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Speaker 1: Monday, September two, twenty nineteen was Labor Day. It was
Speaker 1: a day that many people circled on their calendars, the
Speaker 1: unofficial end of summer. Well last chance to soak up
Speaker 1: the sunshine, to hike and to explore. In southeastern Ohio.
Speaker 1: There's no better place for that than Hawking Hills State Park.
Speaker 1: With over twenty five miles of hiking trails, massive rock formations,
Speaker 1: explorable caves, and towering waterfalls, this park is the perfect
Speaker 1: place to get lost in nature. For many, it's like
Speaker 1: a sanctuary. But on Labor Day twenty nineteen, it became
Speaker 1: something else Entirely.
Speaker 7: Nine or one, where's your emergency.
Speaker 3: Okay, what.
Speaker 7: Treatment light? Okay, take a brook. You're an old man's cave, yes, okay.
Speaker 7: And what happened you're say, flow down. I can't understan
Speaker 7: what happened.
Speaker 8: On?
Speaker 7: A tree branch fell on some one? Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 7: are you with that?
Speaker 1: Afternoon, the Hocking County nine one one dispatch center lit
Speaker 1: up with panicked phone calls, all coming from teenagers. They
Speaker 1: said a log had fallen from the cliffs at the
Speaker 1: state park and hit a woman hard in the head.
Speaker 3: I remember being in.
Speaker 9: The park and just making goofy memories, and we decided
Speaker 9: to go on a hike to one of the other places,
Speaker 9: and he ended up getting lost. We were talking about
Speaker 9: running marathons and just laughing and making good memories when
Speaker 9: we started to hear a bunch of cracking tree branches
Speaker 9: in a large cracking sound, almost as if a tree
Speaker 9: had fallen. As I heard this sound, I turned around
Speaker 9: myself and Bella, only being two steps away from her,
Speaker 9: and I watched as a seven foot log falls from
Speaker 9: the sky and strikes Missus Shaeffer in the head.
Speaker 3: My immediate reaction was to bend down to help her.
Speaker 1: The woman hit by the log was a forty six
Speaker 1: year old professional photographer. She was also a beloved wife, daughter,
Speaker 1: and mother of four children. Her name was Victoria Shaeffer.
Speaker 10: Victoria managed to complete her undergraduate schooling and later after
Speaker 10: her marriage, she graduated with a master's degree. One of
Speaker 10: Victoria's most fortunate life decisions was to meet and eventually mary,
Speaker 10: someone she met while we were on a family vacation,
Speaker 10: to maybe Fritz Shaeffer. While I had been notoriously hard
Speaker 10: on all her previous boyfriends, this one appeared to me
Speaker 10: to joe promise, and he definitely loved her. We were
Speaker 10: blessed over the next several years with four wonderful grandchildren
Speaker 10: who have made us extremely provident.
Speaker 1: As a photographer. One of Victoria's regular gigs taking portraits
Speaker 1: for local high school students.
Speaker 11: I think she did fifteen weddings ninety or so high
Speaker 11: school seniors. She owned a sports and school photography business
Speaker 11: that she was building up in many other events.
Speaker 9: Victoria Schaeffer was one of the most kind hearted, amazing
Speaker 9: people I have ever met. She never let anyone show
Speaker 9: their face smile. How could you when you were around her?
Speaker 9: She always knew how to make you smile, just the
Speaker 9: way she wanted you to get the perfect picture. And
Speaker 9: it wasn't just because she was taking your picture. You
Speaker 9: were genuinely happy to be around her.
Speaker 1: On Labor Day of twenty nineteen, Victoria had gone to
Speaker 1: Hawking Hills State Park with a group of high school seniors.
Speaker 1: They had just finished a photo shoot and were walking
Speaker 1: towards the parking lot to leave when tragedy struck.
Speaker 3: The other seniors.
Speaker 12: And I can tell you it started with the crack
Speaker 12: of what sounded like tree branches falling down on us,
Speaker 12: which having you friends particularly looking around, until my eyes
Speaker 12: had met a huge log hitting the side of the
Speaker 12: Schafer's head, bringing her to the ground instantly. And I
Speaker 12: will say this image is in my night years, in
Speaker 12: my mind forever. First light, second, I was in shock
Speaker 12: before then jumping to see if she was all right,
Speaker 12: but she was just lying there, lifeless. I tried calling
Speaker 12: out her name, hoping to get a response, but there
Speaker 12: wasn't one. At this point, we still had hope, just
Speaker 12: thinking she was unconscious. But in the back of our
Speaker 12: minds we all knew.
Speaker 1: From the teenager's perspective, a six foot long, seventy five
Speaker 1: pound log had seemingly fallen from the sky. It came
Speaker 1: down with crushing force, landing directly on Victoria, killing her instantly.
Speaker 13: The group was following along this trail back to the
Speaker 13: parking lot when out of nowhere, a seventy plus pound
Speaker 13: log came crashing down from above, crushing the photographer. The
Speaker 13: students and other people nearby called nine to one one,
Speaker 13: but her injuries were far too severe.
Speaker 5: She had a twelve inch.
Speaker 4: Long gash on the top of her head three inches wide.
Speaker 11: The broker's spine in two places, crushedber chest cavity and
Speaker 11: broke six ribs, along with multiple other internal and external injuries.
Speaker 1: Since this tragedy had taken place at a state park,
Speaker 1: two agencies were responsible for figuring out what happened. Victoria's
Speaker 1: death was investigated by the Hawking County Sheriff's Office in
Speaker 1: Ohio's Department of Natural Resources.
Speaker 14: We're right above the top of Oman's Cave. Is what
Speaker 14: I know this has on top of here. To my
Speaker 14: left is there's a walkway where the tunnel would be located.
Speaker 14: In front of us is where the tree stomp was located.
Speaker 14: And we'll be walking doing a walk through here and
Speaker 14: what we believe is here located in this section is
Speaker 14: where the approximately six foot log was located at which
Speaker 14: you can still kind of see where the love was
Speaker 14: looking had with this colouration, or it's been there for
Speaker 14: quite some time. From there, it was carried over approximately
Speaker 14: about where Nicole ian Rose is at where they're getting
Speaker 14: ready to go off the side. They're going to do
Speaker 14: a exact measurement from the edge down to where the female.
Speaker 4: Decease was found.
Speaker 1: Investigators quickly determined that Victoria's death wasn't a freak accident.
Speaker 1: This wasn't the case of a tree falling or a
Speaker 1: log simply rolling off a cliff by itself. All the
Speaker 1: evidence indicated that someone had moved the log and thrown
Speaker 1: it over the edge. In other words, Victoria hadn't simply died.
Speaker 1: She had been murdered. This news not only stunned the community,
Speaker 1: but it also left Victoria's family completely devastated.
Speaker 5: One of us called Victoria had died.
Speaker 15: Our family initially believed and there had been a natural
Speaker 15: accident and acted God, if you will. In my mind,
Speaker 15: I could have accepted that she died doing what she
Speaker 15: loved and that no one was responsible beyond nature itself.
Speaker 4: It was only days later, when.
Speaker 15: Investigators told us that they believed that this was no
Speaker 15: freak accident, that it began to feel differently about.
Speaker 16: How she was killed.
Speaker 1: The next step for investigators was to figure out who
Speaker 1: had thrown the log that killed Victoria and why they
Speaker 1: had done it. They questioned whether this had been a
Speaker 1: planned attack or if someone had simply made a reckless
Speaker 1: and deadly decision. Initially, only one thing was certain, whoever
Speaker 1: threw the log hadn't come forward. They fled the scene
Speaker 1: without ever saying a word. Eventually, investigators received a tip
Speaker 1: about a young man who had allegedly taken responsibility for
Speaker 1: throwing the log. Nineteen year old Isaiah Singrey had been
Speaker 1: at Hawking Hills State Park and his family had reported
Speaker 1: express concern that he might have been involved. A few
Speaker 1: days after the incident, investigators went to Isaiah's home to
Speaker 1: speak with him.
Speaker 4: Sure SAMs the door.
Speaker 1: When an officer knocked on Isaiah's door, there was no
Speaker 1: response For nearly fifteen minutes. About ten cops searched and
Speaker 1: lingered outside his home. They peered through windows, looking for
Speaker 1: any sign that someone might be inside, but they saw nothing. Finally,
Speaker 1: the front door opened, but it wasn't Isaiah who appeared.
Speaker 1: It was a young woman named Raven. She was Isaiah's
Speaker 1: girlfriend where else?
Speaker 17: So if he's not here, you probably don't care for
Speaker 17: us to step in and look, Raven, we're not playing.
Speaker 4: We know he's here.
Speaker 14: Don't get yourself and doesn't something you don't need to
Speaker 14: be telling you.
Speaker 4: His butt out here.
Speaker 1: When investigators questioned Raven, she lied and told him that
Speaker 1: Isaiah wasn't home, But when they pressed her and asked
Speaker 1: if they could check the home, she shrugged her shoulders
Speaker 1: and walked back inside. A few moments later, Isaiah finally appeared.
Speaker 4: Come on, Isaiah, are you yeah?
Speaker 5: You're scared shit out of him? What? Oh? No, I
Speaker 5: never had done shars pull up to my house.
Speaker 4: Before looking for me. You never had that happen.
Speaker 5: That's a good thing.
Speaker 14: We need to talk to you about something serious and
Speaker 14: need you're honest truth and want to get some something
Speaker 14: care of.
Speaker 5: You need to get the walk or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna go for a ride and what's this
Speaker 4: all over? Well, that's what we're gonna go.
Speaker 5: Have a chat.
Speaker 1: His officers placed Isaiah in the back of a police cruiser.
Speaker 1: Several of his family members began arriving at the house.
Speaker 1: They were immediately questioned, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I watched the news yesterday the very ving, and.
Speaker 4: I had a feeling it was my kids.
Speaker 5: What made you think that?
Speaker 18: Because all the pictures on Facebook of them climbing.
Speaker 4: That wall, and I don't know, it was scary. What
Speaker 4: did What did Isaiah tell you that they didn't know
Speaker 4: they cut any other.
Speaker 3: That they didn't know if they did hurt somebody, They
Speaker 3: didn't know.
Speaker 4: What did Isaiah say he talked over because he talked
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 5: Oh, he didn't tell me.
Speaker 3: He talks anything over.
Speaker 5: Oh God, what did Isaiah say that?
Speaker 4: But they were climbing on rocks.
Speaker 9: Yeah, climbing on kave and something else supposed to be
Speaker 9: on He said he didn't know what happened.
Speaker 3: He didn't know anything hurt anybody.
Speaker 4: Into the next day, Well, how do you think he
Speaker 4: heard somebody something fell and landed on there?
Speaker 5: I watched it on kream at school today.
Speaker 4: Did Isaiah say what it was? He didn't.
Speaker 3: He was trying to look at it to see what
Speaker 3: exactly happened on Krim.
Speaker 4: But it said that a log or a tree fell.
Speaker 1: On top of her.
Speaker 5: They say about it three year alone Isaiah.
Speaker 3: No, he just said that he was just saying that it's.
Speaker 4: The petty killed someone. That's what.
Speaker 1: Allegedly Isaiah. I thought it was dope that he had
Speaker 1: killed someone. If you're older than me, that means cool
Speaker 1: or hip or groovy man. Between his refusal to answer
Speaker 1: the door when officers came knocking and these statements from
Speaker 1: his own family, things weren't really looking rosy for Isaiah.
Speaker 1: So investigators brought him and his girlfriend Raven, into the
Speaker 1: sheriff's office for questioning, Well, why did.
Speaker 4: You why did you lie about it? Would Isaiah being there.
Speaker 18: Because he told me to tell you guys that that
Speaker 18: he Wasn't.
Speaker 19: You think that's a normal response. Yeah, our experience, gilly
Speaker 19: people usually high in line. Do you know what happened
Speaker 19: on save porps? And why you're here talking to us?
Speaker 19: No idea Isaiah thought he killed somebody?
Speaker 3: Well, my mom taught.
Speaker 20: Isaiah that him and my brother was being the playing
Speaker 20: for killing somebody Labor Day.
Speaker 4: But I don't know that's what do you think we're
Speaker 4: talking to you about it?
Speaker 21: Because they Isaiah and my brother was like off the trial.
Speaker 1: According to witnesses, Raven's brother and Isaiah had entered a
Speaker 1: restricted area at Hawking Hill State Park. They'd climbed a
Speaker 1: cliff that put them directly above the spot where Victoria
Speaker 1: Schaeffer was killed. When investigators questioned Isaiah about this, he
Speaker 1: seemed genuinely unaware of what had happened. During his interview,
Speaker 1: Isaiah described the path he and Raven's brother had taken
Speaker 1: through the park.
Speaker 22: So what happened I kind of called it a little
Speaker 22: just on the news and I looked it up and
Speaker 22: they didn't say anything about looking, praying anybody or nothing.
Speaker 5: Just something happened to lady at old Man's Cave.
Speaker 4: Well, let's get this, which what time did you get
Speaker 4: through Saturday?
Speaker 22: I couldn't probably about two o'caoll because we said he's
Speaker 22: gonna start about twelve when we used a couple of
Speaker 22: hours later.
Speaker 4: And you guys into the men's cave. Yeah, So who
Speaker 4: else do you know that was there with you? Uh?
Speaker 5: My girlfriend's brother.
Speaker 4: He was Zylan Dylan right.
Speaker 21: Yeah.
Speaker 1: During his interview, Isaiah described the path he and Raven's
Speaker 1: brother had taken through the park. He also openly admitted
Speaker 1: that he had climbed into a restricted area when the trails.
Speaker 22: That go up and around this world tall and he
Speaker 22: could look straight down like this. It's a straight jawball. Okay,
Speaker 22: we looked down like that, and then we noticed there's
Speaker 22: a rock down below us. So we walked all the
Speaker 22: way around. When we got to the bar, but ether
Speaker 22: they had a sign and said don't climb, and we
Speaker 22: only climbed up ply about so.
Speaker 19: There's a sign and he claimed up anyways, well, it's
Speaker 19: only like they literally have chats that.
Speaker 5: But listen, it was only like ten twenty foot up.
Speaker 4: That was about hot. It's like you don't have a
Speaker 4: somebody that says, don't push you right button, and you
Speaker 4: push you rybun.
Speaker 5: Oh my, that's like ten to twenty foot high.
Speaker 22: And we got up there and we got our pictures
Speaker 22: taking and stuff, and we climbed down. We didn't do
Speaker 22: stupid shit angle I t we did this climb up
Speaker 22: when like the rocks that said do you don't climb
Speaker 22: one and.
Speaker 5: Take a picture a few but that was it.
Speaker 1: Isaiah claimed that the only thing he did after climbing
Speaker 1: into that restricted area was to take some photos. He
Speaker 1: said nothing about throwing a log or anything else off
Speaker 1: the edge of the cliff.
Speaker 4: Well, there was comments that was made about you thinking
Speaker 4: that you killed somebody?
Speaker 23: Was that?
Speaker 4: I mean, where did this come from?
Speaker 5: That?
Speaker 22: Because everybody said this is why her this is how
Speaker 22: very first her ponent, my girlfriend's mom calls me crying
Speaker 22: and she's like, I'm like that should be Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was like, what the hell is your called them?
Speaker 20: Dude.
Speaker 4: She's like, they're.
Speaker 22: Saying you and Dylan killed some girl at the National
Speaker 22: Forest And I'm like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 5: And she's like, well, you guys went off the chaniel signed,
Speaker 5: took the pages and stuff. They're saying that something flop
Speaker 5: and hit some lady and killed her.
Speaker 1: As investigators spoke with Isaiah, it became clear that the
Speaker 1: tips they had received were nothing more than rumors, most
Speaker 1: of which had been started by his overly concerned mother.
Speaker 4: But something did happen that I was a person to
Speaker 4: die out there cast quick day?
Speaker 15: It was.
Speaker 4: It was Monday.
Speaker 5: It was Monday, so I'm clear. I'm well, did you
Speaker 5: do it?
Speaker 4: What did you call? Anything over? Is there anything over?
Speaker 5: I wasn't even there Monday Saturday.
Speaker 1: The truth was Isaiah, Raven and Raven's brother hadn't even
Speaker 1: been at the state park on the day Victoria was killed.
Speaker 1: They were there on Saturday, two days before the incident.
Speaker 1: On Labor Day when Victoria died, both Isaiah and Raven
Speaker 1: were at home all day with their kids.
Speaker 4: What day were you out of homens gave? What day
Speaker 4: were you out there this last Saturday?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Did you come back any like?
Speaker 5: Good?
Speaker 7: Back?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Did you ever after Saturday?
Speaker 19: Did you back to wimenskav So you never came back here,
Speaker 19: back to Livia back if it didn't go out to
Speaker 19: the caves?
Speaker 4: It doesn't like that, No Saturday, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Fortunately for Isaiah he was cleared of any wrongdoing. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: for investigators, they were back to square one. The question
Speaker 1: of who killed Victoria Shaeffer was still unanswered, and it
Speaker 1: stayed that way for a while.
Speaker 24: Here at Second in Walnut Streets in downtown Chilicothee, just
Speaker 24: forty eight hours after Victoria Shaeffer's death, in front of
Speaker 24: her photography studio, here people have already started to drop
Speaker 24: off candles and flowers to remember her.
Speaker 23: It still hits me with a lot of shock that
Speaker 23: she's just not here, and I feel worse for her family,
Speaker 23: especially her younger daughters.
Speaker 24: Hoped for a resolution to the mystery surrounding her death.
Speaker 24: And the apprehension of the person or people the ODNR
Speaker 24: says are responsible for somehow dislodging the tree limb that
Speaker 24: fell on Schaeffer, killing her as the group hiked Hawking Hills,
Speaker 24: snapping senior photos along the way.
Speaker 23: They probably never meant for that to happen, because Victoria
Speaker 23: was so loved. I couldn't think of somebody would want
Speaker 23: to hurt her.
Speaker 3: Just I hope that they come forward, you know, and
Speaker 3: admit what they have done.
Speaker 18: Her family deserves that.
Speaker 24: Odn R, the Hacking County Sheriff's Department, and BCI are
Speaker 24: all investigating the incident. They're asking anyone that may have
Speaker 24: seen something suspicious regarding Shaeffer's death to call authorities.
Speaker 1: For over a month, there were no answers to the
Speaker 1: mystery surrounding Victoria's death, but in early October twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: the Hawking County Sheriff's Office received a credible tip, this
Speaker 1: time from a mother and her teenage daughter.
Speaker 25: My daughter is a student at Logan Heights Colfox, and
Speaker 25: she has the friend that she writes to us with
Speaker 25: and this friend boyfriend admitted to her that he took
Speaker 25: part in the guest of I'm trying to think of
Speaker 25: what her name was, Miss Shaeffer. Actually, I'm going to
Speaker 25: have you speech to my daughter. She can give you
Speaker 25: the information a little bit better than what I can't.
Speaker 3: Okay, Hello, Hie.
Speaker 26: A girl at the bus list Bailey Cherry, her now
Speaker 26: ex boyfriend, Jordan Buckley, apparently was one of the two.
Speaker 25: Boys at the park who partook in the branch falling
Speaker 25: down and hitting Miss Shafer. He says he's not the
Speaker 25: one who hit it. His friend who he's with was,
Speaker 25: but I don't know his friend's name.
Speaker 4: What grade is Jordan named tenth and apparently.
Speaker 25: The other boy involved in eleventh grade, but I Bailey
Speaker 25: said his name, but I can't recall it because I've never.
Speaker 4: Heard his name before.
Speaker 1: Investigators were given the name of a suspect, sixteen year
Speaker 1: old Jordan Buckley, a student at Logan High School in Logan, Ohio.
Speaker 1: They looked at a Jordan and confirmed he'd been at
Speaker 1: hacking Hill State Park on the day Victoria died. Then
Speaker 1: they got access to his social media messages. That's when
Speaker 1: it all started to make sense. Victoria's death wasn't the
Speaker 1: result of a random accident or a planned attack. Her
Speaker 1: death was caused by two teenage boys who had made
Speaker 1: one very reckless and irreversible decision. On September two, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: forty six year old photographer Victoria Schaeffer was killed at
Speaker 1: Hawking Hill State Park when a log fell from a
Speaker 1: cliff and brutally struck her in the head. At first,
Speaker 1: this tragedy appeared to be an accident, but it quickly
Speaker 1: evolved into a murder investigation.
Speaker 6: This actually happened back on the Labor Day of last
Speaker 6: year in twenty nineteen, and at first everyone thought it
Speaker 6: was just a terrible act of nature. A log comes
Speaker 6: rolling off a click in a wilderness area and then
Speaker 6: it evolves. So we pretty quickly find out from investigators
Speaker 6: that it was maybe not an accident, and I think
Speaker 6: that shocked everyone.
Speaker 1: After weeks with no answers, investigators finally identified as suspect
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old high school student named Jordan Buckley.
Speaker 1: According to one of Jordan's classmates, he had admitted to
Speaker 1: doing something terrible at the state park. Investigators went to
Speaker 1: Logan High School, took over a conference room and invited
Speaker 1: Jordan to have a conversation with them.
Speaker 5: But now I know this is about I was there.
Speaker 27: I think I don't know what day was on. It's
Speaker 27: next September. So this last month me and my friends.
Speaker 5: Were you're nervous and you're going to get it all out.
Speaker 5: That's great, and we want you to get it on.
Speaker 28: Just let me finish up a few things right here
Speaker 28: and we'll get We'll let you talk as much as
Speaker 28: you want.
Speaker 5: Nothing really happened.
Speaker 1: When Jordan was brought in for questioning, he seemed eager
Speaker 1: to tell his side of the story and talk about
Speaker 1: the day that Victoria died. That was, of course perfectly
Speaker 1: fine with investigators that day.
Speaker 27: Me and my friends, I don't know if you guys
Speaker 27: want me to give you their names or not. Oh yeah,
Speaker 27: it doesn't really matter. Jadien Churches, mariand the Spencer and aj.
Speaker 27: I don't know a J's last name.
Speaker 5: And it's just us. We were just walking around board
Speaker 5: so we were like, what's going to hiking?
Speaker 27: Just went on an ike, say he was an escape. Yeah,
Speaker 27: we were on skate that's where it went. And then
Speaker 27: when we went there, nothing was happening. But we went
Speaker 27: up like on the backside of the hill and we
Speaker 27: came back because some guys I told us to someone
Speaker 27: got smashed by branch. He said, we turned around and
Speaker 27: we went down towards the bottom part. As we came
Speaker 27: back up and there was a bunch of like ems,
Speaker 27: people going to past us and sirens and everything.
Speaker 5: Really, yes, we just.
Speaker 1: Went up to Jordan explained that he was at Hawking
Speaker 1: Hill State Park with three of his teenage friends, Jaden Churchis,
Speaker 1: Miranda Spencer, and aj Warren. Jordan claimed that while they
Speaker 1: walked the trails, a man came running past them and
Speaker 1: warned them not to continue on the path they were
Speaker 1: on because someone had gotten hurt. So the four teenagers
Speaker 1: simply turned around and left.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were on top and then some guy came
Speaker 5: up to us.
Speaker 15: I don't know who it was.
Speaker 27: It was an African American guy. He had long dreads
Speaker 27: and he came up to me and he said, don't
Speaker 27: go that way. And I asked him why and he
Speaker 27: said a branch fell down and smashed some woman. And
Speaker 27: I said a branch. He said, yeah, like a tree
Speaker 27: branch fell off. So we went down and then we
Speaker 27: walked down the stairs and we.
Speaker 5: Just came back and.
Speaker 1: Nothing really happened, naturally. The investigators were skeptical of Jordan's
Speaker 1: version of events, and they knew he was leaving a
Speaker 1: whole lot out of the story.
Speaker 5: Jordan, MH, I want should be honest with you dead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, before we come in here, we've already got our answers. M.
Speaker 5: We asked a serious questions that we have answers to you.
Speaker 29: All right, So this is the time of Clinton because
Speaker 29: there's allegations that brought me in shoe were they Well,
Speaker 29: you were there, you confirmed.
Speaker 5: That she was there.
Speaker 15: Didn't know that she was there.
Speaker 4: So there's more to this story.
Speaker 5: That's about the branch fan up on top. Well that
Speaker 5: I didn't do anything like I wasn't. I just don't
Speaker 5: like to snitching on people. The problem this is the time.
Speaker 5: It's not about station.
Speaker 30: This is about telling the truth, and telling the truth
Speaker 30: gets you even further than not telling the truth.
Speaker 27: We were me and Jayden walked all the way part down,
Speaker 27: like clear to the end, not for the battle bridges.
Speaker 27: This guy did say that to us, but we did
Speaker 27: end up going back down.
Speaker 5: But I just skipped a part of what we did.
Speaker 5: We walked all the way down to the end end
Speaker 5: of this and Jayden kicked off a branch, not a branch.
Speaker 5: It was a log. It was a big dog like
Speaker 5: this while this all he kicked it and.
Speaker 27: It rolled off to the cliffs and it made a
Speaker 27: loud bang. So we ran and we ran into Miranda
Speaker 27: and aj They had no idea.
Speaker 4: We didn't tell him that load.
Speaker 5: Yes, that log, that lo. He just kicked it. He
Speaker 5: didn't kick it up, pushing or anything.
Speaker 7: He just kicked it.
Speaker 1: It took investigators less than twenty minutes to get Jordan
Speaker 1: to break and to get him talking about the log
Speaker 1: that killed Victoria Schaeffer, though his account of how the
Speaker 1: log ended up rolling off the cliff didn't make much sense.
Speaker 1: He claimed that his friend Jayden had simply kicked it,
Speaker 1: but investigators knew that couldn't be possible.
Speaker 27: I don't know if I wasn't like paying attention what
Speaker 27: he was doing. So I don't know if he intentionally
Speaker 27: kicked it or if he, like someone.
Speaker 4: On it, did pick it up first and carry it.
Speaker 5: No, he didn't pick it up at all.
Speaker 4: About glasshole, how to get on the other side of
Speaker 4: the tree.
Speaker 21: I had no idea.
Speaker 30: That log that you just pointed to me right later,
Speaker 30: right here there was a pile of them right yeah,
Speaker 30: the tree, two of them remember those.
Speaker 5: There was a tree and it was in between the streets.
Speaker 4: It was like this, and he kicked it.
Speaker 1: The evidence at the crime scene told investigators that the
Speaker 1: log had been moved before it dropped from the cliff.
Speaker 1: Its original location was several feet from the cliff sete.
Speaker 1: There was simply no way that a single kick or
Speaker 1: even several picks would have caused it to fall.
Speaker 5: You've been following us on TV phone, What the story
Speaker 5: on TV?
Speaker 6: See anything on TV?
Speaker 5: Social media? I'm seeing anything about it. Nothing.
Speaker 4: You don't even know what happened that day, Now, I.
Speaker 5: Just didn't acknowledge any You didn't acknowledge it. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: just didn't think anything of it, said, you know what
Speaker 5: what happened?
Speaker 18: Not really?
Speaker 4: Yeah, no idea, not really.
Speaker 5: So when you sent a text to your girlfriend at
Speaker 5: the time, I mean.
Speaker 27: Yeah, I got well, I knew what happened, but I
Speaker 27: didn't know what happened to cause that, like completely what happened.
Speaker 5: Like I was there with my friends, but I wasn't
Speaker 5: doing I did it, and I know that it killed.
Speaker 27: The one when it fell down on her and I
Speaker 27: heard the loud bang, and I saw Jade running and
Speaker 27: I was running with Jade.
Speaker 18: So what do you mean?
Speaker 4: What didn't go nine one one?
Speaker 5: Why didn't you do anything?
Speaker 31: Because I was freaking out and I thought I was
Speaker 31: going to get in trouble for it, okay, and.
Speaker 27: I didn't want to get charge expressed against me. I
Speaker 27: can voluntary mansipire or something.
Speaker 5: So you have researched this, No.
Speaker 4: I just known a lot.
Speaker 1: Not only was Jordan's story impossible, but investigators could tell
Speaker 1: he had already researched the criminal charges he might face
Speaker 1: if the truth came out. And that wasn't all. The
Speaker 1: investigators knew that Jordan and Jaden had made a secret
Speaker 1: pack to stay quiet about what had happened at the park.
Speaker 1: In other words, the murder they committed was supposed to
Speaker 1: stay between them.
Speaker 5: You and Jade hooked any more about this?
Speaker 4: Nope, I didn't make a pack and say, man.
Speaker 5: Never gonna say anything.
Speaker 4: You gotta keep his secret.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we did say that.
Speaker 27: That's why I told you that story. But then after
Speaker 27: I realized the severity of it, I could get in
Speaker 27: a lot more trouble for his like his actions if I'm.
Speaker 18: The one not doing anything.
Speaker 4: But and I don't want that to happen.
Speaker 5: So I kind of texted the agent, I can do.
Speaker 5: Something's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: This We're gonna get caught.
Speaker 5: I said, I don't know what do you want me
Speaker 5: to say, but I'm not getting in trouble for you.
Speaker 31: I said, I won't tell them, but if they asked me,
Speaker 31: I'm not gonna completely lie and get.
Speaker 5: Myself in trouble.
Speaker 1: And then he said, Okay, I'm not really worried about it,
Speaker 1: as you might expect a teenager to do. Jordan put
Speaker 1: all the blame on his friend, insisting that Jaden was
Speaker 1: solely responsible for what had happened. You also claim that
Speaker 1: Jaden seemed proud of what he had done.
Speaker 32: You could hook me up to a live text because
Speaker 32: I can't kick it out and throw it. Almost all
Speaker 32: Jayden told me was I kicked long offs. I will
Speaker 32: I swear on everything he didn't put the live attack
Speaker 32: of tests on me, and I'll say the same because that's.
Speaker 5: Exactly what happened.
Speaker 4: Did Jaden say he did? Yeah, Jaden says, Jayden's told
Speaker 4: me that he did people and his girls.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he said that for anything.
Speaker 4: So the girl said, say, he said, I already caught
Speaker 4: a body by the age sixteen.
Speaker 27: So you more about him with this funny he said, Look,
Speaker 27: I already got a body at the age of sixteen.
Speaker 27: He said, I don't think it's funny. I think that's
Speaker 27: the only reason want to tell you is if I
Speaker 27: making a serious someone for someone being stuated and messing around.
Speaker 1: According to Jordan, Jaden had said, quote, I already caught
Speaker 1: a body at the age of sixteen. If that was true,
Speaker 1: investigators figured they might be dealing with a complete sociopath.
Speaker 1: But moron Jayden in a minute. As for Jordan, investigators
Speaker 1: already knew he had admitted to throwing the log, not
Speaker 1: to them, but to another one of his friends, so
Speaker 1: naturally they wanted answers. If he hadn't touched the log,
Speaker 1: why tell someone he did? Jordan explained he was simply
Speaker 1: trying to impress a girl, because apparently bragging about murder
Speaker 1: is how you get pussy. Can we get some dat
Speaker 1: as around here?
Speaker 27: Nay?
Speaker 5: And the one person I told with baby, what did
Speaker 5: you tell her? I told her that me and Jayden
Speaker 5: threw a ball?
Speaker 27: Wrong, Okay, but I was just saying that you were
Speaker 27: cool because I thought it was cool.
Speaker 5: But it's not. After everybody's the severity.
Speaker 4: Of it and he love cools on the n Sip
Speaker 4: Churches church was burn.
Speaker 5: I know, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 27: If it comes down to it, I would literally take
Speaker 27: a lot of type of tests before this back.
Speaker 5: If you guys do not believe me, I had nothing
Speaker 5: to do with it, and I did not or touched
Speaker 5: that ball, Why didn't you still say something? Because I
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 27: I was freaked out about it because I thought it
Speaker 27: was just called going to go away and everybody would
Speaker 27: have forgot about it.
Speaker 5: You're gonna forget about it death?
Speaker 4: No, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's you're sure what a woman looks like with her
Speaker 5: head mash up? But do you want to say it now?
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 17: It's irresponsible act. I know four kids with my mom,
Speaker 17: husband's wife grew up. It's time to grow up right now?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 19: That there's anything you got not toward us, anything you
Speaker 19: held that anything you don't want to tell us.
Speaker 4: Maybe you guys were kicking the wall to him.
Speaker 31: You tell him, I don't.
Speaker 5: I did not kick that log with him. I'd swear
Speaker 5: on everything.
Speaker 4: Did you touch that log?
Speaker 5: Boom? So I pushed I touched the log to move
Speaker 5: it out of the area, but I to move it.
Speaker 27: It was right in between these streets, and you pushed
Speaker 27: it out, and then I helped him push it out,
Speaker 27: but he kicked it down and I didn't kick it,
Speaker 27: so I didn't touch the wall.
Speaker 5: So you had helped him. No, I didn't know he
Speaker 5: was king it off, would you I helped to.
Speaker 18: Pull it out.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Once again, Jordan's story changed. He still insisted he wasn't
Speaker 1: the one who threw the log, but he finally admitted
Speaker 1: to moving it. But even with this admission, Jordan's story
Speaker 1: still didn't make much sense.
Speaker 5: It's lit told you that I had a special compere
Speaker 5: to come.
Speaker 28: In called a conversation that reconstructed this little scene because
Speaker 28: the trajectory of the log going over the edge, and
Speaker 28: the possibilities of what that load weight, and what the
Speaker 28: possibility is of one versus throwing it versus different people.
Speaker 5: I don't. I mean, if you want to, you can,
Speaker 5: if you can do that, already have.
Speaker 7: Truth.
Speaker 5: I didn't throw it off. I swear on everything truth.
Speaker 5: I am. I'm telling the truth. I didn't throw the
Speaker 5: log off. Yes, I am, I'm telling the truth. I
Speaker 5: didn't not throw that load off. He helped me. No,
Speaker 5: I did not. I did not throw the load off.
Speaker 5: Possible to pick up the six foot bow, but I
Speaker 5: don't know. I didn't throw the lord off with it,
Speaker 5: I swear on everything. Did you grab one end? Did
Speaker 5: you grab the other hand? Nope? All I did was dragon.
Speaker 5: That's the only thing I did.
Speaker 1: There were several things about Jordan's story that were either
Speaker 1: implausible or impossible. First, there was the size and weight
Speaker 1: of the log six feet log seventy five pounds. It
Speaker 1: wasn't likely that one person could have thrown it alone,
Speaker 1: especially a scrawny, little juvenile shit like Jordan or Jaden. Second,
Speaker 1: just below the cliff where the log came from, there
Speaker 1: was another ledge, a protruding rock formation. For the log
Speaker 1: to clear that it would have taken serious effort and force.
Speaker 1: The most likely scenario is that both Jordan and Jaden
Speaker 1: moved the log and threw it together, just two teenage
Speaker 1: boys experimenting with gravity, because that's the extent of their intellect.
Speaker 5: Miranda, and he would tell you that I throw it
Speaker 5: off to it was Jade.
Speaker 4: He threw off four back and then he threw it off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I didn't know he was. Yeah, but I
Speaker 5: didn't know he was off.
Speaker 4: So every time we talk we get a little bit
Speaker 4: different story. Now Miranda and ages there.
Speaker 1: Initially, Jordan told investigators that the girls he was with
Speaker 1: that day hadn't seen anything, but like every other part
Speaker 1: of his story, that turned out to be a lie.
Speaker 1: His friends Miranda and aj had seen exactly what happened,
Speaker 1: and investigators questioned them both, starting with the fifteen year
Speaker 1: old Aj Warren.
Speaker 5: But I'm told us about going to the park.
Speaker 15: There.
Speaker 18: It was me and Miranda and Jada and Jordan.
Speaker 16: Then we decided to go to the caves and the
Speaker 16: boys saw a log or were picking it up, and
Speaker 16: they're like, you know, they were going to start off,
Speaker 16: and you.
Speaker 15: Said not to do that because you have not like.
Speaker 16: You don't know what's over there.
Speaker 29: I don't know someone over there, you know.
Speaker 16: And so they dropped the log to the ground. I
Speaker 16: come to the cliff that we were on and it
Speaker 16: rolled back off, and so we started walking away. A
Speaker 16: man started walking or was pasting running. He said that
Speaker 16: a woman got hit.
Speaker 5: The large.
Speaker 18: Branch or log and he believes that.
Speaker 3: He believes that you didn't make it.
Speaker 5: She was dead.
Speaker 21: So you know, we obviously were very I was shaking
Speaker 21: up about it and didn't not to do. We knew
Speaker 21: it was wrong, and we knew that.
Speaker 4: Whether it wasn't intentional.
Speaker 21: You know, they weren't trying to hurt somebody, and they
Speaker 21: weren't trying.
Speaker 5: To kill somebody.
Speaker 1: Putting it mildly. AJ's version of events made a lot
Speaker 1: more sense than Jordan's, but one critical question remained. Who
Speaker 1: actually threw the log?
Speaker 4: Who touched the log?
Speaker 33: About?
Speaker 16: Jordan picked it up, well, didn't pick it up, but
Speaker 16: he grabbed it from one end.
Speaker 21: To make it stand up, and they were going to
Speaker 21: push it off.
Speaker 16: So then Jayden looked and they dropped it on, not
Speaker 16: off the cliff, but onto the ground, and it rolled,
Speaker 16: it fell.
Speaker 4: Back off the cliff.
Speaker 5: So let me get this straight.
Speaker 34: Jordan's holding this, well on it said, okay, it's picked
Speaker 34: it up, it's standing on the end, and he's holding it.
Speaker 34: You're stating that Jayden went over looked over the edge
Speaker 34: to see if anybody was over there and stated that
Speaker 34: he couldn't see anybody.
Speaker 2: Was that right?
Speaker 5: Yes? Okay, Now what happened? Jordan's just Jordan's still holding this.
Speaker 18: He's and.
Speaker 4: And so Jordan let go the other end, not pushing.
Speaker 35: Its holding it, let's go, let's go, not pushing it
Speaker 35: or not kicking it over the edge.
Speaker 18: But he lets go and it hits the ground. Like
Speaker 18: if you were if we were further from the.
Speaker 21: Edge and he dropped it, it wouldn't don't think he
Speaker 21: would have run off, but it was.
Speaker 4: It was close to the edge.
Speaker 18: Georgia dropped it and like just rolled back off.
Speaker 34: Jordan, let's go it. It falls, goes back to the
Speaker 34: ground and rolls off. Yes, one hundred percent, positive, absolutely,
Speaker 34: one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: That is what happened. Whatever I remember, Yes, sir, But.
Speaker 1: That explanation didn't add up. It wasn't likely that simply
Speaker 1: releasing the log would have given it enough force to
Speaker 1: clear the ledge below. To complicate things further, the other witness,
Speaker 1: nineteen year old Miranda Spencer, gave investigators a similar story,
Speaker 1: but with the roles reversed. She claimed Jordan only looked
Speaker 1: over the edge to make sure no one was below,
Speaker 1: and it was Jayden who actually sent the log off
Speaker 1: the cliff.
Speaker 20: Jordan looks over the cliff and is like, there's nobody
Speaker 20: done the liking good dude, and then Jaden either case,
Speaker 20: upper poses is off.
Speaker 18: I'm not sure, but he definitely didn't pick it up,
Speaker 18: so it's just like rolled off.
Speaker 4: Basically, Jayden picked up the lawn, pick it up.
Speaker 18: I don't think he didn't pick it up, but he's.
Speaker 5: The one that pushed it off. Jason pushed it off.
Speaker 18: Yeah, Jadon, Jordan didn't touch the lawn at all.
Speaker 17: Had anybody in your party touched it prior to that
Speaker 17: to move it to that location?
Speaker 1: Like aj Miranda was adamant about what she saw, but
Speaker 1: their accounts didn't match, and investigators wanted to know why.
Speaker 18: What I'm saying is what happened, like like, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 5: How about the law? How long went?
Speaker 4: How long was it?
Speaker 5: Who held a law? Who moved? He moved?
Speaker 34: Then what Jordan did Jayden?
Speaker 20: Jordan said that he like, he looked over the legend
Speaker 20: said that there was nobody down there. So Jayden pushed
Speaker 20: it off because he didn't think he was going to
Speaker 20: hurt anybody.
Speaker 4: But jay didn't will log.
Speaker 1: These conflicting accounts didn't make sense. Aj was certain that
Speaker 1: Jordan rolled the log. Miranda was just as sure it
Speaker 1: was Jaden. How could either of them be wrong about
Speaker 1: something like that? And if someone was lying, the question
Speaker 1: was why.
Speaker 5: Your story and Miranda's one major law. You can't figure
Speaker 5: that out for the life of me.
Speaker 30: Why I don't say what is but just can't figure
Speaker 30: out for the life of me why there's one major
Speaker 30: difference here.
Speaker 5: Amazing.
Speaker 18: I had no idea. Everything I told you is.
Speaker 21: Exactly what I remember.
Speaker 1: As investigators tried to make sense of the conflicting statements
Speaker 1: from aj and Miranda, they also had a decision to
Speaker 1: make what should they do with Jordan and what you
Speaker 1: charges would he face?
Speaker 5: Am I going to get arrested for what?
Speaker 33: I don't know?
Speaker 5: And that's what I'm saying. I don't know if there's
Speaker 5: any charges that I can get for witnessing a murder?
Speaker 4: Hey, what would you you murder?
Speaker 23: What?
Speaker 5: I know? But I wouldn't voluntarily did it? I didn't.
Speaker 5: It wasn't my fault that it happened.
Speaker 4: What happens you and the rubber store? He shoots the heels.
Speaker 5: Clerk, Well, I get in trouble for me with him?
Speaker 4: Do you get charged for murder?
Speaker 5: Sus So, I'm going to get charged for the voluntary
Speaker 5: manslaughter for.
Speaker 4: I consider just murder.
Speaker 5: So I'm going to get murdered.
Speaker 1: Say that before investigators could move forward with any charges
Speaker 1: against Jordan. There was still one critical step left. They
Speaker 1: needed to talk to the other teenager, the one who
Speaker 1: had allegedly bragged about killing someone. They needed to question
Speaker 1: sixteen year old Jaden Churches. On Labor Day twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: forty six year old Victoria Schaeffer was killed when a
Speaker 1: six foot log was thrown from a cliff at Hawking
Speaker 1: Hill State Park. The investigation led to two sixteen year
Speaker 1: old boys, Jordan Buckley and Jaden Churches. Jordan had already
Speaker 1: been questioned, but his version of events wasn't just questionable,
Speaker 1: it was impossible. Next, investigator sat down with Jayden and
Speaker 1: the s Game School conference room where they had questioned Jordan,
Speaker 1: But this interview came with one key difference. Jaden's mother
Speaker 1: was also in the room.
Speaker 21: I'd be setting in for two hours.
Speaker 5: I'm trying, I said here. I sent two hours.
Speaker 26: Stings. Yeah, he would have been here if I did.
Speaker 26: It was meant to take two hours.
Speaker 5: Bot to you.
Speaker 1: When Jaden's interview started, there was already a good bit
Speaker 1: of tension in the air. His mother was frustrated. She'd
Speaker 1: been waiting for hours before investigators were ready to speak
Speaker 1: with her and Jaden, and the tension only grew from there.
Speaker 3: You can't hear us, so we get recorded or something.
Speaker 4: Well, everything we do is.
Speaker 5: I record it. Then right.
Speaker 1: About ten minutes into the interview, and just staff her
Speaker 1: investigators read Jayden his Miranda rights. A school employee stepped
Speaker 1: into the room to bring Jayden some lunch.
Speaker 18: Take their out chicken sandwiches and.
Speaker 3: Just take it every time he eats lunch here, they're
Speaker 3: out of everything.
Speaker 1: After Jaden's mom made it clear she was ready to
Speaker 1: complain about literally everything, the investigators finally got around to
Speaker 1: asking Jaden some questions.
Speaker 5: We do ride my.
Speaker 27: Bike right Leanster skate park the next place right beside
Speaker 27: the pool, like going up.
Speaker 5: To I couldn't do anything.
Speaker 9: I mean, I like the hunt.
Speaker 5: I like the duck hunt as stuff, But hiking, I
Speaker 5: don't like walking a lot. So I just ride my
Speaker 5: bike a lot and staying down. My friends, he's your friends,
Speaker 5: Johnny cole Gere at Mace just a lot of football players.
Speaker 1: Interestingly, when Jaden was asked about his friends, he left
Speaker 1: out one important name, but Jordan Jordan.
Speaker 5: What's Jordan?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 4: I know the Jordan.
Speaker 5: I mean he's a great under and you're not hung.
Speaker 15: Out or what.
Speaker 5: Jaiden, we've been picking around the bush and I'm just
Speaker 5: gonna get stranger.
Speaker 4: There's summer.
Speaker 5: There's an incident at Hocking Hill stick for I know
Speaker 5: that she was there. That's all Claire, Okay, tell me
Speaker 5: about that day. Get pulled up.
Speaker 27: We were about to go hike and go down and
Speaker 27: look around, and then some dude comes running back and
Speaker 27: he's like somebody just got to with someone and thinks that.
Speaker 27: So we're like what, and we turn around and we
Speaker 27: leave because we don't even want to go down there
Speaker 27: and see it or anything. And then once we walk
Speaker 27: and now there's like ambulets going up and all this.
Speaker 4: The miranda.
Speaker 1: The initial stories that both Jaden and Jordan gave investigators
Speaker 1: were nearly identical. When they were first asked what happened,
Speaker 1: Neither of them mentioned the log being thrown from the cliff,
Speaker 1: at least not until investigators confronted them with it directly.
Speaker 1: It's almost as if they had rehearsed what to say
Speaker 1: before we.
Speaker 5: Come in here. We already have all the answers, might
Speaker 5: be one or.
Speaker 8: Two if we don't do We've already talked to people
Speaker 8: about as serious accusations been run against you, and this
Speaker 8: is the time to tell the truths to help yourself,
Speaker 8: because right now it's really.
Speaker 5: Serious, really really serious, and you need to be honest.
Speaker 4: We know a lot more than what you think, and
Speaker 4: you need to.
Speaker 3: Talk to me certain private because he's underaged.
Speaker 26: He's under age, and it sounds like you're you know
Speaker 26: exactly what happened, so you you should go tell me
Speaker 26: exactly what happened, and then I will talk to him,
Speaker 26: because I don't like you saying that you knew what happened.
Speaker 26: And okay, then you know who did it and what happened,
Speaker 26: so good. Then we'll go in the other room and
Speaker 26: you can tell me if.
Speaker 1: He partici hated and it's just it's not I wonder
Speaker 1: if this mom's name is Karen, it should be.
Speaker 4: Your son did something the result in death.
Speaker 15: No.
Speaker 26: No, but somebody ought to be proven to me before
Speaker 26: they're saying something like that to him, because it's very upsetting.
Speaker 18: We want to know.
Speaker 4: There's always I'm not liking this.
Speaker 18: I don't like it either.
Speaker 3: Excuse me. I know that I have felt very bad
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 26: That is sickening to me, and I have even said
Speaker 26: this is a horrible thing that for you to sit
Speaker 26: here and say that he had.
Speaker 1: Something to do with this, to do the other Jaden's
Speaker 1: mom became understandably distraught. She tried to step in and
Speaker 1: defend her son, but there wasn't much she could do
Speaker 1: except sit there and watch him take the heat.
Speaker 36: But I wouldn't know it was this an accident or
Speaker 36: is this something that he meant to do, because that's
Speaker 36: a big difference.
Speaker 4: If this is an accident where you were.
Speaker 5: Trying to do this, I didn't do it. I was there.
Speaker 4: Okay, So tell me what happened, step by step.
Speaker 7: Like they see what I was saying.
Speaker 27: When we walked up by the stairs, Jordan walks. We
Speaker 27: were walking and then there's the log, and he kissed it,
Speaker 27: and it starts to start.
Speaker 4: To say Jordan kicked it, and.
Speaker 5: Then it slid and then he left.
Speaker 1: Unsurprisingly, Jaden pointed the finger at Jordan, just like Jordan
Speaker 1: had done to him. He claimed Jordan had kicked the log,
Speaker 1: sending it over the edge of the cliff. So much
Speaker 1: for that secret packed they had made to keep this quiet.
Speaker 1: Isn't that right, Jaden?
Speaker 36: I know about your pack, Jordan. You guys already had
Speaker 36: this reverse. Did you touch the law because we talked
Speaker 36: to Jordan's I grabbed the log.
Speaker 35: Okay, so you touched the law. I touched it, but
Speaker 35: I did not kick it off or thrown You know
Speaker 35: what happened to it? How did that smash? You got
Speaker 35: kicked off the edge?
Speaker 4: You kicked Jordan? Jordan kicked it? Yes, are you sure?
Speaker 1: Once again, investigators were put in a difficult spot. Each
Speaker 1: suspect was blaming the other, and all they could do
Speaker 1: was keep pressing Jayden for the truth.
Speaker 33: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I did not kick him off, did no, sir? Not
Speaker 4: trying to hide anything.
Speaker 5: I'm giving you the answer, the draft for truth.
Speaker 27: Do you know what.
Speaker 26: I'm being very om patient with this, But it sounds
Speaker 26: like you're trying to talk him into saying something that.
Speaker 4: He's trying to talk.
Speaker 18: And he just truth.
Speaker 3: So you're trying to get him to say something that I'm.
Speaker 4: Trying to tell us the truth. That is what I'm
Speaker 4: trying to do, not a truth.
Speaker 3: I don't understand you.
Speaker 5: Have.
Speaker 4: We're just trying to get him to tell us what happened,
Speaker 4: because the truth, at the end of the day, that
Speaker 4: lady lost her life.
Speaker 26: I know that I'm very sack with me. I was
Speaker 26: sick in my stomach when I heard about this, and
Speaker 26: and and then to find out that he was there.
Speaker 1: The investigators kept pushing back, but having Jaden's mom in
Speaker 1: the room didn't make their job any easier.
Speaker 4: So should I arrest Jordan today for homicide? Because that's
Speaker 4: what's going to happen?
Speaker 5: Really better?
Speaker 3: Did the lighting detectors have some Jordan? Don't you think
Speaker 3: before you arrest him for homicide?
Speaker 5: There say?
Speaker 26: It doesn't matter what he says. You guys have to
Speaker 26: do it, don't You're just just talk like detectives talk.
Speaker 26: You can't do you think I would let you arrest
Speaker 26: him like Jordan's spears are gonna let you arrest Jordan
Speaker 26: without a lighter detective test.
Speaker 4: You don't have the choice in the United States or problem, cause.
Speaker 20: You know what I have.
Speaker 26: So you're gonna have to just You're just gonna have
Speaker 26: to talk to get attorney with the minimum wage.
Speaker 21: Two jobs that I work, because you know what, we
Speaker 21: do have choices.
Speaker 26: When you get when you get pay, when you get
Speaker 26: I know this lady died, When you get the light
Speaker 26: detective tests up for him, then you'll just have to
Speaker 26: contact me ask for Nale Jane, and I will be
Speaker 26: leave him.
Speaker 4: That's leave James, who place your arrest?
Speaker 3: He said he can't be He's said he's sixteen years old.
Speaker 4: He did something that result and end of death. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna shave him.
Speaker 3: Where are you think you're gonna take him?
Speaker 4: Do you not all the attention?
Speaker 15: No?
Speaker 1: Jayden remained adamant that he hadn't thrown the lock, and
Speaker 1: every time investigators pushed him to admit otherwise, his mom
Speaker 1: stepped in.
Speaker 4: You gotta be completely honest. This is your life.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: Miss Schaeffer's life is already over. We gotta make her
Speaker 4: life right.
Speaker 35: I told you, get all you want to said, and
Speaker 35: your head explodes.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna showing a picture of that too?
Speaker 4: Picture of good?
Speaker 3: That's pretty?
Speaker 5: Do you want to see it? Sure?
Speaker 4: Show you what your son did.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, I'm asking what my son did.
Speaker 4: There's witnesses to this.
Speaker 26: There's not witnesses. They're all saying that each other did
Speaker 26: it well, and so you have and so you have
Speaker 26: some some pretty good. Stop then I know I don't
Speaker 26: I don't want to believe any of that.
Speaker 4: I don't want I'm not asking you.
Speaker 3: I want to see some lady's head spattered. I don't
Speaker 3: want anybody to be injured.
Speaker 26: Whoever did it, whoever was responsible for making the mall
Speaker 26: go over that they put out exactly. Yes, you know,
Speaker 26: whether the kids were playing, whether it was I'm sure
Speaker 26: they didn't do it on purpose because they were playing.
Speaker 3: If they were saying, I'm sure they was just going
Speaker 3: to say, I want to kill some lady. Let's grit
Speaker 3: a ball on her head. I mean, who knows that.
Speaker 1: Jaden's mom and the investigators continued to butt heads, but
Speaker 1: in the end it was a losing battle for both sides.
Speaker 1: Jaden's mom couldn't stop her son from being arrested, and
Speaker 1: investigators couldn't get him to admit he had thrown the log. Eventually,
Speaker 1: Jaden and his mom were informed that a judge had
Speaker 1: already signed off on Jaden's arrest. He was going to jail,
Speaker 1: and there was nothing anyone could do to stop it.
Speaker 3: That's doing to me, that's with a long You cannot
Speaker 3: do that because you can't take him to jail. There's
Speaker 3: fat people there, well they're not good people.
Speaker 26: There's bad people there along the head because you're trying,
Speaker 26: you're trying to take him away from something that.
Speaker 4: You can't say him because this is not mean.
Speaker 36: This is the prosecutor's office, This is the actual prosecutor
Speaker 36: in the juvenile court judge.
Speaker 4: This is not my aims.
Speaker 3: You're just gonna take him out of here with him
Speaker 3: right now through this school that How does that make
Speaker 3: you feel?
Speaker 17: It hasn't made me feel very good at all. Since
Speaker 17: the beginning of this is September seven and sixty twenty,
Speaker 17: when I got that phone call and I've seen that lady,
Speaker 17: it has not made.
Speaker 5: Me feel good at all. This doesn't make me feel good.
Speaker 5: Do you know what?
Speaker 26: I have racist point for seventeen years by myself, and
Speaker 26: this does not make me feel good.
Speaker 3: Why would you take him out of the school like
Speaker 3: this in front of these people. He's not gonna away
Speaker 3: from me. You can't just take him beyond here.
Speaker 4: So stay, no, you go us. You're going to have forty.
Speaker 1: Jaden was officially placed under arrest and when the handcuffs
Speaker 1: came out, his mom all but lost its.
Speaker 5: Cuffs or something.
Speaker 26: Oh, graves, start off your life when you're seventeen. Can't
Speaker 26: you just like walk him out? He's not a criminal.
Speaker 4: In the shif six years old for me, the Schaffer's
Speaker 4: twenty six years old.
Speaker 3: I know how she has I read what are you telling.
Speaker 5: You that for?
Speaker 4: You're saying he's so a team to.
Speaker 18: Old?
Speaker 26: All right, but you know, I feel really good for
Speaker 26: this lady that's going in her family. This is not
Speaker 26: good to do to our family.
Speaker 1: Jaden had the benefit of having his mom in the
Speaker 1: room during his interview, while Jordan had to face investigators
Speaker 1: on his own, though Jordan did get to call his mother,
Speaker 1: and the difference between two parents couldn't have been more stark.
Speaker 21: Were you a part of it, Jordans?
Speaker 5: I didn't like push it off, but I moved the
Speaker 5: log with him. I pulled it out. I didn't know
Speaker 5: he was going to kick it off.
Speaker 21: Though, But a woman died.
Speaker 7: Why did you not tell?
Speaker 18: Chris and I I.
Speaker 5: Freaked out.
Speaker 18: It doesn't matter.
Speaker 21: I've taught you to do right. Jordan's a woman lost
Speaker 21: her life and you knew it. Always coming first is
Speaker 21: what you do.
Speaker 4: So I want to ask him for his DNA sample.
Speaker 4: It's just a swab of the mouth.
Speaker 25: Yes, yes, I mean if he's in the wrong, he
Speaker 25: knows that.
Speaker 21: I've taught my kids that they take the punishment, okay, and.
Speaker 5: So we have your permission to take that swab. Yes, okay.
Speaker 1: On one hand, Jaden's mom was ready to defend her
Speaker 1: son no matter what he may have done. Jordan's mom, however,
Speaker 1: seemed ready to hind and over the police on a
Speaker 1: silver platter. I'm not a parent, so I'll reserve my
Speaker 1: judgment on this one. And you guys don't like it
Speaker 1: when I judge anyway, So you judge for yourselves. Who
Speaker 1: handled it better, Who is the better parent in this situation.
Speaker 1: I know you'll have your own thoughts, leave them in
Speaker 1: the comments. After Jaden was arrested, investigators took Jordan back
Speaker 1: to Hawking Hill State Park. Once there, they walked him
Speaker 1: through his version of what happened the day Victorias Schaeffer
Speaker 1: was killed, though much of his story still didn't add up.
Speaker 5: How did you move it? Put my foot like well?
Speaker 5: I grabbed it at first and it wouldn't.
Speaker 32: Move, so I took my foot and I pushed it
Speaker 32: like this my foot.
Speaker 27: I just messed around. I wasn't even gonna I was
Speaker 27: gonna put it back. I was just messing around so bored,
Speaker 27: and he was high. That's probably why he did it.
Speaker 27: And then after it went off, it roared and it
Speaker 27: bounced again. After this, that's where it.
Speaker 5: I kind of flent over that and there was a
Speaker 5: lip right there, so I hit the lip and it bounced.
Speaker 27: That's why I pounced. I knew it bounced, but I
Speaker 27: didn't know why. So that's why I thought he threw it.
Speaker 27: But he did say I'm going to throw it. After
Speaker 27: this happened, I kind of just realized the severity of
Speaker 27: it and how someone lost her life, Like, how would
Speaker 27: I feel wish if that would happened to my mom
Speaker 27: when she was taking pictures of me or something for
Speaker 27: my senior pictures. That's not fair to them to not
Speaker 27: know the answer to it, And that's why I feel bad.
Speaker 1: During this walkthrough, Jordan claimed he felt bad about what happened,
Speaker 1: but let's be honest, it was a little late for that.
Speaker 1: If he really felt bad, he would have come forward. Instead,
Speaker 1: he made a pact with Jayden to keep the murder quiet,
Speaker 1: and even bragged about it later to impress a girl
Speaker 1: he liked. Not exactly the behavior of someone with a
Speaker 1: guilty conscience. Not exactly the behavior of someone with a conscience, period.
Speaker 4: So what do you think should happen to you?
Speaker 27: Well, I'm hoping that I don't see anything too extreme,
Speaker 27: but I know that I probably an't going to get
Speaker 27: charged for being a witness.
Speaker 4: You know we're saying anything about it, well, being a witness.
Speaker 14: If you don't get charge for men a witness, Yeah,
Speaker 14: but you charge if he did something or if you
Speaker 14: lie about it, how's we'll gets you in trouble.
Speaker 5: I haven't lied.
Speaker 1: About things so far, Jordan claimed he hadn't lied about
Speaker 1: anything so far. In reality, he'd lied about nearly everything,
Speaker 1: right up until investigators called him out. At first, he
Speaker 1: left out the log entirely. Then he claimed Miranda and
Speaker 1: aj hadn't seen what happened. After that, he insisted he
Speaker 1: never touched the log at all. None of this was true.
Speaker 1: All of this begged a question, what else was Jordan
Speaker 1: lying about.
Speaker 5: Our victim was down here with her head bashed in. Okay,
Speaker 5: so it's impossible for that log to roll wall.
Speaker 4: And then we landed here.
Speaker 28: You had to have traje Street had had force, some
Speaker 28: kind of force to get out this then foot where
Speaker 28: she was at.
Speaker 5: So right now, this is the time.
Speaker 27: I'm trying totand you're trying to be walker with me.
Speaker 5: I need the truth Right now, I'm trying to tell
Speaker 5: you them trying of things. So if you're standing there and.
Speaker 27: I'm holding this log, that he was thrown out whoo
Speaker 27: where she was at?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 37: So this is the point in time where you tell
Speaker 37: us either you see do it, you both hit it,
Speaker 37: or it was more than than two of you. Whatever
Speaker 37: happened needs to come out now because we can't tell you.
Speaker 13: I did not do it.
Speaker 4: I did not do it, and Mirandon and aj had
Speaker 4: nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: One of the strangest parts of this case was how
Speaker 1: all four teenagers described the log is simply rolling off
Speaker 1: the cliff and not being thrown. But that didn't make sense.
Speaker 1: For the log to land where it did, it would
Speaker 1: have taken considerable force. The reality was someone or multiple
Speaker 1: people had to have thrown it, and none of the
Speaker 1: teenagers could explain that inconsistency. The only thing that made
Speaker 1: sense was that both Jordan and Jayden picked up the
Speaker 1: log together and flung it off the cliff.
Speaker 4: I did the open do it. I don't remember what
Speaker 4: he did to get it off.
Speaker 5: I just know Jayden did it.
Speaker 4: I don't remember everything.
Speaker 5: I don't remember that specific detail.
Speaker 27: Yes, that's the only thing that trouble remembering the whole time.
Speaker 5: That's the only thing be in my shoes right now.
Speaker 29: Okay, you can remember everything, but you can't remember that
Speaker 29: specific detail.
Speaker 5: So I'm sitting here thinking, man, because Jordan happened so fast.
Speaker 5: I happened so fast.
Speaker 6: I turned around.
Speaker 5: He said, I'm going to throw it off. I turned
Speaker 5: back around, and it was and he was already going down.
Speaker 1: Another unanswered question was why the two female witnesses pointed
Speaker 1: fingers at different people. Miranda said Jayden through the log.
Speaker 1: Aj claimed it was Jordan. Miranda even went as far
Speaker 1: as saying Jordan never touched the log at all, which
Speaker 1: made no sense considering Jordan himself admitted that he helped
Speaker 1: move it.
Speaker 5: Jordan has admitted.
Speaker 4: Jordan's didn't move along, he admitted to me.
Speaker 5: But why would he admit to me that he moved
Speaker 5: the lag.
Speaker 20: I'm telling you that Jordan Jayden was the one that
Speaker 20: moved the log. Like that's what I remember.
Speaker 18: That's what I'm trying to tell you, Like me and
Speaker 18: Jordan have no connections, Like like.
Speaker 23: I don't like Jordan at all.
Speaker 5: I took Jordan to the scene we've gone to walk through,
Speaker 5: and he was telling us how he moved the lag
Speaker 5: where he was standing, not lying.
Speaker 4: What I remember, and if what I remember is wrong,
Speaker 4: then I can't help that.
Speaker 3: Like, but I'm trying to tell you what is but
Speaker 3: as you know.
Speaker 7: I can't help that.
Speaker 1: Investigators later suspected that Miranda was lying to protect herself
Speaker 1: because of a prior romantic relationship she had with Jordan.
Speaker 1: When they dated, Jordan may not have reached Ohio's age
Speaker 1: of consent, which was sixteen. By the way, Yeah, Ohio sucks.
Speaker 1: It's possible Miranda did not want to implicate Jordan, fearing
Speaker 1: he might turn around and exposure. She may have been
Speaker 1: trying to avoid facing statutory rape charges.
Speaker 5: Do you have any relationships with Jordan?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Did you understand that?
Speaker 1: Miranda admitted she'd been in a relationship with Jordan, but
Speaker 1: denied ever having sex with him. Nonetheless, Miranda was never
Speaker 1: charged with any form of sexual assault. Instead, she was
Speaker 1: charged with obstruction for lying during the investigation of Victoria
Speaker 1: Schaeffer's murder.
Speaker 38: Miranda Spencer of Nelsonville received a suspended ninety day sentence
Speaker 38: guilty to obstructing official business.
Speaker 1: In court, Miranda changed her story instead of blaming Jaden
Speaker 1: She claimed she couldn't remember who touched the log which
Speaker 1: of the boys had sent it over the cliff. As
Speaker 1: for Jaden and Jordan, both were indicted on charges of murder,
Speaker 1: involuntary manslaughter, and reckless homicide. Despite being just sixteen, both
Speaker 1: were charged as adults, meaning they were now facing the
Speaker 1: full weight of the criminal justice system.
Speaker 6: They ended up both taking plea deals where they would
Speaker 6: plead only to involuntary manslaughter in exchange for having the
Speaker 6: other charges murder and reckless homicide dropped.
Speaker 33: Seventeen year old Jordan Buckley walked into court with his
Speaker 33: family and pled guilty to involuntary manslaughter. Are Buckley then
Speaker 33: stood up turned in a durss Victoria's family, including her husband, prints.
Speaker 4: I understand that my actions had.
Speaker 27: Caused your fans like to change, and myer from all
Speaker 27: of this disease is tron to.
Speaker 5: Learn and with the rest of my life.
Speaker 16: In a way to arm the shads.
Speaker 1: Both teens took plea deals in exchange the murder and
Speaker 1: homicide charges were dropped and their cases were sent back
Speaker 1: to juvenile court. At their sentencing hearings, both Jaden and
Speaker 1: Jordan offered weak apologies to Victoria's family first.
Speaker 2: I wanted to apologize the mis shaper's family. I know
Speaker 2: that no matter what I say, nothing will bring your
Speaker 2: loved one back.
Speaker 5: I know what I did was wrong.
Speaker 2: I hope that you know I never intended to hurt
Speaker 2: anyone that day at Hawking Hill. However, I realized now
Speaker 2: that my actions can have unattended consequences. I want to
Speaker 2: lay I know that I think about this this reading
Speaker 2: for the rest of my life. I have learned from
Speaker 2: my own coactions and will take this opportunity to become
Speaker 2: a better person and hopefully use.
Speaker 1: This experience and hope of At the sentencing, victorious family
Speaker 1: members took turns speaking. Her younger sister was first to
Speaker 1: address the court.
Speaker 15: I'm confronted daily by ways in which my sister is missing.
Speaker 15: I'm sud mindedly thinking of texting her when she crosses
Speaker 15: my mind, missing or encouragement when I need it most,
Speaker 15: and the guidance that only older.
Speaker 5: Sister can't provide.
Speaker 15: We've been catching the closes of her face and my
Speaker 15: own reflection. I believe that is why, over one year later,
Speaker 15: not only still heart looking over the loss of someone
Speaker 15: so critically important in my life, but I'm angry that
Speaker 15: the individuals responsible did not immediately come forward, in fact
Speaker 15: hiding the secret among them for over a month until
Speaker 15: someone else turned them in.
Speaker 1: Next to speak and deliver a truly heart breaking impact
Speaker 1: statement was Victoria's husband.
Speaker 11: Victoria's death was so tragic, so devastating, and so senseless.
Speaker 5: It's unimaginable.
Speaker 4: And whatever I say here.
Speaker 11: Today won't come even close to describing how.
Speaker 5: Painful this has been for me for my family.
Speaker 11: The night before she died, we were up late and
Speaker 11: she was editing the photos.
Speaker 3: It was probably after one am.
Speaker 5: She didn't have to get up early. The next day,
Speaker 5: it was Labor Day.
Speaker 11: She was looking forward to going to Old Men's Cave
Speaker 11: and doing the photo shoot with her senior reps.
Speaker 4: We were lying in bed and she was in my arms.
Speaker 5: And she told me something she never told me before.
Speaker 11: She said the happiest part of her day was at
Speaker 11: the end of the night and she was in my arms.
Speaker 33: She told me she loved me.
Speaker 11: And couldn't wait to spend the rest of her life
Speaker 11: with me. I loved her more at that moment than
Speaker 11: ever before.
Speaker 5: And the next night she was gone.
Speaker 1: The loss Victoria's family endured was unimaginable. But despite their grief,
Speaker 1: they agreed to the plea deals that had been offered
Speaker 1: to and Jordan.
Speaker 11: I want to first clarify how we came to this agreement.
Speaker 4: Because it was very, very difficult.
Speaker 5: We said we'd think about it for a few days.
Speaker 11: My children are very compassionate, and what ultimately helped us
Speaker 11: make the decision to offer this as one deal was
Speaker 11: a Victoria was a very compassionate person. We'd all felt
Speaker 11: that she would have wanted to give them a second chance.
Speaker 1: In the end, it was the compassion Victoria had instilled
Speaker 1: in those around her that likely spared Ja and Jordan
Speaker 1: from a lifetime behind bars. During sentencing, Victoria's daughter read
Speaker 1: an impact statement written by Victoria's mother. In it, Jaden
Speaker 1: and Jordan were offered only one path to redemption.
Speaker 39: I need to know that you will do your very
Speaker 39: vast to turn your life around. I need to know
Speaker 39: that when you are released from this sentence, you will
Speaker 39: have become a man who will make a contribution to
Speaker 39: the society, not just take from it. This is an
Speaker 39: early chapter in your book of life. I sincerely pray
Speaker 39: for you that Victoria's loss will not be in vain.
Speaker 39: Let this tragic circumstance catapult you to even greater goals
Speaker 39: that you can imagine today, that you will dig in
Speaker 39: and dig deep to meet the challenge of becoming a
Speaker 39: great man, a man who will bring honor to Victoria,
Speaker 39: to make up in some way for one you so
Speaker 39: care carelessly have taken from all of us. Let the
Speaker 39: story of your life proclaim to all that you understood
Speaker 39: the gravity of your actions, and that you did all
Speaker 39: in your power to be a credit to society. Only
Speaker 39: that goes satisfyed.
Speaker 1: The forgiveness and the compassion that Victoria's family showed in
Speaker 1: the court was truly remarkable, far more than they would
Speaker 1: have gotten from me, that's for sure. The guilty please
Speaker 1: were entered and the impact statements were made. All that
Speaker 1: was left was for a judge to deliver a sentence
Speaker 1: the pain that.
Speaker 3: You heard from them and describe them.
Speaker 4: Why can't.
Speaker 40: I got I get angry listening to it, so I
Speaker 40: don't know if I could be as forgiving as they are.
Speaker 38: Do you understand Do you understand that you took a
Speaker 38: mother of children your age, your same age, you took
Speaker 38: their mother? Do you understand that they are a wife, sister,
Speaker 38: and that's a void that can never be filled for them.
Speaker 4: Now you're gonna have some time to sit in uys
Speaker 4: and do you understand that right?
Speaker 40: But you understand you're getting a second chance here now
Speaker 40: because they are forgiving you understand that?
Speaker 9: Correct?
Speaker 40: You you understand and you understand that that's not and
Speaker 40: this is shape of that correct if you're getting the
Speaker 40: second chance to shet a docu.
Speaker 1: In the end, both Jordan Buckley and Jaden Churches were
Speaker 1: sentenced to just three years in juvenile detention, a slap
Speaker 1: on the wrist if there ever was one. As for
Speaker 1: the biggest question of all, who actually threw the log?
Speaker 1: The truth is no one seems to know. Investigators couldn't
Speaker 1: prove it either way, and neither Jaden nor Jordan ever
Speaker 1: admitted to it in court. Maybe Jaden did it, maybe
Speaker 1: Jordan did it, maybe they both did, or maybe that
Speaker 1: detail doesn't matter as much as we think, because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, both teenagers were legally responsible.
Speaker 1: Both of them made a choice to move, shove, kick, roll,
Speaker 1: or throw a seventy five pound log off a cliff,
Speaker 1: A log that came crashing down with enough force to
Speaker 1: shatter a skull and take the Torrea Shaeffer's life in
Speaker 1: an instant, and both were held accountable in a way
Speaker 1: that reflected the wishes of Victoria's family. So what else
Speaker 1: is there to do? The conclusion of this case doesn't
Speaker 1: come with a whole lot of satisfaction, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: It's messy, but usually murder is messy. There are still
Speaker 1: unanswered questions and the whole thing feels unfinished. But sometimes
Speaker 1: that's the only justice there is, and sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: that's just life. I can't believe this is our thirteenth year.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely madness. I did not think this is how
Speaker 1: my life was gonna go. Let's put it that way anyway.
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