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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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Speaker 3: When you get the light tempt tests up for him,

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then you'll just have.

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Speaker 4: To contact me. Place your roast.

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Speaker 3: He's said he's sixteen years old? Where are you going

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to hear them? Take him?

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Speaker 1: Didn't think we'd be back so soon?

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Speaker 5: Did you?

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Speaker 1: Always so pessimistic? We're so negative this audience. I don't

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know what's wrong with you people. Anyway, I hope you

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had a good holiday season. We have some big news,

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so don't skip ahead just yet. We uh, we got

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something to tell you, and I think you're gonna like it,

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or maybe you won't.

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Speaker 5: Who knows.

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Speaker 1: You guys always complain about everything, so it's hard to tell.

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It's really a losing battle sometimes with you guys such missingthropes. No, anyway,

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this is season thirteen, episode three d and thirty three

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of Sword and Scale. Is show that reveals what the

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worst monsters are.

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Speaker 3: Real.

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Speaker 1: All right, here's what we got for you. Sword and

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Scale Television is now available on YouTube. That's right, it's

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Speaker 6: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: That's what we got for you.

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Speaker 5: I hope you like that.

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Speaker 1: Monday, September two, twenty nineteen was Labor Day. It was

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a day that many people circled on their calendars, the

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unofficial end of summer. Well last chance to soak up

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the sunshine, to hike and to explore. In southeastern Ohio.

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There's no better place for that than Hawking Hills State Park.

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With over twenty five miles of hiking trails, massive rock formations,

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explorable caves, and towering waterfalls, this park is the perfect

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place to get lost in nature. For many, it's like

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a sanctuary. But on Labor Day twenty nineteen, it became

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something else Entirely.

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Speaker 7: Nine or one, where's your emergency.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what.

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Speaker 7: Treatment light? Okay, take a brook. You're an old man's cave, yes, okay.

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And what happened you're say, flow down. I can't understan

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what happened.

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Speaker 8: On?

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Speaker 7: A tree branch fell on some one? Yeah, okay, okay,

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are you with that?

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Speaker 1: Afternoon, the Hocking County nine one one dispatch center lit

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up with panicked phone calls, all coming from teenagers. They

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said a log had fallen from the cliffs at the

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state park and hit a woman hard in the head.

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Speaker 3: I remember being in.

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Speaker 9: The park and just making goofy memories, and we decided

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to go on a hike to one of the other places,

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and he ended up getting lost. We were talking about

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running marathons and just laughing and making good memories when

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we started to hear a bunch of cracking tree branches

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in a large cracking sound, almost as if a tree

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had fallen. As I heard this sound, I turned around

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myself and Bella, only being two steps away from her,

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and I watched as a seven foot log falls from

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the sky and strikes Missus Shaeffer in the head.

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Speaker 3: My immediate reaction was to bend down to help her.

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Speaker 1: The woman hit by the log was a forty six

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year old professional photographer. She was also a beloved wife, daughter,

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and mother of four children. Her name was Victoria Shaeffer.

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Speaker 10: Victoria managed to complete her undergraduate schooling and later after

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her marriage, she graduated with a master's degree. One of

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Victoria's most fortunate life decisions was to meet and eventually mary,

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someone she met while we were on a family vacation,

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to maybe Fritz Shaeffer. While I had been notoriously hard

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on all her previous boyfriends, this one appeared to me

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to joe promise, and he definitely loved her. We were

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blessed over the next several years with four wonderful grandchildren

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who have made us extremely provident.

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Speaker 1: As a photographer. One of Victoria's regular gigs taking portraits

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for local high school students.

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Speaker 11: I think she did fifteen weddings ninety or so high

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school seniors. She owned a sports and school photography business

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that she was building up in many other events.

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Speaker 9: Victoria Schaeffer was one of the most kind hearted, amazing

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people I have ever met. She never let anyone show

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their face smile. How could you when you were around her?

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She always knew how to make you smile, just the

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way she wanted you to get the perfect picture. And

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it wasn't just because she was taking your picture. You

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were genuinely happy to be around her.

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Speaker 1: On Labor Day of twenty nineteen, Victoria had gone to

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Hawking Hills State Park with a group of high school seniors.

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They had just finished a photo shoot and were walking

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towards the parking lot to leave when tragedy struck.

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Speaker 3: The other seniors.

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Speaker 12: And I can tell you it started with the crack

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of what sounded like tree branches falling down on us,

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which having you friends particularly looking around, until my eyes

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had met a huge log hitting the side of the

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Schafer's head, bringing her to the ground instantly. And I

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will say this image is in my night years, in

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my mind forever. First light, second, I was in shock

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before then jumping to see if she was all right,

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but she was just lying there, lifeless. I tried calling

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out her name, hoping to get a response, but there

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wasn't one. At this point, we still had hope, just

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thinking she was unconscious. But in the back of our

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minds we all knew.

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Speaker 1: From the teenager's perspective, a six foot long, seventy five

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pound log had seemingly fallen from the sky. It came

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down with crushing force, landing directly on Victoria, killing her instantly.

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Speaker 13: The group was following along this trail back to the

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parking lot when out of nowhere, a seventy plus pound

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log came crashing down from above, crushing the photographer. The

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students and other people nearby called nine to one one,

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but her injuries were far too severe.

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Speaker 5: She had a twelve inch.

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Speaker 4: Long gash on the top of her head three inches wide.

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Speaker 11: The broker's spine in two places, crushedber chest cavity and

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broke six ribs, along with multiple other internal and external injuries.

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Speaker 1: Since this tragedy had taken place at a state park,

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two agencies were responsible for figuring out what happened. Victoria's

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death was investigated by the Hawking County Sheriff's Office in

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Ohio's Department of Natural Resources.

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Speaker 14: We're right above the top of Oman's Cave. Is what

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I know this has on top of here. To my

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left is there's a walkway where the tunnel would be located.

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what we believe is here located in this section is

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where the approximately six foot log was located at which

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you can still kind of see where the love was

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looking had with this colouration, or it's been there for

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quite some time. From there, it was carried over approximately

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about where Nicole ian Rose is at where they're getting

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ready to go off the side. They're going to do

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a exact measurement from the edge down to where the female.

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Speaker 4: Decease was found.

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Speaker 1: Investigators quickly determined that Victoria's death wasn't a freak accident.

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This wasn't the case of a tree falling or a

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log simply rolling off a cliff by itself. All the

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evidence indicated that someone had moved the log and thrown

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it over the edge. In other words, Victoria hadn't simply died.

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She had been murdered. This news not only stunned the community,

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but it also left Victoria's family completely devastated.

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Speaker 5: One of us called Victoria had died.

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Speaker 15: Our family initially believed and there had been a natural

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accident and acted God, if you will. In my mind,

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I could have accepted that she died doing what she

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loved and that no one was responsible beyond nature itself.

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Speaker 4: It was only days later, when.

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Speaker 15: Investigators told us that they believed that this was no

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freak accident, that it began to feel differently about.

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Speaker 16: How she was killed.

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Speaker 1: The next step for investigators was to figure out who

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had thrown the log that killed Victoria and why they

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had done it. They questioned whether this had been a

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planned attack or if someone had simply made a reckless

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and deadly decision. Initially, only one thing was certain, whoever

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threw the log hadn't come forward. They fled the scene

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without ever saying a word. Eventually, investigators received a tip

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about a young man who had allegedly taken responsibility for

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throwing the log. Nineteen year old Isaiah Singrey had been

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at Hawking Hills State Park and his family had reported

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express concern that he might have been involved. A few

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days after the incident, investigators went to Isaiah's home to

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speak with him.

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Speaker 4: Sure SAMs the door.

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Speaker 1: When an officer knocked on Isaiah's door, there was no

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response For nearly fifteen minutes. About ten cops searched and

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lingered outside his home. They peered through windows, looking for

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any sign that someone might be inside, but they saw nothing. Finally,

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the front door opened, but it wasn't Isaiah who appeared.

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It was a young woman named Raven. She was Isaiah's

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girlfriend where else?

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Speaker 17: So if he's not here, you probably don't care for

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us to step in and look, Raven, we're not playing.

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Speaker 4: We know he's here.

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Speaker 14: Don't get yourself and doesn't something you don't need to

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Speaker 4: His butt out here.

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Speaker 1: When investigators questioned Raven, she lied and told him that

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Isaiah wasn't home, But when they pressed her and asked

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if they could check the home, she shrugged her shoulders

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and walked back inside. A few moments later, Isaiah finally appeared.

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Speaker 4: Come on, Isaiah, are you yeah?

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Speaker 5: You're scared shit out of him? What? Oh? No, I

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never had done shars pull up to my house.

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Speaker 4: Before looking for me. You never had that happen.

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Speaker 5: That's a good thing.

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Speaker 14: We need to talk to you about something serious and

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need you're honest truth and want to get some something

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Speaker 5: You need to get the walk or something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna go for a ride and what's this

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all over? Well, that's what we're gonna go.

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Speaker 5: Have a chat.

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Speaker 1: His officers placed Isaiah in the back of a police cruiser.

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Several of his family members began arriving at the house.

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Speaker 3: I watched the news yesterday the very ving, and.

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Speaker 4: I had a feeling it was my kids.

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Speaker 5: What made you think that?

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Speaker 18: Because all the pictures on Facebook of them climbing.

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Speaker 4: That wall, and I don't know, it was scary. What

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did What did Isaiah tell you that they didn't know

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Speaker 3: That they didn't know if they did hurt somebody, They

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didn't know.

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Speaker 4: What did Isaiah say he talked over because he talked

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about it.

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Speaker 5: Oh, he didn't tell me.

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Speaker 3: He talks anything over.

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Speaker 5: Oh God, what did Isaiah say that?

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Speaker 4: But they were climbing on rocks.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, climbing on kave and something else supposed to be

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on He said he didn't know what happened.

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Speaker 3: He didn't know anything hurt anybody.

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Speaker 4: Into the next day, Well, how do you think he

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Speaker 5: I watched it on kream at school today.

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Speaker 4: Did Isaiah say what it was? He didn't.

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Speaker 3: He was trying to look at it to see what

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exactly happened on Krim.

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Speaker 4: But it said that a log or a tree fell.

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Speaker 1: On top of her.

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Speaker 5: They say about it three year alone Isaiah.

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Speaker 3: No, he just said that he was just saying that it's.

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Speaker 4: The petty killed someone. That's what.

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Speaker 1: Allegedly Isaiah. I thought it was dope that he had

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killed someone. If you're older than me, that means cool

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or hip or groovy man. Between his refusal to answer

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his own family, things weren't really looking rosy for Isaiah.

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So investigators brought him and his girlfriend Raven, into the

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sheriff's office for questioning, Well, why did.

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Speaker 4: You why did you lie about it? Would Isaiah being there.

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Speaker 18: Because he told me to tell you guys that that

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he Wasn't.

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Speaker 19: You think that's a normal response. Yeah, our experience, gilly

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people usually high in line. Do you know what happened

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on save porps? And why you're here talking to us?

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No idea Isaiah thought he killed somebody?

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Speaker 3: Well, my mom taught.

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Speaker 20: Isaiah that him and my brother was being the playing

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for killing somebody Labor Day.

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Speaker 4: But I don't know that's what do you think we're

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talking to you about it?

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Speaker 21: Because they Isaiah and my brother was like off the trial.

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Speaker 1: According to witnesses, Raven's brother and Isaiah had entered a

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restricted area at Hawking Hill State Park. They'd climbed a

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cliff that put them directly above the spot where Victoria

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Schaeffer was killed. When investigators questioned Isaiah about this, he

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seemed genuinely unaware of what had happened. During his interview,

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Isaiah described the path he and Raven's brother had taken

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through the park.

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Speaker 22: So what happened I kind of called it a little

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just on the news and I looked it up and

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they didn't say anything about looking, praying anybody or nothing.

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Speaker 5: Just something happened to lady at old Man's Cave.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's get this, which what time did you get

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through Saturday?

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Speaker 22: I couldn't probably about two o'caoll because we said he's

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gonna start about twelve when we used a couple of

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hours later.

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Speaker 4: And you guys into the men's cave. Yeah, So who

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else do you know that was there with you? Uh?

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Speaker 5: My girlfriend's brother.

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Speaker 4: He was Zylan Dylan right.

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Speaker 21: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: During his interview, Isaiah described the path he and Raven's

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brother had taken through the park. He also openly admitted

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that he had climbed into a restricted area when the trails.

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Speaker 22: That go up and around this world tall and he

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could look straight down like this. It's a straight jawball. Okay,

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we looked down like that, and then we noticed there's

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a rock down below us. So we walked all the

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way around. When we got to the bar, but ether

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they had a sign and said don't climb, and we

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only climbed up ply about so.

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Speaker 19: There's a sign and he claimed up anyways, well, it's

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only like they literally have chats that.

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Speaker 5: But listen, it was only like ten twenty foot up.

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Speaker 4: That was about hot. It's like you don't have a

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somebody that says, don't push you right button, and you

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push you rybun.

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Speaker 5: Oh my, that's like ten to twenty foot high.

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Speaker 22: And we got up there and we got our pictures

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taking and stuff, and we climbed down. We didn't do

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stupid shit angle I t we did this climb up

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when like the rocks that said do you don't climb

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one and.

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Speaker 5: Take a picture a few but that was it.

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Speaker 1: Isaiah claimed that the only thing he did after climbing

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into that restricted area was to take some photos. He

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said nothing about throwing a log or anything else off

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the edge of the cliff.

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Speaker 4: Well, there was comments that was made about you thinking

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that you killed somebody?

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Speaker 23: Was that?

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Speaker 4: I mean, where did this come from?

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Speaker 5: That?

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Speaker 22: Because everybody said this is why her this is how

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very first her ponent, my girlfriend's mom calls me crying

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and she's like, I'm like that should be Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I was like, what the hell is your called them?

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Speaker 20: Dude.

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Speaker 4: She's like, they're.

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Speaker 22: Saying you and Dylan killed some girl at the National

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Forest And I'm like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 5: And she's like, well, you guys went off the chaniel signed,

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took the pages and stuff. They're saying that something flop

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and hit some lady and killed her.

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Speaker 1: As investigators spoke with Isaiah, it became clear that the

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tips they had received were nothing more than rumors, most

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of which had been started by his overly concerned mother.

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Speaker 4: But something did happen that I was a person to

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die out there cast quick day?

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Speaker 15: It was.

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Speaker 4: It was Monday.

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Speaker 5: It was Monday, so I'm clear. I'm well, did you

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do it?

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Speaker 4: What did you call? Anything over? Is there anything over?

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Speaker 5: I wasn't even there Monday Saturday.

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Speaker 1: The truth was Isaiah, Raven and Raven's brother hadn't even

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been at the state park on the day Victoria was killed.

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They were there on Saturday, two days before the incident.

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On Labor Day when Victoria died, both Isaiah and Raven

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were at home all day with their kids.

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Speaker 4: What day were you out of homens gave? What day

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were you out there this last Saturday?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Did you come back any like?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 7: Back?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Did you ever after Saturday?

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Speaker 19: Did you back to wimenskav So you never came back here,

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back to Livia back if it didn't go out to

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the caves?

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Speaker 4: It doesn't like that, No Saturday, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Fortunately for Isaiah he was cleared of any wrongdoing. Unfortunately

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for investigators, they were back to square one. The question

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of who killed Victoria Shaeffer was still unanswered, and it

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stayed that way for a while.

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Speaker 24: Here at Second in Walnut Streets in downtown Chilicothee, just

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forty eight hours after Victoria Shaeffer's death, in front of

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her photography studio, here people have already started to drop

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off candles and flowers to remember her.

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Speaker 23: It still hits me with a lot of shock that

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she's just not here, and I feel worse for her family,

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especially her younger daughters.

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Speaker 24: Hoped for a resolution to the mystery surrounding her death.

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And the apprehension of the person or people the ODNR

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says are responsible for somehow dislodging the tree limb that

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fell on Schaeffer, killing her as the group hiked Hawking Hills,

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snapping senior photos along the way.

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Speaker 23: They probably never meant for that to happen, because Victoria

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was so loved. I couldn't think of somebody would want

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to hurt her.

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Speaker 3: Just I hope that they come forward, you know, and

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admit what they have done.

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Speaker 18: Her family deserves that.

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Speaker 24: Odn R, the Hacking County Sheriff's Department, and BCI are

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all investigating the incident. They're asking anyone that may have

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seen something suspicious regarding Shaeffer's death to call authorities.

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Speaker 1: For over a month, there were no answers to the

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mystery surrounding Victoria's death, but in early October twenty nineteen,

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the Hawking County Sheriff's Office received a credible tip, this

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time from a mother and her teenage daughter.

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Speaker 25: My daughter is a student at Logan Heights Colfox, and

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she has the friend that she writes to us with

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and this friend boyfriend admitted to her that he took

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part in the guest of I'm trying to think of

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what her name was, Miss Shaeffer. Actually, I'm going to

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have you speech to my daughter. She can give you

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the information a little bit better than what I can't.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Hello, Hie.

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Speaker 26: A girl at the bus list Bailey Cherry, her now

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ex boyfriend, Jordan Buckley, apparently was one of the two.

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Speaker 25: Boys at the park who partook in the branch falling

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down and hitting Miss Shafer. He says he's not the

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one who hit it. His friend who he's with was,

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but I don't know his friend's name.

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Speaker 4: What grade is Jordan named tenth and apparently.

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Speaker 25: The other boy involved in eleventh grade, but I Bailey

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said his name, but I can't recall it because I've never.

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Speaker 4: Heard his name before.

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Speaker 1: Investigators were given the name of a suspect, sixteen year

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old Jordan Buckley, a student at Logan High School in Logan, Ohio.

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They looked at a Jordan and confirmed he'd been at

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hacking Hill State Park on the day Victoria died. Then

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they got access to his social media messages. That's when

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it all started to make sense. Victoria's death wasn't the

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result of a random accident or a planned attack. Her

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death was caused by two teenage boys who had made

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one very reckless and irreversible decision. On September two, twenty nineteen,

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forty six year old photographer Victoria Schaeffer was killed at

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Hawking Hill State Park when a log fell from a

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cliff and brutally struck her in the head. At first,

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this tragedy appeared to be an accident, but it quickly

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evolved into a murder investigation.

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Speaker 6: This actually happened back on the Labor Day of last

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year in twenty nineteen, and at first everyone thought it

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was just a terrible act of nature. A log comes

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rolling off a click in a wilderness area and then

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it evolves. So we pretty quickly find out from investigators

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that it was maybe not an accident, and I think

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that shocked everyone.

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Speaker 1: After weeks with no answers, investigators finally identified as suspect

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a sixteen year old high school student named Jordan Buckley.

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According to one of Jordan's classmates, he had admitted to

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doing something terrible at the state park. Investigators went to

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Logan High School, took over a conference room and invited

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Jordan to have a conversation with them.

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Speaker 5: But now I know this is about I was there.

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Speaker 27: I think I don't know what day was on. It's

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next September. So this last month me and my friends.

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Speaker 5: Were you're nervous and you're going to get it all out.

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That's great, and we want you to get it on.

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Speaker 28: Just let me finish up a few things right here

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and we'll get We'll let you talk as much as

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you want.

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Speaker 5: Nothing really happened.

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Speaker 1: When Jordan was brought in for questioning, he seemed eager

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to tell his side of the story and talk about

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the day that Victoria died. That was, of course perfectly

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fine with investigators that day.

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Speaker 27: Me and my friends, I don't know if you guys

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want me to give you their names or not. Oh yeah,

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it doesn't really matter. Jadien Churches, mariand the Spencer and aj.

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I don't know a J's last name.

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Speaker 5: And it's just us. We were just walking around board

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so we were like, what's going to hiking?

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Speaker 27: Just went on an ike, say he was an escape. Yeah,

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we were on skate that's where it went. And then

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when we went there, nothing was happening. But we went

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up like on the backside of the hill and we

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came back because some guys I told us to someone

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got smashed by branch. He said, we turned around and

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we went down towards the bottom part. As we came

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back up and there was a bunch of like ems,

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people going to past us and sirens and everything.

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Speaker 5: Really, yes, we just.

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Speaker 1: Went up to Jordan explained that he was at Hawking

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Hill State Park with three of his teenage friends, Jaden Churchis,

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Miranda Spencer, and aj Warren. Jordan claimed that while they

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walked the trails, a man came running past them and

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warned them not to continue on the path they were

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on because someone had gotten hurt. So the four teenagers

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simply turned around and left.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we were on top and then some guy came

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up to us.

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Speaker 15: I don't know who it was.

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Speaker 27: It was an African American guy. He had long dreads

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and he came up to me and he said, don't

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go that way. And I asked him why and he

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said a branch fell down and smashed some woman. And

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I said a branch. He said, yeah, like a tree

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branch fell off. So we went down and then we

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walked down the stairs and we.

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Speaker 5: Just came back and.

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Speaker 1: Nothing really happened, naturally. The investigators were skeptical of Jordan's

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version of events, and they knew he was leaving a

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whole lot out of the story.

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Speaker 5: Jordan, MH, I want should be honest with you dead.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, before we come in here, we've already got our answers. M.

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Speaker 5: We asked a serious questions that we have answers to you.

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Speaker 29: All right, So this is the time of Clinton because

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there's allegations that brought me in shoe were they Well,

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you were there, you confirmed.

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Speaker 5: That she was there.

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00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:45,279
Speaker 15: Didn't know that she was there.

480
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 4: So there's more to this story.

481
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 5: That's about the branch fan up on top. Well that

482
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,519
I didn't do anything like I wasn't. I just don't

483
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:01,799
like to snitching on people. The problem this is the time.

484
00:27:02,319 --> 00:27:03,240
It's not about station.

485
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,319
Speaker 30: This is about telling the truth, and telling the truth

486
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,359
gets you even further than not telling the truth.

487
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 27: We were me and Jayden walked all the way part down,

488
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,160
like clear to the end, not for the battle bridges.

489
00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:19,599
This guy did say that to us, but we did

490
00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:20,599
end up going back down.

491
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 5: But I just skipped a part of what we did.

492
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,000
We walked all the way down to the end end

493
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,559
of this and Jayden kicked off a branch, not a branch.

494
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,559
It was a log. It was a big dog like

495
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,640
this while this all he kicked it and.

496
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,079
Speaker 27: It rolled off to the cliffs and it made a

497
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,640
loud bang. So we ran and we ran into Miranda

498
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,720
and aj They had no idea.

499
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 4: We didn't tell him that load.

500
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,759
Speaker 5: Yes, that log, that lo. He just kicked it. He

501
00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:49,279
didn't kick it up, pushing or anything.

502
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 7: He just kicked it.

503
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: It took investigators less than twenty minutes to get Jordan

504
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:56,519
to break and to get him talking about the log

505
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,839
that killed Victoria Schaeffer, though his account of how the

506
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,720
log ended up rolling off the cliff didn't make much sense.

507
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:07,119
He claimed that his friend Jayden had simply kicked it,

508
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:10,680
but investigators knew that couldn't be possible.

509
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 27: I don't know if I wasn't like paying attention what

510
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:14,839
he was doing. So I don't know if he intentionally

511
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,759
kicked it or if he, like someone.

512
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,279
Speaker 4: On it, did pick it up first and carry it.

513
00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 5: No, he didn't pick it up at all.

514
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 4: About glasshole, how to get on the other side of

515
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:23,920
the tree.

516
00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 21: I had no idea.

517
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,799
Speaker 30: That log that you just pointed to me right later,

518
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,160
right here there was a pile of them right yeah,

519
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:37,440
the tree, two of them remember those.

520
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,359
Speaker 5: There was a tree and it was in between the streets.

521
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: It was like this, and he kicked it.

522
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,279
Speaker 1: The evidence at the crime scene told investigators that the

523
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,680
log had been moved before it dropped from the cliff.

524
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:54,880
Its original location was several feet from the cliff sete.

525
00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:58,880
There was simply no way that a single kick or

526
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,839
even several picks would have caused it to fall.

527
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 5: You've been following us on TV phone, What the story

528
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:06,400
on TV?

529
00:29:06,759 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 6: See anything on TV?

530
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,079
Speaker 5: Social media? I'm seeing anything about it. Nothing.

531
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,359
Speaker 4: You don't even know what happened that day, Now, I.

532
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,119
Speaker 5: Just didn't acknowledge any You didn't acknowledge it. Yeah, I

533
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:19,920
just didn't think anything of it, said, you know what

534
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:20,799
what happened?

535
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 18: Not really?

536
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, no idea, not really.

537
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 5: So when you sent a text to your girlfriend at

538
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,680
the time, I mean.

539
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 27: Yeah, I got well, I knew what happened, but I

540
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:36,240
didn't know what happened to cause that, like completely what happened.

541
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 5: Like I was there with my friends, but I wasn't

542
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,039
doing I did it, and I know that it killed.

543
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 27: The one when it fell down on her and I

544
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:47,440
heard the loud bang, and I saw Jade running and

545
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:48,480
I was running with Jade.

546
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 18: So what do you mean?

547
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,319
Speaker 4: What didn't go nine one one?

548
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:52,279
Speaker 5: Why didn't you do anything?

549
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 31: Because I was freaking out and I thought I was

550
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:57,720
going to get in trouble for it, okay, and.

551
00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:00,079
Speaker 27: I didn't want to get charge expressed against me. I

552
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:01,720
can voluntary mansipire or something.

553
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 5: So you have researched this, No.

554
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,839
Speaker 4: I just known a lot.

555
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: Not only was Jordan's story impossible, but investigators could tell

556
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,680
he had already researched the criminal charges he might face

557
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:19,160
if the truth came out. And that wasn't all. The

558
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,680
investigators knew that Jordan and Jaden had made a secret

559
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:25,920
pack to stay quiet about what had happened at the park.

560
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:30,200
In other words, the murder they committed was supposed to

561
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:31,759
stay between them.

562
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,839
Speaker 5: You and Jade hooked any more about this?

563
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 4: Nope, I didn't make a pack and say, man.

564
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 5: Never gonna say anything.

565
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:41,599
Speaker 4: You gotta keep his secret.

566
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we did say that.

567
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 27: That's why I told you that story. But then after

568
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:49,079
I realized the severity of it, I could get in

569
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,599
a lot more trouble for his like his actions if I'm.

570
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,759
Speaker 18: The one not doing anything.

571
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,599
Speaker 4: But and I don't want that to happen.

572
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,279
Speaker 5: So I kind of texted the agent, I can do.

573
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,480
Something's gonna happen.

574
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 4: This We're gonna get caught.

575
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 5: I said, I don't know what do you want me

576
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:10,119
to say, but I'm not getting in trouble for you.

577
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,559
Speaker 31: I said, I won't tell them, but if they asked me,

578
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:15,839
I'm not gonna completely lie and get.

579
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:16,519
Speaker 5: Myself in trouble.

580
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:19,799
Speaker 1: And then he said, Okay, I'm not really worried about it,

581
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,359
as you might expect a teenager to do. Jordan put

582
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,480
all the blame on his friend, insisting that Jaden was

583
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:31,160
solely responsible for what had happened. You also claim that

584
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,920
Jaden seemed proud of what he had done.

585
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:36,319
Speaker 32: You could hook me up to a live text because

586
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:38,680
I can't kick it out and throw it. Almost all

587
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:42,160
Jayden told me was I kicked long offs. I will

588
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,519
I swear on everything he didn't put the live attack

589
00:31:45,559 --> 00:31:47,799
of tests on me, and I'll say the same because that's.

590
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:48,519
Speaker 5: Exactly what happened.

591
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,119
Speaker 4: Did Jaden say he did? Yeah, Jaden says, Jayden's told

592
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,599
me that he did people and his girls.

593
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:56,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, he said that for anything.

594
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,359
Speaker 4: So the girl said, say, he said, I already caught

595
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:00,079
a body by the age sixteen.

596
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 27: So you more about him with this funny he said, Look,

597
00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:06,319
I already got a body at the age of sixteen.

598
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,559
He said, I don't think it's funny. I think that's

599
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:10,920
the only reason want to tell you is if I

600
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:17,480
making a serious someone for someone being stuated and messing around.

601
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: According to Jordan, Jaden had said, quote, I already caught

602
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,279
a body at the age of sixteen. If that was true,

603
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:30,000
investigators figured they might be dealing with a complete sociopath.

604
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,119
But moron Jayden in a minute. As for Jordan, investigators

605
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,599
already knew he had admitted to throwing the log, not

606
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:42,000
to them, but to another one of his friends, so

607
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,079
naturally they wanted answers. If he hadn't touched the log,

608
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,160
why tell someone he did? Jordan explained he was simply

609
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:57,119
trying to impress a girl, because apparently bragging about murder

610
00:32:57,319 --> 00:32:59,960
is how you get pussy. Can we get some dat

611
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:00,680
as around here?

612
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:02,279
Speaker 27: Nay?

613
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,519
Speaker 5: And the one person I told with baby, what did

614
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,000
you tell her? I told her that me and Jayden

615
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:09,160
threw a ball?

616
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,319
Speaker 27: Wrong, Okay, but I was just saying that you were

617
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,599
cool because I thought it was cool.

618
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,119
Speaker 5: But it's not. After everybody's the severity.

619
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,039
Speaker 4: Of it and he love cools on the n Sip

620
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:21,200
Churches church was burn.

621
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:23,319
Speaker 5: I know, but that's what I'm saying.

622
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 27: If it comes down to it, I would literally take

623
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,440
a lot of type of tests before this back.

624
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 5: If you guys do not believe me, I had nothing

625
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,480
to do with it, and I did not or touched

626
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:33,680
that ball, Why didn't you still say something? Because I

627
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:34,079
don't know.

628
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:37,519
Speaker 27: I was freaked out about it because I thought it

629
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:39,160
was just called going to go away and everybody would

630
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:39,759
have forgot about it.

631
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 5: You're gonna forget about it death?

632
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,799
Speaker 4: No, I don't know.

633
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 5: It's you're sure what a woman looks like with her

634
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,440
head mash up? But do you want to say it now?

635
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:52,799
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's the thing.

636
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 17: It's irresponsible act. I know four kids with my mom,

637
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,359
husband's wife grew up. It's time to grow up right now?

638
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:05,119
Speaker 2: All right?

639
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 19: That there's anything you got not toward us, anything you

640
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:12,840
held that anything you don't want to tell us.

641
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,159
Speaker 4: Maybe you guys were kicking the wall to him.

642
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 31: You tell him, I don't.

643
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 5: I did not kick that log with him. I'd swear

644
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,079
on everything.

645
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:21,119
Speaker 4: Did you touch that log?

646
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 5: Boom? So I pushed I touched the log to move

647
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,599
it out of the area, but I to move it.

648
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,639
Speaker 27: It was right in between these streets, and you pushed

649
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,119
it out, and then I helped him push it out,

650
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:37,800
but he kicked it down and I didn't kick it,

651
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:39,360
so I didn't touch the wall.

652
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 5: So you had helped him. No, I didn't know he

653
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,719
was king it off, would you I helped to.

654
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:45,199
Speaker 18: Pull it out.

655
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

656
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:50,199
Speaker 1: Once again, Jordan's story changed. He still insisted he wasn't

657
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,239
the one who threw the log, but he finally admitted

658
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,440
to moving it. But even with this admission, Jordan's story

659
00:34:57,559 --> 00:34:58,840
still didn't make much sense.

660
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 5: It's lit told you that I had a special compere

661
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:02,960
to come.

662
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 28: In called a conversation that reconstructed this little scene because

663
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,360
the trajectory of the log going over the edge, and

664
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,800
the possibilities of what that load weight, and what the

665
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,400
possibility is of one versus throwing it versus different people.

666
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,559
Speaker 5: I don't. I mean, if you want to, you can,

667
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,239
if you can do that, already have.

668
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:22,039
Speaker 7: Truth.

669
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,519
Speaker 5: I didn't throw it off. I swear on everything truth.

670
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,559
I am. I'm telling the truth. I didn't throw the

671
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:30,880
log off. Yes, I am, I'm telling the truth. I

672
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,280
didn't not throw that load off. He helped me. No,

673
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,960
I did not. I did not throw the load off.

674
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,760
Possible to pick up the six foot bow, but I

675
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,800
don't know. I didn't throw the lord off with it,

676
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,320
I swear on everything. Did you grab one end? Did

677
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,920
you grab the other hand? Nope? All I did was dragon.

678
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,199
That's the only thing I did.

679
00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:51,559
Speaker 1: There were several things about Jordan's story that were either

680
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,840
implausible or impossible. First, there was the size and weight

681
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:02,400
of the log six feet log seventy five pounds. It

682
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:05,400
wasn't likely that one person could have thrown it alone,

683
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:12,480
especially a scrawny, little juvenile shit like Jordan or Jaden. Second,

684
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,280
just below the cliff where the log came from, there

685
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,360
was another ledge, a protruding rock formation. For the log

686
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,280
to clear that it would have taken serious effort and force.

687
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,480
The most likely scenario is that both Jordan and Jaden

688
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,920
moved the log and threw it together, just two teenage

689
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,760
boys experimenting with gravity, because that's the extent of their intellect.

690
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,199
Speaker 5: Miranda, and he would tell you that I throw it

691
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,000
off to it was Jade.

692
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 4: He threw off four back and then he threw it off.

693
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I didn't know he was. Yeah, but I

694
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,159
didn't know he was off.

695
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 4: So every time we talk we get a little bit

696
00:36:57,519 --> 00:36:59,639
different story. Now Miranda and ages there.

697
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: Initially, Jordan told investigators that the girls he was with

698
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:07,440
that day hadn't seen anything, but like every other part

699
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,159
of his story, that turned out to be a lie.

700
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:15,239
His friends Miranda and aj had seen exactly what happened,

701
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,239
and investigators questioned them both, starting with the fifteen year

702
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,599
old Aj Warren.

703
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 5: But I'm told us about going to the park.

704
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:24,039
Speaker 15: There.

705
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 18: It was me and Miranda and Jada and Jordan.

706
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,519
Speaker 16: Then we decided to go to the caves and the

707
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:35,960
boys saw a log or were picking it up, and

708
00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:38,360
they're like, you know, they were going to start off,

709
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:38,679
and you.

710
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,199
Speaker 15: Said not to do that because you have not like.

711
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 16: You don't know what's over there.

712
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 29: I don't know someone over there, you know.

713
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:50,639
Speaker 16: And so they dropped the log to the ground. I

714
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,599
come to the cliff that we were on and it

715
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,599
rolled back off, and so we started walking away. A

716
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:01,559
man started walking or was pasting running. He said that

717
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:03,039
a woman got hit.

718
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 5: The large.

719
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:08,559
Speaker 18: Branch or log and he believes that.

720
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,599
Speaker 3: He believes that you didn't make it.

721
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:17,119
Speaker 5: She was dead.

722
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 21: So you know, we obviously were very I was shaking

723
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,079
up about it and didn't not to do. We knew

724
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:29,000
it was wrong, and we knew that.

725
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 4: Whether it wasn't intentional.

726
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,639
Speaker 21: You know, they weren't trying to hurt somebody, and they

727
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:37,599
weren't trying.

728
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 5: To kill somebody.

729
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:43,199
Speaker 1: Putting it mildly. AJ's version of events made a lot

730
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:48,639
more sense than Jordan's, but one critical question remained. Who

731
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,280
actually threw the log?

732
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 4: Who touched the log?

733
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 33: About?

734
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,679
Speaker 16: Jordan picked it up, well, didn't pick it up, but

735
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,239
he grabbed it from one end.

736
00:38:57,159 --> 00:39:00,679
Speaker 21: To make it stand up, and they were going to

737
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:01,239
push it off.

738
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 16: So then Jayden looked and they dropped it on, not

739
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,360
off the cliff, but onto the ground, and it rolled,

740
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:12,679
it fell.

741
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 4: Back off the cliff.

742
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 5: So let me get this straight.

743
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 34: Jordan's holding this, well on it said, okay, it's picked

744
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,760
it up, it's standing on the end, and he's holding it.

745
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:26,199
You're stating that Jayden went over looked over the edge

746
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,400
to see if anybody was over there and stated that

747
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,360
he couldn't see anybody.

748
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: Was that right?

749
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:36,519
Speaker 5: Yes? Okay, Now what happened? Jordan's just Jordan's still holding this.

750
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 18: He's and.

751
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 4: And so Jordan let go the other end, not pushing.

752
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 35: Its holding it, let's go, let's go, not pushing it

753
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,639
or not kicking it over the edge.

754
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:55,159
Speaker 18: But he lets go and it hits the ground. Like

755
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,079
if you were if we were further from the.

756
00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 21: Edge and he dropped it, it wouldn't don't think he

757
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,639
would have run off, but it was.

758
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 4: It was close to the edge.

759
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 18: Georgia dropped it and like just rolled back off.

760
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,159
Speaker 34: Jordan, let's go it. It falls, goes back to the

761
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,480
ground and rolls off. Yes, one hundred percent, positive, absolutely,

762
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:16,159
one hundred percent.

763
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,119
Speaker 5: That is what happened. Whatever I remember, Yes, sir, But.

764
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: That explanation didn't add up. It wasn't likely that simply

765
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:26,840
releasing the log would have given it enough force to

766
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:32,320
clear the ledge below. To complicate things further, the other witness,

767
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,800
nineteen year old Miranda Spencer, gave investigators a similar story,

768
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,920
but with the roles reversed. She claimed Jordan only looked

769
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,280
over the edge to make sure no one was below,

770
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:46,960
and it was Jayden who actually sent the log off

771
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:47,480
the cliff.

772
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,119
Speaker 20: Jordan looks over the cliff and is like, there's nobody

773
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:56,960
done the liking good dude, and then Jaden either case,

774
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:57,920
upper poses is off.

775
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 18: I'm not sure, but he definitely didn't pick it up,

776
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:01,880
so it's just like rolled off.

777
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 4: Basically, Jayden picked up the lawn, pick it up.

778
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 18: I don't think he didn't pick it up, but he's.

779
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 5: The one that pushed it off. Jason pushed it off.

780
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 18: Yeah, Jadon, Jordan didn't touch the lawn at all.

781
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 17: Had anybody in your party touched it prior to that

782
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:21,920
to move it to that location?

783
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: Like aj Miranda was adamant about what she saw, but

784
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,599
their accounts didn't match, and investigators wanted to know why.

785
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 18: What I'm saying is what happened, like like, I'm not kidding.

786
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 5: How about the law? How long went?

787
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:40,559
Speaker 4: How long was it?

788
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:45,679
Speaker 5: Who held a law? Who moved? He moved?

789
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:49,679
Speaker 34: Then what Jordan did Jayden?

790
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,559
Speaker 20: Jordan said that he like, he looked over the legend

791
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,119
said that there was nobody down there. So Jayden pushed

792
00:41:56,119 --> 00:41:57,559
it off because he didn't think he was going to

793
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:58,400
hurt anybody.

794
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 4: But jay didn't will log.

795
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: These conflicting accounts didn't make sense. Aj was certain that

796
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:11,679
Jordan rolled the log. Miranda was just as sure it

797
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,159
was Jaden. How could either of them be wrong about

798
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:19,440
something like that? And if someone was lying, the question

799
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,000
was why.

800
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:28,559
Speaker 5: Your story and Miranda's one major law. You can't figure

801
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:29,559
that out for the life of me.

802
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 30: Why I don't say what is but just can't figure

803
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,760
out for the life of me why there's one major

804
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:38,639
difference here.

805
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 5: Amazing.

806
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 18: I had no idea. Everything I told you is.

807
00:42:46,039 --> 00:42:47,079
Speaker 21: Exactly what I remember.

808
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: As investigators tried to make sense of the conflicting statements

809
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,639
from aj and Miranda, they also had a decision to

810
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,840
make what should they do with Jordan and what you

811
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:01,920
charges would he face?

812
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,119
Speaker 5: Am I going to get arrested for what?

813
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 33: I don't know?

814
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 5: And that's what I'm saying. I don't know if there's

815
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,920
any charges that I can get for witnessing a murder?

816
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 4: Hey, what would you you murder?

817
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:13,559
Speaker 23: What?

818
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 5: I know? But I wouldn't voluntarily did it? I didn't.

819
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,920
It wasn't my fault that it happened.

820
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 4: What happens you and the rubber store? He shoots the heels.

821
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 5: Clerk, Well, I get in trouble for me with him?

822
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 4: Do you get charged for murder?

823
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 5: Sus So, I'm going to get charged for the voluntary

824
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,639
manslaughter for.

825
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 4: I consider just murder.

826
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 5: So I'm going to get murdered.

827
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: Say that before investigators could move forward with any charges

828
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,840
against Jordan. There was still one critical step left. They

829
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,360
needed to talk to the other teenager, the one who

830
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,159
had allegedly bragged about killing someone. They needed to question

831
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:35,360
sixteen year old Jaden Churches. On Labor Day twenty nineteen,

832
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:38,760
forty six year old Victoria Schaeffer was killed when a

833
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,480
six foot log was thrown from a cliff at Hawking

834
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:46,000
Hill State Park. The investigation led to two sixteen year

835
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:50,679
old boys, Jordan Buckley and Jaden Churches. Jordan had already

836
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,239
been questioned, but his version of events wasn't just questionable,

837
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,679
it was impossible. Next, investigator sat down with Jayden and

838
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,599
the s Game School conference room where they had questioned Jordan,

839
00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:07,440
But this interview came with one key difference. Jaden's mother

840
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:08,760
was also in the room.

841
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:11,039
Speaker 21: I'd be setting in for two hours.

842
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:19,519
Speaker 5: I'm trying, I said here. I sent two hours.

843
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 26: Stings. Yeah, he would have been here if I did.

844
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,440
It was meant to take two hours.

845
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 5: Bot to you.

846
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: When Jaden's interview started, there was already a good bit

847
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:40,480
of tension in the air. His mother was frustrated. She'd

848
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:43,519
been waiting for hours before investigators were ready to speak

849
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:47,519
with her and Jaden, and the tension only grew from there.

850
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: You can't hear us, so we get recorded or something.

851
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 4: Well, everything we do is.

852
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,079
Speaker 5: I record it. Then right.

853
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,079
Speaker 1: About ten minutes into the interview, and just staff her

854
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:04,599
investigators read Jayden his Miranda rights. A school employee stepped

855
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:06,519
into the room to bring Jayden some lunch.

856
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 18: Take their out chicken sandwiches and.

857
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:14,159
Speaker 3: Just take it every time he eats lunch here, they're

858
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:15,000
out of everything.

859
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,079
Speaker 1: After Jaden's mom made it clear she was ready to

860
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:22,280
complain about literally everything, the investigators finally got around to

861
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,320
asking Jaden some questions.

862
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 5: We do ride my.

863
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:33,159
Speaker 27: Bike right Leanster skate park the next place right beside

864
00:46:33,159 --> 00:46:34,760
the pool, like going up.

865
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,159
Speaker 5: To I couldn't do anything.

866
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,559
Speaker 9: I mean, I like the hunt.

867
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 5: I like the duck hunt as stuff, But hiking, I

868
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,960
don't like walking a lot. So I just ride my

869
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:50,039
bike a lot and staying down. My friends, he's your friends,

870
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:58,639
Johnny cole Gere at Mace just a lot of football players.

871
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: Interestingly, when Jaden was asked about his friends, he left

872
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:06,480
out one important name, but Jordan Jordan.

873
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:08,599
Speaker 5: What's Jordan?

874
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 3: Though?

875
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:11,119
Speaker 4: I know the Jordan.

876
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 5: I mean he's a great under and you're not hung.

877
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 15: Out or what.

878
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 5: Jaiden, we've been picking around the bush and I'm just

879
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,039
gonna get stranger.

880
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: There's summer.

881
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 5: There's an incident at Hocking Hill stick for I know

882
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:32,039
that she was there. That's all Claire, Okay, tell me

883
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,840
about that day. Get pulled up.

884
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:39,519
Speaker 27: We were about to go hike and go down and

885
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:46,480
look around, and then some dude comes running back and

886
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:50,800
he's like somebody just got to with someone and thinks that.

887
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,800
So we're like what, and we turn around and we

888
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,079
leave because we don't even want to go down there

889
00:47:58,119 --> 00:47:59,920
and see it or anything. And then once we walk

890
00:48:00,039 --> 00:48:04,159
and now there's like ambulets going up and all this.

891
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,039
Speaker 4: The miranda.

892
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: The initial stories that both Jaden and Jordan gave investigators

893
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:18,039
were nearly identical. When they were first asked what happened,

894
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,440
Neither of them mentioned the log being thrown from the cliff,

895
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,760
at least not until investigators confronted them with it directly.

896
00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:29,199
It's almost as if they had rehearsed what to say

897
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:30,119
before we.

898
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 5: Come in here. We already have all the answers, might

899
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,199
be one or.

900
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 8: Two if we don't do We've already talked to people

901
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,159
about as serious accusations been run against you, and this

902
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,760
is the time to tell the truths to help yourself,

903
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:47,519
because right now it's really.

904
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,079
Speaker 5: Serious, really really serious, and you need to be honest.

905
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 4: We know a lot more than what you think, and

906
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:54,760
you need to.

907
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,519
Speaker 3: Talk to me certain private because he's underaged.

908
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:02,159
Speaker 26: He's under age, and it sounds like you're you know

909
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:05,559
exactly what happened, so you you should go tell me

910
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,440
exactly what happened, and then I will talk to him,

911
00:49:09,039 --> 00:49:12,679
because I don't like you saying that you knew what happened.

912
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,119
And okay, then you know who did it and what happened,

913
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:19,599
so good. Then we'll go in the other room and

914
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:21,239
you can tell me if.

915
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:25,199
Speaker 1: He partici hated and it's just it's not I wonder

916
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,079
if this mom's name is Karen, it should be.

917
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 4: Your son did something the result in death.

918
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 15: No.

919
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 26: No, but somebody ought to be proven to me before

920
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,320
they're saying something like that to him, because it's very upsetting.

921
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,119
Speaker 18: We want to know.

922
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:45,039
Speaker 4: There's always I'm not liking this.

923
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 18: I don't like it either.

924
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 3: Excuse me. I know that I have felt very bad

925
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:53,280
about that.

926
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,519
Speaker 26: That is sickening to me, and I have even said

927
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:57,519
this is a horrible thing that for you to sit

928
00:49:57,599 --> 00:49:58,719
here and say that he had.

929
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: Something to do with this, to do the other Jaden's

930
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,519
mom became understandably distraught. She tried to step in and

931
00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:09,679
defend her son, but there wasn't much she could do

932
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:13,039
except sit there and watch him take the heat.

933
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 36: But I wouldn't know it was this an accident or

934
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,440
is this something that he meant to do, because that's

935
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,199
a big difference.

936
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 4: If this is an accident where you were.

937
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 5: Trying to do this, I didn't do it. I was there.

938
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,679
Speaker 4: Okay, So tell me what happened, step by step.

939
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:31,559
Speaker 7: Like they see what I was saying.

940
00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:38,079
Speaker 27: When we walked up by the stairs, Jordan walks. We

941
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:42,480
were walking and then there's the log, and he kissed it,

942
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:44,639
and it starts to start.

943
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,519
Speaker 4: To say Jordan kicked it, and.

944
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 5: Then it slid and then he left.

945
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: Unsurprisingly, Jaden pointed the finger at Jordan, just like Jordan

946
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,920
had done to him. He claimed Jordan had kicked the log,

947
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,480
sending it over the edge of the cliff. So much

948
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:06,599
for that secret packed they had made to keep this quiet.

949
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,199
Isn't that right, Jaden?

950
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 36: I know about your pack, Jordan. You guys already had

951
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,920
this reverse. Did you touch the law because we talked

952
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,039
to Jordan's I grabbed the log.

953
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:21,159
Speaker 35: Okay, so you touched the law. I touched it, but

954
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,559
I did not kick it off or thrown You know

955
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:28,239
what happened to it? How did that smash? You got

956
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:29,239
kicked off the edge?

957
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 4: You kicked Jordan? Jordan kicked it? Yes, are you sure?

958
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:40,519
Speaker 1: Once again, investigators were put in a difficult spot. Each

959
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:43,000
suspect was blaming the other, and all they could do

960
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,199
was keep pressing Jayden for the truth.

961
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:46,119
Speaker 33: Yeah.

962
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 4: I did not kick him off, did no, sir? Not

963
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:51,800
trying to hide anything.

964
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 5: I'm giving you the answer, the draft for truth.

965
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:58,519
Speaker 27: Do you know what.

966
00:51:58,639 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 26: I'm being very om patient with this, But it sounds

967
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,280
like you're trying to talk him into saying something that.

968
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 4: He's trying to talk.

969
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 18: And he just truth.

970
00:52:12,519 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: So you're trying to get him to say something that I'm.

971
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 4: Trying to tell us the truth. That is what I'm

972
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,639
trying to do, not a truth.

973
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:19,639
Speaker 3: I don't understand you.

974
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 5: Have.

975
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 4: We're just trying to get him to tell us what happened,

976
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:29,199
because the truth, at the end of the day, that

977
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,320
lady lost her life.

978
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,519
Speaker 26: I know that I'm very sack with me. I was

979
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:35,840
sick in my stomach when I heard about this, and

980
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:38,400
and and then to find out that he was there.

981
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: The investigators kept pushing back, but having Jaden's mom in

982
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,920
the room didn't make their job any easier.

983
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 4: So should I arrest Jordan today for homicide? Because that's

984
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:50,199
what's going to happen?

985
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:53,639
Speaker 5: Really better?

986
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 3: Did the lighting detectors have some Jordan? Don't you think

987
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,280
before you arrest him for homicide?

988
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 5: There say?

989
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 26: It doesn't matter what he says. You guys have to

990
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:07,880
do it, don't You're just just talk like detectives talk.

991
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,440
You can't do you think I would let you arrest

992
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:13,039
him like Jordan's spears are gonna let you arrest Jordan

993
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:14,480
without a lighter detective test.

994
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 4: You don't have the choice in the United States or problem, cause.

995
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:20,159
Speaker 20: You know what I have.

996
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,079
Speaker 26: So you're gonna have to just You're just gonna have

997
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:26,920
to talk to get attorney with the minimum wage.

998
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:30,519
Speaker 21: Two jobs that I work, because you know what, we

999
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:31,559
do have choices.

1000
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 26: When you get when you get pay, when you get

1001
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,800
I know this lady died, When you get the light

1002
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,079
detective tests up for him, then you'll just have to

1003
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:43,400
contact me ask for Nale Jane, and I will be

1004
00:53:43,519 --> 00:53:43,920
leave him.

1005
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 4: That's leave James, who place your arrest?

1006
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,519
Speaker 3: He said he can't be He's said he's sixteen years old.

1007
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,639
Speaker 4: He did something that result and end of death. I'm

1008
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:55,320
gonna shave him.

1009
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,559
Speaker 3: Where are you think you're gonna take him?

1010
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 4: Do you not all the attention?

1011
00:53:59,440 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 15: No?

1012
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: Jayden remained adamant that he hadn't thrown the lock, and

1013
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,079
every time investigators pushed him to admit otherwise, his mom

1014
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:10,119
stepped in.

1015
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 4: You gotta be completely honest. This is your life.

1016
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:14,559
Speaker 5: I know.

1017
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:17,679
Speaker 4: Miss Schaeffer's life is already over. We gotta make her

1018
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:18,199
life right.

1019
00:54:20,639 --> 00:54:26,199
Speaker 35: I told you, get all you want to said, and

1020
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:27,440
your head explodes.

1021
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,159
Speaker 3: Are you gonna showing a picture of that too?

1022
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 4: Picture of good?

1023
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 3: That's pretty?

1024
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 5: Do you want to see it? Sure?

1025
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:37,559
Speaker 4: Show you what your son did.

1026
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,679
Speaker 3: Excuse me, I'm asking what my son did.

1027
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 4: There's witnesses to this.

1028
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 26: There's not witnesses. They're all saying that each other did

1029
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,519
it well, and so you have and so you have

1030
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,360
some some pretty good. Stop then I know I don't

1031
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:58,360
I don't want to believe any of that.

1032
00:54:58,639 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 4: I don't want I'm not asking you.

1033
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,159
Speaker 3: I want to see some lady's head spattered. I don't

1034
00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:03,519
want anybody to be injured.

1035
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:10,639
Speaker 26: Whoever did it, whoever was responsible for making the mall

1036
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:15,719
go over that they put out exactly. Yes, you know,

1037
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,360
whether the kids were playing, whether it was I'm sure

1038
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,960
they didn't do it on purpose because they were playing.

1039
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 3: If they were saying, I'm sure they was just going

1040
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,440
to say, I want to kill some lady. Let's grit

1041
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,440
a ball on her head. I mean, who knows that.

1042
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:35,119
Speaker 1: Jaden's mom and the investigators continued to butt heads, but

1043
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,800
in the end it was a losing battle for both sides.

1044
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,199
Jaden's mom couldn't stop her son from being arrested, and

1045
00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:48,360
investigators couldn't get him to admit he had thrown the log. Eventually,

1046
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,960
Jaden and his mom were informed that a judge had

1047
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,199
already signed off on Jaden's arrest. He was going to jail,

1048
00:55:55,679 --> 00:55:58,760
and there was nothing anyone could do to stop it.

1049
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 3: That's doing to me, that's with a long You cannot

1050
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:06,639
do that because you can't take him to jail. There's

1051
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,920
fat people there, well they're not good people.

1052
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,559
Speaker 26: There's bad people there along the head because you're trying,

1053
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,280
you're trying to take him away from something that.

1054
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 4: You can't say him because this is not mean.

1055
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 36: This is the prosecutor's office, This is the actual prosecutor

1056
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:24,039
in the juvenile court judge.

1057
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 4: This is not my aims.

1058
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 3: You're just gonna take him out of here with him

1059
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,320
right now through this school that How does that make

1060
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:32,760
you feel?

1061
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,679
Speaker 17: It hasn't made me feel very good at all. Since

1062
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,119
the beginning of this is September seven and sixty twenty,

1063
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:40,000
when I got that phone call and I've seen that lady,

1064
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:40,760
it has not made.

1065
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 5: Me feel good at all. This doesn't make me feel good.

1066
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:43,719
Do you know what?

1067
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 26: I have racist point for seventeen years by myself, and

1068
00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:47,800
this does not make me feel good.

1069
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,639
Speaker 3: Why would you take him out of the school like

1070
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,920
this in front of these people. He's not gonna away

1071
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,280
from me. You can't just take him beyond here.

1072
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 4: So stay, no, you go us. You're going to have forty.

1073
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,599
Speaker 1: Jaden was officially placed under arrest and when the handcuffs

1074
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:16,440
came out, his mom all but lost its.

1075
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 5: Cuffs or something.

1076
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:23,519
Speaker 26: Oh, graves, start off your life when you're seventeen. Can't

1077
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:26,800
you just like walk him out? He's not a criminal.

1078
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,639
Speaker 4: In the shif six years old for me, the Schaffer's

1079
00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:30,559
twenty six years old.

1080
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 3: I know how she has I read what are you telling.

1081
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 5: You that for?

1082
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:36,719
Speaker 4: You're saying he's so a team to.

1083
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 18: Old?

1084
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 26: All right, but you know, I feel really good for

1085
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,880
this lady that's going in her family. This is not

1086
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:45,360
good to do to our family.

1087
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:49,159
Speaker 1: Jaden had the benefit of having his mom in the

1088
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:53,679
room during his interview, while Jordan had to face investigators

1089
00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:57,239
on his own, though Jordan did get to call his mother,

1090
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:01,920
and the difference between two parents couldn't have been more stark.

1091
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 21: Were you a part of it, Jordans?

1092
00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 5: I didn't like push it off, but I moved the

1093
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,119
log with him. I pulled it out. I didn't know

1094
00:58:11,159 --> 00:58:12,159
he was going to kick it off.

1095
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 21: Though, But a woman died.

1096
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 7: Why did you not tell?

1097
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:17,239
Speaker 18: Chris and I I.

1098
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:20,039
Speaker 5: Freaked out.

1099
00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 18: It doesn't matter.

1100
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 21: I've taught you to do right. Jordan's a woman lost

1101
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:33,079
her life and you knew it. Always coming first is

1102
00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:33,679
what you do.

1103
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:37,079
Speaker 4: So I want to ask him for his DNA sample.

1104
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:38,480
It's just a swab of the mouth.

1105
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,079
Speaker 25: Yes, yes, I mean if he's in the wrong, he

1106
00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:42,000
knows that.

1107
00:58:42,159 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 21: I've taught my kids that they take the punishment, okay, and.

1108
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:50,119
Speaker 5: So we have your permission to take that swab. Yes, okay.

1109
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,079
Speaker 1: On one hand, Jaden's mom was ready to defend her

1110
00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:57,840
son no matter what he may have done. Jordan's mom, however,

1111
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:01,320
seemed ready to hind and over the police on a

1112
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,440
silver platter. I'm not a parent, so I'll reserve my

1113
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:08,239
judgment on this one. And you guys don't like it

1114
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:13,079
when I judge anyway, So you judge for yourselves. Who

1115
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,519
handled it better, Who is the better parent in this situation.

1116
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,679
I know you'll have your own thoughts, leave them in

1117
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:26,599
the comments. After Jaden was arrested, investigators took Jordan back

1118
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:30,400
to Hawking Hill State Park. Once there, they walked him

1119
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,039
through his version of what happened the day Victorias Schaeffer

1120
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:38,000
was killed, though much of his story still didn't add up.

1121
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,079
Speaker 5: How did you move it? Put my foot like well?

1122
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:43,800
I grabbed it at first and it wouldn't.

1123
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 32: Move, so I took my foot and I pushed it

1124
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:46,320
like this my foot.

1125
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 27: I just messed around. I wasn't even gonna I was

1126
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,760
gonna put it back. I was just messing around so bored,

1127
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,800
and he was high. That's probably why he did it.

1128
00:59:54,119 --> 00:59:57,800
And then after it went off, it roared and it

1129
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,800
bounced again. After this, that's where it.

1130
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:01,719
Speaker 5: I kind of flent over that and there was a

1131
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,119
lip right there, so I hit the lip and it bounced.

1132
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 27: That's why I pounced. I knew it bounced, but I

1133
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:08,599
didn't know why. So that's why I thought he threw it.

1134
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,639
But he did say I'm going to throw it. After

1135
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,159
this happened, I kind of just realized the severity of

1136
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:17,840
it and how someone lost her life, Like, how would

1137
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,679
I feel wish if that would happened to my mom

1138
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:21,679
when she was taking pictures of me or something for

1139
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,599
my senior pictures. That's not fair to them to not

1140
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,280
know the answer to it, And that's why I feel bad.

1141
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: During this walkthrough, Jordan claimed he felt bad about what happened,

1142
01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:35,559
but let's be honest, it was a little late for that.

1143
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,840
If he really felt bad, he would have come forward. Instead,

1144
01:00:40,039 --> 01:00:42,639
he made a pact with Jayden to keep the murder quiet,

1145
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:45,519
and even bragged about it later to impress a girl

1146
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:49,360
he liked. Not exactly the behavior of someone with a

1147
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:54,599
guilty conscience. Not exactly the behavior of someone with a conscience, period.

1148
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:56,599
Speaker 4: So what do you think should happen to you?

1149
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,239
Speaker 27: Well, I'm hoping that I don't see anything too extreme,

1150
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,440
but I know that I probably an't going to get

1151
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,119
charged for being a witness.

1152
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 4: You know we're saying anything about it, well, being a witness.

1153
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,639
Speaker 14: If you don't get charge for men a witness, Yeah,

1154
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,880
but you charge if he did something or if you

1155
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:18,960
lie about it, how's we'll gets you in trouble.

1156
01:01:19,079 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 5: I haven't lied.

1157
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: About things so far, Jordan claimed he hadn't lied about

1158
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,719
anything so far. In reality, he'd lied about nearly everything,

1159
01:01:28,679 --> 01:01:32,440
right up until investigators called him out. At first, he

1160
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:36,239
left out the log entirely. Then he claimed Miranda and

1161
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,239
aj hadn't seen what happened. After that, he insisted he

1162
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,679
never touched the log at all. None of this was true.

1163
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,000
All of this begged a question, what else was Jordan

1164
01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:49,760
lying about.

1165
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:53,599
Speaker 5: Our victim was down here with her head bashed in. Okay,

1166
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,360
so it's impossible for that log to roll wall.

1167
01:01:57,679 --> 01:01:58,639
Speaker 4: And then we landed here.

1168
01:01:59,079 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 28: You had to have traje Street had had force, some

1169
01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:04,320
kind of force to get out this then foot where

1170
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:04,840
she was at.

1171
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:06,719
Speaker 5: So right now, this is the time.

1172
01:02:06,639 --> 01:02:09,599
Speaker 27: I'm trying totand you're trying to be walker with me.

1173
01:02:10,119 --> 01:02:12,079
Speaker 5: I need the truth Right now, I'm trying to tell

1174
01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:13,920
you them trying of things. So if you're standing there and.

1175
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 27: I'm holding this log, that he was thrown out whoo

1176
01:02:18,159 --> 01:02:18,960
where she was at?

1177
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 4: Right?

1178
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,719
Speaker 37: So this is the point in time where you tell

1179
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,840
us either you see do it, you both hit it,

1180
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:30,400
or it was more than than two of you. Whatever

1181
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:33,320
happened needs to come out now because we can't tell you.

1182
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:34,119
Speaker 13: I did not do it.

1183
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,119
Speaker 4: I did not do it, and Mirandon and aj had

1184
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:36,840
nothing to do with it.

1185
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,199
Speaker 1: One of the strangest parts of this case was how

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all four teenagers described the log is simply rolling off

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the cliff and not being thrown. But that didn't make sense.

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For the log to land where it did, it would

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have taken considerable force. The reality was someone or multiple

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people had to have thrown it, and none of the

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teenagers could explain that inconsistency. The only thing that made

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sense was that both Jordan and Jayden picked up the

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log together and flung it off the cliff.

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Speaker 4: I did the open do it. I don't remember what

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he did to get it off.

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Speaker 5: I just know Jayden did it.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember everything.

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Speaker 5: I don't remember that specific detail.

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Speaker 27: Yes, that's the only thing that trouble remembering the whole time.

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Speaker 5: That's the only thing be in my shoes right now.

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Speaker 29: Okay, you can remember everything, but you can't remember that

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specific detail.

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Speaker 5: So I'm sitting here thinking, man, because Jordan happened so fast.

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I happened so fast.

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Speaker 6: I turned around.

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Speaker 5: He said, I'm going to throw it off. I turned

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back around, and it was and he was already going down.

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Speaker 1: Another unanswered question was why the two female witnesses pointed

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fingers at different people. Miranda said Jayden through the log.

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Aj claimed it was Jordan. Miranda even went as far

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as saying Jordan never touched the log at all, which

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made no sense considering Jordan himself admitted that he helped

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move it.

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Speaker 5: Jordan has admitted.

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Speaker 4: Jordan's didn't move along, he admitted to me.

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Speaker 5: But why would he admit to me that he moved

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the lag.

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Speaker 20: I'm telling you that Jordan Jayden was the one that

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moved the log. Like that's what I remember.

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Speaker 18: That's what I'm trying to tell you, Like me and

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Jordan have no connections, Like like.

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Speaker 23: I don't like Jordan at all.

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Speaker 5: I took Jordan to the scene we've gone to walk through,

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and he was telling us how he moved the lag

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where he was standing, not lying.

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Speaker 4: What I remember, and if what I remember is wrong,

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then I can't help that.

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Speaker 3: Like, but I'm trying to tell you what is but

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as you know.

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Speaker 7: I can't help that.

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Speaker 1: Investigators later suspected that Miranda was lying to protect herself

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because of a prior romantic relationship she had with Jordan.

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When they dated, Jordan may not have reached Ohio's age

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of consent, which was sixteen. By the way, Yeah, Ohio sucks.

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It's possible Miranda did not want to implicate Jordan, fearing

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he might turn around and exposure. She may have been

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trying to avoid facing statutory rape charges.

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Speaker 5: Do you have any relationships with Jordan?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Did you understand that?

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Speaker 1: Miranda admitted she'd been in a relationship with Jordan, but

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denied ever having sex with him. Nonetheless, Miranda was never

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charged with any form of sexual assault. Instead, she was

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charged with obstruction for lying during the investigation of Victoria

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Schaeffer's murder.

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Speaker 38: Miranda Spencer of Nelsonville received a suspended ninety day sentence

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guilty to obstructing official business.

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Speaker 1: In court, Miranda changed her story instead of blaming Jaden

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She claimed she couldn't remember who touched the log which

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of the boys had sent it over the cliff. As

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for Jaden and Jordan, both were indicted on charges of murder,

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involuntary manslaughter, and reckless homicide. Despite being just sixteen, both

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were charged as adults, meaning they were now facing the

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full weight of the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 6: They ended up both taking plea deals where they would

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plead only to involuntary manslaughter in exchange for having the

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other charges murder and reckless homicide dropped.

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Speaker 33: Seventeen year old Jordan Buckley walked into court with his

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family and pled guilty to involuntary manslaughter. Are Buckley then

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stood up turned in a durss Victoria's family, including her husband, prints.

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Speaker 4: I understand that my actions had.

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Speaker 27: Caused your fans like to change, and myer from all

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of this disease is tron to.

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Speaker 5: Learn and with the rest of my life.

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Speaker 16: In a way to arm the shads.

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Speaker 1: Both teens took plea deals in exchange the murder and

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homicide charges were dropped and their cases were sent back

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to juvenile court. At their sentencing hearings, both Jaden and

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Jordan offered weak apologies to Victoria's family first.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to apologize the mis shaper's family. I know

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that no matter what I say, nothing will bring your

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loved one back.

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Speaker 5: I know what I did was wrong.

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Speaker 2: I hope that you know I never intended to hurt

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anyone that day at Hawking Hill. However, I realized now

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that my actions can have unattended consequences. I want to

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lay I know that I think about this this reading

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for the rest of my life. I have learned from

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my own coactions and will take this opportunity to become

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a better person and hopefully use.

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Speaker 1: This experience and hope of At the sentencing, victorious family

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members took turns speaking. Her younger sister was first to

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address the court.

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Speaker 15: I'm confronted daily by ways in which my sister is missing.

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I'm sud mindedly thinking of texting her when she crosses

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my mind, missing or encouragement when I need it most,

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and the guidance that only older.

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Speaker 5: Sister can't provide.

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Speaker 15: We've been catching the closes of her face and my

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own reflection. I believe that is why, over one year later,

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not only still heart looking over the loss of someone

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so critically important in my life, but I'm angry that

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the individuals responsible did not immediately come forward, in fact

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hiding the secret among them for over a month until

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someone else turned them in.

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Speaker 1: Next to speak and deliver a truly heart breaking impact

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statement was Victoria's husband.

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Speaker 11: Victoria's death was so tragic, so devastating, and so senseless.

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Speaker 5: It's unimaginable.

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Speaker 4: And whatever I say here.

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Speaker 11: Today won't come even close to describing how.

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Speaker 5: Painful this has been for me for my family.

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Speaker 11: The night before she died, we were up late and

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she was editing the photos.

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Speaker 3: It was probably after one am.

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Speaker 5: She didn't have to get up early. The next day,

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it was Labor Day.

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Speaker 11: She was looking forward to going to Old Men's Cave

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and doing the photo shoot with her senior reps.

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Speaker 4: We were lying in bed and she was in my arms.

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Speaker 5: And she told me something she never told me before.

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Speaker 11: She said the happiest part of her day was at

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the end of the night and she was in my arms.

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Speaker 33: She told me she loved me.

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Speaker 11: And couldn't wait to spend the rest of her life

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with me. I loved her more at that moment than

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ever before.

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Speaker 5: And the next night she was gone.

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Speaker 1: The loss Victoria's family endured was unimaginable. But despite their grief,

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they agreed to the plea deals that had been offered

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to and Jordan.

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Speaker 11: I want to first clarify how we came to this agreement.

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Speaker 4: Because it was very, very difficult.

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Speaker 5: We said we'd think about it for a few days.

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Speaker 11: My children are very compassionate, and what ultimately helped us

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make the decision to offer this as one deal was

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a Victoria was a very compassionate person. We'd all felt

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that she would have wanted to give them a second chance.

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Speaker 1: In the end, it was the compassion Victoria had instilled

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in those around her that likely spared Ja and Jordan

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from a lifetime behind bars. During sentencing, Victoria's daughter read

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an impact statement written by Victoria's mother. In it, Jaden

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and Jordan were offered only one path to redemption.

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Speaker 39: I need to know that you will do your very

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vast to turn your life around. I need to know

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that when you are released from this sentence, you will

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have become a man who will make a contribution to

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the society, not just take from it. This is an

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early chapter in your book of life. I sincerely pray

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for you that Victoria's loss will not be in vain.

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Let this tragic circumstance catapult you to even greater goals

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that you can imagine today, that you will dig in

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and dig deep to meet the challenge of becoming a

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great man, a man who will bring honor to Victoria,

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to make up in some way for one you so

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care carelessly have taken from all of us. Let the

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story of your life proclaim to all that you understood

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the gravity of your actions, and that you did all

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in your power to be a credit to society. Only

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that goes satisfyed.

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Speaker 1: The forgiveness and the compassion that Victoria's family showed in

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the court was truly remarkable, far more than they would

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have gotten from me, that's for sure. The guilty please

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were entered and the impact statements were made. All that

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was left was for a judge to deliver a sentence

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the pain that.

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Speaker 3: You heard from them and describe them.

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Speaker 4: Why can't.

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Speaker 40: I got I get angry listening to it, so I

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don't know if I could be as forgiving as they are.

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Speaker 38: Do you understand Do you understand that you took a

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mother of children your age, your same age, you took

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their mother? Do you understand that they are a wife, sister,

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and that's a void that can never be filled for them.

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Speaker 4: Now you're gonna have some time to sit in uys

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and do you understand that right?

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Speaker 40: But you understand you're getting a second chance here now

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because they are forgiving you understand that?

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Speaker 9: Correct?

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Speaker 40: You you understand and you understand that that's not and

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this is shape of that correct if you're getting the

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second chance to shet a docu.

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Speaker 1: In the end, both Jordan Buckley and Jaden Churches were

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sentenced to just three years in juvenile detention, a slap

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on the wrist if there ever was one. As for

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the biggest question of all, who actually threw the log?

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The truth is no one seems to know. Investigators couldn't

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prove it either way, and neither Jaden nor Jordan ever

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admitted to it in court. Maybe Jaden did it, maybe

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Jordan did it, maybe they both did, or maybe that

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detail doesn't matter as much as we think, because at

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the end of the day, both teenagers were legally responsible.

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Both of them made a choice to move, shove, kick, roll,

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or throw a seventy five pound log off a cliff,

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A log that came crashing down with enough force to

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shatter a skull and take the Torrea Shaeffer's life in

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an instant, and both were held accountable in a way

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that reflected the wishes of Victoria's family. So what else

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is there to do? The conclusion of this case doesn't

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come with a whole lot of satisfaction, that's for sure.

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It's messy, but usually murder is messy. There are still

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unanswered questions and the whole thing feels unfinished. But sometimes

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that's the only justice there is, and sometimes you know,

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that's just life. I can't believe this is our thirteenth year.

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It's absolutely madness. I did not think this is how

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my life was gonna go. Let's put it that way anyway.

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Thank you so much for being here. Thank you so

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much for being a fan, a listener, supporter, whatever, any

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01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:32,680
little thing you guys do, we appreciate, I promise you,

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even if it's just hitting a like button on a

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video or leaving a comment, it's all very much appreciated.

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Thank you so much for being Herepe twenty twenty six

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is a wonderful year for.

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Speaker 4: All of you. Scaris socialis Agaris socialis

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Speaker 3: Agarisocial a Laris