Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Travis Walton, author of Fire in the Sky
Speaker 1: and My experience as an abductee back in nineteen seventy five,
Speaker 1: and you are listening to The Doctor Sky Show.
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Speaker 2: That's AM twelve ninety in Santa Barbara, California today, ladies
Speaker 2: and gentlemen, and outstanding guests. The author of Fire and
Speaker 2: the Sky, the Walton Experience, the best documented case of
Speaker 2: alien abduction ever recorded, and the reason that this host,
Speaker 2: Steve Kate Stoctorsky, is not going into a lengthy introduction
Speaker 2: of our special guest by bio. He is well known
Speaker 2: not only in the UFO community, but in the world
Speaker 2: community of an event that happened and ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2: It's a privilege and honor to welcome Travis Walton, who
Speaker 2: I recently had the honor of meeting at a very
Speaker 2: special event from my participation in the Coast to Coast
Speaker 2: AM radio show with George Norri, Travis Walton was one
Speaker 2: of the esteemed guests on stage in a UFO conference
Speaker 2: and conversational discussion. Travis, welcome to the radio show today.
Speaker 2: It was an honor meeting you there and I hope
Speaker 2: the same feeling was there from you two.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Doctor Sky, It's.
Speaker 2: Great to be with you, absolutely, sir. You know, I
Speaker 2: want to put this whole book in perspective because folks,
Speaker 2: if you have never had the opportunity of researching this
Speaker 2: man or listening to the story that he documents in
Speaker 2: a nearly four hundred page book, you really should. And Travis,
Speaker 2: you were so kind to write in the copy of
Speaker 2: the book that you gave me in preparation for this
Speaker 2: particular interview, and I'm going to share this with the audience.
Speaker 2: Eve great hanging out with you. Someone appreciates who really
Speaker 2: gets it, Travis Walton, and I do appreciate your story
Speaker 2: because what you're about to hear, Ladies and Gentlemen, if
Speaker 2: you have not heard this story before, and Travis, I
Speaker 2: know you've repeated this story so many times because it's
Speaker 2: so important, but I encourage people to get a copy
Speaker 2: of Fire in the Sky the Walton Experience, the best
Speaker 2: documented case of alien abduction ever recorded, which was made
Speaker 2: into a movie Ladies and Gentlemen in nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2: And the interesting part of this book that I find, Travis,
Speaker 2: is the actual introduction that's done by the screenplay print
Speaker 2: the producer Tracy Tormat, who I didn't realize until I
Speaker 2: read the book that that's what the son of the
Speaker 2: legendary singer meltorm is that correct. Yeah, that's totally amazing. Travis.
Speaker 2: Start from the beginning, tell us who you are, where
Speaker 2: you were, and let's talk about that amazing day November fifth,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five, which so many people maybe never have
Speaker 2: heard the real details of this story. Please continue and
Speaker 2: share with us this most amazing story that you experienced
Speaker 2: something like unlike hardly any human being has ever experienced
Speaker 2: in the history of time and space.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I was just a twenty two year
Speaker 1: old later working with a crew of six other men
Speaker 1: in the woods, and after a long day's work, we
Speaker 1: were headed home and we spotted this light coming through
Speaker 1: the trees. When we finally got to where we could
Speaker 1: see the source of light, there was this is a
Speaker 1: the most amazing sight. It was astonishing power of that experience,
Speaker 1: just seeing this craft hovering there. It was emanating sounds
Speaker 1: that are really hard to describe, mixture of really high
Speaker 1: and low tones. The same time, there was like some
Speaker 1: kind of an energy in the air, kind of a
Speaker 1: charge that all the all the crew agreed that it
Speaker 1: seemed like something was about to happen, some sort of
Speaker 1: a feeling of something impending. But for me, you know,
Speaker 1: my immediate impulse was to just get out of the
Speaker 1: truck and run towards it, thinking it would take off
Speaker 1: before I got very close. I just thought it would be,
Speaker 1: you know, response to it, similar to when we see
Speaker 1: unusual animals in the woods, you know they're on their
Speaker 1: way for cover. But that didn't happen, so I started
Speaker 1: to become more fearful, as did the crew. You know,
Speaker 1: they were yelling at me to get back in the
Speaker 1: When I got where I was looking up at about
Speaker 1: a forty five degree angle their frenzy of calls and
Speaker 1: swearing and not to tell me to get out of
Speaker 1: there and let's get the heck I look out of here.
Speaker 1: Reached a point where the craft started to move and
Speaker 1: sound got louder.
Speaker 2: That's amazing, Travis. You know, this is incredible, And I
Speaker 2: just don't mean to cut you off. I just wanted
Speaker 2: to remind people what you're doing there. You're basically working
Speaker 2: on the Turkey Springs treathoning contract in this area in Arizona,
Speaker 2: Northern Arizona. Maybe more specifically you can describe it the
Speaker 2: Apache Sidgreaves National Forest. First of all, tell us what
Speaker 2: you were all there to be doing. I mean, this
Speaker 2: was normal work for you guys. As what how do
Speaker 2: you describe yourself bloggers or is that a correct.
Speaker 1: Or Well, you know, the news media is unfamiliar with
Speaker 1: timber stand improvement, so they just called us floggers. But
Speaker 1: it was a project to you know, so clean up
Speaker 1: after the actual operation and remove it damaged trees, you
Speaker 1: know it's due to the logging and any disease trees
Speaker 1: and then out the remaining ones. Plus the area was
Speaker 1: divided into strips where we'd cut up the material and
Speaker 1: pilot and opening so that he'd be burned in the
Speaker 1: wet season to reduce fire danger may make a sort
Speaker 1: of a break easier to fight fire at those points.
Speaker 2: Right And people need to know this, Travis. I mean
Speaker 2: if they're listening, of course, all over the world that
Speaker 2: here in Arizona, as in many areas that have a
Speaker 2: lot of trees and timber that this season or just
Speaker 2: about any time of the year, if it's the dry season,
Speaker 2: we can become a tinder box as we have any
Speaker 2: people see fires all over the country. So you're basically
Speaker 2: what thinning out so that there's a way to what
Speaker 2: if they want to do a controlled burn later during
Speaker 2: the wet season, you have all the tender you know,
Speaker 2: the material that were.
Speaker 1: Even if an accidental fire occurs, it makes a place
Speaker 1: where it's easier to fight it. But it's important. We've
Speaker 1: got a major wildfire going in Arizona right now.
Speaker 2: Wow. Well, I mean, I just wanted to up the stage, Travis,
Speaker 2: because people may not understand what you folks were doing there.
Speaker 2: But please continue because this story going back to November
Speaker 2: the fifth, nineteen seventy five, folks, as I mentioned before,
Speaker 2: was the best documented case of alien abduction ever recorded.
Speaker 2: Our guest is Travis Walton, He's the person who experienced this.
Speaker 2: And describe Travis where you left off. Continue please, You're
Speaker 2: in this thicket of trees and this amazing craft is
Speaker 2: over you, and then describe what happens from there.
Speaker 1: Well, it got louder and it started to move, and that,
Speaker 1: you know, just was the last straw with my apprehension.
Speaker 1: You know, the guys yell at me to get out
Speaker 1: of there, so I just kind of jumped for cover.
Speaker 1: There is thing to hide behind. Was a log that
Speaker 1: was sticking on out of the middle of this clearing
Speaker 1: the pile of breathe there, and I crouched down behind
Speaker 1: there and it turned to run back to the truck,
Speaker 1: and I just felt this shock of a stunning force
Speaker 1: and I didn't actually see the beam hit me, but
Speaker 1: the but the crew described it in various ways. One
Speaker 1: deputy wrote in there that the crewman was describing it
Speaker 1: as looking like a long blue flame.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Others described it as looking like a foot wide ray
Speaker 1: or bean, or like comparing it to a bolt of lighting,
Speaker 1: a giant spark or something. But it was such a
Speaker 1: powerful blast that the crew panicked at that point and
Speaker 1: me immediately thought that it had killed me. They said
Speaker 1: they were yelling, and it says he did, let's go.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've always you know, pushed back against
Speaker 1: the criticism of the crew, you know, as being less
Speaker 1: than heroic at that point because it was the only
Speaker 1: sensible response, you know, Oh, absolutely, Travis. Yeah, possible for
Speaker 1: the lives of the whole crew.
Speaker 2: No, I hear you, brother, And let me say this
Speaker 2: in adding I'm sorry to cut in, but I just
Speaker 2: have to. I'm full of emotion on this. This is
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five, folks, and if I were experiencing what
Speaker 2: you experienced or they experienced, you know, it's some sort
Speaker 2: of stunning like on the cover of the book. You know,
Speaker 2: people can get to understand what this depicting. The depiction
Speaker 2: is Excuse me, it's this powerful blue light that to
Speaker 2: me looks like some sort of a laser of some type,
Speaker 2: but super high power. You bet I'd be running away
Speaker 2: from the hills. So tell us more. I mean, your
Speaker 2: crew is obviously shocked and panicked, but I want to
Speaker 2: hear what happens to you, because you what, you basically numbed.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a giant taser. You couldn't move or
Speaker 2: what happened?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't feel anything more, but the crew described
Speaker 1: it as throwing me through the air so violently that they,
Speaker 1: you know, immediately thought I was dead. And you know,
Speaker 1: John says, you know, my body hit the ground like
Speaker 1: a sack of meat, like there wasn't a bone in
Speaker 1: my body.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And they went tried to get help from hunters, but
Speaker 1: weren't able to catch up with them and decided the
Speaker 1: you know, they'd better return and see if they could help.
Speaker 1: And sure, you know, Kenny says that his greatest apprehension
Speaker 1: in coming back was not that the aliens would still
Speaker 1: be there because they had seen the craft take off,
Speaker 1: but what my body was going to look like? Yes,
Speaker 1: was I going to be jarred and horrific?
Speaker 2: You know, of course. I mean it's just like looking
Speaker 2: at the cover of the book here again, like it's
Speaker 2: like a large laser or a taser. And from there, Travis,
Speaker 2: your recollection is from the time that that stunned to
Speaker 2: you or actually took over you. How long in your
Speaker 2: mind was it before that you did the next describe
Speaker 2: that you're now what apparently inside this craft? I mean,
Speaker 2: was it pretty much instantaneous or if to your best memory,
Speaker 2: was there like a blackout period and then who knows
Speaker 2: how long it.
Speaker 1: Was before you Well, I was unconscious, so I have
Speaker 1: no idea how long.
Speaker 2: Well that's there you go, folks, unconscious eyes right, you're
Speaker 2: not seeing anything, you're hearing it.
Speaker 1: The conscious period was brief, so I was missing for
Speaker 1: five over five days, and so I have no idea
Speaker 1: of where in that period of time was this conscious period.
Speaker 1: I would suspect it wasn't immediate that after some time
Speaker 1: that led to a bit of recovery, I still felt seriously.
Speaker 2: Wounded, weakened, and emotionally overcharged. So in your book, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's why I'm recommending this. You know, folks, an open
Speaker 2: mind is so important here, and you have so many
Speaker 2: wonderful quotes in this book. This book, I must say, Folks,
Speaker 2: is very well not only documented Travis saluding to you
Speaker 2: and the authors, but you go through so many examinations
Speaker 2: here from every side of the equation. But here's a
Speaker 2: quote about keeping an open mind when it comes to
Speaker 2: facts and fiction, and I quote facts have not cease
Speaker 2: to exist because they are ignored. The quote is from
Speaker 2: the famous Eldest Huxley, and I think it's so appropriate
Speaker 2: here because you know, Travis, I mean, you're the living
Speaker 2: person who's experienced this. There's people on both sides of
Speaker 2: the equation. Some will say, Nah, that could never have happened,
Speaker 2: and then there is many many people like myself that
Speaker 2: are firm believers that indeed this experience really did happen.
Speaker 2: And I'm not just saying that to you, Travis, to
Speaker 2: sound like a nice guy. I've always been fascinated by
Speaker 2: these subjects, and I got to jump in here. My
Speaker 2: experience with this for the audience is that way back
Speaker 2: when the Barney and Betty Hill incident took place, back
Speaker 2: allegedly and back in September of sixty one, Travis, I
Speaker 2: think I mentioned to you, I spend time going to
Speaker 2: her home and listening to her story because like her story,
Speaker 2: your story. There's very few people in existence today on
Speaker 2: the earth that you've even had as much detailed experience
Speaker 2: with the alleged you know, UFO abduction experience. So carry on,
Speaker 2: you Now, what inside this particular craft as we describe it,
Speaker 2: and what happens when you awake?
Speaker 1: Well, I regained consciousness rather slowly. I was in a
Speaker 1: lot of pain. So I was in and out for
Speaker 1: a while. But when I finally came to, I couldn't
Speaker 1: really move much. I felt really just barely there, and
Speaker 1: I could see that there was a light above me
Speaker 1: and the ceiling was closed, so I think that I
Speaker 1: was on some kind of a raised surface, like a
Speaker 1: you know, a table or a gurney or something, which
Speaker 1: turned out to be the case. And the feeling of
Speaker 1: being injured, you know, led me more to the you know,
Speaker 1: in recalling what led up to that, that you know,
Speaker 1: I may have been injured in some way, and I
Speaker 1: just assumed the kids the crew had had taken me
Speaker 1: to the hospital. But when I can finally focus my
Speaker 1: eyes and seem more clearly, you know, I could see
Speaker 1: that these vague forms around me weren't We're definitely not doctors.
Speaker 1: They were these alien creatures.
Speaker 2: Wow. And that's a powerful statement, Travis, because you know,
Speaker 2: don't let me steal your thunder on here. And I
Speaker 2: don't know how much thunder there is, because this story
Speaker 2: is amazing. It's not sensational, folks, it's this man's interpretation
Speaker 2: of his facts. And you know, I look at the
Speaker 2: pictures here and you're you keep you know, saying over
Speaker 2: and over throughout this book about when you're describing the
Speaker 2: aliens the amazing eyes, very penetrating. But I'll tell you
Speaker 2: some of them. Brother, that's pretty scary to me. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm an adult, and I don't really like the word scary,
Speaker 2: but these traumatic eyes, these used dark eyes. Obviously, I
Speaker 2: don't know how I would even respond to something like that.
Speaker 2: I would think that I would rather just be knocked out.
Speaker 2: But I mean, what's going through your body so much
Speaker 2: adrenaline that you take a stance like a defensive stance
Speaker 2: if I'm correct in the book, and you know you're
Speaker 2: way waiting.
Speaker 1: For Yeah, they were trying to approach me or you know,
Speaker 1: get me back under control in some way, but I
Speaker 1: was you know, it took me years to figure out
Speaker 1: that they were probably you know, not menacing, that they
Speaker 1: were actually just trying to help me. But I was
Speaker 1: pretty combat at the time and wasn't.
Speaker 2: Well, heck, yeah of it. I would be very combat
Speaker 2: out of because let me say this, Travis, reading your background,
Speaker 2: you're a no body. You're no couch potato. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're a motorcycle rider, rodeo. You know, you're a guy
Speaker 2: that knows the outdoors hunting, so like any guy, and
Speaker 2: I'm not putting you at any different level. Well I am.
Speaker 2: I Actually, I'm just saying that you're a guy that
Speaker 2: if somebody's going to approach you with harm, you're just
Speaker 2: not going to sit there and take it. But let's
Speaker 2: go back to the description of these beings because that's
Speaker 2: so fascinating to me. Small but you described them as
Speaker 2: having like rn suits that if you touch near their bodies,
Speaker 2: it was almost like what they were like a little
Speaker 2: little fleshy and no steams, no buttons, just like almost
Speaker 2: to the point like they were like could they have
Speaker 2: been like robots or something? Who knows? Right? It was weird?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, man, I've heard all kinds of theories. I
Speaker 1: just know what I perceive. You know, people say, did
Speaker 1: they seem like robots? And I say, well, you know,
Speaker 1: if you could create a creature that could stand in
Speaker 1: for a living being, you have you had that kind
Speaker 1: of technology, I doubt with horror and jerk and look mechanical,
Speaker 1: it would it would be fully capable of serving the purpose.
Speaker 1: So you know, they look like living beings to me. Now,
Speaker 1: there's a variety of reports from other people saying that
Speaker 1: alien beings are similar to this, and they call them
Speaker 1: grays nowadays. But yeah, now I don't know if they
Speaker 1: had such a turn.
Speaker 2: They did not. They did not, which is amazing. So
Speaker 2: now let's go back to the movie Fire in the Sky,
Speaker 2: which exactly took the Hollywood side of the equation here.
Speaker 2: And you know, let me say this, folks watching the
Speaker 2: movie Fire in the Sky. I don't want to take
Speaker 2: Travis's thunder away, but D. B. Sweeney is of course
Speaker 2: playing you as you know better. You were there through
Speaker 2: the whole you know, filming of this and the advisor
Speaker 2: on this. But you know, Travis, I have to say
Speaker 2: this in all Cannon is it's the last ten minutes
Speaker 2: or five minutes of that movie bothered me so much
Speaker 2: that I actually don't want to watch that movie by myself,
Speaker 2: even today at sixty two years of age, because the
Speaker 2: discretion in the movie made those aliens look out to
Speaker 2: be extremely strange, sinister, and you fill in the blanks.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they took a lot of liberty
Speaker 2: in the movie.
Speaker 1: It evokes the feelings that I went through. I was
Speaker 1: terrified at their appearance. This was, oh yeah, totally strange.
Speaker 1: And terrifying to me. And I too don't watch the movie,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's not a very friendly movie. Yeah, I see.
Speaker 1: So you know, I've been at Vance where they show
Speaker 1: clips of it and I catch myself not breathing.
Speaker 2: You know, Well, of course you're the person that this
Speaker 2: is all about and continuing about you. Travis Walton is
Speaker 2: our guest, ladies and gentlemen. He's spending time. And believe me, Travis,
Speaker 2: I really appreciate this. His book, which is really just
Speaker 2: a small part of this whole story, but a well
Speaker 2: documented book. Fire in the Sky, The Walton Experience, the
Speaker 2: best document case of alien abduction ever recorded. Yes, he
Speaker 2: is the author, and let's get a little quote in here,
Speaker 2: because I remember interviewing this guy, like you remember, I'm
Speaker 2: sure doctor Jalen Heinez says, I quote UFO adventure story
Speaker 2: that has already become one of the most celebrated. I
Speaker 2: would recommend the book and read from cover to cover.
Speaker 2: And you know, doctor Heinik was interesting for many people
Speaker 2: that don't know he was also got a little bit
Speaker 2: part in the Close Encounters of the Third Kind. But
Speaker 2: he's an amazing guy. So you had a little experience
Speaker 2: talking to doctor Heinek.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, oh yeah, and he became a stock supporter
Speaker 1: and was willing to, you know, go forth to the
Speaker 1: Median and express that support and push back against some
Speaker 1: of the ridiculous series that the debunkers were putting forth.
Speaker 1: You know, there was a whole onslought of accusations just
Speaker 1: ran the gamut of you know, now, a way this
Speaker 1: couldn't happen. It had to be you know, a y
Speaker 1: or a drug hallucination or no.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think it's a drug
Speaker 2: hallucination by any means. I know you don't. But let's
Speaker 2: go on from here, Travis. You're inside this craft, which
Speaker 2: alone would be just so terrifying. You see these alien creatures,
Speaker 2: beatings whatever you want to describe them, as you stand
Speaker 2: your ground and they kind of watch scurry out of
Speaker 2: the room and then carry on from there. What happens
Speaker 2: next and what? Well?
Speaker 1: I went looking for a way out and it was
Speaker 1: rather amazing. You know, I don't know, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: assuming that what I encountered in another part of the
Speaker 1: craft was some sort of control to operate it, but
Speaker 1: it's possible it was something else. But it looked like
Speaker 1: something to either navigate or control the motion of it.
Speaker 1: Could have been just some kind of a planetarium or
Speaker 1: you know, viewing station. Yes, but in trying to open
Speaker 1: doors and somehow find a way, it was an irrational
Speaker 1: sort of approach to think I just open a door
Speaker 1: and jump out, you know, like I could drop to
Speaker 1: the ground to be back in the woods. It was
Speaker 1: probably not in a in in still in the woods
Speaker 1: at that point, but m that's what I was trying
Speaker 1: to do in my panic, and that's when this other
Speaker 1: being came in. I mean what I took at that
Speaker 1: point to be a rescue from some Earth based agency
Speaker 1: like the Air Force or something.
Speaker 2: You know. Okay, and mm hmm, this.
Speaker 1: This guy, you know, I stopped with the resistance and
Speaker 1: was fighting back and allowed him to take me out
Speaker 1: of this craft into an area that resembled like a
Speaker 1: big airplane hangar hmm, maybe part of a larger craft,
Speaker 1: but yes it was. There were other uh disc shaped
Speaker 1: craft inside this area. But he was really hurrying me
Speaker 1: to another location outside of that room, down a hallway,
Speaker 1: where he left me in the custody of some other
Speaker 1: human beings similar similar uniforms.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: They put me down on the table and rendered me
Speaker 1: unconscious some sort of a gas mask.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were describing the book here, and this is amazing.
Speaker 2: They look like muscular men and women with extreme how
Speaker 2: do I say this, very definitive features, but obviously human
Speaker 2: in their appearance. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, some people, you know, come up with a theory
Speaker 1: that these are really just the small aliens stimulating some
Speaker 1: sort of hallucination or a mechanical device to get me
Speaker 1: to stop fighting them to where they could get me
Speaker 1: back under anaesthesia again.
Speaker 2: Right, So their description, the description you have of them
Speaker 2: as in the book, which does a great job leasure explaining,
Speaker 2: is that they looked rather muscular, a man and a woman,
Speaker 2: and the woman in the book that we're reading here,
Speaker 2: the Fire in the skybook, it shows some sort of
Speaker 2: like an oxygen mask. And then you say she or
Speaker 2: he rendered you unconscious. That's amazing. Yeah, so Travis, I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: go ahead, yeah, go ahead. No, I'm just curious. You
Speaker 2: also describe this chair inside the craft and then to me,
Speaker 2: this is a beautiful part of this story because we
Speaker 2: love astronomy. So you're saying that somehow throughout this experience
Speaker 2: knew where this chair. What may have been like a
Speaker 2: control seat with these fixtures like a joystick or some
Speaker 2: kind of throttle. You actually got to see the entire
Speaker 2: heavens from in there? Is it? The whole chair was floating,
Speaker 2: unless if you're outside in this big planetarium? Is that
Speaker 2: is that fair to say?
Speaker 1: Yeah? From that, from that point of view, it simulate
Speaker 1: the appearance of being surrounded by stars. And that's not
Speaker 1: what I was looking for. I wanted a way out,
Speaker 1: and oh you bet.
Speaker 2: I'd want to be out of there fast, like one, two,
Speaker 2: three and get me the hell out of here. Of course, Well,
Speaker 2: it was this.
Speaker 1: Orient team to have it be surrounded by this star
Speaker 1: field that would move in unison in response to operating
Speaker 1: these controls, and so I was scared out of continuing
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: Yes, So then you see yourself in some sort of
Speaker 2: like hangar, as if you got out of the little
Speaker 2: craft you were guided out by these alleged looking human
Speaker 2: like looking creatures or people whatever, and then from there
Speaker 2: describe what happened from there, I mean, this is this
Speaker 2: is even more amazing as we hear this story.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I looked around briefly. The ceiling kind
Speaker 1: of curved down into one wall. So it was kind
Speaker 1: of like an arc, but a light much brighter than
Speaker 1: it was inside there. It was rather dim and claustaphobic
Speaker 1: inside the craft, but outside it seemed quite a bit
Speaker 1: like sunlight. So you know, it was either fixtures that
Speaker 1: as simulated sunlight or it was actually sunlight shining to
Speaker 1: translucent windows, not transparent. I couldn't see outside at that point.
Speaker 2: But WHOA. We've heard this, Travis described many times by
Speaker 2: abductees that inside these craft it seems as if there
Speaker 2: was some sort of a way to make solid metal
Speaker 2: like aluminum, be translucent, and that in essence, we've heard
Speaker 2: this before, but maybe that's what you were seeing. Who knows,
Speaker 2: I mean, thinking of traveling through time and space. You
Speaker 2: may have well had the technology shown to you. And
Speaker 2: of course you're not there to take notes. You were
Speaker 2: just and I keep hearing this, and ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 2: listen very closely to what Travis was saying. He is
Speaker 2: trying to find a way to get the hell out
Speaker 2: of there. That's the main theme here. You weren't there
Speaker 2: to take notes. You were trying to find that's the
Speaker 2: human nature you wanted to survive. That's what I'm here
Speaker 2: that's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to escape.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I was hysterical. I was just you know, out of
Speaker 1: control with fear. And you know there are people who
Speaker 1: you know, act like well, I wouldn't be that scared,
Speaker 1: you know, I just oh really, yeah, asked logical questions,
Speaker 1: but you'd have to be there.
Speaker 2: Just watch Fire in the Sky, ladies and gentlemen. And
Speaker 2: not that Travis needs the royalties from this movie. I
Speaker 2: keep saying this again and again, and I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2: I've seen a lot in my life. Travis has seen
Speaker 2: a lot more in his life than I've seen with this,
Speaker 2: and we're here today to be respectful of his story.
Speaker 2: And of course the audience is entitled to their opinions
Speaker 2: on this. But if you want to really get the
Speaker 2: shockwave out of this, I mean that whole movie, the
Speaker 2: rendition of course, that Tracy Tormey is put into on
Speaker 2: the screen, the screenplay by Tracy Tormy, Fire and Sky
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three movie. I suggest that people see it
Speaker 2: to see what the version is that Hollywood's come up with.
Speaker 2: So ending this and moving on because of our time
Speaker 2: here today, Travis then describe what happens because you find
Speaker 2: yourself later in the conversation on a roadside near Hebrew, Arizona.
Speaker 2: And for your recollection, you could have been gone an hour,
Speaker 2: but people are saying no, once you're recovered by family,
Speaker 2: you were gone five days. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know I was still, you know, in
Speaker 1: a pretty fragile condition emotionally, but you know, the the
Speaker 1: memory of what had happened to me, and then facing
Speaker 1: all these accusations, the onslaught of criticism was just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: The theories were falsifiable on the face of it. And
Speaker 1: you know, all these debunker theories in a way wind
Speaker 1: up amounting to a perverse sort of endorsement because by
Speaker 1: virtue of the fact that they were all solidly disproven
Speaker 1: as impossible, every way they try to explain it away,
Speaker 1: you know, it just adds to the evidence for it.
Speaker 1: And doctor Harder made the made the observation that if
Speaker 1: you had six people witnessing a murder in an American
Speaker 1: court of law, that would be sufficient for the death penalty.
Speaker 1: You're exactly rightly, and that's without light detectives. But when
Speaker 1: everybody who passes multiple light detective tests, suddenly that evidence
Speaker 1: isn't enough because it involves something so.
Speaker 2: Stressed well as you know, in a criminal case, beyond
Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt, right, And this is interesting to bring
Speaker 2: into the picture as Travis is talking about the debunkers.
Speaker 2: Another great quote which is right in the preface here
Speaker 2: and this one I quote here. It is to perceive
Speaker 2: is to suffer end of quote. That's from the great Aristotle.
Speaker 2: So you know, not only are you going through the
Speaker 2: Tramdic experience, your actual you know, happenings there. Now you're
Speaker 2: faced with what because people could have thought somebody murdered
Speaker 2: you and that was the main concurrent theme. I guess
Speaker 2: how did you word how did you handle this? Because
Speaker 2: now we're in twenty eighteen, it's a long time ago, Travis.
Speaker 2: I mean, it must have been some of the most
Speaker 2: difficult years of your life. Correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really, you know, a hard way to
Speaker 1: go for years, you know, to go out and have
Speaker 1: people look at you like that and hear the rumors
Speaker 1: that were said and absurd, you know, the sorts of
Speaker 1: claims that people would make that you know, of course
Speaker 1: one by one you shoot them down, you disprove them.
Speaker 1: But it was, you know, really unrelenting for a long time,
Speaker 1: and it gradually became less and less common. As you know,
Speaker 1: the weight of evidence to precedence, and I think acceptance
Speaker 1: has grown over the years in a worldwide sense. I've
Speaker 1: given talks all over the world and much much more.
Speaker 1: You know, the the evidence is taking precedence over any
Speaker 1: claims to explain it away, that there was some seismic activity
Speaker 1: under the ground there and it just charged some sort
Speaker 1: of unusual election.
Speaker 2: I don't think that electrified my brain.
Speaker 1: I mean, every sery that you can possibly come up
Speaker 1: with was no.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's amazing, Travis. And again, you're a speaker
Speaker 2: around the world. You can go to Travis Walton's website,
Speaker 2: you know, directly by googling him, of course, and our
Speaker 2: direct interview here on the Doctor Sky Show goes links
Speaker 2: and direct to him. But again, this man's not doing this.
Speaker 2: And again I'm a defender review because of what I
Speaker 2: consider to be my open mind. Then I'm hoping that
Speaker 2: so many people.
Speaker 1: Is the important thing all I ask is, yes, I
Speaker 1: haven't opened mind. Take a look at the evidence.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely everything, henybody, I'm a I'm in your court,
Speaker 2: and not for any reason, you know, Travis is not
Speaker 2: paying me money to do this, nor am I paying
Speaker 2: him money. This is this is you know. He and
Speaker 2: I met, as I said, we saw each other across
Speaker 2: the you know, auditorium there and he walked over. I
Speaker 2: walked over and I said, Hi, I'm Steve and you're
Speaker 2: you're Travis, and hey, this is cool. But let me
Speaker 2: say this, folks, here's a book that deserves the open
Speaker 2: mind that we talked about here and Travis, Now let
Speaker 2: me conclude here, because only I have a few more minutes.
Speaker 2: I want to get your take on this. Having had
Speaker 2: one of the most amazing experiences in the world that
Speaker 2: probably very few human beings have ever had. In the
Speaker 2: book describes the details greater than this interview. What's your
Speaker 2: take on life in the universe, the probability of this existing?
Speaker 2: And from your chair, who and where do you think
Speaker 2: these beings were from? I mean, they never spoke with
Speaker 2: you once, no telepathic communication whatsoever. What's your take on
Speaker 2: the universe filled with life? Where do you think this
Speaker 2: particular incident and these beings came from any any conclusion
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, back when this happened, the debunkers were
Speaker 1: fond of seeing well, even if there is life somewhere
Speaker 1: else in the universe, they could never find us. We'd
Speaker 1: be like a grain of sand on the far side
Speaker 1: of the Earth. He'd never find that one grain. They
Speaker 1: would never find us. But on the contrary, from here,
Speaker 1: with our relatively speaking primitive technology, you know, the Hubble telescope,
Speaker 1: Keupler telescope, looking out into the universe, the estimations of
Speaker 1: the number of habitable planets has grown enormously. You know,
Speaker 1: the old Drake equation. You know, they didn't even know
Speaker 1: back then if every star had any planets, let alone.
Speaker 1: The conclusion that NASA recently announced is that it's a
Speaker 1: virtual certainty now that just about every star has about
Speaker 1: a dozen planets. So the number of habitable planets in
Speaker 1: the universe is just vastly greater than anybody ever estimated before.
Speaker 1: And mitchyo Kaku was saying, you know, people keep estimating,
Speaker 1: you know, assuming that these civilizations would be maybe a
Speaker 1: few hundred years ahead of us, but based on the
Speaker 1: age of these star systems, they could be literally millions
Speaker 1: of years ahead of us. Of course, over for these
Speaker 1: you know, know, it alls to I say, well, that's impossible.
Speaker 1: This can they can't get there that fast or something
Speaker 1: of that nature is really presumptuous and arrogant and absurd.
Speaker 2: You know, Travis, I got to thank you for doing
Speaker 2: this because it's obviously this is in your blood, this
Speaker 2: is your story. But listen, what was an ordinary day
Speaker 2: was no ordinary day. And going back to that day
Speaker 2: of November fifth, nineteen seventy five, I know I was
Speaker 2: back in New Jersey, you were there. Obviously, Arizona is
Speaker 2: a great place, and people who don't know this is
Speaker 2: a lot of open territory. Folks, this is pretty desolate
Speaker 2: where this happened. It's not where you drive down to
Speaker 2: the nearest shopping mall down the road. This isn't much.
Speaker 2: And back then, obviously, Travis, even more rural I mean
Speaker 2: has come and some of it can't because of the forest.
Speaker 2: But my point is this, as Takatas said, and I
Speaker 2: quote again from your book, going through this experience, even
Speaker 2: the bravest are frightened by sudden terrors. Hey, folks, here's
Speaker 2: a man. You know, this guy is a full guy.
Speaker 2: He's on there, he's done so much, he's been out
Speaker 2: in the woods. I don't think you've frightened too easily.
Speaker 2: On normal circumstances. But you defended yourself. But the more
Speaker 2: important thing is to keep an open mind about what
Speaker 2: lies out there beyond this great cosmos. And as an astronomer,
Speaker 2: my background, of course isn't as important as your story.
Speaker 2: But I think we're both are brothers in this story.
Speaker 2: That the universe is literally teeming, as you described before.
Speaker 2: Back in nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety five, to be
Speaker 2: more precise, the first of the exoplanetary systems, fifty one PEGASI,
Speaker 2: was discovered having a planetary system. I believe, Travis, very strongly,
Speaker 2: that the universe is populated. But one last question before
Speaker 2: we go. Some have speculated that this could be some
Speaker 2: sort of dimensional transport where actually what you saw was
Speaker 2: the future species of our own human race, maybe hundreds
Speaker 2: of thousands of years into the future. What say you,
Speaker 2: is that a plausible idea?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm open to all these kinds of theories. Who knows,
Speaker 1: you know. I think that it's possible, with our limited
Speaker 1: understanding of physics, that space travel may not be by
Speaker 1: Newtonian mechanics.
Speaker 2: There you got it.
Speaker 1: I'm sort of interdimensional, sort of a thing involved in
Speaker 1: the travel.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Travis, we'll have to leave it there. Travis Walton,
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, lom if you believe the story, and
Speaker 2: I hope you have an open mind, one of very
Speaker 2: few people on the planet Earth that has had an
Speaker 2: experience like this, since there's so many others that are documented.
Speaker 2: But let me go back to the premise of the interview.
Speaker 2: I are in the sky the Walton experience, the best
Speaker 2: documented case of the alien abduction ever recorded. Find his
Speaker 2: book on Amazon where ever good books are sold, and
Speaker 2: link with us at Doctorsky dot com and of course
Speaker 2: our teen TUK Network radio show. The entire listing here
Speaker 2: of links to his website obvious if you stand by
Speaker 2: with us.
Speaker 1: The place and my website's the best place to get it,
Speaker 1: oh dot com?
Speaker 2: All right, brother, then let me have you say that
Speaker 2: one more time, because I was doing the closest.
Speaker 1: Thing you got on Amazon or used copies or pirates maybe,
Speaker 1: but uh yes, they're only available from Travis walm dot com.
Speaker 2: All right, and I'm glad you qualified that. But stand
Speaker 2: by and stay with us as we go to the
Speaker 2: heart break. Here. I'm doctor Sky reminding everyone, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure Travis Walton would wholeheartedly agree with great guests from
Speaker 2: the realms of astronomy, space, aviation and weather, and celebrity
Speaker 2: guests Right Travis, always remember to keep your eyes to
Speaker 2: the skies. Ye and thank you, Travis Walton