WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.799 Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is 2 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.639 not intended for all audiences. 3 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:09.080 Listener discretion is advised. 4 00:00:12.160 --> 00:00:14.560 When you get the light tempt tests up for him, 5 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:16.160 then you'll just have. 6 00:00:16.160 --> 00:00:18.480 To contact me. Place your roast. 7 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:22.760 He's said he's sixteen years old? Where are you going 8 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:23.760 to hear them? Take him? 9 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:29.480 Didn't think we'd be back so soon? 10 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:30.320 Did you? 11 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:37.159 Always so pessimistic? We're so negative this audience. I don't 12 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:40.039 know what's wrong with you people. Anyway, I hope you 13 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:42.679 had a good holiday season. 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In southeastern Ohio. 43 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:15.159 There's no better place for that than Hawking Hills State Park. 44 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:20.960 With over twenty five miles of hiking trails, massive rock formations, 45 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:25.759 explorable caves, and towering waterfalls, this park is the perfect 46 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:29.520 place to get lost in nature. For many, it's like 47 00:03:29.599 --> 00:03:33.120 a sanctuary. But on Labor Day twenty nineteen, it became 48 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:35.240 something else Entirely. 49 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:37.159 Nine or one, where's your emergency. 50 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:38.800 Okay, what. 51 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:52.919 Treatment light? Okay, take a brook. You're an old man's cave, yes, okay. 52 00:03:53.000 --> 00:04:00.000 And what happened you're say, flow down. I can't understan 53 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:01.719 what happened. 54 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:03.840 On? 55 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:11.199 A tree branch fell on some one? Yeah, okay, okay, 56 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:13.120 are you with that? 57 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:16.759 Afternoon, the Hocking County nine one one dispatch center lit 58 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:22.639 up with panicked phone calls, all coming from teenagers. They 59 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:25.399 said a log had fallen from the cliffs at the 60 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:29.639 state park and hit a woman hard in the head. 61 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:31.439 I remember being in. 62 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:35.879 The park and just making goofy memories, and we decided 63 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:38.480 to go on a hike to one of the other places, 64 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:41.319 and he ended up getting lost. We were talking about 65 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:46.040 running marathons and just laughing and making good memories when 66 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:49.000 we started to hear a bunch of cracking tree branches 67 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:52.879 in a large cracking sound, almost as if a tree 68 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:56.439 had fallen. As I heard this sound, I turned around 69 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:59.319 myself and Bella, only being two steps away from her, 70 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.439 and I watched as a seven foot log falls from 71 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:05.800 the sky and strikes Missus Shaeffer in the head. 72 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:09.040 My immediate reaction was to bend down to help her. 73 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.079 The woman hit by the log was a forty six 74 00:05:12.199 --> 00:05:16.720 year old professional photographer. She was also a beloved wife, daughter, 75 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.839 and mother of four children. Her name was Victoria Shaeffer. 76 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:25.759 Victoria managed to complete her undergraduate schooling and later after 77 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:28.879 her marriage, she graduated with a master's degree. One of 78 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:34.600 Victoria's most fortunate life decisions was to meet and eventually mary, 79 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.160 someone she met while we were on a family vacation, 80 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:41.920 to maybe Fritz Shaeffer. While I had been notoriously hard 81 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.720 on all her previous boyfriends, this one appeared to me 82 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:50.720 to joe promise, and he definitely loved her. We were 83 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:53.800 blessed over the next several years with four wonderful grandchildren 84 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.959 who have made us extremely provident. 85 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:01.040 As a photographer. One of Victoria's regular gigs taking portraits 86 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:02.720 for local high school students. 87 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:07.519 I think she did fifteen weddings ninety or so high 88 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:12.920 school seniors. She owned a sports and school photography business 89 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:17.879 that she was building up in many other events. 90 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:22.439 Victoria Schaeffer was one of the most kind hearted, amazing 91 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:25.600 people I have ever met. She never let anyone show 92 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:28.360 their face smile. How could you when you were around her? 93 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:30.800 She always knew how to make you smile, just the 94 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:33.199 way she wanted you to get the perfect picture. And 95 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:35.920 it wasn't just because she was taking your picture. You 96 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:38.120 were genuinely happy to be around her. 97 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:42.560 On Labor Day of twenty nineteen, Victoria had gone to 98 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:45.319 Hawking Hills State Park with a group of high school seniors. 99 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:48.759 They had just finished a photo shoot and were walking 100 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:52.639 towards the parking lot to leave when tragedy struck. 101 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:53.759 The other seniors. 102 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:55.519 And I can tell you it started with the crack 103 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:58.240 of what sounded like tree branches falling down on us, 104 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:02.439 which having you friends particularly looking around, until my eyes 105 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:05.120 had met a huge log hitting the side of the 106 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:09.319 Schafer's head, bringing her to the ground instantly. And I 107 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:11.879 will say this image is in my night years, in 108 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.600 my mind forever. First light, second, I was in shock 109 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.199 before then jumping to see if she was all right, 110 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.199 but she was just lying there, lifeless. I tried calling 111 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.199 out her name, hoping to get a response, but there 112 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.240 wasn't one. At this point, we still had hope, just 113 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:32.160 thinking she was unconscious. But in the back of our 114 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:33.319 minds we all knew. 115 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:38.120 From the teenager's perspective, a six foot long, seventy five 116 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:42.879 pound log had seemingly fallen from the sky. It came 117 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:48.720 down with crushing force, landing directly on Victoria, killing her instantly. 118 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:51.480 The group was following along this trail back to the 119 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.680 parking lot when out of nowhere, a seventy plus pound 120 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:58.920 log came crashing down from above, crushing the photographer. The 121 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.720 students and other people nearby called nine to one one, 122 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:04.079 but her injuries were far too severe. 123 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:05.920 She had a twelve inch. 124 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:09.279 Long gash on the top of her head three inches wide. 125 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:14.439 The broker's spine in two places, crushedber chest cavity and 126 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:19.759 broke six ribs, along with multiple other internal and external injuries. 127 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:23.399 Since this tragedy had taken place at a state park, 128 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:28.000 two agencies were responsible for figuring out what happened. Victoria's 129 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.839 death was investigated by the Hawking County Sheriff's Office in 130 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:34.519 Ohio's Department of Natural Resources. 131 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.840 We're right above the top of Oman's Cave. Is what 132 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:40.759 I know this has on top of here. To my 133 00:08:40.919 --> 00:08:44.120 left is there's a walkway where the tunnel would be located. 134 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:47.759 In front of us is where the tree stomp was located. 135 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:51.039 And we'll be walking doing a walk through here and 136 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:54.519 what we believe is here located in this section is 137 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.440 where the approximately six foot log was located at which 138 00:08:57.480 --> 00:08:59.639 you can still kind of see where the love was 139 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:02.240 looking had with this colouration, or it's been there for 140 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:08.480 quite some time. From there, it was carried over approximately 141 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:12.879 about where Nicole ian Rose is at where they're getting 142 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:15.320 ready to go off the side. They're going to do 143 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:21.559 a exact measurement from the edge down to where the female. 144 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:22.080 Decease was found. 145 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:27.000 Investigators quickly determined that Victoria's death wasn't a freak accident. 146 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.320 This wasn't the case of a tree falling or a 147 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.080 log simply rolling off a cliff by itself. All the 148 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:39.200 evidence indicated that someone had moved the log and thrown 149 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.919 it over the edge. In other words, Victoria hadn't simply died. 150 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:48.919 She had been murdered. This news not only stunned the community, 151 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:52.440 but it also left Victoria's family completely devastated. 152 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:54.600 One of us called Victoria had died. 153 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:57.120 Our family initially believed and there had been a natural 154 00:09:57.240 --> 00:10:00.960 accident and acted God, if you will. In my mind, 155 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:02.879 I could have accepted that she died doing what she 156 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:06.200 loved and that no one was responsible beyond nature itself. 157 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:08.720 It was only days later, when. 158 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:11.879 Investigators told us that they believed that this was no 159 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:14.639 freak accident, that it began to feel differently about. 160 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:15.279 How she was killed. 161 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:18.639 The next step for investigators was to figure out who 162 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:22.120 had thrown the log that killed Victoria and why they 163 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:25.039 had done it. They questioned whether this had been a 164 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:29.120 planned attack or if someone had simply made a reckless 165 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:33.960 and deadly decision. Initially, only one thing was certain, whoever 166 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:37.440 threw the log hadn't come forward. They fled the scene 167 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:42.120 without ever saying a word. Eventually, investigators received a tip 168 00:10:42.279 --> 00:10:45.679 about a young man who had allegedly taken responsibility for 169 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:50.879 throwing the log. Nineteen year old Isaiah Singrey had been 170 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:55.120 at Hawking Hills State Park and his family had reported 171 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:59.600 express concern that he might have been involved. A few 172 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:03.360 days after the incident, investigators went to Isaiah's home to 173 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:04.080 speak with him. 174 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:07.720 Sure SAMs the door. 175 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.519 When an officer knocked on Isaiah's door, there was no 176 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:20.720 response For nearly fifteen minutes. About ten cops searched and 177 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:25.799 lingered outside his home. They peered through windows, looking for 178 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:31.279 any sign that someone might be inside, but they saw nothing. Finally, 179 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.720 the front door opened, but it wasn't Isaiah who appeared. 180 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:41.600 It was a young woman named Raven. She was Isaiah's 181 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:43.000 girlfriend where else? 182 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:51.360 So if he's not here, you probably don't care for 183 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:56.480 us to step in and look, Raven, we're not playing. 184 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:57.759 We know he's here. 185 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.519 Don't get yourself and doesn't something you don't need to 186 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:02.039 be telling you. 187 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:02.679 His butt out here. 188 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:09.120 When investigators questioned Raven, she lied and told him that 189 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:12.679 Isaiah wasn't home, But when they pressed her and asked 190 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:16.200 if they could check the home, she shrugged her shoulders 191 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:21.799 and walked back inside. A few moments later, Isaiah finally appeared. 192 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:24.600 Come on, Isaiah, are you yeah? 193 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:27.799 You're scared shit out of him? What? Oh? No, I 194 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:30.679 never had done shars pull up to my house. 195 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:33.480 Before looking for me. You never had that happen. 196 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:34.200 That's a good thing. 197 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:36.879 We need to talk to you about something serious and 198 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:39.080 need you're honest truth and want to get some something 199 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:39.399 care of. 200 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:41.120 You need to get the walk or something. 201 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:43.159 Yeah, we're gonna go for a ride and what's this 202 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:45.759 all over? Well, that's what we're gonna go. 203 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:46.200 Have a chat. 204 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:49.759 His officers placed Isaiah in the back of a police cruiser. 205 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.120 Several of his family members began arriving at the house. 206 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:56.919 They were immediately questioned, Yeah. 207 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:00.240 I watched the news yesterday the very ving, and. 208 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:02.759 I had a feeling it was my kids. 209 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:04.519 What made you think that? 210 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:08.159 Because all the pictures on Facebook of them climbing. 211 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:12.039 That wall, and I don't know, it was scary. What 212 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:16.919 did What did Isaiah tell you that they didn't know 213 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:18.000 they cut any other. 214 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:20.960 That they didn't know if they did hurt somebody, They 215 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:21.320 didn't know. 216 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:24.080 What did Isaiah say he talked over because he talked 217 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:24.399 about it. 218 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:26.399 Oh, he didn't tell me. 219 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:28.000 He talks anything over. 220 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:31.960 Oh God, what did Isaiah say that? 221 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:33.799 But they were climbing on rocks. 222 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:36.679 Yeah, climbing on kave and something else supposed to be 223 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:38.919 on He said he didn't know what happened. 224 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:41.159 He didn't know anything hurt anybody. 225 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:43.320 Into the next day, Well, how do you think he 226 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.559 heard somebody something fell and landed on there? 227 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:49.320 I watched it on kream at school today. 228 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:52.360 Did Isaiah say what it was? He didn't. 229 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:54.080 He was trying to look at it to see what 230 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:55.399 exactly happened on Krim. 231 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:58.080 But it said that a log or a tree fell. 232 00:13:58.000 --> 00:13:58.600 On top of her. 233 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:02.240 They say about it three year alone Isaiah. 234 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:04.840 No, he just said that he was just saying that it's. 235 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:06.480 The petty killed someone. That's what. 236 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:12.639 Allegedly Isaiah. I thought it was dope that he had 237 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:17.080 killed someone. If you're older than me, that means cool 238 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:25.240 or hip or groovy man. Between his refusal to answer 239 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.480 the door when officers came knocking and these statements from 240 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:33.000 his own family, things weren't really looking rosy for Isaiah. 241 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:37.279 So investigators brought him and his girlfriend Raven, into the 242 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:40.639 sheriff's office for questioning, Well, why did. 243 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:44.039 You why did you lie about it? Would Isaiah being there. 244 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:46.720 Because he told me to tell you guys that that 245 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:47.679 he Wasn't. 246 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:53.200 You think that's a normal response. Yeah, our experience, gilly 247 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:56.159 people usually high in line. Do you know what happened 248 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:59.200 on save porps? And why you're here talking to us? 249 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:04.240 No idea Isaiah thought he killed somebody? 250 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:06.879 Well, my mom taught. 251 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:11.159 Isaiah that him and my brother was being the playing 252 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:14.240 for killing somebody Labor Day. 253 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.039 But I don't know that's what do you think we're 254 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:18.840 talking to you about it? 255 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:25.360 Because they Isaiah and my brother was like off the trial. 256 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:29.679 According to witnesses, Raven's brother and Isaiah had entered a 257 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:34.360 restricted area at Hawking Hill State Park. They'd climbed a 258 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:38.559 cliff that put them directly above the spot where Victoria 259 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:43.720 Schaeffer was killed. When investigators questioned Isaiah about this, he 260 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:48.879 seemed genuinely unaware of what had happened. During his interview, 261 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:52.480 Isaiah described the path he and Raven's brother had taken 262 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:53.399 through the park. 263 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:57.279 So what happened I kind of called it a little 264 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:00.480 just on the news and I looked it up and 265 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.000 they didn't say anything about looking, praying anybody or nothing. 266 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:05.840 Just something happened to lady at old Man's Cave. 267 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:08.600 Well, let's get this, which what time did you get 268 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:09.200 through Saturday? 269 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.240 I couldn't probably about two o'caoll because we said he's 270 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:15.120 gonna start about twelve when we used a couple of 271 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:15.840 hours later. 272 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:19.240 And you guys into the men's cave. Yeah, So who 273 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:21.279 else do you know that was there with you? Uh? 274 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:22.480 My girlfriend's brother. 275 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:24.840 He was Zylan Dylan right. 276 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:25.360 Yeah. 277 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.240 During his interview, Isaiah described the path he and Raven's 278 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:33.399 brother had taken through the park. He also openly admitted 279 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:37.519 that he had climbed into a restricted area when the trails. 280 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:38.879 That go up and around this world tall and he 281 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:42.320 could look straight down like this. It's a straight jawball. Okay, 282 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:44.840 we looked down like that, and then we noticed there's 283 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:46.559 a rock down below us. So we walked all the 284 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:48.600 way around. When we got to the bar, but ether 285 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:50.559 they had a sign and said don't climb, and we 286 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:52.559 only climbed up ply about so. 287 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:54.480 There's a sign and he claimed up anyways, well, it's 288 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:56.320 only like they literally have chats that. 289 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.000 But listen, it was only like ten twenty foot up. 290 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:00.840 That was about hot. It's like you don't have a 291 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:02.240 somebody that says, don't push you right button, and you 292 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:02.879 push you rybun. 293 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.400 Oh my, that's like ten to twenty foot high. 294 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:07.359 And we got up there and we got our pictures 295 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:09.440 taking and stuff, and we climbed down. We didn't do 296 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:12.799 stupid shit angle I t we did this climb up 297 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:14.519 when like the rocks that said do you don't climb 298 00:17:14.559 --> 00:17:14.839 one and. 299 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:16.799 Take a picture a few but that was it. 300 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:20.359 Isaiah claimed that the only thing he did after climbing 301 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:24.519 into that restricted area was to take some photos. He 302 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:27.759 said nothing about throwing a log or anything else off 303 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:28.640 the edge of the cliff. 304 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:31.240 Well, there was comments that was made about you thinking 305 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:32.160 that you killed somebody? 306 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:32.839 Was that? 307 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:34.200 I mean, where did this come from? 308 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:35.039 That? 309 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:39.559 Because everybody said this is why her this is how 310 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:43.759 very first her ponent, my girlfriend's mom calls me crying 311 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:46.599 and she's like, I'm like that should be Yeah. 312 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:48.359 I was like, what the hell is your called them? 313 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:48.720 Dude. 314 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:50.480 She's like, they're. 315 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:53.519 Saying you and Dylan killed some girl at the National 316 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:57.640 Forest And I'm like, what are you talking about? 317 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:00.319 And she's like, well, you guys went off the chaniel signed, 318 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:02.759 took the pages and stuff. They're saying that something flop 319 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:04.759 and hit some lady and killed her. 320 00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:10.039 As investigators spoke with Isaiah, it became clear that the 321 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.880 tips they had received were nothing more than rumors, most 322 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:17.000 of which had been started by his overly concerned mother. 323 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:20.440 But something did happen that I was a person to 324 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:22.519 die out there cast quick day? 325 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:22.880 It was. 326 00:18:23.319 --> 00:18:23.920 It was Monday. 327 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:30.160 It was Monday, so I'm clear. I'm well, did you 328 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:30.400 do it? 329 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:33.839 What did you call? Anything over? Is there anything over? 330 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:39.319 I wasn't even there Monday Saturday. 331 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:45.000 The truth was Isaiah, Raven and Raven's brother hadn't even 332 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:47.920 been at the state park on the day Victoria was killed. 333 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.480 They were there on Saturday, two days before the incident. 334 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:56.559 On Labor Day when Victoria died, both Isaiah and Raven 335 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:59.359 were at home all day with their kids. 336 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:02.839 What day were you out of homens gave? What day 337 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:06.440 were you out there this last Saturday? 338 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:06.880 Yeah? 339 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:09.400 Did you come back any like? 340 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:09.720 Good? 341 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:09.920 Back? 342 00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:10.160 Yeah? 343 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:11.759 Did you ever after Saturday? 344 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:14.640 Did you back to wimenskav So you never came back here, 345 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:17.519 back to Livia back if it didn't go out to 346 00:19:17.559 --> 00:19:18.079 the caves? 347 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:21.440 It doesn't like that, No Saturday, right, Yeah. 348 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:27.119 Fortunately for Isaiah he was cleared of any wrongdoing. Unfortunately 349 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:31.640 for investigators, they were back to square one. The question 350 00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:36.240 of who killed Victoria Shaeffer was still unanswered, and it 351 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:38.200 stayed that way for a while. 352 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:41.720 Here at Second in Walnut Streets in downtown Chilicothee, just 353 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:45.000 forty eight hours after Victoria Shaeffer's death, in front of 354 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:47.799 her photography studio, here people have already started to drop 355 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:50.079 off candles and flowers to remember her. 356 00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:52.319 It still hits me with a lot of shock that 357 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:55.359 she's just not here, and I feel worse for her family, 358 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:56.640 especially her younger daughters. 359 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:59.759 Hoped for a resolution to the mystery surrounding her death. 360 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.079 And the apprehension of the person or people the ODNR 361 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.640 says are responsible for somehow dislodging the tree limb that 362 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:10.200 fell on Schaeffer, killing her as the group hiked Hawking Hills, 363 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:12.599 snapping senior photos along the way. 364 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:15.279 They probably never meant for that to happen, because Victoria 365 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:16.960 was so loved. I couldn't think of somebody would want 366 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:17.319 to hurt her. 367 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:19.799 Just I hope that they come forward, you know, and 368 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:21.279 admit what they have done. 369 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:23.160 Her family deserves that. 370 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:26.720 Odn R, the Hacking County Sheriff's Department, and BCI are 371 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:29.839 all investigating the incident. They're asking anyone that may have 372 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:33.599 seen something suspicious regarding Shaeffer's death to call authorities. 373 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:36.960 For over a month, there were no answers to the 374 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:42.240 mystery surrounding Victoria's death, but in early October twenty nineteen, 375 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:47.559 the Hawking County Sheriff's Office received a credible tip, this 376 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:50.680 time from a mother and her teenage daughter. 377 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:54.200 My daughter is a student at Logan Heights Colfox, and 378 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:56.680 she has the friend that she writes to us with 379 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:03.279 and this friend boyfriend admitted to her that he took 380 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:06.759 part in the guest of I'm trying to think of 381 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:10.559 what her name was, Miss Shaeffer. Actually, I'm going to 382 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:12.200 have you speech to my daughter. She can give you 383 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:14.039 the information a little bit better than what I can't. 384 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:16.200 Okay, Hello, Hie. 385 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:19.119 A girl at the bus list Bailey Cherry, her now 386 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:22.920 ex boyfriend, Jordan Buckley, apparently was one of the two. 387 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.240 Boys at the park who partook in the branch falling 388 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:29.599 down and hitting Miss Shafer. He says he's not the 389 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:31.519 one who hit it. His friend who he's with was, 390 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:32.720 but I don't know his friend's name. 391 00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:36.319 What grade is Jordan named tenth and apparently. 392 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:39.279 The other boy involved in eleventh grade, but I Bailey 393 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:41.359 said his name, but I can't recall it because I've never. 394 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:42.119 Heard his name before. 395 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:46.440 Investigators were given the name of a suspect, sixteen year 396 00:21:46.480 --> 00:21:51.640 old Jordan Buckley, a student at Logan High School in Logan, Ohio. 397 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:54.799 They looked at a Jordan and confirmed he'd been at 398 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:58.519 hacking Hill State Park on the day Victoria died. Then 399 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:02.880 they got access to his social media messages. That's when 400 00:22:02.920 --> 00:22:06.759 it all started to make sense. Victoria's death wasn't the 401 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:11.400