WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.720 This is pod Popular Podcast for the People. 2 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:14.119 The Great Love Debate. It's Great Love Debate, the Great 3 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:15.000 Love Debate. 4 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:19.359 It's a Great Love Debate. Hi again, Everyone's Brian Howie. 5 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:23.000 Welcome to The Great Love Debate, the world's number one 6 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:26.359 dating and relationship podcast since twenty fifteen. I am not 7 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:30.199 in the very fine studios of Pod Popular Podcasts with 8 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:34.799 the people. I have recorded this podcast in a a 9 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:37.000 lot of places over the years. I have recorded it 10 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:40.399 in a Starbucks in Shanghai. I have recorded it in 11 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.000 all of America. I have recorded it in a casino. 12 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:46.840 I recorded it in on a beach in Tel Aviv, 13 00:00:47.399 --> 00:00:51.119 at the Carlisle Hotel, in a coffee shop in Melbourne, 14 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:53.600 like anywhere I could go. And I'm going to get 15 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:58.159 into where I am in a minute. Obviously, those of 16 00:00:58.159 --> 00:00:59.840 you guys who have been listening to the show, you 17 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:03.359 know that this particular episode is a special show for 18 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:08.000 me and the Debate team in this country and probably 19 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:11.159 around the world. We'd love to celebrate round numbers, and 20 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:13.640 in the history of this show, both our live show 21 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:16.959 and the podcast, we have celebrated the one hundredth and 22 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:19.920 the two hundredth and the two hundred and fiftieth and 23 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:21.959 all the rest. Sometimes we do it really over the top. 24 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:25.599 Sometimes it's muted in private and just a sly like 25 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:30.239 we did it, smirk on my face. I am recording 26 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:34.400 this in twenty twenty five. Next year is America's two 27 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:38.439 hundred and fiftieth. Surprisingly, there's not a lot of building 28 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:40.840 buzz around that, even though two hundred fifty seems like 29 00:01:41.079 --> 00:01:42.760 a nice round number. I think it's because it's not 30 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.239 a cute name, like the bi centennial. Two hundred and 31 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:49.319 fifty is the semi quinn centennial, which is not easy 32 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:49.560 to say. 33 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:51.319 It's not a fun fact, so maybe that's why it 34 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:51.959 has no buzz. 35 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:58.519 Anyway, this is our five hundredth episode, and. 36 00:01:57.120 --> 00:01:58.439 This show's about relationships. 37 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.319 Ones, bad ones, ones we learn from, ones we have 38 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:05.200 pain from, ones we grow from. 39 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:07.560 And and that's what I feel like. 40 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.479 This show is, this podcast is a relationship between me 41 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:15.719 and you guys, this audience, this big audience, and it 42 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:24.960 is honestly, professionally and personally as satisfying, rewarding, giving, honest 43 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:28.039 relationship I could ever have imagined having. 44 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:29.280 Over ten years. 45 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:33.439 Now, week after week, me and you guys, we sneak 46 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:35.719 off to a cheap hotel, and we share all kinds 47 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:38.960 of parts of ourselves and our hearts and our minds 48 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:42.280 and our thoughts and our laughs. And so this show 49 00:02:43.120 --> 00:02:45.719 matters to me more than you guys know, the whole 50 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:50.240 Great Love debate and this particular episode, it matters a lot. 51 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:52.520 So I'm gonna ramble on a bit and we're gonna 52 00:02:52.560 --> 00:02:54.360 cover a lot of ground. But when I thought about 53 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:59.840 who I wanted to have guessed on this show, somebody 54 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:02.120 who who I knew could take a look back and 55 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:04.120 has been around for the history of it and also 56 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.120 help me take a look ahead, because five hundred is 57 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:09.400 just one milestone. We're gonna have a lot more of these. 58 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:11.879 I wanted to have the person on this show who 59 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:15.280 is the most responsible for it, even more than me. 60 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:19.039 She hasn't been on this show in a while. I 61 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:21.280 had to track her down, so my undisclosed location. I'm 62 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:24.039 literally halfway up a mountain. It's sort of like was 63 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:26.479 it Ray had to go find Luke Skywalker in one 64 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:28.439 of Star Wars, like I had to make a track. 65 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:30.400 I had to make a track. 66 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:33.319 To find her to the mountaintop where she hides out 67 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:37.520 producing hit television shows. So I'm gonna bring her in 68 00:03:37.520 --> 00:03:40.159 in a second, and I'm gonna flatter her to death, 69 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:43.919 and then she and I we're gonna share a bit 70 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:47.159 of history about this great love debate. And those of 71 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:48.919 you haven't been around for the whole ride, I think 72 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:50.039 you're gonna learn some stuff. 73 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:52.520 But those of you who have been around for the. 74 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:54.840 Whole ride, and I'm shocked to always meet and hear 75 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:57.719 from people who have been along all four hundred and 76 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:03.280 ninety nine episodes to date. And she might get embarrassed 77 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:04.319 at some of the things I'm gonna say, and she 78 00:04:04.360 --> 00:04:05.000 might storm off. 79 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:05.439 I don't know. 80 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.400 She is back for the first time in maybe a 81 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:15.039 couple of years. She actually co hosted my very favorite 82 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:17.560 episode of this show ever. People ask me all the time, 83 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:22.079 what's your favorite episode of this show? Go listen, Sorry, 84 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:24.920 a truck is rolling up this hill here, Go listen 85 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:28.399 to episode four hundred and fifty seven of this podcast. 86 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:32.920 It's literally entitled the best episode ever, where me and 87 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:36.439 her dove into the twenty three questions that matter Anyway. 88 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:37.439 Here she is. 89 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:41.879 I tracked her down in person, the longtime producer of 90 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:46.240 this show, The Brilliant and Beautiful, the two time Emmy 91 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:47.319 Award winning Kko. 92 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.319 Hey, hey, I've heard that a while. 93 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:52.040 A lot of our fans are always like, where's ke Co. 94 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:54.920 I'm like, she's too busy for the show. So let me. 95 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:56.120 I'm gonna flatter you. 96 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:57.720 Okay, I'm ready. 97 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:00.000 You know, this show's about love, dating and relationship. 98 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:06.199 And I've said many times, because I know the difference 99 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:09.759 you made in my life, that it is much harder 100 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:12.839 to find somebody who believes in you than somebody who 101 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:15.920 loves you. And there have been people in my life 102 00:05:16.199 --> 00:05:18.319 who loved me, and maybe some of they even believed 103 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:20.920 in me, but I was not aware of it. I 104 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:24.279 did not accept it. I did not trust their opinion 105 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:28.959 of me or whatever. You, young lady, are the very first 106 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:33.399 person that I can say for a fact, believed in me, 107 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:37.920 believed in me as a man, believed in me as 108 00:05:37.920 --> 00:05:41.279 a talent, believed in what you thought I could do 109 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:42.959 to the point. 110 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:45.160 Where I wasn't even doing what we were doing. 111 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:47.560 So I'm going to give you a little bit of history, 112 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.920 but i'll give your perspective of that. You thought I'd 113 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:52.720 be a television star, and now here we are halfway 114 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:54.240 up a mountain doing the five hundred podcast. 115 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:55.839 Oh my god, you want me to tell that story. 116 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:57.240 Yeah, okay, all right. 117 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:01.079 So so okay, So back in the day again. 118 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:02.600 It is about ten years ago. 119 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:06.680 I was a very very active television producer and working 120 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:10.319 in development and looking for talent for new shows and 121 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:14.879 things like that. And after much you know, begging and 122 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:18.120 pleading and suggesting, a girlfriend of mine, who was actually 123 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:22.000 one of the on stage lineup for Brian Howie's show 124 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:24.000 for The Great Love Debate, said you know, you really 125 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:25.360 should come to this show. 126 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:28.839 Come to the show and just take a look at it. 127 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:31.319 And I said, okay, fine, So I walked in there 128 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:34.519 as a television producer to look at the show as 129 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:35.800 a potential. 130 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:37.839 Vehicle for a series. 131 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.040 This is the live show, the live show, the live show, 132 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:45.360 the Great Love Debate Live Show. And much to my surprise, 133 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:51.680 Brian Howie, the writer, producer, owner of the show, was 134 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:57.720 not actually on stage himself, and having met him briefly, 135 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:01.959 I said, I don't I don't know why, I said 136 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:05.720 to myself, I don't know why he isn't up there 137 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.879 doing the show. I don't understand it. So when it 138 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:13.639 was over, I asked him, I said, Brian Hollie, why 139 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:17.680 aren't you hosting your show. Aren't you the great love 140 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:21.120 of debate? Do you remember what you said to me? No, 141 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:24.360 you said, you said, Oh, I'm a writer, producer, director. 142 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:26.040 I'm behind the scenes talent. 143 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:26.319 Yeah. 144 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.560 Yeah, I knew I had the riz, as the kids said, 145 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:33.000 but you were just like, what are we doing here? 146 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:33.560 Yeah? 147 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:39.879 His his riz was so over the top, different, better 148 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:44.160 you know, than anyone else that you would normally run across, 149 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:47.040 and for sure better than anyone that he's ever I 150 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:50.560 think had on his his stage as a lineup. And 151 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:53.240 not to not to offend anyone, We've had some really 152 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:57.000 wonderful people, but Brian Howie really is the great love debate. 153 00:07:57.079 --> 00:08:01.000 He is front and center, so base. After he gave 154 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:04.040 me his excuses, I said, I asked him, I said, 155 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:07.000 would you do it once for me? Would you just 156 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:09.000 do it once for me? I mean, I had to 157 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:11.920 see the guy perform, right, I'm looking for talent. I 158 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.439 had to see him perform. And he goes, yeah, okay, fine, 159 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:16.000 I got one coming up in San Diego. 160 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:17.120 Sure I'll do that for you. 161 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:21.040 Okay, fine, so very you know, very much like that, 162 00:08:21.439 --> 00:08:23.639 and then you know, fast forward. I think it was 163 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:29.240 a couple of weeks he did a show in San Diego, 164 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:34.919 and he was terrific. He was absolutely off the charts 165 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.960 better than anyone else could have been. There was there's 166 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:43.360 nobody else who could have hosted the Great Love Debate 167 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:44.440 better than you right here. 168 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:45.519 Yeah, well, thank you. 169 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:51.879 And at that point, you know, I just didn't what 170 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:53.240 we've learned on this show. 171 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:55.799 This is the podcast. So we'll get into the evolution 172 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:56.840 of the podcast shortly. 173 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:03.960 That the answers always outside of your comfort zone and 174 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:06.159 my comfort zone for I don't know, to that point, 175 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:09.960 twenty something years in entertainment business as a writer, director, producer, 176 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:13.720 I was talented, but I was not the talent. I 177 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.080 was not comfortable being the talent. I was not comfortable 178 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:18.519 being the one on the mic. I always needed some 179 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:21.960 filter for my thoughts to put it through these people 180 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:25.639 and almost be this Fengali, this Marionette person, to have 181 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:29.240 all these people have the conversations that I probably wanted 182 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:32.759 to have myself. And so when you said, you know, 183 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:35.440 I'd had agents, and I'd had managers, and I'd had 184 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:38.039 other producers and TV people were circling me at that 185 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:40.320 point telling me, you know, blah blah blah. 186 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:41.559 But that's a little bit of Hollywood. 187 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:43.759 You know, you get your ass kissed a lot, but 188 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:45.480 you were not trying to kiss my ass. You were 189 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:47.840 really asking me questions that I'd never thought about, but 190 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:48.399 like why not? 191 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:51.320 What are you doing? Like why not? And then when 192 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:53.279 you said do it once as a favor for me, 193 00:09:55.759 --> 00:09:57.200 I did it. I don't know, I. 194 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:59.080 Mean, it seemed like a sincere request. And then I 195 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.639 did it, and I hosting my own show. 196 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:04.600 And remember the reason that I had asked him to 197 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:06.679 do it was that I was looking at him as 198 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:10.799 potential talent for television. And I did, in fact go 199 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:11.639 off and pitch him. 200 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:14.039 And sadly, you weren't casting the Bachelor at that point. 201 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:15.360 I was or survivor. 202 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:16.519 No, I was, you were. 203 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:19.600 You were trying to find Yeah, I was working in. 204 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:22.360 Development, and so I had to see him as talent 205 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:23.759 and it worked out. 206 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:24.919 I found him. 207 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:27.279 I found him, I nailed him. I made him get 208 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.759 on the stage, even though I didn't it didn't result 209 00:10:29.799 --> 00:10:30.480 in a TV. 210 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:34.840 Show, and that and and that version of of that show, 211 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.039 even with me hosting back then, it was still a little. 212 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:41.840 Jerry springerish. It was still a little men against the women. 213 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:44.159 It was still I felt I was I was above 214 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:46.840 the fray because I wasn't comfortable even as the host 215 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:49.240 or even with the subject matter we're dealing with, going 216 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:53.799 to that vulnerable, authentic place that I am now like, 217 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.519 I admit I am getting emotional even talking to you. 218 00:10:57.039 --> 00:11:00.679 I didn't even have those emotions then. So forward after 219 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:02.759 that time, I don't know how much longer after that, 220 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:07.720 Adam Carolla and his gang were like, how come you 221 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:09.240 don't know a podcast? 222 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:11.679 And I'm like, I don't know how to do a podcast. 223 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:13.279 Nobody knew how to do a podcast. 224 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:16.159 Most people didn't even know what podcasts were. 225 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:18.360 And so they met with you because you were kind 226 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:20.799 of representing me as talent. And then so they're like, 227 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.759 let's do a podcast. And then coincidentally, fortuitously or not, 228 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:28.240 the way that he tested me was again back down 229 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.320 in San Diego, Adam Corolla is like, you're going to 230 00:11:31.360 --> 00:11:34.200 appear on stage with me at the I think it's 231 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:38.039 called the American Comedy Club. Sold out me, Adam Carola 232 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:42.399 and Greg Fitzfimmens, who was a big comedian still is, 233 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:44.799 and I had to get out. I'd never been on 234 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:47.440 stage in a comedy club before, although I thought it 235 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:51.200 was comedy club funny, and that was his test. It 236 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:54.000 was like, if we're going to produce his show, let's 237 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:54.600 find it out. 238 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:55.480 And I went on that. 239 00:11:55.519 --> 00:12:01.919 Stage and sorry mom and dad, but I was fucking funny. 240 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:04.720 And after that, you know, and Adam's like, okay, wave 241 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.519 the wand gave me the television, gave me the excuse 242 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:12.679 me the podcast which was September ish of twenty fifteen, 243 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:18.000 and I had to be produced. So the person I 244 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.120 wanted to produce me was the person said do it 245 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:23.399 for me, And boy did you inherit a shelter dog. 246 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:29.000 Oh my goodness, that was a real arm wrestle. 247 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:30.240 Let me just stay there. 248 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:32.480 You're like, why don't you do this? I'm like why. 249 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:35.559 I was not easy talent to work with? 250 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:42.080 Oh my goodness. Oh that is such an understatement. He 251 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:46.240 was impossible to work with. But I will say this though, 252 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:48.639 I am probably the only person that could have worked 253 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:53.399 with him, because I was so challenged and tested myself 254 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:57.639 at you know, trying to figure out how to communicate 255 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:01.159 with this person that needed to make make some pivots 256 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:03.279 here and there are a few adjustments to be as 257 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:05.120 good as he could possibly be. 258 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:07.960 I mean, it was it is hard to produce a producer. 259 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:10.159 Yeah, And I was like, I think you said to 260 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.399 me time, like I wrote something and you were like, you. 261 00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:14.679 Were like, hey, do you want me to take a 262 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:19.840 cracker rewriting that. I'm like, rewrite me, like you do? 263 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:22.480 You know who I am? So there was a little ego. 264 00:13:22.600 --> 00:13:26.039 I mean, you were very, very accomplished in Hollywood, but 265 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:31.600 so was I, and so trying to produce a producer 266 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:33.720 and I've done a long time and a director and 267 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:35.519 I knew how to deliver a line like that must 268 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:38.000 have been no picnic And then about you know, thirty 269 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:39.039 forty shows. 270 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:41.080 Into it, I'm like, you know what we should do? 271 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:43.440 And it was exactly like the idea you said and 272 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:45.200 you just wrote your It was like, oh my god, 273 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:46.279 I cannot believe that. 274 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:47.279 The light bulb just went off. 275 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:50.440 I've been saying this for six months and the show 276 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:53.440 kind of went from there right right exactly. 277 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:57.720 I mean, it is it is true that that there. 278 00:13:57.919 --> 00:14:03.080 You know that producers are hard to produce, but Brian 279 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:07.240 Howie also, I think was especially hard because he was 280 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:12.200 such a fantastic producer and a fantastic director. He had 281 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:15.159 in fact produced in the number one off Broadway show 282 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:15.840 in New York. 283 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:16.639 For over a decade. 284 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:21.360 That was that was called Pieces of Ass and it 285 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:23.840 was the spoken autobiography of some of the world's most 286 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:28.039 beautiful women, and so he had to really really work 287 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:31.279 with them to be able to tell their stories. 288 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:34.159 And it was not easy. 289 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.399 I know that I've heard, I've heard a lot of 290 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:39.279 the story the behind the scenes on that, and. 291 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:39.840 It was huge. 292 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:43.159 It was a huge, huge, huge accomplishment. So having done that, 293 00:14:43.879 --> 00:14:46.799 you know, to credit you, I mean, I yeah, I 294 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:49.519 mean I understand that you didn't feel like you. 295 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:52.440 Needed well, I had pulled hundreds and he did thousands 296 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:55.279 and thousands of stories and stuff out of people, and 297 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:57.240 so I'm like, I don't need you to pull anything 298 00:14:57.279 --> 00:14:57.639 out of me. 299 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:03.000 I did. I was wrong. I admitted that. The look 300 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:03.799 on your face when. 301 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.759 I told you was wrong with you and our our 302 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:10.639 other engineer Klin back then, Mike August like, they're like, 303 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:12.559 oh my god, he's so difficult, and you know. But 304 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:14.600 then I started to do the live show in comedy 305 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:16.480 clubs and I felt like I could be funny and 306 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:19.039 I was the talent and all that. I want to 307 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:20.639 get into a little bit more of like the things 308 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:22.200 we have learned the people we've had on the show 309 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.000 and all that, all that kind of stuff. We got 310 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:26.480 to take a quick break because we got to pay 311 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:30.159 for mountaintop retreats like Keiko as here. I'm here with 312 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:33.039 the two time Emmy Award winning Keko and this is 313 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:34.120 our five hundredth episode. 314 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:36.519 We will be back right after this. 315 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:42.600 And we are back and thinking back to the early 316 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:47.759 days of the show The Guest, there were two shows 317 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:51.360 that really sort of changed it for me. One was 318 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:55.600 about Episode one and two, so two years in when 319 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:58.840 I was forced to do a show alone. You remember 320 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:00.639 early early days of the show, I would need this 321 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.480 whole peanut gallery of people on the show too. To 322 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:05.559 me crazy, I had like four or five I had 323 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:08.279 like a Howard Stern style like whack pack, because I 324 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:10.960 needed people to say right, yes, hit the ping pong 325 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:12.519 ball back to me, like I just needed these. 326 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:14.480 I don't think he ever had as many people in 327 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:16.200 his show as you had on yours. You were more 328 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.120 like like the original Bill Mahers show. 329 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.519 Yeah, I just had lots of people and they were 330 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:22.840 just around and I needed everybody miked, and I need 331 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:24.279 you on the mic, and I needed Kalin on I 332 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:26.200 need everybody Mike because I didn't quite trust my voice. 333 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:28.080 But then about one hundred episodes in two years in 334 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:30.440 somebody didn't show up and I had to do one myself, 335 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.320 and the feedback I got from you guys listening that 336 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:36.159 it was like, oh, that was probably the most authentic 337 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.639 version of you. You just talked as you guys know. 338 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:41.879 Now I probably do every other one myself, every third one. 339 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.360 Being able to just talk and trust that there's a 340 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:46.840 dialogue going on between me and the audience. That was 341 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:48.759 one of the most important things in the show. And 342 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:50.519 I produced a lot of podcasts now. I always try 343 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:53.720 and tell them you're the host of the party, You're 344 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.480 the strawitztirs, the drink. You have to be comfortable enough 345 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:58.720 that people are along for the ride with you if 346 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:00.840 you're going to be honest and and authentic. 347 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:02.679 But the one guest who. 348 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:05.160 We had early on that really validated what we were 349 00:17:05.240 --> 00:17:10.519 doing here was doctor Drew. And we went to Corolla 350 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:13.920 Studio on a Saturday and he came on and he 351 00:17:14.039 --> 00:17:18.000 really just sort of you know, he had hosted Loveline 352 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:20.920 to that point for ten years, you know, every single 353 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:24.200 night him and Adam. I was lucky enough to co 354 00:17:24.279 --> 00:17:26.160 host Love Line with him. It was me and him 355 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:31.119 and Marilyn Riskow Chloe from twenty four oh right, and 356 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:33.079 it was just thrilling. But when Drew came on the 357 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:36.039 show and he's been a huge supporter ever since, and 358 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:39.680 he kind of said, this is important what you're doing, 359 00:17:40.039 --> 00:17:42.559 this is this is important conversations that you're doing, you're 360 00:17:42.559 --> 00:17:45.839 not necessarily And he's the one who told me that 361 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:48.680 that our job was not to provide the answers. Our 362 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.119 job was to raise the questions. And he's like, there's 363 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:54.680 no experts on this, there is no expertise. And that 364 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:57.119 made me think, like, you know, at that point in 365 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:00.880 my forties, never been married, Like I didn't have to 366 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:04.240 apologize anymore after he said that. So he really helped 367 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:06.000 a lot. He really validated, and then we just had 368 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:10.240 some really good guests. I remember when Jillian Michaels came in. 369 00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:15.160 You know, she's a fitness trainer, lesbian, what you know, 370 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:15.720 what are we having? 371 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:16.000 Tom? 372 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:20.000 She was amazing, She was great and she was authentic. 373 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:24.319 Mary Lou Henner was great. John Gray, who wrote mars 374 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:26.279 Venus back, I mean these are you know, we hadn't 375 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:27.960 had this show fully fledg yet, But we had some 376 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:32.279 people who really liked talking about this, this subject matter. 377 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:34.680 We had some cookie cookie people, reality stars. 378 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:36.480 You know, Stossy Schroeder, Brandy Glanville, We had a lot 379 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:40.680 of people like that, Ross Matthews. You know. We had 380 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:41.880 a lot of people who would come in and make 381 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:44.319 fun of me, which was fun. But the ones who 382 00:18:44.359 --> 00:18:47.119 really wanted to dig into this to the subject matter. 383 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:50.559 I love that I loved and I'm super proud of 384 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:53.920 her now Jen Glantz who wrote the book Always a Bridesmaid, 385 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:56.039 and now she has a book out called Finally a 386 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:58.599 Bride and she's a fantastic guest. And I feel like 387 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:00.640 we've been on this journey with is a guest. 388 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:01.599 Yeah. 389 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:05.079 And so there's certain people, and there's certain episodes and 390 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:08.240 certain milestones where it finally kicked in for me. You're like, 391 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:11.160 oh my god, I should have kicked in earlier that 392 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:12.720 I'm like, Okay, I think. 393 00:19:12.519 --> 00:19:13.880 We know what we're doing here. 394 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:15.839 And the amount of feedback I get from you guys, 395 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:19.400 the Great Love Debate audience, both when I was doing 396 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:23.279 the live shows and just communications about this podcast, it 397 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:26.400 was like, oh, there is more to hear than just 398 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:30.119 complaining about dating, because you know, the old tagline for 399 00:19:30.200 --> 00:19:34.359 this show was why is everyone still single? And to 400 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:37.279 move it from just a bitch fest, you know men's 401 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:40.920 socking girls are crazy and into something that was a 402 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:43.680 little bit I think, more substantive while still being fun. 403 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:46.799 That is the credit to you as a talented That's 404 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:49.519 why you have the Emmys. That is why you cast 405 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:53.200 every single show thing, and that's why you're like, let 406 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:56.200 me keep this wild dog on track here to have 407 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:01.279 conversations that had purpose versus just sharing dating disaster stories. 408 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:02.519 He was listening. 409 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:05.680 He was listening. I'm listening. So you know, we still 410 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:06.720 battle as a producer. 411 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:08.119 When I said what I want to do for the 412 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:10.440 five hundredth show, you had a completely different idea and 413 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:11.720 you're kind of mad about it. 414 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.160 I kind of tricked you into coming here. 415 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:15.319 Yes, yes you did. 416 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:16.559 What did you want to do? Well? 417 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:19.039 I thought that the five hundredth show was going to 418 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:23.720 be a round table with some of our currently favorite 419 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:27.960 you know, guests, personalities, people that have a lot to say, 420 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:31.920 you know, in twenty twenty five about relationships, whether it's 421 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:35.119 dating or being in a relationship or whatever. But I 422 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:36.880 thought that we would have a round table of some 423 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:37.759 people that wanted. 424 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:40.079 To chat about well, I lourd you to. I lured 425 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:42.200 you to a square table halfway up a mountain. 426 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:44.160 That's right with nobody else here, nobody else here. 427 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:45.000 What are we doing well? 428 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:48.720 I wanted to I want to say thank you, and uh, 429 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:52.000 you know I did a show a couple of years 430 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:54.640 ago where I talked about that that the five things 431 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:58.880 that I need to hear out of my partner are 432 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.799 good morning, good night, I'm sorry, I love you, and 433 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:09.039 thank you. And people are like, that's very simple and basic, 434 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:11.160 and I'm like, it's not as easy as you think. 435 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:13.440 So good morning, in the night and the good night 436 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:16.039 are about this is you know, I think of you now, 437 00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:17.440 and I think of you at the end, at the close, 438 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:18.119 in the beginning of the day. 439 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:18.880 That's why it matters. 440 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:22.880 I'm sorry matters a lot because it's really hard to 441 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:23.599 say I'm sorry. 442 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:25.319 I love you. Obviously I need because I don't think 443 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:26.400 I've heard a lot of that in my life. 444 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:29.720 But the thank you, the ability to express and accept 445 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:35.680 gratitude is so much, goes so long in a relationship, 446 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:39.039 and I wanted the audience to know that none of that. 447 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:41.000 You are the most important person in the great love 448 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:43.279 to beat. Even though you're not around anymore. None of 449 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:47.119 this happens, none of this dialogue, none of this tone. 450 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:49.359 You're very mysterious. You never give away anything of your 451 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:51.240 own personal life. But what you have able to do 452 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:54.960 is to create an environment where people could could share. 453 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:57.559 And that is something that you are a more talented 454 00:21:57.559 --> 00:21:59.559 producer than me, because I was unable to do that 455 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:01.920 before you came along, and I was just in it 456 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:06.240 for the laughs. So, you know, my favorite things to 457 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:08.359 do in these shows sometimes are the when we play 458 00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:10.039 worst Date, First Date at the end of the shows. 459 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:13.640 Those are always fun. But the things that I like 460 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:17.440 are the things that you know, we've done five hundred shows. 461 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:19.880 That's a lot of ways to slice this apple, and 462 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:24.279 we you know, often circle back to subjects that we 463 00:22:24.359 --> 00:22:26.279 haven't touched in a long long time. But over the 464 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:29.559 course of this ten year period, five hundred shows, we 465 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:33.400 have dealt with me too. We have dealt with blurring 466 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:38.119 of gender roles. We have dealt with the injection of 467 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:41.200 politics and a political environment into a dating culture. We 468 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:44.720 have dealt with COVID, We have dealt with all kinds 469 00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:46.799 of things, and we kind of had to navigate the 470 00:22:46.799 --> 00:22:49.160 subject matter. I mean, we're recording outside here now. I 471 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.960 remember a couple times back in Santa Monica when we 472 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:55.720 had the studio there during COVID, I had to record outside, yeah, 473 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:57.680 you know, and that especially in LA and sitting five 474 00:22:57.720 --> 00:22:59.960 feet apart, like I just didn't want to do any zooms, 475 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:02.480 like I wanted to still do this, And so we've 476 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:06.319 had to navigate the subject matter changing. We have had 477 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:11.359 to navigate technology, dating apps, getting into dating, you know. So, 478 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:13.480 like I said, our old tagline was why is everyone 479 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:18.279 still single? This show has evolved away from that a 480 00:23:18.359 --> 00:23:21.200 little bit, maybe because I've gotten older, but mostly because 481 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:24.519 the challenges of a single person and the challenges of 482 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:27.880 somebody who is any relationship were married are not that different. 483 00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:31.839 It really always comes down to confidence and communication and 484 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:35.240 trust and sharing and honesty and often willing to get 485 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:37.960 out of your comfort zone. And you forced me out 486 00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:40.799 of my comfort zone kicking and screaming like a mule 487 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:43.799 to do the podcast the way you thought I should 488 00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:45.960 do it, and you were right. 489 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:53.759 So thank you for that acknowledgement. I'm delighted to know 490 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:56.359 that you were listening, although just listening. 491 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:57.519 To oh, I don't know if I was listening. 492 00:23:57.559 --> 00:24:00.119 Somehow it kicked in well because if we think, but 493 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.160 like the way the way it all, the light bulb 494 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:05.680 went off, I thought it was my idea. I thought 495 00:24:05.680 --> 00:24:08.079 it was fruit of the Howie tree, which it may 496 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:12.400 have been, but I still I still remember when you 497 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:15.240 offered to rewrite something like my head almost fell off. 498 00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:16.279 I'm like, do you know who I am? 499 00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:16.920 Like? 500 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:19.240 Do you know what I do? And then you did 501 00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:19.920 rewrite something. 502 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:23.480 I'm like, oh, actually you're a pretty good writer, you know, 503 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:26.880 and technology, you know. 504 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:29.559 Bringing back to doctor Drew, I mean that was very 505 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:30.319 early episode. 506 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:32.200 He was the one who first said that the coming 507 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:36.440 storm was was Ai when in virtual dating and all that, 508 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:37.759 and he was way ahead of the game. 509 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:38.880 He's like, that's gonna come. 510 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:41.680 That's going to really throw a curveball into everything because 511 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:43.640 people are going to be a little too satisfied with 512 00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:47.720 themselves and their dates, putting on a helmet and just 513 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:49.160 talking to somebody virtually. 514 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:51.119 And so he was right on that. 515 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.680 You know, when we brought up John Gray, Mars Venus, 516 00:24:56.759 --> 00:24:58.440 mena from Mars, women from Venus? 517 00:24:58.640 --> 00:24:59.039 Is that right? 518 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:01.000 Mena from Mars yea? And he said to me, because 519 00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:03.720 he heard me say, women look for red flags and 520 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:06.519 men look for green lights. And he's like, Oh, that's good. 521 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:09.000 And I'm like, oh, thank you. You put that on 522 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:11.440 your book cover. That would be a good book title. 523 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:13.000 You know. 524 00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:15.039 And we've said we've dealt with that, you know, to 525 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:17.079 this day, twenty twenty five as we record this. 526 00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:17.279 That the. 527 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:20.759 Women have gotten harder than the men have gotten softer. 528 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:25.400 And that is an environment again, especially at our live shows, 529 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:27.559 because even though we're doing this podcast for most the 530 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:31.599 last ten years, still on the road, foreign countries, new cities, 531 00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:34.759 or ever, trying to really break down the landscape of 532 00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:39.799 the dating and the relationship ecosystem, and you know, certain 533 00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:42.599 cities were harder than others. 534 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:47.839 You know, and you really attacked it like or addressed 535 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:51.880 it like a journalist. I used to say a lot 536 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:54.119 of times that I felt like you were a love 537 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:57.000 journalist or the journalist of love or something like that 538 00:25:57.519 --> 00:26:01.720 along those lines, because you really want to know, really 539 00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:06.839 did want to hear people and understand what everyone was 540 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:12.960 going through, find common ground and find some solutions and 541 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.880 find like you say, confidence and communication and a way 542 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:20.480 forward where people could actually connect. And I think that's 543 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:24.160 where the big change really happened in the live show, 544 00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:28.880 and you know what, the podcast eventually became because love, 545 00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:33.240 dating and relationships can be is should be funny and 546 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:42.079 interesting and an adventure. And so to think that, you know, 547 00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:44.880 men and women have problems, to think that they don't 548 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.119 get along, and to really live in that space, it's 549 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:51.839 just not ever who this what this show was ever about. 550 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:55.000 This was all about the adventure of love with its 551 00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.359 ups and downs. Valley. 552 00:26:58.079 --> 00:26:59.839 You know, I don't believe there's anything as an expert 553 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.319 on this stuff, but I don't know who. It was 554 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:05.960 a time somebody called me an influencer on this, which 555 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:08.039 I am because I'm trying to push the dialogue forward 556 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:12.880 and you bring up the journalist thing. I'm looking to 557 00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:16.599 find answers. But two three years. 558 00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:19.799 Ago I got interviewed maybe it was longer for Nightline. 559 00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:20.839 Was that Debora Roberts. 560 00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:23.759 It was longer Debora Roberts, Okay. 561 00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:25.079 And she's following me around and she's asked me. 562 00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:28.240 A bunch of questions and then she goes, let me 563 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:30.279 ask you something, and I go what, And she goes, 564 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:33.559 is this whole thing really about you? And I never 565 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:35.440 thought about it that way? And that first my actuer 566 00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:37.480 was like, no, of course not. But maybe it is. 567 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:43.160 And maybe it's because I had always had such you know, publicly, 568 00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:44.680 and you know, I always said. 569 00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:46.440 Oh, I have a girlfriend, blah blah blah. 570 00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:48.880 But but inside there was something that I was not 571 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:53.559 getting the answers that I needed, and that I saw 572 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:54.359 that in other people. 573 00:27:54.720 --> 00:27:56.480 I had no idea. 574 00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.000 Some of the stuff that men were going through because 575 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:01.839 I thought I'm a guy, I understand guys. Even my 576 00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.480 book where this all started, How to Find Eleven sixty Seconds, 577 00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:06.559 I don't even push that book anymore because I don't 578 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:08.039 believe in half of it because I got the whole 579 00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:08.960 men's side of it wrong. 580 00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:10.880 And that's what I was just going to say. I mean, 581 00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.240 I really think that that that's what ignited the whole 582 00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:18.680 thing was maybe your own story, you know, your own feelings. 583 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.000 I think that's where it started. But this is definitely 584 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:23.079 not about Brian Howie. 585 00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.200 No, this show drove me. I was the vessel. 586 00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:27.880 I was the kind of Now, this show drove me 587 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:30.720 to therapy, of course, And it wasn't you know. It 588 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:33.160 was because I was hearing things and listening to people 589 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.119 experiencing things, and I'm like, I don't even know what 590 00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:37.960 they're talking about and that's a bad place to be 591 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:40.200 if you are the host and the public face of 592 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:46.640 the great Love debate. So anyway, we have learned so much, 593 00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:49.960 which I hope you guys have too. We have experienced 594 00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:50.720 so much. 595 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:52.640 This show. 596 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:54.559 Like I said, I have recorded this show in a 597 00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:56.839 bunch of countries and a bunch of places the podcast. 598 00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.519 I have performed the show in a bunch of places, 599 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.839 and a bunch of of comedy clubs and theaters and 600 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.799 music venues and everything. And you know, millions of people 601 00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:07.480 listening to the show, and hundreds of thousands have come 602 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.720 to the live show, and this show, this five hundred show, 603 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:12.440 is a chance for me to say thank you to 604 00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:16.240 the audience, but it's mostly a chance to say thank you. 605 00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.759 I love you to the time Emmy Wardmann and Keko, 606 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.200 like I said, her ability to see something in me 607 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:31.640 and believe in me in a way. 608 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:30.759 You know, that's the thing you say. 609 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.799 Like when I was challenging you as a producer, like 610 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:35.799 I'm a producer, you're a producer, fuck off. 611 00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:38.960 Maybe I didn't hear. 612 00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:41.400 Maybe I could have backed off a little bit if 613 00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:44.680 I knew, if I believed in me the way you 614 00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:47.200 believed in me, and so part of that dialogue and 615 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:49.640 part of me fighting back was me like, I need 616 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:53.400 to be louder, I need to be more vociferous, I 617 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:57.000 need to be more passionate about what I believe, because 618 00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:59.680 I wasn't as confident in me as you were. And 619 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.039 so I appreciated to no end what you've done to this. 620 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.440 I want the audience to appreciate. Maybe you're gonna have 621 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:09.559 a bunch of fans come up here in your mountain 622 00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:13.720 retreat here to track you down your wisdom. The amount 623 00:30:13.720 --> 00:30:15.240 of times you've been on the show and you always 624 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.200 had the money line or something funny to say, and 625 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:21.319 you say you're hey hey. And the fanfare when we 626 00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:22.720 used to break out the list, what did you what 627 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:23.480 was your music? 628 00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:24.319 Little fanfare? 629 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.240 All of that was such an important part of the 630 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:33.079 show in the early days, and it lasts through today. 631 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:38.160 Like there's no element of this great love debate or 632 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:42.880 the conversations that I have that are not directly related 633 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:44.680 to you and responsible for you. So I wanted the 634 00:30:44.680 --> 00:30:46.799 audience to know this. So sorry I tricked you on 635 00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:49.720 the roundtable. Sorry I lured you out of a semi 636 00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:53.359 retirement to come back and do this but I just 637 00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:53.960 wanted you to. 638 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.960 Know that well and stop saying that I'm not around anymore, 639 00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:59.000 because I will always be around for you. 640 00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.240 I will always be around for the Great Love Debate. 641 00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:06.559 So so maybe not in the proximity of you know, 642 00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:09.759 there in the studio studios. 643 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.880 The what do you call them? The lovely what do 644 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:13.319 you call them. 645 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.640 We're back in the very fine studio, very fine, very fine, 646 00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:19.480 very fine. Maybe, and I'm not in the very fine studios, 647 00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.720 but I am always, always, always here for you. 648 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:24.880 Yeah, I mean there are Like I said, there are 649 00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.319 a lot of people out there, and I appreciate every 650 00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:29.880 single one of you who have listened to every single 651 00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.000 episode of the show. I got an email from somebody 652 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.759 who climbed Mount Everest listening to Great Love Debate. I'm 653 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.400 surprised at how popular we are in Malta. I didn't 654 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:39.440 even know whatr Malta was very popular in a lot 655 00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.440 of countries, but I think there's a good chance. I 656 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:43.519 don't know if you've listened to all of them, but 657 00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:46.000 pretty close. And you've got a lot going on, and 658 00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:48.799 so I know that you don't always have time to 659 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:50.079 do that. And I know a lot of what I 660 00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:53.160 say makes you roll your eyes and it makes you think, 661 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:54.400 oh my god, if I was there. 662 00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.680 But no, we don't edit. I have done. 663 00:31:57.759 --> 00:31:59.839 This is a five hundred episode. We've never edited a 664 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.519 word I've said. We edited one thing I think that 665 00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:05.559 Caitlin Bristow from The Bachelor said because ABC got mad, 666 00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:07.759 remember that, like take that out. 667 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:09.000 I don't edit. 668 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:13.480 And the life on the high Wire and working without 669 00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.960 a net to do that, you're just like be authentic 670 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.559 and hopefully they'll you'll put some asses in the seats. 671 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:21.000 And you are doing that. 672 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:25.279 You are doing that. You are so authentic and your 673 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:30.599 advice and your thoughts are either right on and sometimes 674 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:33.880 they are, but even when they're not, they're very provocative. 675 00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:37.240 And I think talking about I think that they they're not. 676 00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:44.160 They help they are Listen when somebody, when somebody challenges you, 677 00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.880 it makes you think, Okay, if I don't if I 678 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.880 don't agree with them, then what do I agree with? 679 00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.680 If that's not there's what do I think? So it's 680 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:54.880 all helpful. 681 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.359 Brain, there's a chance I'm wrong, and a lot somebody 682 00:32:57.759 --> 00:32:59.720 has not somebody, a lot of people ask me this, 683 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:00.119 do you. 684 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:01.839 Believe every single thing you say on the podcast? 685 00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:04.720 And I'm like, I think I'm figuring it out when 686 00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.000 I say it, I'm figuring out do I believe this 687 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:07.599 is true? 688 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:09.119 Yeah, I'm running it up a flagpole. 689 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.400 And the response that I get from the audience like, 690 00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:14.720 this is a conversation that every person who listens to 691 00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.599 this podcast is a part of, or I want to 692 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:17.319 feel a part of. 693 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:19.079 So I'm not always right. 694 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:21.720 I'm like I said, my job is to raise the 695 00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:23.319 questions and find the answers. 696 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:25.519 We have a lot of the answers. 697 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:27.200 Because nobody has raised the questions more than we have 698 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:29.880 in front of more people in more places over the years. 699 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:33.640 I stand by that I stand about behind our collective data. 700 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.839 But some of the things that I say are rooted 701 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.160 from my personal experience and the things that I've learned. 702 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:44.440 I had no idea how angry certain men were. I 703 00:33:44.480 --> 00:33:49.519 had no idea how how much infidelity goes on in 704 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:51.839 married like I just didn't know. 705 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:53.319 I'm a little bit as naive. 706 00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:55.839 I didn't know how many people stay together on happily 707 00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:58.240 for a long time. I didn't know how many people 708 00:33:58.240 --> 00:33:59.599 were scared to go on a date. I didn't know 709 00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:04.400 how many people were believed in the words this is 710 00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:06.480 my type. And you know, if there's anything we preach 711 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:07.960 around here is to get rid of the words not 712 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:12.320 my type. If you're over thirty and you're still single, 713 00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:14.400 you have no type, and we will we will say 714 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:16.599 that to death. And so you know there's you know, 715 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:18.639 thirty or forty things that That was another thing that 716 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:20.360 I don't know if it was you or it was 717 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.840 Mike August who was also producing. I went on stage 718 00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:27.360 and I realized I thought I'd said, well, I said 719 00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:31.519 that at a show earlier, and I was scared to 720 00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:34.400 say something again because I thought they'd heard it before. 721 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:37.599 If somebody come to the show and he said, they 722 00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:40.480 want to hear living on a prayer, m h. And 723 00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:43.320 what it meant was, don't back off on it. If 724 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.800 it's these tenets, these mantras, these catchphrases, these slogans that 725 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.199 we've developed over the years on the show, don't be 726 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.760 afraid to say them. The women want the men to 727 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:54.840 try harder, the men want the women to make it easier. 728 00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.480 Those things we've developed over the course of the years. 729 00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.480 And you could see the look upeople's faces when they resonated. 730 00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:03.599 You know a lot of this was work shopping in 731 00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:05.400 the early days. A lot of this is work shopping. 732 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:09.480 Now when we come back episode one thousand, the five 733 00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:12.400 hundred is gonna seem qaint and who knows, we're gonna 734 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:13.599 be able to inject this right at. 735 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:14.599 Our audience's heads. 736 00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:17.519 But this is all a work in progress. We do 737 00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:19.199 not have all the answers, which is a good thing. 738 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.440 Because we had all the answers, this wouldn't be fun anymore, 739 00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:23.039 right for sure? 740 00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:23.679 For sure. 741 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.159 And and just so you know, I will put it 742 00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:29.440 out there that my next my next project is to 743 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:32.679 convince you to write all this stuff down. So if 744 00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.840 if he ever gives the announcement that there's a book 745 00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:38.880 in the works, please give him the encouragement for that is. 746 00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:39.960 I will be behind the line. 747 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:40.159 I know. 748 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:41.880 I get asked to do the book a lot. 749 00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:43.960 Probably the best idea that has come to me is 750 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.000 to do the state of the date and travel around 751 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:48.679 and do the fifty states, the. 752 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:50.679 You know, the daily landstape in fifty states. That's a 753 00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:51.320 good idea. 754 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.239 There's there's probably a way to transcribe five hundred podcasts, 755 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:54.719 edit it down. 756 00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:55.039 Do that. 757 00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:58.400 The reason I don't do it, and it's rare to 758 00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:00.840 turn down to publishing things I do get offered. That 759 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.159 is because I'm so scared by the time we hit 760 00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:05.840 print on the book that because the landscape. 761 00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:08.760 Changes so much that the direct it'll just be out 762 00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:09.119 of date. 763 00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:11.360 So the reason I like doing the podcast so much 764 00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:13.039 is I feel like this is the five hundredth chapter 765 00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:14.880 of a really long book, and every week I get 766 00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.719 to add a new chapter. That being said, there is 767 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:19.639 something about a book in hand, and there is something 768 00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.199 to be you know, thirty years from now, somebody can 769 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:24.000 pick up the book and see if it still stands up. 770 00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.119 I brought that up on an episode a couple episodes 771 00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:28.719 ago that I believe that the best dating book that's 772 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.800 ever been written. Sorry, John Gray is he's just not 773 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.920 that into you. And I believe that. You know, they 774 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:40.559 were comedians and Greg is a comedian, and yeah, and 775 00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:44.639 you know the reason why. And again Corolla is a comedian. 776 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:45.519 I guess you know. 777 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.559 I headline comedy clubs. I don't know if I'm a comedian, 778 00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:53.519 but I'm fucking funny. Comedians are social observers, and that's 779 00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:56.920 why they have a really good handle on the relationship stuff. 780 00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:03.159 And comedians are also often wounded hearts, and they try 781 00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:05.840 and find the laughter in sometimes tough situations, which is 782 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.480 part of what we're trying to do here. Like some 783 00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:10.599 of this stuff, and when we get into breakups and 784 00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:13.559 divorce and infidelity and all these other things, it is 785 00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:15.800 a painful business, and we try and always put a 786 00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:16.320 spin on it. 787 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:17.360 And laugh a lot. 788 00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:23.199 I said, somewhat embarrassedly or regretfully, maybe that I don't 789 00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.039 know if the show is as funny as it used 790 00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:26.719 to be. I don't think we laugh as much, But 791 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:28.920 it doesn't mean we're not doing better shows. You know, 792 00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:31.840 sometimes making people think is a lot more important than 793 00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:32.760 making people laugh. 794 00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:37.280 You taught me that. You taught me that, and I 795 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:38.280 trust you. Yeah. 796 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:41.559 I used to tell my actors and actresses in theater 797 00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:43.719 that all the time they're listening to you, that's important. 798 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:45.760 I didn't believe it myself until you told me that. 799 00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:50.400 So maybe you're just hitting the ping pong ball back 800 00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:51.800 to me. You held up the mirror and I did that. 801 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:53.800 You are a brilliant producer if you. 802 00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:54.159 Listen to me. 803 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:56.159 Yeah, no, I don't. 804 00:37:56.239 --> 00:38:00.480 To be honest, I didn't realize that I had packeded 805 00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:03.960 you or influenced you in that way, because my thing 806 00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:06.559 was always that we have to find the funny because 807 00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:09.920 once you start laughing, I mean, everybody loves to laugh. 808 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.400 And once you start laughing, you realize that things are 809 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:17.119 not as bleak or serious as as they seem. And 810 00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:19.599 once you get into that place, you're in a place 811 00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.519 of openness. And the thing that I love that I 812 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:26.679 contributed to this was the magic of maybe there's here's 813 00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:29.639 a magic and maybe and so and so. I just 814 00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:33.039 think our goal should always be to get to a 815 00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:36.719 place where we're saying, maybe, maybe I'll fall in love today, 816 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:38.599 or maybe I'm going to meet somebody that will be 817 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.159 a friend, or maybe I'll meet someone that i'll fix 818 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:42.440 up with one of my friends. 819 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:44.719 Maybe I'll meet someone that'll do business. 820 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:45.800 It's about possibility. 821 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:47.599 Maybe is about possibility. 822 00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:54.400 And because the Hollywood competitiveness in me still flares up 823 00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:56.920 with you, I'm so mad you came up with that. 824 00:38:56.920 --> 00:38:59.639 That sounds like something I would say. I feel like 825 00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:03.760 maybe I muttered it, No, set it under my breath. 826 00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.199 I'm sorry, that's mine, that's mine. 827 00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:09.239 There's magic in me, magic and maybe all right. 828 00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:12.800 Well there's magic in you. Two time Emmy one winning KKO, 829 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:14.840 there's magic in the show. There's a magic in our audience. 830 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:19.039 So we are incredibly thank you. We're incredibly grateful and 831 00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:20.239 proud of doing this. 832 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:22.920 Uh A fraction of a fraction of a fraction of 833 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:26.079 podcasts go on this long, and you know, we are 834 00:39:26.159 --> 00:39:27.199 kind of just getting started. 835 00:39:27.320 --> 00:39:29.719 And and since you're in the thanking mode, I have 836 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:31.880 to I have to mirror that right back to you, 837 00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.639 because if you did not keep on doing this, none 838 00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:38.119 of us would have all of this material, None of 839 00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:44.000 us would have these these insights and the and the 840 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:47.599 you know, the provocative side of you is also, like 841 00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:53.800 I said, very very helpful. And everybody, everybody wants to 842 00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:58.400 to understand all of this better and you help us 843 00:39:58.440 --> 00:39:58.679 with that. 844 00:39:58.719 --> 00:39:59.519 So thank you. 845 00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:00.320 Thank you for. 846 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:03.920 Continuing to do this, for not giving up, and for uh, 847 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:04.960 you know. 848 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:05.360 This show. 849 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.920 Thank you this show. This show really isn't about love. 850 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:12.159 This show is about hope. And we're selling hope around here. 851 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:15.840 And every time somebody tunes in or we want to 852 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:18.239 have these conversations or whatever, we're pushing people to a 853 00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:20.840 place of hope to either find it, do it better, 854 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:22.639 learn from it, grow from it, et cetera. 855 00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:26.000 Thank you, two time Ember Award winning Keiko. 856 00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:27.039 You're welcome thanks. 857 00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:29.000 They don't give Emmys for podcast, but if they did, 858 00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:30.119 this would be your third. 859 00:40:29.920 --> 00:40:32.840 Emmy as far as us. 860 00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:37.239 After five hundred episodes, your reviews still meet a lot 861 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.719 on the podcasting ecosystem, like share, follow, and like I 862 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.039 just said, please review this podcast on Apple click five stars, 863 00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:45.519 give us five stars. 864 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:46.000 Damn it? 865 00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:49.760 Yeah, please do it? Do it well, well it's on 866 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:50.239 your mind. 867 00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:52.039 Yeah, I'll hold, We'll hold. 868 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:55.639 Shoot us an email Great Love Debate at gmail dot 869 00:40:55.679 --> 00:41:02.199 com if you have questions, thoughts, uh, compliments, controversial things 870 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.119 to say, or if you want to invite up the 871 00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:06.440 mountain to Keko's mountaintop retreat. 872 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:08.440 She won't allow you to calm, but we'll see. 873 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:10.800 You know, Brian how he reads every single one of 874 00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:14.079 those emails himself, So don't think that he's got like 875 00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:18.519 a team of of you know, associates who are who 876 00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.480 are doing that for him. He loves reading those. So 877 00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.199 please do write to him. Please let me know what 878 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:27.440 you do and let him know what's on your mind. 879 00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:30.000 Yeah, there's a lot, so I don't know, but I read, 880 00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:33.159 you know, I don't know if it was Churchill, somebody 881 00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:38.440 read every single letter. Anyway, because as always for the 882 00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:40.920 five hundredth time at the Great Love Debate. 883 00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:42.719 We never stopped making love. 884 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:43.400 See you next time. 885 00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:52.280 The Great Love Debate. It's the Great Love. 886 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:57.559 Debate, degree love debate. It's a great love Debate.