WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.640 I've seen your social medias from apart from AFAR, but 2 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:05.799 because I don't shoot anymore, I don't really get to 3 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.720 see like the inner nitty gritty things of all the 4 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:10.679 sexy things you ladies are doing. So that's why I 5 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:12.320 wanted to bring you here on private talk so we 6 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:15.119 could talk about all these things and let us know what. 7 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:17.640 You've been up to and all those sexy things. 8 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:19.800 So Caitlin, tell us a little bit about yourself and 9 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:21.239 see what you've been up to. 10 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:25.359 Hi, Caitlin Bell here. I started in the industry about 11 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.600 a year ago, started in September here in La. I 12 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:32.000 wish I would have known about the industry way way 13 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:34.000 way long time ago, because were you locked. 14 00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:34.399 In a closet. 15 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:37.640 I mean, there's porn everywhere, maybe not just like I 16 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:41.840 mean the Internet nowadays, it's just like it's it's very accessible, exact. 17 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:43.759 So what did you not know about porn? 18 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:45.960 Just the fact that you could how easily maybe you 19 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:47.880 could get into it, or the fact that they was 20 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:48.920 just porn existed at all. 21 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:51.399 I just didn't know that it was so business oriented. 22 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:53.679 I thought, you know, there's always these horror stories that 23 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:56.119 people talk about, but it has been like the best 24 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:58.719 experience I've ever had. And I was engaged for a 25 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:02.759 long time and was an escort, so I never thought 26 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:05.640 about porn until COVID hit and I got recruited off Twitter. 27 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:10.200 Okay, Okay, That's an interesting dynamic of things because. 28 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:12.879 It's like, is it like, did your. 29 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:16.280 Fiance limit you from all not doing those things because. 30 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:17.200 You were a sexual person. 31 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:18.879 You said, you know you were an escort, so he 32 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:21.200 knew that you were having sex and you knew how 33 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:23.560 to do that. So it's like, was it because it 34 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.200 was just where maybe it was more controlling and that 35 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:29.599 you couldn't really expand or do you have an insight 36 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:29.879 on that? 37 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:32.599 So I wasn't an escort when I was engaged to him. 38 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:35.239 I was just living this rich girl lifestyle. Oh so 39 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:38.959 after and he was extremely controlling and he was having 40 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:40.599 fun at the strip clubs while I was stuck at 41 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:44.760 home being a housewife with no friends or family. So 42 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:47.359 when I finally decided to leave him, I started working 43 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:49.400 at the strip club that he used to frequent. 44 00:01:49.280 --> 00:01:52.480 And in spite of him, if you're not taking me 45 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:55.120 with you, I'm fucking gonna strip myself. It's funny how 46 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:56.760 that works because there's a lot of girls that do 47 00:01:56.879 --> 00:02:00.719 things where it's like for like not really when say envious, 48 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:04.680 but like to be spite of because it's like, oh, okay, motherfucker, 49 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:06.560 Like I'm a hot, sexy bitch. I could do the 50 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.639 same fucking thing and you're gonna limit me not today. 51 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:13.199 So did you see him at the strip club that Now? 52 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:16.080 He never stepped from in that strip club again. And 53 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:18.960 I started dancing for two months, and in those two 54 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:20.800 months I was I was able to afford an apartment 55 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:23.680 in a car and then I met a patron in 56 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:25.599 there who was like, you would be really good at 57 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:29.280 us scorting you. I said, you're absolutely crazy. He's like, well, 58 00:02:29.360 --> 00:02:30.800 let me hook you up with one of the top 59 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:33.479 escorts in Atlanta, that's where I was living. And she 60 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:36.159 taught me everything I knew, and I realized that I 61 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:37.599 was made for the sex industry. 62 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:40.240 What is everything you know? When you say that is? 63 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:42.599 What is some things that you kind of taught, like 64 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:45.680 or you were taught that you probably already. 65 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:47.199 Kind of knew, but she kind of enhanced out of you. 66 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:50.199 How to screen clients and how to stay out of 67 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:54.919 getting into trouble and potentially getting hurt. I've had absolutely. 68 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:56.680 I mean, of course it hasn't been a walk in 69 00:02:56.680 --> 00:02:58.960 the park, but I have not had a bad experience 70 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:01.759 to where its traumatized me. It's actually made me feel 71 00:03:01.800 --> 00:03:03.840 more empowered than I ever have in my life. 72 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:06.840 Is it because you have a community with this woman 73 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:09.680 that you're speaking of, or how do you give maybe 74 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:12.199 some tips to some people that you can stay safer, 75 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:14.159 you can be in those environments and not be as 76 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:16.439 risky as some people may get out to be. 77 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.960 Yeah, So if you, I mean, any anything that you're doing, 78 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:22.479 if you find the person that isn't a mentor, they 79 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:24.520 can definitely lead you down the right path so that 80 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:29.240 you don't get into trouble. Just meeting her changed my life. 81 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:32.879 We don't speak anymore, and now I'm in the porn industry. 82 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:35.800 But the thing that's different about the porn industry and 83 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.240 escorting is when you're an escort, you're pretty pretty isolated 84 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:41.639 by yourself. If you do have escorting friends that you 85 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:44.560 talk to and you know, verify clients through. But as 86 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:47.840 far as like a community, now in porn I actually 87 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:50.000 have coworkers that I can talk to and bitch about 88 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:52.599 our you know, bitch about our days. When in escorting. 89 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:55.159 I was very isolated, but it did help. 90 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:58.280 What is some comp or some complaints about bitching on 91 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.000 your about your day in a porn sat Probably the. 92 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:04.000 Ones that last, you know, nine ten hours, which don't 93 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:06.479 happen as often as I thought they would. But you know, 94 00:04:06.520 --> 00:04:08.719 it's exhausting being on set that long. 95 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:10.120 And you still even in the business for how long 96 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:11.120 it'll be. 97 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:13.199 It was a year June twenty sixth. 98 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:17.720 Girl and you buckle that seatpout. It's a long long ride. 99 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:20.000 Nowadays, I feel like it's not as bad as like, 100 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:23.839 you know, the long hour type sets because of platforms 101 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:25.439 like OnlyFans and things like that. 102 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:27.519 So it is kind of different. But I mean, I 103 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:28.480 can remember. 104 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:31.000 Being on those types of sets like very far to 105 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:32.279 where it's just. 106 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:34.399 Like, you know what, this may not be the company 107 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:37.120 for me. And I really didn't shoot a lot. 108 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:39.800 Of those types of scenes either, Like I was in 109 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:42.120 this kind of like cameo type things, but I didn't 110 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:45.360 like that stuff Like to me, that wasn't what I 111 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:48.120 wanted to do or wasn't a like I didn't get 112 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:51.040 to showcase my sexuality how I wanted to for those 113 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:53.360 types of films. So for me, I was very more 114 00:04:53.399 --> 00:04:56.000 in the gonzo world of things. And I was just 115 00:04:56.040 --> 00:04:58.759 like you do like pretty girls, you do a little 116 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:00.879 teas you crawl back, then you and you fucking crawled 117 00:05:00.920 --> 00:05:04.600 everywhere and uh and then you fucked and it was 118 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:05.360 straight to the point. 119 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:07.879 And what I loved because it was just for me. 120 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:08.680 Sex was art. 121 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:10.839 It was how I wanted to express myself, how I 122 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:13.519 wanted people to see me, and like I felt like 123 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:15.680 that was the most beautiful light to bring it to. 124 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:18.839 Sex was always a really exciting thing. 125 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:22.560 And learning new things from these talents has been been refreshing. 126 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:26.040 So did you have a very active sex life prior 127 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:26.720 to because. 128 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:27.480 You said you were engaged. 129 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:29.560 You you know, you kind of seem like you're a 130 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:32.000 relationship type of one on one partner. 131 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:34.839 Did you have a crazy sex life before. 132 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:37.079 No, I've always been a sexual person. 133 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:39.639 I realized that, but with your partner. 134 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:42.959 But with him, I tried to be but he I 135 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:46.160 was young and very influenced. 136 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:46.720 Young, dumb and full of time. 137 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:49.160 We do a lot of exactly, so I was I 138 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:51.879 was actually not as sexual as I could have been 139 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:55.120 because he was so controlling. But after I left him, Yeah, 140 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:56.079 when you go off. 141 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:58.839 The clothes peeling off and you're like running naked through 142 00:05:58.839 --> 00:05:59.319 the fields. 143 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:01.759 I'm definitely I'm not a faithful person, and. 144 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:05.000 I don't know I'm not a faithful person. 145 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:08.480 Is it because of prior like things that happened before, 146 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:10.519 or is this something that you just can't commit. 147 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:12.439 I just can't commit. I can follow, So. 148 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:15.319 How are you engaged? If you can't commit, You're gonna 149 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:16.279 cheat on your husband the. 150 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:19.560 Whole time I was twenty, I will let I'm always 151 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:22.480 very honest with every single person that I date about 152 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:24.240 what I do, so I don't keep it a secret 153 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:25.199 and I tell them, but. 154 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:28.879 Hold on because it's one of those things that you're like, oh, yeah, 155 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.040 we're just gonna fucking have no feelings. But then people 156 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:33.160 have feelings, and you can set the guidelines of whatever 157 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:35.399 you want to say and say I'm a cheater. If 158 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:36.839 you want to fuck me, you're just gonna have to 159 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:38.680 know that I'm gonna cheat on you, and you have 160 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:41.519 the choice to say whatever. But the problem with that 161 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:44.399 is that we always think like, oh, they'll change, I'll 162 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:46.720 be the one to change them exactly what's. 163 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:49.360 Been happening to me over and over again. But I'm 164 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:51.560 not changing. This is who I am you. 165 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:53.959 Only date men now I do? Yes? 166 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:58.199 Oh okay, I'm over the twenty something year olds. I'm 167 00:06:58.199 --> 00:06:59.839 definitely forties and up kind of girl. 168 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:02.600 Forty is and upturna girl. Okay, how old are you? 169 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:03.839 I'm thirty seven? 170 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:05.240 Okay. I like that. 171 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:07.560 I think that sometimes you know, you know, with me, 172 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.040 I started the ends when I was twenty one. So 173 00:07:10.079 --> 00:07:11.639 for me, like like I made the joke of young, 174 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:13.839 dumb and full of com I've said that from the beginning. 175 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:15.839 Once I had sex, it was like pringles once she pop, 176 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:16.519 you just kicked up. 177 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:19.439 I want you more, like what are we doing? And 178 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:20.839 it was just like it enhanced that. 179 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:24.160 But I also too, as I've evolved in the adult 180 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:26.879 industry and just as being a woman, there's been moments 181 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:29.600 of times of where you feel like you don't or 182 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:33.839 myself was like, we're you aren't as as as sexy 183 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:35.600 as people think that you are on the outside, but 184 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:37.439 you don't feel that way right Like at one point, 185 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.160 I feel like I lost my femininity of like being 186 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:42.319 a sexual being that I am, which is crazy because 187 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:45.319 I've known as a sexual person. But it seems like 188 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:47.800 with you in your relationship, first is what did that 189 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:50.040 and then porn kind of elevated you out of this 190 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:52.879 like beautiful, like butterfly out of a cocoon thing type 191 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:53.120 of thing. 192 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:58.399 And porn has helped me finesse my talents and escorting. 193 00:07:57.720 --> 00:07:58.959 A little hustler over here. 194 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:00.920 I like to walk in a park now. It's just 195 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.040 because I'm dealing with these you know, these talents that 196 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:06.759 are absolutely incredible at what they do, so a civilian, 197 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:08.519 as we call them. I love that you guys have 198 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:12.480 named them that. It's easy now, it's funny, this is 199 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:13.160 what we say. 200 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:16.160 That is so we don't want to ignore our other guests. 201 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:18.160 We have our three son and so the other third 202 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:20.040 party and our guest is Karmen Karma. 203 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:21.120 How are you, my love? 204 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:22.759 They love, I'm amazing. 205 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:24.800 Have you two ladies had sex with each other? 206 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:26.160 We have not have not. 207 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:28.399 We just met today. Yeah we just met today. 208 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:30.600 Okay, but we found out we both lived in Vegas? 209 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.440 So did I just I maybe just made little content 210 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.519 training going on over here? All right, tell us about 211 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:39.679 your career, where you are in your path, and tell 212 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:40.720 a little bit more about yourself. 213 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:42.840 So I started in porn when I was twenty one 214 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:45.759 as well. I think it was like twenty twelve, and 215 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:48.600 I remember I actually joined my agency, like I was 216 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:49.600 looking at their website and. 217 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:51.399 You were on it so direct. 218 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:55.399 Yes it was thank you. I won't say much more. 219 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:58.000 About that, but you know you had a bad experience. 220 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:00.639 I did have a bad experience. Yeah, okay. 221 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:02.240 It was fun though, because I got to like live 222 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:03.919 in one of his houses, you know, with all the 223 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:05.360 girls and do the whole party. 224 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:07.120 Do you want to talk about the bad experience. 225 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:09.840 I mean, I'm an open book like I have. 226 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:27.399 Let's talk about it. So found it. I found that 227 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:31.519 fucking but the truth. Yes, you said that we were on. 228 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:34.440 The same agency. I for me, this is how I feel, 229 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:37.519 and I have no judgment. This is an open platform, 230 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:39.519 and for me is I want the truth. This is 231 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:41.559 why it's a private talk. It's a private conversation. But 232 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:44.679 everybody goes through their own things. For me, personally, Derek 233 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:48.559 has been nothing but a good agent to me. He's 234 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:51.159 did nothing to me whatever. But I also am a 235 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:53.399 different type of person than a lot of people in 236 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:56.440 the industry, not taking that away from anything saying that, 237 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:58.600 but I also didn't put myself in situations where he 238 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:03.120 could be possibly allowed to make me do or teeter 239 00:10:03.240 --> 00:10:05.559 me to something else that I wouldn't really want. 240 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:06.039 To be ye. 241 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:09.960 Back to that, but yeah, no, I definitely want to 242 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:12.519 know your side because you know, you hear all kinds 243 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:15.519 of things. With social media nowadays, people could say anything. 244 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:17.440 It doesn't mean it's true. It's like throwing a rock 245 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:18.240 and running away and. 246 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:19.879 Be like, oh I didn't say that, Yeah, but you 247 00:10:19.919 --> 00:10:21.320 know what I mean, But I want to know your truth. 248 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:24.080 It wasn't. It wasn't like this terrible story. 249 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:26.440 But basically I lived in one of his houses, so 250 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.879 of course you know I have to pay him rent and. 251 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:30.879 I wasn't unusual. 252 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.840 Yeah, yeah, I wasn't want you know, how do you 253 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:36.440 know that the girls were like daddy Derek. 254 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:38.159 They called him daddy Derek, and I mean I. 255 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:39.200 Call him daddy Derek. 256 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:43.320 Yeah, but not because he's ever been my daddy like me. 257 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:45.559 I affected him and his seene a long time ago, 258 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:48.799 and it was very satisfying for me because a lot 259 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:49.120 of reasons. 260 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:50.440 I'll go back to us for another time. 261 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:54.720 But but it was because in a sense, like he's 262 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:57.519 all these girls daddy like he. If anything I will 263 00:10:57.559 --> 00:10:59.440 say is what I respect him as a man, is 264 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:01.679 that he puts up with a lot of shit. Yeah, 265 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:04.559 I've sometimes questioned myself should I join an agency, because 266 00:11:04.559 --> 00:11:06.279 you know, I'm a big woman's right, you know, activist 267 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:08.039 type of person where it's like I want our women 268 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:10.759 and women to feel heard and seen and not that 269 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:12.399 a man just has to tell us what to do 270 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:15.960 and what types of scenes, and so I respect that. 271 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:17.879 But at the same time is that comes with a 272 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:19.720 lot of problems, and it comes with a lot of 273 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.320 like responsibilities. But I sure would change that, not problems, 274 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:24.600 responsibilities that I. 275 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:28.000 Wasn't personally willing to take on. Yeah, so Daddy Derek. 276 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:29.279 Could have it Daddy Derek. 277 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:31.559 So basically like that whole thing, Like, I feel like 278 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:34.679 the girls that did what he wanted them, but. 279 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:36.720 You're saying that they're calling him died Derek because they're 280 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:39.559 fucking him at night, and they're probably not. They're probably 281 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:41.919 doing whatever, and they're probably sucking Daddy Derek's dick. 282 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:44.200 So I came into it with my best friend who 283 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:49.279 did do all those things, and she you know her name, well, 284 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:51.200 I think everyone I was like me and her. We 285 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.360 were dating Adriana Cheche. Okay, we both left our age, 286 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:58.120 our first agent and went with him and she was 287 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:01.159 more so down to do those types of things and 288 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:03.399 I wasn't like I was like more my party mode. 289 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:05.720 I didn't want to escort, and that was something like 290 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:07.720 at first, I was like really scared because I was 291 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:09.360 just thinking like, oh my god, he's going to kill me, 292 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:11.120 like the guys are going to kill me. And because 293 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:13.559 I wasn't like a yes man and like the yes daddy, 294 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:17.679 yes daddy. Therefore, I felt like I was kind of 295 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.559 being punished because directors were hitting me up on like 296 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:22.519 social on Twitter at the time and being like I'm 297 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:25.440 trying to book you and Derek says you're not available. Yes, 298 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:27.840 So then I stopped getting work. But I'm living in 299 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:29.679 his house, I'm owing him money, So how am I 300 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:30.919 going to give him the money? 301 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:32.440 I have to do the escorting. 302 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:35.000 So I got out pretty quickly from that agency just 303 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.120 because I felt like I had to good for you. 304 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:37.919 Yeah, But the. 305 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:39.759 Thing is is that's what I think is what's beautiful 306 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:41.919 is that like just because I didn't go to the 307 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.360 experience doesn't mean if that didn't happen to you, and 308 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:47.200 totally sure, like what works for me doesn't work for you, 309 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:49.480 and those other girls calling daddy Derek, Daddy Derek. 310 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:51.440 It's great as that being a. 311 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:53.960 Strong independent woman and being like, you know what, I 312 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:56.639 still love sex, but this just isn't for me, and 313 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:58.600 I want to do it this way, and you know, 314 00:12:58.679 --> 00:12:59.960 we're adults and we have. 315 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:01.000 Options to leave. 316 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:05.000 The shitty part is is like sometimes that comes with oh, 317 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:07.759 well she's difficult or oh she's this, and because of 318 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.320 like because of someone's ego. Now you know, it's the 319 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.480 retaliation part, and that's the part I don't like. 320 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:16.759 So and you know, with me, honestly, I didn't want 321 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:18.440 to do it because I felt like I had to 322 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.039 do it, So I did end up dabbling and escorting 323 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:21.879 like down. 324 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:23.039 With no cause. 325 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:25.000 Yeah, I'm like, you got it, Yeah, like you want 326 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:26.600 me to do it, like now, I'm not going to 327 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:28.919 do it because you're like I feel forced, and I 328 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:30.799 don't like feeling forced in situations. 329 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:31.279 For sure. 330 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:33.159 I feel like I'm a rebel without a cause. So 331 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.440 I definitely understand where that is. I'm like, you told 332 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:36.759 me at what time you want me to do it? 333 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:41.360 Eleven O two? Okay there eleven with seven and only 334 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:43.279 and not because I can't do it, is just because 335 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:45.559 I want to do it. My way, and I don't 336 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:47.960 like being told what to do. Never I've never will 337 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:51.200 maybe one man. I mean I'm probably not. 338 00:13:52.720 --> 00:13:56.039 I'm not manifestation, but I'm also about like equal opportunity. 339 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:58.600 For me, it's about respect. It's about how you carry 340 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:00.919 yourself and what the boundaries you set and that you 341 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:04.120 implement in your not only your life in relationships personally, 342 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:08.200 but businesses too. And sometimes I think that sometimes you know, 343 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:10.080 like what you said is like how this business is, 344 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.639 so you know, business oriented. It can be, but it 345 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:14.960 can also not be. And it depends on where you 346 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:17.399 fall in that category of which direction you're going to 347 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:19.759 go into. Because I started when I was twenty one, 348 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:22.159 you starod when you're twenty one. So I've always said 349 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:24.559 from the beginning is that I think twenty one should 350 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.080 be the age to enter the industry because eighteen, yes 351 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:30.080 you're legal, but you have no idea And not that 352 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:32.200 at twenty one did I know that much more, but 353 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:35.200 I had more life experience that at eighteen. When people 354 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:41.159 like put shiny things in front of you, if it's money, alcohol, drugs, dick, pussy, 355 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:43.360 whatever the fuck it is, You're like, Okay, let me 356 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:43.759 just try it. 357 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:45.960 Because you don't know. And sometimes in. 358 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:50.360 These highly like educated in educated in the world, but 359 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:54.360 highly like sexual you know, situations that we sometimes get 360 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:56.639 into in the industry. You don't know what to do. 361 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:58.759 You don't know how to speak up for yourself, you 362 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:00.519 don't know how to set the bound. You don't know 363 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:02.519 to be like, hey, but she's doing it and she's 364 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:04.519 my friend and it's not bad for her, so why 365 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:05.159 is it bad for me? 366 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:05.600 Yeah? 367 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:08.200 But again it's where it's like tomato, tomato, you could 368 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:10.240 like carrots, and you can fucking hate them, like you know, 369 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:13.320 everybody's The thing is this business. What I love from 370 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:16.840 the beginning was we all have a choice. We all 371 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:18.480 have a choice to put on our no list what 372 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:20.639 we don't want to do, what companies we don't want 373 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:22.840 to work for, what people we don't want to work for. 374 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:25.320 But you have to have your voice and know you 375 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:28.120 have that voice to tell your agents, to tell whoever 376 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:29.759 the fuck's trying to book you that this is just 377 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:30.240 what it is. 378 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:32.879 And that's hard when you're younger too, Like I feel 379 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:36.279 like I said yes or just went along with so 380 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:39.159 many things on set, like with directors, with my agent 381 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.440 when I was younger, even like It took me until 382 00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:43.159 I was like twenty eight until. 383 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:44.200 Older are you talk, I'm thirty. 384 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:46.480 I'm thirty, okay, but like I just. 385 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:49.039 Started realizing well to be like you feel like you're old. 386 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:51.039 Get thirty, yeah, and you're like, okay. 387 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:52.000 It's a new decade, you know. 388 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:54.759 I mean, yeah, it definitely is like one of those 389 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:57.080 things where you feel like, Okay, your twenties, I didn't 390 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:58.960 really know so much and I have experience and like 391 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:00.879 now it's like this, and not only that, but I 392 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:02.679 also have a voice and I have a say and 393 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:03.559 I can do what forget. 394 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:03.720 Want to do? 395 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:05.639 Yeah, you want to people please when you first get 396 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:07.799 into to make people happy, Like at least I did, 397 00:16:07.799 --> 00:16:10.279 Like I felt like I wanted everyone to think I 398 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:12.360 was so good on set and like I'm down to 399 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:14.759 do anything. And now I'm like able to finally say 400 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:15.279 I don't want to do. 401 00:16:15.320 --> 00:16:17.080