1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,799 Speaker 1: My first exposure to you know, I guess my only 2 00:00:04,839 --> 00:00:07,400 exposure related to guns and gun control was just the media. 3 00:00:07,679 --> 00:00:13,039 Right ninety seven I met my would be wife online 4 00:00:13,439 --> 00:00:15,679 and she was living in Camden, New Jersey at the time, 5 00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:18,480 which was the murder capital of the United States. And 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,960 one night we're on the phone talking and I hear 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,600 gunshots very clearly through the receiver, and then she doesn't 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,719 answer when I said her name. 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:40,439 Speaker 2: I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is gun Talk Nation. 10 00:00:46,039 --> 00:00:51,240 Gun Talk Nation is brought to you by Ruger Arcan Firearms, 11 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:58,479 Range Ready, cold Shooting, Sports, life and Silence are Central. Hey, 12 00:00:58,479 --> 00:01:01,560 welcome into gun Talk Nation today. Gun Talk Nation, We've 13 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:03,920 got a guy that actually knows something about guns and 14 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,519 gun rights. You know, we bring on experts to help me. 15 00:01:07,239 --> 00:01:09,840 You know, I'm just a talking monkey here. But we 16 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,319 got Cam Edwards. You guys probably know him and you 17 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,560 love him because Cam, you've been at this a hot minute. 18 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,359 You've been talking about guns and gun rights for a 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:19,799 couple decades, right. 20 00:01:21,239 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, not as long as Tom Gresham, but get it 21 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,760 up there. This is my twenty second year. Cam and 22 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:31,799 Company started on Terra News in two thousand and four. 23 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 3: So yeah, I've been at it for quite a while. 24 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:41,359 Speaker 2: And before that, you were just like a pro radio guy, right, I. 25 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 3: Mean I was a paid radio guy. I don't know 26 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,040 how much of a pro I was. 27 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: But makes you professional, that's the trick. If you're getting 28 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:52,319 true on it, you know, now it's official you're professional. 29 00:01:53,439 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: Well, then there you go. Yes. Yeah. 30 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,079 Speaker 1: I started out in radio in nineteen ninety seven and 31 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:04,560 did all kinds of radio in Oklahoma City for the 32 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:07,000 first seven years. I was doing morning drive on the 33 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:10,680 talk station when I got approached to do Camon Company 34 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:13,560 and kind of thought to myself, do I want to 35 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:16,000 be like the local guy because I grew up in 36 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:17,919 Oklahoma City and that was my hometown. You know, Do 37 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,919 I want to kind of stay there and try to 38 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,719 be the local legend, or do I want to roll 39 00:02:22,759 --> 00:02:24,879 the dice? And you know, see what happens if I 40 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,840 break out of my comfort zone. And I'm glad I did, 41 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:29,800 because I don't think there's anybody that was at the 42 00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:32,280 radio station when I worked there in two thousand and 43 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:35,319 four that is still there today because just. 44 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: The nature of the business. 45 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,599 Speaker 1: But you know, here I am twenty two years later, 46 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:42,199 not with the NA News, but still doing Cam and 47 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,680 Company and still, you know, very much covering a topic 48 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,479 that is near and dear to my heart and I 49 00:02:48,479 --> 00:02:53,719 think is incredibly important to who we are as a country. 50 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: You've been covered for so long. And going back to 51 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,560 the radio thing. Yes, radio industry is make you place 52 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:02,960 to be. You've been in it. I've been in it 53 00:03:03,039 --> 00:03:05,759 even before gun talk. I was. I was doing like 54 00:03:05,879 --> 00:03:09,960 local radio stuff in Baton Rouge for a little bit there. 55 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,759 But yeah, it's barely anyone works at radio stations anymore. 56 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,960 You know, people listen to this and may not realize it, 57 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,599 but like the radio stations you hear, they're you know, 58 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:22,400 they're being run. They're running like ten or twenty radio 59 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:25,680 stations from one like office in you know, Houston or 60 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,639 Atlanta or whatever. So yeah, it's it's it's a different 61 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:29,240 world now. 62 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:30,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. 63 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,639 Speaker 2: You you live in Virginia, you are, you are ground 64 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:38,080 zero for a lot of the craziness that's been going 65 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,759 on lately. Help people around the country understand, because I 66 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,520 know a lot of people have jobs and have other 67 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,560 things going on they haven't paid attention. Help them understand 68 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,759 basically how bad it is and what's going on. 69 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:55,719 Speaker 1: The fight there, sure so I mean, I think you 70 00:03:55,759 --> 00:03:59,479 really have to go back to like twenty nineteen. That 71 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:03,000 was the first time in thirty years that Democrats gained 72 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,759 complete control of the state government. So they had majorities 73 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,199 in the General Assembly, which is our state legislature. They 74 00:04:09,199 --> 00:04:11,639 had the Governor's office, lived in the Governor's office, Attorney 75 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:16,360 General's office, and then Governor Ralph Northam right after election day, 76 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:20,480 said we're going for a gun ban. And it wasn't 77 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,879 just a ban on the purchase, in the sale the 78 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,360 transfer of the manufacturer. It was it was going to 79 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:27,639 be a ban on possession too. 80 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: So they didn't hide it the no oh no, not 81 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:32,319 at all. 82 00:04:32,399 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean they were talking about this in November of 83 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,879 twenty nineteen, going into the twenty twenty legislative session right 84 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,000 after election day, and what you saw in Virginia was 85 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:49,279 this explosion of a segment and sanctuary movement where in 86 00:04:50,079 --> 00:04:52,800 you know, all of these small rural counties and even 87 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:58,120 into you know, the Richmond suburbs, you had hundreds of people, 88 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,600 You had thousands of people in some case is showing 89 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,120 up for these county supervisors meetings where normally you might 90 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,480 have six or eight people in attendance. 91 00:05:05,639 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 3: Right, I mean, I mean it just nobody's there. I 92 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,319 remember the first one I went to. 93 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,079 Speaker 1: I drove about forty five minutes away to a place 94 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:16,199 called Amelia Courthouse. 95 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: This is the county seat of Amelia County, and it 96 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:21,920 was an evening meeting. And I'm pulling in. 97 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm driving into town and I get maybe like a 98 00:05:26,079 --> 00:05:29,360 quarter mile away from the courthouse where the meetings are held. 99 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 3: The streets are full, like there's I had. 100 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,519 Speaker 1: To turn around so I could go park my car, 101 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,839 and then I start walking towards the courthouse and there 102 00:05:37,879 --> 00:05:41,639 are easily five hundred people outside of the courthouse because 103 00:05:41,879 --> 00:05:46,600 you can't get inside the courthouse to sit down. Philip 104 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:48,839 Van Cleef from the Virginia Citizen Defensive League was there. 105 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,879 It was just I got I got chills, you. 106 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,959 Speaker 3: Know, covering this. I'd never seen anything like it. 107 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,879 Speaker 1: And you know, this just continued throughout November December of 108 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,800 twenty nineteen. January twenty twenty sixth, the Virginia Citizen officially 109 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:11,319 holds its annual Lobby Day rally in downtown Richmond, and 110 00:06:12,079 --> 00:06:15,399 Democrats had made the capital a a gun free zone 111 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,720 so you couldn't carry onto the Capitol grounds. Still they 112 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,680 were about I would say four to five thousand people 113 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,600 who you know, forsake their segment of rights. They wanted 114 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,399 to be there on the Capitol grounds. But then beyond 115 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:33,879 that perimeter there were And I was up at the 116 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,360 top of the hill. I was a speaker that day, 117 00:06:35,399 --> 00:06:37,399 so I was able to look down on the crowd. 118 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,319 Speaker 3: I'd say easily thirty to forty maybe fifty thousand people 119 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:41,240 in downtown Richmond. 120 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:46,759 Speaker 1: Unbelievable and I'd never seen anything like it. And as 121 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:51,439 a result of this massive outcry, Democrats could not get 122 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:52,399 their gun ban through. 123 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 3: They were able. 124 00:06:53,399 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: To pass about five or six lesser gun control laws, 125 00:06:57,079 --> 00:06:57,800 including NEO, a. 126 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:01,319 Speaker 3: Red flag law. They passed quote unuote universal. 127 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:03,959 Speaker 1: Background checks, but they could not get their gun ban 128 00:07:04,079 --> 00:07:04,519 in place. 129 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: So cam you're saying, when citizens show up it makes 130 00:07:07,879 --> 00:07:08,839 a difference. 131 00:07:09,519 --> 00:07:13,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing how that happens, right. And then in 132 00:07:13,439 --> 00:07:16,439 twenty twenty one, Republicans took back control of the Governor's 133 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,639 office the Attorney General's office, and so Democrats weren't in 134 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:22,439 a position to pass any new gun control legislation, or rather, 135 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:23,839 they passed a bunch, but they were. 136 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,839 Speaker 3: All vetoed by Governor Glenn Younkin right then last November. 137 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:34,639 Speaker 1: Through a I think a confluence of events including, you know, 138 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,079 just political headwinds at the national level, I think a 139 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,120 pretty weak slate of candidates for governor lieutenant governor. On 140 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:45,000 the Republican side, Democrats not only recaptured state government, they 141 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,759 got basically the super majority in the House of Delegates, 142 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,879 so they they felt like they had, you know, the 143 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,439 backing of the people of Virginia to go all in 144 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:59,639 on gun control. Even though these folks weren't running campaign 145 00:07:59,639 --> 00:08:01,720 commercial was talking about We're going to ban a soul weapons. 146 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,519 They you know, they were they were running campaign persons 147 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,079 on affordability and you know, these real sort of kitchen 148 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,800 table values. And then as soon as they get to 149 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:12,360 Richmond again, the gun bands start, you know that, the 150 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:17,279 bills start coming uh and ultimately, in one session five months, 151 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:22,639 they passed over twenty pieces of gun related legislation. I 152 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,120 think about a dozen major gun control bills. We've talked 153 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,759 a lot about the ban on the sole weapons of 154 00:08:27,839 --> 00:08:31,680 large capacity magazines, but they also passed a bill that 155 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:35,200 bans the purchase of firearms by adults under the age 156 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,600 of twenty one. There are new storage requirements for firearms 157 00:08:38,639 --> 00:08:40,639 in your vehicle and for firearms in your home. 158 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: Uh. 159 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: They established I think it's called the Virginia Gun Violence 160 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,879 Research Center, which is basically going to be, you know, 161 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:50,120 a jobs program for anti gun activists, like we saw 162 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:50,720 at the White House. 163 00:08:50,799 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: Under Joe Biden. 164 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,519 Speaker 1: Passed a bill that is going to make it easier 165 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,080 to you know, sue gun makers, sellers, distributors, holding them 166 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:00,720 responsible for the act of criminals. 167 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,919 Speaker 3: We went from a state with pretty. 168 00:09:02,759 --> 00:09:08,759 Speaker 1: Good gun laws to becoming East California pretty much overnight. 169 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:14,000 And it is you know, I think again you talk 170 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:17,240 about people turning out and showing up. That didn't happen 171 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,440 to some degree in the twenty twenty five elections. 172 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 2: Wow, why did it happen in twenty nineteen and then 173 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,960 it didn't happen in twenty twenty five? 174 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,279 Speaker 1: Well, you know, so a I think it didn't happen 175 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:33,279 in twenty nineteen either, Right, that's when Democrats took over 176 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:34,159 twenty twenty. 177 00:09:33,919 --> 00:09:35,639 Speaker 2: One, twenty one. 178 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: Again, I think that there was a I think he 179 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,200 had some good candidates on the Republican side. Glenn Youngkin 180 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,919 was not you know, here's not a fire breather. He's 181 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,559 not a guy that is going to get you know, 182 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:48,639 I think a lot of attention from conservative media. But 183 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,759 in Virginia, you can't just appeal to conservatives to win, right, 184 00:09:51,759 --> 00:09:53,720 I mean, we are at best a purple state. 185 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 3: You've got to be able to appeal to moderates. 186 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,759 Speaker 1: And Democrats had also really overreached, not only on the 187 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:03,720 gun issue, but there was a lot of a lot 188 00:10:03,759 --> 00:10:07,559 of concern about what school boards were doing in terms 189 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,320 of you know, DEI issues, transitions, things that weren't related 190 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,200 to Second Amendment issues, but you had a lot of 191 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:16,080 parental concern and that drove turnout I think for Republicans. 192 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,279 And this time around again I think, you know, again, 193 00:10:19,279 --> 00:10:21,039 when you've got Republicans in the White House, it makes 194 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,519 it easier for Democrats to win other elections. 195 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 3: So we had that. I think that was a headwind. 196 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:30,440 But you know, right, I got to tell you, man. 197 00:10:30,279 --> 00:10:32,279 Speaker 1: It was really weird win some Earl Sears, who was 198 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,159 the gubernatorial candidate last year in Virginia. She was our 199 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,559 lieutenant governor and when she ran for lieutenant governor, she 200 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,240 leaned in to Second Amendment issues. I mean she ran 201 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,080 commercials where she's holding an AR fifteen. 202 00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:45,759 Speaker 3: This time around. 203 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: It was Abigail Spenberger, her Democrat opponent, who was running 204 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,039 the footage of her uh of winsom Earl's years holding 205 00:10:52,039 --> 00:10:54,120 an AR fifteen, and she was attacking her for it, 206 00:10:54,519 --> 00:10:57,200 and winsom Earl series didn't have much to say about it. 207 00:10:57,279 --> 00:11:00,960 She wasn't really you know, she wasn't bad on segment issues. 208 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,440 She just wasn't talking much. 209 00:11:02,279 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: About segment issues, and that I think hurt her. 210 00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: I think she was a pretty weak candidate, not just 211 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,600 on two AA issues. She simply kind of didn't show 212 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,200 up for a lot of events. I mean, there were 213 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,759 just you know, some other deeper problems with her campaign, 214 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,080 but she didn't give gun. 215 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:22,639 Speaker 3: Owners a reason to go and vote for her. 216 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: She didn't talk about the dangers to come if Abigail 217 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,679 Spamberger got elected, if Democrats took over the state legislature, 218 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:32,200 right that they just there were not a lot of 219 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,039 Republican candidates, at least at the top of the ticket, 220 00:11:34,039 --> 00:11:36,919 who were talking about two A issues, and I think 221 00:11:36,919 --> 00:11:38,120 that was to their detriment. 222 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: Cam do you think that is that a case of 223 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,919 because and I'm a little bit ignorant on you know, 224 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,480 the Virginia gubernatorial candidates. But was this a case of like, Okay, 225 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:52,080 I'm a Republican. I got to look at the Republican 226 00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:57,639 part and maybe not being like, yeah, I'm not anti gun, 227 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,080 but I'm not really like an active gun enthusiasts. But 228 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:04,279 my campaign manager wants me to do this video or 229 00:12:04,279 --> 00:12:07,039 this photo op with a gun, but then you can't 230 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:11,200 really back it up when someone attacks you on it. 231 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: You know, it could have been that, but I mean 232 00:12:13,399 --> 00:12:16,080 I really got the sense when Win some Earl Series 233 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:18,799 is running for lieutenant governor that the Second Amendment was 234 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:21,919 important to her and it maybe that this last go 235 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,200 round her campaign managers were telling her, hey, played down 236 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,279 this issue. You know, we don't want you to talk 237 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:28,840 about it. 238 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: That was the case. I think it was a mistake. 239 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:32,399 You know, again, in. 240 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:37,039 Speaker 1: Virginia politics, Republicans have to appeal to moderates. But there's 241 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,519 a way to do that, right, I mean, Win some 242 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,120 Earl Series could have talked about if you want your 243 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,679 right to carry, and there are plenty of Democrats and 244 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,240 independence who have their concealed carry license. You know, here's 245 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,879 what the Democrats are proposing. They want to go after 246 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,919 commonly owned firearms. They want to go after commonly owned magazines. 247 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,440 You know, again, there's a way to approach this issue 248 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,919 that frankly, I think it's insulting to assume that moderate 249 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,639 voters won't get this or moderate voters don't care about it. 250 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,000 You don't have to be in favor of abolishing the 251 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:11,080 ATF and getting rid of every gun along the books 252 00:13:11,919 --> 00:13:14,919 to be concerned about your secondment rights. And so I 253 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,080 think that they really left this issue on the table. 254 00:13:17,879 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: Well, Kim just laid it out. He laid it out 255 00:13:19,759 --> 00:13:22,000 how it happened and how it can happen other places. 256 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,279 And that's what we're going to talk about when we 257 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,639 get back after this break. 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I mean, help them care cam 288 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,279 because I know that it actually matters of what's happening 289 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:33,279 there in Virginia. 290 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,159 Speaker 1: Sure, you know, so, I think there are a couple 291 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,679 of ways of looking at this. First of all, there 292 00:15:37,679 --> 00:15:40,240 are a lot of states that are you know, a 293 00:15:40,279 --> 00:15:43,000 lot closer than you might think, right. I mean, Pennsylvania 294 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,919 you've got basically one chamber of the legislature controlled by Republicans. 295 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:51,440 North Carolina you've got a Democrat governor. You've got a 296 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:56,039 Republican legislature. There's one seat in Minnesota. That's the difference 297 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,080 between a gun band getting through and a gun ban 298 00:15:59,159 --> 00:15:59,879 not getting through. 299 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 3: You know. So elections matter. 300 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: And even if it's not a matter of Texas going 301 00:16:06,559 --> 00:16:09,360 from you know, bright red to deep blue and one 302 00:16:09,399 --> 00:16:13,600 election cycle, when you start to see erosion of support, 303 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,039 that that can build up over. 304 00:16:16,159 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: You know, two or four years, and so you've got 305 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,320 to do what you can to stop that in his tracks. 306 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,919 Speaker 1: So, yeah, even if you live in a state safe 307 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:27,440 state now doesn't mean that it's going to be a 308 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,799 safe state ten years from now. 309 00:16:29,639 --> 00:16:29,759 Speaker 3: Uh. 310 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: And again, a lot of states are really on that 311 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,679 razor's edge in terms of one election can flip things, 312 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,919 and all of a sudden you do have the anti 313 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,639 gunners in complete control of state government. And why that 314 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,519 matters is because they're not moderate on this issue. You know, 315 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:50,120 there was there was no concern among Democrats in Virginia 316 00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:52,279 this year about well, what if this doesn't play well 317 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:54,919 with the voters, right, maybe we should hold back, Maybe 318 00:16:54,919 --> 00:16:57,720 we should you know, scale these things down. Maybe we 319 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,120 should offer you know, gun owners a bone to and 320 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,799 say that we're you know, we look, look, we don't 321 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:02,720 hate the Second Amendment. 322 00:17:02,799 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 3: There's none of that. It was let's get away with 323 00:17:05,519 --> 00:17:06,960 as much as we possibly can. 324 00:17:07,519 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: Well, they left some stuff on the table for next year, 325 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,839 like a five hundred dollars tax on suppressors in eleven 326 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:17,200 percent excise tax on firearms and ammunition. But they also 327 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:19,559 didn't want to be pegged with being the party of 328 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,720 raising taxes, right, so they'll leave that for an off 329 00:17:22,799 --> 00:17:25,599 year when they go and raise the cost of exercising 330 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,559 their segment rights. So that's one concern. Even if you 331 00:17:29,599 --> 00:17:31,519 live in a safe state now, it doesn't mean that 332 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:33,400 it's going to be a safe state always, but but 333 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,319 you know, two, we're not just talking about state elections 334 00:17:37,319 --> 00:17:40,279 in local elections, federal elections. 335 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,799 Speaker 3: Matter as well. And we see this in Washington, d C. 336 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: We had the One Big Beautiful Bill Act, which you know, 337 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:50,079 zeroed out the taxes on most NFA items that wouldn't 338 00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:53,680 have happened without Republicans. Republicans found a way to get 339 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,240 that done even without sixty votes in the Senate, because 340 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,920 they were able to attach it to a budget bill. 341 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,359 So you know, listen, I Ryan, I hate politics. I 342 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,440 mean I'm fed up with politics. I have been for 343 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:09,119 quite some time. The list of political figures or I 344 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,319 generally admire you probably name on one hand, I have 345 00:18:12,319 --> 00:18:12,799 a couple. 346 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:13,599 Speaker 3: Of fingers left over. 347 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you have to be engaged and you have 348 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,119 to be involved because even if you don't want to 349 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,920 pay any attention to politics, the politicians are paying attention 350 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:23,440 to you. 351 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,839 Speaker 2: Well, and you don't want to be that guy where 352 00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:29,319 like you're saying, well, I, oh, listen, I got a job. 353 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,039 I can't just go to the Capitol whenever, you know, 354 00:18:32,079 --> 00:18:34,880 I got stuff to do. And then it's like you 355 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,279 turn around and go, wait, what happened they did? What? 356 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 3: Right? 357 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: I didn't think that they could actually get that passed 358 00:18:40,519 --> 00:18:43,359 or they couldn't possibly do that. We have the Second Amendment. 359 00:18:43,839 --> 00:18:47,920 You're going apparently, like Cam said, they don't care and 360 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,559 it's like all in on this stuff. They're not trying 361 00:18:51,599 --> 00:18:54,200 to win the hearts and minds and be fair or 362 00:18:54,279 --> 00:18:57,240 be balanced of any sort. Right, it is what I 363 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,440 like or don't like, and we're just going to go 364 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:01,720 forward with it. I don't give a you know what 365 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:03,599 about these other people. 366 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's absolutely right, And I mean, listen, I 367 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:09,759 get it. Some people aren't gonna be able to take 368 00:19:09,799 --> 00:19:12,079 time off and go to the US Capitol or even 369 00:19:12,079 --> 00:19:15,319 their state capital. But you can take five minutes to 370 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,799 send an email, right, you can take five minutes to 371 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:20,039 send a phone call a lot of times. You know, 372 00:19:20,079 --> 00:19:23,039 you can now testify online. So if you can't go 373 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,000 the you know, travel hours to the state capitol, can 374 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:28,920 you sit in front of your computer and you know, 375 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,680 wait an hour to give your public comment because that 376 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,759 matters too. I mean, listen, I would love to have 377 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:37,160 seen fifty thousand people show up to the Virginia Capital 378 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:38,200 for Lobby Day this year. 379 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: It didn't happen. 380 00:19:39,279 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: We had maybe maybe two thousand people and I think 381 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,279 it was actually probably less than that. So I you know, 382 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:51,200 even in Virginia we've seen I think this a sense 383 00:19:51,279 --> 00:19:53,480 that you know, well they've got the numbers, there's nothing 384 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,279 we can do about it. And you know, there's always 385 00:19:57,319 --> 00:19:59,640 something you can do about it. Politicians need to be 386 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,039 held to a count, They need to be told why 387 00:20:02,079 --> 00:20:04,440 this is wrong. If you do that in a public setting, 388 00:20:04,519 --> 00:20:06,200 you may not convince the politician, but you might be 389 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,799 convinced maybe be able to convince someone who's listening. 390 00:20:09,319 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: Well. And that's a good point, Ken because although I'll 391 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,559 on one hand, I'm going to say commenting on things 392 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:20,279 on social media doesn't move the needle, but but there 393 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,599 are things that go viral right on social media. You 394 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,079 show up to a council hearing, a you know, a 395 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,759 committee hearing or whatever, and there is stuff that can 396 00:20:32,839 --> 00:20:40,119 actually resonate and really get some traction if you actually 397 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:41,160 show up and do something. 398 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 399 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:48,319 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And and you know, the numbers it don't matter 400 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:51,359 as much as they should, but they still do matter 401 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,519 to some degree. And politicians, you know, are should be 402 00:20:56,599 --> 00:21:00,720 concerned about their their job security as an election you know, 403 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,400 they're just one election cycle away. 404 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 3: Now again, if you're dealing with, you know. 405 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: Politicians, you've got a safe seat and more and more 406 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,319 that seems to be where we're headed. 407 00:21:10,319 --> 00:21:11,799 Speaker 3: That you know, on both sides of the aisle, you've 408 00:21:11,799 --> 00:21:12,519 got your safe. 409 00:21:12,279 --> 00:21:14,279 Speaker 1: Districts that aren't just aren't as many swing districts at 410 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:17,519 the federal level and even at the state level as there. 411 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 3: Used to be. That makes it more difficult for for 412 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:24,319 our voices too to be heard. 413 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we can speak for whether or not anybody's listening, right, 414 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,839 I think it's another story. 415 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,559 Speaker 3: But you know, I look back at what happened in 416 00:21:31,559 --> 00:21:32,039 New Mexico. 417 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:35,519 Speaker 1: For example, this past session, Governor Michelle Lewin Grisham had 418 00:21:35,519 --> 00:21:38,920 been trying her entire time in office to pass a 419 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,160 semi auto band and that's what it was. The bill 420 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,680 that that she got behind banned gas operated semi automatic center. 421 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: Fire rifles, all of them. 422 00:21:50,599 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: Democrats have a majority in the Roundhouse, that's their state capital. 423 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,039 You've got a Democrat governor who was pushing this. The 424 00:21:57,039 --> 00:22:00,200 bill died at the last it too, I think was 425 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,119 the last or second to last day of the session. 426 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,599 But the bill died, and I think one of the 427 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,279 reasons for that is because at every one of these hearings, 428 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:14,519 you had a packed house full of gun owners from 429 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:17,799 all across the state who were willing to wait twelve 430 00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:23,640 thirteen hours to give their testimony about why this law 431 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,440 would hurt them, about why this law was unconstitutional, about. 432 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 3: Why this law was. 433 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: What was a mistake, not just from a constitutions perspective, 434 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,319 but from a public safety perspective. And New Mexico does 435 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,000 have a violent crime problem, but the way to do 436 00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:39,920 to address that is not by going after people who 437 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,440 aren't committing violent crimes or the guns that they lawfully own. Right, 438 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:46,279 And I think there were maybe one or two Democrats 439 00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:51,920 in the state legislature that heard these voices maybe thought 440 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,920 to themselves, Man, I'm out of office if I vote 441 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,519 for this. And that's all it took, right, one or 442 00:22:57,519 --> 00:23:00,079 two lawmakers. You didn't have to convince the entire I 443 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:02,559 are a Democratic caucus. You just had to convince enough 444 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:04,519 of them that this bill would go down to defeat. 445 00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:06,880 And that's what That's what happened. So, you know, the 446 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,279 Mexico Shooting Sports Association, I think that had a fantastic job. 447 00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:13,119 Gunners across the stadium Mexico did a fantastic job and 448 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,960 to me, that's really evidence that that grassroots activism still 449 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,839 works and does still make a difference. 450 00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great, Cam. And when we come back, let's 451 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,319 talk about some wins, because there actually is, there are 452 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,720 some positive things happening in the world of gun rights, 453 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,599 and we're going to talk about that, and then we're 454 00:23:30,599 --> 00:23:37,559 going to talk about Cam's guns. 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It's not 479 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,160 all doom and gloom, right, There is progress and actually 480 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,400 some pretty good ones in the works. Just happened and 481 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,880 they're going to happen. So give people a little update 482 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,079 on some of the good news out there in the 483 00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:32,000 world of gun rights. 484 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean listen, I mentioned the One Big 485 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,559 Beautiful Bill Act, where now at almost eight months in 486 00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:43,440 to these zero and out of NFA taxes and you know, 487 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,160 the sales of suppressors and short bailed firearms are still 488 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,839 running about one hundred percent higher than there were when 489 00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:52,359 this tax was in place. I mean, there has not 490 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,279 really been a slowdown, So that to me shows that 491 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,839 the demand for these items is there. I think it 492 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,759 was a huge win to zero out those taxes. I 493 00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:00,680 think they follow up now now it is to zero 494 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,240 out the registration requirement and essentially get rid of the 495 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:08,079 NFA for everything button machine guns, and that's a different 496 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,240 conversation entirely. I don't think, you know, Unfortunately, I don't 497 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,400 think there's a political appetite on Capitol Hill at the 498 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,680 moment to deregulate machine guns. 499 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 2: My buddy says, it doesn't pass the Normy test. You know. Yeah, 500 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:24,319 it's like, yeah, they just look at go. You know, 501 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,880 I'm pro gun, but that might be I'm not sure 502 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,039 if I can get on board with. 503 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 3: It, unfortunately. 504 00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: And you know, this is where I think we got 505 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,279 to look to culture and not politics, and we got 506 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:37,599 to change the culture before we. 507 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 3: Can change the politics on that issue. 508 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,759 Speaker 1: But you know, the Supreme Court we had a huge 509 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,640 I think the most important week of the Supreme Court 510 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,759 since the Heller decision came down in two thousand and eight. 511 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,519 Basically in the span of you know, maybe a week 512 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:55,920 and a half, you had the Harmoni decision, in which 513 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,759 the Supreme Court says a federal government cannot deprive every 514 00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:04,119 unlawful drug user from possessing a firearm because that term 515 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,839 encompasses people who are not dangerous to themselves or others. 516 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,200 That's I think going to have a lot of implications 517 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,200 going forward, certainly for those folks with medical marijuana licenses 518 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,920 or who live in states where you know, they can 519 00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:22,680 use marijuana for medical purposes that this is I think 520 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,039 this is a really big win because in some of 521 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,680 those states they've been unable to get a concealed carry 522 00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:31,440 license if they possess a medical marijuana card. We're already 523 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,680 seeing states say all right, we're not going to ask 524 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:34,640 about that anymore. 525 00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:37,039 Speaker 3: We've actually seen. 526 00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,599 Speaker 1: The ATF say that they had the chance to speak 527 00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:42,480 with Rob Rider as the chief counsel, and you know, 528 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:44,839 they recently revised the forty four to seventy three to 529 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,920 to tell perspective purchasers, Hey, if you're using medical marijuana 530 00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:52,000 courts of state law, you're not an unlawful user. I 531 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,519 think now they're going to drop that question entirely, at 532 00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:57,559 least when it comes to marijuana. That was the impression 533 00:27:57,599 --> 00:27:59,319 that I got that they're going to be more changes coming. 534 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,079 Then we had the Wolford decision where the Supreme Court 535 00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:05,279 struck down Hawaii's rule that band concealed carry on all 536 00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:09,480 private property open to the public by default. That that's huge. Again, 537 00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:13,079 Hawaii was the only state where this law had been 538 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,440 upheld up to that point, so it's not like we're 539 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,039 dealing with a law that's really common. But how the 540 00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:24,400 court got there, I think is hugely important. There was 541 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,839 a lot of talk of fleshing out about the you know, 542 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,559 what what these historical analogies have to look like in 543 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,519 order for them to be useful and upholding a modern 544 00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:35,759 gun law. And just as sam Alito said, the the 545 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,359 how of these laws and the why of these laws 546 00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:42,359 have to be pretty explicit and pretty close to what 547 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,559 this modern law looks like in order for you know, 548 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:49,480 a modern gun control prohibition to be upheld. And then 549 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,920 a couple of days after that, the Supreme Court announced 550 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,880 that it would be taking up a case two cases 551 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,240 actually dealing with bands on so called the sole weapons 552 00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:00,119 So they'll be doing that in the fall. They'll be 553 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,000 hearing a challenge to Cook County, Illinois ban as well 554 00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:06,519 as the ban imposed by the state of Connecticut. And 555 00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:10,920 moving went a long time for the Supreme Court to 556 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,839 take in a saw weapons case. I'm kind of surprised 557 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:15,880 that they did not take a case dealing with large 558 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,079 capacity magazines at the same time, because they had a 559 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:21,920 couple of those to choose from, but they instead just 560 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:23,240 kept a hold of those cases. 561 00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: But this is I mean, this is huge. 562 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:29,119 Speaker 1: Right if the Supreme Court comes out and says you 563 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,920 cannot ban commonly own firearms based on particular features. You 564 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,240 can't ban so called the sawaupents just because you say 565 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,680 they're scary or because you know, you claim that criminals 566 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,799 like to use them in mass shootings. They're far more 567 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,599 popular among lawful Americans for lawful purposes. 568 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 3: You know that that takes that takes the the fundamental 569 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,759 premise of the gun control movement off the table. 570 00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: Right, they lost the ability to ban handguns in heller 571 00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:01,480 to lose the ability to ban air fifteens and other 572 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,759 you know, commonly owned center fire, some automatic rifles and Vermontes. 573 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,680 At that point, the only thing that they can do 574 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,240 is exist to try to make it more difficult for 575 00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:16,000 you to exercise You're right to keep the bare arms. 576 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,640 They can't ban guns out right, they'll try, but like 577 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,759 the glock bands and things of that nature, right, they'll 578 00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:23,400 try to narrow down the guns that they're trying to ban. 579 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,880 But that would be absolutely huge, and it would be 580 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,759 I think the most important second of decision since Heller 581 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,839 and I feel really good about where the Supreme Court 582 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:35,960 is going to come down on that issue. 583 00:30:36,039 --> 00:30:39,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, the handicappers on this one feel like, you know, 584 00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:42,480 it's very likely we could get a favorable decision on this, 585 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,319 and I guess they'll hear it in the fall, and 586 00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:48,359 then what we usually hear decisions close to summertime next year. 587 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, given the we'll have to see when 588 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,039 oral argaments are scheduled. You know, this could be Typically 589 00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:59,039 the Court likes to wait until the last days of 590 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,759 its term to release them or controversial decisions. I suspect 591 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:05,680 this one will be pretty controversial, So this will probably 592 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,720 be another late June, maybe even early July decision if 593 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,519 they go that long. But I don't think it's gonna 594 00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:15,200 be one of the first decisions that they release in 595 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:15,839 next spring. 596 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:16,359 Speaker 3: Well. 597 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,519 Speaker 2: And also this is a reminder to everybody listening. What 598 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,279 Kim's talking about is, Yay, we're having all these wins 599 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:28,359 in lawsuits. So that costs a lot a lot of money. Guys, 600 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,240 So support your gun rights groups. I don't care if 601 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:36,480 it's GUA or saf or NRA or just but you 602 00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:38,720 got to get in there and support them and like 603 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,279 pony up the money. That's what we're saying. Like it 604 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,720 takes dollars to make this stuff happen. 605 00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:46,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it can take thousands of dollars just 606 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,920 to print a brief for the justices, you know, just 607 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,720 one copy and you got to print nine copies. 608 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:52,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. 609 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:55,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, and the other aspect of this, 610 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,039 I was talking with one of the folks from a 611 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:02,680 National Association unwrights, Hannah Hill, not too long ago, and 612 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,599 you know, she said, it is so much better to 613 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,920 stop a bad bill from becoming a bad law than 614 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,759 it is to try to overturn a bad law. 615 00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 3: Rights. 616 00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:14,119 Speaker 1: It's cheaper to do that, but it's also you know, 617 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,960 if you can have these things off of the pass, 618 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,640 then you don't have to worry about fighting these lengthy 619 00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:22,079 and expensive court battle, because it's not just the amount 620 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,200 of money the amount of time. Right, the Duncan versus 621 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,359 Bonna case, the California magazine case. I mean, that's been 622 00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,079 around for nine years now. 623 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: I think, well, yeah, you think about it. They pass 624 00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:38,440 some unlawful, dumb criminal law whatever it is. It could 625 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,960 be a Virginia or California whatever, and then you're like, well, 626 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,279 we're gonna sue you, and they're like, okay, but that's 627 00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:47,599 gonna Meanwhile, your rights are being trampled on all that time, 628 00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:50,920 and you know, I mean you could you can even 629 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,799 extrapolate this out to say and guess what. Therefore, people 630 00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:59,359 change their hobbies, Like it's too much for paying the 631 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,720 butt to go do this hobby of shooting or whatever 632 00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:07,119 it is, I'll just do something else. I mean, there's 633 00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:10,200 big consequences here. But I love what you're saying. Cam. 634 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,319 Crush those dumb bills early on in committee hearings or 635 00:33:16,359 --> 00:33:20,000 whatever it is, and just let them go die there 636 00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,680 and you won't have to fight these things for decades. 637 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:25,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. 638 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: Absolutely, So Cam, we got to talk about You're always 639 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,559 talking about gun rights, which we really appreciate, but we 640 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,759 got to talk about guns a little bit. I mean, 641 00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:38,279 how did you get into guns? And how did you 642 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,359 I mean, and then I want to talk about kind 643 00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:43,119 of like you know, just fun guns, favorite guns, stuff 644 00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:43,480 like that. 645 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so, like a lot of people, I 646 00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:51,119 got into guns through self defense. And really it really 647 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,680 was defensive family. It wasn't even defensive self I mean, 648 00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:56,920 I have written about this before. I didn't grow up 649 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,599 in an anti gun family. It was just sort of 650 00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,440 gun agnostic. 651 00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 3: You know. My parents split up when I was nine. 652 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:02,960 I grew up with my mom. 653 00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:07,039 Speaker 1: I had uncles who were ranchers in Oklahoma and Oregon 654 00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:09,920 and Colorado, and you know, they all owned guns, but 655 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,320 I never got a tant to spend a lot of 656 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,360 time with them, and my mom didn't own a firearm. 657 00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 3: Never really came up growing up. So my first exposure to. 658 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: You know, my I guess my only exposure related to 659 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,639 guns and gun control was just the media. Right ninety seven, 660 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,000 I met my would be wife online and she was 661 00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:33,719 living in Camden, New Jersey at the time, which was 662 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,000 the murder capital of the United States. And one night 663 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,920 we're on the phone talking and I hear gunshots. 664 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 3: Very clearly through the receiver, and then. 665 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: She doesn't answer when I said her name, and she didn't. 666 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,280 She didn't answer all night long, and so I ended 667 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,639 up having to call her office the next morning. And 668 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,639 I almost fell over when she answered the phone. 669 00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:57,639 Speaker 3: So I was going to tell her coworker like, go 670 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,360 check on a lane. 671 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: You know, I think she was shot, and I, you know, 672 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,760 when I finally could recover the ability to speak, I 673 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:03,320 was like, what happened? 674 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,159 Speaker 3: I heard gunshots? You wouldn't answer the folks, she's I 675 00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:05,760 fell asleep. 676 00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:07,599 Speaker 1: And I live in Oklahoma at the time, right, And 677 00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:09,800 I said, well, how do you fall asleep hearing gunshots? 678 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 3: And she said this like this sound of crickets where 679 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:11,719 you live? 680 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: I mean, like that's how common. It wasn't in Camden. 681 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,920 And so that was kind of my first inkling that, like, 682 00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,239 because I said, like, doesn't New Jersey have really good 683 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,880 and that's how I put it, really good gun laws? 684 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,199 And she's just kind of like one of those laps, 685 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,960 you know, like very not really funny, but yeah, and 686 00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:28,559 that was kind of. 687 00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:33,039 Speaker 3: My first exposure to, you know, the whole gun control debate. 688 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: And then after we got married, you know, we were 689 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,760 living in a pretty it wasn't it wasn't as bad 690 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,199 as Camden, but it wasn't the safest neighborhood Oklahoma City. 691 00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 3: It wasn't the greatest house. Uh, And you know, started 692 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,440 thinking about, all right, I'm responsible for for my safety now, 693 00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:54,679 but I'm also responsible for. 694 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:59,559 Speaker 1: Her safety, my step kid's safety, and what do I 695 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:00,320 do about that? 696 00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 3: You know? 697 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: And so my co worker at the radio station, guy 698 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:09,199 named Mike mccarvel, was a very big second a mimic guy. Actually, 699 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,559 the oklahom Rifle Association named its media award the Mike 700 00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:14,960 mccarvel Award because he kept winning it year after. 701 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 3: Year after a year. 702 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: And so I was very lucky to have him as 703 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,719 my mentor for helping me kind of get into the 704 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,440 world of gun ownership. And my wife, coming from Camden, 705 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,639 was not a huge fan of the idea of gun ownership. 706 00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:34,400 I will also tell you her brother took his life 707 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,679 with a firearm and and that, you know, definitely colored 708 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:40,840 her views on gun ownership as well. So it took 709 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,239 some time for her to be comfortable with the idea, 710 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,400 but she ultimately was. And I mean ultimately she went 711 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,199 on to be a She was a better shot than 712 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,119 I am, so she she definitely ended up embracing her 713 00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:54,320 right to keeping bare arms. 714 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 3: But you know, it was really becoming a husband and 715 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:56,960 a father. 716 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: That that maybe decide all right, I want to I 717 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,039 want to be a gun or I want to actually 718 00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:01,719 cite my rights. 719 00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:04,280 Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense, I think. And it's 720 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,760 interesting because it's like, no, actually I didn't grow up 721 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,719 in it, and there's a lot of people who they 722 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,719 don't grow up in it, and maybe they're and like 723 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,320 you said, like, oh, they have a lot of good 724 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,280 gun laws in New Jersey, right because you go, must 725 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,920 be safe, must be great, except it's not. And then 726 00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:23,079 you know it correct to you to go, hey, I 727 00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:26,199 was I wasn't pro or anti. I was just kind 728 00:37:26,199 --> 00:37:28,280 of like, I don't know, I don't And there's so 729 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,440 many people out there who are that way. It's like 730 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,280 they don't really care about guns. I don't know. I 731 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,639 don't own any. I don't care. I know people hunt 732 00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:40,719 with them, I know there's crimes they just but you know, 733 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,760 that's interesting. So you ended up getting guns and kind 734 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,239 of getting into it beyond just Okay, now I own 735 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,960 a gun. It's in this box in the closet. 736 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 737 00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:54,039 Speaker 1: And again, I mean you know there was a gradual process. 738 00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:58,559 I think, you know, even when we lived in there 739 00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:01,239 was there's a financial construy. I mean, honestly, when you're 740 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,920 you know, we had five kids ultimately, and so there's 741 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,000 always something to buy that's more important than you than 742 00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:08,840 your next gout, at least to your wife, right, And 743 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,280 I wanted to get along very well with my wife, 744 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,400 so so so my go ownership, my gun purchases were 745 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,440 pretty few and far between, a handgun here and there. 746 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:23,000 Then when though, when we moved to rural Virginia at 747 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,239 the end of twenty twelve early twenty thirteen, and we 748 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,440 started raising chickens and started raising hogs and goats, and 749 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:37,800 started losing livestock to coyotes and to foxes, then it 750 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,239 was okay, well, you know what, honey, Now we need 751 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,079 Now we need a rifle or two, right, and I 752 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:44,119 want something that I'm critable shooting. I want something that 753 00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:47,599 you're gonna be comfortable shooting. My wife actually really liked 754 00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:51,119 lever guns, like that was her thing, man. And she 755 00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:56,159 would sit in our bathroom which overlooks the backyard, which 756 00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:58,840 is where we kept the chickens, and every now and 757 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,480 then I would just you know, I'd be reading a 758 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,440 book whatever, and I'd hear, you get my gun, and 759 00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:05,679 so I'd run to our bedroom and i'd open up 760 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,119 the gun safe and i'd grab a rifle, and she'd 761 00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,199 be there. She'd already have the window down, and she 762 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,719 took out at least two foxes from our bathroom window. 763 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,400 I know she took out a coyote. And we also 764 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,280 had a bit of a groundhog problem. And she would 765 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,920 plink those groundhogs out of the bathroom window. I lost 766 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,480 track of how many other I had to go pick 767 00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:25,840 them up. I had to go deal with them afterwards, 768 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:32,000 right like I was the retriever. But but yeah, I mean, yeah, 769 00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:33,119 she she know that. 770 00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:34,639 Speaker 3: That was like that was one of her favorite things. 771 00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:36,760 Speaker 1: She was so proud of herself when she could do that. 772 00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,639 And uh and and I would always I was always 773 00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:42,519 happy letting her, you know, take the lead on that. 774 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,679 Since she passed away, it's now up to me. And 775 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,719 I can tell you the groundhogs have gotten a little 776 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,480 out of control because I'm not as good a shot 777 00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:49,960 as she was. 778 00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 2: Tom start laying waste to the groundhogs again. 779 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,679 Speaker 1: It really is the other day, actually looked down, I 780 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,079 saw five juvenile groundhogs and I thought to myself, all right, 781 00:39:58,119 --> 00:39:59,480 you know what I've been looking for an excuse to 782 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:00,559 get us apres sir. 783 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 3: This is it. 784 00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: This is it because I need to be able to 785 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,559 fire multiple rounds without scaring them off. 786 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, there you go. 787 00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 2: Well do you have do you have a favorite gun 788 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,400 that you've or or a favorite one that you've shot, 789 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,800 favorite one you own or one you shot. 790 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:17,639 Speaker 3: You know, I've got a few. 791 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I love my nineteen eleven in my sick 792 00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:24,559 nineteen eleven. It is just, you know, to me, that 793 00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:29,280 is maybe the quintessential American handgun. The one I use 794 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,760 the most is my Ruger ten twenty two. And that's 795 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,119 my that's my varmint gun. We've had a real problem 796 00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:39,559 in Pascal of years with raccoons, and I apologize to 797 00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:40,400 anybody who thinks that. 798 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 3: Raccoon's just furry, cuddly, cute little creatures. 799 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,559 Speaker 1: They've just destroyed so many of my chickens that I 800 00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:49,199 just passed them with extreme prejudice. 801 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,159 Speaker 3: And and and that's the gun that I use for that. 802 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 1: And then when my father in law passed away, Alane's 803 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,239 dad passed away in twenty twenty two, and I ended 804 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,599 up inheriting his gun collection because none of his family 805 00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:09,320 were comfortable owning guns, and so so. 806 00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 3: I was able to get like an in one grand. 807 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,599 Speaker 1: And this is weird because my father in law and 808 00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:17,800 I didn't talk much about firearms, talked a lot more. 809 00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 3: About like blues and guitars. But I was. I was 810 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,679 amazed like he had. 811 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: And when Grand scrolled up in the attic he lived 812 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,480 in New Jersey, by the way, he had a colt 813 00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:29,840 python that was also tucked up in the attic. 814 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 3: And you know, some of these guns, they were not. 815 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: Really well cared for. They had been up there for 816 00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,599 years and years and years. And so one of my 817 00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:41,960 projects over the past year or so has been to 818 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,280 get his guns back in working order, and you know. 819 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 3: And that's been fun. 820 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 1: So those are the I haven't had the opportunity. I mean, 821 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,440 when your wife has cancer for seven years, you're paying 822 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,599 a lot of doctors bills. So the extra income for 823 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,639 firearms was again not really something that was possible. But 824 00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:03,880 over the past few years, like exploring that collection. 825 00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 3: You know, it has really been. 826 00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 1: My primary focus and just you know, getting those at 827 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,440 a condition that one day I can pass them down 828 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,079 to my kids. 829 00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:17,880 Speaker 2: And pro tip for everybody. I don't really care where 830 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,280 you live. The attic is not a great storage location 831 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,679 for guns. 832 00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's really not. 833 00:42:25,639 --> 00:42:29,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Heat, humidity, it's just a lot of bad things there. 834 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,280 Thanks for being on with us. This has been fun man. 835 00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:34,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 836 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I appreciate the invite. What you guys are 837 00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:40,480 doing ato gun talk is truly something special. I'm so 838 00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:42,719 glad that we've got gun Talk Nation, that we've got 839 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,559 gun Talk Radio, gun Talk TV. You know, and I 840 00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:48,920 know that you guys probably most of your listeners and 841 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,400 viewers are longtime gun owners. But you know, when I 842 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,039 talk to people who are curious about gun ownership, I 843 00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,760 always recommend what you guys are doing to them because 844 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,679 I think you're very approachable for newbies as well. So 845 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:05,800 thank you for doing what you're doing. 846 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 3: Man. 847 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 2: Oh appreciate that. That's that means a lot coming from you. 848 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,199 Cam Edwards. We're going to have you back because you're 849 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,519 just too good man. I love it. You guys, Thanks 850 00:43:16,519 --> 00:43:19,159 for listening, thanks for watching, and we will see you 851 00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:20,719 next time on Gun Talk Nation.