1
00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,799
Speaker 1: For well, Hello there, and welcome in to a different

2
00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,039
version of the Fight Freaks Unite Recap podcast. Because there

3
00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:14,400
wasn't really a meaningful main event, not just in the US,

4
00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,600
but worldwide this weekend, we decided to get a little

5
00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,519
creative with a couple of different interviews that we're gonna

6
00:00:20,519 --> 00:00:22,600
have that you're going to very much enjoy. By the way,

7
00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,519
I'm your somewhat capable host TJ. Reeves. The insider Dan

8
00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,079
Rayfiel will be with us in a few moments with

9
00:00:27,199 --> 00:00:29,760
Eric Gomez, an interview that he just had within the

10
00:00:29,839 --> 00:00:33,560
last couple of days off of the Golden Boy Latino

11
00:00:33,679 --> 00:00:37,840
Knights show that took place in Read, Saudi Arabia, part

12
00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,640
of the Read season promotions and co promoting with Oscar

13
00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,280
de la Hoya's promotion and Eric Gomez is the president

14
00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,759
of Golden Boy Promotions. He'll talk about Zerdo Ramirez winning

15
00:00:48,439 --> 00:00:52,359
the Unified Cruiserweight Championship over Chris billm Smith, number one

16
00:00:52,439 --> 00:00:56,079
contender at lightweight, William Zepaida had some problems in a

17
00:00:56,079 --> 00:01:00,719
close fight with Tevin Farmer. Also a couple of other

18
00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:06,200
interesting fights on that card as well. Oscar Duarte with

19
00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,480
his victory early on in that card, so some of

20
00:01:08,519 --> 00:01:12,719
the different Golden Boy fighters etc. And there is an

21
00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:17,760
interesting news nugget about Virgil Orties and whether or not

22
00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,040
they can make a fight with Jeron Ennis or not.

23
00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,799
Obviously this would be Matchroom Golden Boy getting together and

24
00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,239
could this be also part of the RIODD season. You're

25
00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:30,879
gonna hear Eric Gomez talk about all of that and

26
00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,560
some of what they're looking forward to in the first

27
00:01:32,599 --> 00:01:34,959
part of twenty twenty five that's coming here in a

28
00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,200
few minutes. Later on in the program, David Payne, the

29
00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,359
boxing writer from the UK, I want his UK perspective

30
00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,879
on that card back now eight nine days ago in RIOD,

31
00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,439
including Chris Billum Smith in the main event. David will

32
00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,200
also have some thoughts on the Jake Paul Mike Tyson card,

33
00:01:53,439 --> 00:01:58,200
more specifically what happened with Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano

34
00:01:58,239 --> 00:02:01,239
in the co feature fight on that car and then

35
00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,599
he'll give us a little preview for later this week

36
00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,199
in England. They're obviously interested the fight fans, the fantastic

37
00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,080
fanatical British fight fans in this sunny Edwards galu Phi

38
00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:17,240
main event that is coming for flyweight contenders. When these

39
00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,520
two guys have a long history of sparring together amateur battles, etc.

40
00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,120
Now they're going to meet us professionals. Then there's some

41
00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:26,400
intrigue as this week builds up, so David'll have more

42
00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:28,599
on that. So thank you for finding us on the

43
00:02:28,599 --> 00:02:31,960
podcast feed. Make sure you're following, make sure you're subscribing

44
00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,520
here as we give you great content all the way

45
00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,680
through the holidays, Thanksgiving holiday coming up. We're going to

46
00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:38,479
be here previewing going into the weekend and when there

47
00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,080
are fights to recap, as there will be off of

48
00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,719
this show in Britain this weekend or back with the

49
00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,039
United States, Cards, etc. North America worldwide. When there are

50
00:02:48,039 --> 00:02:51,800
important fights, we're here previewing. We're here recapping. If you

51
00:02:51,879 --> 00:02:53,520
enjoy that, help us out, leave us a five star

52
00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:59,039
review and make sure to be with us, subscribe, etc.

53
00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,400
Because you never know what pops up on the podcast feed,

54
00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,039
including Dan recently talking to the likes of Mike Tyson

55
00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,240
on the pot Feet, Chris billhem Smith as well, but

56
00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,960
on and on down the list. All right, without further delay,

57
00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,319
let's get into it. Dan's conversation at Linked with Eric

58
00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,639
Gomez of Golden Boy and Everything that went on with

59
00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,000
read Season and some of their other perspective fights they

60
00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,639
have coming up. And then David Payne with me from England,

61
00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,800
the boxing writer, with his perspective. Let's do all of

62
00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:27,520
that right now.

63
00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:30,879
Speaker 2: Well, it is my great pleasure to welcome to our

64
00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,719
podcast this week my main man who I've known Eric,

65
00:03:33,759 --> 00:03:36,000
I don't know what twenty five years or so. Eric Gomez,

66
00:03:36,439 --> 00:03:39,919
the president of Yeah exactly, the president of Golden Boy Promotions,

67
00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,719
off a long trip in the last couple of days

68
00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:45,439
back from Riad, Saudi Arabia, where you and your team

69
00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:47,759
in Oscar and everybody at Golden Boy in Read Season

70
00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:50,080
put on a tremendous card Latino Knights. I want to

71
00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,479
talk about that and really just what the goings on.

72
00:03:53,919 --> 00:03:57,759
A very busy it seems like Golden Boy Promotions group

73
00:03:57,759 --> 00:03:59,599
of fighters that are taking care of business. So thank

74
00:03:59,639 --> 00:04:01,199
you for doing the show. Eric, I know you've been

75
00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,120
real busy since the trip. How's everything going.

76
00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,560
Speaker 3: No problem, It's a pleasure to beyond. Thank you Dan. Good,

77
00:04:06,599 --> 00:04:08,680
everything's good. A little jet lag.

78
00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:11,599
Speaker 4: Still from the trip in Saudi Arabia is a long flight,

79
00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,240
but it was very successful.

80
00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:15,639
Speaker 3: I think everybody was happy.

81
00:04:16,439 --> 00:04:20,199
Speaker 4: We got some very very nice comments from the fans.

82
00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,040
I think the fights were very competitive.

83
00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,000
Speaker 3: Some surprising.

84
00:04:25,399 --> 00:04:28,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, overall it was a big success and first read

85
00:04:28,759 --> 00:04:31,439
season card that was not with a pay producer charge.

86
00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:32,680
Can we see more of that.

87
00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:35,800
Speaker 3: You know, I hope.

88
00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,759
Speaker 4: So his Excellency was kind enough to you know, share

89
00:04:39,759 --> 00:04:43,639
it with the world for free, which is refreshing and great.

90
00:04:44,959 --> 00:04:45,639
Speaker 3: For the fighters.

91
00:04:45,639 --> 00:04:48,519
Speaker 4: It's it's amazing because they get that exposure of.

92
00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:51,399
Speaker 3: Being on for free. You know. It just really.

93
00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,360
Speaker 4: Depends on what his excellency sees for the future of

94
00:04:54,399 --> 00:04:57,439
boxing and his involvement. But as a fright now where

95
00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:01,040
we're very very excited and aksiule that he was willing

96
00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:02,160
to do that for this is done.

97
00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:03,959
Speaker 2: So I want to ask you about that. How was

98
00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,160
it staging your first event in Saudi Arabia. I know

99
00:05:06,199 --> 00:05:08,079
you have been involved in events there, but it's really

100
00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:11,079
the first time that Golden Boy has really spearheaded the fight,

101
00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,000
been involved with you know, most of the fire or

102
00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,120
all the fights on the card, And I'm curious how

103
00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,759
that went. If you could, because you do fights all

104
00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:19,920
over the place, certainly in the United States. Anyway, just

105
00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,079
give me like a brief idea of the differences for

106
00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,399
you and doing an event here in the United States

107
00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,199
or doing one in Saudi Arabia like you did last weekend.

108
00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:30,000
Speaker 3: It was great.

109
00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,920
Speaker 4: Look, you know, it was a lot of work. We

110
00:05:32,959 --> 00:05:35,240
had a lot of prep work, you know, like months before.

111
00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,639
We started working on everything way back in September, the

112
00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:44,079
beginning of September. It was a big undertaking. We had

113
00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:48,639
to hire the commission, so we hired the ABC, the

114
00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,600
Association of Boxing Commissions here in the United States, so

115
00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,199
they were the regulators for the event. Mike Wasazuli, who

116
00:05:56,319 --> 00:05:59,199
was the president director.

117
00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:01,759
Speaker 3: Of the ABC. You know, he hired all the officials,

118
00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:02,680
took him out there.

119
00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:08,199
Speaker 4: So we had to coordinate their travel, their rooming obviously,

120
00:06:08,199 --> 00:06:11,800
all the fighters and their teams. You know, it was

121
00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,720
a lot of work, a lot of tedious work, a

122
00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,240
lot of stuff that normally is so easy for us

123
00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,560
to do here in the United States, things like coordinated

124
00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,399
training times and taking them to the gyms so they

125
00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:24,519
can get their last training in and then cut weight

126
00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:25,160
if they need to.

127
00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,120
Speaker 3: So it was a lot of work.

128
00:06:28,199 --> 00:06:30,279
Speaker 2: It sounds like just an extra layer of stuff compared

129
00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:31,279
to one normal show here.

130
00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,279
Speaker 3: It is it is, it is, it's it's just a

131
00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:36,639
little more added attention.

132
00:06:36,399 --> 00:06:41,680
Speaker 4: To the teams, the fighters, and the accommodations. But other

133
00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,279
than that, it was it was very much like a

134
00:06:44,319 --> 00:06:45,560
regular show here in the United States.

135
00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,240
Speaker 2: And if I'm not mistaken, it really wasn't the ABC

136
00:06:47,319 --> 00:06:50,360
that regulated. It was the Mike Mizzoulis runs the Mohegan

137
00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,439
Tribal Commission from Connecticut, isn't that was?

138
00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the title. Yeah, that was the title.

139
00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,199
But obviously he's the director of the ABC, so he hired.

140
00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,399
Speaker 4: All the different officials, the judges internationally.

141
00:07:04,879 --> 00:07:05,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

142
00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:07,160
Speaker 4: So, and he did a great job. Mike Zille did

143
00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,279
a great job. It was a lot of work for him,

144
00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:10,279
but you know, he got it.

145
00:07:10,399 --> 00:07:11,199
Speaker 3: He got it done.

146
00:07:11,519 --> 00:07:13,360
Speaker 2: So it was as we said, and we'll get into

147
00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,759
the fights in a minute. But it was a really,

148
00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:19,199
I thought, an outstanding show. But if there's any downside,

149
00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:20,680
and I'm not knocking it at all, because well, like

150
00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,160
I said, a great show, you kind of got swallowed

151
00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,199
up in the in the fact that the night before

152
00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:28,199
your show and you started here in the United States,

153
00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:31,199
the card came on at twelve o'clock noon Eastern time,

154
00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,000
nine o'clock in the morning Pacific time, and the night

155
00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,600
before I think it was still a massive hangover from

156
00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:39,519
what happened in Arlington, Texas with the Jake Paul Mike

157
00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,639
Tyson card, which was, you know, took on a life

158
00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,959
of its own. Do you feel like maybe your event

159
00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,600
got a little swallowed up in that hype?

160
00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:49,120
Speaker 3: You think it was hard to avoid.

161
00:07:49,319 --> 00:07:51,839
Speaker 4: That was a monster show. You know, anything Tyson does

162
00:07:51,879 --> 00:07:53,480
and people are going to pay attention.

163
00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,759
Speaker 3: You know, he's iconic. And Jake Paul, look, you know,

164
00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:57,759
I commend him.

165
00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:01,360
Speaker 4: You know, he put together an incredible event with his

166
00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:06,160
MVP promotions. You know, the fight was not as exciting

167
00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:07,920
as most people thought it would be, but it was

168
00:08:07,959 --> 00:08:10,319
a big event, and you know, congratulates extent.

169
00:08:10,399 --> 00:08:11,079
Speaker 3: But yes, it was.

170
00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,639
Speaker 4: Hard to avoid, but we still got a lot of attention.

171
00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,959
And I think that the fights proved to be very

172
00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:22,199
good fights, competitive fights, and that's what that's what times won.

173
00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,519
And we pride ourselves at Golden Boy, you know, and

174
00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:25,680
making competitive fights.

175
00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:26,519
Speaker 3: We try to do that.

176
00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,360
Speaker 4: Every single time. You're not always going to do it,

177
00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,519
You're not always going to accomplish it. But for the

178
00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:33,960
most part, this event it delivered.

179
00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:36,279
Speaker 2: I agree. So I want to go through some of

180
00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:38,120
the fights with you. The main event, of course, was

181
00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:41,320
Gilberto Zerto Ramirez. He was taken on Chris Billam Smith

182
00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,000
in a cruiserweight unification fight. Zerdo came in with the

183
00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:48,159
WBA title, Chris Billam Smith with the WBO title. I

184
00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,919
thought it was a fantastic although one sided fight, but

185
00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,080
still extremely entertaining. Chris Billen Smith showed the heart of

186
00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,200
a line and Zerdo pretty much after round one. I

187
00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,000
guess to me, anyway, you tell me what you thought.

188
00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,200
You were sitting ringside, kind of figured him out and

189
00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,039
just sort of laid a beating on a guy that

190
00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,519
just had a tremendous heart and a tremendous chin. And

191
00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,120
I thought, honestly, that might have been the best performances

192
00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,600
has had in his whole career possibly. What was your

193
00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:12,200
take on the fight?

194
00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:19,159
Speaker 4: My sense was that he finally felt and looked comfortable

195
00:09:19,159 --> 00:09:21,279
at that weight class. Now you remember he's had two

196
00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:25,360
fights at that weight class. The guys are bigger, they're stronger.

197
00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,399
For this fight here he looked comfortable. It looks like

198
00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,840
he finally said into that weight class. The handspeed, the footwork,

199
00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,240
especially the footwork, you know, being invited that used to

200
00:09:36,279 --> 00:09:39,279
be a middleweight, super middleweight champion light heavyweight.

201
00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,559
Speaker 3: It seems to be that, you know, he's got quicker.

202
00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,799
Speaker 4: Feet than those guys, at least in the last couple

203
00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,720
of fights. But yeah, you know, he fought the perfect fight.

204
00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,399
You know, he did get hit a few times. He

205
00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,480
took some big punches.

206
00:09:51,159 --> 00:09:53,159
Speaker 3: Those always been for having a good chin.

207
00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so.

208
00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,360
Speaker 4: You know, which which is not always a good quality.

209
00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,519
You don't want your fighters to get hit. But he

210
00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,879
was able to, you know, take care and win and

211
00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,039
convincing decisions.

212
00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,639
Speaker 3: And it was an exciting fight. And there's a couple

213
00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,440
of times in there where it looked like he might stop.

214
00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:14,200
Speaker 4: And that's a big, strong kid, you know, Chris Billim Smith,

215
00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,080
you can't take away from him. I'm sure that he'll

216
00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,279
come back and be a champion, you.

217
00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:20,840
Speaker 3: Know, later in his career. He's still pretty young.

218
00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,879
Speaker 4: But he was about, you know, the perfect fight in

219
00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,600
order to be able to win and be successful.

220
00:10:25,879 --> 00:10:27,919
Speaker 2: So now the question is about the next step for him.

221
00:10:27,919 --> 00:10:31,360
Because to make the match between Zero and U and

222
00:10:31,399 --> 00:10:33,720
Bill and Smith, there was they had a sign off

223
00:10:33,759 --> 00:10:36,919
on on the to to take a you know, the mandatory.

224
00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,639
Juniel Dordikos had a step aside and make a deal uh,

225
00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,120
and then was promised the next shot.

226
00:10:42,759 --> 00:10:43,240
Speaker 4: Uh.

227
00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:44,879
Speaker 2: So that seems to be what would be up for

228
00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,840
Zerdo next? The fight that I know that everybody wants

229
00:10:47,879 --> 00:10:49,639
to see in the weight class, That fight that that

230
00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,600
Turkey Alshkas mentioned as a as a fight fan who

231
00:10:53,639 --> 00:10:56,519
likes to make unifications, is to have him fight Jai Opataia.

232
00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,360
Seems like it could match up. Zerdo just fought on

233
00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:00,519
a READ card.

234
00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:01,240
Speaker 3: Uh.

235
00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,759
Speaker 2: This pass fight. The previous three fights of Opatai have

236
00:11:04,799 --> 00:11:08,399
taken place on READ season cards. It seems like the

237
00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,399
obvious fight in the way class. But he also has

238
00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:12,600
a mandatory coming up that will take place in Australia

239
00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,759
in January. So the question is he'll take care of

240
00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:19,679
that business? Is the is sort of the not in

241
00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,960
in in ink, but in pencil anyway, Opataia fights his

242
00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,840
mandatory January, Zerdo comes back his mandatory, say like late winter. Uh,

243
00:11:27,879 --> 00:11:30,519
and then later in the year when READ seasons back

244
00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,399
in gear, have them fight in the three belt unification

245
00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,279
and also for the ring title.

246
00:11:36,039 --> 00:11:39,879
Speaker 4: That's I mean, that's the preliminary plan, is to take

247
00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:40,200
care of the.

248
00:11:40,279 --> 00:11:44,200
Speaker 3: Mandatory, you know. So that's where we'll start getting to

249
00:11:44,279 --> 00:11:46,600
those discussions because I was taking some time off. He's

250
00:11:46,919 --> 00:11:49,320
well deserved. But yeah, you know, we do.

251
00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,039
Speaker 4: Have a mandatory articles that we're gonna have to address,

252
00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:56,360
and that's that's the preliminary plans. To take care of

253
00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,919
the mandatory and then see if we can do the unification,

254
00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:02,840
which is a fight that you know would.

255
00:12:02,639 --> 00:12:05,080
Speaker 3: Get the two top fighters in that division.

256
00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,039
Speaker 2: Well, that is good news. I think that seems like

257
00:12:08,039 --> 00:12:10,240
a very reasonable plan to let him take care of them.

258
00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,200
And by the way, they're mandatory, at least in the

259
00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,799
case of Zerdo his mandatory in Dordikos is a former champion.

260
00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,879
I can't really say too much about the open time mandatory,

261
00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:19,879
but that seems like a very reasonable plan. But if

262
00:12:19,919 --> 00:12:22,000
you go down one fight on the card, the co feature,

263
00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,080
this was a fight Eric that was two top junior

264
00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,600
walter waits former champ unified champion Josey Ramirez against the

265
00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,440
undfeated Arnold Barbosa, two guys that are somewhat new to

266
00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,279
the Golden Boys stable of fighters. On paper, looked like

267
00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:38,759
a really good matchup. Unfortunately, while it was a great

268
00:12:38,799 --> 00:12:41,279
victory for Barbosa, who was looking for this type of

269
00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,200
career win, kind of a disappointing especially when compared to

270
00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:46,440
the action of the rest of the car. What was

271
00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,200
your thoughts about the Barbosa victory and the performance of

272
00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:49,879
the fight itself.

273
00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,440
Speaker 4: You know, very happy for Barbosa. This is a fight

274
00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,200
that he wanted. This is the reason he signs with

275
00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,600
the Golden Boy. You know, he said, please get me

276
00:12:59,639 --> 00:13:00,000
that fight.

277
00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,000
Speaker 3: That's the fight I wanted for the longest time. Uh.

278
00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:04,759
Speaker 4: And the same thing with him. You know, he thought

279
00:13:04,879 --> 00:13:07,960
he fought the perfect fight. It was to cause this fight.

280
00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,279
We were expecting a little bit more fireworks, but you know,

281
00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,559
he fought the fight that he felt was gonna was

282
00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:15,759
gonna get get him the victory.

283
00:13:15,759 --> 00:13:16,440
Speaker 3: And that's what he did.

284
00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,919
Speaker 4: You know, you can't take a fighter like you say,

285
00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,360
Ramery's lightly. You know, he's a he's a he's a

286
00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,840
respected puncher, and it just seemed like, you know, whenever

287
00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,000
he got in position to unload those bombs, Barbosa was gone.

288
00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:30,159
Speaker 3: He was gone.

289
00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,159
Speaker 4: And I think that that's what he trained for in camp,

290
00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,320
you know, just to fight a smart fight, to stay

291
00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,879
out of harm's way and and and win a decision.

292
00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,120
And he did that, and he did that and now

293
00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,320
you know, two bigger better things with him so.

294
00:13:44,279 --> 00:13:47,960
Speaker 2: The question then becomes he turned down the opportunity to

295
00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,720
have it as an eliminator. He explained, I thought quite

296
00:13:50,759 --> 00:13:55,120
eloquently after the fight about having fought a multiple eliminators

297
00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,000
and paid sanctioning fees to the WO and was just

298
00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:00,000
tired of it. Franklin wanted to keep the extra money,

299
00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:02,799
as he said, I'm quoting him paraphrasing, anyway, put the

300
00:14:02,799 --> 00:14:05,600
money in my pocket for my kids. But then he said, look,

301
00:14:05,639 --> 00:14:07,960
you know, maybe the WBO would reconsider and still give

302
00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,399
me a title shot. How do you think that's gonna

303
00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:12,279
play out? I mean, he is undefeated, he did just

304
00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,720
come off a big win over Ramirez. He has been

305
00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:16,919
near the top or at the top of the WA

306
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,759
rating WBO ratings for a while. How do you think

307
00:14:19,759 --> 00:14:21,720
that's gonna play out? What's the WBO's take on what

308
00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,480
happened because he didn't pay the fees, didn't do a

309
00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:24,120
twelve rounder.

310
00:14:24,879 --> 00:14:27,080
Speaker 3: Well, it's gonna be up to WO. It's gonna be

311
00:14:27,159 --> 00:14:29,120
up to them what they which win. They want to rule.

312
00:14:29,679 --> 00:14:32,000
Speaker 2: But would you lobby them? I guess on his behalf.

313
00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,919
Speaker 4: He's of course, of course, and we had conversations and

314
00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,320
they understand the situation, and you know a lot of

315
00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,120
that we weren't involved, are both right, right, We weren't.

316
00:14:41,159 --> 00:14:43,639
We weren't involved, But we don't know what happened and

317
00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:46,399
why it happened and why he was passed over.

318
00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,840
Speaker 3: But he was upset. He was upset, uh.

319
00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,360
Speaker 4: As you as you indicated, you know, he complained himself.

320
00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,840
We're hoping that the WBO finds it in their heart

321
00:14:57,039 --> 00:15:00,159
to forgive him and include him and either becoming the

322
00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,720
mandatory for field you won't or ordering an interim title

323
00:15:04,759 --> 00:15:05,159
for him.

324
00:15:05,679 --> 00:15:07,600
Speaker 3: We don't know. It's going to be at their discretion.

325
00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,559
Speaker 4: I did reach out to the WBO earlier today and

326
00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:15,159
waiting for a call back from him, so we'll people

327
00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:16,639
are going to continue to lobby for him.

328
00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,080
Speaker 3: He should get a shot at the title. Well, hope

329
00:15:19,159 --> 00:15:19,919
feel very strong.

330
00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,720
Speaker 2: Hopefully that call does not interrupt our interview here. But

331
00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,120
as it relates to Ramirez, that was a rough loss

332
00:15:27,159 --> 00:15:29,080
room because he didn't really look that good. I thought

333
00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,279
he looked a little bit slow, honestly, I thought he

334
00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,960
looked a little disinterested. He's had long layoffs and I

335
00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,759
hypothesize and I think Jose is a wonderful guy. If

336
00:15:38,799 --> 00:15:40,480
known him, his entire career covered him a long time,

337
00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,639
a charitable guy, a big time in his community. But

338
00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:45,600
he might have kind of gotten comfortable. You know, he

339
00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,360
made a lot of money. He's got a beautiful family,

340
00:15:47,399 --> 00:15:50,159
young kids, and not sure how much he really wants

341
00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:52,360
it the way Barbosa did. What's your take on that.

342
00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:54,320
I know you guys haven't worked with Ramirez for that long,

343
00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:56,360
but you're sitting there watching the last couple of fights.

344
00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:59,320
Speaker 4: He said, Well, there's a couple of things I want

345
00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,759
to point out. You know, I think he's still hungry.

346
00:16:02,159 --> 00:16:04,799
He worked very hard for this fight. He had a

347
00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:07,879
very good training camp. I think he just got surprised.

348
00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,519
I think that he was expecting a different kind of fight.

349
00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,480
You know, Barbosa was talking of a good game so

350
00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:15,679
it was Premiers. He thought it was going to be

351
00:16:15,679 --> 00:16:17,360
a little bit more of a toe to toe battle,

352
00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:18,080
and it wasn't.

353
00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:21,159
Speaker 3: Styles make fights. I just think that.

354
00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,279
Speaker 4: That style didn't better, it didn't benefit him. The other

355
00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:25,879
thing we have to consider as well, is, you know,

356
00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:26,840
he's a big kid.

357
00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,360
Speaker 3: He's almost five to ten. He's a big kid. It

358
00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:31,879
might be time to move to forty seven, right, I

359
00:16:31,919 --> 00:16:34,679
thought that too, you know, you know, so so.

360
00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:36,279
Speaker 4: It takes a lot out of him, you know, and

361
00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:38,120
he stayed around, you know, the lightweight.

362
00:16:38,159 --> 00:16:40,679
Speaker 3: I think he'd be debuted as a lightweight. He just

363
00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:43,559
recently moved up to forty. But even that, you know,

364
00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,360
he's just such a big kid when you.

365
00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,399
Speaker 2: Meet him and you see him in personal good forty

366
00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:49,159
pretty much most of his career. So I don't know

367
00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:50,600
if that's you know, but that's all the career is

368
00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:52,720
not like he it's like he turned pro yesterday either.

369
00:16:52,759 --> 00:16:54,519
I mean, he's been in a pro for a number

370
00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:56,080
of years, so it's not his first rodeo in the one

371
00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,240
hundred and forty pound way class.

372
00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:57,960
Speaker 3: It's not.

373
00:16:58,120 --> 00:16:59,919
Speaker 4: It's not, but you know what, it does take it

374
00:17:00,279 --> 00:17:03,120
and as you get older and you're trying to build

375
00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,319
muscle and keep that strength, you know, it does depeat

376
00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:07,240
you coming.

377
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:07,519
Speaker 3: Down and wait.

378
00:17:07,599 --> 00:17:11,039
Speaker 4: So I think that, you know, we're gonna have a

379
00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:13,279
serious discussion with him whether he wants to move up

380
00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:16,200
to one forty seven. It wasn't like he was totally

381
00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,720
embarrassed in the fight. Yeah, you know, he lost the decision.

382
00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,200
He was competitive when they.

383
00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,880
Speaker 3: Got closed and they exchanged cloths.

384
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,759
Speaker 4: So it's just a matter of whether he wants to

385
00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:28,519
try to stay at that weight class, there's some great

386
00:17:28,519 --> 00:17:30,039
fights for him, but if he wants to move up

387
00:17:30,039 --> 00:17:32,559
to forty seven, there's also be some very good fights

388
00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:33,160
for him as well.

389
00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he listen, he turned professional in twenty twelve,

390
00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,079
so it's been a long career and he has in

391
00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,759
fact been a junior walterway for his entire career. You know,

392
00:17:39,839 --> 00:17:41,960
the highest he's ever fought was, you know, like a

393
00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,039
couple pounds over, just in a non title type fight.

394
00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,920
So hopefully he can, you know, get his stuff together

395
00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,519
and see what's next. But the next fight down the card, Eric,

396
00:17:50,519 --> 00:17:52,599
This was a barn and burner. This was a spectacular

397
00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,559
action fight and I think unexpectedly from some people, and

398
00:17:55,559 --> 00:17:58,720
that was Williams Zapeida in an absolute slug fest with

399
00:17:58,759 --> 00:18:02,960
Tevin Farmer. He wins the interim WBC lightweight title, a

400
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,680
lot tougher I think than a lot of people expect

401
00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,720
that maybe hard luck loss for Farmer, who scored a

402
00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:10,160
big knockdown. I'm curious how you I thought that that

403
00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:12,160
Zapeta just eked it out. I wonder how you were

404
00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,519
sitting the ringside, how you how you saw that go?

405
00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,000
And uh, does this set William up now for the

406
00:18:17,519 --> 00:18:20,880
mandatory against Chaquar Stevenson, who's the WBC's lightweight champion.

407
00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I look the same thing with the Beta. I

408
00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,559
think he got the prized. I think he got the prize. Uh.

409
00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:28,559
Speaker 4: And that's the reason why we don't like doing these.

410
00:18:28,599 --> 00:18:31,039
You know, if you remember, we were willing to do

411
00:18:31,079 --> 00:18:32,319
the hit Cour fight straight away.

412
00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,119
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, that's right, got hurt and and.

413
00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,440
Speaker 4: Chakourt even before he got hurt, Shaquurr announced that he

414
00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,480
was going to do a tune up, so that forced

415
00:18:39,559 --> 00:18:40,359
us to do a tune up.

416
00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,400
Speaker 3: He was going to fight Cordina.

417
00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:42,960
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. He had signed with Eddie Hern and

418
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:43,680
that Truman.

419
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, wanted We wanted to do the fight direct. Uh.

420
00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:48,680
It was a lot more competitive.

421
00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:50,839
Speaker 4: A lot of people thought, uh, you know, if you

422
00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,000
had to pick a fight where you can pick the winner,

423
00:18:54,079 --> 00:18:56,039
that's probably the fight you were gonna pick. And a

424
00:18:56,039 --> 00:18:58,079
lot of people felt that Beta was gonna stop him.

425
00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,519
But you can't take away from til Farmer. He's a

426
00:19:01,519 --> 00:19:04,240
tough kid, former champion. He's always going to give you

427
00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:06,880
a good fight. He's always going to be prepared, ready

428
00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,799
for a big fight. So I think he surprised him.

429
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,759
I think he surprised him a little bit. But yeah,

430
00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:13,279
but he won.

431
00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:14,240
Speaker 3: Look, he clearly won.

432
00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,960
Speaker 4: If you count the number of punches the compyest that numbers.

433
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,039
Speaker 3: You know, he threw a lot more punches, He landed

434
00:19:21,079 --> 00:19:22,960
a lot of body shots, and.

435
00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,480
Speaker 4: You know, minus the knockdown, he pretty much dominated the fight.

436
00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:28,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. I argue all the time on the podcast with

437
00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:31,960
my partner TJ about copybox and it's not official and

438
00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:33,759
sometimes it because it's you know, it's a guy, but

439
00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:35,240
it doesn't really tell the true story. But you know,

440
00:19:35,319 --> 00:19:37,880
I understand what you're saying about that. I must say though,

441
00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,799
and you and I had some discussion about this, you know,

442
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,440
off off the air, so to speak. What drives me

443
00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,880
absolutely crazy about this fight? A great, great fight, good matchup,

444
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,720
turned out to be good. Eric, I'm still dying inside

445
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,000
that they made a interim world title fight at ten rounder.

446
00:19:53,279 --> 00:19:57,680
Please talk me down. Yeah, well, you know, again, unprecedented

447
00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,559
by the way the fight.

448
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,000
Speaker 4: The fight was originally scheduled to be a.

449
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,599
Speaker 3: Ten round fight above the wakeslass.

450
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 4: As I said, it was supposed to be a tuna fight.

451
00:20:05,519 --> 00:20:06,880
Speaker 3: I know, no fight as a.

452
00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:10,160
Speaker 4: Tune up, but still that's what it was, and the

453
00:20:10,279 --> 00:20:13,880
WBC came in after the fact. Tevin Parmer was not

454
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,680
willing to do twelve rounds and it's within.

455
00:20:16,519 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 3: The rules of the WBC to allow it to be

456
00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:19,400
for ten rounds.

457
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,480
Speaker 2: So I've never heard of that.

458
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:21,519
Speaker 3: Everybody accepted.

459
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 2: In twenty five years of covering box, I've never heard

460
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,359
of an interim title fight being a ten rounder.

461
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's within the rules of the WBC.

462
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,079
Speaker 4: The board accepted it, and you know, obviously it was

463
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,160
a little added bonus for both fighters, and they both

464
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,240
accepted and we.

465
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 3: Went through with it.

466
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 2: So does this mean that you will then endeavor with

467
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:44,359
Mattroom and read seasoned people to get Zepeida and Sho

468
00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:46,920
Court in the ring. The rumor is February twenty second,

469
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,240
they are doing a big card on the READ season event.

470
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:51,960
Is that? Is that what we're looking plan?

471
00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 3: That's the plan.

472
00:20:53,759 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 4: We've had preliminary talks with Mattroom yearn that's the plan.

473
00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:01,799
The Beata was a little deemed up, so he is

474
00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:04,799
going to go get checked out. He hurt one of

475
00:21:04,799 --> 00:21:07,240
his hands, so he's gonna go get checked out, which

476
00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:08,640
is customary.

477
00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 3: After a fight. We wanted to get checked out one

478
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,480
hundred percent.

479
00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:13,559
Speaker 4: It's a quick turn around for February, so we'll see,

480
00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:15,119
we'll see, you know.

481
00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:18,599
Speaker 2: But if he's okay physically, you think that's the real process.

482
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,160
Speaker 4: That's the fight he wants. That's the fight he wants.

483
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,200
He wants that fight. And we've happened luminary talks with

484
00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:28,119
Matt Troom. We've talked to his excellencyam you know, he

485
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,480
would love to do the fight in Riot. Yeah, so

486
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,720
we'll see, you know, it's in the next week or so,

487
00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:35,920
the next couple of weeks. We'll get into deep discussions

488
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,880
and few it's off.

489
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,759
Speaker 3: It's off. It's a reality, all right.

490
00:21:40,799 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 2: The next fight that I want to discuss is the

491
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,319
guy who I think all respect to Zerto, but this

492
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,119
was the guy that really, to me anyway, other than Zerdo,

493
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,680
was really the star of the show, maybe kind of

494
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,200
stole the show lit of it. That is your strawweight champion,

495
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,359
Oscar Colaso. He went in the ring against Neam Trong,

496
00:21:57,839 --> 00:22:00,799
the long ragning champion, the longest raining active champion in

497
00:22:00,839 --> 00:22:03,839
boxing up until the time where Klaswo knocked him out.

498
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,640
He'd held the title, the WBA strawway title since twenty sixteen,

499
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,119
was making his thirteenth defense. This is not a guy

500
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,039
that was some hobo off a truck. He may not

501
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,319
a lot of people may not have heard of him,

502
00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:17,640
but he's been a long standing champ, fought some very

503
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,240
good competition over the years. Colaso though you know, still

504
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,440
very young in his career, even though he's a little

505
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,559
older for a strawwaight at age twenty seven. But anyway,

506
00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:28,039
he was the WBO champion, went out there he can

507
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,680
just win the fight and take away the other guys

508
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,440
in the undefeated record, knocked him down three times in

509
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:37,079
quite spectacular fashion. Knocked him out. I don't know if

510
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,519
I've been more impressed with a smaller weight fighter like

511
00:22:39,559 --> 00:22:40,880
that in a long time. I mean, what was your

512
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,279
take on him? Was a great performance?

513
00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 3: I thought, same here, same here.

514
00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 4: I mean, this guy is one of the most exciting

515
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,240
fighters in boxing.

516
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,559
Speaker 3: His boxing IQ is way up off the charts. He

517
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,880
really is one of the best fighters pound for pounds

518
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,359
in the world. He keeps approving it really patient and

519
00:22:58,319 --> 00:22:58,880
yeah he is.

520
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 4: And you know I I someone mentioned to me, you know,

521
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,279
he reminds me.

522
00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:07,079
Speaker 3: Of somewhat of a little unchangle. I mean that kind

523
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:07,559
of iq.

524
00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 4: His footwork, the combinations, counter punching, the way he sets

525
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,279
up it's incredible. I love watching this kid. He's so exciting.

526
00:23:16,279 --> 00:23:17,519
We're expecting big things.

527
00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:20,519
Speaker 3: You know, he's a small weight, but he carries a

528
00:23:20,519 --> 00:23:21,119
big punch.

529
00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:26,079
Speaker 2: So in that weight class he needs and anybody in

530
00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:29,000
that weight class to make a star, you need competition,

531
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,759
you need good opponents, you need recognizable names, you need

532
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,960
other world titles. So I look at the landscape and

533
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000
I see and this has sort of been the case

534
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,960
for straweights. You know, most of the existence of the

535
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,240
weight division. It's not exactly star studded. So you tell

536
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,599
me if I'm wrong here. It seems like the only

537
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,240
thing that can maybe get him some more attraction if

538
00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:48,680
he wants to stay in the division for a little

539
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,079
while longer, is to continue to unify the titles he's

540
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,319
got to. The other champions are the WBC champion Melvin Jerusalem,

541
00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:57,960
who already defeated, and the IBF champion Pedro Tatterin, And

542
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,160
I wonder, is are either of those fights doable? Is

543
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,880
there somebody else you have in mind? Like what can

544
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,039
you do with him to to so more people can

545
00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:05,559
see this outstanding young fighter.

546
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 4: He wants to look, he wants to unify all the titles.

547
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 3: That's what he wants to do. Match the title. Absolutely.

548
00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 4: We've already been contacted by both champions.

549
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,559
Speaker 3: And they want to fight him.

550
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:20,759
Speaker 4: And you know, the thing with him also is, you know, yeah,

551
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,640
it's hard to make a star in that weight class

552
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,839
and there hasn't been one in such a long time.

553
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 3: And you got to go back to Carbo and Carbo

554
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,640
Hall was with a flyweight.

555
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,279
Speaker 2: I believe he was one hundred eight pounds. I mean

556
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,279
really the last the last star at strawwaight was Roman

557
00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:38,039
Gonzales and there you go, you know, yeah.

558
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,799
Speaker 3: There there, there you go. But you see, there's a

559
00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:41,599
difference with this kid.

560
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,599
Speaker 4: And the advantage that he has is that he has

561
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,000
an entire island behind him. Yeah, as you know, you know,

562
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:50,160
there's a rich history in boxing with Puerto Rico and

563
00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:53,119
right now, at this time, there isn't really a standout champion.

564
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:55,839
He's the guy. He can be the one. You know,

565
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,119
he's clean cut, speaks English, Spanish. They love him in

566
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,400
Puerto Rico and his game is just growing there.

567
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 3: And you know as well as I do.

568
00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 4: If you get the island behind you, they'll travel and

569
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,759
they'll come out and see you no matter where you fight.

570
00:25:09,839 --> 00:25:12,400
And we're getting to that point. He's in the newspapers

571
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,119
every day. He's done the TV.

572
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:17,519
Speaker 3: News every day. This kid has star potential, ridd and

573
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:17,759
all over.

574
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 2: He's got some swagger too. I love that he talks

575
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,440
a little shit too, you know he.

576
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 3: Does, he does. He's very confident, but you know he

577
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,319
works very hard. I mean, this kid is king cut.

578
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,440
You know, you don't have to.

579
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 4: Worry about this kid. And that's the best kind of

580
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,920
vibue you want. You know, he's not controversial, he's low key.

581
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,160
He gets to work. When he goes to camp, he

582
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,319
puts in the work. We're very excited for him. And

583
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,960
you know, this guy's a limit with him.

584
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: I mean, does anybody uh, I guess because of the

585
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,880
belt be in at stake, maybe people might be interested

586
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,880
in seeing a rematch with Jerusalem already, like I said,

587
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,359
already defeated. Does that give you pause? I mean, or

588
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,000
is it just let's go get the titles regardless of

589
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,039
the fact that Charny beat the guy.

590
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:56,839
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I mean that's the plant.

591
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 4: We have to do a rematch with him, no problem,

592
00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:01,240
and there will to do it as well. We got

593
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,119
contracted by his Okay, there's the other champion as well.

594
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,440
I believe the IDF champion who's who's very tough. He's

595
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,759
probably the you know, the other champion out there. They

596
00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:14,599
can compete at that level against to do that.

597
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,599
Speaker 2: Those are the two guys. It's either Jerusalem with the

598
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,519
WBC or the IBF which you mentioned Pedro Taedoran from

599
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:21,200
the Philippines.

600
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, there is a potential mandatory, dude, so we're gonna

601
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:28,240
have to look at that as well. But again, you know,

602
00:26:28,319 --> 00:26:31,200
this kid wants to stay busy, he wants to keep

603
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,119
fighting the best, and that's a beautiful thing.

604
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:38,519
Speaker 2: Now, the other guy that was not in a world

605
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,559
title fight, but in a very very outstanding, slug fast

606
00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:45,119
and a very fun fight, Oscar Duarte against back here Achmindov.

607
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,160
They were slightly over the one hundred and forty limit.

608
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,880
That was really because of the fact that the fight

609
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:51,559
was on a little bit short notice because the original

610
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:54,400
opponent for Duarte, which was Kenneth Sims, dropped out with

611
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,039
a knee injury. So Akmadov, because he took it on

612
00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:58,640
short notice, got a couple of pounds and said he'd

613
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,279
have to cut it all the way down, but they

614
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,039
turned out a tremendous battle that might have been, honestly,

615
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:05,440
in terms of round for round, maybe the best fight

616
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,240
on the card, even including Zapeta against Farmer Dwarte. Look,

617
00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:11,079
if people know him from the Ryan Garcia fight, even

618
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:12,880
though he lost, he's now been in you know, a

619
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,319
couple of good fights since then. I mean it seems

620
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,480
to me that and he beat a guy in Achmandov

621
00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:19,359
who kind of a hard luck loser on that one.

622
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,359
But both guys exciting, Both guys are solid, like either

623
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,160
one of them can fight, you know, anybody in that

624
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,680
weight class. That seems to me. I mean, you have

625
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,920
probably a lot of options you could do with Dwarte

626
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:29,240
coming off that kind of victory.

627
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,079
Speaker 4: You know. The good thing about Duane is that, yes,

628
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:34,960
you know he had the Ryan Garcia fight.

629
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 3: He was competitive in that fight. If you remember the

630
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,400
birth had, you know he got caught.

631
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:42,079
Speaker 4: He's had two nine wins now that he's come back,

632
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,720
and he's always gonna be in competitive fights because he's

633
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:50,119
a hard nosed, aggressive fighter. He's gonna come at you,

634
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,440
he's gonna throw a lot of punches. That fight was great.

635
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,119
Oscar night were rings sighting. We're joking, you know, we

636
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:56,960
could have done the fighting.

637
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 3: You know, these guys were in each other's speed.

638
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,559
Speaker 2: Eric today, the kids said they don't know what a

639
00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:06,480
booth is. Unfortunately. Yeah, how about I mean, did you

640
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,519
think about a rematching those two guys? Maybe not next

641
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:11,279
but eventually that was such a good fight, so close,

642
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,359
It was such a good fight.

643
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, we would consider it, but obviously, you know, to

644
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,240
the victor's spoils, sure, he wants bigger fights.

645
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,079
Speaker 3: He wants to take advantage and you know, use.

646
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,799
Speaker 4: This victory to catapult him into a world title fight

647
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:28,920
or an eliminator or any of the top guys, any

648
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:29,519
of the top.

649
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,559
Speaker 3: Names, and that's what he wants. And with him, you know,

650
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:34,880
he can still make thirty five. He's really a lightweight.

651
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 4: You know, before he fought Ryan Garcia, he had only

652
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,720
fought at lightweight. He moved up for the opportunity with

653
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:41,440
Ryan Garcia.

654
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,319
Speaker 3: This fight here, he was moving up for the opportunity

655
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:45,519
to fighting Kenneth Simms.

656
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:48,759
Speaker 4: Now he ended up fighting a little bit above, but

657
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,200
you know, he can still make one thirty five, so

658
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:52,319
he can compete with any of the.

659
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 3: Champions that won thirty five.

660
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,279
Speaker 2: Now, one of the things that was interesting is, and

661
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:56,880
I don't think I'm not sure if that you had

662
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,559
anything to do with each other, you would have better

663
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,440
idea than I. But eating up to this card Latino

664
00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:04,759
Knight was when TURKEYO Sheik announced that he had finalized

665
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:07,960
the deal with Oscar de la Hoya and Golden Boy

666
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,119
to buy The Ring Magazine, an asset that Oscar has had.

667
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,200
I had gone back and looked it up. I think

668
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,079
since what two thousand and three, maybe something like that

669
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,160
or two thousand and seven, I guess it was in

670
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,440
the early two thousand, I think, But it's been it's

671
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,680
been quite a while since Oscar had owned the magazine,

672
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,640
and I remember when he bought it that it was

673
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,559
sort of like a big deal because now the promoter's

674
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:30,319
owning the magazine. But people sort of settled in and

675
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:33,039
it's been, you know, been doing its thing all along.

676
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,759
So I wonder. I know that Oscar didn't like, really

677
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,279
want to sell it, I guess is the way I

678
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:40,680
heard it. But that, as he said, he ultimately got

679
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,200
a deal and an offer from Turkey aol chic, as

680
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,640
he said, an offer I couldn't refuse. He said it

681
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,039
was a ten million dollar deal. What were your thoughts

682
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:51,359
about having you know, the Ring magazine, which you guys

683
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:52,920
have owned for so long or I don't know if

684
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,759
it was Golden Boys or Oscars personally, but whatever, an

685
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:58,319
asset that was in the family for a very long time,

686
00:29:58,359 --> 00:30:02,279
a very we well known brand in boxing and now

687
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:03,920
being owned by Turkey al Chic.

688
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,759
Speaker 3: Look, it's it's a historic brand.

689
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 4: It's probably one of the few brands it's over one

690
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,039
hundred years old, managing.

691
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:16,839
Speaker 2: Wise, first first issue published in nineteen twenty two.

692
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:19,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. So so it was a very

693
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:23,160
tough decision for Oscar. That was his dately, you know,

694
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,400
and he took care of it throughout the years. But again,

695
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,000
like Oscar said himself, you know, he was made an offer.

696
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:32,279
Speaker 4: That he could refuse. And at the end of the day,

697
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:33,559
it's going to be a good hands.

698
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 3: You know, the plans. I'm aware of the plans that.

699
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,759
Speaker 4: His excellence he has for the magazine and you know,

700
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:42,480
he's going to invest a lot more money in it,

701
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:44,640
and I think it's a win win for all the plans.

702
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,519
Speaker 3: You know, they're going to see a lot more things from.

703
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,599
Speaker 4: The Ring Magazine and it was great it was a

704
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:51,440
good It was a good deal overall.

705
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,359
Speaker 2: Well, I do look forward to the return of the

706
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,720
hard copy magazine because it's something that's not I read

707
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:58,519
obviously plenty of stuff on the Internet, but it's still

708
00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:00,759
something about holding the magazine or the new paper in

709
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:03,920
your hands that makes it a little bit different. I

710
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:05,759
want to cover a couple other topics not related to

711
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:10,240
Saudi Arabia. A couple of days ago, it was announced that,

712
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,519
in conjunction with the Rizon Promotions in Japan and fan Meo,

713
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,759
that Ryan Garcia, a fighter that you guys promote obviously

714
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,400
but who was under suspension in the United States because

715
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,599
of his drug situation that's stemming from the Devon Hainey

716
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,480
fight in April, that he will take part in a

717
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,519
junior middle eight exhibition one hundred and fifty three pounds,

718
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:31,400
two minute rounds eight rounds against the Japanese kickboxing star

719
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:34,799
Ryukia and Po, a fighter who maybe not well known

720
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,279
in America, but he kicked Manny Pakio's ass in an

721
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:39,400
exhibition not that long ago, and now he's going to

722
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,599
be taking on Ryan in this exhibition match that will

723
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,359
take place. And so what was your thoughts about that

724
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:48,880
did you guys have to sign off on that, because obviously,

725
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,799
as his exclusive promoter, that would seem like something that

726
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,640
you would have to at least have a conversation about,

727
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:56,160
what's your thoughts about him partaking in an exhibition even

728
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,599
though he's currently under suspension orlwire.

729
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 4: And you know, we we had liminary talks with New

730
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,759
York to make sure that they're aware and they're okay

731
00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,079
with it. It's an exhibition fight. It's not gonna be

732
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,960
boxing rules. It's it's a little bit different. They're modified.

733
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:13,559
Speaker 3: Uh, it's it's a show, you know.

734
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,039
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be doing a little bit of

735
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,240
a concert as well. He's gonna sing a couple of songs,

736
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,680
and he's gonna and he's gonna do this this this match.

737
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 2: So what are the modified rules though? Because I mean,

738
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,440
I mean other than the other than the two minute rounds.

739
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,200
I mean it was announcement two minute rounds, eight rounds.

740
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,720
It's eight rounds, two minute rounds.

741
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: The bigger gloves, you know, just to name a few.

742
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,200
But yeah, look, I think it's great for Ryan. I

743
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,480
think it's important for him to stay out and be

744
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:46,039
relevant and put his fans and you know, he's he's

745
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:46,960
taken this serious.

746
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: He's he's back in camp.

747
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:52,119
Speaker 4: He's had enough of the layoff where he wants to

748
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,400
get back into it, back into shape. He's honoring the

749
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,960
suspension first and foremost. That's the that's the most important thing.

750
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,720
We're gonna honor that, and it's gonna prepare him for

751
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,000
when he eventually does come back, because it's a win win,

752
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:05,359
it's gonna it's gonna.

753
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:05,799
Speaker 3: Get him shame.

754
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 4: He's gonna have you know, it's not a sporting session.

755
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,440
They're not gonna have head gears, so you know it's

756
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,880
gonna it's gonna keep them sharp. So I think it's

757
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:14,839
a win win overall.

758
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,839
Speaker 2: Well, I guess there would be some that might have

759
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:19,119
another view from the other point of view that it

760
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,200
actually isn't honoring the suspension because he is going forward

761
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,359
and having a boxing match, whether it's under notified rules

762
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,640
or not. But he's getting paid, he's gonna be in

763
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,319
the ring with another professional. They're gonna wear boxing gloves,

764
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:31,319
they're gonna do a fight. You know, they're gonna make weight,

765
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,400
whatever the case may be. So I guess we could

766
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,319
have a difference of opinion on that. One of the

767
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:38,720
things that I thought was interesting on Latino Night is

768
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:42,279
that during the course of the broadcast, Oscar was there,

769
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:46,039
of course, as was you know, your top junior middleweight contender,

770
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:48,880
Virgil Ortiz Junior, and they were being interviewed about what's

771
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,160
next for Virgial. He's been rumored to be another man

772
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:54,039
that is possible for this February twenty second read season card,

773
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,559
and they were mentioning different names. You know, we all

774
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:59,160
know the guys that that Virgil wants if he's mentioned

775
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:02,640
boutsen Is and Terrence Crawford and Fondora. So I guess

776
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,920
the question is are we going to see Virgil back

777
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,160
in action on February twenty second, and which way are

778
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,480
we going one of these There's a lot of good

779
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:11,039
guys he can match up with if if the deals

780
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:12,599
can get done.

781
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 4: We started talk for a preliminary fight with a preliminary

782
00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:17,960
talk for a.

783
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:18,639
Speaker 3: Fight with Boots.

784
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:22,119
Speaker 2: That's a great matchup, uh and Virgil's.

785
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 3: Wants that fight. He's willing to do it.

786
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 4: So we've started talk going on the next couple of

787
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:27,360
weeks whether we can get.

788
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:27,679
Speaker 3: It done or not.

789
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: So obviously that would mean Boots would be moving up

790
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,320
to fight him at one hundred and fifty four.

791
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,679
Speaker 3: Yes, correct, that's correct.

792
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,519
Speaker 2: I mean when I hear about a fight like that,

793
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,039
I get excited. I mean I just can't. I mean,

794
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,480
that's if you were saying to somebody like, hey, go

795
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:42,840
right down, like you know, you're, you know whatever, your

796
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,079
top ten, twelve, fifteen fights you'd be interested to see

797
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:48,239
in boxing, I would imagine that some people might say, hey,

798
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,559
that's one of them.

799
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,559
Speaker 3: It is, it is. It's a great fight to uni

800
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:57,320
feed champions, both American. You know, Boots is done.

801
00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:59,679
Speaker 4: Great for himself at WELTERWAD He's going to move up

802
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,199
now challenge I went forty four. And you know Virgil,

803
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,880
since he got through with his illness, he's been great.

804
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,639
You know, it was a tough fight his last fight,

805
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:11,079
but he pulled it off and now you know he

806
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:14,400
wants to step into these big fights. And uh, it's

807
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,159
a win win for the fans. Whenever you have two

808
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,760
guys that are undefeated, both champions, fighting each other pretty

809
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:20,480
much in their prime.

810
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 2: You know, they're still young, no doubt about it. I mean,

811
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,159
Virgil what, he's the interim champion of the WBC and

812
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,639
Boots is the IBF welterweight champion, and like you said,

813
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:30,119
both undefeated, both exciting styles. I mean, why not make

814
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,119
the match if they're willing. And one thing we know,

815
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,719
Eric is that when riad season is involved, the money

816
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,320
is there to have to make these types of matches.

817
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a great thing about his excellency.

818
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 4: You know, he's the one that's you know, pretty much

819
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:47,360
making these big fights happen because you know, he's investing,

820
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,320
he's investing.

821
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: In boxing, and it's and and you know.

822
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:55,079
Speaker 4: It's very very important to be able to do that

823
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,119
so we can get these fights because it grows the support,

824
00:35:57,199 --> 00:35:59,800
it grows our support, it grows the awareness for the

825
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:02,840
and when people hear about these fights, they get very excited.

826
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,159
No different than when we were gonna do the fight

827
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:08,639
with Zoo, with Tim Zuo, people were very excited about

828
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:12,000
that fight with Virgil Ortiz. Unfortunately we weren't able to

829
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,880
do it because of his injuries.

830
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,159
Speaker 3: But you know, this is that type of fight. People

831
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:19,400
get excited for these fights. There's so much on the line.

832
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 4: It's a win win again for everybody, for the fans,

833
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:25,880
for you guys and media, everybody.

834
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you about one other guy. That's

835
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,119
on the Golden Boy roster. What's what's the latest on

836
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,280
Floyd's schoolfield? You're excellent undefeated lightweight.

837
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 3: Floyd. Floyd's on vacation. He's resting now.

838
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 2: He did long ago.

839
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just fought a couple of weeks back and

840
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:46,000
it was a tough fight, tough fight, but he pulled

841
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:46,400
it off.

842
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: And look, he's marching towards a significant fight.

843
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:52,679
Speaker 4: You know, he's still a little bit young, he's still learning,

844
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,559
and he's cracked now the top ten.

845
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: I believe he's number four or three in the WBM.

846
00:36:59,000 --> 00:36:59,400
I'm not sure.

847
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 4: I don't have it front of me, but yeah, we're

848
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,039
just gonna keep building him and I think that sometime

849
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:06,840
next year he should have some sort of significant fight,

850
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,480
whether it's an eliminator, whether we get a chance for

851
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,519
a world title. But he's there, he's there, he keeps

852
00:37:12,519 --> 00:37:16,440
getting better, he's learning. We're excited about him. He's an

853
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,199
exciting fighter.

854
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:19,639
Speaker 2: I want to wrap up with this, Eric, this is

855
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,119
a very important question. I want to know. Are you

856
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:25,719
as big of a fan as Oscars Clapback Thursdays as

857
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,159
I am?

858
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,559
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, And it should be coming out any any

859
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,719
any in any minute.

860
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: Now, well, some people know we're taping this on Thursday,

861
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,239
so yes, I'm anxiously awaiting Oscars clapback Thursday. Does he

862
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,920
tell you what he's going to talk about? Do you

863
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:42,760
like shake your head.

864
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 3: No, he comes up with it himself.

865
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:49,599
Speaker 4: He might call me for some information or facts whatever,

866
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:51,880
but no, it's all him. It's all him, and I

867
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,920
believe his lovely fiance Holly uh you know, she she

868
00:37:57,079 --> 00:37:57,880
helps him with it.

869
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: And it's great. I mean, we've got a great response.

870
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,239
You know, so many.

871
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:05,199
Speaker 4: People call us and they love it, especially when he

872
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:06,519
goes after Eddie a little bit.

873
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 3: But no, it's yeah, but it's great though. It's great,

874
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,199
and it's at it and it helps, you know, it

875
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,679
helps promote the support of boxing.

876
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:17,599
Speaker 2: I love it. Eric. I appreciate your time for this.

877
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:19,119
We were able to cover a lot of topics, a

878
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:20,719
lot of guys, a lot of Golden Boy stuff, So

879
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,920
thank you very much for your time. I wish you

880
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,039
have a great holiday season. I look forward to some

881
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,519
big Golden Boys stuff coming up next year.

882
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 4: Well, thank you Dan as always, and thank you for

883
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,440
always supporting Golden Boy our fights and boxing in general.

884
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,079
Speaker 3: But thank you. I'm always available and anytime we want

885
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:39,519
to chat.

886
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: All right, there you go, everybody. That's Eric Gomez, the

887
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,360
president of Golden Boy Promotions. Thank you, Eric.

888
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:46,079
Speaker 3: Take care.

889
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: As mentioned, it has been a bit, but I love

890
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,920
catching up with the boxing writer David Payne in England.

891
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 5: You and I do converse off.

892
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:58,679
Speaker 1: The podcast, but here I get to formally do this

893
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,960
and actually, full disclosure, you and I can see each

894
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,800
other on the on the video hookup, et cetera. Good

895
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,480
to be with you, my friend, as we hang here

896
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:08,920
in one of the final weekends of the year. We're

897
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,159
winding down twenty twenty four. How are things? First of all,

898
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,920
little Chili, I believe in England, I've been saw some

899
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:18,880
saying snow right now in England a little bit, so

900
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:19,880
you're all right.

901
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 6: I'm good. Yes, we've got snow up north where I

902
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,280
Herald from, so I'm getting photographs of Yorkshire beneath snow.

903
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:32,119
But yeah, otherwise good. Busy and hectic as always, but

904
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,400
always good to catch up with you and chin wag

905
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,599
about the old boxing.

906
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 5: I like the chin wag, all right.

907
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: So there was some chin wagging and some other things

908
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,880
in North Texas at and T Stadium. Jake Paul Mike

909
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:50,159
Tyson spectacle more so than action or fight. Did this

910
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,400
register in the UK? I'm just curious, from media coverage

911
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,599
to the circles you run in internet and otherwise do

912
00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:01,840
you did the Brits care a lot about this just

913
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,320
because of the name Mike Tyson, even at fifty eight.

914
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:08,079
Speaker 6: One hundred percent, Yeah, one hundred percent if you want

915
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:13,320
the water cooler measure, the benchmark, the cafeteria, the canteen,

916
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,880
the grandma as the people in the shop. Yes, they

917
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,599
were talking about this fight like it was a fight

918
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,920
with a kind of twinkling their eye, a tongue in

919
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,960
the cheek, all the other cliches that we had to

920
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,559
attach to it because no one really knew what it was,

921
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,599
but people had bought into the five second clips of Tyson.

922
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,639
Tried to forget his fifty eight years and the fact

923
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:38,400
he looked absolutely knacked in two thousand and five and

924
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,519
his history of quitting in fights when it's not going

925
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:43,280
his way, et cetera, because he was bored and fed

926
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,320
up of the sport. But at fifty eight he looked

927
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,599
in good shape. But it's not there anymore. As you

928
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:50,800
and I know, TJ were fast approaching those sort of

929
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,239
numbers in your mind, it's still there, but when you

930
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,159
go to do it with the body, it doesn't quite

931
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:58,239
do with what you expected to do. So I think

932
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,280
that's what he found and everyone got out and hurt.

933
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,039
A lot of money was made, which only increases the

934
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:07,960
probability that we will find some other way of doing

935
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,840
something similar in the future, and we will see more

936
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,840
of this. Scientists debate, but it's hard to conjure a

937
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,960
figure that's going to draw the crowd and the kind

938
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,480
of interest that Tyson did. That's a fixture that's going

939
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:24,000
to be hard to recreate. Numbers wise, I would imagine.

940
00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:27,199
Speaker 1: I love your nostalgic mind, your insight like I am.

941
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,559
Because he came back, Does it cheapen it some more

942
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,719
because we have to attach this to the career that

943
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,760
he's trying to do this at age fifty eight, or

944
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,960
does the nostalgic David Payne, the boxing writer, still just

945
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,159
want to remember Tyson of the heyday, Tyson of the

946
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:50,280
late eighties, ninety post prison getting heavyweight title belts back

947
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,559
before Evander Holyfield beat him again. That was almost thirty

948
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:56,480
years ago that that was going on. What about for you?

949
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,199
Speaker 6: I think this is irrelevant. We can all accept this

950
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,519
is irrelevant. If he'd been forty five, maybe there's some

951
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:09,079
sort of smudge on his record. But I've always tried

952
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,920
to view Tyson in the round TJ in the sense

953
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,559
that his peak was very brief, two three, four years perhaps,

954
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:24,599
and a lot of his career post Douglas was curated,

955
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,000
avoiding risk until such time as the biggest paydays were available,

956
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:35,760
managing his waning and wayward interest, just to capitalize on

957
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,239
the name and the money. And I think he was

958
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:41,360
a participant in that. It was done on his behalf

959
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,480
when he was a participant in that too. He's an

960
00:42:44,559 --> 00:42:47,360
amazing fighter, and for those two or three years he

961
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,280
deserves mentioned alongside anyone you care to name. But in

962
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,920
the round, his career has always had a sense of

963
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,079
what could have been, even for all his achievements. But

964
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:01,440
this is so far removed from the reality of that

965
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:04,800
career that it has no weight for me.

966
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 5: I understand.

967
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:09,039
Speaker 1: All Right, So the fight before that, and I said

968
00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:11,360
this going in, and it was not a nuclear secret

969
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,000
as we like to say. I mean, we were looking

970
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:17,920
forward to Amanda Serrano, Katie Taylor, to the Katie Taylor,

971
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,119
Amanda Serrano too, because she had the four belts and

972
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,840
had the victory over Amanda. All right, so I wonder

973
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,280
from a distance, what did you think of that one?

974
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:31,400
Do you agree with the decision? I obviously was very

975
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,239
outspoken that I thought Serrano one.

976
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 5: What did you think about this?

977
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:41,079
Speaker 6: I heard your very outspoken views on this, your passionate

978
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,840
debate or demonstration or soapbox moment.

979
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 5: Yes, I might have had five soapbox moments. You're correct

980
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,800
on the previous part with Raphaeld.

981
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was nice to see don giving you, giving

982
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,920
you the platform to get it off your chest. I'm

983
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,639
sure that was cathartic for you. It was an incredibly

984
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:01,360
close fight, and I wouldn't argue with the score that

985
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,840
had Serano winning in the same way I wouldn't have

986
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,039
argued in the first fight. It's unusual in two such

987
00:44:07,079 --> 00:44:14,079
intense fights, such evenly matched fighters to equal box office draws,

988
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,880
that the fights don't go one each way, because that

989
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:20,360
would have lent itself even more to the third fight,

990
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,360
wouldn't it, of course, as the rubber match for both

991
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,159
of them, which is the richest fight of both of

992
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:29,159
them and the richest fighting in women's boxing. A tremendous event.

993
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:34,119
I didn't score as I went along Tjen. I took

994
00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:36,960
the view of this is a very special occasion. Let's

995
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:40,719
just enjoy this absolute madness for the twenty minutes that

996
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,280
we'll get of it, because we may not see it again.

997
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,039
We may not see too equally matched female fighters at

998
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:50,119
this level that they perform at ever again. So I

999
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,000
enjoyed it for what it was. I wouldn't have argued

1000
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,559
with the score either way by around, but I totally

1001
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:59,800
respect your view that you had Serrano winning, and I

1002
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,119
yeah off my cap to the comfy Box stats that

1003
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:05,679
show that she was outscoring over the second half of

1004
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,320
the fight. She's landing you. Some would argue with featherweight

1005
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,960
punches against the lightweight, and a lightweight's landing with lightweight

1006
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,000
punches against the featherweight, So it's got to be some

1007
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:18,840
bearing for that. And I also thought your argument that

1008
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,039
they were incompetent when they were scoring for Taylor in

1009
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:25,280
the last four rounds, but they were the benchmark that

1010
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:26,800
we should all look at when they were scoring for

1011
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,079
Serrano in the first half. Somewhat undermind your argument, but

1012
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:34,639
it's probably best we don't get into that. But I

1013
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,519
enjoyed that. I enjoyed the to and fro of tens

1014
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,400
and the to and fro between you two.

1015
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:44,119
Speaker 1: To one thing is undeniable. They fought in front of

1016
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,239
seventy thousand plus in the co main event, and according

1017
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,920
to Netflix, there were over fifty million accounts, not people,

1018
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:56,559
fifty million accounts worldwide watching, which makes this the most

1019
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,079
viewed women's sporting event east in North America.

1020
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 5: Ever.

1021
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,639
Speaker 6: I've got another I've got another measure for you, the

1022
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,519
people like people like Taylor and Natasha Jonas and Serrano

1023
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,119
and another another people even going back to Heather Hardy,

1024
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:20,039
I suppose, but Taylor is a phenomena here. And I

1025
00:46:20,159 --> 00:46:22,679
left the boxing gym fifteen years ago as a tired

1026
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:26,400
and battered old thirty five year old, and there was

1027
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,400
one female boxing at the club, at the amateur club

1028
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,599
I hasten to add. I've just been in contact with

1029
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,199
them in the last week, as we discussed off off camera,

1030
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:38,559
off Mike. They've now got six carded girls in their

1031
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:41,800
boxing club, one of whom is boxing at a pretty

1032
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:47,159
high level, almost the amateur system. That's obviously it's a

1033
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,039
very anecdotal measure, but it shows the impact that this

1034
00:46:50,159 --> 00:46:53,039
is a credible pursuit for girls, and it's great to

1035
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:57,000
see him taking up that challenge and taking up that opportunity.

1036
00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:59,440
And the doors are open at amateur clubs for females

1037
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,679
and that's a tremendous thing. And it shows how far

1038
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,880
we've come in the ten years that she's been a

1039
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,119
pro thereabouts off the top of my head, and how

1040
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:10,480
far he's come since she wasn't able to box over

1041
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:12,599
in Ireland and had to pretend to be a boy

1042
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,840
in order to have fights. So she's a phenomenon and

1043
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,920
so is Sarana. So yes, it's an amazing thing that

1044
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,559
they did from the seventy thousand people, and what a platform,

1045
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:24,639
what exposure for female boxing.

1046
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: No doubt love the boxing writer David Paine here for

1047
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,519
a few more minutes. Just I love chit chatting, commiserating

1048
00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:35,519
with him on all things. So we didn't talk a lot.

1049
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:37,159
I don't know if we talked at all on a

1050
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,840
pod about Dubois. When you did, I bow to you,

1051
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,199
you did say watch out.

1052
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 5: He's different.

1053
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: He's got a different trainer and as you guys like

1054
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,880
to say, he chinned Joshua will right away and was

1055
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,559
very impressive. So now this begs the question will he

1056
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,360
just simply wait for whatever happens with Fury and Usik,

1057
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,960
And in particular, if it's Fury, then that's logically the

1058
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:04,840
next fight. But if it's too sick, then I don't

1059
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,559
know that USA cares to fight Dubois again right now.

1060
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 5: I don't know what he has to prove. What do

1061
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,320
you think is next?

1062
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 1: While in limbo a little bit here for Dubois, he

1063
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,480
mentioned the name Jake Paul, who isn't right now because

1064
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:18,440
of the money the Golden Ticket.

1065
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 5: But I thought, on Dubois real quick, well.

1066
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 6: Let's leave Jake Paul out of it. We headed the show, Jake,

1067
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:27,599
Let's leave him out of it. They're all after that money,

1068
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:28,039
aren't they.

1069
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:28,599
Speaker 5: Sure?

1070
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 6: For Jubois was sensational. I know it's it's old news now,

1071
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:38,239
but he was sensational in his performance. Absolutely clubed Joshua.

1072
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,679
I won't say I called it, but I thought he

1073
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,639
was very, very dangerous for Joshua at this stage of

1074
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:46,559
his career. I thought Joshua had been very carefully managed

1075
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,119
this last year or two with the kind of opponents

1076
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:51,920
he had, and Dubois just seems to have found some

1077
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,920
things that was lacking in two or three years ago,

1078
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:58,159
and he's very refreshing to watch because he's come forward.

1079
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:01,000
He's aggressive, and he throws lots of heavy and there's

1080
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,760
not many of those around, or we haven't seen many

1081
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,599
of those around. He's definitely in limbo TJ. That's common

1082
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,679
sense and obvious, again, not a nuclear secret, that he's

1083
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,159
going to wait for the Fury U sic To shake out,

1084
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,880
because if Fury wins, we're presumably heading towards Fury Joshua,

1085
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,000
which will seem Ludi Chris given what Dubois has just

1086
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,400
done to Joshua. But there's so much money to be

1087
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,280
had they can't risk leaving it any longer as to

1088
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:30,599
presume there's a possibility of a trilogy match there. So

1089
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,960
those kind of things are all up in the air

1090
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:37,719
until we see the outcome of that December fight. Dubois

1091
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,760
has not got a long list of exciting big names

1092
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,119
on his IBF list that sit below him as champion.

1093
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,440
One or two have got fights coming up, but he'll

1094
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,760
want one. Would assume that he'll want one of those

1095
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,840
big fights if he can get one, but he won't

1096
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,119
want to sit around indefinitely, so he'll want quick news

1097
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:02,559
once that fight's resolved in in December. But I'm certainly

1098
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:04,920
and I hope many other people will be tuning into

1099
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,920
him as an attraction in his own right, not just

1100
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,119
necessarily because he's firing a Fury or a Joshua.

1101
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,639
Speaker 1: Or has he gained standing now? Is he a bigger

1102
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,280
name than what he was? Obviously because of that, Joshua

1103
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,280
will win in terms of media coverage and interest.

1104
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,639
Speaker 5: And how much does that help him?

1105
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 4: Oh?

1106
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,679
Speaker 6: Absolutely it helps him. He's a long way from reaching

1107
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,159
the star that Joshua has been of course all Fury

1108
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:32,039
for that matter, but he's definitely a legitimate known name.

1109
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:35,599
People saw that Joshua destruction. You couldn't write it off.

1110
00:50:35,639 --> 00:50:37,800
It wasn't a flute punch. He smashed him about for

1111
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:40,880
four or five rounds, put him over four times, was it.

1112
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,880
And it was the kind of performance that appeals. It

1113
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,119
appeals to the casual fan because it's a knockout puncher

1114
00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:51,159
that's coming forward and looking like he's going to take

1115
00:50:51,159 --> 00:50:53,800
your head off. So he's not a natural in front

1116
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,719
of the camera when he's not good gloves on in

1117
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,400
the ring, but he's certainly easy on the eye as

1118
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:03,159
a TV fighter and TV fighters draw crowds and draw casuals,

1119
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:05,760
and I think if he can learn to move his

1120
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,400
head a little more, he might be around for a

1121
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,079
year or two and he might cause an upset or

1122
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:10,599
two more yet, if he gets those.

1123
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,039
Speaker 5: Matches, love it. All right?

1124
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:15,119
Speaker 1: So before I let you go, and before we have

1125
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:19,320
to get out of here, Sonny Edwards Gallia five vacant

1126
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:26,920
WBC Interim flyweight title fight is upcoming next weekend in Birmingham, England.

1127
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:29,239
All right, So we know that Sonny can talk, we

1128
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,239
know that he can box, but we also know that

1129
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,280
Bam Rodriguez brutalized him about a year ago. All right,

1130
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,280
what do you make of this in the preview mode?

1131
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,360
How intrigued are you?

1132
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 6: And this is a great fight, TJ. I don't know

1133
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,599
how this transfers over to the US, you always asked

1134
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:48,960
me vice versa. I don't imagine he does the flyweight

1135
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:50,599
guys and below, as you were talking about in your

1136
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:54,239
podcast too with Dan, don't always translate to big audiences

1137
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,159
because often they don't bring the knockouts in the same way.

1138
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,199
But this is a really good fight between two top

1139
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,719
level operators. Your fire as a former Olympic medalist Sonny

1140
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,599
Edwards was a very good amateur and they've both been

1141
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:13,480
good pros. You fight turning over much later, and I

1142
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,000
think style wise it would be good. I think Edwards.

1143
00:52:18,159 --> 00:52:21,519
I think your Fire is not Bam Bam. I think

1144
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:25,199
he's got quicker hand speed and that caused Edwards problems,

1145
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,639
causing problems with distance as well. But it's a good

1146
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:30,960
style match up. Your Fire will come forward, he will

1147
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,199
throw punches. He's quite refined, he's not chaotic with his

1148
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,920
he's not all out. He's very precise in the main

1149
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:41,360
so he's a good boxer, but he's the punch if

1150
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,000
there is one in the fight. And Sonny, as we know,

1151
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:46,719
has got that kind of elusive slippery style, but he

1152
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,719
stood in the pocket too much with Bam Bam and

1153
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,559
paid the price for that. They've boxed, believe it or not,

1154
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,840
and this is widely available via their previews. They've boxed

1155
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,360
the estimate between one hundred and two hundred rounds together

1156
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:03,639
as am in the GP squad. Whilst your Fire is

1157
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:08,280
an inexperienced pro, he's a decorated amateur with Stax office

1158
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:11,559
and he's very very qualified in how to box Edwards.

1159
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:15,880
So it's a good fight, probably a distance fight, and

1160
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,280
it should be terrific because there's a little bit.

1161
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 2: Of bad blood.

1162
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 6: I'll finish on this. For those that don't know, Your

1163
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,960
Fire was selected for the GB Olympic squad despite the

1164
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,239
fact that Edwards beating him in an amateur fight the

1165
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,599
year before. The person selecting the squad the GP squad

1166
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:35,880
was Rob McCracken, which was Your Fire's trainer, So that

1167
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,199
has burnt deep in Edwards. So there's a little bit

1168
00:53:38,199 --> 00:53:40,559
of bad blood that they would like to sort out

1169
00:53:40,639 --> 00:53:43,159
who was the best? Who is the best? And so

1170
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:45,400
there's quite a lot on the line above and beyond

1171
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,800
the ridiculous always vacant WBC interim title.

1172
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:51,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and you just gave me some great stuff

1173
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,880
for the preview mode for later this week. In advance

1174
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,800
from the Boxing Writer on Sunny Edwards and Galia Phi

1175
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,639
coming this coming weekend. Listen whenever I get a chance

1176
00:54:01,679 --> 00:54:04,239
to chat it up with you, I love it. Thank

1177
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,079
you for the time here. Let's try to do this

1178
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,840
again before the end of this year because we obviously

1179
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,239
have Fury Usic coming next month. I got to get

1180
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,639
the boxing right low down on that, my friend. Thank you,

1181
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,599
I know you went to extra links to be with

1182
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:19,679
me because it's late night in England while I'm talking

1183
00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:21,519
to you. So thank you for hanging with me here

1184
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:22,480
on the pod.

1185
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:26,679
Speaker 6: Always my pleasure. Great work with the podcast with Dan.

1186
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 2: Keep it up.

1187
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,599
Speaker 6: It's great to listen to and I will catch it

1188
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:32,840
with you whenever you reach out for me. I'll be here, mate.

1189
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:33,519
Speaker 5: Love it.

1190
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: Find him at boxing writer dot co dot UK. I

1191
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,239
love the insight and have for years of David Payne

1192
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,159
be well my friend.

1193
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:42,760
Speaker 5: So there we go. That will do it.

1194
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: On this edition of the Fight Freaks Unite Recap podcast.

1195
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:49,519
Again we traditionally have news, nostalgic, et cetera. There just

1196
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:52,840
was not a lot for this weekend. But that doesn't

1197
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,360
mean we're not going to be back later this weekend

1198
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,320
and around the Thanksgiving holiday. I know some of you

1199
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,760
may be traveling here in the United States. Fear not.

1200
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:01,760
We will be here later in the week with more

1201
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,920
in the preview mode on the Sunny Edwards fight coming

1202
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,880
with Galia Phi and that entire card for England this weekend,

1203
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,000
some good nostalgia midweek two to go over with Dan

1204
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,760
and we'll find out about the Thanksgiving dinner table, lunch

1205
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,320
table dinner table, etc. The travel plans all of that

1206
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,280
that'll be coming later on in the week. By the way,

1207
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,039
for more of Dan's thoughts and reporting on everything from

1208
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:25,559
this weekend, once again, find his substack, the Fight Freaks

1209
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:29,400
Unite substack. Beyond his newsletter and on his social media,

1210
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,920
you can obviously find out more through Twitter, x, Facebook, Instagram, etc.

1211
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:39,079
What his thoughts and what his comments are, as well

1212
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:40,039
as the substack.

1213
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,119
Speaker 5: For now, I am TJ. Reeves.

1214
00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:45,519
Speaker 1: Have a fantastic Thanksgiving week. Dan and I will be

1215
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:47,719
here later in the week in and around the Thanksgiving

1216
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,760
holiday on the podcast feed, so make sure you're following

1217
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,880
in subscribing. Hope you enjoyed the content here off of

1218
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,199
the weekend on the Fight Freaks Unite Recap podcast