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<v Speaker 2>Oh hey, it's that older guy at the beach watching

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<v Speaker 2>the sun set who claps when it's done. Ali Ward

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<v Speaker 2>back with a very very giddy episode of Ologies up top.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to let you know this guest has a

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<v Speaker 2>website now para herpetologica dot com. The link is in

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<v Speaker 2>the show notes, so if you want to be looking

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<v Speaker 2>at any of his photography while we talk, you can

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<v Speaker 2>go to that order his instagram which is in the

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<v Speaker 2>show notes. Also, you can buy his prints on his website.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you to Kyle Sleeper of now Labs for putting

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<v Speaker 2>that together and the guest also has a Patreon. It

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<v Speaker 2>is linked in the show notes. You can directly support

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<v Speaker 2>his work and see all kinds of unreleased photos and

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<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes. So go to his website, follow him

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram, and support him at Patreon. Okay on with

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<v Speaker 2>the intro. Thank you to everyone who keeps ologies up

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<v Speaker 2>among the science goliaths in the podcast charts by making

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<v Speaker 2>sure you're subscribed and by rating, by of course reviewing

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<v Speaker 2>the show. I read all of the reviews. I pick

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<v Speaker 2>a hot, steamy fresh one each week to read, and

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<v Speaker 2>this one was from Plexo nine to one who says

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<v Speaker 2>ologies makes me feel like I'm in the best classroom

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<v Speaker 2>discussion on a rainy day with a sub hi brace.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that. Also, Hello to Majestic Worm and why

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<v Speaker 2>do I need a nickname? Who both drive delivery trucks

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<v Speaker 2>and are tuning in so let's keep these good vibes

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<v Speaker 2>roll in with a periology And it just did not

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<v Speaker 2>have a specific ology. I looked at every quarter of

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<v Speaker 2>the internet for one. It didn't exist. But this guest

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<v Speaker 2>is someone you heard on the Black af and Stem

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<v Speaker 2>episode we did last month, and I love his work

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<v Speaker 2>so much. I just wanted to know more about his

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<v Speaker 2>wildlife macrophotography process. He has so many fans who are

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<v Speaker 2>ologies listeners, so I asked Patreon what ology this would

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<v Speaker 2>even be, and Zultan and Sarah both suggested nature picture

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<v Speaker 2>taking ology. Rob Hover offered wildlife portraitology. Emily's dad and

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<v Speaker 2>Rachel de guff both said close up ologist. But then

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<v Speaker 2>patron Ellen Silva suggested a periology from the Latin apario,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning to open or reveal, and Ellen wrote of this

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<v Speaker 2>guest's work that these photos certainly reveal a world of detail.

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<v Speaker 2>Also bonus, I was like, yes, a pario an aperture

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<v Speaker 2>of the camera also opening different spaces both physically and

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<v Speaker 2>culturally for more people to be included. So yes, a

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<v Speaker 2>pariology it is, thank you, Ellen, a word was coined

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<v Speaker 2>just for this episode. Never before, who have we done

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<v Speaker 2>that on ologies. I'm usually very strict that theology exists elsewhere,

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<v Speaker 2>but this one is just a very rare special occasion,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm thrilled that there is now a periology. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna be chatting about the magnificent art and science,

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<v Speaker 2>which you can see on his website again Paraherpetologica dot

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<v Speaker 2>com linked in the show notes side note. A macrophoto

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<v Speaker 2>is technically one in which the size of the subject

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<v Speaker 2>on the film or the image sensor is life size

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<v Speaker 2>or larger, so his artwork is larger than life. Scientifically speaking,

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<v Speaker 2>his Instagram at Reels on Wheels is just a gallery

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<v Speaker 2>of pensive, praying mantises and dead on stares from beetles,

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<v Speaker 2>the cutest spiders with the most cartoony eyes, and more.

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<v Speaker 2>And as a lifelong bug lover, I was hooked on

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<v Speaker 2>his work as soon as I saw it, and he

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<v Speaker 2>now has thirteen thousand followers on Instagram, most of them

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<v Speaker 2>just from the last few weeks. It's climbing so fast

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be surprised to see him break like one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand in the next few months. So follow him

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<v Speaker 2>on there. And also, by chance, this episode coincides perfectly

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<v Speaker 2>with Disability Pride month as we celebrate the July nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety passing of the Americans with Disabilities Act. So let's

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate that with a glass of iced tea and listen

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<v Speaker 2>to his process his relationships with animals. Why we should

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate the slithery, the scaly, the buggy, the leggy creatures, Lenses,

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<v Speaker 2>cheap gear hacks, which spiders are the cutest, his macro

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<v Speaker 2>photography mentors, the best place to photograph inverts, and more. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>you may hear some beautiful chirping in the background, and

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<v Speaker 2>you have to listen to the whole episode to find

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<v Speaker 2>out what kind of bird it is. Just think of

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<v Speaker 2>it as a lovely hello from nature. So get ready

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<v Speaker 2>for your eyes and ears and world to open with

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<v Speaker 2>the wisdom and the creativity of wildlife photographer and the

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<v Speaker 2>world's first ever a periologist. Jay Demonroe Online aka Joseph Saunders.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so excited to talk to you. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you're my auntsel Adams. You're like my Annie Leavis, like

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite photographer. So this is kind of a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to I'm gonna have to play it much

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<v Speaker 2>cooler than this because I'm like, seriously so struck to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you. So how long have you been doing photography?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you like the outdoors in nature first or did

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<v Speaker 2>you like photography first.

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<v Speaker 3>I've always been a herber at heart. I grew up

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<v Speaker 3>in San Antonio, Texas. Also, just as quick aside, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sciarra out that way. I was born in Tinker Air

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<v Speaker 2>No way, I know exactly where that is. How long

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<v Speaker 2>were you out in California before you moved to Texas?

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<v Speaker 3>Not long enough to have any of some memories. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I moved from California when I was about three,

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<v Speaker 3>so I really don't remember any of it. My upbringing

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<v Speaker 3>in Phoenix, Arizona. But so back to San Antonio. So

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<v Speaker 3>San Antonio. Chelsea one of the other members of Blackefe

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<v Speaker 3>and Stem, she studies and oles, and that was my

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<v Speaker 3>spark animal. It was the green and ole. Yes, like

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<v Speaker 3>amphibians and all that stuff. They're everywhere in San Antonio,

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<v Speaker 3>green and oles and Mediterranean geckos. Like I go back

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<v Speaker 3>to my brothers who still lives there, and like I

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<v Speaker 3>cannot wait to get there because I just start like

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<v Speaker 3>searching around his house looking for an oles so I

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<v Speaker 3>can sow my nieces a nephew.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, growing up in the desert in Arizona. In

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<v Speaker 2>San Antonio, that must have been like the best kind

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<v Speaker 2>of animal to see these wizards.

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<v Speaker 3>So like the crazy thing is and I slap myself

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<v Speaker 3>every time it comes to mind, but I also have

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<v Speaker 3>to remind myself of reasons to be I was not

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<v Speaker 3>really involved in herpetology or a better culture in any

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<v Speaker 3>kind of way. When I lived in Arizona. I went

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<v Speaker 3>Luke Air Force Base. I'm so grateful for it because

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<v Speaker 3>that followed a lot of the conflict between the War

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<v Speaker 3>on drugs and the history surrounding that in Oakland, California,

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot of them left Oakland like seeking a

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<v Speaker 3>better life, and they taught me so much about black

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<v Speaker 3>also in the military. So I mean, we're like completely

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<v Speaker 3>like cut off from like the reality is we think,

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<v Speaker 3>was my coming to reality moment, was my friendship with them,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm so grateful to them to this day because

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<v Speaker 3>you know that they they opened me up to learn

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<v Speaker 3>so much more more about blackness about the justice issues

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<v Speaker 3>that we are facing now. And there's no way that

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<v Speaker 3>I could have been the person that I am not

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<v Speaker 3>without them.

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<v Speaker 2>So Joseph moved to Phoenix at fifteen, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>there that this community many people who were driven out

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<v Speaker 2>from Oakland and the Bay Area because of the racial

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<v Speaker 2>underpinnings of this so called war on drugs, and these

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<v Speaker 2>people opened his eyes to his own culture. And he

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<v Speaker 2>also recalled a close friend who, when they were just teens,

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<v Speaker 2>was brutally assaulted by two police officers after just walking

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<v Speaker 2>into a convenience store in a white neighborhood. And Joseph

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<v Speaker 2>says that that was a moment when he really had

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<v Speaker 2>to face the reality of the disparities between how black

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<v Speaker 2>people and white people see the issue of racism through

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<v Speaker 2>their own lenses, and his white family didn't always understand.

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<v Speaker 2>But he made friends who did you know.

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<v Speaker 3>The great thing is is while the military are growing up,

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<v Speaker 3>best friend who I very very firmly say is my

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<v Speaker 3>brother because we were in kindergarten together and we've been

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<v Speaker 3>together ever since. He was the other black person that

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<v Speaker 3>I knew that actually liked animals and the weird ones

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<v Speaker 3>as much as I did. Like, we were in kindergarten

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<v Speaker 3>together and we would have library days where we would

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<v Speaker 3>go from our classroom over the library and he and

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<v Speaker 3>I would basically barter over which one of us got

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<v Speaker 3>to read the snake book, the spider book, the shark book,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was like, Okay, you get this one this week,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, you take this one this week, and

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<v Speaker 3>then we would switch and we read the same ones

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<v Speaker 3>over and over again. Like I can still picture like

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<v Speaker 3>some of the photos, like one of them, I think

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<v Speaker 3>the spider book had had a trap door spider on

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<v Speaker 3>the cover of it. I'm so grateful for that because

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<v Speaker 3>them they're my family, and we go back to San

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<v Speaker 3>Antonio every year and it's been a week together with

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<v Speaker 3>my family. That is my very very black family. And

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<v Speaker 3>also now I have black af and stem and that

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<v Speaker 3>is you know, I have my family, and now I

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<v Speaker 3>also have this amazing black naturalist community. Yeah. So as

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<v Speaker 3>much as my relationship with my relatives on my mom's side,

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<v Speaker 3>as hurtful as that really truly was, I have the support. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I have the foundation that I need to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to go forth and continue.

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<v Speaker 2>So you you started liking animals maybe before photography?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, so I had to. I had a hop

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<v Speaker 3>on my own Facebook page real quick, because I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>actually start taking photos with any sort of seriousness until

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<v Speaker 3>twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Really yep, really, I wouldn't. I would have thought that

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<v Speaker 2>it was a lot earlier, because you're really very good

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<v Speaker 2>at it. What was it that started? Did you start

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<v Speaker 2>taking iPhone picks or did you did you start by

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<v Speaker 2>getting a camera and just taking it out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whenever you go looking for herbs.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm almost ashamed of this just because of my

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<v Speaker 3>circle of influence. Now, what got me into this is

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<v Speaker 3>that I found out about people who breathe various like

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<v Speaker 3>high end morphs of ball pythons when I was in college,

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<v Speaker 3>and I that's what I do. Now, that's that's my

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<v Speaker 3>own business. I'm regularly employed. I have my own employer,

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<v Speaker 3>but my own small businesses. I read ball pythons.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>So so what I what I found out was I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, Okay, so how do I actually take good

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<v Speaker 3>photos of my animals to make sure that you know

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<v Speaker 3>when it came to reptiles for a sense of not

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<v Speaker 3>fitting in, for a sense of kind of persecution, not

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<v Speaker 3>the various facts and David Att and Borrow talking about

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<v Speaker 1>This is a horned lizard very beautiful too.

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<v Speaker 3>What always stood out to me most was a few

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<v Speaker 3>and or other predators, and you know, so on and

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<v Speaker 3>seventy percent of their water from their food that they

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<v Speaker 3>put them in like like sidewinders in Arizona or horned vipers,

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<v Speaker 3>stick them out in the middle of the desert, and

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<v Speaker 3>they're fine, pretty good, pretty pretty, pretty pretty good. And

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<v Speaker 3>I looked upon them as an example of as an

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<v Speaker 3>only not just survive just based off of what other

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<v Speaker 3>when everybody else is against.

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<v Speaker 2>You, if you're feeling overlooked or underestimated. Right, Yeah, how

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<v Speaker 3>So you know that connection for me and reptiles is

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's why it's been the one thing that

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<v Speaker 3>I've always that has just never gone away. Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I haven't touched the basketball since twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>Spend my time playing ball when I was in my twenties.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just keep coming back to reptiles and now

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<v Speaker 3>the same kind of relationship and perspective still applies when

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<v Speaker 3>it comes to invertebrates because nobody gives it damn about them.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they get into the house and people it's

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<v Speaker 3>some big thing for people to they think that it's

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<v Speaker 3>some great thing that they don't kill insects, that they

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<v Speaker 3>would catch them and release them. I was like, why

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<v Speaker 3>that should be the norm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's so few that can actually hurt you. There's

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<v Speaker 2>so many shower spiders that are just they just want

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<v Speaker 2>to hang out in the corner, right, just let it out.

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<v Speaker 2>But the what you do, the way that you photograph

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<v Speaker 2>these creatures, the number one, your field of focus is

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<v Speaker 2>so shallow that what is so crisp it draws you in.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just magnetic because what's so crisp your eyes just

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<v Speaker 2>like feasts on And then the backgrounds are so obscure,

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<v Speaker 2>they're just dreamy, and it's so easy to focus on

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<v Speaker 2>the subject because that really super shallowed up the field.

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<v Speaker 2>And what is that like, what kind of gear do

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<v Speaker 2>you have to bring Do you have a tiny, tiny

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<v Speaker 2>little studio it's like a seamless that you put them on,

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<v Speaker 2>or are they like? How how are you doing? How

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<v Speaker 2>are you capturing these images?

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<v Speaker 3>So, I mean a lot of what I do is

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<v Speaker 3>is actually in the field. You know. Sometimes if I

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<v Speaker 3>find something that's around the house, I'll take it inside

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<v Speaker 3>so I catch it, wait till it settles down a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit, it gets a little bit desensitized to me,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I'll proceed with photographing it. Otherwise it is

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<v Speaker 3>it's in the field.

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<v Speaker 2>Has it taught you a lot about the ecology because

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<v Speaker 2>you tend to see the same animals in certain spots?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, you know, And that's it's funny that you may

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<v Speaker 3>because like within black aff and STEM, I'm like the undisciplined,

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<v Speaker 3>like low credential variety out of all of them. They're

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<v Speaker 3>all like working on PhDs and this and that. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I got a bachelor's degree in sociology.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, I was like, that doesn't mean you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know your shit, and he was like yeah, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm kidding, but he was like polite about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's my hobby and what I do it does it

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<v Speaker 3>does teach me a lot about the ecology. Like I

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<v Speaker 3>can name like about every species of jumping spider in

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<v Speaker 3>the state of Oklahoma, definitely, all the herbs. I can

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<v Speaker 3>identify all of the frogs and toads in Oklahoma by ear.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, this is just things that you pick

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<v Speaker 3>up as a habit because you do this all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>If you don't learn this doing what you do is

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<v Speaker 2>What kind of apps or field guides do you tend

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<v Speaker 2>to rely on more?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? I have a few field guides now, most of

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<v Speaker 3>them are herbs I have. I have a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>bird guides now, I think I have the Sibly bird

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<v Speaker 3>Guide and I have a like a general insect guide

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<v Speaker 3>as well. But I honestly I use buguide dot net

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. That's a really good source when you're actually looking,

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<v Speaker 3>when you have photos and you're trying to identify, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever the the invertebrate that you found is like the

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<v Speaker 3>biomass biodiversity of Arthur Pause is just so insane that

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<v Speaker 3>you you have to be patient with yourself. You can't expect,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this level of expertise and this you are

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<v Speaker 3>really diving into a specific family or genus of a

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<v Speaker 3>group of animals, and you misidentify stuff often. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's perfectly fine because and so people will correct you.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's that. That is part of the culture, is

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<v Speaker 3>that you accept correction. There's nobody that you know, gets

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<v Speaker 3>really too upset about it, and it's just like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's that and it's like, okay, thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph has met a ton naturalist friends online, but he

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<v Speaker 2>does most of his shooting in Oklahoma City, where he

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<v Speaker 2>lives now. He told me that while Oklahoma prides itself

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<v Speaker 2>on being the reddest of the Red States, one great

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<v Speaker 2>thing about Oklahoma is that a lot of people don't

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<v Speaker 2>realize that it has, per capita, the most historical black

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<v Speaker 2>towns than any other state. And you may, of course

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<v Speaker 2>be familiar with the history of Tulsa's Greenwood District, which

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<v Speaker 2>the site of the Tulsa Race Massacre of nineteen twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>And he told me that Oklahoma's diverse population is partly

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<v Speaker 2>the result of the trail of Tears that forced indigenous

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<v Speaker 2>people off their lands and other traumatic relocation practices from

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<v Speaker 2>the Old South. But he went to college there and

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<v Speaker 2>says at the time he was eating and sleeping and

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<v Speaker 2>breathing basketball. But in all that time, maybe only had

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<v Speaker 2>three black teammates. And I asked why he.

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<v Speaker 3>Thinks that was, And I mean, black people are severely

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<v Speaker 3>underrepresented in wiltrib basketball, at least they were at the

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<v Speaker 3>time that I was in college. It's now been a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Anytime that you look at something, if there is a

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<v Speaker 3>lack of represent it's pretty safe bet to at least

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<v Speaker 3>start to consider that there's some discrimination involved there, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's a matter of kind of diving down into root

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<v Speaker 3>cause analysis. So like with my case, like with spina bifida,

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<v Speaker 3>I know Black children are much more likely to have

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<v Speaker 3>spina bifida and this normally is a result of the

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<v Speaker 3>medical neglect of black mothers. Spina bifida is something that

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<v Speaker 3>occurs due to a deficiency in full of acid that

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<v Speaker 3>happens in utero. Very avoidable and it's not avoided when

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<v Speaker 3>mothers expecting mothers aren't taken care of, which is why

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<v Speaker 3>that it happens more often in black children because Black

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<v Speaker 3>women don't have as good an access to adequate medical care.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, side note that is tragically a gross understatement. The

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<v Speaker 2>Centers for Disease Control released a report in September twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and it opened with this bold and very heartbreaking statement quote,

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<v Speaker 2>three times more likely to die from pregnancy related causes

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<v Speaker 2>than white women, and this disparity increases with age. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sorry that their language is not more inclusive of non

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<v Speaker 2>binary and transmen who can have babies, but it continues,

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<v Speaker 2>most pregnancy related deaths are preventable. Racial and ethnic disparities

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<v Speaker 2>in pregnancy related deaths have persisted over.

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<v Speaker 3>Time, it says. And also, I mean when you go

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<v Speaker 3>to just the histories of redlining and the getilization of

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<v Speaker 3>America also playing into medical care and the proper medical

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<v Speaker 3>care also of these disabled children, what then become the

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<v Speaker 3>opportunities and the accessibility of these children to find adaptive

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<v Speaker 3>sports opportunities. My mom was in the military, so I

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<v Speaker 3>mean I didn't have to deal with a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>those struggles. I mean, obviously something happened with the care

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<v Speaker 3>that my mom received, even from the military standpoints as

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<v Speaker 3>far as medical care is concerned, but growing up ultimately

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<v Speaker 3>middle class, she was able to find resources and outlets

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<v Speaker 3>for me that centered disability. Now is the next part

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<v Speaker 3>where well, I mean I had learned to center blackness

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<v Speaker 3>for myself. It's not something that I could have ever

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<v Speaker 3>learned from her. And so now it's a matter of

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<v Speaker 3>dealing with, you know, both of those things. Because I

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<v Speaker 3>am black and I'm a paraplegic all the time. I

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<v Speaker 3>can't be one or the other before the other. I

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<v Speaker 3>am both at all times.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it like for Joseph to get to know

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<v Speaker 2>the folks from Black AF and STEM who've been personally

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<v Speaker 2>making my timelines one million percent better since they launched

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<v Speaker 2>Blackbird's Week in late May. How did you become introduced

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<v Speaker 2>to them? What was that like for you?

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<v Speaker 3>It is this this whole thing, you know. I'm actually

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<v Speaker 3>I think I came in around February. It was Alex

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<v Speaker 3>Troutman that brought me in. So he had he had

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<v Speaker 3>a post on Facebook about not looking like a scientist

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<v Speaker 3>because he's black, and he kind of, you know, dove

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<v Speaker 3>into you know, this long piece about now I'm still

420
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<v Speaker 3>a scientist. You know, black. This ain't got nothing to

421
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<v Speaker 3>do with it. I'm a black scientist and that went viral.

422
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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't friends with him, but I saw that and

423
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<v Speaker 3>I was like, hey, we should be friends. And then

424
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<v Speaker 3>he hit me back, He's like, did you know about

425
00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:16.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, this group me? And I was like, I

426
00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:18.960
<v Speaker 3>had no idea, what's going on? Yeah?

427
00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

428
00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:21.759
<v Speaker 3>And so he let me in, and then I realized,

429
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<v Speaker 3>you know, there was some familiar faces in there, like

430
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<v Speaker 3>Carl Geitton, the crop guy. I think I've been friends

431
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<v Speaker 3>with Karl actually longer than any of them, and Karnak

432
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<v Speaker 3>Newsome and you know other people that I was already familiar, Like,

433
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<v Speaker 3>you know, I've just been hanging out in here, and

434
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<v Speaker 3>I just now getting the invitation. What was going on?

435
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<v Speaker 2>That must have felt like walking into the best party ever?

436
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<v Speaker 3>Yes, absolutely, And then you know, and the momentum has

437
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<v Speaker 3>just obviously has just increased, like exponentially since that point

438
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<v Speaker 3>that I came in. I mean, initially it was just

439
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<v Speaker 3>this lifely place where we could just kind of set

440
00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:05.720
<v Speaker 3>down all of the armor that we kind of carry

441
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<v Speaker 3>with us into the field into other predominantly white spaces,

442
00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:11.839
<v Speaker 3>and like everybody here is black, and everybody here loose animals. Yeah,

443
00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:15.359
<v Speaker 3>this is great. This is the place that I've been

444
00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:16.519
<v Speaker 3>trying to get to all my life.

445
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<v Speaker 2>I did an episode about code switching with doctor Nicole Holliday,

446
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<v Speaker 2>who's a linguist, and I imagine the code switching dealing

447
00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:32.400
<v Speaker 2>in the scientific world must be exhausting. I feel like

448
00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:35.279
<v Speaker 2>already so many people feel like in science they can't

449
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<v Speaker 2>bring their true selves. But it must be such a

450
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<v Speaker 2>relief to fully be in a group of people who

451
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<v Speaker 2>have such similar experiences and you can feel like you

452
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<v Speaker 2>can be you know, completely authentic.

453
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<v Speaker 3>With Yes, I mean, code switching is a part of it.

454
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<v Speaker 3>I think my favorite thing about it that I've thought

455
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<v Speaker 3>about is as honestly as hair. You know, there's very

456
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<v Speaker 3>many different types of hair, and so we have, you know,

457
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<v Speaker 3>various zoom meetings, and we're having like zoom meetings just

458
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<v Speaker 3>for like, you know, social evenings. Before a black Birder's week,

459
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:14.759
<v Speaker 3>we would have like game nights and so like when

460
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<v Speaker 3>I have really long hair, it's like down to about

461
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<v Speaker 3>the middle of my back. When I go to work

462
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<v Speaker 3>at my regular day job, I almost always have my

463
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<v Speaker 3>hair pulled back in a ponytail. Because I figured out

464
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<v Speaker 3>very quickly, if I don't do that, white people end

465
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<v Speaker 3>up making really stupid comments, and it's just like, you

466
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<v Speaker 3>know what, I'm just have my hair down. Why are

467
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<v Speaker 3>you even talking to me for having my hair down?

468
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<v Speaker 3>That doesn't happen in black spaces. Nobody cares that your

469
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<v Speaker 3>hair is down. Everybody has some sort of type of

470
00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:45.960
<v Speaker 3>hair that is close to what yours is. Sometimes it's messy,

471
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<v Speaker 3>sometimes it's like covered in a head wrap. And in

472
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<v Speaker 3>those group chats, in those moments, in those zoom meetings,

473
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<v Speaker 3>it is normal and there's never a comment made unless

474
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<v Speaker 3>it's unless we get into a topic about talking about

475
00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:04.720
<v Speaker 3>hair care or hair care in the field. It's you're

476
00:26:04.839 --> 00:26:07.440
<v Speaker 3>just like everybody else. Yeah, you don't have to worry

477
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:12.359
<v Speaker 3>about ignorance. It's very freeing and it makes it very

478
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<v Speaker 3>comfortable and makes it feel very safe.

479
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<v Speaker 2>That's one thing that really struck me about the blackaff

480
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<v Speaker 2>live streams. That was really beautiful to see because so

481
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<v Speaker 2>often people who are black and stem are tokenized or

482
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<v Speaker 2>are on a panel where it feels like they have

483
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<v Speaker 2>to represent everyone who has ever been in science and

484
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<v Speaker 2>black at the same time, that kind of weight is

485
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<v Speaker 2>put on them, and it was really wonderful to watch

486
00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the live streams to see that kind of burden be lifted,

487
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<v Speaker 2>and to see people just be able to be completely

488
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<v Speaker 2>themselves and much more care free in a space where

489
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<v Speaker 2>they knew that they were safe. It was really such

490
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<v Speaker 2>a joy to be witnessed too, you.

491
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<v Speaker 3>Know, you know, and I mean it's a it's a

492
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:05.720
<v Speaker 3>great thing that you are even able to acknowledge that

493
00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:08.680
<v Speaker 3>because a lot of people don't even realize how how

494
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<v Speaker 3>guarded and how unsafe we feel in most spaces, because

495
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:13.480
<v Speaker 3>we are so used to kind of putting on faces

496
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:16.400
<v Speaker 3>and portraying ourselves in such a way that doesn't you know,

497
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:19.559
<v Speaker 3>upset the white gaze and other things, and so to

498
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<v Speaker 3>acknowledge to be able to see that, you know, when

499
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<v Speaker 3>when we're just being us and we're not just we're

500
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 3>we're not trying to put on a face for anybody,

501
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:29.039
<v Speaker 3>it's a whole different thing.

502
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<v Speaker 2>And I loved like that your approach to science was

503
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:36.680
<v Speaker 2>so artistic and so like zeroed in on kind of

504
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:40.319
<v Speaker 2>the beauty of things that have been overlooked, and other

505
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:44.319
<v Speaker 2>people might approach their science differently. In the Black af

506
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:48.000
<v Speaker 2>and Stem episode, Joseph submitted a clip addressing BBC and

507
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.960
<v Speaker 2>National Geographic directly saying quote.

508
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<v Speaker 3>I have yet to meet more than maybe two or

509
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<v Speaker 3>three other people with an injury like mine who are

510
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<v Speaker 3>also naturalists. This is a really good opportunity for BBC,

511
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<v Speaker 3>not GEO. If you guys are listening, you y'all, y'all

512
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:08.759
<v Speaker 3>don't have any representation for disabled people amongst your photographers.

513
00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Direct to the point and admirable. I was like, I like,

514
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<v Speaker 2>this guy, how represented do you feel in wildlife photography?

515
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<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like most working wildlife photographers are ruddy

516
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:27.359
<v Speaker 2>white dudes in car hearts, Like you know what I mean,

517
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:30.599
<v Speaker 2>Like what does that feel like? And what should it be?

518
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:35.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's it's kind of that's multi layered, so

519
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:40.240
<v Speaker 3>there's on one hands, you know, Like the comment that

520
00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:41.720
<v Speaker 3>I made when I sent in my clip, I mean

521
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.599
<v Speaker 3>that stands. There really is no representation. I don't think,

522
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:48.359
<v Speaker 3>honestly in photography period. I can't think of anybody that

523
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 3>I know that has a physical disability that is well

524
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<v Speaker 3>known in photography. In wildlife photography, I mean it's even harder.

525
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<v Speaker 3>And I mean some of that is there's a rationale

526
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.680
<v Speaker 3>to some of it, because there are some places, some

527
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:10.079
<v Speaker 3>locations that it is simply highly unlikely, if not impossible,

528
00:29:10.119 --> 00:29:12.839
<v Speaker 3>to get any kind of a wheelchair to go, and

529
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:16.920
<v Speaker 3>I accept that. What I have trouble accepting is that

530
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:19.519
<v Speaker 3>nobody is actually willing to put forth any sort of

531
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:23.720
<v Speaker 3>mental energy to create any sort of solutions or diversity

532
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:28.559
<v Speaker 3>around that, like just looking at what using myself as

533
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:35.279
<v Speaker 3>an example, Obviously, somebody with mobility limitations can get pretty

534
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.559
<v Speaker 3>good at macrophotography. Because insects are not that hard to

535
00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:42.079
<v Speaker 3>come by, at least for now. We can talk about

536
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:46.960
<v Speaker 3>the declining rate of the biomass of arthropods, which is terrifying.

537
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, quick aside, I don't want to alarm you, but

538
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I looked into it, and some scientists are calling this

539
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:58.759
<v Speaker 2>the insect apocalypse. It's very bad. So according to a

540
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 2>recent story in Science, it's daily only ten to twenty

541
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 2>percent of insects and other invertebrate species have even been

542
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>described and named, and some populations of flying insects, like

543
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:13.200
<v Speaker 2>those in parts of Germany, have declined seventy three percent

544
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:17.079
<v Speaker 2>in the last three decades. Is it because you keep

545
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:20.960
<v Speaker 2>squishing them with a kleenex and putting them in the toilet? Well,

546
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:25.160
<v Speaker 2>yes and no. There's a lot of factors, chiefly habitat loss, pollution,

547
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:29.599
<v Speaker 2>invasive species and climate change all contribute. You are sad

548
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.359
<v Speaker 2>right now, and I understand because I am too. I

549
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.599
<v Speaker 2>love a bug, Are you kidding? So what can we do,

550
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:37.759
<v Speaker 2>dad Ward? Can we kiss a bug on its tiny face?

551
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:41.359
<v Speaker 2>It's tempting, but it's not helpful. So the same Science

552
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.599
<v Speaker 2>Daily article had a tidy list of what you can do,

553
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>which I will now read off with my mouth.

554
00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:47.079
<v Speaker 3>One.

555
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Avoid mowing your garden frequently. Just let nature grow and

556
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:56.880
<v Speaker 2>feed insects You're welcome. Two plant native plants. Three avoid pesticides.

557
00:30:57.079 --> 00:31:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Four leave old trees, stumps, and dead leaves alone. That's

558
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:01.640
<v Speaker 2>where bugs live.

559
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:02.079
<v Speaker 3>Five.

560
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Build an insect hotel. Why don't you? Six reduce your

561
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:10.079
<v Speaker 2>carbon footprint in general. Seven Support and volunteer in conservation organizations.

562
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Eight don't release non native species. So if your grandpa

563
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.079
<v Speaker 2>does not appreciate the emotional support iguana you got him,

564
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.839
<v Speaker 2>do not let him release it on the patio. Nobody

565
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>wants that except the iguana and your grandpa. And lastly,

566
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:27.160
<v Speaker 2>the article said, and I quote, be more aware of

567
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:30.480
<v Speaker 2>tiny creatures. Always look on the small side of life.

568
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.759
<v Speaker 2>So appreciate the bugs, you see, they are precious and

569
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.880
<v Speaker 2>we need them. And also just superficially, they're very beautiful.

570
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Also about those conservation organizations, Joseph would love to be

571
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:44.839
<v Speaker 2>working with them on accessibility, But you.

572
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.519
<v Speaker 3>Know, it's stuff like that that is, I guess, is

573
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:49.759
<v Speaker 3>a little more frustrating. And also when you look at

574
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:54.359
<v Speaker 3>the institutional level, like I've looked at possible ways to

575
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:57.079
<v Speaker 3>get out of my current line of work and into

576
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:02.319
<v Speaker 3>something that is more conservation based, and organizations like US

577
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:05.519
<v Speaker 3>Fish and Wildlife or the various state departments, they all

578
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:09.400
<v Speaker 3>require you to have at a minimum of whatever the

579
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:13.000
<v Speaker 3>education requirements is in natural sciences. My thoughts surrounding that

580
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:16.319
<v Speaker 3>is some of these institutions are they do have people

581
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:23.960
<v Speaker 3>that are on programs or push programs about accessibility or diversity,

582
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:30.319
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, okay, but where are the people that

583
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:32.640
<v Speaker 3>actually have to use these things, because most of the

584
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:36.559
<v Speaker 3>people that I see on their accessibility programs are not

585
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:40.960
<v Speaker 3>people with accessibility limitations. Oh that's rich, that's really rich.

586
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:42.640
<v Speaker 3>Why is it necessary to make sure that they have

587
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.200
<v Speaker 3>a bachelors or masters in one of the natural sciences.

588
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:48.480
<v Speaker 3>They're working on your accessibility program, they don't need to

589
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:50.680
<v Speaker 3>know all of the other stuff, and you can teach

590
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Speaker 3>them about all this other stuff anyway, because that's what

591
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:57.000
<v Speaker 3>your entire organization is about. There's more that you can

592
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:01.440
<v Speaker 3>learn from them than anything. So exactly open up the

593
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 3>door and actually improve the overall infrastructure of your organization.

594
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:10.319
<v Speaker 2>So if there are accessibility positions out there, staff them

595
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>with folks who know the most about accessibility issues rather

596
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:18.559
<v Speaker 2>than have these stringent natural science degree requirements. So Joseph

597
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:22.720
<v Speaker 2>also told me about being part of several communities at once,

598
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.079
<v Speaker 2>something that other folks may not even consider.

599
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:29.519
<v Speaker 3>I had a talk with doctor Newberry at Bucknell University

600
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:35.599
<v Speaker 3>a while ago. We were talking about essentially black people

601
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.960
<v Speaker 3>in natural sciences and stuff like that. And the biggest

602
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.279
<v Speaker 3>thing that I said to him, or I think the

603
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:44.079
<v Speaker 3>important thing that I said to him, is when it

604
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:46.880
<v Speaker 3>comes to this momentum that that Black EFE and STEM

605
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.599
<v Speaker 3>and other organizations are creating now, is to create a

606
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:55.200
<v Speaker 3>sense of camaraderie. I don't want to have to leave

607
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:59.240
<v Speaker 3>my Black community to have my needs met as a

608
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:03.759
<v Speaker 3>disabled person. I want my Black community to be able

609
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.599
<v Speaker 3>to meet those needs. Because if I have to leave

610
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:08.000
<v Speaker 3>that Black community and I have to go to this

611
00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.000
<v Speaker 3>other one, that means that I have to start dealing

612
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:13.159
<v Speaker 3>with the anti blackness that exists within those communities, and

613
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't want that either. Yeah, it's important to me

614
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:18.320
<v Speaker 3>that as we go forward that we are creating spaces

615
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:23.960
<v Speaker 3>and opportunities for accessibility and stuff that is not something

616
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:28.679
<v Speaker 3>where we're targeting disability and where that's the overall emphasis,

617
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:31.960
<v Speaker 3>but we are simply creating a doorway for them to

618
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:34.400
<v Speaker 3>come into the larger community and to go on these

619
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:36.079
<v Speaker 3>tracks with the rest of much.

620
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Is there anything equipment wise that could be made available

621
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.480
<v Speaker 2>to people that would help with that, anything that exists,

622
00:34:43.519 --> 00:34:44.519
<v Speaker 2>anything that you wish.

623
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Exists, wish exists. Yeah, well, I mean there's stuff that

624
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:51.119
<v Speaker 3>does exist. So, and I've seen various models. The one

625
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:52.960
<v Speaker 3>that I get the most is people will send me

626
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:57.760
<v Speaker 3>this chair that they've seen that is mostly it's like motorized,

627
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:01.039
<v Speaker 3>and it's large enough that basically can push your manual

628
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<v Speaker 3>chair into it, and it basically locks into it, and

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<v Speaker 3>it has like these tank tracks ps.

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<v Speaker 2>I look this up and yes, it's like a small tank.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, on one hand, there's some rugged fund to

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<v Speaker 2>be had, but on the other and.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, what would I do with that in the

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<v Speaker 3>field other than just destroy a whole bunch of habitat

635
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<v Speaker 3>you asked me to like basically climb into a tank

636
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<v Speaker 3>and just kill all of the stuff that I'm actually

637
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<v Speaker 3>trying to see you a photograph. This giant piece of

638
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<v Speaker 3>equipment is useless to me, and that seems to be

639
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<v Speaker 3>the kind of the go to is like this whole

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<v Speaker 3>motorized thing. What I want to do is if I

641
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<v Speaker 3>ever get the opportunity, and maybe it'll come as things

642
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<v Speaker 3>with black eyefistem progresses, I would like to I would

643
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<v Speaker 3>love to sit down with an engineer who does chairs,

644
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<v Speaker 3>or maybe someone who doesn't do chairs but just actually

645
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<v Speaker 3>has access to the resources, that has enough imagination and

646
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<v Speaker 3>basically create an outdoor chair that is usable under manpower.

647
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<v Speaker 3>It's been tackled before, it would be the first time.

648
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<v Speaker 3>There are a few other things, but having played sports

649
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<v Speaker 3>being a pretty high functioning paraplegic myself, which also it

650
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<v Speaker 3>has to be taken in consideration. So I mean, if

651
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<v Speaker 3>it just because it's usable by me doesn't mean that

652
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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be usable by someone that's a quadriplegic,

653
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<v Speaker 3>you know, So that's a different hurdle and maybe a

654
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<v Speaker 3>different piece of equipment. Me being someone that loves to

655
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<v Speaker 3>be active loves to be outdoors. I need a chair

656
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<v Speaker 3>that actually can permit me the opportunity to push my boundaries,

657
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<v Speaker 3>to make me tired, to potentially get myself into some

658
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<v Speaker 3>bad situations outdoors, but also is capable enough to get

659
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<v Speaker 3>me out of those bad situations. I have some ideas.

660
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know who to kick them around to. Maybe

661
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<v Speaker 3>one day they will come knocking and I'm like, yeah,

662
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<v Speaker 3>let's make a chair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah there's any engineers listening to this? Hello? Number one?

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<v Speaker 2>Follow you on Instagram. That's Instagram dot com, Slash real

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<v Speaker 2>time on wheels. Also his website parahorpetologica dot com. It's

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<v Speaker 2>linked to the show notes. I'm just saying, because your

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<v Speaker 2>stuff amazing, sign a message that would be that would

668
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<v Speaker 2>be amazing. If if you became a pioneer of something

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<v Speaker 2>that could get more people out into nature that was

670
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<v Speaker 2>also good for nature, that would be huge. And I

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<v Speaker 2>have so I have so many Patroon questions. Can I

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<v Speaker 2>go to the Patreon questions and then I'm probably gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have a million more.

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<v Speaker 3>But hey, I am here for you. I My schedule

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<v Speaker 3>is clear for the evening. We can stay on as

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<v Speaker 3>long as you want, and you can ask all the.

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<v Speaker 2>Questions, so four part ologies. But before we get to

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<v Speaker 2>your questions, patrons, a few words from sponsors who make

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<v Speaker 2>So a donation went to them thanks to some sponsors

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<v Speaker 2>Okay to your questions. Many of you, including Hilary Larson,

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<v Speaker 2>met Tacato, teeg and Andrews, Victoria Harding, Ashley Calcoffin Carolina,

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<v Speaker 2>and Gail Greynik all asked the same one that Cora had.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to ask you patron questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>Several hundred people have questions for you. Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>So many people wanted to know about getting the perfect shot,

706
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<v Speaker 2>and essentially a lot of people want to know. This

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<v Speaker 2>is Cooru's first time asking a question what do you

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<v Speaker 2>look for in a perfect shot? And others wanted to know, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what is the longest you have ever waited just to

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<v Speaker 2>get the perfect shot of a specimen?

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<v Speaker 3>The longest I've waited with wildlife in general. It's really

712
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<v Speaker 3>only about timing, and it's kind of about luck. You know,

713
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<v Speaker 3>you got to put yourself out there enough times to

714
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<v Speaker 3>have enough opportunities to surpass the numerous failures that you're

715
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<v Speaker 3>going to endure to get and find that one creature

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<v Speaker 3>that is cooperative enough and sits still long enough for

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<v Speaker 3>you to get your photos, set it up however you

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<v Speaker 3>want to and execute it. So as far as how

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<v Speaker 3>long I've waited, I would say not very long, because

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<v Speaker 3>it's normally you go into a situation and it is okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to take a photo, and then whatever you're

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<v Speaker 3>about to take a photo of runs away, flies away,

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<v Speaker 3>says screw you. By fail, you move on to the

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<v Speaker 3>next one. So not really a whole lot of time spent.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's kind of the same thing is once you

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<v Speaker 3>get that one, and it's great that they're comfortable and

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<v Speaker 3>they just kind of chill and you get your photos

728
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<v Speaker 3>and then you're on your way. Sometimes they are semi cooperative,

729
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<v Speaker 3>and these are the ones that drive me crazy. Semi

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<v Speaker 3>quad being that they'll sit still for a second and

731
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<v Speaker 3>you'll have the shot lined up and as soon as

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<v Speaker 3>you click the shutter, they move. Why why Oh, they

733
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<v Speaker 3>drive me absolutely mad because they keep giving you hope

734
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<v Speaker 3>because they're not moving very fast, they're not fleeing from you,

735
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<v Speaker 3>they're just not staying in that same position. And so

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<v Speaker 3>you continue to readjust and reattack it and try to

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<v Speaker 3>get that shot. And I've probably spent thirty minutes to

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<v Speaker 3>an hour with probably one subject trying to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Because your depth of field is really really shallow, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So if they move literally even a millimeter, it probably

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<v Speaker 2>changes it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I mean if they move at all, Like, yeah,

743
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<v Speaker 3>it completely changes what area of the subject that's shooting

744
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<v Speaker 3>is sharp completely. Focus stacking is kind of the way

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<v Speaker 3>around that to some degree. But I mean even if

746
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<v Speaker 3>they move when you're focus stacking, if they continuously move,

747
00:41:24.719 --> 00:41:28.440
<v Speaker 3>then you're just as a well until they stop, it's like, okay,

748
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<v Speaker 3>can you just please stop? Stand there? Stay?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think your percentage is between shooting and editing?

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<v Speaker 2>So Joseph says he doesn't do much tweaking in terms

751
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<v Speaker 2>of color because he wants the natural beauty of the

752
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:44.119
<v Speaker 2>creature to really come through. But what about the sheer

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<v Speaker 2>number of images he takes? Just considering that, it takes

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<v Speaker 2>me like at least fourteen to maybe seventeen tries just

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<v Speaker 2>to get a selfie where I don't look like my

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<v Speaker 2>uncle Ron, Like, what is his ratio?

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<v Speaker 3>Many?

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<v Speaker 2>If his photos are garbage? I need numbers, But do

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<v Speaker 2>you have five thousand photographs to go through? Uh, he's

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<v Speaker 2>really good at knowing when to pull the trigger.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Practice definitely. I mean it's all practice. And I

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<v Speaker 3>mean I've got a lot of throwaway stuff, Like one

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<v Speaker 3>of these days, maybe I'll make it my post for tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll post like my very first photo that I ever

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<v Speaker 3>took of any invert and then something that's current so

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<v Speaker 3>people can like really kind of understand of this is

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<v Speaker 3>where you start and this, if you keep doing it,

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<v Speaker 3>is where you can end up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great. That'll be so encouraging for those of us

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<v Speaker 2>who have a lot of blurry photos and bugs on her.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I had tons of them, Like it's funny,

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<v Speaker 3>like ever like since you've been campaigning to get me

773
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<v Speaker 3>more followers, like other people are going through like the

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<v Speaker 3>history of my stuff and you know they're liking those,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm looking at him and I'm like cringing, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh my god, Oh, like I can't believe

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<v Speaker 3>I actually shared this thinking that somebody was going to

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate this. That is such a terrible photo. Dude.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how I feel when people like I started listening

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<v Speaker 2>to ologies from episode one, I'm like, nah, the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone feels that way. And that's it's so funny because

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<v Speaker 2>it's just that means that you're progressing. But I totally,

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<v Speaker 2>I totally get that we see our progress with such

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<v Speaker 2>in such a different lens, if you will. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>someone who follows you, Timothy Dikes, who also loves macrophotography,

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<v Speaker 2>and they asked, what macro photo did you take that

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<v Speaker 2>blew your mind once you saw the details you otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't see with your eyes. And they say, for me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been the scales of moths and butterflies, or the

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<v Speaker 2>hairs on caterpillars, or textures on beetles, and so did

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<v Speaker 2>you see any details of anything that you were.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, what? Hmm, that's a good question. I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>any immediate answer for that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, he thinks I have to tell you. Once

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<v Speaker 2>I took a photo of a daisy, and it wasn't

796
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<v Speaker 2>until I zoomed in later that I saw a perfectly

797
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<v Speaker 2>matching yellow globular springtail, which is a tiny bug with

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<v Speaker 2>a big cute butt. It looks kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>Pokemon character. I cannot stress how globular its springtail is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's perfect. So this hidden world of hallucinations is just

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<v Speaker 2>one magnification lens away.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really not about the animal itself, I think, and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe it's just because it's a pet peep of mine.

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<v Speaker 3>So sometimes when I'm approaching these really these higher magnification images,

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<v Speaker 3>is dust like, especially with these fuzzy jumping spiders, and

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<v Speaker 3>they will have like dust all over their face, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, have you just been rolling around in dirt? Well, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously you have been rolling around in dirt, but could

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<v Speaker 3>you have at least, I don't know, prepared cleaned yourself

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<v Speaker 3>before we did this. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like watching someone like eat potato chips and having

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<v Speaker 2>them in their beard. Yeah, like you get a little,

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<v Speaker 2>you get a little right right there.

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<v Speaker 3>It is exactly that. It is maddening.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. For stats, A patron says, uh, who

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<v Speaker 2>who was their response to you being on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Any good online classes? It's been a while since they

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<v Speaker 2>use their camera, but they would love to get back

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<v Speaker 2>to it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I haven't taken any classes. Well, no, that's not true.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't taken any online classes. I have taken two

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<v Speaker 3>in person classes with another macro photographer. His name is

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<v Speaker 3>Thomas Shahan. He's also in Oklahoma and His is like

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<v Speaker 3>the first work that I really kind of started to

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<v Speaker 3>look at and study. First thing I did is I

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<v Speaker 3>just started reading different concepts about lighting, composite lighting, composition, exposure,

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<v Speaker 3>how to use your camera to the fullest extent of

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<v Speaker 3>its capabilities, you know, shooting in manual instead of auto

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<v Speaker 3>or even the macro mode. The macro dial that is

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<v Speaker 3>on some cameras not quite as efficient as if you

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<v Speaker 3>were able to actually shoot with macro or in manual. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the other thing with me has just been

833
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<v Speaker 3>has been lighting, seeing what other people are doing when

834
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<v Speaker 3>it comes to lighting, how to actually get that soft light,

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<v Speaker 3>especially since I mean, when you're shooting macro you have

836
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<v Speaker 3>to have external light. You can't get around it.

837
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:26.159
<v Speaker 2>So manual settings can be even better than the pre

838
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:29.480
<v Speaker 2>programmed macro settings. And while we're all here, why not

839
00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:32.880
<v Speaker 2>let's have a quick breakdown of some macro photography terms.

840
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:36.800
<v Speaker 2>So first of all, in terms of lenses, Cannon calls

841
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:41.239
<v Speaker 2>macro lenses macro lenses, but Nikon calls the micro So

842
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:43.440
<v Speaker 2>don't get thrown off by that. I don't know why

843
00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:45.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm not here for a canon nike On feud. You

844
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:47.679
<v Speaker 2>can do that among yourselves. Now, when it comes to

845
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:50.679
<v Speaker 2>lens length, it depends on what you're shooting. So some

846
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:53.400
<v Speaker 2>experts say forty five to sixty five millimeters is good

847
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:56.920
<v Speaker 2>for product photography, ninety to one hundred and five millimeters

848
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:00.119
<v Speaker 2>good for bugs and flowers and small objects, and one

849
00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:03.159
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty to two hundred millimeters better for being

850
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:06.400
<v Speaker 2>farther away from your subjects. But we're going to talk

851
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.079
<v Speaker 2>about some super cheap hacks if you don't want to

852
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.159
<v Speaker 2>invest in a bunch of lenses for this. Also, in general,

853
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.880
<v Speaker 2>the higher your f stop, the smaller the aperture, and

854
00:47:15.920 --> 00:47:18.639
<v Speaker 2>the more crisp the details in your photo will be.

855
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:21.920
<v Speaker 2>But also the higher the f stop, the smaller the aperture,

856
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.800
<v Speaker 2>the less light you're letting in. So the longer the

857
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>aperture has to be open. But if it's open longer

858
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.760
<v Speaker 2>and your shutter speed is slow, that could lead to

859
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:35.000
<v Speaker 2>blurring if your tiny little model moves. So you can

860
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:37.519
<v Speaker 2>get around that by having a high f stop, which

861
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.440
<v Speaker 2>means a small aperture and more light like sunlight or

862
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:42.679
<v Speaker 2>a flash. What are we talking.

863
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.239
<v Speaker 3>Some of the stuff is just you're so close, so

864
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:50.199
<v Speaker 3>close to the subjects, that there's no other The natural

865
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.719
<v Speaker 3>light is not penetrating into the lens. You're too close,

866
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:55.880
<v Speaker 3>so we have to have some flash, but you have

867
00:47:55.960 --> 00:47:58.639
<v Speaker 3>to make that that flash soft so it's still appealing.

868
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:02.079
<v Speaker 3>And I just read, reading and looking at other people's

869
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:04.840
<v Speaker 3>work is kind of really the way that I've learned

870
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:09.320
<v Speaker 3>over the years in practice, practice, constantly, keep practicing.

871
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:12.880
<v Speaker 2>A bunch of patrons wanted to know how to get

872
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.840
<v Speaker 2>little critters to sit still while you're shooting them, or

873
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:19.199
<v Speaker 2>while they're like waiting in their dressing room to get shot.

874
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Micah Weir, don Ewald, May Merril, Ira Gray Thomas and Wyndham,

875
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Ashley Connen and Marika Shin all wanted to know, as

876
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:30.480
<v Speaker 2>did Charlotte Filkgard, who asked flying insects how to photograph

877
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:33.199
<v Speaker 2>them so they're sharp and snazzy and not just an

878
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:37.039
<v Speaker 2>adorable blur or it was just here now, I swear.

879
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:41.599
<v Speaker 2>They say, do you have bugs that you say will

880
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:44.559
<v Speaker 2>kind of collect and hold in like a green room,

881
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:47.599
<v Speaker 2>say until you're ready to shoot them, or do you

882
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:51.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of you shoot them just in their setting where

883
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:52.719
<v Speaker 2>they would be and you're just you kind of are

884
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.000
<v Speaker 2>out on the prowl and you shoot as you see them.

885
00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:00.000
<v Speaker 3>A little bit of both. It depends. In some case,

886
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:03.239
<v Speaker 3>is like the one that if you look at my instagram,

887
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:06.239
<v Speaker 3>the one that I posted I think yesterday, that tiger beetle.

888
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:11.599
<v Speaker 3>I definitely caught that guy. They do not sit still,

889
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 3>so I caught him. I let him settle down for

890
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:18.639
<v Speaker 3>a little bit, and after that I was able to

891
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:20.239
<v Speaker 3>approach it a little bit differently and get my.

892
00:49:20.199 --> 00:49:23.559
<v Speaker 2>Shots by the bay. If you follow Reels on Wheels,

893
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.239
<v Speaker 2>you may remember that this is a shot of a

894
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:28.960
<v Speaker 2>tiger beetle, and usually we see them from above and

895
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:33.000
<v Speaker 2>their backs are maybe greenish blue and metallic, kind of

896
00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:37.039
<v Speaker 2>clamoring around leaves like a drunk robot. But the way

897
00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:40.679
<v Speaker 2>Joseph got his shots was head on, staring straight into

898
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:45.320
<v Speaker 2>their jaws, which honestly looks like if moose antlers had

899
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:48.880
<v Speaker 2>been dipped in gun metal, just ready to gnash up

900
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:53.000
<v Speaker 2>whatever prey was unlucky enough to find itself crushed in them.

901
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.559
<v Speaker 2>And it gave me like a whole new perspective and

902
00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:58.800
<v Speaker 2>a respect for these tiger beetles.

903
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:01.039
<v Speaker 3>And they are also one of the ones that is

904
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:05.760
<v Speaker 3>absolutely masterful because at driving you crazy because you'll approach

905
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:08.840
<v Speaker 3>them and then they'll fly. But they don't fly very far.

906
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:12.599
<v Speaker 3>They will fly about six ten feet away from you

907
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.760
<v Speaker 3>where you can still see them, and it's this whole

908
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:18.079
<v Speaker 3>game of cat and mouse and you can't catch me.

909
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:20.599
<v Speaker 3>And I'm just like, okay, all right, how am I

910
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:25.320
<v Speaker 3>going to work around this one? But I mean, anytime

911
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:29.239
<v Speaker 3>that I can, I like to shoot where they are

912
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:34.000
<v Speaker 3>as they are, with as little disruption to that as

913
00:50:34.119 --> 00:50:37.360
<v Speaker 3>I possibly can. The best way that I've found to

914
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:42.800
<v Speaker 3>do that is by finding spaces where man made infrastructure

915
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:47.719
<v Speaker 3>and nature meat kind of like parks, park benches especially.

916
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Like there's one park here where there's this large walkway

917
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:57.159
<v Speaker 3>that's completely built from wood and it's covered by trees

918
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:03.199
<v Speaker 3>and underneath it all of the foliage from all the

919
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:06.320
<v Speaker 3>winters or falls past, you know, all that stuff is

920
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.679
<v Speaker 3>built up around there. So there are invertebrates everywhere all

921
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:14.280
<v Speaker 3>the time, and they're pretty desensitized to human presence, so

922
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:16.760
<v Speaker 3>you can you know, it's granted me a lot of

923
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:18.960
<v Speaker 3>experience and opportunities to continue to shoot.

924
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's amazing. That's that's such a good tip. Yeah,

925
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:26.039
<v Speaker 2>the way that the way that you can turn a

926
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:31.199
<v Speaker 2>spider into like a like a Star Wars character, almost

927
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:33.039
<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean, Like they look like

928
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:36.639
<v Speaker 2>they look like these beautiful little aliens when you see

929
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:39.199
<v Speaker 2>them closed and you see how many eyes and hairs

930
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:44.079
<v Speaker 2>and they're little, they're calisserie like. It's just amazing. Like

931
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:48.039
<v Speaker 2>your leafhopper from the other day looks like it looks

932
00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:50.760
<v Speaker 2>like a Star Wars character to man ineral life. Honestly,

933
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:55.239
<v Speaker 2>these helmety heads and the big visor eyes, they've got,

934
00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:59.960
<v Speaker 2>these gleaming robotic exoskeletons. It's the stuff of sci fi

935
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:04.960
<v Speaker 2>franchises and action figures. Now, if Joseph work has inspired

936
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.760
<v Speaker 2>you to get up close and personal with a slug

937
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:12.039
<v Speaker 2>or face to face with a winged tiny, what will

938
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:15.719
<v Speaker 2>you need less than you think? Perhaps so, Patrons Marilyn Scruck,

939
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Fanny Laura Darnell Dailey, Dames, Patrick Shaw, Katie Coast Cat, Lindsay,

940
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:23.320
<v Speaker 2>Meghan McLean, Howard Yeermish, Rachel Weiss, James Miller, Kelly King,

941
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Ariana Matson, Tino h Propo, and em all want to

942
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:29.639
<v Speaker 2>know essentially what Matthew Sparks asked, which is, do you

943
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:33.159
<v Speaker 2>have any alternate kit suggestions for beginners who really want

944
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:36.559
<v Speaker 2>to start shooting macro photography but can't afford a macro Lenz.

945
00:52:37.039 --> 00:52:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, howdy does he? So many people and you

946
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:43.559
<v Speaker 2>do not have to divulge this, but so many people

947
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:46.880
<v Speaker 2>are begging to know what kind of cameras or lenses

948
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:52.079
<v Speaker 2>or any anything gear wise that you can dish on.

949
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:55.960
<v Speaker 3>So I'm going to take one further and I'm going

950
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:59.079
<v Speaker 3>to add this. I my personal opinion is that that

951
00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:04.039
<v Speaker 3>photographer that try to hoard all of their information of

952
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.559
<v Speaker 3>how they got to where they are jerks. What you

953
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:11.719
<v Speaker 3>heard me? Okay, there's no reason not to share as

954
00:53:11.800 --> 00:53:17.199
<v Speaker 3>much information as you possibly can because at the bottom line,

955
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:22.400
<v Speaker 3>there's no two brains that think exactly alike, and there's

956
00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:25.079
<v Speaker 3>no and especially when you're dealing with wildlife, because it

957
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:27.400
<v Speaker 3>is not there to accommodate you like a model is.

958
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:30.960
<v Speaker 3>You can't instruct it on how to actually pose for you.

959
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:32.519
<v Speaker 3>You have to just get what they give and make

960
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:35.199
<v Speaker 3>the most out of that situation. And no two scenarios

961
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:40.039
<v Speaker 3>like that are going to be exactly alike. So I

962
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:44.400
<v Speaker 3>can impart whatever knowledge I want and whatever skill that

963
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:47.320
<v Speaker 3>a person is willing to actually gain for themselves through practice,

964
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:49.320
<v Speaker 3>and our photos are still not going to be the

965
00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.239
<v Speaker 3>same photos. So there's no reason not to share it.

966
00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:56.360
<v Speaker 3>I shoot now. I started with a Canon T five I,

967
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:59.400
<v Speaker 3>which is a Rebel series, which is an introductory DSLR.

968
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:04.840
<v Speaker 3>I now shoot with the Canon ninety D significant upgrade

969
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:08.719
<v Speaker 3>in resolution, like I could print massive prints of my

970
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.679
<v Speaker 3>images of tiny things, and that was the whole reason

971
00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:15.719
<v Speaker 3>that I got the camera. Canon also offers mirrorless. I'm

972
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:19.119
<v Speaker 3>not trusting mirrorless yet because Canon is new to mirrorless,

973
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:23.440
<v Speaker 3>so I'm waiting to see what that that period is

974
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.840
<v Speaker 3>and see how it's received by other photographers.

975
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:28.519
<v Speaker 2>By the bye, I looked it up for us, and

976
00:54:28.599 --> 00:54:30.920
<v Speaker 2>a Rebel body you can get used for less than

977
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:34.159
<v Speaker 2>two hundred bucks, so that's good. And when he says mirrorless,

978
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:38.039
<v Speaker 2>that's as opposed to a DSLR camera, and a DLSLR

979
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:43.039
<v Speaker 2>stands for digital because snow film single lens reflex, which

980
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:44.840
<v Speaker 2>means that there's a mirror in the back of the

981
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:48.000
<v Speaker 2>camera and it bounces the image through the lens up

982
00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:50.880
<v Speaker 2>through a prism through the viewfinder into your eye. And

983
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that means when you hit the button to take the picture,

984
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:55.760
<v Speaker 2>the mirror has to flip out of the way and

985
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.599
<v Speaker 2>it lets the shutter behind it open and the sensor

986
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:03.000
<v Speaker 2>records the visual information, So that is what those click

987
00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:07.000
<v Speaker 2>noises are in press conferences. That's the mirrors clicking and

988
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:10.880
<v Speaker 2>clicking in a camera. Now you know now mirrorless cameras,

989
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:14.119
<v Speaker 2>those rely instead on a mirror to put it through

990
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:15.719
<v Speaker 2>a prism, to put it through a viewfinder to go

991
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.679
<v Speaker 2>in your eye. They rely on a digital preview, which

992
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:20.599
<v Speaker 2>could have a little bit of lag time. Also, there

993
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:24.599
<v Speaker 2>are some differences between auto focuses. But if nothing else, now,

994
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:28.639
<v Speaker 2>when you hear your phone making that shutter clicking noise,

995
00:55:28.800 --> 00:55:30.800
<v Speaker 2>you'll think about how weird it is that they had

996
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:33.719
<v Speaker 2>to record the sound of a mirror flipping up to

997
00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:35.280
<v Speaker 2>tell you that your picture took.

998
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I like Venus Optics or LAWA. I think it's Laowa.

999
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:51.119
<v Speaker 3>They are. They manufacture lenses and they really seem to

1000
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:54.639
<v Speaker 3>cater to macrophotographers. They have a wonderful assortment of stuff.

1001
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:57.559
<v Speaker 3>What a lot of their lenses are manuals, so they

1002
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:00.360
<v Speaker 3>don't have electronic aperture settings. So you really have to

1003
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:04.880
<v Speaker 3>know your gear and know how it's actually manipulated by

1004
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:08.159
<v Speaker 3>hand rather than within the camera itself. So that's essentially

1005
00:56:08.199 --> 00:56:11.119
<v Speaker 3>what I gues. I think I have five or six

1006
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:13.440
<v Speaker 3>different macro lenses. If you're just starting out, you can

1007
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.719
<v Speaker 3>get a basic like kit lens, and if you get

1008
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:19.840
<v Speaker 3>a reversible ring that you can attach to your camera,

1009
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:23.239
<v Speaker 3>you can flip that lens around, attach it to the lens,

1010
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:27.000
<v Speaker 3>and it essentially in versus the optics. So you basically

1011
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:29.760
<v Speaker 3>have like a macro lens that will get a lot

1012
00:56:29.800 --> 00:56:32.960
<v Speaker 3>closer than say like a regular fifty or sixty milimeter

1013
00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:34.239
<v Speaker 3>would what.

1014
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:38.079
<v Speaker 2>You can flip a lens around backwards and use it

1015
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:40.679
<v Speaker 2>that way. It's like Glenion you can take your shirt

1016
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:42.199
<v Speaker 2>off and wear his pants.

1017
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:44.639
<v Speaker 3>That's one thing that Thomas Shahan, like one of the

1018
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:47.119
<v Speaker 3>guys that I've learned from, used to do because he's

1019
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:55.039
<v Speaker 3>he's a hardcore like budget or thrift thrift seeker. He's

1020
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:58.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm a gearhead, like they call it. I love new

1021
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:00.840
<v Speaker 3>gadgets and toys and being in to play with stuff.

1022
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:06.920
<v Speaker 3>But if you're not in that position, just get any

1023
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:09.559
<v Speaker 3>camera that you can get your hands on, get a

1024
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:12.159
<v Speaker 3>reversible ring so that you can actually attach that to it,

1025
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:17.239
<v Speaker 3>or just shop around for cheap used macro lenses. You

1026
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:20.920
<v Speaker 3>can usually find them at fairly affordable prices and work

1027
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:22.960
<v Speaker 3>on your lighting. You need diffuse light.

1028
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So a speed light is that flash attachment that

1029
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:29.119
<v Speaker 2>clicks on top of the camera but point it directly

1030
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:31.119
<v Speaker 2>at a little critter, And it's kind of like taking

1031
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:34.480
<v Speaker 2>a picture of yourself under a bay of fluorescence. You

1032
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:36.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of want to soften it a little bit, just

1033
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.039
<v Speaker 2>diffuse it. You want your crickets to feel handsome.

1034
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:43.719
<v Speaker 3>Right now, I'm experimenting with a piece of foam and

1035
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:46.480
<v Speaker 3>basically cut a hole out of this sheet of foam

1036
00:57:47.079 --> 00:57:49.880
<v Speaker 3>that my lens fits through, and so my flash that's

1037
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:54.480
<v Speaker 3>on top of the camera, and so when the flash bursts,

1038
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:56.800
<v Speaker 3>it is essentially diffused through this piece of foam, so

1039
00:57:56.840 --> 00:57:58.519
<v Speaker 3>it spreads it out more and then it's soft for

1040
00:57:58.599 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 3>once it actually reaches the subject.

1041
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

1042
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:04.519
<v Speaker 3>And it's really easy. But I mean, the phone is cheap.

1043
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:06.639
<v Speaker 3>You know. If I mess one up, I just go

1044
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:08.960
<v Speaker 3>cut out and make another one. It's not the most

1045
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:12.039
<v Speaker 3>environmentally friendly because phone kind of sucks, and there's other

1046
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:14.159
<v Speaker 3>ways to kind of just do it yourself. I have

1047
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:18.360
<v Speaker 3>a friend of mine who took like an old cereal box,

1048
00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:21.639
<v Speaker 3>formed it so that it actually fit over his speed light,

1049
00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:24.079
<v Speaker 3>over the flash on the camera, and then he covered

1050
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:29.280
<v Speaker 3>the cereal box with a bunch of plastic bags. Oh,

1051
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:33.679
<v Speaker 3>and that's his light diffuser. That's amazing, you know, it's

1052
00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:37.800
<v Speaker 3>really it's literally endless. Thomas Sheahan. He he takes like

1053
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:43.119
<v Speaker 3>a plastic sheet like your paper protectors, like eight you know,

1054
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:45.760
<v Speaker 3>eight by eleven paper protectors, and then he puts a

1055
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:50.119
<v Speaker 3>bunch of like tracing paper into that, and then he

1056
00:58:50.199 --> 00:58:53.960
<v Speaker 3>takes a like a wire hanger to actually create his

1057
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:55.559
<v Speaker 3>his outer ring of it so he can shape it

1058
00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:59.079
<v Speaker 3>however he wants to. And that's his light difuser. It's

1059
00:58:59.119 --> 00:59:02.800
<v Speaker 3>literally do what you want. It's yeah, you know, do

1060
00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:04.880
<v Speaker 3>it yourself. If you can build stuff around the house.

1061
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:10.119
<v Speaker 3>There's all kinds of options. But I would still stress

1062
00:59:10.159 --> 00:59:12.000
<v Speaker 3>that if you're going to do it, make sure the

1063
00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:15.840
<v Speaker 3>light is right. The light is important. Get spend spend

1064
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:17.840
<v Speaker 3>some time getting the light right. I'm ready for my

1065
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:18.360
<v Speaker 3>close town.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people wonder Leanne, Leanna Schuster, Ellen Silva,

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00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Meghan Walker, Sylvia Treverio, Ellen, drnal Tino ha brought Bow,

1068
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Chelsea Nichols, Rachel Sor and Rachel de Growth all kind

1069
00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:36.840
<v Speaker 2>of we're wondering, is there anything on your iPhone that

1070
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:40.280
<v Speaker 2>you could do if you just want to maybe make

1071
00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:44.440
<v Speaker 2>your time in the park a little bit more macro friendly.

1072
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:47.800
<v Speaker 2>If you're if you're not aspiring to say Justice Saunders

1073
00:59:48.039 --> 00:59:51.039
<v Speaker 2>levels of amazingness, but you want to put something on

1074
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:53.039
<v Speaker 2>your phone like an Olio clip? What are you anything

1075
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:54.159
<v Speaker 2>like that that you recommend?

1076
00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:59.400
<v Speaker 3>I I can't recommend anything based on experience. I don't

1077
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:02.599
<v Speaker 3>want to have any of that attachments to my phone.

1078
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:05.960
<v Speaker 3>I do know there so we A friend of mine

1079
01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:09.760
<v Speaker 3>puts on a moth night where he basically puts a

1080
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:12.599
<v Speaker 3>bunch of lights around this area and spreads out these

1081
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:15.920
<v Speaker 3>sheets and it collects all kinds of bugs. It's great.

1082
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:19.199
<v Speaker 3>And I know one guy, he doesn't have a camera,

1083
01:00:19.280 --> 01:00:20.960
<v Speaker 3>he has a phone. He has attachment to his phone

1084
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:22.519
<v Speaker 3>and that's what he uses the ground and he shooes

1085
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:26.760
<v Speaker 3>moths and he gets an excellent perspective on what they are.

1086
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:32.199
<v Speaker 3>You know, it is a really incredible device to be

1087
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:35.480
<v Speaker 3>able to get a very clear photo that is up

1088
01:00:35.480 --> 01:00:40.159
<v Speaker 3>close to very small things. Since it is attached to

1089
01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:42.199
<v Speaker 3>your phone, it's going to be really difficult to get

1090
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:45.639
<v Speaker 3>the lighting and exposure or have as much control over

1091
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:49.199
<v Speaker 3>that as someone shooting a DSLR with speed light and

1092
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:53.199
<v Speaker 3>flash diffusion wood. But if you just want to learn

1093
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:57.320
<v Speaker 3>more about the tiny world that we exist in, because

1094
01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:59.800
<v Speaker 3>it's really this is the bugs planet, where are They're

1095
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:04.280
<v Speaker 3>just loudness to be a part of it, I would

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01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:07.559
<v Speaker 3>strongly recommend that I honestly, to some degree, I miss

1097
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:11.800
<v Speaker 3>it because I still remember when I first started shooting. No,

1098
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:14.480
<v Speaker 3>I was just running around taking pictures of anything, yeah,

1099
01:01:14.519 --> 01:01:17.559
<v Speaker 3>trying to get something that just looks sharp, because that's

1100
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:19.320
<v Speaker 3>that's where you start. You try to get, you know,

1101
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:21.519
<v Speaker 3>something sharp, and then you work on the exposure, and

1102
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:24.119
<v Speaker 3>then you work on the composition, and then you work

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01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:26.360
<v Speaker 3>on the lighting, and then you et cetera, you know,

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01:01:26.800 --> 01:01:27.199
<v Speaker 3>down the.

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01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Line, and now you're up to some level where you

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01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:33.239
<v Speaker 2>can capture like a jumping spider having one slow tear

1107
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:36.800
<v Speaker 2>running out of its eye, that it like both loneliness

1108
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:41.960
<v Speaker 2>and regret. You've like your subjects of Meryl Streep and

1109
01:01:42.039 --> 01:01:46.480
<v Speaker 2>like a moment of contemplation. It's amazing.

1110
01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:51.679
<v Speaker 3>So but at the same time that does limit me

1111
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:54.480
<v Speaker 3>because I spend more time on each individual one and

1112
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:56.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm not just running around taking photos of every little

1113
01:01:56.679 --> 01:02:00.599
<v Speaker 3>thing that I see, because I limit myself based on

1114
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:02.000
<v Speaker 3>the quality of the photo that I can.

1115
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Get Also, can I just say that everyone needs to

1116
01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:09.239
<v Speaker 2>have a friend that puts on a moth party, Like,

1117
01:02:09.280 --> 01:02:11.760
<v Speaker 2>if you don't have a friend, if you're not on

1118
01:02:11.800 --> 01:02:13.719
<v Speaker 2>a group chat with at least one person who's like,

1119
01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I've got the black light in the sheet? Where are

1120
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:17.440
<v Speaker 2>we meeting? Like you need new friends?

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01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:21.119
<v Speaker 3>No kidding, Like as long as as long as I've

1122
01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:24.159
<v Speaker 3>been doing this, I've I've only met him just last year,

1123
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:28.639
<v Speaker 3>and it's it's fun. Actually, there's a photo that's on

1124
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:32.519
<v Speaker 3>my Instagram of a horsefly and aw yes, I know

1125
01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:34.880
<v Speaker 3>that one that was actually taken at the first moth

1126
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:38.400
<v Speaker 3>night that I went to, And like the moths, they

1127
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:40.880
<v Speaker 3>frustrate me, so they land on the sheet and the

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01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:42.760
<v Speaker 3>only thing, the only photo that you're going to get

1129
01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:46.119
<v Speaker 3>it any of these moths is just a plain dorsal

1130
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:51.119
<v Speaker 3>photograph that is really good for identification. And that's kind

1131
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:55.280
<v Speaker 3>of about it from a photographer's perspective. So they're going

1132
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:59.119
<v Speaker 3>crazy over moths because he loves moths, and I'm all

1133
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:01.039
<v Speaker 3>for it. I love is in enthusiasm about it, but

1134
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:03.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm you know, running around in other places looking for

1135
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:07.159
<v Speaker 3>something else that is perched up somewhere else. Actually, the

1136
01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:10.480
<v Speaker 3>leaf hopper was a photographed at the last one that

1137
01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:10.960
<v Speaker 3>I went to.

1138
01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, oh great news. National Moth Week July

1139
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:20.800
<v Speaker 2>eighteenth through twenty eighth. Nice by the way. For more

1140
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.320
<v Speaker 2>on this, see Nationalmothweek dot org, or you can follow

1141
01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Twitter dot com slash moth Underscore Week. So just when

1142
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.719
<v Speaker 2>you thought that summer parties were canceled, there's always you

1143
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:33.880
<v Speaker 2>and fifty bucks. That is a thing. Yeah, you're able

1144
01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:37.800
<v Speaker 2>to get a lot of like facial angles too, And

1145
01:03:37.960 --> 01:03:41.039
<v Speaker 2>is that a matter of you having to move your

1146
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:43.599
<v Speaker 2>lens to them or can you kind of like gently

1147
01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:47.599
<v Speaker 2>urge them with a pencil to like face here, darling both.

1148
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:50.519
<v Speaker 3>You know, if you can move, if you move yourself,

1149
01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:56.599
<v Speaker 3>that is the preferred idea. Sometimes they are just a

1150
01:03:56.639 --> 01:03:59.000
<v Speaker 3>little bit off and you want them to sit just

1151
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:01.960
<v Speaker 3>like so to get the angle that you want. The

1152
01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:04.079
<v Speaker 3>best way to go about doing that is not to

1153
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:07.760
<v Speaker 3>use any part of your own body. Because there's something

1154
01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:12.960
<v Speaker 3>about human touched. They recognize it as something to get

1155
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:18.000
<v Speaker 3>away from. I will find like the stem of a

1156
01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:21.119
<v Speaker 3>leaf or something that is much smaller than them and

1157
01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:23.920
<v Speaker 3>just very gently tried to coax them over into a

1158
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:27.519
<v Speaker 3>different location. And that I have much greater success with that.

1159
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh smart. So they're like, Okay, this leaf just wants

1160
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:31.559
<v Speaker 2>me to be yah.

1161
01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:33.239
<v Speaker 3>This was like, oh, I know what that is. That's

1162
01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:35.039
<v Speaker 3>that's not going to mean. This is fine.

1163
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:39.480
<v Speaker 2>It can't feel your heart beat for your fingertips with

1164
01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:45.159
<v Speaker 2>a hunger for mods. Let me see. Okay. I love

1165
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:49.360
<v Speaker 2>this question. Several people asked it, Kathleen Sachs, Josie Gambas,

1166
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:54.320
<v Speaker 2>kat Lindsay, Adrian Hollister, and Nicole Wackery because they asked

1167
01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:59.519
<v Speaker 2>it verbatim the exact same question, literally, what has been

1168
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:03.719
<v Speaker 2>your favorite animal to photograph? And Nicole Bonus question any

1169
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:05.400
<v Speaker 2>critters that give you the creeps?

1170
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:11.719
<v Speaker 3>Hmm? Favorite animal to photograph? How specific are we going going? Like?

1171
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:13.039
<v Speaker 3>Species specific or.

1172
01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Sure like even if you're like I met one. Her

1173
01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:19.199
<v Speaker 2>name was Julie. She was a mantis. Like, I'm all

1174
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:22.039
<v Speaker 2>in as specific as you want to get. I love

1175
01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:22.639
<v Speaker 2>them too.

1176
01:05:23.079 --> 01:05:23.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

1177
01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I had a pet, one named Mirabelle, and she died.

1178
01:05:26.039 --> 01:05:27.440
<v Speaker 2>We had an open casket funeral.

1179
01:05:27.519 --> 01:05:29.519
<v Speaker 3>I have three mantises right now.

1180
01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Now are those like the orchid ones

1181
01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:33.760
<v Speaker 2>that I've been seeing you photograph?

1182
01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:36.920
<v Speaker 3>I do have the there is a young It wasn't

1183
01:05:36.920 --> 01:05:40.239
<v Speaker 3>an orchid. It was a spiny Asian spiny mantis.

1184
01:05:40.280 --> 01:05:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, oh my gosh, beautiful.

1185
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:43.559
<v Speaker 3>Is one of those recently. That was when it was

1186
01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:45.760
<v Speaker 3>still very young. It's an adult now, okay.

1187
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:48.719
<v Speaker 2>So imagine a mantid that looks like something from a

1188
01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:53.079
<v Speaker 2>Ridley Scott fever dream. Just huge shiny eyes and sharp

1189
01:05:53.079 --> 01:05:57.000
<v Speaker 2>angles and spines. It's chilling and tiny and elegant.

1190
01:05:57.519 --> 01:05:59.280
<v Speaker 3>I have the green ghost mantis. I think there's a

1191
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:05.000
<v Speaker 3>photo of them. And I have an African twig mantis.

1192
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:06.719
<v Speaker 3>I haven't posted a photo of him yet, but he's

1193
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:07.760
<v Speaker 3>pretty cool.

1194
01:06:07.239 --> 01:06:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Which is the one that looks like it is like

1195
01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:17.239
<v Speaker 2>an alien. The one that has like, oh my gosh,

1196
01:06:17.360 --> 01:06:19.920
<v Speaker 2>those ones look like a leaf growed face and then

1197
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:23.119
<v Speaker 2>became a supermodel. Oh the cheekbones amazing.

1198
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:26.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I've had three varieties of those. I have

1199
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:29.360
<v Speaker 3>two photos up there of my black one. She was

1200
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:31.280
<v Speaker 3>the first one that I ever got. She has since

1201
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:35.119
<v Speaker 3>passed away because they have a very short life span. Unfortunately,

1202
01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:40.320
<v Speaker 3>they only live about twelve to eighteen months. She was

1203
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:43.239
<v Speaker 3>just at over about twelve months. Mantids are amazing. I

1204
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:45.840
<v Speaker 3>love to find them and see them, especially in the wild.

1205
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:48.159
<v Speaker 3>I really wish there was a greater diversity of mantids

1206
01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:49.920
<v Speaker 3>in Oklahoma. I think when we have like one, no,

1207
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:52.440
<v Speaker 3>we have two species that I'm aware of. And then

1208
01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:56.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm obviously jumping spiders because oh, I don't know how

1209
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:00.000
<v Speaker 3>anybody doesn't love jumping spiders. Like it's at this point

1210
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:03.840
<v Speaker 3>I understand. I kind of get, you know, an uneasiness

1211
01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:07.880
<v Speaker 3>about spiders, which sort of answers the other question. So

1212
01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:11.519
<v Speaker 3>I've got I actually started with a little more uneasiness

1213
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:13.440
<v Speaker 3>about spiders. And then there was one night that I

1214
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:15.559
<v Speaker 3>was in the park and there was this massive hole

1215
01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:17.760
<v Speaker 3>in a tree, and I was just like, I just

1216
01:07:17.920 --> 01:07:20.840
<v Speaker 3>know there's going to be one night that I'm going

1217
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:22.719
<v Speaker 3>to shine that hole in the tree and there's going

1218
01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:26.400
<v Speaker 3>to be something in it near it, or something else

1219
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:30.239
<v Speaker 3>is going to freak me out from the one behold.

1220
01:07:30.320 --> 01:07:34.519
<v Speaker 3>One night I was leaving the park. It was behind me,

1221
01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:36.360
<v Speaker 3>but I remember that it was there. I turned around

1222
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:41.119
<v Speaker 3>to shine my light and there was a fishing spider.

1223
01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:44.159
<v Speaker 2>Quick aside, how do you describe a fishing spider? It

1224
01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:47.679
<v Speaker 2>is not little. These things pluck fish out of the

1225
01:07:47.719 --> 01:07:49.360
<v Speaker 2>water and they eat them like corn.

1226
01:07:49.400 --> 01:07:53.880
<v Speaker 3>On the cob oh, and the leg span on this

1227
01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:57.719
<v Speaker 3>fishing spider was equal to my hand, and my hands

1228
01:07:57.760 --> 01:07:59.559
<v Speaker 3>aren't small. I can pull them a basketball. And if

1229
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:01.880
<v Speaker 3>it kind of get it was some like some perspective.

1230
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:04.800
<v Speaker 3>It was a big spider, and I was like, there's

1231
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:08.480
<v Speaker 3>no way I cannot take a photo of this. I

1232
01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:12.119
<v Speaker 3>have to rise up to the equation. And I had

1233
01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:14.119
<v Speaker 3>to like kind of coach myself into this to kind

1234
01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:15.920
<v Speaker 3>of get close. I was like, if this thing jumps

1235
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:19.119
<v Speaker 3>off that tree and onto my face, I'm going to scream.

1236
01:08:19.479 --> 01:08:21.960
<v Speaker 3>But I'm going to do this anyway, even though that's

1237
01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:26.600
<v Speaker 3>maybe a possibility in my imagination, and I did. The

1238
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:29.840
<v Speaker 3>photos are terrible because this was very early on and

1239
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:34.119
<v Speaker 3>I'm I desperately want to find another one so that

1240
01:08:34.159 --> 01:08:35.920
<v Speaker 3>I can do this again, because and now I'm like, okay,

1241
01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:37.880
<v Speaker 3>now it's been like five years, I'm ready for you.

1242
01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Now you're like rematch, dude.

1243
01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:43.640
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, nothing ill came of it, Like I

1244
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:45.560
<v Speaker 3>don't think she moved at all, Like and I'm certain

1245
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:47.239
<v Speaker 3>she was a female just because of the size. I mean,

1246
01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:50.520
<v Speaker 3>there's sexually dimorphic males are usually very tiny. She was

1247
01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:51.479
<v Speaker 3>a massive spider.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, I just got to struck. I just saw a

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01:08:56.520 --> 01:08:57.640
<v Speaker 3>jumping spider on the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know which one it kind of is?

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01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:07.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure it's the Maybia inclements because so my

1253
01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:11.359
<v Speaker 3>partner she keeps dart frogs and tree frogs, so we

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01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:15.520
<v Speaker 3>feeded a lot of feeder insects, and so I transplant

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01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:18.520
<v Speaker 3>jumping spiders into the house because I have a partner

1256
01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:20.800
<v Speaker 3>that's awesome and lets me do that, and they keep

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01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:22.880
<v Speaker 3>the fruit fly count low.

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01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:24.479
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's smart.

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01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Do you have Do you have like a dream assignment

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01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:30.000
<v Speaker 2>or project that you would want to work on. Would

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01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:35.479
<v Speaker 2>it be to kind of like infiltrate not Geo's ranks

1262
01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:38.680
<v Speaker 2>and have assignments for them. Would you want to publish

1263
01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:42.680
<v Speaker 2>a book? Is there anything that you really want to

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01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:44.960
<v Speaker 2>do with your photography that would be like a dream

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01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:45.159
<v Speaker 2>for you?

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<v Speaker 3>So I would absolutely jump with the chance to work

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01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:55.000
<v Speaker 3>for someone like nat Geo. So dream assignment though my

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01:09:55.199 --> 01:10:00.159
<v Speaker 3>dream would to be able to host like a gallery

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01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:04.159
<v Speaker 3>of my images on balls. But I want to do

1270
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:07.520
<v Speaker 3>this in the hood. I don't want to do this

1271
01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:10.880
<v Speaker 3>in some I mean I would take the opportunity if

1272
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:13.800
<v Speaker 3>it was at some sort of prestigious location or anything

1273
01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:18.439
<v Speaker 3>like that at all. But I want black children from

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01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:20.600
<v Speaker 3>my neighborhood to actually see this and to take an

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01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:24.680
<v Speaker 3>interest in it, and to actually see themselves reflected in

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01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:27.159
<v Speaker 3>the work that I do and consider it a possibility

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01:10:27.199 --> 01:10:30.399
<v Speaker 3>for their own futures. That's my dream opportunity is. I

1278
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:34.319
<v Speaker 3>want them to have access to what I do because

1279
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:37.960
<v Speaker 3>I know my doorway into this, coming from a middle

1280
01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:41.680
<v Speaker 3>class military family, is different than what some of my

1281
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:48.199
<v Speaker 3>black peers experienced earlier in their lives. So more than anything,

1282
01:10:48.399 --> 01:10:49.760
<v Speaker 3>that's what I want.

1283
01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Again. He just set up his Patreon yesterday, so if

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01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:56.239
<v Speaker 2>you want to see shots he doesn't show on the

1285
01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:59.560
<v Speaker 2>rest of the internet, go to patreon dot com slash Jdmonroe.

1286
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I am like begging him to do a calendar one day,

1287
01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:06.760
<v Speaker 2>but he's plotting his next move so like even.

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01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:10.760
<v Speaker 3>Through like the week of Blackbird's Week, And I probably

1289
01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:14.520
<v Speaker 3>now even as much as praise and that I've been getting,

1290
01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:18.199
<v Speaker 3>as much as I appreciate it, like many of my peers,

1291
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:21.880
<v Speaker 3>I still deal with imposter syndrome. I'm like, am I

1292
01:11:22.039 --> 01:11:23.760
<v Speaker 3>actually as good as some of the people that I

1293
01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:25.720
<v Speaker 3>used to look up to? Like? Am I there? Yet?

1294
01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:28.600
<v Speaker 3>So the whole idea of like printing, selling, and doing

1295
01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:30.960
<v Speaker 3>all these things with my photos. I'm like, I just

1296
01:11:31.079 --> 01:11:33.439
<v Speaker 3>like to take pretty pictures of bugs. And I know,

1297
01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:36.560
<v Speaker 3>I know, I don't burden me with all of the

1298
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:40.840
<v Speaker 3>other logistics of like being a professional and dealing with money.

1299
01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:43.720
<v Speaker 3>Like to just give me like a really big bag

1300
01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:45.439
<v Speaker 3>of money or something, and I'll just do all of

1301
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:47.800
<v Speaker 3>this for sort of free, so that I don't actually

1302
01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:49.760
<v Speaker 3>set prices and stuff. Oh.

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01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:51.640
<v Speaker 2>My other question from earlier was do you have any

1304
01:11:51.680 --> 01:11:53.840
<v Speaker 2>idea what bird that is singing in the background, because

1305
01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:54.560
<v Speaker 2>I know people are going.

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01:11:54.520 --> 01:11:55.720
<v Speaker 3>To ask me what a bird?

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01:11:56.760 --> 01:12:00.000
<v Speaker 2>There was a bird earlier and no idea the background.

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01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:02.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, here with me. Yeah, that was not a bird.

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01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:08.159
<v Speaker 3>That was a frog. That was a frog. Ah, what

1310
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:12.960
<v Speaker 3>kind of frog was that? That was either a dendro

1311
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.920
<v Speaker 3>babies rotis Okay, He wasn't.

1312
01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Sure exactly which frog it was because his awesome partner

1313
01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:21.520
<v Speaker 2>has five species of poisoned dart frog and four species

1314
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:24.520
<v Speaker 2>of tree frog. That is nine more species of frogs

1315
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:26.880
<v Speaker 2>than I get to live with. And yes, I want

1316
01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:29.119
<v Speaker 2>to be friends with her two so bad. That's amazing.

1317
01:12:29.159 --> 01:12:30.640
<v Speaker 2>I thought that they were birds out the window, but

1318
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:32.680
<v Speaker 2>I even I love it even more now that I

1319
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:34.399
<v Speaker 2>know that it's a frog. That's amazing, Because I knew

1320
01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:38.840
<v Speaker 2>people were gonna ask me. Also, I wanted to ask,

1321
01:12:38.960 --> 01:12:42.319
<v Speaker 2>do you have any advice for people that you wish

1322
01:12:42.560 --> 01:12:46.239
<v Speaker 2>you had known earlier or when you were younger, anything

1323
01:12:46.239 --> 01:12:48.880
<v Speaker 2>that you wish you had a voice like yours?

1324
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:54.319
<v Speaker 3>Man? That is that is a heavy one, wow, so

1325
01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:58.439
<v Speaker 3>one For black children that are raised in non black homes,

1326
01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:03.479
<v Speaker 3>it is perfectly within your right. It is not only

1327
01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:05.000
<v Speaker 3>within your right, but it is good for you and

1328
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:08.960
<v Speaker 3>necessary for you to understand that your life and your

1329
01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:13.720
<v Speaker 3>experiences and even your personhood is different from other people

1330
01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:19.239
<v Speaker 3>in your family. You do not have to limit yourself

1331
01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:23.760
<v Speaker 3>or push yourself to try to fit in or to

1332
01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:28.039
<v Speaker 3>lower or lessen your blackness to make them comfortable. Not

1333
01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:33.560
<v Speaker 3>even your family. Live in your blackness, love your blackness,

1334
01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:36.479
<v Speaker 3>wear it with pride, and if they cannot accept that,

1335
01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:40.399
<v Speaker 3>move around it and find people who will. Because your

1336
01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:44.119
<v Speaker 3>blackness is not going to go away. This country especially

1337
01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:48.079
<v Speaker 3>will remind you of it the rest of your life,

1338
01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:51.880
<v Speaker 3>especially when you are away from them. So learn to

1339
01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:54.479
<v Speaker 3>love it, learn to live in it, learn to defend it,

1340
01:13:54.600 --> 01:13:56.279
<v Speaker 3>and learn to defend others as well.

1341
01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:57.840
<v Speaker 2>This dude is awesome.

1342
01:13:58.359 --> 01:14:02.319
<v Speaker 3>As far as disability test boundaries, don't be your favor

1343
01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:05.319
<v Speaker 3>to test for boundaries. And I mean that applies to

1344
01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:07.880
<v Speaker 3>not even people with just disability, as that's anybody. You know,

1345
01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:11.199
<v Speaker 3>if you have the ability to do something, see how

1346
01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:13.199
<v Speaker 3>far you can go with it. And if you fail,

1347
01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:15.880
<v Speaker 3>if it goes too far, if you get yourself into trouble,

1348
01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:20.600
<v Speaker 3>take a serious look at it, assess it, and then

1349
01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:24.520
<v Speaker 3>make a create a new approach to it. Like I mean,

1350
01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:26.960
<v Speaker 3>when I'm in the field, it isn't like a lot

1351
01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:29.479
<v Speaker 3>of people are always worried about accessibility and stuff and

1352
01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:33.359
<v Speaker 3>my safety and like I fall down, I've fallen out

1353
01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:35.399
<v Speaker 3>of my chair looking for something. I get out of

1354
01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:38.319
<v Speaker 3>my chair to catch stuff sometimes, you know, it isn't

1355
01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:40.479
<v Speaker 3>like something that is like literally completely attached to me.

1356
01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:45.479
<v Speaker 3>There's a person that is, you know, not completely dependent

1357
01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:47.920
<v Speaker 3>upon the chair. I can move around. Chair just makes

1358
01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:50.960
<v Speaker 3>it a lot easier. Don't worry about my safety or

1359
01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:53.319
<v Speaker 3>my well being. Be a friend if I need help.

1360
01:14:53.680 --> 01:14:55.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to get myself into trouble because I want to,

1361
01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:00.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, be the friend that is actually supportive of

1362
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:00.960
<v Speaker 3>that process.

1363
01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:03.439
<v Speaker 2>Don't be a friend who's trying to impose limits on you.

1364
01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:06.399
<v Speaker 2>That's great. Oh, last questions, I always ask, what is

1365
01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:11.479
<v Speaker 2>one thing about your photography that is the most annoying

1366
01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:15.840
<v Speaker 2>or the thing that you dislike the most. You mentioned

1367
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:20.239
<v Speaker 2>crumbs on spider hairs, But is there is there anything

1368
01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:25.640
<v Speaker 2>that anything that frustrates you, either from like a micro

1369
01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:28.000
<v Speaker 2>or a macro perspective.

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01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:32.960
<v Speaker 3>Not really. The thing I guess with photography with me

1371
01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:37.479
<v Speaker 3>is that it's it's my escape from everything, you know,

1372
01:15:37.720 --> 01:15:44.199
<v Speaker 3>with this is what I do when things like the

1373
01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:47.520
<v Speaker 3>murder of George Floyd and everything else become too much,

1374
01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:50.560
<v Speaker 3>when I need to just kind of set that down

1375
01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:58.439
<v Speaker 3>and take a break and be a person that does

1376
01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:01.399
<v Speaker 3>a thing, And so I grab my camera and I

1377
01:16:01.479 --> 01:16:04.560
<v Speaker 3>go out and some usually as much as I can,

1378
01:16:04.600 --> 01:16:11.000
<v Speaker 3>into some solitary place, and I try to create something

1379
01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:15.800
<v Speaker 3>that is worth appreciating. There really isn't a whole lot

1380
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:19.359
<v Speaker 3>about that process that, you know, I find too cumbersome.

1381
01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:22.760
<v Speaker 3>That mean, maybe maybe it's just the actual act of

1382
01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:26.840
<v Speaker 3>carrying it around, I think more than anything. Because you know,

1383
01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:29.920
<v Speaker 3>once you with like micro photography, like you have your

1384
01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:32.119
<v Speaker 3>camera and if you shoot like a DSL lar it's

1385
01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:34.399
<v Speaker 3>a larger camera and you have your speed light, and

1386
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:37.520
<v Speaker 3>depending on the size of your light diffusion system, you know,

1387
01:16:37.560 --> 01:16:39.680
<v Speaker 3>that also takes up space, and so it can get

1388
01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:41.560
<v Speaker 3>a little bit clunky and difficult to carry around a

1389
01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:46.199
<v Speaker 3>little bit. But that's really it. No part of the

1390
01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:49.239
<v Speaker 3>process is too much, other than maybe, you know, like

1391
01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:52.000
<v Speaker 3>the occasional tiger beetle, it doesn't want to sit still

1392
01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:54.239
<v Speaker 3>and just likes to fly away five feet at a

1393
01:16:54.319 --> 01:16:57.039
<v Speaker 3>time just to let you know that he's faster than

1394
01:16:57.119 --> 01:16:59.760
<v Speaker 3>you and that you can't catch me if he doesn't

1395
01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:04.359
<v Speaker 3>want you too. But I mean, even then, you know

1396
01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:08.039
<v Speaker 3>that still has a value because even if I don't

1397
01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:10.640
<v Speaker 3>get a photo, I'm still you know, that's still lived experience.

1398
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:12.159
<v Speaker 3>I still got to see it. Even if I don't

1399
01:17:12.159 --> 01:17:13.760
<v Speaker 3>get to share it with anybody else, I still got

1400
01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:17.199
<v Speaker 3>to observe its behavior. I get to ponder of you know,

1401
01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:19.800
<v Speaker 3>why is it flying only a few feet away and

1402
01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:23.039
<v Speaker 3>insisting on staying in this area. And the reason that

1403
01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:26.000
<v Speaker 3>it is is because there's a smugsborg of other smaller

1404
01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:28.039
<v Speaker 3>insects that it is preying upon. At that moment. He's like,

1405
01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:31.600
<v Speaker 3>I am not leaving this buffet. I will escape from you,

1406
01:17:31.640 --> 01:17:33.479
<v Speaker 3>but I'm going to continue to eat.

1407
01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Also, while on the topic of flying insects, what gives

1408
01:17:37.439 --> 01:17:41.199
<v Speaker 2>him butterflies about wildlife photography? What does he love the most?

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01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:43.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if anything really gives him butterflies, but

1410
01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:47.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean just the possibility of the next image. It's

1411
01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:51.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, even when you've done something and like you're

1412
01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:55.479
<v Speaker 3>finished with it and you can appreciate it, there's there's

1413
01:17:55.560 --> 01:18:00.600
<v Speaker 3>always room to get better. Or even like it even

1414
01:18:00.680 --> 01:18:06.199
<v Speaker 3>pretends that there's this notion about photography that there's only

1415
01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:08.279
<v Speaker 3>so high you can go, you can only get so good.

1416
01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:11.159
<v Speaker 3>Let's just say that there was an actual a cap

1417
01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:13.720
<v Speaker 3>on that. Even if there was a cap on that

1418
01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:17.000
<v Speaker 3>with wildlife photography, even with that cap in place, that

1419
01:18:17.079 --> 01:18:21.079
<v Speaker 3>imaginary cap in place, there's a limited, a finite number

1420
01:18:21.159 --> 01:18:24.199
<v Speaker 3>of situations that you're going to find yourself in in

1421
01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:28.000
<v Speaker 3>your entire life, even if you're doing wildlife photography every

1422
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:30.640
<v Speaker 3>day for your entire life, that you're going to find

1423
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:33.000
<v Speaker 3>yourself in to be able to actually create that shot.

1424
01:18:34.920 --> 01:18:37.760
<v Speaker 3>So you know, it's just it's the possibility of things

1425
01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:42.680
<v Speaker 3>that just keeps you going. You never know, like like

1426
01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:45.600
<v Speaker 3>I come up with different ideas or thoughts of compositions

1427
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:47.840
<v Speaker 3>when I'm just kind of sitting in that house. I'm like, Okay,

1428
01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:50.600
<v Speaker 3>I want to take a picture like of this species

1429
01:18:51.319 --> 01:18:54.279
<v Speaker 3>and this kind of an environment for this location. It's

1430
01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:59.119
<v Speaker 3>just an endless number of possibilities and hoping that by

1431
01:18:59.159 --> 01:19:02.720
<v Speaker 3>the time I'm done and dead that whatever it is

1432
01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:08.640
<v Speaker 3>that I create will have an impact that goes on

1433
01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:09.319
<v Speaker 3>past my.

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01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Life already has already has. Really just the beauty of

1435
01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:17.479
<v Speaker 2>your work inspires so many people to look at their

1436
01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:22.640
<v Speaker 2>world differently, and the passion behind the way you approach

1437
01:19:22.680 --> 01:19:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the natural world and also sociology and the human experience

1438
01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:31.319
<v Speaker 2>and the black experience and your advocacy for that is Yeah,

1439
01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:34.399
<v Speaker 2>I think you have already changed so many lives.

1440
01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:36.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, we're not done yet, Black AF and STEM is

1441
01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:40.119
<v Speaker 3>just getting started, and who knows what's going to come

1442
01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:44.199
<v Speaker 3>of that. I'm looking forward to it because this is

1443
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:47.159
<v Speaker 3>something that I won't set up until recently that I

1444
01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:48.640
<v Speaker 3>kind of dreamed about it and even know if it

1445
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:51.239
<v Speaker 3>would actually come be something that would come to fruition

1446
01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:56.520
<v Speaker 3>within my lifetime. So I'm already elated at what we

1447
01:19:56.520 --> 01:20:01.560
<v Speaker 3>were able to do with Black Brother's Week, and I

1448
01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:03.239
<v Speaker 3>don't I don't expect it to be the case, but

1449
01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:06.439
<v Speaker 3>even if we were unable to achieve anything else, I

1450
01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:10.840
<v Speaker 3>would be happy that that exists. I am happy that

1451
01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:13.159
<v Speaker 3>I exist, that that was an experience that I will

1452
01:20:13.159 --> 01:20:16.159
<v Speaker 3>never forget, even if there is even if there was

1453
01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:20.319
<v Speaker 3>nothing else that was similar to it in the future.

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01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, you guys are just going to start it,

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<v Speaker 2>are you kidding? This is like watching an empire being built.

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<v Speaker 2>It's beautiful, It's really great. Yeah. So I'm well, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just here. I'm here on the sidelines cheering you on.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a huge fan such like a like a very

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<v Speaker 2>authentically huge fan of your work. It's just gorgeous. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>such a huge fan of it, and I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 2>that you took some time out to talk to me. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is amazing. I can't wait to put this up.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just it's such an honor to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for letting me be your fan. If I'm

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<v Speaker 2>ever in Oklahoma, I hope maybe we can go out Herpan.

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<v Speaker 3>Or inverting glad to I mean, I've got extra space here.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm never one to not take an adventure when the

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity shows it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm there. Well, thank you so so much for

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<v Speaker 2>doing this. So ask smart, talented people, earnest questions, and

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<v Speaker 2>most importantly, listen to what they have to say, and

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<v Speaker 2>follow them on Instagram at Reels on Wheels for some

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely gorgeous, life changing macro photos of some of the

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<v Speaker 2>world's most overlooked beauties. So thank you Joseph for letting

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<v Speaker 2>us look through your lens. Also, if you are working

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<v Speaker 2>from home and maybe spending less money at coffee shops,

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<v Speaker 2>consider becoming a patron of Joseph's. If even a sliver

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<v Speaker 2>of you tossed him a few bucks a month for

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<v Speaker 2>all the free photos that he gives the world, you

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<v Speaker 2>would afford him more time in the field, doing what

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<v Speaker 2>he loves the most and making me your dad so happy.

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<v Speaker 2>And his brand, brand, brand new Patreon page is linked

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<v Speaker 2>in the show notes. It's patreon dot com slash j

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<v Speaker 2>D Monroe. He set it up today, y'all. I was

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<v Speaker 2>his first first patron. Shout out to his wonderful partner

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<v Speaker 2>Haley for helping with that. You can also buy his prints.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get more info that is all on his

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<v Speaker 2>website at paraherpetologica dot com. There is a link right

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<v Speaker 2>in the show notes. Definitely go visit that he's on

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter at Twitter dot com, slash Jdmonroe two ten that

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<v Speaker 2>will be in the show notes, and while you're there,

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<v Speaker 2>also follow black af and Stem They're great. There's also

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<v Speaker 2>so many more cool weeks coming up, like Blacktoweek, Black

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<v Speaker 2>Herper's Week at Black inneuro is another account that's just launched,

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<v Speaker 2>and black in Neurowek is July twenty seventh through August second.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't forget. Mothweek is this week, so get yourself a

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<v Speaker 2>light in a sheet. See who shows up to your

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<v Speaker 2>bug party. We are at Ologies on Twitter on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm at Ali Ward with one L on both ologiesmerch

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<v Speaker 2>if you want my name on your actual butt who doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Ologies merch dot com is managed by Shannon Fealtis and

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<v Speaker 2>Bonnie Dutch. They are two very hilarious sisters. Who hosts

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<v Speaker 2>the comedy podcast You Are That. Aaron Talbert admins the

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<v Speaker 2>Haven of a Facebook group. Emily White and all the

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<v Speaker 2>Ologies transcribers make transcripts available at Alleyward dot com. Slash

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<v Speaker 2>Ologies to dash extras and the link to those are

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<v Speaker 2>in the show notes. Special thanks to everyone who's ever

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<v Speaker 2>helped transcribing making those episodes accessible to deaf and hard

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<v Speaker 2>of hearing ologites and anyone who needs great descriptions of

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<v Speaker 2>the sound effects in writing. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>doing that. Caleb Patten bleeps episodes to make them kids safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are available at the same link. And Noel Dilworth

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<v Speaker 2>helps with all my scheduling. Kelly Dwyer helps with the

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<v Speaker 2>website updates. Jared Sleeper does assistant editing and is just

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<v Speaker 2>a top notch human being. And thank you, of course

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<v Speaker 2>to Herbert at Heart Dino and Kat enthusiast host of

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast, c Jurassic Wright and the percast our lead

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<v Speaker 2>editor Stephen Ray Morris, who's just a gem of a gent.

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<v Speaker 2>Nick Thorburn wrote and performed the theme music. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you stick around to the very very end, right, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm just about to flick the lights on at

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<v Speaker 2>one fifty nine am in a bar and send folk scurry.

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<v Speaker 2>Right before I do it, I tell you a secret

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of each episode, and this week it's

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<v Speaker 2>that I went for a walk in my neighborhood and

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<v Speaker 2>I found a crow roost. I've heard that there's a

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<v Speaker 2>crow roost somewhere within like a three mile radius of here.

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<v Speaker 2>I see the crows flying at night, and I found

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<v Speaker 2>the crow roost. Y'all, there's a thicket of eucalyptus trees

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where the crows all sleep. And I went

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<v Speaker 2>there and there were crow feathers all over the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>I got so excited because they just shed them and

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<v Speaker 2>they fall off while they sleep. Anyway, I know where

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<v Speaker 2>the crows sleep, and I just want to stand under

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<v Speaker 2>the trees and offer them a basket full of breakfast peanuts.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know what time crows get up, but

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's pretty early. Okay, stay safe where

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<v Speaker 2>I ask, look a bug in the face and tell

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<v Speaker 2>it it's beautiful.

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