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<v Speaker 1>Imagine you're cruising at thirty three thousand feet in one

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<v Speaker 1>of the safest, most thoroughly tested passenger jets ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Built, right a totally routine flight.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, the engines are humming perfectly, the wings are fully intact,

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<v Speaker 1>the autopilot is engaged, and then suddenly the plane just

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<v Speaker 1>starts plummeting at an astonishing twelve thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Feet a minute, which is just a terrifying rate of descent.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and there's no midair explosion, there's no catastrophic

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<v Speaker 1>engine failure either. It literally just falls out of the sky.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically the ultimate aviation nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. So today we're doing a deep dive

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<v Speaker 1>into the baffling and honestly tragic mystery of West Caribbean

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<v Speaker 1>Airways Flight seven oh eight. We've got this massive stack

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<v Speaker 1>of investigative reports, recovered flight data, and the actual cockpit

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<v Speaker 1>transcripts to try and figure out how a perfectly good

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<v Speaker 1>airplane just drops into the night.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, when you really look closely at this

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and five crash, it becomes this deeply unsettling

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<v Speaker 2>case study because it's not simply a story about like

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<v Speaker 2>a machine breaking down or a storm being too strong.

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<v Speaker 2>We are looking at this terrifying intersection of high altitude physics,

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<v Speaker 2>the really deceptive nature of modern automation, and just the

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<v Speaker 2>devastating consequences of extreme human stress.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that human element is huge here. So let's set

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<v Speaker 1>the scene for everyone, because the chaotic atmosphere around this

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<v Speaker 1>flight starts hours before they even leave the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>It really does.

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<v Speaker 1>It is well past midnight on this weltering August night

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<v Speaker 1>at Panama's Document International Airport. The air is thick with humidity,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are these heavy thunderstorms bring out over the Caribbean,

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<v Speaker 1>nasty weathery flying air exactly, and sitting on the tarmac

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<v Speaker 1>is a fully loaded MD eighty passenger jet. You have

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty two passengers on board, mostly French

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<v Speaker 1>citizens who they've just finished a week long vacation at

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<v Speaker 1>the Panama Canal and they just.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to get back home to Martinique.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But they are already boarding two hours late. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just a miserable way to start a flight.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely. I mean that delay as immense pressure to

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<v Speaker 2>an already stressed flight crew. And to make matters even worse,

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<v Speaker 2>the flight is completely overbooked.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, like literally not enough seats.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, not just seats. The weight calculations for the aircraft

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<v Speaker 2>are so incredibly tight that the crew is forced to

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<v Speaker 2>make this really difficult call right at the gate.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they actually have to leave two of their own

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<v Speaker 2>flight attendants behind on the tarmac in Panama just to

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<v Speaker 2>shed a couple of hundred pounds of weight.

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<v Speaker 1>That is wild. They left their own crew behind just

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<v Speaker 1>to make weight exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have Captain Omar Osbina, who is a highly

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<v Speaker 2>experienced pilot, and his twenty one year old first officer,

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<v Speaker 2>David Munos, and they're preparing to take this incredibly heavy

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<v Speaker 2>aircraft into the night sky.

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<v Speaker 1>Right into what is essentially a low intensity hurricane whipping

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<v Speaker 1>across the Caribbean.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But you know, for a seasoned flight crew operating

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<v Speaker 2>out of South America during hurricane season, rough weather is

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<v Speaker 2>honestly just part of.

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<v Speaker 1>The job, right, It's just a Tuesday for them pretty much.

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<v Speaker 2>So they run their numbers, they calculate the required runway

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<v Speaker 2>length for this super heavy payload, and they finally get airborne.

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<v Speaker 2>They're anticipating a bumpy, but otherwise routine three hour flight, so.

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<v Speaker 1>They climb through this heavy rain to their initial cruising altitude,

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<v Speaker 1>which is thirty one thousand feet, and over the next hour,

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<v Speaker 1>the engines are burning through thousands of pounds of jet.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuel, which naturally lightens the aircraft exactly so.

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<v Speaker 1>Feeling they have shed enough weight, Captain Ospina requests a

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<v Speaker 1>climb to thirty three thousand feet to try and get

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<v Speaker 1>above some of the worst weather, and air traffic control approves.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes sense, you always want to get above the storm.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can, right, But as they level off at

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three thousand feet, the turbulence actually get significantly worse.

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<v Speaker 2>The storm is intensifying all around them, and the temperature

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<v Speaker 2>is just dropping rapidly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you can hear on the voice recorder, First

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<v Speaker 1>Officer Munoz starts verbally worrying about the conditions. He specifically

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<v Speaker 1>notes the risk of ice forming on the wings.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is a very valid concern in those condiments.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally. Then the tension in the cockpit just spikes. The

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<v Speaker 1>captain remarks that the plane isn't accelerating the way it should,

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<v Speaker 1>and suddenly, at thirty three thousand feet in the pitch black,

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<v Speaker 1>the most terrifying sound you can hear in a cockpit

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<v Speaker 1>starts blaring the stick shaker. Yes, the control column physically

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<v Speaker 1>starts vibrating violently in the pilot's hands.

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<v Speaker 2>And for those listening, that is the aircraft's ultimate mechanical

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<v Speaker 2>warning that an aerodynamic stall is imminent.

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<v Speaker 1>It's screaming at them that they're about to fall.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly that violent shaking is the exact moment the lethal

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<v Speaker 2>drop begins. The plane is literally losing its grip.

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<v Speaker 1>On the sky, so the crew is suddenly fighting gravity.

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<v Speaker 1>Captain Aspina gets on the radio to the Mikeisha air

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<v Speaker 1>Traffic control center in Venezuela, and it is just a desperate,

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<v Speaker 1>chilling communication.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The controller asks if they are experiencing a problem, and.

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<v Speaker 1>The captain responds with this catastrophic report. He says, they

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<v Speaker 1>have suffered a flame out on both engines.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is just a worst case scenario. And the controller

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground is rantically trying to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Their coordinates because they don't know where they are right.

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<v Speaker 2>This particular Venezuelan radar station isn't equipped with advanced tracking.

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<v Speaker 2>They rely entirely on the pilots to report their own position. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>but the plane is dropping at an unfathomable rate. We're

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<v Speaker 2>taking nine thousand feet in just thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>That is just falling like a rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the captain radios we are at thirteen thousand feet

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<v Speaker 2>and going down. Yeah, the plane is uncontrollable.

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<v Speaker 1>And within three minutes of that initial drop, flight seven

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<v Speaker 1>oh eight slams into a muddy cattle ranch in a

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<v Speaker 1>remote region of Venezuela, and tragically there are no survivors.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's unpack this for a second, because a dual

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<v Speaker 1>engine flame out is well, it's basically like the pilot

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<v Speaker 1>light blowing out on your home furnace, right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great way to put it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet, like the fuel is still there, the machinery is

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<v Speaker 1>totally fine, but the fire inside just dies. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>modern jet engines are incredibly resilient. Could a severe weather

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<v Speaker 1>system actually snuff out both of them at the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same time, like both engines on a car suddenly dying

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<v Speaker 1>while doing seventy on the highway.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it is extremely rare, but investigators knew it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't impossible. When Colonel Lauris Ramos, she was Venezuela's lead

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<v Speaker 2>aviation investigator, when she took charge of the scene that

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<v Speaker 2>was actually her team's initial working theory.

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, just getting to that crash site was a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading about this. It's the deadliest aviation disaster

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<v Speaker 1>in Venezuela's history, located in this lawless, swampy border region

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<v Speaker 1>right next to Columbia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the logistics of this investigation were insane.

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<v Speaker 1>The threat of kidnapping by militant groups was so high

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<v Speaker 1>that the investigative team required heavily armed Venezuelan Army escorts

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<v Speaker 1>just to be on the site, and they were strictly

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<v Speaker 1>ordered to only work during daylight hours.

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<v Speaker 2>You can only imagine the pressure on Colonel Ramos. It

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<v Speaker 2>was astronomical. I mean, the MD eighty was a workhourse

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<v Speaker 2>of the global aviation industry.

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<v Speaker 1>There were what thousands of them flying, over.

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<v Speaker 2>Three thousand of them flying around the world every single day.

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<v Speaker 2>If this crash was caused by a fatal design flaw

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<v Speaker 2>where rain could drown the engines, the entire global fleet

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<v Speaker 2>might need to be grounded.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediately, because it had happened before. Right, she knew there

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<v Speaker 1>was a terrifying precedent.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly back in nineteen seventy seven, a DC nine, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the direct predecessor to the MD eighty. It features

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<v Speaker 2>the exact same rear mounted engine design. It flew into

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<v Speaker 2>a massive thunderstorm and it ingested so much torrential rain

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<v Speaker 2>and hail that both engines flamed out and that plane

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<v Speaker 2>went down.

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<v Speaker 1>So the team had to figure out if history was

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<v Speaker 1>repeating itself. They even sent investigators back to Document Airport

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<v Speaker 1>in Panama to track down the specific fuel truck that

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<v Speaker 1>serviced flight seven oh eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking for water contamination in the fuel.

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<v Speaker 1>Supply exactly, but the lap results came back completely clean.

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<v Speaker 1>The fuel was perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's right around the time Joe Sidor, a senior

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<v Speaker 2>investigator from the National Transportation Safety Board in Washington, arrives

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<v Speaker 2>on the scene with a team of engine specialists.

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<v Speaker 1>The NTSB brings in the heavy hitters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they start pulling the wreckage out of the

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<v Speaker 2>mud and they uncover this massive physical clue. They mapped

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<v Speaker 2>the debris field and find the plane's four corners, so

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<v Speaker 2>the nose, the tail, and both wingtips, and they are

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<v Speaker 2>all in one concentrated location.

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<v Speaker 1>Which means it didn't break apart in the sky precisely.

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<v Speaker 2>Finding the four corners together in a tight cluster allows

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<v Speaker 2>them to instantly rule out a bomb, an explosion, or

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<v Speaker 2>the plane breaking apart from aerodynamic stress.

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<v Speaker 1>The aircraft was entirely intact when it hit the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, But the real revelation came when they started pulling

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<v Speaker 2>apart the jet engines themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, because they were looking for evidence of this flame

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<v Speaker 1>out exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But they examined the compressor blades inside the engines, and

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<v Speaker 2>they find severe bending and deep scoring.

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<v Speaker 1>On the metal, which is physical proof of high speed rotation.

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<v Speaker 1>At the exact moment of impact.

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<v Speaker 2>The blades are spinning furiously. The engines were operating at

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<v Speaker 2>a very high power setting when they hit the swamp.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, really, so they hadn't failed at all, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>They gave the engines a completely clean bill of health.

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<v Speaker 2>The fl never happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But hang on, if the engines were running at full power,

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<v Speaker 1>why on earth was Captain Auspina screaming over the radio

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<v Speaker 1>about a dual flame out? I mean, why would a

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<v Speaker 1>seasoned captain think his engines were dead if they were

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<v Speaker 1>actually fine?

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<v Speaker 2>And that contradiction is the pivot point of the entire investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>because if the engines were fine, what actually took down

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<v Speaker 2>Flight seven oh eight to piece that together. They desperately

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<v Speaker 2>needed the data from the black.

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<v Speaker 1>Boxes, which turned into a massive geopolitical stand.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, Oh a huge one. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Venezuela had deep political mistrust of the United States government

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, so they flat out refused to let

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<v Speaker 1>the NTSB take the black boxes back to their labs

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>But they had to compromise somehow, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the passengers were mostly French citizens, they agreed to

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<v Speaker 1>send the boxes to the aviation authorities in Paris instead, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank goodness they did, because when the French investigators finally

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<v Speaker 2>extract the audio from the cockpit voice recorder, the final

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<v Speaker 2>moments become horrifyingly clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Through all the heavy static and the sound of that

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<v Speaker 1>vibrating stick shaker, you can hear.

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<v Speaker 2>The twenty one year old first officer Munho is shouting,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a stall, Captain, it's a stall.

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<v Speaker 1>So the aircraft hadn't lost its engines at all. It

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<v Speaker 1>had suffered a catastrophic aerodynamic stall exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, for a lot of people, the word

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<v Speaker 2>stall brings up the image of a car engine just

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<v Speaker 2>sputtering and dying at a.

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<v Speaker 1>Red light, right like you stall a manual transmission.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but an aerodynamic stall has absolutely nothing to do

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<v Speaker 1>Right, let's break that down for everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, So, to stay in the sky, an airplane relies

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<v Speaker 2>plane's angle of attack, which is the angle at which

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<v Speaker 1>Like pointing the nose up too high.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, when that angle gets too high, that smooth boundary

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<v Speaker 1>It just becomes a heavy piece of metal falling through

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. But stalling a modern commercial jet at thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>thousand feet while cruising is almost unheard of. It just

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<v Speaker 1>So to figure out why the plane lost its forward

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<v Speaker 1>speed installed, they obviously turned to the flight beta recorder.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But unfortunately the unit took a massive hit in

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<v Speaker 2>the crash. It was heavily damaged and missing a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of crucial data points. Oh No, specifically, they lost the

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<v Speaker 2>engine pressure ratios, which is the data that shows exactly

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<v Speaker 2>how much thrust the engines were producing minute.

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<v Speaker 1>By minute, which is exactly what they needed to solve this.

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<v Speaker 1>But the NTSB back in Washington actually managed to use

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<v Speaker 1>specialized software to rebuild and recapture that lost engine data.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't they They did. It was brilliant forensic work, and

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<v Speaker 2>recovering that data revealed the exact mechanism of their doom.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so when you hear they were flying through a

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<v Speaker 1>freezing wet hurricane, the obvious assumption is ice build up

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<v Speaker 1>on the wings.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Naturally, because ice at the massive amount of weight,

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<v Speaker 2>it disrupts the airflow and it destroys lift.

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<v Speaker 1>So if the wings were accumulating heavy ice, the autopilot

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly you would see the engine power numbers spiking on

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<v Speaker 2>the data recorder.

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<v Speaker 1>But the recovered data showed the engines weren't spooling up.

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<v Speaker 1>The thrust was actually decreasing, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So it wasn't ice on the wings that doomed them.

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<v Speaker 2>It was incredibly the plane's anti ice system itself.

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<v Speaker 1>That is just wild to wrap our heads around.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. So investigators ran the performance calculations for the

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<v Speaker 2>MD eighty. They took the reported weight to the plane,

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<v Speaker 2>and they even added thousands of extra pounds to simulate

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<v Speaker 2>like heavier passenger luggage or miscalculated cargo.

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<v Speaker 1>Just worst case scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>Weight exactly, and even at a grossly overweight fifty five

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<v Speaker 2>thousand pounds, the MD eighty could easily maintain level flight

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<v Speaker 2>at thirty three thousand feet.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the huge caveat only if the anti

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<v Speaker 1>I system was turned off precisely.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, the MD eighty's anti ice system works by taking.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is what exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's superheated, highly compressed air pulled directly from the core

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<v Speaker 2>of the jet engines, and it routs that hot air

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<v Speaker 2>through pips into the leading edges of the wings to

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<v Speaker 1>Got it. It's kind of like driving a heavily loaded

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<v Speaker 1>you need every single ounce of horsepower just to keep climbing,

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<v Speaker 2>That is a perfect analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>Just siphons energy away from the drive train and robs

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<v Speaker 1>the engine of the power it needs to keep moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>And on the MD eighty, that performance penalty is severe.

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<v Speaker 2>The moment Captain Ospino flipped the switch to turn the

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<v Speaker 2>anti ice system on, he bled away the critical engine

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<v Speaker 2>thrust keeping them aloft.

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<v Speaker 1>The performance charts actually show that with the anti ice

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<v Speaker 1>active at their specific weight, the absolute maximum safe altitude

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<v Speaker 1>for the aircraft dropped to thirty one thousand, nine hundred

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<v Speaker 1>feet and.

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<v Speaker 2>They were cruising at thirty three thousand feet.

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<v Speaker 1>So by trying to protect the plane from ice, they

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<v Speaker 1>inadvertently flew too high for the laws of physics.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, they literally couldn't sustained that altitude with the power

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<v Speaker 2>they had left.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so the engines are bleeding power to hit the

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<v Speaker 1>wings and the plane is slowly but surely losing its

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<v Speaker 1>forward air speed. But I mean, these are highly trained professionals.

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<v Speaker 1>How does a decaying air speed indicator go completely unnoticed

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<v Speaker 1>in a modern.

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<v Speaker 2>Cockpit Because the pilots weren't physically flying the plane. The

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<v Speaker 2>autopilot was engaged. And this introduces a really dangerous quirk

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<v Speaker 2>in the automation, a cork.

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<v Speaker 1>That Boeing had actually sent a warning bulletin out to

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<v Speaker 1>airlines about three years prior.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, though there is no evidence the West Caribbean

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<v Speaker 2>crew ever actually read it.

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<v Speaker 1>So what was the quirk?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the MD eighty's autopilot was fiercely programmed to maintain

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<v Speaker 2>its assigned altitude at all costs. So as the anti

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<v Speaker 2>I system bled trust away, the plane naturally wanted to sink.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes sense, less power you drop right.

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<v Speaker 2>But to stop it from sinking, the autopilot quietly kept

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<v Speaker 2>pitching the nose up higher and higher, trying to catch

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<v Speaker 2>more air under the wings to maintain lift.

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<v Speaker 1>But pitching the nose up trades forward momentum for altitude.

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<v Speaker 1>It acts like a massive air brake exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>The autopilot was completely masking the decaying speed from the pilots.

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<v Speaker 2>It was sacrificing their air speed just to keep the

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<v Speaker 2>altimeter locked at thirty three thousand feet.

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<v Speaker 1>But Captain Ospina did eventually sense something was wrong. He

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<v Speaker 1>felt the sluggishness, he noticed they couldn't accelerate.

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<v Speaker 2>And he actually took the exact right action. Initially, he

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<v Speaker 2>disconnected the autopilot and asked air traffic control for permission

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<v Speaker 2>to descend back down to thirty one thousand feet to

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<v Speaker 2>regain speed.

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<v Speaker 1>Which would have saved them if he had just pushed

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<v Speaker 1>the nose down right then and reached thirty one thousand feet.

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<v Speaker 1>The speed would have recovered, the lift would have returned,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would have landed safely in Martinique.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have been a non event. But right at

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<v Speaker 2>that very second, as they are teetering on the absolute

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<v Speaker 2>edge of a stall, flying right at the aircraft's aerodynamic limit.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's where it gets really interesting, right, because weather plays

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<v Speaker 1>a cruel hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they are hit by a fierce twenty mile per

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<v Speaker 2>hour updraft from the storm.

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<v Speaker 1>A gust of wind blowing straight.

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<v Speaker 2>Up exactly, and that gust pushed the plane's nose up

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<v Speaker 2>just a few more degrees. It pushed the angle of

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<v Speaker 2>attack past the critical breaking point.

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<v Speaker 1>The airflow is separated from the wings.

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<v Speaker 2>The stick shaker went off, and the aircraft entered a

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<v Speaker 2>full deep stall.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so connect the dots for us here, because this

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<v Speaker 1>brings us back to the most confusing part of the

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<v Speaker 1>whole story. The plane is stalling, but we know from

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<v Speaker 1>the NTSP that the engines are still running perfectly right,

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<v Speaker 1>So why is the captain screaming to air traffic control

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<v Speaker 1>about a dual engine flame out instead of just pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the nose down to fix the stall.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tragic psychological trap. When the nose pitched up

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<v Speaker 2>so sharply and the plane stalled, it caused a massive

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<v Speaker 2>disruption in the smooth airflow traveling over the wings and

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<v Speaker 2>back into those rear mounted engines.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, because the engines are at the back, they get

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<v Speaker 1>the dirty air from the stalled wing.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. That turbulent, choked air literally starved the engine compressors

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<v Speaker 2>of oxygen for a brief.

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<v Speaker 1>Moment, So the engines experience what's called a rollback, where

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<v Speaker 1>they temporarily lose power because they basically can't breathe right, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Put yourself in the captain's seat. He hears the deafening

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<v Speaker 2>roar of the sall warning, he feels the violent buffeting

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<v Speaker 2>of the airframe, and he watches his engine power dials

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly plummet.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 2>In that terrifying split second, he falls victim to profound

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<v Speaker 2>task saturation, what we often call tunnel vision.

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<v Speaker 1>His brain just zeros in on one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, his brain locks entirely onto those dropping engine dials,

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<v Speaker 2>completely ignoring the pitch of the aircraft and the stick

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<v Speaker 2>shaker warning him about the stall.

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<v Speaker 1>He genuinely believes the storm has drowned his engines and

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<v Speaker 1>they are falling out of the sky, and his.

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<v Speaker 2>Reaction to that false belief seals their fate.

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<v Speaker 1>Because every pilot is taught from day one how to

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<v Speaker 1>break a saw right. You must push the control column forward,

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<v Speaker 1>point the nose down, and let gravity give you back

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<v Speaker 1>the air speed you need to generate lyft that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is aviation one oh one. But if your brain is

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<v Speaker 2>convinced that your engines are dead and you are plumb

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<v Speaker 2>toward the earth, your deepest, most primal human instinct is

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<v Speaker 2>to pull away from the ground. You want to pull

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<v Speaker 2>up exactly, And the flight data recorder shows that instead

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<v Speaker 2>of pushing forward, Captain Ospina pulled back on the yoke.

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<v Speaker 2>He kept the nose pointed dangerously high, entirely logging the

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<v Speaker 2>aircraft into an unrecoverable aerodynamic stall all the way down

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<v Speaker 2>to the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>And the most heart brazing part of all this is

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<v Speaker 1>that first officer Munoz knew exactly what was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>He did. We hear him on the cockpit voice recorder

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<v Speaker 2>desperately yelling it's a stall, Captain, it's a stall.

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<v Speaker 1>But the captain never acknowledges him.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he is entirely consumed by the false reality of

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<v Speaker 2>the flame out. He's hyperventilating, he's talking frantically to air

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<v Speaker 2>traffic control, and he's physically fighting the heavy g forces

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<v Speaker 2>of a plane dropping twelve thousand feet per minute.

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<v Speaker 1>And Munio's knows how to fix it. He knows they

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<v Speaker 1>just need to pitch down, but he just sits there.

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<v Speaker 1>He never reaches over, grabs his own control column and

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<v Speaker 1>pushes the nose down to save their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>It just stays a silent cockpit aside from the alarm

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<v Speaker 2>until the impact.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so tragic to understand why a train pilot

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<v Speaker 1>would sit paralyzed while his captain flies them into the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators had to look past the machinery, right, They had

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<v Speaker 1>to examine the human environment at West Caribbean Airways.

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<v Speaker 2>And what they found was just a text bookcase of systemic.

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<v Speaker 1>Failure because the airline was essentially bankrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they hadn't paid their crews in six months.

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<v Speaker 1>Six months. Think about the psychological weight of that. You're

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<v Speaker 1>flying a commercial jet and you haven't had a paycheck

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<v Speaker 1>in half a year. Captain Aspina was actually moonlighting at

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<v Speaker 1>a local bar just to put food on his family's table.

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<v Speaker 2>The stress levels were just off the charts. On the

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<v Speaker 2>very day of the crash, the crew had been delayed

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<v Speaker 2>for hours on the tarmac in Columbia because the airline

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<v Speaker 2>literally didn't have the cash to pay the fuel vendors, so.

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<v Speaker 1>They were waiting for the company to scrounge up the

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<v Speaker 1>money just to buy gas exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was their third flight of the day in

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<v Speaker 2>terrible weather. They were physically exhausted, financially ruined, and operating

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<v Speaker 2>under this constant crushing angnxiety about whether they even had

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<v Speaker 2>jobs to go back to.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where crew resource management, or CRM becomes the

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<v Speaker 2>For those who don't know, CRM is the training that

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<v Speaker 2>teaches junior officers how to clearly communicate with, and if necessary,

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<v Speaker 2>physically overrule a senior captain who is making a fatal error.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. It's designed specifically to break that rigid hierarchy.

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<v Speaker 2>But West Caribbean's training in CRM was severely deficient. So

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<v Speaker 2>you take an exhausted, financially stressed crew, you throw them

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<v Speaker 2>into a bewildering automation trap in the middle of a

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<v Speaker 2>midnight hurricane.

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<v Speaker 1>And you pair a deeply experienced older captain with the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one year old first officer who barely has any

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<v Speaker 1>time in the jet.

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<v Speaker 2>The Steve hierarchy in that cockpit meant the younger pilot

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<v Speaker 2>was simply too intimidated by the captain's authority to seize

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<v Speaker 2>the controls.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just a tragic reminder of how intense pressure and

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<v Speaker 1>task saturation can completely dismantle the training of even the

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<v Speaker 1>most experienced professionals.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is. Flight seven oh eight wasn't brought down

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<v Speaker 2>by a single storm or single mechanical failure. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a fatal domino.

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<v Speaker 1>Effect, the physics of the bleed air systems stealing engine

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<v Speaker 1>thrust the autopilot quietly masking the loss of speed, the

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<v Speaker 1>terrible luck of an updraft hitting at the exact wrong

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<v Speaker 1>millisecond in.

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<v Speaker 2>An airline culture that pushed its crew so far past

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<v Speaker 2>their psychological limits that they couldn't recognize what was happening

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<v Speaker 2>right in front of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Following the crash, West Corbadian Airways was grounded by authorities,

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<v Speaker 1>quickly went bankrupt and ceased to exist entirely, but the

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<v Speaker 1>tragedy did force major overhauls in high altitude stall recovery

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<v Speaker 1>training for MD eighty crews worldwide.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, it did, ensuring pilots recognized the insidious nature

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<v Speaker 2>of autopilot's speed decay. But if we connect this to

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<v Speaker 2>the bigger picture, the legacy of Flight seven oh eight

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<v Speaker 2>forces us to confront a much broader question about our

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<v Speaker 2>modern reliance on automation.

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<v Speaker 1>And it extends far beyond the cockpit into almost every

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<v Speaker 1>system we use today.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly when we increasingly rely on algorithms and machines to

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<v Speaker 2>handle the routine heavy lifting, our manual skills and our

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<v Speaker 2>baseline situational awareness naturally begin to erode. We get complacent,

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<v Speaker 2>we do, and the terrifying question is do those human

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<v Speaker 2>skills degrade exactly at the moment when the machine encounters

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<v Speaker 2>the situation it can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Solve, Right when the autopilot finally disconnects and hands back

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<v Speaker 1>a crisis, are we actually prepared to take the controls?

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<v Speaker 2>Something we all need to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. Well, thank you for joining us on

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<v Speaker 1>this deep dive. As always, keep staying curious, look closely

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<v Speaker 1>at the world around you, and never stop questioning the

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<v Speaker 1>complex systems we trust with our lives. Every day
