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I want to welcome everyone back to the Peking Yona's show.
I'm here with Father Emmanuel Lemelson.
Speaker 2: Are you doing father, Thank god, Peter doing very well
and very happy to join your show. Thank you so
much for the invite.
Speaker 1: Of course, of course you were just you just appeared
on my friend Buck Johnson's podcast. And yeah, we're going
to talk about a different subject than you guys talked about.
But before we do that, please introduce yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, my name's Father Emmanuel Lemmelson. I'm a Greek
Orthodox priest, but I'm also an activist investor. I'm also
a writer. We have a sub stack that we recently
started that you can see there below my name Lemmelson
dot subseac dot com. And I've been a priest for
I guess about fifteen years, but had a life prior
to that as an entrepreneur and an academic. As a
young person, I thought i'd be a teacher, a professor,
something of that nation. But life took me in a
different place. And I'm as an orthodoxposure like many author exposures,
I'm actually married with a family. So for the Catholics
out there, it may seem a little different, but most
of our clergy are married.
Speaker 1: You sent me a video that I guess it was
an interview you did, but it's actually well produced and
it looks like the first minute in fifty five seconds
is a really good introduction. This isn't something I normally
do on the show, but I think this is a
good way to kick off the kickoff the conversation. So
let me play this absolute.
Speaker 2: Let's get some popcorn, all right? You trusted the market,
You believed injustice.
Speaker 3: Hey Nicola shares or tumbling after a short seller called
the company quote an intricate fraud built on dozens of lives.
Speaker 2: Then the unthinkable, A giant fellow billions vanished Trevor Milton,
a name whispered then shouted across Wall Street. In a
lifetime of listening to stories about innocent people wrongly prosecuted,
I have never heard anything like what happened to Trevor Milton.
He cried foul, a quote hit piece. He called it
a deep state conspiracy orchestrated by quote evil forces.
Speaker 3: So as short seller, as a person or a fund
that actively bets against you, that your stock is going
to collapse, so unlike a regular investor that buy shares
and they hope that the stock goes up. Short sellers
buy shares and they force it down. So it's like
a it should be it should be completely illegal.
Speaker 4: What was your reason for partning, Trevor Milton?
Speaker 2: But what if the very architects of the accusation were
the true manipulators? What if that quote hit piece was
a spotlight?
Speaker 4: Did a world drowning and distorted narratives? One unlikely voice
rises a man who exposed the real corruption. Shen't understands.
They're play abook, the lies, the leverage, the ruthless quest
for power.
Speaker 2: This guy, he's a Greek Orthodox priest, able to work
and be a man of the cloth.
Speaker 5: This is actually kind of like the opposite of Wolf
of Wall three, where he was Belfert was trying to
like promote the stocks and then sell out before everyone
else did. This is you know, the you know, the
inverse of that, where you're you're taking a short position,
you're betting against and then trying to put to push.
Speaker 2: The stock down silenced for good, kill the messenger. They
will fight, they will deceive, because when the truth is
an inversion, nothing is as it seems. This is part one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well that was a lot, Yeah, just a little
bit going on there, I remember that Trevor Milton episode
why don't you, Why don't you kick in and give
some background about you know exactly what we're gonna talk
about here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when I saw that Trevor Milton episode on
Tucker Carlson, I was I woke up in the middle
of the night and just it came up in my
feat or something on X and I started watching. I
was outraged because Milton was being presented as this sort
of faultless guy. Now, I'm not here to pass judgment
on on there, relitigate his case. He was already found
guilty of fraud and he was exonerated by Trump speak.
But what really, you know, drove me nuts is that
the lawyer he hired to help get him cleared was
Brad Bondi, the brother of the sitting Attorney General Pam Bondi,
who incidentally was the same lawyer responsible for my unlawful prosecution.
And I was struck by Milton because one, I mean,
reading the reports on his conduct in his history, it
looks to me like the jury probably got it right
in his case. And I wanted to find I wanted
to be a sympathetic fewer. Frank, you got to understand that,
you know, the saying the enemy of my enemy is
my friends. So we're talking about the US government here,
not shedding any tears for the US government, But this guy,
I mean, what he was doing was unbelievable. And for
Tucker to come on and basically say the short sellers,
who do some of the best research out there, are
these bad dudes who are manipulating RT is just so
far removed from the truth. It just was infuriating. But
getting back to Bondie, you know, BONDI will deny this.
He'll say, oh, he had nothing to do with Trevor
Milton's pardon, but I'm very suspect of that. I would
bet if I had to that he was one hundred percent,
one thousand percent the person responsible for his pardon, and
as I said, same person responsible for ensuring that I
spaced ten years of unlawful prosecution by the US government
for exposing a fraud in the pharmaceutical industry. So, you know,
to the extent your listeners are interested in what really
is the deep state? You know, it's not it's not
a theory. It's not this thing that people think might exist.
I've sat across the table from this Bondie character, and
I know how that family operates. And you know what,
the Epstein files coming up again in the public purview,
and this problem of aolage redacted files. It just reminded
me when I was exposing the Ligen fraud, that the
particle comes called Ligen pharmaceuticals, the fraud I exposed, and
I just remember Brad Bondi redacting all these files and
clawing them back and hiding the fraud so that this
sort of unlawful prosecution could move forward. Anyways, Ultimately, I
took on the government one after over a decade and
spent a pits compared to Milton. Milton spent apparently like
one hundred and eighty million dollars. It's both of Nichola's
cash and his own. You know, he cashed out almost
a billion dollars from the IPO created no real enduring value. Obviously,
Nicola went bankrupt but lost. And he's on Tucker Carlson
crying like a little baby basically, and Tucker is a
sympathetic guy. I'm thinking, what is going on here? This
is ridiculous. So it's a complete inversion of the truth.
And I watched I just got in fear. I'm like,
you know, I'm going to make a podcast episode about that.
It was intended to be a three part episode. That
was part one. We never actually got to part two
and three. I might still make them, but I just thought,
I know your listeners might be interested in the story
because this Bondie family, they're like the definition of parasite
on our government and on our society. The harm they
do from the shadows. You know, a lot of people
don't know. Nobody really knew Pam Bondi very well prior
to her appointment as the Attorney General unless you followed
the Epstein saga in Florida before it became a national headline.
But the way they operate, these people in the shows,
these attorneys, they're they're not really political operatives, believe they
or not. I mean they are sort of in a way,
but they don't take up political position I think I
should care about anything. Their Their god is actually money
in power, and they'll they'll probably sell not probably, they'll
sell their own mother actually to increase their power or
their money. So I have first hand experience with the
same players involved in the Nicola saga. Uh the Levelson
versus the US government not as well known, but just
I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that episode that Techer
Carlson produced. He might be a good guy, I don't know,
but he got it dead wrong on that episode.
Speaker 1: One thing you said there short selling, Yeah, I mean
I understand what short selling is. It's betting against the
you know, you believe that a stock, a stock or future,
any kind of instrument is going to go down, so
you se so you you borrow money to sell it. Basically,
that's well, you borrow your security, You borrow the security
to sell it. You may remain to do that, but
right you bar the security, you sell it. There's a
difference between doing that and doing things like like what
the who is a guy? Uh, I can't remember the
the billionaire zionist who talker is always talking about Bill Ackman, Yeah, who.
Purposely they will seek to destroy a company's you know,
short the stock and then seeks to destroy a company's
reputation in order to you know, make make millions and
billions off of that. I mean shorts. There's a difference
between short selling me sitting here and saying, you know,
I think I think Apple is going down, so I'm
going to bet against it, and somebody who has the
powers absolutely destroy the reputation of a company, thus tanking
the stock, tanking a stock that they've already shorted to
the two to millions.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, you're leaving one thing out of that, You're
leaving out accounting fraud. Now you're referring probably to one
of his more high profile shorts, which was Verbal Life.
And look, I'm not a huge fan of Bill Ackman.
I think he's a pretty smart guy. I also thinks
kind of a pretty boy. I mean, I don't know,
he's looks like that, really soft hands, but I'm not
here to judge. The bottom line is he was actually
in on the pharmaceutical jig that I was shorting. So
his investment he was long Valiant, which had the exact
same business models like in pharmaceutical And I'll tell you
these sobs in the pharmaceutical industry, they prey on the
sick and the dying, the most vulnerable in our society. Now,
you might say, what's a priest doing on Wall Street? Fine,
I get it, but you know, because that brings up
the issue of usury and Christianity and the whole history
and all that. Let's put that aside for a minute.
But if you come across an accounting fraud and you're
a fiduciary, first of all, you have a civic, moral,
and ethical responsibilit to expose it. Now, if you're also
a fiduciary overseeing capital and you're let me tell you something.
With the accounting frauds, the chickens always come home to roost.
They're actually guaranteed returns when you're right. So if you're
a fiduciary, you're ever seeing capital, and you come across
a fraud, then you've got a responsibility, if a ducial
responses to your investors, to also short it. So I
always wonder when people criticize short stays so well they
just trash companies, ruined their reputation. If that company is
a fraud, you're not trashing or ruining their reputation. You're
exposing the fraud. And in fact, the Gospel says have
nothing to do with the fruitless acts of darkness, rather
expose them. So Bill Acktin plays both sides of it.
As far as I can tell, he was actually right
about herbal life, though he lost a fortune on it.
I agree with him. Herbal life was a pyramid schame,
praying on vulnerable customers. If you can call him that,
I should call him victims actually. But then he was
completely indifferent on his valiant investment, which also lost a fortune.
So he knew what he was buying in value. You know,
he testified for Congo. I didn't know what was going
on the drug price increase, had no idea. Give me
a break. The guy is not dumb. He's a lot
of things, but he's not dumb. And so you know,
I don't like that kind of investing where you take
no moral position on anything. And you know, sometimes I
think you can tell the people who are take the
least the comoral stand pete by how wealthy they become
because they're compromising all along the way. It's the guys
who won't compromise who don't make billions because they put
their foot down when they come across from that's wrong.
And no matter what the cost is, they're not willing
to be silenced.
Speaker 1: No, it makes sense that if you find out that
a company is committing fraud, which at this point I
have to wonder how many big companies aren't well.
Speaker 2: I always say we're living in a golden age of fraud.
It's gotten out of hand. It's embarrassing. It's a totally
embarrassing place. I mean our country. We used to care,
we used to have guidelines. We've got a completely corrupt regulator.
They see it's the most corrupt regulator in the US government.
That's that's a remarkable statement, given the fact that DC
is such a swamp. But the NEC has powers that
no other branch of government has. They can silence speech.
Most people don't know that. It's really really unique. They
were given a statute by Carns called ten B and
they created a rule from well, they were given a
piece of legislation called ten BE and they made it
rule ten B five, which allows them to sound. So
that's why CEOs are so careful in convience calls, what
they say, what they don't say. The SEC can silence people,
and they try to silence me. And let me tell
you something. You know, Plato once said, there's nobody more
hated than he who speaks the truth. All you have
to do to get the government's wrath upon you speak
the truth. And there's so much broad it's so endemic,
you know what. I wrote open letters to Congress about
the ligand fraud. The company went on to collapse like
seventy eighty percent, lost billions of dollars. Shareholders got wiped out.
It was a total blood bath. But these the executive
management team, John Higgins, the CEO, and a lot of
his executives were able to sell tens of millions of
dollars the stock before the stock crash because Brad Bondi
co opted the government to hide their fraud. So while
they publicly accused me of being one of these short
sellers you're describedment they call short and distored is the
term for it, where you're putting up misleading information to
crash and stock price, when in fact I was putting
out the most the best research on the company you
could find anywhere. In the fraud they were committing, they
actually insulated the ligan fraud, got the seat to publish
completely and knowingly false information about their financial condition. The
insiders all sold and the thing collapsed. Go figure.
Speaker 1: How much it's that corrupt.
Speaker 2: It's that corrupt, It's so bad. If you saw the
heart of Wall Street from where I've sit, what I've seen,
you might never ever go near it again.
Speaker 1: How much shortened a store goes on almost none.
Speaker 2: There's been four shortened store cases brought by the SEC
since its inception. The other I was. I think I
was the fourth one. Maybe I was the fifth. We
researched all we introduced almost we've researched almost a thousand cases.
Very rare. They all have the same profile. Usually somebody
publishes under a pseudonym, meaning they don't you don't know
who's publishing it. They will use derivatives to amplify the leverage,
and they'll hold the position, usually for about fifteen minutes
after a breaking news type story. So, for example, the
other three cases are like this. Somebody comes out and says,
the CEO of Microsoft was just assassinated on Twitter, and
like just moments before that, he takes out all these options.
Right on the stock price went down, He disseminates such
of fifty analysts on Wall Street. The stock crashes, he
covers it makes a killing, disappears, nobody knows who he is.
He to do the pseudonym. I published under my own name,
held my position for four months, published fifty five pages
of research, made over nine hundred allegations of business accounting
and securities fraud, including two open letters to Congress hid nothing.
They couldn't find anything wrong. They had to lie and
manipulate to try to make it appear as if I said.
And by the time we got to trial, you know
what they had told the jury. They said it might
be accurate or true statements, but it's still misleading. What
the hell does that mean? When was accurate and true misleading?
Accurate and true cannot be misleading. I was charged for
statements admitted by a company I never necessariated in.
Speaker 1: That sounds extremely Talmudic to me.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's I'm going to tell you something interesting.
I don't I don't want to say I can anti Semite.
I'm I'm not. But all the lead prosecutors in that
case were. They were Jewish. They also were very anti Christian.
They're also are extremely liberal left. The whole SEC at
that time had become an infestation of LGBTQ ideology, rainbow
flags everywhere, and inclusion parties, and and you're asking, what
does this have to do with policing markers now? But
in all fair, I'm gonna say my lawyers were also
some of my owers are also Jewish, and they were
great lawyers. I'm just want to put that on the record.
I had a great lead litigator representing me, and so
you know, the the the whole thing though like at
the SEC, like it was so anti Christian, like like
they leaked Brad, they leaked to Brad Bondi, who had
like a hit piece written about me a Wall Street
Journal and Bloomberg and like Bloomberg Polish and are like
three big crosses on Golgatha and like they would be
asking me questions like do you think you're Jesus Christ?
Like what does this have to do with my research
report on the Ligen fraud? You know, it was like
it was insane, like absolute insanity. Pete and the CEO
of that coming in I'm going back him for a second.
John Higgins and his IR rep this guy named Bruce Wasss.
I remember sitting in the trial and uh, one of
my lords in Oredan goes, He's like, these guys are
totally gay. I'm like, wow, you know, I think he's right.
It never never occurred to me. I Mean the guy's
blaming gay and so I realized I have this like
they're like in their fifties, they're like these angry gay men.
They like they hate the church. Probably. They certainly hated me,
and you know, I'd expose their fraud and they were
able to successfully visa v BRADBONDI co opt the entire
US government to try to silence me. When I say silence,
I don't throw that word around lightly, Peter. We uncovered
an email during discovery from the executive's company saying, Lemelson,
this is a quote needs to be silenced for good.
What does that mean to you? That's how Akos talks.
That's what you're dealing with now. Incidentally, and you can
look this up online. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Well, when you say casstra, I'm like, well, because.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it has one meaning.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know it's an ethnic mob.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I guess so. But any mafia could talk
that way. It could be the Asian mafia could journey
and anyway. The point is that a guy who lived
not far from where I lived in Vermont at the time,
had my legal first name. My legal name is Gregory,
my baptismal like THESS names of Emanuel, his name was
Gregor Gregory Davis. You can look him up. Family man,
just like me, beautiful children, same age. In his forties,
he was a whistleblower on another pharmaceutical company, just like me.
I submitted five whistler reports on Ligen. Now, the XEC
says they protect whistleblowers and these people at Ligan who
had all sorts of conflicts of interest, the co heads
of enforcement at the time, Steve Peakin and Stephanie Avakian,
that was their names. He can had been working for
no Vartis, which was Ligan's license that was making a
billion dollars at the time off the drug Promacta that
I said it was worthless and that they were just
basically praying on the sick and the dying with a
worthless drug. Anyways, he approves the case against me. Brad
Bondi's involved. Brad Ryans were formal former high ranking officials.
They In fact, he was counseled to the current Chairman
of the SEC, Paul Atkins. So he's been around the
CEA for like twenty years. Everybody knows them. He opens
and closed doors. Ever, it's a revolving door between these
you know, white shoe law firms on Madison Avenue and
the SEC. So he gets this case approved at first
like it brings it to the SEC. They're we're not
going to touch it. Guy didn't say anything wrong. Then
they hire Brad BONDI case gets brought right away, he goes,
he calls his pals, they prove the whole thing, and
Enry Greg Davis gets two bullets in the head. So
when they're saying we want to silence levelson for good,
like it's sort of serious. So you know, absolute tragedy,
and you know, I know his widow, and you know
when they say they wanted to be silenced for good.
And again the CEO of that company, you can look
it up. It's in the Vermont court system. He's actually
I think you just got a life sentence. He was
a Turkish guy. But again, it's really weird, like a
gay guy. I don't really understand if there's a coincidence
or what's going on, but like, these are angry gay
men in their fifties who hate I guess truth, honesty,
I'm not sure what it is. They love fraud. But
the whole pharmaceutical ustry is just an infestation of terrible,
terrible business conduct, and anyone who tries to expose it
is really at great risk. And that's what I was
caught up. And then you've got these scrupulous attorneys, you know,
these attrains, you have no moral compass at all, Like Bradbye.
They're paid you know, tens of there then an eight
figure range what they're getting paid, and they'll make anything
happen to soulence the critics. So it's a really it's
a it's like a very unholy alliance.
Speaker 1: You could say it's far outweighed that somebody. If somebody
is being prosecuted or being persecuted by the SEC, they're
probably if they're trying to expose if they're exposing fraud,
If you're trying to expose fraud, you have a much
better chance of being prosecuted than if you're actually committing fraud.
I mean, I think so thousand percent.
Speaker 2: You know, look, there's tons of pump and dumps going on.
In fact, the Liging case was a pump and dump.
It was an inversion of the truth. They put out
the headlines, it was a shortener score. It was actually
the CC helping Wagan insiders pump the stock price up
so they could sell. We've got a great presentation on
our website. You can look up on mvona dot com.
It's a mvo NA dot com and we have got
a link to the whole present all the evidence. There's
one hundred page deck. It's really fascinating if you're into accounting,
fraud and stuff, and how the secs are completely captured
regular I mean, they work, They totally work for the
pharmaceutical industry or whatever big interest is, you know, willing
to pay these lawyers to open the doors for them.
But you know, at the end of the day, we
had Ligand on the stand in court admitting to trading
helping hedge funds trade on material non public information. That's
insider trading. The transcripts are right there. There was a
hedgeponk called Cardinal Capital. They actually went out of business
because when you're dishonest, that's what happens to you. They
had an eighty million dollars long position and Ligan and
we actually showed the emails. Could you could see the
emails of Wagen giving them inside information, material non public
information so they could trade on it to try to
push the stock price up, to try to Squol's my
short position completely without question illegal. So when I'm watching
this Tucker Carlson episode with Trevor Milton, I'm like, is
this even real. I couldn't figure out, like, is Tucker dumb?
Is he corrupt? I couldn't put my finger on I mean,
I just I could not understand for the life of me,
because I know all the prominent short sellers, and I'm
telling you, Peter, they do the very best work on
Wull Street. There's always gonna be some bad apples, and
there have been apparently a handful you can count on
one hand, and they were prosecuted and they succeeded in
those prosecutions. They clearly did things wrong, but by and large,
the short sellers are the ones doing the best work
because you know what, Peter, they can lose an infinite
amount when you're longest stock, you can lose one hundred percent.
When you're short. There's no living on how much you
can lose. So you've got to be right. And most
of the guys out there, and how short selling is
basically dead right now because partly because of the Lembos
and case, it's scared. It's scared the hell out of
short sellers. When the government came after me and then
the DOJ opened an investigation to several other prominent short sellers,
and they, you know, got very scared. So it's almost
like the government sending a message like get the short
cellars out of the way because they're doing the best work.
And then you can create this what I call a
golden age of fraud, which is what we're seeing right now.
Speaker 1: And it seems that they have.
Speaker 2: I mean, Bill Ackman has got out of short songing
DNS a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Well he wasn't good at it to get it with, well, okay,
he lost millions. The whole gay angle makes a whole
lot of sense. These are people who they're not going
to have children, so they can devote the whole they
can devote their whole lives to hate.
Speaker 2: No, marriage is the natural course of things, and when
you don't do that, you get a very frustrated man.
To be sure, unless he's deeply religious.
Speaker 1: The amount and especially in the GOP, the amount of
gay men in g I mean people think that this
is like the left in America, like it comes up
with a meme of some sort. But no, when there
are like GOP events or conservative events in like cities, No,
the grinder app does actually crash.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you have to ask you, you have to
ask yourself if you actually believe that these people are
out here working for you. Oh, they're going to fight
for you, you know, in an age of fraud. As you're describing,
why are there? And it's all about family values and
being right wing and being Christian and being you know,
tp us a yata all this stuff. Why are there
so many homosexuals just infested in this I.
Speaker 2: Don't know the answer to that question, Peter. I can
tell you though, at the SEC when I was there,
every woman was butcher. I'm I can tell you right now.
It was like the woman who was like charged with
interrogating me. Her name is Virginia Rosato di Selet. You
can look her up on LinkedIn. And they deposed me
for forty seven hours. You know, Elizabeth Holmes, the founder
of Throno, she's in jail right now. She was to
post for four hours. Bernard made off, I'm sure you've
heard of him, to post for zero hours, forty seven hours.
The only thing left for them to do was to
waterboard me and call out German shepherds and like put
a spotlight in my face. Anyways, this woman, Virginia, Virginia
Resulta just this foul woman. She's all of like four
and a half feet tall, five feet tall, like just foul,
like just complete. I mean, I was like, if she's married, man,
I feel sorry for her husband. Other than I realized
like there's no way she's married. And I started looking
around me and I'm like, wait, they're all like this,
they're all gay and lesbian. And then like you go
on their website and they have this video they'd play like.
It was super disturbing. We actually did two other episodes
about My Unlawful Prosecution, episodes twenty nine Parts one and two,
So twenty nine Part one, episode twenty nine Part two,
before we did this episode on the Treble Milton Connection
with Brad Bondi, and we actually captured a video they've
since taken down off their website. It's the biggest LGBTQ
propagandavide you'll ever find in your life. And it's really
disturbed because not only shou all these gay men at
the SEC on his game, so you might say, father
and many others a little crazy. He's just talking about
all these things he proceeds, but now they're openly promoting it.
It's not like it's up for debate. It's not my opinion.
It's not subjective, but you know it's kind of disturning.
They show all these men and like with these children
around them. It's like, wait a second here, this is
really disturbing, Like where is this going. So you know,
if you think the SEC is there to regulate and
police the markets, like you'd be profoundly confused. He really
has nothing to do with that. It's it's well, you know,
in the Scripture and the Holy Scripture, we say that
it's been said that sinfulness is lawlessness, So there is
a connection between living a life of sin and living
in lawlessness, a complete disregard for the law. So the
SEC has a total disregard for the law. Everyone who
was involved in my prosecutor, the lead prosecutor, Mark Jones.
And it was hilarious too because when I started bringing
I started naming people after I was winning and stuff
we wanted to trial. It was an incredible trial because
the SEC the jury completely ruled against them all our
fraud allegations, and they still put out a press release
saying I was found liabel for a scheme to fraud,
completely false statement, and they won't take it down to
this day. They got four false press releases out there
so that didn't work. So then they tried to drag
me through this administrative process to try to bar me
from the industry. They felt more you know, unlawful pleadings
and what's called ultra virus lawsuits. They went and actual
found another lawsuit against me without EVE getting commision approval,
which is completely illegal. So this guy Mark Jones, Jewish guy,
I never mentioned that before today is the first time
mentioned since you brought it up and his partner al day.
I mean that really very quite effeminate. So you've got
the mask and the feminine roles there. At any rate,
he gets all offended. I start bringing up his name,
and I'm thinking, he's like, oh, you're an anti Semite.
I'm like, I never I didn't even know you were
Jewish till you accused me of that. But it makes
perfect sense because like everyone else is in, you know,
and it's just, man, what a what a circus? Pete?
You know, what a circus? But you know, I'll tell
you something. Ninety eight percent of people targeted by they
see settle. And there's this guy Leon Cooperman. You might
have heard his name. You knew Bill Lackman, billionaire. I
think it's worth about four It was about four worth
about four million dollars when he was charged by the see.
I don't know if he was really guilty or not.
He might have been. It kind of seemed to me
he was actually But anyways, he goes on Bloomberg and
they interests was like the legendary investor Leon Cooperman. You're like, oh,
this guy still Gray's legend, and he's got actually mediocre
returns and he's literally, I'm not kidding you, literally crying.
He's crying on TV. Like I don't know what the
thing with grown men crying is. I guess it's like
a thing that's been occurring in our society. But I'm like, dude,
you are worth four billion dollars. You have complete dno
insurance to cover you, to defend you against the SEC.
He's like, I'm never going to settle. And then he settles.
I think he paid h one hundred and sixty million
dollars something. I don't know the exact amount, but he
totally settles. So I'm like, you know, what a whimp,
what a weak man. You know, I didn't have four
billion dollars to defend agacy. I gave away most of
what I owned when I was young, and you know what,
I still bought them for a decade and one. And
you know, and that's after Bloomberg did one hit piece
after I mean, you saw it in that first two
minutes of that show. That was an episode Bloomberg did
on me. I you know, I called the producers and
the editors. I said, you know, why don't you put
me on the put me on that show. Let me
tell my side of show, Like, oh no, we're never
going to do that. Really, that's great. Anyways, So a
lot of these presentations Brad Bondi created for the SEC
were full of lies. And it's interesting because we were able.
He's also a super sloppy attorney. I call him sloppy
Brad Bondi because he gave us all these document who
weren't supposed to get. And two of the really important
things came out of that. One was that you know,
they resent this drug to prey on the sick and
the dying, and they gave us by accident. Brad Bondi
gave us back in this president called Project gold Mine,
and it was a meeting between Ligan and Novartist and
novartis one of the biggest farms fool companies in the world,
discussing how they're going to prey on people who are
dying from a serotic liver from hepatitis CE. Hepatitis C
had been cured by Gilliad Sciences at the end of
twenty thirteen, and that was the focus of my reports,
not only their financial malfeasance, but they're ethical failures. So
I would go to the hospital, I'd be praying for
the sick and the dying, and these people were going
to the hospital and saying, how do we squeeze the
last buck out of them we can because they're so vulnerable,
and so they were feeding them this drug that had
no therapeutic value at all, Tromacta. They had a curable disease.
So Valdi was a drug that Gillia had developed. It
totally cured HEPATITISIE, which I don't know if you know this,
but prior to the pandemic was killing more people every
year than any virus in the world. So when it
was cured, it was like a cure for polio. It
was like it was like a miracle drug. And so
but Liagan and Obarnas went on to make billions of
dollars off Promacta, even though it was totally worthless. So
one I got a hold of Project gold Mine, which
really exposed the whole racket. And then it was funny
because we could see these emails between the executive lig
and they're like, how could this priest have the high
returns he has. It's not possible. He's ranked consistently one
of the top heatchron managers of the world. He must
be committed fraud. So we just got to find the fraud.
And it's funny because we got all these emails that
they try to call back and they're like, but we
can't find the fraud. Everything seems specked out. And he
publishes his audited reports and it was really quite funny.
So really, you know, just an unbelievable thing. And then
you know, I thought more about it as Pam Bondi
sort of ascended to power. And then what happens at
Brad Bondi started getting all his clients like Brad Byen
never did. He couldn't win cases to save his life.
He's he's not smart at any way. He's just corrupt.
So all he can do is operate in the shadows
and then all of a sudden, his sister becomes Attorney
General and his clients are like the Nicola founder, Trevor
Milton get Partons, And it wasn't just if he had
like five people cart pardoned like successively. You're like, well,
that's incredible, track walkerd It's probably one for the Guinness
Book of World Record, Like no attorney in history has
had five of their clients pardoned in succession like that.
Caroline Amnesty was another one. Anyways, it's just hilarious because
he's he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room,
but the whole world can kind of see what he's doing.
But you know, it just just blows my mind the corruption,
you know, Pete that goes on, and it really it
irks me though as a priest, and put aside of
being a priest, as a man, I mean, what kind
of man would you be if you saw this fraud
and you let it happen like see Bill Ackman. That's
why I don't respect him because he invested in Valiant
and he knew exactly what they were doing. Ligan was
a feeder company for comings like Valiant. They would find
these old obscure molecules like promacta, and they get it
what's called the Orphan Drug Act designation, which gave him
like patent like protections. I think could just jacked the
price up.
Speaker 1: So we hear a lot about how Scott Bessant was
brought in to fix the to fix the financial system,
and you know how Jerome Powell has to go at
the Federal Reserve, even though he seems to be the
best Federal Reserve chairman since Vulgar? In my opinion, is
there any fixing this financial system? Is there anything that
can be done to fix this financial system other than
burn it's of the ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that shit ha sailed Peter. I think
you've got to burn to the ground. Not literally, obviously
we're speaking metaphorically. But you know, in nineteen twenty eight,
nineteen twenty nine, things got out of hand like this.
People are openly running syndicates and insider trade interest was crazy.
And you know this institution. Usually institutions, the older they get,
the more corrupt they become. Modern Wall Street is not
that old, but it's old enough that I guess the
corruption's compounded. And then you've got a government that increasingly
has been pretty much a run and controlled by big
Wall Street banks. You know, look at the Golden SAX
alumni in powerful positions for the last couple of decades. So,
you know, I don't see how they can fix it.
You can't send you know, box to watch the hen House.
Speaker 1: People think that this that not only the financial system,
but the system itself can actually be fixed. And when
you have a system that's run by that's infested with homosexuals,
first of all, I mean, I'm sorry, the Lord's not
going to bless that.
Speaker 2: You know. I think that the key thing is really
that movement says it all. It's pride is the issue.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: People say, well, we're Christians, we love the sinner. That's
not exactly right. We love a repentance center, like the
God loves a repentance sinner. Is what we learned. You
cannot say that. I mean, who amongst us without sin?
None of us? Right, But it's one thing to say
I feel regret and remorse for my sins, and the
other to say I'm proud of my sins. So they'll
tell you what the main sin is. It's not. Their
main sin is not sexual misconduct. The main sin is
pride over their sexual proclivities. That is actually the more
serious one, which can't be seen. It's in the heart.
It precludes repentance. We can repent from any sin, and
we're all guilty of them, heat or sexual, homosexual whatever.
Only God can judge. But when you're proud, then you
cut yourself off from the very thing that you need,
which is God's love. Without repentance, we can't even begin
to taste the sweetness of God's love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a system that's basically built on everything there.
There's nothing there that can be considered to be holy
or set aside. The people still fighting for it. And
I can understand fighting for your people, fighting for your ethnos,
fighting for your your nation, a nation being a people,
fighting for your your fellow co religionists, fighting for this
thing that is beyond this is beyond saving. And you
you don't want to say that about a person ever,
that they're beyond saving. But when you can look at
an institution, you can look at a structure, you know
you can there there there will come a time when
this house will be beyond saving and will need to
be will need to be torn down and rebuilt. And really, yeah,
you can't show me anything. You can't show me anything
in the in the United States government that's worth saving
at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I had a prompt road seat to that
for over a decade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you this. You you alluded to
this for for a second, but I wanted to come
back to it. Being a Christian and being engaged in usury,
being engaged in hedge fund, being engaged in the system.
How does one square that circle.
Speaker 2: That's a great question, you know, Pete. The problem of
the prohibition on usury, which existed in for centuries in Christendom,
is real. In a perfect world, we would not we
would not have the collection of interest. But I'd like
to think that my work will be viewed favorably by
the Lord in so far as I've given so much
of my life for it. I mean, I don't know
that we can call short active as a usery. First
of all, you're borrowing a share and selling it short,
and you're uncovering fraud. The one time the Lord shows
anger in the Gospelers, I'm sure you know it's in
the courtyard of the temple with the money changers. So
modern Wall Street is the money changers. The liquidity providers, right,
And so if you're out there exposing fraud and crashing
it and paying a huge price, huge, blacklisted, debanked, untouchable,
and you refuse to settle. They asked me seven times
to settle, and I told them to. You know, I'm
not going to tell you what I told him, not
the most priestly thing, but you know, in terms of
earning a return on capital for our shareholders, I have
yet to meet a Christian group that isn't directly or
indirectly involved in Wall Street. And I get calls all
the time for help and advice from very high level people,
include monasteries. I have yet to meet a faithful person.
Speaker 6: I get.
Speaker 2: I get that. Sometimes I feel like, oh, father, what
are you doing? That's wrong? You're you know, it's terrible,
You're a wolf in sheep's clothing all that. Really, But
then if that were true, then why is everyone connected
to Wall Street? You know, from the investment committees at
Catholic hospitals and universities to parishes that have their investment accounts.
The difference is most of those people are just not
going about in a particularly intelligent way. They just outsource
it to somebody like an advisor who's not even really
an investor, it's just a salesman, and they're not really
good stewards over that capital, like a work with the
church at the highest levels, the highest levels, and you know,
I would just say, we really can't ask people to
make donations to the church if we can't tell them
that we're good stewards over the capitol. So the idea
of stewardship, particularly like Matthew twenty five for example, I
think is very relevant. In fact, it specifically makes reference
to earning interest on one's talents, and talents being a
measure of money at that time we use it to
describe charisms. Now charisma, but talents was a measure of money.
So in a perfect world, would we have Wall Street
and usury? Probably not. But the reality is everybody's already involved.
So all I've tried to say is that I don't
think we're better Christians by sticking our head in the sand.
I think we're worse Christians. I think we should open
our eyes and be intelligent about it. That's what I
have tried to teach.
Speaker 1: Well, considering how the system is built and considering that
you're if you were to try and divorce yourself from
everything that was you serious. You basically wouldn't be able
to buy food. You wouldn't be able to I mean,
you'd have to grow your own You'd have to be
living off the grid and grow your own food. Because everybody,
this is the system that that has been built, and
it's a system that we we exist and it's a system.
You know, I have no you know, I know some
you know I have I have another. I have another
friend who he's uh, he's Protestant, hard hardcore, very very
ecumenical when it comes to respect respect between between you know,
Catholics and Orthodox and everything. And he has he has
a hedge fund and he's like, look, I mean, I
just want to do good. I want whatever I do,
I want to do well with it. I want to
I want to put it to good use. I'm not
doing this for for for the most selfish of purposes.
I'm doing this so that I can I can serve
my people. And I think that you know, when you're
in a system where basically the whole system is an
enemy to you, the one way when you examine the
way that you can fight the system the best is
by acquiring as much capital as you can. Then it's
hard for me to place, you know, to judge somebody
for wanting to do what they can to use the
system to actually gain the gain the means they need
in order to protect themselves from it.
Speaker 2: Well, that's right, Pete. And I would often tell people
too that if we don't have Christian voices in the market,
then you know, we're going to leave it to the
you know, the great investment thinkers. Ben Graham was a
Jewish man. His greatest and most famous student, Warren Buffett,
is agnostic. I don't know how people think he's wise.
He's telling you he's not. Why he he's agnostic, which
literally that to logical root is he doesn't know. So
a wise person can't say they don't know. And so
every commentator who gets on the NBC you mentioned Bill Ackman,
like they have a religious position, it's not a Christian one,
so like, shouldn't we have a voice and and but
the reality is that we are held to a higher standard, Peter,
as Christians, and we cannot overlook Christ's words that the
love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
It's true. So it's really super risky to take that
path and work on Wall Street. I just tell people
to stay away from it. Actually, people ask me. I'm like,
you know, just go get a job doing physical workers
and you'll be so much healthier spiritually. Like the spiritual
risks are tremendous. There were the risks of wealth and power.
Could money gives you power? Right, So you've got this
confluence of money and power, and then you can make
a lot of wealth without doing a lot of work,
even if you're not talented. But it's not like I
went to Wall Street and they opened me with open
welcome you, with open arms, like, oh, we're so happ
to see you. Father mag has got a drink, you know, Like,
that's not what happened. Look what happened to me, you know.
So that should tell you that, you know, we in
so far as we have the system, we have this
remarket capitalist system, we can't just stay out of it completely.
I don't think we have to have a position in
a voice. And like everything I've written, I've written hundreds
of articles on these topics, on fraud, on stewardship, on
a Christian philosophy, and investment, on value orientation. Should take
the work of say Ben Graham Warm I say, what
would you do with this if you were a Christian?
You know, because you got like what's Warren Buffin do.
He's like he's financing abortion essentially with his charitable contributions.
Like the guy's got a fortune. Like if we had
Christians with that kind of capital, they might allocate it differently,
which would make it, you know, a demonstrable difference in
the world. So I don't think we can just say
you know, and I see this, I see it all
the time, like priests and hires like, oh, I don't
touch that, you know. I'm like, let's be honest, you're
just ignorant and you're putting your head in the sand
versus dealing with the problem. You know, Like if you're
an accountant, there's a lot of good Christian accountants and
you come across the company and say you work at
a CPA for them, and they bring you their books
and they're totally cooked. You're gonna do nothing about it.
You go to watch the investors get pleased. You're going
to watch it like was taxing that it was policing
the taxpayers, the investors, the sick, and the dying. I mean,
everyone's getting pleased, so we can do a lot of
good Peter. As Christians, we have to have courage. But
the goal should never be the accumulation of wealth. You
might accumulate wealth, but it shouldn't be the goal, and
it definitely should not be directed inward. If you're thinking
about how do I get the next Rolex and I
love the new Porsche, and that's what's in your mind,
you're going to get into a crisis as a Christian.
If you're going there because you want to protect shareholders,
you want to protect taxpayers, you want to do your
job as a good steward and a fiduciary, and you
have a good beyond yourself, then I would say go
for it, but you better be pretty spiritually mature, and
you better be grounded in prayer and the fear of God,
because you're going into a pit. You're going into a
pit with a bunch of serpents.
Speaker 1: Frankly, what do you think the average you know, what
should a Christian be doing in this in this system
right now? Know, I mean it it's falling apart, but
you know it could take decades for it to fall apart.
So in the meantime we have to be able to live,
and we not only live, we have to be able
to thrive. And that's you know, that's a hard thing.
A lot of people have bought into, you know, what
they call the black pill, where it's like, well things
were just why should I even care? Our Our government's
occupied and no one and it's like, no, I know people,
I know, regular people who are doing really well. They
don't have the education that people who are complaining about
things have, but they're they're thriving, they're living. You know,
how now shall we how now shall we live?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: I think to a certain extent, you've got to get
off social media a little bit and then constant scroll
of news because it's highly manipulative. We are Christians. We
live with hope. You can't live in despair, and we
cannot live with fear. You can't say I'm a faithful Christian,
I'm afraid of tomorrow. That's a contradiction. Fear and faith.
Like oil and water, that'll mix. So look, empires come
and go. If the American Empire is on the way out,
it wouldn't be the first one. And we are the
people of God, we belong to Christ. So this political
system works, This one doesn't this one comes to pass.
This empire did well, they didn't do. I mean, look
at the British empires. It was something under years ago.
Now it's basically nothing. Let's say. So, maybe this is
the end of the American Empire. I don't know. I
pray it's not. Actually, I really love America in a
lot of ways. I'm very saddened by what I see today.
But you know what, as Christians were first and foremost,
we belong to a kingdom of heaven opinion of God.
That's the first citizenship we have is in that community.
And so we pray for the country. We pray for
the political leaders. We don't need to go and attack
them all the time for their failures. Yes they fail
their politicians, everyone knows they're not alter boys. And we
take care of the things that are we have direct
dominion over that we have been entrusted with, namely our families.
If you're married, think care of your wife and children.
That's what you should be worried about. If you're a
married and a family man. You don't need to solve
all the political problems of the world by going on
social media or fretting over them or being afraid for tomorrow. Yes,
you should be wise as a serpent, and innocent is
a doup. You should prepare for the worst if things happen,
be very shrewd and wise financially, and the way you
prepare yourself for inevitabilities which may occur. But you know,
you just can't go through life afraid or in despair
or with a sort of spiritual numbness. You're talking about
a listlessness, if you will, an apathy about there's no hope.
And I think we see this in the young generation
where they're making reckless decisions. They're gambling wildly online with
sports betting and you know, meme stocks, and they're like,
I better just get rich quick because there's no hope
for a career or a job or family. I don't know.
That is horrible. I mean, that is just a horrible
way to look at the world. So that's what the
devil really wants. The devil loves discouragement perhaps above all else,
you know, Peter. So you can't you can't give into that.
You got to fight that. And the way to fight
it is by participation in the life of the church,
participation with the community, and to cultivate an inner life
of prayer. And if you're married, definitely with your family.
And if you're not married, then with the family you
came from, your parents, your siblings.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about this too. You know, people,
it's often thrown in our face, even by fellow Christians,
that you know, we're supposed to love our enemies. And
I'm the first one to say, yeah, it says to
love our enemies. It doesn't say to love God's enemies.
Nowhere it does it say to do that. But what
a lot of this can bring people to is not
not only despair, but hate. And you're starting, you're you're
seeing that in a lot of young people. And what
I've taken a saying is if you if you're consumed
by hate, you can't build any you can't build anything,
you can't go Yeah, you're you're not You're not constructive,
you're not useful. You're not useful to anybody, including yourself.
So what do you when you see people getting consumed
by hate? And I want to say consumed by hate rightly,
but not rightly, But you can understand why somebody is
being why somebody can become consumed by hate when they
look around at the world today, especially if they have
a firm, if they have a foundation in some kind
of ideology or something like that. How do you how
do you recommend we deal with hate?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's no such thing as a righteous hatred.
There's a righteous anger, but anger allowed to fester, be honest,
that it's shelf life becomes hatred. And I think you
hit the nail on the head about ideologies. You know,
if you are, you know, we're wired for religion. People
say I'm not religious. I say, really, Like, tell me
about your life. I'll find a religion in your life.
It could be your daily ritual of going to Starbucks,
could be you know, your gambling proclivities, could be your addiction. Important.
We'll turn anything to a religion. But there's only one
religion that doesn't hurt us, and that's the one that
revealed to us by God in the person of his
only big godden son Christ. That's the only thing that
doesn't hurt us. Everything else, if we do too much,
it hurts us. Prayer does not hurt us if we
do too much of it. Participation is sacramental life of
the church does not hurt us. It heals us. Actually,
so hatred is a prison for the heart, Peter. It's
a horrible, horrible place to be. It paralyzes you. It
paralyzes your spirit, your psychology, your intellect. You, like you said,
you can't build anything. So be very very careful of
the snares of the devil that he will suck you
into a political ideology or some other ideology that you
begin to make that and end in itself, because that
place is reserved for God. We are designed to glorify
one thing only, and that is God. When you start
glorifying something else, like you will destroy yourself will stop. So,
you know, if you find yourself getting so into despair
and you find that hatred is building up, which is
a terrible, terrible emotion. There's probably worse emotions like jealousy
or something like that, but you know, are feeling of
betrayal like hatred is really really corrosive. They're actually all corrosive.
The devil probably loves it when you're angry enough that
it turns into a sort of crystallized hate. But you
have got to let that go. And one way to
do it is to remember the very simple prayer the
our Father that will be done it's that simple. Like
hatred is a byproduct of believing that you have control
over the outcome everything around you, and that is simply
not right. That is not true. It is completely false.
And when you stand before and all knowing and all
loving God, in all of your finitude and you realize
you didn't give yourself one thing that you have, it
was all given to you freely, that's very freeing. They
say that will be done. I don't have to control
the outcome of everything. You start to remember the blessings
in your life, the fact you got out of bed
and you put two feet on the ground and stood up.
Some people didn't have that this morning, so you've got
a chance at it better tomorrow. That's what hope is.
The despair and discouragement and all these things that the hatred, bitterness,
it's from the devil. There's actually beautiful things around you,
you just got to have the eyes to see them.
There's a lot of aul goodness. But don't think everything
around you is ugly. When you see ugliness, turn away
from it. If it's doing something unjust fight it, but
do it with an understanding that you are in relationship
to your God, not that you are alone. You didn't
bring yourself into this world. You didn't give yourself life,
You didn't give yourself anything out one hair on your head.
It was all given to you. So don't go through
life thinking that you've got to control every outcome and
your will is going to be done and it's going
to trump everyone else around you. That is just a
formula for disaster. And I speak from experience from my
early life.
Speaker 1: When you look around and you notice that you're being
ruled by your enemies, anyone who at this point is
really taking politicians seriously and they're not just completely like, yeah,
this this person is my enemy, but I don't they
have no they have no real power over me. You know,
ninety nine point nine percent of the people who are overlived,
they're not gonna be targeted by the state individually kind
of thing. I mean present company and that small uh
in that small percentage, But the how do you live
when you realize that you're surrounded by your enemies And
not only you're surrounded by your enemies, but actually your
enemies are in power.
Speaker 2: Thank god, I means you're doing something right. Look who
changed history? People who are surrounded by enemies start with
the archetype. You know, say to yourself, Hey, grit, I'm
in the club. If they take Christ and drag him
through streets, blog him, put him through the most ignominius
death you can imagine. Nail him to a cross, put
a crown of Thords on his head, make fun of him.
He did nothing wrong by all accounts, even the Romans,
good friend with What do you mean about you? Don't
do anything wrong? Consider yourself a good company. Mean you're surrounded
by your enemies. Better to be surrounded by your enemies
than to be your enemies because they're living in darkness.
You cannot do it alone. If you're a humanist, you
cannot make it to church, you cannot bring yourself to
make the sign of the Cross, you cannot live with
or try even to make a step towards God. Is
going to be very hard for you, very very hard,
because no human has the power to do that. But
with God all things are possible. But with God, all
things are possible.
Speaker 1: What's the best way to protect you when you're what's
the best way to protect you in yours? Then?
Speaker 2: Well you have to be shrewd and wise. Begin with prayer.
If you have a clear mind, stay away from drugs
and alcohol. You know, be aware of your surroundings to
be sure, but don't do it in such a way
that causes you panic or anxiety, which a lot of
people probably suffer from in our society nowadays. Teach your
wife and children you're the head of your household. If
you're a man listening to this, you're the head of
your household. What does that mean? Take up your cross
and follow Christ. Be willing to be crucified. You cannot
shy away from that. Your job is to provide physically
for your family, to be sure, but you also have
to provide for their salvation, which means your children need
to see you praying from time to time, if not daily.
You need to take your family and say, let's go
to church. Let's participate in the sacramental life of the church,
and help your neighbor occasion if you can. When you
do that, when the focus is off yourself to the
good beyond yourself, because you or what you are in
relationship to your goad, and you realize that you feel
that love that you are unworthy of because actually you
begin to realize, actually, I'm a sinner as well. Yes,
that politician is horrible, but maybe there's things in my
heart that aren't so great. Maybe they're worse. Like that politician.
He's out there like in the public, it's pretty bad,
but nobody can see what's in my heart. Only I know,
but God knows. And then he said, well, okay, I'm
gonna make fun of apologies because he's dumb and he's
corrupt and all that. But like I got to really
focus on myself and my family as well. That's very freeing.
So then now you're like you're helping your family, you're
leading them, you're teaching, you're providing for the salvation. You're
teaching your kids how to pray. You're helping your neighbor
out whenever you can. Even he he might do something terrible,
Like I had somebody do something terrible to me recently,
but I had this feeling like somebody was wrong. You know,
I just went and I brought her a gift. She
would be treating me terrible at this person. And then
just just yesterday actually was just today, I just found
out she had a close family that died. I felt
so bad. But then she changed, you know, she'd become humble.
So like when someone's doing something bad to you, tell
you like, like, what's this person going through?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously be wise about nobody should mistreat you,
but like you can have a little bit of flexibility
with people, A little bit of human understanding goes a
long way. Just show a little kindness sometimes, you know,
to people, And I think that will go a long
way for your sanity. You don't want to be in
that situation where every day's dark and every day you
know this anger is turning into hatred and your heart's
in prison and your family is going to be suffering.
You're going to be Yeah, you got with that, go away,
just you know you'll be able to think clearly too once.
I really believe that in the silence, especially the silence
of prayer, Peter, that we find the truth. I truly
truly believe that. So you say, well, what do we
have to every man's life is different, every circumstance is different,
and everyone's got to draw his own boundaries. Of course,
you shouldn't, like said, should let anyone you know abuse
you or take advantage your family or something like that.
But you're going to find those answers in the silence
and in prayer. You will not find it by scrolling
on X to be sure. I'm a thousand percent sure
of that. There's so much manipulation, especially with the power
of AI now, so you've got to get back to
the silence, the quiet and really focusing on gratitude for
the simple things, cultivating a life of prayer, and fulfilling
your role, your unique role as a man. And again
if you're married, as a husband or father or whatever.
For some people it might be taking care of their
elderly parents if they're not or something like that. But
you know, that's the things you have control over. Everything
else is thy will be done. Oh you're persecuting me.
You found me worthy of Look eleven years. I was
persecuted over ten years, Peter. I was person by the
US government. Every major financial newspaper in the world wrote
something terrible about me. And you know what I tried
to do during that time. Of course, I had great
advisors and people prayer, but I just try to say,
you know, thank you God that you found me worthy
of this. I don't know what I did right to
be found worthy of this, you know, And I wouldn't
trade it for anything today, Peter, as I look back,
because we can only understand and interpret our suffering in hindsight.
When we look back when we're going through it, we
cannot see it clearly. Always say is why did this happen?
I didn't deserve it? Why am I going through this?
But you know, that's a lack of faith, that's a
crisis of faith. If we believe God has a plan,
that he's ultimately in control, that he sees everything, then
we will say there must be reason for this too.
And then very often with faith, when we look back
and we have that spiritual eyes to see see the
purpose for that, you see it often enough. I'm not
the only person who's gone through something you know, sort
of terrible and said I wouldn't change it for the world.
You hear that from people all the time. So you
have to be open to these things that happen. We
can't spend our whole life saying we want to minimize
pain and suffering and maximize pleasure and avoid every thing
that discomfort, discomfortable, you know, is uncomfortable or cause us discomfort.
Maybe you have a calling, you know, maybe God found
you in this position of our country that's suffering, or
with your local politician or counted town rapp or something,
because you're supposed to fulfill an important role to it.
Maybe that's you're there for a reason. You got to
think about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think about the that most people they want
to change the world before they change themselves.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just the spirit of our age. And that's
the way it works is we don't see the faults
in ourselves before we before we look outside. I think
people think that they can fight a war against an
enemy without being ready for it, without building up to it,
and they don't realize it, like the biggest enemy that
they have is themselves.
Speaker 2: I think that's exactly right, Peter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there and.
Speaker 2: They can't see they can't see it. We're all guilty
of it to some extent at some point in our life.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I mean yeah, guilty one hundred Yeah right here,
this guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The only the only way out of it is humility.
And the way to humility is prayer. And humility is
the prerequisite to love and love. You know, love of
the truth will set you free. As Chris says, the
truth will set you free. You have to love the truth.
The way to find this is through humility. So uh,
it's it's a fight. You know. Look, we're we're all
in a we're all on a journey together, you know,
we're we're all trying to find the answers and move forward.
But the Church, in her wisdom, provides the framework. But
we've got to show up there. We got to hear
the word of God again, particularly in the sacrament of
life with the church. You know, you you don't find
people who cultivate that into your life of prayer, who
have these feelings of hate or frustration, depression, anxiety. It
just doesn't exist. There's a reason for that.
Speaker 1: So and you'll have a moment, You'll have moments, but
you won't be consumed by it. You'll capture. Yeah, you'll
catch yourself and hate, You'll catch yourself in anger, you'll
catch yourself in despair, But you're gonna pull yourself out
of it because there's if you if you allow it
to fester, you've become of no use to anyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll tell you when when I was undergoing
this trial with the SEC, which is the fool way
to the US taxpayer coming against you. It's differently normal
civil litigation and normal civil litigation. People worry about the
money they're spending the budget on, like the government has
like basically a limitless budget, so they're just it's like
having an elephant set on you for a long time.
They set out first to show you economically so you
can't open a bank account. Nobody would work with you,
like no one wants to be your administrator, your udit
or whatever. Nobody wants to talk to you. That's their
goal because they want you to settle so they look
like they're right. But during that time, if I could
just share a little bit more, Peter, you know, I
began building the chapel of Saint Catharines in the mountains
of Vermont, and you look it up, it's Saint Catherine's
Orthodox chapel. And that was my service to God. So
every morning I would wake up and I'd go for
a walk through the forest. And in the silence walking
through the forest, you know, verma saw snow so it
muffles any sound. And I would walk to the you know,
the place where I was building Saint Catharines, and I
would get on my knees and from the time when
we had a slab poard for the altar, and they're
the solea where the faithful would say, I'll go on
my knees and there was no ceiling of maybe a
couple of walls, and I'll just kneel down and I
would pray, you know, Lord, Jesus Christ, I'm living out,
had mercy on me a sinner that those words the
Jesus prayer, And I would just repeat that, and I
would say, you know, God, you know, just show me
the right way. And I don't want to settle with
these people. They're wrong, they're predators. But I'm just one man.
But I know that if God is with you, who
can be against you? It looks like an insane fight, right,
the US government on one side and just one dumb
priest on the other. Like who would think, I mean,
Leon Cooperman folded the all fold. Public companies fold all
the time, and the two percent, I'm guessing a lot
of them, you know, might be guilty, and they you know,
they have to fight it. But that was my service
to God. And as the SEC was getting ready to
charge me publicly, because this thing went on years and
years and years and years, you know where there's actually
the moment we had a chance to put the cross,
this beautiful Justinian cross on top of the dome that
was probably thirty thirty five feet up in the air,
on this beautiful dome. You have to look it up online.
It's just it's a beautiful chapel, glory to God. Not
because of me, because of the moving of the Holy Spirit.
But I'm putting this huge cross on the top of
the dome. And and honestly, I was just in tears
because I felt so privileged to be able to build
that where the faithful could come and in light a candle,
and to be in that sacred place while all this
was going on. So you know, we we have to
give our service to God, our goal to we no
matter what happens in our life, we you know, our
life is meant for God will stop, you know. So
you know, that's how I was sort of dealing with
it when it was going on those trials, is that
I thought, I'm going to build this place of worship
to glorify and the living God. And so that case
is coming gone, and now we're just waiting to get
our legal fees. The SEC's on the hope for our
legal fees. Now it's pretty extraordinary I think it might
be one of the only times in the history they
see where they're actually liable now for someone else's legal fees.
Is there in my case, and so that case is
coming gone and people will forget about it eventually, But
the Chapel of Saint Catharines will I will endure. It
will be there for the faithful. Did you pull it
up online while I was talking to you. Do you
see it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, it's it's incredible.
Speaker 2: If you go to the Facebook page, you can see
actually see the inside with all the handcarved woodward. It
was all work. It was really a labor of love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see it.
Speaker 2: And people offering me donations, I know, No, I don't
want any money. I'm just going to do this myself.
You know. We never accepted any donations or anything. It's
open to the public. It's all hand carved inside and
all that stainless steel. It's all real materials. That's African
mahogany around the top and hand polish stain and steel
from Germany on the dome AND's like three quarter inch
slate from local queries on the roof. It's it's really
it's actually the first Orthodox church to be built in
the state of Vermont.
Speaker 1: Leave it or not, Well, do you want to promote
your podcast and we'll get out of here.
Speaker 2: I'd love to shamelessly promote it. We have a podcast
on YouTube. It's at levels and we don't have a
huge following yet. It's just emerging. We have bigger followings
in other platforms. It's a very visual podcast. You saw
obviously almost two minutes of it today. We try to
put on an episod about every week or two. We
hope people will come and watch it. It's really a
labor of love, like Saint Catharine's. And of course we
have our substack, which we're growing quite quickly. I just
learned today actually that we're ranked number seventy on the
site in the Faith and Spirituality category. There's over fifty
thousand publishers on substack. We've been at it consistently for
about seven weeks. We're already rand number seventy. So glory
be to God for the support we've gotten. And we're
incredibly grateful to people like you, Peter, because we couldn't
do any of it without support from people like you
and your viewers. So if you're inclined to watch some
pretty unusual podcast episodes. You can do so on our
YouTube channel at lemmelson. We're also on Facebook and x
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name and any feedback, comment, criticism. We're happy to hear
from you and just grateful for any support we get.
Speaker 1: I'll length all of it. Thank you, Pabo Lamelson. I
appreciate it absolutely. Peter, thank you so much for having
me on the show. Hope we can do it again
sometime