WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:04.080 All right, let's get it drives on Monday afternoon, about 2 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:07.120 fourteen minutes past the hour, two o'clock, another cloudy and 3 00:00:07.240 --> 00:00:12.240 chili may day outside, but temperatures improving throughout the week. 4 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:15.400 We're gonna have a really nice weekend. Memorial Did weekend 5 00:00:15.439 --> 00:00:17.760 coming up. But as it is every single day, it's 6 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:20.079 going to have you along for the ride. Spence check, 7 00:00:20.120 --> 00:00:22.960 it's Beyond the Mike, Porter Larsen, Beyond the Glass today, 8 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:25.039 producing the show, booking the show. We got a lot 9 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:27.760 of really good guests on the program to get that 10 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:30.960 weekend started out the right way. The week started out 11 00:00:31.000 --> 00:00:32.840 the right way. Hope you had a great weekend. Happy 12 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:35.399 Monday to you, and it's good to have you with 13 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:38.399 us on a jam packed edition of the radio show. 14 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:43.079 We have conference final set in Pro basketball and Pro hockey. 15 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:46.479 The Timberwolves and the Thunder will tip off tomorrow. After 16 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:49.719 OKC was able to dispatch of the Denver Nuggets with 17 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:53.799 relative relative ease in Game seven, we'll get to some 18 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:57.759 Game seven takeaways. We'll talk about the future of Nicola 19 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:00.159 Jokicic and the Denver Nuggets. Michael Malone is gonna be 20 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:02.679 on the coverage for ESPN on the Western Conference Finals 21 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:06.040 side of things. The coach that was jettisoned, doubt and 22 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:11.079 sent packing. The New York Knicks actually did it. Yeah, 23 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:13.719 that's right, the New York Knicks actually did it. And 24 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:15.719 it was a lot easier than I thought it was 25 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:18.840 going to be since we last spoke on Friday night, 26 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:22.400 it was a massacre in midtown Manhattan, New York one 27 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:26.519 nineteen Boston eighty one. And the Knicks advance onto the 28 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:29.480 Conference finals for the first time in twenty five years. 29 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:33.079 And when last they were there, they faced Reggie Miller 30 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:37.640 and the Indiana Pacers, and coincidentally enough, this time around 31 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:39.879 they will face the Indiana Pacers once again, this time 32 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:43.599 led by a really good, really good league guard and 33 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:47.519 Tyree Saliburton a bunch of perimeter players that want to 34 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:52.000 fight everybody. So we'll preview the Conference finals and then 35 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:54.159 we'll look back on the actual that took place over 36 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.519 the weekend in the world of pro basketball. We'll also 37 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:01.439 talk a little NBA draft a little combine. The Utah 38 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:05.319 Jazz sit at number five, as we of course talked 39 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:09.120 about at nauseum last week. Reports are that Philadelphia is 40 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:12.840 interested in moving on from number three. According to Jeremy 41 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:16.240 Wu from ESPN. The names that are out there attached 42 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:19.800 to this rumor, that's all it is, Kevin Durant and 43 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.520 one Lowry marketed. What would you do if you were 44 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:25.520 the Utah Jazz. So we'll talk about some of the 45 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:28.400 potential that the Jazz have to add talent to this roster. 46 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:33.680 We have entered an era of intense parody in the 47 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:36.719 world of pro basketball, which should be good news for 48 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.039 a team that plays it's basketball in Salt Lake City, 49 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:41.719 But the Jazz are unprepared to capitalize on it, at 50 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:44.759 least as of now. How can they change that? We'll 51 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.039 get into it on the show today the latest mock 52 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:49.520 draft from Jonathan Gavoni. We'll tell you who he has 53 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:53.400 the Jazz draft in at five and go over some rumors, 54 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:57.479 some offseason rumors. As we talked about with with Shawn 55 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.319 with Oseda and Crosstalk. Brock Perty got paid. He didn't 56 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:03.479 have chance to really react to that. He is going 57 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:06.199 to make about fifty three mil annually. That I pays 58 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:10.599 him more than Jared Goff, Matthew Stafford, Justin Herbert, names 59 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.560 like that, even Lamar. So we'll get to the latest 60 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:15.639 in the world of the NFL offseason. Of course, the 61 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:19.360 conversation about the Tush push continues to make its way 62 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:22.639 throughout the course of NFL rule makers. Nick Siriati gets 63 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:27.159 a multi year contract extension and rookie mini camps going 64 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.439 on around the world of the NFL, so we'll get 65 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:32.199 to some of that on the show. RSL has gone 66 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:34.879 with a sneaky strategy of building a soccer team that 67 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:39.039 does not try to score goals. Pretty risky. See if 68 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:42.599 it works out, Cotton, It's not working out. In the meantime, 69 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:45.039 RSL has gone almost two hundred and fifty minutes without 70 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:48.159 a goal. They are winless in their last four. They 71 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:51.400 welcome in the best team in MLS Vancouver will be 72 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:54.960 in town coming up on Saturday. So not Great Bob, 73 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:57.360 Not Great Bob. In the world of Real Salt Lake. 74 00:03:57.400 --> 00:03:58.919 We'll get some of that on the show today. Scotti 75 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.000 Scheffler wins his third major championship over the weekend at 76 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:04.800 Quail Hollow. The want to Make Your Trophy is his. 77 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.719 He did try to break it in half during his celebration. 78 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:12.520 But Tony Fenow finishes tied for nineteenth after the Green 79 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:14.520 Mile got to Tony, but he ends up walking away 80 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:17.439 with a cool two hundred k at a top twenty 81 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:19.800 finish in majors. Do a little golf on the show 82 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:22.279 today as well, So a lot to do on a 83 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:24.800 Monday edition of the program. Happy Monday to you. Our 84 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:27.120 first guest will be Bobby Marks. Bobby's going to be 85 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:29.839 good today to go to walk us through where we're 86 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:32.199 at right now in the world of pro basketball, the 87 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.000 parody that has presented itself, and whether or not the 88 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:38.439 Jazz can get involved with other small market teams like 89 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:42.600 Oklahoma City and Minnesota and Indiana and Milwaukee and Denver, etc. 90 00:04:43.040 --> 00:04:45.600 And the like. So good day to have Bobby on 91 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:48.879 the show. More Basketball, Tom Haberstrow, our friend Tony Parks 92 00:04:48.920 --> 00:04:50.480 will be live in studio. We'll do a bunch of 93 00:04:50.519 --> 00:04:53.720 local stuff with Tony, and then Easton Folster, who's the 94 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:57.399 executive director of the UGA. Easton only wants to talk 95 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:59.120 nixt today, but we are going to talk a little 96 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:02.240 PGA champion ship and OLDPGA golf. But our guy, Easton, 97 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:07.519 Utah Local, is a Nick fan, so of course we're 98 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:09.120 gonna do a little of that with our guy today 99 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.639 on the program. So Bobby Marks, Tom Haberstrow, Tony Parks, 100 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:14.759 Easton Fallster and me Spence check its all of you, 101 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:17.879 the great listeners and that guy Porter Larson. We were 102 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:19.920 texting during the game on Friday. No part of me 103 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:22.360 thought we were going to see what we actually saw 104 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:26.839 that game was over, I was skeptical. I would say 105 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:29.079 and tell about four minutes left, and then I just 106 00:05:29.120 --> 00:05:33.639 started screaming to the TV take the starters out, Tom, please, 107 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:35.920 how'd you digest Friday night? 108 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:39.959 Much like that? I mean, I thought the Knicks played 109 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.879 really well. I was really confident going into halftime, and 110 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.759 I thought that they had the series in hand. But 111 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:50.399 like you, the last ten minutes of the game, I 112 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:53.879 was just like, dude, what we're up by? Like forty points? 113 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:57.079 What are we doing here? And listen. Tom Thibodeau is 114 00:05:57.120 --> 00:05:59.240 the coach that has them in the Eastern Conference finals. 115 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:02.920 So the credit is given where it is due. But 116 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:06.079 if you are a Knicks fan, you've also seen teams 117 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:09.319 that have had the wheels fall off because you run 118 00:06:09.399 --> 00:06:11.160 the wheels off of them, right, because you don't have 119 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:15.120 the depth. And with Tom Thibodau specifically, that's always kind 120 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:17.600 of been a narrative. So I think people are a 121 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:20.759 little up in arms about it. I'm cognizant of it 122 00:06:20.800 --> 00:06:24.399 as well and kind of reacted the same way. But 123 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:30.879 results a result, We've got the Final four NBA edition 124 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:33.000 and I think it should be a lot of fun. 125 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:36.040 It should be a lot of fun. So Conference Finals 126 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:38.160 time in the world of pro basketball. 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So ESPN has you covered with the West, 164 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.839 TNT as you covered with the East. And now we're 165 00:08:26.879 --> 00:08:30.240 in a scenario where for the seventh straight year we 166 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:34.799 will have the seventh different NBA champ so where we 167 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:38.320 moved into and I think coming up this offseason will 168 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:41.960 be another example of exactly what pro basketball has done 169 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:45.360 with the new collective bargaining agreement that went into effect 170 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:48.080 a few years ago and will be the reality for 171 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.759 another three, four five years, depending on how they decide 172 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:55.559 to traverse the space of intense, extreme parody in the 173 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:59.159 world of basketball in the NBA. Okay, and that was 174 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:02.759 intentional from Adam Silver, who got sick of hearing from 175 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:06.639 owners like if Miami can just add Lebron and Bosh 176 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:09.360 and Golden State can just add Durant to Steph and 177 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:12.799 Clay and Dreymond, we have no prayer, We have no chance. 178 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:16.120 If that's the deal. Okay, there will always be space 179 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:19.960 for the bigger markets and the destination cities to attract 180 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:22.519 players that simply want to live in LA or they 181 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:24.720 want to live in Miami, or they want to live 182 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:27.519 in I'll say New York, although the Knicks and the 183 00:09:27.559 --> 00:09:30.159 Nets have been unable to capitalize on really any of that. 184 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:33.720 It's mostly the warm weather, you know, climate friendly cities, 185 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.080 namely Los Angeles and Miami's been a benefactor as well. 186 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:40.200 Of course, Phoenix built up a team that was supposed 187 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:42.480 to be good on paper but hasn't been, so that 188 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:45.120 will never change. The Lakers snapped their fingers this year 189 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:47.519 and turned a thirty two year old injury pron Anthony 190 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:50.559 Davis into a twenty five year old Luka Doncic, and 191 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:52.639 stuff like that will never go away. You know, the 192 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:55.200 Lakers are the biggest example of the Celtics two, because 193 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:59.519 the Celtics are the most successful pro basketball team in 194 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:02.799 the history the NBA followed closely behind by the LA Lakers, 195 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:05.600 and there's certainly a debate between those two. You know, 196 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:08.960 you'll always be able to figure it out. The Lakers 197 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:15.679 bridged even George Miken into Kareem into even Wilt, then Kareem, 198 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.960 and then of course you go from Kareem then later 199 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:21.840 on to Magic Magic bridges it, you know, later on 200 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:25.159 at Chak and Kobe, and then of course Lebron decides 201 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:27.120 he wants to spend the final few years of his 202 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.799 NBA career in Los Angeles and then boom, They've got Luca. 203 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:32.960 So Luca makes them relevant again for another decade, depending 204 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:35.120 on how long he wants to play. So that will 205 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:37.600 never change. But what has changed is the Second Apron 206 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:42.159 has actually legitimately scared billionaires. If you ever wanted to 207 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.000 know the answer to the trivia question what scares billionaires 208 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:48.960 that own NBA teams, we have it. It's the Second Apron. Okay, 209 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:51.879 We've already seen the Clippers make a tough decision, Paul 210 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:55.480 George Walks. We've seen the Denver Nuggets allow a lot 211 00:10:55.480 --> 00:10:59.200 of the rotational pieces around to Kola Jokicic leave after 212 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.639 very successful seasons and try to plug them with that 213 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:06.039 minimum contract. Guys like Russell Westbrook, who looked like he 214 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:08.519 was point shaving during the playoffs this year. It was 215 00:11:08.559 --> 00:11:12.159 a atrocious idea the start, as I always say about him, 216 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:15.480 you can have him for free or you know, young 217 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:18.960 players like Julian Strather or Zeke Nasey and trying to 218 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:21.840 surround Jokic with good players to take advantage of his prime. 219 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:26.600 We've already seen teams forced to make very difficult decisions 220 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:30.559 due to financial and economic restraints, and coming up this offseason, 221 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:31.919 we're going to see it again. We're going to see 222 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:34.480 it from the Phoenix Suns, who probably will move on 223 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:37.200 from Kevin Durant. We're probably going to see it from 224 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:40.639 the Boston Celtics. Even if Jason Tatum did not get hurt, 225 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:42.720 we probably would have seen it anyway because a new 226 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:46.600 ownership group, after signing the documents, got an email that said, oh, 227 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.879 by the way, if you keep the team next year, 228 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:53.039 the luxury tax bill is half a billion dollars just 229 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:55.679 for the right to have this team who out in 230 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:58.080 the second round. So no ownership is going to agree 231 00:11:58.120 --> 00:11:59.639 to that. I wouldn't be stunned if they move on 232 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:02.159 from Balen Brown, because I think they have to. I 233 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:05.279 don't think you have any other chance. Point of me 234 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:08.120 bringing it up is we have entered and have been 235 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:11.639 in now for about three or four years, this new 236 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:15.200 era of NBA basketball. That will continue for another four 237 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:18.519 years or so, and it might not continue after that 238 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:21.480 because there are enough people that don't really love and look, 239 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:23.080 let's call it what it is. It's a hard cap. 240 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:26.279 And I can remember when the new CBA became a reality. 241 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:28.000 I was kind of reviewing some of the numbers and 242 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:30.200 some of the information. I thought to myself, this is 243 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:32.399 a hard cap. They're just not saying it out loud. 244 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:35.840 And ultimately, if you talk to guys around the league, yes, 245 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:38.320 that's what it is. It is a hard cap. At 246 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:40.559 a certain number, you are hard capped, period and then 247 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:43.600 you have to make tough decisions. So we've been in 248 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:47.000 this reality for a while and teams like the Denver 249 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:50.960 Nuggets and the Milwaukee Bucks, and what we have now 250 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:54.559 is the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Indiana Pacers, and Oklahoma City, 251 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:57.159 who has positioned it not just now but for the future, 252 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:00.519 will throw San Antonio in there as a as a 253 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:02.840 result of their lottery luck. Let's call it what it is. 254 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:08.159 There will be a bunch of teams in markets even 255 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:13.240 smaller than ours, not necessarily analogous stars, but smaller than ours, 256 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.120 that our position to have a chance to win the 257 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:18.720 thing every year for the next four or five years. 258 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:21.679 Here's the bad news. The Jazz are simply not prepared 259 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:24.399 to take advantage of what the league has created for 260 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:27.200 teams that play in cities like Salt Lake. They have 261 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:30.559 failed to put themselves in a situation where they can 262 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:34.080 capitalize on the new reality of NBA basketball. Does it 263 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:36.919 mean that they'll fail forever? No, it doesn't. Does it 264 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:38.799 mean that they have a ton of work to do 265 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:42.159 to even be relevant? Yeah, it does. And that starts 266 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:45.200 with a draft, which leads me to this. The reports 267 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:48.039 over the weekend or that San Antonio and look, these 268 00:13:48.039 --> 00:13:50.519 are only reports. Okay, we're just talking about rumors. It's 269 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:52.559 a great thing about sports soccer radio. You can just 270 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:55.559 kind of dig into some of this stuff. No idea 271 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:57.559 if any of this will come to fruition. But the 272 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:59.519 reports over the weekend out of San Antonio is that 273 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:03.279 they are to take Dylan Harper. They're prepared to take Dylan, 274 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.440 let him grow next to Sefan Castle, learn from Daron Fox. 275 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:10.679 Kind of like a backup quarterback situation, you know, kind 276 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:13.960 of like Jackson Dark in New York sitting behind Russell Wilson, 277 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:17.559 mister unlimited, our guy before he is given the starting job, 278 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.320 maybe in a couple of years. So if san Antonio 279 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:24.120 is no longer entertaining, Moving off of two, what happens 280 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:27.240 with Philliot three and Jeremy Wu from ESPN Reporter this 281 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:29.600 morning and I retweeted it if they still call it 282 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:32.879 that the Philadelphia seventy six ers are willing to move 283 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:35.799 on from three And the names that he threw out 284 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.639 there were Kevin Durant and Lowry Markenden. Now, when you 285 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:42.879 look at the books of the Philadelphia seventy six Ers, 286 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:47.759 there isn't anything that makes this trade possible outside of 287 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:51.759 a Tyrese Maxi Paul George throw in. I don't think 288 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:53.799 they're gonna trade him beat. I think they've done the 289 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.720 calculation that when he's healthy, he's still very special. But 290 00:14:56.960 --> 00:14:59.759 just hypothetically speaking, if you're the Jazz, do you entertain 291 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:04.080 that to even entertain trading Lowry for three straight up? 292 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:07.120 Which is a really tough thing to do. Larry's about 293 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.120 to turn twenty eight. I think he actually has a 294 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:11.919 birthday coming up or close to this day. He'll be 295 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:14.840 twenty eight throughout the course of this year, and that 296 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:16.879 is kind of smack dab in the middle of your prime, 297 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:19.120 with maybe a couple of years left of your prime. 298 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.279 And if for honest, he doesn't fit the timeline as 299 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:24.399 far as when this team could even be relevant again 300 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:27.600 because they're not close. So do you pull the ripcord 301 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:30.639 with clearly your best player to grab another high pick 302 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:33.240 and then send the message to the fan base like, yes, 303 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:34.559 it's going to be rough for a while, but at 304 00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:36.440 least we have a couple of building blocks we feel 305 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:39.360 good about. Because I don't see a pathway forward. Not 306 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:41.480 to quote Quinn Sider when he decided he didn't want 307 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:43.360 to work for this new ownership group, I just don't 308 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:47.720 see another pathway forward for the Utah Jazz based off 309 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.440 the roster they have right now. And there is urgency 310 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:53.600 because there are enough people that don't love this CBA 311 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:56.240 and what it's done to balance out the parody and 312 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:59.200 pro basketball that it might change in four years. I 313 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:00.879 don't know that that's another time for the Jazz to 314 00:16:00.919 --> 00:16:04.159 put something together to capitalize on the ability to roster 315 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:08.080 construct in a smaller market that's not a destination. Conference 316 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:12.159 finals are sets in both the NBA and the NHL. 317 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:14.200 We'll do some hockey a little bit later. The Utah 318 00:16:14.360 --> 00:16:18.679 Mammoth set to draft fourth overall is the NHL draft 319 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:21.639 will take place after the NBA draft. The Jazz did 320 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:23.440 not get the same luck as the hockey club, and 321 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:27.000 our next guest will walk us through the potential offseason 322 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:29.159 for the Jazz. As we talked some basketball with one 323 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.840 of our favorites on a Monday afternoon, Bobby Mark's Happy Monday, sir, 324 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:33.279 How are you? 325 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:34.879 I'm good? How are you? 326 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:37.440 We're all right? I mean, let's just start here. The 327 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.039 lottery's rigged and everybody hates the Jazz and we can't 328 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:42.480 catch a break, so let's just start with the scripted 329 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:45.600 world of the NBA. Bobby, Well, you. 330 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:49.559 Can probably add Washington and Detroit last year and the 331 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:52.240 list of teams. Listen, you have a better chance. How 332 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:55.799 the the reformed lottery odds are you have a better 333 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:58.639 chance of not picking in the top three than picking 334 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:00.799 in the top three. I think they had like a 335 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:06.400 fifty chance of picking at five. So yeah, it is, 336 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:09.119 it is. I would say it's probably not designed to 337 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:12.440 reward some of the top teams. And just like the 338 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:14.680 lead in general right now, there is a lot of 339 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:19.240 parody when it comes to the process of the. 340 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.200 Lottery for sure. And Xenik was great with the media 341 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:24.960 afterwards because everybody keeps saying they fell to five, and 342 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:27.279 Justin's like, well, we actually had a better chance of 343 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:30.359 drafting five than we had. It won, right, but you 344 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.039 know the deal out here, when you're asked as a 345 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:36.119 fan base to suffer through literally the worst season the 346 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:38.759 Jazz have ever had, you're just kind of hoping for 347 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:41.599 more of a reward. So kind of your thoughts on 348 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:43.680 where we find ourselves with the Jazz as they enter 349 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:46.319 the off season with two first round picks and a 350 00:17:46.400 --> 00:17:48.279 number of decisions Bobby the need to be made. 351 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:53.200 Yeah, No, you're right, I mean I do think Listen, 352 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:57.440 I think there's a ton of options, certainly with with 353 00:17:57.440 --> 00:17:59.640 with the draft as far as the picks that you 354 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.160 have have, not just in June, but certainly all the 355 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:05.559 you know, the draft assets that you have in the future, 356 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:08.680 and you have a little bit of everything, as far 357 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:12.440 as you know some expiring contracts, uh, you know your 358 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:15.799 younger players that you're still trying to trying to figure out. 359 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:19.000 As far as you know who are your foundational players. 360 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:23.799 You've got the Kessler extension to figure out. We'll see 361 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:26.960 who becomes available this offseason. As far as what big 362 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:30.400 named player or players, and I think there'll probably be 363 00:18:30.440 --> 00:18:33.519 a few. Doesn't make sense kind of dipping your toe 364 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:36.839 in that water or that deep end there as far 365 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:40.119 as for that, because you do have you do have 366 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:43.359 the assets here? You know, it's I think the biggest 367 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:46.839 thing I think is I said this to Joe Cronin, 368 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:49.759 who's there a Trailblazer's jam. I saw them in the 369 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:53.359 uh the elevator in Chicago for the Combine and they 370 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:55.599 had a nice season, you know, they they won thirty 371 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:58.000 six games, And I said, the biggest thing that you 372 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:00.799 can give to a fan base is hope. I think 373 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:03.200 if that's the biggest thing as far as hope and 374 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.160 a clear direction as far as where the roster is going. 375 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:09.359 And I think I think and you're if you're in Utah, 376 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:12.039 that's that, you know, that's the sense of direction here 377 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:16.799 because as you know, going in the you know, you know, 378 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:21.519 lottery or you know, bottoming out and trying to get 379 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:24.240 a top three picks. Certainly, if that's the goal for 380 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:27.039 next year, we already went through it. It's you know, 381 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:29.720 it's it's trying to put a needle in a haystack 382 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:31.920 as far as you know, as far as getting one 383 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:37.880 of those A level players that will be available again 384 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:39.440 next year, right, I mean, they're going to get a 385 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:42.599 good player at where they are is a keeper flag 386 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:45.640 Probably not, but they're They're still going to be in 387 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:47.440 a there's still going to be in a position to 388 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:50.039 get a good player with their lottery pick. And they're 389 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:52.799 and a good player where they are in the in 390 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:54.240 the early twenties. 391 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:56.519 I can tell you. And look, I don't pretend to 392 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:59.400 speak for every jazz fan, but I don't feel like 393 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:02.200 there is a lot to hope, Bobby right now for 394 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:05.240 the organization, at least on the outside looking in. And 395 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:07.480 I still have friends over there, and I know how 396 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:11.440 disappointed they were that they didn't get better luck. And and 397 00:20:10.839 --> 00:20:14.079 ultimately I wonder what you make of the possibility of 398 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:17.559 them being a little bit bold this offseason and utilizing 399 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:20.039 the bevy of assets and clean books to maybe add 400 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:23.480 a couple veterans tex But either growth of the young players, 401 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:25.480 or do you think this is going to be an arduous, 402 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:29.000 painful process that will last for another three four years. 403 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:34.319 Listen, if if you honest became available, just hypothetically talking 404 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:37.359 it would it would be negligant, negligent not to put 405 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:39.279 a phone call in to see what the price would be, 406 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:42.920 not just with Utah but the other the other twenty 407 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:44.319 nine players. 408 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:48.160 If Trey Young became available, or you know, you know, 409 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:50.680 there's I think I think it has a lot of 410 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:54.079 it has to do with what's left of the roster. 411 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:58.400 Do we still have options to add or whatever. If 412 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:02.799 we go out and get two players, we basically we 413 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:05.680 wiped cleaned as far as what we have left and 414 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:08.160 what happens if one of those players leaves when they 415 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:10.759 can become a free agent two years or three years 416 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:14.160 from now, and well, we basically starting from from ground 417 00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:16.839 zero again here. So I think they'll, you know, I 418 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:19.599 think they'll be aggressive. I think you always have to 419 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:22.319 be aggressive here. But being aggressive and being able to 420 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:24.759 go out and do a deal and being comfortable doing 421 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:28.720 it is two different things that you know, listen to 422 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:31.599 the Western Conference as a bear, I mean it is 423 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:33.319 not even like you know, you would love to be 424 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:36.880 in a position where Detroit was a year ago, and 425 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:39.519 certainly where you know, listen, they the worst record and 426 00:21:40.000 --> 00:21:42.400 they still picked fifth in the lottery or in the draft, 427 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:44.920 and they but they were able to triple their wins 428 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.200 because they had a foundation player in Kate Cunningham. That's 429 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:52.319 the problem where where Utai is right now is it's 430 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.519 different than having Shay in Oklahoma City and having three 431 00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:59.160 lean years and basically go out and draft, jail and 432 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:03.720 check and add other players with the roster. And then 433 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:06.680 with Detroit you get a healthy cad and you had 434 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:10.160 shooting and you got Thompson, Dorian and Ivy and Holland 435 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:12.480 and you know you got you know, the both Beasley 436 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:16.000 and Harris. Like that's that is the biggest achilles I 437 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:19.200 look at when it's with when it's in Utah, it's 438 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:22.880 not you know, roster management and all that stuff. It's like, 439 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:25.319 who is the blue chip guy that you can plan 440 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:27.920 a flag on the hill and say this is our 441 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:31.480 franchise player. There is none. I mean, that's the reality 442 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:33.920 of it right now. And when you have that, that 443 00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:38.519 gives the fans hope that you can build around that player. 444 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:43.359 For sure. There was one piece of actually official business, Bobby, 445 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:45.279 that happened out here since you and I last spoke, 446 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.400 and Will Hardy had already had his fourth and fifth 447 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:51.279 year options picked up, so it's not like he was 448 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:55.200 a lame duck. However, they decided to extend him through 449 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:59.839 twenty thirty one and if he coaches throughout his entire contract, 450 00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:04.240 he'll have a nine year runway, which never happens. So 451 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:06.440 I was I was a bit surprised. I'm not gonna lie, 452 00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:08.279 although I've been very impressed with Will. I mean, I 453 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:11.160 don't know what's not to like, but your thoughts on 454 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:13.599 what the Jazz decided to do extend you Will Hardy 455 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:14.519 through twenty thirty one. 456 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:17.200 I just think it's the market. You know, it's almost 457 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:19.480 like a player that you kind of know what the 458 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:21.599 market's going to be if you ever that coach was 459 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:24.240 ever out there, and especially if he was going in 460 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:27.079 with two years or on an expiring I just think 461 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:29.880 that he is extremely valuable, not just in Utah, but 462 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:34.640 I think he's extremely valuable how teams look at him, certainly, 463 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:37.599 whether it be and I know he's under contract, whether 464 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:39.480 it been a team like Phoenix or some of these 465 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:43.880 other potential openings, I think it's rewarding him for basically 466 00:23:44.079 --> 00:23:47.240 going through this rebuild that there they were, you know 467 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:50.480 that they're going through and we'll probably could potentially be 468 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:53.960 going through again next year here. So I do think 469 00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:55.839 I think that kind of comes hand in hand as 470 00:23:55.880 --> 00:23:58.960 far as why, you know, you just didn't exercise the options, 471 00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:01.119 but you probably go out and send him all. 472 00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:05.000 Right, Moving back to where the league finds itself as 473 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:08.039 it pertains to the way they determine draft order. As 474 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:10.799 a result of the data we have since twenty nineteen, 475 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:16.319 where the worst team in the league does not it 476 00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:18.480 has not been rewarded with the number one overall pick, 477 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:22.160 and so many teams have fallen while other teams have risen. 478 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:25.400 Do you think that will change the approach of teams 479 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:28.400 like the Jazz this year that were just unserious about winning? 480 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:31.039 And look, we even Bobby, we even got a little 481 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:34.319 bit of a mission from Xenik after the season. Jay 482 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:36.559 Z was addressing the media and he said something like, 483 00:24:36.839 --> 00:24:38.960 we did everything we could to position ourselves with the 484 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:42.319 best chance possible. Right, it was the closest we got 485 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:44.759 to a front office guy actually admitting what they did. 486 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:46.799 And look, I get it, as you know, I mean, 487 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:48.359 I get the deal. I know what you can and 488 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:51.559 can't say. But now that we know that that guarantees nothing, 489 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:53.559 do you think we'll see a team out here that actually, 490 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:55.440 I don't know, for lack of a better phrase, puts 491 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:56.480 their best foot forward. 492 00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:00.400 I think in a perfect world, you would like to 493 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:05.599 be where san Antonio was this year as far as 494 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:07.960 in a position to contend for playing and then you 495 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:10.319 find yourself in that eat range and listen they go 496 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:12.599 to two. I mean, there's no guarantee you're going to 497 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.319 go to two. I mean Dallas wins a playing game 498 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:19.279 and loses in the plant playing final and gets to 499 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:22.359 the more pick, and they were eleven. So there there 500 00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:27.319 has to be substantial growth. And I'm not saying substantial 501 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:30.839 growth where you're basically trading five first round picks for 502 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:34.039 a player that maybe wins you five or six more games. 503 00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:35.839 But I don't think there is I don't think there 504 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:39.200 is anything wrong with putting yourself in a position where 505 00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:43.400 even if you're in the eleventh or twelfth position and 506 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:45.920 you're contending for one of the final plays, because the 507 00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:48.920 history has shown that you can still move up in 508 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:51.000 the lottery, and you probably have a better chance of 509 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:54.680 moving up in the lottery than what then where you 510 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.319 are as far as four and five, I've lived through it. 511 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:02.079 I mean I lived through it in twothy ten in 512 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:04.440 New Jersey and the lottery odds were different. I mean 513 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:07.000 we were twelve and seventy and woind up getting the 514 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:10.720 third pick in the draft. So I under I totally 515 00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:13.839 understand it as far as why they went about doing 516 00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:16.640 it and why teams go about doing it here, But 517 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:18.559 it is getting to a point where you do have 518 00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:21.759 to kind of you know, you're man shoot when they 519 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:24.640 trade down it in twenty twenty two every four years 520 00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:27.119 coming up. Yeah, and this was actually like the first 521 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:32.079 real true rebuild because you overachieved the first two years 522 00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:34.920 and stuff. So, but I do think you can put 523 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:37.599 something on the court where you can win games and 524 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.680 still be in a position to draft pretty high. 525 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:43.680 Okay, I know you're not a hot take guy, which 526 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:46.480 I appreciate about you. You know, what you do is 527 00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:50.359 a great job of educating us about what's actually happening 528 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:53.079 as opposed to what you think should happen. But since 529 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.839 we're in this weird space in Salt Lake, moving into 530 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.279 the fourth year of a rebuild or a two years tear, 531 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:02.799 whatever it is, it's four years since they were good. 532 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:05.400 Do you like the way the league goes about the 533 00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:07.599 draft process. Do you like the fact that they are 534 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:12.119 trying to dissuade teams from being unseerious about the endeavor 535 00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:15.799 and encouraging front offices to have integrity about their approach. 536 00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:18.880 There's the NFL model where they simply reward and inverse 537 00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:22.160 orders there's a ton of think you know, pieces out 538 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.319 there about what they should or should not do. What 539 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.599 do you think about the way the league approaches the 540 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:27.000 whole thing. 541 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.440 I could, I could, I would be on board with 542 00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:36.559 rewarding a team. You know, basically the NFL model as 543 00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:39.160 far as going by you know, the standings, as far 544 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:42.039 as you know, we ever finished worse. We let's eliminate 545 00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:45.000 the lottery and say, but if you finish with the 546 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:47.880 first pick, then you are basically there's a void as 547 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:50.799 far as you finishing first the following year, right, like 548 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.279 you're you don't have the option to get number one 549 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:57.519 consistently here, or there's a there's a there's a kind 550 00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:59.519 of a penalty system there. I don't think the league 551 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:01.599 will ever do that, But listen, if we're going to 552 00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:05.079 do based it off just standings wise, then we could 553 00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.359 see the same teams in the top three all the time. Right, 554 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:10.119 it just keeps on spitting out the same scenarios and 555 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:13.359 everything like that, because there's because there is no incentive 556 00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:16.759 to win to win games there. I understand why the 557 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:19.599 league did it. I get it and everything like that, 558 00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:22.039 but we still saw teams this year, you know, and 559 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:24.079 I saw ted Leones is the owner of the Wizard 560 00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:25.799 to be like, oh, we weren't tanking stuff, we were 561 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:28.480 developing guys, and great, that's another way of using that. 562 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:31.440 But there's also like when you're not playing guys who 563 00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.359 are healthy and or you're playing guys, or you're treating 564 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:37.480 games like like preseason games and guys play twenty minutes 565 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:40.400 and you don't play them when you're leading in the 566 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:43.279 fourth quarter. There is that is Yeah, that's probably you 567 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:45.599 screw around the integrity of the game a little bit here. 568 00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.039 So I don't know what to fick the rule. You 569 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:50.240 know the right way to go about doing it. Here. 570 00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:53.839 You're trying to find a fine balance here, but you 571 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:57.039 would like to see teams because it eventually like you're 572 00:28:57.079 --> 00:28:59.720 just basically running in mud forever. As far as if 573 00:28:59.720 --> 00:29:01.599 you're not if you don't land one of these top 574 00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:06.039 like a top pick here, but you still have the position. 575 00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.119 As I said, you can still get a good player 576 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:10.960 at five if you do your work and you develop 577 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:12.920 him right and it fits in there. I mean that 578 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:15.359 it just puts a little more pressure on the organization. 579 00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:18.000 One more thing here. Then we'll move on to teams 580 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.240 that are actually still playing you know, San Antonio two 581 00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:26.319 is interesting only because if it is the Dylan Harper kid, 582 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.119 there might be some redundancy on that roster with Stefan 583 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.359 Castle and Daron Fox. But the reports are that they're 584 00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:34.359 going to hang on to two and draft him and 585 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.799 let him develop, which is probably the right thing to do. 586 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.039 A lot of people out here wondering if there's a 587 00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.720 way the Jazz could utilize the assets in their back 588 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:45.039 pocket to move up. I don't know if Phillya three 589 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:46.799 is an option. Do you think anybody in front of 590 00:29:46.839 --> 00:29:48.559 the Jazz would be open to moving their pick? 591 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:51.880 Oh? I would think so. I mean certainly, I think 592 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:54.680 outside of Dallas at one, I think if it if 593 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.640 it makes sense. You know, Dylan Harper's is a really 594 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:01.000 nice player. But if you're will to move some of that, 595 00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:05.400 excuse me, that Cleveland or Minnesota draft equity or that 596 00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.599 Phoenix one that's kind of the golden ticket in thirty one, 597 00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:10.839 I think there's a way for you to get up there. 598 00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.039 I think it's just a matter of how much separation 599 00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:16.039 do you feel Dylan Harper is compared to what you 600 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:18.759 can get at number five. I think that's that's the 601 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:21.200 big that's the big question is and is it worth 602 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.440 in that type of deal compared to something that maybe 603 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.759 could become available down the road. So when you have 604 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:30.960 the equity like Utah does and some of these other teams, yeah, 605 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:33.319 I think there's options to do that as far as 606 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.279 you know getting up there and you know, but it's 607 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:38.240 it will it will cost you. I mean, that's the 608 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:40.240 big thing. It will cost you to move up, you know, 609 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:42.400 whether it be three spots or two spots. 610 00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:48.000 All right, Bobby. Last Thursday, I went to bed and uh, 611 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.079 I was tossing and turning, picturing Charles Smith missing four layups, 612 00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:55.680 picturing Anthony Mason throwing a ball to Reggie Miller, picturing 613 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:58.880 Patrick Ewing having a finger roll. Go off is go 614 00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:00.839 off the back of the rim pick and John starts 615 00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:02.759 shooting three of eighteen. And no part of me thought 616 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:05.759 the New York Knicks were winning on Friday night, even 617 00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:09.599 without Jason Tatum. That's just the deal with this organization 618 00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:11.119 that I've been a part of since I was ten 619 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.400 years old, and I'm thrilled to have a Nick team 620 00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:17.559 Tocher four. I wonder what you make of the way 621 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:20.759 they've got about this roster construction and who jalen Is 622 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:23.359 and the way Tom has been able to traverse this 623 00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:25.759 space in New York back in the Conference finals for 624 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.680 twenty five years, facing that same Indiana Pacer team. 625 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.160 Yeah, it's amazing. I was a senior in Cow. I 626 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:37.240 think I just graduated when that infamous Game seven happened, 627 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:40.799 when the Ewing Kinger roll rolled off the rim there. 628 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.599 So I do remember that series, the multiple series during 629 00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:48.240 the nineties. Well, New York is different than three other 630 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:52.119 three teams that are left Oklahoma City, Indiana and Minnesota 631 00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.319 eight deep, right in, eight really good players. As far 632 00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:59.119 as how they're maybe okay, she's a little deeper. New 633 00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:02.400 York is really reliant on their five. You know they're 634 00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.039 starting five. Uh, they play a ton of minutes. We 635 00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:08.640 know that you've seen a little bit of Robinson, I 636 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.000 mean a lot of Robinson certainly in that Boston series 637 00:32:11.079 --> 00:32:13.920 and then you sprinkle and induce McBride here. They're heavily 638 00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:18.319 reliant on on Brunson, as we know. I think they 639 00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:22.119 get they run into trouble when the ball sticks and 640 00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.039 is not there's you know, the others basically are standing around. 641 00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:28.079 I do think that series is going to be reliant 642 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.960 on how involved Hounds is. You saw in game six 643 00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.519 when he is involved and he's aggressive in the beginning, 644 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.880 and he's not just standing on the perimeter. They're pretty 645 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:40.440 dangerous here. I do find it funny that people in 646 00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.240 New York and I am from Northern Jersey have basically 647 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:47.759 kind of penciled them and everything finals, because Man Indiana 648 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:50.680 is a good team. I mean, they are real, they're fun, 649 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:55.000 they have there, They can play any way you want. 650 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:56.920 They can go up and down, they can they can 651 00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:59.000 try to get physical with you. I thought they were 652 00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.279 more physical than clear One, but New York is, yeah, 653 00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:04.240 I mean New York is kind of a different way. 654 00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:06.680 As far as how they constructed their roster. They went, 655 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.720 they went all in with bridges and they flipped you know, 656 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:15.359 certainly Dante and Julius four towns and as I said, 657 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.440 they're really heavy. You know, they're a team that really 658 00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:19.480 can't sustain. If they have an injury to one of 659 00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:21.920 your core guys, they're going to be in trouble where 660 00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:26.440 maybe you can say if lou Dord or you know, 661 00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.720 or Alex Crusoe get hurt in Oakland City, that they 662 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:33.039 can still get by Minnesota. Hear so it's an interesting 663 00:33:33.079 --> 00:33:35.440 way that Leona has been able to put that roster together. 664 00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:40.000 You're right, I didn't. I did think, even without Tatum, 665 00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:42.279 that that game was going to go back to game 666 00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:45.599 Boston for Game seven, just because I thought Boston was 667 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:48.640 the better team throughout the series, even when even when 668 00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:50.720 Tatum went down, I thought they still had enough to 669 00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:52.440 But you know, give them credit for getting to a 670 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:53.559 conference finals. 671 00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:56.359 Tell me this, Bobby. I mean, look, I've known Tom 672 00:33:56.400 --> 00:34:00.160 Thibodeau for years. He was an assistant under Jeff and 673 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:03.200 I respect the man immensely, and of course I would 674 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.960 never second guess anything but your reference how reliant they 675 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.920 are on their five. Yeah, when it's one hundred and 676 00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:14.400 ten to seventy four, like with six minutes left, can 677 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:16.800 we just go ahead and set aside the ethos and 678 00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:19.480 maybe take the guy like, are you watching thinking the 679 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:21.519 same thing I am? When it's like a forty point 680 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:22.840 game with six minutes left. 681 00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.440 You know, it's funny. It's it's one of those where 682 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:27.599 like when you're sitting in a stand, I'm sure and 683 00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.760 I think Beyonce, it's like four rowers behind them. It's 684 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:32.800 almost like one of those games where you'd like give 685 00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:34.519 a little a note to like, you know, one of 686 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:36.559 the court side attendants to just give it to one 687 00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.519 of the assistants to like pull these guys please, right, 688 00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:43.159 like they're lucky. Listen, they're lucky that nobody because if 689 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.000 you got someone got hurt. I mean, can you imagine 690 00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:49.119 if it's a og pulled a hamstring or somebody got hurt, 691 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.719 now it would have been he would have been and 692 00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.360 you know certainly that would have been widely scrutinized over 693 00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:55.360 the next week. 694 00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:55.719 Yeah. 695 00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:57.960 I do think that is especially when the other teams 696 00:34:58.039 --> 00:34:59.639 kind of pulls their own guys, right, I mean when 697 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.159 the other white waves or white flag, it's like, okay, 698 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:04.079 we're done right, Like put our guys in. There's no 699 00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.440 way a team has come back from not thirty five 700 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:07.119 to forty points. 701 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:09.360 Yeah, I didn't need to see Jalen fighting over a 702 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.760 Xavier Tillman pick. Please, Like, what are we doing here? 703 00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.840 But let's move out. Let's move out this way, Bobby, 704 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:19.519 I wonder what you make of the way Minnesota has 705 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.000 been able to go about their business. And look, I 706 00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.440 mean it's interesting out this way because I'm watching Donovan 707 00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:27.239 with a great I mean, obviously it didn't end well 708 00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:29.760 with Cleveland, but Rudy's been great, Conley's been great, Like 709 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.360 all the ex Jazz guys I have gone on to 710 00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:34.719 really play well for teams. And I'm thrilled for Rudy, 711 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.039 and I cheer for Mike who doesn't. But what do 712 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.480 you make and luck? Obviously it's different with Stephan Curry, 713 00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.239 but kind of the same question the way Minnesota has 714 00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:44.000 gone about this roster construction and what do you think 715 00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:46.400 their chances are against Okase in the conference final? 716 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:48.880 Yeah, you know, it's interesting. You get to a conference 717 00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:53.079 finals a year ago and usually you would roll back, 718 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:56.159 and you know, Atlanta did it a few way back 719 00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:57.920 when and it kind of hurt them a little bit. 720 00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.119 Minnesota was different because they from a financial angle, they 721 00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:08.199 were extremely extremely expensive, and to basically break up towns 722 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:12.800 into two players with Randall and Devincenzo, I think it 723 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.679 was important to them because from a flexibility standpoint. Listen, 724 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:18.519 we did not know that this Minnesota team could get 725 00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:21.239 to a conference finals because we didn't think that the fit. 726 00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.719 Maybe the fit wasn't working with Randall when you had 727 00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:29.159 of him with Gobar. Randall has been you know, certainly 728 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.519 Edwards is their best player, but he's been at least 729 00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:34.199 their second best player and it hasn't been close down 730 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:37.599 the stretch and in the playoffs, and he has played extremely, 731 00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:42.440 extremely well. It's a deep team. You know, when you 732 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:48.000 have Devincenzo, Alexander Walker and Nasri coming off your bench, 733 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:50.639 it gives you a lot of interchangeable parts as far 734 00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.400 as what they're able to do. We saw it in 735 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:55.800 the Golden State series. We saw it in the Lakers series. 736 00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:01.239 They become a little too heavy reliant shooting three. I 737 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:02.840 would love to see him just you know, when ants 738 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:05.519 going downhill and attacking the basket, he is like he's 739 00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:07.360 dangerous because he can do so many different things. You 740 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.320 can get to the basket or maybe become a facilitator. 741 00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:13.199 I do think they do get themselves in a little 742 00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:15.519 bit of trouble when when you when they are so 743 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:18.760 reliant on shooting from deep, it's going to be a 744 00:37:18.840 --> 00:37:21.800 great series. It really is like okay, I mean you okay, 745 00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.800 see comes at you in waves right like they basically 746 00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:26.239 you know, it was twelve to twenty four to ten 747 00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.599 yesterday down and normally you'd be like, oh boy, this 748 00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:31.559 team is going to be in trouble at Game seven 749 00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:34.159 at home. They're tight, but they basically come and I 750 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:38.159 know Denver was certainly nicked up. They come at you 751 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:41.519 with waves, you know, Wallace for dort Right, they can 752 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:44.880 go double bigs, Caruso. They can put on basically any 753 00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:47.679 of the five players here. So it is going to be, 754 00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:49.880 you know, both years are going to be really, I think, 755 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:53.440 really really competitive, a couple of different, you know, contrast styles. 756 00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:54.920 I think it's great for the league where we are 757 00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:57.880 parody wise, that some one of these teams will win 758 00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.920 a championship, some for the first time, another for the 759 00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:02.840 first time in fifty plus years. 760 00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.400 Bobby, last thing that will set you loose. I started 761 00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.039 out the show with this, and I want you to 762 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:11.440 kind of expand on it and help us understand where 763 00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:15.039 we're at in pro basketball from a macro viewpoint of 764 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.960 an era of great parody, where markets such as ours 765 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.159 have been able to roster construct elsewhere to win championships 766 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.480 in the CBA, I believe expires in twenty thirty, which 767 00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:30.400 gives another five year window with this landscape for teams 768 00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.639 that operate in cities like ours that have been able 769 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.679 to do really great things. How does the current landscape 770 00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.960 benefit a team that plays in Salt Lake, and you 771 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.519 think the Jazz can capitalize on it before the NBA 772 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:42.400 decides to maybe pivot in twenty thirty. 773 00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.840 I think how it helps Utah and other cities is 774 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:50.800 that there's three elements as far as roster building. There's 775 00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.440 the draft, there is the trade market, and then there's 776 00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.599 free agency. And the under the CBA, free agency is 777 00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.519 a distant third. Uh, it's it's probably we wouldn't maybe 778 00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:05.280 even put it in there because it's it's really nonexistent. 779 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.159 And I think that helps. I think that helps some 780 00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:11.840 of these these markets that aren't Los Angeles or New 781 00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:15.079 York or Miami or you know other other you know, 782 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:18.559 San Francisco with Golden State here that if you draft, 783 00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.599 you developed, and you retain, you're gonna have a chance 784 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:24.679 the herd. The hard part is you got to draft, well, 785 00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:26.360 right like you got to draft, You got to hit 786 00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.280 on your picks and stuff like that and draft players 787 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.039 and then because then it gives you the functionality to 788 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.400 go out and add a play or to like Indiana 789 00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:36.480 was able to do right. Indiana's you know, I know 790 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.719 they made they swapped Halburn for or sabonas for Halburn. 791 00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:41.920 But then they were able to go out and and 792 00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.719 you know, in draft Mathron and they got trade the 793 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:48.000 Nie Smith and they traded for Siakam and they're still 794 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:51.039 in a really good position here. So the drafting and 795 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.320 developing sets up for when that player becomes available, and 796 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:56.000 it's just a matter of you going out and doing it. 797 00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:59.000 But I do think it eliminates, you know, for most part, 798 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.039 free agency and all these teams gobbling up these superstars 799 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.599 and stuff, and it gives you the ability to extend 800 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:06.599 with your own team and stay with your own team 801 00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:08.960 for the long haul and stuff like that. So I 802 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.840 do think there's some advantages. I think there's a lot 803 00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:13.239 of advantages there too, but it's more of that you 804 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:14.639 now you have to capitalize on that. 805 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:17.800 Well, Bobby, I appreciate the time has been such a 806 00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:20.639 fun playoff. Excited for the conference finals and let's get 807 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:21.880 you back on soon. Thank you, sir. 808 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:24.000 Sounds good. Good talk with you, all right. 809 00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:26.960 The great Bobby Marks, the ESPN front office insider, spend 810 00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.960 a number of years with the new Jersey nets. That's right, kids, 811 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.159 look it up. Does a great job of kind of 812 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:34.480 helping us understand the landscape of the league. 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Conference final start tomorrow and they continue on Wednesday. 823 00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:12.199 Happy Monday to our guy Tom Haberstrow, who joins now 824 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.760 to talk some ball. Tommy, what's going on? Man? Tom Aberstrow? 825 00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:18.159 All right here? 826 00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:21.760 I had myself on mute. I was it was a 827 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:24.920 rookie move. I had myself on mute and I was talking, 828 00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:27.880 and you were like, hey, can I hear you? When 829 00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:29.960 I was like, is my take that the last of 830 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:33.039 Us episode that I watched that I can't watch tonight? 831 00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:35.360 Do you have any last of Us takes? Are you 832 00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:36.239 watching that show? 833 00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:37.760 I am not. 834 00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:38.679 Have you? 835 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:40.760 Have you made your way through righteous Gemstones? 836 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:44.599 So that's on my to do list this offseason. 837 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:48.280 I know, I know, just don't, just don't. I know it, everybody, 838 00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:51.320 all my buddies are I can't believe because, like, if 839 00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.840 you did an algorithm of like things that I like, 840 00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:59.199 comedies shows, HBO shows, whatever, it would all point to 841 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.840 the Righteous said Stones. And I haven't started it yet. 842 00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:04.159 And I'm sorry, I apologize. That is number one on 843 00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:04.800 my big board. 844 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.199 You do not have to apologize to me, but you 845 00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.119 can count me among the people. We're not best buds, 846 00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:12.639 but it does seem like Rascius Gemstones would be right 847 00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.719 down your alley. I mean, I'm a like anything McBride does, 848 00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:18.000 I'll give it a chance, you know, vice principles, whatever 849 00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:19.719 it is, I'm gonna watch Danny McBride. 850 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:20.840 Well. 851 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:26.440 I think I think right now the NBA it's a 852 00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:30.440 great time to be an NBA fan because we've got 853 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:35.280 some new fresh blood. We've got the whole Cooper Flag dynamic. 854 00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:38.320 There's a lot of storylines with the Luka Doncic stuff. 855 00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:39.599 We've got some new blood. 856 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:42.280 But I got to say, at this point in the postseason, 857 00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:44.599 I think everyone deserves a little bit of a beat, 858 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:45.920 a little bit of a break. 859 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:50.079 And so last night having no game and then tonight 860 00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:51.119 not having a game. 861 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.039 I think it's good for all. I'm not saying it's 862 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.800 Aaron Gordon. Where Aaron Gordon is now after losing, saying 863 00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.280 we need more rest than the postseason. I'm not saying 864 00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:02.880 I'm taking a page out of Aaron Gordon's book. I'm 865 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:07.320 just saying, Look, I think for everyone's health and their 866 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:12.000 families and their loved ones, it'll be good to get 867 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.079 some FaceTime with them this evening. I'm just saying that. 868 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:18.199 What if you're single and your only child is twenty three, 869 00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.639 living in New Canaan, Connecticut, and not in Salt Lake. 870 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:22.480 What if you have literally nothing to do and no 871 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:23.639 family to interface with. 872 00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:25.599 You're asking for a friend. 873 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.320 Yeah no, not me, not me, Tom, I'm just a 874 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:28.920 buddy of mine. 875 00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:34.079 Well, you know what, you can pull up some old clips. 876 00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:37.559 You know, you can pull up whatever you want. And 877 00:43:37.599 --> 00:43:39.480 that's a great thing about the NBA is there's a 878 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.480 plenty of libraries there on NBA dot Com or if 879 00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.880 you want, on all the streaming platforms, there's lots of 880 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:48.000 content you can watch on the NBA if you need 881 00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:49.000 to fill that void. 882 00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:50.880 In your life or could you do me a favor 883 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:54.519 and go to the archive of the Staples Wreckers and 884 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:56.920 see if you can give me nineteen ninety four New 885 00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:00.679 Canaan at Staples Spence check its versus p Van Sicklin. 886 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:01.559 Can you can you do that? 887 00:44:02.679 --> 00:44:05.880 What is a website error message for h or not? Now, 888 00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.559 that's what that is. I don't know what you're talking about. 889 00:44:10.400 --> 00:44:12.880 Fair enough? All right, Tom, I've got kind of a 890 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:16.000 loaded question, but you'll be good with this. I started 891 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:19.599 the show off today with you know, we're about to 892 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:23.119 have our seventh NBA champion seven years. When you look 893 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:26.079 at some of the teams that have won championships, it's Milwaukee, 894 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:31.079 it is Denver, and ultimately this year we have Minnesota, 895 00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:34.519 we have Oklahoma City, we have Indianapolis, all in the 896 00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:38.920 final four, which means this era of parody should benefit 897 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.519 teams at play in cities such as ours. Now. The 898 00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:45.039 problem is the Jazz are not ready to capitalize on 899 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.360 what other teams have been able to position themselves to 900 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:51.400 capitalize on. The new CBA expires in five years. We 901 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.599 have Bobby Marks on last segment, we kind of walked 902 00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:57.920 through this, So explain to us why we have seen 903 00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:02.360 this parody manifest itself in basketball, and how the Jazz 904 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:06.960 can position themselves to capitalize on this era the way 905 00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.840 that other small, small market teams have. 906 00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:11.880 Here's how you do it. 907 00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.960 You build up your medical staff. There's no cap on 908 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:20.159 your medical staff. And this parody era is lipstick on 909 00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:26.480 a pig. The parody label is a nice, warm propaganda 910 00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:30.960 term to say, all our stars are injured these days, 911 00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:34.719 and that's what's dictating these non repeats and new champions 912 00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.719 every year. Because guys like Jason Tatum, or if it's Jiannis, 913 00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:40.519 or if it's Kevin Durant in the twenty nineteen NBA Finals, 914 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:43.239 or it's Klay Thompson in the twenty nineteen NBA Finals, 915 00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.119 if it's Chris Middleton with the Milwaukee Bucks, if it's 916 00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:51.119 Drew Holliday this year in Jason Tatum, these repeat quests 917 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.840 are more a result of stars getting injured. 918 00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:57.679 Then I think what's being led on and we can 919 00:45:57.719 --> 00:45:58.280 say this. 920 00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:01.599 Is the era of you know, the CBA, that the 921 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:07.039 second Apron and the Big Three era is done. I 922 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:09.400 would argue that this is more of a function of 923 00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:12.079 NBA stars are getting hurt and not on our TV 924 00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:16.599 screens than it is more of this, like good competitive 925 00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:21.199 balance measures, and I think that's not a fun story 926 00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:24.400 to tell. It's an important story to tell. It's an accurate, 927 00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:29.800 accurate story to tell that the repeat champions or the 928 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:34.760 reigning champions, I should say in that seven years are 929 00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:39.960 more injury riddled than not. So when we look at 930 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:43.679 the Boston Celtics and why they they've felt in that series, 931 00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.880 there's two reasons. One they got really cold shooting, and 932 00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:51.519 two they had no Jason Tatum, a banged up Drew 933 00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:54.159 Holiday who was missing playoff games earlier in the series. 934 00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.960 In the playoffs, he had also Christaps Porzingis, who was 935 00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:02.360 a shell of himself. Right, the Knicks were healthy, they 936 00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:06.480 played great, but the Boston Celtics are not repeat champions 937 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:10.599 mostly because of the fact that they didn't shoot well 938 00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:14.000 and that they weren't healthy. And that really is the 939 00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:17.199 big story here is when you're talking about parody in 940 00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:21.719 the NBA, it's not a thing of competitive balance, no 941 00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:25.119 matter what they sell you. It's more about three point 942 00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:28.960 shooting has taken over the league, and because of that, 943 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:32.199 there's more variance in who wins in a series. And 944 00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:34.880 if you look at every series, this postseason. 945 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.000 Almost all of them have been. 946 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.519 Won by the team that shot better from downtown, almost 947 00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:43.440 every single one. And so when you have the three 948 00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:48.760 ball mattering this much and injuries mattering this much in 949 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:53.440 the postseason, I just wrote a column for Yahoo Sports 950 00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:58.400 that injuries in the postseason have increased sevenfolds since the 951 00:47:58.480 --> 00:47:59.719 late nineteen nineties. 952 00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.400 Injuries to star players, all star players. 953 00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:08.719 Have increased sevenfold since the late nineteen nineties and fivefold 954 00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:14.199 since as recently as two thousand and eight. So that 955 00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:16.559 is why we're not having these repeat champions. 956 00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:18.360 As much as we want to say it's about, oh, 957 00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:21.679 everyone's got a chance, Well everyone's got a chance because 958 00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:25.079 stars that matter more in basketball than any other sport, 959 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.960 star players are not being available because of injuries and 960 00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:31.239 three point shooting, and so I think that's more of 961 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:33.519 a reason. And if you're a. 962 00:48:33.519 --> 00:48:36.159 Utah Jazz, sayan, I would say, make sure your training 963 00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:38.840 staff is as good as the New York Knicks is one, 964 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:43.320 because they just got the Traders Award this year. The 965 00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:47.519 Traders Association Athletic Trainers Association give out the Athletic Training 966 00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:51.800 Association Award and going to the healthiest or the best 967 00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:53.880 training staff in the league, and it just got awarded 968 00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:57.239 to the Knicks today and they got Casey Smith from 969 00:48:57.239 --> 00:48:59.519 the Dallas Mavericks, which is one of the reasons why 970 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:05.000 a legend Luka Doncic was moved at the deadline, was 971 00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.559 because Casey Smith, who was one of the best and 972 00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:12.280 most well regarded training staff head athletic trainers in the 973 00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:16.360 NBA that was as close to Dirknovsky as anybody who 974 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:17.840 was a part of the staff when they won the 975 00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:22.800 twenty eleven NBA Finals against the Miami Heat. That guy 976 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:24.599 just got the award for the New York Knicks. And 977 00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:27.280 I think that this is an important storyline for the 978 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:29.519 franchises that are in Charlotte, where I'm based, and in 979 00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:34.000 Utah and in Memphis and New Orleans. You gotta ramp 980 00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:36.800 up your medical staffs because that is the most important 981 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:39.840 ingredient when it comes to winning championships. Is not just 982 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:43.119 having stars, yes we all know that, but making sure 983 00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.480 those stars are healthy and well supported by your performance 984 00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:49.719 of medical staff. That's going to dictate as much as 985 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:52.719 getting the star is making sure that they're able to 986 00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:56.000 play in June, in May, and in April. And that 987 00:49:56.199 --> 00:49:58.519 is a big storyline that no one's talking about. 988 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:01.719 Well, Tom, I didn't invite you on to completely sabotage 989 00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:06.599 my rundown of the show today. Okay, so you're not 990 00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:10.639 necessarily wrong. The problem with talking about that through the 991 00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:13.159 prism of where the Jazz file themselves is all due 992 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:15.920 respect to the current roster, none of them really have 993 00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:18.559 to stay healthy for them to do anything special. So 994 00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:22.559 I guess I'll try to change maybe the angle in 995 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:24.119 the direction. But I do want to get back to 996 00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:25.719 what you just said, because I'm wondering what your thoughts 997 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:27.800 are and why we're seeing this. But when it comes 998 00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:32.159 to the jazz perspective, is there anything that we can't 999 00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:35.119 ascertain from the current landscape of the NBA that is 1000 00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:38.719 positive for this fan base to look at through the 1001 00:50:38.719 --> 00:50:41.880 prism of what Okac has built, and Minnesota has built, 1002 00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:45.159 and Indianapolis is built, and Milwaukee winning a title and 1003 00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:47.400 Denver winning a title. Is there anything about all of 1004 00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.119 that that this fan base should look at as a 1005 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:54.159 positive piece of news for the future of this organization 1006 00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:57.280 as they continue to try to roster construct Well. 1007 00:50:57.199 --> 00:50:59.800 Yeah, I mean it's good news that we have injuries 1008 00:50:59.800 --> 00:51:02.159 to star players, because if you don't have a great team, 1009 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:05.599 or if you're trying to rebuild and you know, strike 1010 00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.360 hit the lottery, not ands sarily the trap lottery. We 1011 00:51:09.400 --> 00:51:11.280 don't have to revisit that from last week. 1012 00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:14.760 But the point is, if you are a. 1013 00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:18.199 Mid tier title contender like the Indiana Pacers or the 1014 00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:21.800 Minnesota Timberwolves that were not in my top tier all 1015 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:26.079 season long at Tomdefiner dot com, you have a better 1016 00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:30.880 shot in today's era when Jason Tatum and Jamian Lillard 1017 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.840 tear their achilles in the postseason, like you have a 1018 00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:38.360 better chance at making a run and having things break 1019 00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:41.639 your way if star players are getting into your more so, 1020 00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:44.360 if the Utah Jazz want to look at this era 1021 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:48.440 and say, hey, it's a shorter path because of this, 1022 00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:52.960 I would agree with you. I would also say that 1023 00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:57.519 when you have a guy like Will Hardy who believes 1024 00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:00.800 in three pointers and has a shot pro file of 1025 00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:03.960 you know, having smart taking your shots from smart places 1026 00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:08.199 on the floor, rim get to the free throw line, 1027 00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:12.079 and three pointers. This is the modern way to play. 1028 00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.199 And you're seeing that games are being dictated by three 1029 00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:18.920 pointers a lot more. And he believes that, like Will Hardy. 1030 00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:22.239 Is is wise to the importance of the three point shot. 1031 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:26.000 That doesn't mean that he he is okay with Walker 1032 00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:29.280 Kessler taking toad threes a game that we saw a 1033 00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.119 little cameo of that at the end of the season, 1034 00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:32.599 and we might know why. 1035 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:33.280 That was happening. 1036 00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.079 But I think when you look at the Utah Jazz 1037 00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:42.960 and this more open playing open season for the championship, 1038 00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:46.679 it might not be as long of a runway as 1039 00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:50.199 it was in previous generations and the thunder or evidence 1040 00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:53.559 of that. And I also think that the Indiana Pacers, 1041 00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:58.039 you remember they were in the Webby sweepstakes like they 1042 00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:00.599 were gonna be a team that was the tank and 1043 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:02.920 they kind of were too good for that. It wasn't 1044 00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:07.760 long ago that the Indiana Pacers were considered Vegas's the 1045 00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.800 lowest number in the over unders by by Vegas. There 1046 00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:13.400 was only a couple of years ago. And so now 1047 00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:16.199 they are one of the last four teams remaining for 1048 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:19.559 a second straight year. And I think there's a good 1049 00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.320 lesson there for Utah Jazz that this can turn around quickly. 1050 00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:26.360 So we talked to you, I think our first NBA 1051 00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:30.039 guest after the bad news that the Jazz did not 1052 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:33.480 get a little luck last week and they a cheap, 1053 00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:37.599 hesitating to say they fell to five because the percentages 1054 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:40.440 said that was the best possible out or not. The 1055 00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:46.280 most likely possible outcome was four or five, So that 1056 00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:48.679 was their floor. So they didn't get the luck, but 1057 00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:51.880 they actually landed where the numbers said they probably would land. 1058 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.840 Here's my question, Tom, because we've already seen a couple 1059 00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:57.840 of reports, one from our local b rider here the 1060 00:53:57.880 --> 00:54:01.960 Deseret News, Sarah Todd. The Jazz are going to do 1061 00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:04.199 whatever they can to try to move up, and they're 1062 00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:06.320 gonna try to be bold. They've got all the assets. 1063 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.039 You will see how that looks or what it looks like. 1064 00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:13.719 But who in the top five we can remove Dallas? 1065 00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:17.039 Because Patrick Dumont was like, we're keeping one. We're drafting 1066 00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:19.880 Cooper flag No, Nico, you can't trade it. So that's 1067 00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:23.239 already kind of done. So if we move Dallas, who 1068 00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:25.239 in front of the Jazz is most likely to move up? 1069 00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:30.800 And you think the Jazz can get something like that done. 1070 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:33.159 I'm looking at San Antonio. San Antonio at number two. 1071 00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:38.400 They already have Dared Fox and Stefan Castle and Dylan 1072 00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:42.360 Harper is considered the favorite to go number two before 1073 00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.639 the draft lottery and we'll see what happens. And if 1074 00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:51.599 the San Antonio Spurs move down, right, would they want 1075 00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:56.559 someone on the Utah Jazz roster right now in to 1076 00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:00.639 trade down from two to five And would they be 1077 00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:06.400 willing to part with let's say Lowry Marketing or John 1078 00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:11.719 Collins or another veteran that would be appealing to a 1079 00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.360 team that's trying to win, as we saw with dearon 1080 00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:19.000 Fox acquisition. They're trying to win now. And if if 1081 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:22.760 it's gonna be Lowry Marketing on the table for Dylan Harper, 1082 00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:27.480 I don't know. I think the Utah. 1083 00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:30.119 Jazz would be very wise to try to go get 1084 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:31.760 a Dylan Harper, but if it comes to the cost 1085 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:34.840 of marketing, I can understand why he would be very 1086 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.960 appealing to the Spurs and why Dylan Harper would be 1087 00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:40.559 very appealing to the Utah Jazz to get like their 1088 00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:43.199 point guard, whether you want to say hybrid guard of 1089 00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:48.000 the future, that would make sense from a personnel standpoint. 1090 00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:51.039 I just don't know if the Utah Jazz would move 1091 00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:53.400 marketing for Dylan Harper. I don't know if he's that 1092 00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:56.880 much of the knockdown or a home run draft prospect. 1093 00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.719 But in terms of the needs of this San Antonio 1094 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:04.920 Spurs as getting a knockdown three point shooter, A big 1095 00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:09.599 like Harrison Barnes is like a poor man's version of 1096 00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:13.199 Larry Markinen. Larry Markin is a star version of Harrison Barnes, 1097 00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.559 a big guard who can shoot the rock and play 1098 00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:20.079 multiple positions. When you got like Larry Markinen and Victor 1099 00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:23.840 Webbin Yama next to each other, that's really impressive. That's 1100 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:27.440 a really tough to guard front line. They're big and 1101 00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:31.639 you don't need as much shot blocking if you're Larry 1102 00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:34.440 Marketing when you got Wemby right there behind you. He's 1103 00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:36.719 like a soup up version of Walker Kessler back there. 1104 00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:41.079 So that's I would ask for more if I'm the 1105 00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:43.559 San Antonio, if I'm the Utah Jazz, if I'm gonna 1106 00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:47.480 move Larry Markinen. But that seems like two teams that 1107 00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:51.480 are on different trajectories, and you could imagine them trying 1108 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:53.880 to move up, But I can't imagine the San Antonio 1109 00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:57.760 Spurs are gonna move down for John Collins or something 1110 00:56:57.840 --> 00:56:59.960 like that. So it would be tough for me to 1111 00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:02.800 see the San Antonio Spurs unless Larry Markin is on 1112 00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:04.320 the table, all. 1113 00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:07.599 Right, moving over now to teams that are still playing, 1114 00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:10.599 and I wonder, and I talked to Bobby about this, 1115 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:14.960 and you'll get it, you know. Visions of Charles Smith 1116 00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:17.920 missing four layups in a row. No, he was not fouled. 1117 00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:22.440 Visions of Anthony Mason literally throwing an in bounce past 1118 00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:24.440 to Reggie Miller, who stepped back and hit a three 1119 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:28.119 when Greg Anthony fell down. Visions of Patrick Ewing's finger 1120 00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:30.800 roll bouncing off the back of the rim against the Pacers, 1121 00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:34.159 John Starts going three of eighteen, and pat Riley refusing 1122 00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:37.480 to just take Rolando Blackman off ice for a minute. 1123 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:40.159 All of those things dancing through my Nick fan head. 1124 00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:42.079 So no part of me thought we were going to 1125 00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.440 see a blowout on Friday night, Yet we did. What 1126 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:48.840 stands out most, Tom, outside of the Tatum stuff, which 1127 00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:51.320 we know has to be brought into the equation, but 1128 00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:53.000 the way the Knicks have been able to do this 1129 00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:55.239 and build this roster that brings them back to the 1130 00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:57.199 Conference finals, what stands out most to you. 1131 00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:04.159 I mean, it's Jalen Brunson. This guy is unreal, the way. 1132 00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:09.400 That he has dominated in fourth quarters this postseason and 1133 00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:10.320 in clutch time. 1134 00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:12.239 It's remarkable. 1135 00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:17.199 It's it's a testament to Leon Rose and Tom Thibodeau 1136 00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:19.880 and Worldwide West and the fact that they believe so 1137 00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:23.559 much in Jalen Brunton to tamper whatever you want to 1138 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:26.880 call it, hire his father to the coaching staff under 1139 00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:30.760 Tom Thibodeau, and send a whole fleet of people to 1140 00:58:30.800 --> 00:58:33.679 go watch that game that they thought it was about 1141 00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:39.000 Donovan Mitchell when it's more about Jalen Brunson. To go 1142 00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:41.880 and acquire that guy and then say, not only is 1143 00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:44.920 he going to be an All Star for us, but 1144 00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:47.559 he's going to be one of the best, if not 1145 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:50.440 the best playoff performer in a couple of years. Because 1146 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:54.320 that's the level that Jalen Brunton has been playing this postseason, 1147 00:58:54.360 --> 00:59:00.000 averaging twenty nine points per game and in the fourth quarters. 1148 00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:06.599 In fourth quarters this postseason, Jalen Brunson has over one 1149 00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:07.760 hundred points. 1150 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:08.840 He has one hundred and. 1151 00:59:08.880 --> 00:59:13.400 Fourteen points this postseason and the next highest guy has 1152 00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:18.639 seventy six. So Jalen Brunson in the fourth quarter shooting 1153 00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:21.159 fifty one percent from the floor, forty eight percent from 1154 00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:26.039 downtown and has more points than anybody by forty by 1155 00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:29.440 by by about forty points. That's insane. 1156 00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:31.159 And he's not a big. 1157 00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.679 Dude, and so I can understand why people looked at 1158 00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:37.480 Jalen Brunson and said he's undersize, he's not athletic enough. 1159 00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:40.679 But the dude's a winner and he's proven time and 1160 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:42.599 time again that he's been able to step up in 1161 00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.559 last postseason against the Indiana Pacers getting hurt and just 1162 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:48.519 not being able to finish the season. I can't wait 1163 00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:51.280 for this series. I can't wait to see how Karl 1164 00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:53.840 Anthony Towns is leveraged in this In this series, we 1165 00:59:53.960 --> 00:59:56.559 got two five out teams with Miles Turner and Karl 1166 00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:59.360 Anthony Towns being two of the best three points shooting 1167 00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:00.000 bigs in the league. 1168 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:02.360 League. We've got a lot of bad blood between these 1169 01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:03.679 two teams. Historically. 1170 01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:06.400 We're gonna see Reggie Miller on the mic for TNT 1171 01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:10.800 in their last postseason on the broadcast. There's a lot 1172 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:13.400 of dynamics here that are really exciting. But my favorite 1173 01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:16.880 thing is that we have the potential for Tyree Taliburton 1174 01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:19.519 to do the choke sign against the New York Knicks 1175 01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:23.039 allave Reggie Miller with Reggie Miller in the building in Indiana, Like, 1176 01:00:23.119 --> 01:00:28.119 if that happens, WWE ain't got nothing on this series. 1177 01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:31.639 We even saw Tyree Taliburton and Jalen Brunson in WWE, 1178 01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:36.039 and it wouldn't top the theatrics. If the Indiana Pacers 1179 01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:38.119 win a clutch game in Indiana against the New York 1180 01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:42.599 Knicks and with Reggie Miller on on the broadcast, Tyrese 1181 01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:45.039 Haliburton busts that out, like, I am, I am, I 1182 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:46.239 am here for this series. 1183 01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:49.400 You know what PTSD is, Tom, you know the definition 1184 01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:49.639 of that. 1185 01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:49.960 There. 1186 01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:52.159 I'm sorry, okay, So, like, of all the interviews you're 1187 01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:53.960 gonna do this week, this is the only one you 1188 01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:57.039 didn't need to do that. You realize that, right. 1189 01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:58.599 I am sorry to do that to you. 1190 01:00:58.719 --> 01:00:59.079 All good? 1191 01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.000 At first, I start off by having the mute button on, 1192 01:01:02.320 --> 01:01:03.639 and then I do that to you. 1193 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:05.199 Come on, man, if you hung up on me, I 1194 01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:06.000 would not blame you. 1195 01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:08.239 I would never do that to you, especially at my age. 1196 01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:11.679 When my son is visibly embarrassed watching me text. He's like, Dad, 1197 01:01:11.679 --> 01:01:13.199 why does that take you so long? I'm like, just 1198 01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.760 leave me alone. I'll get it done just real quick. 1199 01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:18.159 Who do you give the advantage to Nick Pacers just 1200 01:01:18.199 --> 01:01:18.679 early on. 1201 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.239 I think it's the Pacers and the way that they 1202 01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:26.079 get up and down the floor, the shot making that 1203 01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:27.840 they have. They are the best shooting team in the 1204 01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:31.039 postseason so far. They've got about eight guys in that 1205 01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:33.840 series shooting fifty percent or higher against Cleveland. 1206 01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:39.679 They are a team that I think could give the 1207 01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:42.239 next real problems when it comes to that up tempo. 1208 01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:47.719 They move the ball crazy way more than the Boston Celtics. 1209 01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:50.559 The Indiana Pacers are having more passes per game this 1210 01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:53.639 postseason than any team since twenty fifteen. It's been a 1211 01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:56.360 decade plus since we've seen a team move the ball 1212 01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:59.760 this much per game than the Indiana Pacers. And as 1213 01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:03.440 we say against the Boston Celtics, the switching that they 1214 01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:04.559 do sometimes. 1215 01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:06.639 They can get vulnerable. You're going to try to limit 1216 01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:09.360 the passing by switching a lot, but they're not a 1217 01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:12.599 good switching team, and so are you going to see 1218 01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:18.920 Tom Thibodeau in that very overload strong side defense, and 1219 01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:21.679 the Pacers are going to try to pick that apart 1220 01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:25.519 by getting them in rotation and getting open baskets. This 1221 01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:29.400 is a really good Pacers offense and a team that 1222 01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:32.679 has the best win percentage in the Eastern Conference since 1223 01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:36.360 January one. They're legit. It's not gonna be an easy series. 1224 01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:38.599 I picked the Boston Celtics over. 1225 01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:42.760 The Knicks in five games, so I'm obviously over underrating 1226 01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:45.599 the New York Knicks historically, but I just think the 1227 01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:48.000 Indiana Pacers play a brand of basketball that can be. 1228 01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:48.920 Really tough for the Knicks. 1229 01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:51.840 So I got the Pacers in that series. 1230 01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:55.880 Out this way okay see dispatches of Denver in Game seven, 1231 01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:59.159 and man, when they turn it on, it just look, 1232 01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:01.599 there might be a little press sure on OKAC with 1233 01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:04.840 Boston out, with Cleveland out, with Lebron out, with Stephen 1234 01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:08.199 Curry out, and I could keep going. They are the 1235 01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:11.239 Vegas favorite to win, not just against the Tea Wolves, 1236 01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:14.920 but the NBA Championship. Now Minnesota, I think they deserve 1237 01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:16.920 a lot more credit than most people are giving them, 1238 01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:18.760 and maybe we should have paid more attention to them 1239 01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:21.400 because they did finish the season well. But before I 1240 01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:23.039 say you lose, who do you like out this way 1241 01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:25.400 in the west, okay See or Minnesota? And why? 1242 01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:29.280 I think it's okay See. And their defense is so 1243 01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:33.039 smothering and so physical and so intense that I could 1244 01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:36.159 see it giving you know, Rudy Gobert a lot of problems. 1245 01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:40.280 I see Julius Randall has been as good as I've 1246 01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:43.239 ever seen Julius Randall play in this postseason. But the 1247 01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:46.280 way that they kind of bait you into trying to 1248 01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:48.320 go one on one and then they have like three 1249 01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:51.119 guys swarming you and swiping at the ball, I could 1250 01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:55.000 see that going very sideways for the Minnesota Timberwolves. Look, 1251 01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:58.719 this Golden State Warriors team was cooked without Stephan Curry, 1252 01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:02.920 Jimmy Butler was injured, could not muster up enough to 1253 01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:05.760 lead that team with any sort of fight against the 1254 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:08.400 Minnesota Timberwolves. And I think. 1255 01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:11.880 This thunder team is way different. They're way younger, youngest 1256 01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:16.440 title contending team ever. Alex Caruso. The fact that they 1257 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.559 were able to get him in the trade which for 1258 01:04:18.719 --> 01:04:21.880 Josh Giddy and then turn him into a Yokich stopper, 1259 01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:25.199 that was insane, And I got okay see, I've had 1260 01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:28.280 to okay see all season long. I've been on this 1261 01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:30.480 program saying that I think they're going to run through 1262 01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:33.760 the postseason. Denver did a great job giving giving them 1263 01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:37.079 a real battle in that semi Finals. I think it's 1264 01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:40.559 over in six games against the Minnesota Timberwolves. I understand 1265 01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:44.400 why Anthony Edwards and the Timberwolves on rest would seem 1266 01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:46.920 to be a popular pick. But I got OKAYC in 1267 01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:49.840 that series. But I want to hand it to Julius Rando. 1268 01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:51.840 He's proven me wrong this postseason. I did not think 1269 01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:53.480 he was going to be a good postseason perform and 1270 01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:56.480 you know, watching the Knicks as much as you do, 1271 01:04:56.920 --> 01:04:59.840 that he can be very frustrating and the way that he, 1272 01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:03.239 you know, plays isoball and just puts the blinders on 1273 01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:05.639 in a taxi. But in some of those series man against 1274 01:05:05.679 --> 01:05:07.760 the Lakers and the way that they were trying to 1275 01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:10.679 go small against the Timberwolves, like sometimes you need that bullyball. 1276 01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:13.199 Sometimes you need that against the Golden State Warriors that 1277 01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:16.519 are basically playing five guards out there. Julius Randam has 1278 01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:21.360 been excellent this postseason, but I think against a huge, intense, 1279 01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:24.440 physical thunder team, I think I think it's just going 1280 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:26.920 to be too much of a test for the Minnesota Timberwlves. 1281 01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:28.000 And I got Okac and six. 1282 01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:31.199 One more thing, actually, I want to kick the tires 1283 01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:34.199 real quick because you reference the next trainer, you know, 1284 01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:37.400 being awarded the the you know, the training staff of 1285 01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:41.159 the Year. I would just wonder if you're watching the 1286 01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:44.800 same way I am, Like, I get Tom's I get 1287 01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:48.280 Tom Thibodeau's ethos, like known him forever, he was Jeff's assistant. 1288 01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:51.239 But when it's one hundred and ten to seventy four 1289 01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:54.960 with five minutes left and Jalen Brunton is fighting over 1290 01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:58.360 Xavier Tillman picks, don't like, at what point do you 1291 01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.840 put aside who you are and sit your guys to 1292 01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:03.480 make sure they're ready for the next round? 1293 01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:08.199 Man, this a tiger trait changes straight. I know, I mean, 1294 01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:14.360 it's we've seen it, unfortunately, we've seen this horror show, 1295 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:18.000 the Boogeyman. What happens at the end of these runs. 1296 01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:21.440 It happened last year. They've I don't want to ran 1297 01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:25.679 on their parade like absolutely they should celebrate since two 1298 01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:29.519 thousands haven't made the conference finals. An incredible and incredible 1299 01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:33.840 performance against the Boston Celtics. But that stuff makes me nervous, man, 1300 01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:37.760 it does. And uh, you know with gayleb Brunton being 1301 01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:39.960 banged up this postseason and or at the end of 1302 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.039 the regular season, that ankle. 1303 01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:48.280 It just takes one. It just takes one weird freak 1304 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:51.119 play for that ankle to be rolled, and then it's 1305 01:06:51.159 --> 01:06:54.280 it's you know, the Tom Thibade story all over again. 1306 01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:58.000 But man, they're playing so well. Mitchell Robinson coming back 1307 01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:01.360 from injury, the way that he's performed, it's a seven 1308 01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:04.880 man rotation. And let's see what happens against the Indiana 1309 01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:06.480 Pacers that are going to try to run them out 1310 01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:09.280 of the gym. It's gonna be a really really fun series. 1311 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:09.840 I can't wait. 1312 01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:11.079 Where can people go get the work? 1313 01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:16.199 Tommy Oh, Tomdefinder dot com, Yahoo Sports, the Big Number 1314 01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:17.679 that I do with Dan Devine, as well as the. 1315 01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:19.920 KOC show that I appear every week. We're gonna do 1316 01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:24.960 a postgame show Thursday night after Minnesota, OKC. On Thursday night, 1317 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:27.440 We're gonna do a live show over at Yahoo Sports. 1318 01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.920 So go check me out there and of course, pack 1319 01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:33.360 your knives. Top Chef Recap show in full season right now. 1320 01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:35.039 If you're a Top Chef fan, thanks so much. 1321 01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:36.920 Bench All right, buddy, talk to you soon. There's the 1322 01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:40.519 great Tom Haberstrow brought to you today by IFA Country Stores, 1323 01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:44.000 Summer Vacation and warmer weather are just beyond the horizon. 1324 01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:47.519 As the days grow longer, excuse me, and brightly colored 1325 01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:50.119 flowers being making their appearance. 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Didn't make the Friday night till which apparently 1334 01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:21.840 was the best night, but Saturday show up at about 1335 01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:26.159 four thirty five hanging out with the youngs, and then 1336 01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:28.760 Weezer plays and the other old showed up, so that 1337 01:08:28.880 --> 01:08:33.159 was nice. You typically will attend to Kilby Block party 1338 01:08:33.199 --> 01:08:34.880 from time to time. Were you present at all? 1339 01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:38.680 I was lucky enough this this this year. I heard 1340 01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:39.720 from home. 1341 01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:42.079 Oh, you live close enough that you didn't have to. 1342 01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:44.199 I heard that concert while I was doing my garden 1343 01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:45.600 last night, so it was actually kind of nice. 1344 01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:48.800 And also Travis Tritt wasn't there. Yeah, Travis Tritt is 1345 01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:49.239 he alive? 1346 01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:50.119 I think so. 1347 01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:54.520 Shout out Travis Trick on a Monday afternoon, Tony Parks, 1348 01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:58.159 what's up, man, I'll tell you what I I finished 1349 01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:00.159 my Sunday nights the same way all the time. I 1350 01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:03.920 usually prefer to spend it with Scott van Feldt. Not literally, 1351 01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:07.159 that'd be weird, but hopefully it's van Felt Sports Center 1352 01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:10.439 and last night hang it out. I'd fall asleep and 1353 01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:12.600 they say top ten plays. I'm like, hey, I'll check 1354 01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:14.199 out the top ten plays. Who doesn't love the top 1355 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:17.079 ten plays? And then prior to number one, they said, 1356 01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:19.000 let's go to minor league baseball. And I'm like, oh, 1357 01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:21.880 I wonder if the Bees are involved. Sure enough, I 1358 01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.800 hear your voice in the background, and the number one 1359 01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:28.039 play on se top ten was a Bees player making 1360 01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:29.079 a great catch in the outfield. 1361 01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:35.640 Yes's awesome. Nico Cavadas, rob's a home run. Nico gets 1362 01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:38.439 traded to this team last year. Middle of the year, 1363 01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:41.079 Red Sox trade him him Matthew Lugo, who's now at 1364 01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:44.680 the Angels. Nico comes and he's a part of the team. 1365 01:09:45.159 --> 01:09:48.159 South Bend, Indiana kid grew up dreaming of going to 1366 01:09:48.239 --> 01:09:51.560 Notre Dame, went to games, baseball, football, watched Jeff Samarja. 1367 01:09:51.600 --> 01:09:54.760 The whole thing has stories school, Yeah, good call. He 1368 01:09:54.880 --> 01:09:57.079 dated a girl who lived in the Central time zone. 1369 01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:59.399 He lived in the Eastern, which was ten minutes apart 1370 01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:03.000 because they're right by the Yeah. So he has stories 1371 01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:05.279 that are just endless and are funny. And the cool 1372 01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:06.960 thing with him is I joke with him, well, your 1373 01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:10.039 timing is so great because you were always on time 1374 01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:12.960 on accident because you would gain an hour and he 1375 01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:14.720 would be like, no, I'd show up an hour early 1376 01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:15.159 for stuff. 1377 01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:16.199 It was annoying. 1378 01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:19.239 Right, So when he's at Notre Dame, a coach named 1379 01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:22.640 Link Jarrett comes along. They're one of the worst defensive teams, 1380 01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:25.319 flips him around to being one of the best defensive teams, 1381 01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:31.359 and he becomes very underrated, in my opinion, defensive player first. 1382 01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:32.119 Base, mostly here and there. 1383 01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:33.640 But then they put him in the outfield, and I'm like, 1384 01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:35.960 you know what, this guy could play some outfield. This 1385 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.199 guy and you're watching it in workouts and all of that, 1386 01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:43.600 You're going, this dude's I don't think he's I don't 1387 01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:45.319 think people would look at him and think, oh, this 1388 01:10:45.359 --> 01:10:47.359 is going to be a dynamic outfield player, a player 1389 01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:50.840 in the outfield, and sure enough, yesterday he's out and right, 1390 01:10:51.000 --> 01:10:53.000 I think that's his first game, and right, this year's 1391 01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:55.159 play mostly left most of that. 1392 01:10:55.319 --> 01:10:56.560 I have to go back and look at it. Some 1393 01:10:56.640 --> 01:10:57.840 of the games kind of blur together. 1394 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:01.319 But as it's going back, I'm like, Okay, yeah, I 1395 01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:03.600 think that's gonna get out. And then as I'm watching 1396 01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:06.840 him time the leap, I'm going, oh my gosh. And 1397 01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:09.479 then you see his athleticism, his ability to reach over. 1398 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:12.600 He couldn't have been more perfect with the timing. It 1399 01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:13.159 was awesome. 1400 01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:13.359 Man. 1401 01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:15.560 It was a great way they lost yesterday. 1402 01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:17.760 They didn't have a lost like seven to one, but 1403 01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:21.159 that was like a stellar highlight, one of many great 1404 01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:23.640 defensive highlights for the team. But that was so cool 1405 01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:27.319 to call to watch and then to know his background 1406 01:11:27.399 --> 01:11:28.560 which led up to that moment. 1407 01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:34.399 How you know, if at all, How does that work? Like, 1408 01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:37.560 do you guys get a call from ESPN like hey, 1409 01:11:38.159 --> 01:11:40.119 we want to use this clip. I mean, are you 1410 01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:42.840 aware that you're about to be calling the top play 1411 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:44.680 on Sports Center that night? Or you weren't it in 1412 01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:46.079 real time like the rest of us. I didn't know 1413 01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:48.600 it would be number one. I thought, oh, that's got 1414 01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:50.239 to be a candidate for sure. 1415 01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:52.159 And what you do is in your tweets and all 1416 01:11:52.199 --> 01:11:56.079 of the communication you hashtag sc top ten and Sports 1417 01:11:56.079 --> 01:11:59.880 Center and all that and so yeah, and I immediately 1418 01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:05.279 because the feed, here's what would happen this year. I 1419 01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:08.880 started saying, Hey, look, when we get a really dynamic call, 1420 01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:12.840 let's have a communications situation where we can get our 1421 01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:16.199 call over the MiLB call because they always take home 1422 01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:18.720 a home feed, because that would just normally be on 1423 01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:20.640 the home feed and that's it short. I was like, no, like, 1424 01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:23.479 let's get our call for big home runs and big 1425 01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:24.119 things like that. 1426 01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:25.479 And so that was a gimme. 1427 01:12:25.600 --> 01:12:27.520 We had a good system and it got processed right 1428 01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:30.000 away and then communicated to Sports Center right away, and 1429 01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:31.880 it just increases your chances. 1430 01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:32.359 For something like that. 1431 01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:36.199 To give love to Cavadis, to the Bees and you know, 1432 01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:37.439 a whole organization. 1433 01:12:37.520 --> 01:12:40.920 So it was cool. John Ollinger, John Oliver, excuse me 1434 01:12:41.119 --> 01:12:43.680 not John Hollinger. He writes for The Athletic. John Oliver 1435 01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:47.720 hosts this show called Last Week Tonight on HBO. It 1436 01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:51.199 airs every Sunday, and John's a really funny you know, 1437 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:53.920 it's a lot of satire, it's a lot of political satire. 1438 01:12:54.000 --> 01:12:57.760 But he did last night. He did an entire segment 1439 01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:01.199 on minor league baseball. And he had prior to a 1440 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:04.560 couple of shows ago because he went to who's this 1441 01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:09.840 super popular minor league baseball team that everybody Rocket City 1442 01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:13.600 and there are okay, okay, He went to a game 1443 01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:15.720 or something, he was like, this is awesome. More people 1444 01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:18.479 should go to minor league baseball games. So he offered 1445 01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:22.079 on his show to rebrand an entire minor league baseball team. 1446 01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:24.439 He's going to rename it, he's going to give it 1447 01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:26.840 a theme night, and they're going to create a mascot. 1448 01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:30.880 And so last night I think they landed on the Erie, 1449 01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:34.760 Pennsylvania baseball team. They're going to rebrand entirely. But he 1450 01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:36.479 did this and it was actually kind of cool. I 1451 01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:38.039 didn't realize he was going to do this. He kind 1452 01:13:38.039 --> 01:13:40.399 of made this plea like, if you live in a 1453 01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:43.920 city with minor league baseball, go support these teams. Because 1454 01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:46.159 they've done all of this research. And as a result 1455 01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:48.000 of the research, they were going to games, they were 1456 01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:50.239 talking to front offices, they were talking to fans, and 1457 01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:55.560 it was kind of like this last bastion of sport 1458 01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:59.960 that isn't overly tainted with economic confusion and capitalists undertop. 1459 01:14:00.239 --> 01:14:03.000 It's just like a pure way to go enjoy baseball. 1460 01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:05.560 I thought it was kind of cool, no like, and 1461 01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:08.760 obviously that reverberates with you. Yeah, it really really does. 1462 01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:11.560 That's why I think so many people who work in 1463 01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:14.560 the Pacific Coast League. Steve and I were obviously close, 1464 01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:16.560 Steve Cloukey and I, so many of us that work there. 1465 01:14:16.600 --> 01:14:20.800 That's why it's a clubhouse feel because it doesn't have 1466 01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:24.439 some of those undertones you're talking about. You deal with 1467 01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:28.680 far less of the unnecessary bs. There's always weird stuff 1468 01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:31.439 you gotta deal, but like, you get to really connect 1469 01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:33.479 with people in a great way, and the fans too, 1470 01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:36.119 and the whole thing. And the fans love the players 1471 01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:40.560 because we know, with the way it works, the chances 1472 01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:42.560 of them being there next year are next to not 1473 01:14:42.640 --> 01:14:44.680 because they're going to go to a different team, or 1474 01:14:44.720 --> 01:14:47.199 go to the major leagues or go somewhere. Like it's 1475 01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:49.960 just you shuffle the deck every year and the roster 1476 01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:53.399 changes so much year to year, so they when they 1477 01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:55.920 get a moment with the player, they love it. And 1478 01:14:55.960 --> 01:15:00.319 then on top of that, the ballpark becomes important. The mascot, 1479 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:04.159 the trends, the traditions, that the things like that make 1480 01:15:04.239 --> 01:15:07.079 it great. Baseball's already great like that, but when you 1481 01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:09.800 mix it in with something beautiful like what we had 1482 01:15:09.840 --> 01:15:12.199 at thirteen hundred South and West Temple and now what 1483 01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:14.920 we have in Daybreak like, it's you can't beat it 1484 01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:18.600 because it's so special to be around. So I've worked 1485 01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:22.720 in the NBA, TV radio, you know, mc PA, I've 1486 01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:25.199 done all the different arts and worked in different leagues. 1487 01:15:25.680 --> 01:15:27.760 There's nothing like the field of minor league. 1488 01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:29.720 Base tell me, and I don't have any data at 1489 01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:33.359 my disposal with this. You know, my sincere hope is 1490 01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:36.039 that the Millers endeavor to bring Major League baseball here. 1491 01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:37.760 It comes to fruition. I just think it would be 1492 01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:42.680 so great, and obviously through my prism last night, after 1493 01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:45.239 getting through you know, the NBA stuff, I watched Game 1494 01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:47.319 seven on the NHL side, and then some of the 1495 01:15:47.319 --> 01:15:50.920 Scheffler highlights I throw on met Yankees Subway series. My 1496 01:15:50.920 --> 01:15:55.640 guy Bellinger goes deep, yeah, ultimate Yankee stadium, walls scrapers, 1497 01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:57.520 and I just, yeah, just give me the lefty that 1498 01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:00.199 can hit it, you know, just right out there. Just 1499 01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:01.800 give me the lefty that you know can hit it 1500 01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:04.560 two hundred and fifty feet. We're good. And I love 1501 01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:06.319 that the Mets are good right now because Porter is 1502 01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:07.720 gonna be like, hey, we have a chance, and then 1503 01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:10.560 they don't because they're the Mets. But you know, I 1504 01:16:10.600 --> 01:16:12.439 haven't watched a lot of baseball yet this year. I've 1505 01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:15.920 been NBA playoff centric or whatever. But every time I 1506 01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:18.439 tune into a game and really give it my attention, 1507 01:16:19.159 --> 01:16:21.479 because it isn't a sport that's designed for the twenty 1508 01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:24.239 four to seven house of highlights like you have. If 1509 01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:26.560 you're gonna watch a baseball game, it requires some focus 1510 01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:31.159 and some attention. So it is a different Uh, you know, 1511 01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:36.359 it's a different time in our society because we all 1512 01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:39.319 have computers in our hand, and our intention spans are 1513 01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:41.199 like this. And I notice it with myself, like even 1514 01:16:41.239 --> 01:16:43.960 if I'm watching a movie, like, wait, this is two 1515 01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:45.720 hours long, I'm just gonna go watch the show that's 1516 01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:49.239 thirty minutes. Like, our attention spans are shorter. And I 1517 01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:51.319 don't know what that's done for the bottom line of 1518 01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:54.319 interest from Major League Baseball. But do you have any 1519 01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:58.560 insight as to the health of the sport right now, 1520 01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:00.199 not just the game that's a great game, but it's 1521 01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:02.079 at the health of Major League Baseball. 1522 01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:05.560 I mean, I think you look at how you would 1523 01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:07.279 compare it to other stuff like the NFL. 1524 01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:09.119 Clearly it's going to take a back seat. 1525 01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:12.680 I mean, just you it has so many games, and 1526 01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:15.239 when you talk about being there in person, it's a 1527 01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:18.399 great experience. TV and radio is obviously different. It's one 1528 01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:20.319 of those that you have on the background for radio 1529 01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:23.000 if you want. You know, I've always loved one. I'll 1530 01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:25.039 prep for a game if there's day games on. I 1531 01:17:25.079 --> 01:17:27.680 love my Wednesday Thursday games. I'll have it on in 1532 01:17:27.680 --> 01:17:30.239 the background, like listening to different broadcasters, just hearing the 1533 01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:31.239 sounds of it. 1534 01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:32.520 It's just nice. It's nice to have. 1535 01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:36.880 When it comes to something that you are going to 1536 01:17:36.920 --> 01:17:40.319 attach yourself to. You're not attaching yourself to it going Okay, 1537 01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:42.439 they can get out of the sixth inning, we get 1538 01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:43.439 to the bullpen. 1539 01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:44.439 And that No, that's for the playoffs. 1540 01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:47.600 It's just because there's so many games that the attention 1541 01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:49.520 span is not going to be there all the time. 1542 01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:51.359 So it's something to have on, something to have on 1543 01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:53.520 like on a Sunday night, like you're talking about, right, 1544 01:17:54.079 --> 01:17:57.439 and so the the eat, sleep, breathe every live moment. 1545 01:17:57.640 --> 01:18:00.279 In terms of TV radio, I think that would be 1546 01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:02.800 tough to ever compare it to stuff like it has 1547 01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:04.800 with the NFL and things like that, but it is healthy. 1548 01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:07.439 There is attraction to the stars of the game right now. 1549 01:18:07.439 --> 01:18:10.560 There is attraction to the fact that they improve the 1550 01:18:10.560 --> 01:18:15.359 timing of the game with the clock rules now and 1551 01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:17.840 you can't throw over a first one hundred and fifty times, 1552 01:18:18.359 --> 01:18:21.159 and like now the game moves a lot better and 1553 01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:24.159 it's actually more enjoyable as a broadcaster. There's some tempo 1554 01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:26.560 now to the game and some feel, which is great. 1555 01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:29.720 You've noticed that, Oh yes, it's glaring and I love it. 1556 01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:32.560 I love it a lot. So there's good to that. 1557 01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:35.840 But I do think it's healthy overall. And I think 1558 01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:39.399 obviously the revenues look terrific in terms of the engagement 1559 01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:42.880 and the attention to the game, But you just know 1560 01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:45.000 that it's not to the level of something like the 1561 01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:47.279 National Football League and some other major sports, and it's. 1562 01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:49.000 Just not and it doesn't it doesn't have to be. 1563 01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:51.760 It doesn't have to, you know, And on the landscape, 1564 01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:56.600 of the hierarchy. It's probably still three, right, it's probably football, basketball, 1565 01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:59.279 then baseball, maybe hockey's gained some in roads, and soccer 1566 01:18:59.319 --> 01:19:01.880 will probably all beyond the outside looking in in this country. 1567 01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:04.039 That's kind of where I've landed on it. Let me 1568 01:19:04.039 --> 01:19:06.159 ask you this, even though I've asked you this before, 1569 01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:08.960 as somebody who calls all these these games, says work 1570 01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:12.760 for the Millers and understands the sport and understands our market. 1571 01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:15.600 Are you confident that we'll support a Major League baseball 1572 01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:16.359 team should we get it? 1573 01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:20.479 Yeah, I am no, very confident because the same reason 1574 01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:24.479 why they supported the NHL, and the same exact reason 1575 01:19:24.479 --> 01:19:26.880 because I had a good friend of mine who's one 1576 01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:29.239 in Chicago and then another one lives in Long Island, 1577 01:19:29.319 --> 01:19:31.640 and he was like, it's not I've been out there. 1578 01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:33.560 It doesn't really feel like a hockey city. 1579 01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:35.279 I said, it's not. I'm not gonna lie to you 1580 01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:37.399 and be like, this is a hockey town. No, it's not. 1581 01:19:37.960 --> 01:19:38.279 It's not. 1582 01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:41.239 People were learning the game as the season went along, 1583 01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:42.840 by the way. It doesn't make them less of a fan, 1584 01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:45.199 doesn't make them not intelligence. Yeah, it's just this is 1585 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:47.439 not a place where kids played a lot of hockey. 1586 01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:49.520 We can just call it like it is. But they 1587 01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:51.279 supported it because it was their team. 1588 01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:54.520 They love events and they they are totally engaged with 1589 01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:57.359 this community. So I knew the moment the NHL came in, 1590 01:19:57.399 --> 01:19:59.239 I was like, oh, yeah, they they'll totally get behind 1591 01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:02.239 that team. And then as it turned out, they did, 1592 01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:04.600 And I thought it was great with the way that 1593 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:06.439 people were able to just say like, oh, okay, I'm 1594 01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:08.640 learning about this part of the game. And you know what, 1595 01:20:09.399 --> 01:20:12.359 Nat was never a hockey fan, toughter offsides icy in 1596 01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:16.159 just like that. Loved it big Blackhawks fand went to 1597 01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:18.239 more Blackhawks games than any other team in the city. 1598 01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:18.880 It was awesome. 1599 01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:21.199 But for a lot of people here that can be 1600 01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:24.159 the same thing, and it's another great enjoyable experience. There's 1601 01:20:24.159 --> 01:20:26.720 the other thing. It would own the summer. It would 1602 01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:30.079 absolutely own the summer. So would it sell out every 1603 01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:31.960 game like you would say the NHL, Well, no, you 1604 01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:32.560 have eighty one. 1605 01:20:32.720 --> 01:20:36.119 Nobody sells out everybody Baseball Like that's I. 1606 01:20:36.079 --> 01:20:38.039 Love it when people are like, I could see them 1607 01:20:38.079 --> 01:20:39.640 having a tough time selling out every game. 1608 01:20:39.680 --> 01:20:40.279 Nobody does. 1609 01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:43.640 Well, yes, and nobody does, and so you get two 1610 01:20:43.720 --> 01:20:44.720 months of dicey weather. 1611 01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:46.439 You've got a lot of games. 1612 01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:48.800 But I do think you would see a ton of 1613 01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:51.399 great energy and passion towards it, like you were seeing 1614 01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:56.279 energy and passion towards now the the Utah Mammoth so. 1615 01:20:56.560 --> 01:20:59.439 And summer night's here rule I mean amazing, you know, Like, 1616 01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:02.039 that's one of the things I love about the soccer experience. 1617 01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:05.239 And I tease those guys over there because they're always like, hey, 1618 01:21:05.279 --> 01:21:06.720 you coming to the game I'm like, is it seventy 1619 01:21:06.760 --> 01:21:09.359 five degrees yet, because I'm not coming until it's warm, 1620 01:21:09.880 --> 01:21:12.520 because I'm not sitting outside in cold weather. But a 1621 01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:16.920 warm Utah summer night out at America First Field, even 1622 01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:19.439 if you're not a soccer fan, you will enjoy the experience. 1623 01:21:19.880 --> 01:21:21.600 And you don't have to be a baseball fan to 1624 01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:24.119 go sit outside. You talked about the sunsets at the 1625 01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:26.800 new ballpark last time. Grab a hot dog and a 1626 01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:29.199 pop whatever your thing is, and just enjoy the experience. 1627 01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:31.920 One more thing here and then we'll talk about what 1628 01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:34.720 you guys have coming up. So Rob Manfred has said 1629 01:21:35.239 --> 01:21:38.840 we are not expanding until the new CBA expires. The 1630 01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:42.079 good news is that's next year. Yes, So December first, 1631 01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:45.720 twenty twenty six, the new CBA and Major League Baseball expires, 1632 01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:48.760 and then we'll see what they do as far as 1633 01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:51.720 expansion on the rise, and we know the cities, Nashville, Portland, 1634 01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:56.079 the usual suspects. There's always the possibility of the Arizona 1635 01:21:56.119 --> 01:21:58.800 Coyotes being owned by an idiot and needing a new 1636 01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:02.279 home and suddenly saw as hockey. There's the Tampa Bay 1637 01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:04.760 stuff that's out there. The A's look like they're going 1638 01:22:04.800 --> 01:22:08.760 to Vegas, although that's not done. What's your understanding about 1639 01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:11.079 where we're at in the process of getting baseball here 1640 01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:11.680 to our market. 1641 01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:13.439 Yeah, I'm not being a homer with this leader in 1642 01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:16.840 the clubhouse. Leader in the clubhouse. And by the way, 1643 01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:19.399 you know, there's a ton of variables that come with 1644 01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:21.680 stuff like this over time, so things can always change. 1645 01:22:21.680 --> 01:22:23.720 But I think they're the leader in the clubhouse because 1646 01:22:23.760 --> 01:22:26.159 all the circus, all the nonsense is out of the way. 1647 01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:29.520 If you're going to expand, it is the place because 1648 01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:32.279 you have the ownership, you have alignment with where they're 1649 01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:35.560 going to have the stadium, all of the details on 1650 01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:37.760 how they're going to fund it, all the nonsense, all 1651 01:22:37.760 --> 01:22:41.199 the headaches, all the forty seven chain emails and the 1652 01:22:41.239 --> 01:22:43.239 hour and a half long meetings bureaucracy. 1653 01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:45.760 Yeah, oh my gosh, the last minute. 1654 01:22:45.880 --> 01:22:49.159 Oh crap, Hey, by the ways, all that stuff gone, 1655 01:22:49.600 --> 01:22:53.039 and there is something too, having already put so many 1656 01:22:53.119 --> 01:22:56.000 other plans in place to then let this be a 1657 01:22:56.159 --> 01:22:59.199 smooth landing, as smooth as you can have. 1658 01:22:59.279 --> 01:22:59.920 Sure. Sure. 1659 01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:01.560 Now the other thing I try to tell people too, 1660 01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:03.000 because they well, how long do you think it would take? 1661 01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:05.439 And I'm like, well, you got to remember when Tampa 1662 01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:08.560 and Arizona had their expansion teams, it was four years later. 1663 01:23:08.560 --> 01:23:10.800 They had opening day, four years when it was like 1664 01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:12.880 if I remember it was announced, it was like four 1665 01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:13.399 years later. 1666 01:23:13.760 --> 01:23:15.039 That's so that's a gap. 1667 01:23:15.079 --> 01:23:17.720 So it would have to be hey, we're expanding, Hey, 1668 01:23:17.760 --> 01:23:19.560 this is where we're doing it. I don't know if 1669 01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:21.560 it would be four years, but that's what it was 1670 01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:24.800 back then, So that takes some time. The other thing 1671 01:23:24.880 --> 01:23:27.399 is if you expand, so people look at what happened 1672 01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:31.600 with Ryan Smith and the Utah Mammoth. Now, great work 1673 01:23:31.640 --> 01:23:34.279 to quickly turn it around, I mean, amazing, like they 1674 01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:36.119 deserve it's on a credit for that. It was also 1675 01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:39.119 easier that it was a purchased team right, because now 1676 01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:42.800 everything expans. It's not straight turnkey, but a lot of 1677 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:45.560 things are done in this situation. Where are your minor 1678 01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:49.079 league affiliates? Where's your spring training facility? Where I mean 1679 01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:52.439 there's I mean the stadium. Obviously there's a ton of 1680 01:23:52.520 --> 01:23:55.640 things that all come into play with an expansion team, 1681 01:23:55.640 --> 01:23:55.960 So all. 1682 01:23:55.880 --> 01:23:57.560 Right to them before you catch a break. The Solid 1683 01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:00.560 B's and Miller Sports and Entertainment invite all to celebrate 1684 01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:03.520 the grand opening of the Salt Lake Bees team Store 1685 01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:06.840 the ballpark at America First Square. This is tomorrow, May 1686 01:24:06.920 --> 01:24:10.119 the twentieth, one one one South Ballpark Drive. 1687 01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:13.319 First of all, great address, easy to fide. It's my 1688 01:24:13.359 --> 01:24:15.760 mom's pass code for her phone, so she can't forget. 1689 01:24:15.800 --> 01:24:19.000 You know, I probably should not say my father's cell 1690 01:24:19.039 --> 01:24:23.239 phone on air, but it is amazingly easy. New merch, 1691 01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:26.279 great deals and more. Beesteam store dot com. Tell me 1692 01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:27.319 what do you want our listeners to know? 1693 01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:29.880 Oh man, I'll tell you what. Like I love with 1694 01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:31.920 what they're gonna have with this new team store. Obviously 1695 01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:34.399 the new gear and all of that, but the varieties 1696 01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:36.079 of the new gear, you know, a ton of different 1697 01:24:36.079 --> 01:24:39.279 stuff from a great women's apparel, you're gonna love it. 1698 01:24:39.319 --> 01:24:41.199 For Like, I'm wearing this polo and this is what 1699 01:24:41.319 --> 01:24:41.760 the old gear. 1700 01:24:41.800 --> 01:24:43.640 I haven't looked on a new one as well, But 1701 01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:45.600 then all the different hats that's what I like too. 1702 01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:47.439 So I don't know about you. I was never a 1703 01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:50.399 flat bild guy. I just didn't look good in a 1704 01:24:50.399 --> 01:24:53.000 flat bill hat. I looked like a train conductor. I 1705 01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:55.600 didn't look like a cool train conductor. I looked like 1706 01:24:55.640 --> 01:24:58.159 a weirdo train conduct So I think there's a natural 1707 01:24:58.279 --> 01:24:59.239 expiration date. 1708 01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:01.520 Like I was a flat brim guy when I was younger, 1709 01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:04.920 But whenever I see any dude that's over thirty five, 1710 01:25:05.039 --> 01:25:07.279 like wearing a flat brim hat, I'm like, bro, give 1711 01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:09.279 it up, Like it's not a good look. I don't 1712 01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:11.039 have a problem with it. It's just that I don't 1713 01:25:11.079 --> 01:25:12.840 have a problem. I don't look good in it. I 1714 01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:16.600 just don't look like. You have a smaller face. Yes, 1715 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:18.840 you need a big jawline to look good in a 1716 01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:19.319 flat priam. 1717 01:25:19.439 --> 01:25:22.520 Yeah, apparently you gotta have a big fat face or something, and. 1718 01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:24.199 You need to be younger than thirty five. 1719 01:25:24.960 --> 01:25:26.680 All I know is every time I put one on, 1720 01:25:26.760 --> 01:25:29.279 I was like this just does not look good. So 1721 01:25:29.560 --> 01:25:31.960 nice curve bill hat. I like the forty seven series, 1722 01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:34.279 all that stuff they have it. It looks great. So 1723 01:25:34.319 --> 01:25:36.000 I always say it. If you need it, they've got it. 1724 01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:37.680 If you don't need it, they've got it. 1725 01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:39.039 So go get it. There you go, the best Team 1726 01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:41.520 Store come out out tomorrow, grand opening the Be's Team 1727 01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:44.640 Store at a new ballpark at America First Square. All right, 1728 01:25:44.720 --> 01:25:47.439 Tony stops about it. Courtesy of our friends at Cortland Roofing. 1729 01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:50.199 They're re roofing and roof repair experts with over twenty 1730 01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:54.159 years of experience. They're family owned and operated called Cortland Roofing. 1731 01:25:54.199 --> 01:25:56.720 Today they've got this great offer. So if you feel 1732 01:25:56.720 --> 01:25:58.600 like you're in the in the market now for a 1733 01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:01.680 roof replacement, give them a call right away. 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That's eight oh one six 1743 01:26:25.199 --> 01:26:28.239 one five five five six zero eight oh one six 1744 01:26:28.359 --> 01:26:31.920 one five five five six zero or online at Cortland 1745 01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:33.119 roofing dot com. 1746 01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:36.720 Last night they put together that terrific performance with four 1747 01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:37.760 total strikeouts. 1748 01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:40.079 This is launched high in deep to Ripe by Daniel. 1749 01:26:39.880 --> 01:26:43.039 Johnson, going back as gavanas at the Wall Lapside and 1750 01:26:43.119 --> 01:26:45.600 he brought it back Hey rocking. 1751 01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:49.439 On the short sidewall over by the right Bill pull Man, 1752 01:26:49.920 --> 01:26:53.600 Candy tucking Away. Tonty Parks is live in studio, good 1753 01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:56.920 enough to join us two weeks in a row. Easton Folster, 1754 01:26:56.960 --> 01:27:00.000 who's the executive director of the UGA, will join us 1755 01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:02.640 in a little bit. Scottie Scheffler was with his third major. 1756 01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:06.520 Easton has requested space to talk about the Knicks because 1757 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:08.199 even though he's a local guy, he's a fan of 1758 01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:10.399 the New York Knicks. But we will talk little golf. 1759 01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:15.520 Tony fi And now finishes nineteen, tied for the nineteen 1760 01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:18.159 over the weekend and takes on him an extra two 1761 01:27:18.199 --> 01:27:20.800 hundred k. Must be nice to finish nineteenth and something 1762 01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:25.039 and make two hundred thousand dollars. Let's get Tony's mic on, right, Yeah, 1763 01:27:25.039 --> 01:27:26.479 that's all you got to do. Top I want to 1764 01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:27.520 do top twenty two. 1765 01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:29.479 Hundred k and be like, you know, I'm not the best, 1766 01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:30.560 but I'm not the worst. 1767 01:27:31.279 --> 01:27:33.479 I made two hundred thousand dollars. That's a good weekend, 1768 01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:36.319 a great week top twenty at a major. So have you 1769 01:27:36.359 --> 01:27:38.279 had a chance to meet Tony just the nicest kid. 1770 01:27:38.399 --> 01:27:40.159 Yeah, I've crossed passed it a little bit. He and 1771 01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:42.560 I know a lot of the same people. Huh right, crazy, Yeah, 1772 01:27:42.600 --> 01:27:45.680 but no, I've never really gotten to know him, but 1773 01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:48.600 I know of him, and we've been around each other before. 1774 01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:50.840 We know who each other are. If you will, Although 1775 01:27:50.840 --> 01:27:53.760 he who Tony Parks, is that the voice of the Bees? 1776 01:27:54.960 --> 01:27:56.800 I'm sure tell the guy who did the produce race 1777 01:27:56.840 --> 01:28:00.239 all those years, Tony probably came out to a game 1778 01:28:00.279 --> 01:28:02.000 or two of the ballpark, I would imagine, Oh ye, 1779 01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:06.199 but obviously he had that great connection with Ron McBride. Yeah. 1780 01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:09.319 So it just good people that know good people and 1781 01:28:09.319 --> 01:28:11.520 and yeah so I but I've always been a huge 1782 01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:13.279 fan of them, always rooted them on. 1783 01:28:13.720 --> 01:28:15.199 Do you play golf? I don't know this about you. 1784 01:28:15.239 --> 01:28:16.119 Do you ever play any golf? 1785 01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:19.479 Do you watch at it? Don't watch it so much. 1786 01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:22.359 I've got so much going on, but like I track it. 1787 01:28:22.399 --> 01:28:23.880 I keep an eye on it. Yeah, yeah, I like 1788 01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:26.960 to follow it. And then to me, it's always about 1789 01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:28.800 the who you know. You and I always had such 1790 01:28:28.840 --> 01:28:32.560 odd schedules, so we never golf together, and even when 1791 01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:35.039 we were at the tournaments or whatever like, we would 1792 01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:37.159 be offset on the timing that we're in the air. 1793 01:28:37.840 --> 01:28:39.640 So but yeah, you'd be the kind of guy. I'm 1794 01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:41.359 not just being nice. You'd be fun of golf. Would 1795 01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:44.439 just hang out, talk with for eighteen holes and joke 1796 01:28:44.479 --> 01:28:46.960 about Britton Johnson for at least three of. 1797 01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:49.159 Oh, we can do that even if we're not playing golf. 1798 01:28:49.319 --> 01:28:52.439 I will tell you thank you. First of all, I 1799 01:28:52.439 --> 01:28:54.039 think I'm a good time on the golf course. 1800 01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:54.319 Yeah. 1801 01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:58.039 Absolutely. If I'm not playing well, I tend to be 1802 01:28:59.439 --> 01:29:03.439 a little ground. I have changed my view. First of all, 1803 01:29:03.439 --> 01:29:05.840 there's an economic factor that comes into play if you're 1804 01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:08.520 breaking golf clubs left and right. So my goal this 1805 01:29:08.640 --> 01:29:11.000 year and I've told my buddies, so I played golf 1806 01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:14.800 with the over under for broken clubs is one point five, 1807 01:29:15.920 --> 01:29:18.000 so I'm going to give myself grace to maybe break 1808 01:29:18.039 --> 01:29:20.439 a club. My goal is to just not break more 1809 01:29:20.479 --> 01:29:23.279 than one. And so far it's only May. I have 1810 01:29:23.359 --> 01:29:27.119 not broken a golf club yet. But as I started, look, 1811 01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:32.960 I am an aging competitor trying to understand my real 1812 01:29:33.039 --> 01:29:35.880 lot in life. There's no reason to get competitive when 1813 01:29:35.880 --> 01:29:37.920 you're play Monopoly with your eight year old nephew. You 1814 01:29:37.920 --> 01:29:41.000 don't need to throw the board. Okay, that's dumb, and 1815 01:29:41.399 --> 01:29:44.079 you're out there to have fun. So I'm just trying 1816 01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:47.680 to enjoy the journey instead of getting frustrated if I 1817 01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:50.720 don't play well. But once I started really hounding in 1818 01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:53.960 on golf and like, this is fun. I love the challenge, 1819 01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:55.880 and I started getting better. I bought new clubs, took 1820 01:29:55.920 --> 01:29:59.399 some lessons. When that endeavor wouldn't pay off, and I 1821 01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:01.119 would have one those rounds where I'm like, have you 1822 01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:04.760 ever done this before? Clubs would fly and I've definitely 1823 01:30:04.840 --> 01:30:07.239 not a good time when that happens. But I am learning, Tony. 1824 01:30:07.279 --> 01:30:09.159 I'm trying to evolve and be better and kind of 1825 01:30:09.239 --> 01:30:12.560 keep the tantrums to a minimum. I uh, yeah for me. 1826 01:30:13.039 --> 01:30:14.960 So here's where it happens. You know you're not good. 1827 01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:16.880 You go out there, Hey, you're having a good time. 1828 01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:19.439 You know it's all good. Then you actually start to improve. 1829 01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:21.960 Then you actually see like wait, I'm stratten that out, 1830 01:30:22.199 --> 01:30:24.560 like I've I've kind of got that down. Then you 1831 01:30:24.680 --> 01:30:27.399 sit there and waste thirty five minutes in a conversation 1832 01:30:27.479 --> 01:30:30.920 with the buddy talking about how you dropped one perfectly 1833 01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:35.079 on the pool table on six at Nibley or whatever, 1834 01:30:35.199 --> 01:30:37.680 you know, whatever your story is. And then I'm going 1835 01:30:37.720 --> 01:30:39.600 and that was thirty five minutes. I'm not getting back, 1836 01:30:39.640 --> 01:30:41.840 and I really obsessed about that more than I should have. 1837 01:30:42.239 --> 01:30:46.640 And then I go out there and start perceivingly regressing. 1838 01:30:47.159 --> 01:30:50.640 And then I started feeling myself get frustrated. I was like, don't, yep, 1839 01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:52.479 don't not worth it. You don't have the money to 1840 01:30:52.560 --> 01:30:54.960 keep up with this game anyway, Like don't, just don't 1841 01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:57.039 because I don't want to spend the money to get 1842 01:30:57.039 --> 01:30:57.920 the let I just don't. 1843 01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:00.920 Yeah no. And it's a big time crunch, I mean, 1844 01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:04.479 excuse me. It's very time consuming. So it asks a 1845 01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:07.399 lot of your time, it asks a lot of your paycheck. 1846 01:31:07.439 --> 01:31:10.079 It's not a cheap thing to do. But yeah, as 1847 01:31:10.079 --> 01:31:11.640 you start to get a little bit better. The other 1848 01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:15.359 weird thing is there'll be a round where something clicks 1849 01:31:15.359 --> 01:31:17.039 in your head where you're like, I've got to pull 1850 01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:18.600 down with my left I've got to get my left 1851 01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:20.720 hip out of the way. And then you're like, okay, 1852 01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:23.560 I'm doing that and it's working. And then the next 1853 01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:25.399 round you show up and you're like, okay, pull down 1854 01:31:25.399 --> 01:31:27.000 with your left, get your left hip out of the way, 1855 01:31:27.039 --> 01:31:29.439 get the shoulder or turn, and none of that works, 1856 01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:31.800 and you're like, Okay, I've got to recalibrate and figure 1857 01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:34.199 out what I have to do today, even though what 1858 01:31:34.239 --> 01:31:36.520 I had to do last week does, it's not working anymore. 1859 01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:40.119 Because and that, honestly is what is addicted me to 1860 01:31:40.159 --> 01:31:43.000 the sport, right, the mental challenge. And I didn't have 1861 01:31:43.079 --> 01:31:46.760 really a competitive outlet because I last played competitive basketball 1862 01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:48.680 in my twenties. I broke my leg. I'm like, I'm 1863 01:31:48.680 --> 01:31:51.239 not doing this anymore. So I was like looking for 1864 01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:53.880 a competitive outlet, and that's what golf is kind of okay, 1865 01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:56.279 has been for me. So here's what I love about 1866 01:31:56.439 --> 01:31:57.439 play by play. 1867 01:31:57.239 --> 01:32:00.399 Every day is that's what it is for me, Like 1868 01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:03.039 I compete with myself like I have a vision and 1869 01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:03.880 I have preparation. 1870 01:32:03.960 --> 01:32:05.840 I have everything that you know, fundamentals. 1871 01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:12.359 I love the art of constantly an effortless or with 1872 01:32:12.439 --> 01:32:16.840 an unquenchable thirst to improve and to just minimize the 1873 01:32:17.119 --> 01:32:19.079 distance between where I am and where I want to 1874 01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:22.000 be more and more every day. To me, there is 1875 01:32:22.119 --> 01:32:24.640 nothing like that. You wake up with that fire, you 1876 01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:27.399 feel that fire, and then you you know, let's say, 1877 01:32:27.479 --> 01:32:28.920 let's say you had a good day with it like 1878 01:32:28.960 --> 01:32:29.800 you would on the golf course. 1879 01:32:29.840 --> 01:32:31.359 You have a good day. Cool thing is you got 1880 01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:32.279 another game tomorrow. 1881 01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:35.000 Let's say you know, didn't go quite as well as 1882 01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:36.880 you thought and for whatever reason, just didn't feel right, 1883 01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:39.119 didn't deliver it right. I don't know whatever. You know what, 1884 01:32:39.439 --> 01:32:42.439 got another game tomorrow? And I love that about play 1885 01:32:42.439 --> 01:32:42.840 by play. 1886 01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:45.479 But if you mispronounce your name, you're not breaking your microphone. No, 1887 01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:47.960 I'm not taking off the headside. Do you miss a call? 1888 01:32:48.039 --> 01:32:51.760 And you're not breaking your equipment? What's the you know what? 1889 01:32:51.920 --> 01:32:53.920 This is a dangerous question. Whatever I would say. It's 1890 01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:56.600 a Monday. Let's just get asked, like, have you ever 1891 01:32:56.640 --> 01:33:02.640 witnessed a local broadcaster melt down? Yes? You feel like 1892 01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:04.880 you can share it. No, I didn't think so that's 1893 01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:06.760 why it was a dangerous question. Ask no, it is 1894 01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:09.119 trying to see. 1895 01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:13.680 The toughest one was where somebody would be upset and 1896 01:33:13.720 --> 01:33:16.640 you could actually understand why they're upset, And then other 1897 01:33:16.760 --> 01:33:20.800 times it was like, no, you're you're taking it out 1898 01:33:20.840 --> 01:33:25.880 on this person and you're justifying your behavior. The hardest 1899 01:33:25.880 --> 01:33:28.920 part I think in this industry was me saying, you've 1900 01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:30.000 explained your behavior. 1901 01:33:30.439 --> 01:33:32.239 Are you excusing your behavior? 1902 01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:33.479 Well no, but. 1903 01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:39.279 Yeah, okay, so you are excusing your behavior, right, yeah, 1904 01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:42.920 because if anybody ever treated you like that, you would 1905 01:33:42.920 --> 01:33:45.760 cry in a corner for three months. And okay, right, 1906 01:33:46.359 --> 01:33:49.920 so you chose to treat them like that because they're 1907 01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:53.399 them and you're you, and you knew these people over 1908 01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:58.520 here don't have the courage to in any way rectify that. 1909 01:33:59.079 --> 01:34:02.159 Have a slight inklean that I know who you're talking about. 1910 01:34:02.239 --> 01:34:06.079 And just watching the defensiveness, watching the and then watching 1911 01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:10.239 the fear based proposition, it's like, don't, don't, don't, don't 1912 01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:13.399 like but you know what you did. It's just because 1913 01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:16.279 I care so much. No, No, that's. 1914 01:34:16.079 --> 01:34:18.720 Not it passion's behavior. 1915 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:22.439 You're telling a truth to mask the truth. So let's 1916 01:34:22.439 --> 01:34:25.399 talk about the truth. And that was always like yeah, 1917 01:34:25.479 --> 01:34:27.359 that was always a tough one. But no, but there 1918 01:34:27.359 --> 01:34:29.319 were times where people would be frustrated or mad and 1919 01:34:29.319 --> 01:34:31.840 they're just mad about the situation and I'm like, yeah, 1920 01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:34.439 I'm like no, no, hey, you know, like you care, 1921 01:34:34.880 --> 01:34:38.479 you're into it. It matters to you. And in those situations, 1922 01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:40.640 I was always like, great, you know what I mean? 1923 01:34:40.680 --> 01:34:42.840 Like that to me, like if a golfer's upset is 1924 01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:46.560 mad about the situation, fine, But if somebody's competing and 1925 01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:50.439 they're you know, completely a detriment to the to other 1926 01:34:50.520 --> 01:34:52.920 people and things like that and then justifying it and 1927 01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:55.000 then couching it is but we're still a team, and 1928 01:34:55.079 --> 01:34:58.840 no you're not. And you're successful in spite of that behavior, 1929 01:34:58.920 --> 01:35:00.800 not because of the like. 1930 01:35:00.840 --> 01:35:02.359 I always get a kick, what I hear? Like, No, 1931 01:35:02.920 --> 01:35:06.319 it's just he's just overly passionate. Oh so he's an ass, 1932 01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:10.560 that's what you're saying, Like you'll like Draymond Green's overly passionate. 1933 01:35:10.680 --> 01:35:12.600 Like I love Draymond as a player, but when he 1934 01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:16.600 when he when he crosses that line. Passion is not 1935 01:35:16.640 --> 01:35:19.079 an excuse for poor behavior. Well, it's it's like Okay, uh, 1936 01:35:19.439 --> 01:35:22.880 Michael Jordan slaps Steve Kerr. Right, guess what Michael Jordan 1937 01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:28.119 did owned it? Yeah, he owned it. And Phil Jackson 1938 01:35:28.520 --> 01:35:31.199 also there was like accountability to it. Right. 1939 01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:35.439 So to me, you're going to have emotions, boiler, you're 1940 01:35:35.439 --> 01:35:38.079 going to the big thing is do you take responsibility 1941 01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:41.279 when it happens? And do you and then you you 1942 01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:45.600 have a commitment to improved successful behavior going forward? 1943 01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:46.039 Right, Right. 1944 01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:48.760 So everybody's always like whenever the well, they'll they'll show 1945 01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:50.359 a coach meltdown on a player and they'll be like. 1946 01:35:50.399 --> 01:35:53.800 Hey, is this good coaching or is this abuse? I'm like, 1947 01:35:54.319 --> 01:35:55.720 is there trust between the two? 1948 01:35:56.279 --> 01:35:58.520 Because if there's trust between the two, now it's coaching 1949 01:35:59.159 --> 01:36:02.439 because the players you care about them, and that's why 1950 01:36:02.439 --> 01:36:04.319 you're also upset because you care about them. 1951 01:36:04.560 --> 01:36:07.079 Now there's belief here. Yeah, But if they. 1952 01:36:06.920 --> 01:36:09.039 Don't think you care about them, then they think you're 1953 01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:11.239 just putting on a show. Then they know that you're 1954 01:36:11.279 --> 01:36:14.279 just acting out of line. Now what you're doing is 1955 01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:16.520 actually a detriment to the team rather than a benefit. 1956 01:36:16.640 --> 01:36:19.439 Yeah, so there you go. No, I got you all right, Tony. 1957 01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:22.279 When you last joined us, it was last Monday when 1958 01:36:22.439 --> 01:36:26.800 hope was prevalent in the market. That last Monday night, 1959 01:36:26.920 --> 01:36:29.039 we were all going to be gathered around our televisions 1960 01:36:29.119 --> 01:36:31.359 or our radios because we had a live on ESPN 1961 01:36:31.399 --> 01:36:34.920 seven hundred to listen to Mark Tatum revealed that the 1962 01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:37.600 Utah Jazz were going to draft number one overall, therefore 1963 01:36:37.720 --> 01:36:40.880 draft Cooper flag and therefore bring hope to a market 1964 01:36:40.880 --> 01:36:43.199 in a fan base that right now, if Ronest does 1965 01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:45.800 not have a lot of hope. Where were you and 1966 01:36:45.800 --> 01:36:48.239 what was your reaction when you heard that the Utah 1967 01:36:48.399 --> 01:36:52.399 Jazz were not drafting one or two or three or four, 1968 01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:56.439 but they had I hesitate to say they had fallen 1969 01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:59.319 to five right now, it was their floor. They couldn't 1970 01:36:59.359 --> 01:37:02.079 fall any further. But if you look at the numbers, 1971 01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:05.159 they were most likely to draft four or five. That's 1972 01:37:05.159 --> 01:37:07.319 what the percentage just said. Of course, the hope was won. 1973 01:37:08.079 --> 01:37:09.520 Where were you when you heard the news and what 1974 01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:12.640 was your reaction? Was in my wife's salon. 1975 01:37:12.720 --> 01:37:15.359 We still have a salon in our place here, and 1976 01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:17.600 I was getting a beard trim, and I was sitting 1977 01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:21.880 there and my phone on the yes on the ESPN 1978 01:37:21.960 --> 01:37:24.479 seven hundred app, I had it sitting there and as 1979 01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:28.560 I was sitting there watching the TV was on, but 1980 01:37:28.680 --> 01:37:30.039 it's on delay and all that stuff. 1981 01:37:30.079 --> 01:37:31.319 Anyway, as I'm sitting. 1982 01:37:31.079 --> 01:37:35.159 There and I hear on the the app the Utah Jazz, 1983 01:37:35.239 --> 01:37:37.840 and I just went WHOA. And I didn't say well, 1984 01:37:37.840 --> 01:37:40.760 because I was like, it was more that I knew 1985 01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:43.199 the reaction of the fan base knew I was. 1986 01:37:43.199 --> 01:37:45.800 Coming would be overwhelming, and local media members. 1987 01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:50.159 I knew it would be a massive blow up because 1988 01:37:50.479 --> 01:37:53.239 the Jazz in years passed let's say, like the Darren 1989 01:37:53.279 --> 01:37:55.720 Williams thing, or when they fell to six and then 1990 01:37:55.720 --> 01:37:58.279 they traded. Yeah, but when they fell to six, they 1991 01:37:58.319 --> 01:38:00.319 weren't trying to get the one. I mean they were 1992 01:38:00.439 --> 01:38:02.760 you know, they just weren't dealing with a great team. 1993 01:38:02.800 --> 01:38:04.399 So I was like, all right, this is the one time, 1994 01:38:04.439 --> 01:38:06.760 oh you fell, that's unfortunate. But they moved up to three, 1995 01:38:06.800 --> 01:38:10.079 they traded whatever. In this situation, they were going all 1996 01:38:10.119 --> 01:38:12.079 out for the whole thing. I mean that this was 1997 01:38:12.159 --> 01:38:15.560 the objective here. And so when they went to fifth, 1998 01:38:15.800 --> 01:38:19.720 I knew there would be a reaction of disappointment, a 1999 01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:23.520 reaction to people being upset. Where I just always shake 2000 01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:25.720 my head and roll my eyes is the this is rigged, 2001 01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:27.079 this is fixed. 2002 01:38:27.279 --> 01:38:28.439 This whole thing is this and that. 2003 01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:30.359 And I thought, man, way too many years agoing by 2004 01:38:30.399 --> 01:38:32.039 with the Knicks not being the number one pick, way 2005 01:38:32.039 --> 01:38:35.479 too many things have happened where teams who have no 2006 01:38:35.680 --> 01:38:37.640 benefit to the league to have the number one pick. 2007 01:38:37.680 --> 01:38:38.680 I've had the number one pick. 2008 01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:41.239 I can make far more of an argument that if 2009 01:38:41.239 --> 01:38:43.880 the league's rigging this, they're doing a really bad job. 2010 01:38:43.960 --> 01:38:44.159 Yeah. 2011 01:38:44.479 --> 01:38:48.159 Yeah, Now that's not to say that there haven't been 2012 01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:50.760 some things where you kind of go, all right, Lebron 2013 01:38:50.840 --> 01:38:55.119 leaves Cleveland, they get one, Chris Paul leaves New Orleans, 2014 01:38:55.199 --> 01:38:58.760 they get one, And honestly, look, I think it's intellectually 2015 01:38:58.800 --> 01:39:02.239 embarrassing to discuss the potential of what is literally called 2016 01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:05.760 a lottery to be rigged. Like if you've ever been 2017 01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:08.399 in any sort of drawing, you know the deal, You 2018 01:39:08.399 --> 01:39:10.199 get your a little ticket, you hang out, you're like, 2019 01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:13.680 maybe I'll win this, and then the drawing takes place 2020 01:39:13.720 --> 01:39:16.039 and your ticket number isn't called it's just bad luck. 2021 01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:19.119 It doesn't mean it's fixed. So I have no space 2022 01:39:19.159 --> 01:39:21.479 for any of that. I think the one thing that 2023 01:39:21.600 --> 01:39:25.960 led to this outcry wasn't necessarily the Jazz falling to five. 2024 01:39:26.800 --> 01:39:28.960 I think it was Dallas getting one after they moved 2025 01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:31.159 on from Luca, and so I think a lot of 2026 01:39:31.199 --> 01:39:34.439 people were drawn the line like, hey, keep the Lakers relevant, 2027 01:39:35.079 --> 01:39:37.760 trade Luke at LA and we'll take care of you. Now, 2028 01:39:37.800 --> 01:39:41.479 that's also dumb. But I do think one of the 2029 01:39:41.479 --> 01:39:44.800 things that stings if you're a Jazz fan, it's not 2030 01:39:44.920 --> 01:39:46.720 that you weren't able to get Luck to move up 2031 01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:50.079 and you're at five. I think it's your two of 2032 01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:54.359 your Western Conference peers. You're already far behind Oklahoma City. 2033 01:39:54.479 --> 01:39:58.640 You're already far behind Denver, Minnesota. I could keep going, 2034 01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:02.119 You're already far behind some many teams that have good 2035 01:40:02.159 --> 01:40:05.840 players now and mechanisms to add good players later. That 2036 01:40:05.960 --> 01:40:09.239 the fact that the Spurs are able to add the 2037 01:40:09.319 --> 01:40:11.880 Dylan Harper kid and the MAVs are able to add 2038 01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:15.439 Cooper Flag. It's two more Western Conference teams that now 2039 01:40:15.479 --> 01:40:17.720 you look at that and you say, we are light 2040 01:40:17.800 --> 01:40:20.319 years behind them as well. I think that that probably 2041 01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:22.479 adds to the sting. Well, I think it definitely does. 2042 01:40:22.600 --> 01:40:24.560 Like part of this has to be that you have 2043 01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:26.520 to look at yourselves and saying, you know, what, whatever 2044 01:40:26.600 --> 01:40:29.359 this process had been, it hasn't gone as well as 2045 01:40:29.399 --> 01:40:29.760 we want. 2046 01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:30.880 Even if you want. 2047 01:40:30.680 --> 01:40:32.920 To say, well the process, you know, the plan wasn't 2048 01:40:32.960 --> 01:40:35.439 to win yet and it's like I got it. But 2049 01:40:36.359 --> 01:40:40.239 while this process is put together, what has been the 2050 01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:43.039 most positive part of this process to me? 2051 01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:45.119 It's Will Hardy six year extension because I think he's 2052 01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:45.600 the right guy. 2053 01:40:47.119 --> 01:40:51.479 What what is it? There's no identity, there's no culture. Okay, okay, 2054 01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:54.159 you were planning on losing out, that's fine, but you haven't. 2055 01:40:54.880 --> 01:40:55.319 I haven't. 2056 01:40:55.520 --> 01:40:57.640 And somebody else can come on and be like I've 2057 01:40:57.640 --> 01:40:59.279 seen this from this guy and that from that guy. 2058 01:40:59.359 --> 01:41:02.600 I still well, I haven't seen enough yet. 2059 01:41:02.680 --> 01:41:04.279 It makes me go, you know what, that right there, 2060 01:41:04.399 --> 01:41:06.880 that here is going to move them this direction. I 2061 01:41:06.920 --> 01:41:09.239 remember in the Quinn years, in the early Quin years, 2062 01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:12.840 going okay, they got something here. They're big here, and 2063 01:41:12.920 --> 01:41:16.000 they're defensive oriented, and they've lost nine in a row, 2064 01:41:16.039 --> 01:41:18.279 but they have an identity and there's something moving this 2065 01:41:18.399 --> 01:41:22.399 direction now, okay, And in this current situation. 2066 01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:23.720 I'm not just trying to be critical. 2067 01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:26.560 I know they're doing it differently than Dennis and Quinn 2068 01:41:26.600 --> 01:41:29.199 and Kevin O'Connor back in the day. I'm not saying 2069 01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:30.760 do it the way they did it. I'm just saying 2070 01:41:30.800 --> 01:41:34.479 throughout all of this, hey, you've garnered a lot of assets. 2071 01:41:34.520 --> 01:41:37.239 I'll give you that, and you I think have the 2072 01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:40.720 right coach right mind. But now it's it's making everything 2073 01:41:40.720 --> 01:41:43.319 else come together. So when you did this to bet 2074 01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:46.119 on yourself that you were going to get it right now, 2075 01:41:46.159 --> 01:41:48.319 you got to put it to work and that might 2076 01:41:48.399 --> 01:41:51.199 mean moving up, and that might mean spending more than 2077 01:41:51.239 --> 01:41:53.399 you probably wanted to. If it's the guy that you 2078 01:41:53.439 --> 01:41:56.319 believe is going to turn this around. But you miss 2079 01:41:56.359 --> 01:41:59.079 on this pick, and you I mean, if you do, 2080 01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:01.439 if you Dante this thing, and I'm not saying they will, 2081 01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:06.520 but if you Dante ExHAM this thing, you prolong this process. 2082 01:42:06.720 --> 01:42:09.840 Yeah, the number one thing you have to do is draft. Well, 2083 01:42:09.880 --> 01:42:13.159 Bobby Mark is on earlier and he outlined it perfectly. 2084 01:42:13.960 --> 01:42:17.079 And here's the deal. And I hate to use this 2085 01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:19.920 team as an example because right now they are the 2086 01:42:19.920 --> 01:42:24.359 best example of roster construction under the new CBA, which 2087 01:42:24.399 --> 01:42:27.520 has allowed teams that play in cities pretty similar to 2088 01:42:27.560 --> 01:42:29.640 ours build up. Some really good teams are going to 2089 01:42:29.680 --> 01:42:32.199 be good now and be good for a long time. Now. 2090 01:42:32.279 --> 01:42:35.319 The one outlier can and This is why this exercise 2091 01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:38.439 is a little bit difficult, because you could look at Detroit, 2092 01:42:38.479 --> 01:42:41.560 you can look at Orlando, you can look at Oklahoma City, 2093 01:42:42.239 --> 01:42:44.319 you can look at some of the teams that are 2094 01:42:44.479 --> 01:42:47.640 in cities like ours, and we're in places like this 2095 01:42:47.800 --> 01:42:50.960 not too long ago, and try to draw parallels. But 2096 01:42:51.159 --> 01:42:56.439 the one failure with this exercise is Okaycshay. Detroit has 2097 01:42:56.560 --> 01:43:00.720 Kaid and Orlando as Pollo, and the Jazz don't have 2098 01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:03.079 that guy. I like Lowry. I like Lowry a lot. 2099 01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:05.600 He's not one of those guys. He is not a 2100 01:43:05.720 --> 01:43:11.199 franchise you know. He's not a franchise building block. He 2101 01:43:11.239 --> 01:43:14.840 can play really well for a really good team, and 2102 01:43:15.000 --> 01:43:16.760 the Jazz could trade him and he would start for 2103 01:43:16.960 --> 01:43:19.359 probably any team in the league, maybe not a fully 2104 01:43:19.399 --> 01:43:22.920 healthy Boston Celtic team. But you get my drift. So 2105 01:43:23.239 --> 01:43:26.039 where the Jazz have failed so far and where these 2106 01:43:26.039 --> 01:43:30.399 other teams have succeeded. Like Sam Presty turned Paul George 2107 01:43:30.399 --> 01:43:34.520 into Shame and other pieces and a bunch of draft capital, 2108 01:43:35.159 --> 01:43:38.520 the Jazz so far have not turned Donovan or Rudy 2109 01:43:38.840 --> 01:43:43.199 into a cornerstone. They turned Donovan into Lowry and some 2110 01:43:43.279 --> 01:43:46.199 other pieces. And some draft picks. Of course, they got 2111 01:43:46.239 --> 01:43:48.079 Walker and the Rudy deal, which is a nice piece. 2112 01:43:49.039 --> 01:43:51.279 But if you're going to move off of Donovan Mitchell 2113 01:43:51.279 --> 01:43:53.680 at twenty five, who's probably about to be named First 2114 01:43:53.680 --> 01:43:56.399 team All NBA, or Go Bar at twenty eight, who 2115 01:43:56.399 --> 01:43:58.039 loves Salt Lake and didn't want to leave, if you're 2116 01:43:58.039 --> 01:44:01.800 going to move off those franchise changing pieces, yes, among 2117 01:44:02.239 --> 01:44:05.000 the things you receive in return, whether it's a tangible 2118 01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:08.600 piece like Shay right away or a draft pick later on, 2119 01:44:08.680 --> 01:44:10.800 you have to find the guy that you can build around, 2120 01:44:10.800 --> 01:44:13.479 and they have not found that yet. So if you 2121 01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:16.199 can turn Paul George into Shea and then you have 2122 01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:18.880 some lean years with him as the cornerstone and you 2123 01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:21.720 can see that he is one of those dudes, then 2124 01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:23.760 all you have to do is draft right around him, 2125 01:44:23.840 --> 01:44:26.800 and then it gives you the ability, with some deals, 2126 01:44:27.079 --> 01:44:28.720 you know, to be able to bring in and as 2127 01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:33.399 Isaiah Hartenstein or an Alex Caruso who guarded Yokichen Game seven. 2128 01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:36.520 But they draft Chet, they draft Isaiah Joe, you know, 2129 01:44:36.600 --> 01:44:40.760 they bring in Casin Wallace, Aaron Wiggins, Kayalen Williams. They 2130 01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:43.279 knocked that one out of the park. So yes, Sam 2131 01:44:43.319 --> 01:44:46.640 Presty turned Paul George into shea, but he also has 2132 01:44:46.680 --> 01:44:49.359 this crazy hit rate on his draft picks. So the 2133 01:44:49.399 --> 01:44:52.920 problem with the Jazz isn't only that they haven't turned 2134 01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:57.279 Donovan Rudy into a star. It's there are legitimate questions 2135 01:44:57.319 --> 01:45:00.560 about Isaiah Collier and Keyante George. We need to see 2136 01:45:00.600 --> 01:45:04.840 Taylor Hendrick Selty and Cody Williams by all the analytics 2137 01:45:04.880 --> 01:45:09.000 just had a historically bad rookie year. So it's twofold, okay. 2138 01:45:09.039 --> 01:45:10.600 So if we look at all the teams that have 2139 01:45:10.680 --> 01:45:13.800 rebuilt and now we're in a position where they're playing 2140 01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:17.680 high level basketball in cities like ours, you've got to 2141 01:45:17.720 --> 01:45:20.479 start with ant. You have to start with she you 2142 01:45:20.520 --> 01:45:22.159 have to start with Cade, you have to start with 2143 01:45:22.199 --> 01:45:25.000 Polo and then build from the ground up. The Jazz 2144 01:45:25.000 --> 01:45:28.119 haven't been able to do that. Attendant to it, if 2145 01:45:28.159 --> 01:45:30.239 we're honest, they have not hit on their picks, Tony, No, 2146 01:45:30.399 --> 01:45:32.880 since Danny, you know, Danny kind of took over the reins, 2147 01:45:32.880 --> 01:45:33.399 they just haven't. 2148 01:45:33.439 --> 01:45:36.239 I had a Jazz fan asked me how's it the 2149 01:45:36.319 --> 01:45:41.520 Sacramento airport yesterday and ran into a couple different Salt 2150 01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:44.079 Lake residents but one of them was a Jazz fan 2151 01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:45.760 as well and was talking about the five pick and 2152 01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:48.000 this and that. What do you think And I just said, well, 2153 01:45:48.199 --> 01:45:53.239 they can catch up in terms of gaining ground from 2154 01:45:53.359 --> 01:45:56.600 where they have been up to this point. But when 2155 01:45:56.640 --> 01:46:01.439 they made the wholesale change three years ago, I thought, okay, no, 2156 01:46:01.600 --> 01:46:02.600 you're turning the page. 2157 01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:03.880 And I'm totally fine with that. 2158 01:46:05.039 --> 01:46:08.399 I would not have predicted that they've made what I 2159 01:46:08.439 --> 01:46:11.159 would consider very little to know forward progress. 2160 01:46:11.800 --> 01:46:14.000 So so for you to lose, that's one thing. But 2161 01:46:14.079 --> 01:46:16.960 I do not see a ton of forward progress. 2162 01:46:17.439 --> 01:46:20.520 And I know that we're supposed to be positive about 2163 01:46:20.560 --> 01:46:23.600 the Jazz and there are NBA team and no, I'm 2164 01:46:23.640 --> 01:46:24.920 just I'm going to be very honest. 2165 01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:26.079 I'm looking at it going. 2166 01:46:26.960 --> 01:46:28.640 I get that the plan wasn't to win, but I 2167 01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:30.800 don't see other things that tell me this is a 2168 01:46:30.920 --> 01:46:37.000 surging direction forward here, here and here. And when I 2169 01:46:37.039 --> 01:46:39.279 see that, I say, okay, you can gain ground on 2170 01:46:39.359 --> 01:46:42.920 that with hitting draft picks and all of that and 2171 01:46:43.039 --> 01:46:45.000 catch up from the distance that I thought you would 2172 01:46:45.000 --> 01:46:48.159 be at. But I am curious as to why. I'm 2173 01:46:48.199 --> 01:46:50.720 curious as to why three years I mean, there's there's 2174 01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:53.840 really nothing to show for this. We've got a ton 2175 01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:55.560 of assets. Yeah, I know, you've had them for a while. 2176 01:46:56.239 --> 01:46:58.039 You know, we've got great draftics. Yeah, I know this 2177 01:46:58.119 --> 01:47:00.319 isn't your you know, I know this is a really 2178 01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:03.520 good one. But you've had some nice picks here and 2179 01:47:03.920 --> 01:47:06.880 some selections to make up to that point. So you 2180 01:47:07.079 --> 01:47:12.159 have room, you have weapons, you have opportunity. And I 2181 01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:14.560 still think, and some people disagree with me on the 2182 01:47:14.600 --> 01:47:17.000 Will Hardy thing, I'm like, no, I think this guy's magnificent. 2183 01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:17.960 I do. 2184 01:47:18.119 --> 01:47:19.399 I think all of his principles. 2185 01:47:19.439 --> 01:47:22.640 I think the fact that he wildly overperformed with that 2186 01:47:22.920 --> 01:47:24.640 that team he had what three years ago and then 2187 01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:27.159 two years ago, I mean, that was amazing Spence. And 2188 01:47:27.199 --> 01:47:29.680 then they flushed out and said, Okay, we're gonna bottom out, 2189 01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:32.359 We're gonna do it this way. Okay, But now I 2190 01:47:32.359 --> 01:47:34.720 got to see something in that process that tells me, 2191 01:47:34.840 --> 01:47:39.159 here is the light, Here is the direction, Here is 2192 01:47:39.239 --> 01:47:40.279 the momentum. 2193 01:47:40.720 --> 01:47:42.439 You know, It's like anybody who's. 2194 01:47:42.199 --> 01:47:45.000 Gonna go to the gym or make a whole major 2195 01:47:45.119 --> 01:47:47.720 change in their life. People may not see it right away, 2196 01:47:47.960 --> 01:47:50.920 but you can feel and see the momentum that's around 2197 01:47:50.920 --> 01:47:56.439 you based on different decisions, you know, different opportunities, different habits. 2198 01:47:57.359 --> 01:47:59.520 They may see them under the surface. I'm just telling 2199 01:47:59.600 --> 01:48:01.760 them I don't see them. And I've watched as much 2200 01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:05.079 as I can. I don't see it. So I'm hoping 2201 01:48:05.479 --> 01:48:07.880 for them. Then in the near future this can be 2202 01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:10.479 turned around. You nail the five pick or you move 2203 01:48:10.560 --> 01:48:12.640 up and you nail the pick and then you start 2204 01:48:12.680 --> 01:48:15.159 really seeing some surge go in the right direction. 2205 01:48:15.359 --> 01:48:18.159 Yeah, And as far as just simply being positive and 2206 01:48:18.319 --> 01:48:20.960 believing the messages that are propably, you know, it's just 2207 01:48:21.039 --> 01:48:24.760 propaganda coming out of the organization, and you know, like 2208 01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:29.359 I can't roll that way. I can't just call something 2209 01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:33.399 other than what I see. And yes, the organization wants 2210 01:48:33.439 --> 01:48:35.920 you to believe that the rebuild is on track. And yes, 2211 01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:38.239 at times they plan a story where it's like, oh, hey, 2212 01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:41.159 just so you know, we haven't been rebuilding. We've been 2213 01:48:41.199 --> 01:48:44.640 tearing down for three years and now we're rebuilding. That's 2214 01:48:44.640 --> 01:48:47.000 so insulting, Like, no, you started the rebuild when you 2215 01:48:47.039 --> 01:48:50.479 traded away two stars in their prime and a really 2216 01:48:50.560 --> 01:48:53.239 good coach left and a really good roster constructor left. 2217 01:48:53.319 --> 01:48:56.600 That's when the rebuild started. The clock started three years ago, 2218 01:48:56.720 --> 01:49:00.399 not now. Okay, So you can't just prop the gate 2219 01:49:00.439 --> 01:49:03.960 messaging through you know, team owned media, or try to 2220 01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:05.800 plan a story in the d News of the trib 2221 01:49:06.279 --> 01:49:09.760 and then expect me to not see what I'm seeing. 2222 01:49:10.600 --> 01:49:13.279 And look, nobody. I want the Jazz to win as 2223 01:49:13.279 --> 01:49:16.199 bad as anybody. I mean, look, I have a dashboard. 2224 01:49:16.359 --> 01:49:18.279 I keep track of how many people listening to which 2225 01:49:18.279 --> 01:49:20.520 segments and how many people listen to which interviews, and 2226 01:49:20.560 --> 01:49:23.680 when Donovan and Rudy and that team was kind of 2227 01:49:24.520 --> 01:49:26.800 making their way through and having a little bit of 2228 01:49:26.800 --> 01:49:30.239 playoff success early on, and then you know, the interest 2229 01:49:30.279 --> 01:49:32.800 in the Jazz was through the roof. A lot of 2230 01:49:32.800 --> 01:49:35.159 people were listening to the NBA segments in a way 2231 01:49:35.199 --> 01:49:37.720 that they just aren't right now. It's better for my 2232 01:49:37.800 --> 01:49:40.720 business if the Jazz win. I'm as frustrated as anybody, 2233 01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:43.279 for everybody, and I can't just be positive about something 2234 01:49:43.319 --> 01:49:46.359 that I'm looking at right now without a lot of hope. 2235 01:49:46.359 --> 01:49:50.039 Because when you look at teams with draft capital future 2236 01:49:50.079 --> 01:49:54.199 ability to add pieces via the draft, Oklahoma City is 2237 01:49:54.239 --> 01:49:57.920 at the top. And Oklahoma City isn't just in a 2238 01:49:57.960 --> 01:50:00.600 position where they're going to be able to pieces in 2239 01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:04.279 the future they're awesome right now. They should win the championship. 2240 01:50:04.840 --> 01:50:07.039 Then you have teams like Brooklyn. They're in the same 2241 01:50:07.079 --> 01:50:11.039 spot as the Jazz. The Houston Rockets have ten draft 2242 01:50:11.039 --> 01:50:14.279 picks coming their way. They just made the playoffs with 2243 01:50:14.399 --> 01:50:17.800 a really, really good team. The San Antonio Spurs have 2244 01:50:17.960 --> 01:50:21.399 nine future picks at their disposal. The Detroit Pistons are 2245 01:50:21.399 --> 01:50:24.800 on this list, the Sacramento Kings, the Orlando Magic. So 2246 01:50:25.159 --> 01:50:30.000 teams that are already good are in the same area. 2247 01:50:30.119 --> 01:50:33.600 The Jazz are with draft assets. So it's one thing 2248 01:50:33.600 --> 01:50:37.640 to say we have draft assets. Okay, that's great. There 2249 01:50:37.680 --> 01:50:40.680 is a tremendous amount of pressure on them to get 2250 01:50:40.720 --> 01:50:44.119 this thing right this offseason. Yeh. Now next year is 2251 01:50:44.119 --> 01:50:46.800 going to look the same as this year. There's no scenario. 2252 01:50:46.880 --> 01:50:48.840 I mean, there are rumors about San Antonio two or 2253 01:50:48.840 --> 01:50:52.960 Affiliate three. Maybe they can move up, maybe they can 2254 01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:56.520 grab another lottery pick. But we need to see Taylor healthy. 2255 01:50:56.680 --> 01:51:01.199 For fair Cody, I mean, he's got years to go. 2256 01:51:01.720 --> 01:51:04.680 Based off what we saw last year, I don't know 2257 01:51:04.680 --> 01:51:07.439 if Keante George is a rotational piece for a good team. 2258 01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:10.800 Isaiah Callier, you can't have your lead guard shooting twenty 2259 01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:14.520 six percent from three. I like Lowry, I like Walker, 2260 01:51:15.279 --> 01:51:17.560 and that might be it. I think Philipowski showed some 2261 01:51:17.600 --> 01:51:20.800 things down the stretch. Yeah, But if the best pick 2262 01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:22.880 you've made is the one you've grabbed thirty two and 2263 01:51:22.920 --> 01:51:24.920 the chances that you had in the lottery in the 2264 01:51:24.920 --> 01:51:27.960 mid first round you've struck out on, it indicates they're 2265 01:51:27.960 --> 01:51:29.720 still miles and miles to go. 2266 01:51:29.920 --> 01:51:32.279 Yeah, and the comparisons you make to the other teams, 2267 01:51:32.279 --> 01:51:34.760 I think it jumps out because the first thing I 2268 01:51:34.840 --> 01:51:37.720 saw with the reaction was they will never help us 2269 01:51:37.760 --> 01:51:40.920 small market tape. Well, I tell you, the Tember Nuggets 2270 01:51:40.960 --> 01:51:43.199 are recent champions, right, and I know they're not like 2271 01:51:43.319 --> 01:51:47.159 small smallmerker right. But the Milwaukee Bucks are resa champions. 2272 01:51:47.159 --> 01:51:49.920 The Spurs won five of them. They put together a 2273 01:51:50.039 --> 01:51:53.439 good run of winning, consistently winning. The Jazz, by the way, 2274 01:51:53.439 --> 01:51:57.119 in the nineties won a ton more teams. Jordan beating 2275 01:51:57.159 --> 01:51:59.680 the finals came from small markets than big markets. I 2276 01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:01.760 still don't call Phoenix a small market, but I know 2277 01:52:01.760 --> 01:52:04.600 that it's not considerate that in the NBA landscape is 2278 01:52:04.680 --> 01:52:08.039 not But anyway, not the point. It wasn't a major 2279 01:52:08.079 --> 01:52:11.000 destination if you will for NBA free agents and all 2280 01:52:11.039 --> 01:52:13.760 that at the time. So when I look at it, 2281 01:52:13.800 --> 01:52:16.359 I say, no, I think all across the board. 2282 01:52:16.359 --> 01:52:19.199 If you want to say it's all even, it's not okay. 2283 01:52:19.239 --> 01:52:19.760 I get it. 2284 01:52:20.159 --> 01:52:25.560 Some places are probably more wished upon by a free 2285 01:52:25.560 --> 01:52:27.720 agent than say, Salt Lake. But when I look at 2286 01:52:27.760 --> 01:52:30.439 the way teams have been able to build championships build 2287 01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:32.199 championship teams, I look at the way that they were 2288 01:52:32.199 --> 01:52:33.680 able to do it with culture. I look at the 2289 01:52:33.680 --> 01:52:36.000 way Mike Malone was able to do and I know 2290 01:52:36.079 --> 01:52:38.319 it just got let oh, it's just stunning, by the way, 2291 01:52:38.640 --> 01:52:40.399 but how he did it with Denver and I watched 2292 01:52:40.479 --> 01:52:43.239 him in the years where they refused to be consistent 2293 01:52:43.239 --> 01:52:46.359 with defensive habits, then at least weren't terrible in that area. 2294 01:52:46.520 --> 01:52:49.520 Boom put a ring on their finger, Like I watched 2295 01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:53.159 it all come together for others. And there's no reason 2296 01:52:53.199 --> 01:52:55.920 this place couldn't fan support everything you could want in 2297 01:52:55.960 --> 01:52:56.279 that way. 2298 01:52:57.199 --> 01:52:58.279 And it's a competitive league. 2299 01:52:58.319 --> 01:53:00.439 I got that, And I'm not saying this team should 2300 01:53:00.479 --> 01:53:03.359 be in that position now, But I did think they 2301 01:53:03.479 --> 01:53:06.720 would be more along than they have been. I did 2302 01:53:06.760 --> 01:53:09.319 think that they would be at a at a bigger 2303 01:53:09.359 --> 01:53:11.800 step in this process, it has surprised me. 2304 01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:16.079 If san Antonio is willing to move too, or Philly 2305 01:53:16.159 --> 01:53:18.399 is moving to move, is willing to move? Three? Do 2306 01:53:18.479 --> 01:53:20.439 you put marketing on the table? You put Lowry on 2307 01:53:20.479 --> 01:53:21.039 the table? Yeah? 2308 01:53:21.039 --> 01:53:22.720 I mean if you're gonna bet on that being this 2309 01:53:22.800 --> 01:53:25.920 cornerstone piece to the ultimate future, then yes, yes I do. 2310 01:53:26.640 --> 01:53:29.479 But but with that said, you better be ready because 2311 01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:32.800 if I'm them, I want Lowry, I want to swap, 2312 01:53:33.119 --> 01:53:35.079 and I want a future at basement. 2313 01:53:35.359 --> 01:53:37.920 That's the basement, all right, ton, Before I say you loose, 2314 01:53:37.960 --> 01:53:40.079 reminder of the Salleid Bees and the Miller Sports and 2315 01:53:40.199 --> 01:53:43.159 Entertainment invite all to celebrate the grand opening of the 2316 01:53:43.159 --> 01:53:46.840 Salleid Bees Team Store at the Ballpark at America First Square, 2317 01:53:46.920 --> 01:53:50.479 coming up tomorrow, five o'clock PM, one one one one 2318 01:53:50.600 --> 01:53:53.199 South Ballpark Drive new merch, great deals and more. 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We're 2350 01:55:11.279 --> 01:55:15.119 about to send somebody to play golf at Stonebridge. It 2351 01:55:15.199 --> 01:55:17.600 is our Festival of Teas, brought to you by the UGA, 2352 01:55:17.800 --> 01:55:20.880 so stay tuned for that. Speaking of the UGA, our 2353 01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:24.800 next guest is the executive director of the UGA, and 2354 01:55:24.840 --> 01:55:27.039 we're only going to talk golf for the next twenty minutes. 2355 01:55:27.880 --> 01:55:31.239 Easton Folster, Happy Monday, buddy. How are we doing right? 2356 01:55:32.199 --> 01:55:34.880 I'm doing fantastic And you guys, couldn't it fixed a 2357 01:55:34.920 --> 01:55:37.000 better song? And suck us hoping you would? That's just 2358 01:55:37.239 --> 01:55:38.319 that made my heart happy. 2359 01:55:38.479 --> 01:55:40.680 There you go. And we're not only going to talk 2360 01:55:40.720 --> 01:55:44.479 golf because your text offering your presence on this radio 2361 01:55:44.560 --> 01:55:47.800 show came with a mandate. And Easton, even though you're 2362 01:55:47.840 --> 01:55:50.960 a local boy, you happen to be a lifelong fan 2363 01:55:51.039 --> 01:55:53.920 of the New York Knickerbockers. Let me start with the 2364 01:55:53.960 --> 01:55:56.560 origin story. When did you and why did you become 2365 01:55:56.560 --> 01:55:57.119 a Knicks fan? 2366 01:55:59.239 --> 01:56:01.399 Yeah, that's a good question, you know, Obviously, being a 2367 01:56:01.479 --> 01:56:06.399 nineties kid, the Knicks were a little more relevant, you know, 2368 01:56:06.479 --> 01:56:08.479 back then than they are, you know, in the previous 2369 01:56:08.520 --> 01:56:11.399 two decades. And obviously I had the Jazz Troop for 2370 01:56:11.520 --> 01:56:14.359 but for some reason I hooked on with the Knicks. 2371 01:56:14.439 --> 01:56:17.399 Was a big Patrick Ewing fan, and I will say 2372 01:56:17.399 --> 01:56:20.159 that I've remained loyal through some dark years, and now 2373 01:56:20.720 --> 01:56:22.760 there seems to be somewhat of a light at the 2374 01:56:22.840 --> 01:56:25.680 end of the tunnel. So things are looking a little brighter, 2375 01:56:25.720 --> 01:56:26.359 that's for sure. 2376 01:56:27.159 --> 01:56:31.600 So I wonder what you find most likable about this 2377 01:56:31.680 --> 01:56:34.520 iteration of the Knicks, Because Porter, my producer, is a 2378 01:56:34.560 --> 01:56:38.000 younger Nick fan, and so he has this idea in 2379 01:56:38.039 --> 01:56:39.920 his head that the Mellow years were awesome and they 2380 01:56:39.960 --> 01:56:43.279 just weren't. They won a couple of playoff series and look, 2381 01:56:43.479 --> 01:56:47.079 I'm a mellow guy, love mellow I just it's all 2382 01:56:47.079 --> 01:56:49.560 bottom line this to me, this is the most likable 2383 01:56:49.640 --> 01:56:52.439 Nick team, literally since nineteen ninety nine. What what do 2384 01:56:52.439 --> 01:56:54.399 you like most about this team? 2385 01:56:55.239 --> 01:56:55.479 Yeah? 2386 01:56:55.520 --> 01:56:58.279 I agree, they're fun to watch, you know. I think 2387 01:56:58.319 --> 01:57:01.279 the compelling component is the fact that I feel like 2388 01:57:01.279 --> 01:57:04.840 they're never out of a game. You know, I've told 2389 01:57:05.319 --> 01:57:08.239 some friends and you know solo basketball fans that I 2390 01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:11.079 feel like, if the Knicks can get to the fourth 2391 01:57:11.119 --> 01:57:16.920 quarter within ten points and Jalen Brunson is in the game, 2392 01:57:17.039 --> 01:57:18.920 we have a shot. And I think being able to 2393 01:57:19.800 --> 01:57:22.199 watch a player like him with as clutch as he's been, 2394 01:57:23.000 --> 01:57:26.479 it's amazing. I mean, it's it almost feels like this 2395 01:57:26.479 --> 01:57:30.399 this confidence when he has the ball that something magical 2396 01:57:30.439 --> 01:57:32.640 is going to happen. So even if we're down, which 2397 01:57:32.640 --> 01:57:35.319 we've obviously seen in the Celtics series the Piston series 2398 01:57:35.359 --> 01:57:38.720 as well, you have a chance with Jalen Brunson and 2399 01:57:39.159 --> 01:57:41.039 he's a closer, and it's been a lot of fun 2400 01:57:41.039 --> 01:57:44.159 to watch. But it's a greaty team. They hustle, they 2401 01:57:44.159 --> 01:57:47.039 play hard. I wish they wouldn't dig these holes. I'm 2402 01:57:47.079 --> 01:57:49.319 sure I speak for all Knicks fans, but they find 2403 01:57:49.359 --> 01:57:54.399 a way to claw out and it's been heart stopping sometimes, 2404 01:57:54.399 --> 01:57:55.960 but it's been a lot of fun up to this point. 2405 01:57:56.840 --> 01:58:00.479 Did you anticipate Friday Night happen in the way it 2406 01:58:00.520 --> 01:58:04.119 did at all? I mean, I finished the show and 2407 01:58:04.239 --> 01:58:06.880 drove home, and you know what, man, it was kind 2408 01:58:06.920 --> 01:58:09.800 of fun because I will say in this space, when 2409 01:58:09.840 --> 01:58:12.479 you do this for a living, and as long as 2410 01:58:12.479 --> 01:58:15.159 I've done, and now, you know, approaching twenty years full time, 2411 01:58:15.720 --> 01:58:17.920 you do have to be agnostic a little bit, you know, 2412 01:58:17.960 --> 01:58:21.760 you do have to kind of put the biases and 2413 01:58:21.840 --> 01:58:24.239 fandom aside in order to do the job the right way. 2414 01:58:24.319 --> 01:58:27.000 Like I would love for the Jazz to be good again, 2415 01:58:27.079 --> 01:58:31.239 but I cannot be dishonest about where they're at. Whenever 2416 01:58:31.279 --> 01:58:33.680 anybody asks me, who do you cheer locally for? I 2417 01:58:33.720 --> 01:58:36.840 said all of them. I want everybody to win, because 2418 01:58:36.880 --> 01:58:39.479 when everybody's winning, more people listening to sports soccer radio, 2419 01:58:39.520 --> 01:58:41.279 and it's better for my bottom line. It's better for 2420 01:58:41.319 --> 01:58:45.439 my business. But the PTSD of being a Nick fan 2421 01:58:45.640 --> 01:58:48.359 for really since I was ten eleven years old, really 2422 01:58:48.479 --> 01:58:51.399 settled in. And I approached that game on Friday night 2423 01:58:51.439 --> 01:58:54.720 with tremendous trepidation and even when they were up like forty, 2424 01:58:54.760 --> 01:58:56.520 I'm like, I still don't feel like this was real. 2425 01:58:56.560 --> 01:58:58.840 So what stood out most to you about the way 2426 01:58:58.880 --> 01:59:00.960 they just blew out the same Celtics on Friday? 2427 01:59:02.479 --> 01:59:04.880 Well, I'm with you. I was terrified, you know, when 2428 01:59:04.920 --> 01:59:06.840 we lost Game five the way that we did, even 2429 01:59:06.880 --> 01:59:11.319 without Tatum, I was I was really nervous, and it 2430 01:59:11.439 --> 01:59:15.159 just has felt like Nicks never really blow teams out, 2431 01:59:15.279 --> 01:59:18.079 you know. If anything, they've been getting blown out in 2432 01:59:18.159 --> 01:59:20.920 games and have caught back, which has been a lot 2433 01:59:20.920 --> 01:59:23.479 of fun. But I had I wish I could say 2434 01:59:23.520 --> 01:59:25.199 I saw the Knicks blown them out. I didn't have 2435 01:59:25.239 --> 01:59:28.000 that level of confidence. I thought it'd be a great game, 2436 01:59:29.039 --> 01:59:31.359 but it seemed like, you know, they had their foot 2437 01:59:31.399 --> 01:59:32.720 on the gas and they didn't let it go. And 2438 01:59:32.760 --> 01:59:35.640 I'm with you, even when we got up twenty thirty 2439 01:59:35.640 --> 01:59:39.199 and I think we even touched forty plus points, you know, 2440 01:59:39.239 --> 01:59:42.680 there was still some trepidation, like you said that the 2441 01:59:42.720 --> 01:59:45.720 bottom was going to fall out, and you know, as 2442 01:59:45.800 --> 01:59:48.079 we know with coach Tibbs of course kept his starters 2443 01:59:48.119 --> 01:59:50.760 in the whole entire game, so I'm not even sure 2444 01:59:50.760 --> 01:59:51.039 that he. 2445 01:59:51.079 --> 01:59:52.680 Was confident that we're going to hold on. 2446 01:59:52.760 --> 01:59:55.319 But exciting way to win the game and a lot 2447 01:59:55.319 --> 01:59:58.199 of momentum going into the Eastern Conference finals, so it's exciting. 2448 01:59:58.760 --> 02:00:01.960 What is your confidence against this pacer team that just 2449 02:00:02.039 --> 02:00:05.560 has a grip of physical pitbull wings that just want 2450 02:00:05.600 --> 02:00:06.960 to fight everybody all the time. 2451 02:00:09.119 --> 02:00:10.920 Yeah, I think it's going to be a great series. 2452 02:00:11.159 --> 02:00:15.760 I think we'll match up well. I really I think 2453 02:00:15.800 --> 02:00:18.479 that Knicks fans might be making a mistake and kind 2454 02:00:18.479 --> 02:00:21.039 of overlooking the Pacers and looking onto the finals. 2455 02:00:21.079 --> 02:00:21.960 That would be a mistake. 2456 02:00:22.000 --> 02:00:25.800 I mean, Pacers man handled a really good Cavs team, 2457 02:00:26.039 --> 02:00:29.399 and so I could see this going six. I could 2458 02:00:29.399 --> 02:00:31.119 go see it going seven. But of course, as a 2459 02:00:31.119 --> 02:00:34.640 true Knicks fan, I think I think we'll get it done. 2460 02:00:34.840 --> 02:00:37.239 You know, I'd have to say maybe Nix and Nixon 2461 02:00:37.359 --> 02:00:39.239 six would be my prediction. In fact, I think that's 2462 02:00:39.239 --> 02:00:42.039 what we've done. The last two series is one in 2463 02:00:42.079 --> 02:00:44.079 game six, so hopefully we get that done again. 2464 02:00:44.640 --> 02:00:47.560 Does it make it sweeter that it's been so long? 2465 02:00:47.680 --> 02:00:49.399 I mean I've kind of gone back and forth on 2466 02:00:49.439 --> 02:00:52.920 this because certainly, as a fan, every year, you want 2467 02:00:52.920 --> 02:00:55.319 your team to have a shot, and if for honest, 2468 02:00:55.479 --> 02:00:58.079 you know, the Knicks have not had a shot it 2469 02:00:58.239 --> 02:01:01.479 doing anything since nineteen nine. I mean, it literally has 2470 02:01:01.560 --> 02:01:04.479 been twenty five years, and if we're honest, the Jazz 2471 02:01:04.520 --> 02:01:07.119 haven't had a chance to win a championship. In my opinion, 2472 02:01:07.199 --> 02:01:10.399 probably in that same timeframe. But during that time, the 2473 02:01:10.479 --> 02:01:13.079 Jazz had d Will and Booze and Memo, and then 2474 02:01:13.119 --> 02:01:15.960 they had Hayward and Favors in that group, then they 2475 02:01:16.000 --> 02:01:19.479 had Mitchell and Gobert and good teams. So I know, 2476 02:01:19.560 --> 02:01:22.560 the Jazz right now are nowhere close to competing, and 2477 02:01:22.600 --> 02:01:25.239 we have a fan base that's a little bit disenfranchised 2478 02:01:25.800 --> 02:01:29.840 with the product. And my hope is, you know, when 2479 02:01:30.119 --> 02:01:32.079 the Jazz are able to get this thing figured out 2480 02:01:32.439 --> 02:01:36.720 and they're back to respectability and competition, our community here 2481 02:01:36.720 --> 02:01:39.199 and our basketball fan base here will be reminded of 2482 02:01:39.239 --> 02:01:42.439 how fun spring basketball is. So I know, as a 2483 02:01:42.520 --> 02:01:45.439 long suffering Nick fan, you probably preferred to have better 2484 02:01:45.479 --> 02:01:47.479 teams over the past twenty five years, But does it 2485 02:01:47.520 --> 02:01:49.359 make it any sweeter that it's been so long? 2486 02:01:50.960 --> 02:01:53.319 Yeah, I think so, And I think most Knicks fans 2487 02:01:53.359 --> 02:01:55.520 would say that. I mean, if anyone saw the social 2488 02:01:55.560 --> 02:01:58.840 media buzz around the Knicks fans going absolutely crazy in 2489 02:01:58.840 --> 02:02:01.319 New York City, I mean, on one, it's a little embarrassing. 2490 02:02:01.399 --> 02:02:04.039 I mean, all we did was win two series, but 2491 02:02:04.119 --> 02:02:07.880 they celebrated, you know, like we won the championship. So 2492 02:02:07.920 --> 02:02:11.640 I think you see that that somewhat of a relief, 2493 02:02:11.920 --> 02:02:13.800 you know, from fans that it's been so long that 2494 02:02:14.560 --> 02:02:18.000 we've made it to this point, and it certainly is sweet. 2495 02:02:18.079 --> 02:02:20.399 You know, I've I've had to stop myself from you know, 2496 02:02:20.479 --> 02:02:23.800 day dreaming to what might be and in a few 2497 02:02:23.840 --> 02:02:26.920 weeks we still have a really, really long way to 2498 02:02:27.000 --> 02:02:31.359 go for that. But no, it's it's it's been what 2499 02:02:31.560 --> 02:02:34.319 you know, two decades or twenty five years since you know, 2500 02:02:34.319 --> 02:02:37.359 we got to this point, and so I think, you know, 2501 02:02:37.439 --> 02:02:41.079 for all Knicks fans, there's this certain release that you know, 2502 02:02:41.560 --> 02:02:44.359 it's been satisfying to see the team perform. I listened 2503 02:02:44.359 --> 02:02:48.039 to your previous segment about the Jazz playing the lottery 2504 02:02:48.039 --> 02:02:50.119 offs and some of their struggles and you know, and 2505 02:02:50.159 --> 02:02:53.640 tearing it down and can't help but be reminded that 2506 02:02:53.640 --> 02:02:55.640 that's what the Knicks were doing for the better part 2507 02:02:55.640 --> 02:02:56.800 of the last two decades. 2508 02:02:56.840 --> 02:02:59.520 And so it feels it feels. 2509 02:02:59.199 --> 02:03:01.239 Good, you know, to be this point, and hopefully we 2510 02:03:01.279 --> 02:03:02.039 can keep it rolling. 2511 02:03:02.800 --> 02:03:04.720 All right, Before we will, we do need to talk 2512 02:03:04.720 --> 02:03:07.720 a little golf. But before we get there, I have 2513 02:03:07.800 --> 02:03:11.680 your Instagram pulled up and number one, congrats, that's number one. 2514 02:03:12.199 --> 02:03:14.159 I was going to ask you if you're raising your 2515 02:03:14.199 --> 02:03:17.840 young your young fella as a fan of this team, 2516 02:03:18.319 --> 02:03:20.800 because one of the things, like my poor son has 2517 02:03:20.840 --> 02:03:25.279 grown up Jazz, Nicks, Jets, luckily we have the Yankees. 2518 02:03:25.319 --> 02:03:28.159 But I feel bad that I ever encouraged him to 2519 02:03:28.239 --> 02:03:30.680 cheer for the Knicks or the Jets. But he was 2520 02:03:30.760 --> 02:03:33.439 at one of the games and he posted a picture 2521 02:03:33.680 --> 02:03:35.800 in his John Starch jersey that I bought him when 2522 02:03:35.840 --> 02:03:37.680 he was about the same age as your boy. And 2523 02:03:37.720 --> 02:03:40.159 I see, you've got your boy in a Jalen Brunson jersey. 2524 02:03:40.199 --> 02:03:42.720 Yeah that's right. 2525 02:03:42.840 --> 02:03:45.119 Yeah, no, And he's a you know, for only being 2526 02:03:45.159 --> 02:03:46.560 four years old, he's a real fan. 2527 02:03:46.600 --> 02:03:47.319 I mean he can. 2528 02:03:47.239 --> 02:03:49.720 Name I would say at least six or seven players 2529 02:03:49.720 --> 02:03:51.720 on the team, So for being four years old, i'd 2530 02:03:51.720 --> 02:03:54.359 call him a real fan. I mean, he's watching the 2531 02:03:54.399 --> 02:03:57.239 games with me, and he's and he's excited, and you know, 2532 02:03:57.439 --> 02:04:01.000 as you mentioned, wife expecting and I've told her, if 2533 02:04:01.319 --> 02:04:04.880 we're lucky enough to win it all, Jalen, the name 2534 02:04:05.000 --> 02:04:08.239 Jalen is certainly in play. You know, she's not necessarily 2535 02:04:08.399 --> 02:04:11.600 a fan, but I've just warned her that Jalen is 2536 02:04:12.279 --> 02:04:14.479 in play. So you might see that here in a 2537 02:04:14.479 --> 02:04:18.960 few months. But yeah, I mean we're excited, and I 2538 02:04:19.000 --> 02:04:20.920 know my son is too. He of course didn't have 2539 02:04:20.960 --> 02:04:24.239 to suffer through the long decades of ineptitude. But yeah, 2540 02:04:24.239 --> 02:04:26.319 we're pretty pumped at our residents. 2541 02:04:26.159 --> 02:04:28.880 Thinking, Jalen Spencer fulster, how's that land? 2542 02:04:30.159 --> 02:04:30.760 I like it. 2543 02:04:31.319 --> 02:04:32.039 I'm all in. 2544 02:04:32.399 --> 02:04:34.319 You put a basketball in his hand? Can he shoot it? 2545 02:04:34.359 --> 02:04:35.000 Did he dribble it? 2546 02:04:35.039 --> 02:04:35.239 All? 2547 02:04:36.119 --> 02:04:38.199 He can play? Yeah, he's an athlete, you know. Right 2548 02:04:38.239 --> 02:04:40.560 now he's just kind of trying to figure it all out. Soccer, 2549 02:04:40.680 --> 02:04:43.039 t ball, you know, basketball, But he can play. And 2550 02:04:43.319 --> 02:04:46.000 you know, like I said, he's he watches, he observes, 2551 02:04:46.039 --> 02:04:48.720 and you know, he's a big fan. So Jalen's his 2552 02:04:48.720 --> 02:04:50.800 favorite player. We went to the Knicks Jazz game when 2553 02:04:50.840 --> 02:04:53.520 they were here in town, and he caught Jalen's attention. 2554 02:04:53.640 --> 02:04:55.840 He waved at him, and of course that just made 2555 02:04:55.880 --> 02:04:57.640 his day. I think it made my day more than his. 2556 02:04:57.800 --> 02:04:59.840 But yeah, he's a big fan. 2557 02:05:00.479 --> 02:05:02.680 Have you put a golf club in this young fella's 2558 02:05:02.680 --> 02:05:03.319 hand yet. 2559 02:05:05.720 --> 02:05:07.039 Yeah, a little bit, just a little you know, a 2560 02:05:07.039 --> 02:05:10.840 little plastic sets it. Golf's tricky, as you know, I mean, 2561 02:05:10.880 --> 02:05:12.880 we're we're adults. I still haven't figured it out. And 2562 02:05:12.880 --> 02:05:14.600 I've been playing, you know, for the better part of 2563 02:05:14.600 --> 02:05:17.520 a decade. So I feel like that's a long road 2564 02:05:17.600 --> 02:05:20.119 and maybe I can get him some more quicker than golf. 2565 02:05:20.159 --> 02:05:22.600 But eventually, yeah, we'll put a golf club in his 2566 02:05:22.640 --> 02:05:24.760 hand and see what he can do. But got a 2567 02:05:24.760 --> 02:05:25.520 long ways. 2568 02:05:25.239 --> 02:05:28.479 To go for that, hopefully, Because when I was younger, 2569 02:05:28.760 --> 02:05:30.840 I thought it was boring. I did not want to 2570 02:05:30.840 --> 02:05:33.520 play golf. My grandfather may he rest in peace, loved 2571 02:05:33.520 --> 02:05:36.800 it and he always said, like your natural athlete, you 2572 02:05:36.800 --> 02:05:38.439 could be good at this if you wanted to. And 2573 02:05:38.479 --> 02:05:40.399 then I would just get frustrated and quit, and I'd 2574 02:05:40.399 --> 02:05:42.000 want to go shoot buckets. I want to go play 2575 02:05:42.039 --> 02:05:46.199 basketball or football. So are you planning on fighting through 2576 02:05:46.199 --> 02:05:48.760 the boardom to encourage him to keep playing the game, 2577 02:05:48.880 --> 02:05:50.640 or you just kind of going to kind of let 2578 02:05:50.720 --> 02:05:52.199 him find out what he loves on his own. 2579 02:05:53.800 --> 02:05:55.920 Yeah, probably more of the latter, you know, figure out 2580 02:05:55.920 --> 02:05:58.319 what he likes, you know, I think exposure is important, 2581 02:05:58.439 --> 02:06:00.600 especially for kids, you know, expose him to everything and 2582 02:06:00.680 --> 02:06:02.720 let them kind of pick what they excel at and 2583 02:06:02.720 --> 02:06:05.680 what they enjoy. And if it's golf, great, you know, 2584 02:06:06.000 --> 02:06:09.640 that would make me certainly a happy father, you know. 2585 02:06:09.680 --> 02:06:11.479 But not going to push him, you know, in that 2586 02:06:11.600 --> 02:06:14.039 in that direction. But you know, hopefully, you know, like 2587 02:06:14.119 --> 02:06:15.840 I did, and it sounds like maybe you did as 2588 02:06:16.399 --> 02:06:20.039 a youth. He'll pick it up recreationally and you know, 2589 02:06:20.119 --> 02:06:22.960 from from there, we'll see what happens. But yeah, no, 2590 02:06:23.000 --> 02:06:26.439 you're right. I mean eighteen holes as a kid back 2591 02:06:26.439 --> 02:06:28.680 and that's long and it takes a little bit of 2592 02:06:28.720 --> 02:06:31.560 time to learn to enjoy that. But we'll see what 2593 02:06:31.560 --> 02:06:32.279 happens with him. 2594 02:06:32.520 --> 02:06:34.680 What do you think it is about this game, the 2595 02:06:34.760 --> 02:06:37.479 game of golf that seems to draw people in on 2596 02:06:37.520 --> 02:06:40.239 a level where it truly turns into an addiction. And 2597 02:06:40.319 --> 02:06:42.119 I'm not even kidding. What do you think it is 2598 02:06:42.600 --> 02:06:45.680 about how people just get addicted to the game. 2599 02:06:47.439 --> 02:06:50.359 I think it's I think it's those little moments of success, 2600 02:06:50.560 --> 02:06:54.479 which of course are relative to the golfer. You know, 2601 02:06:54.560 --> 02:06:58.760 if you're incredible and you're really talented, obviously you know 2602 02:06:58.840 --> 02:07:02.640 your your success, and that little addiction might be shooting 2603 02:07:02.640 --> 02:07:06.359 a sixty four, sixty three, going for the course record, 2604 02:07:07.079 --> 02:07:09.079 winning championships, you know, But for the rest of us, 2605 02:07:09.119 --> 02:07:12.479 it might be flushing a fore iron and that feel of, 2606 02:07:12.560 --> 02:07:15.079 you know, hitting a grain in regulation and hitting a 2607 02:07:15.159 --> 02:07:19.920 drive that's straight and far. And it's those I've always 2608 02:07:19.960 --> 02:07:23.640 found you can get a golfer to hit, you know, 2609 02:07:23.840 --> 02:07:26.159 just one, two or three of those moments in around 2610 02:07:26.199 --> 02:07:28.119 where they think that was a lot of fun. I 2611 02:07:28.159 --> 02:07:31.359 think I can do that again. I think that's where 2612 02:07:31.399 --> 02:07:33.520 the addiction comes in, as Wow, I just flushed a 2613 02:07:33.560 --> 02:07:36.239 fore iron. That's how it feels. I'm going to go 2614 02:07:36.359 --> 02:07:38.600 back next week and I'm going to give it another shot, 2615 02:07:38.640 --> 02:07:40.640 And if you can turn that into a few times 2616 02:07:40.760 --> 02:07:44.479 each round, that's where the development comes. And that's where 2617 02:07:45.239 --> 02:07:47.119 you know, those moments of you know, like you've kind 2618 02:07:47.119 --> 02:07:49.159 of said that, that addiction which I think we've all 2619 02:07:49.199 --> 02:07:51.319 had with golf, those that you know love the game, 2620 02:07:51.800 --> 02:07:53.960 it's those small moments of success that give you. 2621 02:07:53.920 --> 02:07:54.760 A taste. 2622 02:07:56.079 --> 02:07:58.399 And you know what, you know, the really good player, 2623 02:07:58.640 --> 02:08:01.239 you know, experiences on you on every shot basis. We 2624 02:08:01.239 --> 02:08:05.000 don't get those very often, but with golf on any 2625 02:08:05.000 --> 02:08:06.520 given day, you know, there's a lot of players that 2626 02:08:06.560 --> 02:08:10.520 can hit a shot like a professional. They do it consistently. 2627 02:08:10.640 --> 02:08:12.720 We do it maybe once around. But it's that one 2628 02:08:12.760 --> 02:08:14.600 shot that I think gives people that hitch. 2629 02:08:15.119 --> 02:08:17.680 You know what's interesting you reference how the pros are 2630 02:08:17.720 --> 02:08:21.199 so consistent with it. I don't know that I fully 2631 02:08:21.319 --> 02:08:26.279 understood their ability to figure out problems and get out 2632 02:08:26.279 --> 02:08:29.600 of trouble until I went down to Bay Hill as 2633 02:08:29.600 --> 02:08:33.920 an honorary observer and followed Sam Stevens' Nick Taylor around 2634 02:08:33.960 --> 02:08:36.199 the course. And then when you look at some of 2635 02:08:36.239 --> 02:08:39.680 the stats like fairways hitting regulation or greens hitting regulation, 2636 02:08:39.760 --> 02:08:42.680 these guys aren't hitting every fairway, they're not hitting every green, 2637 02:08:43.479 --> 02:08:47.640 and watching their ability to problem solve has become like 2638 02:08:47.760 --> 02:08:49.960 a fascination of mine. Have you noticed the same as 2639 02:08:50.000 --> 02:08:52.640 you've watched some of these pros, Like yes, to your point, 2640 02:08:52.680 --> 02:08:55.479 they're going to hit most of their shots pretty flush, 2641 02:08:55.720 --> 02:08:58.279 but they're not hitting every fairway, they're not hitting every green. 2642 02:08:58.319 --> 02:09:00.439 They've got to figure out how to solve and get 2643 02:09:00.479 --> 02:09:02.279 out of trouble. That that to me is like the 2644 02:09:02.279 --> 02:09:03.239 line of delineation. 2645 02:09:05.199 --> 02:09:07.359 Sure, and you know, and I think it's you know, 2646 02:09:07.479 --> 02:09:09.760 it's avoiding the big mistakes that I think. You know, 2647 02:09:09.800 --> 02:09:12.960 amateur players, you know, tend to make the big numbers. 2648 02:09:13.039 --> 02:09:14.800 You just don't see as often from the pros. All 2649 02:09:14.840 --> 02:09:17.439 go out and make a number of double bogies and 2650 02:09:17.680 --> 02:09:19.920 triple bogeys and around, and that's what kind of adds 2651 02:09:19.960 --> 02:09:22.920 to that score. And those guys, you know, bogie for 2652 02:09:22.960 --> 02:09:26.880 them is bad because, like you said, They're able to calculate, 2653 02:09:26.920 --> 02:09:30.199 they're able to see risk, probably unlike you know us, 2654 02:09:30.439 --> 02:09:33.680 you know, every day amateur player, and so you know, 2655 02:09:33.720 --> 02:09:36.000 I think they avoid the big numbers more often than 2656 02:09:36.039 --> 02:09:40.199 probably you know, the the double digit handicapped player is. 2657 02:09:41.319 --> 02:09:43.159 And then just the talent, you know, to be able 2658 02:09:43.199 --> 02:09:45.239 to pull off some of the shots. I'll say that 2659 02:09:45.319 --> 02:09:48.319 maybe I can see the shot that's required, but I 2660 02:09:48.359 --> 02:09:50.439 don't have the talent to pull the shot off. So 2661 02:09:50.479 --> 02:09:54.039 I think that combination of, you know, if talent and 2662 02:09:54.199 --> 02:09:57.560 risk management is really what makes you know, professional golfers 2663 02:09:57.560 --> 02:09:58.079 the elite. 2664 02:09:58.680 --> 02:10:01.920 You have a favorite golfer watch right now or historically? 2665 02:10:02.000 --> 02:10:03.359 Is there one that comes to mind? 2666 02:10:05.279 --> 02:10:08.000 Yeah, you know, I hate to be right on the bandwagon, 2667 02:10:08.039 --> 02:10:11.479 but I just there's I can't find anything not to 2668 02:10:11.560 --> 02:10:14.319 like about Scottie Scheffler, both from a playing standpoint and 2669 02:10:14.439 --> 02:10:17.079 just from a you know, who he is as a person. 2670 02:10:17.159 --> 02:10:19.479 Of course, I don't know him personally, but from everything 2671 02:10:19.520 --> 02:10:24.279 I see, just seems like a very likable guy. Like 2672 02:10:24.359 --> 02:10:27.800 the way he plays his swing a little unorthodox, you 2673 02:10:27.840 --> 02:10:32.279 don't see that every day, and it's consistent and just wins. 2674 02:10:32.479 --> 02:10:34.159 And so, like I said, I hate to jump on 2675 02:10:34.239 --> 02:10:37.399 the bandwagon of probably where everybody else is at. But 2676 02:10:37.520 --> 02:10:41.039 I when he's in contention, I certainly like to jump 2677 02:10:41.039 --> 02:10:43.039 in front of the TV and watch. He's probably one 2678 02:10:43.079 --> 02:10:44.319 of my favorites right now. 2679 02:10:44.239 --> 02:10:47.239 When he's dialed in. And I've talked about this on 2680 02:10:47.279 --> 02:10:49.079 the show with a lot of my golf guests quite 2681 02:10:49.079 --> 02:10:52.319 a bit. One of my big regrets is that I 2682 02:10:52.359 --> 02:10:54.760 was not dialed into the game of golf when Tiger 2683 02:10:54.840 --> 02:10:58.279 was Tiger. I wasn't watching. I had an opportunity. In 2684 02:10:58.359 --> 02:11:00.760 nineteen ninety seven. I was living with my grandparents, and 2685 02:11:00.760 --> 02:11:03.680 as I referenced, my grandfather was a big golfer, and 2686 02:11:03.760 --> 02:11:06.000 for whatever reason Easton, it is known on the show 2687 02:11:06.000 --> 02:11:09.199 that my grandfather named me nickname me Spencer Doobie when 2688 02:11:09.199 --> 02:11:12.000 I was two years old. I don't know why. There's 2689 02:11:12.000 --> 02:11:14.239 no way he knew what that was. I can promise 2690 02:11:14.279 --> 02:11:18.520 you that. And so nineteen ninety seven, I'm a senior 2691 02:11:18.520 --> 02:11:22.760 in high school and I'm downstairs and my grandfather yells down, 2692 02:11:22.960 --> 02:11:25.520 do be come upstairs. This young man is about to 2693 02:11:25.560 --> 02:11:28.680 make history. So we watched the final round of Tiger 2694 02:11:28.720 --> 02:11:31.800 at Augusta, but I did not see Tiger at peak 2695 02:11:31.840 --> 02:11:34.560 Tiger very much. I've watched some documentaries, I read the book, 2696 02:11:34.600 --> 02:11:37.560 and I find him to be very fascinating, and I 2697 02:11:37.720 --> 02:11:43.439 know that it is it is very, very dangerous to compare. 2698 02:11:43.600 --> 02:11:46.680 Like golf gatekeepers in a way remind me a little 2699 02:11:46.680 --> 02:11:49.720 bit of NBA gatekeepers when the Jordan stuff comes up, 2700 02:11:49.760 --> 02:11:51.199 Like there are so many people and by the way, 2701 02:11:51.239 --> 02:11:53.119 I'm one of them. There are so many people that 2702 02:11:53.159 --> 02:11:55.720 will say Mike is the greatest and he'll always be 2703 02:11:55.800 --> 02:11:57.840 the greatest. Do not come to me with Kobe or 2704 02:11:57.920 --> 02:11:59.840 Lebron or I don't want to talk about it, Okay, 2705 02:12:00.279 --> 02:12:04.199 And whenever I draw comparison to Tiger, it's like sacrilegious 2706 02:12:04.199 --> 02:12:06.960 for golf gatekeepers. But at what point do we start 2707 02:12:07.039 --> 02:12:10.079 talking about Scotty as potentially in the midst of the 2708 02:12:10.079 --> 02:12:12.399 beginning of a run that kind of feels like it 2709 02:12:12.439 --> 02:12:15.000 did when Tiger was being Tiger if that makes sense. 2710 02:12:16.000 --> 02:12:16.600 Yeah, it does. 2711 02:12:16.680 --> 02:12:18.800 And I think we're there. I think the run has 2712 02:12:18.800 --> 02:12:21.239 at least started. You know, like you said, now, what 2713 02:12:21.319 --> 02:12:24.640 made Tiger so great is you know, the how long 2714 02:12:24.680 --> 02:12:26.720 the run really was and the dominant really was. I 2715 02:12:26.760 --> 02:12:30.000 mean we saw with Rory he came out too, you know, 2716 02:12:30.000 --> 02:12:33.840 when he was a younger golfer and he started that journey, 2717 02:12:33.880 --> 02:12:36.680 and I think he had if I'm not mistaken, he 2718 02:12:36.720 --> 02:12:38.600 had four majors right off the bat and then had 2719 02:12:38.640 --> 02:12:42.319 to wait eleven years until he just recently won the Masters, 2720 02:12:42.479 --> 02:12:46.159 And so you know, there's some cautionary tell there as 2721 02:12:46.159 --> 02:12:48.439 well as yes, I think he's on that path. I 2722 02:12:48.439 --> 02:12:52.039 think there's been other golfers like Rory, like Jordan Spief 2723 02:12:52.119 --> 02:12:55.239 that have come out hot and then they've fizzled. So 2724 02:12:55.359 --> 02:12:59.079 to be able to be that dominant, that consistent, I 2725 02:12:59.079 --> 02:13:01.920 think that's what made Tiger, and that's what made Jack great. 2726 02:13:02.039 --> 02:13:02.199 Now. 2727 02:13:02.239 --> 02:13:05.479 I think Scotty is certainly right there on the path. 2728 02:13:06.600 --> 02:13:10.399 Only twenty eight he's got, you know, I would say 2729 02:13:10.399 --> 02:13:13.079 fifteen twenty years of competitive golf lift and we'll see 2730 02:13:13.119 --> 02:13:15.920 what he can do. You know, Tiger with fifteen majors, 2731 02:13:16.479 --> 02:13:19.399 Scotty now has three, so he's got a little ways 2732 02:13:19.439 --> 02:13:21.079 to go. But I mean, I'd be shocked if you 2733 02:13:21.239 --> 02:13:23.840 if you asked me to predict, I'd be shocked if 2734 02:13:23.880 --> 02:13:25.840 he's not at least at double digit majors by the 2735 02:13:25.920 --> 02:13:27.880 end of his career. So he's a lot of fun 2736 02:13:27.920 --> 02:13:30.039 to watch, and I think we're watching something special and 2737 02:13:30.039 --> 02:13:31.119 we'll see what happens. 2738 02:13:31.399 --> 02:13:34.319 Does the Live thing move the needle for you at all? 2739 02:13:34.439 --> 02:13:35.960 I mean I was going to ask you, like, I 2740 02:13:36.000 --> 02:13:39.079 don't know how it would affect your job, but in 2741 02:13:39.439 --> 02:13:41.439 you know, in and around the game of golf, it 2742 02:13:41.520 --> 02:13:45.119 still seems to dominate the conversation. Part of me feels 2743 02:13:45.119 --> 02:13:49.039 like we've settled into acceptance, if that makes sense, where like, 2744 02:13:49.039 --> 02:13:50.920 all right, Live is just going to be around, and 2745 02:13:50.960 --> 02:13:54.199 it's just going to be another tour. It's going to 2746 02:13:54.279 --> 02:13:57.039 be like the USFL or Minor League Baseball or whatever 2747 02:13:57.079 --> 02:13:59.520 it is. It's just, you know, for a while, it 2748 02:13:59.640 --> 02:14:05.199 was okay, the merger's happening, and then there were negotiations 2749 02:14:05.279 --> 02:14:08.640 and Jay Monahan and the the the leader of the 2750 02:14:08.640 --> 02:14:10.399 PIF Fund, we're kind of like, all right, we're making 2751 02:14:10.439 --> 02:14:13.560 progress and there's no progress. Then the President gets involved, 2752 02:14:13.680 --> 02:14:15.359 like okay, maybe this is going to move the needle, 2753 02:14:16.000 --> 02:14:18.159 and it hasn't, and we're just kind of in the 2754 02:14:18.199 --> 02:14:21.239 place where we've come to this acceptance that Live is 2755 02:14:21.279 --> 02:14:22.560 going to be lived, and the tour is going to 2756 02:14:22.560 --> 02:14:24.520 be the tour, and the best players on Live that 2757 02:14:24.560 --> 02:14:26.239 have earned the right to playing majors are going to 2758 02:14:26.279 --> 02:14:28.840 have the right to do that. It feels like that's 2759 02:14:28.880 --> 02:14:31.000 where we've landed. You think that's where we're always going 2760 02:14:31.079 --> 02:14:32.600 to be. And does this stuff kind of move the 2761 02:14:32.640 --> 02:14:34.640 needle with what you have to deal with day to day. 2762 02:14:36.439 --> 02:14:39.800 Yeah, you know, it's really tough to predict. I do 2763 02:14:39.920 --> 02:14:42.119 agree that I think that we've kind of landed in 2764 02:14:42.159 --> 02:14:45.119 this acceptance. I think that there was some turmoil there 2765 02:14:45.199 --> 02:14:48.279 when Live was picking off some of the you know, 2766 02:14:48.319 --> 02:14:51.439 the best tour players, and I think that made everyone uneasy. 2767 02:14:51.960 --> 02:14:55.960 That's settled, and now kind of the rumors are Bryson 2768 02:14:56.039 --> 02:14:58.399 could come back, John rom could come back. You know, 2769 02:14:58.439 --> 02:15:01.079 there's some regrets that they took them money and don't 2770 02:15:01.079 --> 02:15:03.159 get to play on the on the tour, you know, 2771 02:15:03.359 --> 02:15:06.479 as Live loses those players. If that does happen and 2772 02:15:06.760 --> 02:15:08.840 they lose a Jen Rahm and they lose you know, 2773 02:15:08.840 --> 02:15:12.359 a Bryson de Shamba, I don't know. I mean, there's 2774 02:15:12.359 --> 02:15:14.399 not a lot of interest in Live Golf right now, 2775 02:15:15.199 --> 02:15:17.479 and if there was any, you know, without those golfers, 2776 02:15:17.600 --> 02:15:20.640 I really don't know, like you said, outside of being 2777 02:15:20.720 --> 02:15:24.760 a minor league, I just don't know how they survive now. 2778 02:15:24.960 --> 02:15:28.000 Could they continue to pump money and and try and 2779 02:15:28.079 --> 02:15:30.479 you know, I'll say, steal more players or take away 2780 02:15:30.479 --> 02:15:34.359 more players from the tour maybe, but that hasn't happened. 2781 02:15:34.399 --> 02:15:36.199 I feel like in you know, at least a year 2782 02:15:36.279 --> 02:15:39.399 or two. So I don't know, you know, if I 2783 02:15:39.640 --> 02:15:42.199 had to predict, I don't know that Live will be 2784 02:15:42.319 --> 02:15:45.399 here long in the way that we know it, but 2785 02:15:45.479 --> 02:15:47.159 I do, you know, I do agree that I think 2786 02:15:47.159 --> 02:15:49.159 we've kind of landed in a place of acceptance and 2787 02:15:49.199 --> 02:15:51.600 it seems like it's kind of settled a little bit, 2788 02:15:51.720 --> 02:15:53.960 and you know, maybe they can come to grips or 2789 02:15:54.319 --> 02:15:57.039 come to terms on an agreement where we can get 2790 02:15:57.079 --> 02:15:58.680 some of these players on tour. Because how fun has 2791 02:15:58.720 --> 02:16:01.399 it been to watch Into Shamba. I know he's not 2792 02:16:01.479 --> 02:16:06.159 for everybody, but he's been incredibly relevant at the last 2793 02:16:06.159 --> 02:16:09.000 three majors, I think top five in the last three, 2794 02:16:09.479 --> 02:16:11.399 and a great personality and it's been a lot of 2795 02:16:11.399 --> 02:16:14.760 fun to have him. I mean, golf is missing having 2796 02:16:14.760 --> 02:16:17.840 Bryce into Shambles and having John Rahm's play, you know, 2797 02:16:17.880 --> 02:16:21.199 in on a consistent basis on on weekends that we 2798 02:16:21.239 --> 02:16:23.720 all get to watch. So hopefully we get those players 2799 02:16:23.720 --> 02:16:26.680 all playing on one tour again. I you know, I'm 2800 02:16:26.800 --> 02:16:30.920 strictly on the amateur side, you know, far more on 2801 02:16:30.920 --> 02:16:32.920 the local side than ever having to deal with live. 2802 02:16:33.079 --> 02:16:35.760 So you know, I just cheer for what's best for 2803 02:16:35.840 --> 02:16:39.280 golf and let's get people excited to play. I don't 2804 02:16:39.280 --> 02:16:41.959 know that that's live. I think it's more like Scotty, 2805 02:16:43.200 --> 02:16:44.879 you know, on this tear that he's on, or Rory 2806 02:16:44.920 --> 02:16:47.159 winning the Masters. I think that's what gets people excited. 2807 02:16:47.200 --> 02:16:48.399 So that's what I tend to root for. 2808 02:16:48.600 --> 02:16:51.559 We don't really need to get more people excited to play, Euston, 2809 02:16:51.639 --> 02:16:55.399 We just we just don't. Okay, I've already presented my 2810 02:16:55.559 --> 02:16:58.520 endeavor of hashtag shrink the game, which you summarily dismissed, 2811 02:16:58.520 --> 02:17:00.959 and of course I'm being phasis just but before I 2812 02:17:01.000 --> 02:17:03.559 set you loose, I know you've got tournaments, you've got 2813 02:17:03.639 --> 02:17:06.559 mid ams, you've got state ams, qualifying senior and all 2814 02:17:06.559 --> 02:17:09.479 that women, all that stuff. So what what do you 2815 02:17:09.479 --> 02:17:11.280 want our listeners to know about what you have going 2816 02:17:11.319 --> 02:17:12.120 on with the UGA? 2817 02:17:13.760 --> 02:17:16.319 Yeah, appreciate it, and you know very much we're we're 2818 02:17:16.319 --> 02:17:18.920 in the camp of expanding the game, and you know, 2819 02:17:18.920 --> 02:17:20.639 we want everyone to come out and play as much 2820 02:17:20.639 --> 02:17:23.799 golf as humanly possible and stack up the t sheets 2821 02:17:23.840 --> 02:17:27.280 and and hopefully there's still some tea times that you 2822 02:17:27.319 --> 02:17:29.360 can book as well. But you know, my challenge for 2823 02:17:29.399 --> 02:17:32.079 any golfer that's listening, or even non golfer, is to 2824 02:17:33.000 --> 02:17:35.479 push themselves to the to the next level, whatever that 2825 02:17:35.559 --> 02:17:38.600 may be. You know, golf is on a boom right now. 2826 02:17:38.639 --> 02:17:40.639 It seems like everyone's you know, trying to get in 2827 02:17:40.680 --> 02:17:43.520 the game one way or another, whether it's at top golf, 2828 02:17:43.799 --> 02:17:47.440 whether it's going to the driving range. I would encourage 2829 02:17:47.440 --> 02:17:49.479 everyone to go get top golf a try go to 2830 02:17:49.559 --> 02:17:52.120 the driving ranges if you're new to the game, and 2831 02:17:52.159 --> 02:17:54.440 as you become more familiar, we'd love to have you 2832 02:17:54.479 --> 02:17:55.360 as members. 2833 02:17:55.040 --> 02:17:55.680 Of the UGA. 2834 02:17:56.239 --> 02:17:59.600 You know, get a handicap index and start tracking your progress. 2835 02:17:59.639 --> 02:18:03.000 That's that's our goal. We think it's you know, we 2836 02:18:03.079 --> 02:18:05.799 helped develop those players that can go from just beginning 2837 02:18:06.120 --> 02:18:08.760 to maybe one day playing you know, championship level golf 2838 02:18:08.760 --> 02:18:12.280 here in the state. So I encourage everyone to go 2839 02:18:12.360 --> 02:18:15.799 out and try something new, whatever that may be. And 2840 02:18:16.280 --> 02:18:18.760 if you'll visit you JA dot org. That's how you 2841 02:18:18.799 --> 02:18:21.479 can become a member, get a handicap index and play 2842 02:18:21.479 --> 02:18:22.760 as much golf as possible. 2843 02:18:23.360 --> 02:18:25.840 I gotta tell you before I set you loose after 2844 02:18:25.920 --> 02:18:28.959 you're on last time. I showed up the next morning 2845 02:18:28.959 --> 02:18:32.239 to play around a bottleville and as I checked in 2846 02:18:32.600 --> 02:18:35.000 paid the fee. As I was walking out, one of 2847 02:18:35.120 --> 02:18:37.159 one of my guys up there said, hey, go easy 2848 02:18:37.159 --> 02:18:39.680 on Easton, will you So? I don't know if you 2849 02:18:39.760 --> 02:18:41.959 got any feedback last time, but people were listening, and 2850 02:18:41.959 --> 02:18:45.040 I apologize if I went too hard on you. 2851 02:18:45.079 --> 02:18:48.040 No, of course not. I know where you're coming from. 2852 02:18:48.040 --> 02:18:50.040 Everyone wants to tea time, and everyone wants to get 2853 02:18:50.040 --> 02:18:52.559 out there and play. You know, like I said, from 2854 02:18:52.559 --> 02:18:56.000 our standpoint, love seeing t sheets full, and our golf 2855 02:18:56.040 --> 02:18:58.559 professionals are working really hard to make it a good experience. 2856 02:18:58.559 --> 02:19:00.719 But no, we want you to be able to get 2857 02:19:00.719 --> 02:19:02.719 out there and play, you know, a quick round too. 2858 02:19:02.719 --> 02:19:04.559 You know you're busy, So hope you'll keep playing. 2859 02:19:04.840 --> 02:19:06.639 Oh you know, I will? You know, I will, buddy. 2860 02:19:06.639 --> 02:19:08.959 I appreciate the time today, and if the Knicks keep advancing, 2861 02:19:08.959 --> 02:19:11.000 we're gonna keep having you on because now the good 2862 02:19:11.079 --> 02:19:12.719 luck charm apparently he's in play, all right. 2863 02:19:14.000 --> 02:19:14.440 I love it. 2864 02:19:14.479 --> 02:19:15.840 Thanks for your time, Spence, Go. 2865 02:19:15.879 --> 02:19:20.079 Nick Easton Folster, executive director of the Utah Golf Association. 2866 02:19:20.200 --> 02:19:25.280 Go to UGA dot org or maybe don't, I don't know. 2867 02:19:26.719 --> 02:19:30.159 Maybe you play pickleball, maybe go for a walk, maybe 2868 02:19:30.239 --> 02:19:34.239 bride your bike, maybe walk the dog. You're crazy. I 2869 02:19:34.280 --> 02:19:37.600 feel like too many people are way into it now. 2870 02:19:38.360 --> 02:19:41.040 Listen. I get it as a guy who you know 2871 02:19:41.959 --> 02:19:45.000 is often looking for a tennis quarter around Salt Lake 2872 02:19:45.000 --> 02:19:48.159 and it's full, I understand, all right, I do, okay, 2873 02:19:48.600 --> 02:19:49.840 full as pickleballers too. 2874 02:19:50.000 --> 02:19:52.360 So oh yeah, and most of the tennis courts are 2875 02:19:52.360 --> 02:19:55.600 now open for pickleball players as well. Get me started. 2876 02:19:55.920 --> 02:19:58.760 Just go up to the corner of let's see first 2877 02:19:58.799 --> 02:20:02.719 South and University Park. That park there, the tennis courts, 2878 02:20:02.760 --> 02:20:05.159 frat bros, no shirts, pickle ball all day. 2879 02:20:05.159 --> 02:20:06.639 You know they're always there too. 2880 02:20:06.840 --> 02:20:09.559 Yeah they are, all right, So go to UJA dot 2881 02:20:09.600 --> 02:20:12.040 or Okay, just do that for our guy Easton. But 2882 02:20:12.280 --> 02:20:15.639 you know it, honestly, golf is it's hard, it's boring, 2883 02:20:15.680 --> 02:20:18.000 it's expensive, it's time consuming. Like why do you guys 2884 02:20:18.040 --> 02:20:20.959 even want to play? Go do something else with your time. Yeah, 2885 02:20:20.959 --> 02:20:23.280 it's it's it's here's the thing. 2886 02:20:23.920 --> 02:20:25.760 If you go and you know you haven't played golf 2887 02:20:25.840 --> 02:20:28.920 yet and you're you're wanting to get into it, You're 2888 02:20:28.959 --> 02:20:31.319 not going to be good for years and years and years. 2889 02:20:31.479 --> 02:20:33.200 Just know that, yep, just know that. 2890 02:20:33.600 --> 02:20:39.799 You know it takes ten thousand hours plus probably of practice. 2891 02:20:40.159 --> 02:20:42.319 Those are reps that you can't shortcut. 2892 02:20:42.680 --> 02:20:45.159 Yeah, you guys don't want to put yourself through that grind. 2893 02:20:45.680 --> 02:20:48.840 You really don't. Maybe you do, Maybe you do. It's 2894 02:20:48.879 --> 02:20:52.600 wildly addicting. Anyway, Time now to send somebody golfing for free. 2895 02:20:53.600 --> 02:20:57.639 Stone Bridge, Oh nice love stone Bridge. Eighteen holes of 2896 02:20:57.680 --> 02:20:59.920 stone Bridge on the line. It is the Festival at Teas, 2897 02:21:00.040 --> 02:21:02.920 brought to you by our friends at the UGA. ESPN. 2898 02:21:03.040 --> 02:21:05.559 Festival of Tea is powered by the Utah Golf Association. 2899 02:21:05.680 --> 02:21:08.319 Each day of spring, ESPN seven Hunters is given away 2900 02:21:08.399 --> 02:21:11.000 rounds of golf to the best courses in the state. 2901 02:21:11.079 --> 02:21:12.920 Listening to The Down and Dirty with Scott Mitchell, The 2902 02:21:12.959 --> 02:21:15.239 Shot O'Connell Show, and The Drive with Spence. Checkets for 2903 02:21:15.280 --> 02:21:18.280 your chance to win each day from ESPN and the 2904 02:21:18.399 --> 02:21:22.319 Utah Golf Association. Details can be found at ESPN seven 2905 02:21:22.399 --> 02:21:25.000 hundred sports dot com. All Right. Final segment of the 2906 02:21:25.040 --> 02:21:28.799 program on this Monday afternoon, the sun is trying to shine. 2907 02:21:29.639 --> 02:21:32.959 I feel like it's been been a minute, little rainy, 2908 02:21:33.000 --> 02:21:38.399 little cloudy, little chili for May. If April showers bring 2909 02:21:38.559 --> 02:21:40.879 May flowers, what do May showers bring? 2910 02:21:43.120 --> 02:21:44.280 Hopefully some more flowers. 2911 02:21:45.840 --> 02:21:47.239 That's all. That's the best you could do. 2912 02:21:47.719 --> 02:21:48.559 We need more flowers. 2913 02:21:48.600 --> 02:21:50.200 I guess why do we need more flower? We need 2914 02:21:50.559 --> 02:21:54.959 consistent sunshine. We need warmth, that's what we need. May 2915 02:21:55.040 --> 02:21:56.760 has been chilly, We've had a cold spring. 2916 02:21:57.000 --> 02:22:00.000 Yeah, okay, we can have like a nice warm June then. 2917 02:22:00.040 --> 02:22:03.799 Okay for you? Okay, fair enough, fair enough. No NBA 2918 02:22:03.879 --> 02:22:08.040 playoff basketball tonight, Tom Haberstrow is going to binge the 2919 02:22:08.120 --> 02:22:10.600 last of us. What do you what do you have 2920 02:22:10.680 --> 02:22:13.000 plans on the docket on a Monday night when the 2921 02:22:13.040 --> 02:22:14.959 conference finals don't get going until tomorrow. 2922 02:22:15.120 --> 02:22:19.520 Yeah, I'm getting to the point I probably need to 2923 02:22:19.600 --> 02:22:21.799 make a list on on stuff I need to catch 2924 02:22:21.879 --> 02:22:24.680 up on. When you're you're talking all the series and whatnot. 2925 02:22:25.440 --> 02:22:28.079 I am not up to date on Gemstones, which is 2926 02:22:28.079 --> 02:22:31.600 when I do enjoy. Uh maybe some of that. I'm 2927 02:22:31.600 --> 02:22:33.639 building a garden this week, so I'm finishing that. 2928 02:22:34.079 --> 02:22:37.280 Look at you, mister green thumb, But not much, Bob 2929 02:22:37.360 --> 02:22:38.120 Vila over here. 2930 02:22:38.319 --> 02:22:41.760 Who's that? Oh my gosh, is that the Toolhouse Guy? 2931 02:22:41.959 --> 02:22:44.280 This Old House with Bobby? You know what? That actually 2932 02:22:44.280 --> 02:22:46.680 ages me a lot, because I think I was young 2933 02:22:46.719 --> 02:22:48.159 when Bob. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna do a 2934 02:22:48.200 --> 02:22:50.159 Google Google shows you've never heard of Bob Vila. 2935 02:22:50.200 --> 02:22:52.840 I think I know who you're talking about. But deep, 2936 02:22:52.959 --> 02:22:53.719 deep memories. 2937 02:22:54.520 --> 02:22:56.159 There was an old TV show. 2938 02:22:56.239 --> 02:22:58.920 Oh yeah, I told yeah, yeah, the Toolhouse Guy. 2939 02:22:59.479 --> 02:23:01.959 Yeah there was. It was an old TV show called 2940 02:23:01.959 --> 02:23:05.719 This Old House with Bob Vila, and my parents loved 2941 02:23:05.760 --> 02:23:07.440 it and when I was a kid, we used to 2942 02:23:07.479 --> 02:23:09.879 watch it. I don't even know when it was on. 2943 02:23:11.000 --> 02:23:13.040 I was probably on, like back in the eighties. That 2944 02:23:13.440 --> 02:23:16.079 may have been. Honestly, that may have been the oldest 2945 02:23:16.120 --> 02:23:19.440 reference that I've ever made on the show. Vila was 2946 02:23:19.520 --> 02:23:21.680 hired as the host of This Old House in nineteen 2947 02:23:21.799 --> 02:23:22.440 seventy nine. 2948 02:23:22.879 --> 02:23:25.120 And then, wasn't he the guy like across the fence 2949 02:23:25.159 --> 02:23:28.360 on tim the No? Was it not the same guy? 2950 02:23:28.520 --> 02:23:29.719 It's not the same guy. 2951 02:23:30.200 --> 02:23:31.200 I thought it was the same guy. 2952 02:23:31.760 --> 02:23:34.319 Let's see. This Old House was on from nineteen seventy 2953 02:23:34.399 --> 02:23:37.520 nine to nineteen eighty nine. That officially is the oldest 2954 02:23:37.520 --> 02:23:39.920 reference I've ever made on the show. I think I 2955 02:23:39.959 --> 02:23:43.639 told you. I shocked somebody recently who asked me when 2956 02:23:43.639 --> 02:23:46.200 I was born when I revealed that I was actually 2957 02:23:46.200 --> 02:23:49.159 born in the seventies. That's the oldest reference I've ever 2958 02:23:49.159 --> 02:23:51.239 made on the show, for sure. I dig it. I 2959 02:23:51.280 --> 02:23:52.079 dig it. I like that. 2960 02:23:52.200 --> 02:23:53.360 I like the seventies reference. 2961 02:23:53.680 --> 02:23:56.799 So you're building a garden in your house or excuse me, 2962 02:23:56.799 --> 02:23:59.959 in your yard outside of the house. Any are these flowers? 2963 02:24:00.079 --> 02:24:02.840 Are they vegetables that you'll be able to like actually eat? 2964 02:24:03.040 --> 02:24:06.760 I like to. I usually if I have the space, 2965 02:24:06.799 --> 02:24:09.360 I like to grow like everything that I've got, all 2966 02:24:09.360 --> 02:24:11.760 my vegetables and stuff. I like to grow at myself. 2967 02:24:12.639 --> 02:24:14.680 So that's that's the hope. Maybe a few flowers if 2968 02:24:14.680 --> 02:24:18.920 I got extra room. But uh yeah, berries, peppers, tomatoes, 2969 02:24:19.200 --> 02:24:20.079 stuff I can eat. 2970 02:24:20.360 --> 02:24:22.920 I am very impressed. I do not have the natural 2971 02:24:23.680 --> 02:24:25.799 the natural green thumb. Is it something that you have 2972 02:24:25.879 --> 02:24:27.959 naturally or as a result of being raised in God's 2973 02:24:28.000 --> 02:24:30.200 country to just kind of learn the skill a little 2974 02:24:30.239 --> 02:24:30.520 bit of. 2975 02:24:30.479 --> 02:24:34.000 Both, I would say I definitely, you know, tended to 2976 02:24:34.200 --> 02:24:36.200 enough crops growing up a little bit that I I've 2977 02:24:36.200 --> 02:24:40.200 got a a bit of a head start, but yeah, 2978 02:24:40.200 --> 02:24:42.559 it was. It was always something I've I've done. I'm 2979 02:24:42.600 --> 02:24:44.479 a green thumb, whether it comes to the garden or 2980 02:24:44.559 --> 02:24:47.520 like my house plants. Like I don't have pets, so 2981 02:24:47.559 --> 02:24:50.280 those are those are my things until I have room 2982 02:24:50.319 --> 02:24:50.719 for pets. 2983 02:24:50.799 --> 02:24:54.760 Grown any weed not at the moment. Okay, don't, don't, don't. 2984 02:24:55.000 --> 02:24:56.159 Don't incriminate yourself. 2985 02:24:56.639 --> 02:24:58.520 I was gonna say, can I can I tell you 2986 02:24:58.559 --> 02:25:02.959 on the radio if I was Oh, yeah, no, okay, sorry, okay, 2987 02:25:03.040 --> 02:25:04.280 shout out to Fred Warner. 2988 02:25:04.719 --> 02:25:07.840 Three years, sixty three million dollar extension. So some good 2989 02:25:07.840 --> 02:25:11.360 stuff there. Well, oh, I know what I wanted to 2990 02:25:11.360 --> 02:25:14.879 ask you. Do you think the Mets are good? I 2991 02:25:14.920 --> 02:25:16.440 can't wait for this, you think. Do you think the 2992 02:25:16.479 --> 02:25:17.360 Mets are good? Don't you? 2993 02:25:17.440 --> 02:25:18.280 They have a good roster. 2994 02:25:18.440 --> 02:25:19.440 They do have a good roster. 2995 02:25:19.559 --> 02:25:23.879 But here's the thing. They weren't good ten years ago, 2996 02:25:24.440 --> 02:25:26.680 twelve years ago, thirteen years ago. We never had good 2997 02:25:26.680 --> 02:25:29.520 Mets teams. And then we started to have this thing 2998 02:25:29.559 --> 02:25:33.239 where we did have good rosters. You go back to 2999 02:25:34.559 --> 02:25:39.040 the year we did make the World Series, that pitching 3000 02:25:39.079 --> 02:25:41.120 staff was the best in the league and it wasn't close. 3001 02:25:41.559 --> 02:25:44.719 You go back to like the Matt Harvey, Cinderguard de 3002 02:25:44.840 --> 02:25:49.399 Graham like, the fact that those Mets didn't make genuine 3003 02:25:49.479 --> 02:25:51.600 runs outside of the one they lost to the Royals 3004 02:25:51.639 --> 02:25:54.760 is a bit absurd. So we're now going on this, 3005 02:25:56.280 --> 02:25:58.559 I want to say, almost a decade now, Spence, where 3006 02:25:59.000 --> 02:26:02.120 the Mets have had good rosters and still haven't been good. 3007 02:26:02.760 --> 02:26:05.319 So I just I throw my hands up at this point. 3008 02:26:05.479 --> 02:26:08.159 At least the Knicks, now that they have good rosters, 3009 02:26:08.239 --> 02:26:11.760 they're actually good. The Mets seem to be able to 3010 02:26:12.120 --> 02:26:14.840 still be bad or embarrassing when they have good players. 3011 02:26:15.200 --> 02:26:19.559 But I'll hold off hope because they started all right. 3012 02:26:19.879 --> 02:26:24.040 Conference finals in pro basketball begins tomorrow with the Western 3013 02:26:24.120 --> 02:26:26.719 side of things. Then on Wednesday it's the Eastern side 3014 02:26:26.760 --> 02:26:29.920 of things. So of course stay two. We have you 3015 02:26:30.000 --> 02:26:32.360 covered there porter what comes our way on a Tuesday 3016 02:26:32.520 --> 02:26:33.719 edition of the show. 3017 02:26:33.879 --> 02:26:36.399 On a Tuesday edition the program you mentioned. Of course, 3018 02:26:36.520 --> 02:26:39.639 NBA Conference finals start tomorrow, so we'll double up on 3019 02:26:39.639 --> 02:26:43.319 the NBA daily assists from ESPN. It's Tim McMahon joining 3020 02:26:43.360 --> 02:26:45.479 us as he does each and every Tuesday. We're gonna 3021 02:26:45.520 --> 02:26:47.959 catch up with our friend Lee Ellis, of course a 3022 02:26:48.000 --> 02:26:51.040 guy from down Under, but he covered the entirety of 3023 02:26:51.440 --> 02:26:55.520 the Eastern Conference semi finals. So we'll check in with 3024 02:26:55.639 --> 02:26:59.399 Lee Richard Smitty Smith in studio for an entire hour, 3025 02:26:59.479 --> 02:27:01.600 and then we'll cap off the show catching up with 3026 02:27:01.639 --> 02:27:04.559 someone from Real Salt Lake. Of course, a tough outing 3027 02:27:04.600 --> 02:27:08.440 for them over the weekend of one nil loss. 3028 02:27:08.799 --> 02:27:11.479 Did you try to lob a shot on target text 3029 02:27:11.559 --> 02:27:14.159 to somebody that was rejected by RSL? Or how were 3030 02:27:14.159 --> 02:27:16.879 you able to book someone from the club. Well, that 3031 02:27:17.000 --> 02:27:17.399 was rude. 3032 02:27:17.440 --> 02:27:18.280 That was a little rude. 3033 02:27:18.280 --> 02:27:21.000 Now score a goal, man, I. 3034 02:27:21.000 --> 02:27:23.479 Know, listen, what did you say? Two hundred and fifty minutes? 3035 02:27:23.600 --> 02:27:26.799 Almost two fifty and Pablo said to the Apple TV 3036 02:27:26.879 --> 02:27:30.200 broadcasters he would be surprised if Diego Luna is around 3037 02:27:30.280 --> 02:27:31.639 after the summer transfer window. 3038 02:27:31.879 --> 02:27:34.079 That's the other part. If you if you need an 3039 02:27:34.079 --> 02:27:36.799 attack and you've got guys that uh, you know, maybe 3040 02:27:36.799 --> 02:27:38.520 on the way out, where are you going to be 3041 02:27:38.520 --> 02:27:41.520 after that? It's a it's a it's an interesting spot. 3042 02:27:41.600 --> 02:27:44.319 RSL is in. Yeah, we'll we'll see who they they 3043 02:27:44.319 --> 02:27:46.079 wrangle up to join us tomorrow. 3044 02:27:46.120 --> 02:27:47.799 All right, there you go, We'll say good night, special 3045 02:27:47.840 --> 02:27:50.399 thank you, Bobby Marks, Tom Haber Show, Tony Parks and 3046 02:27:50.440 --> 02:27:52.520 Easton Fulster. 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