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Speaker 1: We got Jay Dyer, we got Robert Taylor.

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Speaker 2: And they will be engaging in a debate that has

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a little bit of capitalism, has a little bit of communism,

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but a lot of Masonic influence apparently. I want to

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introduce our guys first, and then we'll talk about how

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this debate came to be.

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Speaker 1: Robert, how you doing.

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Speaker 3: All well?

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Speaker 1: All right? So you have a YouTube channel? Correct? Praxeology?

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Speaker 3: I have a small YouTube channel. Yeah, you can find

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it under practice girl.

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool? And what's that about?

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Speaker 4: Really?

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Speaker 3: We teach the science of human action. It's a science

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called praxeology.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. And our man Jay Dyer, how you doing, Jay

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doing great? How are you guys doing well?

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Speaker 2: And most of you guys know Jay is the author

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of Esoteric Hollywood. I got it right here. Let's pull

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up the book real quick. This is one of my faves.

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I really enjoyed Jay's book. Not only that, his girlfriend

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Jamie has an incredible series that I'm a huge fan

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of called Weird Stuff Magazine.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: I got the third one at my place, but here

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are two of them. This is really really interesting stuff.

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It's similar to Esoteric Hollywood. All the cool stuff that

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you want to know. So let's get into it. How

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did this start? Jay favorited a tweet that's had a

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list of fake enemies. One of these fake enemies was communism.

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And now Robert sees this tweet that Jay favorite it,

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and he called him a communist.

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Speaker 1: And Jay disagrees with that.

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Speaker 2: Jay believes that communism sucks, but he really believes that

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there is a Masonic and by that we mean Freemason

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influence in both communism and capitalism. So Jay, can you

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tell us who are the Freemasons, what are their goals

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and what role do they play influencing these economic systems.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Freemasonry is a secret society that comes out of

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the Late Middle Ages that formed actually originally as Catholic

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worker guilds, so it was actually a worker's movement, ironically,

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but they had a very Catholic and theological bent. Over time, however,

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and around the late fourteen hundreds mid fifteen hundreds, it

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became a secret society that was focused on something more esoteric,

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so that they became what's called speculative Freemasons and no

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longer just a guild of stone mason stone cutters. So

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they did have a trade secret that they passed on,

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you know, stone mason cutting and so forth. But they

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also eventually became a tool for larger government structures to

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pass along secrets, to do espionage, to infiltrate other countries,

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and basically just spread ideologies. So over time this became

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known as what we now think of as freemasonry, as

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an international order supposedly dedicated to things like the betterment

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of society and the bettering of individuals morally. For a

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long time, of course, it was a strictly men's only movement,

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but eventually it became centered in London, so it became

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an extension of the British Empire.

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Speaker 3: I have books here.

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Speaker 5: Sitting next to me that will detail the history of

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Freemasonry as a tool of the British Empire, not from

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a conspiracy advantage point, but from a strictly academic historian

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vantage point. So that secret society eventually became a tool

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for all kinds of different methods of espionage, as I said,

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and such are huge. So I'm not saying that every

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single Freemason knows everything about this, or that they have

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all the secrets so that they run everything in the world.

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Not saying that at all I am saying, however, that

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especially after the French Revolution, they were successful as an

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organization globally in dethroning most monarchs in the world and

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installing democratic republics. And so one of my focuses Focais

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in grad school was the French Revolution. And my theory,

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which is not just my theory but a lot of historians,

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is that the French Revolution was at merchant and banker

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revolution and so essentially being fostered by the free Masonic lodges.

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There in France. You got two strands of Masonry of

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revolutionary thought that come out of this. This is known

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as the Jacobins and the Garandins. The Jacobins are the

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more radical, the more French Grand Orient Lodge, Italian Grand

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Orient Lodge, the P two Lodge more radical. This is

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why the French Jacobins were illuminists explicitly and total communists.

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This is why they murdered millions of people with the guillotine,

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the Committee of Public Safety, tens of thousands of people,

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under straight up communism. So they actually held the literal

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Adam weisshopped illuminist doctrine. In the US, it became a

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different flavor of evolutionary thought. It was revolutionary capitalism. And

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revolutionary capitalism had other forbears. In England David or in

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lass a fair John Locke, eventually Jefferson right.

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Speaker 3: Jefferson borrows a.

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Speaker 5: Lot from Locke, and that right wing revolutionary tradition in

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ways is more healthy obviously than the outright just women

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wearing beards and like raising giant dildos in the middle

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of the city square and burning all the churches down

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and cutting everybody's heads off in a giant blood orgy.

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in things like private property rights to self defense. Generally speaking,

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these kinds of things follow along with capitalism. But what

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is interesting and what what I disagree with, and I'll

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be done here in a second, is firstly that that

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it is itself automatically true as a system or a thought.

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it's the philosophically absolute way of studying human interaction with

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praxeology Not only do I reject that, I reject the

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whole foundations upon which modern capitalism is built, namely materialism

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and all of the Enlightenment values except for, you know,

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a couple things like obviously we shouldn't be superstitious. Obviously

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the rest of the Enlightenment, and it's a tendent revolutionary thought,

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I absolutely reject one percent. So I'm not here to

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defend communism. I'm here to defend pre modern forms of

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organic and traditional ways of living. Now that doesn't comport

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well with modernity, granted, and that's because we live in

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a globalist society, a globalism which has been fostered by

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global capitalism. So when I look at the Cold War,

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when I look at communism, I do see an enemy,

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but I see an enemy that, at Professor Anthony Sutton

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and Professor Carol quickly pointed out, was fostered by the

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banking and corporate elites of the West. I see a

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foe enemy put into power by Western power, banking and

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money power to create a Cold War dialectic, as the

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Big Nibrazinski himself said, So, I see.

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Speaker 3: That as a managed dialectic.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe that there were no bad Communists, that

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there are no evil dictators or tyrants.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 5: As an Orthodox Christian, obviously I believe there were tens

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Orthodox Christians murdered in Russia by the Bolsheviks. However, the

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Bolsheviks were put in power by powerful Western bankers, right,

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and the banking elite and the corporate elite of the

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West pretty consistently throughout the Soviet regime after the Bolsheviks

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and even into Stalin, they aided in the building up

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of that regime. Now, why would all these capitalists be

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supporting all of these communists and Marxists. And this is

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Speaker 3: It puzzles a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: But when you read quickly, when you read The Big Geostrategist,

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the meta level of these things, when you read Professor

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Anthony Sutton, it's not a mystery. When you read David

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Rockefeller's own memoirs, we know why he went to China

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and set up the first bank in communist China, Chase Bank.

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he loved the idea of Marxism concentrating and centralizing wealth

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so that he is a monopoly capitalist could come in

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and hoard it. It's a scam and it's the same

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thing that happened in Mao's China. So when David Rockefeller

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writes in nineteen seventy three the New York Times Editorial

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from a China Traveler, and he says Mao is the

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ideal for government, he is himself admitting this very principle

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that I'm talking about. As well as Yale Magazine's archives

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that I've posted on Twitter Twitter. The ancient, the not ancient,

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you know, back of the time of Mao coming to

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Yale is who supported Mount the Skull and Bones Society

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out of Yale, is who put malto power into power.

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Bill Donovan himself, the founder of the OSS, with British intelligence,

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who trained all of Mal's guerrillas.

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Speaker 3: Now why would that be. Is it just to fight

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the fascists?

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Speaker 5: No, it's because communism and socialism most of the time

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serve a very specific goal for certain power elites, usually

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the most wealthy foundations to think tanks and families on

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the planet. And the way that I link that to

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freemasonry is that there's no disputing it's not a conspiracy

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theory that in the last three hundred years of Western

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civilization Freemasonry has functioned as a revolutionary force. And it

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doesn't matter whether it's the right wing revolutionaries of Franklin

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or Jefferson or any of these characters who want private

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property and Franklin wants to fuck all these Grandmas, right,

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that's what he was into, or whether it's Adam Weishatt

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and gissepie Mazzini and the Grand orient revolutionaries who want

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to make everybody into social justice where your trainees.

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Speaker 3: These are just two arms of the same bird.

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Speaker 5: So I'm all four talking about the stupidity of American

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dialectical politics. I just take it way back further than

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American twentieth century GOP democrat crap. It goes all the

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way back to the French Revolution and earlier. And this

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is my concluding point on this is that the chief,

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the strongest argument for this point is that it's all

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ultimately based around usury. Usury is the most destructive force

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in wrecking societies, because, as Dante himself noticed a long

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makes it true, but he noticed that anytime you had

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the usurers coming into power and running things from the background,

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your society turned into a giant sodom and gomorrah. And

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so he links sodomy and usury because it creates a

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rapacious parasitical class. And of course the usually always goes

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along with so called capitalism. So I reject all of

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these forms post sixteen hundred. I think they're all bad

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news because they're all based on materialism, atheism, relativism, eventually Darwinism,

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social Darwinism, Malthusianism, all of those fit perfectly with capitalism.

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And what is bringing in the globo homo capitalist order capitalism,

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Speaker 3: Is it Cage? Is it Moscow?

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Speaker 5: And putin no, it's the Fortune one hundred and the

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giant international banks. They're the ones that are forcing this

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on the entire globe. So you want the new you

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be a post the New World Order. I do new

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is the Fortune one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you brought up some really great points.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I remember after I read the Communist Manifesto,

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Marx goes through that whole thing without mentioning bankers, right,

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he goes through the whole thing, And I think to myself.

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Speaker 1: Man, commune is a banker's dream.

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Speaker 2: It is they have everything in complete control, and I

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think that is really the end game.

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Speaker 4: Now too, it's a fascinating opening salvo from Dire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was outstanding, That was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Now, Robert, we got to give Robert a chance to

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speak here, because Robert here is is here to defend

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capitalism and critique jay.

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Speaker 1: On his critiques of.

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Speaker 6: Jay Go's way back. And that's a problem for a

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lot of people nowadays. It's it's a very tough argument

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to try to get across to people in everyday life.

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So the advantage now, as I see it, is in

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the hands of the capitalists, the Austrian economics people, the libertarians.

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Speaker 4: But that's he's yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, he's our guy.

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Speaker 2: Just so we let's give Robert a chance to defend capitalism. Robert,

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what do you have to say? To what Jay just

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Speaker 7: All, well, you know, it's it was an interesting history

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lesson and a lot of things that Jay said I

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actually haven't read. It's actually pretty interesting Jay. So I'm

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just going to assume that everything that you say factually

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Speaker 3: Of the facts.

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Speaker 7: And we've had this, we've had our personal messages before

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and so you answered yes, I think that do you

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agree with that that theory precedes history?

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Speaker 5: If I understand the sense that you mean it?

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Speaker 7: So you need you need a framework to interpret facts

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Speaker 3: Be able to make an assertion.

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Speaker 7: Okay, So, so the the things that you're talking about,

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I generally like, you know, to say that Walmart and

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the bankers are part of the new world order, and

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that they that they're part of the thing that's making

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this world an ugly place. One hundred percent agree with.

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that the way that we're going to come to agree

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with this is is that what we need to understand

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is that capital what capital is. That is the thing

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that capitalism is all about. So, can we agree that

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anything that destroys capital does not constitute capitalism?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Uh, anything that communism is not capitalism. I guess

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within the system of capitalism that would be true.

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Speaker 7: A capitalist would not be in favor of destroying capital

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that what he wants to do is as Mark said,

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accumulated accumulate, right, yep, is not sure. Okay, So, so

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in that sense, the the individuals that you're talking about

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when you try to smear capitalism, what you're really saying,

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what you're really saying is that these are people who

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destroy capital.

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Speaker 3: And so in that sense you're you're you're attacking the

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wrong dog here.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so right, So but what I what I don't

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believe is that monopoly capitalism is somehow a deformed version

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of capitalism. I don't I don't buy that argument. I'm

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familiar with it. I used to make that argument. Uh

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that No, no, no, that's not true free market when

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you become a monopoly capitalist, actually, there's no reason to

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believe that it's not.

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Speaker 7: Well, so let's let's run through a thought experiment. Our

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monopolies possible? Can they occur within capitalism? My argument is no, Now,

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why do I say that it's impossible for monopoly to

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existing capitalism because a capitalist is incapable of calculating economically

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when there is no market and when there's no money.

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Speaker 8: So if if if if, if there's no medium of

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exchange created by the market, the capitalists can not calculate

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where he should delegate his resources.

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Speaker 3: This is the.

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Speaker 7: Problem that all communist states fall into. So like, for example,

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Speaker 3: When the when the when the Soviet Union.

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Speaker 7: Collapse, there are all these houses that were missing roofs,

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and the reason they were missing roofs was because they

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had not properly allocated steel to create certain types of nails,

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and so they couldn't they couldn't put the roofs on

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these on these buildings. So uh, the same problem that

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states come into communist states is the same problem that

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a large corporation of firm, let's call it, would fall

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into if they were to grow too large, they would

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effectively start to lose the ability to calculate economically. Monopolies

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are not possible in capitalism, so you must be talking

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about something else.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, every historian and economist that I'm familiar

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with talks about different phases or stages of capitalism, and

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I'm talking about people who are capitalists. So for example,

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people there's finance capital, there's monopoly capital, there's cartel capitalism.

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certain degree arbitrary depending upon who you talk to. So

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I really I guess it depends on what you mean

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by capitalism, because for some people it just means the

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attainment of profit, the attainment of capital, the rights of

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private property. I mean, so depending on how narrow or

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how wide we want to define the terms, really the

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essence of it and what I'm critiquing is classical liberalism

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and the tradition of the Enlightenment that we are athemized individuals,

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and that what I want to do is to focus

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my life and its attention on the economic sphere, because

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the studying of the economic sphere is really the solution

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to all of man's ills, and it's the essence of life.

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Is homo economicus, as Spangler said, and I'm saying, I

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reject all that. So I don't really care whether you

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think that there's a different term for somebody like David Rockefeller.

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eminent example of most people would say a capitalists. I mean,

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he studied under von Hyek. He did his thesis under

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on Hyek. He thought that the Austrian school was absolutely

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amazing because it's the key to how you become a

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monopoly capitalist, he wrote, he wrote his I'm not saying

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that this proves my position. I'm just saying he's an

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example you want to hard on the on the ground

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example of somebody who who operated this way.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, so let's try to reconcile this. Let's try

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to get the common understanding of capitalism. Uh so we

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can continue forward.

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Speaker 3: Uh, Robert, does anybody?

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Speaker 7: Does anyone want to pull the definition that Marx gave

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because I'm pretty sure he understood pretty well what capitalism,

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what capital was in his Uh well, most capitalists don't

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think Marx understood it well, So I don't.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you expect me to know that you think

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Marx had their correct definition. I mean, by the way

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I mean this, Marx, did you know that Marx does

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not oppose capitalism.

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Speaker 7: Just because Marx said certain things about capitalism doesn't mean

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that he understood what capitalism is.

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Speaker 5: Right, you just said he had the right definition of.

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Speaker 3: It of capital Yes, capital is accumulated time.

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Speaker 6: Okay, that'd be a materialistic way of defining it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's a question I want to bring up because

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Jay mentioned this a little bit earlier. This is a

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question for both of you. And we'll start with Robert

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and then we'll go to Jay. Where are we now?

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Are we in a stage of late stage capitalism? Do

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we have true capitalism? How do you describe our current

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economic reality. Let's start with Robert and then we'll.

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Speaker 1: Go to Jay.

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Speaker 7: I think it would be hard to disagree with the

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statement that we live in the freest time that all

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humanity has ever experienced. There's the standard of living has

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only increased since the anti capitalist mentality arose in the

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early eighteen hundreds.

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Speaker 5: And Jay, well, this depends on what we perceived to

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be our standards of freedom and what it is to

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live a good life. I mean, if it's having a

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bunch of debt, and if it's living in a model

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home in a suburb that was designed by social engineers

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and eating GMOs and all this stuff. I mean, it

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really depends on our paradigm how we judge whether these

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things are pro or con Certainly, the system of capitalism

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that the forms of it that have come and gone

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the last few hundred years have produced a lot of wealth.

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And the irony is that Marx knew that, and Marx

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himself said that that's what would bring the international order.

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Most of the Marxists after Marx, finally came to that realization,

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especially the Frankfurt School. I did my grad work under

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a dude from the Frankfurt School, so I'm not talking

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out of my ass. I know what I'm talking about.

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And they did not see capitalism as an enemy. They

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finally came to realize that it's the kind of thing

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that ultimately brings the international order. H. G. Wells, famous Marxist,

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talks about this in his book Open Conspiracy and in

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the New World Order. He says that, you, dumb fellow Marxists,

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it's only the engine of capitalism that will create the

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global market that will then bring the international order. So

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every time I read the big social planners that I

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think sit above the systems of communism, Marxism, fascism, and socialism,

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I'm talking about the Wells's, the hux Lees, the Jacques Attalese,

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a big glo globo homo capitalist who writes books about

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what global capitalism is going to do when it brings

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the international order. I see them all saying what I'm saying,

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So I don't think they're committed to any of these systems.

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I think they see the systems as tools to getting

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to the same end goal.

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Speaker 3: I agree with that.

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Speaker 6: So the commonality between both systems is the international aspect

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of it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: That's why there was the Third Wave movement, which was

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the idea of Alvin Toffler and a bunch of the Atlanticists.

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Speaker 3: And Tony Blair's government and the Clintons.

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Speaker 5: They adopted this idea of the Third Way, which was

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cooked up by the CFR to blend Soviet style of

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communism with Western Stone capitalism and that synthesis they thought

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would be the best way to moving into the global

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global order.

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Speaker 4: That's funny.

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Speaker 6: On a side note, Kurdistan has actually talked of as

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the Third Way in Syria right now. Just an interesting

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common phrase.

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Speaker 2: And here's one question I wanted to ask jay. I

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remember you had a tweet or something that you said

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something along the lines of butchering this, but cultural Marxism

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and cultural capitalism are essentially equivalent, and then can you

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explain that a little bit and then Robert will give

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you a chance to respond.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So, when I was doing my work on the Frankfurt School,

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and when I was reading all these guys like Hobber

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Moss and Lukash and Horkheimer and Adorno, and you start

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to realize that they came to the conclusion that it's

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not so much the system of capitalism and all this

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stuff that's the problem. It's the it's a cultural critique

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and a cultural revolution that would be more more effective

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than trying to institute a work revolution. So Marx, most

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of the Marxists eventually became convinced that Marx was wrong.

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Eastern Bloc Marxist and you have the Western Frankfurt School Marxist.

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And so it's actually the Oss and Bill Donovan that

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brought the Eastern Bloc Frankfurt School and Frankfurt School Marxist

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over to the US during the Cold War period to

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help set up what would be the cultural revolution.

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Speaker 3: In the US. This was funded by the Rockefellers and

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Macy Foundation.

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Speaker 5: Bertrand Russell was involved in this, and they decided on

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a way to socially engineer the culture and they gave

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up on the idea of the economic proletariat revolution. So

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this is a well known development in the history of Marxism.

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There's only a very few hardcore classic orthodox Marxists left

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in the world, not very many. So what it became

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was cultural Marxism. And when I look at what cultural

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Marxism did and what it talked about, in the ways

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that it talked about, promoting degeneracy, promoting homosexuality, voting sodomy, necrophilia,

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all the things that the frank for school guys talk about. Uh,

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I see that as being pushed now by the Fortune

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one hundred and the international bankers. So for me, it's

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it's it's not it's a no brainer that those two

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things are exactly the same.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and Robert, do you have any comment on that

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or now?

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Speaker 7: Hm, Well, you know, and uh, it seems quite evident

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to me that the more accumulated time you have.

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Speaker 3: The more capital you have, the more prosperous.

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Speaker 7: You are, the more the easier it is to make

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a decision between money and any end that you want

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to do, like walk your dog or spend time painting things.

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If you're spending all your time fishing and trying to

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feed yourself. You don't have a lot of time to

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to to decide between work and and and leisure. And

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so one of the unfortunate things I think that comes

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about with with accumulated wealth is that you get to

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see what people's true desires are. And I don't think

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that that's something to blame capitalism for you should You know,

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if if if Jay thinks that the church is going

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to be the right the right way to lead people

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into thinking in a different way, in a more esthetically

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pleasing way or in a in a more moral way,

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that's that challenges up to him, and capitalism, I think

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is the greatest mechanism to get him to achieve his goals.

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I think he's he's completely unfounded in trying to attack

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the system, which is a very simple concept that works

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on voluntary exchange between individuals, as as the thing that

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sparks the ugliness which is inside humans.

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Speaker 3: Well, the ugliness was already there.

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Speaker 7: It's it's just that with a lot of money they

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can actually express it.

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Speaker 3: But don't don't attack the system. The system that can find.

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Speaker 6: From the individual perspective, what do you how do you

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see the international perspective of what the commonalities between socialism

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and capitalism, how they're both working towards internationalism.

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Speaker 2: I guess the question really becomes, how do you truly

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have an economically capitalist society without foreign interference? Is that possible?

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You know what I mean? The intersection here is between

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globalism and a capitalist society, because you know, international forces

476
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are going to come into play in your capitaliststem.

477
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Speaker 7: Might have you might have a foreign firm that has

478
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some sort of effect over an American market, something like that.

479
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Speaker 3: Why is that inherently a bad thing?

480
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad thing at all.

481
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Speaker 2: But is there any way to prevent foreign interference in

482
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a capitalist society?

483
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Speaker 7: The mot people just have to decide not to buy

484
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:44,960
the products, absolutely, and that's not what they want.

485
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Speaker 3: What they want is the products, right.

486
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Speaker 1: So here's my follow up question to you.

487
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Speaker 2: In a capitalist society, would capital essentially equal more freedom?

488
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,759
There's a correlation between money and freedom. They say money

489
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doesn't buy happiness, but I mean, if you got more money,

490
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,519
you got way more freedom, that's.

491
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Speaker 1: For sure, you know what I mean.

492
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Speaker 4: We'll ask you that.

493
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Speaker 3: Well.

494
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you first, what do you think

495
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about that.

496
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Speaker 7: Happiness is defined by whatever you choose amongst against different

497
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things you could do at the same time.

498
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Speaker 3: That's what happiness is.

499
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 7: So, uh, what what money allows is it allows you

500
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to satisfy more desires.

501
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: In a in a small amount of time. That's what

502
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:22,880
capital is.

503
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 7: And so does money? Does money or capitalism create more happiness?

504
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,359
I think that it's the question is not is not

505
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,559
properly like position.

506
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Speaker 3: You're you're you're happy if you.

507
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,039
Speaker 7: If you know, if you if you have if you're

508
00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:41,440
own a farm in eighteen hundred and you had a

509
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,559
good like crop, you're happy.

510
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:45,319
Speaker 3: You're happy because.

511
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:47,519
Speaker 7: That that is the limitations of the desires that you

512
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:51,519
can execute. So you know, I have a lot of

513
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:54,480
desires most people, you know, I think I don't think

514
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,599
there's a logical way of saying that someone has a

515
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,759
finite amount of desires. So capitalism creates happiness only in

516
00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:04,519
the sense that you can satisfy the most amount of

517
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:09,440
desires that you can come up with faster with more money.

518
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Speaker 1: Okay, cool?

519
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: And Jay, because Jay, you're not a capitalist, that is correct,

520
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,920
You're more into the monarchy, as you said of the

521
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:17,400
prior to the sixteen hundreds.

522
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a traditionalist.

523
00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:23,559
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, So in that sense, you don't How do

524
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:27,680
you feel capitalism plays a role to freedom of the

525
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,839
individual or do you think that's irrelevant. You'd rather not

526
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,960
live in a society like that, You'd rather live in

527
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,519
a moral society.

528
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: Perhaps with the church and things like that.

529
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

530
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Speaker 5: Well, that's one of thing Robert's not very very up

531
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,359
on is his history of Western civilization itself and by extension, Christendom.

532
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,400
So actually, when the Roman Empire was Christianized, eventually it

533
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:51,680
forbade usury. For the first thousand years of Christianity, there

534
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,680
was the forbidding of usury precisely because they understood that

535
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,319
it would lead to the degeneration of society.

536
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Speaker 3: And I think that it did. In fact. The the

537
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,799
systems that Robert's.

538
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,519
Speaker 5: Talking about, and the idea is that what we choose

539
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,519
for in life is happiness. This leads to the fucking

540
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,000
happy meal, okay, which is not even a real meal.

541
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Can you imagine our medieval ancestors, or people who fought

542
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,559
in battles in times past, making the pinnacle of their

543
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,839
life happiness. No, I think this is that I think

544
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,240
this should be mocked because they weren't concerned with happiness.

545
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:29,640
They were concerned with things like virtue, honor, duty, And

546
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,200
you get this in a society that's more holistic, more organic,

547
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,759
more traditional, that's not focused on the attainment of capital. Now,

548
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,680
I don't believe that it's wrong to attain capital. I

549
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,920
don't believe that it's wrong to be wealthy. I mean,

550
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,400
most of these things are talked about in a biblical perspective,

551
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,920
and there's there's wisdom given on these principles from a

552
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,960
biblical perspective, especially things like being just in your dealings

553
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,759
with money and so forth. Wealth is obviously a gift

554
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:54,319
from God. I don't have any problem with that. But

555
00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:57,160
the problem is that when capitalism comes to the fore

556
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,039
as a system, it makes the attainment of uh hedonistic

557
00:30:01,119 --> 00:30:04,960
goals the premiscy and it gets things out of black right.

558
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,279
So it's just like in my own personal life, I

559
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:11,079
should I should have some I should have my spiritual life,

560
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:15,119
for example, ahead of just the attainment of stacking paper,

561
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,079
stacking cash. Well, if I stacked cash, and I'm stacking Fiat

562
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:20,559
dollars anyway, which is another scam of the bankers and

563
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:24,359
the internationalists, So if I'm stacking gold coins, if.

564
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,799
Speaker 3: I'm getting my grill and shit right.

565
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 5: Uh Uh, that is not the the t los of man.

566
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:32,759
That's not Man's end goal is to not is not

567
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:35,680
just to be happy. So I would have to disagree.

568
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,880
I'm running down what he was saying. I'd have to

569
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,839
disagree with the happiness principle is man's highest goal. I

570
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:42,880
would have to die.

571
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Speaker 3: Huh. I didn't say that happiness.

572
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:49,119
Speaker 5: That's not what I said about the capitalism is all

573
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,599
about being making you happier in your happiness.

574
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,559
Speaker 7: Now, I said that capitalism, the capitalism is the best

575
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,200
best system that exists for people to express what makes

576
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them happy.

577
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 5: Okay, but we already don't agree with you don't agree

578
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:02,400
to have examples, you don't like.

579
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: You don't like the fact that people like happy meals right.

580
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 5: Well, the irony of this is what I was gonna

581
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:09,759
Donald doesn't hold guns to the irony.

582
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: Of what I was going to say.

583
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 5: Actually, they do because they work with the government and

584
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,279
they are involved in social engineering. And so what every

585
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:18,559
libertarian and capitalist doesn't seem to be able to figure

586
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:22,599
out is the idea of culture being toxic and socially engineered.

587
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,079
Toxic culture. So this is promoted by groups like Monsanto,

588
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,039
groups like big Pharma, Right, they will.

589
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:32,759
Speaker 3: They will culturally and socially engineer.

590
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:36,799
Speaker 5: For example, the recent billionaire family that got that is

591
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:41,119
in a law. Uh what do they called? I forgot

592
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,000
their name, but that the family that was getting everybody

593
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:45,000
addicted on oxycon and now they're being sued.

594
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: I heard of this.

595
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 5: This is an example of that kind of a thing

596
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,519
where you have a big monopoly cartel in the pharmaceutical

597
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,160
industry that's able to lobby government.

598
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,319
Speaker 3: And I know that. You don't think that's real capitalism. Yeah,

599
00:31:58,359 --> 00:31:59,960
I don't know capitalism at all.

600
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,799
Speaker 5: But but why should I not do that? If IM

601
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:05,319
a so called capitalist? If it's all it's based on

602
00:32:05,319 --> 00:32:07,720
a materialistic system, there's no reason why I shouldn't work

603
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,359
with government. This is what I was when I used

604
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:11,759
to read an Ramda. I started thinking. I started thinking,

605
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:15,640
why should I not buy off government and shut everybody

606
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,640
else down so that I can run this shit? Why

607
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,160
shouldn't I There's no morals to stop me from doing that.

608
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: You say, well, yeah, you.

609
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 7: Just wouldn't be a capitalist anymore. Right, you wouldn't be

610
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:25,359
a capitalist anymore?

611
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:27,319
Speaker 3: Do you know what the Rockfeller said?

612
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,759
Speaker 7: You'd be destroying people's ability to accumulate time.

613
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:32,839
Speaker 3: Do you think they give a shit about competition?

614
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: No competition is a sin, is what they said, right, Yeah,

615
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,279
famous Rockefeller clute got it.

616
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: Competition is a sin.

617
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,519
Speaker 5: So I know they're not true capitalists, right, so nobody.

618
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,359
Here's another iron of capitalism is that it's just like Marxism.

619
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:48,200
It's it always retreats this mantra that we've never had

620
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:50,880
actual true Marxism, who's never been tried every time we

621
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,119
try it. Every time we try Marxism, the capitalists come

622
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,680
and shut us down and screw us up. But the

623
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,839
CIA screws us up. This exact same thing that all

624
00:32:57,839 --> 00:32:59,920
the libertarians say, we've never really had a free market

625
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,359
because the damn communist and the socialists coming funk it

626
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,200
all up. It's the exact same bullshit from both people.

627
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: So I mean I don't think, I don't think. I

628
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,279
don't agree with that at all.

629
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:13,599
Speaker 7: I mean I think that there's anarchic behavior every single day.

630
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,640
I mean, nobody's forcing us to be on this on

631
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,599
this chat right now. Nevertheless, here we are, so we're

632
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:24,599
we're working through a free system and if we profit

633
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:25,519
from that, then.

634
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,599
Speaker 3: If you think this is a free we're making capital right.

635
00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:31,759
Speaker 5: I mean, we have certain freedoms, but you really believe

636
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:33,319
that this is a free system.

637
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: I don't know.

638
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: We're on Google.

639
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: Google is owned by a specific group that also owns YouTube.

640
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,519
Speaker 1: Nobody cut out? What is he talking about?

641
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,559
Speaker 3: Jay? Cut out? My Internet's a little a little shy,

642
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:48,480
all right?

643
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,119
Speaker 2: Anyway, So here's one question I want to ask Robert.

644
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:53,319
You keep on saying this is not true capitalism, that's

645
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:56,240
not capitalism. What is your definition of true capitalism? And

646
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:59,119
where in the United States are we sort of running

647
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:01,920
into almost a core brotism where it's sort of this

648
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,839
merger of conglois.

649
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:06,599
Speaker 7: Here's the thing about Here's the thing about capital is

650
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,760
that capital is really a state of mind. A tool

651
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:15,159
can be a good for consumption if you treat it

652
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,119
that way, or it can be a tool of capital

653
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,400
if you treat it that way. So it really is intentional.

654
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,639
It's really based on intention what is and is not

655
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:29,639
a piece of capital. So for example, I mean literally,

656
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,599
a happy meal can be something that I consume, or

657
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,960
it can be an object that I use to, you know,

658
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,239
to feed some birds. I can catch them, so I

659
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,440
can do other things. And then and then it becomes

660
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:46,719
a piece of capital. So whenever people are unilaterally forced

661
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,559
to do something that they wouldn't otherwise not do, this

662
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,840
is a form of capital destruction, not a form of

663
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,519
capital consumption or or capital creation.

664
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: So anything that anything that is forced.

665
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 7: By definition, cannot be part of the capitalist system.

666
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: That's right.

667
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 3: Now. That doesn't mean that doesn't mean that capitalism doesn't happen.

668
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 7: It happens every single day people that people that buy

669
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:15,280
it and trade goods, regardless of whatever the government says

670
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,280
or whatever. These fortune five hundred companies say they're engaging

671
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,760
in true capitalism.

672
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,639
Speaker 3: So I'm not I'm not in agreement.

673
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,679
Speaker 7: With Jay that that this that they're you know, that

674
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:28,400
that capitalists act like like Marxist.

675
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure that people make that argument.

676
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,039
Speaker 7: But as a person who I feel particularly capable of

677
00:35:35,039 --> 00:35:37,079
defending capitalism, and I'll tell you right now, like it

678
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:40,840
just doesn't make any sense anything that forces other people

679
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:46,320
unilaterally to do something against their will or through or

680
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,880
where they're regulated. So let's say to like, let's say

681
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,480
Jay and I want to trade, and you're.

682
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: Smarter than this.

683
00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:56,559
Speaker 5: You know that private entities will will use the media

684
00:35:56,639 --> 00:36:00,480
and they will use advertising they'll use education to socially

685
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:03,199
engineered people, and it's not a truly free system. You're

686
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,760
not truly making these kinds of decisions when your whole culture,

687
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,920
for example, is being uh say, fed with toxic, degenerate

688
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,679
sexual stuff. If you have, if your children are all

689
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,480
being sexualized by a system that promotes this stuff from

690
00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:22,159
the top down, how that's not just that's not the

691
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:26,159
market operating. That's that's a total top down tyranny because

692
00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:28,360
you don't have any say so when you can't go

693
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,639
to your HR department and say, hey, Jay, I don't

694
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,199
like the training shit everywhere.

695
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,039
Speaker 3: Hey Jay, if you can't control your kids, that's your problem, dude.

696
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:37,320
I'm sorry. Like, if you don't know how to properly,

697
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,800
I can't do anything for you. Man. Yeah.

698
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 5: No, you don't believe that you that you have a

699
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,440
duty to anyone else. So you think that you that

700
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,360
that like that you're excuse from that. But I'm saying

701
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,760
that if you live in a society where that is

702
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,559
promoted from the top down, and you, for example, let

703
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:56,039
your children live in that society, that's on you.

704
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:00,519
Speaker 7: It's on It's on me that I let my children

705
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:02,480
live in that society. What should I do not have children?

706
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: No, you shouldn't.

707
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,159
Speaker 5: You should keep them from that kind of degeneracy.

708
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:09,559
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I agree with you one one

709
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:10,159
hundred percent.

710
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:13,119
Speaker 5: What's the point You don't think private entities lobby to

711
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:15,599
have that stuff legalized, to have that stuff promoted.

712
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,119
Speaker 7: Yes, And I'm saying that that's not capitalism. When they're

713
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:20,880
lobbying to get the government, the largest holder of a

714
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,440
gun in society, to do their bidding, that's not capitalism

715
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:26,719
by definition.

716
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 4: So how would you describe culture? How would you describe

717
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,480
what Jay is talking about?

718
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:31,159
Speaker 1: Pop culture?

719
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:33,679
Speaker 4: How is that? Is that part of capitalism?

720
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 5: Is Lady Gaga and Marilyn Manson?

721
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 3: Is that is that? Is that? Is that the market working?

722
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 5: Or is that freaking social engineering to wrect people and

723
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:42,519
screw them up?

724
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 3: Well?

725
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 7: Yes, I mean I think that there's a little bit

726
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,880
of capitalism going on after the culture has been influenced

727
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,400
by uh A process where the government usually like the CIA,

728
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,719
like you talk about uh GO, they take they plunder

729
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,960
taxes from the population, right, something that you're in favor

730
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:04,360
with as as a monarchist. They plunder taxes from the

731
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,960
population and then they enact their agenda. Now, that's not capitalism.

732
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,360
In capitalism, you're you're not allowed to do that because

733
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,559
then you're destroying capital.

734
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's not actually how our system works, because

735
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,119
there's actually a public private merger and there's the rotating

736
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,360
door system where people will go from private companies like

737
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,800
Monsanto and Seerle, then they'll go to the FDA like Rumsfeld,

738
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,320
and they'll go back to their private company and they'll

739
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,679
they'll have the all the laws altered to just make

740
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,960
everything degenerate and disgusting and nasty legal.

741
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: That's what they do. That's how the system.

742
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's democracy, bro. I'm not in favor of

743
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,480
democracy either. In fact, I'd prefer monarchy.

744
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 5: But there's no reason not to do that as a capitalist,

745
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:48,840
there's nothing restraining, there's no actual reason why I shouldn't

746
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:49,119
do that.

747
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,639
Speaker 3: Why shouldn't I have a monopoly? Right? I thought we

748
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:55,119
went over this. The monopoly is not possible in capitalism.

749
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,159
Speaker 5: You're just redefining the word capitalism and saying that, Well, now,

750
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:01,880
Dave Duckler is not a capitalist because he has a

751
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,360
monopoly on I mean again, why where.

752
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 3: Does the word monopoly come from?

753
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 7: Monarch rights, monopoly, mono, no, monopoly. There were these monopoly

754
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,320
rights issued at the time when the monarchs existed, where

755
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,360
they would issue this thing where they would say only

756
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,239
this person can produce this good.

757
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 3: That's where the word monopoly comes from.

758
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 5: It was part of the guild system, right, And so

759
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:30,880
part of the reason that they did that was to

760
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:35,360
protect their country from outside labor forces.

761
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:35,639
Speaker 3: Right.

762
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 5: So that's what that's why tariffs exist, is because you

763
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,280
don't want cheap labor coming in and destroying your people.

764
00:39:42,639 --> 00:39:46,480
This is why Mark I'm in favor of that was

765
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:49,119
for free trade because he said it would fuck everybody's

766
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:49,719
country up.

767
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 3: And I'm in favor.

768
00:39:51,039 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 7: I'm in favor of what the monarchs did on the

769
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,519
individual level. So I'm in favor of everybody being their

770
00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:56,920
own king.

771
00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:01,199
Speaker 3: I thought you didn't have I just said, monarch.

772
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 5: This is the plan of capitalists, global capitalists. They love

773
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:07,119
this cheap labor, dude. And what do you think cheap

774
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:10,519
labor does is it destroys the existing cultures. You bring

775
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:14,079
these people in to destroy the people groups. And because

776
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,280
you don't believe that there's people groups, you just see

777
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,480
adamized individuals.

778
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: You don't see why that's a problem.

779
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 5: But you you don't believe that you're part of a

780
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,320
people group because you live in the megalopolis that is

781
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,360
itself social engineering that tells you that the only the

782
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,480
highest level of logic is something like the New York

783
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:31,639
Soace Exchange or whatever.

784
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 7: No, Jay, I have thirty five employees, they have families.

785
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,159
I am responsible for a lot of people, and they're

786
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:42,320
livelihood men. So you know, I don't see you doing

787
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,400
the same thing when you're constantly making videos out of

788
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,480
your basement or whatever that is. I don't know what

789
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,960
you're talking about. I absolutely care about the livelihood and

790
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:51,519
the culture.

791
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 3: You should have a good internet connection there life.

792
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: Something I want to add real quick, because Jay talks

793
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,679
about this a lot in his book and also his

794
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,320
girlfriend's book, is that we mentioned Lady Gaga earlier, right,

795
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,039
is that capitalism is it social engineering. What most people

796
00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:15,800
don't know and what Jay talks about in his books

797
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,760
and also his girlfriend, is that there's connectivity between government

798
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:25,039
alphabet agencies and entertainers. For example, Marilyn Monroe was Department

799
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:27,039
of Defense agent. Am I right about that, Jay? If

800
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:31,360
I remember it from the book correctly. So that's what

801
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:32,880
a lot of people don't know. So That's why that

802
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,840
was such an interesting question, is Lady Gaga, Capitalism at

803
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,800
face value might be like, yeah, that's pure capitalism, but

804
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:45,880
it's not because there's sort of a connectivity between a

805
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,400
lot of these big time entertainers, especially the pop stars,

806
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,440
which is in this book quite a bit, the pop

807
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,280
star stars more so than anybody else.

808
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: Jay, Can you speak on that a little bit with

809
00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:57,679
that Lady.

810
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 5: Example degree, Uh, it's it's a situation where, like you said,

811
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,840
there's really no difference between public and private at the

812
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:09,800
highest levels of control. So we can talk about this

813
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,320
abstracted theory of there being a real separation between the

814
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,199
public sector and the private sector, and to a agree,

815
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,440
there is depending upon what level you're talking about. But

816
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,440
when you get up to that higher level, when you're

817
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,400
talking about the Kissingers and the Brazinskis and the Rockefellers

818
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,880
and the Rothschilds, and when you're talking about Soros is

819
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,199
a great example for example, he's a huge promoter of

820
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,280
capitalism and other countries. Right, so when he's fostering the

821
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,599
revolution in the Ukraine.

822
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 3: Uh, now that the.

823
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 5: Revolution has happened, there's just there's like a giant gay arch.

824
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,719
Now that the Russian friendship. Arch has just now been

825
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:48,199
Ain't it gay? Because they're free? They're free now. And

826
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,519
that's why the Open Society and the Open Society Institute

827
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,480
is nothing but a way to promote sodomy in other countries,

828
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,639
to destroy them. So I just see that this that

829
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:01,280
the pop stars are the exact same type of thing.

830
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,519
There there are weapons, There are weapons that you put

831
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:06,079
into other countries. Another great example that I don't think

832
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:09,360
Robert would agree with, UH is porn.

833
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:10,039
Speaker 3: Stars or porn.

834
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 5: This was studied in Desert Storm UH and they introduced

835
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,760
porn into Iraq as a psyop to change that culture,

836
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,400
to change the way that they lived in from a

837
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:27,280
more traditional way into the modern way of abortion and infanticide.

838
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: And you, why are we why.

839
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 7: Are we constantly talking about what governments do when we're

840
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,519
talking when when the argument is about capitalist and whether.

841
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,199
Speaker 5: It's our government is not a public sector thing that's

842
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,280
run that's run by the public sector. It's run by

843
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,199
private entities.

844
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 7: Oh man, So so what you're saying, So, what you're

845
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,000
saying is just because something just because.

846
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 3: Someone has private bro if so right?

847
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 7: So so if something has an LLC and is is

848
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:56,039
registered as a private organization.

849
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: It's automatically private.

850
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:03,119
Speaker 5: I'm just talking I'm talking about I'm talking about Bayer, Monsanto, Raytheon, Boeing,

851
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:04,719
JP Mortgage.

852
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: All you're all.

853
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 7: You're saying, right, there is is firms that might as

854
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:13,239
well be the government exactly so, but that's not what

855
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:13,800
I'm defending.

856
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 3: Why why would I defend that? I I I completely

857
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:16,800
agree with you.

858
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 5: That to you is that that there's no logical reason

859
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,400
why what you're defending doesn't lead to that.

860
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,559
Speaker 3: That's my whole point.

861
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 7: And okay, so go ahead and explain how is it

862
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,159
that what I what I agree with, voluntary exchange, how

863
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:32,360
does that lead to what you're talking about?

864
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 5: Because in the logic of the system of capitalism, if

865
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,239
I'm David Rockefeller, for if I'm Ray Ayn Rand, or

866
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,039
if I'm Alan Greenspan hanging out with Ian Rand, there's

867
00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:44,039
nothing that stops me morally or logically from just saying

868
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:46,400
why don't I why don't I buy off government to

869
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,760
shut down all my competition. It's only if I'm committed

870
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,119
to the actual belief in the system of competition promoting

871
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:56,719
things and oh this is gonna make things advanced. We're

872
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,199
gonna have advanced technology because of all the competition. I

873
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,280
don't give a shit about that. I want to clamp

874
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,199
down everybody and institute a system of control. And again,

875
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:10,519
what fits so well with this system is radical social Darwinism.

876
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:13,039
Speaker 3: I mean Jim Kramer. Let's take Jim Kramer for example.

877
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 9: He says on interviews, I fucking love social Darwinism. I

878
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,119
want to I want to crush everybody. I want to

879
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:21,760
win everybody else lose it. Right, He goes nuts doing it,

880
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,840
very honest about it being total social Darwinism. And I'm

881
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:26,920
saying that is.

882
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 5: Completely destructive to society.

883
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,519
Speaker 7: And all I'm saying is that, Okay, well there, you

884
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:37,519
just said something that is more morally reprehensible, aesthetically unpleasing.

885
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: But nevertheless, why.

886
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,199
Speaker 5: Who gives a shit about that? Why not be morally reprehensive?

887
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:44,199
Why not crush everybody?

888
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 7: Well, the beauty about the beauty of the market is

889
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,000
that you get to choose what you consume.

890
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:51,519
Speaker 3: You don't you don't have to consume c NBC and

891
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:53,920
watch Jim Kramer how the real world works. Though.

892
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is the Lady Gaga point that some kind of.

893
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,199
Speaker 5: Forced into everybody's faces. You're it's like a dog and

894
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,000
ship you the government and the corporate entroduce, well they

895
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:10,000
shove your face and the Homo and the Lady Gaga.

896
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,800
You get that from from womb to tomb. It's not

897
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,079
a free system where you can choose.

898
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 3: Not to do that.

899
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 7: I agree with that, Jay, Like I don't understand where

900
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,239
we're disagreeing here.

901
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: I keep telling you a.

902
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 5: System where you don't have to choose CNBC and and

903
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:26,559
uh uh yeah, to the extent that you have the

904
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:28,599
freedom to choose what channel you turn to, you don't

905
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:30,400
have to watch CNBC, That's correct.

906
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 7: I got plenty of people in this country that are

907
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,119
not watching CNBC and have no fucking idea what's going on.

908
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: They don't know that North Korea just denuclearized or whatever.

909
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,360
They don't they don't know any of these things.

910
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 7: And they have the freedom to do that kind of thing.

911
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:45,960
And that's what I'm in support of. That's exactly the type.

912
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 5: Of super naive way of viewing how the world really works.

913
00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:51,159
The world does not really work on the basis of

914
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:53,960
everybody can just shut off the TV and then my

915
00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:56,559
family is free from a bunch of degeneracy. That's not

916
00:46:57,039 --> 00:47:01,119
to the generacy or not free generously will be forced

917
00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:02,760
into your face, and it is being forced into.

918
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:04,519
Speaker 7: It, and to the extent that it is forcing your face.

919
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:07,079
I'm not in a favor of that, are you, Well,

920
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:10,159
of course not, okay, So what would happen in our monarchy?

921
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,199
Speaker 5: Well, again, we have examples in history of societies that

922
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,880
I believe were more healthy and more organic that function

923
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,360
in that way, because, for example, rather than everybody being

924
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,599
at odds with one another and trying to destroy one

925
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:28,880
another in a social Darwinian Jim Kramer sense, there is

926
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,480
a common idea, a common purpose, a common goal that

927
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:36,320
society has. When society loses those common goals and it

928
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,760
becomes things like the pursuit of hedonistic pleasure, the pursuit

929
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,199
of just pure capital, when it becomes a pursuit of greed,

930
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,760
when it becomes usury, all of these things end up

931
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,840
wrecking society. And we have plenty of civilizations to look

932
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,920
at that have wrecked from that stuff.

933
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 3: Do you agree that that's okay?

934
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: Little let the Yeah, yeah, I got a question for

935
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,199
you real quick, Robert. We mentioned usury, We mentioned the

936
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,639
fact that the Threederal Reserve was established.

937
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:02,159
Speaker 1: In nineteen thirteen.

938
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:05,199
Speaker 2: My question to you is Is it possible to have

939
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:10,519
a free market, capitalist society without usery? You know, we

940
00:48:10,559 --> 00:48:14,239
all know the Bible story where Christ kicks out the

941
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,239
money changers, one of my favorites. Is it possible to have,

942
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:19,840
you know, a capitalist society without user What do you

943
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,480
think about that, Robert, And then we'll get to Jay.

944
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:28,519
Speaker 7: If by usury you mean loading money at interest, Yeah,

945
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:31,400
it's it's It would only be possible if people didn't

946
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,079
prefer things sooner rather than later.

947
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Speaker 1: M Okay, so jet logically, because.

948
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 7: Well, let me explain that. Let me explain that. Because

949
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,480
if something is treated the same. Okay, if someone in

950
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:46,920
the mind considers two things to be the same, and

951
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,760
you were to offer one thing a year from now

952
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,440
and one thing now, it would be more valuable. Now,

953
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,000
that's where that's where interest comes from, and so and

954
00:48:57,079 --> 00:49:00,920
so people don't see in the case let's say it's

955
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,880
a money loan. People don't see one hundred dollars today

956
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,840
as equal value as one hundred dollars a year from now.

957
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,719
But before there was money, people still people still had,

958
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,039
people still sold time.

959
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Speaker 3: That's what we're talking about here. Do you agree with that, Jay? Yeah?

960
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,079
Speaker 5: I mean I'm not here to disagree with the idea

961
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:27,159
of barter systems or symbolic representational forms and gold or

962
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:29,679
paper notes. I don't have a problem with any of that.

963
00:49:29,679 --> 00:49:32,480
That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about my

964
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:36,280
critique is what has developed this monstrosity that has developed

965
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,960
out of the enlightenment based on all of these these

966
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,840
materialistic principles, and I see them kind of coming to

967
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,280
their own logical conclusions. And the irony is that the

968
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,840
system ultimately becomes completely anti human. It does, I think,

969
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:52,960
ultimately eat itself like an oral burros. And so transhumanism

970
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,960
is really the logical result of of capitalism and Darwinian

971
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,559
social theory and the idea of actually just being anti human,

972
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:04,119
going against what it is to be human.

973
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 3: And then, but I.

974
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,159
Speaker 7: Don't know how transhumanism, what transhumanism has to do with

975
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:09,880
usury or interest.

976
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 5: Because it's the end goal of the logic of this system.

977
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,599
Speaker 3: So people want, people want things sooner rather than later.

978
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:21,079
People are just humanism.

979
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 5: People are just interchangeable economic units, and so there's no

980
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:28,000
logical reason why they should even in the Latin the

981
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,760
final analysis be dealt with or used. Ultimately, people should

982
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,320
be replaced by machines, because that's much more efficient the

983
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,079
system tailor look at if you look into tailorism and

984
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:44,639
the idea of tailorism and Ford studies and radical notions

985
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:48,079
of efficiency, this is why the whole society becomes a

986
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:52,719
monsanto uh conveyor belt, and every humans just become creations

987
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,719
of conveyor belts. And this is what actually Allo Sux

988
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,760
makes the argument in Brave New World the whole purpose

989
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,880
of the system all along, all the evolutions top top

990
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:07,039
global planner. Here he says that capitalism and Marxism and

991
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:09,480
socialism all have the same end goal and that was

992
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:10,960
the point of Brave New World. That's what he names

993
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,679
the characters Marx Forward.

994
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 7: I don't know what that has to do with with interest,

995
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:20,599
but the point is that yes, uh, interest is a

996
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:26,760
natural occurrence that that and people trade goods in such

997
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,840
a manner in which interest is is just a thing

998
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,440
that's tacked on when you take two goods that are

999
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,280
the same and one is traded later in time.

1000
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 5: Okay, so this discussion is like is like back to

1001
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,679
back to school and Rodney Dangerfield, who's become wealthy as

1002
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,719
a kind of con man huckster, is there with the

1003
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,360
economic professor, and the economic professor is riding on the

1004
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,719
talk board and he's got all these these abstract theories,

1005
00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:57,000
and Ronnie Dingeerfield is like, he also talked about buying

1006
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,159
off the cups yet, right, So Ronnie Dingefield, as the

1007
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:02,599
guy on the street, knows how economics really works. I

1008
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:04,119
know that you have a business, you know how it

1009
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:07,079
really works. But I'm saying at that higher level, nobody

1010
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:10,519
is interested in systems. Nobody's interested in being faithful to

1011
00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:13,840
this kind of stuff. They're interested in large scale usery

1012
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,880
and actually the international banking scam of THEO.

1013
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 7: So so let me so let me let me slightly

1014
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,559
change the conversation here while saying on what you're talking

1015
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:25,760
about here and say that one of the things that

1016
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,679
is becoming very abundantly clear here is that you're not

1017
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:32,599
you're not aware of the of what's happening on the

1018
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:37,679
ground level, grassroots, of how these sorts of systems that

1019
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,000
you and I both don't like, how they're actually there's

1020
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:45,760
there's a system of capitalism that's flourishing, and it's flourishing

1021
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,079
very quickly, and you seem to have absolutely no no

1022
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,159
idea that it's that it's occurring at all. I'll use

1023
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:57,280
like a good example here Bitcoin. There's a there's a

1024
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,960
market bitcoin, what are you talking about.

1025
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:01,559
Speaker 3: Right, But you don't buy it.

1026
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 7: You don't you don't work in like a bitcoin market,

1027
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,280
so you don't actually know how much money is being

1028
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,239
traded with bitcoin on a daily basis, or else you'd

1029
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,519
know that there are systems that are actively working to

1030
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:18,000
destroy exactly the things that you and I both dislike,

1031
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,480
because I don't think that I don't think that esthetically

1032
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:23,360
or morally we disagree at all, Like all the things

1033
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,280
that I find reprehensible, you find reprehensible, and all the

1034
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:31,039
things that I think are ugly, you find ugly. So

1035
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:34,119
so the thing is that capitalism is is only growing.

1036
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:38,760
And part of the thing that that all these systems

1037
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,880
that you're talking about, it all comes down to kind

1038
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,239
of like jurisdiction. Where do they get their power and

1039
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,199
how can they enact their power. All these systems can

1040
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,559
enact their power on the physical world, but with the

1041
00:53:50,679 --> 00:53:56,239
rise of cryptography and other technologies, they're they're losing their

1042
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,800
ability to enact power, and so these kind of things

1043
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:00,440
that bother you.

1044
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 3: A lot of.

1045
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 5: Narrative that bitcoin is going to destroy the banks and governments.

1046
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 3: I know this narrative, Robert, Yeah, so, but I'm not.

1047
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:08,320
I'm not.

1048
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:10,639
Speaker 7: It's not a it's not a narrative like something's gonna

1049
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:13,719
happen in the future. It's happening now, like it's happening

1050
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,719
right now. There are billions of dollars, There are billions

1051
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,360
of dollars being moved in bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies on

1052
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:26,719
a daily basis that are working to undermine those nasty

1053
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,519
elements that leach off of society and so and they're

1054
00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:33,519
working in a capitalistic fashion.

1055
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,559
Speaker 3: And so you know, you seem to think that I'm

1056
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:42,039
like in favor of this. Is Peter Teel a capitalist?

1057
00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 5: I mean, he's a huge proponent of transhumanism, uh and

1058
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:46,320
gay rights?

1059
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 3: So is Peter Teeal an example of this?

1060
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 7: Or I mean we can take all these people and

1061
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,599
anytime that you can pull out a fact that says, look,

1062
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:58,400
this person, this person is doing this nasty thing, then

1063
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,199
I'm gonna have to say to you, well that then

1064
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,440
that person is not a true capitalist. Like like I

1065
00:55:03,639 --> 00:55:05,679
don't want to sound like a like a Marxist and

1066
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,679
say like, oh look, uh, true capitalism has never been

1067
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:15,119
uh practiced. The thing is that true capitalism is either

1068
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:16,639
practice or it's not practice.

1069
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 3: It's happening every day, it's happening more and more, and.

1070
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:22,199
Speaker 7: You just have to you have to tune in and

1071
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,000
and find out what's actually going on.

1072
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,559
Speaker 1: Here's a good question. I got a good example from both.

1073
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 5: Of conversion process and have eyes to see the divine

1074
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,679
providential hand of the invisible market working.

1075
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:35,519
Speaker 3: It's there, trust me, it's there.

1076
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:39,119
Speaker 5: But Robert, Robert, Robert has no problem having faith in

1077
00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:40,920
that coming capitalist system.

1078
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,639
Speaker 7: It's not faith, dude, I see it every God do Well.

1079
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: Here's a good question. Here's a really good example. We'll

1080
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,679
wrap this up in the next couple questions.

1081
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:50,119
Speaker 1: This debate here.

1082
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 2: Elon Musk makes ship tons of money off government subsidies,

1083
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,920
essentially calls himself a socialist today on Twitter is a control.

1084
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought he was against socialism. I must have

1085
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,440
misread those tweets.

1086
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:06,079
Speaker 1: No, what do you say, Let's pull it up, pull that,

1087
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:06,599
I'll pull it up.

1088
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 3: I think he I think he misread that.

1089
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:12,039
Speaker 7: I think that he was actually he was actually mocking socialists.

1090
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:16,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah he said they were Yeah, yeah it was.

1091
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,360
It was a good troll by him. He says, Uh,

1092
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,599
they have no sense of humor, blah blah blah. But like,

1093
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:24,159
what's your take on him making is that capitalism when

1094
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:25,960
you make a ton of money off government subsidies?

1095
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: Is what I'm really trying to ask here.

1096
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: No, absolutely not.

1097
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 7: And I think that he'd be better off rejecting all

1098
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,360
those freebies because I don't think they help.

1099
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: Him in the long run. Interesting and at the at

1100
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:39,880
the end, at the end.

1101
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 7: Of the day, the the capitalist system can only flourish

1102
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:52,159
if people really abide by this concept of voluntary exchange.

1103
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 5: Okay, why should people abide by these principles?

1104
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 7: Well, I mean I think you would say that they

1105
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:01,719
that if they don't, they go, they go to hell.

1106
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 5: Right, I'm asking you in your system, why anyone should Sure.

1107
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 7: Well, if you don't, if you don't inject the religious aspect.

1108
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:11,960
The reason that they should abide by these principles is

1109
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,119
because when they put there, when they put their ends

1110
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,400
and they align them with their means, and they and

1111
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,679
they see the line of logic, they'll see that their

1112
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:22,840
means are kind of productive.

1113
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:23,199
Speaker 3: To their ends.

1114
00:57:24,239 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, you might, you might get some help from the government,

1115
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,880
and that might help you for a little a little time.

1116
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:33,320
But because fundamentally the government is based off of violence,

1117
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:36,360
there's nothing to stop you from being exploited in the

1118
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,679
future by the very people that you're interacting with.

1119
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,559
Speaker 1: Right, Like, Just to clarify, this is what Elon Musk said.

1120
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: He said, by the way, I am actually a socialist,

1121
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,239
just not the kind that shifts for resources from most

1122
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:50,400
productive to least productive, pretending to do good while actually

1123
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,119
causing harm.

1124
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: True socialism seeks greatest good for all. So that was

1125
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:55,679
Elon Musk.

1126
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: Saying that he is, in fact a socialist. I was

1127
00:57:57,559 --> 00:57:58,320
right initially.

1128
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,039
Speaker 7: Yeah, but he's using social in the classical sense, the

1129
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,719
way that economists used to use in the seventeen and

1130
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:05,639
eighteen hundreds.

1131
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: Jay, what's your comment on this?

1132
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,079
Speaker 2: Because I think Elon Musk might be watching right now,

1133
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:11,320
is tweeting at him a few times, so he's probably

1134
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,480
watching America's number one chat cast, What's up you Long?

1135
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1136
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 2: What do you think about that when he says something

1137
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,119
like that, because that's more in the Jay territory than

1138
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:21,599
the Robert territory. The I'm not a capitalist? What do

1139
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:24,119
you think about Elon Musk's recent comments?

1140
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 3: Jay, Yeah, I don't really have much to say.

1141
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm familiar with him, I don't follow him regularly.

1142
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,880
He seems to be a kind of suspicious character in

1143
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,400
terms of what he promotes, because I see him promoting

1144
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,039
a lot of the same transhumanist type stuff in a

1145
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:41,119
very subtle, cloaked way. So I'm suspicious of the guy.

1146
00:58:41,159 --> 00:58:43,400
But I see him like a Bill Gates. I don't

1147
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,320
really see these people as or like Sam Walton. If

1148
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,920
you're familiar with the history of Sam Walton, sam Walton

1149
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:52,599
was raised to that position by dealings with.

1150
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:55,679
Speaker 3: The Rockefellers out of Arkansas and the Rothchilds.

1151
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 5: Setting up the system in China to basically propel Walmart

1152
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,599
to the position that it's in and destroying a whole

1153
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,360
host of family businesses and small communities. I know that's

1154
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,400
just the market working, but it's the market working according

1155
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,239
to the logic of a system where I don't give

1156
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:14,639
a shit about anybody else but me. And that's why

1157
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,880
Sam Walton was put into that position through deals made

1158
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,880
by big people like the rock Colers and Rothchilds with China.

1159
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,599
That's the real story of Walmart, not the story of

1160
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:27,480
I raised myself up on my bootstraps and worked hard,

1161
00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:29,880
and some people can do that, but I think at

1162
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,880
the level of a Bill Gates, the level of that

1163
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:38,559
Sam Walton, No, that requires this this big scale, back door,

1164
00:59:38,639 --> 00:59:43,119
smoke room dealing. That is completely amoral. And that's how

1165
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:45,480
the real world works. It doesn't work on these principles

1166
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,280
of I'm going to follow, you know, the principles of

1167
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:53,280
rational exchange and justice and not into let government interfere.

1168
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:54,519
Speaker 3: No, no, no, that's not how it works.

1169
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:56,119
Speaker 5: The way it works is you get to a certain

1170
00:59:56,199 --> 00:59:58,679
level and you know, you're Hillary Clinton and you have

1171
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,679
everybody else that your competition shut the fuck down, And

1172
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,920
I think that's that's completely capitalism.

1173
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 3: Why not? Yeah, So, I mean so in the in

1174
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,360
this case, like uh.

1175
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 7: There, you know, Jay doesn't really want to abide by

1176
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,000
any like hard definitions. So that's why he's always going

1177
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:21,880
to get away with trying to say that these things

1178
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are are are synonymous because he won't like cut a

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01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,199
hard definition of what the difference between you know, uh,

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socialism or capitalism is. And so you know, I just

1181
01:00:36,239 --> 01:00:38,519
want to tell you Jay that there's this there's this

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whole economy that's.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I gave you a whole history the differences

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between those things.

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01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:47,639
Speaker 7: Right, there's there's this whole economy that that is in

1186
01:00:47,679 --> 01:00:51,239
a battle, in a in a clandestine battle against these

1187
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,039
forces that you're talking about that I'm against myself, and

1188
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every single day they're inching more and more uh forward

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into achieving the goal.

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Speaker 5: I mean again, we're gonna we're gonna be ruled by

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01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:07,519
who joby weeks and we're gonna be ruled by some

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01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:10,360
bitcoin billionaires, and that's going to be a better system

1193
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than Hillary.

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Speaker 3: Okay, maybe, but that's that doesn't convince me the capital

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01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:15,840
that that's not what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: I'm saying that there's a there's a system that's coming

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01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:22,679
and you seem to be oblivious to this where these people,

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even the bitcoin billionaires, will be unable to enact force

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onto other people because.

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Speaker 5: You're a completely naive dupe. If you believe that, you're

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01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:32,840
completely naive dupe.

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Speaker 10: I'm fully aware of the I've watched all the I've

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01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:40,960
watched all the bitcoin people and all of their I'm

1204
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,000
not every talk, but I'm familiar with all the top

1205
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:45,000
bitcoin people in the gospels that they preached.

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Speaker 3: I know all about it. I've watched Max Kaiser for years.

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Speaker 5: I own bitcoin, uh I understand the argument, but I'm

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01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:54,639
saying that it's very naive if you think that that's

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01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:56,760
going to bring in a system where there's not going

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to be violence.

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Speaker 7: Come on, dude, you know of course I'm not a utopian.

1212
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I'm not saying that there's not going to be violence.

1213
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I'm saying that that it will be more and more

1214
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difficult for these monopolistic entities to actually force people to

1215
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,320
do anything against their will because they're going to lose

1216
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,400
their funding. Yeah, but remember, at the end of the day,

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01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:18,599
they cannot function without a market. That's fundamentally that a

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man who stands at a road and holds people hostage

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01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,000
and forces them to give money, even that guy knows

1220
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,079
that he can't just every time the guy walks through

1221
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:31,239
the road. He can't just keep taking money from him,

1222
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,199
because then the guy will kill him or stop taking

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the road.

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Speaker 3: Right.

1225
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 5: The problem with this is that you are deracinated and

1226
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,360
you don't even know it. So you don't have a heritage,

1227
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,519
you don't have an idea of continuing a tradition to

1228
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,679
your progeny. For you, it's all a system of rational calculation.

1229
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,960
And how there's going to be this coming better system

1230
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:54,400
of bitcoin and all this stuff, and I'm telling you

1231
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:59,559
that humans have a much more layered aspect to what

1232
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:01,280
they are and what it is to be human. So

1233
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,320
I actually I feel sorry for you that you think

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01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,880
that the position that you have is so much more superior,

1235
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:09,960
and that I'm just a rube living in my mom's basement,

1236
01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:12,679
which I don't, but uh, I live in my mom's attic.

1237
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Speaker 3: By theok, you think that that.

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01:03:15,679 --> 01:03:18,599
Speaker 5: We're all rubes and we don't have uh you know this,

1239
01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:23,280
this this superior enlightenment of the the a Randian megalopolis.

1240
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,199
But I'm telling you that there's more to what it

1241
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:30,000
is to be a human than to to erect skyscrapers

1242
01:03:30,039 --> 01:03:31,679
and to have bitcoin.

1243
01:03:32,199 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

1244
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,079
Speaker 5: I know that you feel that there probably is, And

1245
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:38,280
I'm saying that it's not just a question of economic systems.

1246
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:42,440
It's also a question of man's purpose, man's man in

1247
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:45,119
relationship to eternity, man in relationship to God, and man

1248
01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:48,760
in relationship to his people, his kinfolk. And the systems

1249
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:53,599
that you are talking about are all inherently anti collective.

1250
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,559
Now I'm not a collectivist, but your system is predicated

1251
01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:59,840
on anti collective and that it's.

1252
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 3: I don't agree with that I don't agree with that.

1253
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:05,119
Speaker 7: Even if you look at the history of capitalist thought,

1254
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:09,440
I mean it was started by the Catholic Scholastics and

1255
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,400
and the Usury. That the good arguments against usury were

1256
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,639
made made up by like John Calvin and and and

1257
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:16,480
the Protestants.

1258
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:22,079
Speaker 3: I don't think that that there is Calvin supported usury.

1259
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 7: Yes, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that he supported

1260
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:31,079
capitalist action. I'm saying that he's one of the He's

1261
01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:35,000
one of the people that developed the capitalist thought and

1262
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:37,920
the and these arguments of the Enlightenment that that led

1263
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,440
to modern modern praxeology, right.

1264
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 3: And the seminary. I know, I hate Calvin, yeah.

1265
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 7: Right, And so what I'm trying to but what I'm

1266
01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:50,079
I'm trying to argue against you is that that there's

1267
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,599
no sense of collective. On the contrary, I would say

1268
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:58,559
there's a similarity between anarcho capitalists people that believe in

1269
01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:03,719
pure capitalism, and Marxists, and that is that they they

1270
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:08,400
both kind of hold this this class theory. The only

1271
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:12,039
difference is that while the the Marxists believe in the

1272
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:15,840
in the in the class system being uh, the capitalists

1273
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,000
and the labor the anarcho capitalists believe that the class

1274
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:26,079
system is divided amongst the the.

1275
01:05:25,519 --> 01:05:29,719
Speaker 3: Owner of a good, and that the the.

1276
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 7: Class of people that want to expropriate that good. So

1277
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,760
in that sense, there's kind of like this similarity. And

1278
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,400
I would say that anarcho capitalists and libertarians tend to.

1279
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,599
Speaker 3: Tend to lean more to the left than to the right.

1280
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:47,119
Speaker 7: But but I so so in that case, I would

1281
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:49,480
disagree with you that there's this that that there's this

1282
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:52,119
lack of sense of collective. I'm sure that's the case

1283
01:05:52,199 --> 01:05:56,519
with like objectivists, but objectivists never said that they're completely

1284
01:05:56,519 --> 01:05:59,239
against the government, and so they have their own problems

1285
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,920
with what capitalism is, and then they don't seem to

1286
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:07,599
be able to to put their their desires in a

1287
01:06:07,679 --> 01:06:11,320
consistent fashion. But when it comes to anarcho capitalists, which

1288
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,599
are the which is the largest growing group of libertarians,

1289
01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:18,840
we very much believe in the collective. I think that

1290
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,079
a lot of anarcho capitalists see eye to eye with

1291
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:26,000
ethno nationalists because they don't want to have influence from

1292
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,719
other cultures that might be against capitalism and have aesthetically

1293
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,400
unpleasing or morally unpleasing.

1294
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know that there are our anarchical capitalists who

1295
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,239
believe that their system is compatible with other ideas like

1296
01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:43,719
heritage tradition. All that, I understand that, and I know

1297
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,079
who these people are on YouTube and some of the

1298
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:48,880
guys that make these arguments. But I'm just saying that again,

1299
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,360
my critique of the system is that it's all based

1300
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,239
on materialism, and so there's really no reason to prefer

1301
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:54,960
one over the other.

1302
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 3: I just don't see why we're supposed.

1303
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 7: To No, no, Well, you know, in anarcho capitalists, they

1304
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:02,719
don't even use the word economics. They use this term

1305
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,039
called catialaxy, and that specifically, the reason that they use

1306
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:09,760
that word catillaxy is is because in catallactics, what they

1307
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,840
study is that let's say that there's two people selling

1308
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:13,199
a car.

1309
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 3: One guy selling a car.

1310
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 7: For two thousand dollars and another guy's selling a car

1311
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:20,440
for twenty one hundred dollars, and they they're identical cars.

1312
01:07:21,159 --> 01:07:22,639
Speaker 3: Well, if I'm friends with the.

1313
01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:24,639
Speaker 7: Guy that's selling it for one hundred dollars more, I

1314
01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:27,320
may choose to buy the car from that guy. And

1315
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,079
that has nothing to do with how much money. I'm

1316
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:32,519
not acting like a homo economica is simply going for

1317
01:07:32,639 --> 01:07:36,159
the most profitable for the most profitable deal. I see

1318
01:07:36,239 --> 01:07:38,480
more value in paying a little bit extra to work

1319
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,920
with a friend, and so yeah, we you know, I

1320
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,280
think you're I think you're kind of talking kind of mix.

1321
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:46,119
Speaker 3: What does this have to do? What does this have

1322
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:46,880
to do with the.

1323
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,119
Speaker 5: Idea of heritage and tradition and passing this on in

1324
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:53,159
a culture. And obviously anarcho capitalism and anarchism in all

1325
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:56,639
of its forms are based on revolutionary past, tossing out

1326
01:07:56,679 --> 01:07:57,760
of everything that came before.

1327
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 3: How can you even argue that I'm trying.

1328
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 7: I'm trying to make it clear that that one of

1329
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:08,239
the things that we study, very very astutely, is that

1330
01:08:09,079 --> 01:08:11,920
it's not just that those things that you can measure

1331
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:16,079
with money that are valuable to human action. People act.

1332
01:08:16,359 --> 01:08:21,279
People act despite the monetary cost of the thing when

1333
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:25,479
something is important to them. Unfortunately, there we live in

1334
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:30,199
a society where people they they've kind of lost the

1335
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:33,600
vision of of things like religion and other important things

1336
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,960
of the family. But that's not the that's not the

1337
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,319
fault of capitalism. The fault of capitalism, when one could say,

1338
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:44,720
is that it creates conditions in which it's detractors, people

1339
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:50,039
with no religion, atheist communists, where they have enough time

1340
01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:54,199
to think up and promote their social ideals. And so

1341
01:08:54,279 --> 01:08:56,720
in that sense, I guess you could say capitalism has

1342
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:01,000
like an Achilles foot or whatever, but it it's.

1343
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:05,399
Speaker 3: That's not capitalism's fault. Fault.

1344
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, we just we just haven't lived long enough in

1345
01:09:09,159 --> 01:09:12,119
a free society for people to work those things out.

1346
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,319
Speaker 3: But but now that we now that we have.

1347
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:19,119
Speaker 7: Been in a free society for quite some time, all

1348
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:21,800
the all the leeches and all this, people are starting

1349
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,000
to see what it's what it's really all about, and

1350
01:09:24,039 --> 01:09:26,439
they are are starting to rebel against that. I mean,

1351
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,119
that's what the whole alt right movement's all about, is

1352
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:32,600
people starting to realize that that there's things that are

1353
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,479
more important than money.

1354
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:35,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1355
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 7: I mean, if if you've been living in the jungle

1356
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,960
your whole life and you finally get taken into a

1357
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,199
city and people are giving you, you know, so much

1358
01:09:42,199 --> 01:09:45,399
shit is free in the society, of course, people aren't

1359
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:46,039
going to know how.

1360
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:46,560
Speaker 3: To react to that.

1361
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:50,199
Speaker 7: It's it's it's it's growing pains. People are are spoiled

1362
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:53,279
and they don't understand. It's it's happened so fucking quickly.

1363
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:55,199
I mean, we're talking about one hundred years here since

1364
01:09:55,239 --> 01:09:56,239
the Industrial Revolution.

1365
01:09:57,079 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 3: People don't know how to act.

1366
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 7: But that that's just a growing pain of the of

1367
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,239
the coming society where people are gonna you know, we're

1368
01:10:05,279 --> 01:10:08,840
at we're reaching this this uh singularity point where people

1369
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,199
it's not it's not necessarily clear that we're going to

1370
01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:15,760
have more technology into the future, Okay, Like I don't

1371
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:17,479
think that transhumanism.

1372
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,039
Speaker 3: Is possible or ai as possible, but so.

1373
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,199
Speaker 7: And so it's not it's not like we might have

1374
01:10:23,279 --> 01:10:27,039
like incremental small improvements. Our iPhones might get better, but

1375
01:10:27,039 --> 01:10:29,640
it's not clear that we're gonna get like hyperspace travel

1376
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,399
or something that's revolutionary like that.

1377
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 3: So because because that's.

1378
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:41,239
Speaker 7: Not very clear, okay, it it means that people are

1379
01:10:42,039 --> 01:10:46,159
are going to have to adapt to the existing technologies,

1380
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:48,960
which which they're not used to yet. It's like, uh,

1381
01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:51,199
you know, recently I went to Russia and all these

1382
01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:53,880
girls are using Instagram and they're showing their asses just

1383
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,079
like the United States. It's really sad, right because because

1384
01:10:57,079 --> 01:10:59,960
that's the you know, the Eastern European countries and Asia

1385
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:02,600
where these last vestages where you could find it like

1386
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:03,680
a decent woman, right.

1387
01:11:05,119 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 5: Those damn Marxists and Instagram and and Apple well.

1388
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,520
Speaker 3: And so so they're starting to lose that.

1389
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Speaker 7: But you know, don't underestimate the power of adaptation to

1390
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,119
uh to, to the current technologies. I think that right now, Look,

1391
01:11:22,279 --> 01:11:26,479
we're watching people. People are dumping Snapchat, people are dumping Facebook.

1392
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,840
They are getting used to having this abundance of wealth,

1393
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,840
this abundance of technology, and now they're starting to realize

1394
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,880
the things that are really important to them and so

1395
01:11:35,279 --> 01:11:39,960
and so it's like, yeah, I mean, with great power

1396
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,600
comes with great responsibility. That's what That's what capitalism.

1397
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:44,119
Speaker 3: It gives.

1398
01:11:44,199 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 7: It gives people the power to enact their desires. And

1399
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,760
it's like a fuck, it's like the fucking It's like

1400
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,920
the Ring in Lord of the Rings Man. It'll it'll

1401
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,079
give you whatever the fuck you want. The challenge. The

1402
01:11:57,239 --> 01:12:00,800
great story, the great narrative, is how America is going

1403
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:07,359
to you know, resurrect itself, rebirth, figure out what they're

1404
01:12:07,359 --> 01:12:09,920
going to do with this new situation that they're in.

1405
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: The world is yours, Chico and everything a lot.

1406
01:12:13,039 --> 01:12:15,520
Speaker 7: I'm very very positive about what's going on, and I

1407
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,840
see it every day I see it every day, Jay,

1408
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,119
Like for example, you know you would you know, I

1409
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,760
would find it hard to believe that that you joined

1410
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:28,119
Warski's shitty shitty stream if it weren't to profit and

1411
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:29,079
get more viewers.

1412
01:12:29,159 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 3: Right, well, yeah, there were multiple reasons for co hosting.

1413
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:41,199
Speaker 7: More so you agree with with capitalizing on situations, and likewise,

1414
01:12:41,239 --> 01:12:44,560
I'm here to promote my channel. And here's the thing.

1415
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,479
My channel, as you've you've mocked in the past, has

1416
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:48,680
very very few views.

1417
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 3: Right.

1418
01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:51,119
Speaker 7: But if you go back to my old videos back

1419
01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:52,720
in twenty two eleven.

1420
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 5: Because you were talking, I'd marked it because you were

1421
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,279
talking shit at me, which.

1422
01:12:56,079 --> 01:12:58,279
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, sure, it's all fun, it's all fun.

1423
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 7: But what I'm trying to say is that you know,

1424
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,479
I talk about bitcoin back then, in twenty ten, twenty eleven,

1425
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,640
and that's the only way in which I took donations.

1426
01:13:07,039 --> 01:13:11,079
So despite the fact that I've got far far view

1427
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:14,399
far less viewership than you, the thousands of bitcoins that

1428
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,880
I got as donations back then make it so that

1429
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,359
I get to enjoy things in a manner in which

1430
01:13:21,159 --> 01:13:23,760
which might take your channel with super chats a very

1431
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,600
very long time. And that requires foresight and so I

1432
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,359
think that capitalism's fruits kind of speak for themselves, and

1433
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,159
I get to now have you know, if I wanted to,

1434
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:37,000
I could start a channel right now with a lot

1435
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,680
more polished view could I could make it look like

1436
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,840
like a oh, I don't know, like a like a

1437
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,600
Prager view Prigger you or something like that, make it

1438
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,960
very very polished, because I've got the resources necessary to

1439
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:48,199
do that.

1440
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:52,279
Speaker 3: And what I don't think they I don't think that.

1441
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,399
Speaker 7: I think you know that I wouldn't go and start

1442
01:13:54,399 --> 01:13:56,000
promoting it, promoting atheism.

1443
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:57,119
Speaker 3: That's not what I'm all about.

1444
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:01,520
Speaker 7: I would absolutely start a channel that's talking about aesthetically

1445
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,960
pleasing things. I probably talk about movies, something that we

1446
01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:07,239
both share and interest in and I have.

1447
01:14:08,319 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 3: So what I'm trying to say is that even.

1448
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 7: Though I don't have the viewership, I now have the

1449
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:16,000
resources because I made the right moves and I did

1450
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,880
it voluntarily. I didn't have to exploit anybody. People sent

1451
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,800
me free donations, and now I get to enjoy the

1452
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:24,279
fruits of.

1453
01:14:24,279 --> 01:14:27,520
Speaker 3: The of the of that those small decisions that I made.

1454
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 7: And that's what capitalism is all about. It's it's it's

1455
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:35,000
it's fundamentally the system that rewards the entrepreneur, the person

1456
01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:38,319
that has a vision and conceive into the future and

1457
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:39,760
imagine and.

1458
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 3: Create what they what they what they want.

1459
01:14:42,199 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 7: And so right now we're in a situation where we've

1460
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,520
got a lot of uh, we've got certain cultures that

1461
01:14:49,079 --> 01:14:51,880
are promoting their views because they've made a.

1462
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 3: Lot of money.

1463
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 7: But that doesn't mean that Christians and people that see

1464
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,960
ied I with you. They've got a lot of money. Dude,

1465
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:02,720
they have a lot of money. They just they just

1466
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:08,000
haven't they haven't learned the esthetic thing very well because

1467
01:15:08,039 --> 01:15:11,800
they've been sucking this whole Protestant thing. But it's going

1468
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,199
to change. And you know, Jordan Peterson is a guy

1469
01:15:14,199 --> 01:15:16,039
that's been helping that right away.

1470
01:15:17,039 --> 01:15:19,640
Speaker 3: Seriously, I mean, because I know I know Protestants.

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01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:26,520
Speaker 2: Jay does a pretty good uh Jordan Peterson impersonation, just

1472
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:27,800
like all the other radicals.

1473
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 3: You don't know what you're talking about.

1474
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 1: Wow, Peterson.

1475
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 3: I have a friend who's a Southern Southern Baptist.

1476
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,279
Speaker 7: He has a very profitable business down in Nashville, and

1477
01:15:38,279 --> 01:15:40,800
I'd like you to meet him and uh and and

1478
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,560
he's uh, he comes you know, from a Protestant background,

1479
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:48,000
and he lived a very you know, a very hermit

1480
01:15:48,199 --> 01:15:50,119
like mental life or whatever.

1481
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:52,560
Speaker 3: I hope I'm not making you. I see that you're

1482
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:54,880
getting a little frustrated there, and and I'm just trying to.

1483
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 5: I don't mind. I just don't understand. Where are you

1484
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,399
going with this. It's like this is like the the motivational.

1485
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:01,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're wrapping it up.

1486
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:04,079
Speaker 6: The way I understand it is that we both understand

1487
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:07,359
that materialism was the problem. And he brought up Peterson

1488
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,000
as a way of showing that maybe the culture is

1489
01:16:10,039 --> 01:16:13,399
moving away from materialism naturally through.

1490
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,319
Speaker 7: Yes, I think that I think that people are finding

1491
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:20,000
that they're they're they're having a return to form and

1492
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,439
and so these things might happen cyclically.

1493
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 3: I'm not really sure you're the historian.

1494
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:29,560
Speaker 7: But there is uh a reckoning coming here where you're

1495
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:29,960
gonna have.

1496
01:16:30,199 --> 01:16:32,159
Speaker 3: I mean, you see it every day, man. You see

1497
01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:33,920
these you see people that are.

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01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 7: You see all these s j ws that have like

1499
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,039
the they have no fucking reality. And then you see

1500
01:16:41,239 --> 01:16:45,239
all these altrightists and all these uh libertarians that are

1501
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:48,800
trying to fucking dress well and and and and be

1502
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,520
more conservative. I don't I don't see why you're so

1503
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,560
fucking pessimistic dude, Like, what's up with that?

1504
01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 5: I guess I just have a I would say a

1505
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,760
better I believe a better sense of how things really work.

1506
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,279
And the things that you're talking about really aren't enough.

1507
01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:09,800
They're not enough to to see the kinds of change

1508
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,560
that that are going to be substantial.

1509
01:17:14,079 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 3: You don't think.

1510
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 7: You'd have an influence with billions of dollars. You don't

1511
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:21,760
think that if you were a billionaire. You don't think

1512
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,079
you'd have a greater influence than you have today.

1513
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,119
Speaker 3: Well, sure, but I don't know then, So then why

1514
01:17:28,119 --> 01:17:29,760
can't you join the team and come in for the

1515
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:34,000
big win? Dude? Start start fucking embracing capitalism, get rich.

1516
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:41,119
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I don't disclose my financial situation online,

1517
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:43,399
but I have started a business and I have done

1518
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,520
very well in my first two years of business. So

1519
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:49,159
I do have an entrepreneurial aspect. And I said at

1520
01:17:49,159 --> 01:17:51,039
the beginning of the debate that I have absolutely no

1521
01:17:51,119 --> 01:17:55,199
problem with entrepreneurs or private property, or people attaining capital,

1522
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,920
people having savings, people I buy gold, I have bigcoin.

1523
01:17:59,159 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 3: I have no problem with any of that.

1524
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 5: I mean, again, I think you're you're oversimplifying what you

1525
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,680
think the position that I have is I'm merely critiquing

1526
01:18:08,279 --> 01:18:12,840
the lacking points in capitalism and it's and its foundations

1527
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,479
and its origins because I don't believe that it's a

1528
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,239
system that operates in the abstract. I believe that it

1529
01:18:18,319 --> 01:18:21,800
has to be connected to where it comes from historically.

1530
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,279
I'm not saying that makes it I'm not saying that

1531
01:18:24,279 --> 01:18:26,600
makes it tru or false. But I'm saying that the

1532
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,159
things that you're talking about, I don't think they're enough

1533
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:33,199
to really save Western civilization or society. It's got to

1534
01:18:33,239 --> 01:18:35,119
be much more than that, because it can't just be

1535
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,760
being successful. It can't just be more of you know,

1536
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,640
Reagan Ara, bullshit, it can't. That's all the the Boomers

1537
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:42,560
got all that ship, bro.

1538
01:18:43,359 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 3: And what I understand that.

1539
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 7: All I know is I'm talking about practical, practical realities here.

1540
01:18:49,039 --> 01:18:53,079
All I know is that I have I have a

1541
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:56,159
a worker here, right, and I offered him a portion

1542
01:18:57,039 --> 01:18:58,079
of ownership of my.

1543
01:18:58,159 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 3: Business, and.

1544
01:19:01,119 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 7: That would have given him the fruits of his labor

1545
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,199
at the time of fruition. What the time, at the

1546
01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:08,680
time that that the business sold its first product and

1547
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,640
started making a profit. He didn't have the ability to

1548
01:19:12,399 --> 01:19:14,520
wait for that that would have been the.

1549
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,319
Speaker 3: Interest generated on his own labor.

1550
01:19:17,399 --> 01:19:21,359
Speaker 7: So instead he gives me a discount by accepting a

1551
01:19:21,399 --> 01:19:26,359
salary in the present, I pay him before the product

1552
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,479
is sold. This is just a I'm just telling you

1553
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,920
a practical thing here. So what I'm trying to say

1554
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:35,319
is that people, it's not Usery is just like a

1555
01:19:35,359 --> 01:19:38,279
negative term that people use in order to describe what

1556
01:19:38,399 --> 01:19:41,920
interest is, which is a natural human desire people want.

1557
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,000
Certain people have low time preference, certain people have high

1558
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:47,800
time preference. Some people want things now and other people

1559
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:53,279
want things later. So there, you know, these are practical

1560
01:19:53,319 --> 01:19:55,119
things that I've learned along the way. I'm not trying

1561
01:19:55,159 --> 01:19:57,560
to regurgitate something from the eighteen hundreds to you. I'm

1562
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,680
telling you that I'm living this right now. I've got

1563
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,279
thirty five employees that I take care of, and I

1564
01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:05,680
do take an active role in talking to them about

1565
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:07,600
how they how they deal with their family, how they

1566
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,920
deal with their kids and their wives. I'm I'm I'm

1567
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,520
actually changing people because I have an influence as their boss.

1568
01:20:15,359 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 3: I'm not just talking on a YouTube channel here.

1569
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 7: I actually have employees that I take care of, and

1570
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:25,039
so you know, when there's a capitalist that doesn't do

1571
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:26,479
things the way that I do them.

1572
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 3: That's not a knock on capitalism, that's a knock on

1573
01:20:29,039 --> 01:20:31,920
that asshole. You know what I mean?

1574
01:20:33,119 --> 01:20:33,359
Speaker 1: Jay?

1575
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:34,600
Speaker 3: Uh, you know what I'm saying.

1576
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jay, your final comments will wrap this up with

1577
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,760
like maybe one or two more questions. Maybe we'll have

1578
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,880
a final statement here from both of our wonderful guests. Uh.

1579
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,960
The thing I'm thinking to myself right now is, Okay,

1580
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,960
we've got capitalism, but there's kind of a monopoly on

1581
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:51,439
the capital and the in the sense that the Federal

1582
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:55,479
Reserve is a private conversation, uh, private corporation. Right, So

1583
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,239
that's something I think about because you can't really compete

1584
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:00,760
with people who are in cash.

1585
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: You know, it's pretty tough.

1586
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 2: But there's something you've got bitcoin that's a solid, solid

1587
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:07,680
argument to be seen.

1588
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of big banks getting involved with bitcoin.

1589
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1590
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,319
Speaker 7: You guys, if you if you don't fucking understand bitcoin

1591
01:21:13,399 --> 01:21:16,560
at this point, you're you're missing the biggest train.

1592
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,199
Speaker 3: We all we will ever pass through this through this world.

1593
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:22,279
Speaker 7: I'm telling you right now, you're making a big fucking mistake.

1594
01:21:23,119 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 1: Oh No, I'm not. I'm not downplaying bitcoin as a

1595
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:26,439
technology not.

1596
01:21:26,359 --> 01:21:30,359
Speaker 3: To be proven. That's proven. Now there are bitcoin billionaires now.

1597
01:21:30,279 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right, But I guess I think if you're a.

1598
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,399
Speaker 7: Bitcoin billionaire, a bitcoin guy bought a thirty million dollar house.

1599
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:37,159
Speaker 1: Oh, I believe you.

1600
01:21:37,239 --> 01:21:42,119
Speaker 2: But I guess the point Jay's conveying is sort of

1601
01:21:42,319 --> 01:21:45,199
you know, even if you are a bitcoin billionaire, I'm

1602
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:48,680
not sure you're gonna be able to compete with the government,

1603
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,359
but you know, the monopolist who like sort of monopolized

1604
01:21:51,399 --> 01:21:53,039
things a long time ago, you know what I mean.

1605
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,760
But I'm rooting for it, man, I'm I'm all for

1606
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:58,640
it with the bitcoin thing. I absolutely love it. Robert,

1607
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,520
you've been a fantastic guest. I've I think you've got

1608
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:05,239
the best set out of anybody we've had, just in

1609
01:22:05,319 --> 01:22:08,000
terms of the skyline background. It looks awesome, big glass

1610
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,000
of wine. I'm glad the lighting worked out. So Robert,

1611
01:22:10,039 --> 01:22:12,039
it's been absolutely a pleasure having you. I want to

1612
01:22:12,039 --> 01:22:13,720
hang out with Jay for a little bit, because Jay

1613
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:17,039
is a three time guest on America's number one Chat Cass.

1614
01:22:17,079 --> 01:22:19,279
I want to chat it up a little bit with Jay.

1615
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,880
But Robert, it's been outstanding having you. I look forward

1616
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,760
to having you on as a guest again. This is

1617
01:22:25,119 --> 01:22:29,159
round three between Jay and Robert, So it's been really cool.

1618
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:31,199
Speaker 1: Do you have any final statements? Final words for Jay?

1619
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,399
Speaker 2: A good debate, definitely some interesting points all around, but

1620
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:37,239
a final word for a Jay in America's number one

1621
01:22:37,279 --> 01:22:38,239
jackass worldwide.

1622
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just I you know, once again, I just

1623
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:46,319
want to say Jay that that I really I cannot

1624
01:22:46,319 --> 01:22:51,359
stress enough that my success at a young age.

1625
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 3: I'm thirty one.

1626
01:22:53,119 --> 01:22:56,159
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm not trying to I'm not trying to show off, bro,

1627
01:22:56,359 --> 01:22:57,039
I'm trying to tell you.

1628
01:22:57,119 --> 01:22:58,680
Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell you something. But if you if

1629
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:00,640
you can't handle it. This sounds like you're you're trying

1630
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:01,880
to make up for the debate.

1631
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,119
Speaker 5: But you know, you can talk all day long about

1632
01:23:04,119 --> 01:23:05,439
how awesome everything is.

1633
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,239
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of sad, but go ahead.

1634
01:23:08,399 --> 01:23:11,520
Speaker 7: No, you know life is not awesome life. Life is

1635
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:15,159
full of struggles. But what I'm trying to what I'm

1636
01:23:15,159 --> 01:23:18,840
trying to say to you, is that life that I

1637
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,399
wouldn't have had success to the point where that I

1638
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,399
that I've had right now if it weren't for my

1639
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:28,560
understanding of capitalism, because not only did it not only

1640
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:32,680
did it kind of create a moral background for me

1641
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:36,640
to approach every situation. And and I'm sorry that, Yeah,

1642
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:40,239
it's true, religion didn't give give that to me. It

1643
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,119
was the natural law theory and all those kinds of

1644
01:23:43,119 --> 01:23:46,399
things which don't are not incompatible with with with your

1645
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:52,760
religious views. They basically come to the same conclusions. If

1646
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,840
if it weren't for the understanding of economics and and

1647
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,000
and capitalism, I don't think that I would have had

1648
01:23:59,039 --> 01:24:00,720
the kind of success that I had right now. One

1649
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,000
of the reasons that I was able to see bitcoin

1650
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:07,520
very early on is precisely because I understood what what

1651
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:11,039
money is and how it comes about. When we when

1652
01:24:11,039 --> 01:24:13,840
we first saw bitcoin back in twenty ten, you have

1653
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:16,760
to understand that we we fucking didn't under we were

1654
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,439
We spent three or four months having nothing but debates

1655
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:24,079
about this thing called the money regression theorem, understanding whether

1656
01:24:24,119 --> 01:24:26,640
bitcoin could actually be money or not. And when we

1657
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,880
came to the conclusion that it actually could be money,

1658
01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:33,479
it fucking it changed our entire way of thinking, and

1659
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:34,600
it changed our entire world.

1660
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,199
Speaker 3: And we're still experiencing.

1661
01:24:38,119 --> 01:24:40,600
Speaker 7: Things that are happening right now due to decisions that

1662
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:42,640
were made past, in the past that are.

1663
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:45,359
Speaker 3: That are still coming into fruition right now and so.

1664
01:24:46,079 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 7: And I'm not saying that to you, dude, to make

1665
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,960
you jealous or try to try to brag. I'm trying

1666
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,720
to tell you that to to inspire you and let

1667
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:58,680
you know that that with with money, yes, you can

1668
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,840
become an evil evil fuck I mean my sister.

1669
01:25:03,079 --> 01:25:03,600
Speaker 3: Right before.

1670
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,199
Speaker 5: I never I never argued that money was the problem

1671
01:25:06,359 --> 01:25:08,680
or that money was what caused people to be evil.

1672
01:25:09,319 --> 01:25:13,119
Speaker 3: Well, in order to accumulate money, you have to be capitalistic. Okay,

1673
01:25:14,119 --> 01:25:16,399
this is this. You are smarter than this, dude.

1674
01:25:16,439 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 5: You know that there were wealthy people in the world

1675
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,720
function and people had societies prior.

1676
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 7: To sixteen hundred, right, yeah, I know that. Yeah, so

1677
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:29,399
were they capitalists? They were capitalistic, is what I said. Capitalistic.

1678
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,520
There's only two ways of accumulating capital. Either you steal

1679
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,279
it from someone or you earn it. That's the those

1680
01:25:36,319 --> 01:25:38,319
are the only two ways. There's the political means and

1681
01:25:38,319 --> 01:25:39,520
there's the economic means.

1682
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:43,159
Speaker 5: That that's capitalism as a system what you're here to defend.

1683
01:25:43,319 --> 01:25:46,880
Did it exist as a philosophical belief system prior to

1684
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,119
these characters like David Ricardo and the Laise Fera, John

1685
01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:51,720
Locke guys.

1686
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 3: Did that exist back then? It wasn't.

1687
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 7: It wasn't elaborated to the extent that it was elaborating

1688
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,479
in the eighteen hundreds. However, going back all the way

1689
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:04,319
to arist there were a lot of views on things

1690
01:26:04,319 --> 01:26:07,439
that don't work, like let's say democracy, I mean Plato

1691
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:09,680
and these guys they covered those things all the way

1692
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:14,880
back then. So there have been experiments and studies into

1693
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,840
what inflation is going back to the twelve hundreds in China,

1694
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:21,159
and there's a whole history I can I can give

1695
01:26:21,159 --> 01:26:25,039
you books on that kind of stuff. But all I'm

1696
01:26:25,039 --> 01:26:27,720
trying to say is that these these these kind of

1697
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,720
lessons helped me a lot. And I haven't held a

1698
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:36,880
gun to anybody's head. I've accumulated everything by offering some

1699
01:26:37,039 --> 01:26:39,119
piece of value to someone else. And we were both

1700
01:26:39,159 --> 01:26:41,760
in a state of inequality. We both wanted things, we

1701
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,720
had things that we didn't want, we wanted things from

1702
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,520
other people. And so all I'm trying to say to

1703
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:47,479
you is that if you start embracing that kind of

1704
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:51,720
mentality and stop being so cynical, you'll find that there's

1705
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,760
a whole wealth of there's a whole basket of wealth

1706
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,479
that you can tap into and use to promote your

1707
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,479
very awesome ideas. Because I agree with most of the

1708
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,880
stuff that you that you say, you're just very cynical.

1709
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:04,960
And by the way, just to let you guys know,

1710
01:27:05,319 --> 01:27:08,760
I had a very popular YouTube channel in the early

1711
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,439
in the in the late two thousands where I talked

1712
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:13,720
about the exact same things that you talked about, Jay,

1713
01:27:14,199 --> 01:27:16,279
I talked about all these kind of things.

1714
01:27:17,079 --> 01:27:19,119
Speaker 1: Esoteric and and and and and.

1715
01:27:19,279 --> 01:27:22,079
Speaker 5: Just to go further, my sister, you're the most arrogant

1716
01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:23,399
douchebag I've ever met.

1717
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,159
Speaker 3: I love you, but you're a complete fucking douchebag.

1718
01:27:26,199 --> 01:27:27,600
Speaker 1: No, he's building his credit.

1719
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:28,079
Speaker 4: That's it.

1720
01:27:28,079 --> 01:27:30,079
Speaker 1: It's I like the fact that.

1721
01:27:32,279 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 3: I was YouTube.

1722
01:27:33,399 --> 01:27:35,159
Speaker 5: No, I think it's all bullshit. I think you're just

1723
01:27:35,239 --> 01:27:38,000
you're just talking sales bullshit. I mean, I don't doubt

1724
01:27:38,039 --> 01:27:40,279
that you have the business and all this, but now

1725
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:41,399
I'm a late.

1726
01:27:41,239 --> 01:27:44,359
Speaker 3: Comer to the stuff that I talked about. Dude, I

1727
01:27:44,399 --> 01:27:44,920
was doing this thing.

1728
01:27:45,039 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 7: I didn't say you're late, You're you're You're just projecting,

1729
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,800
you said, reading into things that I'm saying. I'm trying

1730
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:52,239
to tell you, I'm trying to tell you that I

1731
01:27:52,279 --> 01:27:53,439
was a cynic myself.

1732
01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:55,159
Speaker 5: That's what I'm trying to say to you. Know what

1733
01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:57,039
you're talking about me being a cynic. I mean, I

1734
01:27:57,079 --> 01:27:59,640
make comedy videos all the time. I'm doing great things.

1735
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 7: Are I don't know, but today's conversation, you don't make

1736
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:06,279
it sound like like we have a very good future

1737
01:28:06,279 --> 01:28:09,640
ahead of us. And I'm very optimistic after Donald Trump

1738
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:11,760
being elected and all these kinds of things that the

1739
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,399
rise of the alt right, I'm very very optimistic. I'm

1740
01:28:14,399 --> 01:28:17,439
not saying that the alt right is uh like, I

1741
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:18,880
don't think that they're we're.

1742
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,199
Speaker 1: Out right around here. I want to clarify something. Uh.

1743
01:28:21,239 --> 01:28:24,079
Speaker 2: On America's number one Chad Cast, we represent the al right.

1744
01:28:24,119 --> 01:28:27,279
We're about listening to podcasts, reading books, staying in shape,

1745
01:28:27,279 --> 01:28:29,319
and having an excellent time nationalist.

1746
01:28:29,399 --> 01:28:31,319
Speaker 1: We love Donald Trump. That's pretty much the al right

1747
01:28:31,359 --> 01:28:33,319
in a nutshell. So I just had to clarify that

1748
01:28:33,359 --> 01:28:34,000
we're welcome.

1749
01:28:34,079 --> 01:28:38,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're very strong olrightist over on this chat.

1750
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:41,239
Speaker 7: I will say that the other the other, the other

1751
01:28:41,359 --> 01:28:45,920
part that really helped me a lot was the learning game.

1752
01:28:46,039 --> 01:28:48,520
That helped a lot as well. And I don't know

1753
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,640
if you guys teach that on your channel. But game

1754
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,119
was a huge part of manispere.

1755
01:28:53,119 --> 01:28:56,640
Speaker 2: I'm dude, I'm literally a Manisphere blogger. I literally write

1756
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:58,600
for Return of Kings dot com. You're you're looking at

1757
01:28:58,600 --> 01:28:59,600
a Manisphere blogger.

1758
01:29:01,079 --> 01:29:02,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, we love it.

1759
01:29:02,279 --> 01:29:04,239
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, the game stuff, it all came so

1760
01:29:04,399 --> 01:29:07,319
naturally to me, you know. So I I read about

1761
01:29:07,319 --> 01:29:08,960
it and like, yeah, I did that last week.

1762
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: That was easy. I already knew all this stuff.

1763
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 2: So the game stuff wasn't really that new to me.

1764
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:15,560
It was just telling me things I already knew and

1765
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:17,479
I was already practicing. You know, I should probably write

1766
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:19,920
a book on it. But the game is huge.

1767
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 3: Game is kind of related to your field though.

1768
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,079
Speaker 7: See I had I had a different trajectory here, and

1769
01:29:25,079 --> 01:29:27,039
and I hope we I hope we have time just

1770
01:29:27,039 --> 01:29:27,880
for like okay, go.

1771
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:32,039
Speaker 3: Ahead, brother. So I I also found it pretty pretty

1772
01:29:32,119 --> 01:29:35,119
natural in the in the beginning. But but then I

1773
01:29:35,119 --> 01:29:36,840
started listening to Stefan malin.

1774
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:41,239
Speaker 7: You really yeah, and I kind of I actually found

1775
01:29:41,239 --> 01:29:45,439
myself unable to unable to score with like on these dates.

1776
01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 1: Because you're talking libertarian values and ship chicks hate.

1777
01:29:49,079 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 7: I was talking about like like the uh, you know,

1778
01:29:51,079 --> 01:29:53,359
the plight of the man again, you know, in the

1779
01:29:53,359 --> 01:29:54,039
modern world and.

1780
01:29:54,039 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 3: All this kind of thing.

1781
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,039
Speaker 1: It like what Beyonce hello.

1782
01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:59,359
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so I kind of had to

1783
01:29:59,399 --> 01:30:02,800
discover all these guys in order to learn. I would

1784
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,279
call it like social dynamics, you know, because it's not

1785
01:30:05,359 --> 01:30:07,199
just it's not just towards women, but learning how to

1786
01:30:07,239 --> 01:30:11,000
talk towards men and women and learning how to kind

1787
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:13,159
of how to center yourself.

1788
01:30:13,159 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 3: And I would say that.

1789
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 7: I was natural at it, and then I had to

1790
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,319
relearn it after the fact because I I lost it.

1791
01:30:19,399 --> 01:30:21,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I got a cousin who's you know, he's

1792
01:30:21,239 --> 01:30:23,439
recently divorced, so I got to get him into the

1793
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,720
manisphere so he can pick up some game because he's

1794
01:30:26,079 --> 01:30:27,119
getting back into the game.

1795
01:30:27,239 --> 01:30:30,159
Speaker 1: So but yeah, so you.

1796
01:30:30,119 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 3: Know, so making a lot of money is not enough. Obviously.

1797
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,239
Speaker 7: You can be a complete autist and make a ship

1798
01:30:35,319 --> 01:30:39,000
ton of money, and it's it's no good, right, simply

1799
01:30:39,239 --> 01:30:41,479
simply being argument.

1800
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:44,279
Speaker 5: I mean, are you just here to like promote your ship, dude,

1801
01:30:44,279 --> 01:30:45,920
which I don't care, but I mean this is not

1802
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,319
an argument relevant to anything, right.

1803
01:30:48,279 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting little off tracked.

1804
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 7: This is I was I was maybe up, bro, I

1805
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:53,960
was just trying to tell you that you shouldn't be

1806
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,439
so cynical, but you know you can, keeping don't think.

1807
01:30:58,079 --> 01:31:02,560
Speaker 2: So let's give his final statement, whole thing, Jay closing statements.

1808
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,399
Then we'll talk to Jay for a little bit, and

1809
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:08,000
then we'll wrap it up. A great episode, fantastic guests.

1810
01:31:08,199 --> 01:31:10,880
So we'll give Jay his closing statement, you know, final

1811
01:31:11,159 --> 01:31:14,199
comments to Robert here, and then we'll sort of wrap

1812
01:31:14,279 --> 01:31:17,079
up the debate talk to Jay for a little call tonight. So, Jay,

1813
01:31:17,119 --> 01:31:20,119
your final comments on Robert. You said he was a

1814
01:31:20,119 --> 01:31:24,399
douchebag earlier, but a likable douchebag. Nonetheless, I don't think

1815
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,399
he's a douche I think he's just a guy. You know,

1816
01:31:26,399 --> 01:31:29,000
he's just a guy doing his thing. We respect and

1817
01:31:29,239 --> 01:31:33,680
like Robert. Jay is our guy. Jay's a chad He's

1818
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:37,399
a Chad Cast regular. He's practically in the locker room

1819
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:40,279
of the Chad cast. That's how regular Jay is on

1820
01:31:40,319 --> 01:31:44,800
our show. But Jay, he's like, what Jay, final statement?

1821
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Our friend.

1822
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1823
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:48,399
Speaker 5: Well, I mean I can brag too. I mean I

1824
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,520
wrote a book, I created a TV show. I've had

1825
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,399
a tremendous amount of success in the last couple of

1826
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:54,159
years reached.

1827
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,119
Speaker 3: Millions and millions of people.

1828
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,600
Speaker 5: I've grown my channel tremendously, just in I've only done

1829
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:02,479
videos the last year. You know, We've I think quadrupled

1830
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:06,520
my channel in the last year to immediately hop on

1831
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,520
to Worski after having a lot of success and debates

1832
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,920
debating some of the biggest altright people like Richard Spencer.

1833
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:13,560
I mean, I can sit here and brag and my

1834
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,119
girlfriend is gorgeous.

1835
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:15,319
Speaker 3: She's a hottie.

1836
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 5: I mean, I can talk about that kind of shit

1837
01:32:17,039 --> 01:32:20,079
all day. But that, really, I think is a pale

1838
01:32:20,119 --> 01:32:26,079
replacement for solid argumentation. So I'm happy that Robert has

1839
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:29,159
all that success and he's done well with bitcoin, but

1840
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,399
really it doesn't get to the meat of the argumentation

1841
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,600
that I was trying to make about the ideas of

1842
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:40,039
revolutionary thought from the Enlightenment on. And I think that

1843
01:32:40,199 --> 01:32:43,039
all of the things that I mentioned earlier for people

1844
01:32:43,079 --> 01:32:45,199
who are interested to read about this, I do have

1845
01:32:45,319 --> 01:32:49,000
books that I would recommend. There's always the classic book

1846
01:32:49,119 --> 01:32:53,039
by the guy who was in charge of the Library

1847
01:32:53,079 --> 01:32:56,359
of Congress, James Billington, and he wrote Fire in the

1848
01:32:56,359 --> 01:32:58,760
Minds of Men, and this is a history of revolutionary thought,

1849
01:32:59,239 --> 01:33:03,600
and he traces it directly to the Masonic Lodges. So

1850
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:06,479
I don't think that there's any debating that I'm one

1851
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:09,399
hundred percent right about all that. There's other books that

1852
01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:10,880
deal with that too. I'm not going to sit here

1853
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:14,960
and just read off books. But there's also my publisher

1854
01:33:15,359 --> 01:33:22,319
publishes the extremely scholarly history of Bishops Group. And so

1855
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:25,760
this is where communism actually comes from, Perfectibilis, which is

1856
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:30,119
about the history of the real Illuminati out of Bavaria,

1857
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:31,239
which they were just communists.

1858
01:33:31,319 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 3: Right.

1859
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,119
Speaker 5: So I'm one hundred percent opposed to communism, one hundred

1860
01:33:34,119 --> 01:33:37,119
percent post to socialism Marxism, but I'm also opposed to

1861
01:33:37,159 --> 01:33:40,760
modern capitalism because it has the same atheistic foundations. And

1862
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:45,479
so I think that people want organic, natural ways of

1863
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:51,000
living and that includes people, family, tribe, nation, and all

1864
01:33:51,039 --> 01:33:53,880
those things are good and healthy. The Russian Orthodox Church

1865
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:56,680
recently issued at statement Church and Nation, and that's what

1866
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,399
I believe. I believe that that's a perfect statement of

1867
01:33:59,399 --> 01:34:01,800
how we should you our fellow man, in our society,

1868
01:34:02,159 --> 01:34:05,239
our kin, and so forth. So I think that's a

1869
01:34:05,279 --> 01:34:06,159
much better approach.

1870
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:08,520
Speaker 3: And when it comes to economics.

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Speaker 5: I don't deny the rights of private property and all this,

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but I think it has to be set within a paradigm.

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Those are very difficult questions. We live in a paradigm

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that's completely opposed to that. So I don't have any

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delusions that like I'm going to be anointed king tomorrow

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or anything like that. But in fact, most modern monarchies

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are puppets of the CIA and they're completely degenerate.

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Speaker 7: Anyway, Jay, I just want to ask you, like, so

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you never really explained why a monarchy would be preferable

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to a capitalist society.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because a monarchy is an immediate reflection or an

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icon in our theology, in our metaphysic of the family. Right,

1883
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So a hereditary monarchy is an icon an image for

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the whole people group to look at as a family.

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Now that doesn't mean that they're always perfect, but it's

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the same idea as a father in a household.

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Speaker 3: Father and a household is not.

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Speaker 5: An economic unit who's in competition with his son and

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his wife. He's the head of that household, and so

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he's a king. And so I believe in the idea

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of return of kings, and I mean that in quite

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a literal sense. And that's obviously I think something far

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down the road, but I think that that's much more

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natural and much more organic, and it's the way that

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mankind has always been governed, except for these shitty situations

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where there's democracies and republics that they try to institute,

1897
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and those just just really end up being.

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Speaker 3: Way worse than any kind of monarchy or imperium.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but dude, I don't disagree with that. I just

1900
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hope that was very clear during this debate that I don't.

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Speaker 5: The whole history of capitalism arose to get rid of them.

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Speaker 3: So what do you what are you gonna do?

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01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:42,079
Speaker 7: You're gonna you're gonna You're not gonna allow your wife

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01:35:42,119 --> 01:35:44,920
to what are you gonna You're gonna force her to

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01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:52,560
do things against That's what a monarch would do. So

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you're not you're not actually in favor of monarchy. You're

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01:35:55,399 --> 01:35:58,520
you're you're actually a capitalist. You just don't understand, like

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01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:00,079
what capitalism the world believe that.

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Speaker 5: I believe that a wife has a submit to her husband.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, you're right, but you're not going to force

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her to do something against her will, are you? Because

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I'd like everyone in the audience to hear you're gonna

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say yes.

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Speaker 5: Of course not so, then so you actually there are other.

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Speaker 3: Ways to force people to do something. You can you can, you.

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Speaker 7: Know, yeah, yeah, And that's what capitalism does. Persuasion. That's

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what game theory is all about. It's the power of persuasion.

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That's what we've been trying.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm trying to communicate to you, dude. I mean,

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I don't I.

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Speaker 5: Don't see what that has anything to do with the

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01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:34,640
arguments about history that I'm making.

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Speaker 3: It has nothing to do with what I'm talking.

1924
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Speaker 5: I asked, I asked you about monarchy and the fnarchy.

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Why would I be Why would I want a monarchy?

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And I'm telling you there's there's again, there's You're just

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01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,279
ignorant of everything before seventeen hundred or sixteen hundred.

1928
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Speaker 3: It's like you think that nothing.

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Speaker 7: All I know is that if I'm not the monarch,

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I'm a serf, and I'm a serf that might as

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well be a slave.

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Speaker 3: That's not true at all, that's not true. No, But

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that someone that lives on the land.

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Speaker 5: Of the monarch's fucking revolutionary proper beaganda, dude, that's like

1935
01:37:01,239 --> 01:37:04,600
basic bitch revolutionary propaganda that you believe, and you say

1936
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you don't understand dialectics.

1937
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Speaker 3: That's the root of this. Do you know what dialectics is?

1938
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 7: Oh, I'm sorry, Hegel, Go ahead and tell me at

1939
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:11,760
what what dialectics is?

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Speaker 3: Right?

1941
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Speaker 5: So, yeah, I'm against dialectics by the way. Okay, So

1942
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,880
it calling me Hegel doesn't work because I reject Hegel

1943
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:21,680
and dialectics.

1944
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 3: So why are you bringing up electics?

1945
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 5: And then and so, all I'm saying is that capitalism

1946
01:37:27,039 --> 01:37:30,119
and communism are a classic dialectic and they both come

1947
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:31,239
out of the same lodge.

1948
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Speaker 7: So what do you call what do you call a surf?

1949
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,359
What exactly is a surf? And what is their position

1950
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:37,439
relative to the monarch?

1951
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Speaker 3: If they don't agree with the monarch? What happens?

1952
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Speaker 5: Well, there have been different kinds of societies and monarchy,

1953
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:46,920
so not everybody who disagree with the monarch was like

1954
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,359
immediately put to death. Certainly there have been tyrants, but

1955
01:37:49,399 --> 01:37:54,479
guess what, Democratic republics and republics are also tyrannical, And

1956
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:57,199
in fact, Hans Hermann Happa argues that they become more

1957
01:37:57,239 --> 01:37:59,039
tyrannical more quickly.

1958
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Speaker 3: Than I told you that.

1959
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 7: I told you that I find monarchy preferable to democracy.

1960
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Speaker 3: That's not the point. But what I'm trying to.

1961
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:07,399
Speaker 5: Tell you is to make am argument about tyrants, and

1962
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:08,960
you're saying that everybody's a surf.

1963
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Speaker 3: That's not exactly true. No.

1964
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Speaker 5: In fact, those kinds of societies lived on the basis

1965
01:38:14,199 --> 01:38:17,439
of things that were more honorable, more virtuous than a

1966
01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:18,399
society that we live.

1967
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Speaker 7: Agreed, Agreed, But that doesn't mean that it's as preferable

1968
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:27,079
as being free to do whatever you please, so long

1969
01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:29,119
as it doesn't interfere with the freedom of someone else.

1970
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that not that inna peo bullshit is retarded. Dude,

1971
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:35,399
Well ahead.

1972
01:38:35,399 --> 01:38:39,840
Speaker 5: Why I had a whole debate with with Adam Kokuesh

1973
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:43,000
on this, So you can go back to preschool and

1974
01:38:43,039 --> 01:38:45,720
go watch the Cooquchh debate if that's the level.

1975
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:46,000
Speaker 3: That you're at.

1976
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:47,119
Speaker 4: That was a good debate.

1977
01:38:47,159 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 5: I'm not going to rehash the whole fucking Coquchh.

1978
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:49,399
Speaker 3: You don't have to.

1979
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:52,079
Speaker 4: Here's a good one. Check it out.

1980
01:38:52,159 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a good one too. I mean, I

1981
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,159
think we covered all of it. I think Robert made

1982
01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:58,199
every point he wanted to make. I think Jay made

1983
01:38:58,199 --> 01:39:00,319
every point he wanted to make. So let's wrap it

1984
01:39:00,399 --> 01:39:02,520
up with Robert. Robert, it was a pleasure having you.

1985
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:07,239
We'll have you on again sometime. Best of luck with everything, Robert,

1986
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:09,560
and we'll see you again soon on America's number one

1987
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:12,439
chat cast. Robert, thanks for coming on, man, good sport,

1988
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:17,119
awesome guy. Anyways, so we got Jay in the building. Jay,

1989
01:39:17,159 --> 01:39:18,880
I want to show you something that I was gonna

1990
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:22,159
wear today, but I unfortunately couldn't because when I got

1991
01:39:22,199 --> 01:39:26,119
into this studio, I realized that I had actually a

1992
01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:28,239
stain on my Boomer shirt.

1993
01:39:28,319 --> 01:39:30,319
Speaker 1: Dude, I was gonna wear this Boomer.

1994
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,680
Speaker 2: Shirt, and I knew you were gonna be wearing a

1995
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:36,479
Boomer shirt because it's your alter ego. And I've been

1996
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:41,039
thinking about boomer bashing all month long since we had

1997
01:39:41,039 --> 01:39:41,560
that talk.

1998
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:44,159
Speaker 1: Jim Goes the best Boomer there is.

1999
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:47,399
Speaker 2: He's one of the good ones, but Boomers, I mean,

2000
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:50,399
I just now that that meme is there, I'm so

2001
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:52,399
glad it happened because it kind of reminds me of

2002
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:55,880
the Bro meme of two thousand and seven, when the

2003
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,520
Bro meme came about Bro was a stereotype and I

2004
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:00,880
was like, wow, finally, because I was seventeen at the

2005
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:03,239
time and I was a quote unquote broke during that period.

2006
01:40:03,279 --> 01:40:05,920
I was like, damn, I finally have a stereotype. I'm

2007
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:06,600
so excited.

2008
01:40:07,039 --> 01:40:08,119
Speaker 1: Bro is a meme.

2009
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,800
Speaker 2: Fast forward to twenty eighteen, Boomer becomes a meme, and

2010
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:16,119
it makes so much fucking sense because these boomers, it's alcohol,

2011
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:18,800
it's television, it's ice cream.

2012
01:40:19,039 --> 01:40:20,279
Speaker 1: They're well meaning people.

2013
01:40:20,319 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 6: And don't forget about the clothes, dude, don't forget about

2014
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:23,840
the clothes.

2015
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 2: Don't get don't get in between a boomer their television

2016
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:27,039
and ice cream.

2017
01:40:27,079 --> 01:40:29,199
Speaker 1: They will freak. They will get violent.

2018
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:31,439
Speaker 5: So I've been thinking about the grocery store and I

2019
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:34,760
was behind a boomer I'm not joking yesterday and she

2020
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:39,000
had no food, no food, but she had a row

2021
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:43,119
of like Walmart brand ice cream.

2022
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,199
Speaker 2: Oh my god, these boomers and the ice cream eating

2023
01:40:46,399 --> 01:40:47,039
ice cream.

2024
01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:48,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's out of control.

2025
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:51,399
Speaker 2: Man. So I've always I've had this boomer bashing. I

2026
01:40:51,399 --> 01:40:53,600
want to get off my chest. And I know you're

2027
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:58,199
the guy because you have pent up rage towards boomers too,

2028
01:40:58,279 --> 01:41:01,279
So I think you express it through comedy versus me.

2029
01:41:01,399 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm expressing it through just just rage. I

2030
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:07,520
want to do.

2031
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,039
Speaker 2: They know their boomers They must know their boomers, but

2032
01:41:10,079 --> 01:41:11,760
they don't know that they're a meme. They don't know

2033
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:13,880
that we were making fun of them. But when it

2034
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:16,760
when I realized that boomers, okay, a lot of them

2035
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:18,720
are wonderful people. I've said this before. I have Boomers

2036
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:22,079
in my life that I love. But the greatest generation

2037
01:41:22,199 --> 01:41:25,640
truly was the greatest generation. My papa was a fucking engineer,

2038
01:41:26,119 --> 01:41:31,239
veteran chemist at twenty seven, right, with like six kids, right.

2039
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:34,399
And then after the Greatest generation came the boomers, and

2040
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:37,000
it took a while for us to realize how good

2041
01:41:37,079 --> 01:41:39,920
they really had it, you know what I mean. But

2042
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:42,960
you know, what are we gonna do about these boomers?

2043
01:41:43,079 --> 01:41:44,359
Speaker 1: Jay, what are we gonna do?

2044
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 3: Oh?

2045
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 1: My god, we can't go that far.

2046
01:41:50,039 --> 01:41:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but boomers, I mean, they're just gonna watch TV.

2047
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 1: They love TV. They really do love television. They love

2048
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:57,279
them some cable television. And I think they're going to

2049
01:41:57,359 --> 01:41:58,359
live a life of bliss.

2050
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 2: Because even when I put on my boomer shirt, I'm like, Wow,

2051
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:01,960
I feel so carefree.

2052
01:42:02,279 --> 01:42:04,520
Speaker 1: Who gives a ship rock concert this weekend?

2053
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:04,960
Speaker 3: Fuck?

2054
01:42:05,039 --> 01:42:07,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean, love it.

2055
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:09,880
Speaker 2: I just want to put on some boomer tunes and

2056
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:11,880
go fishing when I wear that shirt, my boomer shirt,

2057
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:12,760
you know machines.

2058
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:14,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Jay, you.

2059
01:42:14,399 --> 01:42:16,119
Speaker 5: Could have worn it with the stain that would have

2060
01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:16,920
been appropriate.

2061
01:42:17,039 --> 01:42:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I's think of that too, because I was like,

2062
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:21,000
if this there's a stain on his boomer shirt, that's even.

2063
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 4: More boomery visible.

2064
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could do it, but I could do it

2065
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:25,680
through the whole stream.

2066
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:30,640
Speaker 2: But anyways, So, Jay, the Warski chapter of your life

2067
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:32,399
is over, and I'm super excited for you because, in

2068
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:34,760
my opinion, you saved that show. When jaf left they

2069
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:38,520
needed an intellectual or Warski needed an intellectual. I listened

2070
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:41,720
to the Ethan Ralph stream. Everything is civil between you guys,

2071
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,159
which is positive, which is super cool because everybody's kind

2072
01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:47,000
of over this, you know, people counter signaling and people

2073
01:42:47,039 --> 01:42:49,319
dissing each other just for the dopamine rush. We know

2074
01:42:49,399 --> 01:42:53,760
dopaminees a factor, and if you're beefing online, dopamine's a factor.

2075
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:54,560
Speaker 4: Sure, you know.

2076
01:42:56,119 --> 01:42:59,439
Speaker 2: So we got from the stream with Ethan Routh that

2077
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,600
you know, Andy's going to concentrate more on video games

2078
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:04,880
and pornography.

2079
01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:04,720
Speaker 1: And things like that.

2080
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:07,479
Speaker 2: You're gonna more so focus on your esoteric Hollywood stuff

2081
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:09,640
and everybody is happy pretty much, right.

2082
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:13,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'm not sure what Andy's gonna do

2083
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:16,119
in terms of where he wants to take things. I mean,

2084
01:43:16,199 --> 01:43:18,279
I do a whole bunch of things and always have so,

2085
01:43:18,359 --> 01:43:20,640
I do a globless book lecture series, I have a

2086
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:23,439
subscription service. I do all the stuff that I do,

2087
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:24,840
and I'm going to continue doing that, and I was

2088
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,720
never gonna quit doing that. But you know, we just

2089
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:30,960
weren't having the same reactions that we were hoping for

2090
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:34,359
in terms of audience reception. So you know, I'm fine

2091
01:43:34,399 --> 01:43:38,720
with saying that Andy's audience didn't like me, and it

2092
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:39,960
was actually you know, I was the one who went

2093
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,439
to Andy first and I said, hey, man, I just

2094
01:43:41,439 --> 01:43:42,359
don't know that your.

2095
01:43:42,239 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 3: Audience is feeling my vibe.

2096
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:45,560
Speaker 5: And he said, yeah, I was going to tell you

2097
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:49,239
that I don't really think it's working. So you know,

2098
01:43:49,279 --> 01:43:52,399
I'll be I'm always down to go on Worsky Live

2099
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:54,880
and do his streams, but I felt like, if Andy

2100
01:43:55,279 --> 01:43:58,239
I don't want to be there, If Andy wants his

2101
01:43:58,399 --> 01:44:00,039
channel to do something else.

2102
01:44:00,039 --> 01:44:02,119
Speaker 1: Go on a different direction, right more video games, I'm just.

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Speaker 5: Not a good fit for it, then there's no point

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in continuing to do it. I had a lot of fun.

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I thought we had great content. But I mean, if

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I'm going to bring Syrian girl on and we're going

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to have a killer.

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Speaker 3: Show, she's hot, and there's a thousand people that.

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Speaker 5: Are gonna thumb it down in his audience, wow, there's

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no point.

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Speaker 6: They have a large part of that audience that's very

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difficult to please, and that's Worsky's burden.

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Speaker 3: I think, hmm, interesting, that's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 5: I mean a lot of a lot of that audience

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is millennial gamers, and if you're not just doing dick

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jokes all day, they don't give a shit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I see Worsky more going into the pot the pornography.

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That's more of his lifestyle. I think we're you're more

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of an author, somebody we really really enjoy on this show.

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Speaker 4: At jasonallisis dot com.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he signed up today, didn't you.

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Speaker 4: I was going I came here, but I'll sign up tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Actual.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 6: Be a subscriber. I just appreciate they for all this.

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I just listened to all your your past.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been studying up your stuff too. And another

2129
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thing is that I want to be like the Jay

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Dyer of hip hop. I wrote a book back in

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twenty sixteen and it didn't do so great. It was

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similar to what you were talking about on a different stream.

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I was listening to where you write it, and then

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like a year rate.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: A year later I read it and I'm like, this

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is trash. I've gotten so much fucking better. This is

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fucking trash. I got so angry. And then what happened

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with me is the book is called Barter seven. It's

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the Conspiracy to Assassinate Little Wayne. I'm going to rework

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the title, rework the cover a little bit. Basically, in

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April of twenty fifteen, Little Wayne's tour bus was shot at.

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The person who shot out his bus was a man

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named Jimmy Winfrey, a close associate of Birdman, which is

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Lil wayne surrogate father. So what I hope to the

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book is called Barter seven, and I've hired hired an

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editor and we're working on it every day. It's gonna

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be fucking awesome. It's gonna be really funny because the

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characters in the book, it's all real. The characters in

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the book are so ridiculous. That's it's just gonna make

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people laugh out loud and things like that.

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Speaker 4: So you're gonna be the esotery kip hop guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I want to do, well one of

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my books.

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Speaker 2: I'm working on three books right now, so that's happening.

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I'm pretty excited about that. I wanted to mention that

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it's gonna be really funny to this book. It's gonna

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be really really funny.

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Speaker 5: Are you writing like a essays or are you doing

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like a fiction story version of it?

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Speaker 1: It's nonfiction.

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Speaker 2: I'm giving you the real story, the real facts, the

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real quotes.

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Speaker 1: I've watched fucking.

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Speaker 2: Every Little Wayne interview, every young Thug interview, freaking every

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Birdman interview, a little autobiography like I'm gonna tell you

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about my experience as a fan, where you know, Lil

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Wayne surrogate father tried to essentially off him or hired

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somebody to off him. So it's a lot. You know,

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it's gonna be a lot. It's a very difficult book

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to write, so that's why it was so hard to

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write the first time. So it's gonna be really, really,

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really cool. Though it's coming out probably August I'm really

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really excited about that. But Jay, are you gonna are

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you gonna drop a mixtape with the boomer tune?

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Speaker 1: You got the Rasta tune. I mean, you're like four

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or five songs away from a legitimate mixtape. It's not

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a bad idea.

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Speaker 2: Like, honestly, it would be a really good troll to

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like put out a mixtape, you know what I mean,

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just to see how it does, because all your fans.

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Speaker 5: Are going to redo them and do them a little more,

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you know, better quality because I kind of do a

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sam Hi bad on purpose type thing. Yeah, but they

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01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,880
could be redone and a little more, a little better

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quality in d mixtape.

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Speaker 3: That's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really good idea.

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Speaker 2: But Jay, you will always have a home on America's

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number one Chad cast. You are a certified chat You're

2191
01:47:37,319 --> 01:47:42,479
gonna get your certification in the mail soon. Yeah, with

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the diploma and all that, it's gonna be really great.

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So Jay, talk to you against soon, my man. Always

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a pleasure having you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Man, thanks for having a great debate.