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<v Speaker 1>Justin Worship is with us, host of the Dad Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We like talking parenting things.

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<v Speaker 3>The idea of naming your kid is obviously probably step

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<v Speaker 3>two or three of being a parent, right in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of the responsibility.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that sequence. I'm afraid to ask. What wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to Number one? Is you gotta make it? There you go?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Gary? Or buy it? I mean, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how people get their kids the good. Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>But step two or three is gonna be okay, So

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<v Speaker 3>what are we gonna call this thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh And there's a lot you're setting up your kid

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<v Speaker 1>for financial failure if if you don't pick these top

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<v Speaker 1>five names.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yeah, if you if you named your kid uh Anna, Maria, Laura,

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<v Speaker 2>Helen or Sarah, you did good for them. They're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do female, Yeah, they're gonna do. They're gonna be great financially.

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<v Speaker 2>For the guys, it's Andrew, Sam, Alex, Christopher, and Darren.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for you.

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<v Speaker 1>But my husband, I mean, I'm sorry, my brother. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a weird slip. My brother's name is Andrew.

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<v Speaker 4>Right at the time top of.

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<v Speaker 2>The list, zoom number one, Well, guess what borrow some

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<v Speaker 2>money from bro? He's loaded and then if you're doing poorly.

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<v Speaker 2>Karen's taken a lot of hits in these last few years.

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<v Speaker 2>She tops the list of struggling financially, probably because she's

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<v Speaker 2>calling the cops on people that now deserve to be

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<v Speaker 2>She's getting a lot of lawsuits, so's she's gonna exactly Claire, Lisa,

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer and Rachel, And then for guys Allie and Rob, Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris and Dominic, which is interesting because if you shorten

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<v Speaker 2>it from Christopher, not so good financially, but if you

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<v Speaker 2>got the full toe for going on you were, you're

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<v Speaker 2>thriving as a guy. That's just the.

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<v Speaker 1>Most ridiculous I've ever read that in my life. It's

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<v Speaker 1>insane and ps. Claire is a strong, firm name.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think of Claire as a financial failure. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see Claire as somebody who's in a gutter in

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<v Speaker 1>financial ruin.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's how Claire doesn't live on skid row.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how strong Claire is. She can make you believe

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<v Speaker 2>she's thriving when in actuality, deep down she's struggling. She

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<v Speaker 2>needs a hug, No, she's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Claire has a matching sweater set and a string of

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<v Speaker 1>pearls on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she's financed. They're all on credit card debt. Shannon, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's what I'm saying. I'm telling you Claire is

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<v Speaker 2>not okay. If you have a friend named Claire, you

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<v Speaker 2>need to call her and make sure she's okay and

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<v Speaker 2>buy her lunch. She's not going to split about Claire.

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<v Speaker 3>But they don't even there's no there's no connection, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean right, I mean they can't establish what the connection

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<v Speaker 3>would be between these names and film.

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<v Speaker 2>They just basically went through and looked at social Security

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<v Speaker 2>data and figured out who was thriving financially and what

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<v Speaker 2>the most common names were about for those people that

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<v Speaker 2>were thriving financially, and then technically.

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<v Speaker 1>She should all be fired. Those people should be elon Musk.

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<v Speaker 1>If your job is to go through social Security data

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<v Speaker 1>and find out what your first name is successful.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a this is a college funded study, So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think this is actually from the federal government.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it. I think it was Brigham Yell.

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<v Speaker 4>Go back to the Mormons.

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<v Speaker 2>College closed, But they did. It's funny they did kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what I The reason why I brought this to

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<v Speaker 2>you guys is for just the funny of just laughing

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<v Speaker 2>that your name has anything to do with your financial success.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also think it's a reflection of what I

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<v Speaker 2>feel that these anks written parents go through. That we've

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<v Speaker 2>now added icing onto a cake, which is this is

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<v Speaker 2>probably more of a multiple flower icing flower that's being

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<v Speaker 2>added on top of the cake of like things you

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<v Speaker 2>should worry about. You failed your kid because you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>name them Anna, right, you would have just named them Anna.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, there's pressure in the process of naming the kid already.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's your point. And in terms of what

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<v Speaker 3>we were saying, what my wife and I were saying

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<v Speaker 3>when we were doing this exercise of what would you

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<v Speaker 3>even begin? Would you want a family name? Would you

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<v Speaker 3>want to name it after your grandfather? Like, what, how

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<v Speaker 3>do you even begin? There's plenty of pressure. You got it,

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<v Speaker 3>and you should cut down on the rules. The rules

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<v Speaker 3>are basically for me, the rules were, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 3>to name my son anything close to one of your

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<v Speaker 3>ex boyfriends.

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<v Speaker 2>That was really the only thing I didn't that is

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<v Speaker 2>so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not ridiculous because she's had so many boyfriends

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<v Speaker 3>that the list was pretty small.

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<v Speaker 2>See, this is why I brought this. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>this was an undertended consequence. Look at how much fun

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<v Speaker 2>we're having.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such an early twenties thing, like I'm not what

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<v Speaker 1>are your ex boyfriends name?

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<v Speaker 2>The fun game I named was I played with my wife?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that my wife had been talking about, like all

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<v Speaker 2>the girl names, Kiara, Noel, these were all names that

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<v Speaker 2>she was thrown around, and Kiara was my least favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when we bought our house, we adopted this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of feral kitten that had lived in the park

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<v Speaker 2>across the street and walk up to us, and so

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, oh, let's keep the kitten. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what your namebor is Kiara. That's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the names you like. And my wife is so caught

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<v Speaker 2>up in the emotion of her She's like, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>great idea, and I'm like, great, we never have a

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<v Speaker 2>daughter named Kiara now?

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<v Speaker 3>And then an electric fence was built around the name Kiara.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>That is so manipulative.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, I'm very I'm very very rarely

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<v Speaker 2>am I good at it? That? Like?

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<v Speaker 4>Especially my peace of who you are?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, but it felt so strong, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, hold on. I've never felt more alive

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<v Speaker 2>than that day.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's an immature thing to say, is

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<v Speaker 3>you can't name my son after ex boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying it's immature.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that, like in my early twenties, I was

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<v Speaker 1>more obsessed with like like my boyfriend or now husband

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever it was with their exes.

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<v Speaker 2>I was more She's yeah, she's saying it was a

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<v Speaker 2>sign of the time over your age. And you're right

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<v Speaker 2>because because if I look, yes, because right now, if

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<v Speaker 2>I look three years previous, I'm the only person that

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<v Speaker 2>my wife has had sex with.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not even.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinking about it in your forties or whatever, right and

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm twenty one, yes, I may not be the

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<v Speaker 1>only person on that list in three years.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all. I'm sorry, All right, good, you know what's

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<v Speaker 2>funny about me? As soon as you said it, I agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like, I'm have never thought of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad my naming. I dodged that bullet.

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<v Speaker 3>And the thing is her most I think the boyfriend

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<v Speaker 3>that she had before me was also named Andy, and

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<v Speaker 3>if that had happened, and like we named our kid,

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<v Speaker 3>and I know five million andy's now and they all

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<v Speaker 3>haunt me because.

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<v Speaker 2>They remind me of my wife's sex boyfriend. I was

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<v Speaker 2>afraid one of them was going to be named Alvin,

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<v Speaker 2>and so she found a loophole with Calvin or Alan

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

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<v Speaker 1>The best part of that is like, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>kind of we have a magnetic quality about us, Gary,

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<v Speaker 1>Like one of your best friend's name.

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<v Speaker 4>Is Andy now right, Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And I think also there's this weird thing that that

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<v Speaker 1>just happens. I call you Andy sometimes. My brother's name

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<v Speaker 1>is Andy, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It hurts every time.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do that sometimes. I haven't done it in

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, But there's something to be said. When

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<v Speaker 1>you really don't want something, sometimes the.

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<v Speaker 2>Universe does and it hurts because you're not as financially

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<v Speaker 2>successful ass. And the other thing is that my in laws,

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<v Speaker 2>for the first year that my wife and I were dating,

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<v Speaker 2>they called me in no way, absolutely no, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't even catch on.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I remember distinctly. We were sitting in the backseat

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<v Speaker 3>of a car. We're going with them to I had

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<v Speaker 3>to be dinner somewhere, and we were visiting them while

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<v Speaker 3>they were in Seattle, and we were living in Sacramento,

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<v Speaker 3>and and her mom my now mother in law, kind

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<v Speaker 3>of spun around and.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, so, Andy, what was it like at work

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<v Speaker 2>this week?

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean direct eye contact and everything and no,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, nobody was talking to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody on this planet is better, by the way than

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<v Speaker 2>your Shannon. And like the comedic response take to that

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<v Speaker 2>of just like I just imagined going stiff and just

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<v Speaker 2>lowering her.

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<v Speaker 3>Head at a forty and like, yeah, my wife said.

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<v Speaker 3>My wife corrected her right away. She's like, his name

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<v Speaker 3>is Gary, And to her credit, my mother in law

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<v Speaker 3>now mother in law, was mortified and she said it

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<v Speaker 3>like at dinner time, I'm really sorry for calling you

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<v Speaker 3>that I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>And my wife then again she pops up. She's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you guys do it all the time. No we don't,

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<v Speaker 3>and yes you do.

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<v Speaker 4>How long were they together?

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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, that's a great question. I don't know months.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's so weird. And I said, how long were

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<v Speaker 1>Shannon and Andy together? Because my whole life it's been

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<v Speaker 1>Shannon and Andy, Shannon and Andy.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we'll try living my life where I go

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<v Speaker 3>home and they're like, who who? When I went to

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<v Speaker 3>get notarized yesterday's signature and they're like, who's who's signing today?

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, Gary and Shannon don't forget to download

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<v Speaker 3>the podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>So how long were they together?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a year plus. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I honestly don't know. He just got a list. He

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<v Speaker 3>didn't get time, praks.

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<v Speaker 1>He just seems like it's enough time for the mother

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<v Speaker 1>or the father to continually call the new one the old.

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<v Speaker 2>One, and was really nice.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what he looks similar.

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<v Speaker 3>We have time to go into this blonde hair. He's

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<v Speaker 3>also addicted to porn. But that's sorry. I couldn't just

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<v Speaker 3>let that know. Yeah, you had to take a shot

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<v Speaker 3>at him. You won, Garritt, It's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You won.

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<v Speaker 3>The study that reveals that parents do have a favorite child,

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<v Speaker 3>and to break it down, BYU and Western University looked

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<v Speaker 3>at all of these different things. Kids who are favored

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<v Speaker 3>tend to have better mental health, to do better in school,

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<v Speaker 3>to have better family relationships. I'm not sure if that's

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<v Speaker 3>but they also said that the older child and often girls, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>tend to be the favorite child.

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<v Speaker 2>Daughters predominantly are favorite. And this is what I love

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<v Speaker 2>is bringing this in is that both of you guys

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<v Speaker 2>have siblings that, like you have a sister, Shannon has

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<v Speaker 2>a brother. Do you think that your sister got favorite

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<v Speaker 2>of treatment.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they at times did get the favorite treatment, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but for different reasons. I mean, one of them was

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<v Speaker 3>college because she was older. But but and then the

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<v Speaker 3>other one was very sporty, like she was super involved

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<v Speaker 3>in Yeah, and then I was like, hey, there's there's

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<v Speaker 3>that guy keeps showing up at our house every day.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the opinion on you. Yeah, Jan, do.

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<v Speaker 1>You think that you got I think, like Gary, you're

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<v Speaker 1>a rule follower, like before you got here. Justin we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about it and Gary said that his parents

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<v Speaker 1>routinely told him that he was the favorite. And and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you are really good with following rules

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<v Speaker 1>and not getting like you get into the correct amount

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<v Speaker 1>of trouble without being a like a problem or a

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<v Speaker 1>problem or a worry. Yeah, whereas your sisters, there was

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<v Speaker 1>two of them. Girls are kind of tricky boys a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of time. I think probably get the bad rap

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<v Speaker 1>because they're little boys and they're all over the place,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're dirty, and they're not rule followers, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're rambunctious, and that's just what little boys are.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that that's probably it. Girls are probably

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<v Speaker 1>more self contained for the most part.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because what I've heard is that like daughters feel

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<v Speaker 2>like they aren't that the brother always has more leeway,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly like going out to parties and dating, because for

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<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, parents worry less about their sons, but brothers

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<v Speaker 2>feel like the girls get away with more because they

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<v Speaker 2>get treated with a little bit more mittens and like

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<v Speaker 2>and tenderly than the boy would. Right, that's like. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think the other thing that this article kind of

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<v Speaker 2>this is really about a kid's perception. This opened my

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<v Speaker 2>eyes because I think if you were to ask me,

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<v Speaker 2>until recently, I would probably if I had to, like

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<v Speaker 2>gun to my head, I had to pick a favorite kid,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be my older son. Until recently. Now, my

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<v Speaker 2>younger son is probably more my favorite because he's employed.

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<v Speaker 2>I've decided that having a child two weeks. Yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 2>decided that having a child that has a job is

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<v Speaker 2>my new favorite thing about being a father I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing we were talking about too, is how

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<v Speaker 1>it changes, like your faceite kid changes.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad said. The way I asked him, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know I've said this multiple times here is that I said,

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<v Speaker 2>do you really have a favorite? And he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have a favorite, you just always have. It

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<v Speaker 2>rotates who you're worried about, like there's always he said,

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<v Speaker 2>there's always one of you that your mom and I

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<v Speaker 2>are worried about. And then when that one starts to

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<v Speaker 2>like rally, he goes, you don't stop worrying because now

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<v Speaker 2>you're like looking at the other two of going okay, which,

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen to you two now? Because all

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<v Speaker 2>three of you are never thriving at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it just doesn't work out that way. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 2>we've used the quote before. I heard it said by

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<v Speaker 2>Heraldo Rivera, but I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know if he was the one who originated it,

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<v Speaker 3>which is you're never as you're only as happy as

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<v Speaker 3>your unhappiest child, and that, I mean that kind of

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<v Speaker 3>plays into it. There you go back and forth, they

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<v Speaker 3>go through different light and depending on how old they

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<v Speaker 3>are too, if there's a wide age separation, they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to go through different life stages at very different times

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<v Speaker 3>and give you sort of the roller coaster effect of

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<v Speaker 3>got to pay attention to this one as she's a preteen,

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<v Speaker 3>but that guy's going to be an late adolescent, what's

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<v Speaker 3>happening with their and vice versa.

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<v Speaker 2>Because like like it says, the more agreeable child is

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<v Speaker 2>also usually the more favorite, which is I think what

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon's saying about you. I would also say that about

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<v Speaker 2>my older son. It's just always been easier for me

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to my older son. He's like me, he

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<v Speaker 2>likes to talk things out. My younger son is like

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<v Speaker 2>my wife. He holds it in if he's upset and

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<v Speaker 2>you have to pull it out of him. But I

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<v Speaker 2>would also argue that if you're talking about favoritism my

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<v Speaker 2>older son, I think thinks that we favor the younger

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<v Speaker 2>one because I have to try. I have to put

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<v Speaker 2>in an effort to get things out of my younger son,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas I don't have to do anything with my older

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<v Speaker 2>son to feel like I have like that he knows

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a connection there. I guess I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's all perception. Nothing is real, because how do

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<v Speaker 2>you sit down and have a sincere conversation about who

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<v Speaker 2>do you think mom and dad love more?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>And when I talked about it last week, there were

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<v Speaker 3>people who were upset that I would even entertain the

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<v Speaker 3>thought of telling one of my children that they were

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite, Like, what good is that?

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<v Speaker 2>You're just going to sew division between the two of them, which.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never tell these people shut up, Well, I would never. Also,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I would ever seriously say to them, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like sit them both down and go. You know

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<v Speaker 3>it's been bugging me for a long time. This you

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<v Speaker 3>I hate you, but she I like her? She or

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<v Speaker 3>you're a moron, but he's really got his stuff together

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<v Speaker 3>right now, listen. I'll be the first to admit that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not perfect or doing all this great, but I'll

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<v Speaker 3>tell you like, we have videos of my wife telling

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<v Speaker 3>me she was pregnant with each of our sons, and

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<v Speaker 3>with the second one it was not a happy moment.

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<v Speaker 3>It was definitely like we were struggling financially. And after

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<v Speaker 3>the video, she goes, should I delete this, like basically

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<v Speaker 3>erasing the evidence? And I said no, I said, because yes,

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<v Speaker 3>this is kind of like a oh crap, moment, But

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<v Speaker 3>in reality, I go, if this kid looks at this

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<v Speaker 3>video at twenty two years of age and doesn't laugh

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<v Speaker 3>at it because he has spent the last twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>years of his life being loved and growing in this

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<v Speaker 3>family and being supported, then yeah, we were hosted to

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<v Speaker 3>begin with, and that video didn't change any of it. Like,

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't make any difference, I said, so, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it is what it is. And both of my sons

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<v Speaker 3>have listened to both all of my comedy albums, which

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<v Speaker 3>is just me jokingly like making fun of being them

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<v Speaker 3>and talk about how bad being a dad is and

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<v Speaker 3>they laugh, Like I don't think it really matters. It

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<v Speaker 3>matters when it's like when I guess it's real, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I think if you genuinely told your kids like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>you're my favorite, I don't think it's really that sincere.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really sweet that your kids have listened to your albums.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it scared me. My dad played them when he

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<v Speaker 2>brought him home. He played all three of them when

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<v Speaker 2>they were like four and seven, and I'm like, Dad,

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<v Speaker 2>did you give any context? He's like no, I just

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<v Speaker 2>thought they get a kick out of hearing their dad

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<v Speaker 2>do what he does, and they still to this day

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<v Speaker 2>they like it. They think it's funny, like which I agree, Shanon.

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<v Speaker 2>It does. It warms my heart. But your point also

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<v Speaker 2>is they probably don't take it seriously. They don't they

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<v Speaker 2>know how much I love them. Yeah. I cry everything

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<v Speaker 2>they do and I hug them all the time. Again

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<v Speaker 2>like this idea that we worry that the kids don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you love them, like you start crying right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I already am the greatest after half an hour. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>Justin