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While you're visiting Bryce Kandan National Park, let's get out

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Speaker 3: Welcome in.

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Speaker 2: Baller's shot collar d Sean Walker, beat rider Insider KSL

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Speaker 3: We got Sean Walker on the line. What's up, Sean?

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Speaker 4: I prefer to be known as someone from the same

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state that US Women's Hockey Olympic legend Hillary Knight lives in.

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Thank you very much, Ben.

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Speaker 3: I know we got we got the gold baby.

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Speaker 4: Shout out. Shout out to Hillary Knight. Shout it is there.

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Has anybody ever had a better seventy two hours in

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life like let alone sports but life? Then Hillary Knight,

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she gets engaged. Was it like two nights ago? She

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scores the game tying goal to become the US women's

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talking all time leader in points and goals in the Olympics,

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in an Olympics, and then she wins her second gold medal, Like,

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come on, man, it's good to be Hill, It's good

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to be Hillary.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to Hillary.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to the women's the women's hockey team getting

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that gold medal around their next Congratulations to all the competitors,

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all the Olympians out there that are winning at a

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high level for the US of a Sean. We've been

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talking hoop, We've been talking football. I want to talk

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NFL combined with you if you can take a few

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moments to discuss Chase Roberts and Jack Kelly right now.

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Are you disappointed that more guys weren't invited to the

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Speaker 3: Do you think two was the right number? Who's at

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the accurate number?

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Speaker 2: Did anyone get slided here from BYU?

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Speaker 4: I think, I mean, I think the two no brainers

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from b YU will probably Chase Roberts and Jack Hill,

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can maybe make an argument for a couple of offensive

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and defensive linemen, But I also don't really know how

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offensive and defensive linemen are judged, quite frankly on the

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NFL combine and kind of what they can do, what

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they can sell, that sort of thing. I'm not paid

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to be in. I know there's a shocking event, but

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can't get inside their minds. I know it's weird, it's wild.

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now not Isaiah Bagna, Isaiah Glaster. Excuse me, I'm getting

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years mixed up. After Isaiah Lasker and now I think

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be drafted, and kind of just needed some eyes, some

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that would say Roberts and Jack Kelly. Again. I throw

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they in there a sort of the third guy once

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think something like the NFL Combine for a guy, let's

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start with Chase. For Chase Roberts, I think the combine

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experience has a potential to maybe expose some things that

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of thing. They're going to look really really heavy at

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those things. So Chases needs a goat, he needs he

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needs to do what he does best. He needs to

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draft and close to hashtag draft season, if you will,

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know that this is different than just playing football. But

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think he could. He could work himself into that position

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right in there, with a good showing at the draft

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com When it comes to Jack Kelly, I think more

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eyes on him and more opportunities to show case who he

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is and what he is can only help him. I

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hurt his stock knock on blood obviously, hopefully I'm not

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chinking him, but I think he just needs people to

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see him. He needs, you know, people to see the

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kid from Kern who spent most of his college career

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we were stayed and then quite his way through a

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see who he is and what he's about. I think

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need to see who he is. I think this NFL

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graphic experience ultimately should again knock on wood. Hopefully I'm

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not thinking anybody, but ultimately it should only help him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Chase is gonna come out of

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this kind of just even it's like he's a productive, big, strong, quick,

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good route running wide receiver. I think Jack is gonna

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elevate his stock. I really believe that. I think he's

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gonna run a really good forty time.

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Speaker 2: Like he he has that that explosive get off and speed.

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Speaker 4: Will say this about Chase Roberts as well, is this

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the draft combine, outside of the underwear Olympics where he

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Speaker 4: What are your agility drills looking like? Like that's what

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a day on NFL network. I think that's all important,

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that's all there. But this is also a place where

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all where scouts and executive from all thirty two NFL

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mental aptitude tests. They pull it. They brought you not

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only physically but also mentally. And I think Chase Roberts

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is the kind of guy who is he can just

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really improve, he can improve his stock just by showing

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them who he is. He's the type of guy, uh,

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elevate himself by proving that he's not going to be

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a head case or a headache if you will, Annie Roster,

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little those leadership at times. I think that's where maybe

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not necessarily stand up and run and the.

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What can we find uh as far as your product,

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Speaker 4: Dot com, I mean it's just where we transition over

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now coming out a game in Tucson over there. What well,

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the program, Benja. Then what did you think of that

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game last night? Uh? In Tucson? And maybe I'll follow

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think both teams were a little bit shorthanded.

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in college basketball. So you can make an argument like, oh, well,

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you just you're you're you're even in that regard. And

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Speaker 3: So the way you did, what they typically do.

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Speaker 2: They get down at some point in in the first

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Speaker 3: Make it respectable. That's what they did.

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Speaker 3: From a baseline standpoint. Some silver linings.

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not just settling for picking pops and three point shots.

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couple of putbacks, like he's starting to maybe get back

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Speaker 3: Hopefully he can be healthy and strong.

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Speaker 2: But other than that, k Y has absolutely no confidence

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else they they have, they have four guys that he likes,

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Speaker 3: Those are my thoughts on it.

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Speaker 2: It was a respectable loss versus one of the best

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teams in college basketball. Our offense is great, our defense

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Speaker 3: That's my synopsis.

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little bit less of an extent. No sight to Rob.

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what the team is offensively, and when you throw Richie

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potential to make it into the second second week and

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maybe un Final Fourpere and in the NCAA Tournament. But

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it had in a lot of ways. I mean, my

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guy like Anthony Dulosa can come off of the bench,

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uh and go for whatever you want to finishing with

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twenty three, twenty five somewhere in there. I mean, and

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telling though, is not quite saying how long he'll be out,

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season when he gets back. In all of a sudden,

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this is Arizona team that's the Dash Hotel contender, and

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being that necessarily, but based off of where the expectations

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bit of a disappointment, and I think there are a

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lot of reasons for that disappointment. Ritchie Saunder's injury is

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is big, but the injury bug has hit them pretty

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pretty hard. Not just Saunders, but you've got Dawson Baker,

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getting hurt, who could have been a reliable stub maybe

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see some rotation minutes in there. You add that to

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a bench that just hasn't panned out very well. This

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up in the absence of Richie Fonda. I didn't really

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see anybody step up to prove that they can fill

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Richie's minutes. Like you mentioned Canard Davis, Like, yeah, he

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showed a couple of nice things in the second half,

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but he's been a starter and still was a starter

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last night. I guess that's nice, but I just I

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don't see where BYU goes to replace those a minute

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for Richie. And I think that is a serious problem

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for Kevin Young and his staf.

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Speaker 3: Sean.

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Speaker 2: It's uh about we're getting down to the to the

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wire here in the regular season. What do you think

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the win lost record will be in these last what

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are we having now five games left in the regular season.

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Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, it's tough because I mean they got a

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top ten team and Iowa State coming into their building

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on Saturday, right.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: And this Big Twelve schedule is unrelenty. It is tough,

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it is, it is terrible in some ways. If you're

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not ready for you can get really punched in the mouth.

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this schedule in Big twelve play anymore. We even thought

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a team like Utah that only had one Big Twelve

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win go on the road and smack West Virginia last night, right, So,

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like this this is a conference that is unforgiving. This

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is a conference that you can't just sleep walk through

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anywhere literally anywhere, but whether that's in Tucson or Waco,

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or Manhattan, Kansas, or Morgantown, West Virginia, Orlando, Florida, Cincinnia, Ohio,

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where that is like, I think you got to show up.

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You got to play your best. Ultimately, I do think

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AJ and Rob have enough talent in them to kind

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of eat BYU back into sort of its top half

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status in the Big twelve tournament. I think they can

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win a couple of games, get above that twenty win plateau.

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That's really important. Beyond that, I really don't know. I

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really don't know where else is team shows a lot

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of it. It's gonna depend I think a lot of

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it is gonna ride on both two, you know, the

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Big three becoming the Big two. And what can the

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Speaker 2: What what this BAYU basketball team can be to be

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to be determined still, but I know, okay, why has

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some fight?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: And we're still looking for answers from the bench. I thought,

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I hoped, I prayed it could be a Lexi Costic.

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I'm losing hope. I'm losing faith in Mahilo. I'm I'm

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I'm losing faith in just about that entire bench lineup

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trying to find their way. Look, give me Jared McGregor,

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give me McGregor, give it to him. I'm ready to

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see him. Dominique gain cutting it for me. Monde in

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a diamond in the rough, Honi, Jared, just Jared, And

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as soon as you get a look Jared, I want

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you to just huck it up, baby, Just take the shot,

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shoot the jay.

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Speaker 4: I love me some Jmac. I will always call for

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some more Jmac anywhere and everywhere. Jerry McGregor is one

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of my favorite people, let alone basketball players ever. But

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I don't necessarily totally disagree with you. But one thing

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that hasn't been talked about enough with saunders injury was

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we know he's a great shooter, we know he's got

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an incredibly high motor. We know he's a just a

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dogged defender, right He uses his lines very well, can

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kind of do a little bit of everything. But it's

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it's his heart. And I do think that Kevin Young

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touched on this a little bit earlier in the week

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where he said, rich Saunders has really kind of been

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the heart of this team for the past two years

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that he's been there. He's been the face of Deyu

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basketball under Kevin Young, and right, when you lose your heart,

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I think Yu's lost his heart in a lot of

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ways and they need to figure out a way to

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get that back. As much as Richie's points. Points can

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be replaced, Revents can eventually be replaced. Again, It's not easy.

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This can be replaced. All of those stats can eventually

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be replaced. And that's something that that they're working on

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really hard at the annex, probably even right now as

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we speak. But what is maybe what's a little bit

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more difficult to replace is heart. It's soul and YU

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needs to find the full of its program song Rickie Sonders,

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and they probably need to do it pretty quickly.

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Speaker 3: K Y said in the post game.

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Speaker 2: That that it's gonna be a dog fight.

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Speaker 3: Every time you play b YU.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Young said that on his team's identity since losing

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Richie Saunders. Do you think opponents feel like it's going

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to be a dogfight every time they played b YU?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they've coaches have said so so far

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up to this point in the year. Granted most of

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that has been with Ritchie, but they know what It's

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tough play for Maria Center is to play. I think

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the fans are still going to show up. I think

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that I can give them a significant advantage for their

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last couple of games here at home in Provo. They

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know the talent that aj Devonte is they know the

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talent that Rob right. The third still is they know

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that there is still talent around them. These guys are wanted,

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have been recruited to play Division one basketball and arguably

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the best conference in America, the second best league in

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America outside of the NBA. Again, to borrow one of

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breat your Mark's favorite lines, like, these guys all have talent,

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and I think coaches know that, but they're also going

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to be scheming around that talent and trying to figure

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out how to make themselves successful against that YU talent.

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So yeah, like I do think this is still a

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dogged team. I do think. I do think that there

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is still something in them. It's just they're just still

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a little bit shell shocked from a pretty significant injury.

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Speaker 2: Sean Walker, Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls talking BYU basketball,

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BA football topics, real quick storylines, beaca storylines of spring

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ball that you're you're going to be taking a long,

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hard look at during Camp Kilani twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was. I was initially gonna be looking in

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the backfield to see what running backs there were to

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back up l. J. Martin. We know the Big twelve

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rating off of the Player of the Year. He's been

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in all everything running back for Kowane team. Do what

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you need? More depth in the backfield, though promising signs

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Devon Eckas already on campus. You know he's gone to

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know the team. He graduated early from Lehigh. This dude

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is an absolute dog, and I want to be shocked

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if he jumped into the rotation right away. But I

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think there are other guys that are definitely gonna get

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some opportunities gonext On a moa. Guys like like President

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Rex is still back there. We thought good things out

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of Stil the moon hanging in the bowl game that

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you can't totally go unnoticed. That was my number one storyline.

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I think he had it into swing camps. But obviously

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with the situation that developed around Parker Kingston and him

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no longer being with the team, I think you need

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to kind of shift to the wide receiver pool. This

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was a group that had now lost its top two targets,

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top three targets really in terms of pass catches with

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Carson Ryan and Kase Roberts and there from last season

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and there there are a lot of reps to replace

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right there. So running back, wide receiver, quarterbacks pretty well

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settled that. I'm pretty sure we're settled. I don't think

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there's any controversy there. Their Boutonnier coming back obviously, and

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I really like Nick Watson coming in the potential backup

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for him, along with Chasing Bulgey returning as well, So

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I think those are fine. But we're going back in

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that wide receiver. I think wide receiver is probably the

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most present concern for b YU right now, not who's

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throwing passes, but who's catching them ultimately from bear Backmeyer.

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Speaker 2: Goldie Man, I've been on that train for a while.

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The L A l A product Emick Watson, I think

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he could possibly overtake the try it and prove Tracon

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borgay as QB two. I'm with you on that one, Sean.

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I'll ride and die with you on that, and I

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think it's very I think it's possible. I think it's feasible.

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Speaker 4: Fact he got to campus in like mid November, he

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was able to join the team and as soon as

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the semester ended in December, so he went through most

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of those bull practices with BYU and uh. He's already

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receiving very rave reviews from Aaron Rodgers. So that's that's

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certainly promising.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna tag your baby QB two Cougarnation,

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Nick Watson.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to break, guys. But I appreciate you, Sean.

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We got to run.

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Speaker 3: But always a pleasure past way to support you. What

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you do, how you do it?

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