Speaker 1: It's nice, I'm telling you easy. Boston's Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back everybody, Thanks Dan Watkins. Joining me
Speaker 2: now is Boston Harold columnist Joe Battenfeld. Joe, I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've ever been called an evil genius.
Speaker 3: I have actually not a genius, but evil.
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, no you.
Speaker 2: Why don't you explain generally the term for those who
Speaker 2: do not understand what the term October surprise is? And
Speaker 2: then I'm going to ask you about your column today,
Speaker 2: which I think laid out an evil ultimately October surprise.
Speaker 2: So what's an October surprise in the political context?
Speaker 3: In the political world, an October surprise is a unexpected event.
Speaker 3: At some times is kind of expected, but usually it's
Speaker 3: an unexpected event that happens in October weeks before the
Speaker 3: election that can turn around an election or influence the election,
Speaker 3: like somebody declaring a war maybe or ending a war
Speaker 3: the near the election, or choosing a different you know,
Speaker 3: vice presidential nominee, or some kind of turn of events
Speaker 3: that influences the election. The unexpected turn of events.
Speaker 2: Well, you have come up with the ultimate October surprise,
Speaker 2: and it's evil genius to its core. And I know
Speaker 2: that this is not something you're necessarily advocating, but.
Speaker 4: I do think it's something that do you think the
Speaker 4: Democrats would actually contemplate doing this?
Speaker 3: I mean, after what they did to Joe Biden the
Speaker 3: first time, I think, yeah, I think they would. I
Speaker 3: think they you know, they got him off the ticket,
Speaker 3: and now you know it's it's entirely possible that they
Speaker 3: want him to leave the White House before the election starts.
Speaker 2: So let me let me let me lay this scenario out,
Speaker 2: and then you can because it's your column. I you
Speaker 2: thought about it, but I get you get full credit.
Speaker 2: I wish I had just done this before and beat
Speaker 2: you to it, but you know you're brilliant and so okay,
Speaker 2: so let's assume. Oh, I don't know, sometime in early October,
Speaker 2: the polls start to shift, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: some of the battleground states now look like they're no
Speaker 2: longer battleground states. And the Trump for whatever reason, has
Speaker 2: started to make some advances and he might he's certainly
Speaker 2: is going to win. You know, two or three of
Speaker 2: these states they're off the board, and now it looks
Speaker 2: as if Pennsylvania. Matter of fact, I think over the weekend,
Speaker 2: there was a poll that showed him doing pretty well
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: New York Times reahly.
Speaker 4: Well in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Okay, so what happens in that situation? All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the I don't know, you know, the whole Harris campaign
Speaker 2: has maybe started to implode. Maybe somebody are looking at
Speaker 2: some of the statements that she made back in twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen and twenty nineteen, which is very inconsistent with what
Speaker 2: her positions are, And all of a sudden, the Democrats
Speaker 2: are worried. In a matter of fact, they're almost convinced
Speaker 2: that somehow, some way, Trump is going to win.
Speaker 4: What card could they play? You laid it out today
Speaker 4: brilliantly in the Herald. What card could they play?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: The card they could play is convincing somehow President Biden
Speaker 3: to step down from the Whitehouse entirely and elevate Colin
Speaker 3: Harris to the presidency. Very simply, it's going It would
Speaker 3: take obviously convincing Joe Biden to do it somehow, but
Speaker 3: he did. He was convinced or pressured enough to quit
Speaker 3: the race. So one more step, it's just one more step,
Speaker 3: and convincing him to leave the White House entirely into
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris's hands.
Speaker 2: So what would be the advantage to Kamala Harris. I mean,
Speaker 2: she would become the president maybe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she would be the de facto incumbent, and you know,
Speaker 3: she could do a lot of things. Obviously, there's some
Speaker 3: risk to it because she is in charge, and she
Speaker 3: would be saddled with any negative thing that happens. But
Speaker 3: they could engineer it so that she announces programs, you know,
Speaker 3: jobs programs, you know, something to do with the economy.
Speaker 3: I would think would be would be the big thing.
Speaker 2: And you know, I would also think that that just
Speaker 2: having the name president, I mean, everybody assumes that the
Speaker 2: next president, whoever it is, will be inaugurated next January
Speaker 2: after the election, and that president would become the forty
Speaker 2: seventh president of the United States. But if all of
Speaker 2: a sudden she's inaugurated, she's sworn in there generally is
Speaker 2: is an instinct of this country to rally around the president,
Speaker 2: particularly someone who's getting his or her legs, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, from underneath, you know, getting under them. And
Speaker 2: so there would be I think kind of a surgeon
Speaker 2: patriotism of you know, you know, let's give her a chance.
Speaker 2: She's the president. I think it would be brilliant. What
Speaker 2: about if they said that Joe Biden looked Joe, you
Speaker 2: were very clear that you, under no circumstances would pardon
Speaker 2: or commute your son Hunter. And you know that's going
Speaker 2: to be difficult for you to not do, you know,
Speaker 2: particularly if he's looking at a jail sentence and there
Speaker 2: will be some sentences imposed on him.
Speaker 4: After the election.
Speaker 2: We think that if you were to step aside, we
Speaker 2: might be able to convince your vice president in your
Speaker 2: stead to partner your son and kind of wrap this
Speaker 2: all up and allow you to ride off and at
Speaker 2: the sun set having kept your word, but making but
Speaker 2: helping guarantee that your son doesn't spend any time in prison.
Speaker 3: An inducement, it definitely could. I mean, Joe Biden has
Speaker 3: said many times how much he loves his son and
Speaker 3: cares about his son, and there's you know, obviously no
Speaker 3: father wants to see a son go to jail, and
Speaker 3: this would be a way to do it so that
Speaker 3: he wouldn't have to take responsibility for the pardon, and
Speaker 3: she would do it and take all the flack, whatever
Speaker 3: flack there was for it, and I don't think there
Speaker 3: would be too much flack among you know, the Democrats,
Speaker 3: that's for sure. And it might actually energize Democrats. And
Speaker 3: I think, you know, just all the fan fare of
Speaker 3: going into becoming president, making history, all those things I
Speaker 3: think play into You know, you can go to Joe
Speaker 3: Biden and say, look, you know you have to do
Speaker 3: this for the good of your country. Donald Trump is
Speaker 3: going to win this election unless you do this. You
Speaker 3: know what would he say? You might say, yes, I think.
Speaker 4: You make a powerful case on it. Let me do this, Joe.
Speaker 4: I hear you got the kiddles in the background making
Speaker 4: some noise there.
Speaker 3: That's my cat, actually your cat.
Speaker 2: Did you see the story in the New York Times today,
Speaker 2: by the way, about the cat that a family took
Speaker 2: the cat on a trip to guess was like the
Speaker 2: Grand Canyon somewhere like that, and somehow the cat ran away.
Speaker 2: This was in June, and the cat was found back
Speaker 2: and they were from California, back in California a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, not.
Speaker 4: Like in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: But somehow this cat transported himself from I guess it
Speaker 2: was Yellowstone, which is pretty close to the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 4: Eight hundred miles.
Speaker 6: Wow, can you I did not see that, nont.
Speaker 2: It's an article, a little blurb in the Globe today
Speaker 2: but also in the New York Times.
Speaker 4: Well let me do this. Let's see if people think.
Speaker 2: I do think that what you have posited today is
Speaker 2: extremely possible. And I don't want to say it's probable yet,
Speaker 2: but I think it's great that you put it out there,
Speaker 2: and you put it out in printed form, because if
Speaker 2: this were to happen, I would hope that the network
Speaker 2: reporters and the political analysts who would never have suggested
Speaker 2: something as evil as they.
Speaker 4: Will bet on your door say this is the guy
Speaker 4: that talked about it.
Speaker 2: Not in October, he talked about it on September twenty
Speaker 2: fourth in his column. So let me see if people
Speaker 2: want to talk to a Boston Herald columnist Joe Battenfeld
Speaker 2: six one, seven, two, five, four to ten thirty six
Speaker 2: one seven nine three one ten thirty, triple eight nine
Speaker 2: to two nine ten thirty.
Speaker 4: Joe will stick with us until ten thirty.
Speaker 2: So if you want to tell him, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: you're right, or if you want to tell him you
Speaker 2: think he's wrong, this is the time to go he'll
Speaker 2: be here with us for about fifteen more minutes. My
Speaker 2: name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside after Joe leaves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can weigh in on it as well. I think
Speaker 2: it's brilliant. I think if the Democrats did this, they
Speaker 2: would win the election.
Speaker 4: That's what I think.
Speaker 2: I don't know that they will have the guts to
Speaker 2: do it, but do I think they might have to
Speaker 2: do it. I think I think Joel might be onto something.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Night Side right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the window World.
Speaker 1: Nice thanks to WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 4: All Right, Joe Battenfeld Batton down the hatches. Here they come.
Speaker 4: Let's see what they.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to Bob in Somerville. Hey, Bob, you're
Speaker 2: with Joe Battenfell to the Boston Globe. He is an
Speaker 2: ill genius. What do you think of this idea?
Speaker 5: So? Are you a wind at r of case trying
Speaker 5: to get back on the New York ballot today? No,
Speaker 5: I'm not Okay. He's trying to put his name back
Speaker 5: on the ballot in New York, and I'm wondering if
Speaker 5: he if he's if he's thinking like this, He's only
Speaker 5: suspended his campaign, which means he can come back at it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that, and maybe we'll talk about that.
Speaker 5: Well, they had the meeting tonight at eight o'clock. They
Speaker 5: have a Tuesday night meeting across the country every night,
Speaker 5: and apparently the I'm one of the ones who wants
Speaker 5: to go with Trump from Kennedy. Okay, but apparently only
Speaker 5: there's about seventy to eighty percent in Massachusetts Kennedy people
Speaker 5: that don't want to go with Trump. And I don't
Speaker 5: know about the other states, but by know about Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: So yeah, well, how many can it? Looks?
Speaker 2: Again, I got Joe Badenfeld here, and I'd like to
Speaker 2: kind of stick with what he's talking about and we
Speaker 2: can talk about I don't know how many people in
Speaker 2: Massachusetts were willing to vote for Kennedy.
Speaker 4: Win Trump was on the ballot. Do you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying?
Speaker 5: I mean, I yeah, but I mean, well, do you
Speaker 5: think this will help Harris by being the president? Harris?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I I don't think it will. Well, again,
Speaker 2: I'm a little confused if you're telling me that RFK
Speaker 2: wants his name back on the ballot in New York.
Speaker 2: He is Okay, might that help Trump with.
Speaker 5: The Supreme Court there for an emergency hearing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm look, you're you're, you're, you're off topic,
Speaker 2: which is fine.
Speaker 5: Well, he's literally so I don't know, okay, which is literally.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to tell you that I think that
Speaker 2: that r f K had him. I think r FK
Speaker 2: fought to get himself off the ballot.
Speaker 5: Correct. And now if he's off Massachusetts ballot.
Speaker 2: Well, what are you talking to? Massachusetts and New York?
Speaker 2: Which one you want to talk?
Speaker 5: You know, I'm saying he's off certain the states. He's
Speaker 5: off of Massachusetts officially, according to Bill Gallvin. Well, there's
Speaker 5: six people on the presidential let me do this.
Speaker 4: Let's pick this up some other night. I don't want
Speaker 4: to be ignoring my guest. It's a step up.
Speaker 2: I do appreciate the the questions. Okay, thanks very much.
Speaker 2: Did you want to weigh in on that, Joe, I'm
Speaker 2: unfamiliar with what he's talking about.
Speaker 3: Well, I believe r FK Junior has said that he
Speaker 3: would be on the ballot in states that aren't swing
Speaker 3: states and states that are swing states. He's taking his
Speaker 3: name off the ballot. New York is not a swing
Speaker 3: state exactly.
Speaker 2: Nor is Massachusetts, so I don't know. Again, Bob was
Speaker 2: kind of excited about that, and that's okay. Let me
Speaker 2: go to Paul in Plymouth. Paul, bring us back to
Speaker 2: the issue at hand. Do you think that the Democrats,
Speaker 2: in a moment of desperation would actually do what Joe
Speaker 2: Battenfeld suggests could be done.
Speaker 7: Well, they might do that, Dan, but you had mentioned,
Speaker 7: you know, for a reward for the president to step down,
Speaker 7: they would pardon Hunter to Biden.
Speaker 5: And my only.
Speaker 7: All I could think of is they would have to
Speaker 7: consider President Ford pardoning President Nixon. That didn't work out
Speaker 7: too well in that circumstance, So that's.
Speaker 2: All I Well, the Ford situation was a little bit different.
Speaker 2: Ford pardon Nixon very quickly. Nixon resigned on August eighth,
Speaker 2: and I think that within three weeks Ford pardoned him,
Speaker 2: and I think some people might have looked at it
Speaker 2: initially as letting Nixon off the hook. I voted for
Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter in nineteen seventy six because I was I
Speaker 2: was disappointed that Ford would do that. I was a
Speaker 2: young lawyer and right out of law school, and I
Speaker 2: felt that everybody should be treated the same equally, and
Speaker 2: that Nixon should have stood trial for crimes that he
Speaker 2: was able to avoid being impeached over. However, well, however,
Speaker 2: I now look at it quite differently, and I think
Speaker 2: Ford did actually what the right was the right thing
Speaker 2: for the country, Okay in my opinion, But in terms
Speaker 2: of Biden, every case is different. And Joe, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think it would be a heck of an inducement
Speaker 2: to Biden to be able to say, mister President, you
Speaker 2: said no pardon. You're not going to pardon your son
Speaker 2: if you don't allow help president. You know Vice President Harris,
Speaker 2: she's willing to pardon your son. I could see that scenario.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Joe, Yeah, that would be a
Speaker 3: huge inducement for him to step down. I think, you know,
Speaker 3: seeing as what a family man he is in they
Speaker 3: talked about his son constantly, you know how much she
Speaker 3: loves him. I think, you know, it would be a
Speaker 3: huge inducement for for Joe Biden. For Kamala Harris to say, look, look,
Speaker 3: I'm willing to do it. I'm willing to take the
Speaker 3: heat for it and pardon your son and spare him
Speaker 3: from jail. That would that. I think you're you're onto something, Dan, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just that he has said he would
Speaker 2: not pardon, he would not commute, right, we like any president.
Speaker 2: I mean, if if Trump were to win, now, I
Speaker 2: don't know I Trump. I think that Trump, you know,
Speaker 2: Trump is unpredictable. He might if he got in office,
Speaker 2: he might say, Okay, let's pardon Hunter Biden. And that
Speaker 2: might be seen by by some as a magnificence, magnificent
Speaker 2: effort to reunite the country. I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: wouldn't trust that if I was Joe Biden. What what's
Speaker 2: your thought on that? Paul, Let's come to the to
Speaker 2: the day that we're dealing with now. It didn't work
Speaker 2: out well for Ford. You're right, but also the Republicans
Speaker 2: had been in office for eight years and it was
Speaker 2: kind of time for a change, and Jimmy Carter represented
Speaker 2: a new new face.
Speaker 4: And I think, I don't know, I just think this
Speaker 4: is a little different. You're not buying what what we
Speaker 4: what we're what we're talking about is what I'm hearing
Speaker 4: you say.
Speaker 7: No, I think the country has a has a long
Speaker 7: memory and people are just going to think back and say, well,
Speaker 7: look what you know, this is what Jerry Ford did
Speaker 7: the rich even though I like both those guys, and
Speaker 7: but they say, this is what Jerry Nick and.
Speaker 4: What he did for Richard. Vote accordingly. But he did,
Speaker 4: he helped, he avoided Richard Nixon never had to go
Speaker 4: to trial. So he did.
Speaker 2: He did a favor for Richard Nixon. And you're right
Speaker 2: it might have cost him some votes in nineteen seventy six,
Speaker 2: but it was.
Speaker 3: A very unpopular decision at the time, as I recall,
Speaker 3: very unpopular.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was upset about it, and they called I
Speaker 2: carry that with me. And I also thought Carter represented
Speaker 2: a fresh face, and I had met him on the
Speaker 2: campaign trail as a young reporter, and I thought he
Speaker 2: was a very decent guy, and I voted for him.
Speaker 7: I would you say, uh, you know, on that level,
Speaker 7: I think all those guys back then were pretty decent guys.
Speaker 7: And you know, if you watch Richard Nixon, some of
Speaker 7: these old clips I've been watching lately with his uh
Speaker 7: they've been in David Frost and so on, he was
Speaker 7: a really brilliant man and I think history will prove him,
Speaker 7: you know, could be one of the great UH presidents
Speaker 7: as far as being a statesman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the state of the state of
Speaker 2: resignation and impeachment is not no matter how many years,
Speaker 2: it's not gonna, in my opinion, help him.
Speaker 4: Uh. Thanks, thanks for getting us back on topic, Paul.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Luciana in Pennsylvania here and see
Speaker 2: who can wrap it up here. Louciano, thank you for
Speaker 2: calling in. What do you think you think the Democrats
Speaker 2: might want to try that gambit?
Speaker 8: Let's keep it real, Dan, I was born in Philadelphia.
Speaker 8: Joe Biden does not trust Pamela Harris, does not trust
Speaker 8: and Obama. No, he's not gonna jeopardize his son going
Speaker 8: to jail. He's going to stay in. He's gonna be pressured.
Speaker 8: Modern Democratic Party is probably what the mister Gavin said.
Speaker 8: He's going to try to pull that on Joe Biden.
Speaker 8: But Joe Biden has his only son. He's not gonna
Speaker 8: He's gonna say the hell with the help with the people,
Speaker 8: what they think about me. I'm gonna partner my son.
Speaker 8: He's my last son. My last son died. And no,
Speaker 8: he doesn't trust the Obama and Harris. He doesn't trust
Speaker 8: a modern day.
Speaker 2: Louiano, you think He's going to then go back if
Speaker 2: if Trump is elected, that he's going to go back
Speaker 2: on his word and either commute Hunter Biden's sentence, whatever
Speaker 2: it is, or pardon him. You think that he's going
Speaker 2: to stand in front of the American people and say,
Speaker 2: I told you I wouldn't do it, but I'm going.
Speaker 8: To do it extremely easy. Blood a stick in the water.
Speaker 8: He has to live with himself. He doesn't compare to
Speaker 8: his son going to jail and my and the citizens
Speaker 8: of America is no comparison. It's not comparing a penny
Speaker 8: to a trillion dollars. Dank.
Speaker 2: Okay, you you made a very strong argument, as you
Speaker 2: always do.
Speaker 4: Thanks Luciano. I appreciate your goal. Joe good night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean I don't. I don't totally trust
Speaker 3: Joe Biden either when he says he's not going to
Speaker 3: pardon his son. I wouldn't totally trust that.
Speaker 2: I agree, But I think what Luciana was saying was
Speaker 2: that Joe Biden is not would not trust them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's something to that. I mean, they don't. It's true.
Speaker 3: I mean they did kind of, you know, force him
Speaker 3: out of there. So I think he'll always remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure how much he's remembering right now
Speaker 2: to you. I hate to be mean, but hey, Joe,
Speaker 2: as always, thanks man, I'm really frea call him in
Speaker 2: the I don't know that it's been written about anywhere
Speaker 2: else in any in any any column anywhere.
Speaker 3: And we'll if the rumors start trickling out soon, well,
Speaker 3: I know, I.
Speaker 4: Think I think you beat everybody on it, and I
Speaker 4: congratulate you on that.
Speaker 2: And I think that again, if the race all of
Speaker 2: a sudden starts to look tough for Harris, I think
Speaker 2: this becomes a greater possibility because yeah, I agree, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, the Democrats really don't like Donald Trump and
Speaker 2: they don't trust him. There's no sort of collegiality that
Speaker 2: used to exist between the Democrats and Republicans. They don't
Speaker 2: like Trump, and I could see this conceivable.
Speaker 3: And they're desperate. They're desperate. They'll do anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and and we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask people to fill up the lines
Speaker 2: here and tell me what they think, because I think
Speaker 2: it's a great question. It's a great question. Your post, Thanks,
Speaker 2: Joe is always You're the best. Thanks man, Talk to
Speaker 2: you soon. Joe Batten felt great columnists for the Boston Herald.
Speaker 4: Thanks Joe. Okay, when we come back, I want to
Speaker 4: hear from you. It's you and me. Okay.
Speaker 2: I think that Joe Battenfeld's peace in the Herald today.
Speaker 2: I think it's very credible. I'm not going to bet
Speaker 2: on it with you, but I could see the Democrats saying, look,
Speaker 2: this is too important an election for them to lose,
Speaker 2: for us, for the Democrats to lose, and that we
Speaker 2: are not only we need to elect the vice president,
Speaker 2: but we need to make sure that Donald Trump isn't elected.
Speaker 2: So I want to hear from you. Six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty triple eight nine two nine ten thirty
Speaker 2: six one seven nine three to one ten thirty.
Speaker 4: My name is Danry. This is Night Side looking by
Speaker 4: my political analyst.
Speaker 2: If you like politics, I'd love to talk about this
Speaker 2: for a while, okay, But the only way I can
Speaker 2: talk about it is if you want to express an opinion,
Speaker 2: and that's what this show is all about. Express your opinions.
Speaker 2: Let's light those phone lines up. Could the Democrats at
Speaker 2: the last minute, meaning October fifteenth or so, convinced Joe
Speaker 2: Biden that it's in the interest of the Democratic Party
Speaker 2: and the country to help Kamala Harris and give her
Speaker 2: the White House for him to resign, to surrender the office,
Speaker 2: so she would be the incumbent president beginning on October
Speaker 2: twentieth and would serve out his term. But that would
Speaker 2: give her that final push to get past Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: That's that that thought, I'm guarant I guarantee you has
Speaker 2: crossed the mind of Democrats. And if you're a Democrat,
Speaker 2: I'd love to know, or if you're someone who supports
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, would that appeal to you.
Speaker 4: Look, politics all is fear, in love, war and politics.
Speaker 4: Back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 5: It's Nightside with.
Speaker 1: Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 4: All Right, Dan Watkins, thank you very much. We are
Speaker 4: talking politics.
Speaker 2: And again, I know a lot of you out there say, hey,
Speaker 2: you got to talk more politics. I'm I'm talking potential
Speaker 2: October surprise. I think all of you know that every candidate,
Speaker 2: particularly a presidential candidate, the one thing that they fear most.
Speaker 2: Maybe Donald Trump fears most the assassins who seemed to
Speaker 2: be out after him. Not to make light of it,
Speaker 2: but I do think that they fear an October surprise.
Speaker 2: So they've run for this office for two years, three years,
Speaker 2: four years, who knows, maybe their entire political career, and
Speaker 2: something could happen that could turn the electorate on his ear.
Speaker 2: So the theory that Joe Batten fell from The Herald
Speaker 2: proposed was that maybe the Democrats, if they felt the
Speaker 2: election was slipping away from Kamala Harris, that maybe maybe
Speaker 2: they would turn around at some point and say, Okay,
Speaker 2: President Biden, you have one other sacrifice you need to make,
Speaker 2: and that is to resign so that the vice president
Speaker 2: can become president and she can run as an incumbent.
Speaker 4: Now there's only a couple of weeks left in the election.
Speaker 4: She'll be inaugurated, she will be the forty seventh president
Speaker 4: of the United States. She will serve out.
Speaker 2: Your term, but hopefully she'll be real in effect re elected.
Speaker 2: That would be the pisch the Democrats would make. Do
Speaker 2: you think the Democrats would resort to that?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's where you come in. It's a mystery. No one
Speaker 2: knows the answer. For sure, I'd love to know what
Speaker 2: you think the process and my question, my second question
Speaker 2: is do you think there are some Democratic leaders politicians,
Speaker 2: not elected people, but the people behind the scenes who
Speaker 2: have at least thought about this as a possibility. Warren
Speaker 2: in Fall River, Warren, thanks for checking in. What do
Speaker 2: you think are we in never never Land here.
Speaker 9: Or do you think, yeah, we've been to never never
Speaker 9: Land for a while.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I don't put anything past Democrats at all. I mean,
Speaker 9: look at what they have tried to do to Trump
Speaker 9: so far, with all the impeachments, with all these court
Speaker 9: cases that seem that have a political fin to them,
Speaker 9: the assassination attempts. Possibly, I mean, I'm not well, definitely,
Speaker 9: I want.
Speaker 2: To hold you there for a second, okay, because I
Speaker 2: know I think what you're trying to say. But I
Speaker 2: don't think the Democrats can be blamed. I think these
Speaker 2: are two looney tunes. I think that the kid in
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania and the guy in Florida are truly looney tunes.
Speaker 2: So do I think that the language that's been used
Speaker 2: towards Trump has maybe contributed to the atmospherics. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: call somebody a fascist and the next Hitler and things
Speaker 2: like that, But I kind of imagine that any legitimate
Speaker 2: Democrat would wish that on anyone.
Speaker 9: No, but it's just the fact that they have tried
Speaker 9: everything in the kitchen sink to try to try to
Speaker 9: get this guy out.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't think they like him. I mean, I
Speaker 4: think they see him.
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm not saying I'm not saying definitely that
Speaker 9: it is, but I can't really rule it out either.
Speaker 4: So no, no, we'll all, I mean, time will tell all.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, is we woke up, Well, we didn't
Speaker 2: wake up because it was Sunday. The was it Sunday
Speaker 2: the twenty first of July. I forget which dated was
Speaker 2: President former President Trump had been shot at on July thirteenth,
Speaker 2: you know, unlucky day or a lucky day that he survived. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then the fault not the next day, but a
Speaker 2: week from the next day. All of a sudden, at
Speaker 2: two o'clock in the afternoon, it came out that Joe
Speaker 2: Biden had decided to drop out of the race.
Speaker 4: It was just done. Now. Biden had said, no, I'm
Speaker 4: saying in, I'm staying in.
Speaker 2: And God if God Almighty came down and told me, Well,
Speaker 2: God Almighty that came down and told him, because he got.
Speaker 9: Out, and yeah, you know, I mean you know, so, yeah,
Speaker 9: I'll we tracked the assassination attempts. Yeah, they have tried everything.
Speaker 9: They've tried everything in the kitchen sink to try to
Speaker 9: get Trump. And if you if you were back to
Speaker 9: the to the last election, all right, anyone that was
Speaker 9: wearing Trump gear, you know, they were in fear of
Speaker 9: getting attacked.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, there's too much of that, Absolutely.
Speaker 9: Too much of that. And so I've never seen so
Speaker 9: much hatred towards one person. Then the Democrats towards Trump,
Speaker 9: and well, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I think I'm not no, no, no, but I'll tell
Speaker 2: you if I can just say this, he is not
Speaker 2: a traditional Republican, Okay. And I think that the Democrats
Speaker 2: who are in the business of getting elected are frustrated
Speaker 2: that this guy came out of nowhere and beat Hillary
Speaker 2: Clinton despite all of the crazy stuff he had said,
Speaker 2: you know, the Billy Bush tape, and he still won.
Speaker 4: And I think the Democrats look at him and say,
Speaker 4: how is that possible? You know?
Speaker 2: And I think that they don't respect him in any way,
Speaker 2: shape or form.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but I think it is possible. The only reason
Speaker 9: why it is possible is because of his four years,
Speaker 9: the economy was good, and we had no wars, and
Speaker 9: the border was getting under control. And those are things
Speaker 9: that are very important to the voter.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and that is and.
Speaker 6: I think that he was the only thing that he well.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what else. Okay, he's indefatigable. You see
Speaker 2: him everywhere. He's he he's out there. He outworked Hillary
Speaker 2: Clinton in twenty sixteen. And again I don't think I
Speaker 2: think that he was he was so disliked. I don't
Speaker 2: think Joe Biden was elected in twenty twenty. I think
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump was unelected, meaning I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people went to the polls and said, we got
Speaker 2: to get him out of here. Now, the tough years
Speaker 2: we've had with Biden, Harris has given him an opportunity,
Speaker 2: a real opportunity to win in November. And that's why
Speaker 2: I'm saying it's possible at least, and Joe Battenfell is
Speaker 2: saying that it's possible. This could be the ultimate October surprise.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 10: Oh.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, But I was going to say with Biden, I
Speaker 9: think that decision was made right after New Hampshire in
Speaker 9: the last election. Oh, he during the primaries. I think that,
Speaker 9: you know, the decision to elect Biden came fourth right after.
Speaker 2: Oh, in twenty twenty you're talking about, right, Yeah, you're
Speaker 2: absolutely right. Look, he finished what fourth or fifth in
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. He went to South Carolina, where Jim Clybourne
Speaker 2: was his best advocate. He went South Carolina, and if
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, like one or two nights later, you.
Speaker 9: Had everyone who to jed right.
Speaker 2: Senator Kloba har from Minnesota. I think they showed up
Speaker 2: and it was all. It was all over. I've never
Speaker 2: seen a primary like that, and of course this time
Speaker 2: it kind of went the other way. I think that
Speaker 2: there are powerful people within the Democratic Party who decide.
Speaker 2: They made a decision and they said, look, the best
Speaker 2: guy to run against. They do all this stuff, they
Speaker 2: test stuff, they have these focus groups, and they probably
Speaker 2: said the best guy in twenty twenty to beat Donald
Speaker 2: Trump is Uncle Joe, you know, a guy who everybody knows,
Speaker 2: nobody dislikes. And they figured it out. And now they're
Speaker 2: still trying to figure out how do they beat Trump
Speaker 2: this year? They thought to do it was to get
Speaker 2: rid of Biden. We'll see.
Speaker 4: Warren loved to call man. Thank you so much. I
Speaker 4: really appreciated it.
Speaker 9: Thank you, no problem, good.
Speaker 4: Night, all right.
Speaker 2: So now it's your turn. The only lines that are
Speaker 2: open are six one, seven, nine, three, one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: I've got Frank, John and Greg they're coming up and
Speaker 2: we've got room for you. Six one seven, six one seven,
Speaker 2: nine three one ten thirty. Those are the two lines
Speaker 2: that are open. We're going to talk about this. I'd
Speaker 2: like to talk about it for the rest of the
Speaker 2: night because I guarantee you that in there no longer
Speaker 2: smoke filled rooms, but in the rooms where Democratic activists
Speaker 2: and are working right now, they are looking at every possibility.
Speaker 2: And if they think that Vice President Harris can win,
Speaker 2: they're gonna be fine. But nobody wants to be responsible
Speaker 2: for Donald Trump. If you're a Democratic leader for Donald
Speaker 2: Trump winning over Vice President Harris, and she may need
Speaker 2: a little help in the next in the next couple
Speaker 2: of weeks, I'm telling you, Joe Battenfeld's column is not
Speaker 2: far from reality.
Speaker 4: You can agree of this, Let's have at it back
Speaker 4: after this on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on w b Z News Radio.
Speaker 2: In other word, just as a bit of a heads up,
Speaker 2: Thursday night, we will have an authorized yet unauthorized biographer
Speaker 2: of Alan Derschwitz Legal gladiator Solomon Schmidt, an amazing author.
Speaker 2: I'll introduce you to him at ten o'clock on Thursday night.
Speaker 2: And also in terms of what's upcoming on Nightside, we
Speaker 2: will carry in its entirety the vice presidential debate between J. D.
Speaker 2: Vince and Tim Waltz next Tuesday at nine o'clock. Let's
Speaker 2: go next to my friend Frank in Northbridge.
Speaker 4: Frank, you're next on Nightside. Go right ahead.
Speaker 5: Hi.
Speaker 10: I listened to.
Speaker 11: Your interview with the guy from the Herald, and I, yeah,
Speaker 11: I just didn't that's it seems like such a stretch
Speaker 11: and so unnecessary.
Speaker 12: I don't see that. But I do agree that that
Speaker 12: there does seem to be a feeling that there's going
Speaker 12: to be something. In fact, I was just listening to
Speaker 12: an interview with Carville and he was saying that he
Speaker 12: has this feeling, you know, with the way everything's gone
Speaker 12: so far, that there's one more surprise to come along.
Speaker 12: And I have that feeling too, but I think it's
Speaker 12: it's way bigger than what he what your guess was suggesting, Well, okay,
Speaker 12: I don't.
Speaker 2: I kind of imagine a bigger surprise. Can you imagine
Speaker 2: if all of a sudden well, yeah, I mean, for instance,
Speaker 2: it would be probably okay, give me a surprise in
Speaker 2: your opinion, that might be bigger than that.
Speaker 13: I'd be curious if if, say, for example, behind the scenes,
Speaker 13: is this thing's playing out, and you know, she's right now,
Speaker 13: she's at forty nine percent, he's had forty four, and
Speaker 13: she's her lead is growing, and that little.
Speaker 2: In that case, in that case, she's gonna she's gonna
Speaker 2: breathe the victory.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 10: What I'm saying though, in looking at poles like that
Speaker 10: and seeing the way this whole thing is going, I
Speaker 10: wouldn't be at all surprised if behind the scenes he's
Speaker 10: in the process of negotiating dropping out, provided they can
Speaker 10: guarantee that these cases against him are going to go away.
Speaker 2: Look, come on, what are you smoking tonight, Frank? That's insane.
Speaker 2: You think that Donald Trump?
Speaker 10: It would be it would be a big surprise.
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, I think that. Yeah, Frank, I got
Speaker 2: to tell you something. I don't like to say, you're
Speaker 2: being ridiculous, But it was like someone said to me,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure if it was you. Oh, we
Speaker 2: don't know if Donald Trump will show up at the debate. Look,
Speaker 2: this guy is in it to win it, whether you
Speaker 2: like him or not. Don't underestimate him, Frank.
Speaker 10: If he's in it to win it to avoid prison,
Speaker 10: I'm saying. So what I'm saying is that he can
Speaker 10: be guaranteed that that's off the table, you.
Speaker 4: Know, Frank, do me a favor.
Speaker 2: Whatever you're smoking, you know, no layoff, lay off, because
Speaker 2: there's not.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 4: Frank.
Speaker 2: Here's what I want to If Donald Trump drops out
Speaker 2: between now an election day, okay, I want you to
Speaker 2: call me back, and I know you will. I know
Speaker 2: you will, and I will apologize to you profusely, and
Speaker 2: I will identify you as the guy who predicted that
Speaker 2: Donald Trump was gonna walk out. Now they're gonna gonna
Speaker 2: drop out now, Frank. If he doesn't drop out, okay,
Speaker 2: if he doesn't drop out, are you gonna call me
Speaker 2: back and say, Dan, I was wrong?
Speaker 4: Of course not.
Speaker 10: Well, I'm saying that.
Speaker 12: Something big when they say something big, But you.
Speaker 2: Have Frank, I'm not gonna waste my time with you.
Speaker 2: I told you that I will be more than happy
Speaker 2: to give you all the credit in the world. Okay,
Speaker 2: but you can't have it both ways, Frank, So please
Speaker 2: tell me that when Donald Trump doesn't drop out, you
Speaker 2: will call me back and say, Dan, you were right.
Speaker 2: My idea and my proposal was just flat silly. Can
Speaker 2: you bring yourself to say that?
Speaker 4: Or no? Probably not. Have a great night, John and
Speaker 4: Needham go ahead, John next on nightside.
Speaker 6: Oh hey, Dave, Dan, I'm sorry, Dan, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Are you Jim or John? Who are you Jim
Speaker 4: or John?
Speaker 6: I'm John?
Speaker 4: Good John, Well, I'm Dan. Now we got that squared away.
Speaker 4: What's on your mind?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was. My mind was seeking day anyway. No,
Speaker 6: I just yeah, no, I'm it's I know this, I
Speaker 6: just need it's just not quite on topic. But you
Speaker 6: were talking about Jimmy Carter earlier, and you might be awareness,
Speaker 6: but I guess they just wanted to make her mind
Speaker 6: at everyone. Exactly one week from the day he will
Speaker 6: be turning one hundred years old.
Speaker 2: I forgot that he's still in hospice. He's still alive.
Speaker 2: God love him. One of the most decent politicians who
Speaker 2: I haven't met. I spent some time with him in
Speaker 2: New Hampshire, in Massachusetts, in Rhode Island, and also at
Speaker 2: his home in Plains, Georgia. A very decent human being,
Speaker 2: not the greatest president in history, but a very decent
Speaker 2: human being.
Speaker 6: Well maybe not, but yeah, I mean he did so
Speaker 6: much after his presidency with tabitat and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's what a decent human being. That's what
Speaker 2: makes him a decent human being. You know his record.
Speaker 2: You know, he inherited, by the way, some difficult circumstances.
Speaker 2: Obviously our military was in disrepair, the hostage crisis that occurred. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he was victimized a little bit.
Speaker 4: He was not. He did not have a lot of
Speaker 4: good luck. But a very decent human being.
Speaker 2: But well, John, Look, John, thank you up against I
Speaker 2: shouldn't have taken you a bit quickly, but I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I think you wanted to make that point, and you
Speaker 2: made it well, and so we'll have to acknowledge that.
Speaker 6: Next week he'll be the oldest living president ever.
Speaker 2: I guess I think he'll also be the only president
Speaker 2: to reach the century mark.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no other president that he even came close in
Speaker 2: my opinion. Thank you, John, Thank you very much. Talk
Speaker 2: to you soon. Than's again, have a great night. We're
Speaker 2: going to stick with this into the next hour light.
Speaker 2: These phone lines up. I am somewhat surprised that this
Speaker 2: is not a topic that people are rising to. I
Speaker 2: think it is a legitimate possibility. Unlike Frank, I'm not
Speaker 2: positing something that is in never never Land. This is
Speaker 2: something that I think conceivably could happen. I will explain
Speaker 2: on the other side of the news