WEBVTT

1
00:00:07.599 --> 00:00:11.599
<v Speaker 1>A poultergeist, often called a noisy ghost, is a supernatural

2
00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:16.640
<v Speaker 1>entity believed to cause physical disturbances, from unexplained noises to

3
00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:21.559
<v Speaker 1>objects moving on their own. In eighteen seventy eight, a

4
00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:23.920
<v Speaker 1>young woman became the center of one of the most

5
00:00:24.079 --> 00:00:29.440
<v Speaker 1>chilling and well documented poultergeist cases in history. It became

6
00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:34.640
<v Speaker 1>known as the Great Amherst Mystery. What began as a

7
00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:40.560
<v Speaker 1>strange knocking in whispers soon escalated into terrifying attacks, spontaneous fires,

8
00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and violent paranormal activity that shook an entire town. This

9
00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:50.399
<v Speaker 1>is the haunting Tale of Esther Cox.

10
00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:56.039
<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked Ingram,

11
00:00:56.240 --> 00:01:03.840
<v Speaker 2>a true crime podcast material.

12
00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Audience listeners, big massive news in the true crime community

13
00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:32.680
<v Speaker 1>and minor news in our true crime community. We're not

14
00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:35.840
<v Speaker 1>doing it to true crime case today, We're doing paranormal.

15
00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:40.079
<v Speaker 1>That's our minor news. We're taking it from true crime

16
00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:41.799
<v Speaker 1>to something a little bit, you know, a little more

17
00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:44.599
<v Speaker 1>haunting today.

18
00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Just for fun, what did you call the ghost.

19
00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:50.079
<v Speaker 1>Poultrygeist, poultry geist, poultergeist.

20
00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:51.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't think I've ever heard.

21
00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:53.079
<v Speaker 1>That, You've never heard the term poultry ghist.

22
00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:55.159
<v Speaker 2>Last night right before we're about to go to sleep.

23
00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.280
<v Speaker 2>You're like, the case is this, and I was like.

24
00:01:57.319 --> 00:02:00.480
<v Speaker 1>What you have heard? You've heard of that because you

25
00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:03.120
<v Speaker 1>like the Amityville horror. That's a poltergeist.

26
00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:05.879
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, maybe I'm just not retaining that name.

27
00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Then apparently not, but it's also known as a noisy ghost.

28
00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Basically the ones that like, yeah, it's like stuff.

29
00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:15.919
<v Speaker 2>Moves, and the ones that are like a real menace.

30
00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those are Poultergeist.

31
00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:17.879
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

32
00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that that's our minor news is that we're

33
00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:22.680
<v Speaker 1>not doing true crime today. We're going to talk about

34
00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:25.639
<v Speaker 1>a Poultergeist. But the massive true crime news this week

35
00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:32.479
<v Speaker 1>is that they may have identified Jack the Ripper, which

36
00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:33.319
<v Speaker 1>is wild.

37
00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:35.039
<v Speaker 2>That's a big one, eh.

38
00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:36.719
<v Speaker 1>It is. I'm not going to go into a whole

39
00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:38.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of detail about who it is or anything like that.

40
00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:41.159
<v Speaker 1>It takes a quick google and you'll find it. I

41
00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:43.080
<v Speaker 1>can even put a link in the description of this

42
00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:46.240
<v Speaker 1>episode if you're interested in going and finding it out.

43
00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.000
<v Speaker 1>But basically, they did the whole like genetic genealogy thing

44
00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.639
<v Speaker 1>mm hm, and they found distant family members of this

45
00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:56.840
<v Speaker 1>individual who they believe is Jack the Ripper, not one

46
00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:00.599
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent confirmed. Yet it's basically like they have a

47
00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:04.800
<v Speaker 1>suspect and they have evidence, and he's if he were alive,

48
00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:06.759
<v Speaker 1>he'd probably be handcuffed. Now he's got to go to

49
00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:09.599
<v Speaker 1>trial that sort of thing. Okay, so he hasn't been

50
00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:13.719
<v Speaker 1>tried and found guilty yet, but they have what they believe.

51
00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Is enough evidence, enough evidence, which is wild crazy. Yeah,

52
00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:21.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, gosh, you have to sometimes you have to

53
00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:26.439
<v Speaker 2>be thankful maybe for this like ancestry stuff, hey, because

54
00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:28.039
<v Speaker 2>it is solving a lot of cases.

55
00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:31.520
<v Speaker 1>It really is. This ancestry stuff is helping a lot.

56
00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:34.159
<v Speaker 1>So if if you have nothing to hide, maybe it's

57
00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:37.960
<v Speaker 1>worth putting your DNA in this data bank because you

58
00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:42.039
<v Speaker 1>could potentially convict one of your relatives.

59
00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:45.240
<v Speaker 2>A which is probably something you'd rather know, yeah.

60
00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:48.120
<v Speaker 1>Most most certainly, and be make the world a little

61
00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:49.800
<v Speaker 1>bit safer too. So yeah, I'm going to leave that

62
00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:50.960
<v Speaker 1>up to you though, if you want to do it

63
00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:51.240
<v Speaker 1>or not.

64
00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:53.240
<v Speaker 2>But because yeah, I was kind of all, well, not

65
00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:56.159
<v Speaker 2>against them, but I was like, oh no. But then

66
00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:59.439
<v Speaker 2>now that they're solving cases and I have nothing to hide,

67
00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, uh, okay, maybe this isn't too bad.

68
00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:07.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So now let's go back from Jack the Ripper stuff.

69
00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Back to our little story today.

70
00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:12.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, we have some patrons to thank first.

71
00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I guess we should probably thank our patrons.

72
00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we sure do.

73
00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Em will slipped right past that. Thank you for the reminder.

74
00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Shout out to Lauren Franklin and Vivian Green, who both

75
00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:24.720
<v Speaker 1>signed up on Patreon this week. They get the hole

76
00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:27.480
<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes, they get the exclusive episode you name it.

77
00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of which I should probably start looking at which

78
00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:31.879
<v Speaker 1>exclusive episode is going to come out at the end

79
00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:32.279
<v Speaker 1>of the month.

80
00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I know that's next week?

81
00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:34.519
<v Speaker 1>Is it already?

82
00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Is it next Friday? I believe? I think wow, Yeah.

83
00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:42.839
<v Speaker 1>Which means if we're if it's next Friday, that means

84
00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.079
<v Speaker 1>we're getting into marchall soon. So Springs just around the corner.

85
00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Ring is here. Basically it's minus twenty right now, so

86
00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:50.279
<v Speaker 2>I can't say that.

87
00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:58.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh gotta love Canada. But yeah, let's talk about a poultergeist. Okay,

88
00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, a poltergeist is yeah, a noisy ghost, like

89
00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:04.079
<v Speaker 1>you said, those ones that are a real menace. And

90
00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:07.279
<v Speaker 1>the case today is a Canadian case that we're talking about.

91
00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Amherst is over on the East coast of Canada, and

92
00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:15.720
<v Speaker 1>this is probably the most well documented poltergeist case in

93
00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:17.199
<v Speaker 1>history period.

94
00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, which is insane, and how long ago?

95
00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:24.240
<v Speaker 1>We are going back quite a way where we are

96
00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:28.199
<v Speaker 1>going back to the eighteen hundreds from okay, well yeah,

97
00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:30.720
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, are you ready for it? Let's do or okay,

98
00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:33.639
<v Speaker 1>So we're heading back not just to the eighteen hundreds,

99
00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:37.519
<v Speaker 1>but specifically to the eight year eighteen seventy eight. We're

100
00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:40.920
<v Speaker 1>heading to a little quiet town known as Amherst in

101
00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:42.120
<v Speaker 1>Nova Scotia, Canada.

102
00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:43.319
<v Speaker 2>I like that name.

103
00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.399
<v Speaker 1>That's cute Amhurst, isn't it. It sounds cozy. It's very

104
00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:47.160
<v Speaker 1>cottage core.

105
00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

106
00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:51.319
<v Speaker 1>You know. Now, back then Amherst had only about three

107
00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:54.120
<v Speaker 1>thousand people living there. Now today that number is only

108
00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:56.879
<v Speaker 1>grown to around nine thousands. So it's not exactly you know,

109
00:05:57.000 --> 00:06:01.279
<v Speaker 1>explosive population as far as where the place is. But

110
00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:06.959
<v Speaker 1>small then small, Now that's my point. It's peaceful. It's

111
00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:10.519
<v Speaker 1>a picturesque place full of charming homes. It had, you know,

112
00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:14.279
<v Speaker 1>nice little, neatly kept lawns and all the perfect little

113
00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:17.240
<v Speaker 1>places to live. Not exactly the kind of town you'd

114
00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:19.240
<v Speaker 1>expect to become the setting for something straight out of

115
00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:23.519
<v Speaker 1>a horror movie. But this summer. I like, how that

116
00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.639
<v Speaker 1>this coming this summer? It's very horror movie.

117
00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Kind of pretty much.

118
00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:32.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but this summer, seriously darkness took root in this

119
00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:36.720
<v Speaker 1>town and something that people would later call was from

120
00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:38.480
<v Speaker 1>the work of the devil himself.

121
00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:41.720
<v Speaker 2>WHOA Okay, so we're like really in for it here.

122
00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So let's talk about a perfectly ordinary house in

123
00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Amherst that lived on and was perched on Princess Street. Yeah.

124
00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:52.680
<v Speaker 1>If things couldn't get perfect enough.

125
00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:55.120
<v Speaker 2>This has this been made into a movie, because it's

126
00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:56.199
<v Speaker 2>already sounded like one.

127
00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if it had. I didn't

128
00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:01.120
<v Speaker 1>do enough research to find, you know, what's come out

129
00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:02.800
<v Speaker 1>of it as far as like Hollywood and books and

130
00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.399
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. But I would not be surprised if

131
00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:10.879
<v Speaker 1>this had been if it birthed some productions and'd say

132
00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:15.759
<v Speaker 1>that yep. Now, this house on Princess Street was a nice, cozy,

133
00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.399
<v Speaker 1>two story cottage where Daniel and Olive Teed lived with

134
00:07:19.439 --> 00:07:23.240
<v Speaker 1>their two little boys, Willie and George. Also sharing the

135
00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:27.399
<v Speaker 1>house were Daniel's brother John and Olive's three sisters, her

136
00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:30.759
<v Speaker 1>brother William Cox and her sorry three siblings her brother

137
00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:35.720
<v Speaker 1>William Cox and her two unmarried sisters, Jane and Esther Cox.

138
00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Now the Teed's and the Coxes were a close knit

139
00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:42.560
<v Speaker 1>family together, they were well liked and they were well respected.

140
00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.519
<v Speaker 1>Esther was the youngest of youngest sister at eighteen years old,

141
00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and she was known for helping out with her nephews

142
00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.800
<v Speaker 1>while Olive kept the house running smoothly. To everyone who

143
00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:56.319
<v Speaker 1>knew them, they were good, decent people, making what happened

144
00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.879
<v Speaker 1>next even more shocking. So it was on August twenty eighth,

145
00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:03.160
<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventy eight, that Esther came home in a terrible state.

146
00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:07.480
<v Speaker 1>She was shaken absolutely to her core. See that evening

147
00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:09.279
<v Speaker 1>she had gone for a carriage ride with a man

148
00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:11.639
<v Speaker 1>by the name of Bob McNeil. He was a young

149
00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:14.360
<v Speaker 1>man who was a shoemaker who had been courting her

150
00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.399
<v Speaker 1>for the last little while, so this should have been

151
00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.000
<v Speaker 1>a pleasant outing. However, it turned into something more of

152
00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:24.360
<v Speaker 1>a nightmare. See, Bob drove her and himself far beyond

153
00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:26.439
<v Speaker 1>the limits of the town to this carriage ride out

154
00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:30.879
<v Speaker 1>into the woods, and while there alone secluded, he suddenly

155
00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.440
<v Speaker 1>pulled out a revolver and ordered her to get out

156
00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:38.279
<v Speaker 1>of the carriage. Or else. Esther was terrified. The man

157
00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:41.679
<v Speaker 1>that she had trusted now was about to kill her,

158
00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:44.120
<v Speaker 1>or so it seemed. But before he could do anything,

159
00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and before Esther could react, the sound of an approaching

160
00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:51.240
<v Speaker 1>wagon was growing off in the distance. Without a word,

161
00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Bob jumped back into the carriage and drove them back home.

162
00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:59.559
<v Speaker 1>She arrived home safe, soaked from the rain, trembling, and

163
00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:02.440
<v Speaker 1>barely able to speak a word. She went straight to

164
00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:06.279
<v Speaker 1>bed and wasn't seen again until morning. Over the next

165
00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:09.559
<v Speaker 1>few days, she kept her distance, avoiding the house and

166
00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:13.000
<v Speaker 1>wandering the streets or visiting neighbors. Her family assumed that

167
00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:15.039
<v Speaker 1>she and Bob had fought and you know, had given

168
00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:17.120
<v Speaker 1>her some space, not realizing the truth of what had

169
00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:20.039
<v Speaker 1>really happened between the two. They hoped that she'd get

170
00:09:20.039 --> 00:09:24.080
<v Speaker 1>over her her heartache in time, but every night they

171
00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:25.879
<v Speaker 1>could hear her crying herself to sleep.

172
00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:28.919
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's so sad.

173
00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Isn't it. Then, exactly a week after the carriage ride,

174
00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:36.519
<v Speaker 1>things started to get strange. That night, Esther and her

175
00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:40.039
<v Speaker 1>sister Jane were drifting off to sleep when a noise

176
00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:43.559
<v Speaker 1>from under the bed jolted them awake. At first, they

177
00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:45.720
<v Speaker 1>thought that it was just a mouse, so they searched

178
00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:48.879
<v Speaker 1>for it, but found nothing. The same thing happened the

179
00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:51.559
<v Speaker 1>next night. This time they traced the noise to a

180
00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:54.720
<v Speaker 1>wooden box filled with patchworks stored under the bed. And

181
00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.639
<v Speaker 1>by patchwork, you're looking at probably things along the lines of,

182
00:09:57.840 --> 00:09:59.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, making quilts and that sort of thing. So

183
00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:03.440
<v Speaker 1>so kind of box, right, yeap. When they found this box,

184
00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:05.480
<v Speaker 1>they were expecting a mouse to scurry out. They pulled

185
00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:07.200
<v Speaker 1>the box out into the middle of the room and

186
00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:09.720
<v Speaker 1>waited to see what would happen, seeing if the mouse

187
00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:11.879
<v Speaker 1>would run to the corner, run under the bed or what.

188
00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.559
<v Speaker 1>And they could try and you know, get it, capture it, whatever.

189
00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.039
<v Speaker 1>And that's when something happened that neither of them could explain.

190
00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:22.279
<v Speaker 1>The box suddenly leaped into the air, about a foot

191
00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.320
<v Speaker 1>off the ground before landing on its side. No mouse

192
00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:32.240
<v Speaker 1>and no logical explanation for what just happened. Terrified Jane

193
00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:35.440
<v Speaker 1>hesitantly set the box back in place, and it immediately

194
00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:39.279
<v Speaker 1>leapt again into the air. This clearly wasn't a mouse,

195
00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:43.799
<v Speaker 1>this wasn't a rodent, this wasn't anything natural. Panic set

196
00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.559
<v Speaker 1>in and the girls screamed for their brother in law, Daniel,

197
00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:49.879
<v Speaker 1>to come into the room. Now, Daniel wasn't exactly thrilled

198
00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:52.399
<v Speaker 1>about being dragged out of bed in the middle of

199
00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:55.879
<v Speaker 1>the night, And when Jane and Esther breathlessly told him

200
00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:59.039
<v Speaker 1>about this mysterious jumping box in the room, he just

201
00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:01.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of shook his head and chuckled and shoved it

202
00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:03.000
<v Speaker 1>back onto the bed like nothing had it.

203
00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Didn't believe them, Hey, No.

204
00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Didn't believe them whatsoever. And in all honesty, who's going

205
00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:09.759
<v Speaker 1>to believe you when you say I have a jumping

206
00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:11.600
<v Speaker 1>box under my bed?

207
00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I feel like most people probably would be very

208
00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:16.320
<v Speaker 2>skeptical of that.

209
00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Hey, one hundred percent. I would be inquiring as to

210
00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:22.799
<v Speaker 1>what you drank before bed? Was it niquill? Was it

211
00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:24.200
<v Speaker 1>something stronger? I don't know.

212
00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Can I have some exactly? Now?

213
00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:30.279
<v Speaker 1>The girls knew how ridiculous it sounded. They weren't, you know,

214
00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:33.200
<v Speaker 1>blinded by their own words and perspective. They knew what

215
00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:36.279
<v Speaker 1>they were saying sounded wild, but they weren't sure what

216
00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:39.480
<v Speaker 1>they just witnessed themselves. They're like, what, what's going on?

217
00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:41.799
<v Speaker 1>This wasn't our imagination? Was it?

218
00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Like?

219
00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:46.200
<v Speaker 1>We're not making this up? Something strange had happened. They

220
00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:51.080
<v Speaker 1>knew that but whatever it was, it's definitely wasn't over well.

221
00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:53.320
<v Speaker 2>The fact that both of two people saw it is

222
00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:55.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of helpful. At least they can kind of lean

223
00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:56.840
<v Speaker 2>into each other exactly.

224
00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, the next night things took a much dark turn.

225
00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:04.279
<v Speaker 1>Esther woke up feeling awful. In the middle of the night.

226
00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:08.960
<v Speaker 1>She shook Jane awake, panicked, creeping into her voice, She's screaming,

227
00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:13.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm dying, I'm dying. Jane fumbled the light and trying

228
00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:15.679
<v Speaker 1>to turn on a lamp, and when she turned she

229
00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:21.519
<v Speaker 1>saw her sister, and she looked horrible. Esther was now

230
00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:25.159
<v Speaker 1>standing in the middle of the room, completely rigid. Her

231
00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:29.559
<v Speaker 1>short hair bristled standing on end as if it electrified.

232
00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Her face was deep red, almost almost the color of blood,

233
00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:36.559
<v Speaker 1>and her eyes bulged unnaturally, as if they were ready

234
00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:39.960
<v Speaker 1>to pop out from her sockets. She gripped the back

235
00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.639
<v Speaker 1>of a wooden chair so hard that her nails were

236
00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:47.240
<v Speaker 1>digging into the wood. Jane screamed for help, and within

237
00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:49.559
<v Speaker 1>moments the rest of the household rushed into the room.

238
00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:52.440
<v Speaker 1>They tried to lead Esther back to bed, but she

239
00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:56.720
<v Speaker 1>fought them off, shrieking in agony, then in a voice

240
00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:00.600
<v Speaker 1>that was barely human. She gasped, I'm swelling up. I

241
00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:02.320
<v Speaker 1>know I'm going to burst.

242
00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, okay, Right.

243
00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Before the eyes of everyone in that room, her hands

244
00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:15.000
<v Speaker 1>and face began to swell grotesquely, her skin burning hot

245
00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.679
<v Speaker 1>to the touch. The red drained from her face and

246
00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.919
<v Speaker 1>was now replaced by a deathly pale hue. She writhed

247
00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:27.039
<v Speaker 1>and gnashed her teeth, her entire entire body ballooning to

248
00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:31.440
<v Speaker 1>an unnatural size. The family was frozen in horror, unsure

249
00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:35.279
<v Speaker 1>whether to call a doctor or a priest. Then came

250
00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.960
<v Speaker 1>an explosion. A deafening boom shook the house so loud

251
00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:42.960
<v Speaker 1>they thought lightning had struck the roof, but when Olive

252
00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:45.799
<v Speaker 1>peered outside, there was no sign of any storm or

253
00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:47.120
<v Speaker 1>nothing striking the home.

254
00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I thought for a second that was Esther the

255
00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:50.279
<v Speaker 2>big boom.

256
00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Oh, it definitely wasn't so. Just as

257
00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:57.679
<v Speaker 1>she turned back inside to look from as from looking outside,

258
00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.960
<v Speaker 1>another blast, this time even loud, rattled the very walls

259
00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:04.759
<v Speaker 1>of the room they stood in, and just like that,

260
00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:10.519
<v Speaker 1>Esther collapsed onto the bed. The swelling vanished, her body relaxed,

261
00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.960
<v Speaker 1>and within seconds she was fast asleep, as if nothing

262
00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:14.519
<v Speaker 1>had happened.

263
00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Holy that can you imagine just like witnessing your loved one?

264
00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:22.240
<v Speaker 2>Like whatever is going on there?

265
00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.919
<v Speaker 1>Hey, yeah, that's not a picture I think anyone could

266
00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:29.360
<v Speaker 1>imagine ever seeing, And if it is ever going to

267
00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:31.639
<v Speaker 1>be possible, no one would want to see that. No,

268
00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:36.679
<v Speaker 1>so this night was only the beginning. Strange noises soon

269
00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:42.200
<v Speaker 1>filled the house. Knocking, banging, rustling sounds came from seemingly

270
00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:46.360
<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere and everywhere, all at once. Four nights

271
00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:52.799
<v Speaker 1>after Esther's terrifying episode, it happened once again. She swelled up,

272
00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:55.840
<v Speaker 1>She was screaming in pain, and as soon as she

273
00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:59.360
<v Speaker 1>laid down, the blankets this time were ripped from her body,

274
00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:03.000
<v Speaker 1>as if by some unseen force, and they were flung

275
00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:06.720
<v Speaker 1>into the far corners of the room. Olive, trying to

276
00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:10.840
<v Speaker 1>comfort her, sister, rushed over and tried to grab these

277
00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:13.279
<v Speaker 1>blankets and putting them back on her. However, the bedding

278
00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:15.519
<v Speaker 1>was yanked away from her hands and a second time

279
00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:19.360
<v Speaker 1>they were thrown. This time a pillow shot from under

280
00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:23.679
<v Speaker 1>Esther's head and straight into john Ted's face. That wasn't enough.

281
00:15:23.720 --> 00:15:25.919
<v Speaker 1>That was enough for John He bolted from the room,

282
00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:29.399
<v Speaker 1>leaving the others to huddle around Esther's bed, physically holding

283
00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:31.639
<v Speaker 1>blankets down on her to try and keep them in

284
00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:33.759
<v Speaker 1>place as they were trying to be yanked and thrown

285
00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:38.519
<v Speaker 1>once again. The chaos went on for minutes before another

286
00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:45.679
<v Speaker 1>tremendous bang shook the room, just like before. Everything then stopped.

287
00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:50.399
<v Speaker 1>Esther's body returned to normal, and she drifted into an

288
00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:51.840
<v Speaker 1>exhausted sleep once again.

289
00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:55.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, I can only imagine what this is doing to

290
00:15:55.159 --> 00:15:56.600
<v Speaker 2>her poor little body.

291
00:15:56.639 --> 00:16:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Hey, ooh, the toll something like this would take ye now.

292
00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:04.960
<v Speaker 1>The next day a doctor was called in. He arrived

293
00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:09.320
<v Speaker 1>that evening determined to diagnose whatever mysterious illness was affecting Esther.

294
00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:13.080
<v Speaker 1>After a brief examination, he concluded that she was simply

295
00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:18.360
<v Speaker 1>suffering from an extreme nervous excitement, like likely triggered by

296
00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:22.480
<v Speaker 1>some kind of emotional shock. Nothing supernatural, nothing unusual, Just

297
00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:27.600
<v Speaker 1>a girl overcome by anxiety. That was his diagnosis when

298
00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:31.840
<v Speaker 1>he witnessed her. But he didn't witness the act.

299
00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:35.080
<v Speaker 2>The acts the I'm like, that's not like any anxiety

300
00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:35.759
<v Speaker 2>I've ever had.

301
00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:39.360
<v Speaker 1>No, when he was looking at her, when he was

302
00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:42.480
<v Speaker 1>examining her and you know, diagnosing her, none of these

303
00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:46.240
<v Speaker 1>supernatural things were occurring. He just simply saw Esther in

304
00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:50.440
<v Speaker 1>her state of you know, aftermath sort.

305
00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Of thing, right, kind of like how you said she

306
00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:55.399
<v Speaker 2>was exhausted, tired, and exactly.

307
00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.879
<v Speaker 1>So he's sitting here talking to the family saying, yeah,

308
00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:00.840
<v Speaker 1>you know what, she's in an emotional shock state. Something

309
00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:02.799
<v Speaker 1>must have happened. And you told us, you know she

310
00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:06.599
<v Speaker 1>whatever with the boyfriend. Yeah, so clearly something's going on.

311
00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.440
<v Speaker 1>She's just very anxious. And he's delivering this diagnosis to

312
00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:13.400
<v Speaker 1>the family and to Esther there presumably as.

313
00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, which could be right to some extent too. Oh,

314
00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:21.839
<v Speaker 2>definitely she did have like that traumatic event. I'm sure

315
00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:23.720
<v Speaker 2>that gave her some anxiety for sure too.

316
00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Well for sure. However, just as he was delivering this

317
00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:31.359
<v Speaker 1>diagnosis and speaking on what he's you know, seeing, that's

318
00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:36.759
<v Speaker 1>when something happened. The pillow that was under Esther's head

319
00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:40.640
<v Speaker 1>suddenly slid out and without anyone touching it. The doctor

320
00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:43.799
<v Speaker 1>watched it as the pillow just shot out, but then

321
00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.200
<v Speaker 1>dumbfound it. Before he can even react, the pillow moved

322
00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:50.240
<v Speaker 1>again and it went right back under her head. John

323
00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:52.240
<v Speaker 1>reached for it, but as soon as his fingers brushed

324
00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.799
<v Speaker 1>the fabric, it once again jerked away and flew away,

325
00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:58.440
<v Speaker 1>his hair on his on his head, and arms just

326
00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:01.960
<v Speaker 1>stood on end, just like before with the static electricity.

327
00:18:02.920 --> 00:18:09.599
<v Speaker 1>Then came the same banging. Loud insistent pounding echoed through

328
00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:12.839
<v Speaker 1>the house, shaking the walls as if invisible sledgehammers were

329
00:18:12.920 --> 00:18:18.079
<v Speaker 1>striking from all sides. The beds, blankets were all ripped away.

330
00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:22.160
<v Speaker 1>And this time all this was happening right in front

331
00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:23.039
<v Speaker 1>of the doctor.

332
00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:26.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is good that it's happening in front of someone.

333
00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:30.519
<v Speaker 1>Else, right exactly now, the most horrifying moment was yet

334
00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:34.319
<v Speaker 1>to come. A sharp scratching noise soon filled the room,

335
00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:39.720
<v Speaker 1>like something was carving into wood. Everyone turned around and

336
00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:43.000
<v Speaker 1>looked at the wall right above Esther's head, right above

337
00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:46.480
<v Speaker 1>the headboard of the bed, and there, as if etched

338
00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:50.240
<v Speaker 1>by an unseen hand, were the chilling words carved on

339
00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:56.160
<v Speaker 1>the wall saying, quote Esther Cox, you are mine to kill.

340
00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh serious, Yeah, this does.

341
00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Not seem real, it doesn't. But this is documented. Shit,

342
00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:07.000
<v Speaker 1>this is what I mean.

343
00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:09.440
<v Speaker 2>We are going back quite a way terrifying.

344
00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:13.400
<v Speaker 1>But there are people who documented these events, claiming to

345
00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:19.640
<v Speaker 1>have witnessed it, claiming that these things actually occurred. Then

346
00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:22.480
<v Speaker 1>as if to drive the message home, a chunk of

347
00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:25.720
<v Speaker 1>plaster tore itself from the wall, flew across the room,

348
00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:30.759
<v Speaker 1>twisted mid air and changed direction, and then landed neatly

349
00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:36.680
<v Speaker 1>right at the doctor's feet. The pounding continued, the walls

350
00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:40.680
<v Speaker 1>trembling as if caught in an earthquake. Esther lay motionless,

351
00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:44.680
<v Speaker 1>wide eyed with terror in the bed. The others stood frozen,

352
00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:47.680
<v Speaker 1>helpless against whatever forest had taken hold of their home.

353
00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:55.319
<v Speaker 1>For two agonizing hours, the nightmare raged on until without warning,

354
00:19:56.400 --> 00:20:00.640
<v Speaker 1>silence fell. Esther slumped into unconsciousness, sinking into what looked

355
00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:04.920
<v Speaker 1>like the deepest sleep of her life so far. The

356
00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:08.400
<v Speaker 1>doctor was present the whole time. He was pale and

357
00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.400
<v Speaker 1>visibly shaken, and had no words for what just happened.

358
00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:14.559
<v Speaker 1>He couldn't explain what he had witnessed, but he promised

359
00:20:14.559 --> 00:20:16.039
<v Speaker 1>that he was going to return the next day with

360
00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:18.279
<v Speaker 1>medicine to try and calm Esther's nerves.

361
00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:23.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I feel like they need something more than that.

362
00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Hey, well, what are you gonna do?

363
00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:27.960
<v Speaker 2>I know he wants to help, but it's like, what

364
00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:29.400
<v Speaker 2>can he do exactly?

365
00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:32.559
<v Speaker 1>The next evening, the doctor did return and gave Esther

366
00:20:32.720 --> 00:20:35.359
<v Speaker 1>a very powerful sedative, hoping that it would put an

367
00:20:35.480 --> 00:20:40.200
<v Speaker 1>end to whatever was happening. Now that didn't really do anything,

368
00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:42.200
<v Speaker 1>If anything, honestly, things only got worse.

369
00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually surprised that he came back, because I feel

370
00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:47.680
<v Speaker 2>like I'd be like, yeah, i'll see you tomorrow.

371
00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:51.599
<v Speaker 1>And then never heard from again. Just fuck this shit,

372
00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm out sort of situation. Well, I can understand that

373
00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:56.799
<v Speaker 1>I'd probably be in a similar situation. I would have

374
00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.839
<v Speaker 1>left my shoes in place while I'm running down the path. No,

375
00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:03.119
<v Speaker 1>just ran right out of them. But that night, the

376
00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:07.279
<v Speaker 1>banging returned louder and more violent than before. Reports from

377
00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:10.119
<v Speaker 1>the time claimed that the doctor, as he returned to

378
00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:13.200
<v Speaker 1>give esther this medicine, had actually even been standing as

379
00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:15.920
<v Speaker 1>far as two hundred yards away from the house and

380
00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:20.880
<v Speaker 1>could hear pounding echoing from it. It sounded as if

381
00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:24.240
<v Speaker 1>someone was on the roof hammering with a sledgehammer, trying

382
00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:27.559
<v Speaker 1>to break through the shingles. But every time someone checked,

383
00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:30.319
<v Speaker 1>there was no one there. There's no damage, there's no.

384
00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Ex Okay, I was just going to say, like, there's

385
00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:33.440
<v Speaker 2>literally no damage to the house.

386
00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:38.960
<v Speaker 1>No word of all. This quickly spread, and I'm sure

387
00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:42.319
<v Speaker 1>it did as many people would have been hearing these loud,

388
00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:45.240
<v Speaker 1>banging clouds coming from the home as well. Soon all

389
00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:48.920
<v Speaker 1>of Amherst knew that something unexplainable was happening at the

390
00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Teed household. Someone or sorry not someone. People whispered about ghosts.

391
00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:59.480
<v Speaker 1>They whispered about demons and curses. Meanwhile, the phenomena continued

392
00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:03.279
<v Speaker 1>for wee and the doctor returned night after night, desperate

393
00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:06.039
<v Speaker 1>to offer Esther any kind of relief that he could.

394
00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:10.759
<v Speaker 1>The more time passed, the more the family became convinced

395
00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that whatever was tormenting them wasn't random noise or trick

396
00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:18.039
<v Speaker 1>of the mind or anything like that. It was clearly

397
00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:23.039
<v Speaker 1>something conscious. It could hear them and chillingly, it could

398
00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:27.640
<v Speaker 1>respond okay it was. It seemed to be sentient.

399
00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:30.359
<v Speaker 2>So is this where they call the priest?

400
00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, let me continue. One fact became impossible to ignore.

401
00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:40.880
<v Speaker 1>It was all connected to Esther somehow, some way. The

402
00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:43.599
<v Speaker 1>disturbances only happened when she was in the house and

403
00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:47.960
<v Speaker 1>stopped completely whenever she left. Whatever it was it had

404
00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:50.759
<v Speaker 1>latched onto her, And by now she had finally told

405
00:22:50.799 --> 00:22:53.039
<v Speaker 1>her family that yes, you know, this event had happened

406
00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:55.319
<v Speaker 1>with Bob in the woods. And they all agreed that

407
00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:59.680
<v Speaker 1>somehow this horrifying event triggered this nightmare that they were

408
00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:03.440
<v Speaker 1>now living in. But how they had no idea.

409
00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:05.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it doesn't really make sense, you know, that

410
00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:09.039
<v Speaker 2>that would trigger this now as maybe it does, though

411
00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:10.119
<v Speaker 2>we'll keep listening.

412
00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Well maybe now. As the case garnered notoriety, well respected

413
00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:18.519
<v Speaker 1>figures came to investigate. One of them was an individual

414
00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:22.799
<v Speaker 1>by the name of doctor Edwin Clay, a prominent Baptist clergyman.

415
00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Like the medical doctor before him, he witnessed the knockings

416
00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and mysterious wall carving's first hand, and when he left,

417
00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.279
<v Speaker 1>he was fully convinced Esther wasn't faking any of this,

418
00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:36.480
<v Speaker 1>and her family wasn't helping her pull off some elaborate

419
00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:41.160
<v Speaker 1>hoax either. He had his own theory, though, He believed

420
00:23:41.160 --> 00:23:43.559
<v Speaker 1>that the trauma from the carriage ride had turned Esther

421
00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:48.480
<v Speaker 1>into some kind of human battery. Now, remember we are

422
00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:51.279
<v Speaker 1>going back to eighteen hundreds here, so like even knowledge

423
00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:54.559
<v Speaker 1>of electricity at the time was not what we have today.

424
00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:57.680
<v Speaker 1>So his theory of a human battery is quite far

425
00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:00.559
<v Speaker 1>out there from our perspective today, but maybe from his

426
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:01.119
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't.

427
00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:03.079
<v Speaker 2>So let me at the time. Yeah.

428
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let me explain a little bit here. He

429
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:07.680
<v Speaker 1>believed that she turned into some sort of human battery,

430
00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:11.759
<v Speaker 1>storing energy in a way science couldn't yet explain. So,

431
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:15.720
<v Speaker 1>according to him, invisible flashes of lightning were somehow discharging

432
00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.319
<v Speaker 1>from her body, and the loud knocks that they were

433
00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:22.200
<v Speaker 1>hearing in the home were actually miniature collaps of thunder

434
00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:26.960
<v Speaker 1>caused by her strange electrical field surrounding her body.

435
00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, wow, I mean this is so far fetched to

436
00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:32.279
<v Speaker 2>like try to comprehend, right.

437
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.240
<v Speaker 1>It really is. However, I do want to put it

438
00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:36.839
<v Speaker 1>in this perspective. When we look at this and say,

439
00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:38.519
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, that's so far fetched that she's a

440
00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:41.960
<v Speaker 1>human battery and invisible electricity is shooting out from her

441
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:46.279
<v Speaker 1>causing these loud claps of thunder, that is so preposterous

442
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:50.519
<v Speaker 1>to think. However, you have to consider we are going

443
00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:52.480
<v Speaker 1>back to the eighteen hundreds. As I mentioned, people don't

444
00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:55.839
<v Speaker 1>have the knowledge that we do today. But we do

445
00:24:55.920 --> 00:25:01.160
<v Speaker 1>have someone looking at unexplainable events and trying to come

446
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:06.079
<v Speaker 1>up with an explanation they're trying to debunk, so that

447
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:09.119
<v Speaker 1>that is massively important. Yeah, they're not just sitting here

448
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:11.880
<v Speaker 1>pointing fingers, which they're not doing like, oh my god,

449
00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:15.640
<v Speaker 1>it's a ghost. They're saying, hold on, what could be happening?

450
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:17.960
<v Speaker 1>So props to them for doing that.

451
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Totally, Like, yeah, they're really trying to help, which I

452
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:23.240
<v Speaker 2>think is great, But they couldn't. They could be onto

453
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.480
<v Speaker 2>something in the sense of its like energy, right. So yeah,

454
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, it's hard to just put yourself in

455
00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:33.359
<v Speaker 2>these shoes because people don't experience it like this very often.

456
00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:36.920
<v Speaker 1>No, for sure, And honestly, he's not far off from

457
00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:42.119
<v Speaker 1>what many people believe poltergeist are today. Like, is the

458
00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:46.079
<v Speaker 1>traumatic event charging her up with energy and then the

459
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:49.880
<v Speaker 1>energy being released into the home. Yeah, that's what many

460
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:52.240
<v Speaker 1>people believe poltergeist are today, is that you know, a

461
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:55.559
<v Speaker 1>traumatic event and now you are this beacon of energy

462
00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:58.640
<v Speaker 1>and it's like being released somehow from this trauma.

463
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it is like, actually someone had a traumatic event.

464
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:07.079
<v Speaker 1>Generally speaking, yes, not always do don't quote me on.

465
00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:11.039
<v Speaker 2>That, yeah, but wow, okay, so that yeah, okay, Yeah.

466
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Now, his his topics and everything turned into lectures on

467
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:18.240
<v Speaker 1>the subject, and it drew huge crowds. Now, whether or

468
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:21.000
<v Speaker 1>not his theory was correct, he firmly stood by one thing,

469
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:26.279
<v Speaker 1>Esther's suffering was in fact real. Others, however, weren't so convinced.

470
00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Some people in town were certain that she was a fraud,

471
00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:32.400
<v Speaker 1>staging the events for you know, simple attention. Her family,

472
00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:34.400
<v Speaker 1>of course, fiercely denied this.

473
00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, that would not be attention, you would want no.

474
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.759
<v Speaker 1>But no matter what people believed, the Teed household had

475
00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:45.240
<v Speaker 1>become a spectacle. Crowds gathered outside, hoping to witness the

476
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:49.200
<v Speaker 1>phenomenon for themselves. Some you know, whispered that Esther had

477
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>the power to mesmerize people, making them see and hear

478
00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.640
<v Speaker 1>things that weren't actually there. The situation got so out

479
00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:58.279
<v Speaker 1>of control, in fact, that the family had to call

480
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.000
<v Speaker 1>police multiple times just to clear the streets from the

481
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:04.720
<v Speaker 1>crowds in front of their home. Meanwhile, belief in something

482
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:09.559
<v Speaker 1>truly supernatural was only growing. One night, as Esther lay

483
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:12.640
<v Speaker 1>in bed next to Jane, Espra whispered to her that

484
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>she could hear a voice. It wasn't coming from in

485
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:18.319
<v Speaker 1>the room, though, but she told her that the voice

486
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:22.720
<v Speaker 1>was saying that it had once lived on this earth,

487
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.599
<v Speaker 1>and it had been dead for many years. Then it

488
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.359
<v Speaker 1>made a terrifying promise to her. It said that it

489
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>would set the house on fire that very night.

490
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Oo. Okay, Also, can we just talk about the fact

491
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:39.160
<v Speaker 2>that Jane is still sleeping next to her sister, like

492
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:41.839
<v Speaker 2>that's that's impressive.

493
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>It really is.

494
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Now.

495
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Jane immediately called others into the room, including you know,

496
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the doctor.

497
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Right.

498
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:51.200
<v Speaker 1>So, as they debated whether Esther was imagining things, hearing

499
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>these voices that sort of thing, something happened that none

500
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:58.440
<v Speaker 1>of them could have predicted. Now, remember when I say

501
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:01.119
<v Speaker 1>this is a very well documented case. Okay, so this

502
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:06.039
<v Speaker 1>is documented to have occurred. A lit match out of

503
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.759
<v Speaker 1>nowhere fell from the ceiling and landed on the bed,

504
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:11.519
<v Speaker 1>setting the blankets on.

505
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Fire, just from out of nowhere, from.

506
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Out of nowhere. Now, many people can argue, sure, maybe

507
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Esther had some matches, right, and she, when everyone wasn't

508
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.720
<v Speaker 1>paying attention, lit one and dropped it. And everyone believed

509
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:26.759
<v Speaker 1>that a match fell from nowhere. So the flames were

510
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:29.559
<v Speaker 1>put out quickly, but within the next ten minutes, eight

511
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:34.119
<v Speaker 1>more matches fell from the air, landing on the bed

512
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 1>and across the room in various locations. Ooh, you can't

513
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:41.519
<v Speaker 1>tell me that she lit a total of nine.

514
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Matches without anyone noticing exactly when really all the attention

515
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:47.160
<v Speaker 2>is on her exactly.

516
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.279
<v Speaker 1>Each one of these little flames from the matches was

517
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:53.480
<v Speaker 1>extinguished before causing any sort of serious damage, but there

518
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:58.599
<v Speaker 1>was no mistaking the message whatever this entity was meant harm.

519
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:01.559
<v Speaker 1>In a desperate attempt to communicate, Daniel began asking the

520
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.759
<v Speaker 1>spirit some questions and using knocking sounds as a response,

521
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.599
<v Speaker 1>and he asked, this entity or this spirit, this being,

522
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:10.839
<v Speaker 1>or whatever you want to call it, He asked it,

523
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:16.720
<v Speaker 1>will the house be set on fire now? According to reports,

524
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:24.839
<v Speaker 1>three knocks responded, which signaled yes, yes. Five minutes later,

525
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:29.319
<v Speaker 1>a dress belonging to Esther, which had been hanging near

526
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the door on a nail on the wall, suddenly lifted

527
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>itself in the air, rolled up tightly, and flew under

528
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:39.920
<v Speaker 1>the bed, and before anyone could react, the fabric burst

529
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>into flames. The fire was put out before it could spread,

530
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:47.680
<v Speaker 1>but the message was clear. This wasn't just a strange

531
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:51.559
<v Speaker 1>noise floating pillows anymore. This was something far more dangerous

532
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>that had an intent to clearly not only kill Esther,

533
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.920
<v Speaker 1>but burn this house down with whoever else was inside.

534
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:02.519
<v Speaker 2>Almost like there really wasn't much they could.

535
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.720
<v Speaker 1>Do, and according to Olive, nothing but the devil could

536
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>have done something so terrible. It wasn't finished with them yet, though.

537
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Three days later, as Esther and Olive were washing dishes

538
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>in the kitchen, they noticed smoke rising from their cellar.

539
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Olive rushed downstairs, only to find a barrel engulfed in flames,

540
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 1>now licking the floorboard joices above them. Panic, the two

541
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:33.720
<v Speaker 1>women ran out into the streets, calling for help. Neighbors

542
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.319
<v Speaker 1>and people around kind of gathered the home and panicked,

543
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. They see the smoke now billowing out,

544
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:42.720
<v Speaker 1>And just then a stranger appeared, a man no one recognized.

545
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Without hesitation, he threw off his coat, sprinted into the

546
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.759
<v Speaker 1>burning house, and in mere moments he distinguished the fire

547
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:56.359
<v Speaker 1>in the cellar. Before anyone could thank him, he was gone.

548
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.799
<v Speaker 1>He vanished, just as mysteriously as he had arrived. No

549
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.839
<v Speaker 1>one knew his name, no one recognized him, No one

550
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:04.759
<v Speaker 1>knew where he come from or where he had been

551
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 1>there at that exact moment. He was just there, put

552
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.200
<v Speaker 1>out the flames, and was never seen from or heard

553
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:12.920
<v Speaker 1>from again.

554
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:15.839
<v Speaker 2>And this I'm imagining, like it's a small community, they

555
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:20.039
<v Speaker 2>would all know each other exactly. Huh, Okay, so they

556
00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 2>maybe have a good spirit or entity on their side.

557
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Now potentially now By now, the town of Almherst was divided,

558
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:31.519
<v Speaker 1>she believed or sorry. Some believed without a doubt that

559
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>an invisible force was in fact haunting Esther. Others were

560
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.519
<v Speaker 1>convinced still that she was a fraud. The fire marshals

561
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.839
<v Speaker 1>were among the skeptics, insisting that Esther had set both

562
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:46.359
<v Speaker 1>the fires herself. One particularly cruel suggestion floating around town

563
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 1>was that a good raw hide whipping would put an

564
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>end to her supposed tricks. Holy shit, Yeah, so they're proposing,

565
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, whip her into stopping these things.

566
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:01.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, are those people like also per evil?

567
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.519
<v Speaker 1>Probably? Now her family, though never doubted her, they had

568
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:09.039
<v Speaker 1>witnessed too much. Still, the fire had crossed a line.

569
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Esther herself was terrified, claiming that the ghost had shown

570
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:14.880
<v Speaker 1>her a vision of a fire now in the attic,

571
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.400
<v Speaker 1>one that would burn the house down with all of

572
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>them inside. For the safety of their home and their children,

573
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Olive and Daniel made a heartbreaking decision to ask Esther

574
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>to leave. No Daniel's parting words to his sister in

575
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>law were as follows, I don't turn you out. It

576
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:38.279
<v Speaker 1>is the devil of a ghost that drives you from

577
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:38.720
<v Speaker 1>our home.

578
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:40.759
<v Speaker 2>Where is she supposed to go?

579
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, thankfully she wasn't left to fend for herself. A

580
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>kind hearted local restaurant owner named John White took her

581
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>in for three weeks. She stayed in his home, and

582
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 1>at first things seemed normal, But then, as if enraged

583
00:32:56.240 --> 00:33:01.200
<v Speaker 1>by her attempt to escape, the entity struck again. This time,

584
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:06.680
<v Speaker 1>objects didn't just move, they disappeared entirely, only to reappear

585
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:10.839
<v Speaker 1>somewhere else moments later. One night, while scrubbing the floor,

586
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:14.359
<v Speaker 1>a brush vanished from Esther's hands, then suddenly dropped from

587
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:17.440
<v Speaker 1>the ceiling, hitting her in the head. Furniture in John

588
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:21.160
<v Speaker 1>White's dining saloon reportedly flew across the room, doors were

589
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:25.680
<v Speaker 1>torn from their hinges, and heavy objects moved without anything around.

590
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Witnesses claimed a fifty pound wooden box slid fifteen feet

591
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:35.559
<v Speaker 1>across the floor in broad daylight without a single person

592
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:41.039
<v Speaker 1>touching it. And then the attacks on Esther became more physical.

593
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.200
<v Speaker 1>She was slapped, she was scratched, she was hit by

594
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>invisible hands. She was even stabbed. One night, a small

595
00:33:52.000 --> 00:33:56.000
<v Speaker 1>folding knife appeared from nowhere and plunged into her back.

596
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:01.519
<v Speaker 1>John White's son Fred, pulled the knife from her back,

597
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.039
<v Speaker 1>folded it up, and put it in his pocket, only

598
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.440
<v Speaker 1>for the knife to vanish from his pocket and reappear,

599
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:11.880
<v Speaker 1>stabbing Esther in the back once again in the exact

600
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:13.559
<v Speaker 1>same wound.

601
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

602
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>By now, Esther's case had gained so much attention that

603
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:24.440
<v Speaker 1>researchers wanted to study Esther. She agreed without hesitation. She

604
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.559
<v Speaker 1>had nothing as she was trying to hide, she claimed,

605
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:29.639
<v Speaker 1>even going out on tour with a man named Walter Hubble,

606
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:33.400
<v Speaker 1>an actor and writer fascinated in the paranormal. Now, thanks

607
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:36.039
<v Speaker 1>to his meticulous notes, much of what we know about

608
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:40.519
<v Speaker 1>her case today survives. For a time, people paid to

609
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:44.519
<v Speaker 1>see her and hear her story. Scientists, skeptics, and believers

610
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:47.360
<v Speaker 1>from across Canada and United States came to witness the

611
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:52.679
<v Speaker 1>strange happenings for themselves. Many left convinced of what they

612
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:56.760
<v Speaker 1>were being told. But the controversy surrounding Esther never faded.

613
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.519
<v Speaker 1>There were still two sides to this coin one event.

614
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:03.880
<v Speaker 1>In fact, tensions even boiled over to a full scale riot.

615
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Now eventually she returned to Amherst, but whatever wherever she went,

616
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:14.159
<v Speaker 1>fires followed her. The final straw came when a barn

617
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:18.440
<v Speaker 1>belonging to her employer mysteriously burned to the ground. Whether

618
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:21.599
<v Speaker 1>people still believed in ghosts or not, their patients had

619
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>run out. Esther was arrested and charged with arson and

620
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:30.239
<v Speaker 1>sentenced to a month in jail. After that, the strange

621
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:34.679
<v Speaker 1>occurrences gradually faded away. Esther moved on with her life,

622
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.960
<v Speaker 1>married twice, and eventually settled in Brockton, Massachusetts. She died

623
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:43.039
<v Speaker 1>on November eighth, nineteen twelve, at the age of fifty two.

624
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:45.920
<v Speaker 1>To this day, the case of Esther Cox the Great

625
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Amherst mystery remains an unsolved enigma. Was it an elaborate

626
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 1>hoax of psychological phenomena or was she truly tormented by

627
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:03.039
<v Speaker 1>some sort of unseen force like the devil himself. Skeptics

628
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:06.239
<v Speaker 1>dismiss her story, but believers point to the overwhelming number

629
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>of first hand accounts that were very well documented from

630
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the time. Now, whether it is fraud or fact, one

631
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:18.039
<v Speaker 1>thing is undeniable. Esther's story remains one of the most

632
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:23.719
<v Speaker 1>well documented and chilling cases of an alleged paranormal activity

633
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:29.880
<v Speaker 1>in history. So here we are nearly a century later,

634
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:31.760
<v Speaker 1>or more than a century later, I should say, actually,

635
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:36.199
<v Speaker 1>and people are still asking the question what really happened

636
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>to Esther? And that's the story of the Great Amherst

637
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:43.760
<v Speaker 1>Heist and Esther Cox.

638
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Huh Okay, Well, I did think it was going to

639
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:50.760
<v Speaker 2>end differently. I thought that this demon or whatever you

640
00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:53.480
<v Speaker 2>want to call it, was gonna take her life.

641
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>For sure. There were no casualties in that manner. I mean,

642
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.639
<v Speaker 1>there were injuries, there were casualties in that manner, but

643
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.320
<v Speaker 1>there were no deaths.

644
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that is wild, isn't it to just think that

645
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:11.840
<v Speaker 2>this happened to somebody? Yeah, because I don't know that.

646
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:15.360
<v Speaker 2>It's so far fetched to me to think like it.

647
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:18.320
<v Speaker 2>It's believable to me, because why on earth would someone

648
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:20.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, ever do that to themselves or how could

649
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:23.079
<v Speaker 2>they even do that to themselves to that extent.

650
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.199
<v Speaker 1>And how could they trick that many people around them?

651
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:30.440
<v Speaker 1>You have people not only in one household, in multiple households,

652
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.360
<v Speaker 1>because she moved in with this guy who this other guy, right, Yep,

653
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:36.360
<v Speaker 1>things were happening there. You also have like when she

654
00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:40.119
<v Speaker 1>was with employers, things happening there. You have reports of

655
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:43.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, people being around her and seeing shit from

656
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:49.440
<v Speaker 1>doctors to clergymen, like they're witnessing these things. Yeah, and

657
00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.760
<v Speaker 1>you're telling me she fooled every single one of them

658
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:56.159
<v Speaker 1>with these very elaborate things that like, how would she

659
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:59.119
<v Speaker 1>have made this box move fifteen feet across the room

660
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>with people witnessing it? Is she sitting there with fishing line,

661
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:04.800
<v Speaker 1>really strong fishing line? I don't think so.

662
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Well. Yeah, the people that aren't believing her, I think

663
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:11.599
<v Speaker 2>are the people that haven't, like experienced it first had.

664
00:38:11.800 --> 00:38:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Exactly so, And we have many people claiming these sort

665
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:18.719
<v Speaker 1>of things are still happening to this date, not to

666
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:21.960
<v Speaker 1>esther in her story, but like their own stories, their

667
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:25.920
<v Speaker 1>own hauntings, their own poltergeist, their own events, right. Yeah.

668
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:27.920
<v Speaker 1>In fact, one of the ones I can think of

669
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.159
<v Speaker 1>immediately off the top of my head is Robert the

670
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:33.599
<v Speaker 1>doll over in Florida, right right, So he is the

671
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:37.119
<v Speaker 1>world's most haunted doll. Allegedly, he's in a museum. You

672
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:40.039
<v Speaker 1>have to ask to take a picture of him.

673
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 2>And if you don't, bad shit happens.

674
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:45.760
<v Speaker 1>And they have an entire wall dedicated to people writing

675
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:50.840
<v Speaker 1>letters to Robert, begging and pleading for forgiveness because shit

676
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:56.920
<v Speaker 1>is happening to them because they didn't ask permission. That

677
00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.239
<v Speaker 1>just gives you chills right now, I do I want

678
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.159
<v Speaker 1>to say one thing. I am a skeptic person. I

679
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.519
<v Speaker 1>like to play Devil's advocate. I mean, that's something that

680
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:09.039
<v Speaker 1>I would tray often on this podcast is playing that

681
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Devil's advocate. So to put my devil's advocacy hat on

682
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.039
<v Speaker 1>for a moment. We are talking about the time of

683
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the eighteen hundreds here, Okay, so documentation claim from this

684
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>individual right that I said, you know, he came in

685
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.599
<v Speaker 1>and went on tour with Esther and that's where most

686
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:33.760
<v Speaker 1>of the documentation comes from. So he's doing a lot

687
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 1>of post investigation after the fact. So people may have

688
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>experienced these things let's say weeks ago, maybe even a

689
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:43.440
<v Speaker 1>month ago, maybe even two months ago. I don't know,

690
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:47.320
<v Speaker 1>but there there's these events that he's talking to people

691
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:51.320
<v Speaker 1>after the fact. We all know that after the fact.

692
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:53.800
<v Speaker 1>We've heard people blow things out of proportion many a time.

693
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:55.280
<v Speaker 2>It kind of escalates in your head.

694
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:58.719
<v Speaker 1>So how much of these things this fifty pound box

695
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:02.199
<v Speaker 1>flew fifty feet across through or fifteen feet.

696
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I was like, oh, now it's blown fifty feet Well,

697
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.000
<v Speaker 2>exactly you know, right there.

698
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a way it can blow out a proportion

699
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:12.519
<v Speaker 1>even accidentally. Oh yeah, so was it really a fifty

700
00:40:12.559 --> 00:40:14.800
<v Speaker 1>pound box? Maybe it was a box that was empty

701
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.760
<v Speaker 1>that said fifty pounds on it. Maybe it wasn't fifteen feet,

702
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.760
<v Speaker 1>maybe it was well, maybe it was only five you know.

703
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Maybe someone opened a door and then it hit the

704
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.440
<v Speaker 1>box and then a loud bang. Everyone remembers this loud

705
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.159
<v Speaker 1>bang from Esther reporting these and they turn around they

706
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:32.239
<v Speaker 1>see the box sliding.

707
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I think there's too much though. I agree too much.

708
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.320
<v Speaker 1>I agree, but I am just wanting to say, you

709
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:44.400
<v Speaker 1>can't tell me that post investigation, like after the fact,

710
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 1>and all these things are exactly right.

711
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:49.599
<v Speaker 2>No, oh yeah, I'm sure things have been.

712
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Even if you if you want to put it on

713
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.760
<v Speaker 1>the strong end and you say fifty percent of them

714
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:57.760
<v Speaker 1>are over overblown and put out a proportion, that's still

715
00:40:57.800 --> 00:41:02.280
<v Speaker 1>fifty percent of that information. That is I fucking wi I.

716
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.679
<v Speaker 2>One thing I kind of have trouble is like how

717
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:08.159
<v Speaker 2>it just stopped. You know, is it something that she

718
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:11.039
<v Speaker 2>still kind of had to deal with all throughout her

719
00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:13.639
<v Speaker 2>life but it maybe wasn't as drastic or she just

720
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of like kept it to herself for or what.

721
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because.

722
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just I mean, what made it stop? You know?

723
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:25.119
<v Speaker 2>That's that's where my head kind of goes, Like being

724
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:26.800
<v Speaker 2>in jail for a month gets stopped.

725
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, if it is this traumatic event causing some sort

726
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.079
<v Speaker 1>of energy, you know, release in someone's life, let's put

727
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 1>it that way. You know, it's like it's a built

728
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:38.880
<v Speaker 1>up some form of energy, whether you're drawing the energy

729
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:40.719
<v Speaker 1>to you or whether you are the source of the

730
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:46.679
<v Speaker 1>energy or not. Eventually, Hey, trauma fades. It never leaves entirely,

731
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.679
<v Speaker 1>but it does fade, you know what I mean with time. Yeah,

732
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:53.079
<v Speaker 1>so maybe that's the case. You know, it's like a

733
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:56.400
<v Speaker 1>battery over time, it does lose its power and it

734
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:58.199
<v Speaker 1>slowly fades off.

735
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Or she had new trauma now that was overshadowing that

736
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.280
<v Speaker 2>other one that started this. I don't know.

737
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Maybe, I mean, she did get arrested for these events

738
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.119
<v Speaker 1>that maybe weren't her fault, and she went to jail

739
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:10.400
<v Speaker 1>for it.

740
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>M hm.

741
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 1>So maybe that was like something that she psychologically was

742
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:19.079
<v Speaker 1>able to shut it down. Who knows. Wow, Okay, people

743
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:23.519
<v Speaker 1>still don't know and understand what poltergeist truly are and

744
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.800
<v Speaker 1>what truly causes them. However, there is a lot of

745
00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:30.239
<v Speaker 1>real documentation out there, including this case and many more,

746
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:33.920
<v Speaker 1>that suggests they are very real phenomena.

747
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.840
<v Speaker 2>And it's still even happening to this date, right, Like, yes,

748
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:38.599
<v Speaker 2>not just all from back then.

749
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Okay, you have people today, Like I guarantee you

750
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:48.760
<v Speaker 1>there are houses on the market right fucking now because

751
00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:49.679
<v Speaker 1>people want out.

752
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's just terrifying. Hey to think, I know, but

753
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:57.360
<v Speaker 2>I guess we can't live our life being scared of

754
00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:58.320
<v Speaker 2>the unknown like that.

755
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:00.840
<v Speaker 1>No, you always got to take the leap, right, don't

756
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:03.320
<v Speaker 1>be scared of the unknown. Anyways, this was a bit

757
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:04.719
<v Speaker 1>of a different story. I thought it'd be fun to

758
00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:06.960
<v Speaker 1>do something a little bit different. We've once in a

759
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>while had been doing a little more paranormal here and there,

760
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:11.159
<v Speaker 1>just for fun seats, and I thought, you know what,

761
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 1>now's a good time throwing in there.

762
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was super interesting. I just had the thought,

763
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:18.519
<v Speaker 2>like we almost thought about buying a house that was

764
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:19.960
<v Speaker 2>probably definitely.

765
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Haunted, probably definitely. Yeah, it would have been a lot

766
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.519
<v Speaker 1>of work, was the problem. It was a like what

767
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:27.440
<v Speaker 1>was it nineteen twenty I think or something like.

768
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:29.960
<v Speaker 2>That, something like that. It was stunning and it needed

769
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:30.639
<v Speaker 2>so much work.

770
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:34.599
<v Speaker 1>It was like an abandoned house, good bones, but like

771
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.840
<v Speaker 1>everything about it needed work. And it would have been

772
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:39.920
<v Speaker 1>several hundred thousand dollars to get this thing back up

773
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:42.760
<v Speaker 1>to par and yeah, it was just a little too

774
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:43.599
<v Speaker 1>much of a project.

775
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Well and then imagine putting all that money in there

776
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:48.719
<v Speaker 2>and then you do find out it's haunted.

777
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, yeah, but like this house, like it even

778
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.679
<v Speaker 1>had a carriage house out back. And when we think

779
00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:57.000
<v Speaker 1>of carriage house, we think of like, oh, like a

780
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:59.920
<v Speaker 1>little like house for you know, like like an airbean

781
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.320
<v Speaker 1>be or something. Yeah, or yeah, you know, like for

782
00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:05.320
<v Speaker 1>guests and stuff. Now this was literally a house to

783
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:10.360
<v Speaker 1>park your horse and carriage in. It was a carriage house.

784
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:11.960
<v Speaker 1>It was where you housed your carriage.

785
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

786
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was wild, but it was really cool though. Yeah,

787
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:18.800
<v Speaker 1>So thank you for being here. Hopefully enjoyed that. And

788
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:21.360
<v Speaker 1>let us know what you think about the paranormal and

789
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe you think this was a little bit of a

790
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:26.639
<v Speaker 1>little bullshit and maybe you think it was totally real.

791
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:29.199
<v Speaker 1>Just a message. We'd love to hear your opinion. All

792
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:30.960
<v Speaker 1>our links are in the description of the podcast, and

793
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.559
<v Speaker 1>we appreciate you being here. Because of you, we get

794
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:36.119
<v Speaker 1>to do what we want for a living on this podcast.

795
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:38.719
<v Speaker 1>We're completely independent. We research, we write, we do it

796
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:41.719
<v Speaker 1>all on our own, and because you're here, we get

797
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.079
<v Speaker 1>to do that. So thank you so much.

798
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:45.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we really can't thank you enough.

799
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>We really can't.

800
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:46.519
<v Speaker 2>We can't.

801
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:49.679
<v Speaker 1>We can't, can we we.

802
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Can't, No, we can't.

803
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:53.920
<v Speaker 1>All right, thanks for being here, and until next time,

804
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:56.119
<v Speaker 1>stay wicked.
