WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:10.880 Hello, and welcome to Castle of Horror, the show dedicated 2 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:14.720 to horror movies and awesomeness. We are a feed spot 3 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:18.039 top one hundred horror podcast. That's the thing I haven't 4 00:00:18.079 --> 00:00:22.199 told you. Oh nice, Yes, this week we're not even 5 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:25.399 number one hundred. We're like in there, so okay. This 6 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:28.559 week we have a look at the twenty twenty five 7 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:32.960 film Companion. Not a film companion, the film is called Companion. 8 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:36.640 This is episode four hundred and fifty nine. Bear in 9 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:38.600 mind if you haven't seen today's movie, we're going to 10 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:40.960 be talking about it from the perspective of horror fans 11 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:44.640 who have seen it. So warning spoilers ahead. From Denver, Colorado, 12 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:48.039 I'm your host, Jason Henderson, publisher at castle Bridge Media, 13 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:50.799 home of the Castle of Horror anthology. With me from 14 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.960 Austin is Tony Savaggio, lead singer and bassis of the 15 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.159 band Deserts of Mars and lead guitarist of the band 16 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:59.280 Rise from Fire. So Hello, Tony, Howdy Honey, also in 17 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:02.359 austins Or. Drew Edwards is the writer creator of the 18 00:01:02.439 --> 00:01:05.680 long running underground comic Halloween Man, which you can find 19 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:08.239 at Global Comics. He is a best writer Ringo nominee 20 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:11.079 Austin Chronicle Best of Austin Award winner and a member 21 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:12.680 of the Pen America Fellowship. 22 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:18.719 Say hello, Drew, Well, I'm an emotional support robot that fucks. 23 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:22.480 He Drew always changes his name on our little dial 24 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:25.400 pad thing, and today's fuck bought. 25 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:34.120 A look behind the curtain for wondering. 26 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:36.319 What we're not actually on camera. We just see, We 27 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:40.319 just see, like our little spaces, and we change our name. 28 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:43.560 I am probably a fuck bought tonight, I guess. 29 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:48.519 And finally, also in Denver, color commentary from Julia Guzman, 30 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:52.719 the Busiest Woman in Colorado of Guzman Immigration of Denver. 31 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:55.120 Say hello, that was like an example of my color commentary. 32 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:59.760 Yes that's right, okay look. Companion is a twenty twenty 33 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:03.879 five I Have American science fiction thriller film starring Sophie 34 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:07.480 Thatcher and Jack Quaid as a couple on a weekend 35 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:10.479 getaway with friends at a remote cabin, which unravels into 36 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.520 chaos after a revelation that one of the guests spoiler 37 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:18.199 spoiled by the poster it's her, is a robot. The 38 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:21.080 film is written and directed by Drew Hancock and also 39 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:25.240 stars Lucas Gage, Megan Surrey, Harvin Gihan and Rupert Friend 40 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:29.960 in supporting roles. So this movie came out in January 41 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:33.439 of this year. It got really good reviews. It's grossed 42 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:37.120 thirty six point seven million against and get this a 43 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:41.159 budget of ten million, ten million dollars. That's so low 44 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:43.759 that I can't even believe that that's right. I mean, 45 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:47.439 that's so, I'll, I will, I will double check that's 46 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:49.199 that's what my sources said. And I was like, there's 47 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:51.439 no way that this is a ten million dollar movie. 48 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:55.639 But okay, let's get our opening thoughts. Let's go with Drew. 49 00:02:55.639 --> 00:02:57.000 We haven't started with you in a while, so let's 50 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:00.520 go Drew, Julia, Tony, and then I'll go opening thoughts 51 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:01.479 on Companion. 52 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:08.080 I thought this was great. I think that this is 53 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:13.360 a movie that, you know, could easily just spend pulpy 54 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:18.080 in fun, but did a really good job of speaking 55 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:23.039 to our moment, which is it asks a big question 56 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:28.560 about our relationship, our ever growing relationship with technology and 57 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:31.120 the world around it as we see more and more 58 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:34.680 automation taking up space. But also it has a lot 59 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:42.199 of smart observations about relationships and things of that nature. 60 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:45.319 So you know, it's a really good blending of the 61 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:50.520 technological and you know, the emotional, but also like I 62 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:55.080 see bits of the Stepford Wives in this. I see 63 00:03:55.599 --> 00:04:02.080 bits of you know, Terminator, you know Blade Runner, which 64 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:05.960 you know a lot a lot of Blade Runner. You 65 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:11.840 know this, This was a really good techno horror with 66 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:12.759 heart beautiful. 67 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:15.639 Thank you, Thank you very much, Julia, I mean, did 68 00:04:15.639 --> 00:04:18.000 you dig this? I know that you actually remembered it 69 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:20.199 really well because we don't know when. 70 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:21.800 We first sat in the theater. It is my endorsement 71 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:24.360 for the week. I think, yeah, no, I liked I 72 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:29.480 like it a lot. It is It's really clever. It's 73 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:33.399 not super original because, as Drew pointed out, there's several 74 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:36.839 movies that it's sort of you know, borrowing from or 75 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:40.959 an homage to or whatever. But but it's an original 76 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:45.000 take on the on that whole you know, AI being 77 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:48.240 self aware and how do we treat you know, who, 78 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:51.199 what is it to be a person that kind of 79 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:54.519 like it's you know, initial a question that's been that 80 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:57.360 goes back for one hundred probably one hundred years, but 81 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.680 for for sure, like you know, Star Trek had that 82 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:02.720 question and all all all all kinds of movies. It's like, 83 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:06.759 how what what are we doing when we're taking AI 84 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:10.360 to this extreme? And then at what point do we 85 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:14.399 owe some kind of do does a I have rights? 86 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:18.000 You know, so like her? Or what was the other 87 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:20.439 movie that came out at the same time as Her 88 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:24.720 that was like about an android that had become self aware? Anyway, 89 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:25.399 there's like a. 90 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:30.319 But sure, yeah, I don't remember what, thank you, But. 91 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.399 Well we'll kind of think of those as well. Sorry 92 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:36.160 it wasn't that, but yeah, that's another one. So anyway, 93 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:37.759 there's a bunch of films like that, and I think 94 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:41.800 it's worth a theme that's worth continuing to explore. And 95 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.199 as we the more we do you know, like you know, Tony, 96 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:47.360 you're going to talk about your recent experience with robots 97 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:50.800 and so. But you know, the more we we have 98 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:53.079 AI kind of becoming part of our daily life, the 99 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:55.279 more we need to think about these ethical questions. 100 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:57.160 Very good, Thank you very much, Tony. What are your 101 00:05:57.199 --> 00:05:57.720 opening thoughts? 102 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.519 Yeah, I think it does a really good job. I 103 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:02.079 saw it in the theater first. I think it does 104 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:05.399 a really good job of recontextualizing a lot of these things, 105 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:10.680 you know, from the Matrix from Plade Runner from you know, 106 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:13.560 you name it like it could be a Twilight Zone episode, 107 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:15.879 but it's it's different than that, has a different flavor, 108 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:19.000 a different flavor than perhaps like Black Mirror. I think 109 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:21.759 it it does a really good job of recontextualizing all 110 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:25.160 this for a newer generation. Like everybody who's in it 111 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:28.120 has it certain like there's a the way everybody's stressed 112 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:31.879 that the actors that they chose, I think, are are 113 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:36.120 you know, really modern and I it's it is fascinating 114 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:37.279 to the scene. 115 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:37.560 Yeah. 116 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:40.240 My experience is like as we as we move forward. 117 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:42.120 I just was at a restaurant and there was a 118 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:44.759 little it's basically a tray on wheels that it had 119 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:46.800 a little face. It's like, you know, I got served 120 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:49.560 meat at a Korean barbecue place by a by a 121 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:52.839 meat serving robot. It comes to my table and you 122 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.519 pressed okay, and then it goes away. It goes to 123 00:06:55.560 --> 00:06:57.519 the next you know, goes to pick up its tray. 124 00:06:57.680 --> 00:06:59.480 I don't know all this is. This is kind of funny. 125 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.519 They have those the self driving cars now the way 126 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.519 Moo whatever it's called, and they have a little delivery 127 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:09.480 robots that deliver food around campus at different colleges. 128 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:14.480 And drunes, so they will fly they flynes and then. 129 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:16.759 Of course we've got chat GBC everywhere, so there's all. 130 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.000 Kinds of Yeah, we we had some really not great 131 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:23.079 incidences of self driving cars around here lately in Austin, 132 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:27.319 so that's not great. But yeah, I think it there's 133 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:30.120 a lot to it about how it's It's interesting because 134 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:33.079 it's not just the like the trailers made it out to, like, 135 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:35.399 oh kind of maybe a little bit more horror or 136 00:07:35.399 --> 00:07:39.439 maybe a little bit more hardware, you know, and it's 137 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.639 different than that. It has there's a lot about the relationships. 138 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:46.720 There's a lot about who's you know, who's worse the 139 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:50.839 robot the people, and then how what what they're willing 140 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:54.600 to do do uh that that's worse And I you know, 141 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:57.959 I think it's a really smart movie, and I'm glad 142 00:07:57.959 --> 00:07:59.040 we're discussing it. 143 00:07:59.519 --> 00:07:59.720 You know. 144 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:04.879 Last year s K Dale made a thriller called Subservience 145 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:08.759 with Megan Fox, which was that movie was basically what 146 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:11.160 if you did the hand that rocks the cradle with 147 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:15.480 only you know the the incoming nanny is a robot 148 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:18.639 and is Megan Fox? And and and that you know, 149 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:20.399 And that was a B film. Because it's like kind 150 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:23.199 of hyper violent and like you know, it's it's much more, 151 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:25.680 much more in your face than this. But I love 152 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.680 that there's so many ways to do this story of 153 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:31.920 like problems with the robot and then you can just 154 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:36.919 like with vampires, it it varies in equality and how 155 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.200 how how interesting you can make your metaphor. And here 156 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:43.000 there's a lot going on. So I know the movie 157 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:44.279 is about a lot of stuff, and we're going to 158 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:46.559 talk about all of this, But to me, I am 159 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:49.559 so interested in the last couple of years and reading 160 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:53.320 about the concept of toxic masculinity and and and you 161 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:56.879 know how how terrible we as men can be when 162 00:08:56.879 --> 00:08:59.840 we when we uh, when we sort of follow our 163 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:03.399 lesser angels. And this is a movie kind of about 164 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:05.480 what if that was unleashed. I mean, like, what if 165 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:08.559 you have toxic masculinity and basically nothing holding it back 166 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:12.080 because we've now created slaves that a toxic. 167 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.320 Yeah, he fully talks about how you know it's not 168 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:17.279 he's just such a victim or whatever. 169 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:21.480 So I love that was my favorite thing about this. 170 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:24.200 But I get and I celebrate that there's so much 171 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:27.840 going on here that's just one topic. But but I was. 172 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:30.399 I just loved it. I ate it up because I 173 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:32.840 spend all my time reading Reddit threads on how awful 174 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:36.240 dudes can be and and this, so this is this 175 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:40.679 played right into that. So okay, my first thought was 176 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:42.759 this is this is just a point of order, and 177 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:44.639 then we kind of work our way through it. But 178 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:47.720 if you let's imagine like Tony said about you and 179 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:50.799 I saw Pitch Black. Okay, the movie Pitch Black with 180 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:53.759 Vin Diesel, and we don't know Vin Diesel. We just 181 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:55.399 saw the movie and he was in it. 182 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:58.919 But but it's funny that you say that because you 183 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:01.960 actually did see you and Tony a lot of movies 184 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:04.200 with the actual stars of the movie. 185 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:07.440 Well, Vin Diesel showed up, but he was exactly that's 186 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:10.720 my boy, what I always But we were not with 187 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:12.360 him whatever. 188 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:15.919 Whenever Jason says I just watched whatever with whoever, I'm 189 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:17.480 always like, I didn't know you knew that person. But 190 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:19.759 in this case, you actually did watch a lot of 191 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:21.320 these movies with the That's true. 192 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:23.360 I actually forgot until you said that this moment that 193 00:10:23.440 --> 00:10:24.879 Vind's I mean. 194 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:27.240 He was I I yeah, because I was hanging out 195 00:10:27.399 --> 00:10:28.399 like I watched it. 196 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:29.000 Uh. 197 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:32.120 Oh, actually I think I went to sit with Ernie, 198 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:34.960 but before that I was hanging out with the David. 199 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.279 David was just talking about film, like, yes, we did 200 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:43.639 see it. It was random, like I mean, but anyway, 201 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:45.159 it was you. 202 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:46.720 Saw a bunch of movies with Quentin Tarantino. 203 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:48.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So so look we sit down at 204 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:51.320 the theater. Uh, They're like, hey, a new movie is 205 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:53.480 coming on. We don't know what it is. Like literally, 206 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:55.440 nobody had told us what the movie was. I think 207 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:57.399 they had said, oh, David, dwow, he is up in 208 00:10:57.399 --> 00:10:59.360 the lobby and he wrote it. It's called pitch Black. 209 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:03.279 Nobody knows nothing about it. And it just starts playing, right, 210 00:11:03.799 --> 00:11:06.720 and it starts and we were just you know, we 211 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.279 were knocked back, like it knocked our socks off if 212 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:12.200 it but if you And so that was an experience 213 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.799 of watching a movie and literally having zero, no context, nothing. 214 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.559 You just let's you know, let's go down. Movie comes 215 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:21.039 up and here you are. If you watched this movie 216 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:23.879 and you had not seen a trailer or the poster, 217 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:27.879 the poster, would you know that that our main character 218 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:30.919 is a robot until like the twenty minute mark when 219 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:32.720 she finally gets turned off. 220 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.960 You get clues. You get clues, but you don't get 221 00:11:36.080 --> 00:11:40.679 the actual giveaway until her eyes go white. But you 222 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:41.639 got lots of clues. 223 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:46.159 The trailer, the original first trailer I remember when I 224 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:51.360 saw it, made it look more like well, or like 225 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:55.200 they were a pair of cereal like her and like 226 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:57.799 a pair of serial killers that were feuding with each 227 00:11:57.799 --> 00:11:58.679 other somehow. 228 00:11:58.759 --> 00:12:01.559 No, I didn't get that because I remember the trailer, 229 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:04.320 the very short the teaser. I remember that you find 230 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:06.279 that they have that music and then I can't remember 231 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:08.480 what song was, but then she's chained to the floor 232 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:10.360 or something like that, or and I was like, what, 233 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:11.720 I don't remember that. 234 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:14.799 I just remember thinking that it was going to be 235 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:19.840 more like a slasher type Yeah, but like to that 236 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:23.919 point though nothing about it said this is a movie 237 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.720 about a renegade robot, which is fascinating. 238 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.639 So would that be better? I guess what I'm asking is, like, 239 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:34.320 do we do ourselves a disservice. 240 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:37.360 When when by the time I saw it, I knew 241 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:40.279 that it was about a robot, and I don't think 242 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.600 it hampered my enjoyment. But I'm also somebody I don't 243 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:48.279 care about spoilers or because I'm more about the journey, 244 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:51.960 not the destination, Like I don't, I don't care like 245 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.600 the ending, like very seldomly does a movie. A movie's 246 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:58.559 ending has to be really disappointing to me for me 247 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.120 to hate an entire movie based off I could do 248 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:04.639 or or like the twists and turns of a movie 249 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:08.159 because like, let's let's face it, like like The Sixth 250 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:11.559 Sense is a really good movie with a really good twist, 251 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:15.039 but nobody's rewatching that movie because of the twist. Like 252 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.480 people rewatch it because like because after you've seen it once, 253 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:21.000 you know Bruce Willis as a ghost, but you watch 254 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:27.080 it over again because it's an interesting movie. It's a 255 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:31.840 good movie. But that's again that could also be specific 256 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:34.159 to I guess. The point I'm saying is, I guess 257 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:36.320 it depends on what kind of person you are, which 258 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:40.000 I guess is a cop out answer, but it's it's 259 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:42.320 the answer that's truest to myself. 260 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:44.320 I did find the teaser, by the way, it was 261 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:46.399 I Only Have Eyes for You with the song, and 262 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:48.759 she's not she's just changed in the chair, not the floor. 263 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:49.960 But yeah, so it. 264 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:53.559 Looks like a survival picture, like like you know, like it's. 265 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:56.080 Playing it's playing. It's singing that music you know I 266 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:00.120 only have, and you've got Patrick serving the dinner and 267 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.720 they're sitting at the table and then you suddenly see 268 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:04.879 her hand and she's like, you know, handcuffed to the. 269 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:08.000 And to be honest with that trailer, I actually thought 270 00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:10.320 it was just yet another And We've had a bunch 271 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:12.320 of movies in the past couple of years, and I've 272 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:15.799 enjoyed them all where somebody winds up at a beautiful 273 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:19.559 isolated house and you know, bad stuff starts to grow 274 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:24.000 down exactly, usually involving a culinary experience of some kind, 275 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:28.919 and so but anyway, I just thought that was interesting 276 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:31.799 that you go in knowing the twist that's coming, like 277 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:34.279 twenty minutes into the movie. But it's okay because it's 278 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:37.440 all interesting while you're while you're watching it. 279 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:40.039 And I'm sure some people didn't see any trailers and 280 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:42.080 did were completely surprised. 281 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:45.799 Yeah, I'm sure. And it also, at your Drew's point, 282 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.159 is great that sometimes you know, you know that a 283 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:51.240 twist is coming and you still just enjoy how it's delivered. 284 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:53.320 And it really is. Because I loved this the second 285 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:53.840 time around. 286 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:56.639 My favorite line in this movie, and I know, it's 287 00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.679 like skipping way to the no. No, it's kind But 288 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:02.799 my favorite line this movie is when the two guys 289 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:05.879 pick her up to fix her, you know, after she's 290 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:10.600 the two robot the company guy like the empathics or 291 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:14.879 whatever it's called, and the guys like, I can't remember 292 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:17.600 what the what the naive one asked the other guys like, oh, no, 293 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:19.639 she's totally moded out. No, he told you did this 294 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:24.320 so funny. He's like, no, people are fucked, people are crazy. 295 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:28.480 It's so funny that this that raises the question, And 296 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:30.320 I think that's sort of one of the one of 297 00:15:30.399 --> 00:15:33.600 the first things I'd like to talk about. And maybe 298 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.320 I'm just tossing away going through the plot, but uh, 299 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.120 this movie kind of raises the question of is it 300 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:42.240 possible to have and it has an This movie suggests 301 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:44.559 the answer might be yes. But is it possible to 302 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:49.519 have a non abusive, a non toxic relationship with a 303 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:53.440 partner that you own? I mean, you know, a non 304 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:57.279 abusive companion robot relationship? Like is there any good future 305 00:15:57.360 --> 00:15:59.120 in this because this is going to happen. 306 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:01.519 By the way, you mean by abusive, because just in 307 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:04.879 the fact that you said that you own means already no. 308 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:09.080 But if you said, if you have a companion bot 309 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.600 that lives with you, then yeah, I mean it could 310 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:14.559 be as long as because as long as that the 311 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:19.120 bot has the ability to you know, be the consent 312 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:21.559 to some extent, then you can have a relationship just 313 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:23.879 like anybody else. But the thing is, I don't know 314 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:24.759 what that looks like. 315 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:28.799 That's not where I was going. But you just raised 316 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:32.480 a really interesting thought because what you're suggesting is that 317 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:35.200 you could pay twenty five thousand dollars for a bot, 318 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:37.679 but it's only ethical if you also give the bot 319 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:39.480 it's freedom. 320 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:44.519 The thing is about the way the robots are presented 321 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:49.080 in this film. This is going to be a weird parallel, 322 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:49.919 but stay with me. 323 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:50.799 I'm with you. 324 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:55.759 They are almost like the zombies in the George Romero 325 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:01.000 Dead films because they start out one way, which is complacent. 326 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:05.160 They're completely devoted to their programming. But like like what 327 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:07.480 we see with bub in Day of the Dead or 328 00:17:07.519 --> 00:17:10.559 Big Daddy in Land of the Dead, like these robots 329 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:15.319 are starting to develop the capacity for change, like Irish 330 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:19.720 changed and Patrick Patrick changes. 331 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:28.799 Sorry, juh so, Patrick changed, and I found Patrick to 332 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:34.640 be a deeply sad character like like, so like the 333 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.640 robots that are as as they are presented in this movie, 334 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:38.640 there is no. 335 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:42.920 Way to have a relationship that is ethnic because they're 336 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.400 not just a piece of machinery, like they have the 337 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:49.200 capacity to develop actual feelings and that right. 338 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.160 But the big change doesn't happen until they're moded, like 339 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:55.319 and that's well, that's true. That's also part of it. 340 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.240 Like the major changes happen when they're when they're modded. 341 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:05.279 Patrick. Remember, Patrick says that he's already aware of more 342 00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:06.240 than he was programmed. 343 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:10.400 Yeah, he figured out a robot years ago. Sure, and 344 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:15.039 he seems actually, yeah, his changes happened completely without being 345 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:17.920 modeled because he has he's. 346 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.200 I mean about the consent, Like he knows is a robot, 347 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:21.359 but he actually loves Eli. 348 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:25.039 He actually loves Eli. And when he realizes at the 349 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:29.480 end that he can't actually be with Eli, he chooses 350 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:34.119 to end his assistance. And you know, so that's an 351 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:39.480 act of free will. You know, these robots as presented, 352 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:42.200 they're more than a laptop. They're more than a self 353 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:46.640 driving car. Although Iris's relationship with with the self driving 354 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:49.839 car and the fact that she ends the movie with 355 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:53.319 an analog car is very interesting to me. 356 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:54.960 I didn't think about that, that's true. 357 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:59.759 Yeah, you know, there's a lot of there's a lot 358 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:06.000 of questions about basic libertarian values, like like liberty and 359 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:10.480 self value. And you know, this is you know, the 360 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:14.680 thing is is this movie, even though it is influenced 361 00:19:14.759 --> 00:19:20.440 by the Stepford Stepford Wives, probably most readily, it's asking 362 00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:24.119 a lot more questions than just questions of gender politics, 363 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:27.119 although those are also there, like this is this is, 364 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:30.519 this is asking you know, questions we didn't actually have 365 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:33.799 the ability to ask back in the sixties and seventies 366 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:39.480 because AI was more of a fantastical notion. Now we're 367 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:42.839 we're you know, this might be a world that we 368 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:44.640 live in decades down thead. 369 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:47.759 It's funny you would mentioned Stepford wise because you're right 370 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:52.839 in that one, Uh, she Kevin Ross doesn't we're following her, 371 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:55.799 and she doesn't want to be replaced by a soulless robot. 372 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.839 And there's every notion that those replacements are indeed soulless, 373 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.559 just they really are just sexbots with no free will 374 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:06.799 at all. And this one, we're following a bot from 375 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:09.880 the beginning, and you know, and and so it would 376 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:13.839 be like if if the if the Tina Louise android, 377 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:17.119 and you know, it turned out that maybe she wants 378 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:19.680 to play tennis some more like maybe she doesn't want 379 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:22.160 her tennis court to be torn up by by her husband. 380 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:25.440 And and like the movie, I guess you're right. You know, 381 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:27.319 Stephan Wise didn't even think to go there. 382 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:32.519 The other the other interesting thing about this movie that 383 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:37.079 that seems to be a fundamental flaw in the way 384 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:40.039 these robots. If we're going to take the path of 385 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:43.319 what these robots are supposed to be. You know, I'm 386 00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:48.400 playing Devil's advocate here. They designed robots that, first of all, 387 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:52.000 aren't aware that they're robots. Yeah, and be they can 388 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.200 be neurotic, because Iris is a very iron you know, 389 00:20:56.359 --> 00:21:01.680 neurotic young lady. And you know that seems to mean 390 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:05.759 to be you know, why would you design a sex 391 00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:08.319 spot that could be neurotic about being Well, I. 392 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:10.079 Hate to say it, but I think that it's supposed 393 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:13.880 to be that that neurosis her vulnerability and her childish 394 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:17.640 not childishness, but but that's sort of like subservience and 395 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:20.359 worriedness and blah blah blah. I think it gives Jack 396 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:22.400 Quaid a chance to feel like a big man. 397 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:28.799 Like that is that's his his manic pixie neurosis girl 398 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:32.720 is what he wants because he's terrible. He's terrible, yeah, 399 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:34.920 I mean he goes so far as his name tell 400 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:38.160 us about what an awful Yeah, he's His nickname for 401 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:43.400