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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Travis Walton, author of Fire in the Sky

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<v Speaker 1>and My experience as an abductee back in nineteen seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>and you are listening to The Doctor Sky Show.

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<v Speaker 2>And welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the exciting show

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<v Speaker 2>that you tell us you like so much of The

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Sky Show with great guests from the realms of astronomy, space, aviation,

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<v Speaker 2>and weather and celebrity guests in the mix. The radio show,

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<v Speaker 2>The Doctor Sky Show has been in existence one over

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<v Speaker 2>ten years. In that time we've had well over five

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<v Speaker 2>hundred interesting guests from these realms. But first I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to thank our producer extraordinaire Richard Dugan of radio station KZSB.

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<v Speaker 2>That's AM twelve ninety in Santa Barbara, California today, ladies

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<v Speaker 2>and gentlemen, and outstanding guests. The author of Fire and

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<v Speaker 2>the Sky, the Walton Experience, the best documented case of

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<v Speaker 2>alien abduction ever recorded, and the reason that this host,

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Kate Stoctorsky, is not going into a lengthy introduction

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<v Speaker 2>of our special guest by bio. He is well known

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<v Speaker 2>not only in the UFO community, but in the world

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<v Speaker 2>community of an event that happened and ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a privilege and honor to welcome Travis Walton, who

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<v Speaker 2>I recently had the honor of meeting at a very

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<v Speaker 2>special event from my participation in the Coast to Coast

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<v Speaker 2>AM radio show with George Norri, Travis Walton was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the esteemed guests on stage in a UFO conference

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<v Speaker 2>and conversational discussion. Travis, welcome to the radio show today.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an honor meeting you there and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>the same feeling was there from you two.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me, Doctor Sky, It's.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to be with you, absolutely, sir. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to put this whole book in perspective because folks,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have never had the opportunity of researching this

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<v Speaker 2>man or listening to the story that he documents in

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<v Speaker 2>a nearly four hundred page book, you really should. And Travis,

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<v Speaker 2>you were so kind to write in the copy of

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<v Speaker 2>the book that you gave me in preparation for this

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<v Speaker 2>particular interview, and I'm going to share this with the audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Eve great hanging out with you. Someone appreciates who really

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<v Speaker 2>gets it, Travis Walton, and I do appreciate your story

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<v Speaker 2>because what you're about to hear, Ladies and Gentlemen, if

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<v Speaker 2>you have not heard this story before, and Travis, I

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<v Speaker 2>know you've repeated this story so many times because it's

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<v Speaker 2>so important, but I encourage people to get a copy

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<v Speaker 2>of Fire in the Sky the Walton Experience, the best

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<v Speaker 2>documented case of alien abduction ever recorded, which was made

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<v Speaker 2>into a movie Ladies and Gentlemen in nineteen ninety three.

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<v Speaker 2>And the interesting part of this book that I find, Travis,

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<v Speaker 2>is the actual introduction that's done by the screenplay print

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<v Speaker 2>the producer Tracy Tormat, who I didn't realize until I

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<v Speaker 2>read the book that that's what the son of the

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<v Speaker 2>legendary singer meltorm is that correct. Yeah, that's totally amazing. Travis.

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<v Speaker 2>Start from the beginning, tell us who you are, where

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<v Speaker 2>you were, and let's talk about that amazing day November fifth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy five, which so many people maybe never have

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<v Speaker 2>heard the real details of this story. Please continue and

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<v Speaker 2>share with us this most amazing story that you experienced

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<v Speaker 2>something like unlike hardly any human being has ever experienced

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<v Speaker 2>in the history of time and space.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I was just a twenty two year

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<v Speaker 1>old later working with a crew of six other men

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<v Speaker 1>in the woods, and after a long day's work, we

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<v Speaker 1>were headed home and we spotted this light coming through

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<v Speaker 1>the trees. When we finally got to where we could

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<v Speaker 1>see the source of light, there was this is a

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<v Speaker 1>the most amazing sight. It was astonishing power of that experience,

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<v Speaker 1>just seeing this craft hovering there. It was emanating sounds

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<v Speaker 1>that are really hard to describe, mixture of really high

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<v Speaker 1>and low tones. The same time, there was like some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of an energy in the air, kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>charge that all the all the crew agreed that it

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like something was about to happen, some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a feeling of something impending. But for me, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my immediate impulse was to just get out of the

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<v Speaker 1>truck and run towards it, thinking it would take off

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<v Speaker 1>before I got very close. I just thought it would be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, response to it, similar to when we see

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<v Speaker 1>unusual animals in the woods, you know they're on their

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<v Speaker 1>way for cover. But that didn't happen, so I started

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<v Speaker 1>to become more fearful, as did the crew. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they were yelling at me to get back in the

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<v Speaker 1>When I got where I was looking up at about

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<v Speaker 1>a forty five degree angle their frenzy of calls and

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<v Speaker 1>swearing and not to tell me to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>there and let's get the heck I look out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>Reached a point where the craft started to move and

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<v Speaker 1>sound got louder.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing, Travis. You know, this is incredible, And I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't mean to cut you off. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to remind people what you're doing there. You're basically working

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<v Speaker 2>on the Turkey Springs treathoning contract in this area in Arizona,

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<v Speaker 2>Northern Arizona. Maybe more specifically you can describe it the

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<v Speaker 2>Apache Sidgreaves National Forest. First of all, tell us what

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<v Speaker 2>you were all there to be doing. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>was normal work for you guys. As what how do

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<v Speaker 2>you describe yourself bloggers or is that a correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Or Well, you know, the news media is unfamiliar with

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<v Speaker 1>timber stand improvement, so they just called us floggers. But

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<v Speaker 1>it was a project to you know, so clean up

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<v Speaker 1>after the actual operation and remove it damaged trees, you

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<v Speaker 1>know it's due to the logging and any disease trees

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<v Speaker 1>and then out the remaining ones. Plus the area was

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<v Speaker 1>divided into strips where we'd cut up the material and

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<v Speaker 1>pilot and opening so that he'd be burned in the

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<v Speaker 1>wet season to reduce fire danger may make a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a break easier to fight fire at those points.

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<v Speaker 2>Right And people need to know this, Travis. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>if they're listening, of course, all over the world that

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<v Speaker 2>here in Arizona, as in many areas that have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of trees and timber that this season or just

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<v Speaker 2>about any time of the year, if it's the dry season,

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<v Speaker 2>we can become a tinder box as we have any

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<v Speaker 2>people see fires all over the country. So you're basically

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<v Speaker 2>what thinning out so that there's a way to what

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<v Speaker 2>if they want to do a controlled burn later during

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<v Speaker 2>the wet season, you have all the tender you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the material that were.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if an accidental fire occurs, it makes a place

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<v Speaker 1>where it's easier to fight it. But it's important. We've

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<v Speaker 1>got a major wildfire going in Arizona right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Well, I mean, I just wanted to up the stage, Travis,

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<v Speaker 2>because people may not understand what you folks were doing there.

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<v Speaker 2>But please continue because this story going back to November

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<v Speaker 2>the fifth, nineteen seventy five, folks, as I mentioned before,

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<v Speaker 2>was the best documented case of alien abduction ever recorded.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guest is Travis Walton, He's the person who experienced this.

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<v Speaker 2>And describe Travis where you left off. Continue please, You're

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<v Speaker 2>in this thicket of trees and this amazing craft is

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<v Speaker 2>over you, and then describe what happens from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it got louder and it started to move, and that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just was the last straw with my apprehension.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the guys yell at me to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of there, so I just kind of jumped for cover.

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<v Speaker 1>There is thing to hide behind. Was a log that

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<v Speaker 1>was sticking on out of the middle of this clearing

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<v Speaker 1>the pile of breathe there, and I crouched down behind

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<v Speaker 1>there and it turned to run back to the truck,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just felt this shock of a stunning force

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't actually see the beam hit me, but

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<v Speaker 1>the but the crew described it in various ways. One

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<v Speaker 1>deputy wrote in there that the crewman was describing it

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<v Speaker 1>as looking like a long blue flame.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Others described it as looking like a foot wide ray

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<v Speaker 1>or bean, or like comparing it to a bolt of lighting,

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<v Speaker 1>a giant spark or something. But it was such a

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<v Speaker 1>powerful blast that the crew panicked at that point and

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<v Speaker 1>me immediately thought that it had killed me. They said

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<v Speaker 1>they were yelling, and it says he did, let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I've always you know, pushed back against

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<v Speaker 1>the criticism of the crew, you know, as being less

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<v Speaker 1>than heroic at that point because it was the only

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<v Speaker 1>sensible response, you know, Oh, absolutely, Travis. Yeah, possible for

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<v Speaker 1>the lives of the whole crew.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I hear you, brother, And let me say this

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<v Speaker 2>in adding I'm sorry to cut in, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>have to. I'm full of emotion on this. This is

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy five, folks, and if I were experiencing what

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<v Speaker 2>you experienced or they experienced, you know, it's some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of stunning like on the cover of the book. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>people can get to understand what this depicting. The depiction

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<v Speaker 2>is Excuse me, it's this powerful blue light that to

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<v Speaker 2>me looks like some sort of a laser of some type,

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<v Speaker 2>but super high power. You bet I'd be running away

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<v Speaker 2>from the hills. So tell us more. I mean, your

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<v Speaker 2>crew is obviously shocked and panicked, but I want to

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<v Speaker 2>hear what happens to you, because you what, you basically numbed.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like a giant taser. You couldn't move or

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<v Speaker 2>what happened?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't feel anything more, but the crew described

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<v Speaker 1>it as throwing me through the air so violently that they,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, immediately thought I was dead. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>John says, you know, my body hit the ground like

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<v Speaker 1>a sack of meat, like there wasn't a bone in

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And they went tried to get help from hunters, but

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<v Speaker 1>weren't able to catch up with them and decided the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they'd better return and see if they could help.

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<v Speaker 1>And sure, you know, Kenny says that his greatest apprehension

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<v Speaker 1>in coming back was not that the aliens would still

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<v Speaker 1>be there because they had seen the craft take off,

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<v Speaker 1>but what my body was going to look like? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>was I going to be jarred and horrific?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, of course. I mean it's just like looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the cover of the book here again, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a large laser or a taser. And from there, Travis,

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<v Speaker 2>your recollection is from the time that that stunned to

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<v Speaker 2>you or actually took over you. How long in your

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<v Speaker 2>mind was it before that you did the next describe

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<v Speaker 2>that you're now what apparently inside this craft? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>was it pretty much instantaneous or if to your best memory,

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<v Speaker 2>was there like a blackout period and then who knows

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<v Speaker 2>how long it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was before you Well, I was unconscious, so I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea how long.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's there you go, folks, unconscious eyes right, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not seeing anything, you're hearing it.

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<v Speaker 1>The conscious period was brief, so I was missing for

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<v Speaker 1>five over five days, and so I have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>of where in that period of time was this conscious period.

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<v Speaker 1>I would suspect it wasn't immediate that after some time

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<v Speaker 1>that led to a bit of recovery, I still felt seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>Wounded, weakened, and emotionally overcharged. So in your book, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I'm recommending this. You know, folks, an open

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<v Speaker 2>mind is so important here, and you have so many

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful quotes in this book. This book, I must say, Folks,

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<v Speaker 2>is very well not only documented Travis saluding to you

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<v Speaker 2>and the authors, but you go through so many examinations

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<v Speaker 2>here from every side of the equation. But here's a

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<v Speaker 2>quote about keeping an open mind when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>facts and fiction, and I quote facts have not cease

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<v Speaker 2>to exist because they are ignored. The quote is from

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<v Speaker 2>the famous Eldest Huxley, and I think it's so appropriate

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<v Speaker 2>here because you know, Travis, I mean, you're the living

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<v Speaker 2>person who's experienced this. There's people on both sides of

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<v Speaker 2>the equation. Some will say, Nah, that could never have happened,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there is many many people like myself that

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<v Speaker 2>are firm believers that indeed this experience really did happen.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not just saying that to you, Travis, to

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<v Speaker 2>sound like a nice guy. I've always been fascinated by

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<v Speaker 2>when the Barney and Betty Hill incident took place, back

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly and back in September of sixty one, Travis, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I mentioned to you, I spend time going to

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<v Speaker 2>her home and listening to her story because like her story,

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<v Speaker 2>your story. There's very few people in existence today on

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<v Speaker 2>the earth that you've even had as much detailed experience

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<v Speaker 2>with the alleged you know, UFO abduction experience. So carry on,

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<v Speaker 2>you Now, what inside this particular craft as we describe it,

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I regained consciousness rather slowly. I was in a

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<v Speaker 1>a while. But when I finally came to, I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>being injured, you know, led me more to the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in recalling what led up to that, that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I may have been injured in some way, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just assumed the kids the crew had had taken me

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<v Speaker 1>to the hospital. But when I can finally focus my

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<v Speaker 1>eyes and seem more clearly, you know, I could see

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<v Speaker 1>that these vague forms around me weren't We're definitely not doctors.

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<v Speaker 1>They were these alien creatures.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. And that's a powerful statement, Travis, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>don't let me steal your thunder on here. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how much thunder there is, because this story

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<v Speaker 2>is amazing. It's not sensational, folks, it's this man's interpretation

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<v Speaker 2>of his facts. And you know, I look at the

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<v Speaker 2>and over throughout this book about when you're describing the

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<v Speaker 2>aliens the amazing eyes, very penetrating. But I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>some of them. Brother, that's pretty scary to me. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an adult, and I don't really like the word scary,

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<v Speaker 2>but these traumatic eyes, these used dark eyes. Obviously, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how I would even respond to something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I would think that I would rather just be knocked out.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, what's going through your body so much

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<v Speaker 2>adrenaline that you take a stance like a defensive stance

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm correct in the book, and you know you're

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<v Speaker 2>way waiting.

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<v Speaker 1>For Yeah, they were trying to approach me or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get me back under control in some way, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was you know, it took me years to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>that they were probably you know, not menacing, that they

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<v Speaker 1>were actually just trying to help me. But I was

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<v Speaker 2>Well, heck, yeah of it. I would be very combat

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<v Speaker 2>out of because let me say this, Travis, reading your background,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a no body. You're no couch potato. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a motorcycle rider, rodeo. You know, you're a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that knows the outdoors hunting, so like any guy, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not putting you at any different level. Well I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I Actually, I'm just saying that you're a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>if somebody's going to approach you with harm, you're just

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<v Speaker 2>not going to sit there and take it. But let's

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<v Speaker 2>go back to the description of these beings because that's

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<v Speaker 2>so fascinating to me. Small but you described them as

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<v Speaker 2>having like rn suits that if you touch near their bodies,

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<v Speaker 2>it was almost like what they were like a little

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<v Speaker 2>little fleshy and no steams, no buttons, just like almost

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<v Speaker 2>to the point like they were like could they have

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<v Speaker 2>been like robots or something? Who knows? Right? It was weird?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, man, I've heard all kinds of theories. I

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<v Speaker 1>just know what I perceive. You know, people say, did

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<v Speaker 1>they seem like robots? And I say, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you could create a creature that could stand in

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<v Speaker 1>for a living being, you have you had that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of technology, I doubt with horror and jerk and look mechanical,

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<v Speaker 1>it would it would be fully capable of serving the purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, they look like living beings to me. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a variety of reports from other people saying that

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<v Speaker 1>alien beings are similar to this, and they call them

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<v Speaker 1>grays nowadays. But yeah, now I don't know if they

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<v Speaker 1>had such a turn.

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<v Speaker 2>They did not. They did not, which is amazing. So

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<v Speaker 2>now let's go back to the movie Fire in the Sky,

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<v Speaker 2>which exactly took the Hollywood side of the equation here.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, let me say this, folks watching the

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<v Speaker 2>movie Fire in the Sky. I don't want to take

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<v Speaker 2>Travis's thunder away, but D. B. Sweeney is of course

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<v Speaker 2>playing you as you know better. You were there through

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<v Speaker 2>the whole you know, filming of this and the advisor

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<v Speaker 2>on this. But you know, Travis, I have to say

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<v Speaker 2>this in all Cannon is it's the last ten minutes

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<v Speaker 2>or five minutes of that movie bothered me so much

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<v Speaker 2>that I actually don't want to watch that movie by myself,

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<v Speaker 2>even today at sixty two years of age, because the

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<v Speaker 2>discretion in the movie made those aliens look out to

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<v Speaker 2>be extremely strange, sinister, and you fill in the blanks.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think they took a lot of liberty

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<v Speaker 1>It evokes the feelings that I went through. I was

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<v Speaker 1>terrified at their appearance. This was, oh yeah, totally strange.

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<v Speaker 1>And terrifying to me. And I too don't watch the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's not a very friendly movie. Yeah, I see.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I've been at Vance where they show

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<v Speaker 1>clips of it and I catch myself not breathing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Well, of course you're the person that this

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<v Speaker 2>is all about and continuing about you. Travis Walton is

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<v Speaker 2>our guest, ladies and gentlemen. He's spending time. And believe me, Travis,

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<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate this. His book, which is really just

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<v Speaker 2>a small part of this whole story, but a well

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<v Speaker 2>documented book. Fire in the Sky, The Walton Experience, the

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<v Speaker 2>best document case of alien abduction ever recorded. Yes, he

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<v Speaker 2>is the author, and let's get a little quote in here,

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<v Speaker 2>because I remember interviewing this guy, like you remember, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure doctor Jalen Heinez says, I quote UFO adventure story

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<v Speaker 2>that has already become one of the most celebrated. I

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<v Speaker 2>would recommend the book and read from cover to cover.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, doctor Heinik was interesting for many people

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<v Speaker 2>that don't know he was also got a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>part in the Close Encounters of the Third Kind. But

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<v Speaker 2>he's an amazing guy. So you had a little experience

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<v Speaker 2>talking to doctor Heinek.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, oh yeah, and he became a stock supporter

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<v Speaker 1>and was willing to, you know, go forth to the

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<v Speaker 1>Median and express that support and push back against some

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<v Speaker 1>of the ridiculous series that the debunkers were putting forth.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there was a whole onslought of accusations just

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<v Speaker 1>ran the gamut of you know, now, a way this

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't happen. It had to be you know, a y

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<v Speaker 1>or a drug hallucination or no.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I don't think it's a drug

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<v Speaker 2>hallucination by any means. I know you don't. But let's

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<v Speaker 2>go on from here, Travis. You're inside this craft, which

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<v Speaker 2>alone would be just so terrifying. You see these alien creatures,

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<v Speaker 2>beatings whatever you want to describe them, as you stand

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<v Speaker 2>your ground and they kind of watch scurry out of

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<v Speaker 2>the room and then carry on from there. What happens

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<v Speaker 2>next and what? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I went looking for a way out and it was

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<v Speaker 1>rather amazing. You know, I don't know, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>assuming that what I encountered in another part of the

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<v Speaker 1>craft was some sort of control to operate it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible it was something else. But it looked like

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<v Speaker 1>something to either navigate or control the motion of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Could have been just some kind of a planetarium or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, viewing station. Yes, but in trying to open

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<v Speaker 1>doors and somehow find a way, it was an irrational

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<v Speaker 1>sort of approach to think I just open a door

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<v Speaker 1>and jump out, you know, like I could drop to

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<v Speaker 1>the ground to be back in the woods. It was

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<v Speaker 1>probably not in a in in still in the woods

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<v Speaker 1>at that point, but m that's what I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do in my panic, and that's when this other

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<v Speaker 1>being came in. I mean what I took at that

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<v Speaker 1>point to be a rescue from some Earth based agency

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<v Speaker 1>like the Air Force or something.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Okay, and mm hmm, this.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy, you know, I stopped with the resistance and

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<v Speaker 1>was fighting back and allowed him to take me out

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<v Speaker 1>of this craft into an area that resembled like a

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<v Speaker 1>big airplane hangar hmm, maybe part of a larger craft,

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<v Speaker 1>but yes it was. There were other uh disc shaped

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<v Speaker 1>craft inside this area. But he was really hurrying me

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<v Speaker 1>to another location outside of that room, down a hallway,

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<v Speaker 1>where he left me in the custody of some other

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<v Speaker 2>And.

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<v Speaker 1>They put me down on the table and rendered me

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<v Speaker 1>unconscious some sort of a gas mask.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you were describing the book here, and this is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>They look like muscular men and women with extreme how

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<v Speaker 2>do I say this, very definitive features, but obviously human

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<v Speaker 2>in their appearance. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, some people, you know, come up with a theory

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<v Speaker 1>that these are really just the small aliens stimulating some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of hallucination or a mechanical device to get me

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<v Speaker 1>to stop fighting them to where they could get me

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<v Speaker 1>back under anaesthesia again.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So their description, the description you have of them

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<v Speaker 2>as in the book, which does a great job leasure explaining,

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<v Speaker 2>is that they looked rather muscular, a man and a woman,

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<v Speaker 2>and the woman in the book that we're reading here,

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<v Speaker 2>the Fire in the skybook, it shows some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like an oxygen mask. And then you say she or

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<v Speaker 2>he rendered you unconscious. That's amazing. Yeah, so Travis, I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, yeah, go ahead. No, I'm just curious. You

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<v Speaker 2>also describe this chair inside the craft and then to me,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a beautiful part of this story because we

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<v Speaker 2>love astronomy. So you're saying that somehow throughout this experience

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<v Speaker 2>knew where this chair. What may have been like a

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<v Speaker 2>control seat with these fixtures like a joystick or some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of throttle. You actually got to see the entire

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<v Speaker 2>heavens from in there? Is it? The whole chair was floating,

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<v Speaker 2>unless if you're outside in this big planetarium? Is that

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<v Speaker 2>is that fair to say?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? From that, from that point of view, it simulate

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<v Speaker 1>the appearance of being surrounded by stars. And that's not

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<v Speaker 1>what I was looking for. I wanted a way out,

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<v Speaker 1>and oh you bet.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd want to be out of there fast, like one, two,

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<v Speaker 2>three and get me the hell out of here. Of course, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it was this.

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<v Speaker 1>Orient team to have it be surrounded by this star

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<v Speaker 1>field that would move in unison in response to operating

422
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<v Speaker 1>these controls, and so I was scared out of continuing

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<v Speaker 1>with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So then you see yourself in some sort of

425
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<v Speaker 2>like hangar, as if you got out of the little

426
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<v Speaker 2>craft you were guided out by these alleged looking human

427
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<v Speaker 2>like looking creatures or people whatever, and then from there

428
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<v Speaker 2>describe what happened from there, I mean, this is this

429
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<v Speaker 2>is even more amazing as we hear this story.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I looked around briefly. The ceiling kind

431
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<v Speaker 1>of curved down into one wall. So it was kind

432
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<v Speaker 1>of like an arc, but a light much brighter than

433
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<v Speaker 1>it was inside there. It was rather dim and claustaphobic

434
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<v Speaker 1>inside the craft, but outside it seemed quite a bit

435
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<v Speaker 1>like sunlight. So you know, it was either fixtures that

436
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:22.279
<v Speaker 1>as simulated sunlight or it was actually sunlight shining to

437
00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:27.119
<v Speaker 1>translucent windows, not transparent. I couldn't see outside at that point.

438
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<v Speaker 2>But WHOA. We've heard this, Travis described many times by

439
00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:35.359
<v Speaker 2>abductees that inside these craft it seems as if there

440
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<v Speaker 2>was some sort of a way to make solid metal

441
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<v Speaker 2>like aluminum, be translucent, and that in essence, we've heard

442
00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:47.240
<v Speaker 2>this before, but maybe that's what you were seeing. Who knows,

443
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:49.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, thinking of traveling through time and space. You

444
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<v Speaker 2>may have well had the technology shown to you. And

445
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<v Speaker 2>of course you're not there to take notes. You were

446
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<v Speaker 2>just and I keep hearing this, and ladies and gentlemen,

447
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<v Speaker 2>listen very closely to what Travis was saying. He is

448
00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:02.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to find a way to get the hell out

449
00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:05.279
<v Speaker 2>of there. That's the main theme here. You weren't there

450
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:07.480
<v Speaker 2>to take notes. You were trying to find that's the

451
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:10.079
<v Speaker 2>human nature you wanted to survive. That's what I'm here

452
00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:10.880
<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm hearing.

453
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to escape.

454
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<v Speaker 2>I was.

455
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<v Speaker 1>I was hysterical. I was just you know, out of

456
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<v Speaker 1>control with fear. And you know there are people who

457
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<v Speaker 1>you know, act like well, I wouldn't be that scared,

458
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<v Speaker 1>you know, I just oh really, yeah, asked logical questions,

459
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:30.599
<v Speaker 1>but you'd have to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>Just watch Fire in the Sky, ladies and gentlemen. And

461
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<v Speaker 2>not that Travis needs the royalties from this movie. I

462
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<v Speaker 2>keep saying this again and again, and I'm not kidding.

463
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<v Speaker 2>I've seen a lot in my life. Travis has seen

464
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<v Speaker 2>a lot more in his life than I've seen with this,

465
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<v Speaker 2>and we're here today to be respectful of his story.

466
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<v Speaker 2>And of course the audience is entitled to their opinions

467
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<v Speaker 2>on this. But if you want to really get the

468
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<v Speaker 2>shockwave out of this, I mean that whole movie, the

469
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:56.960
<v Speaker 2>rendition of course, that Tracy Tormey is put into on

470
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<v Speaker 2>the screen, the screenplay by Tracy Tormy, Fire and Sky

471
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:02.759
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety three movie. I suggest that people see it

472
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<v Speaker 2>to see what the version is that Hollywood's come up with.

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<v Speaker 2>So ending this and moving on because of our time

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<v Speaker 2>here today, Travis then describe what happens because you find

475
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<v Speaker 2>yourself later in the conversation on a roadside near Hebrew, Arizona.

476
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<v Speaker 2>And for your recollection, you could have been gone an hour,

477
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:24.000
<v Speaker 2>but people are saying no, once you're recovered by family,

478
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.799
<v Speaker 2>you were gone five days. That's amazing.

479
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you know I was still, you know, in

480
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:33.400
<v Speaker 1>a pretty fragile condition emotionally, but you know, the the

481
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>memory of what had happened to me, and then facing

482
00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>all these accusations, the onslaught of criticism was just ridiculous.

483
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:47.200
<v Speaker 1>The theories were falsifiable on the face of it. And

484
00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:54.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, all these debunker theories in a way wind

485
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:59.119
<v Speaker 1>up amounting to a perverse sort of endorsement because by

486
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<v Speaker 1>virtue of the fact that they were all solidly disproven

487
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:06.519
<v Speaker 1>as impossible, every way they try to explain it away,

488
00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:09.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, it just adds to the evidence for it.

489
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<v Speaker 1>And doctor Harder made the made the observation that if

490
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<v Speaker 1>you had six people witnessing a murder in an American

491
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:23.440
<v Speaker 1>court of law, that would be sufficient for the death penalty.

492
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:29.039
<v Speaker 1>You're exactly rightly, and that's without light detectives. But when

493
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:35.359
<v Speaker 1>everybody who passes multiple light detective tests, suddenly that evidence

494
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<v Speaker 1>isn't enough because it involves something so.

495
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:41.400
<v Speaker 2>Stressed well as you know, in a criminal case, beyond

496
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.720
<v Speaker 2>a reasonable doubt, right, And this is interesting to bring

497
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<v Speaker 2>into the picture as Travis is talking about the debunkers.

498
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<v Speaker 2>Another great quote which is right in the preface here

499
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<v Speaker 2>and this one I quote here. It is to perceive

500
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<v Speaker 2>is to suffer end of quote. That's from the great Aristotle.

501
00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:59.839
<v Speaker 2>So you know, not only are you going through the

502
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Tramdic experience, your actual you know, happenings there. Now you're

503
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.200
<v Speaker 2>faced with what because people could have thought somebody murdered

504
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.519
<v Speaker 2>you and that was the main concurrent theme. I guess

505
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:13.160
<v Speaker 2>how did you word how did you handle this? Because

506
00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:15.880
<v Speaker 2>now we're in twenty eighteen, it's a long time ago, Travis.

507
00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:17.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it must have been some of the most

508
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:18.799
<v Speaker 2>difficult years of your life. Correct.

509
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was really, you know, a hard way to

510
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.200
<v Speaker 1>go for years, you know, to go out and have

511
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>people look at you like that and hear the rumors

512
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.720
<v Speaker 1>that were said and absurd, you know, the sorts of

513
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:35.680
<v Speaker 1>claims that people would make that you know, of course

514
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:38.599
<v Speaker 1>one by one you shoot them down, you disprove them.

515
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<v Speaker 1>But it was, you know, really unrelenting for a long time,

516
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 1>and it gradually became less and less common. As you know,

517
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the weight of evidence to precedence, and I think acceptance

518
00:29:56.000 --> 00:30:00.200
<v Speaker 1>has grown over the years in a worldwide sense. I've

519
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>given talks all over the world and much much more.

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00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:12.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, the the evidence is taking precedence over any

521
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:16.480
<v Speaker 1>claims to explain it away, that there was some seismic activity

522
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:19.400
<v Speaker 1>under the ground there and it just charged some sort

523
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<v Speaker 1>of unusual election.

524
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that electrified my brain.

525
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, every sery that you can possibly come up

526
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<v Speaker 1>with was no.

527
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's amazing, Travis. And again, you're a speaker

528
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<v Speaker 2>around the world. You can go to Travis Walton's website,

529
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:37.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, directly by googling him, of course, and our

530
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:39.759
<v Speaker 2>direct interview here on the Doctor Sky Show goes links

531
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:42.279
<v Speaker 2>and direct to him. But again, this man's not doing this.

532
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<v Speaker 2>And again I'm a defender review because of what I

533
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.799
<v Speaker 2>consider to be my open mind. Then I'm hoping that

534
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:49.519
<v Speaker 2>so many people.

535
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<v Speaker 1>Is the important thing all I ask is, yes, I

536
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:56.440
<v Speaker 1>haven't opened mind. Take a look at the evidence.

537
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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely absolutely everything, henybody, I'm a I'm in your court,

538
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:02.839
<v Speaker 2>and not for any reason, you know, Travis is not

539
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 2>paying me money to do this, nor am I paying

540
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:07.559
<v Speaker 2>him money. This is this is you know. He and

541
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:09.759
<v Speaker 2>I met, as I said, we saw each other across

542
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.920
<v Speaker 2>the you know, auditorium there and he walked over. I

543
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:15.200
<v Speaker 2>walked over and I said, Hi, I'm Steve and you're

544
00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:17.680
<v Speaker 2>you're Travis, and hey, this is cool. But let me

545
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:21.279
<v Speaker 2>say this, folks, here's a book that deserves the open

546
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>mind that we talked about here and Travis, Now let

547
00:31:24.200 --> 00:31:25.880
<v Speaker 2>me conclude here, because only I have a few more minutes.

548
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<v Speaker 2>I want to get your take on this. Having had

549
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:31.200
<v Speaker 2>one of the most amazing experiences in the world that

550
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>probably very few human beings have ever had. In the

551
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:38.279
<v Speaker 2>book describes the details greater than this interview. What's your

552
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>take on life in the universe, the probability of this existing?

553
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.039
<v Speaker 2>And from your chair, who and where do you think

554
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:47.599
<v Speaker 2>these beings were from? I mean, they never spoke with

555
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:52.119
<v Speaker 2>you once, no telepathic communication whatsoever. What's your take on

556
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 2>the universe filled with life? Where do you think this

557
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:58.519
<v Speaker 2>particular incident and these beings came from any any conclusion

558
00:31:58.559 --> 00:31:58.839
<v Speaker 2>to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, back when this happened, the debunkers were

560
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.799
<v Speaker 1>fond of seeing well, even if there is life somewhere

561
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>else in the universe, they could never find us. We'd

562
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:09.799
<v Speaker 1>be like a grain of sand on the far side

563
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.119
<v Speaker 1>of the Earth. He'd never find that one grain. They

564
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.200
<v Speaker 1>would never find us. But on the contrary, from here,

565
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:23.359
<v Speaker 1>with our relatively speaking primitive technology, you know, the Hubble telescope,

566
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:30.559
<v Speaker 1>Keupler telescope, looking out into the universe, the estimations of

567
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:35.599
<v Speaker 1>the number of habitable planets has grown enormously. You know,

568
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:39.039
<v Speaker 1>the old Drake equation. You know, they didn't even know

569
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:43.319
<v Speaker 1>back then if every star had any planets, let alone.

570
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:47.960
<v Speaker 1>The conclusion that NASA recently announced is that it's a

571
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:52.799
<v Speaker 1>virtual certainty now that just about every star has about

572
00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:56.599
<v Speaker 1>a dozen planets. So the number of habitable planets in

573
00:32:56.680 --> 00:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the universe is just vastly greater than anybody ever estimated before.

574
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<v Speaker 1>And mitchyo Kaku was saying, you know, people keep estimating,

575
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, assuming that these civilizations would be maybe a

576
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 1>few hundred years ahead of us, but based on the

577
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 1>age of these star systems, they could be literally millions

578
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:18.039
<v Speaker 1>of years ahead of us. Of course, over for these

579
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:21.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, know, it alls to I say, well, that's impossible.

580
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:23.640
<v Speaker 1>This can they can't get there that fast or something

581
00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>of that nature is really presumptuous and arrogant and absurd.

582
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<v Speaker 2>You know, Travis, I got to thank you for doing

583
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.359
<v Speaker 2>this because it's obviously this is in your blood, this

584
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:36.559
<v Speaker 2>is your story. But listen, what was an ordinary day

585
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.559
<v Speaker 2>was no ordinary day. And going back to that day

586
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.920
<v Speaker 2>of November fifth, nineteen seventy five, I know I was

587
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>back in New Jersey, you were there. Obviously, Arizona is

588
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:47.519
<v Speaker 2>a great place, and people who don't know this is

589
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:50.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot of open territory. Folks, this is pretty desolate

590
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.119
<v Speaker 2>where this happened. It's not where you drive down to

591
00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.680
<v Speaker 2>the nearest shopping mall down the road. This isn't much.

592
00:33:55.880 --> 00:34:00.240
<v Speaker 2>And back then, obviously, Travis, even more rural I mean

593
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:02.480
<v Speaker 2>has come and some of it can't because of the forest.

594
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.799
<v Speaker 2>But my point is this, as Takatas said, and I

595
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:08.519
<v Speaker 2>quote again from your book, going through this experience, even

596
00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the bravest are frightened by sudden terrors. Hey, folks, here's

597
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 2>a man. You know, this guy is a full guy.

598
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.960
<v Speaker 2>He's on there, he's done so much, he's been out

599
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.599
<v Speaker 2>in the woods. I don't think you've frightened too easily.

600
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:22.119
<v Speaker 2>On normal circumstances. But you defended yourself. But the more

601
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:25.119
<v Speaker 2>important thing is to keep an open mind about what

602
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 2>lies out there beyond this great cosmos. And as an astronomer,

603
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.280
<v Speaker 2>my background, of course isn't as important as your story.

604
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:33.719
<v Speaker 2>But I think we're both are brothers in this story.

605
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.400
<v Speaker 2>That the universe is literally teeming, as you described before.

606
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<v Speaker 2>Back in nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety five, to be

607
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 2>more precise, the first of the exoplanetary systems, fifty one PEGASI,

608
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:49.159
<v Speaker 2>was discovered having a planetary system. I believe, Travis, very strongly,

609
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.079
<v Speaker 2>that the universe is populated. But one last question before

610
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:55.239
<v Speaker 2>we go. Some have speculated that this could be some

611
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:59.320
<v Speaker 2>sort of dimensional transport where actually what you saw was

612
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.960
<v Speaker 2>the future species of our own human race, maybe hundreds

613
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:05.239
<v Speaker 2>of thousands of years into the future. What say you,

614
00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:06.519
<v Speaker 2>is that a plausible idea?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm open to all these kinds of theories. Who knows,

616
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>you know. I think that it's possible, with our limited

617
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:16.440
<v Speaker 1>understanding of physics, that space travel may not be by

618
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Newtonian mechanics.

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<v Speaker 2>There you got it.

620
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm sort of interdimensional, sort of a thing involved in

621
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<v Speaker 1>the travel.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Travis, we'll have to leave it there. Travis Walton,

623
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<v Speaker 2>ladies and gentlemen, lom if you believe the story, and

624
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<v Speaker 2>I hope you have an open mind, one of very

625
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.440
<v Speaker 2>few people on the planet Earth that has had an

626
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.840
<v Speaker 2>experience like this, since there's so many others that are documented.

627
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:42.039
<v Speaker 2>But let me go back to the premise of the interview.

628
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<v Speaker 2>I are in the sky the Walton experience, the best

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<v Speaker 2>documented case of the alien abduction ever recorded. Find his

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<v Speaker 2>book on Amazon where ever good books are sold, and

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<v Speaker 2>link with us at Doctorsky dot com and of course

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<v Speaker 2>our teen TUK Network radio show. The entire listing here

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<v Speaker 2>of links to his website obvious if you stand by

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<v Speaker 2>with us.

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<v Speaker 1>The place and my website's the best place to get it,

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<v Speaker 1>oh dot com?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, brother, then let me have you say that

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<v Speaker 2>one more time, because I was doing the closest.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing you got on Amazon or used copies or pirates maybe,

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<v Speaker 1>but uh yes, they're only available from Travis walm dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, and I'm glad you qualified that. But stand

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<v Speaker 2>by and stay with us as we go to the

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<v Speaker 2>heart break. Here. I'm doctor Sky reminding everyone, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure Travis Walton would wholeheartedly agree with great guests from

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<v Speaker 2>the realms of astronomy, space, aviation and weather, and celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>guests Right Travis, always remember to keep your eyes to

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<v Speaker 2>the skies. Ye and thank you, Travis Walton