Speaker 1: Wow, Hey, Hey, how you doing this clip? Your host
Speaker 1: of Earth Agents. Welcome Monday, have a sea, let's talk.
Speaker 1: This is a fun week. We are in the process
Speaker 1: of planning a first only, well I should say first
Speaker 1: ever tour to guac Damala. I've been wanting to go
Speaker 1: to Guatemala for God for a couple of decades. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I'm excited that to call these
Speaker 1: archaeological parks with this, which is uh. They're all over
Speaker 1: at Guatemala, uh in the surrounding areas. They are much
Speaker 1: more open about connecting the local authorities. Are much more
Speaker 1: open than in Mexico. And in Tikal, which is the
Speaker 1: prominent ruin, you can actually climb pyramids and I have
Speaker 1: I'm working with Lydia de Leong and her husband Arturo
Speaker 1: to plan this tour, which is going to be December
Speaker 1: first through now the thirteenth we think, or twelfth, twelfth
Speaker 1: or thirteenth, and it is packed full of lectures by
Speaker 1: local archaeologists as well as native shaman. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what's unique about this tour is when you have
Speaker 1: a shaman opening you to the energy of the pyramids.
Speaker 1: When you go to the parks, you are connected. Now.
Speaker 1: The problem with this now in Mexico is that the church,
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church, has instilled in the government a no
Speaker 1: ceremony rule that this disconnects you. So we used to
Speaker 1: be able to have a shaman work with us, bless
Speaker 1: us and open us as we went into these parks.
Speaker 1: And this is also academics and the field archaeologists we've
Speaker 1: walked with, and now you can't do that. Now you
Speaker 1: cannot be in the park and do any ceremonies whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And this is all Mexico. It makes a huge difference
Speaker 1: when you're trying to understand get information intuitively or directly
Speaker 1: from these ancient places, and you're kind of thinking, well,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about intuition things, Well, when you're
Speaker 1: at these sacred sites, and god knows how many times
Speaker 1: I've been talking about these energy feels that John Burke
Speaker 1: discovered in his work using equipment, you know, magnometers and
Speaker 1: other equipment to test the energy feels. When you can't
Speaker 1: connect with them, you're losing out on a great deal.
Speaker 1: So these tours, this tour we're doing in Guatemala December
Speaker 1: first through the twelfth, is unique because we won't be
Speaker 1: able to expand on what we know, interact with the pyramids,
Speaker 1: and actually climb and sit on pyramids in many of
Speaker 1: the locations we go. Now, this tour is going to
Speaker 1: be twenty twenty five people, probably twenty I'm thinking twenty max,
Speaker 1: and we've already got half the group filled. If you're
Speaker 1: interested in joining us, go to Earth Ancients, send me
Speaker 1: an email at Earth Ancients for you at gmail dot com,
Speaker 1: and I promise to get back to you and put
Speaker 1: you on the list. I'm gonna have Lydia and Autorro
Speaker 1: on the program probably later in this month, to talk
Speaker 1: a little bit more about It. Won't be a whole program,
Speaker 1: will just kind of be kind of an overview of
Speaker 1: what you can expect. I'm excited. I think if you're
Speaker 1: interested in anything having to do with pyramids, this should
Speaker 1: be a consideration of yours, simply because it looks like
Speaker 1: the Maya pyramids were also blueprinted in other places around
Speaker 1: the world, so some fund to be had, so look
Speaker 1: for that. It's the Ancients. Guatemala's Sacred Tour Pyramid Sacred
Speaker 1: Pyramid Tour in De simmer of this year. Today's program
Speaker 1: is about the Great Flood Our guest is doctor Michael Jay.
Speaker 1: We had Michael on the program way back in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen when he released a book called The Worldwide Flood,
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize how much beating he took from
Speaker 1: the archaeological community, I actould say the geological community, who
Speaker 1: was very resistant to his discovery and his findings. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that makes his work so compelling
Speaker 1: are the underwater scans that he uses in his book
Speaker 1: and also in an article that we'll refer to today that
Speaker 1: I will be presenting called the Flooding of the Mediterranean Basin.
Speaker 1: And this is a piece that came out in twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen that describes the Great Flood and the effects of
Speaker 1: huge water increases in the Mediterranean area. But it's all
Speaker 1: crystal clear when you look at Google Maps, and up
Speaker 1: until very very recently, you had to spend oh geez,
Speaker 1: four hundred dollars a year to download a version of
Speaker 1: the Google Maps pro which would actually dive into the
Speaker 1: ocean several one hundred feet if not more, and also
Speaker 1: combine different kinds of sites, scan sonars and things like
Speaker 1: that to really see with detail the evidence of flooding.
Speaker 1: And so you'll hear in this interview today suggested that you,
Speaker 1: the listener, go to Google and download the maps. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: go download Google Earth. Google Earth. It's free, and I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you it is the most wonderful tool to
Speaker 1: study not only landforms but also the water. And when
Speaker 1: you do that, you're given an opportunity to see what
Speaker 1: the Earth was like twelve thousand years ago. Because, and
Speaker 1: we'll bring this up today, not only the Mediterranean, but
Speaker 1: the Pacific coast, the Atlantic coast, much of the European
Speaker 1: coastline from the Netherlands all the way down to Italy
Speaker 1: was much different twelve thousand years ago, and the sea
Speaker 1: levels arose as much as a mile in some places.
Speaker 1: And we'll learn know about this today. But consider getting
Speaker 1: a copy of Google Earth because it's free. It is
Speaker 1: the most amazing tool. And I'll tell you what else
Speaker 1: it's great for. They continually updated with satellite imagery. So
Speaker 1: if you're curious about, say the Great Pyramids, you can
Speaker 1: you can punch in Giza Plateau, or even simplify it
Speaker 1: and say Giza Pyramids and it will take you directly
Speaker 1: to that location in Egypt, Cairo, Egypt, and as you
Speaker 1: fly over them, you're getting the latest satellite scans that
Speaker 1: are used by geologists, archaeologists and other field scientists to
Speaker 1: study the pyramids, to study the Giza plateau, and you
Speaker 1: have an up close personal look at these these these artifacts.
Speaker 1: Now even more interesting if you've caught the interview I
Speaker 1: did with Robert Schock and UH doctor Manu Safes today, Uh,
Speaker 1: you can see the Coffrey and Cufu pyramids and get
Speaker 1: a sense of just how big they are. Uh, they're
Speaker 1: dimensions and what's really uh, I think critical is as
Speaker 1: you're drawing down from miles above the atmosphere into the land,
Speaker 1: you see how perfectly shaped they are. They're really amazing
Speaker 1: phenomenon and it really makes you wonder who built these things.
Speaker 1: It's definitely not dynastic pharaohs, you know. And the more
Speaker 1: we get engineering to study these things, more science that's
Speaker 1: involved in in reviewing and analyzing these magnificent structures. They're
Speaker 1: not from any epic known to us now. They're earlier epics.
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about the the Yugas, and we
Speaker 1: talk about the Trita and the Satia. These are Satia
Speaker 1: creations or they are Treata traitions. Because the the the
Speaker 1: labor and the precision of the cutting of the blocks
Speaker 1: isn't from any period that we're familiar with or historic
Speaker 1: period that we're familiar with. But as we begin studying
Speaker 1: and using more scanning tools and technology and open our
Speaker 1: brains a little bit and not get stuck on dates,
Speaker 1: I think we're seeing that these are magnificent buildings to
Speaker 1: the previous epochs. We don't know if it's Satia or Trita,
Speaker 1: but whatever they are, they're significantly older than a few
Speaker 1: thousand years. And it's sad that these Egyptologists are so
Speaker 1: locked into their theories that they can't see the real
Speaker 1: evidence of the engineering feats of these buildings, of these pyramids. Also,
Speaker 1: while you're at the Giza plateau, take a look at
Speaker 1: the sphinx. See the evidence of before and after. And
Speaker 1: when I say before, the body of the sphinx is
Speaker 1: part of the original stone that was cut out of
Speaker 1: you know, solid rock, it's a solid stone sculpture. And
Speaker 1: then you can see the repair job that the Pharaohs
Speaker 1: did a few you know, a few thousand years ago,
Speaker 1: and how oddly out of place that the head is
Speaker 1: of that figure. It doesn't look it doesn't fit at all.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 1: And you know, you can't get that kind of a
Speaker 1: photograph from standing on the ground. You have to be
Speaker 1: way above it. So check it out Google Maps, excuse me,
Speaker 1: Google Earth, and you just drop it in to yours
Speaker 1: an application. It's a it's a tool. It'll sit on
Speaker 1: your desktop, it's going to be loaded on your hard drive.
Speaker 1: But you can access it and go around the world,
Speaker 1: go to Africa, wherever you're interested in, you know, check
Speaker 1: it out. Check out the Stone Hinge, check out the
Speaker 1: Great Pyramid at Tuna coup Uh. Check out El Castillo
Speaker 1: in Yucatan. Check out Cousco. Check out Cusco. Checkout Soxy Woman.
Speaker 1: See what they look at look like from above. They're fascinating.
Speaker 1: They're just fascinating. And what a great tool, and it's free.
Speaker 1: Can't ask for better than that. Now, I have to
Speaker 1: say this, if you have an older computer, it's probably
Speaker 1: going to be a challenge to use it because it'll
Speaker 1: be slowing it down because it takes a lot of memory. Also,
Speaker 1: not so great with phones, are not so great with
Speaker 1: pads because it takes again, it takes a lot of memory.
Speaker 1: So you need a desktop or or a laptop or
Speaker 1: a If you do have a pad, it's gotta have
Speaker 1: enough memories to support the use of the tool, So
Speaker 1: Google Earth. So that's part of the discussion today. Perhaps
Speaker 1: even more important is the fact that the flood which
Speaker 1: happened during the towards the end of the Younger Drives
Speaker 1: was caused by the impact of a asteroid. And we're
Speaker 1: gonna learn just how damaging this asteroid was, how far
Speaker 1: in advance they knew about it. We'll get reference from
Speaker 1: go Beckley Teppe, which according to Michael, and we've heard
Speaker 1: this from other people. I think we heard it from
Speaker 1: Andrew Collins and perhaps Graham Hancock. There's a couple of
Speaker 1: the t pillars at go Beckley Teppy that reference a
Speaker 1: ball of light coming towards Earth, and Michael will tell
Speaker 1: us exactly which one it was, whether some of the details.
Speaker 1: This is critical to know because perhaps our ancestors had
Speaker 1: some time to prepare before the impact, likely not, because
Speaker 1: there was nothing before that. It had been millions of years,
Speaker 1: tens of millions of years since the last impact. But
Speaker 1: this impact, this global impact, was so significant that it
Speaker 1: caused worldwide flooding. And that's our program today is all
Speaker 1: about the world wide flood. So the program today is
Speaker 1: Earth's Great Flood, and my guest today is doctor Michael j.
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Speaker 1: about the the Great Flood, the Biblical flood, the flood
Speaker 1: that basically was caused by an asteroid impact. We're sponsoring
Speaker 1: the Cosmic Summit coming up in June, and a lot
Speaker 1: of that program is based on research evidence of a
Speaker 1: global wide flood. My guest today, my returning guest, is
Speaker 1: doctor Michael J. We had Michael on a few years
Speaker 1: ago and he presents a great deal of wonderful data
Speaker 1: on geological evidence of a great flood in a book
Speaker 1: called The Worldwide Flood. Came out in twenty seventeen. I
Speaker 1: think he's revised it a couple of different times. Doctor
Speaker 1: J is a former professor of Naval postgraduate school in Monorary, California.
Speaker 1: He is also a confirmed catastrophist and also has lectured
Speaker 1: to places like the Geological Society of America and other locations.
Speaker 1: He was on Guia. He did a series on Gaia,
Speaker 1: and what makes him amazing is that he uses actual
Speaker 1: map footage found on Google Maps that shows the evidence
Speaker 1: of this flood, and a great deal of more data
Speaker 1: in his books on his book on just what has
Speaker 1: happened and strangely why geologists seem to be unable to
Speaker 1: in the face of this evidence kind of give up
Speaker 1: the ghost and admit that there was a great flood.
Speaker 1: So hey, Michael, great to have you back on Earth Ancients.
Speaker 2: How are you. It's great to be back. Thank you
Speaker 2: for inviting me.
Speaker 1: Hey, I want to mention also the reason that we're
Speaker 1: doing this is that at the time, my producer, Gail
Speaker 1: Torr said, do you know Michael wrote a paper called
Speaker 1: the Flooding of the Mediterranean Basin? And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I didn't. So she sent me this paper, which I
Speaker 1: had a chance to look at, and my god, is
Speaker 1: it profound. It's an amazing paper. Michael talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about this paper and it's after the book was written, right,
Speaker 1: In other words, you wrote the book, and then was
Speaker 1: it the research you were doing on the book that
Speaker 1: kind of revealed this Mediterranean flood?
Speaker 2: No, Like I said, the book was meant merely I
Speaker 2: wanted historical credit for figuring out the biggest error in
Speaker 2: the history of science. So it's kind of a plant
Speaker 2: the flag. I made no money off the book. It's
Speaker 2: been a dud, and actually I don't even want to
Speaker 2: advertise it. Well, what's important is the flooding of the
Speaker 2: Mediterranean basin of the younger dryest boundary. It was published
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen. It caused a bit of a stir,
Speaker 2: but geologists have ignored it since. And what it does,
Speaker 2: it actually follows scientific method. It's almost akin to Galileo.
Speaker 2: What Galileo did, he used this new instrument, the telescope,
Speaker 2: which gave him new data. And the data that he
Speaker 2: had was that the moons of Jupiter went around Jupiter,
Speaker 2: and that put an end to the idea of geocentris
Speaker 2: that the Earth was the center of the universe. Okay,
Speaker 2: so Google in twenty around twenty ten or so, not
Speaker 2: long after I had moved to California in the Monterey
Speaker 2: area Google publishes its maps, and someone who knew me
Speaker 2: very well from when I was much younger and knew
Speaker 2: of my interest in nature and science, said, you know, Mike,
Speaker 2: you gotta take a look at Monterey Canyon. And I said,
Speaker 2: Monterey Canyon. So I went home, turned on Google Maps,
Speaker 2: and I looked at this feature that's in Monterey Bay
Speaker 2: and it's a river system. It's a river system that
Speaker 2: goes one hundred miles offshore. And I kind of looked
Speaker 2: at that, and I said, what in the And it
Speaker 2: turns out it's not just money. There are river systems
Speaker 2: that go down into the abyss now covered under more
Speaker 2: than two miles of water, and they're found throughout the planet,
Speaker 2: coastal regions under over all continents, to include Antarctica. So
Speaker 2: I said to myself, So I knew that that science
Speaker 2: said there was never a flood, So I said, how,
Speaker 2: how could this possibly be? So if you've been in
Speaker 2: a most of your listeners have been in a swimming pool,
Speaker 2: and at the side of the swimming pool, we have
Speaker 2: these jets that are projecting water into the basin. Right
Speaker 2: how far from that jet do you have to be
Speaker 2: before you can't feel the water? It's probably like a
Speaker 2: foot or two, right, because water really doesn't flow well
Speaker 2: in water. So I had I've been I was a
Speaker 2: nuclear engineer, I took fluid dynamics as an undergraduate. I
Speaker 2: had kind of so, something's wrong. How can we have
Speaker 2: river systems underwater under two miles of water that go
Speaker 2: hundreds of miles off into the abyss if there was
Speaker 2: never flood? And so I said to myself, something's wrong.
Speaker 2: Let's figure it out. And so the question I asked
Speaker 2: myself is why do we believe that there was never
Speaker 2: a worldwide flood?
Speaker 1: Well, let me stop you real quickly, hang on one second.
Speaker 1: So sure you're saying that for the most part, academic
Speaker 1: geologists are not recognizing a worldwide flood because that's just
Speaker 1: in their training or they're not even looking.
Speaker 2: So that's actually a great question that this gives you
Speaker 2: an idea. When you see these rivers, right, when you
Speaker 2: see these rivers underwater, submerged under two miles of water,
Speaker 2: When you see these systems, you can see the meanders,
Speaker 2: you can see oxpos, you can see how they joined
Speaker 2: in different places. When you see that data, and then
Speaker 2: you recognize that geologists right now to this present second,
Speaker 2: maintain that there was never a flood. It gives you
Speaker 2: the idea impression of how perva and yes, I guess pervasive.
Speaker 2: Is that the influence that this no flood has, this
Speaker 2: no flood tenant, it's a paradigm that it has over
Speaker 2: all of science, in particular geologists, because a geologist should
Speaker 2: say to hisself or herself, golly, how can we have
Speaker 2: rivers under two miles of water? A great So that
Speaker 2: gives you an idea of how pervasive this is. Hancock,
Speaker 2: there's a quotation from Graham Hancock that talks about you know,
Speaker 2: it would be a very difficult thing for an academic
Speaker 2: to believe that there was a flood, because he or
Speaker 2: she would be subject to rebuke from his or her colleague.
Speaker 2: It's that pervasive. Okay, So why is it that we
Speaker 2: to this day believe that there was never a flood?
Speaker 2: And it goes back to the early part of the
Speaker 2: nineteenth century, early eighteen hundreds, and there's a gentleman named
Speaker 2: Adam Sedgwick who is leading the effort to find evidence
Speaker 2: of the flood. He and his colleagues throughout Europe are
Speaker 2: searching for remnants of a flood. So now if you
Speaker 2: think about you know, I live on a stream right
Speaker 2: behind the house yard. We got a stream, and whenever
Speaker 2: there's a flood on that stream, there's a bunch of
Speaker 2: stuff that the stream deposits at the high water mark
Speaker 2: and then on the water receige you get that deposit layer.
Speaker 2: And so that's what these geologists said about to do.
Speaker 2: They said about Europe looking for signs of that flood
Speaker 2: and what they found. In fact, they even found that
Speaker 2: glaciers deposited things, but they couldn't find a common deposit layer.
Speaker 2: And because they couldn't find a deposit layer, Sedgwick concluded
Speaker 2: that there was never a flood. Now, this guy Sedgwick,
Speaker 2: he was a Cambridge University professor. He was a president
Speaker 2: of the Geological Society of London, and he was a
Speaker 2: ordained minister in the Church of England. So here's Cedric
Speaker 2: in eighteen thirty one. He gets in front of his
Speaker 2: uh the president's addressed to the Geological Society of London.
Speaker 2: After great reflection he comes out and he says, and
Speaker 2: this is a quote. He says, the vast masses of
Speaker 2: deluvial gravel did not belong to one violent and transitory
Speaker 2: period it was indeed a most unwarmanted conclusion when we
Speaker 2: assume the contemporaneity of all the superficial gravels on earth.
Speaker 2: Having been myself a believer in a worldwide flood, and
Speaker 2: to the best of my power, a propagator of what
Speaker 2: I now regards a scientific heresy, I think it right
Speaker 2: to publicly recant my belief. Wow, so here he is.
Speaker 2: That's big news. Yes, this great academic of his time,
Speaker 2: he comes out and he renounces his belief in the
Speaker 2: worldwide flood.
Speaker 1: Here that carries over into all future textbooks. Yes, and
Speaker 1: that's two hundred years later. It's locked in.
Speaker 2: It's locked in, and so yes, not just that it's
Speaker 2: celebrated as the triumph of science over religion, which really
Speaker 2: is a misnomer. It's really the triumph of science over
Speaker 2: the narrative tradition, or human narrative tradition. It's not just
Speaker 2: the Bible that has a flood narrative. There are almost
Speaker 2: every culture throughout the planet has some form of a
Speaker 2: flood narrative. That's probably changed over time, but nonetheless, the
Speaker 2: flood is a part of our history, despite the last
Speaker 2: two hundred years. So what's the error, right, So what's
Speaker 2: the error. Let's talk about what Sedgwick got wrong. Where
Speaker 2: did he look? Well, he looked about presently, So I'm
Speaker 2: going to use that phrase. I'll use the phrase where
Speaker 2: we are now, which is synonymous to presently exposed landscapes.
Speaker 2: And if I wanted to get technical, I would say,
Speaker 2: there's subaria landscape, the landscapes that are under the air
Speaker 2: but not submerged. Okay, So Sedgwick could only investigate where
Speaker 2: we are now presently exposed landscape. He couldn't look under right.
Speaker 2: We had to wait two hundred years for Google to
Speaker 2: publish its maps. So here's Sedgwick's error. He should have
Speaker 2: concluded that where we are now was never subjected to
Speaker 2: a common flood. That's a true statement. No one would
Speaker 2: argue with it. It's absolutely true. But that's not the
Speaker 2: same thing as saying there was never a world wide flood.
Speaker 2: He went too far. He assumed that the present amount
Speaker 2: of water in the oceans has always been there. It's
Speaker 2: a huge mistake.
Speaker 1: Where did he Where did he look when he was
Speaker 1: doing his analysis?
Speaker 2: He seems on horseback he was he was riding through
Speaker 2: the valleys and the planes of Europe.
Speaker 1: Oh, he went through Europe. He didn't goge was just him.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just Sedric. There were folks, other folks join
Speaker 2: him in this effort. But he's the one who got
Speaker 2: in front of the geological siding and said, I no
Speaker 2: longer believe there was a flood. So now it's a
Speaker 2: huge mistake. Right, he assumed away the very event he
Speaker 2: was looking for. Right, so now two hundred years of science. Right,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of PhDs out there in geology,
Speaker 2: in particular submarines, gio morphology. There are people out there
Speaker 2: investigating the causes of these submerged river systems. Right. It's
Speaker 2: it's so these people they have to maintain that there
Speaker 2: was no flood, otherwise their degrees are worthless. Right, But
Speaker 2: now here so I think I told you, or I'm
Speaker 2: tired of fighting, I'm tired of being ridiculed. I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm too old.
Speaker 1: We should mention to our listeners that you've put up
Speaker 1: a big battle because the academic world has been after
Speaker 1: you to recant your your theories of a global flood.
Speaker 2: Well they just just ignore it. Right, But let's stake this.
Speaker 2: If one cannot discern between what Sedgwick should have concluded
Speaker 2: that presently exposed landscapes were never flooded versus what he
Speaker 2: concluded there was never a flood. If one can't discern
Speaker 2: the difference between those two, one can't be involved in
Speaker 2: critique because you're not smart enough to get involved in critique.
Speaker 1: Right, So let's do two things, Mike. Let's do two things.
Speaker 1: First of all, I want you to explain the effectiveness
Speaker 1: of Google Maps number one and what it shows us now.
Speaker 1: And then I want to jump into the flooding of
Speaker 1: the Mediterranean basement because that's the focus of today's program.
Speaker 1: But before we do that, so this is I want
Speaker 1: to do Google Maps, and I'll ask these questions again
Speaker 1: your theory on how the flood happened, and then get
Speaker 1: into specifics because if we go beyond Mediterranean basis will
Speaker 1: take hours.
Speaker 2: So let's go to Google. So they used to be
Speaker 2: called Google Maps Satellite View, and now we have Google.
Speaker 2: Now we have.
Speaker 1: Google Earth, Google Earth right, which is free, which is
Speaker 1: great because it used to be a four hundred bucks
Speaker 1: a month for it.
Speaker 2: It's great, it is a great I love it.
Speaker 1: So it's an amazing tool, all right.
Speaker 2: So any listener now it can go over double click
Speaker 2: or download double click get that programer. Excuse me, I
Speaker 2: guess I'm a PC guy. Double click on it to
Speaker 2: get it go and get started. And all they have
Speaker 2: to do in particular one, if someone wants to really
Speaker 2: get a look at these submerged rivers that I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: go to the Gulf of Alaska and there are some
Speaker 2: merged volcanoes. You can see a river that meandered between
Speaker 2: two submerged volcanoes. You can see how these rivers float
Speaker 2: out hundreds and hundreds of miles into what is now,
Speaker 2: you know, two miles under the sea level, the common
Speaker 2: Sea l So let the listener, I hope they'll take
Speaker 2: the time to go out and see just what's there
Speaker 2: and what's what inspired me to look into this problem.
Speaker 2: And what I found is that there's a huge error.
Speaker 2: It's a huge error. And so the question then becomes, well,
Speaker 2: when did the flood happen, and how did it happen,
Speaker 2: what caused it? And there's some really neat stuff here.
Speaker 2: So the flood happened twelve eight hundred years ago, So
Speaker 2: let's immediately state that that is ten thousand years before
Speaker 2: biblical time. Okay, so it's it's not a biblical issue.
Speaker 2: This is a scientific issue. Okay, everybody be clear on that. Okay,
Speaker 2: So now it happens twelve eight hundred years ago. There's
Speaker 2: a thing called the Younger Driest event. A bunch of
Speaker 2: scientists in the throughout the throughout the world got together
Speaker 2: in the early late nineteen hundreds early two thousands and
Speaker 2: they spent a lot of time doing investigation into this
Speaker 2: thing called the Younger Dryas effect. They know that it
Speaker 2: involved a cosmic impact because of these nanodiamonds. When you
Speaker 2: have a high velocity impact, they are these nanodiamonds that
Speaker 2: are created and they've been found pretty much all over
Speaker 2: the planet. Furthermore, in North America, they found a bunch
Speaker 2: of impact craters and they did the analysis, and these
Speaker 2: impact creators, these smaller impact creators, have been found data
Speaker 2: to twelve eight hundred years ago. They know that something
Speaker 2: like eighty percent of North American mammals weighing over eighty kilograms,
Speaker 2: I forget what that is in pounds, but eighty percent
Speaker 2: of them became extinct twelve eight years ago. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: So these geologists think that there was some kind of
Speaker 2: North American impact that led to these impact craters, that
Speaker 2: led to the nano diamonds, et cetera. But no, that's
Speaker 2: not what happened. What happened was a much larger object
Speaker 2: overflew North America what is now North America, overslew North America,
Speaker 2: South America, just barely crossed over Antarctica and hit in
Speaker 2: what is now the Southern Ocean to the southeast of Madagascar.
Speaker 2: There's one thousand there's one thousand mile long trough there
Speaker 2: that was carved by the massive dense core that served
Speaker 2: as a gravitational attractor out in the Oort cloud. And
Speaker 2: now now we're getting into comets and whatnot. But this
Speaker 2: object that delivered the flood was seen for many, many years.
Speaker 2: It was seen probably hundreds of years, as and it
Speaker 2: grew bigger and bigger.
Speaker 1: So the native people were talking about it as it
Speaker 1: was getting closer to the impact. Is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Oh, certainly. In fact, there's I don't know how to
Speaker 2: pronounce it. Go Becky Tapley, go Beckley Teppy. Yeah, thank you,
Speaker 2: go Beckley Teppe. That was an observatory. By the way,
Speaker 2: that observatory was two miles above the previous above the abyss.
Speaker 2: Why was it there. We'll talk about that in a
Speaker 2: couple of minutes. It has to do with the atmosphere
Speaker 2: that filled the abyss. But that the object that delivered
Speaker 2: the flood, and it has many names in different cultures.
Speaker 2: One of the names that it's known by Satan, something
Speaker 2: that changed our nature. We'll get to that. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about Adam and Eve. It's also Adam and Eve's story
Speaker 2: is a flood story, as is Noah in the arc.
Speaker 2: But were how do I get there? I'm getting old? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: We were talking about this, this trough that was created.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, okay, all right. So the object that delivered
Speaker 2: the flood has several names. Satan was one of them.
Speaker 2: Phaeton was probably the more cop phaet O, and Phaeton
Speaker 2: was its mark, so we'll refer to it as Pateon.
Speaker 2: So Peton would have been seen for many, many many
Speaker 2: years prior to its impact, and as it approached Earth,
Speaker 2: it would have looked like a snake. It's you've seen
Speaker 2: a commet with their long plumey the tails. This thing
Speaker 2: was enormous. It was fifteen hundred miles in diameter, loosely packed,
Speaker 2: and as it approached Earth that had this tremendously long
Speaker 2: tail that is recorded in history actually the Chinese New
Speaker 2: Year Dragon is a commemoration of this object, Payton. It's
Speaker 2: a serpentine above the a serpent above the clouds. It's
Speaker 2: orange and water emanates from its mouth. Neither it is
Speaker 2: there's Phaeton's remembrance or one of them. So this object
Speaker 2: makes its way to our solar system, gets caught in
Speaker 2: Earth's gravitational pull and hits the planet twelve eight hundred
Speaker 2: years ago. The impact crater or the impact you know,
Speaker 2: it was a big snowball basically hitting the Earth, and
Speaker 2: you know the trough carved a thousand miles of it,
Speaker 2: a fouth mile long trough carved by the object's solid core,
Speaker 2: and that course served as a gravitational attractor to bring
Speaker 2: in the ice particles and the dust particles that are
Speaker 2: consolidated around it. And finally something dislodged. This object made
Speaker 2: its way toward Boom. It hits the Earth and as
Speaker 2: that ice melts, it floods the planet from the Abyss upwards.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short break to allow our
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Speaker 1: my guest today, doctor Michael's Jay, talking about his paper
Speaker 1: on the flooding of the Mediterranean Basin and all the
Speaker 1: details having to do with how the flood worked. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back. My guest today is doctor Michael Jay
Speaker 1: who's written a paper called the Flooding of the Mediterranean
Speaker 1: Basis based on a book that he wrote called The
Speaker 1: Global Flood. And this is an opportunity to understand just
Speaker 1: how devastating the flood was.
Speaker 2: And also, if.
Speaker 1: You're really interested, go to Google Earth, download the app
Speaker 1: and see the Mediterranean basin and the references that he
Speaker 1: is providing you in this podcast. I'm sorry, atlease, stop
Speaker 1: you just for a second. So if it's one hundred
Speaker 1: years as it's coming to the impact.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's more than that. It took from where this
Speaker 2: object was to its impact, took something like fifty seven
Speaker 2: thousand years to get it.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so they've been watching it.
Speaker 2: For John Field, the ancients, the humans at that time,
Speaker 2: everyone on the planet would have seen this thing at night.
Speaker 1: Everyone did according to geology geological record that you have uncovered.
Speaker 1: Was this a one time impact or was it slowly
Speaker 1: an impact causing the trough?
Speaker 2: No? No, hits no, no, it is just one big
Speaker 2: object fifteen hundred miles in diameter. It's ice dust. They're
Speaker 2: loosely packed, and this thing hits the In fact, it
Speaker 2: actually started splitting in two at impact, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: it caused earthquakes. And because of the heat sink. I mean,
Speaker 2: this stuff, this ice was as cold as it is
Speaker 2: out close to it's very cold out there, and immediate
Speaker 2: heat sink and that ice melts because it used to
Speaker 2: be really warm here, and that ice floods the planet
Speaker 2: from the abyss upwards. That's important blood.
Speaker 1: So the impact is immediate, which means immediate death of megafauna,
Speaker 1: and whatever humanity is on the planet pretty much gets
Speaker 1: wiped out too, right, Yes.
Speaker 2: Very good. So we humans we are not. We are
Speaker 2: not from presently exposed landscapes. That's one of the big things.
Speaker 2: There are no humans indigenous to where we are now.
Speaker 2: Why because we are adapted to the abyss. The abyss.
Speaker 2: So you take away two miles of water, the atmosphere
Speaker 2: falls down into the abyss. That leads the higher atmosphereic pressure,
Speaker 2: the absence of the heat sink. Well, golly, the naked
Speaker 2: humans right right, What was it like down there before
Speaker 2: the flood, Well, it was warm enough that we could
Speaker 2: go around furless creature. Wait wait, let's make a comment
Speaker 2: now about our simian relatives that we encounter after the flood.
Speaker 2: So they are from landscapes that are more than two
Speaker 2: miles above where we were. So you go up to miles,
Speaker 2: the temperature difference is more than fifty degrees fahrenheit. It's
Speaker 2: colder up there, right, So they needed for all the
Speaker 2: animals up where we are now, they needed fur right
Speaker 2: to survive. We didn't have fur because it was hot
Speaker 2: down there, right, So we evolved in a in landscape.
Speaker 2: In fact, we can now account for the difference in
Speaker 2: human skin pigmentations. So light skin humans are from latitudes
Speaker 2: that are further away from from abyssal landscapes that are
Speaker 2: further away from the equator than darker skinned humans who
Speaker 2: were more equatorial regions but nonetheless below I called the abyss.
Speaker 2: There was no common sea level back then. Some people think, oh,
Speaker 2: Mike is saying there were no o shits. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that either. If you take away two miles of water,
Speaker 2: there was a large Pacific ocean. That's where we get
Speaker 2: most of our whales. But you know they have now,
Speaker 2: their habitat has expanded, you know, what one hundredfold since
Speaker 2: the flood. But we humans are not from where we
Speaker 2: are now. We humans are from landscapes that are under
Speaker 2: two miles of water. It nearly killed our species. We
Speaker 2: can do some, you know, some prior to modern medicine.
Speaker 2: So if we took an estimate of the population in
Speaker 2: eighteen hundred and we have estimates for the population in
Speaker 2: year zero, we can get an exponential growth rate. And
Speaker 2: then we can back propagate that to twelve eight hundred
Speaker 2: years before present, and you take high ends low ends,
Speaker 2: you get an average the number of humans that survived
Speaker 2: this event. Somewhere between ten thousand to twenty thousand humans
Speaker 2: worldwide survived this.
Speaker 1: So they must have been at a high ground, is what
Speaker 1: you're suggesting, Jimmy. I.
Speaker 2: So some were chased, some some may have survived being
Speaker 2: chased upward. Some from the Pacific basin may have been
Speaker 2: lucky enough to survive up to what was formerly a
Speaker 2: volcano or once a volcano, but they're up to or
Speaker 2: once mountains are now just barely exposed hilltops. Yeah, under
Speaker 2: the or in the Pacific. There are some humans that
Speaker 2: escaped upward the big the big region that helped many
Speaker 2: of us was the Mediterranean basin. So what happens, So
Speaker 2: now we get some of the paper again, what happened
Speaker 2: in the Mediterranean was that the flood was you know,
Speaker 2: the flood waters were the object hit starts melting. You know,
Speaker 2: a month or two later, those waters are getting close
Speaker 2: to the level of the Strait of Gibraltar up to
Speaker 2: that time. So let's taste. Let's say it's forty days
Speaker 2: and forty nights, just to be consistent with a particular
Speaker 2: story the people living down in the Mediterranean. We had
Speaker 2: humans in the Mediterranean, no question about it.
Speaker 1: How far below we're talking a mile, it's.
Speaker 2: A little bit. It's a little bit less than two.
Speaker 1: Miles, two miles. It's a little bit less than from
Speaker 1: the Google maps, because when you go to the Google map,
Speaker 1: you're actually showing the former land edge of the of
Speaker 1: the land mass to the water.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to Google ears right now, I can
Speaker 2: get to the Mediterranean. So the western Mediterranean, I'm certain
Speaker 2: there were humans there, and also the eastern Mediterranean, and
Speaker 2: there's a you can kind of see the hum and
Speaker 2: where all these things there we go. So the depth
Speaker 2: right here is twenty four hundred meters, so let's call
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred meters. What is that a little bit
Speaker 2: more than a mile and a half.
Speaker 1: A mile and a half is where the original land
Speaker 1: form was.
Speaker 2: Well, no, that's where the original No, no, that's where
Speaker 2: the water level was in the Mediterranean. Okay, so it's
Speaker 2: twenty excuse me, roughly a mile and a half below
Speaker 2: where the current water level is. There was once a
Speaker 2: see there, and we are you.
Speaker 1: Saying that they had about a month before to survive.
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is that the people in the Mediterranean,
Speaker 2: so they saw this object go by, right, they probably
Speaker 2: felt the earthquakes. And now you know the water hasn't
Speaker 2: gotten to the Strait of Gibraltar yet. The water is rising.
Speaker 2: It's outside of the Mediterranean. It's filling the Atlantic, it's
Speaker 2: filling the Pacific. Oh, here comes this water level during
Speaker 2: that time. And I'm just kind of being he's just
Speaker 2: playful to say, let's call it forty days and forty
Speaker 2: nights of rain. Right, we have forty days and forty
Speaker 2: nights of changing weather. Right, it would have been really cold,
Speaker 2: right because we have this huge heat sink that just
Speaker 2: plopped onto the planet. And no doubt it's raining with
Speaker 2: all that new humidity. So finally the waters starts spilling
Speaker 2: through the Strait of Gibraltar down into the Mediterranean base
Speaker 2: of where these humans are. Right, So they're gonna think that, oh,
Speaker 2: it's those forty days of rain that caused the flood, right,
Speaker 2: that's not it's not what happened. But that's when. That's
Speaker 2: when the med flooded was twelve eight hundred years ago,
Speaker 2: just after the object hit, you know, two weeks, three
Speaker 2: weeks for who knows, forty days, let's call it after
Speaker 2: the impact, until the melt got that high. I think
Speaker 2: it must have been longer, but let's just say for
Speaker 2: the heck talk that it was forty days.
Speaker 1: Okay, So our people, our people obviously in a panic
Speaker 1: and they're in survival farmable. I think, what did you
Speaker 1: say before you think ten thousand total people may survived
Speaker 1: the total earthwide flood. There must have been thousands of
Speaker 1: people in that Mediterranean basin that had a heads up
Speaker 1: enough to get out of there or maybe.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but some of them were probably in craft, right,
Speaker 2: some of them probably had some crafts like Noah. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about Noah. Right, So let's say that these people
Speaker 2: who had operated sea bearing earth. Yeah, maybe there was commerce.
Speaker 2: Who knows what was going on in the pre flood
Speaker 2: western Mediterranean basin, but there probably were boats and those
Speaker 2: are lucky people to survive. So they survived, and so
Speaker 2: that makes air a rat. It makes it you know,
Speaker 2: Sardinia could be creked, makes it one of the islands,
Speaker 2: large island in uh, in the Mediterranean. Some people think
Speaker 2: the error ats you know, where Noah's arc landed was
Speaker 2: somewhere in Turkey. That's garbage. Uh, it's probably one of
Speaker 2: the islands in the in the Mediterranean. And that kind
Speaker 2: of gets us to the animals too. So think about this.
Speaker 2: So we humans are chased upward out of our natural domains.
Speaker 2: The lucky survivors find themselves confrig it. It's cold. They
Speaker 2: have to find some way of getting warm.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Think about the other animals that were chased up right,
Speaker 2: they're chased up and out of So that's where the
Speaker 2: animals two by two, some of these animals, some of
Speaker 2: their mates, you know, they're the only survivors. Well, they
Speaker 2: become extinct. Others get eaten because there are carnivores in
Speaker 2: this set. Right, So there's all this turmoil about animals.
Speaker 2: So somehow the two by two, I think that that
Speaker 2: two by two has to do with those that could
Speaker 2: find mates, could reproduce. So that story has just been
Speaker 2: you know, changed over time. But in the immediate pre
Speaker 2: flood era time, it would have just been horrendous for
Speaker 2: a human being. Uh there, just think about walking they
Speaker 2: we didn't wear shoes, probably in our pre flood domains
Speaker 2: where we were adapted. That's that's really hard for for
Speaker 2: us to kind of comprehend. So there's a big takeaway.
Speaker 2: That's one of the big takeaways from my work. We
Speaker 2: are an ill adapted species to the pope. We are
Speaker 2: ill adapted to the post flow ecosystem, and all of
Speaker 2: our environmental abuses are a consequence of trying to create
Speaker 2: environments where we can be properly adapted. These houses, clothed,
Speaker 2: all of this stuff. Everything we do is that the
Speaker 2: fact that we're called you social, we have our little niches,
Speaker 2: we were like ants. We are helping these species survive.
Speaker 2: We have no concept of this because we are so
Speaker 2: we think this is natural. We think that all humans
Speaker 2: have been living this way. It's garbage for twelve eight
Speaker 2: hundred years. We have been foiling against nature. We used
Speaker 2: to be a part of nature. Now we are not.
Speaker 2: We are fighting against nature.
Speaker 4: So let's you know, it's kind of fun, you know,
Speaker 4: I get to it's one of my my niches is
Speaker 4: to sit awake at night and to think about what
Speaker 4: was it like in pre flood earth? You know, where
Speaker 4: did we live? How did we live where there? What
Speaker 4: do we have predators?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Talk for a minute about your understanding that go Beckley Tappy.
Speaker 1: Perhaps Karrahan Tappy. These giant stone steely or teas have
Speaker 1: evidence or record this massive impact.
Speaker 2: So so let's talk about Go Beckley Tappy. Why? So
Speaker 2: first of all, why is it located where it is? Right?
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's in present day Turkey, which puts it
Speaker 2: well above where we were from. Right, it's at least
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred a mile and a half above where
Speaker 2: humans were. Now why is that? Well, if you go
Speaker 2: up to a mountain here, let's say the Colorado Rockies
Speaker 2: and look up at the stars, right, you see so
Speaker 2: many more stars because there's less atmospheric interference attenuation. So
Speaker 2: where we were before the flood, we're way down in
Speaker 2: the abyss, and this atmosphere is attenuating star White Well,
Speaker 2: where you're going to put a place to observe the star,
Speaker 2: where you're going to go up. And I'm sure they
Speaker 2: spent lots of time figuring out a place where they
Speaker 2: could be as adapted as possible. They probably had to
Speaker 2: get clothing, They probably created shelters, right, They had to
Speaker 2: do that, And they were there for a long time
Speaker 2: as an observatory. They're watching the skies because you get
Speaker 2: a clear view. Maybe they started when they started seeing
Speaker 2: this object making its way into our solar system Faetan,
Speaker 2: but they certainly all of the snake images they're they're
Speaker 2: all references to Faeton and the Vulture Stone. I don't
Speaker 2: know a whole lot about this, Go Beckley Teppee, but
Speaker 2: I do know, I do know. I will assert I
Speaker 2: don't know for certain, I will assert that it is
Speaker 2: located where it is because it was far enough above
Speaker 2: the pre flood domain of whoever was that established it
Speaker 2: where they could observe the nighttime skies better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know who the people are who created
Speaker 1: Go Beckley Teppee. We just apparently they just found a
Speaker 1: petrified human skull, which shows you that's pretty damn old.
Speaker 1: If it's petrified from bone to stone right there. But
Speaker 1: what I was curious about in your your take on
Speaker 1: is that if this impact was a sudden, how quickly
Speaker 1: was the flooding. Was it massive tsunamis or just quick?
Speaker 5: Uh, it's all this is an it's an almost an
Speaker 5: incomprehensible amount of water that was delivered.
Speaker 2: It started melting immediately. Uh. You can actually see some
Speaker 2: of the rivula. Let's set the uh, waters carved heading
Speaker 2: north easterly toward India from the impact area, So it's
Speaker 2: filling a base in there. And then if it would
Speaker 2: have filled to the south of Africa, make its way
Speaker 2: into the Atlantic, then over to the Pacific, eventually we
Speaker 2: have a common water level and eventually it keeps rising
Speaker 2: and and then it gets to the Mediterranean, it gets
Speaker 2: to the level of the straight at Gibraltar. Then the
Speaker 2: Mediterranean fails. And that's an interesting period. So there. Recently,
Speaker 2: remnants of a camp site were found in off the
Speaker 2: coast of the Pacific coast of North America. And the
Speaker 2: Haida were noted seafarers. So these are people Haida Guay.
Speaker 2: They they were noted seafarers. And what I lost my
Speaker 2: train of thought again golly, I apologize. Oh, we're talking
Speaker 2: about the sea level rising, right, So the sea level
Speaker 2: rising to the sea level, and once it gets to
Speaker 2: the level of the Mediterranean, the Mediterranean starts filling. Outside
Speaker 2: of the Mediterranean, the level remains the same. There's a pause,
Speaker 2: all right. So now, if you're one of these survivors
Speaker 2: outside of the Mediterranean, you're in a boat somewhere, you
Speaker 2: look for the nearest island, You establish a campsite, and
Speaker 2: it looks like it looks like we may have the
Speaker 2: waters may have stopped. But what happens the Mediterranean floods.
Speaker 2: It takes a while for the men to completely flood,
Speaker 2: and the sea level has not attained its highest its
Speaker 2: present state yet, And sure enough, there's more that comes.
Speaker 2: So it's about one hundred and twenty meters or so,
Speaker 2: and sure enough they found remnants of a campsite about
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty meters down that from the height
Speaker 2: to guide. And so they had to get back in
Speaker 2: their boats, and then they made their way up to
Speaker 2: the Pacific Northwest, where their legend still holds that they
Speaker 2: are survivors from the flood.
Speaker 1: Wow, hey, in your in your Google maps that you
Speaker 1: present in this paper the flooding of the Mediterranean. Are
Speaker 1: you are you theorizing that the area that under water,
Speaker 1: which is almost two miles there was actual buildings and
Speaker 1: ruins down there.
Speaker 2: Oh see, that's great, that's a great question. So now, okay,
Speaker 2: so if we are perfectly adapted, we're a creature that
Speaker 2: is adapted for its domain. Do we have a need
Speaker 2: for cities? Do we have a need for building? No,
Speaker 2: what are we going to find down there? Well? Pretty
Speaker 2: much nothing other than the canals of Atlantis. Now there,
Speaker 2: Now let's talk about Plato. All right, So Plato and Christius.
Speaker 2: He gives us a description of the very detailed description
Speaker 2: of the canals of Atlantis he talks about in Stadia.
Speaker 2: And I talk about this in the paper, which I
Speaker 2: hope your readers will are your listeners will get a
Speaker 2: chance to look up it's freely available.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll make it available at the Earth Ancient Facebook page.
Speaker 1: We'll have download site belong to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, so I use the USGS, the US Geological
Speaker 2: Survey Map because Google. Google has actually erased shall we say,
Speaker 2: they did a thing called Kreegi. It was the in fact,
Speaker 2: even the newspaper article, the article describing what they did.
Speaker 2: I can't find it on the internet anymore, but is
Speaker 2: either the University of San Diego or University of California
Speaker 2: San Diego UCSD or USD. One of those two had
Speaker 2: an undergraduate or maybe a graduate student. They did an
Speaker 2: estimation technique called krieging, and they removed, they smeared, averaged
Speaker 2: away western portions of the canal system. So the Google
Speaker 2: Earth and Google Maps images of the canal system are
Speaker 2: not as good as those that one can find at
Speaker 2: the US Geological Survey Map, which actually served as an
Speaker 2: original basis for the Google Maps. Google go about removing
Speaker 2: averaging away these things, I don't know, but to make
Speaker 2: it back to protecting a narrative, I don't know, and
Speaker 2: I don't mean to impute motives, but frankly, right, they
Speaker 2: can't be they must be artifacts, right, yeah, because they
Speaker 2: can't be human made because there was never a flood.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 1: with my guest today, Michael J discussing the Great flood
Speaker 1: of the Earth, our planet on the podcast today. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back with you. I guess today is doctor
Speaker 1: Michael j who has written a paper on the flooding
Speaker 1: of the Mediterranean Basin based on the worldwide flood that
Speaker 1: he chronicles in his book The Great Worldwide Flood. We're
Speaker 1: getting details on just how important this information is and
Speaker 1: also a great reference and a great opportunity for you
Speaker 1: to download Google Earth, which is free onto your computer
Speaker 1: to see up close and personal exactly what we're talking
Speaker 1: about today. Also, this information will be available on Earth
Speaker 1: Ancients Facebook page. Go to Facebook, go to Earth Ancients
Speaker 1: and see the paper that you can download, but also
Speaker 1: the map app that shows how far how high the
Speaker 1: water rose during the Great Flood. I mean, I've seen these.
Speaker 1: They're very They're obviously artificial, these canals. Oh no, there's
Speaker 1: no talk about where are they located? Okay, So if.
Speaker 2: They are one thousand miles west southwest of the Straight
Speaker 2: at Gibraltar, in a place called the Madeira abyssle Plane
Speaker 2: m A d E I r A the Madeira byssele Plane,
Speaker 2: one thousand miles so there where they're supposed to be.
Speaker 2: They're out in the middle of the Atlantic. And Plato
Speaker 2: gives an incredible description that that the canal systems were rectangular,
Speaker 2: there were so many, Uh, there was such a distance apart,
Speaker 2: and that the total length of the canals were supposed
Speaker 2: to be ten thousand stadia. And I'll be done. I
Speaker 2: did the math. So I took measuring tool on Google Earth,
Speaker 2: and I mean Plato's description from the canals that I
Speaker 2: could see. I got ninety six one hundred stadia versus
Speaker 2: ten thousand. Not a bad guess, or yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: amazing that plate. And then you know, he finishes by saying,
Speaker 2: you know, and and uh, you know. And then after
Speaker 2: several earthquakes and the the city was lost in the
Speaker 2: Great Dailug. Sure enough, yes we lost we lost Atlantis
Speaker 2: in the flood. We lost a lot in the flood.
Speaker 1: So so give me two measurements. First of all, how
Speaker 1: deep is the canals?
Speaker 2: Uh? He says, I have a memorized one hundred feet.
Speaker 2: I want to say that it's the one hundred feet.
Speaker 1: Okay, and that's number one. And then, uh, what is
Speaker 1: the average length of one of these canals?
Speaker 2: Well, the total length is f mind. So I did
Speaker 2: everything in Stadia, which was the.
Speaker 1: US Plato's language.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does say they were they were excavated to
Speaker 2: one hundred feet and the breadth was the stadium, so
Speaker 2: it's two hundred yards a stadium. A stadia is about
Speaker 2: six hundred fet or two hundred yards, so they're two
Speaker 2: hundred yards wide one hundred feet dee, and they are
Speaker 2: about I want to I think it's supposed to be
Speaker 2: ten miles or so apart and they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I want to just ask you a
Speaker 1: really interesting question because, and by the way, those of
Speaker 1: you listening can see these graphs on the Facebook or
Speaker 1: the Ancients page, I'll put them up. It looks like
Speaker 1: they're artificially cut, like there was some machining done. Still perfect.
Speaker 1: What do you say about that?
Speaker 2: So, so just a quick question. It's somewhat, it's not,
Speaker 2: it's not. It's a rhetorical question. So, if you were
Speaker 2: to excavate to pull out these chunks from these square
Speaker 2: rectangular canals, what would you do with the stuff that
Speaker 2: came out? Where would you stack these? Thanks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd the mountains of dirt and crafts or pyramids?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, oh yeah, And so I believe that we
Speaker 2: can actually see what could be pyramids down there, But
Speaker 2: it's how did they excavate them? I have no idea
Speaker 2: they did they have modern technology cutting to I have
Speaker 2: no idea. In fact, it kind of gets to it,
Speaker 2: kind of brings up there's a thing called the fer
Speaker 2: Meat paradox. Enrico Fermi posed the question one time. He said,
Speaker 2: you know, there's a dichotomy, you know, he said, said,
Speaker 2: there's such a high probability that extraterrestrial intelligence exists, but
Speaker 2: why is it that we haven't encountered any right, and
Speaker 2: so it's kind of interesting to think about the reason
Speaker 2: that we are as technologically advanced as we are is
Speaker 2: because of the flood. The flood took us out of
Speaker 2: our natural environment. There was no need for technology. There
Speaker 2: was no need for anything other than to cut large
Speaker 2: stones out of canals that are going to bring water
Speaker 2: to our It's going to bring water to our our clan.
Speaker 2: That's the purpose. We humans needed fresh water, and so
Speaker 2: we were at fresh water sources in the Abyss prior
Speaker 2: to the flood. I believe that there are large clans
Speaker 2: of humans that span the Pacific. That's why there's such
Speaker 2: a DNA link between humans in Australia and humans in
Speaker 2: South America. There's there was no land. Now, listen, how
Speaker 2: about this hypothesis that that we're supposed to believe that
Speaker 2: in the middle of the last Ice Age, when the
Speaker 2: oceans were supposedly hundreds of feet below where they are,
Speaker 2: that ancients from Australia somehow made their way up northward
Speaker 2: during an Ice Age to the bearing straight cross the
Speaker 2: bearing straight down into North America and never leave the
Speaker 2: DNA trace to make their way into South America where
Speaker 2: we find their DNA link. It is absolute garbage. And
Speaker 2: yet we're suppose to believe that, now what happened was
Speaker 2: we humans were we had a clan of humans that
Speaker 2: occupied the Pacific basin from from the Orient to South
Speaker 2: America to the west coast of South America, and they
Speaker 2: were occupying places where they were fresh water. And I
Speaker 2: can't go much further than to say, you know, they
Speaker 2: lived there for a long time. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: Uh. Graham Hancock likes to say that as underwater archaeology develops,
Speaker 1: we're gonna unveil a whole different narrative on our past
Speaker 1: because we're gonna find these ruined cities and and evidence
Speaker 1: of very sophisticated man like like.
Speaker 2: Well, just just a quick comment on that. While I
Speaker 2: was still on the faculty in Monterey at the Naval
Speaker 2: Postgraduate School. I submitted a proposal to the International Ocean
Speaker 2: Discovery Program to recover the remnants of the core that
Speaker 2: served as the gravitational sink that caused one thousand mile
Speaker 2: long trough. To recover the core remnants from that. Now,
Speaker 2: who are the people that are staffing the International Ocean
Speaker 2: Discovery Program. Who are the people that have the equipment
Speaker 2: that can excavate down into the Abystle regions to draw
Speaker 2: up core samples? Well, it's submarines geomorphologists. So I submit
Speaker 2: this proposal and it's immediately not well anyway, It's spent
Speaker 2: about a week there, and I get a re Jackson
Speaker 2: letter that said, quote, it is thinking like this that
Speaker 2: move science forward, but it is so different from accepted
Speaker 2: geology that we have no choice but to disapprove.
Speaker 1: Wow, you said that.
Speaker 2: So I resubmitted it the next year, and I got
Speaker 2: a personal letter from the person who was then in
Speaker 2: charge of the IODP that said, don't you ever do
Speaker 2: this again? Like, Okay, I got an idea. What I'm
Speaker 2: up again? So in fact, the same people, the iod people,
Speaker 2: IODP people they recently in twenty and nineteen twenty twenty
Speaker 2: ish they published a paper where they found in core
Speaker 2: segments taken in the Bay of Bengal, they found wood chips,
Speaker 2: wood fragments that are millions of years apart. So they
Speaker 2: drilled this core sample down. It's a vertical sample, and
Speaker 2: they drilled down into what turns out to be an
Speaker 2: oxpode or the bank of a river. And they pull
Speaker 2: up this core and in this core are and they
Speaker 2: carbon date these samples. And these samples are millions of
Speaker 2: years apart. This core was drilled one thousand mile from
Speaker 2: where the Ganges enters into the Bay of Bengal. So
Speaker 2: we're supposed to somehow believe that somehow these core samples
Speaker 2: ascuse me, that these wood fragments make their way to
Speaker 2: the exact same spot millions of years apart, somehow sink
Speaker 2: and are then somehow covered by sediments in places where
Speaker 2: the velocities of the currents are like ten meters per second,
Speaker 2: are incapable of moving sediments big enough to cover these things.
Speaker 2: I mean, the contradictions involved in what they do. So
Speaker 2: I contacted the authors of that study and I said,
Speaker 2: and you can see the oxpos So this iodp ship,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's mapping the ocean floor, and you can
Speaker 2: see that they are following these ox bows, these meanders.
Speaker 2: They can they're following a river system, and you can
Speaker 2: even see how it gets deeper deeper deeper as they
Speaker 2: get further and further away the for the Ganges or
Speaker 2: for the entry into the Bay of Bengal. And so
Speaker 2: I contact the authors of this thing and I say,
Speaker 2: how is it that we can find by what process?
Speaker 2: Can we find oxpos and meanders under two miles of water?
Speaker 2: And the reply back was, well, that's exactly the question.
Speaker 2: And I just like, you got to be kidding me,
Speaker 2: you guys. So again, it gives you the idea of
Speaker 2: how influential no flood is. It perreates all of geology.
Speaker 2: It is what chance do I have? What chance does
Speaker 2: does a single guy have of influing this and the
Speaker 2: influencing this.
Speaker 1: And so as we conclude, Mike, what would be a
Speaker 1: breakthrough for you that would kind of open the door
Speaker 1: a little bit more to a understanding of a global flood?
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe even a mistake that some team
Speaker 1: a geologists make that was like, oh my god, look
Speaker 1: what we found. What would be the perfect solution to
Speaker 1: break free of this old paradigm.
Speaker 2: Well, there are two. Well, first of all, I honestly
Speaker 2: believe that that paper that was published in twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: that deals with the Bay of Bengal, and it's available
Speaker 2: at my website, I critique that paper rather that right
Speaker 2: there is sufficient evidence right there to undo any belief
Speaker 2: in the flood, and yet it hasn't done it. Another
Speaker 2: way would be for and there's a Naval Academy graduate
Speaker 2: who is an extremely wealthy human, and he's got a
Speaker 2: research craft, and I send him my paper. I sent
Speaker 2: him my book, and I said, you know, can you
Speaker 2: please go to the mediterrane or to the Madeira Bissle
Speaker 2: plane and send down your craft. Let's investigate the canals
Speaker 2: of Atlantis. So there it is, right, there is oh
Speaker 2: is to have a research craft go to those canals,
Speaker 2: go down and not just find canals. They're going to
Speaker 2: find pyramids on there because they stacked those blocks. And
Speaker 2: then well, finally, would be maybe one of your listeners,
Speaker 2: uh would be interested in contacting me, maybe through you,
Speaker 2: just to do a movie, because especially with AI coming about,
Speaker 2: I think that a movie of the mistake, you know,
Speaker 2: that would you kind of talk about you know, where
Speaker 2: we were, the mistake, what happened. You can see the
Speaker 2: just the anguish that surviving humans went through and all
Speaker 2: of the things that you know, even the survivors, you
Speaker 2: know you finally you get done surviving this thing and
Speaker 2: then you got to live.
Speaker 1: It must have been really tough.
Speaker 2: What do you eat? Right? Golly, it's it's just stunning.
Speaker 2: But anyway it would make it, it's a great story.
Speaker 1: Must have been a horrible trauma. Yes, people who went
Speaker 1: through Uh, Mike, really great. Have you on the program?
Speaker 1: Let's get people your website, it's the it's Theworldwide Flood
Speaker 1: dot com or all one word, all one word. And
Speaker 1: what's on the website? You got your papers that people
Speaker 1: can download or is it more just a uh.
Speaker 2: So, I have links to my paper as well as
Speaker 2: a paper that another paper that deals with another traumatic
Speaker 2: event to the Earth that created the continent. Basically geologists
Speaker 2: have that all screwed up. But we'll not talking about
Speaker 2: that today. But it's got a bunch of essays and
Speaker 2: pretty much everything that's in my book is somewhere on
Speaker 2: that website. There's a lot of really cool essays. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: it requires reading and people who go to websites kind
Speaker 2: of expect immediate gratification, and it's going to take you know,
Speaker 2: this is meant for people to read and think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, give us real quickly. As we conclude, what would
Speaker 1: you suggest people begin looking at? If they download Google
Speaker 1: Maps and they have it on their desktop, what would
Speaker 1: be a good place to start looking and to see
Speaker 1: these evidence of old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really it's really neat. So it's not coastlines,
Speaker 2: it's river So it's really so I would just look
Speaker 2: at north of look at the West coast and North America,
Speaker 2: begining the Gulf of Alaska. Make your way down California coast.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Prior to the flood, it rained in
Speaker 2: California all the time. It's why the hills around it.
Speaker 2: The Salinas Valley was once an inland lake and it
Speaker 2: drained through moss landing down and the velocity of that
Speaker 2: water falling two miles is what carved Monterey Canyon. And
Speaker 2: so that water made its way back out to what
Speaker 2: was then the smaller Pacific Ocean. And we get the
Speaker 2: cycle going right. So you have this the westward of
Speaker 2: the westerly flow of air. It hits the continent, it
Speaker 2: gets up lifted two miles, gets uplifted two miles, it
Speaker 2: condensed as falls as. It's so cool. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: really cool. So hey, then go to the east coast
Speaker 2: of North America. Look at the Hudson River. Now, the
Speaker 2: Hudson River, it's title right now, it's a title river.
Speaker 2: It's title all the way up to all but yeah,
Speaker 2: but you can see where the Hudson River wants float
Speaker 2: all the way down into the Abyss. You can see
Speaker 2: the car and you can see the Connecticut River, and
Speaker 2: it's just it's so cool. And then go over to
Speaker 2: the go to the Mediterranean and look at what I see.
Speaker 2: It's so obvious. Hey.
Speaker 1: Also, I know you talked about the canals of Atlanta's
Speaker 1: being wiped out. Are there any anomalies that you can
Speaker 1: suggest people go to that will show pyramids under the water,
Speaker 1: or no areas that are not necessarily been touched by
Speaker 1: the editors of the world.
Speaker 2: No, no, I frankly, it's speculation that there are pyramids there,
Speaker 2: but dog on it. Yeah, it's it's really fascinating to
Speaker 2: think what would you do if you're if you're creating
Speaker 2: this canal system to bring water to as many people
Speaker 2: in the Klan as possible. It's a great idea. So
Speaker 2: let's spend thousands of years creating this canal system. What
Speaker 2: are we going to do with these excavations? Yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: maybe we can learn to stack them. It's really fascinating.
Speaker 2: So there was.
Speaker 1: Doctor Michael j. It's been a pleasure as always, and
Speaker 1: I wanna thank you for your work, and I hope
Speaker 1: you can uh break down and and uh bring us
Speaker 1: another book before you leave the planet.
Speaker 2: Well, I really appreciate you having me back, Cliff, Uh,
Speaker 2: it's very kind to me.
Speaker 1: So I just want to reiterate the fact that this
Speaker 1: data is coming the bulk of it is coming from
Speaker 1: Google Earth. And this is a recent interview, but when
Speaker 1: he was working on this book, this is that was
Speaker 1: probably you know, seven eight years ago, and updates are
Speaker 1: more recent. But the data has constantly been changing. And
Speaker 1: one of the things he made a good point is
Speaker 1: that you had to go to a geological USGA I
Speaker 1: might be USGS USGGS website and look at their map,
Speaker 1: because they're not editing in quite the same manner. I
Speaker 1: have seen people have sent me screen captures of Google
Speaker 1: Earth and underwater pyramids anomalies. Off the coast of Belize,
Speaker 1: Central America, there's a number of ruined cities there. There's
Speaker 1: also ruined cities in off the coast of the Yucatan
Speaker 1: on the Caribbean side, and they're very clear when you
Speaker 1: look at the earlier versions. I can't say that there
Speaker 1: is a conspiracy because if I start saying that they're
Speaker 1: wiping clean various areas of Google earth Maps, then that
Speaker 1: sounds like there's a concerted effort to remove evidence of
Speaker 1: an ancient civilization or earlier periods. I still believe that
Speaker 1: this is happening on the planet Mars, because you can
Speaker 1: go to Google Mars and see a whole bunch of areas,
Speaker 1: including Sidonia, quite clearly, and they are constantly erasing evidence
Speaker 1: of temples and pyramids and ruins. A lot of it
Speaker 1: gets through because the planet was populated by thousands or
Speaker 1: millions of people. But when it comes to Google Earth,
Speaker 1: there is questions about why. At one point the Google
Speaker 1: earth Maps were exposing ruins, underwater ruins on the planet,
Speaker 1: and they seem to disappear in some cases, the real
Speaker 1: obvious ones disappear, So you know, I mean, you gotta
Speaker 1: wonder what the deal is why they would do that,
Speaker 1: you know, holding up the cause, the status quo, holding
Speaker 1: up the tenure of certain professors in universities who need
Speaker 1: to be paid. I can tell you stories about certain
Speaker 1: professors once they left the university who are going no.
Speaker 1: I mean it's really like this, not like that of
Speaker 1: the most famous one is Michael Cole, the famous mayaanis
Speaker 1: who who basically acknowledged that the Asian pyramids were very
Speaker 1: similar to the Mayan pyramids. And I think the question
Speaker 1: was was there a blueprint that was passed on to
Speaker 1: the Central and South America and Mexico, And the answer
Speaker 1: is pretty much yes, there was diffusion exists, the exchange
Speaker 1: of culture exchange. I mean, this is one of the
Speaker 1: big ones that Earth Ancients is supporting, which yeah, is
Speaker 1: that there is multicultural exchange, that the Mayas, the Maya
Speaker 1: population and its beginnings were multicultural. You see Asiatic types,
Speaker 1: you see Caucasian types, you see African centric types. In Mexico.
Speaker 1: You can't get even our own ed Barnhart won't admit
Speaker 1: day He's like, oh no, no, they naturally came that way.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not that at all.
Speaker 1: In fact, that's the big problem and I talk about
Speaker 1: this a lot. If you go to China and their
Speaker 1: academic world, if you go to India, you'll hear a
Speaker 1: different version of history. You hear a much older, much clearer,
Speaker 1: much more reasonable sense of what our history is all about.
Speaker 1: If you go to Western culture, it's all about us
Speaker 1: and that's nothing. There's no one else, no other version
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: Earth Ancients for you. Well, I help you enjoy that again.
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Speaker 2: It's free.
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Speaker 1: on our planet. And the global flood is on one
Speaker 1: version of many, many, many things.
Speaker 2: That have happened. So I hope you like that.
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