WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What what's going to happen? 3 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:12.960 I think what. 4 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:36.840 A help I got j j Vance not the president, 5 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.719 and I got Julia cosmic peach with us and we 6 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:44.479 are continuing the Aldolfo Constanzo Part two. That was a 7 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:48.280 topic that Julia had brought to us, and we brought 8 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:50.679 JJ on figuring, you know, we can continue with it. 9 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:54.000 And again Julia has more of her you know, notes 10 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:57.200 and information that she was going to cover and Lisa 11 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:00.039 had had a bunch of stuff and notes prior and 12 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:01.920 and she added more. So now we kind of have 13 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:04.239 both their takes on this and what JJ has to 14 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:07.719 add as well. So thank you all for bringing all 15 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.480 your brains together tonight. This should be fun and exciting. 16 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:12.760 And then real quick we will go around the circle 17 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:16.599 and everybody can introduce themselves. Lisa real quick, let everybody 18 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:19.000 know what's up and how are you and anything. 19 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:19.239 You want to plug. 20 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:23.400 I am well, I'm very excited to part two with 21 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:27.079 Julie and JJ. They I think are some of the 22 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:29.719 best minds when it comes to true crime. They can 23 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:33.200 pivot anywhere and they have like this well of information. 24 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:37.560 So love, love love doing this stuff with them nothing 25 00:01:37.599 --> 00:01:40.480 to plug just Twitter, so lese Lisa on Twitter, but 26 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:43.599 definitely check out some of our contributors to a cult 27 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:46.680 research Institute dot org. And that's me. 28 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:51.040 Thank you very much, and JJ, what is up my man? 29 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:53.000 Let everybody know where they can find all your amazing work. 30 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:59.480 JJ, Vyance, host of Operations GCD, not the vice president, Yah. 31 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:02.640 I appreciate at the invite, Lisa, appreciate the kind words 32 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:04.719 and always great to join you for a conversation. 33 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:05.879 Julie. 34 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:09.919 I apologize I missed around one of this Adolph focusedans 35 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:12.400 of business because it's certainly interesting. Was on the I 36 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:13.960 was on the IR for that episode, but I was 37 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:14.759 definitely tuning in. 38 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:18.439 I'll never forgive you, but I'm so happy you're here 39 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:19.759 for part two. 40 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:24.080 Listen. Thank you very much, JJ. And and finally, last 41 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:26.840 but out least, a new edition of The Occult Rejects. 42 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:29.680 We got Julia cosmic Peach, what is up? Please let 43 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:31.919 everybody know what is up with you and where they 44 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:33.360 can find all your amazing content. 45 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:37.120 Thanks. You know, I'm actually excited that we took a 46 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:40.759 pause dur part one and two because we had that 47 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:46.159 guest on that talked about that vampire Priestess Lady, and 48 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.360 it's what was so similar to this one, wasn't it? Guys? 49 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:53.680 Like it was kind of like like a blueprint almost 50 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:58.000 for for the weird Adolpho stuff. So summing it up 51 00:02:58.039 --> 00:03:02.319 today should be interesting. But yeah, I'm in a cult 52 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:07.759 reject part time, cosmic peach full time, and if you 53 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:11.159 haven't found me yet, you never will. But I'm all 54 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:14.240 over the place wherever you listen to podcasts and once 55 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:17.080 a week on the Cult of Conspiracy every now and 56 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:19.960 again with Nick and the Occult Rejects. So I'm honored 57 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.159 to be here. I always love working with JJ and 58 00:03:22.199 --> 00:03:25.719 Lisa because we're the dream team. I feel. 59 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:30.560 I like that, I really do. Yeah, hell yeah and yeah. 60 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:33.159 For people who really don't know who Juliet is, I 61 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:34.719 will say too, like, go check out a show. A 62 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:36.520 lot of it is solo and it's well produced. He's 63 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:39.240 got music in the background. It's it's it's an impressive show. 64 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:42.240 Doing a show by yourself. JJ can even tell you 65 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:46.599 it's fucking hard. I can say it for myself. It 66 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:48.919 is not easy, believe it or not, doing a show 67 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:51.840 by yourself. So I get to go some credit. Go 68 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:54.719 check out the stuff. It's really good, So thank you, yes, 69 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:58.280 and uh yeah, take it away, Julia, Well. 70 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:00.879 Do you kind of remember where we left off last time? 71 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:03.120 I have it in my notes here that we talked 72 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:12.400 about how he was assumed dead because they found, uh, 73 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:17.079 two bodies that really couldn't be properly identified in that 74 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:21.199 apartment building, and then he was His corpse and his 75 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:25.800 boyfriend's corpse were flown back to Miami and immediately cremated, 76 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:31.279 so there was no future like autopsies or any type 77 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:35.439 of identification of the corpses. But they were later spotted 78 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:42.160 Adolpho and his boyfriend somewhere. It was in Mexico, but 79 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:45.240 there were several witnesses who said they saw them after 80 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:49.959 they had supposedly died. So in my opinion, uh, they 81 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:54.399 were definitely being protected from on high in some capacity 82 00:04:54.600 --> 00:05:04.040 because they knew a lot of officials like JJ could 83 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:06.000 probably tell you better than me, but he was involved 84 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:10.600 with cartels, but he was also involved with like government officials, 85 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:14.240 and so I don't think that they were necessarily done 86 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:19.240 with him. He was pretty useful, and I don't think 87 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.040 I think that they just needed the public to think 88 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:26.040 that they got the bad guy without really getting the 89 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:30.519 bad guy. But JJ was kind of talking about some 90 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:33.279 stuff before we started recording, and I think it would 91 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:37.000 kind of tie in nicely to this section of my 92 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:38.959 notes if you want to take it from here. 93 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:42.560 Sure, Now that's my thoughts exactly. 94 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:45.800 They're Julia the when I these details surrounding his death 95 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.079 are just as murky as the details surrounding this man's 96 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:49.199 origin story in birth. 97 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:52.480 But I think you're spot on. There was saying that 98 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:54.160 they weren't done with this guy yet. He was a 99 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:55.839 very effective operative. 100 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:59.399 Whoever was running them, So you know, in the know 101 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.600 we were just beforehand that some folks have kind of 102 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:05.279 run with some of these details that of this culton 103 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:07.720 doing some more research over the years, and there was 104 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:11.319 some college professor that wrote a series on medium dot 105 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:15.920 com called the Occultists El Padrino, and it's uh goes 106 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:18.439 over a lot of these additional kind of parapolitical details 107 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:22.600 you're laying out there are describing, including apparently the chief 108 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:26.600 of enter Poll was his friend or client has described 109 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:30.079 in varying capacities the chief of inter Poll for Mexico, 110 00:06:30.680 --> 00:06:35.680 and this fella apparently introduced Costanzo to one Mexican drug. 111 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:37.759 Cartel leader who would later meet his demise. 112 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:42.920 He after Costanzo infiltrated his organization, becoming like the chief Wizard, 113 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:47.920 if you will. And then after that guy dies, the 114 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:51.959 Hernandez cartel there where she infiltrates and Matta Moros, their leader, 115 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:55.000 just happens to die at right about the same time, 116 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.959 and then Castanzo somehow gets integrated into that network I'm 117 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.160 presumably by the same Interpol chief who would later then 118 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:04.680 commit suicide apparently at the same time. 119 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:10.800 Suicide exactly the back of the head or something. 120 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:16.240 Yeah, Oh my gosh. I don't know if you guys 121 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:19.079 had ever heard me talk about this guy named Henry Marshall, 122 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:23.920 but the way that he got suicided, oh my god, dude, 123 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:28.160 it was. It was uh Lyndon B. Johnson, and he 124 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:30.800 hired this hit man to take this guy out that 125 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:35.519 committed suicide, and he he blasted himself in the chest 126 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:38.839 five times with his shotgun, and just for good measure, 127 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:42.439 he also put a chloroform rag over his face and 128 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.160 he was ruled a suicide. How the fuck do you 129 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:50.160 put a chloroform rag over your face load and blast 130 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:54.920 a shotgun into your chest five separate times and still 131 00:07:54.959 --> 00:07:58.120 it's suicide. I think, like after the first two shots 132 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:02.079 in the chest, blasting yourself in the chest. I mean, 133 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:05.920 it's just like it's like JJ saying, the the higher 134 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.439 up you go, the more political it is, the more 135 00:08:08.519 --> 00:08:13.160 ridiculous of suicides are. And uh, I don't know. It's 136 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:15.519 just how do you blast yourself in the chest five 137 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.160 times with a shotgun? Dude? Suicide? 138 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:19.839 I mean, don't call me a detective, but I think 139 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:22.920 if chloroform kind of pops up, I would start to 140 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:25.800 think it wasn't a suicide. 141 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:33.120 And yeah, blow your chest out five times in the process. 142 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:35.840 Yeah, I'm knocking myself out, but still pulling the trigger 143 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:37.799 for five times. 144 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.320 Talk about an extra hand. He would need an extra hand, 145 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:45.919 I think. 146 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:46.440 And wouldn't it be like how do you It's like 147 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:48.399 Kurt Cobain. They said he would have had to pull 148 00:08:48.440 --> 00:08:51.279 the shotgun with his foot, and he had a shoe on, 149 00:08:51.440 --> 00:08:54.279 so it's like, how did he It's just always it 150 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:59.000 never makes sense that somebody obviously was standing far away 151 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:03.480 too because of like the blowout, his chest like literally exploded. 152 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:07.679 So I mean, come on, guys, anyway, Sorry to interrupt you, JJ, 153 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:10.080 It's just when I hear suicide. That's a fun I 154 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:14.480 think of as like, yeah, okay, you're good. 155 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:16.799 Now you're good, Julian, No, I mean you're It is 156 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:19.080 these politics that weigh in on these these uh, these 157 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:22.440 death investigations that make these ridiculous declarations. 158 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.879 They're right, oh, one hundred one hundred one of the 159 00:09:27.320 --> 00:09:31.360 you talked about the inter Bowl guy, so apparently yes, 160 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:34.919 like he it was it was around I believe. 161 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:38.679 September of nineteen eighty eight when his name was Florentino 162 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:42.639 Ventura with theaters maybe I think that was his law name, 163 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:48.039 and he supposedly commits suicide, but they had alleged to that. 164 00:09:48.360 --> 00:09:52.399 Constanzo at this point is like doing all these scams. 165 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:54.759 Not only was he scamming a whole bunch of people 166 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:59.320 prior to being introduced to the Gosada family out of Wallajada, 167 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:02.519 but but he like now finds a new victim, which 168 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:06.159 is the Ernandez family, and he's running scams on them. 169 00:10:06.159 --> 00:10:08.080 And some of the scams that he's running on the 170 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:11.840 Ernandez's family is just so over the top that you 171 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:15.559 almost wonder that he had to if at any point 172 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:18.559 Ventura had to be like I'm out, like I'm out 173 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:22.440 of this, like this is, and so if that's the case, 174 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:25.879 but one the other thing is that he also had 175 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:29.799 killed his wife and his supposed friend Ventura did in 176 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:33.000 Mexico City. So it seemed like there were two chapters 177 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:36.200 right of this cult that one was in Mexico City 178 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:38.840 and then the other one was in Matamoros, which are 179 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:43.240 you know, many many hours away from each other. And 180 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:46.639 he was always going back and forth, which I thought 181 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:49.159 was very interesting that he would, you know, do whatever 182 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:51.559 he was doing and then go back down to Mexico 183 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:53.559 City because Mexico City, I think was his own base. 184 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:57.320 And like what you had said with Costanza, he was 185 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.720 he was born in Miami, and so I think some 186 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:02.600 circles say that he was born in Cuba and he 187 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:06.120 was brought in, but I don't. I don't have any 188 00:11:06.120 --> 00:11:08.720 credence to that. But his mom was like only fifteen 189 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:11.240 years old when she had him, so you almost kind 190 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:14.679 of wonder if this was like a prostitution thing or what. 191 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:17.240 But she gives birth to him in Miami and then 192 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:21.279 she goes on to give birth to other brother or children. 193 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:25.080 They're siblings of Castanza, and they all have different fathers, 194 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:29.120 so it's like three different fathers she You're almost just like, 195 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:33.080 oh wow, that's interesting. And then this is at a 196 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.840 time in the sixties when you know, conservativism is at 197 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:39.240 his high, you know, very Catholic area of Miami, right 198 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:42.919 you're having a whole bunch of influxes from the Caribbean. 199 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:45.639 But then you're having all these other type of influxes 200 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:49.279 of religion with Santaria who do who do you have 201 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:53.360 follow which is what we'll talk about today. But the 202 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:56.120 other thing is that she goes, and I think we 203 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:58.519 covered this in the previous one. She goes and gets 204 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:04.120 him baptized by a priest in by the Mayombe, and immediately, 205 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:06.039 you know, they prop him up as this you know, 206 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:09.440 he's the chosen one. And then I think she runs 207 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.159 into I guess problems a husband or something. And then 208 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.279 they moved to Puerto Rico or what have you. And 209 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:20.000 so in Puerto Rico she signs him up to have 210 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:25.720 like magical instruction by some of the priestesses. They're in 211 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:30.960 Puerto Rico, and so I mean that's kind of the 212 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:34.320 height of somebody at that point was you know, during 213 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:37.120 that time. So it's interesting. And then they come back 214 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:41.320 and he's you know, ready he's he's gonna, you know whatever, 215 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:45.480 and she was. Apparently his mom was practicing a lot 216 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:49.240 of black magic. Every place that they lived was always 217 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.120 tainted in blood or had a bunch of animal carcasses 218 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:55.559 lying around. If she got into a tift with like 219 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:58.320 a neighbor, she would give them just so you know, 220 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.840 benevolent of her, like moire carcasses like goats and chickens 221 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:04.879 without a head on their front doorstep, just such a 222 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:06.679 you know, like good neighbor. 223 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.840 I wonder where your fucking apartment smelled, Like. 224 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:11.240 Oh, I'm sure it was not me. 225 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:15.759 God, So did the brothers boil people and do all 226 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:19.559 this shit too? Or it's just a dolpho? I don't know, 227 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:21.960 And the mom's clearly unhid. 228 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:24.519 What happened, right, that's pretty interesting. 229 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:28.320 Yeah, what happened to the brothers? Maybe they maybe she 230 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:32.080 chopped them up Dahmer's style and fed them to the neighbors, 231 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:35.440 because it really it seemed like the only one she 232 00:13:35.559 --> 00:13:38.080 was really interested in was a dolpho, like that was 233 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:39.639 her golden child. 234 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:42.000 That's Hispanic mothers for you. I don't know if that's 235 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:45.039 true of all other mothers, but Hispanic mothers, their firstborn 236 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:49.679 firstborn son. To correct myself on that is like they're shining, 237 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:54.159 you know, beacon of the family. So maybe that that 238 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:58.600 probably played into that as well. So you know, he 239 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:01.320 not to recap just to kind of go back over it. 240 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:04.480 So they go back to Miami. He's cruising the gay bars. 241 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:08.360 He's also practicing. He's taken in with this priest that 242 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:12.080 had baptized him, and the priest is teaching him how 243 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:16.240 to grave rob for body parts to start, you know, 244 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:18.879 like his cauldron or like his type of practice and 245 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.039 showing him how to do it and how to do 246 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.600 you know, the different types of rituals or what have you. 247 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:28.480 And then somewhere I think in like his late twenties, no, sorry, 248 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:32.159 early twenties, he leaves to Mexico City for a modeling gig, 249 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:35.720 but he's spending a lot of time in like infamous 250 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:39.440 prostitution houses there in Mexico City, and he starts doing 251 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:42.120 the whole time being and what have you, and apparently 252 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:47.240 like his magical reputation gains him notoriety and popularity among 253 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:50.480 people that he starts building up a client tele and 254 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:53.440 at some point he has a ledger of like all 255 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.480 the clients he had what they were asking for, how 256 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:59.120 much he was charging, how much they had paid already. 257 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:01.559 I think I told Nick there was like thirty one 258 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.279 high pain like VIP type clients and that some of 259 00:15:05.320 --> 00:15:08.960 them had paid like forty thousand dollars for some types 260 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:13.279 of magical services. So I mean, it's almost interesting. And 261 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:15.279 some of these people were, like Jaj said, law and 262 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:18.720 high ranking law enforcement. A lot of them were heads 263 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:22.840 of cartels, and so you almost wonder when he gets 264 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:27.320 in with the Golsava family. You almost wonder because right 265 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:29.840 at the time, you had that Gonzala family, and you 266 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:32.720 have that on this family. You're starting this is like 267 00:15:32.759 --> 00:15:35.919 in the eighties. You're starting to hear the rumblings of 268 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:39.679 the US wanting to go back into Mexico and re 269 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.799 establish that whole drug market. And you have the influence 270 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:47.039 of Lazettas towards the middle or end of the eighties. 271 00:15:47.279 --> 00:15:50.639 So that's right prime they're gaining intel about all the 272 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:53.679 cartels going on in Mexico and what have you. So 273 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:56.240 I mean, I don't know, that's kind of my theory 274 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:56.519 on that. 275 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:00.240 Do you think that they were helping him though, Oh, 276 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:03.600 because a lot of them thought that he was magical 277 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:08.120 and it's almost like whatever they were asking for, he 278 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:12.399 had help and like fulfilling their desires, right. 279 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:15.720 Right, So he ran a lot of scams from what 280 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:20.000 it seemed, so like, let me think how to how 281 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:23.519 to briefly say all this. So he he's running a 282 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:25.759 lot of schemes or running a lot of scams, and 283 00:16:25.759 --> 00:16:29.720 you don't really start to see the scams until the 284 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:36.080 Golsada family and they start staging. He starts telling them 285 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:40.159 that he can provide protection for them to be invisible 286 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:44.519 or bulletproof or what have you. Right, But somehow none 287 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:47.320 of the charges ever stick on these you know, people 288 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:50.919 that get arrested or what have you. And then during 289 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:54.120 this time, you're also getting you know, the war on 290 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:58.120 drugs up north, and what Mexico did as part of 291 00:16:58.120 --> 00:16:59.879 the war on drugs is that they would go to 292 00:16:59.879 --> 00:17:04.680 the border and they would sweep for Rando's type drug 293 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:08.160 smugglers and anyone that was part of the main families 294 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:13.880 of the drug cartels, like remained unscathed. They were crossing uninhibited. 295 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:16.480 So it's almost like they were taking out the competition 296 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:21.119 for the prominent drug families in Mexico. So you almost 297 00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:24.200 wonder if like working in tandem, you know what I mean. 298 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:28.799 Yeah, he's such a so I guess this would be 299 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:30.880 a good time to bring this up because it's my 300 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.799 next little part of my notes. But he kind of 301 00:17:34.839 --> 00:17:40.160 like opened up a can of worms because after he 302 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:43.440 went it went public about what they found out there 303 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:50.920 at the ranch, they started all these separate investigations into 304 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:59.200 other cults and ranches in the area because everybody was 305 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:03.839 highly dis disturbed obviously because of what they found. I'm 306 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:09.680 talking mutilated bodies, you know, cauldrons full of bones and 307 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:18.559 stuff like this, and the police started investigating families who 308 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:24.200 were connected with Adolpho in some way or who were 309 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.880 kind of like followers of his, but didn't actually commit 310 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:31.359 any of the crimes. Because if you don't, if you 311 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:35.839 don't have like evidence tying people to the crimes directly, 312 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:38.480 they're not going to go to jail, but you can 313 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:41.079 still kind of like question them and like see what 314 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.039 he was up to. And it reminds me kind of 315 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:46.960 like with with Charles Manson, because you would have thought 316 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:49.839 they would have arrested everybody who lived on spawn ranch, 317 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:53.839 but they didn't. You know, there were only certain family 318 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:58.279 members that actually got arrested and actually got charged. 319 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:02.240 So yeah, that's a good point. That's a good if. 320 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:06.400 I'm sorry, list Ah, I was just say if I 321 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:09.480 may give you a we'll follow up on that Manson comment. 322 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:11.480 I was thinking the same thing there, Julia, and it 323 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:13.920 is it is interesting who they don't arrest. And when 324 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:16.079 you were commenting on they follow some of the cult 325 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:17.720 members around to see what, you know, see what they're 326 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:17.960 up to. 327 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:19.960 I wonder if that was just to see. 328 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:23.119 What they knew because from the from the blackmail opos, 329 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:25.079 this guy was running in some sort of male processing. 330 00:19:25.200 --> 00:19:28.160 That sounds like, uh, whatever his relations with was the 331 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.119 up with the upper rushland of the drug trade there 332 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:32.759 in Mexico. It sounds like he was an operator for. 333 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:37.640 Somebody, right, But it's like Charles Manson like taking him 334 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:41.359 him and like a few other people, and they go 335 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:44.920 to jail or they're dead right, they get taken care 336 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:49.079 of it, and then there's like swaths of followers that 337 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:52.079 nothing happens to, you know, they just get to go 338 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:54.759 about and live the rest of their life. But Lisa, 339 00:19:54.759 --> 00:19:56.359 what what what were you going to say? 340 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:59.839 So then at the height of it, they said there 341 00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:02.440 was like a total between ten to fifteen members in 342 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:05.039 the cult, yet they only arrested three there. 343 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:07.039 See, that's what I'm talking about, and that's it. 344 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:11.160 Others claim that they died or they had defected or 345 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:13.680 what have you. But when you look at the property 346 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:19.599 where the shrine, their ritual shrine was in Montemodos, the 347 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:23.839 owner was the grandfather of the Ernandez cartel. He no 348 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:28.039 charges ever came against him, But why not, dude? Right, 349 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:34.559 yet he was performing magical ritual ceremony services for the family, 350 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:41.079 So surely they're they're pain right, They're they're in on it, hey. 351 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:43.680 And it's it's like saying, uh, you know, I get 352 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:47.440 it to an extent. If you were renting somebody an 353 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:51.319 apartment and Jeffrey Dahmer happened to live in that apartment, 354 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:53.559 why does the landlord go to jail. It's not like 355 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:55.599 he had anything to do with it. But in this 356 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:59.400 case it's different because he is connected like this guy 357 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:02.599 the Hernande and this guy is connected to Adolpho and 358 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:06.920 definitely probably was taking some type of part in what 359 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:08.359 they were doing out there. 360 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:11.559 Absolutely because so to kind of get into a little 361 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:15.160 bit of the magical services that he was providing. So 362 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:21.519 in what I read, the Apollo religion is that you 363 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:27.119 basically would sacrifice a victim and you would have to 364 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:31.480 torture it. You would have to torture them to the 365 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:34.599 point of screaming, because the more that they scream, more 366 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:38.559 the torture, the more the better the sacrifice. And then 367 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:41.960 the soul will be captured by the cauldron that he's creating. 368 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:45.440 And then in the cauldron that's where you place the 369 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:48.799 innerds or the viscera or whatever and has like stix 370 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:50.720 coming out of it, and it su has to like 371 00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:55.119 work like a like a tuning thing, tuning into the 372 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:59.519 actual spirit world, and you are able to harness these 373 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:03.400 I guess, tortured souls to do your bidding. Right, So 374 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:06.160 the more the torture, the better. But yet most of 375 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:10.039 these people supposedly were strangers that they that they killed. 376 00:22:11.000 --> 00:22:15.920 But the families are paying for the service. So essentially 377 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:20.440 they're pain for the death of a human sacrifice, right, 378 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:24.160 They're paying for a human sacrifice for the magical service 379 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:28.279 to be rendered, I would think, and. 380 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:31.839 So probably specific individuals. 381 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:32.000 I think. 382 00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:32.160 So. 383 00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:36.640 I think. So now, of course nobody gets into that 384 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:39.720 part except I mean, you have the attention of the 385 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:44.000 kill roys. But I do think that is the case. 386 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:47.839 I do think these were targeted for sure. When you 387 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:52.559 look at like with the Glasada family, they're at a 388 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:56.559 while Lahata. I mean, what was that family targeted? It 389 00:22:56.640 --> 00:22:59.799 says in the book that it's because he asked to 390 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:04.400 go in. He wanted full partnership with a Calsada prophet. 391 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:07.039 He's he was saying, look, the only reason you've become 392 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:10.480 successful is because I'm doing all these magic rituals providing 393 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:14.119 your protection. I should get a cut of this. They 394 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:19.279 said no, and immediately somehow they disappear, right, so now. 395 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:25.839 You havently it just I mean a lot of the 396 00:23:25.880 --> 00:23:28.519 bodies that they found when they started digging them up. 397 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.599 I think I talked about it in the last episode, 398 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:38.119 but it was like former uh CIA agents, former let 399 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:40.000 me see if I can find it. It just it 400 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:42.640 was there's no way it was an accident. 401 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:47.119