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Speaker 2: Listening to Destination Impact with Zach and JB on the

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is up?

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Speaker 3: Not much that much, Zach. Just getting into the heart

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of summer around here, so you know, Lee Wrestling starts

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heating up a little bit as well too. We're on

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the road to Lockdown right now, so excited to talk

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about Impact this week.

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Speaker 2: It would be nice if wrestling was as hot as

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it is physically outside.

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Speaker 3: It's like the build too. Yeah, I mean, like I said,

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not like a big WDV guy, but from what ID

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it was this all the wait show, So it's the build.

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The summer slim isn't the strongest this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of things in there, but yeah,

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it's I don't know, there's there's I don't know, we

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could definitely hit on that a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Show talk about it.

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Speaker 2: So absolutely so impact this week. I gotta be honest,

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there was a lot in the show that Drew drove

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me absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hits and misses. I have like three hits

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and I don't even like seven or man NB eight

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misses maybe eight or this is so that tells you anything? Yeah, well, what.

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Speaker 2: Was your biggest miss this week?

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Speaker 3: Let's see, just going through my list, what was the

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most offensive of Yes, I guess maybe not the most

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offensive necessarily, but obviously the biggest tangle. I really didn't

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like the Casey Navarro Nick Neammath interaction this week. I

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thought it kind of made Navarrow look a little bit

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like a MOBI read my head, so this is I think,

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I said, MOPI Casey Navarro gets lam based by Nick Nammath. Uh.

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It really wasn't my favorite. Obviously, I'm happy that Navarro

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was being elevated, but I don't want it to be

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to the point of elevating so he looks like a

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like a stooge in front of Nicknamath, who him fine with,

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But I don't think maybe he has the value TNA

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thinks he has, although I just saw it right before

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the show started. TEENA did like the best ratings they

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haven't quite some time on the last week's show, but

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aw is ready to hugely up this week too, so

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it's kind of they close to like eight hundred thousand

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this week, So it seems like wrestling ratings are kind

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of up across the board. That's sure what SmackDown's been doing.

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And obviously it's kind of hard to judge raw because

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it's on streaming, so but yeah, that that interested me.

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But I think sometimes maybe ten a little too much

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value on Nick Demuth relative to what he's done in

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his career. I think it kind of showed a little

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bit too much this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked like the Case Navarro promo once he

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was actually once he actually started cutting a promo, I

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thought it was pretty good. But yeah, like Nick Nemeth

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is is really not doing it for me, I guess

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I will say I thought it was significantly better and

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more serious feeling without Ryan Nemmouth out there obviously, so

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that was refreshing.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I'm afraid they can't keep I think

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I saw the match stay out this week is is

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Ryan Nemess in that match too, which it looks like,

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you know, the most TNA match you can imagine they

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have schedules for this date man tag.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, as soon as you get used to not

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seeing him, then he and he comes slipping down. Ye

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the rap there, But yeah, I mean, I feel like

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what you're saying, though, it's it's kind of for a

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world title program. It's kind of in a weird place.

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like that, but I mean, I don't know. It doesn't

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seem like we're there yet, so I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like this is just kind of a

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one off and a short build at that, so you know,

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Speaker 2: So do you think he just beats him in lockdown

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and then that's it?

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah, probably just beats him at lockdown. I

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beat It's TNA, so it's definitely possible they continue, But

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then I don't I don't think they're going to happen.

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I will take it off Memathi this point, so I

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don't know if I want Memath to go over tomorrow

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like two or three times either. I don't know if

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that's any better so yeah, so it's a bit of

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a conundrum. But I mean, if they if he's elevated

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in five, but they have to make sure he keeps

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that momentum, which is I think a little hard to do,

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just because the tears are that clearly defined in my opinion,

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in DNA right now, as far as you know who's

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on what level.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and there was a lot of issues with

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kind of like everyone there building up this week. I was,

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you know, obviously I get trying to keep people strong,

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but I really don't understand what's going on with like

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with the system and Ricky Soso losing to bear Bronson.

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I mean, I know you can say it was due

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to you know, interference, and there's another match also, the

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Fabian Einer. Obviously I will go one by one here,

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but I was most offended by Ricky Soso losing to

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Bear Bronson because it still felt clean to me. I

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know that there was the interference, but it still felt

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clean to me, and I was just I was kind

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of shocked, like I was like, oh my gosh, what

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are we doing here? And that's his first DNA loss.

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Speaker 3: To That's that's not my hits and missus. It's my

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misses as well, so well not even just so, bar

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Bronson also threatening to kill Ricky Sosa in the different promo,

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which you know is being a Wade hates that and

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I'm certainly on the same page with him there, and

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then defeating him in a match that's that's the very

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same night. So yeah, as I think I wrote, like,

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you know, stop with these little IQ promos about killing someone,

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and I don't care if there's a distraction finish. You

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don't have Bear Bronson be the one defeating Ricky Sosa

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at this point early on Sosa's run. If you're going

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to have member of the System defeats Sosa, have it

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be someone a little bit more credible, like Cedric Alexander

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or Eddie Edwards. So yeah, I just feel like they

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really kind of ncapped Sosa unnecessarily here. You could have

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him lose, but let's Kara Brunton's pretty low on the

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totem pole. I don't know if that's the best movie,

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and I get the distraction angle is involved, but hap

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it just to be do a more credible wrestler regardless

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because that image is still going to be there.

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Speaker 2: So and then Leon Slater like wasn't out there at

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all during that to offset Brian Myers, but then later

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they so I thought he wasn't going to be on

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the show at all. Then he comes out at the

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end there, you know, I just like you said, I

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just I don't think Baron Bronson is the right guy.

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I mean, they just then they just beat them in

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a tag match last week. So this is just it

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feels like very fifty fifty booking, which is kind of

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like a kind of been an epidemic. I mean, I

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know it's been an epidemic in all of wrestling, specifically

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in ww and therefore I guess TNA, but man, it

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feels like it's all over the place in TNA right now,

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and it's really to me, it's detracting, Like it feels

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like they're cutting cutting the legs out from underneath a

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lot of these guys. And and you know, I know

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Ricky Sosa is really popular, and I know he can

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definitely lose. I don't have any problem with him losing,

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but I think Eddie at this point, Eddie Edwards would

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have made more sense to me in this situation for sure.

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And I even get but like I said, I get

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building Bear Bronson if you kind of want to do that,

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but I just I don't think we are twenty of

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your top young acts as the guy to beat him

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too here. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, totally totally agree. Just you gotta be a

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little smarter booking than that. I mean, there's no reason

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to do that. You definitely could have had something, even,

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like I said, even Cider g Alexander, which I know

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he's in a different few, but he's more credible as

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far as the singles act at this point. So have

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you know he he get done it, but yeah, Brian

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Myers or Bear Bruns and he just isn't it at

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this point.

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Speaker 2: And it's like every single system match and sort disqualification

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or interference. Is that a I mean, I don't know

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if that's a fact, but is that a real thing?

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Speaker 3: It might? Yeah, I mean I can't you know I

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don't have it.

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Speaker 2: No, you don't have to, don't even look.

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Speaker 3: But anecdotally, if we're just if I'm looking back at

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through my own memory, yeah, I mean I can't think

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of a time in the recent memory it hasn't been

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the case. So but it kind of reminds me of

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it was like, yeah, the story was good, but I

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mean it would be like like I don't really look

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forward to the actual matches because I just I know

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what it is. It's a lot of it's gonna be

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a lot of you know, chinery going on, which isn't

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my preferred type of wrestling, so what you know, I

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get it, but just not my thing. It might be

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for some people. It was definitely kind of more episodic storytelling,

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which I definitely get to some people like, but this

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isn't this is even close to that level regardless with

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the system, So I don't think there's any justification for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, why are they keeping the system strong

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right now? I mean, like they in the same episode,

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it felt like they were talking or telling the story

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of them struggling and then and I thought that I

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thought that's where this was going, and they were going

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to kind of and which is I don't want to

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see two factions going down the struggle storyline, which with

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felt like they were going through the struggle storyline. And

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then you know, they took the Night on Impact this week,

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so it felt like they just like immediately threw that

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away and they beat Rickey Sosa to them, and then

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you know, we were both pretty sure. I mean, I felt,

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I don't know, I felt like it was I would

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have bet on it if I bet on things that

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Fabian Eightner was going to win the X Division title

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this week, but it didn't happen and they had.

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Speaker 3: I totally don't get that. Yeah, I totally don't get

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like working a great match, and then all of a sudden,

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here we go, it's like the system's interference happened, and

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then it was over, and I was just like, damn, dude,

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like this is really how we're doing it, And like thought,

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like motivated to deliver every time he was on TV,

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and he definitely did again here and and he just lost.

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And I'm just like I was shocked. So yeah, tell me,

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tell me what you think about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another miss I had is that, you know,

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you given this great debut, you show him strong, and

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you build your building him consistently since his debut. Then

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you have him lose his uh, you know, his Tinical

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ex Division title match against Alexander, you know, an impact.

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the title that Slammiversary, but I figured that maybe they'd

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want to, you know, build to maybe a singles match

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with Eichner and that's when they would put the title

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on him rather than a multi person gimmick match to

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give him, you know, kind of the proper moment. But

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then they have him losing a singles match. So it's like,

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you know, once again, had social laws tonight. So it's

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like teenates almost allergic to elevating their debuting wrestlers, moving

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younger talent up the card at the right pace. And

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that's a bit of a problem that we're having right now,

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is just that no one is able to advance, and

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then they don't strike while they aren't hot, So then

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when it's time to maybe move someone, they've definitely they've

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cooled them down and maybe they're not at the strongest

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point to be moved up the card. And you know,

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I wrote kind of in the same vein when we've

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talked about this last three weeks, there was was there?

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So it's been what three weeks now since since Slammiversary,

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not one even single mention of who Nation's kind of

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anti climatic pay per view debut. So it makes me

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wonder is even like signed with the company. H It

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just seems like inexcusable. It goes so long without even

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mentioning them, because, like you said, if you don't watch

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special events, you have no idea he's what the company

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over a month almost a month period at this point.

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So that's just kind of another example of not move

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potentially moving someone up the card. But I don't know

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your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So on I agner they he lost his debut

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match to Eddie Edwards with Shenanigans, and then he didn't win.

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He didn't win Ultimate X, and then there might have

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been a tag team match where he was in it.

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I don't know if he won. He might have one win.

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But yeah, it's been been tough sledding for him, and

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I thought this was a good time for it. But yeah,

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who was the other the other person you.

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Speaker 3: Spoke just oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was buried in

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the notes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like.

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Speaker 3: Impact proper, he hasn't been mentioned once. So it makes

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me wonder if he's even scientifically signed with the company. Otherwise,

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why would you go, why would you bother to beat

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him and just not even mention it, you know, not

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even like vignette build him up or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's there's no way he just came in

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for a payday, because I'm sure it wasn't that good

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of a payday just to come out there lose like

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a dope and then that's it. That's your TNA run.

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Like maybe he got hurt. I mean I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Like, yeah, maybe that, but even then, you feel like

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you mentioned that that he's with the company in some capacity,

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you know, just like you because people who are watching

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those events saw that happen. At least they're like Okay,

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who's this And the next time he comes around, they're like,

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wasn't the guy that did a cup of coffee? And

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then we didn't see him again for months what have you.

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So it's a very odd situation there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then of course they wouldn't possibly use the

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injury report to ta give us any information on that.

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It's just now it's basically a Nick Nemus segment, which

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was kind of maddening in itself.

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Speaker 3: Now, so yeah, the injury reports lost any relevance whatsoever.

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It's kind of a joke. So yeah, I don't really

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pay much mind to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was very I mean I kind of thought

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like this was the week that Uhan Nation might get

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a reference with the order for in ring.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Second, but then it just was I mean I don't

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even know what that was honestly that we were working

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you go ahead.

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Speaker 3: God, Yeah, so you just let lay it out, Yeah we.

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Speaker 2: Can, okay, So yeah, I mean we we talked about it,

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but yeah, like you you talked about last week not

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wanting to see mustaf Ali kind of dragged down into

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lower level storylines, and this feels like as low level

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storyline as basically possible, Like I mean, I get that

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he's kind of, I guess, playing a character that's supposed

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to be I mean, making fun of certain people of

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the past. But I mean, I don't know, man, this

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feels like exactly what we were afraid of basically. I mean,

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at least they did announce that they're going to have

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a challenger, although even the way that they're setting up

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the challenger for the international title is is absurd basically

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to me.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I mean, so you have him stuff Ali.

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He's one of, you know, the better talents in recent DNA.

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So he's been dragged down by or we've discussed in

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Order for for for quite some time now. So I

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was optimistic that maybe with the recent discent between Ali

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and the faction you know that he was, he was

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gonna dump them and go kind of as a pure

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singles act. But instead, the transformational addition of Mila Moore,

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who honestly I'm not even really that familiar with and

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I don't think the audience is particularly excited, is not

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gonna do not doing much for looking to add credibility

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to Ali or add entreat to Order four. In general,

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you know, it was beyond underwhelming, and I'm pretty sure

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majority of the fan base would not get it out

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of excitement from from from this kind of you know,

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this decision. So I'm really not sure what the point

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of this was. It was, yeah, waste of time, honestly,

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and more isn't going to do anything to improve the

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act if it's already dragged down too long and this

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is going to extend it, I'm not sure this is

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the jolt in the arm that it needed to make

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that work.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I didn't know what I was expecting when

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he was about to announce a new member and then

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it would just and I'm not even familiar with my

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own more at all, so it was the first time

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I can recall seeing her, So it was kind of

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a shock to me, but also a shock like in

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a bad way, like where I'd just groaned and was like,

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oh man, like where are we going with this? And

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maybe the the wrestlers backstage are going to vote on

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Nuhan Nation being his opponent. I guess, I hope so

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at this point, just so he's not just disappeared off

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the base of the earth after one appearance, doesn't feel

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like that's like where we're going, because you know, I

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would have thought that at least we would get one

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dignette through this entire three or four weeks that it's been.

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I would have thought we would have seen something if

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that was still happening. So I really just don't know

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what to think about that, But yeah, it was it

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felt very like WW derivative with this missed off Ali stuff.

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And I mean, I guess at least Tasha Steeles was

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wasn't like I mean, she was really hamming up the

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like unhappy facials. So I think that's a good thing

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that maybe it won't get drawn out too long and

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we'll get to whatever the next step of this storyline is,

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and maybe him losing that title will come soon and

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we can if that's a catalyst to get him away

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from this. Although I gotta be honest with them, they're

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just now introducing Mayam more to it feels like it's

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at least going to continue for a little while. Maybe

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the new Faction is just going to be like Agent

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zero and mayamor with Ali for a little while until

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they bail on him too. I guess I assume this

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is all leading to everyone bailing on must off Ali ultimately.

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Speaker 3: But I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many.

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Speaker 3: You're going to take the Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like why, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, no one cares about the other act, so what

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is that? It doesn't do anything Fraley, which he should

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be at the major priority here.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, it almost feels like he's just writing

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his own stuff and they're just like, yeah, just just

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go with it. Here are your people to play with,

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and he's like okay, Like I don't know. It just

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feels so strange that this is what he would be

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doing when he's probably in the ring is probably one

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of their probably their best wrestler. I mean, I don't

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know for sure, but I mean there's some good ones,

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but just all around potential talent, like he could certainly

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be at a higher level, and this feels like we're exchanging,

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Like it seems like he's moved down the card over

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the last two or three months.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, significantly agreed, which is the opposite what should be happening.

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And it's almost feels like John Moxley with the Death Riders,

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except with much less talent across, so it doesn't work

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quite as well. When you have the level of talent

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of you know, the great Hands in Mile of War

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or whatever you have in that I thought Justa's she's

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pretty good, but you know, I don't think she's going

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to save the act by any means.

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Speaker 2: And it might be good for the Knockout Division for

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her to get out of this and just be as singles,

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you know, or something. And she probably has I can

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kind of fill some babyface potential here, so you know,

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maybe just like she is, like, she could probably have

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some potential even to challenge a heel champion, you know,

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like Zion Brookside for for that title. You know, even

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if it's unsuccessful. I could definitely see her as a

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babyface kind of like you know, I guess you wouldn't.

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It wouldn't be necessarily be an underdog if it's Zirebrookside,

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because it's hard to book Zion Brookside against like an underdog,

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I would say. But yeah, I could definitely see some

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potential with Tasha Steele's kind of breaking out a little

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more into the singles knockout division, and that might be

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a good thing. So if this is leading to people

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getting separated here, that's good. But it feels like we're

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not like Ali is not heading in a good place

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like the rest of them might benefit from it. It

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doesn't feel like he's going to benefit from this really,

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no matter which way it's going. So I don't know

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what to say about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed, Whether you know he kind of turns on

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them or are they abandoned him? Either way, I don't

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see how it does much for him. So what t

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should he as we mentioned, you know, like you said,

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maybe maybe Tosh the deals betef it's slightly, but honestly,

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i'll should be the priority here.

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Speaker 2: So absolutely, I mean what is with I mean it

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just it feels like there is becoming some sort of

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emphasis of like not putting people like the younger people

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or the people that could be the next generation. I'm

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not really considering Ali necessarily young.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but young per se, but he's fresh least I

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guess you'd.

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Speaker 2: Say, yeah exactly. And that was the of the note

475
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,079
I wrote, was why are they not treating the fresh

476
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,039
talent very well? And like with all this fifty booking.

477
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,920
I mean, I just it just seems strange that they're not,

478
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:17,799
like super getting behind anyone on the card right now.

479
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed, It's like they want to eat their cake

480
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,200
and have it too because they want to feature these

481
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,559
young people, but they're not willing to put in the

482
00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:27,359
work or you know, make the ultimate decision to let

483
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,720
them advance and then you know, really move up the

484
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,200
card as opposed to just kind of being in the

485
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,480
mix but never quite getting over the hump. None of

486
00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:35,599
these guys ever seemed to be really getting fully over

487
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:38,240
the hump, including Leon Slater, which obviously we know there's

488
00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:41,119
extenuating circumstances there, but I mean, you got to look

489
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,240
at that too, like Santana finally did it, it feels like

490
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,920
they kind of even botch that. So yeah, it's just

491
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,319
like way too much reliance and guys like Moose and

492
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,119
Eddie Edwards and the Hardy's and you know, those kind

493
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,400
of nick Nabath even to a certain extent, and you know,

494
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,200
a lot look, those guys are fine, but it's like, man,

495
00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:01,000
there's not a lot of years left with some of

496
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,400
those guys, so you're gonna be left with not much,

497
00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:06,920
you know, you're your top guys are shooting. Obviously, you

498
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:08,880
always typically tend to have to go to eight W

499
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,920
or wwe I have given the ultimate choice.

500
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,559
Speaker 2: So I mean, it feels like there could possibly be

501
00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:16,559
a case of like a lot of these older guys

502
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,960
not one to put over the young the young generation.

503
00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:22,240
I mean, I hate to say that or even accuse that,

504
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:24,160
because I you know, I'm not, I'm a no. One,

505
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,599
but it kind of feels that way sometimes when no

506
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,400
one is really I mean, the people who are winning

507
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,279
the most and going over the most is are just

508
00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:37,279
the people that have been around forever. I mean, maybe

509
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,519
that's to reward them for being there. I mean, and

510
00:25:39,559 --> 00:25:43,880
I get that too, but I do think it's kind

511
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:45,759
of weird that we're going It's like we're going into

512
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:48,799
a season that started with like highlighting the young guys,

513
00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:51,759
and then quickly a week or two later, it was like,

514
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:54,759
well all of them lost this week.

515
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, ly too, and maybe do a better job of

516
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,920
spreading it out with that's the decision you're going to

517
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,400
make too much apparently obvious.

518
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,839
Speaker 2: Uh. Final thought on Fabian Nightmer and the ex Division title,

519
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:12,160
do you still think he's the next ex Division champion?

520
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,960
After Cedric or do you think where do you are

521
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,880
we still thinking that? Or is it going to go

522
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:18,720
somewhere else? Now?

523
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,599
Speaker 3: It kind of feels like it might be Ricky Soson

524
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,559
now if you're kind of developments of last week. Yeah,

525
00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:28,039
which is fine too, but just like, what is what's

526
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:30,720
Eichner going to do now? In the meantime, He's already

527
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:34,119
kind of basically lost his first real main feud, and

528
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,000
you know it was a mid card feed to begin with,

529
00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:37,880
So where does he go? But where does that recent

530
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,480
investment go moving forward?

531
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty concerning. I guess that's why I was

532
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,319
hoping it would just go ahead and to happen, because

533
00:26:48,079 --> 00:26:50,519
it feels like he's going to get lost in the shuffle.

534
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,720
Although I mean, it does look like we are going

535
00:26:53,799 --> 00:26:57,319
to maybe get this like faction warfare situation that I

536
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:00,960
think I talked about the very first episode. We did, mean,

537
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,200
it kind of looked like they were leading to something

538
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,960
with that with Moose, but then he kind of I

539
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,920
guess he beat Eddie and now he's done with him.

540
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,079
So now it's looking like we might still get some

541
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,000
sort of like six man at least tag match, like

542
00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:17,680
some sort of faction warfare kind of situation.

543
00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 3: Lockdown is a multi man like, oh that's right match, right,

544
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,440
So it has to I mean, have to be building

545
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,480
to that. I would imagine I keep forgetting that.

546
00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:31,519
Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, I forget that Lockdown like that that

547
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,160
in it doesn't like que in my mind that that

548
00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:38,799
is a hint that it's a stipulation match.

549
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,039
Speaker 3: It's not like Blood and God's or War Games. You know,

550
00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:43,319
it doesn't, you know, because it kind of gets overlooked

551
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,640
to because they haven't done it in a while.

552
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: So is lockdown just like I mean, I'm actually I'm sorry,

553
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,279
I'm actually forgetting the style of match that it is.

554
00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean Lockdown from what I recall is

555
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,279
kind of I guess you'd say it's like, you know,

556
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,559
standard cage rules when my pinfall submission escaping depending on

557
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,599
depending on the year, I think. And then there's like

558
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,319
a few specialty rules. So it's essentially Teenay's version of

559
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:18,920
war Games SI war Games mechanics. So they have like

560
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,920
a staggered entry. Two wrestlers begin the match after five minutes,

561
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,920
and other restler enters the ring, with new entrance alternating

562
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,799
from each team every two minutes. The roof. It's like

563
00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:32,839
a large cage roof, so there's various weapons hanging from

564
00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:35,519
the roof and all the competitors. Once all the competitors

565
00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:42,400
have entered the match, and so pinfalls. I believe pinfalls

566
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,440
and submissions are legal until the roof roof is locked

567
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,119
in place, and once everyone is inside, the weapon usage

568
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,200
is authorized. Then the matches one via pin faller submission.

569
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:57,079
So you know, essentially essentially like war games with specialized weapons.

570
00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:59,680
I guess, so not not too much different.

571
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:02,039
Speaker 2: And how many people are in it.

572
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,759
Speaker 3: Typically changed from year to years, but if I have to,

573
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:11,000
I'll look it up to see because been a while.

574
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, any idea who else would be aligning with this?

575
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 3: With a team to five on five? Okay, so what's Yeah,

576
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,599
it's obviously the system, so that's where that's four guys

577
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,960
right three four, Yeah, it's four guys right there. And

578
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,319
then okay, then maybe they add one more, maybe they

579
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:32,319
add like a Francis, because then Elijah it's gonna may

580
00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:34,279
be be and Moose's side, it seems after this week.

581
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I could see that.

582
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:42,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you get Moose Elijah the heart ease

583
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,640
maybe like another person Hm hmm.

584
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they were all kind of mixing it

585
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,880
up last week to some degrees. Yeah, So there's a

586
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,799
lot going on there. It feels like the system or

587
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:04,599
are everywhere as always and yeah, I mean I I

588
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:07,400
to me, it's not justice if if all the babyfaces

589
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,720
go over and that's like the way and every time

590
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,200
like they lose, the show ends with them like you know,

591
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,960
sitting the crowd home happy with celebrations and stuff, and

592
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,039
I'm like, man, yeah, but they lost every time, and

593
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:23,240
so I feel like that's been the ending of impact

594
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:27,759
a lot of times lately. Is like trying to make

595
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:32,559
up for you know, all of these top stars losing

596
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:40,000
by making them celebrate after you knows, successfully thwarting a beatdown. Basically.

597
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,920
I just I think that that. I think there's definitely

598
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,480
some some things I'm worried about as far as like

599
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:48,519
the creative team right now.

600
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's the Jeff jareded booking style that

601
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,079
you've seen in a Cross Points wrestler. They're just overbooked

602
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:57,960
stuff where just too much is going on. I mean,

603
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,559
you need to be a little bit more focused, in

604
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,200
my opinion, he said, for sure.

605
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,920
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606
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,519
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Speaker 2: I kind of mentioned Brooksides our Brookside. They actually opened

618
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,240
the show with like a recap of her successfully defending

619
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,599
the title against Laying Lead last week, but then like

620
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,799
the follow up was a backstage segment where she interrupted

621
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:03,880
a Elena Black promo and they teased a feud there,

622
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,119
So I thought that was really stranger, and also the

623
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,440
fact that Elena Black definitely outshined Zion brooks Side in

624
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:15,720
the segment and they're both heels. I thought that was

625
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,720
kind of I mean, I just it makes me question

626
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,960
our whole choice of Elena Black winning the tournament, because

627
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,960
I don't I don't know if they're gonna go with

628
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,079
this match instead, and maybe Marsha is gonna win it

629
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,839
or something. But what were your thoughts on that? On

630
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,079
the follow up to the match last week, the Knockouts

631
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,680
Championship match and just that tease with Elena Black and

632
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:40,599
Zion Brooks side.

633
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I had the same thoughts as you.

634
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,720
So it's funny because it was both a hit and

635
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:46,519
missed for me in the sense that the hit was

636
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,480
a Lena Black's heel promo. I thought she's been doing

637
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,920
a pretty good job of staying simple and staying in

638
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,599
orlane a traditional heel. You know, they're simple and arrogantly

639
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,480
to the point, as they should be. She established that

640
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,000
Weddy should chew is legitimate, there's respect there for the

641
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:05,680
Knockouts TV Turtle Tournament match next week, while also simultaneously

642
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,440
dismissing Shoe is a true threat. And then she acknowledged

643
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,640
their history without going too deep and overexplaining or being

644
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,680
met about it. You know, about their their history and

645
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,839
that xt So I really liked that basicness of her promo,

646
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:20,319
but the miss for me was Elena Black going face

647
00:33:20,359 --> 00:33:23,000
and Zi Brookside. So both of these women are clearly hells.

648
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:24,960
So why does Tina Field the need to have Elena

649
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:28,799
give a face promo in essence against brooks Head and

650
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,680
saying that Brookside is jealous of her because she's everything

651
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,039
that Zaya can never be. It's not even like entirely

652
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:35,319
sure what that means. And then this is gonna make

653
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:38,680
the fans either side with Black, probably having Black overbrooks

654
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,519
Side and then obviously giving them mixed emotions about you know,

655
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:43,839
what's a heel who they should who's a heel who

656
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:46,200
they should root for? Ultimately, and like you said, this

657
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:48,599
would be a weird decision to actually go to because

658
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:50,440
they're both just clearly heals. There's not even a lot

659
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,519
of ambiguity in their character at this point, so you know,

660
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:57,079
it would mean an odd an odd odd pairing. I

661
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,119
think I'm not really sure how the build up that

662
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,079
few would really work overall, in my opinion.

663
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:08,559
Speaker 2: So so do you think that that does pose issues

664
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,599
for Elena Black in the in the tournament for the

665
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:14,480
TV Knockout TV title.

666
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 3: It almost feels like, yeah.

667
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:18,679
Speaker 2: Like, are you still picking her?

668
00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: I don't know. Now, I kind of agreed, almost feel

669
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,360
almost the feeling that brooks Side is a bit of

670
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,719
a coster at some point in the tournament almost kind

671
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,840
of deal at this point that that's kind of where

672
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,320
I'm leaning, which isn't definitely is it wouldn't be my

673
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,239
preferred choice, but that almost just kind of feels like

674
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,280
where it's going right now.

675
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a crazy decision because, like you said, Elena

676
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,119
Black is like one of the i mean low key

677
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:44,119
like one of the better heels on the show, just

678
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:49,320
kind of like a classic wrestling heel, and that's gonna

679
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,480
instantly turn her babyface even that, like not only would

680
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,199
the action just kind of build sympathy for her, but

681
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,280
also she's gonna beat her on the mic too, So

682
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,199
it's a it's really strange decisions there.

683
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I just I don't think that's playing to

684
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:07,760
either person's strength through I mean, maybe whose sense its

685
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,039
playing to Elena's Black strength, And it's not putting her

686
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:13,199
in the best position either, because she wants to get booged.

687
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,239
I mean, you want her against the classic face that's

688
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,000
going to get the crowd behind them, it's not really

689
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:17,920
helping either character.

690
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: Did you have any thoughts on the on the TV

691
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:26,400
tournament TV Title Tournament this week?

692
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a couple observations, and neither of them are

693
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,960
particularly good. Honestly. Is that the you know, like I said,

694
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,760
I don't hate the Elegance brand in the sense of

695
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,079
Heather and M by Elegance, I think there's something there,

696
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:40,079
but in their current form, I don't love them sweeping

697
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,679
the first round or that I gots a TV title tournament,

698
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,320
you know, just the way they're currently presented, just isn't

699
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,719
that critical credible to me? And I don't necessarily think

700
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,480
they should be getting wins in the first round over

701
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,159
acts like qualified acts, particularly like Rosemary, And I did

702
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:57,880
think M was kind of rather clunky intermatch against Rosemary

703
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,519
this week in my personal opinion, So I wasn't a

704
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:04,280
fan of that direction entirely. And then secondarily the Tahal

705
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,280
t Ahl going over Harley Hudson. While I am a

706
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,079
big fan of Hale in her provement throughout her XT run,

707
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:13,199
but at this point she's she's an NXT signed wrestler.

708
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,519
Hudson's assigned knockout has a good amount of potential. This

709
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:18,800
seems like a good, low risk opportunity to put the

710
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,280
homegrown TENA talent over an established but not critical NXT wrestler,

711
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:24,719
and they still wouldn't pull the trigger on it once again,

712
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,599
So I don't know what that says about, you know,

713
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:28,719
TNA acts moving forward, and once again, I think it

714
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,679
hurts the overall credibility relative to a much smaller ww

715
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,639
NXT brand, you know, in the ww ecosystem. So I

716
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,599
wasn't really a big fan of that direction. Well, I

717
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:41,159
do like t a l. I just don't think it's

718
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,400
it's what's best or more prudent for TNA moving forward.

719
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get what you're saying about the the clunkiness

720
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,639
of m BI Elegance, but she also did have some

721
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:01,360
I mean, I thought she looked pretty good, and you know,

722
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,400
if it wasn't all of the Elegance nonsense, I feel

723
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,639
like there is definitely something there with both of the

724
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:11,679
Elegance brand tag team.

725
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:13,519
Speaker 3: And I do agree, but with with it, you know,

726
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,239
it's it is there right now, So I just don't

727
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,239
think you can overlook that it is. Yeah, So it's

728
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,159
like I totally agree, but you got to you got

729
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:24,039
to strip that away from them before you start treating incredibly.

730
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't know how good it it, Like

731
00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:34,920
does the the Knockouts tag titles to have Ali and

732
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:37,840
Rosemary both lose to the people they just beat for

733
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,039
the tag titles at Slam Aniversary, like I would have

734
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:44,480
booked it actually the exact opposite, which that's basically what

735
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:47,880
you're saying. And I, yeah, I just so that is

736
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,039
definitely something I was like questionable. I thought it was

737
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,840
very questionable. And then of course Ray Holt with with

738
00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:00,639
his I guess now obligatory elegance brand over the top stuff,

739
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,880
and so I had to we had to get that

740
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:03,960
as well.

741
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, it's like Tim Corey Graves, you

742
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,559
know when he just you know, he the years but

743
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,199
or but also too it's too cute by half. I

744
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,199
also do hate when they do tournaments like that and

745
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:16,679
they just happen to get matched up with, you know,

746
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,119
people as they were feeding before previously, like in the

747
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,639
first round. That's not how tournaments are actually structured. If

748
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:23,880
you're treating it as a legitimate sport, it's you know,

749
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,920
it's you should be completely random or they do like

750
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,239
seating or something like that, if you're gonna do you know,

751
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,519
get really down to Granulther. But just it always, it's always,

752
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:31,599
you know, and a lot of a lot of companies

753
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:33,239
are going through this. They always end up few, you know,

754
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,199
having we were futing with currently it just happens to be,

755
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:38,840
you know, the first round matchup, which is too cute

756
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:39,519
by choice for me.

757
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I mean, I guess they're just gonna

758
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,880
feud for the tag titles forever because there's definitely been

759
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,360
no talk of the tag titles or any set up

760
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,159
of anyone else.

761
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,159
Speaker 3: It shouldn't even exist in DNA. I don't knock out

762
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:58,039
the division. It just doesn't make sense right now. It's

763
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,159
two teams and they just but it's not a pay

764
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:02,239
per view time. I just completely lost until they have

765
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:03,639
to have a match on a pay per view and

766
00:39:03,679 --> 00:39:05,800
there's no built to it, nor really really cares.

767
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, and uh for the other match, Uh, I

768
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,920
figured the hell would win the first round. It just

769
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:19,599
it felt like that was the way they were going

770
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:25,559
with it. I do see something in Harley Hudson, something

771
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,760
something like makes me cringe about her and something makes

772
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,480
me interested in her. I really don't. It's like she

773
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:36,440
kind of but she's intriguing, so so there is something

774
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:42,079
definitely there. Her hair, I think is not the paintness necessarily,

775
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:44,599
but just that it's like so solid and doesn't really move.

776
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,719
And she she moves a lot, but her hair seems

777
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,039
to never move. But she's got impressive strength. And and

778
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,840
I thought they had a pretty good match. I assume

779
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,000
THEA Hill's, you know, losing to Indie next week, so

780
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,440
r I don't know if that's for sure next week

781
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:03,800
or not. They might have announced that. I'm not hunter sure,

782
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,119
but that's the next round for them. But overall, yeah,

783
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:11,360
I kind I get what you're saying, because Harley Hudson

784
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:14,039
seems like somebody who definitely has like a place in

785
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:18,519
the TNA Knockouts division going forward, and so you might

786
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:21,639
want to give her a little more credibility here. And

787
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,280
the Hill wouldn't have lost anything in the grand scheme

788
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,719
by losing to Hudson here, whereas Hudson would have definitely

789
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,840
gained a lot winnings, So even that one match would

790
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,440
have kind of been a significant thing for Hudson to

791
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,480
claim going forward in promos or whatever.

792
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,559
Speaker 3: But yeah, and Harley Hudson kind of revives me. I

793
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:43,960
don't know if there's a good comparison, but from a

794
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,480
new formative a Ruby Soho kind of just kind of

795
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,039
has that unique kind of yeah whichould look which is

796
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,480
you know, you know, breaks from the traditional knockouts or

797
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,840
Diva's you know, old Diva's formula, which which I do

798
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,559
like to see that sometimes just different mixes in.

799
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 2: For sure. I am definitely eager to see where she goes.

800
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:09,559
Preferably for me, she's got to be a heel though

801
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,159
I could see crowds getting into her, but I feel

802
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:16,880
like she's going to be more effective as a heel personally.

803
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:17,679
Speaker 3: Yeah.

804
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:24,159
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Speaker 2: So, speaking of tag titles, we didn't think, I mean,

824
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:33,519
I guess. I mean, it's like a week of going

825
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:37,480
back to other older things. So the Hardy is just

826
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:43,280
randomly invited by way of like hologram or holochron whenever

827
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,079
it was invited the righteous to the compound. So we

828
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:50,880
are actually getting that when we were kind of like

829
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,519
happy that that didn't happen before, and I was kind

830
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:57,039
of shocked it didn't happen, So it actually is happening.

831
00:42:57,039 --> 00:42:58,840
And it kind of felt like they randomly went back

832
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,880
to this without any any build or any warning, ye,

833
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,199
for the last few weeks, so it's any thoughts on that?

834
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's why it's also another myss for me.

835
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,599
I'm what have the Righteous done since losing to the

836
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:15,400
Hardy's last that would justify a title rematch? If anything?

837
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,199
Haven't they only lost since since that point? So I'm

838
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,199
very confused. It feels like they've been heavily delegitimized over

839
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,280
the last few weeks and now they're planning on reigniting

840
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,320
that few just kind of randomly, like you said, out

841
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,599
of nowhere. So you know, if it's if this is

842
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:31,840
the moment that the Righteous are going to take the

843
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,000
Hearty titles off the Hearty, it seems like the worst

844
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,039
way possible they could have gone about building to it.

845
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,360
And that's just you know, in my opinion. But yeah,

846
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,960
that was it was a miss for me this week

847
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,199
as well. And also the Hardy Compound, you know whatever,

848
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,599
I mean. You know, we've done a lot of goofy

849
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:48,199
stuff already some people. You know, the mileage is going

850
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,880
to vary with the Wicked Garden match. Now we're going

851
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,920
to the Hardy Compound, which feels has done it about

852
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:56,440
you know, sixty times throughout TEENA history at this point,

853
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,360
so it's kind of the uniqueness is definitely run off there,

854
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,519
and like you said, like I said, it just feels

855
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:06,480
like the righteous fab there's no reason they should be

856
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,320
getting a title shot, and it just it felt like

857
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,360
they had kind of moved on, honestly, and then it's

858
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,360
completely like, oh, we don't have anything else because there's

859
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,800
two tag teams, so we're gonna do something else, kind

860
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,519
of goofy with cinematic stuff again. So I don't know

861
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:20,320
that that's just my personal take on it.

862
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if like that, did they announce

863
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:29,719
that the tag titles were on the on the line

864
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:33,400
and in this the thing. I don't know.

865
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,199
Speaker 3: I don't think they specifically mentioned so, but I mean,

866
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,559
I gotta imagine it's leading there some capacity if it's

867
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:41,519
if it's not if they don't, you know, sometimes they

868
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:43,679
just mentioned on the actual TV show too, they don't

869
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:45,440
mention it, you know, any build up to until the

870
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,000
actual night of done that a couple of times recently.

871
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,199
I don't think they specifically mentioned, but I guess I

872
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:51,199
had just made that assumption.

873
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I wonder if, like I mean,

874
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:59,239
this probably isn't going to happen. But it almost feels

875
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,880
like they were so excited to see that, we're almost

876
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,559
leading to some sort of like broken faction where I mean,

877
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,599
I don't know, I guess that would be just beyond insanity.

878
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:16,079
But I just don't know what If they they're not

879
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:17,960
going to win the tag titles, I don't know why

880
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,840
we're going back to it, especially like without any bills.

881
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,880
So so those strange strange stuff there.

882
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, agreed, Agreed, Yeah, I don't entirely know where they're going.

883
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,360
Like you said, if they're not going to win the titles,

884
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,920
you're going to go back to it again, and yes,

885
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:36,800
like at the expense of building up anything else for

886
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,519
the for the future. Then it seems like you're just

887
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:39,880
treading water at that point too.

888
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 2: So so the only way you can get tag title

889
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:49,159
match is either by begging Darya Ray or by like

890
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:54,119
some sort of magic I guess envelope. I don't know

891
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:55,400
exactly what it even was.

892
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, no one actually earned the tag title match because

893
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,519
there's like three teams, so it's just by Hooker to

894
00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:01,719
find a way to get in there.

895
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: With the Hardies, the only team that really has a

896
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,079
claim to get a shot at the tag titles right

897
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:12,079
now is Sosa and Slater because they've beat the former

898
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:14,840
champion and former uh challengers.

899
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's why I thought they were.

900
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: And I would still root for that.

901
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: That's where I thought they were headed. But then this

902
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,800
week's just complete curve all. It feels like, so, yeah,

903
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:26,679
get involved again, but the compound seems like it's not

904
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:27,719
letting itself to that.

905
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,079
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean that that just that is the

906
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:34,519
weirdest thing about this week. They kind of felt like

907
00:46:34,639 --> 00:46:38,679
things were starting to go in a certain direction. I

908
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,880
was like, Okay, I can kind of see where we're

909
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,320
going with this, and and there's a couple of those

910
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,760
I guess you can, but OUCH like it just it

911
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,239
kind of went with sideways there with with with a

912
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,639
lot of the decisions, with Sosa losing uh you know,

913
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:01,159
Slater kind of not being mentioned much at all, and

914
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,480
also you know, yeah, I don't know, it's just it's

915
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:09,000
it's strange how they're doing that.

916
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't really have an explanation for Like you said,

917
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,760
it's like we took you know, one step forward and

918
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,440
two steps back this week, which is a little disheartening.

919
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,000
But it's just kind of in the direction lately.

920
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: So so you you informed me speaking of tag teams,

921
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,639
and I wasn't super familiar with them, but Center and

922
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,960
Saint was a tag team with TNA that was granted

923
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,440
their release this week. What are your thoughts on them?

924
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I thought they definitely had potential. They

925
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,000
obviously haven't been used very much at all in the

926
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:43,480
last few months, if at all, I'm not sure, but

927
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,239
they were initially paired with Josh Alexander is the Northern

928
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,519
Armory and then they were moved over to Eric Young

929
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:50,480
and they were here with him as well, and I

930
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,639
thought they definitely had potential. I think, you know, we

931
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:55,239
texted about it, but definitely more than the Great Hands did,

932
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:59,320
and particularly such a thin TNA Men's tag division, I

933
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,239
definitely thought, you know, there was a place for them.

934
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,079
So it's kind of you know, I guess it makes

935
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:05,239
sense with with Eric Young requesting his release, they were

936
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,400
pretty closely aligned with him, so you know, I guess

937
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:08,719
kind of the writing was on the wall there and

938
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,119
they hadn't featured much quite a few months, but I

939
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:14,360
definitely thought there was more they could have tried to

940
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,760
do with them. It definitely wouldn't have hurt, like as

941
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,639
I mentioned, in such a thin tag division. You know,

942
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:21,639
I definitely would have given them at least a chance

943
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,719
at a push to see where they could have ended up.

944
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,360
But I guess it wasn't to be, which, you know,

945
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:28,280
not the biggest deal in the world, but you know,

946
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,079
just a little little things like that where it's like,

947
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,679
you know, where you're making the investments to grow, it

948
00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:36,760
seems like it can be lacking at times in this

949
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,840
you know, current ten a creative direction.

950
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: So would you rank that, you would rank them higher

951
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,199
than the Great Hands?

952
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,559
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, absolutely, I mean, okay, I think you could.

953
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,000
You could argue that. I think they could argue they

954
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:52,920
could be on power with the Righteous, if not maybe

955
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,440
exceed them slightly. Just you know, if they were given

956
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:57,079
you know, the ball to be able to you know,

957
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:58,760
be able to run with the ball, I think they

958
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,679
could have gotten to that point at least, which isn't

959
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:03,320
necessarily the highest bar either, but it's pretty good in

960
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:04,880
the current landscape at least.

961
00:49:08,119 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: Yes, agreed, agreed. So what did you think about the

962
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,639
Kazarian Well, it was really the Moose and a J.

963
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,000
Francis match. First of all, I actually liked the match

964
00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:29,480
of course and in Shenanigan's as it must. But I

965
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:32,199
actually thought it was a pretty fun match between the

966
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:39,960
two big guys. Wait they did have a match, right, I'm.

967
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 3: Like it was Yeah, so Kazarian was on guest commentary

968
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,039
it was from it was a Moose a J. Francis match.

969
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I just lost in Sorry.

970
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously having Kazarian, I guess commentary use a dead

971
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,159
giveaway that there's gonna be Shenanigans and likely she finished

972
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:59,719
the Yeah, so I actually don't want to see Kazarian

973
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,719
fe with Moose moving forward. That's the best. The lateral

974
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,400
move for Eddie Edwards probably a step back from Eddie

975
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,559
Edwards and at least a J. Francis is a younger

976
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:12,320
wrestler that I could see some potential in. As we mentioned,

977
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,519
I feel like this is going to get a little

978
00:50:13,519 --> 00:50:17,440
bit like wrapped into that that stable warfare probably is

979
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,519
that they're going to need to establish for lockdown, which

980
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:21,800
is why I kind of hate, like, uh, you know,

981
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,719
employment booking like that because it forces things that might

982
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,559
not be you know, at the right time in this

983
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:29,639
in a story beat. So I'm not a big fan

984
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,960
of that. But it looks like that's probably the direction

985
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:33,480
that we're headed.

986
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:39,519
Speaker 2: So any thoughts on the match itself between them before

987
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,159
before the unfortunate ending.

988
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 3: It was a decent match with with a bad ending,

989
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,519
But yeah, the match itself was fine. I mean, I

990
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,840
think Move's pretty good. I have no problem with Moose

991
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,880
because Arian is a grizzled that. I mean, obviously he

992
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,360
was just a commentary, but when he got involved and

993
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,559
Francis is okay, I mean, I think he can get

994
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,039
a lot. I think I've given the proper reps. He

995
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:00,320
probably gets a lot better. But it probably they don't

996
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,559
come that that much in teenage just because of the

997
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:07,519
the you know, tape taping schedule as opposed to less

998
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:10,480
live events. But you know there's potential there. But the

999
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:13,119
Mashell Barrow was pretty good. Bad ending, and I'm not

1000
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:15,639
sure I love the direction, but the match in and

1001
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:16,800
of itself was fine.

1002
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, as soon as I knew and

1003
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:26,199
I'm curious now, but I mean, of course, as soon

1004
00:51:26,199 --> 00:51:28,159
as I saw Franki Kazari and I knew what the

1005
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:31,199
finish was going to be. But I'm starting to wonder

1006
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,920
if is this just a TNA thing that if you

1007
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,239
see somebody on commentary, they're for sure going to be

1008
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,679
involved with the finish, and I'm not sure if that's

1009
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,719
one hundred percent of the time on TNA, but that

1010
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,000
might be one hundred percent of the time in all

1011
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:45,239
of wrestling. And I'm starting to be like, oh, is

1012
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,719
this the thing? And that makes sense, I guess, but

1013
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,280
at the same time, I hope it's not. I'm just like, Okay,

1014
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,079
hold on a second year. There's definitely been times in

1015
00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:56,360
the last few months that you've seen somebody on commentary

1016
00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:59,960
that didn't directly lead to the finish. I have to believe,

1017
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:02,599
but I'm not sure that's the case into.

1018
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 3: Your next Yeah, no, it seems seems like more so

1019
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:09,239
even than than other company's honestly, percentage wise, if I

1020
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:10,039
had to guess.

1021
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,519
Speaker 2: So, I thought they had good in ring chemistry though,

1022
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,559
especially for the big Man.

1023
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're both power I.

1024
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,559
Speaker 2: Thought Moose was moving around pretty well.

1025
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're both obviously powerhouse former from our NFL players,

1026
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,000
so they're clearly athletes, and they're both obviously pretty large

1027
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,280
and stature relative to most of the general male population.

1028
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:34,559
So I think I think it worked for them.

1029
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,599
Speaker 1: You know, that last segment, you're just listening to and

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00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:38,719
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Speaker 2: I think I would have I would have rather them

1045
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,559
build to this match and then start with like the

1046
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:30,639
tag match or something like that, and maybe do the

1047
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:33,840
Frankie if we're gonna do Frankie Kazarian and Moose like

1048
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,639
that should have been at the beginning. Then you could

1049
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:37,559
have done the tag match, and then you could have

1050
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:42,239
gotten to the singles match between Frances and Moose. I

1051
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,400
assume Moose eventually goes over in the feud. But actually

1052
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,599
this is probably one of my other than the finish.

1053
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:50,559
I hated the finish, but just kind of like the uh,

1054
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,719
the end ring, I thought that was one of the

1055
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,320
more fun one of the more fun stuff on the show.

1056
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:02,679
Although Expressions was trying to fill in for Ryan Nemouth

1057
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:08,360
with like the super intense facial expressions, so I definitely

1058
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:08,840
noticed that.

1059
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, agree, Yeah, there has to be one cartoonish of

1060
00:54:14,519 --> 00:54:18,199
facial facial figure guy per episode. I think it's like

1061
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:19,800
it's a quota they have to hit.

1062
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 2: So always, let's see. Was there anything else from impact

1063
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,960
that caught your eye?

1064
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 3: It's just one thing was mentioned it briefly, but Ricky

1065
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,840
so also getting involved after the main event Excivision title match.

1066
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,320
I really hope that this means this has been positioned

1067
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,079
for the X Division title now after kind of the

1068
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:43,800
Fabe and Eichner, you know, miss as we just discussed.

1069
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,599
But I can't fully trust teen there right now that

1070
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:49,599
they pulled the trigger based on you know, recent When

1071
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:51,719
I say recent, most recently, this is this week's booking,

1072
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:55,239
booking pattern, So that's what I hope the case is,

1073
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,559
but but I can't particularly with the X Division title.

1074
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:00,280
I can't I can't put my finger down on at

1075
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,320
this point, but that, yeah, that's that's kind of one direction,

1076
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,119
I hope. But like I said, I still think SOSA

1077
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:07,920
and Later it's a tack team has legs well a

1078
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,639
lot dependence Later's contract situation as well. So there's a

1079
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:13,039
lot of moving parts in the background that I think

1080
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,639
are going to determine the direction of Creative, you know,

1081
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,440
to the end of the summer.

1082
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:23,679
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's unfortunate that it has to. I mean,

1083
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,480
I know it's a part of the game, but it

1084
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:27,880
is unfortunate that it has to kind of affect the

1085
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:33,039
on screen products so much. I mean, it's basically obvious why.

1086
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,159
I mean, it's obvious that those things are happening is

1087
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,840
directly linked to the things that are happening on TV,

1088
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,519
so that that kind of sucks, honestly, But I know

1089
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:45,760
it's it's just the nature of the game, I guess.

1090
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, there's ebbs and flows always,

1091
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,239
but you just wish it would get more like a

1092
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,440
more consistent handle on creative. Like still it seems like

1093
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,360
like b J. James or road Dog has an officially

1094
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,400
signed so you know, who knows that that's going to

1095
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,719
be reality at this point and quite a bit of

1096
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,280
time now, so maybe maybe the ship sailed on that.

1097
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:06,840
But yeah, it seems like this is kind of what

1098
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,440
we're going to get. Seems like we've kind of settled

1099
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,119
into the groove post post Timey Dreamer, so it seems

1100
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:14,320
like it's a little established that we've got a pretty

1101
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,239
good insight into what it's gonna look like moving forward.

1102
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 2: It's been so it's been a roller coaster because like

1103
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:24,000
I was like impressed with kind of the shine that

1104
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:26,159
they were putting on the young guys in the first

1105
00:56:26,199 --> 00:56:29,559
couple of weeks, and then it feels like this week

1106
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:35,039
it kind of went to a drastically different place. I don't.

1107
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,199
I mean, maybe I'm just I'm just completely bad at

1108
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:42,000
reading where things are going, but it just it felt

1109
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,039
like things changed kind of over the last last week.

1110
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:50,280
I guess I do kind of like the team of

1111
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,719
Moose and Elijah. Something about that team kind of I don't.

1112
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,400
I don't know if I would say that's like one

1113
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,239
of those single stars teams that could go out of

1114
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,239
the Tag top of the Tag division, but I kind

1115
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,079
of like the pairing like the Moose and Elijah, I

1116
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:07,400
don't know.

1117
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:12,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, honestly, I need Elijah to be a little

1118
00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:15,239
bit more serious if he's gonna be interacting with Moose tho, Yeah, yeah,

1119
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,559
I need him to get me just stuff a little

1120
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:21,880
bit from the the bagabond guitar player, that character that

1121
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,280
he plays, be a little or if he's gonna do that,

1122
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:26,599
there's a way he can make that tough too, I suppose,

1123
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,960
But it just seems like he gets a little bit

1124
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,760
too too lost, And I don't necessarily call it comedy,

1125
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,960
but it's also not serious, So I think he gets

1126
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:37,519
gets lost a little bit of purgatory that exist between

1127
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:39,719
those two, those two extremes.

1128
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, like I like their interaction because it kind

1129
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:46,679
of to me it played into that a little like

1130
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:50,000
it kind of took It wasn't about him being a

1131
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:52,960
guitar man. I'm sure he was playing like his guitar

1132
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:54,559
was there and he was like put in the case

1133
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:57,239
or whatever it was. But it actually felt like Moose

1134
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:03,840
brought some seriousness out of of Elijah there. So I've

1135
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,159
always thought that Elijah could be better if he wasn't

1136
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:08,639
just relying on the I mean, I know he's not

1137
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:11,320
amazing in the ring, but I feel like he could

1138
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:15,599
tap into a little bit more creativity. I mean, he's

1139
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:17,960
been relatively creative, but now I feel like the gimmick

1140
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,679
has ran its course, and I'd love to see him

1141
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,679
he doesn't have to fully reinvent himself, although that'd be

1142
00:58:23,679 --> 00:58:27,039
fine too, But it would be cool if if we

1143
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:29,960
saw something different. But I guess, like we've kind of said,

1144
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:34,000
he's found that hockey talk man gimmick that he can

1145
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:36,880
kind of ride forever, which you can still you could

1146
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,639
go away from the gimmick and then go back to

1147
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:40,920
it also, so I mean it wouldn't hurt, It never

1148
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,360
would hurt necessarily to kind of branch out and try

1149
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:44,920
something new.

1150
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, totally agree. There's like you said, this

1151
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,920
is but as I've known him in his entire career,

1152
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,400
which is probably a little over ten years now, this

1153
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,320
has been a variation of this exact same character. There's

1154
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,000
no depth or layer. I mean, it just it's always been,

1155
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,280
which you know, it's fine. I mean, it's probably you

1156
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:04,480
could be in the same position at a card for

1157
00:59:04,519 --> 00:59:07,800
a long time doing this. But Andy, granted he's been

1158
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,800
in a couple of different companies now as well, since

1159
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,800
I've seen him doing this, so yeah, I mean there's

1160
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,559
obviously limitations, but you know, he's he's got this down,

1161
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:18,119
I suppose, but I would just be positant into pairing

1162
00:59:18,199 --> 00:59:20,400
him with with top acts if finness he's going to

1163
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:21,880
to adjust his game to certain extent.

1164
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: So he actually, to me, he feels like he's been

1165
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,039
around basically forever, like because he's basic, he's kind of

1166
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:35,079
like a derivative or like a juiced up version of

1167
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:38,400
past gimmicks. He kind of just feels like he's always

1168
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,159
existed and that he is very old. Like I even

1169
00:59:41,199 --> 00:59:44,079
feel like when he gets in front of crowds, they

1170
00:59:44,119 --> 00:59:47,719
react to him like he's this ancient act that's just

1171
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:51,480
been going on forever and ever, which is kind of

1172
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:53,599
it's kind of sad to me when like when he

1173
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,519
enters and people are like, yeah, walk with Elijah, Yeah

1174
00:59:57,639 --> 00:59:58,480
I remember that.

1175
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,519
Speaker 3: It's just kind of you know, doing like the uh,

1176
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,800
you know, the best hits, which were I should say

1177
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,199
best hit because it's not like its grades of the

1178
01:00:07,239 --> 01:00:08,840
South Park episode where you go, I think I forget

1179
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:16,320
that I loved all your greatest hit. Yeah that's amazing.

1180
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:20,079
Speaker 2: It does feel like they're kind of trying to warm

1181
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:24,119
up Moose. Uh yeah, with some sort of bigger push.

1182
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 3: You know, I do like Moose, but it's just like

1183
01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:30,599
we've seen Moose at the top so many times. It's like,

1184
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:32,280
let's give, let's give some of the some of the

1185
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,039
kids that you shot here too. Though It's like, I

1186
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:36,679
don't have a problem with Moose, but it does feel

1187
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:40,280
a little bit a little bit repeat or rerun, even

1188
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,280
even though I like his current character even but it's

1189
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,880
not like he's greatly involved necessarily either. He's still kind

1190
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,599
of the brute force, you know, tough guy, which which

1191
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:51,039
he is probably realized too. But it's just just you know,

1192
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:55,280
you know, you you really have so much, so many

1193
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,480
cycles to get these other guys over, and then that

1194
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:00,519
time passes and then you have no one place Moose

1195
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:03,079
when you know, a couple a long time. But you know,

1196
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:04,679
even he has a sholve life.

1197
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, I could kind of see him getting transitioned

1198
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,559
into the role to be the one to take the

1199
01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:16,519
title from Memuth, especially especially since there hasn't been anyone

1200
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:19,840
else that's clear clearly been placed in front of us

1201
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,320
yet other than the Borrow.

1202
01:01:22,599 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, but maybe the title from them

1203
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:29,039
to Moose. It's just like and then you know, I

1204
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:32,559
don't know, just's like what's agoin Shreddy Water to to

1205
01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:34,559
certain no One. You know, you're you're not investing in

1206
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:35,840
the next generation at that point.

1207
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a lateral move.

1208
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,559
Speaker 3: And at that point, who's the young here You're gonna

1209
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:44,199
put over Moose? And granted that would be probably quite

1210
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:45,880
a bit done the line, but I can't think off

1211
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,519
the top of my head, you know, more so heavily

1212
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:51,760
on the on the baby face younger baby face side.

1213
01:01:51,679 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 2: So well, I mean maybe I'll lead at that point.

1214
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,519
I could, I could see that basically.

1215
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that'd be came with that. But you know

1216
01:02:01,039 --> 01:02:02,840
that's like you said, that's probably be months and months

1217
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,480
down the line. Yeah, for sure, take off the head

1218
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,440
off moves, So who knows the landscape look like at

1219
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:07,840
that point.

1220
01:02:09,639 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So right now you think there's no chance Navarro

1221
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:14,599
is winning the title right now.

1222
01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:18,239
Speaker 3: The way it's been booked, I would be pretty shocked

1223
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,000
if if you took it off them, which I assume

1224
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:22,159
it's going to be at lockdown, but you know that

1225
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:24,119
probably won't have been main event Lockdown it would probably

1226
01:02:24,159 --> 01:02:25,480
be the lockdown match itself.

1227
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: So ah, yes, good point.

1228
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it kind of sees where where they see

1229
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,760
that feud. I guess what level they see that feud.

1230
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 2: Well, I kind of hope that they just give it

1231
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:37,440
the main event, but.

1232
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 3: I did too. I'm typically I always default should be

1233
01:02:40,519 --> 01:02:43,639
the World Championship match, and that's very rare circumstance. But

1234
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,760
you know that's you know, it's kind of like WW

1235
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,519
with the Royal Rumble or War Games or you know,

1236
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:52,039
AW with like uh, you know, with lights Out match.

1237
01:02:52,159 --> 01:02:53,559
You know they do that a lot too.

1238
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:59,320
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01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,280
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Speaker 2: All right, so did you happen to finish or get

1252
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:40,000
caught up on Dark Side of the Ring? Yeah?

1253
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 3: I did watch most of the Dark Side of the Ring.

1254
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,559
I think there's a little bit left, and it was

1255
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:47,159
it was fine, but I'll be I didn't feel like

1256
01:03:47,159 --> 01:03:48,800
I really learned much, to be honest, and it felt

1257
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,159
like it was kind of one sided in the presentation

1258
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:54,199
of my opinion, which isn't that common fruit for Darkside

1259
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:55,679
the Ring. So I would say I was a little

1260
01:03:55,679 --> 01:03:58,039
bit disappointed there, But I know they didn't have access

1261
01:03:58,039 --> 01:03:59,679
to everyone, so that's probably why I got a slant

1262
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:02,320
to it. But that's just kind of how I personally felt.

1263
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,119
So I don't know what would you take?

1264
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my biggest take was that I just

1265
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,840
there's so many people that I would have really liked

1266
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,039
to I mean, okay, well, if it was more based

1267
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:17,599
on TNA itself and not so much on the story

1268
01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:20,519
of Jeff Jarrett, there's so many people I would have

1269
01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:23,440
loved to hear from, like, like, I'd like to see

1270
01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:25,320
Kurt on there. I would have liked to see Stinging

1271
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,079
on there. I would have liked to see someone Joe.

1272
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,199
Speaker 3: Have been really important too. But I understand that type

1273
01:04:30,199 --> 01:04:30,639
of stuff.

1274
01:04:30,679 --> 01:04:35,079
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, ude, that would have made the thing

1275
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,360
like a whole different kind of thing if you had

1276
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,320
if you had both sides on there, that would have

1277
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,880
definitely been I mean, she's obviously the glaring absence on there.

1278
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,559
So yeah, I mean I definitely didn't feel like I

1279
01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:52,280
learned a ton. I guess like I kind of got

1280
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,800
a little sympathy. I don't know why, but I kind

1281
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,800
of came out a little sympathetic to been through. So

1282
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,960
I'm not saying I want him to see him booking

1283
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:03,440
wrestling or anything, but at times I was kind of like, ah, so.

1284
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,599
Speaker 3: You think the vitriol he get can be can be

1285
01:05:06,639 --> 01:05:09,119
a bit excessive relative to other people that are just

1286
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:12,119
as Cardio as In my opinion, I think like Eric Bischell,

1287
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,039
I view Eric Beschoff in the same light that I

1288
01:05:14,159 --> 01:05:19,920
view Vince Russo. I don't Cardi's kind of artist vibe,

1289
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,800
and that's you know, I feel like he gets a

1290
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,840
past sometimes and I'm not sure why, but he always

1291
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,280
he's always rubbed me the wrong way.

1292
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do always love I'll always love to see

1293
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,079
the Cordnet Russo if you play on on.

1294
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 3: On the screen, I honestly I think it's a big

1295
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,599
exagert for the cameras too. I think it's definitely going

1296
01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:42,679
a bit of a especially Cornet's playing a bit of

1297
01:05:42,679 --> 01:05:47,559
a character. Absolutely, Yeah, it is funny. I mean, I

1298
01:05:47,559 --> 01:05:48,280
can't deny that.

1299
01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:52,239
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was I was disappointed that it was.

1300
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,760
I mean, I guess, I mean, I don't know, should

1301
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,239
I I should have known this, I guess, but I

1302
01:05:57,239 --> 01:05:59,039
guess I was just kind of disappointed that it was

1303
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:03,559
such a just Jeff Jarrett kind of documentary and it

1304
01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:06,480
was three parts, and ultimately I do think it could

1305
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:09,960
have just been one decently long episode if it was

1306
01:06:10,119 --> 01:06:13,239
gonna be just on Jeff Jarrett and not more about

1307
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:19,039
TNA and just kind of more about like the guys

1308
01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:20,960
that did. I mean, I know, they they gave some

1309
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:24,320
shine to some of them, and I liked the little

1310
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,920
piece that they gave, you know, to the knockouts kind

1311
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,400
of being like the Revolution and women's wrestling before it

1312
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,639
happened on the mainstream or whatever, because that's true and

1313
01:06:33,679 --> 01:06:35,440
that's a really cool thing, but I wish they would

1314
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:36,400
have gone further with that.

1315
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the Knockouts Covision used to be the

1316
01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:41,960
pinnacle of women's wrestling because it was a joke in

1317
01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:44,719
WW for the longest time with the viewers era, you know,

1318
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,440
key matches and stuff like that, where they're actually having

1319
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,679
real credible matches in the Knockouts division, which is kind

1320
01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:51,639
of funny based on the name, but yeah, it was

1321
01:06:51,639 --> 01:06:54,239
a reality. And even up up until relatively recently, we

1322
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,199
could argue TENA had that one of the best women's divisions,

1323
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,159
I know, you know worldwide professional wrestling.

1324
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 2: And tag team I mean, and and like even the

1325
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:07,519
younger I mean, like the you know, the cruiserweights style division,

1326
01:07:07,519 --> 01:07:08,239
I like there.

1327
01:07:08,159 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 3: Was the division originally was.

1328
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, there's definitely a time when TNA was

1329
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,480
had a lot of of the kind of cutting edge

1330
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:25,039
wrestling happening. I I I guess I shouldn't be shocked,

1331
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:29,440
but I can't help but like just kind of just

1332
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:32,440
like watching Jeff Jarrett talk and just be like, yeah,

1333
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:37,599
you're you're working, I mean, come on, man, Like.

1334
01:07:39,079 --> 01:07:41,159
Speaker 3: All those guys, I think what they say honestly, with

1335
01:07:41,159 --> 01:07:43,400
with with the grain of salts, because they're so used

1336
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,360
to promoting that that's all, it's all they know, you

1337
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:45,840
know what I mean.

1338
01:07:46,599 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: So I actually really liked Steiner in it. I thought

1339
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,719
he was one of the cool people to have being

1340
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,199
interviewed because I haven't seen him in that many interviews

1341
01:07:55,239 --> 01:07:58,880
and he kind of just came across as honest and

1342
01:07:59,239 --> 01:08:02,400
like straightforward words. I like that. I also liked the

1343
01:08:02,719 --> 01:08:06,079
awesome Kong as well. Yeah, she she came across really well.

1344
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,119
Speaker 3: I think she's pretty well respected, you know, from an

1345
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:13,639
industry perspective, so as a wrestler and you know outside

1346
01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:14,280
the ring as well.

1347
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 2: So for sure, what are your thoughts on on Jeff

1348
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:22,640
Jarrett as a wrestler and just kind of your grant

1349
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,479
your wider view on him.

1350
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,239
Speaker 3: I guess definitely a little bit of mixed opinion to

1351
01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:31,039
a certain extent. I mean, he definitely had his moments

1352
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,680
as an injuring wrestler that you know, I can't take away.

1353
01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:36,560
He think a little bit more earlier on his career

1354
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,640
and even in TNA, there was a certain amount of

1355
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,680
value to tim I think, particularly earlier on But I'm not

1356
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:44,520
the biggest fan of his his booking mind. I actually

1357
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,119
mentioned a little b earlier in this episode, but but

1358
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:47,880
I call it that the Jeff Jarrett was kind of

1359
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,720
a super overbooked mess at times. I think he is

1360
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,720
a king of trying to do too much, you know,

1361
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,359
and not pacing things out well enough. And I think

1362
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:57,560
sometimes even in aw you see that from a booking

1363
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,560
agent perspective, maybe because he's an agent in the back

1364
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,920
I believe, so you know how he probably interacts with

1365
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:04,479
others and you can maybe see that show up on

1366
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,920
shows sometimes with you know, things that are kind of

1367
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:10,560
repeating each other and are not spaced out properly enough.

1368
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,680
So like mixed opinions, because I do think he's contributed

1369
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,239
quite a bit to the business, but I also think,

1370
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:18,279
you know, he's probably you know, hurt the business from

1371
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:21,039
from a like backstage booking perspective. In that regard, I

1372
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:23,439
would want him carrying the book for me. But if

1373
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,520
you you know, I could probably find a spot in

1374
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,920
ash you know, in my company for him to you

1375
01:09:28,039 --> 01:09:29,239
just got to be a little bit rained in to

1376
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:29,960
a certain extent.

1377
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:33,279
Speaker 2: So do you still like him as an entering performer?

1378
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 3: I mean currently now I wouldn't. I don't necessarily need

1379
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,439
to see in the ring at that point. Like if

1380
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,600
you wanted to do maybe like a pure manager type role,

1381
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:46,039
that might be okay, which he maybe sort of does,

1382
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:47,760
but I don't need to see him actually in a

1383
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,279
mattress point in his career. They tried to do the

1384
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:52,800
mjfftared think a few years ago, and they had to

1385
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,920
pull the plug on that because that was getting pretty

1386
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:56,159
bad reception.

1387
01:09:56,359 --> 01:10:02,039
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was not into that. There was I mean,

1388
01:10:02,039 --> 01:10:04,119
that was at a time when the m JF character

1389
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:08,640
was in a really strange place, which I mean, we

1390
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,600
can we can always go down that rabbit hole sometime,

1391
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,640
but uh yeah, I mean I I don't know if

1392
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,920
it's a possibility, but I love key would like to

1393
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,720
see Jeff Jarrett return to TNA and in some capacity,

1394
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:24,439
I mean maybe he doesn't even I mean, would you

1395
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,840
give okay, how about this, would you give Jeff Jarrett

1396
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,319
the book in TNA right now?

1397
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 3: I mean no, I would give it to I wouldn't

1398
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,960
also give it to Delirious either, though he's curtly things.

1399
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,560
So no, and I guess no, and no, I would

1400
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,960
probably look for maybe some younger pressure talent I mean,

1401
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,600
it's possible for them to poach Jimmy Borash being in

1402
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,920
Triple A. That's actually exactly I think. I think he's

1403
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,880
killing Forgery Rush is killing in Triple A right now.

1404
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:54,880
And I think he's done a lot of great things,

1405
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:56,880
even in n X Team, even back when News with TNA,

1406
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,640
He's I think he's a He's a great booking mind

1407
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,159
in my opinion, So I would, I would if I

1408
01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:03,279
could give him the book somehow I'm pach him for WWE.

1409
01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:04,479
That's probably to do.

1410
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always been a fan of Jeremy Borash. I mean,

1411
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,640
I feel like whenever it was him and Matt Hardy

1412
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,520
with the Broken Universe.

1413
01:11:13,159 --> 01:11:16,079
Speaker 3: That was yeah.

1414
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,159
Speaker 2: Exactly, And most of the things that even the crazier

1415
01:11:19,279 --> 01:11:21,920
ideas I feel like we're in later in TNA that

1416
01:11:22,079 --> 01:11:25,720
we're still kind of entertaining. We're definitely Borash stuff.

1417
01:11:26,119 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, And during the pandemic area and w W, Borush

1418
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,000
currently did a lot like the aj Styles Undertaker thing,

1419
01:11:31,039 --> 01:11:33,199
which I thought was pretty good, even like the Bray

1420
01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:36,960
Whaitt John Cena thing I actually thought kind of worked. Oh,

1421
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:39,239
I had a lot from understand, I had a lot

1422
01:11:39,279 --> 01:11:41,119
to do with it, kind of producing those.

1423
01:11:41,279 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 2: So I know the funhouse match is a is kind

1424
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,800
of a divisive thing, but I kind of thought that

1425
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:53,600
was like a, I don't know, it's like it's wrestling adjacent.

1426
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,199
Like I I showed that to friends that weren't even

1427
01:11:57,279 --> 01:11:59,760
into wrestling at the time because I was like, dude,

1428
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,600
check this way shut out, Like I don't even know

1429
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,359
what to say this is. But honestly, it was pretty

1430
01:12:05,399 --> 01:12:06,359
captivating stuff.

1431
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, way gives a lot of more

1432
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,399
leeway to that time, just based on you know, the

1433
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,199
time that we were living in, and I tend to

1434
01:12:12,279 --> 01:12:13,800
tend to give boor Lee way as well, So I

1435
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,680
thought that stuff worked. Particularly that AJ Styles Undertakers thing

1436
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:17,920
we just talked about as well. You know, that turned

1437
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,239
into like a big name that meme format, but it

1438
01:12:20,319 --> 01:12:22,159
was just kind of a play moment when the Undertaker's

1439
01:12:22,279 --> 01:12:25,159
standing behind AJ Styles. So I thought that was that

1440
01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:27,920
was pretty funny. But it works in the environment that

1441
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,279
we were living at a time, you know, kind of

1442
01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:33,079
like stadium Stampede worked in aw same as well. I

1443
01:12:33,359 --> 01:12:37,680
give leeway to that. So yeah, yeah, that's just kind

1444
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,399
of my overall opinion for sure.

1445
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 2: Do you think you could do a TNA like a

1446
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:50,680
successful TNA doc without specifically highlighting like everything about Jeff Jarrett.

1447
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:52,520
I mean, I know you couldn't do the story without

1448
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,199
Jeff Jarrett, but could you do could you do a

1449
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:59,720
TNA doc more about like I don't know, I guess

1450
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,159
less centered on Jeff and more just about like, yeah,

1451
01:13:03,319 --> 01:13:05,199
I think the wrestling and the book, you know that

1452
01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:05,800
kind of stuff.

1453
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 3: Realistically, if you look at the you know, entire history

1454
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,319
of the teenage, Jeff here was relatively kind of a

1455
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,319
you know, obviously if he was very instrumental in the beginning,

1456
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,800
but you know, there's a lot more parts that the

1457
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,199
history since that point. I mean, Billy Corgan was involved,

1458
01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:21,119
as we mentioned, Dixie Carter was involved, You had all

1459
01:13:21,159 --> 01:13:23,520
the you know, the w W two, b W have

1460
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,640
cast off, the old heads were involved. That was a

1461
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,000
big aspect of people just collecting paycheck, like Booker he

1462
01:13:29,039 --> 01:13:32,000
admitted at one point. I mean, there's a lot to

1463
01:13:32,039 --> 01:13:33,920
go in on there, even you know, like the original

1464
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,119
guys that had a lot of talent, you know, Daniels, Samoy, Joe,

1465
01:13:37,359 --> 01:13:40,520
aj Styles, Amazing Red that we talked about a few

1466
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:45,239
weeks back. So yeah, you know, even guys that are

1467
01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:47,359
still around. Abyss was a big, big part too that

1468
01:13:47,399 --> 01:13:49,880
I think he's a little underrated in wrestling history. Eric

1469
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:54,800
Young that talked about just recently left. Someone else just

1470
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,960
recently left as well, but that I wasn't mentioned. But yeah,

1471
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,159
I mean there's there's so there's DNA is such a

1472
01:14:00,319 --> 01:14:03,239
rich history of something good, a lot of it bad,

1473
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,359
but there's a lot to talk about that. I think

1474
01:14:05,399 --> 01:14:08,039
you could do like multiple episodes, but you'd have to

1475
01:14:08,079 --> 01:14:09,359
take a different look at it and be able to

1476
01:14:09,359 --> 01:14:12,159
get a bunch of people to participate. And I'm not

1477
01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:14,000
gonna fully trust what a lot of those people say,

1478
01:14:14,039 --> 01:14:15,239
so that's why you got to get a bunch of

1479
01:14:15,279 --> 01:14:17,880
different perspectives to make it as as accurate as possible.

1480
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think that there's enough interesting stuff and

1481
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:28,319
enough interesting people that you could you could definitely do

1482
01:14:28,359 --> 01:14:33,279
one without being so centered on on Jeff Jarrett. I

1483
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,039
Jeff Jarrett's actually like one of my earliest memories of wrestling,

1484
01:14:38,079 --> 01:14:41,520
because I'll never forget when he broke the guitar over

1485
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,239
Caine's head and Kane just stood there and then they

1486
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:49,560
haven't ever ran away. That's like a wrestling memory, that's

1487
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:54,279
like the very first little memory that I just remember forever.

1488
01:14:54,359 --> 01:14:55,840
I guess for some reason.

1489
01:14:56,119 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 3: It's double J two even like back in like WCW.

1490
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:02,239
You know, he'd call it his name kind of deal.

1491
01:15:02,279 --> 01:15:03,840
I remember that vaguely as well.

1492
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:08,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, and then I also remember like the nWo

1493
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,239
Silver and Black run also it was a wild time

1494
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:16,960
with him and I guess Brett Hart briefly and Steiner.

1495
01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:19,720
I'm not sure who else was in that, but that

1496
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,920
was a wild incarnation of the nWo. I think the

1497
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,640
last one in WCW.

1498
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, yeah, I had memories of that as well.

1499
01:15:28,119 --> 01:15:32,520
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Speaker 2: So I saw a news story that Sammy Callahan had

1519
01:16:27,319 --> 01:16:28,680
signed with AW.

1520
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 3: I was going to bring that sack as well.

1521
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do you think that's I mean, that must

1522
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,920
be somewhat interesting as far as like he immediately is

1523
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:42,880
signed by AW right after he's let go or whatever

1524
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:43,720
from TNA.

1525
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 3: From what I understand, it's a trial run, so nothing

1526
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,600
set in stone. Yep, they're giving me an opportunity, and

1527
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,880
I'm for RI two. He's pretty close with John Moxley,

1528
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:53,920
so obviously Max is pretty strong, pold with Tony kind

1529
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,479
of the company. So yeah, that doesn't really surprise me. Yeah,

1530
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,560
I definitely like to see, you know, if that works out.

1531
01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:03,760
You know, you know, mixed opinions that on Callahan's run

1532
01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,119
in you know TNA. I think there was some good

1533
01:17:06,119 --> 01:17:09,119
and some bad, So not sure about his his booking mind,

1534
01:17:09,399 --> 01:17:14,199
I guess you'd say, but interesting to see where that

1535
01:17:14,199 --> 01:17:16,279
goes in the TENA ecosystem.

1536
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:24,199
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think he's pretty well liked by people

1537
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:28,560
in the backstage capacity, so I doubt he would be

1538
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,359
I mean, I'm not really sure, but I doubt he

1539
01:17:30,399 --> 01:17:35,079
would be solely responsible for booking anything in AW And

1540
01:17:35,239 --> 01:17:37,479
I guess they have the space and everything, so.

1541
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 3: I imagine who'll probably collaborate with Moxley in the Death Riders.

1542
01:17:41,319 --> 01:17:42,880
I had to guess.

1543
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it almost feels like it was some sort

1544
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:50,119
of I mean, whenever things something like this happens, like

1545
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:52,760
where somebody is let go and instantly signed, it makes

1546
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,920
me feel like there's some sort of story that we

1547
01:17:56,119 --> 01:17:59,720
don't have yet and that there's some sort of something

1548
01:18:00,119 --> 01:18:03,079
more to it basically, but you know, you never know.

1549
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know. It seems like I said,

1550
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:07,960
it's a trial run, so I don't know if he's

1551
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,479
like under official contract per se, or if he's getting

1552
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:13,159
like a her date appearance until he proves himself. I mean,

1553
01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:16,119
I don't know. How it's structured obviously, but it seemed like, yeah,

1554
01:18:16,119 --> 01:18:17,840
it's not that it's not definitive yet they're going to

1555
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:18,680
give himn opportunity.

1556
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:24,319
Speaker 2: So, uh, did you see that Matt Hardy had made

1557
01:18:24,359 --> 01:18:26,640
a case like that He put out a statement or

1558
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,239
I think it was an interview where he made a

1559
01:18:28,279 --> 01:18:31,279
case basically kind of like a recruitment pitch for Seamus

1560
01:18:31,319 --> 01:18:34,680
to join TNA. Did you see that?

1561
01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 3: I did not, But I could see I could see

1562
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:37,439
that working.

1563
01:18:38,399 --> 01:18:38,560
Speaker 2: Now.

1564
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,079
Speaker 3: Granted, Tena's got that problem where it's like I wouldn't

1565
01:18:42,079 --> 01:18:43,680
want k Famous to come in and then you install

1566
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,800
him at the top and you know, at the expensive

1567
01:18:46,039 --> 01:18:48,399
younger talent, But if you wanted to bring him in

1568
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,039
and like help put people over, I could definitely see

1569
01:18:51,039 --> 01:18:54,520
that working. And you know, obviously the ww and TNA

1570
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,079
have a cert relationship, but you know, he just kind

1571
01:18:57,079 --> 01:18:58,800
of turned down a w B contract, so I don't

1572
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,199
know how that's gonna work, you know, if there's any

1573
01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:03,960
animosity there. But I mean I could see that working.

1574
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:06,479
I would have no problem with that. But like I said,

1575
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,079
I don't want him going to the top of the

1576
01:19:08,079 --> 01:19:10,079
card at the expensive younger wrestlers either.

1577
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 2: So you wouldn't bring him in at the top even

1578
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:13,399
from the start.

1579
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,560
Speaker 3: No, no, I don't think he has that much cachet

1580
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,600
where it's worth it. I would probably bring him in

1581
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:22,520
and honestly look to put someone over obviously make him

1582
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,520
look strong, or if he wanted to build him up

1583
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:26,880
to the point that you know, like you know, have

1584
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,640
him interview with other older guys and then put him

1585
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,880
over like you know, Eddie Edwards, or just try to

1586
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,720
think of guys on that level, or like Kazarian and

1587
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,119
put him over and then use him to put over

1588
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:42,720
like a Ricky so Ser moustaff Ali or what have you.

1589
01:19:43,159 --> 01:19:44,880
I could see that working, but no, no, I wouldn't

1590
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,520
want to. He's like forty eight years old with with

1591
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,359
final synosis, I don't think you do you put the

1592
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:52,199
teenage World title on him? I think I think that

1593
01:19:52,279 --> 01:19:54,039
further incredibility of the title.

1594
01:19:54,399 --> 01:20:00,199
Speaker 2: Honestly, I would tend to agree, But honestly, if on

1595
01:20:00,279 --> 01:20:04,079
Nick Nimouth, I'm not saying Nick Nimmouth is bad, but honestly,

1596
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:07,119
like for a short run, I wouldn't hate Seamus coming

1597
01:20:07,159 --> 01:20:10,479
in and getting the DNA title, just just kind of

1598
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:11,800
as a boost maybe.

1599
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:13,239
Speaker 3: Comes in it takes it, if you want to say,

1600
01:20:13,239 --> 01:20:15,000
it comes in and takes it immediately off the myth

1601
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:17,960
and then you know, has a short run and they

1602
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:19,720
get it to a younger guy. Okay, I mean, yeah,

1603
01:20:20,079 --> 01:20:22,199
I'd be okay with that, I guess, but that's essentially

1604
01:20:22,279 --> 01:20:23,840
using him to put over a younger wrestlers, so I'd

1605
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:24,159
also be.

1606
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I mean, that's that's kind of above of

1607
01:20:27,039 --> 01:20:30,079
us getting what we want. Yeah. Yeah, I actually like

1608
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:32,920
the idea of him coming in and getting a strong

1609
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,279
run at the top, dethroning Nimuth, and then building up

1610
01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:39,279
somebody for him to put over before he eventually goes

1611
01:20:39,279 --> 01:20:42,880
somewhere else or but although you know, I think it's

1612
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:47,840
probably wishful thinking. Although he like in Harty's the article,

1613
01:20:48,119 --> 01:20:51,399
you know, he made some strong cases, like you know,

1614
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:57,239
it's a giant pond over there into an aw No.

1615
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,640
I mean, he's got good friends there, so it's like,

1616
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,119
I guess it doesn't really matter. I guess it depends

1617
01:21:03,119 --> 01:21:03,359
on what.

1618
01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 3: He's looking to do at this point in his career

1619
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,399
as well. Though maybe he just wants like one more

1620
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,680
room with with with Audio. Maybe he wants more more

1621
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,520
tag red with him or something. So I guess it

1622
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:13,920
depends on what. I don't think he's looking to be

1623
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:15,640
at the top of a card necessarily either. I don't

1624
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,560
think that's a requirement for him a career.

1625
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably wants to do the bar again. I mean,

1626
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:24,279
and honestly that's that's probably what I want to see selfishly,

1627
01:21:24,399 --> 01:21:28,399
But just to see some some extra juice and dna

1628
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:33,079
U for us personally, I would love even if it

1629
01:21:33,119 --> 01:21:35,600
was like just for the rest of the year, to

1630
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,760
shake it up. I would like to see it. But

1631
01:21:39,159 --> 01:21:42,000
I I I again, I don't. I don't really see

1632
01:21:42,039 --> 01:21:45,319
that happening, But I like I liked to see that

1633
01:21:45,399 --> 01:21:47,680
Matt Hardy was out there like trying to make the

1634
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,880
case about how you can come here and be the

1635
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:52,199
guy or although I mean, I don't know if I

1636
01:21:52,239 --> 01:21:54,760
like the way he said it. He basically said place

1637
01:21:55,279 --> 01:21:58,239
like that. Wait, I don't think he was applying that

1638
01:21:58,279 --> 01:22:01,000
you should come here and put people over, because obviously

1639
01:22:01,039 --> 01:22:02,960
the Hartings haven't been putting anybody over either.

1640
01:22:04,199 --> 01:22:06,399
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't want to turn into that that you know,

1641
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,840
Hal Cogan Booker t area of TNA two where it

1642
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,960
was just you know, old w B guys coming in

1643
01:22:13,279 --> 01:22:14,680
being shot at the top of the cart at the

1644
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,800
expense of you know, guys like Samoa, Joe aj Styles

1645
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,279
and you know Chris Daniels and you know people that

1646
01:22:20,319 --> 01:22:22,000
I mentioned earlier as well. So I don't want that

1647
01:22:22,039 --> 01:22:24,520
situation either, So there needs to be a balance.

1648
01:22:26,399 --> 01:22:31,399
Speaker 2: What if like a what about well, I mean, what

1649
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:34,760
about Nathan Fraser, Like if he became available, could you

1650
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,399
see him being a guy that you could send to

1651
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:38,399
the top and TNA.

1652
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's a guy position right absolutely. You know,

1653
01:22:42,079 --> 01:22:44,760
I think he might have gotten that opportunity ish at

1654
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,199
AW because I know he was doing stuff there before.

1655
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:49,359
I know his relationship with Seth Rollins, so that's ultimately

1656
01:22:49,399 --> 01:22:52,359
why he I think went the NXT route and actually

1657
01:22:52,399 --> 01:22:56,359
don't didn't even hate him in Praxium with Axiom is

1658
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,680
a team tag team. Actually think they're pretty decent. WW

1659
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,239
does a value tag wrestling, so you know that was

1660
01:23:02,279 --> 01:23:07,359
doomed to you know, from the beginning. So uh, yeah,

1661
01:23:07,359 --> 01:23:09,479
I could see him position correctly. I mean he's still

1662
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:12,159
relatively young too, and you know, he doesn't really have

1663
01:23:12,199 --> 01:23:13,880
a ton of stink on him because he hasn't really

1664
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,600
done that much outside the tag division in WWE, So

1665
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:18,680
if you come in and position him correctly, there's no

1666
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:20,560
reason he could be in a lovel of a Ricky Sosa.

1667
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'd like to see it. And it

1668
01:23:24,279 --> 01:23:27,439
kind of feels like that's one that could that's something

1669
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:28,479
we could see happening.

1670
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 3: Did he get released?

1671
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm sorry. I wasn't trying to imply that

1672
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,920
he had been released or anything. It's just like the

1673
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:38,159
way that he's been used, like I mean overall, but

1674
01:23:38,279 --> 01:23:41,119
especially kind of lately, it's it's had me kind of

1675
01:23:41,119 --> 01:23:45,439
wondering if that's coming. Yeah, but again, I know I

1676
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,079
haven't heard anything about that, but it just feels like

1677
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,359
they're kind of it feels like it could happen.

1678
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, definitely, And that's you know, with the with

1679
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:58,560
the way you know TKO operates, anyone could be released tomorrow,

1680
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,159
So anyone in the Mother could be released tomorrow. So

1681
01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:02,359
it's certainly a possibility.

1682
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed.

1683
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:07,119
Speaker 3: And then just to add a little bit too, so

1684
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,079
ask about Center and Sant earlier the team, so apparently

1685
01:24:10,119 --> 01:24:12,760
they asked for their release from the company. I didn't

1686
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,000
realize though, but their last match was was an unsuccessful

1687
01:24:15,039 --> 01:24:18,279
title challenge against the Hardy's on March sixth. It wasn't

1688
01:24:18,279 --> 01:24:21,079
even that long ago. But I don't really remember that

1689
01:24:21,079 --> 01:24:24,359
that predated our podcast, But I don't really remember that

1690
01:24:24,359 --> 01:24:24,920
that happening.

1691
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:27,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, actually when I looked them up, I saw

1692
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:29,800
that earlier today and I was like, wow, I did

1693
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,560
not I do not remember seeing them and seeing that match.

1694
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I must do. I must have done a

1695
01:24:35,319 --> 01:24:39,239
hit and missus on it, but I don't really really recall, so.

1696
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 2: And that and that must have been like right before

1697
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,760
the Hardy has lost the titles to the System.

1698
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,479
Speaker 3: Then, because yeah, because yeah, it wasn't that long ago.

1699
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 2: I mean interesting, Yeah, that's that is interesting. Yeah, I

1700
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,840
mean that was I think that does play into the

1701
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:58,960
fact that the System, like they didn't defend the tag titles,

1702
01:24:59,079 --> 01:25:01,880
yeah at all until the match where they lost him.

1703
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:03,399
Is I think that what happened.

1704
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like you said, like similar the women's

1705
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,039
tag titles, they were rarely defended because there's not as

1706
01:25:10,039 --> 01:25:11,439
we mentioned, there's not a lot of options. It's like

1707
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:13,199
you could have a lot of matches without burning that

1708
01:25:13,279 --> 01:25:13,880
burning it out.

1709
01:25:14,079 --> 01:25:19,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't like when they're like, yeah, they

1710
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,960
haven't defended the title. Here they are losing the title.

1711
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:24,000
I mean, I know you you have to do what

1712
01:25:24,039 --> 01:25:27,359
you gotta do, but that's I don't like that, and

1713
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:32,920
especially when it's happening in multiple places all around the card. Yeah.

1714
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,239
Speaker 3: And then I also saw to report that Steve Macklin

1715
01:25:35,279 --> 01:25:39,359
sent attentive contract with AW. I got to imagine that's

1716
01:25:39,399 --> 01:25:41,479
probably at the ROH level, just because that's where his

1717
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,800
wife currently Dana Brazo is, And honestly, that's where I

1718
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:46,920
kind of see Maclin positioned. I think we even mentioned

1719
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,960
that back when he was first released, but that's that's

1720
01:25:50,039 --> 01:25:51,319
kind of the rumor going on now, is that he's

1721
01:25:51,359 --> 01:25:54,159
signed attempted to deal, so we'll see where he slots in.

1722
01:25:55,319 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you definitely called that. I yeah, I don't see

1723
01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:02,439
more than the Ring of Honor, And honestly, I like

1724
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,119
kind of I think I could get behind his presence

1725
01:26:05,159 --> 01:26:08,760
and Ring of Honor. I don't watch that product very

1726
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:12,239
often at all, maybe the bigger specials, but I could

1727
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:14,199
see him fitting into that just being there for a

1728
01:26:14,199 --> 01:26:15,920
good matches. You don't you don't have to really rely

1729
01:26:16,039 --> 01:26:20,359
on him to be a huge personality, uh in that place.

1730
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,640
So definitely makes sense to me.

1731
01:26:23,159 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, and you know you could even pair him

1732
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,359
with his wife in that in that scenario, because I

1733
01:26:27,359 --> 01:26:31,960
don't think it's I don't think that's above that, that's

1734
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,119
that that environment. I think you could do that in

1735
01:26:35,119 --> 01:26:37,840
that type of environment, you could probably make that work.

1736
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,600
And usually that's kind of a healed type of thing.

1737
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,439
And I'm not even sure how process position in our way, honestly,

1738
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,479
I don't watch enough. But you turn HI into like

1739
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,560
a heal team there, So you.

1740
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,199
Speaker 2: Know, honestly, that might be the best case scenario for

1741
01:26:49,279 --> 01:26:53,079
Steve Macklin, Like I could. I could see that kind

1742
01:26:53,119 --> 01:26:56,119
of being an act that Mike could get over. Really,

1743
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:58,479
I mean, I might could even make it to collision.

1744
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,319
Speaker 3: Man, I don't know, No, yeah, probably, I mean, like

1745
01:27:01,359 --> 01:27:04,079
you said, if it gets over anything in touch, you know,

1746
01:27:04,279 --> 01:27:06,520
touch collision, maybe you know, you know, get us get

1747
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,079
a cup of copy on dynamite. So who knows?

1748
01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:12,319
Speaker 2: All right, man, Well, I think uh, I think that

1749
01:27:12,359 --> 01:27:15,359
will wrap up the free portion of the podcast. We'd

1750
01:27:15,359 --> 01:27:17,720
like to thank all the listeners out there for keeping

1751
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:18,279
up with us.

1752
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:23,199
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely no good diverse talk today. We touched a

1753
01:27:23,239 --> 01:27:26,039
lot of different areas that touch TNA and outside TNA,

1754
01:27:26,079 --> 01:27:28,560
but I think we kept the connective tissue, so it

1755
01:27:28,359 --> 01:27:29,359
was fun conversation.

1756
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 2: Absolutely well. Again, we appreciate you guys and we'll catch

1757
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:35,359
up with you next week.

1758
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Thanks Zach and thanks to everyone. Have a great

1759
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:39,399
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1760
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