WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:05.759 It's night Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's news Radio. 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.480 Thirty one degrees here in the Greater Boston area. My 3 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:13.679 name is Morgan White Junior. This is night Side Dan Ray. 4 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:16.920 You should know by now who's been on vacation. And 5 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:24.760 we'll be back Wednesday, the first of January twenty twenty five. 6 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:29.800 I first interviewed this woman about three or four years ago, 7 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:34.159 maybe more, and she had written a book about candlepin bowling. 8 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:46.000 She knew all the names Rosariolikiaraa Stasia, and Ed Zernike, 9 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:54.039 all of the major names of watching Saturday Morning Candlepin 10 00:00:54.079 --> 00:00:58.960 Bowling on Channel five. And she wrote another book, a 11 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:03.039 book based on all all the places to stop on 12 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:07.920 Route one North, whether he wanted something to eat or 13 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:15.319 for recreational purposes, the big orange dinosaur at the golf course, 14 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:21.120 miniature golf course. And now she's got another book, a 15 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:25.280 book about candy that's specific to New England. There's a 16 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:31.719 lot of candy out there that our general area has produced, 17 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:41.319 and it's been consumed by Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Maine, Vermont, 18 00:01:41.519 --> 00:01:45.280 New Hampshire, and Susan knows about it all. Susan Brakeman 19 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:47.239 welcome to Night's Side. 20 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:50.480 Well, thank you, Morgan. It's a pleasure to be back, 21 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:51.560 all right. 22 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:54.719 And one of these days we're gonna go candlepin bowling 23 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:56.359 and I'm gonna whoop up on you. 24 00:01:58.480 --> 00:01:59.120 Fine by me. 25 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:03.239 I'm going to show you no mercy. 26 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:06.680 Okay, no problem, I'll be ready. 27 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:09.159 If you wind up beating me, I'm going to say, well, 28 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:12.879 I'm seventy one years old. What do you expect you're 29 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:14.319 near half my age? 30 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:19.400 Well, something like that, something like that, something like that. 31 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:21.639 Let's talk about the Candy book. 32 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:25.159 Yeah, so you know it's actually it's called New England 33 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:28.479 Sweets and it's not just about candy, although candy's a 34 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.919 big chunk of it. It's New England Sweets and the 35 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:36.960 subtitle is what is it? Donuts, Bonbonds and Whoopee Pies. 36 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:42.439 So it's really all sorts of sweet baked things, frozen 37 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:46.560 things and candies from New England, but a big chunk 38 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:51.000 of it is candy. We talked about Necho your favorite, 39 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:52.199 the wal Eco Bar. 40 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:52.960 And. 41 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:57.759 Yeah, I'm and Joy Peter Paul almenjoy In Mounds were 42 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:02.520 made in Naugatuck, Connecticut for for years, so all sorts 43 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:03.919 of candies came from New England. 44 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:06.400 What inspired you to write this book? 45 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:13.400 Uh, you know, I had just finished my book, A 46 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:20.400 Long Route One, and I was kind of interested in 47 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:25.360 writing a book about whoopee pies. That was my original idea. 48 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:27.800 I was in Maine. I was spending a lot of 49 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.080 time in Maine, and you know Mainlay's claim to whoopee pies, 50 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:36.120 it's the official state treat And I thought that would 51 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:39.319 be a great book. It has a great story. There's 52 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:43.840 there's controversy, there's you know, three states claim ownership with 53 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:47.240 the whoopee pie. There are two competing actually three competing 54 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:50.159 whoopie pie festivals. So I thought it would be a 55 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:55.319 fun book and I pitched that to my publisher, Arcadia Publishing, 56 00:03:56.360 --> 00:04:02.439 and they kind of gently suggested I broaden my scope. 57 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:07.280 I had to look at New England suites and I did, 58 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:08.400 and I'm glad I did. 59 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:12.800 Their name came up in my interview with Anthony San 60 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.280 Marco a couple of days ago. Arcadia Press. 61 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:18.600 Yeah, it was a lot of books for years. Yeah. 62 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:25.279 Yeah. So now that you've got a triple crown of 63 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:29.639 books out there, what's next, Well, you know. 64 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:32.759 Let's finish this one. I just turned in the manuscript 65 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:38.959 three days ago, so it's not out yet. You know, 66 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:42.199 it's going to go through the editorial process and the 67 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:45.879 design process and the publishing process, and it'll come out 68 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:52.920 in July, July twenty twenty five, and then I'm not sure. 69 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:56.199 I think there's a lot of candy stories that still 70 00:04:56.279 --> 00:05:00.319 need to be told. In Boston, Boston and Cambridge used 71 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:05.399 to be the candy manufacturing center of the country. There 72 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:08.680 were just dozens and dozens and dozens of candy companies, 73 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:11.399 and some of them are just, you know, gone, nobody 74 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:14.240 even knows who they were. But others were big deals 75 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:18.720 and they were like major. There was obviously Necho, Yeah, 76 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:22.040 there was. There was Daggett's, which was there for quite 77 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:26.279 a long time. Duran Confectionery was there for quite a 78 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:29.600 long time. James O. Welch Company was there. They made 79 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:34.639 Junior Mint. And there's just a lot of stories out 80 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.439 there that I think I didn't have enough room in 81 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.199 this book to tell. So who knows, maybe that'll be 82 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:40.800 my next one. 83 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:43.879 All Right, you're in the fifth grade, You're a little 84 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:47.000 girl in the fifth grade. You had a whole quarter 85 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:53.160 in your pocket, and in those days, a lot Yeah, 86 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:56.199 a couple of candy bars and a bag of chips. 87 00:05:56.839 --> 00:05:59.959 What was your first choice growing up? 88 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:07.720 My first choice was always Eminem's with peanuts, ah, in 89 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:08.360 that kind of. 90 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:13.920 Maroon bag, not the dark chocolate bag, because I. 91 00:06:13.959 --> 00:06:15.439 Feel it was a yellow I feel it was. 92 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:19.519 A yellow, yellowish maroon. You know, it wasn't a dark 93 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:20.319 chocolate bag. 94 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:25.839 Yeah, that's my that's my point. Okay, that's the point. 95 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:31.000 And how do you feel about the way eminem has 96 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:35.279 just revamped their advertising in the past ten years and 97 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:39.639 the red Eminem is a smart alec and the green 98 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:42.959 Eminem is kind of a vamp. How do you feel 99 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:43.279 about that? 100 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:44.560 Eh? 101 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:51.959 Eh, Okay, I'm not their target audience anymore. I'll just 102 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:52.279 say that. 103 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:54.600 Yeah, but I bet you still buy. 104 00:06:54.480 --> 00:07:00.480 Them sometimes sometimes, but you know, I'm trying to buy 105 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:05.439 candies that have a New England connection now and Eminems. 106 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:07.959 You do not. And you know why M and M's 107 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:08.720 was invented. 108 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:13.720 It was invented for soldiers, right because it didn't melt 109 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:15.160 and World War. 110 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:19.079 One, so a soldier could eat candy chocolate, which is 111 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:24.360 an energy source, and it wouldn't melt in their hands 112 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:29.040 and you're handling a rifle after chocolate toll over your hand, 113 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.199 and they didn't want that, the US Army. 114 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:35.439 Yeah, yeah, that's very interesting. 115 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:39.040 That's why they were invented. I know. 116 00:07:39.199 --> 00:07:42.079 It's so interesting and a lot of there's a lot 117 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:46.800 of connection between candy and especially chocolate and the army 118 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:50.839 because they did want you know, they wanted to give 119 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:54.560 chocolates to soldiers for energy, for the calories, the energy 120 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:58.519 and the caffeine. I think so at the beginning of 121 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:03.920 World War One, I think it was the army solicited 122 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:09.480 all the chocolate manufacturers to contribute like these big blocks 123 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:12.920 of chocolate and then the army would slice them down 124 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:15.360 into like chocolate bars and wrap them up and give 125 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:18.120 them out to the troops. And then the troops came 126 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:21.800 back and you know, they had a hankering for chocolate bars. 127 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:24.959 All of a sudden, there you go, chocolate bar. Chocolate 128 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:26.879 bar industry exploded in the twenties. 129 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:30.959 All right, I've got a news hit. But when we 130 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.720 come back, I want you to put the spotlight as 131 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:37.840 we both have mentioned my personal favorite candy. 132 00:08:37.559 --> 00:08:43.600 Bar, Walleco, Walleco and other company that. 133 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:47.000 Put it out and the history and why we don't 134 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:51.559 have Walco anymore. So you promised to do. 135 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:54.600 That for me. I do good. 136 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:57.360 Susan pregnant, We'll be back. You want to call in 137 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:01.600 and talk to her six seven, five, four ten thirty 138 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:05.360 eight eight eight nine to nine, ten thirty. This is 139 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.279 night Side. Dan is off until the new year. I'm Morgan. 140 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:16.159 Time and temperature here eleven fourteen thirty one degrees. 141 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:20.440 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World 142 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:22.080 Nightside Studios. 143 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:27.440 On WBZ News Radio. Susan Bragman is my guest, and 144 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.519 she's written a number of books. By the way, are 145 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:32.039 all of them from Arcadia? 146 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.279 Yes, and there's actually New England Sweets is my fourth book. 147 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.240 My first one was called New England Neon, which I 148 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:41.360 think you and I have never. 149 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:46.799 Talked about, but we've we've mentioned it, although I've never yes. 150 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:51.720 Yes, done and officially yeah, so yes, they're all for 151 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:55.639 Arcadia and New England Neon came out in twenty eighteen, 152 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:58.720 so they've all been in the past, you know a 153 00:09:58.799 --> 00:09:59.320 few years. 154 00:10:00.279 --> 00:10:02.919 Have these books put you in a different tax bracket? 155 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:03.200 Yet? 156 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:09.200 No, not yet. 157 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:10.039 I'm still waiting. 158 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:13.879 Well, everybody go out and buy them. If you hear 159 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:17.679 my voice and you hear Susan with me, go buy 160 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:18.279 her books. 161 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:22.320 They're great. They're great books, they're interesting, they have a 162 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:27.440 lot of information, good photographs, and they're a lot of fun. 163 00:10:28.919 --> 00:10:34.799 Let me take a call from Woburn and Gary, welcome 164 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:42.279 And what am I going to say to you? Gary? Well, 165 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:44.360 I am going to say that, But what else am 166 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:45.159 I going to say? 167 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:51.120 Hi? Let me continue? That's your puzzle to night. 168 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:58.480 Yes, all right, Gary, turn out. This is your last 169 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:02.200 call of the week because you've this is your third 170 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:06.120 call in four days, and you know you're not supposed 171 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:09.159 to call more than once or twice a week, and 172 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:14.519 this is your third call. So until the new year, 173 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:19.559 no more calls for you. But you're here now, doctor Susan. 174 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:23.759 All right, Susan, get your favorite candy bars at sixty 175 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:25.639 one years of age? Or was way back when when 176 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:27.679 I was a kid? Was the marathon? 177 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:33.919 The marathon? So that's not a new not a new 178 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:34.399 England one? 179 00:11:34.519 --> 00:11:34.679 Is it? 180 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:35.320 Not? 181 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:35.960 In my book? 182 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:36.879 No? 183 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:40.200 Okay, I'm sorry, I did even know that. 184 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.200 It's all right, I can't. 185 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:46.120 Think of all new England candy bars. 186 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:47.080 But I do have a question. 187 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:49.759 What you guys are talking about war and so forth, 188 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:53.000 of World War two and so forth. My question is 189 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:57.080 this is did the companies charge the United States government 190 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:59.240 to give the chocolate to the soldiers? 191 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:11.159 I'm not sure, I know, I think okay, you I 192 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:15.159 know if you don't of the United States government paid 193 00:12:16.440 --> 00:12:17.159 the companies. 194 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:22.559 It's like the United States government paid the cigarette companies 195 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:25.320 to give cigarettes for the soldiers. 196 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:31.279 Do they recoisition the chocolate? So they yes, yes, so 197 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:33.840 they purchased it. Yes, Okay. 198 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:34.799 Here's my last one? 199 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:35.279 Is this? 200 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:37.879 Uh I'm not even sure if it's noise one, but 201 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:40.559 here it goes. We've heard of Russell Stova chocolates. 202 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:45.039 Mm hmm, that's yeah, that's it. 203 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:49.960 Go ahead, Well, russell Stova is usually a holiday chocolate 204 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:53.240 all through the years. And let's face the facts. I mean, 205 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:56.080 you never really see it all year long. Where is 206 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:57.480 russell Stova located? 207 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:00.159 Oh? 208 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:04.679 Not here. I'm not sure where Russell Stover is. I 209 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:07.600 know there were a whole bunch. There was Whitman's, there 210 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.960 was Russell Stover, there was Shrafts. Shrafts was here. Of course. 211 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:16.759 It was Cupboard, Oh yeah, candy cupboard and that was 212 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:21.960 that ultimately became a neco brand that was originally Level 213 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:28.000 and coverle who rhymed and they were they were a 214 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:32.799 Cambridge They were a Cambridge company and they made candy cupboard, 215 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:40.080 and Necho eventually ended up with candy cupboard. They acquired 216 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:45.399 Level and Cover in nineteen thirty three and ended up 217 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:50.919 making them a subsidiary and manufacturing the candy cupboards. Russell 218 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:54.720 Stover is they're in Kansas City. 219 00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:00.240 Okay, very good. My last common says when the Christmas time, 220 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:02.759 you know, when they mocked on the candy down to 221 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:07.720 twenty five I have fifty and seventy five percent off. Yeah, okay, 222 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:13.320 true story. CBS Pharmacy where I live, back about four 223 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.759 years ago, it was down to seventy five percent off. 224 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:19.320 It was about thirty seven cents each. And I went 225 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:23.279 in there like a crazy weirdo, and I bought one 226 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:27.480 hundred and fifty individual Russell Stover candy bars that are 227 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:30.000 pretty huge at thirty seven cents because they usually cost 228 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:33.960 them about a buck fifty or more. Yeah, And what happened. 229 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:36.120 I just passed them out to all friends this that 230 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:38.480 for like a few weeks this that, and everybody was like, 231 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:41.120 are you kidding me? Because when you pass out of 232 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:44.480 Russell Stover candy a chocolate to someone, you made their day. 233 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:47.320 What a nice sky you were. 234 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:50.759 Yeah, I am and they can be looking. That sound great? 235 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:54.480 Thank you, Gary. You take care of happy holiday sper 236 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:59.279 Merry Christmas into Happy New Year. Anyone else wants to do? 237 00:14:59.360 --> 00:14:59.879 What? Gary? Did? 238 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:03.039 Your phone number six one, seven, two, five four ten 239 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:07.159 thirty or eight eight, eight, nine two nine ten thirty. 240 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:13.440 I've got Susan Brakman here. And do you want to 241 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:17.960 talk about your previous books as well as the Candy 242 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.480 book or your next book? Where do I Where do 243 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:23.799 I direct the conversation? 244 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:26.559 Let's talk about wal Eco bars. 245 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:34.639 Yes, Gary distracted because. 246 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:35.679 They will be in New England suites, so they will 247 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:40.120 be in the forthcoming book. So there was a company 248 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:45.120 in Brockton called the FB Washburn Company and they started 249 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:51.120 in eighteen fifty six. Francis Washburn named it after himself, 250 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:54.519 of course, and it started as yeah, well they all 251 00:15:54.600 --> 00:15:58.200 did at that time. And he opened a bakery. It 252 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:02.000 was originally a bakery in Brockton, but their most popular 253 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:05.840 item was a coconut cookie, so he tried to figure 254 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:09.399 out a way to turn it into a candy. And 255 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:14.519 the timing is a little fuzzy, but at one point 256 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.200 he wanted to do that and then in nineteen thirty three, 257 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:24.480 a man named Harry Gilson bought Washburns and he moved 258 00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:28.960 to Brockton from Brooklyn and came here. He had no 259 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:33.919 particular background in either the bakery industry or the candy 260 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:39.360 making industry, but he bought Washburns and started making candy. 261 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:43.039 And one of the candies he made was the Waal 262 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:49.720 Eco bar, and he did that sometime in Nobody seems 263 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:52.000 to have an exact date, but it seems to have 264 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.840 been in the late nineteen thirties. And while eco bars 265 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:58.639 are chocolate covered coconut bars. 266 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:04.559 Why did he stop? And then why did they stop? 267 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:15.160 The company stopped again, no official explanation except it seems 268 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:19.519 they stopped in the eighties and they wanted to focus 269 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:25.880 on their hard candies. They had just purchased seventy seventies candy, 270 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:32.359 which made ribbon candy, right, and they wanted to focus 271 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:37.640 on their ribbon candy. And they were also making Dad's 272 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:42.279 root beer barrels, They made sower bawls, they made lollipops, 273 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.480 and they made lollipops like for bank lobbies and stuff 274 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.720 like TD Bank where you can get a lollipops. So 275 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:51.960 that was a big big, big part of their company, 276 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:56.960 and for whatever reason, they decided to stop making chocolate 277 00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:58.799 bars and focus on the hard candy. 278 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:04.880 There's a candy bar route there from England called Bounty 279 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:10.640 and now it's the closest in taste to the Walleco bar. 280 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:17.920 Almond Joy or Mounds does not even in my taste 281 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:24.079 buds make me reminisce about Walleco, but the Bounty bar does. Now, 282 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:27.640 I know you're focusing on candy made in New England. 283 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:30.160 Do you know anything about the Bounty bar. 284 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:34.160 I know it's not sold in the US, right, It's 285 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:38.920 sold in England and maybe Canada, but I think England 286 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:40.400 and there are a. 287 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:42.519 Few stores around here that sell it. 288 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:48.799 Yeah, yeah, but it's it's not I think it was 289 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.359 designed to be an imitation of the Mounds bar, and 290 00:18:53.720 --> 00:19:00.519 yeah sound Mounts. Mounts used dark chocolate, almon Joy uses 291 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:02.000 milk chocolate. 292 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:05.519 And almond Joy has the nuts obviously has. 293 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:10.640 The almond Yeah, right, and does not right, because sometimes 294 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:14.359 you feel like a nut, heytimes you don't. 295 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:20.759 Hey, that phrase, that phrase might catch on. Maybe we'll 296 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:23.920 make money on your ability to make magic phrases. 297 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:30.319 Yeah, if only I know, I know. So that's the 298 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:33.039 third well ego, But can I tell you there's a 299 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:41.160 funny PostScript. Yes, they had in the nineteen sixties when 300 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:46.480 they were still making the bars, they I think they 301 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:49.440 tried to get sort of hip and groovy and they 302 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.559 had a competition with local bands to write a radio 303 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:57.039 jingle and the winning group was called a Flat Earth 304 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:03.039 Society and they were a akadelic band from Lynn, Okay, 305 00:20:03.960 --> 00:20:07.240 and they won the contest. But they were like so 306 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:11.640 unprepared that they didn't have enough songs to fill an album, 307 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:14.880 so they had to write them on the spot and 308 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:19.519 then it just kind of they landed in obscurity. Nobody 309 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:21.319 bought the album, so. 310 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:24.880 That was the end of that. So what are the 311 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:29.359 odds of somebody buying out the company. I know the 312 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:32.799 company is defunct, but well, enough money they can be 313 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:37.119 brought back and maybe they will go back to making 314 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:41.200 ribbon candy and the wal Eco bar am I Wison 315 00:20:41.960 --> 00:20:43.160 past the graveyard here. 316 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:49.519 Well, you know, they sold they sold the ribbon candy 317 00:20:49.640 --> 00:20:54.720 line to a company in Henderson, Nevada, Nevada. 318 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:57.000 A time. 319 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:06.079 Yeah, and they sold the other hard candies to a 320 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:10.839 different company. So they sold off all their active candy, 321 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:17.799 you know, active candy lines, so Washburn's is no more. 322 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:23.279 I don't know who has the recipe for well Eco bars. 323 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:27.599 There are still there are still descendants of Harry Gilson 324 00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:31.720 who are around, but I don't know that they have 325 00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:32.559 the recipe. 326 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:40.079 Okay. Now you mentioned four books, all by Arcadia Press. 327 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.359 Tell my audience the exact title of all four books. 328 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:49.759 Okay. So my first book was called New England Neon, 329 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:54.359 and that came out in twenty eighteen, and that looked 330 00:21:54.519 --> 00:22:00.359 at Neon signs, as the title says, in all six 331 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:04.920 New England states. It looked at you know, existing signs 332 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:07.920 like the Sitco sign, or the Shell sign or Memorial Drive, 333 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:12.880 the Hilltop Steakhouse sign when it was still a Neon 334 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:16.720 sign that said Hilltop Steakhouse. And then you know some 335 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:20.039 historic signs that have been gone forever, like the White 336 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:23.720 Fuel Company sign that used to be in Kenmore Kenmore Square. 337 00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:29.759 My second book was called New England Candleton Bowling, and 338 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:32.400 that came out in twenty twenty, in the middle of 339 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:36.720 the pandemic, and that was kind of a historical look 340 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:39.240 at Candleton Bowling. Also looked at some of the people, 341 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:47.960 like you said before, Stasia Zernike Tommy Olsta and that 342 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:52.119 that one kind of somehow ended up leading me into 343 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:56.240 my next book, which was called A Long Route one Maine, 344 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:00.319 New Hampshire and Massachusetts. And in that book, I looked 345 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:08.039 at landmarks, historical sites, you know, popular cultural sites like 346 00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:14.160 the one orange dinosaur uh from Fort from Fort Kent, 347 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:19.720 Maine down to Attleborough, Massachusetts. And that's more of a 348 00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:23.559 historical book. That that drew a lot of a lot 349 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:28.240 of information from historical societies and libraries and universities and archives. 350 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:34.279 And then we come to New England Suites, which comes 351 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:35.039 out next summer. 352 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:40.680 And I want people to purchase these books because I 353 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:48.160 want Susan to become independently wealthy and to absolutely I'm 354 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:50.039 going to take a break here if you want to 355 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:53.960 call and speak to Susan, maybe mention your favorite favorite 356 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:58.079 candy product and find out who made it and when 357 00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:02.480 and all those things. Six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, 358 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:06.440 thirty eight eight, eight, nine, two, nine, ten thirty Here 359 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:10.799 on night side, where the temperature is thirty one degrees 360 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:12.640 at eleven thirty one. 361 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:20.640 Night Side Thought with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 362 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:25.359 So some pregnant is here. We're talking candy and the 363 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:29.480 origin of maybe some of your favorite candies, and we 364 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:31.759 talked about Necho New England. 365 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:36.279 Confection Company Sectionary Company CCO. 366 00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:39.400 Thank you for making me say it the right way. 367 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:43.200 They had. 368 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:47.880 I don't know how to put this a little brew 369 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:52.279 haha over the candy hearts that we've all eaten when 370 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:58.279 we were kids and grown up with and the skull 371 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:07.440 butt had that circumstance caused them moving from Cambridge to Revere. Now, 372 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:10.079 I don't know if that's true or not, but why 373 00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:11.920 don't you tell that story to people. 374 00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:13.920 I know? 375 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:17.720 I know about the move from Cambridge to Revere. I'm 376 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:22.240 not sure what bruhaha you're talking about. As far as 377 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:27.079 I knew, they moved because they wanted to consolidate their 378 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:31.519 real estate holdings and they could get a fortune for 379 00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:34.759 selling their property in Cambridge. They sold it for like 380 00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:39.920 seventy seven million dollars to Novartis and they moved to 381 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:44.079 Revere in I forget what year it was, two thousand 382 00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:46.680 and four, two thousand and eight, somewhere like that. 383 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:50.519 That little walk of land costs how much. 384 00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:59.880 The Neco factory sold first, I believe seventy seven million 385 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.960 dollars but now I'm going to have to check with 386 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:03.839 the Nicco. 387 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.799 Factory had that water tower with the word Nicko on 388 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:07.799 the side. 389 00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:10.119 I know, and it used to be striped. 390 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:11.240 Yeah. 391 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:13.160 They sold it in two thousand and four for seventy 392 00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:17.960 seven million and they painted the water tower. It was 393 00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:20.839 a big building, I know, it was a big. 394 00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:27.079 Building youried with regularity. I mean that was the main way. 395 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:28.559 It's still a big building. 396 00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.640 That was the main way to get into Cambridge Bank 397 00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:33.480 going over the mass at. 398 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:34.799 Bridge mm hmmm. 399 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:35.319 Yeah. 400 00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:37.279 It was right there on mass Aft by Main Street. 401 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.400