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Everything's there. 21 00:01:50,239 --> 00:01:52,760 I want to welcome everyone back to the Peking Yona's show. 22 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:55,280 I'm here with Father Emmanuel Lemelson. 23 00:01:55,599 --> 00:01:58,599 Speaker 2: Are you doing father, Thank god, Peter doing very well 24 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,319 and very happy to join your show. Thank you so 25 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:01,239 much for the invite. 26 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: Of course, of course you were just you just appeared 27 00:02:04,439 --> 00:02:09,400 on my friend Buck Johnson's podcast. And yeah, we're going 28 00:02:09,439 --> 00:02:13,199 to talk about a different subject than you guys talked about. 29 00:02:13,479 --> 00:02:16,919 But before we do that, please introduce yourself. 30 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, my name's Father Emmanuel Lemmelson. I'm a Greek 31 00:02:21,439 --> 00:02:25,960 Orthodox priest, but I'm also an activist investor. I'm also 32 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,479 a writer. We have a sub stack that we recently 33 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:31,000 started that you can see there below my name Lemmelson 34 00:02:31,039 --> 00:02:34,719 dot subseac dot com. And I've been a priest for 35 00:02:34,759 --> 00:02:36,879 I guess about fifteen years, but had a life prior 36 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,639 to that as an entrepreneur and an academic. As a 37 00:02:39,879 --> 00:02:42,280 young person, I thought i'd be a teacher, a professor, 38 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,479 something of that nation. But life took me in a 39 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,639 different place. And I'm as an orthodoxposure like many author exposures, 40 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,599 I'm actually married with a family. So for the Catholics 41 00:02:50,599 --> 00:02:52,719 out there, it may seem a little different, but most 42 00:02:52,719 --> 00:02:53,840 of our clergy are married. 43 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: You sent me a video that I guess it was 44 00:02:57,319 --> 00:02:59,680 an interview you did, but it's actually well produced and 45 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:02,199 it looks like the first minute in fifty five seconds 46 00:03:02,479 --> 00:03:05,960 is a really good introduction. This isn't something I normally 47 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,520 do on the show, but I think this is a 48 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,840 good way to kick off the kickoff the conversation. So 49 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,280 let me play this absolute. 50 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: Let's get some popcorn, all right? You trusted the market, 51 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:20,879 You believed injustice. 52 00:03:21,039 --> 00:03:24,159 Speaker 3: Hey Nicola shares or tumbling after a short seller called 53 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:28,080 the company quote an intricate fraud built on dozens of lives. 54 00:03:29,159 --> 00:03:34,879 Speaker 2: Then the unthinkable, A giant fellow billions vanished Trevor Milton, 55 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,479 a name whispered then shouted across Wall Street. In a 56 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,919 lifetime of listening to stories about innocent people wrongly prosecuted, 57 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:48,360 I have never heard anything like what happened to Trevor Milton. 58 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:52,000 He cried foul, a quote hit piece. He called it 59 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:56,400 a deep state conspiracy orchestrated by quote evil forces. 60 00:03:56,639 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 3: So as short seller, as a person or a fund 61 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,360 that actively bets against you, that your stock is going 62 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:08,840 to collapse, so unlike a regular investor that buy shares 63 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,439 and they hope that the stock goes up. Short sellers 64 00:04:11,479 --> 00:04:15,479 buy shares and they force it down. So it's like 65 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,879 a it should be it should be completely illegal. 66 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 4: What was your reason for partning, Trevor Milton? 67 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: But what if the very architects of the accusation were 68 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:28,399 the true manipulators? What if that quote hit piece was 69 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:29,399 a spotlight? 70 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 4: Did a world drowning and distorted narratives? One unlikely voice 71 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,480 rises a man who exposed the real corruption. Shen't understands. 72 00:04:37,519 --> 00:04:41,319 They're play abook, the lies, the leverage, the ruthless quest 73 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:41,800 for power. 74 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: This guy, he's a Greek Orthodox priest, able to work 75 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:46,360 and be a man of the cloth. 76 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,399 Speaker 5: This is actually kind of like the opposite of Wolf 77 00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:51,199 of Wall three, where he was Belfert was trying to 78 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,759 like promote the stocks and then sell out before everyone 79 00:04:53,759 --> 00:04:56,160 else did. This is you know, the you know, the 80 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,319 inverse of that, where you're you're taking a short position, 81 00:04:58,319 --> 00:05:00,959 you're betting against and then trying to put to push. 82 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 2: The stock down silenced for good, kill the messenger. They 83 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,560 will fight, they will deceive, because when the truth is 84 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:17,600 an inversion, nothing is as it seems. This is part one. 85 00:05:18,759 --> 00:05:23,199 Speaker 6: Yeah, well that was a lot, Yeah, just a little 86 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,759 bit going on there, I remember that Trevor Milton episode 87 00:05:27,319 --> 00:05:29,319 why don't you, Why don't you kick in and give 88 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,920 some background about you know exactly what we're gonna talk 89 00:05:32,959 --> 00:05:33,399 about here. 90 00:05:34,759 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, So when I saw that Trevor Milton episode on 91 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,519 Tucker Carlson, I was I woke up in the middle 92 00:05:41,519 --> 00:05:43,040 of the night and just it came up in my 93 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,240 feat or something on X and I started watching. I 94 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,480 was outraged because Milton was being presented as this sort 95 00:05:49,519 --> 00:05:52,839 of faultless guy. Now, I'm not here to pass judgment 96 00:05:52,879 --> 00:05:55,439 on on there, relitigate his case. He was already found 97 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,439 guilty of fraud and he was exonerated by Trump speak. 98 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:04,120 But what really, you know, drove me nuts is that 99 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,600 the lawyer he hired to help get him cleared was 100 00:06:07,639 --> 00:06:10,160 Brad Bondi, the brother of the sitting Attorney General Pam Bondi, 101 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,839 who incidentally was the same lawyer responsible for my unlawful prosecution. 102 00:06:15,879 --> 00:06:20,199 And I was struck by Milton because one, I mean, 103 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,279 reading the reports on his conduct in his history, it 104 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:25,560 looks to me like the jury probably got it right 105 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,040 in his case. And I wanted to find I wanted 106 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,360 to be a sympathetic fewer. Frank, you got to understand that, 107 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,439 you know, the saying the enemy of my enemy is 108 00:06:32,439 --> 00:06:34,199 my friends. So we're talking about the US government here, 109 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,959 not shedding any tears for the US government, But this guy, 110 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,399 I mean, what he was doing was unbelievable. And for 111 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,639 Tucker to come on and basically say the short sellers, 112 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,800 who do some of the best research out there, are 113 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,160 these bad dudes who are manipulating RT is just so 114 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,560 far removed from the truth. It just was infuriating. But 115 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,879 getting back to Bondie, you know, BONDI will deny this. 116 00:06:56,959 --> 00:06:58,439 He'll say, oh, he had nothing to do with Trevor 117 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,759 Milton's pardon, but I'm very suspect of that. I would 118 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,079 bet if I had to that he was one hundred percent, 119 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,680 one thousand percent the person responsible for his pardon, and 120 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,600 as I said, same person responsible for ensuring that I 121 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,360 spaced ten years of unlawful prosecution by the US government 122 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,000 for exposing a fraud in the pharmaceutical industry. So, you know, 123 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:19,800 to the extent your listeners are interested in what really 124 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:22,439 is the deep state? You know, it's not it's not 125 00:07:22,519 --> 00:07:25,959 a theory. It's not this thing that people think might exist. 126 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,839 I've sat across the table from this Bondie character, and 127 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,319 I know how that family operates. And you know what, 128 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,839 the Epstein files coming up again in the public purview, 129 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,000 and this problem of aolage redacted files. It just reminded 130 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,120 me when I was exposing the Ligen fraud, that the 131 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,480 particle comes called Ligen pharmaceuticals, the fraud I exposed, and 132 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,240 I just remember Brad Bondi redacting all these files and 133 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:49,800 clawing them back and hiding the fraud so that this 134 00:07:49,839 --> 00:07:53,600 sort of unlawful prosecution could move forward. Anyways, Ultimately, I 135 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:58,560 took on the government one after over a decade and 136 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:01,800 spent a pits compared to Milton. Milton spent apparently like 137 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,519 one hundred and eighty million dollars. It's both of Nichola's 138 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,879 cash and his own. You know, he cashed out almost 139 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,959 a billion dollars from the IPO created no real enduring value. Obviously, 140 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:14,199 Nicola went bankrupt but lost. And he's on Tucker Carlson 141 00:08:14,639 --> 00:08:17,120 crying like a little baby basically, and Tucker is a 142 00:08:17,319 --> 00:08:20,079 sympathetic guy. I'm thinking, what is going on here? This 143 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,439 is ridiculous. So it's a complete inversion of the truth. 144 00:08:23,439 --> 00:08:24,600 And I watched I just got in fear. I'm like, 145 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:26,399 you know, I'm going to make a podcast episode about that. 146 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:28,240 It was intended to be a three part episode. That 147 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:29,800 was part one. We never actually got to part two 148 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,920 and three. I might still make them, but I just thought, 149 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,519 I know your listeners might be interested in the story 150 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,879 because this Bondie family, they're like the definition of parasite 151 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:41,639 on our government and on our society. The harm they 152 00:08:41,639 --> 00:08:43,720 do from the shadows. You know, a lot of people 153 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,039 don't know. Nobody really knew Pam Bondi very well prior 154 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,279 to her appointment as the Attorney General unless you followed 155 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,080 the Epstein saga in Florida before it became a national headline. 156 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,399 But the way they operate, these people in the shows, 157 00:08:55,399 --> 00:08:58,039 these attorneys, they're they're not really political operatives, believe they 158 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,159 or not. I mean they are sort of in a way, 159 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:00,679 but they don't take up political position I think I 160 00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:03,080 should care about anything. Their Their god is actually money 161 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,879 in power, and they'll they'll probably sell not probably, they'll 162 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:08,200 sell their own mother actually to increase their power or 163 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,440 their money. So I have first hand experience with the 164 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,799 same players involved in the Nicola saga. Uh the Levelson 165 00:09:14,919 --> 00:09:17,720 versus the US government not as well known, but just 166 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,159 I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that episode that Techer 167 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,080 Carlson produced. He might be a good guy, I don't know, 168 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,519 but he got it dead wrong on that episode. 169 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: One thing you said there short selling, Yeah, I mean 170 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,159 I understand what short selling is. It's betting against the 171 00:09:35,799 --> 00:09:39,879 you know, you believe that a stock, a stock or future, 172 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,919 any kind of instrument is going to go down, so 173 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,879 you se so you you borrow money to sell it. Basically, 174 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:50,840 that's well, you borrow your security, You borrow the security 175 00:09:50,919 --> 00:09:53,080 to sell it. You may remain to do that, but 176 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,679 right you bar the security, you sell it. There's a 177 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,440 difference between doing that and doing things like like what 178 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,440 the who is a guy? Uh, I can't remember the 179 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:13,240 the billionaire zionist who talker is always talking about Bill Ackman, Yeah, who. 180 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,679 Purposely they will seek to destroy a company's you know, 181 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,559 short the stock and then seeks to destroy a company's 182 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:27,320 reputation in order to you know, make make millions and 183 00:10:27,399 --> 00:10:32,279 billions off of that. I mean shorts. There's a difference 184 00:10:32,279 --> 00:10:35,000 between short selling me sitting here and saying, you know, 185 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,200 I think I think Apple is going down, so I'm 186 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,519 going to bet against it, and somebody who has the 187 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,679 powers absolutely destroy the reputation of a company, thus tanking 188 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,200 the stock, tanking a stock that they've already shorted to 189 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:47,080 the two to millions. 190 00:10:47,159 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: Right, Well, you're leaving one thing out of that, You're 191 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,440 leaving out accounting fraud. Now you're referring probably to one 192 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:00,559 of his more high profile shorts, which was Verbal Life. 193 00:11:00,879 --> 00:11:03,440 And look, I'm not a huge fan of Bill Ackman. 194 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,080 I think he's a pretty smart guy. I also thinks 195 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:06,679 kind of a pretty boy. I mean, I don't know, 196 00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:09,919 he's looks like that, really soft hands, but I'm not 197 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:12,080 here to judge. The bottom line is he was actually 198 00:11:12,159 --> 00:11:15,559 in on the pharmaceutical jig that I was shorting. So 199 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:18,639 his investment he was long Valiant, which had the exact 200 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,720 same business models like in pharmaceutical And I'll tell you 201 00:11:21,759 --> 00:11:25,240 these sobs in the pharmaceutical industry, they prey on the 202 00:11:25,279 --> 00:11:28,759 sick and the dying, the most vulnerable in our society. Now, 203 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:31,840 you might say, what's a priest doing on Wall Street? Fine, 204 00:11:32,039 --> 00:11:34,360 I get it, but you know, because that brings up 205 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:36,320 the issue of usury and Christianity and the whole history 206 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:37,799 and all that. Let's put that aside for a minute. 207 00:11:38,159 --> 00:11:40,240 But if you come across an accounting fraud and you're 208 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,080 a fiduciary, first of all, you have a civic, moral, 209 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,919 and ethical responsibilit to expose it. Now, if you're also 210 00:11:46,919 --> 00:11:50,120 a fiduciary overseeing capital and you're let me tell you something. 211 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,679 With the accounting frauds, the chickens always come home to roost. 212 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:56,720 They're actually guaranteed returns when you're right. So if you're 213 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:58,639 a fiduciary, you're ever seeing capital, and you come across 214 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:01,039 a fraud, then you've got a responsibility, if a ducial 215 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,799 responses to your investors, to also short it. So I 216 00:12:04,799 --> 00:12:07,440 always wonder when people criticize short stays so well they 217 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,120 just trash companies, ruined their reputation. If that company is 218 00:12:10,159 --> 00:12:12,879 a fraud, you're not trashing or ruining their reputation. You're 219 00:12:12,919 --> 00:12:16,000 exposing the fraud. And in fact, the Gospel says have 220 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,879 nothing to do with the fruitless acts of darkness, rather 221 00:12:17,919 --> 00:12:21,679 expose them. So Bill Acktin plays both sides of it. 222 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,840 As far as I can tell, he was actually right 223 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,840 about herbal life, though he lost a fortune on it. 224 00:12:26,159 --> 00:12:28,200 I agree with him. Herbal life was a pyramid schame, 225 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,240 praying on vulnerable customers. If you can call him that, 226 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,120 I should call him victims actually. But then he was 227 00:12:36,159 --> 00:12:40,600 completely indifferent on his valiant investment, which also lost a fortune. 228 00:12:41,159 --> 00:12:42,840 So he knew what he was buying in value. You know, 229 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,519 he testified for Congo. I didn't know what was going 230 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,519 on the drug price increase, had no idea. Give me 231 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,399 a break. The guy is not dumb. He's a lot 232 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:51,200 of things, but he's not dumb. And so you know, 233 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,320 I don't like that kind of investing where you take 234 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,759 no moral position on anything. And you know, sometimes I 235 00:12:56,799 --> 00:12:59,000 think you can tell the people who are take the 236 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,159 least the comoral stand pete by how wealthy they become 237 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,799 because they're compromising all along the way. It's the guys 238 00:13:06,799 --> 00:13:10,519 who won't compromise who don't make billions because they put 239 00:13:10,519 --> 00:13:12,120 their foot down when they come across from that's wrong. 240 00:13:12,159 --> 00:13:14,159 And no matter what the cost is, they're not willing 241 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,279 to be silenced. 242 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: No, it makes sense that if you find out that 243 00:13:18,519 --> 00:13:25,759 a company is committing fraud, which at this point I 244 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,080 have to wonder how many big companies aren't well. 245 00:13:30,279 --> 00:13:32,159 Speaker 2: I always say we're living in a golden age of fraud. 246 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,879 It's gotten out of hand. It's embarrassing. It's a totally 247 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,639 embarrassing place. I mean our country. We used to care, 248 00:13:40,039 --> 00:13:43,159 we used to have guidelines. We've got a completely corrupt regulator. 249 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:46,039 They see it's the most corrupt regulator in the US government. 250 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:48,840 That's that's a remarkable statement, given the fact that DC 251 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,639 is such a swamp. But the NEC has powers that 252 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,240 no other branch of government has. They can silence speech. 253 00:13:56,159 --> 00:13:58,480 Most people don't know that. It's really really unique. They 254 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,279 were given a statute by Carns called ten B and 255 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,120 they created a rule from well, they were given a 256 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:04,639 piece of legislation called ten BE and they made it 257 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,200 rule ten B five, which allows them to sound. So 258 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,240 that's why CEOs are so careful in convience calls, what 259 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:11,799 they say, what they don't say. The SEC can silence people, 260 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,080 and they try to silence me. And let me tell 261 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,200 you something. You know, Plato once said, there's nobody more 262 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,120 hated than he who speaks the truth. All you have 263 00:14:20,159 --> 00:14:22,519 to do to get the government's wrath upon you speak 264 00:14:22,559 --> 00:14:26,080 the truth. And there's so much broad it's so endemic, 265 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,399 you know what. I wrote open letters to Congress about 266 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,320 the ligand fraud. The company went on to collapse like 267 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,000 seventy eighty percent, lost billions of dollars. Shareholders got wiped out. 268 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:38,720 It was a total blood bath. But these the executive 269 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,960 management team, John Higgins, the CEO, and a lot of 270 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,240 his executives were able to sell tens of millions of 271 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,159 dollars the stock before the stock crash because Brad Bondi 272 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,200 co opted the government to hide their fraud. So while 273 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,639 they publicly accused me of being one of these short 274 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:54,679 sellers you're describedment they call short and distored is the 275 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:56,799 term for it, where you're putting up misleading information to 276 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,639 crash and stock price, when in fact I was putting 277 00:14:59,679 --> 00:15:01,759 out the most the best research on the company you 278 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:04,080 could find anywhere. In the fraud they were committing, they 279 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,879 actually insulated the ligan fraud, got the seat to publish 280 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,440 completely and knowingly false information about their financial condition. The 281 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,480 insiders all sold and the thing collapsed. Go figure. 282 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: How much it's that corrupt. 283 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,679 Speaker 2: It's that corrupt, It's so bad. If you saw the 284 00:15:21,679 --> 00:15:23,759 heart of Wall Street from where I've sit, what I've seen, 285 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,360 you might never ever go near it again. 286 00:15:27,559 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: How much shortened a store goes on almost none. 287 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:33,919 Speaker 2: There's been four shortened store cases brought by the SEC 288 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,480 since its inception. The other I was. I think I 289 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:39,399 was the fourth one. Maybe I was the fifth. We 290 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:42,679 researched all we introduced almost we've researched almost a thousand cases. 291 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,480 Very rare. They all have the same profile. Usually somebody 292 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,559 publishes under a pseudonym, meaning they don't you don't know 293 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:52,759 who's publishing it. They will use derivatives to amplify the leverage, 294 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,679 and they'll hold the position, usually for about fifteen minutes 295 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,759 after a breaking news type story. So, for example, the 296 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,960 other three cases are like this. Somebody comes out and says, 297 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,240 the CEO of Microsoft was just assassinated on Twitter, and 298 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:09,559 like just moments before that, he takes out all these options. 299 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,159 Right on the stock price went down, He disseminates such 300 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,559 of fifty analysts on Wall Street. The stock crashes, he 301 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:17,840 covers it makes a killing, disappears, nobody knows who he is. 302 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:21,200 He to do the pseudonym. I published under my own name, 303 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:25,000 held my position for four months, published fifty five pages 304 00:16:25,039 --> 00:16:28,039 of research, made over nine hundred allegations of business accounting 305 00:16:28,039 --> 00:16:31,360 and securities fraud, including two open letters to Congress hid nothing. 306 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,919 They couldn't find anything wrong. They had to lie and 307 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,840 manipulate to try to make it appear as if I said. 308 00:16:38,039 --> 00:16:39,039 And by the time we got to trial, you know 309 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,039 what they had told the jury. They said it might 310 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,679 be accurate or true statements, but it's still misleading. What 311 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,759 the hell does that mean? When was accurate and true misleading? 312 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,440 Accurate and true cannot be misleading. I was charged for 313 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:51,720 statements admitted by a company I never necessariated in. 314 00:16:51,879 --> 00:16:53,759 Speaker 1: That sounds extremely Talmudic to me. 315 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:57,559 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's I'm going to tell you something interesting. 316 00:16:57,799 --> 00:16:59,639 I don't I don't want to say I can anti Semite. 317 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:03,440 I'm I'm not. But all the lead prosecutors in that 318 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:08,200 case were. They were Jewish. They also were very anti Christian. 319 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,000 They're also are extremely liberal left. The whole SEC at 320 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,359 that time had become an infestation of LGBTQ ideology, rainbow 321 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,440 flags everywhere, and inclusion parties, and and you're asking, what 322 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,319 does this have to do with policing markers now? But 323 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,039 in all fair, I'm gonna say my lawyers were also 324 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:24,640 some of my owers are also Jewish, and they were 325 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,279 great lawyers. I'm just want to put that on the record. 326 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:32,480 I had a great lead litigator representing me, and so 327 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,640 you know, the the the whole thing though like at 328 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,480 the SEC, like it was so anti Christian, like like 329 00:17:39,519 --> 00:17:41,599 they leaked Brad, they leaked to Brad Bondi, who had 330 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,000 like a hit piece written about me a Wall Street 331 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:44,920 Journal and Bloomberg and like Bloomberg Polish and are like 332 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,200 three big crosses on Golgatha and like they would be 333 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,079 asking me questions like do you think you're Jesus Christ? 334 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,640 Like what does this have to do with my research 335 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,559 report on the Ligen fraud? You know, it was like 336 00:17:53,599 --> 00:17:58,960 it was insane, like absolute insanity. Pete and the CEO 337 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,480 of that coming in I'm going back him for a second. 338 00:18:00,519 --> 00:18:04,160 John Higgins and his IR rep this guy named Bruce Wasss. 339 00:18:04,519 --> 00:18:06,720 I remember sitting in the trial and uh, one of 340 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,759 my lords in Oredan goes, He's like, these guys are 341 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:11,319 totally gay. I'm like, wow, you know, I think he's right. 342 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,480 It never never occurred to me. I Mean the guy's 343 00:18:13,519 --> 00:18:15,160 blaming gay and so I realized I have this like 344 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,039 they're like in their fifties, they're like these angry gay men. 345 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:21,319 They like they hate the church. Probably. They certainly hated me, 346 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:25,839 and you know, I'd expose their fraud and they were 347 00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:28,559 able to successfully visa v BRADBONDI co opt the entire 348 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,480 US government to try to silence me. When I say silence, 349 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:34,440 I don't throw that word around lightly, Peter. We uncovered 350 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,480 an email during discovery from the executive's company saying, Lemelson, 351 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:41,640 this is a quote needs to be silenced for good. 352 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,880 What does that mean to you? That's how Akos talks. 353 00:18:46,079 --> 00:18:48,440 That's what you're dealing with now. Incidentally, and you can 354 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,839 look this up online. I'm sorry. 355 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:56,599 Speaker 1: Well, when you say casstra, I'm like, well, because. 356 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, it has one meaning. 357 00:18:57,599 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you know it's an ethnic mob. 358 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:05,079 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I guess so. But any mafia could talk 359 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,759 that way. It could be the Asian mafia could journey 360 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,319 and anyway. The point is that a guy who lived 361 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,400 not far from where I lived in Vermont at the time, 362 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:15,480 had my legal first name. My legal name is Gregory, 363 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,440 my baptismal like THESS names of Emanuel, his name was 364 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,440 Gregor Gregory Davis. You can look him up. Family man, 365 00:19:22,519 --> 00:19:25,680 just like me, beautiful children, same age. In his forties, 366 00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:29,079 he was a whistleblower on another pharmaceutical company, just like me. 367 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,039 I submitted five whistler reports on Ligen. Now, the XEC 368 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,599 says they protect whistleblowers and these people at Ligan who 369 00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:39,400 had all sorts of conflicts of interest, the co heads 370 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,640 of enforcement at the time, Steve Peakin and Stephanie Avakian, 371 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:45,359 that was their names. He can had been working for 372 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,559 no Vartis, which was Ligan's license that was making a 373 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:51,000 billion dollars at the time off the drug Promacta that 374 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,519 I said it was worthless and that they were just 375 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,680 basically praying on the sick and the dying with a 376 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,119 worthless drug. Anyways, he approves the case against me. Brad 377 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,119 Bondi's involved. Brad Ryans were formal former high ranking officials. 378 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,599 They In fact, he was counseled to the current Chairman 379 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,720 of the SEC, Paul Atkins. So he's been around the 380 00:20:06,759 --> 00:20:09,039 CEA for like twenty years. Everybody knows them. He opens 381 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:11,319 and closed doors. Ever, it's a revolving door between these 382 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,319 you know, white shoe law firms on Madison Avenue and 383 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,799 the SEC. So he gets this case approved at first 384 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,240 like it brings it to the SEC. They're we're not 385 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,200 going to touch it. Guy didn't say anything wrong. Then 386 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,160 they hire Brad BONDI case gets brought right away, he goes, 387 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,000 he calls his pals, they prove the whole thing, and 388 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,119 Enry Greg Davis gets two bullets in the head. So 389 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,200 when they're saying we want to silence levelson for good, 390 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,599 like it's sort of serious. So you know, absolute tragedy, 391 00:20:35,599 --> 00:20:38,480 and you know, I know his widow, and you know 392 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:40,039 when they say they wanted to be silenced for good. 393 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:42,559 And again the CEO of that company, you can look 394 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:44,680 it up. It's in the Vermont court system. He's actually 395 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,000 I think you just got a life sentence. He was 396 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,400 a Turkish guy. But again, it's really weird, like a 397 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,440 gay guy. I don't really understand if there's a coincidence 398 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,480 or what's going on, but like, these are angry gay 399 00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:57,359 men in their fifties who hate I guess truth, honesty, 400 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,440 I'm not sure what it is. They love fraud. But 401 00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:03,160 the whole pharmaceutical ustry is just an infestation of terrible, 402 00:21:03,279 --> 00:21:07,640 terrible business conduct, and anyone who tries to expose it 403 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,480 is really at great risk. And that's what I was 404 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,279 caught up. And then you've got these scrupulous attorneys, you know, 405 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:15,359 these attrains, you have no moral compass at all, Like Bradbye. 406 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,200 They're paid you know, tens of there then an eight 407 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,319 figure range what they're getting paid, and they'll make anything 408 00:21:20,319 --> 00:21:23,960 happen to soulence the critics. So it's a really it's 409 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,480 a it's like a very unholy alliance. 410 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: You could say it's far outweighed that somebody. If somebody 411 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,920 is being prosecuted or being persecuted by the SEC, they're 412 00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:42,240 probably if they're trying to expose if they're exposing fraud, 413 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,160 If you're trying to expose fraud, you have a much 414 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,039 better chance of being prosecuted than if you're actually committing fraud. 415 00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:51,079 I mean, I think so thousand percent. 416 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,599 Speaker 2: You know, look, there's tons of pump and dumps going on. 417 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:56,039 In fact, the Liging case was a pump and dump. 418 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,640 It was an inversion of the truth. They put out 419 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,720 the headlines, it was a shortener score. It was actually 420 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,119 the CC helping Wagan insiders pump the stock price up 421 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,400 so they could sell. We've got a great presentation on 422 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,160 our website. You can look up on mvona dot com. 423 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,559 It's a mvo NA dot com and we have got 424 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:13,079 a link to the whole present all the evidence. There's 425 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,279 one hundred page deck. It's really fascinating if you're into accounting, 426 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:18,839 fraud and stuff, and how the secs are completely captured 427 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,519 regular I mean, they work, They totally work for the 428 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:25,799 pharmaceutical industry or whatever big interest is, you know, willing 429 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:27,680 to pay these lawyers to open the doors for them. 430 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,759 But you know, at the end of the day, we 431 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:35,799 had Ligand on the stand in court admitting to trading 432 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,920 helping hedge funds trade on material non public information. That's 433 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,759 insider trading. The transcripts are right there. There was a 434 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:44,839 hedgeponk called Cardinal Capital. They actually went out of business 435 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,000 because when you're dishonest, that's what happens to you. They 436 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,000 had an eighty million dollars long position and Ligan and 437 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:52,920 we actually showed the emails. Could you could see the 438 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,440 emails of Wagen giving them inside information, material non public 439 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,279 information so they could trade on it to try to 440 00:22:58,279 --> 00:23:00,319 push the stock price up, to try to Squol's my 441 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:05,680 short position completely without question illegal. So when I'm watching 442 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,519 this Tucker Carlson episode with Trevor Milton, I'm like, is 443 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:11,839 this even real. I couldn't figure out, like, is Tucker dumb? 444 00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:14,559 Is he corrupt? I couldn't put my finger on I mean, 445 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:16,519 I just I could not understand for the life of me, 446 00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:20,559 because I know all the prominent short sellers, and I'm 447 00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:22,640 telling you, Peter, they do the very best work on 448 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,640 Wull Street. There's always gonna be some bad apples, and 449 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,599 there have been apparently a handful you can count on 450 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:30,640 one hand, and they were prosecuted and they succeeded in 451 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,960 those prosecutions. They clearly did things wrong, but by and large, 452 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,599 the short sellers are the ones doing the best work 453 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,440 because you know what, Peter, they can lose an infinite 454 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,799 amount when you're longest stock, you can lose one hundred percent. 455 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:42,759 When you're short. There's no living on how much you 456 00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:46,480 can lose. So you've got to be right. And most 457 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,240 of the guys out there, and how short selling is 458 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:50,440 basically dead right now because partly because of the Lembos 459 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:52,440 and case, it's scared. It's scared the hell out of 460 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,359 short sellers. When the government came after me and then 461 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,720 the DOJ opened an investigation to several other prominent short sellers, 462 00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:02,880 and they, you know, got very scared. So it's almost 463 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,839 like the government sending a message like get the short 464 00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:07,880 cellars out of the way because they're doing the best work. 465 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,720 And then you can create this what I call a 466 00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:11,759 golden age of fraud, which is what we're seeing right now. 467 00:24:12,759 --> 00:24:14,759 Speaker 1: And it seems that they have. 468 00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 2: I mean, Bill Ackman has got out of short songing 469 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:18,519 DNS a long time ago. 470 00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:22,319 Speaker 1: Well he wasn't good at it to get it with, well, okay, 471 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:26,480 he lost millions. The whole gay angle makes a whole 472 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,559 lot of sense. These are people who they're not going 473 00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:35,519 to have children, so they can devote the whole they 474 00:24:35,519 --> 00:24:37,119 can devote their whole lives to hate. 475 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,839 Speaker 2: No, marriage is the natural course of things, and when 476 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,519 you don't do that, you get a very frustrated man. 477 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,759 To be sure, unless he's deeply religious. 478 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: The amount and especially in the GOP, the amount of 479 00:24:51,559 --> 00:24:57,000 gay men in g I mean people think that this 480 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,200 is like the left in America, like it comes up 481 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,680 with a meme of some sort. But no, when there 482 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:11,319 are like GOP events or conservative events in like cities, No, 483 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,319 the grinder app does actually crash. 484 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:15,079 Speaker 4: Wow. 485 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you have to ask you, you have to 486 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,480 ask yourself if you actually believe that these people are 487 00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:26,759 out here working for you. Oh, they're going to fight 488 00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:30,160 for you, you know, in an age of fraud. As you're describing, 489 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:33,720 why are there? And it's all about family values and 490 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,720 being right wing and being Christian and being you know, 491 00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:41,960 tp us a yata all this stuff. Why are there 492 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:47,039 so many homosexuals just infested in this I. 493 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 2: Don't know the answer to that question, Peter. I can 494 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:50,720 tell you though, at the SEC when I was there, 495 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:54,160 every woman was butcher. I'm I can tell you right now. 496 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,079 It was like the woman who was like charged with 497 00:25:56,519 --> 00:25:59,119 interrogating me. Her name is Virginia Rosato di Selet. You 498 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,480 can look her up on LinkedIn. And they deposed me 499 00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:05,920 for forty seven hours. You know, Elizabeth Holmes, the founder 500 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,960 of Throno, she's in jail right now. She was to 501 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,200 post for four hours. Bernard made off, I'm sure you've 502 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,359 heard of him, to post for zero hours, forty seven hours. 503 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:14,759 The only thing left for them to do was to 504 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:16,720 waterboard me and call out German shepherds and like put 505 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,839 a spotlight in my face. Anyways, this woman, Virginia, Virginia 506 00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:22,640 Resulta just this foul woman. She's all of like four 507 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,440 and a half feet tall, five feet tall, like just foul, 508 00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:29,799 like just complete. I mean, I was like, if she's married, man, 509 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:31,799 I feel sorry for her husband. Other than I realized 510 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,720 like there's no way she's married. And I started looking 511 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:35,920 around me and I'm like, wait, they're all like this, 512 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,119 they're all gay and lesbian. And then like you go 513 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,559 on their website and they have this video they'd play like. 514 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,000 It was super disturbing. We actually did two other episodes 515 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:47,559 about My Unlawful Prosecution, episodes twenty nine Parts one and two, 516 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,720 So twenty nine Part one, episode twenty nine Part two, 517 00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:53,240 before we did this episode on the Treble Milton Connection 518 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,839 with Brad Bondi, and we actually captured a video they've 519 00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:59,880 since taken down off their website. It's the biggest LGBTQ 520 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,960 propagandavide you'll ever find in your life. And it's really 521 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,559 disturbed because not only shou all these gay men at 522 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:06,359 the SEC on his game, so you might say, father 523 00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:08,039 and many others a little crazy. He's just talking about 524 00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:10,519 all these things he proceeds, but now they're openly promoting it. 525 00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:12,279 It's not like it's up for debate. It's not my opinion. 526 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,720 It's not subjective, but you know it's kind of disturning. 527 00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:17,920 They show all these men and like with these children 528 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,319 around them. It's like, wait a second here, this is 529 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,200 really disturbing, Like where is this going. So you know, 530 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,119 if you think the SEC is there to regulate and 531 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,640 police the markets, like you'd be profoundly confused. He really 532 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,640 has nothing to do with that. It's it's well, you know, 533 00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:33,960 in the Scripture and the Holy Scripture, we say that 534 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,119 it's been said that sinfulness is lawlessness, So there is 535 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,759 a connection between living a life of sin and living 536 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:46,720 in lawlessness, a complete disregard for the law. So the 537 00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:48,880 SEC has a total disregard for the law. Everyone who 538 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,160 was involved in my prosecutor, the lead prosecutor, Mark Jones. 539 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,720 And it was hilarious too because when I started bringing 540 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:55,920 I started naming people after I was winning and stuff 541 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,319 we wanted to trial. It was an incredible trial because 542 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,559 the SEC the jury completely ruled against them all our 543 00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:06,119 fraud allegations, and they still put out a press release 544 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,759 saying I was found liabel for a scheme to fraud, 545 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:09,519 completely false statement, and they won't take it down to 546 00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:11,799 this day. They got four false press releases out there 547 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,839 so that didn't work. So then they tried to drag 548 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,680 me through this administrative process to try to bar me 549 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,440 from the industry. They felt more you know, unlawful pleadings 550 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,480 and what's called ultra virus lawsuits. They went and actual 551 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,759 found another lawsuit against me without EVE getting commision approval, 552 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:31,799 which is completely illegal. So this guy Mark Jones, Jewish guy, 553 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,319 I never mentioned that before today is the first time 554 00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:36,359 mentioned since you brought it up and his partner al day. 555 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,680 I mean that really very quite effeminate. So you've got 556 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,799 the mask and the feminine roles there. At any rate, 557 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:43,880 he gets all offended. I start bringing up his name, 558 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,160 and I'm thinking, he's like, oh, you're an anti Semite. 559 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,440 I'm like, I never I didn't even know you were 560 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,720 Jewish till you accused me of that. But it makes 561 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,160 perfect sense because like everyone else is in, you know, 562 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:58,000 and it's just, man, what a what a circus? Pete? 563 00:28:58,039 --> 00:28:59,680 You know, what a circus? But you know, I'll tell 564 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,039 you something. Ninety eight percent of people targeted by they 565 00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:06,400 see settle. And there's this guy Leon Cooperman. You might 566 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,839 have heard his name. You knew Bill Lackman, billionaire. I 567 00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:10,440 think it's worth about four It was about four worth 568 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,160 about four million dollars when he was charged by the see. 569 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,359 I don't know if he was really guilty or not. 570 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:14,720 He might have been. It kind of seemed to me 571 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:17,240 he was actually But anyways, he goes on Bloomberg and 572 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,359 they interests was like the legendary investor Leon Cooperman. You're like, oh, 573 00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:22,759 this guy still Gray's legend, and he's got actually mediocre 574 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:27,079 returns and he's literally, I'm not kidding you, literally crying. 575 00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:29,319 He's crying on TV. Like I don't know what the 576 00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:31,720 thing with grown men crying is. I guess it's like 577 00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:34,359 a thing that's been occurring in our society. But I'm like, dude, 578 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,480 you are worth four billion dollars. You have complete dno 579 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:39,680 insurance to cover you, to defend you against the SEC. 580 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:41,839 He's like, I'm never going to settle. And then he settles. 581 00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:43,240 I think he paid h one hundred and sixty million 582 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,720 dollars something. I don't know the exact amount, but he 583 00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:47,039 totally settles. So I'm like, you know, what a whimp, 584 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:50,519 what a weak man. You know, I didn't have four 585 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:52,279 billion dollars to defend agacy. I gave away most of 586 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:54,039 what I owned when I was young, and you know what, 587 00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:57,880 I still bought them for a decade and one. And 588 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,279 you know, and that's after Bloomberg did one hit piece 589 00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:01,960 after I mean, you saw it in that first two 590 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,920 minutes of that show. That was an episode Bloomberg did 591 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,720 on me. I you know, I called the producers and 592 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:08,599 the editors. I said, you know, why don't you put 593 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,359 me on the put me on that show. Let me 594 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:11,759 tell my side of show, Like, oh no, we're never 595 00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:16,960 going to do that. Really, that's great. Anyways, So a 596 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,759 lot of these presentations Brad Bondi created for the SEC 597 00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:23,119 were full of lies. And it's interesting because we were able. 598 00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:26,400 He's also a super sloppy attorney. I call him sloppy 599 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,160 Brad Bondi because he gave us all these document who 600 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,279 weren't supposed to get. And two of the really important 601 00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:32,559 things came out of that. One was that you know, 602 00:30:32,599 --> 00:30:34,440 they resent this drug to prey on the sick and 603 00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:36,799 the dying, and they gave us by accident. Brad Bondi 604 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:39,960 gave us back in this president called Project gold Mine, 605 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:41,920 and it was a meeting between Ligan and Novartist and 606 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,759 novartis one of the biggest farms fool companies in the world, 607 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,039 discussing how they're going to prey on people who are 608 00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:49,079 dying from a serotic liver from hepatitis CE. Hepatitis C 609 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,119 had been cured by Gilliad Sciences at the end of 610 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,240 twenty thirteen, and that was the focus of my reports, 611 00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:58,000 not only their financial malfeasance, but they're ethical failures. So 612 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,519 I would go to the hospital, I'd be praying for 613 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,799 the sick and the dying, and these people were going 614 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:04,440 to the hospital and saying, how do we squeeze the 615 00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:08,119 last buck out of them we can because they're so vulnerable, 616 00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:11,200 and so they were feeding them this drug that had 617 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,240 no therapeutic value at all, Tromacta. They had a curable disease. 618 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,240 So Valdi was a drug that Gillia had developed. It 619 00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:18,440 totally cured HEPATITISIE, which I don't know if you know this, 620 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,359 but prior to the pandemic was killing more people every 621 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,279 year than any virus in the world. So when it 622 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:24,759 was cured, it was like a cure for polio. It 623 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,400 was like it was like a miracle drug. And so 624 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:29,400 but Liagan and Obarnas went on to make billions of 625 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,319 dollars off Promacta, even though it was totally worthless. So 626 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,279 one I got a hold of Project gold Mine, which 627 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:36,319 really exposed the whole racket. And then it was funny 628 00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:38,440 because we could see these emails between the executive lig 629 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,559 and they're like, how could this priest have the high 630 00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:44,000 returns he has. It's not possible. He's ranked consistently one 631 00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:46,200 of the top heatchron managers of the world. He must 632 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,440 be committed fraud. So we just got to find the fraud. 633 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,200 And it's funny because we got all these emails that 634 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,440 they try to call back and they're like, but we 635 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,759 can't find the fraud. Everything seems specked out. And he 636 00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:56,640 publishes his audited reports and it was really quite funny. 637 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,920 So really, you know, just an unbelievable thing. And then 638 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,680 you know, I thought more about it as Pam Bondi 639 00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:04,440 sort of ascended to power. And then what happens at 640 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,960 Brad Bondi started getting all his clients like Brad Byen 641 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,680 never did. He couldn't win cases to save his life. 642 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,480 He's he's not smart at any way. He's just corrupt. 643 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,160 So all he can do is operate in the shadows 644 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,880 and then all of a sudden, his sister becomes Attorney 645 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,359 General and his clients are like the Nicola founder, Trevor 646 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,079 Milton get Partons, And it wasn't just if he had 647 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:24,359 like five people cart pardoned like successively. You're like, well, 648 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:26,480 that's incredible, track walkerd It's probably one for the Guinness 649 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,480 Book of World Record, Like no attorney in history has 650 00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:31,079 had five of their clients pardoned in succession like that. 651 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:36,119 Caroline Amnesty was another one. Anyways, it's just hilarious because 652 00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:38,079 he's he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, 653 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:39,480 but the whole world can kind of see what he's doing. 654 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,240 But you know, it just just blows my mind the corruption, 655 00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:47,079 you know, Pete that goes on, and it really it 656 00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:49,279 irks me though as a priest, and put aside of 657 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:51,279 being a priest, as a man, I mean, what kind 658 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,640 of man would you be if you saw this fraud 659 00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:56,960 and you let it happen like see Bill Ackman. That's 660 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,400 why I don't respect him because he invested in Valiant 661 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,720 and he knew exactly what they were doing. Ligan was 662 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,000 a feeder company for comings like Valiant. They would find 663 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,559 these old obscure molecules like promacta, and they get it 664 00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:11,039 what's called the Orphan Drug Act designation, which gave him 665 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:13,119 like patent like protections. I think could just jacked the 666 00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:13,640 price up. 667 00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:18,799 Speaker 1: So we hear a lot about how Scott Bessant was 668 00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:23,839 brought in to fix the to fix the financial system, 669 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:30,119 and you know how Jerome Powell has to go at 670 00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:32,319 the Federal Reserve, even though he seems to be the 671 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:38,640 best Federal Reserve chairman since Vulgar? In my opinion, is 672 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,480 there any fixing this financial system? Is there anything that 673 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:45,799 can be done to fix this financial system other than 674 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:46,640 burn it's of the ground. 675 00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that shit ha sailed Peter. I think 676 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,960 you've got to burn to the ground. Not literally, obviously 677 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,839 we're speaking metaphorically. But you know, in nineteen twenty eight, 678 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,359 nineteen twenty nine, things got out of hand like this. 679 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,119 People are openly running syndicates and insider trade interest was crazy. 680 00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:08,519 And you know this institution. Usually institutions, the older they get, 681 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:12,599 the more corrupt they become. Modern Wall Street is not 682 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,320 that old, but it's old enough that I guess the 683 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,320 corruption's compounded. And then you've got a government that increasingly 684 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,840 has been pretty much a run and controlled by big 685 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,920 Wall Street banks. You know, look at the Golden SAX 686 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,360 alumni in powerful positions for the last couple of decades. So, 687 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,159 you know, I don't see how they can fix it. 688 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,239 You can't send you know, box to watch the hen House. 689 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: People think that this that not only the financial system, 690 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,559 but the system itself can actually be fixed. And when 691 00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:50,360 you have a system that's run by that's infested with homosexuals, 692 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,639 first of all, I mean, I'm sorry, the Lord's not 693 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:54,360 going to bless that. 694 00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:59,039 Speaker 2: You know. I think that the key thing is really 695 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,280 that movement says it all. It's pride is the issue. 696 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 6: You know. 697 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 2: People say, well, we're Christians, we love the sinner. That's 698 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,599 not exactly right. We love a repentance center, like the 699 00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:12,880 God loves a repentance sinner. Is what we learned. You 700 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,800 cannot say that. I mean, who amongst us without sin? 701 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,559 None of us? Right, But it's one thing to say 702 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,519 I feel regret and remorse for my sins, and the 703 00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:26,719 other to say I'm proud of my sins. So they'll 704 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,360 tell you what the main sin is. It's not. Their 705 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,039 main sin is not sexual misconduct. The main sin is 706 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:37,239 pride over their sexual proclivities. That is actually the more 707 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,280 serious one, which can't be seen. It's in the heart. 708 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:45,039 It precludes repentance. We can repent from any sin, and 709 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:48,280 we're all guilty of them, heat or sexual, homosexual whatever. 710 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,079 Only God can judge. But when you're proud, then you 711 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,920 cut yourself off from the very thing that you need, 712 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,559 which is God's love. Without repentance, we can't even begin 713 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,039 to taste the sweetness of God's love. 714 00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:08,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a system that's basically built on everything there. 715 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,639 There's nothing there that can be considered to be holy 716 00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:19,519 or set aside. The people still fighting for it. And 717 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,519 I can understand fighting for your people, fighting for your ethnos, 718 00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:28,960 fighting for your your nation, a nation being a people, 719 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:35,079 fighting for your your fellow co religionists, fighting for this 720 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:43,239 thing that is beyond this is beyond saving. And you 721 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,599 you don't want to say that about a person ever, 722 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,880 that they're beyond saving. But when you can look at 723 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,480 an institution, you can look at a structure, you know 724 00:36:51,559 --> 00:36:54,440 you can there there there will come a time when 725 00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:58,119 this house will be beyond saving and will need to 726 00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:06,199 be will need to be torn down and rebuilt. And really, yeah, 727 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,000 you can't show me anything. You can't show me anything 728 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:13,960 in the in the United States government that's worth saving 729 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:14,880 at all. 730 00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:18,519 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I had a prompt road seat to that 731 00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:19,320 for over a decade. 732 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:26,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you this. You you alluded to 733 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,559 this for for a second, but I wanted to come 734 00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:39,079 back to it. Being a Christian and being engaged in usury, 735 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:44,440 being engaged in hedge fund, being engaged in the system. 736 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,400 How does one square that circle. 737 00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 2: That's a great question, you know, Pete. The problem of 738 00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:55,880 the prohibition on usury, which existed in for centuries in Christendom, 739 00:37:56,039 --> 00:38:01,400 is real. In a perfect world, we would not we 740 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,440 would not have the collection of interest. But I'd like 741 00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:10,559 to think that my work will be viewed favorably by 742 00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:12,639 the Lord in so far as I've given so much 743 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,679 of my life for it. I mean, I don't know 744 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,760 that we can call short active as a usery. First 745 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,639 of all, you're borrowing a share and selling it short, 746 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:28,000 and you're uncovering fraud. The one time the Lord shows 747 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,039 anger in the Gospelers, I'm sure you know it's in 748 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,920 the courtyard of the temple with the money changers. So 749 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,840 modern Wall Street is the money changers. The liquidity providers, right, 750 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,760 And so if you're out there exposing fraud and crashing 751 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:50,039 it and paying a huge price, huge, blacklisted, debanked, untouchable, 752 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,280 and you refuse to settle. They asked me seven times 753 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,000 to settle, and I told them to. You know, I'm 754 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,159 not going to tell you what I told him, not 755 00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:06,239 the most priestly thing, but you know, in terms of 756 00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:11,679 earning a return on capital for our shareholders, I have 757 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,079 yet to meet a Christian group that isn't directly or 758 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:20,079 indirectly involved in Wall Street. And I get calls all 759 00:39:20,119 --> 00:39:22,880 the time for help and advice from very high level people, 760 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,440 include monasteries. I have yet to meet a faithful person. 761 00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:29,760 Speaker 6: I get. 762 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,159 Speaker 2: I get that. Sometimes I feel like, oh, father, what 763 00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:33,920 are you doing? That's wrong? You're you know, it's terrible, 764 00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,360 You're a wolf in sheep's clothing all that. Really, But 765 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,000 then if that were true, then why is everyone connected 766 00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:43,679 to Wall Street? You know, from the investment committees at 767 00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:48,079 Catholic hospitals and universities to parishes that have their investment accounts. 768 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,280 The difference is most of those people are just not 769 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,840 going about in a particularly intelligent way. They just outsource 770 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,800 it to somebody like an advisor who's not even really 771 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,239 an investor, it's just a salesman, and they're not really 772 00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,280 good stewards over that capital, like a work with the 773 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,400 church at the highest levels, the highest levels, and you know, 774 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,519 I would just say, we really can't ask people to 775 00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:11,079 make donations to the church if we can't tell them 776 00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:14,119 that we're good stewards over the capitol. So the idea 777 00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:17,360 of stewardship, particularly like Matthew twenty five for example, I 778 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,519 think is very relevant. In fact, it specifically makes reference 779 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,199 to earning interest on one's talents, and talents being a 780 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:26,880 measure of money at that time we use it to 781 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:32,280 describe charisms. Now charisma, but talents was a measure of money. 782 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,360 So in a perfect world, would we have Wall Street 783 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,440 and usury? Probably not. But the reality is everybody's already involved. 784 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,400 So all I've tried to say is that I don't 785 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,719 think we're better Christians by sticking our head in the sand. 786 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,800 I think we're worse Christians. I think we should open 787 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,400 our eyes and be intelligent about it. That's what I 788 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,920 have tried to teach. 789 00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: Well, considering how the system is built and considering that 790 00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,719 you're if you were to try and divorce yourself from 791 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,320 everything that was you serious. You basically wouldn't be able 792 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,599 to buy food. You wouldn't be able to I mean, 793 00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:11,400 you'd have to grow your own You'd have to be 794 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,960 living off the grid and grow your own food. Because everybody, 795 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:19,119 this is the system that that has been built, and 796 00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:23,000 it's a system that we we exist and it's a system. 797 00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:25,280 You know, I have no you know, I know some 798 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,079 you know I have I have another. I have another 799 00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:36,039 friend who he's uh, he's Protestant, hard hardcore, very very 800 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:43,119 ecumenical when it comes to respect respect between between you know, 801 00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:46,519 Catholics and Orthodox and everything. And he has he has 802 00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:49,840 a hedge fund and he's like, look, I mean, I 803 00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,840 just want to do good. I want whatever I do, 804 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,400 I want to do well with it. I want to 805 00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:55,599 I want to put it to good use. I'm not 806 00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:59,679 doing this for for for the most selfish of purposes. 807 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,800 I'm doing this so that I can I can serve 808 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,719 my people. And I think that you know, when you're 809 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:11,039 in a system where basically the whole system is an 810 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:17,000 enemy to you, the one way when you examine the 811 00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:21,199 way that you can fight the system the best is 812 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:26,039 by acquiring as much capital as you can. Then it's 813 00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:29,960 hard for me to place, you know, to judge somebody 814 00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:34,440 for wanting to do what they can to use the 815 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,679 system to actually gain the gain the means they need 816 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,480 in order to protect themselves from it. 817 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,599 Speaker 2: Well, that's right, Pete. And I would often tell people 818 00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,800 too that if we don't have Christian voices in the market, 819 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,039 then you know, we're going to leave it to the 820 00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:51,079 you know, the great investment thinkers. Ben Graham was a 821 00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:54,320 Jewish man. His greatest and most famous student, Warren Buffett, 822 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,599 is agnostic. I don't know how people think he's wise. 823 00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:58,519 He's telling you he's not. Why he he's agnostic, which 824 00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:01,000 literally that to logical root is he doesn't know. So 825 00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:03,400 a wise person can't say they don't know. And so 826 00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:07,360 every commentator who gets on the NBC you mentioned Bill Ackman, 827 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,000 like they have a religious position, it's not a Christian one, 828 00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:15,159 so like, shouldn't we have a voice and and but 829 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,239 the reality is that we are held to a higher standard, Peter, 830 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,519 as Christians, and we cannot overlook Christ's words that the 831 00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:25,360 love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. 832 00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:29,519 It's true. So it's really super risky to take that 833 00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:31,239 path and work on Wall Street. I just tell people 834 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:32,800 to stay away from it. Actually, people ask me. I'm like, 835 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,679 you know, just go get a job doing physical workers 836 00:43:34,679 --> 00:43:37,519 and you'll be so much healthier spiritually. Like the spiritual 837 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:40,480 risks are tremendous. There were the risks of wealth and power. 838 00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:42,000 Could money gives you power? Right, So you've got this 839 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:44,079 confluence of money and power, and then you can make 840 00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,639 a lot of wealth without doing a lot of work, 841 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,000 even if you're not talented. But it's not like I 842 00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:51,679 went to Wall Street and they opened me with open 843 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,559 welcome you, with open arms, like, oh, we're so happ 844 00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:55,320 to see you. Father mag has got a drink, you know, Like, 845 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,519 that's not what happened. Look what happened to me, you know. 846 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,360 So that should tell you that, you know, we in 847 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,000 so far as we have the system, we have this 848 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,480 remarket capitalist system, we can't just stay out of it completely. 849 00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:09,599 I don't think we have to have a position in 850 00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:11,760 a voice. And like everything I've written, I've written hundreds 851 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,760 of articles on these topics, on fraud, on stewardship, on 852 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,280 a Christian philosophy, and investment, on value orientation. Should take 853 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,719 the work of say Ben Graham Warm I say, what 854 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,119 would you do with this if you were a Christian? 855 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,920 You know, because you got like what's Warren Buffin do. 856 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,519 He's like he's financing abortion essentially with his charitable contributions. 857 00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:29,199 Like the guy's got a fortune. Like if we had 858 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,039 Christians with that kind of capital, they might allocate it differently, 859 00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:34,199 which would make it, you know, a demonstrable difference in 860 00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,920 the world. So I don't think we can just say 861 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,239 you know, and I see this, I see it all 862 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,119 the time, like priests and hires like, oh, I don't 863 00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:44,159 touch that, you know. I'm like, let's be honest, you're 864 00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:46,079 just ignorant and you're putting your head in the sand 865 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,679 versus dealing with the problem. You know, Like if you're 866 00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:52,679 an accountant, there's a lot of good Christian accountants and 867 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,400 you come across the company and say you work at 868 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,159 a CPA for them, and they bring you their books 869 00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:58,920 and they're totally cooked. You're gonna do nothing about it. 870 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,039 You go to watch the investors get pleased. You're going 871 00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,800 to watch it like was taxing that it was policing 872 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,639 the taxpayers, the investors, the sick, and the dying. I mean, 873 00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:13,000 everyone's getting pleased, so we can do a lot of 874 00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:16,800 good Peter. As Christians, we have to have courage. But 875 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,960 the goal should never be the accumulation of wealth. You 876 00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:21,119 might accumulate wealth, but it shouldn't be the goal, and 877 00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:23,760 it definitely should not be directed inward. If you're thinking 878 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,960 about how do I get the next Rolex and I 879 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,880 love the new Porsche, and that's what's in your mind, 880 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:29,840 you're going to get into a crisis as a Christian. 881 00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:32,599 If you're going there because you want to protect shareholders, 882 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,199 you want to protect taxpayers, you want to do your 883 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,679 job as a good steward and a fiduciary, and you 884 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,599 have a good beyond yourself, then I would say go 885 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,400 for it, but you better be pretty spiritually mature, and 886 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,719 you better be grounded in prayer and the fear of God, 887 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,800 because you're going into a pit. You're going into a 888 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,920 pit with a bunch of serpents. 889 00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:56,559 Speaker 1: Frankly, what do you think the average you know, what 890 00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:59,639 should a Christian be doing in this in this system 891 00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,760 right now? Know, I mean it it's falling apart, but 892 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,639 you know it could take decades for it to fall apart. 893 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,960 So in the meantime we have to be able to live, 894 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,480 and we not only live, we have to be able 895 00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:17,280 to thrive. And that's you know, that's a hard thing. 896 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,480 A lot of people have bought into, you know, what 897 00:46:20,519 --> 00:46:23,320 they call the black pill, where it's like, well things 898 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,480 were just why should I even care? Our Our government's 899 00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:33,400 occupied and no one and it's like, no, I know people, 900 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,679 I know, regular people who are doing really well. They 901 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:43,480 don't have the education that people who are complaining about 902 00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:46,920 things have, but they're they're thriving, they're living. You know, 903 00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:49,079 how now shall we how now shall we live? 904 00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:49,840 Speaker 4: Well? 905 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,320 Speaker 2: I think to a certain extent, you've got to get 906 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,639 off social media a little bit and then constant scroll 907 00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:57,039 of news because it's highly manipulative. We are Christians. We 908 00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:00,039 live with hope. You can't live in despair, and we 909 00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:02,800 cannot live with fear. You can't say I'm a faithful Christian, 910 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,800 I'm afraid of tomorrow. That's a contradiction. Fear and faith. 911 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,840 Like oil and water, that'll mix. So look, empires come 912 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,199 and go. If the American Empire is on the way out, 913 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,760 it wouldn't be the first one. And we are the 914 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,719 people of God, we belong to Christ. So this political 915 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,800 system works, This one doesn't this one comes to pass. 916 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,280 This empire did well, they didn't do. I mean, look 917 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,000 at the British empires. It was something under years ago. 918 00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:26,800 Now it's basically nothing. Let's say. So, maybe this is 919 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,679 the end of the American Empire. I don't know. I 920 00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,639 pray it's not. Actually, I really love America in a 921 00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:33,440 lot of ways. I'm very saddened by what I see today. 922 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,920 But you know what, as Christians were first and foremost, 923 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,679 we belong to a kingdom of heaven opinion of God. 924 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,880 That's the first citizenship we have is in that community. 925 00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:45,760 And so we pray for the country. We pray for 926 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,039 the political leaders. We don't need to go and attack 927 00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,000 them all the time for their failures. Yes they fail 928 00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:54,199 their politicians, everyone knows they're not alter boys. And we 929 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,079 take care of the things that are we have direct 930 00:47:57,079 --> 00:48:01,239 dominion over that we have been entrusted with, namely our families. 931 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,840 If you're married, think care of your wife and children. 932 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,719 That's what you should be worried about. If you're a 933 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,159 married and a family man. You don't need to solve 934 00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:12,039 all the political problems of the world by going on 935 00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:15,239 social media or fretting over them or being afraid for tomorrow. Yes, 936 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,239 you should be wise as a serpent, and innocent is 937 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,480 a doup. You should prepare for the worst if things happen, 938 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,320 be very shrewd and wise financially, and the way you 939 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,920 prepare yourself for inevitabilities which may occur. But you know, 940 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,159 you just can't go through life afraid or in despair 941 00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:31,519 or with a sort of spiritual numbness. You're talking about 942 00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:35,719 a listlessness, if you will, an apathy about there's no hope. 943 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,480 And I think we see this in the young generation 944 00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:42,159 where they're making reckless decisions. They're gambling wildly online with 945 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,599 sports betting and you know, meme stocks, and they're like, 946 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:47,280 I better just get rich quick because there's no hope 947 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,199 for a career or a job or family. I don't know. 948 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,400 That is horrible. I mean, that is just a horrible 949 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,880 way to look at the world. So that's what the 950 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,239 devil really wants. The devil loves discouragement perhaps above all else, 951 00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:00,880 you know, Peter. So you can't you can't give into that. 952 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,800 You got to fight that. And the way to fight 953 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,800 it is by participation in the life of the church, 954 00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:08,599 participation with the community, and to cultivate an inner life 955 00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:11,400 of prayer. And if you're married, definitely with your family. 956 00:49:12,639 --> 00:49:14,079 And if you're not married, then with the family you 957 00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:16,360 came from, your parents, your siblings. 958 00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:20,320 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about this too. You know, people, 959 00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:26,199 it's often thrown in our face, even by fellow Christians, 960 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,639 that you know, we're supposed to love our enemies. And 961 00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:31,800 I'm the first one to say, yeah, it says to 962 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,559 love our enemies. It doesn't say to love God's enemies. 963 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,960 Nowhere it does it say to do that. But what 964 00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:43,119 a lot of this can bring people to is not 965 00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:49,159 not only despair, but hate. And you're starting, you're you're 966 00:49:49,199 --> 00:49:53,159 seeing that in a lot of young people. And what 967 00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:55,880 I've taken a saying is if you if you're consumed 968 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,119 by hate, you can't build any you can't build anything, 969 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,840 you can't go Yeah, you're you're not You're not constructive, 970 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,400 you're not useful. You're not useful to anybody, including yourself. 971 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,719 So what do you when you see people getting consumed 972 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,119 by hate? And I want to say consumed by hate rightly, 973 00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:21,320 but not rightly, But you can understand why somebody is 974 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,119 being why somebody can become consumed by hate when they 975 00:50:24,119 --> 00:50:27,159 look around at the world today, especially if they have 976 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,000 a firm, if they have a foundation in some kind 977 00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:36,159 of ideology or something like that. How do you how 978 00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:37,760 do you recommend we deal with hate? 979 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's no such thing as a righteous hatred. 980 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,639 There's a righteous anger, but anger allowed to fester, be honest, 981 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,039 that it's shelf life becomes hatred. And I think you 982 00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:50,159 hit the nail on the head about ideologies. You know, 983 00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:53,400 if you are, you know, we're wired for religion. People 984 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,840 say I'm not religious. I say, really, Like, tell me 985 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,719 about your life. I'll find a religion in your life. 986 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,840 It could be your daily ritual of going to Starbucks, 987 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,400 could be you know, your gambling proclivities, could be your addiction. Important. 988 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,679 We'll turn anything to a religion. But there's only one 989 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,400 religion that doesn't hurt us, and that's the one that 990 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,599 revealed to us by God in the person of his 991 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,039 only big godden son Christ. That's the only thing that 992 00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:15,239 doesn't hurt us. Everything else, if we do too much, 993 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,360 it hurts us. Prayer does not hurt us if we 994 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,599 do too much of it. Participation is sacramental life of 995 00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:22,480 the church does not hurt us. It heals us. Actually, 996 00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:25,960 so hatred is a prison for the heart, Peter. It's 997 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,079 a horrible, horrible place to be. It paralyzes you. It 998 00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:35,159 paralyzes your spirit, your psychology, your intellect. You, like you said, 999 00:51:35,159 --> 00:51:37,880 you can't build anything. So be very very careful of 1000 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,599 the snares of the devil that he will suck you 1001 00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:42,480 into a political ideology or some other ideology that you 1002 00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,239 begin to make that and end in itself, because that 1003 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,039 place is reserved for God. We are designed to glorify 1004 00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:51,440 one thing only, and that is God. When you start 1005 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:57,559 glorifying something else, like you will destroy yourself will stop. So, 1006 00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,719 you know, if you find yourself getting so into despair 1007 00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:03,679 and you find that hatred is building up, which is 1008 00:52:03,679 --> 00:52:07,199 a terrible, terrible emotion. There's probably worse emotions like jealousy 1009 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,199 or something like that, but you know, are feeling of 1010 00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:12,480 betrayal like hatred is really really corrosive. They're actually all corrosive. 1011 00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:14,679 The devil probably loves it when you're angry enough that 1012 00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:17,440 it turns into a sort of crystallized hate. But you 1013 00:52:17,519 --> 00:52:20,360 have got to let that go. And one way to 1014 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,239 do it is to remember the very simple prayer the 1015 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,679 our Father that will be done it's that simple. Like 1016 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,239 hatred is a byproduct of believing that you have control 1017 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,199 over the outcome everything around you, and that is simply 1018 00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:36,400 not right. That is not true. It is completely false. 1019 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,320 And when you stand before and all knowing and all 1020 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,840 loving God, in all of your finitude and you realize 1021 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,159 you didn't give yourself one thing that you have, it 1022 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,639 was all given to you freely, that's very freeing. They 1023 00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:52,639 say that will be done. I don't have to control 1024 00:52:52,639 --> 00:52:55,880 the outcome of everything. You start to remember the blessings 1025 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,760 in your life, the fact you got out of bed 1026 00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,599 and you put two feet on the ground and stood up. 1027 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,400 Some people didn't have that this morning, so you've got 1028 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,360 a chance at it better tomorrow. That's what hope is. 1029 00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:14,280 The despair and discouragement and all these things that the hatred, bitterness, 1030 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,559 it's from the devil. There's actually beautiful things around you, 1031 00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:19,519 you just got to have the eyes to see them. 1032 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,039 There's a lot of aul goodness. But don't think everything 1033 00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:24,920 around you is ugly. When you see ugliness, turn away 1034 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,679 from it. If it's doing something unjust fight it, but 1035 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,719 do it with an understanding that you are in relationship 1036 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,519 to your God, not that you are alone. You didn't 1037 00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:37,480 bring yourself into this world. You didn't give yourself life, 1038 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,239 You didn't give yourself anything out one hair on your head. 1039 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,679 It was all given to you. So don't go through 1040 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,480 life thinking that you've got to control every outcome and 1041 00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:46,880 your will is going to be done and it's going 1042 00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:48,880 to trump everyone else around you. That is just a 1043 00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:52,800 formula for disaster. And I speak from experience from my 1044 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:53,360 early life. 1045 00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:00,719 Speaker 1: When you look around and you notice that you're being 1046 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:05,280 ruled by your enemies, anyone who at this point is 1047 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:10,760 really taking politicians seriously and they're not just completely like, yeah, 1048 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,440 this this person is my enemy, but I don't they 1049 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,920 have no they have no real power over me. You know, 1050 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,480 ninety nine point nine percent of the people who are overlived, 1051 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:25,519 they're not gonna be targeted by the state individually kind 1052 00:54:25,519 --> 00:54:29,880 of thing. I mean present company and that small uh 1053 00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:35,199 in that small percentage, But the how do you live 1054 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,719 when you realize that you're surrounded by your enemies And 1055 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,679 not only you're surrounded by your enemies, but actually your 1056 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:41,960 enemies are in power. 1057 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 2: Thank god, I means you're doing something right. Look who 1058 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,440 changed history? People who are surrounded by enemies start with 1059 00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:53,800 the archetype. You know, say to yourself, Hey, grit, I'm 1060 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:59,079 in the club. If they take Christ and drag him 1061 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:05,360 through streets, blog him, put him through the most ignominius 1062 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,639 death you can imagine. Nail him to a cross, put 1063 00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:10,960 a crown of Thords on his head, make fun of him. 1064 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,280 He did nothing wrong by all accounts, even the Romans, 1065 00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,760 good friend with What do you mean about you? Don't 1066 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,679 do anything wrong? Consider yourself a good company. Mean you're surrounded 1067 00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:21,159 by your enemies. Better to be surrounded by your enemies 1068 00:55:21,199 --> 00:55:23,519 than to be your enemies because they're living in darkness. 1069 00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:27,239 You cannot do it alone. If you're a humanist, you 1070 00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,119 cannot make it to church, you cannot bring yourself to 1071 00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:31,960 make the sign of the Cross, you cannot live with 1072 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,800 or try even to make a step towards God. Is 1073 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,280 going to be very hard for you, very very hard, 1074 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,800 because no human has the power to do that. But 1075 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,440 with God all things are possible. But with God, all 1076 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,280 things are possible. 1077 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,800 Speaker 1: What's the best way to protect you when you're what's 1078 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,800 the best way to protect you in yours? Then? 1079 00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:55,039 Speaker 2: Well you have to be shrewd and wise. Begin with prayer. 1080 00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,480 If you have a clear mind, stay away from drugs 1081 00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:02,000 and alcohol. You know, be aware of your surroundings to 1082 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,000 be sure, but don't do it in such a way 1083 00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:07,239 that causes you panic or anxiety, which a lot of 1084 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,480 people probably suffer from in our society nowadays. Teach your 1085 00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:14,239 wife and children you're the head of your household. If 1086 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:15,559 you're a man listening to this, you're the head of 1087 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:18,119 your household. What does that mean? Take up your cross 1088 00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:21,719 and follow Christ. Be willing to be crucified. You cannot 1089 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,360 shy away from that. Your job is to provide physically 1090 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,480 for your family, to be sure, but you also have 1091 00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:28,960 to provide for their salvation, which means your children need 1092 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,119 to see you praying from time to time, if not daily. 1093 00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:34,599 You need to take your family and say, let's go 1094 00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:38,800 to church. Let's participate in the sacramental life of the church, 1095 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,199 and help your neighbor occasion if you can. When you 1096 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,760 do that, when the focus is off yourself to the 1097 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,760 good beyond yourself, because you or what you are in 1098 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,000 relationship to your goad, and you realize that you feel 1099 00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,639 that love that you are unworthy of because actually you 1100 00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,000 begin to realize, actually, I'm a sinner as well. Yes, 1101 00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:59,079 that politician is horrible, but maybe there's things in my 1102 00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:03,119 heart that aren't so great. Maybe they're worse. Like that politician. 1103 00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:05,000 He's out there like in the public, it's pretty bad, 1104 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,599 but nobody can see what's in my heart. Only I know, 1105 00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,199 but God knows. And then he said, well, okay, I'm 1106 00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:12,920 gonna make fun of apologies because he's dumb and he's 1107 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,039 corrupt and all that. But like I got to really 1108 00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:19,000 focus on myself and my family as well. That's very freeing. 1109 00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:21,599 So then now you're like you're helping your family, you're 1110 00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:24,280 leading them, you're teaching, you're providing for the salvation. You're 1111 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,599 teaching your kids how to pray. You're helping your neighbor 1112 00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:29,400 out whenever you can. Even he he might do something terrible, 1113 00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:31,800 Like I had somebody do something terrible to me recently, 1114 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,840 but I had this feeling like somebody was wrong. You know, 1115 00:57:34,079 --> 00:57:35,760 I just went and I brought her a gift. She 1116 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,440 would be treating me terrible at this person. And then 1117 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,880 just just yesterday actually was just today, I just found 1118 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,440 out she had a close family that died. I felt 1119 00:57:42,519 --> 00:57:45,199 so bad. But then she changed, you know, she'd become humble. 1120 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,239 So like when someone's doing something bad to you, tell 1121 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,039 you like, like, what's this person going through? 1122 00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:50,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. 1123 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,599 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously be wise about nobody should mistreat you, 1124 00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:54,719 but like you can have a little bit of flexibility 1125 00:57:54,719 --> 00:57:56,920 with people, A little bit of human understanding goes a 1126 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,559 long way. Just show a little kindness sometimes, you know, 1127 00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:01,960 to people, And I think that will go a long 1128 00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,880 way for your sanity. You don't want to be in 1129 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,239 that situation where every day's dark and every day you 1130 00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,679 know this anger is turning into hatred and your heart's 1131 00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:11,719 in prison and your family is going to be suffering. 1132 00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,880 You're going to be Yeah, you got with that, go away, 1133 00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:16,960 just you know you'll be able to think clearly too once. 1134 00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:20,360 I really believe that in the silence, especially the silence 1135 00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,239 of prayer, Peter, that we find the truth. I truly 1136 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,239 truly believe that. So you say, well, what do we 1137 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,760 have to every man's life is different, every circumstance is different, 1138 00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,719 and everyone's got to draw his own boundaries. Of course, 1139 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,239 you shouldn't, like said, should let anyone you know abuse 1140 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:33,719 you or take advantage your family or something like that. 1141 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,400 But you're going to find those answers in the silence 1142 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,159 and in prayer. You will not find it by scrolling 1143 00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:40,320 on X to be sure. I'm a thousand percent sure 1144 00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,039 of that. There's so much manipulation, especially with the power 1145 00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:44,719 of AI now, so you've got to get back to 1146 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,400 the silence, the quiet and really focusing on gratitude for 1147 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,000 the simple things, cultivating a life of prayer, and fulfilling 1148 00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:54,679 your role, your unique role as a man. And again 1149 00:58:54,679 --> 00:58:56,679 if you're married, as a husband or father or whatever. 1150 00:58:57,159 --> 00:58:58,800 For some people it might be taking care of their 1151 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,119 elderly parents if they're not or something like that. But 1152 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,000 you know, that's the things you have control over. Everything 1153 00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:08,079 else is thy will be done. Oh you're persecuting me. 1154 00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:10,480 You found me worthy of Look eleven years. I was 1155 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,280 persecuted over ten years, Peter. I was person by the 1156 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,000 US government. Every major financial newspaper in the world wrote 1157 00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:18,760 something terrible about me. And you know what I tried 1158 00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,760 to do during that time. Of course, I had great 1159 00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,559 advisors and people prayer, but I just try to say, 1160 00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:25,599 you know, thank you God that you found me worthy 1161 00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:27,320 of this. I don't know what I did right to 1162 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,599 be found worthy of this, you know, And I wouldn't 1163 00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:32,920 trade it for anything today, Peter, as I look back, 1164 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,840 because we can only understand and interpret our suffering in hindsight. 1165 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,719 When we look back when we're going through it, we 1166 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,159 cannot see it clearly. Always say is why did this happen? 1167 00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,639 I didn't deserve it? Why am I going through this? 1168 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,480 But you know, that's a lack of faith, that's a 1169 00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:50,159 crisis of faith. If we believe God has a plan, 1170 00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:52,639 that he's ultimately in control, that he sees everything, then 1171 00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:54,480 we will say there must be reason for this too. 1172 00:59:55,039 --> 00:59:57,440 And then very often with faith, when we look back 1173 00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:00,360 and we have that spiritual eyes to see see the 1174 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,840 purpose for that, you see it often enough. I'm not 1175 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,039 the only person who's gone through something you know, sort 1176 01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:07,039 of terrible and said I wouldn't change it for the world. 1177 01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:09,239 You hear that from people all the time. So you 1178 01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:12,679 have to be open to these things that happen. We 1179 01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:15,079 can't spend our whole life saying we want to minimize 1180 01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:18,159 pain and suffering and maximize pleasure and avoid every thing 1181 01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:22,239 that discomfort, discomfortable, you know, is uncomfortable or cause us discomfort. 1182 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,400 Maybe you have a calling, you know, maybe God found 1183 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,840 you in this position of our country that's suffering, or 1184 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,039 with your local politician or counted town rapp or something, 1185 01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:33,199 because you're supposed to fulfill an important role to it. 1186 01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:34,760 Maybe that's you're there for a reason. You got to 1187 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:35,360 think about that. 1188 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think about the that most people they want 1189 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,599 to change the world before they change themselves. 1190 01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:47,000 Speaker 2: That's right. 1191 01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:49,920 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just the spirit of our age. And that's 1192 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,760 the way it works is we don't see the faults 1193 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,440 in ourselves before we before we look outside. I think 1194 01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,000 people think that they can fight a war against an 1195 01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:02,960 enemy without being ready for it, without building up to it, 1196 01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:06,800 and they don't realize it, like the biggest enemy that 1197 01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,039 they have is themselves. 1198 01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:10,519 Speaker 2: I think that's exactly right, Peter. 1199 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:12,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there and. 1200 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,920 Speaker 2: They can't see they can't see it. We're all guilty 1201 01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:16,920 of it to some extent at some point in our life. 1202 01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:21,280 Speaker 1: Oh oh, I mean yeah, guilty one hundred Yeah right here, 1203 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:21,880 this guy. 1204 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:22,679 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1205 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,880 Speaker 2: The only the only way out of it is humility. 1206 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,800 And the way to humility is prayer. And humility is 1207 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:33,599 the prerequisite to love and love. You know, love of 1208 01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:35,760 the truth will set you free. As Chris says, the 1209 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,760 truth will set you free. You have to love the truth. 1210 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,840 The way to find this is through humility. So uh, 1211 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,039 it's it's a fight. You know. Look, we're we're all 1212 01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:44,639 in a we're all on a journey together, you know, 1213 01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:47,079 we're we're all trying to find the answers and move forward. 1214 01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,800 But the Church, in her wisdom, provides the framework. But 1215 01:01:53,239 --> 01:01:55,480 we've got to show up there. We got to hear 1216 01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,760 the word of God again, particularly in the sacrament of 1217 01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,400 life with the church. You know, you you don't find 1218 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,920 people who cultivate that into your life of prayer, who 1219 01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:07,159 have these feelings of hate or frustration, depression, anxiety. It 1220 01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:09,559 just doesn't exist. There's a reason for that. 1221 01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:14,800 Speaker 1: So and you'll have a moment, You'll have moments, but 1222 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:20,840 you won't be consumed by it. You'll capture. Yeah, you'll 1223 01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,239 catch yourself and hate, You'll catch yourself in anger, you'll 1224 01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,519 catch yourself in despair, But you're gonna pull yourself out 1225 01:02:27,519 --> 01:02:30,840 of it because there's if you if you allow it 1226 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,599 to fester, you've become of no use to anyone. 1227 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll tell you when when I was undergoing 1228 01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:41,360 this trial with the SEC, which is the fool way 1229 01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,320 to the US taxpayer coming against you. It's differently normal 1230 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,039 civil litigation and normal civil litigation. People worry about the 1231 01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:47,840 money they're spending the budget on, like the government has 1232 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,039 like basically a limitless budget, so they're just it's like 1233 01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:52,079 having an elephant set on you for a long time. 1234 01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:54,519 They set out first to show you economically so you 1235 01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:56,599 can't open a bank account. Nobody would work with you, 1236 01:02:56,679 --> 01:02:58,280 like no one wants to be your administrator, your udit 1237 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,679 or whatever. Nobody wants to talk to you. That's their 1238 01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:02,280 goal because they want you to settle so they look 1239 01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,320 like they're right. But during that time, if I could 1240 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,159 just share a little bit more, Peter, you know, I 1241 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,880 began building the chapel of Saint Catharines in the mountains 1242 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,880 of Vermont, and you look it up, it's Saint Catherine's 1243 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,480 Orthodox chapel. And that was my service to God. So 1244 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,360 every morning I would wake up and I'd go for 1245 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,480 a walk through the forest. And in the silence walking 1246 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,119 through the forest, you know, verma saw snow so it 1247 01:03:22,159 --> 01:03:25,039 muffles any sound. And I would walk to the you know, 1248 01:03:25,239 --> 01:03:28,559 the place where I was building Saint Catharines, and I 1249 01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:31,880 would get on my knees and from the time when 1250 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,159 we had a slab poard for the altar, and they're 1251 01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:37,559 the solea where the faithful would say, I'll go on 1252 01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:39,119 my knees and there was no ceiling of maybe a 1253 01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:41,440 couple of walls, and I'll just kneel down and I 1254 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,360 would pray, you know, Lord, Jesus Christ, I'm living out, 1255 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,400 had mercy on me a sinner that those words the 1256 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,760 Jesus prayer, And I would just repeat that, and I 1257 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,119 would say, you know, God, you know, just show me 1258 01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:55,000 the right way. And I don't want to settle with 1259 01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:58,719 these people. They're wrong, they're predators. But I'm just one man. 1260 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,320 But I know that if God is with you, who 1261 01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,880 can be against you? It looks like an insane fight, right, 1262 01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,400 the US government on one side and just one dumb 1263 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,039 priest on the other. Like who would think, I mean, 1264 01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:13,519 Leon Cooperman folded the all fold. Public companies fold all 1265 01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:17,280 the time, and the two percent, I'm guessing a lot 1266 01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,960 of them, you know, might be guilty, and they you know, 1267 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:25,119 they have to fight it. But that was my service 1268 01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:28,079 to God. And as the SEC was getting ready to 1269 01:04:28,119 --> 01:04:29,679 charge me publicly, because this thing went on years and 1270 01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:31,880 years and years and years, you know where there's actually 1271 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,559 the moment we had a chance to put the cross, 1272 01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:36,760 this beautiful Justinian cross on top of the dome that 1273 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,639 was probably thirty thirty five feet up in the air, 1274 01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,960 on this beautiful dome. You have to look it up online. 1275 01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,920 It's just it's a beautiful chapel, glory to God. Not 1276 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,639 because of me, because of the moving of the Holy Spirit. 1277 01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:49,119 But I'm putting this huge cross on the top of 1278 01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:51,639 the dome. And and honestly, I was just in tears 1279 01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,880 because I felt so privileged to be able to build 1280 01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,960 that where the faithful could come and in light a candle, 1281 01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:04,239 and to be in that sacred place while all this 1282 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,920 was going on. So you know, we we have to 1283 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,199 give our service to God, our goal to we no 1284 01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:14,360 matter what happens in our life, we you know, our 1285 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:18,239 life is meant for God will stop, you know. So 1286 01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:21,519 you know, that's how I was sort of dealing with 1287 01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:23,960 it when it was going on those trials, is that 1288 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:26,480 I thought, I'm going to build this place of worship 1289 01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:30,679 to glorify and the living God. And so that case 1290 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,559 is coming gone, and now we're just waiting to get 1291 01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:34,119 our legal fees. The SEC's on the hope for our 1292 01:05:34,159 --> 01:05:36,159 legal fees. Now it's pretty extraordinary I think it might 1293 01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:37,400 be one of the only times in the history they 1294 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,199 see where they're actually liable now for someone else's legal fees. 1295 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,800 Is there in my case, and so that case is 1296 01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:44,679 coming gone and people will forget about it eventually, But 1297 01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:46,599 the Chapel of Saint Catharines will I will endure. It 1298 01:05:46,639 --> 01:05:50,760 will be there for the faithful. Did you pull it 1299 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,679 up online while I was talking to you. Do you 1300 01:05:52,719 --> 01:05:53,079 see it? 1301 01:05:53,159 --> 01:05:56,039 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's it's incredible. 1302 01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:57,760 Speaker 2: If you go to the Facebook page, you can see 1303 01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,239 actually see the inside with all the handcarved woodward. It 1304 01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:01,840 was all work. It was really a labor of love. 1305 01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:03,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I see it. 1306 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,280 Speaker 2: And people offering me donations, I know, No, I don't 1307 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,199 want any money. I'm just going to do this myself. 1308 01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:11,199 You know. We never accepted any donations or anything. It's 1309 01:06:11,199 --> 01:06:14,039 open to the public. It's all hand carved inside and 1310 01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:17,599 all that stainless steel. It's all real materials. That's African 1311 01:06:17,639 --> 01:06:20,000 mahogany around the top and hand polish stain and steel 1312 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,440 from Germany on the dome AND's like three quarter inch 1313 01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:26,679 slate from local queries on the roof. It's it's really 1314 01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:28,599 it's actually the first Orthodox church to be built in 1315 01:06:28,639 --> 01:06:29,280 the state of Vermont. 1316 01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:36,000 Speaker 1: Leave it or not, Well, do you want to promote 1317 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,719 your podcast and we'll get out of here. 1318 01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:41,519 Speaker 2: I'd love to shamelessly promote it. We have a podcast 1319 01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:43,400 on YouTube. It's at levels and we don't have a 1320 01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,719 huge following yet. It's just emerging. We have bigger followings 1321 01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:49,039 in other platforms. It's a very visual podcast. You saw 1322 01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:51,559 obviously almost two minutes of it today. We try to 1323 01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:53,960 put on an episod about every week or two. We 1324 01:06:54,039 --> 01:06:56,280 hope people will come and watch it. It's really a 1325 01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,719 labor of love, like Saint Catharine's. And of course we 1326 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,639 have our substack, which we're growing quite quickly. I just 1327 01:07:03,679 --> 01:07:06,400 learned today actually that we're ranked number seventy on the 1328 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,920 site in the Faith and Spirituality category. There's over fifty 1329 01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,760 thousand publishers on substack. We've been at it consistently for 1330 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,559 about seven weeks. We're already rand number seventy. So glory 1331 01:07:14,639 --> 01:07:16,559 be to God for the support we've gotten. And we're 1332 01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:20,159 incredibly grateful to people like you, Peter, because we couldn't 1333 01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:22,000 do any of it without support from people like you 1334 01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:24,719 and your viewers. So if you're inclined to watch some 1335 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,679 pretty unusual podcast episodes. You can do so on our 1336 01:07:28,719 --> 01:07:32,119 YouTube channel at lemmelson. We're also on Facebook and x 1337 01:07:32,119 --> 01:07:34,639 and everything. Usually the handles my last name and then 1338 01:07:34,679 --> 01:07:36,880 you've got the substack you all r right underneath my 1339 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,800 name and any feedback, comment, criticism. We're happy to hear 1340 01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,440 from you and just grateful for any support we get. 1341 01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:47,320 Speaker 1: I'll length all of it. Thank you, Pabo Lamelson. I 1342 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,440 appreciate it absolutely. Peter, thank you so much for having 1343 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,039 me on the show. Hope we can do it again 1344 01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:52,400 sometime