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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to plod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau, I'm John Lovett.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tommy ety I'm back, guys, Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>today's show, Lindsey Graham is dead and Mitch McConnell is alive.

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<v Speaker 3>Republican's agenda in Congress. We'll also get into Trump's latest

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<v Speaker 2>Then love it talk that's not about your vacation.

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<v Speaker 3>Sort yeah, I was gonna say, see if you can

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<v Speaker 3>Brian Tyler Cohen about his brand new book The Day

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<v Speaker 3>After Had a Wheeld Power in a post Trump world.

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<v Speaker 3>Fun to fantasize. Okay, Brian, all right, but first let's

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<v Speaker 3>get to the top story this week. It appears as

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<v Speaker 3>though the ceasefire with Iran fell apart last week while

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<v Speaker 3>I was gone, and now we're back to full scale war.

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<v Speaker 3>Rip the MoU of Versailles. Trump officially notified Congress that

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<v Speaker 3>military action has resumed. He also says he's reinstating the

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<v Speaker 3>naval blockade of Iranian ports and that quote the USA

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<v Speaker 3>will be from this point forward known as the Guardian

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<v Speaker 3>of the Horror moves straight. Really rolls off the tongue.

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<v Speaker 1>Just say Guardian the horrm mos straight.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how they always wanted to be. USA was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of boring. What do you call it? The Guardian of

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<v Speaker 3>the Horror moves straight?

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<v Speaker 2>Not the first time an agreement signed it Versailles after

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<v Speaker 2>a war ended poorly, hopefully not as badly as the

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<v Speaker 2>last time.

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<v Speaker 3>Good job, Jade Vance, good job, Yeah, really nailed it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're also apparently going to start charging a twenty percent

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<v Speaker 3>toll on all cargo that goes through the Strait, according

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<v Speaker 3>to Trump, which seems like it's a violation of international law.

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<v Speaker 3>That's according to Marc or Rubio last month.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, taking Master's like why so little, Yeah, they're just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get their beaks wet.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and the Rubio isn't just like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>is legal. It would be a contagion that would spread

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, looking forward to him talking about that now. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 3>Iran continues to fire off rockets at US targets across

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<v Speaker 3>the Middle East and openly threatened venge on America. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>not to worry. Trump's got this whole thing under control here.

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<v Speaker 3>He is calling into Fox and Friends this morning.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to keep the straight and we'll probably run it.

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<v Speaker 4>Will become the Guardian of the Strait. Maybe we'll call

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<v Speaker 4>it the Guardian Angel of the Strait, and we should

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<v Speaker 4>be reimbursed for that. Obama was the worst of all,

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<v Speaker 4>because Obama actually went to their side. Obama, because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>he's a well let's not say, let's let's not say,

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<v Speaker 4>let's leave that for another time.

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<v Speaker 3>Muslim is that what he was going to say, socialist

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<v Speaker 3>social trader, socialist foreigner or something of that in that

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<v Speaker 1>He's such a dick.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me how feasible do you think it is for

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<v Speaker 3>the US to become the Guardian Angel slash toll booth

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<v Speaker 3>operator for the Straight.

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<v Speaker 1>Of hor Moves paging Curtis Sliwa, Right, Guardian Angels? Could

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<v Speaker 1>we stand up a mission to permanently escort boats to

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<v Speaker 1>the Straight of hor Moves? Yes, they could do a

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<v Speaker 1>formal escort mission. It would require a lot of navy resources.

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<v Speaker 1>It could last a long time, maybe permanently, definitely a

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<v Speaker 1>perpetuity aid another forever war everybody. It would cost a

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<v Speaker 1>because again it's a thirty kilometer choke point and iron

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<v Speaker 1>can hit you with drones, missiles, naval minds, god knows

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<v Speaker 1>what else, and you know, the whole thing unravels if

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<v Speaker 1>one gets through. So I don't think that a permanent

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<v Speaker 1>escort mission is going to get you back to pre

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<v Speaker 1>war shipping traffic levels because there's like limitations on how

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<v Speaker 1>many you know, navy destroyers you have. Fewer companies are

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<v Speaker 1>going to want to try this because it is inherently

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<v Speaker 1>more risky, and then a lot of companies are not

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<v Speaker 1>going to pay a twenty percent surcharge.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's a pretty big.

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<v Speaker 1>Big on the on the shipping fee. So my guess

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<v Speaker 1>is that this is an empty threat designed to create

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<v Speaker 1>leverage from the White House and they'll probably walk the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing back in a couple of days. I just

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<v Speaker 1>can't see how that this will actually get implemented. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember the last time Muhammad bin Salmon, the Saudis were like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not using our airspace, You're not doing an escort mission.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you even talking about? And then I saw

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<v Speaker 1>did you see the what? New York Post reported that

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<v Speaker 1>the White Ust is calling this latest operation Operation Bitch Slap.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's is that a joke?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's official.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's very heg Sethian to me, But it suggests

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<v Speaker 1>that they've viewed sort of what's happenings as a time

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<v Speaker 1>limited and temporary battle with the Iranians.

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<v Speaker 3>Also feels like just a way to try to get attention.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like it's like he's trying to act up heg

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<v Speaker 3>Seth And they've named all the other missions and they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't get enough attention, so now we're just going to

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<v Speaker 3>bitch slap.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this was This is someone on background for what

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<v Speaker 1>it's worth, but it feels hegg Sathian. There's also a

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<v Speaker 1>great Water Journal piece about how there's some poorly worded

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<v Speaker 1>language in the ceasefire MoU that's being interpreted by Iran

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<v Speaker 1>as meaning they now controlled the strait. So great work,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, Jadie Vance, Steve Wikoff, and Jared Kushner,

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<v Speaker 1>like just big picture. It's just worth remembering this was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a four to five week operation to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with Iran's nuclear program, and now we're well over

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<v Speaker 1>four months and we're talking about how to reopen the

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just would add one thing to your list of

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<v Speaker 2>reasons that this is not a good idea. One other

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<v Speaker 2>would be that it is not traditionally in the conception

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<v Speaker 2>of Americans the role of the US military to be

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<v Speaker 2>the permanent security detail for oil anchors moving through the Gulf,

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<v Speaker 2>to protect the investment of large multinational corporations and the

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure by which they trans transmit.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why we got to take a cut love it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>what I was just doing some math on this. About

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<v Speaker 3>twenty million barrels a day go through go through the

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<v Speaker 3>straight at it usually eighty dollars a barrel. That's three

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and twenty million dollars a day.

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<v Speaker 2>The it really did remind me Trump saying we're gonna look,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to stop these Iranians from trying to charge

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<v Speaker 2>a toll for people moving this straight over moose and

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<v Speaker 2>as a as a consequence, we are going to charge

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<v Speaker 2>a toll for moving through this strade and muses. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's this episode of Sopranos where this port gardener is

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<v Speaker 2>stuck between a war between Fislamana and Polly Walnuts and

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<v Speaker 2>he just gets the ever loving shit beat out of

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<v Speaker 2>it over at the end of it, Polly Walnuts is like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna pay me, and I did you a favor,

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<v Speaker 2>I protected you from the other guy, and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have to do some ones for free. That's Trump with this,

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<v Speaker 2>And they're like like the that that meme of the

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<v Speaker 2>you know the our you know, our our our blessed

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<v Speaker 2>ships there barbarous and they're barbarous murderers and it's like

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<v Speaker 2>our blessed protection services, your barbarous protection racket.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw the Iranians. One of them like tweeted out, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you're right, someone needs to control and like,

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<v Speaker 3>but we're gonna do it for much less.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Hey, Ron, are you guys a better deal than Trump?

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<v Speaker 3>Let me get you into the straight. I'll only take

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<v Speaker 3>ten percent. I'll get you through the straight and ten

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<v Speaker 3>percent stupid. It seems to me like Trump's chances of

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<v Speaker 3>negotiating that MoU into a long term deal with Iran

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<v Speaker 3>may have dropped precipitously over the over the last week

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<v Speaker 3>or so. But I don't know, what do you think, Tommy?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>The Wall Street Journals reported that the Trump administration thinks

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<v Speaker 1>a nuclear deal is increasingly unlikely. I wonder why they

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<v Speaker 1>would think that, you know, if you can't kind of

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<v Speaker 1>do abide by the sixty day MoU, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna get them into a more complicated nuclear deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I feel like when we first talked about this,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about the fact that there's like a fundamental problem,

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<v Speaker 2>which is that the two circles of the ven diagram

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<v Speaker 2>don't overlap because Donald Trump can't accept a deal that's

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<v Speaker 2>not demonstrably better than the Obama deal, but the only

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<v Speaker 2>deal that will ever be on offer is one that's

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<v Speaker 2>demonstrably worse, right, And everything about that MoU is about

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<v Speaker 2>kicking the can on that fundamental problem, and all the

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<v Speaker 2>ups and downs, like we have a deal, we have

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<v Speaker 2>an embass These people are bastards who can't work with

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<v Speaker 2>I've never met more reliable partners. Like all of it

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<v Speaker 2>has been a kind of like high dudgeon dramatic Trump

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<v Speaker 2>show on top of like the fundamentals which have been

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<v Speaker 2>terrible from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and the Trump administration was betting that they could

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<v Speaker 1>offer around a bunch of economic incentives and get them

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<v Speaker 1>to not want to go back to war. But for

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<v Speaker 1>a run, they're like, we just survived a war against

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<v Speaker 1>the US in Israel. This is our moment to like

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<v Speaker 1>assert our dominance over the entire region. And they're betting

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump doesn't want to go back to war before

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<v Speaker 1>the midterms. And I think they are right because Trump

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<v Speaker 1>tells us as much all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>So Trump did a little interview with Tommy your friend

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<v Speaker 3>Hugh hewittt I caught that you see that. So hw

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<v Speaker 3>had ask them, do you plan to oust the Iranian regime?

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<v Speaker 3>And Trump says, well, I think they're a little cuckoo.

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<v Speaker 3>They all are. To them, deals are made to be broken.

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<v Speaker 3>They're extremely unreliable people. Hugh, was the MoU that your

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<v Speaker 6>To fall apart.

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<v Speaker 3>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Trump?

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<v Speaker 3>Trump says, it was built to test. It was a test.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't know. Memorandums of understanding when you're dealing with

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<v Speaker 3>sleeze bags don't mean much. It is like to your

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<v Speaker 3>how many times was Trump like this new group of people,

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<v Speaker 3>they're so reasonable, we can make deals with them. Jd

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<v Speaker 3>Vance is out there being like, it's really cool for

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<v Speaker 3>the first time in forty seven years that we have

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<v Speaker 3>all these channels to the Iranians and they just want

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the friends we make along the way, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the Hughes setup question, it's like, is it possible, mister president,

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<v Speaker 2>that things are going exactly as you plan?

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<v Speaker 6>Why?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Hugh, I think they might be. I think you're right,

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<v Speaker 5>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, I noticed that trumpet NATO was like, we've already

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<v Speaker 3>got the nuclear material. Because it's so far under ground,

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<v Speaker 3>So why did we go to war in the first place.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't the whole point to get the nuclear material.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna drive yourself crazy trying to find any sort

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<v Speaker 1>of internal logic. Yeah, and he's calling it the nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>dust now because it's it's so stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>It is funny that the MoU It formalized the ceasefire.

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<v Speaker 3>That's gone, it ended, the blockade, blockheade's back reopened, the

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<v Speaker 3>street of hor moves closed again, sanctions relief, oil waiver

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<v Speaker 3>that's gone now, and now a sixty day' clock to

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<v Speaker 3>negotiate the permanent deal. That's August sixteenth. We are well

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<v Speaker 3>on our way. Yeah, good stuff, good stuff, Well done everyone,

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<v Speaker 3>before we move on. I kind of missed this when

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<v Speaker 3>I was gone, the story about the Iranians, the Israelis

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<v Speaker 3>giving the US intelligence that the Iranians are trying to

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<v Speaker 3>kill Trump again. What's going on there?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well apparently they did that. They did, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they the Iranians. Apparently the Israeli's passed along intelligence to

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<v Speaker 1>the US claiming that Trump was on there's some new

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<v Speaker 1>effort to assassinate him. And Trump went and bragged to

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<v Speaker 1>the press about how he's like number one on the

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<v Speaker 1>Iranian hit list, and that maybe is why he switched

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<v Speaker 1>from the old Air Force one to the new Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force one on the way home. We're gonna talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this later. Yeah, but also maybe why you started bombing again.

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<v Speaker 2>So I Trump be pretty piss if Jad Bets keeps

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<v Speaker 2>talking about how cool Iranians are, if I would a

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<v Speaker 2>stop last time there was that much daylight between two

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<v Speaker 2>members of a mob family, Corleone gets shot outside that

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<v Speaker 2>fucking orange stand, It's like, don't be a little too

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<v Speaker 3>Guys did make me feel too, like the like Israeli

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<v Speaker 3>intelligence meant, Yeah, it was probably like, oh, not bombing

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<v Speaker 3>enough lately. See see they're trying to kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just such a mark, like, of course they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to kill you. Man, you killed Costom Solilani and then

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<v Speaker 1>you bombed their country for like a month, So I

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<v Speaker 1>like you now, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Democrats and Congress haven't really had the ability to reign

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<v Speaker 3>in Trump and Iran, though they may have a chance.

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<v Speaker 3>This week. Brian Shott said he's voting no on the

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<v Speaker 3>annual Defense Bill known as the NDAA, citing Trump's request

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<v Speaker 3>for a fifty percent increase at the Defense Department. This

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<v Speaker 3>is separate. This is an addition to the extra sixty

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<v Speaker 3>seven billion I think in funding that haig Set's asking

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<v Speaker 3>for by August and a separate supplemental bill. You guys

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<v Speaker 3>think every Democrat will see this is an easy call,

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<v Speaker 3>like shots.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they won't. I mean maybe they should, but they won't.

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<v Speaker 2>First so this is not appropriations as an authorization, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So this is about how the Congress is directing money

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<v Speaker 2>to be spent, but it doesn't actually appropriate the money.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a separate process for reasons. That makes sense if you,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, roll call on the toilet, but as

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<v Speaker 2>many as many great Americans do. But where else you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna read it?

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<v Speaker 6>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>But I wonder because so it's had similar debates in

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<v Speaker 2>the past about holding something up that actually includes the

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<v Speaker 2>reforms that Democrats want, Right, so there is an argument

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<v Speaker 2>that you continue to have this pass with a huge supermajority.

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<v Speaker 2>It also raises incomes for the troops, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It has some reforms that Democrats want, and yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>should say that everything's in here, everything's in there. So Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 2>like the whole Defense Department strategy everything for the whole

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<v Speaker 2>year and not passing it doesn't hamstring the administration to

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<v Speaker 2>fight the war at all because it's not actually authorizing

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<v Speaker 2>any it's not actually appropriating any money. It's just a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of proving how money can be spent. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you have a fight that's coming over the supplemental, which

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<v Speaker 2>was which is what hag Seth really wants and Trump

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<v Speaker 2>really wants? Which is I think to me, I look

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<v Speaker 2>at the Senate. Everybody know on fucking everything they fought

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<v Speaker 2>out fucking insane, stupid war that's hamsterring the global economy

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<v Speaker 2>without any kind of justification. But the appropriations are the

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<v Speaker 2>is the money he needs and is the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the what I would say is like the real back

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<v Speaker 2>end authorization of the conflict.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it seems like if it seems like the reason

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<v Speaker 3>to target this one, even over the appropriations is the

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<v Speaker 3>is you could probably do a supplemental. If they do this,

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<v Speaker 3>it would be a reconciliation. Bills soon only need fifty

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<v Speaker 3>one votes, and this it seems like they need the

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<v Speaker 3>full This is not a fifty one vote margin. This

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<v Speaker 3>is the so Democrats probably have if they all banded together,

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<v Speaker 3>they have the votes to black ops.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but nothing about not passing this prevents them from

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<v Speaker 2>doing the propriate Look, I'm just this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>something that traditionally passes like eighty twenty, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>creat like you know, huge majority because it's for a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the broad support of the military and all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of rules that they've been trying to fight for.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think the status like the Congress has passed

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<v Speaker 1>an NAAA every year for I think sixty plus years,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is usually a thing they get done in

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<v Speaker 1>a bipartisan fashion. I do like this authorizes one point

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<v Speaker 1>one five trillion. I think there's going to be another

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<v Speaker 1>request for up to three hundred and fifty billions. So

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<v Speaker 1>for one point five trillion total, which is what Trump wants,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what Trump wants, which is an insane amount of money.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a forty two percent increase on current levels, which

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<v Speaker 1>is just not necessary or justified or in her interest.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was some polling that a recent poll found

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<v Speaker 1>sixty percent of Americans think that that budget request is

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<v Speaker 1>too high, and the majorities think the Iran war was

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<v Speaker 1>done and unnecessary, And they probably won't be thrilled if

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<v Speaker 1>they were to learn that it's ramping back up again.

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<v Speaker 1>So I like me think this is easy though for me.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a lot of Democrats, so I think we'll

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of must memory that says voting against

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<v Speaker 1>all of the underlying things within this bill and voting

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<v Speaker 1>against authorizing pedagon spending is bad politics for them. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a dated view of politics in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think that's why you'll see majorities vote for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a view among them. I'm sure that it's

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<v Speaker 3>bad politics for sort of the reasons you're getting at,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like week on national security not supporting the troops.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also like a bad local politics angle. Like Slotkin

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<v Speaker 3>was asked about it and she said, oh, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>tough vote specifically because it includes like you know, money

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<v Speaker 3>for a new hangar at Selfridge Air National Guard Base

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<v Speaker 3>or stan So you can imagine that there's a number

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<v Speaker 3>of Democrats like that. But I do think, Look, I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's meaningful that shots who's you know, in line

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<v Speaker 3>to be in leadership here is saying that he's voting no,

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<v Speaker 3>and that they voted the Democrats voted no and committee,

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know. I think at this point Trump

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<v Speaker 3>is continuing to fight this war and nothing is stopping him.

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<v Speaker 3>And you might as well throw everything you have at

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<v Speaker 3>So Republicans will have a tougher time passing anything through

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<v Speaker 3>the Senate right now, since they're currently dealing with two absences,

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<v Speaker 3>Lindsey Graham, who died suddenly over the weekend, and Mitch McConnell,

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<v Speaker 3>who is apparently still very much alive. Graham was seventy

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<v Speaker 3>one and died Saturday night from what's being reported as

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<v Speaker 3>an aortic dissection. Axios reports that a person who had

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<v Speaker 3>spoken with Graham said the senator complained he wasn't feeling well,

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<v Speaker 3>but didn't want to seek medical attention until after his

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<v Speaker 3>Meet the Press appearance the next morning, Graham apparently joked, quote,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't die now. I still need to do the

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<v Speaker 3>Russia sanctions, get around sorted out, and do Israeli Saudi normalization.

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<v Speaker 3>South Carolina Governor Henry McMaster has appointed Graham's sister, Darlene,

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<v Speaker 3>to serve out the remaining months of his term. He

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<v Speaker 3>was up this November, and Trump, of course, offered a

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<v Speaker 3>touching tribute to the senator during his Fox and Friends phoner.

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<v Speaker 3>As one does.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a friend. He would call me all the time,

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<v Speaker 4>just I'd say, stop calling me, Lindsey. He was a

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<v Speaker 4>great guy. He loved loved playing golf, loved being outside.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't that he was a great striker of the ball.

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<v Speaker 4>It was it wasn't exactly a perfect It wasn't Jack Nicholas.

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<v Speaker 4>He was not Tiger. Now. He had one bad moment

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<v Speaker 4>and that was, you know, in the January sixth. Then

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<v Speaker 4>when he stood up all right, now I've had it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's it. I can't do it anymore. Then he called

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<v Speaker 4>me like about forty minutes later, he did, did I

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<v Speaker 4>really say that? I can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>So he called me too much, he was a bad golfer.

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<v Speaker 3>He betrayed me, then said just kidding. And he did

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<v Speaker 3>like being outside, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is also what you say at the funeral for

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<v Speaker 2>a golden retriever, love the ball, loved being outside. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's just incredible, bark too much, cant me up at night. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But but a sweetheart in the end, like a girl oyle.

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<v Speaker 1>A guy who is semingly Donald Trump's best friend in

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<v Speaker 1>Congress dies and he calls into Fox News and you

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<v Speaker 1>just can't help but make it entirely about himself. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not surprising in any way. It's just it's a

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<v Speaker 1>reminder of who he is.

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<v Speaker 3>Lindsay Graham's legacy. What will it be?

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<v Speaker 1>How about it?

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<v Speaker 2>So? I remember when I was working for Hillary Clinton.

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<v Speaker 2>She had just come back from a trip to the

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<v Speaker 2>Arctic with no symbad. I don't believe he was on

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<v Speaker 2>that trip with Lindsay Graham, John McCain, Susan Collins. And

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<v Speaker 2>that was at a time when Lindsey Graham was vociferous

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<v Speaker 2>around climate change. He was trying to figure out how

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<v Speaker 2>to get the GOP to change on climate change. She

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<v Speaker 2>did a cap and Trade Bill with John Kerry, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you fast forward to Donald Trump being president and

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<v Speaker 2>he's trying to claw back the Inflation Reduction Act money

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<v Speaker 2>that went towards electric vehicles. On immigration, he works with

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<v Speaker 2>Ted Kennedy to write the Comprehensive Immigration Bill. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a staunch advocate for comprehensive immigration reform. Then you fast

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<v Speaker 2>forward to the Trump era. He is not only against

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of comprehensive proposal, he's against helping the Dreamers,

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<v Speaker 2>and he comes out in favor of ending birthright citizenship

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously supports Donald Trump and his draconian immigration policy.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, you know, you look at like there was

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<v Speaker 2>an interview that I thought was revealing where he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm going to do what Mitt Romney couldn't do,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to do what McCain couldn't do. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to harness the magic. You know, there's a dark

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<v Speaker 2>side to Donald Trump, but there's a magic, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the one to harness it. Right, And

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<v Speaker 2>now he's dead, and you look and say, well, what

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<v Speaker 2>did you harness?

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<v Speaker 6>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what'd you harness? What'd you get for your magic?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Trump got everything he wanted right, he got his immigration policies,

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<v Speaker 2>he abandoned any kind of effort to tackle climate change.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose you got a war with Iran. Maybe there's

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<v Speaker 2>an argument that you've slowed the abandonment of NATO. But

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<v Speaker 2>here we are and he's threatening Greenland. You're begging him

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<v Speaker 2>to do what he can for Ukraine, which is is

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<v Speaker 2>not in So you know, Lindsay Graham sold his soul

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<v Speaker 2>to try, I think, to stay relevant and to and

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<v Speaker 2>then generously, I think, to try uh to turn Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump as away from his quote dark side. And the

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<v Speaker 2>end result is Lindsay Graham is the one who uh

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<v Speaker 2>became a kind of sad and pathetic vassal. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a cautionary tale about what happens if

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<v Speaker 1>you're in DC too long and you get caught up

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<v Speaker 1>and like care about the wrong stuff and like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't know Lindsay grab I've never met him.

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<v Speaker 1>People say he was nice and charming and kind, like

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<v Speaker 1>he was nice to his sister who their parents passed away.

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<v Speaker 1>He raised his sister right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Who we love. We loved Darlene, and we think Darlene

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<v Speaker 2>has incredible judgment and she's coming in. It's a hard job,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is somebody who has her own head on

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<v Speaker 2>her shoulders and she's not gonna get bullied by a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of these Republicans and Donald Trump. She's gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>what she knows is right for the people in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 5>That out loud.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're hoping she's a secret liberal. It would not

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<v Speaker 1>be funny if she was just a secret liberal. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be a great choice came in. Anyway, what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting at is like, there's people who think that

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<v Speaker 1>he is kind of like a throwback to a better

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<v Speaker 1>and more collegial time in DC. And maybe that's true,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, But like, I think the defining quot about

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<v Speaker 1>Lindsay Graham is what he said to Mark Leebovich in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen in this New York Times magazine piece, because

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<v Speaker 1>Marcus pressing him, like, how do you go from being

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's biggest hater to like desperate to be in his

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<v Speaker 1>inner circle? And Graham says, to try to be relevant,

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<v Speaker 1>And he also said, I've never been called this much

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<v Speaker 1>by a president in my life. It's weird and it's flattering,

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<v Speaker 1>and it creates some opportunity, and I just I found

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<v Speaker 1>that to be so sad, because this is a man who,

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of his coronesty, he credit for honesty.

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<v Speaker 1>But he went from being defined. He defined relevance for

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<v Speaker 1>himself as first being John McCain's sidekick and then being

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump's sidekick. And he just didn't care about the

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<v Speaker 1>cognitive dissidence that came along with the two or the

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<v Speaker 1>vile things that Trump said about his best friend.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you ticked through all like the policy area

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<v Speaker 1>as well, like the thing it seems like he got

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<v Speaker 1>policy wise was a war with Iran, so congrats on that.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, you know, the other thing he thinks, he

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be excited that he got was sixty three

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<v Speaker 1>appearances Unmeet the Press, and there would have been a

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four sixty four the Sunday. And it's such an

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<v Speaker 1>ephemeral definition of relevance, but it's also such an indictment

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<v Speaker 1>of the DC establishment press that this man is a

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<v Speaker 1>fixture on these shows because he's primarily booked on these

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<v Speaker 1>shows to advocate for starting a war somewhere. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, look, I'm not attacking him personally, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's like what you don't want to be in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you want to stand for something, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to be cared about something, you want to do something

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<v Speaker 1>for people, and not just be relevant.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, people's motivations are complex. And when you

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<v Speaker 3>talk about to a reporter like he did about wanting

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<v Speaker 3>to stay relevant, the generous interpretation there is Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 3>is the president, and this is where my party is,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I'm going to try to be relevant to

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<v Speaker 3>sort of get my policy preferences, you know, move forward

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<v Speaker 3>in any way that I can. There's also the less

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<v Speaker 3>generous reading of staying relevant is like I want to

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<v Speaker 3>be in the mix. I like being close to power.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, Peter Baker had a story about him

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<v Speaker 3>as well, and he recalls running into Graham outside of

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<v Speaker 3>a restaurant in d C. And Graham was on the

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<v Speaker 3>phone with Trump at that point, and he gets off

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<v Speaker 3>the phone and he says to Peter about Trump, He's

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<v Speaker 3>a lying motherfucker. Mister Graham allowed with the shrug, but

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<v Speaker 3>also said, quote a lot of fun to hang out with.

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Trump, he said, was so dominant within the party

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<v Speaker 3>that he could do almost anything with impunity. Quote, he

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<v Speaker 3>could kill fifty people on our side, and it wouldn't matter,

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<v Speaker 3>mister Graham observed, Honestly, that is a pretty accurate, honest

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<v Speaker 3>assessment of Donald Trump and Lindsay Graham's relationship with Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>which is he's a lying motherfucker. But I'm sure Graham

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<v Speaker 3>had a lot of fun, but he takes me golfing

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<v Speaker 3>hanging out with That's literally what it is. And that

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<v Speaker 3>was by the way, you know, this story mentions this

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<v Speaker 3>as well, that like John McCain and Lindsey Graham, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>had a falling out over this towards the end of

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<v Speaker 3>John McCain's life. And John McCain was like, why do

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<v Speaker 3>you have to golf so.

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<v Speaker 4>Much with it?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I get why you might want to be trying

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<v Speaker 3>to like push him in the right direction here and there,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is the first term. Of course, He's like,

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<v Speaker 3>but why are you golfing so much with him? And

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<v Speaker 3>you know that was sort of a sad fooling up.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe a little jealous. You know, he's like, oh, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you've made new friends at college, you know, and now

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<v Speaker 2>you're not hanging out with the whole crew. Hells Just

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<v Speaker 2>like it just speaks to.

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<v Speaker 1>The power of personal politics and like he's nice to me.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of people that know better about Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>who are smart, who know he's doing bad things for

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<v Speaker 1>the country, who are like offended by ice raids or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>but are like, well, he was nice to me that

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<v Speaker 1>one time, and I think, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, it's like, of course, like I believe that Donald

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<v Speaker 3>Trump can be unbelievably charming to people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've fallen for that myself, you know, but it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yes, people, the amount Trump too, like John Thune

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<v Speaker 2>gave a speech, was clearly like I'm like surprised and

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<v Speaker 2>devastated by the loss of Lindsagram. People that like Lindsa

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<v Speaker 2>Gram really like Lindsey Gram charming, funny. That kind of

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<v Speaker 2>politics is hard in an era when someone like Trump

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<v Speaker 2>is president, And it's like beyond just the way in

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<v Speaker 2>which he kind of flipped on Trump, like the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of politics he seemed to like, which was personal and

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00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of making deals and joking around, right, Like it

631
00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:14.200
<v Speaker 2>is a democratic practice, but when one of the people

632
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>you're working with attacks the legitimacy of the other party

633
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>undermines democracy is like hostile to like it tries to

634
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:27.400
<v Speaker 2>prosecute his enemies, Like the jokes don't work, It doesn't

635
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.079
<v Speaker 2>doesn't make sense anymore, like the kind of the thing

636
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>that you think you're doing or actually not doing anymore

637
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:36.160
<v Speaker 2>because you're practicing, I do think, like genuinely like practicing

638
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:38.480
<v Speaker 2>what you view as the best way you do democracy

639
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>in a with a with a with a collaborator who

640
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.839
<v Speaker 2>actually doesn't believe in it at all, and like all

641
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:48.319
<v Speaker 2>the people lamenting the end of the era like the

642
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:50.920
<v Speaker 2>era of John McCain and Lindsay Graham and that kind

643
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 2>of like I don't know, like raucous bipartisanship where you

644
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.839
<v Speaker 2>mixed it up and argued, And then Lindsay Graham writes

645
00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:59.640
<v Speaker 2>the tribute to Hillary Clinton in Time magazine, like if

646
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>that's the kind of politics you're wanting, then the enemy

647
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:06.480
<v Speaker 2>of it is Donald Trump.

648
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.440
<v Speaker 3>So Graham's sister Darlene will only temporarily fill the seat.

649
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:13.359
<v Speaker 3>South Carolina will hold a Republican primary this August to

650
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:17.119
<v Speaker 3>determine who will face Democratic Senate candidate Annie Andrews this November.

651
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:19.240
<v Speaker 3>You guys think this is still a safe seat for

652
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.240
<v Speaker 3>Republicans no matter who wins the primary, or would anyone

653
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<v Speaker 3>like to argue that Dems have an outside shot here.

654
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean in such an anti establishment year, I guess

655
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:29.799
<v Speaker 1>you always have an outside shot. I don't know what

656
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.559
<v Speaker 1>that candidate looks like, you know, like a hardcore like

657
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:35.759
<v Speaker 1>burned down. Both parties suck.

658
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:40.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Trump wins in South Carolina by eighteen points.

659
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Graham won against Jamie Harrison by ten points.

660
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Ten points.

661
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:49.880
<v Speaker 2>The swing in some of these off cycle elections has

662
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<v Speaker 2>been about thirteen points. So is it hard absolutely? Is

663
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<v Speaker 2>it impossible? No, It depends on who the person is.

664
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so there are names that have been floated. Nancy

665
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:03.559
<v Speaker 3>mays we just had a cellar performance in the gubernatorial primary.

666
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:06.359
<v Speaker 2>I love her posting. Just when I thought I thought

667
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.880
<v Speaker 2>it was out, they pulled me back in. Nobody's pulling

668
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:11.960
<v Speaker 2>you anywhere you are, the nobody wants you in.

669
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 3>So the algorithm has pulled you back.

670
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:17.400
<v Speaker 2>It's like, all right, fine, I'll do it.

671
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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, the Russians, Ralph Norman Cuckoo.

672
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<v Speaker 3>Uh. Joe Wilson, Joe Wilson now seen as the elder Statesman.

673
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly.

674
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:30.759
<v Speaker 3>I was just about to say that the guy who

675
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.920
<v Speaker 3>screamed you like Barack Obama way back when Lieutenant governor

676
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.759
<v Speaker 3>Pamela Yvett. All these have been floated. Yeah, Cook rates

677
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<v Speaker 3>it as a solid R. And you know, the case

678
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.920
<v Speaker 3>for Andrews is she is a real candidate, Charleston pediatrician.

679
00:31:44.680 --> 00:31:47.640
<v Speaker 3>She's raised eight million dollars three million dollars cash on hand.

680
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:51.920
<v Speaker 3>She was actually out raising Lindsay Graham's campaign. And so

681
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.240
<v Speaker 3>you know, enough of a shift you get a really

682
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 3>kookie Republican nominee who knows. But yeah, outside shot is

683
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:04.279
<v Speaker 3>your gram left cuile so close, so close, We almost

684
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:05.960
<v Speaker 3>we almost get out of this. We should also talk

685
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:08.880
<v Speaker 3>about McConnell, who offered a proof of life photo as

686
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:10.880
<v Speaker 3>an attempt to finally quiet the rumors that he was

687
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 3>dead or incapacitated after being rushed to the hospital following

688
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 3>a collapse at his home on June fourteenth. On Sunday,

689
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.160
<v Speaker 3>McConnell released a statement from himself and his physician, who

690
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.359
<v Speaker 3>stated that his prolonged hospital stay was the result of

691
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.319
<v Speaker 3>a fall associated with his post polio condition, and that

692
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:28.279
<v Speaker 3>he was also being treated for a mild case of pneumonia.

693
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 3>There was also a photo of McConnell's sitting in a

694
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<v Speaker 3>hospital bed holding the Sunday Sports section of the Washington

695
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.400
<v Speaker 3>Post alongside his wife, former Labor Secretary a Lane Chow.

696
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<v Speaker 3>You guys will be shocked to learn that many in

697
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:43.319
<v Speaker 3>the poster community are falsely claiming that the photo was

698
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:50.240
<v Speaker 3>reused from twenty twenty three or AI generated. One person

699
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.759
<v Speaker 3>who decided to buy that was Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson.

700
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:58.839
<v Speaker 3>Can't believe they got Ron, who gave an interview today

701
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:01.480
<v Speaker 3>saying I just heard from a source that was an

702
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:02.200
<v Speaker 3>older photo.

703
00:33:02.319 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>The source was a story. Yeah, who's your source?

704
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:07.160
<v Speaker 1>You know it's a tweet that got texted to him.

705
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 3>Of course, what if you guys made it? The fact

706
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.039
<v Speaker 3>that so many people online left and right and the

707
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:15.240
<v Speaker 3>US Senate are convinced that a very alive Mitch McConnell

708
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:15.920
<v Speaker 3>is not alive.

709
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:20.079
<v Speaker 2>I watch a video of someone analyzing the shirt collar.

710
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Did you watch? I watched it. I know I'm not

711
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:24.799
<v Speaker 2>buying it. I just was. I was sort of interested

712
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:27.799
<v Speaker 2>in what the theory is about change over here.

713
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.279
<v Speaker 3>And like that one, just how you're spending your time

714
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:32.200
<v Speaker 3>the shirt.

715
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.519
<v Speaker 2>The shirt was the shirt was that kind of folded

716
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 2>in the same way as another photo from the past,

717
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and that it was sort of brought in. I don't

718
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't totally buy the theory. It did look like

719
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:42.759
<v Speaker 2>it was different.

720
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.039
<v Speaker 1>To me, it is weird that we're doing like zapruder

721
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:48.160
<v Speaker 1>film breakdowns of photos in the videos that CNN posted.

722
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:48.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the thing.

723
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:51.559
<v Speaker 3>The reason that, like me is just like the it

724
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:53.319
<v Speaker 3>was you had to fall and then a mild case

725
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:55.359
<v Speaker 3>of pneumonia, and that's why we haven't heard anything for

726
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:57.119
<v Speaker 3>the last that's that that to me, it was the

727
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:57.559
<v Speaker 3>weird part.

728
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.799
<v Speaker 2>And then and no, there wasn't Cardiero Grass though there's

729
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.240
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of reporting about the audio from the

730
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Dispatch in which you were found in kardiak or rest

731
00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.599
<v Speaker 2>An unconscious and resuscitated before being brought to the hospital.

732
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it wasn't him, maybe with somebody else in that

733
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:15.360
<v Speaker 2>house in it. But like part of this is he's

734
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.880
<v Speaker 2>a single photo holding the day's newspaper. That's what hostage

735
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 2>takers released, literally to give you as little as possible,

736
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>right like, oh you're the statement. The test for a

737
00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:26.400
<v Speaker 2>senator is not are you alive?

738
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:27.199
<v Speaker 6>Right?

739
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Like yes, that's a bare minimum but not sufficient, but

740
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:34.440
<v Speaker 2>not sufficient, so perhaps a video might be helpful. So

741
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:36.840
<v Speaker 2>of course there's going to be a lot of speculation,

742
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:41.440
<v Speaker 2>especially when a lot of old politicians have been shown

743
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:44.239
<v Speaker 2>to be lying about their health and hiding how sick

744
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.000
<v Speaker 2>they are, over and over and over again. Jill Biden

745
00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:49.840
<v Speaker 2>saying she thought Joe Biden was having a stroke, a

746
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.039
<v Speaker 2>lot of reporting about the concealing of how he was aging.

747
00:34:53.039 --> 00:34:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Mitch McConnell's disappeared for three fucking weeks. They were rolling

748
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Dianne Feinstein to the Senate after she was no longer

749
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:02.559
<v Speaker 2>copis mentis so yeah, people are suspicious when they're told

750
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>that an aging politician is fine, Like there's a conspiratorial

751
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:09.519
<v Speaker 2>mindset on the internet. There is obviously paranoia on the Internet.

752
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:13.639
<v Speaker 2>It flourishes there, but it is I think not unreasonable

753
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.760
<v Speaker 2>to be skeptical when when you hear from politicians that

754
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:18.159
<v Speaker 2>they're that they're ancient and fine.

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00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.639
<v Speaker 3>Well, and I think some podcasts I was listening to

756
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.400
<v Speaker 3>on vacation, maybe it was this one you guys talked

757
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:25.519
<v Speaker 3>about the h I don't listen and I'm a vacation,

758
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<v Speaker 3>A few things I wanted to catch up on. There

759
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:33.000
<v Speaker 3>was a there's also political implications which I think feels

760
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.880
<v Speaker 3>the serious right, which is I believe that it's it

761
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:39.400
<v Speaker 3>was August third or fourth that like the worried that

762
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:42.800
<v Speaker 3>maybe Thomas Massey would jump into a race and as

763
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.480
<v Speaker 3>an independent and then tilt the race to the Democrats,

764
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.119
<v Speaker 3>and so there's some kind of machinations there.

765
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:49.320
<v Speaker 1>And BTC was floating the theory to me that there

766
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:52.360
<v Speaker 1>was concerned that Andy Basher might run and you could

767
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:54.719
<v Speaker 1>actually win the seed. Now I'd not heard that the b.

768
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:55.960
<v Speaker 3>D C, but I like it right.

769
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<v Speaker 2>The lingo and then and then Andy Sheer was all

770
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:04.559
<v Speaker 2>saying that he is going to challenge the constitutionality of

771
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:09.679
<v Speaker 2>the Kentucky law that says he can't appoint replacement because

772
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:11.960
<v Speaker 2>he believes that the constitution of the state is clear

773
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.599
<v Speaker 2>that and that the law violates it. I was also like,

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<v Speaker 2>also the implications of what would happen in a Senate

775
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:22.679
<v Speaker 2>for just those several weeks where they're they're losing a vote.

776
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:28.840
<v Speaker 2>You have Tillis, even with whether McConnell McConnell's absent, regardless,

777
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:33.960
<v Speaker 2>right now, they the four people like Cornyn, Tillis, Collins,

778
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:37.679
<v Speaker 2>and Berkowski. If the gram seat is filled in McConnell's back,

779
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.159
<v Speaker 2>those four can lead to a tie, right but if

780
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 2>they all vote no right now, they can really kind

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00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:43.320
<v Speaker 2>of gum up the.

782
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:47.880
<v Speaker 3>Works and the gram seat is filled tomorrow. Yes, that's

783
00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:50.199
<v Speaker 3>happened Tuesday. I think it's supposed to be filled on Wednesday.

784
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 2>But you start to think about what would happen in

785
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:55.519
<v Speaker 2>a lame duck if there's a Supreme Court vacancy, right,

786
00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Like that to me is where they're like, oh.

787
00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:59.719
<v Speaker 3>Got to get that McConnell, got to get that proof

788
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:00.000
<v Speaker 3>of life.

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00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I also think, like everyone thinks every photo is AI.

790
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Now that's I sent my friend a photo of Earlyn

791
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Holland with stuff raccoon holding a Tila bottle, and he

792
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:11.280
<v Speaker 1>asked me if it was real? So thanks for that,

793
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:12.320
<v Speaker 1>fucking samal.

794
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:14.119
<v Speaker 3>Every funny photo, I laugh. I now I do the

795
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:15.960
<v Speaker 3>same thing, like is it real? Is it Ai?

796
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:17.519
<v Speaker 2>And the liar's dividend?

797
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 3>Even the AI jeckers now and they're like so that

798
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:22.599
<v Speaker 3>they do that on some of like the writing. You know,

799
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:24.880
<v Speaker 3>they're like, oh, eighty percent that this was written by AI,

800
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:26.000
<v Speaker 3>and you're like, was it is that?

801
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:26.280
<v Speaker 5>Right?

802
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:27.280
<v Speaker 3>It's is that lying?

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00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:30.239
<v Speaker 1>Like and if we're just let's be harsh, like this

804
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.519
<v Speaker 1>is one hundred percent Mitch McConnell's office is fault, Like

805
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:35.039
<v Speaker 1>their boss went into the hospital on June fourteenth. They

806
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:37.519
<v Speaker 1>didn't offer any real information for weeks, and then they

807
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:40.480
<v Speaker 1>did this weird leak to the worst liar and asshole

808
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:43.320
<v Speaker 1>on CNN, Scott Jennings, and had him claim that he'd

809
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.280
<v Speaker 1>just done a twenty minute call with Mitch McConnell where

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<v Speaker 1>they talked about.

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00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:51.039
<v Speaker 3>NATO, ron funniest not the conspiracies they like, and it

812
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:54.159
<v Speaker 3>was the same thing, or we also said the same yeah,

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00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:56.239
<v Speaker 3>because it's like, oh my gosh, they're talking to pneumonia.

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<v Speaker 3>You're in the hospital, quick, let's talk about the straight

815
00:37:58.159 --> 00:37:58.679
<v Speaker 3>of hoornor moves.

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00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:00.519
<v Speaker 1>It was like a head of state read out that

817
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:02.239
<v Speaker 1>you would do from the White House. And yeah, also

818
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>talked about the following issues.

819
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:06.719
<v Speaker 2>One of the topics that came up in both their conversations,

820
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.440
<v Speaker 2>according to these reports, was the Grand Plattner story. And

821
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.679
<v Speaker 2>it's like, so you've you're talking to Mitch McConnell. You say,

822
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.159
<v Speaker 2>is your friend. You identify him as Mitch McConnell, the

823
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky Senators. If we were thinking you were talking about

824
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:20.400
<v Speaker 2>somebody else, you think he might be dying. Your last

825
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.679
<v Speaker 2>conversation is going to be about Grant Platner.

826
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<v Speaker 3>You know, don't you know what before we throw too

827
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 3>many stones from our glasshouse. I'm just envisioning one of

828
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:28.639
<v Speaker 3>you guys in the hospital and me trying to call

829
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<v Speaker 3>it pretty quick emotional, Yeah, feeling did I miss anything

830
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:35.400
<v Speaker 3>in the news, what's happening on Twitter?

831
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<v Speaker 1>And you'd be like, you don't want to know? Aboudy,

832
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:39.440
<v Speaker 1>it's actually worse out here than in there.

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<v Speaker 3>We would though, we would probably joke aboutably talking the

834
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<v Speaker 3>phone you'm talking about, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't answered my phone since twenty thirty. You guys

836
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<v Speaker 1>are our phone friends.

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<v Speaker 3>If you guys are in the hospital, maybe maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 3>see you know that the Republican text, I don't want.

839
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<v Speaker 5>To take it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true, that's true. Okay, thank you noted.

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<v Speaker 3>The Congress does have quite a to do list, though

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<v Speaker 3>they've got the Todd Blanche confirmation, a G confirmation they've

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<v Speaker 3>got j Clayton for DN. I the NDAA that we

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<v Speaker 3>just talked about, the around war supplemental FISA, the whole

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<v Speaker 3>FIZA thing that we talked about before the break that

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<v Speaker 3>still hasn't been renewed.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Todd Bla is in trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>Helps. I think Todd Blinch is in trouble. He'supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>a hearing this week. I will see if it continues.

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<v Speaker 3>But like a number of questions swirling, We're going to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the war against the Press next, but there's that,

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<v Speaker 3>there's even though it's DHS, there's now been two other

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<v Speaker 3>ice killings we haven't even talked about. There's a man

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<v Speaker 3>in Houston that Ice killed, and now just today as

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<v Speaker 3>we're recording on Monday, in Bidterford, Maine, where I just was,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a it seems like a twenty six year

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<v Speaker 3>old Columbian man who had complete authorization to work in

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<v Speaker 3>this country and was shot and killed. And the warrant

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<v Speaker 3>that ICE had was not even for him apparently. And

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<v Speaker 3>so I would imagine and hope that Todd Blanche at

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<v Speaker 3>DJ would get plenty of questions about what kind of

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<v Speaker 3>investigation they're going to lead into these killings. Susan Collins

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<v Speaker 3>just said that, you know, the DHS Inspector General out

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<v Speaker 3>of Boston is going to take over the investigation internally.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't really have a lot of faith in

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<v Speaker 3>an internal DHS investigation, which is a barry Yeah right.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like the dj or it feels like the

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<v Speaker 3>FBI has to get involved.

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<v Speaker 1>But again thumb Phillis needs to just decide to like

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<v Speaker 1>like man up in fight this terrible appointment and care

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<v Speaker 1>about stuff. I mean like he says things occasionally that

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<v Speaker 1>are helpful in these critical of Trump, but like use

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<v Speaker 1>your power while you can, dude. Also with MCCONWALLGN, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that eliminates their one seat majority on the Appropriations

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<v Speaker 1>Committee and they can't schedule hearings and it might impact

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<v Speaker 1>the supplemental funding requests for more penticon spending or something

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<v Speaker 1>more broadly, it's just like it's a reminder that the

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<v Speaker 1>margins in the Senate and the House are so thin

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<v Speaker 1>that you have one death or one prolonged absence or

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<v Speaker 1>one something, it can just like completely hamsterring the party

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<v Speaker 1>in power.

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<v Speaker 3>I get to say, I think that supplemental is never

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<v Speaker 3>getting through. I think that the election even though that's

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<v Speaker 3>fifty to only fifty one votes. Like you have Collins,

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<v Speaker 3>Houston in Ohio and Sullivan in Alaska, who are all

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<v Speaker 3>facing very tough reelections. You can't let all three of

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<v Speaker 3>them go. And then you have Rakowski who just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just out of principle, I mention that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>do it. But that's that's four Republicans on a supplemental

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<v Speaker 3>to vote for more money for war. And then maybe

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<v Speaker 3>you get Fetterman.

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<v Speaker 2>But also like that, the House is tricky. The House

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<v Speaker 2>is tricky. There was there was even the Republicans internally

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<v Speaker 2>are calling it a zombie Congress. Now they just there's

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<v Speaker 2>they have no margins they have and they're all angry

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<v Speaker 2>and feet they're all mad at each other too. They're not.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like a well run machine. Here.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about the latest front in Trump's war on

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<v Speaker 3>the press. Late on Friday, the administration issued subpoenas to

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<v Speaker 3>four New York Times journalists who reported that the White House,

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<v Speaker 3>at the urging of the Secret Service, had decided to

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<v Speaker 3>use the old Air Force one during the NATO summit

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<v Speaker 3>and Turkey as a security precaution. FBI Director Cash Mattel,

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<v Speaker 3>who spent eight hours working from the White House on Friday,

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<v Speaker 3>has been tasked with overseeing the investigation the time. Senate

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<v Speaker 3>Democrats and press advocacy groups have all criticized the move,

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<v Speaker 3>which came through the US Attorney in Manhattan, Jay Clayton,

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<v Speaker 3>who's also Trump's nominee for Director of National Intelligence. The

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<v Speaker 3>DOJ wrote on Twitter on Saturday the quote every administration

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<v Speaker 3>has addressed the crime of leaking national security information, adding

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<v Speaker 3>quote reporters are not the targets. Those leaking classified information are.

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<v Speaker 3>What did you guys make of this one?

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<v Speaker 1>This is just an obvious effort to punish and scare

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<v Speaker 1>these journalists because a normal leak investigation would figure out

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<v Speaker 1>who in the government had accessed the information. They tried

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<v Speaker 1>to narrow it down in attempt to find the leaker

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<v Speaker 1>that way, but instead they send a bunch of federal

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<v Speaker 1>agents to the homes of these reporters on Friday, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, show up to a grand jury on Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not the normal process. Also, the FBI is a

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<v Speaker 1>weird anecdote in the story about how the FBI was

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<v Speaker 1>the one warning the reporters, not the publishing in advance.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why they would be the ones or

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<v Speaker 1>asking them not to publish in advance for security reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you mentioned, like Cash battal gets summit, he

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<v Speaker 1>was going to fly to Chicago to see his girlfriend

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<v Speaker 1>perform at a country concert that every story notes that

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<v Speaker 1>it's in the parking lot of some venue, which is

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<v Speaker 1>very funny. But instead poor Cash couldn't go to Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>He worked out of the White House for eight hours,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently constantly updating the White House staff on this investigation

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<v Speaker 1>into these journalists and coordinating with them, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>just it's so obviously they're trying to punish this reporting.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently Trump was very mad about the reports about Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force one. On some level, you can step back and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, okay, reporting on security measures embedded in Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force one, like there is a risk there, but everyone

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<v Speaker 1>knew about this, Like this was sort of like the

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<v Speaker 1>conversation about the Atari gifted Air Force One in advance

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<v Speaker 1>was that you couldn't put in place these countermeasures, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>the missile defense stuff in time for Trump to use it.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was like that's what happened. I mean, that

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<v Speaker 1>was the assumption. Wasn't that piece of whatever countermeasures it

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<v Speaker 1>had would be the hardest and take the longest. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so if we already everyone was speculating once he

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't taking that plane back, there's going to be reporting

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<v Speaker 1>on why if the why is security is if Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is is Trump is pissed now that he won't be

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<v Speaker 1>able to use the plane because now the secrets out

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<v Speaker 1>on the fact that the plane isn't as secure as

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<v Speaker 1>the original ones that took a decade to build.

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<v Speaker 3>Just another lesson by American you know for sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the uh, the uh and then and then uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the DJ putting out this statement saying, oh, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of classified leaks have often been investigating, which it seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be confirming the story, right because they're they're now

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<v Speaker 2>saying so.

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<v Speaker 1>This there was, Yeah, every leak investigation kind of confirms

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<v Speaker 1>the underlying reporting.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, but also like they're they're trying to say, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just doing this sort of normal course of investigating

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<v Speaker 2>a leak, but as Tommy said, the sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>operations reversed. But also like there's a there is an

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<v Speaker 2>understanding that if you're trying to get information from journalists

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00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:15.360
<v Speaker 2>who recovering that is a serious thing to do. Garland

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<v Speaker 2>put in place protections for journalists to protect against this

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00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.599
<v Speaker 2>exact kind of thing. Pambondi rescinded those protections.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean going after the journalists. Subpoenaing the journalists

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<v Speaker 3>forty eight hours after the story is just completely backwards,

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<v Speaker 3>just for all the time, would be like, oh, Obama,

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<v Speaker 3>the Obama administration did this, and other administrations, it's usually

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<v Speaker 3>the last resort is to subpoena a journalist if you

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely have to. You don't start the investigation that way

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<v Speaker 3>unless you just want to intimidate people.

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<v Speaker 1>And the half of the leak investigations under Obama were

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<v Speaker 1>holdovers from the Bush administration. Like there's all these caveats

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<v Speaker 1>this look. I understand the criticism of it, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>yes's just not comparative. It's just really they're not the

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<v Speaker 1>same in any way. What happened then and now?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, one more explosive piece of news before we

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<v Speaker 3>get to love its interview with Ryan Tyler Cohen. The

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<v Speaker 3>country is currently experiencing a cyclosporiasis outbreak, a parasite that

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<v Speaker 3>causes severe intestinal illness and diarrhea. Cases have been found

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<v Speaker 3>in over half the states in the country, including over

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five hundred cases in Michigan alone. While cases of

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<v Speaker 3>the intestinal illness tend to rise in spring and summer

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<v Speaker 3>of every year, this year's outbreak has been particularly extreme,

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<v Speaker 3>raising questions about how the administration's cuts to the FDA

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<v Speaker 3>and CDC maybe affecting the federal response. Nicholas Florco at

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<v Speaker 3>The Atlantic pointed out that as a Friday, CDC's case

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<v Speaker 3>tracker of the outbreak had not been updated, reporting less

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<v Speaker 3>than two hundred cases, an obvious undercount. Just Michigan alone

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<v Speaker 3>has more than that. My only question is RFK junior

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<v Speaker 3>at fault for America getting explosive diarrhea?

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<v Speaker 2>I think the question is worth asking. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, but CDC's lost roughly a quarter of its workforce.

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<v Speaker 2>They stop requiring surveillance of cyclospora after it's been tracked

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<v Speaker 2>for decades.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one of the ones that it's a cut, one

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<v Speaker 3>of the pathogens that they were tracking in the in

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<v Speaker 3>the budget cuts.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's also just hard to measure the cost of

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<v Speaker 2>having h like just incompetent boobs at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>all of these agencies. Like there's a lot of there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of just dogs that aren't barking, right, the

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00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:20.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing like serious professionals, right, because they're yeah,

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00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.480
<v Speaker 2>they're they're sort of a permanent squat. You know when

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<v Speaker 2>your dog has that, you know, dog sort of has that,

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00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:27.440
<v Speaker 2>those long cloops. You know, they're just there, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, They're like walking across the lawn because

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<v Speaker 2>they're just in the food position for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Michigan right now. That's pure Michigan. They're not even

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<v Speaker 2>having there's no lettuce and tomato and the taco bell

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme anymore. That's what this country used to be. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what Tomas Trump has done.

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading about this in the Wall Street Journal

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<v Speaker 1>and they're sure. The following sentence was, she went to

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<v Speaker 1>her local taco bell on July seventh, and by the

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<v Speaker 1>next day her stomach was upset. I'm like, uh, a

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<v Speaker 1>dog bite spariasis?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think I've had since I was seventeen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just I mean, my reaction to this was was

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<v Speaker 1>was what you said, love it? Like, what are what disease?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we not tracking because of dough?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>My god?

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<v Speaker 1>Because far of k thinks vaccines are causing it? Like

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<v Speaker 1>God help us. Also a screw screwworm on the borders. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's a worm eating cows in Texas. Feels like

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<v Speaker 1>that should be a bigger deal. Although I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>was at the farmer's market this weekend and we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>buy like raspberries because Hannah had seen something somewhere that

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<v Speaker 1>said raspberries might have it. It's like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very.

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<v Speaker 3>Not to get darker about this, but this for me

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<v Speaker 3>goes into the category of like the high class problem

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<v Speaker 3>that Brian writes about in his book that after Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>how do we wield power? Like public health agencies have

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<v Speaker 3>been so decimated under Trump, and this is the truth

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<v Speaker 3>with almost every agency across government. It's like, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think people understand that when they leave and a new

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<v Speaker 3>administration comes in, it's going to be incredibly difficult to

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<v Speaker 3>replace all of these experts and officials because you can't,

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<v Speaker 3>like people got other jobs. You can't just call up

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<v Speaker 3>everyone that Trump fired and who had been who had

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<v Speaker 3>held this expertise for decades and be like, oh, yeah,

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00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:58.400
<v Speaker 3>can you come back now? And it's gotten new jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>And so Michael wrote that book about all the data

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<v Speaker 2>that's being lost or there's a section of that book

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<v Speaker 2>about the federal government that talked about all the data

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<v Speaker 2>and that is not being tracked, or the longitudinal studies

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<v Speaker 2>that are that were ended, all the research that was terminated, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just a price we're going to pay for very

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<v Speaker 2>long and.

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<v Speaker 1>All the investments into mRNA vaccines and other things that

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<v Speaker 1>could provide the like game changing you know, cures of

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<v Speaker 1>the future.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think the next administration is probably just

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<v Speaker 3>going to have to be honest about the whole that

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00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:26.599
<v Speaker 3>we're going to have to dig ourselves out of because

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00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:29.760
<v Speaker 3>there's a political issue with that too, where suddenly there's

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<v Speaker 3>an outbreak and you know, the next Democratic presenter, the

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<v Speaker 3>CDC officials like, well, we were hamstrung by all the

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<v Speaker 3>cuts in the Trump administration. No one's going to be like, Okay, no,

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00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:39.920
<v Speaker 3>don't worry about that. We understand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like we spent on like there's so many ways

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<v Speaker 2>in which what we're talking about are all the kind

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<v Speaker 2>of offensive like not morally offensive, but you know, proactively

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00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:49.840
<v Speaker 2>offensive ways in which Donald Trump is you know, destroying

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00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:53.280
<v Speaker 2>institutions and wrecking the government and you know, focused on

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00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:59.639
<v Speaker 2>the wrong things. But I remember when we were working

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<v Speaker 2>on some speech about some unrelated topic, and there was

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<v Speaker 2>a fear about swine flu, and so there was a

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<v Speaker 2>meeting and it was we're gonna it. Rose to the

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<v Speaker 2>level of the president, and then he gave a brief

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00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:15.320
<v Speaker 2>topper at some speech science spy swine flu topper, and

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<v Speaker 2>it ran through what the latest he learned from from

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<v Speaker 2>the agencies and what people needed to know. And that

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<v Speaker 2>did two things. Wanted to inform the public about an

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing public health threat. And whenever the president speaks to something,

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<v Speaker 2>it is an organizing force inside the government, gets people

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<v Speaker 2>ad to attend to something, figure out what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 2>explain what they're not doing, what's happening. And none of

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<v Speaker 2>that happens when Donald Trump is president. None of it.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's just a like it's a hard to measure

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<v Speaker 2>price because it's the cost of incompetence that just shows

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<v Speaker 2>up in people being sick. After you want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone here has been quite sober and serious and talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Senator Graham and not talking about all the jokes

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<v Speaker 1>that were being made on Twitter over the weekend. But

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't need to read one which is from an

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<v Speaker 1>lol gop which is said they have to move the

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<v Speaker 1>dead senators quickly so Bobby Junior doesn't try to eat them.

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<v Speaker 3>Tommy, as we were talking about this, I was thinking

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<v Speaker 3>to myself, can I read that tweet? Is it too much?

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm glad you did? I got you. I'm glad.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad I got out of the podcast it was.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good place to leave it. And do you

1146
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:14.960
<v Speaker 3>think he was gay? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I think probably, but we'll never know. Now. It doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>It never mattered in the end.

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<v Speaker 3>It matter.

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<v Speaker 2>You see that Trump ordered all flags in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States to half half staff. Uh, And I know this

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00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:30.199
<v Speaker 2>is my only this is no one cares about this

1153
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.320
<v Speaker 2>with me. He does not have that authority. He is

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<v Speaker 2>responsible only for the flags on federal land because it's

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<v Speaker 2>a free country, and the sovereign states of this country

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<v Speaker 2>can decide what they do with their flags, and the

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<v Speaker 2>sovereign citizens can decide what we do with our flags.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we want to lower our flags for Lindsay Gram,

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<v Speaker 2>we can do it. I appreciate that we lowered their

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<v Speaker 2>pride flag to have staff as a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a hole they did, and the American flag, both of

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<v Speaker 2>them together, which I thought was a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a I'm moving, I'm moving troll. You know, yeah exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>But I hate when Donald Trump orders everyone to lower

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<v Speaker 2>the flags like there's a free country. Is not concerned?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, on that note, after the Break Love its conversation

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<v Speaker 3>with Brian Tyler Cohen about all.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining us now. He's a progressive host and author of

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<v Speaker 2>the new book The Day After How to Wheeld Power

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<v Speaker 2>in a Post Trump World, which is out today. YouTube's

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<v Speaker 2>best Boy Brian Tyler Com, Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 6>Love It. Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>So. You have your new book out which we will

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<v Speaker 2>talk about, but before we do, I wanted to get

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<v Speaker 2>your reaction to what we're seeing right now now in

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<v Speaker 2>some right wing media. I want to start with Tucker Carlson,

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<v Speaker 2>who has become increasingly critical of Trump. Let's roll a clip.

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<v Speaker 8>You betrayed us, and it's the betrayal that makes it

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<v Speaker 8>so bitter for people like me and maybe you who

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<v Speaker 8>voted for Trump and I campaigned for and with him.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, it's like, really, we really believe that you

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<v Speaker 8>were going to at least try and in the end

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<v Speaker 8>it's all about cryptocurrency scams and wars for Israel. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>I can't believe you did that, hiding the Epstein stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So he goes on in that video to say that

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<v Speaker 2>you can't even ask questions about Butler. So there's a

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<v Speaker 2>mix of his like America first stuff, the anti Israel stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and the conspiratorial stuff in there. What do you make

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<v Speaker 2>of Tucker's turn against Trump lately.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know that it's so much.

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<v Speaker 5>This virtuous stand as it is Tucker recognizing not where

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<v Speaker 5>the puck is, but where the puck is going. And

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<v Speaker 5>he can see how unpopular Trump is, how he's losing

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<v Speaker 5>popularity even within in his own base, and it's because

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<v Speaker 5>he has defied his own campaign promises. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 5>nobody forced Trump to engage in a foreign war in

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<v Speaker 5>the Middle East after promising no new wars in the

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<v Speaker 5>Middle East.

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<v Speaker 6>That was him.

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<v Speaker 5>Nobody made Trump suppressed the Epstein files after they all

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<v Speaker 5>campaigned on release in the Epstein files. Nobody forced Trump

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<v Speaker 5>to launch a trade war in against all these foreign

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<v Speaker 5>countries that would raise the prices of everything that was him.

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<v Speaker 5>And so obviously that's rubbing the Republican base the wrong

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<v Speaker 5>way because it's completely diametrically opposed to everything that Trump

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<v Speaker 5>campaigned on. Tucker wants to retain relevance in that base

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<v Speaker 5>that is his audience, and so he can both give

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<v Speaker 5>himself a little bit of independent cred by going after

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<v Speaker 5>Trump on stuff that's already unpopular and kind of recognize

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<v Speaker 5>that Trump is not going to be there forever, but

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<v Speaker 5>he wants to have a longer.

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<v Speaker 6>Career than I think.

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<v Speaker 5>Then I think what spans just Donald Trump's specific tenure

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<v Speaker 5>in office, and I think that's Look, he is a

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<v Speaker 5>savvy operator. I think that's what makes him a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit more savvy than a lot of other people in

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<v Speaker 5>that space who only recognize Okay, right now, I have

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<v Speaker 5>to tie my fortunes to Donald Trump, and whatever he does,

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<v Speaker 5>I have to blindly defer to.

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<v Speaker 6>Him, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that that's going to drag a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people down because they're only focused on today and

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<v Speaker 5>not tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's interesting. You know, Tucker is a challenge for

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<v Speaker 2>Trump because Tucker has fuck you money and seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be pretty happy wherever he's ensconced making his shows from

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<v Speaker 2>his home, so he's not on the I mean he's

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00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:43.119
<v Speaker 2>on the take. He's on the take, but he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>need Trump in the same way that say, like a

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00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:48.920
<v Speaker 2>bunch of other either media figures still feel like they

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<v Speaker 2>need Trump, or or members of Congress or others in

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00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the sort of conservative ecosystem who are afraid to be

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<v Speaker 2>on Trump's bad side and part because they don't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like they have a they need him, they need him,

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00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.480
<v Speaker 2>but also be they don't feel like they have an independent,

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00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:12.000
<v Speaker 2>trusted relationship with the base. You see, the Republicans just

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00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:13.760
<v Speaker 2>want to have an event with Trump to sign the

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00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:17.239
<v Speaker 2>housing bill. Trump allows the housing bill to become law,

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00:59:17.719 --> 00:59:19.840
<v Speaker 2>but doesn't sign it as a fuck you to the

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00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Republicans because those Republicans want their event with Daddy they

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00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:26.039
<v Speaker 2>want to take the pic because his impremiature on the

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00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:28.679
<v Speaker 2>Bill does more than any words they can say, because

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00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:30.719
<v Speaker 2>they don't have that kind of relationship, and Tucker does

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00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:32.639
<v Speaker 2>seem like he's in a different category.

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<v Speaker 5>Like their brand is just kind of glomming on to

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00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:36.800
<v Speaker 5>whatever Trump does.

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<v Speaker 6>And frankly, there are no we've seen, there are no.

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00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:42.920
<v Speaker 5>Long standing principles, there are no core beliefs or core values.

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00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:46.519
<v Speaker 5>It's just whatever Trump says becomes gospel for these people

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00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:49.920
<v Speaker 5>who are hangers on for Trump. I mean, these people

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<v Speaker 5>were anti war during the campaign, and now they're all

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<v Speaker 5>explaining why actually what Trump is doing is completely fine.

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<v Speaker 5>They have the ability to rain him in they're a

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<v Speaker 5>co equal branch of government, but instead they just day

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01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:03.079
<v Speaker 5>by day contract all of their autonomy over to him.

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<v Speaker 5>And so whatever stance he adopts, whatever errant synapse fires

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01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:09.239
<v Speaker 5>in his brain and words fall out of his face,

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01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:12.880
<v Speaker 5>that becomes gospel for this GOP. And you're right, Tucker

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01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:14.960
<v Speaker 5>doesn't abide by that same principle.

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01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:16.039
<v Speaker 6>He doesn't need to.

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01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:18.280
<v Speaker 5>It's not like Trump can post a mean tweet and

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01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:20.199
<v Speaker 5>end his career in the same way that he can

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01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:23.519
<v Speaker 5>for somebody like Bill Cassidy or John Cornyn. But really

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<v Speaker 5>what it does is just destroy the Republican brand.

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<v Speaker 6>But that's what Trump wants.

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<v Speaker 5>He wants the brand to just be slavish devotion to

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<v Speaker 5>him and whatever he says and does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's also the ways in which Republican politicians, Trump

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<v Speaker 2>media figures deal with the conspiratorial mindset in their audience,

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<v Speaker 2>whether they ignore it, embrace it, fight against it. You

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01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:57.000
<v Speaker 2>even seen like right wing figures like Chris Rufo talking

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01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:00.800
<v Speaker 2>about the danger of this kind of thing. You hear

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01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:02.639
<v Speaker 2>that in a lot of what Tucker has been doing.

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01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:07.400
<v Speaker 2>You also hear it in Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just roll the clip without any introduction.

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<v Speaker 9>Today we are going to uncover the real murderer of

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<v Speaker 9>Charlie Kirk.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time.

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<v Speaker 9>We've been working for months on a deep and detailed investigation.

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<v Speaker 9>It's not who you think. Today we are going to

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<v Speaker 9>discuss who was really behind Charlie Kirk's assassination Candace Owens.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Candace Owens has obviously been saying unhendshit about the

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<v Speaker 2>killing of Charlie Kirk, and Candie Owones has also been

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01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:42.519
<v Speaker 2>at war with Ben Shapiro. I think this is his

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<v Speaker 2>way of striking back with some parody about it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>also coming at a time in which, maybe in part

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<v Speaker 2>because of the conspiratorial turn on the right, like Ben Shapiro,

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01:01:56.760 --> 01:02:00.880
<v Speaker 2>has lost some some relevance, lost some audience. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you make of that little civil war?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, look, the reality is that when it comes

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01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:09.639
<v Speaker 5>to conspiracy theories online, that's the currency of the Internet.

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<v Speaker 5>That's even more pervasive in right wing circles. But the

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<v Speaker 5>interesting part of this is, in large part that's what

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<v Speaker 5>Republicans tapped into as it relates to Epstein, and.

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<v Speaker 6>That brought a lot of people into the political process.

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<v Speaker 6>It's why a lot of people voted.

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<v Speaker 5>They believe that there was this you know, basically upper

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<v Speaker 5>echelon of politicians and people who can commit heinous crimes

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<v Speaker 5>with impunity, and that gained a lot of traction. And

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<v Speaker 5>when we saw that that was in large part what

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01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:42.360
<v Speaker 5>happened with the Epstein files. It backfired on Trump because

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<v Speaker 5>now you have people who believed it and it was

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01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:50.480
<v Speaker 5>largely borne out in what we saw, and Trump decided

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01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:54.199
<v Speaker 5>not to release anything other than you know, half of

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01:02:54.239 --> 01:02:57.079
<v Speaker 5>the files. Deigned to release half of the files, but

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01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:58.679
<v Speaker 5>continues to hold on to the other half.

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<v Speaker 6>And so in this sense, since you have people who

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01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:03.440
<v Speaker 6>kind of bought into.

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<v Speaker 5>What felt like a conspiracy theory, it ended up being

1341
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:08.159
<v Speaker 5>in large part, I mean, there were, you know, obviously

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01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:12.440
<v Speaker 5>elements of it that were untrue, but in large part accurate.

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01:03:13.159 --> 01:03:15.559
<v Speaker 6>And now it's turning against.

1344
01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:19.000
<v Speaker 5>Trump because he continues to suppress these files instead of

1345
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:21.079
<v Speaker 5>released them. So I think that's one instance and where

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01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:24.000
<v Speaker 5>in which you know, you have a political party that

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01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:27.880
<v Speaker 5>is already prone to this stuff, and it's going to

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01:03:27.960 --> 01:03:30.280
<v Speaker 5>create a lot of I think disaffected voters on the

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01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:33.280
<v Speaker 5>right because this is where they operate, this is where

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01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:35.760
<v Speaker 5>they live, and now they can see that Trump has

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01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:38.480
<v Speaker 5>no interest in actually delivering on that specific point.

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<v Speaker 2>The FCEEN files as this way of signaling that you're

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01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:47.679
<v Speaker 2>willing to take on the powers that be right that

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01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:51.320
<v Speaker 2>whatever that means. But also part of it, too, is

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01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:55.280
<v Speaker 2>like the comfort of some far off enemy that is

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01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:57.960
<v Speaker 2>truly the ones responsible. That's a lot of what Trump does.

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01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:00.719
<v Speaker 2>More broadly, it's this idea that that what is the

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01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:04.239
<v Speaker 2>source of our ills. It's not structural, it's not systemic

1359
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:07.960
<v Speaker 2>inequality or broken systems or the failure to build housing

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01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:14.920
<v Speaker 2>or just the like the ordinary quote unquote ordinary dangers

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01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:17.440
<v Speaker 2>that lurk for children everywhere, that there is some like

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01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:22.400
<v Speaker 2>super plot of super elites and that's the real threat. Now,

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01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:25.280
<v Speaker 2>two things can be true, right, Like, there was and

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01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:28.519
<v Speaker 2>is now a big cover up around Epstein. There was

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01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:32.599
<v Speaker 2>a network of connected people who supported this person even

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01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:36.440
<v Speaker 2>after he was exposed. There's clearly nefarious doings and how

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<v Speaker 2>he got such a slap on the wrist when he

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01:04:40.480 --> 01:04:43.199
<v Speaker 2>was first brought up on charges, and obviously Trump has

1369
01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:45.599
<v Speaker 2>been covering up for him. But that a lot of

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01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:48.880
<v Speaker 2>right wing media is about this sort of comfort of like,

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01:04:49.039 --> 01:04:51.159
<v Speaker 2>you are the folk, you are the good people and

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01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:54.559
<v Speaker 2>the good communities, and the enemy is it's the immigrants

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01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:58.920
<v Speaker 2>or the trans people or the cabal of Jews operating

1374
01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:03.239
<v Speaker 2>a pedophilia ring right when when like actually, like, the

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01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:06.440
<v Speaker 2>real challenges and problems in your life are closer to home,

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01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:09.559
<v Speaker 2>but it's much harder to face that. And a lot

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01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:12.280
<v Speaker 2>of right wing media is just about stoking that feeling

1378
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.159
<v Speaker 2>and telling people over and over again that like, uh,

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01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:17.719
<v Speaker 2>they're doing Hey, keep at it, keep at it. Once

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01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:19.519
<v Speaker 2>we get rid of these once we get rid of

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01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:25.000
<v Speaker 2>these trans swimmers, and uh, and and Jewish cabals. Then

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01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:27.039
<v Speaker 2>everything's going to be coming up America.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, we've seen this as a recurring theme for

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<v Speaker 6>so long.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I remember elections where it was migrant caravans,

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<v Speaker 5>and then it was gay marriage, and then it was

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01:05:38.000 --> 01:05:41.039
<v Speaker 5>trans people, and it's you know, they're they're really effective

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01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:45.159
<v Speaker 5>at finding some boogeyman to vilify as the source of

1389
01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:48.000
<v Speaker 5>all of society's woes. I think that they're going to

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01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:50.599
<v Speaker 5>run up on a wall in this election cycle because

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01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:52.679
<v Speaker 5>obviously they're all trying to do it again. You know,

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01:05:52.880 --> 01:05:55.000
<v Speaker 5>they they run the same playbooks over and over and

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01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:59.079
<v Speaker 5>over again. In some ways, Republican elections from the early

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01:05:59.159 --> 01:06:01.960
<v Speaker 5>two thousands look like ideal to what they're saying today.

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01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:05.159
<v Speaker 5>But they ran an entire election cycle based on culture

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01:06:05.199 --> 01:06:08.320
<v Speaker 5>wars in twenty twenty four and trying to perpetuate this

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01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.440
<v Speaker 5>idea that okay, if only we can get they them's

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01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:17.239
<v Speaker 5>out of swimming, then everything will be solved. And in fact,

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01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:19.960
<v Speaker 5>now these people, the Republicans, have full control of government.

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<v Speaker 5>They have the House, they have the Senate, they have

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01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:23.199
<v Speaker 5>the White House. They even won the popular vote on

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01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:25.840
<v Speaker 5>that message. And what do they have to show for it?

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01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:28.159
<v Speaker 5>There's no Democrats in control to gum up the works.

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01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:30.360
<v Speaker 5>So what Republicans have to show for it right now

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01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:33.320
<v Speaker 5>is a country that is sicker, poorer, and hungrier than

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01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:36.599
<v Speaker 5>it's been before. A country where prices are not going down,

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01:06:36.679 --> 01:06:38.880
<v Speaker 5>they're going up. Inflation's not going down, it's going up.

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01:06:38.920 --> 01:06:41.519
<v Speaker 5>Health Care is not more expansive, it's been contracted. Food

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01:06:41.519 --> 01:06:44.880
<v Speaker 5>assistance is the same. We have not fewer wars, but more.

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<v Speaker 5>The Epstein files are not released, they're being suppressed. And

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<v Speaker 5>so given the fact that there's no Democrats to blame

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01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:52.480
<v Speaker 5>for any of this, Republicans are going to have to

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01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:57.280
<v Speaker 5>confront the fact, and especially their base, confront the fact that, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>maybe if I keep voting on these cultural war issues,

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<v Speaker 5>especially issues where like ten people in the NC double

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01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:07.239
<v Speaker 5>A are at the at the heart of our entire

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01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:11.880
<v Speaker 5>national discourse, then then you know, that's not gonna result

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<v Speaker 5>in better outcomes for regular Americans. That's just going to

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01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:18.039
<v Speaker 5>be more cultural issues that allow Republicans to consolidate power

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<v Speaker 5>and then just do with that power what they want.

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<v Speaker 2>And Trump, of unable to grapple with the actual problems

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01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:28.519
<v Speaker 2>he claimed he was going to fix, is distracted by

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01:07:28.599 --> 01:07:30.880
<v Speaker 2>the reflecting pool in the ballroom, and he's doing pit

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01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:34.320
<v Speaker 2>stops on the lawn, he's doing challenge or campaigning. He's

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<v Speaker 2>doing the kinds of things you do when you're out

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<v Speaker 2>of power, complaining about the things you complain about when

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<v Speaker 2>you're out of power. But of course he you know,

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01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:44.159
<v Speaker 2>he has the controls. So now let's talk about what

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<v Speaker 2>happens if I believe they're called Democrats. That's how you

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<v Speaker 2>pronounce it. I've never I've only read it. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>heard it said, I've never seen one. But these democrats

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<v Speaker 2>very elusive, an elusive creature. Yes, these Democrats, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're nocturnal. No, but but.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh, their main weapon is the strongly worded let's.

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<v Speaker 2>Strongly worded letters. So look, the hope, right is that

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<v Speaker 2>we can win the House. The Senate is not off

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01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:10.320
<v Speaker 2>the table. I want to get to what you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>what you hope for Democrats in a post Trump world.

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01:08:12.800 --> 01:08:16.119
<v Speaker 2>But before we get there, Democrats would have to model

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01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:17.760
<v Speaker 2>what it looks like for them to be in power

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01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:20.039
<v Speaker 2>if they win the House. What do you think a

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01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:24.239
<v Speaker 2>democratic House majority that has control of committees and saboena

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01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:28.600
<v Speaker 2>powers but can't legislate without getting things signed by Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that look like to you?

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<v Speaker 5>It looks like investigating what we can investigate right now,

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01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:36.640
<v Speaker 5>which is the rampant corruption that we're seeing across the government.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, my god, Trump's kids are taking in millions,

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01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:43.920
<v Speaker 5>hundreds of millions of dollars in government contracts, DD contracts.

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<v Speaker 5>We're seeing short sales five minutes before some major White

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01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.680
<v Speaker 5>House announcement that makes somebody a millionaire one hundred times over.

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<v Speaker 5>We're seeing these foreign investments via World Liberty financial in

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<v Speaker 5>the Trump's mean coins and stable coins and and cryptocurrency.

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<v Speaker 5>All of this stuff is happening in broad daylight. It's

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<v Speaker 5>clear that it is beyond illegal, but there is this

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<v Speaker 5>sense that crime is just legal in the Trump era,

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<v Speaker 5>so long as a Republican commits it, or you're willing

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<v Speaker 5>to pay Trump the requisite amount, you know, a million

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<v Speaker 5>dollars to get a pardon or whatever you need. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think that in this rare sliver of time where

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<v Speaker 5>hopefully when Democrats have the gavels, they'll use that time.

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<v Speaker 5>Obviously you can't legislate, but you can use that time

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<v Speaker 5>to investigate this stuff. And by getting a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>this stuff out there and starting these investigations. Hopefully you

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<v Speaker 5>pave the way for the DOJ to pick up a

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<v Speaker 5>Democratic DOJ to pick up where they've left off. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>the January sixth Committee in large part was able to

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<v Speaker 5>inform the prosecutions that came afterwards. Now I would argue

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<v Speaker 5>that those prosecutions came too little, too late, and the

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01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:54.319
<v Speaker 5>fecklessness of Merrick Garland's DOJ is in large part why

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<v Speaker 5>we're here. But the reality is that we can use

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<v Speaker 5>this time not only to in the messaging war, because

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<v Speaker 5>this stuff obviously resonates. I mean, restoring the rule of

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01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:08.520
<v Speaker 5>law against the corrupt government is in large part what

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<v Speaker 5>Trump himself ran on against the Democrats, except he's doing

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<v Speaker 5>it a thousand times bigger. But it also has some

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01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:17.520
<v Speaker 5>practical effects because then you can have a DOJ that

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<v Speaker 5>uses a lot of what Congress was able to find

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<v Speaker 5>on these fact finding missions to actually move forward and

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01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:25.760
<v Speaker 5>prosecute some of this illegality so we can get back

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<v Speaker 5>to a world where law and order actually exists.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of pulling about views of Democrats

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01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:38.159
<v Speaker 2>and Democrats. It is a deeply tarnished brand. It is

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01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:43.000
<v Speaker 2>unpopular obviously among Republicans, but also Democratic voters are deeply

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01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:49.000
<v Speaker 2>frustrated by the Democratic Party. We've seen insurgent campaigns defeating incumbents.

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01:10:49.479 --> 01:10:53.039
<v Speaker 2>What does it look like to have a Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 2>after Trump that you think meets the moment and meets

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01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:01.920
<v Speaker 2>the expectations of the most engaged Democratic voters.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think if Trump has shown us anything, it's

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<v Speaker 5>that a lot of the institutions that we take as

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<v Speaker 5>as sacracanct are not. I mean, Trump is barreled through everything.

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<v Speaker 5>He doesn't listen to the law, the constitution, the courts, attorneys,

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<v Speaker 5>any other branch of government.

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<v Speaker 6>He just does whatever he wants.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, you would not find a Democrat ever who

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<v Speaker 5>would get into office and then raise the East wing

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<v Speaker 5>of the White House to the ground. It just wouldn't happen.

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<v Speaker 5>There's so much deference to norms and traditions and institutions.

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01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:34.520
<v Speaker 5>Trump has shown that if there's a will, there's a way.

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<v Speaker 5>Now he's done it for self enrichment. He's done it

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<v Speaker 5>so that he can entrine the Oval Office in gold

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01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:42.039
<v Speaker 5>and build a ballroom for himself, and launder money through

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01:11:42.039 --> 01:11:44.880
<v Speaker 5>foreign countries into his own pockets and his family's pockets,

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01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:47.239
<v Speaker 5>and build up his real estate portfolio.

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<v Speaker 6>So he's doing it for bad reasons.

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01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:53.680
<v Speaker 5>My argument is that Democrat should look at what Trump's

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01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:56.960
<v Speaker 5>doing and use that for virtuous reasons to deliver Medicare

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01:11:57.000 --> 01:11:59.039
<v Speaker 5>for all. It is long past time that we have

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01:11:59.399 --> 01:12:01.319
<v Speaker 5>universal health care and the richest country in the world,

1509
01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:04.239
<v Speaker 5>it's crazy that we don't to combat climate change, the

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01:12:04.279 --> 01:12:09.000
<v Speaker 5>existential issue of our time, to expand voting rights, especially

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01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:12.079
<v Speaker 5>at a time when they're contracting across the country amid

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01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:14.359
<v Speaker 5>the fall of the Voting Rights Act. There are so

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01:12:14.439 --> 01:12:17.920
<v Speaker 5>many things that we can do that we allow these

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01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:21.520
<v Speaker 5>norms and traditions to block us from doing. But I

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<v Speaker 5>think we have to get past this idea that even

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01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:28.039
<v Speaker 5>the smallest speed bump is going to be an obstacle

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<v Speaker 5>for us. Our democratic officials are not in government so

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01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:35.479
<v Speaker 5>that they can pay deference to the institutions of government.

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01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:37.800
<v Speaker 5>They're there so that they can deliver outcomes for people.

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01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:39.359
<v Speaker 5>And if that means they have to find a way

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01:12:39.600 --> 01:12:43.840
<v Speaker 5>to circumvent these hurdles these processes.

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<v Speaker 6>Then so be it.

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<v Speaker 5>Because the reality is I think we're going to have

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01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:49.159
<v Speaker 5>a small window of time where we already know that

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01:12:49.239 --> 01:12:54.239
<v Speaker 5>there was a largely disillusioned with Democrats block of voters.

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01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:56.680
<v Speaker 5>That's why they went over to Republicans. Now we have

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01:12:56.720 --> 01:13:00.000
<v Speaker 5>a disillusioned block of Republican voters because trumpled about it

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<v Speaker 5>everything that he was going to do. So already trusting

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01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:07.359
<v Speaker 5>government is at extreme lows. We have a second I

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01:13:07.399 --> 01:13:09.000
<v Speaker 5>think I believe we're gonna have a second bite of

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01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:10.880
<v Speaker 5>the apple here where we can bring people back into

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01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:13.720
<v Speaker 5>this tent. But if we don't deliver, if it's good

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01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:17.000
<v Speaker 5>enough that Democrats can just notch symbolic victories and get

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01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:21.800
<v Speaker 5>caught trying before eventually something inevitably goes wrong, then I

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01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:24.159
<v Speaker 5>think you're just gonna lose large swaths of the population.

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<v Speaker 5>And when you have an electorate that's that disaffected, I

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01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:31.479
<v Speaker 5>think that's the conditions in which autocracy thrives.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it does start to become about what it

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01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:37.159
<v Speaker 2>looks like. I agree in a sense that Democrats need

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01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:44.199
<v Speaker 2>to need to take from Trump a willingness to push

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01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:48.199
<v Speaker 2>harder against the lawyers. Basically, and we have better lawyers

1542
01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:50.920
<v Speaker 2>than they have, but you gotta sometimes, you know, push

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01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:53.399
<v Speaker 2>your lawyers fine like, I think democratic administrations have been

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01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:58.239
<v Speaker 2>too differential to the lawyers, especially around questions that are

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01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:02.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of I would more like philosophical rather than like

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01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:04.399
<v Speaker 2>kind of on the page. But at the same time,

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01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court has had has given him immunity, which

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01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:11.840
<v Speaker 2>was a terrible decision. They've ruled with him more often

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01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:14.640
<v Speaker 2>than they haven't, but he has been stymied by the

1550
01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:18.079
<v Speaker 2>courts in part, especially the lower courts, in part because

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01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:21.800
<v Speaker 2>they have been so ham fisted and so aggressive in

1552
01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:24.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to do things that are just run against the

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01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:28.439
<v Speaker 2>plain language of the law. So I do want us

1554
01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:31.119
<v Speaker 2>to learn the lesson from Trump that we can be

1555
01:14:31.239 --> 01:14:36.079
<v Speaker 2>more aggressive and move faster and try things based on

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01:14:36.159 --> 01:14:39.039
<v Speaker 2>what we believe are like solid legal grounds, even if

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01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:42.520
<v Speaker 2>they might be questioned by the courts. But at the

1558
01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:45.840
<v Speaker 2>same time, like he's cheating, we're trying to prove the

1559
01:14:45.840 --> 01:14:49.159
<v Speaker 2>games worth playing, right, like we're playing against cheaters, but

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01:14:49.239 --> 01:14:51.239
<v Speaker 2>we believe in the sport, We like the rules of

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01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:54.119
<v Speaker 2>the sport. We are we you know, we're trying to

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01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:56.479
<v Speaker 2>make sure people like you know, like we were watching

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01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:58.840
<v Speaker 2>them get away with murder and bribing the refs and

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01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:00.399
<v Speaker 2>all the rest. But we're trying to make a case

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<v Speaker 2>to people that democracy is a game worth playing. As

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01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:04.880
<v Speaker 2>you have in the book with in the conversation with

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01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:07.359
<v Speaker 2>President Obama, we have a tougher job than they do,

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<v Speaker 2>and part we do believe in that part of democratic

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01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:16.479
<v Speaker 2>practice is understanding that laws are made by people and

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<v Speaker 2>not one person deciding what the laws right.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm definitely not advocating for tearing down or democracy. I'm

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01:15:26.479 --> 01:15:29.560
<v Speaker 5>advocating for making it work for people, making it a

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01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:32.800
<v Speaker 5>more efficient process. I mean, you know, you've spoken at length,

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<v Speaker 5>whether it's something so granulars as housing right here where

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01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:40.119
<v Speaker 5>we are in Los Angeles, or whether it's these you know,

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01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:43.760
<v Speaker 5>these big issues like Obama's you know, ultimate goal was

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01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:46.800
<v Speaker 5>to get single payer health care. That's what the ACA

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01:15:47.000 --> 01:15:51.520
<v Speaker 5>was initially viewed as being. So I think that that,

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01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:54.079
<v Speaker 5>you know, in either one of those scenarios, either when

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01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:56.600
<v Speaker 5>you're looking at a local level or big ticket ideas

1581
01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:58.880
<v Speaker 5>on a federal level, it's not necessarily a matter of

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01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:02.560
<v Speaker 5>tearing down. It's a matter of making it, making it

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01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:06.039
<v Speaker 5>work for actual people and delivering outcomes so that you're

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<v Speaker 5>not just allowing yourself to be stymied by what Republicans

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01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:13.840
<v Speaker 5>view as the smallest speed bumps ever and what Democrats

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01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:17.199
<v Speaker 5>view as just immovable impasses.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of immovable uh, they prought Mitch McConnell up holding

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01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:26.479
<v Speaker 2>up the newspaper like he's a hostage. Did you do

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01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:28.880
<v Speaker 2>you find that reassuring? What do you like? Uh, like

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01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:32.239
<v Speaker 2>we meant to he's not speaking, he's just a statement.

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01:16:32.359 --> 01:16:34.760
<v Speaker 2>There's a picture of him. He is alive. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think that's the only question people have for their senators.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you what do you think is going on

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01:16:39.479 --> 01:16:39.880
<v Speaker 2>with Mitch.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm really skeptical of conspiracy theories, but I mean, he

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01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:47.159
<v Speaker 5>looked really good in that picture. Yeah, Like I think

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01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:51.279
<v Speaker 5>if you've just been unconscious for like three weeks, maybe

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01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:52.840
<v Speaker 5>you would have less color in your face.

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<v Speaker 6>So look again, I try not to respect you.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want to do conspiracy theories. We're responsible people,

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01:16:59.479 --> 01:17:00.920
<v Speaker 2>or we're civil people, but.

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<v Speaker 5>We live in an era where it's easy to fake stuff.

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01:17:04.159 --> 01:17:07.159
<v Speaker 5>And he looked damn good in that hospital bed, So.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll just leave it at that. I think conspiracy theories

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01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:16.359
<v Speaker 2>thrive online because it rewards people who are It rewards

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01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:23.439
<v Speaker 2>kind of paranoid and kind of cynical sentiments. But it

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<v Speaker 2>also I think speaks to something about this era where

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't think you don't need to be a

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01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:33.800
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theorist to have a lot of questions about a

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<v Speaker 2>senator checking into the hospital on June fourteenth, there being

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<v Speaker 2>an audio from the dispatch saying someone was unconscious and

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<v Speaker 2>in cardiac arrest. The only statements are coming from his staff,

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01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:49.119
<v Speaker 2>and then the only sign of life is a single

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01:17:49.159 --> 01:17:54.800
<v Speaker 2>picture posted without any video or comment directly from the senator.

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<v Speaker 2>So part of it is it's the Internet makes people

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<v Speaker 2>not trust where but so do these fucking people.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I mean, look that you cannot if you're

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<v Speaker 5>a Republican, you can't be surprised when when this is

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<v Speaker 5>the this is the environment, you have to contend with

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<v Speaker 5>the same environment that that you in large part created

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<v Speaker 5>and nurtured is now kind of turning against well one

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<v Speaker 5>of their own in Mitch McConnell.

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<v Speaker 2>And hopefully this fall we can uh you know, defeat

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01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:28.199
<v Speaker 2>some of them and then eventually have power and then

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<v Speaker 2>we can wield that power. Brian, thanks for joining. The

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<v Speaker 2>book is The Day After How to Wield Power in

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<v Speaker 2>a Post Trump World. It is out today. Everybody should

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01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:40.359
<v Speaker 2>pick it up, uh, and everybody should subscribe to Brian's

1629
01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:44.079
<v Speaker 2>YouTube where he is getting good information to people and

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<v Speaker 2>competing with We're as We're all doing competing with the

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<v Speaker 2>right on the Internet to try to you know, get

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<v Speaker 2>some get some wins in that algorithm. Brian, good to

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<v Speaker 2>see us it, love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks so much, Thanks Brian Tyler Cohen for coming on

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<v Speaker 3>the show. Dan and I will be back with a

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<v Speaker 3>new show on Friday. Positive America is a Crooked Media production.

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<v Speaker 3>Our show is produced by Austin Fisher, Saul Ruben, McKenna Roberts,

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<v Speaker 3>Our team includes Matt de Groate, Ben Hefcote, Jordan Knt,

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