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got Lane Allo stepping up to the mic Lane Train.

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How the heck are you, Buddy good Man. That's good

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to be here, Great to have you. Great to talk

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some ball with you today. Let's start off with some

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bway you hoops his march madness. Who's getting closer and closer?

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This BAYU men's basketball team has been, as we've deemed it,

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a little bit of jeckle in. Hide the ups and downs,

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the undulations. I know you went out to the call

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you went to the Colorado game up to that point,

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that was the worst showing. So some people felt going

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into ot versus a team that you know you probably

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should have beat handily. And then the Bou basketball team said, hey,

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you know what, hold my root beer. I showed you

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what what we're capable of versus Iowa State. Now I'm

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gonna show you what we're really capable of. On the

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low end, getting into the dregs of it versus UCF.

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It was piss poor. Obviously, there's a number of things

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you can criticize, but what team will show up on Saturday?

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Do you think give me overall your overall I guess

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opinions With this Bou basketball team.

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Speaker 4: Going into the season, expectations were so high. I mean,

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anytime you bring in the number one high school recruit,

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you have very very high expectations.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 4: And so it's been a huge letdown to have some

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of these games where it's like, you know, you pencil

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that in on the calendar. It's like, Okay, there's a win,

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there's a win.

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Speaker 3: There's a win.

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Speaker 4: I mean, after that Iowa State game, what there's four

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games I guess now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Games left? Yeah, and you're like, oh, this is doable,

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Like we could we could win out the rest of

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the season. I think Texas Tech is our last game

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at home or something like that. Yep, and without JT

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Top and it's like, okay, maybe maybe we get four

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more wins all of a sudden, Like our conference schedule looks.

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Speaker 3: You were very optimistic about that back end.

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Speaker 2: You're like, hey, we could win out, we get maybe

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even better seeding than a six or five seed.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, but it's it's very difficult to diagnose what's

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going on with this team right now. I mean this

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last game against UCF, it literally looked like they were

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completely disinterested. Like it looks like entirely there are two

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different teams from Iowa State to this one, and you

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never know, like there might be some stuff going on

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in the background that just hasn't made it out or whatever.

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I have no idea what the locker room is like

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right now, and things like that. But yeah, it is

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very apparent that we have no idea what version of

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the team's gonna gonna show up.

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Speaker 2: Once upon a time, it was a little bit of

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a faux pas to a degree to to criticize vocally,

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you know, at the at the game or on social media. Players, Right,

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these are student athletes. These student athletes, they rep the

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y and you know, they're just they're loyal, strong and true.

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We need to be loyal, strong and to them. They're

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part of the family. And but now with n I

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l is it okay to boo a player?

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Speaker 3: Is it okay?

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Speaker 2: I mean we've always booed coaches for coaches decisions, whether

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it's at you know, most more often not the football

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fans will boo the coaches and the team at the

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at lavel. It's a little less likely at.

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Speaker 3: The marriage center. Maybe it's a little bit more intimate,

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et cetera.

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Speaker 2: But but coaches are more likely to get booed in

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the in the uh, the former era, uh than they

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are maybe even in the present era. I don't know,

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but it seems like buy fans were out and about

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ready to boo the team due to their lack of effort.

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You noticed one guy in particular was maybe dogging at

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all a little bit. Yeah, is it fair to boo

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number one? And uh, what do you make of some

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of the lack of effort versus you see a well.

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Speaker 4: I mean, at some point we got to stop treating

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these guys like they're that they're just student athletes. I

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mean now in today's age, they're getting paid millions of dollars.

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Speaker 3: So these are paid professionals.

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Speaker 4: They are for all intents and purposes, they are paid professionals.

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It sucks that they're also happened to be eighteen, nineteen,

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twenty years old or whatever. Yeah, But at the same time,

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like if if you are getting paid to do a

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certain job and being paid very handsomely, when we don't

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like the result is the result? Right, Like if if

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they lose that game, but they play their heart out,

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it's like we can still cheer for that. Yeah, but

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it's when there is an obvious lack of effort and energy.

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And I'm assuming you're referring to Rob as the individual

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who was dogging it or whatever you want to say.

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He looked different and before before the show, you and

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I were talking there might be something else going on there.

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We we have no idea. I mean, you hear about

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this kind of stuff with athletes all the time, but

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he did not look like himself played really well during

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that Iowa State game. This game, it was not the

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same the same Rob, right and and aj for that

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is the same way. I mean, AJ looked like the

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number one draft pick a generation versus Iowa State against

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against UCF. I don't know if it was the game plan.

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I mean, I know he was hunting for those those

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fouls and stuff like that. Sure, and they weren't getting called,

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which is frustrating. But like overall, the team did not

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play well. You did see a couple of guys step

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it up, which is which is nice to see the

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but yeah, it was. It was. It was painful to

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watch and and we're expecting more.

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Speaker 3: No doubt about it. Let's transition springball. Key storylines.

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Speaker 2: You're a fan, you're a massive fan of this bway

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you Cougar football team. What are the key storylines for you?

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What's the key storyline for you? And if you go

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down to practice with us, Hey, what are you looking at?

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Speaker 3: First? Are you sizing up the newcomers? Are you looking

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at the defense?

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Speaker 2: You're looking at the offense, You're looking at QB two,

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RB two, You're looking at the new tight ends, maybe

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with Walker lines, Roger Salthleyapaga, because you love twelve personnel?

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Speaker 3: What is it.

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Speaker 4: A lot of those things that you mentioned. I think

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I'm also really interested in what the offensive line is

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going to look like. Yeah, you know, you got three

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guys coming in three right, three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Pockey Fee, now Junior Sia and Zak Yamauchi. So

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you have Pockey from Washington, Zach from Stanford, and then

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So, and those are guys who I think, as

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of right now are probably projected in the two deep.

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We saw that last year against Texas Tech. We had

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we had a good offensive line, probably one of the

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best offensive lines we've had maybe ever, probably top five. However,

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we also know that it wasn't good enough, and so

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they're bringing in three more guys to kind of reinforce

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that that line, and that made the biggest difference against

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specifically Texas Tech. We just didn't have the guys there

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to compete with the likes of, you know, a very expensive,

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albeit and fantastic defensive line of Texas Tech.

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Speaker 3: Ye, so and run four or five ones.

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Speaker 4: Those guys were, yeah, just absolute animals.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: So that's one thing that I'm really interested in just

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seeing how quickly they can they can become a unit. Obviously,

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wide receiver is another thing that I'm I'm very interested

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in seeing what happens, and I'll lump the tight ends

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with them as well. Do we start seeing some more

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you know, uh sets with with two tight ends this season?

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Which would be very very interesting because we feel like

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we haven't had a lot of tight ends that could

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with Carson Ryan for a number of years since Isaac

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potentially could be that would be very interesting to see

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those two guys on the field. Uh, And that'd be

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a really fun offense to watch. But yeah, who's gonna

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room to be that like definitive number one? Because we

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don't got that well, that guy wasn't on the team

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last year, right, And so who is that gonna be

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this year? Is at Kyle Casper? Is it Jojo Phillips?

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Is it one of these younger guys. So that's something

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that I'm interested in. And then yeah, I'd love to

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see Whereon is at with his recovery. Is he gonna

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be the same sion A after this? Is it gonna

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be one of these stud freshmen that comes in that

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that can be RB two. Other than that, like, it'll

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be exciting just to see all these these new players

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and there's not really that many. But who's gonna be

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that guy who takes that next step?

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Speaker 2: Definitely some great intriguing storylines is Camp Kalani kicks off

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twenty twenty six. My favorite storyline right now what the

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defense is looking like under Kelly Papinga and Lewis Clark

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and Tomorio Warren.

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Speaker 3: Because the one I'm most concerned about is the secondary.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how does this secondary transition with the new coaching

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staff on the back end? Because you lose j you

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lose Gennaro, you lose Gavin. A lot of people don't

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talk about Gavin Fowler. He was essentially the assistant coach,

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managing day to day operations at the safety room. So

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is there going to be a drop off there or

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does de Mario and Louis Clark and the crew they

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if they take that baton and keep running with it,

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let's transition over the NFL combine. Jack Kelly, Okay, had

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: What's crazy is well, I knew Jack Kelly was a freak,

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and I continue to talk about it over the last

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week or so. I told you that he would improve

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his draft stock from the combine and at his pro

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day because he's a freak athlete, call him juggernaut for

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a reath, Jack Kelly at the Juggernaut he can run.

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Speaker 3: He ended up running a four five seven.

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Speaker 2: I said, if he got into the four fives, he's

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going to livate his draft draft stock draft stocks significantly,

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and we saw that on display. At two hundred and

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forty pounds, he came in a little bit lighter than

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Friday machine six foot two two forty uh pretty good

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arm length, decent sized hands, and UH had a good

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ten yards played, good get off, thirty seven inch vertical,

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three cone, and then a four point one nine twenty

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Speaker 3: Really good.

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Speaker 2: That's tied for first amongst all linebacker and edge players

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who tested out yesterday at that four point one nine,

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really good. The fastest three cone was actually Jacob Rodriguez

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and he got sub seven seven seconds, which is tremendous

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at that height that weight.

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Speaker 3: So his relative athletics score. We have had.

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Speaker 2: Math Bomb Matt Laddie on the show many times, and

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and the the NFL Pro Days. But his relative athletics

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score versus all their linebackers they ever participate at the

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combine nine point eighty three rascor out of ten. That,

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my friends, between his heightweight and his athleticism, the vertical,

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the broad, the forty, his ten yard split, twenty yard.

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Speaker 3: Split, that's elite of the elite guys. That that's this

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is some of the best.

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Speaker 2: Uh this is one of the best ROS scores ever

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by any BYU athlete. Other guys that have had really

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good ROS scores or guys like Ziggyanza, I think Dandy

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Sorenson actually had a really good a really good ROS

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score and h And like I said, we'll get math

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weeks to come. But uh man, yeah, out of this

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ranked per math Bombing himself. He tweeted this out yesterday.

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This ranked fifty seven out of three and fifteen linebackers

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that have participated in Pro Days or the NFL Combine

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from nineteen eighty seven to twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: That's an insane number. You're in the you're in the

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top sixty all time athletically.

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Speaker 2: And now granted, let me I'll give a little bit

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of credence here to some of the objective data points

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that have how tests have been done.

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Speaker 3: Some of these are you know, maybe this is the

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forty times maybe.

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Speaker 2: More accurate in the modern era than the prior era.

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Speaker 3: So going back to like nineteen eighty seven, a lot

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of this is hand time.

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Speaker 2: But you know, vertical pretty close, broad pretty close, even

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the pro the pro agority or the the you know

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bench press is typically you know, also you know on

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point he didn't bench because he had a shoulder surgery.

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Right anyway, Jack Kelly elevated his draft stock. How many

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rounds is the question. And because he was productive and

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we were very productive at BYU for the most part,

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stayed healthy and fought through injuries. You know, even after

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he dislocates his shoulder, he pops it back in, he

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sits out one game and he's back. That shows a

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lot of fortitude, mental grit, and that he can play

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through injury. You're never fully healthy when you're playing football.

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I've never gone through a season where I'm fully healthy.

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You'll never go through a season where you're not. They

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have some nick Deans, bruises, strange sprayings, all of it.

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So when you see this, you know, I think he

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he elevated his draft stock, maybe by by two rounds.

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I think going into it, he was kind of a

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late round maybe fifth, sixth, seventh. I think he's propelled

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himself and maybe undrafted free agent. I think he's propelled

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himself into a mid round, you know, maybe even Day

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two guy, Jack Kelly, congratulations.

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Speaker 3: We'll see how it plays out.

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Speaker 2: Remember he's out of he's a little bit younger because

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he didn't serve a mission. You're not not your traditional

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guy coming out of Brigham. So I don't think they're

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gonna knock They're not gonna knock him on the age.

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts, Lane, I think.

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Speaker 4: We all knew he was good. I think that this

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the NFL. And linebackers are such an important piece in

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Speaker 3: I think you will.

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