Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: I think what.
Speaker 2: A help I got j j Vance not the president,
Speaker 2: and I got Julia cosmic peach with us and we
Speaker 2: are continuing the Aldolfo Constanzo Part two. That was a
Speaker 2: topic that Julia had brought to us, and we brought
Speaker 2: JJ on figuring, you know, we can continue with it.
Speaker 2: And again Julia has more of her you know, notes
Speaker 2: and information that she was going to cover and Lisa
Speaker 2: had had a bunch of stuff and notes prior and
Speaker 2: and she added more. So now we kind of have
Speaker 2: both their takes on this and what JJ has to
Speaker 2: add as well. So thank you all for bringing all
Speaker 2: your brains together tonight. This should be fun and exciting.
Speaker 2: And then real quick we will go around the circle
Speaker 2: and everybody can introduce themselves. Lisa real quick, let everybody
Speaker 2: know what's up and how are you and anything.
Speaker 1: You want to plug.
Speaker 3: I am well, I'm very excited to part two with
Speaker 3: Julie and JJ. They I think are some of the
Speaker 3: best minds when it comes to true crime. They can
Speaker 3: pivot anywhere and they have like this well of information.
Speaker 3: So love, love love doing this stuff with them nothing
Speaker 3: to plug just Twitter, so lese Lisa on Twitter, but
Speaker 3: definitely check out some of our contributors to a cult
Speaker 3: research Institute dot org. And that's me.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, and JJ, what is up my man?
Speaker 2: Let everybody know where they can find all your amazing work.
Speaker 4: JJ, Vyance, host of Operations GCD, not the vice president, Yah.
Speaker 4: I appreciate at the invite, Lisa, appreciate the kind words
Speaker 4: and always great to join you for a conversation.
Speaker 1: Julie.
Speaker 4: I apologize I missed around one of this Adolph focusedans
Speaker 4: of business because it's certainly interesting. Was on the I
Speaker 4: was on the IR for that episode, but I was
Speaker 4: definitely tuning in.
Speaker 5: I'll never forgive you, but I'm so happy you're here
Speaker 5: for part two.
Speaker 2: Listen. Thank you very much, JJ. And and finally, last
Speaker 2: but out least, a new edition of The Occult Rejects.
Speaker 2: We got Julia cosmic Peach, what is up? Please let
Speaker 2: everybody know what is up with you and where they
Speaker 2: can find all your amazing content.
Speaker 5: Thanks. You know, I'm actually excited that we took a
Speaker 5: pause dur part one and two because we had that
Speaker 5: guest on that talked about that vampire Priestess Lady, and
Speaker 5: it's what was so similar to this one, wasn't it? Guys?
Speaker 5: Like it was kind of like like a blueprint almost
Speaker 5: for for the weird Adolpho stuff. So summing it up
Speaker 5: today should be interesting. But yeah, I'm in a cult
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Speaker 5: haven't found me yet, you never will. But I'm all
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Speaker 5: again with Nick and the Occult Rejects. So I'm honored
Speaker 5: to be here. I always love working with JJ and
Speaker 5: Lisa because we're the dream team. I feel.
Speaker 2: I like that, I really do. Yeah, hell yeah and yeah.
Speaker 2: For people who really don't know who Juliet is, I
Speaker 2: will say too, like, go check out a show. A
Speaker 2: lot of it is solo and it's well produced. He's
Speaker 2: got music in the background. It's it's it's an impressive show.
Speaker 2: Doing a show by yourself. JJ can even tell you
Speaker 2: it's fucking hard. I can say it for myself. It
Speaker 2: is not easy, believe it or not, doing a show
Speaker 2: by yourself. So I get to go some credit. Go
Speaker 2: check out the stuff. It's really good, So thank you, yes,
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, take it away, Julia, Well.
Speaker 5: Do you kind of remember where we left off last time?
Speaker 5: I have it in my notes here that we talked
Speaker 5: about how he was assumed dead because they found, uh,
Speaker 5: two bodies that really couldn't be properly identified in that
Speaker 5: apartment building, and then he was His corpse and his
Speaker 5: boyfriend's corpse were flown back to Miami and immediately cremated,
Speaker 5: so there was no future like autopsies or any type
Speaker 5: of identification of the corpses. But they were later spotted
Speaker 5: Adolpho and his boyfriend somewhere. It was in Mexico, but
Speaker 5: there were several witnesses who said they saw them after
Speaker 5: they had supposedly died. So in my opinion, uh, they
Speaker 5: were definitely being protected from on high in some capacity
Speaker 5: because they knew a lot of officials like JJ could
Speaker 5: probably tell you better than me, but he was involved
Speaker 5: with cartels, but he was also involved with like government officials,
Speaker 5: and so I don't think that they were necessarily done
Speaker 5: with him. He was pretty useful, and I don't think
Speaker 5: I think that they just needed the public to think
Speaker 5: that they got the bad guy without really getting the
Speaker 5: bad guy. But JJ was kind of talking about some
Speaker 5: stuff before we started recording, and I think it would
Speaker 5: kind of tie in nicely to this section of my
Speaker 5: notes if you want to take it from here.
Speaker 1: Sure, Now that's my thoughts exactly.
Speaker 4: They're Julia the when I these details surrounding his death
Speaker 4: are just as murky as the details surrounding this man's
Speaker 4: origin story in birth.
Speaker 1: But I think you're spot on. There was saying that
Speaker 1: they weren't done with this guy yet. He was a
Speaker 1: very effective operative.
Speaker 4: Whoever was running them, So you know, in the know
Speaker 4: we were just beforehand that some folks have kind of
Speaker 4: run with some of these details that of this culton
Speaker 4: doing some more research over the years, and there was
Speaker 4: some college professor that wrote a series on medium dot
Speaker 4: com called the Occultists El Padrino, and it's uh goes
Speaker 4: over a lot of these additional kind of parapolitical details
Speaker 4: you're laying out there are describing, including apparently the chief
Speaker 4: of enter Poll was his friend or client has described
Speaker 4: in varying capacities the chief of inter Poll for Mexico,
Speaker 4: and this fella apparently introduced Costanzo to one Mexican drug.
Speaker 1: Cartel leader who would later meet his demise.
Speaker 4: He after Costanzo infiltrated his organization, becoming like the chief Wizard,
Speaker 4: if you will. And then after that guy dies, the
Speaker 4: Hernandez cartel there where she infiltrates and Matta Moros, their leader,
Speaker 4: just happens to die at right about the same time,
Speaker 4: and then Castanzo somehow gets integrated into that network I'm
Speaker 4: presumably by the same Interpol chief who would later then
Speaker 4: commit suicide apparently at the same time.
Speaker 2: Suicide exactly the back of the head or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Oh my gosh. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 5: had ever heard me talk about this guy named Henry Marshall,
Speaker 5: but the way that he got suicided, oh my god, dude,
Speaker 5: it was. It was uh Lyndon B. Johnson, and he
Speaker 5: hired this hit man to take this guy out that
Speaker 5: committed suicide, and he he blasted himself in the chest
Speaker 5: five times with his shotgun, and just for good measure,
Speaker 5: he also put a chloroform rag over his face and
Speaker 5: he was ruled a suicide. How the fuck do you
Speaker 5: put a chloroform rag over your face load and blast
Speaker 5: a shotgun into your chest five separate times and still
Speaker 5: it's suicide. I think, like after the first two shots
Speaker 5: in the chest, blasting yourself in the chest. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's just like it's like JJ saying, the the higher
Speaker 5: up you go, the more political it is, the more
Speaker 5: ridiculous of suicides are. And uh, I don't know. It's
Speaker 5: just how do you blast yourself in the chest five
Speaker 5: times with a shotgun? Dude? Suicide?
Speaker 2: I mean, don't call me a detective, but I think
Speaker 2: if chloroform kind of pops up, I would start to
Speaker 2: think it wasn't a suicide.
Speaker 5: And yeah, blow your chest out five times in the process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm knocking myself out, but still pulling the trigger
Speaker 2: for five times.
Speaker 3: Talk about an extra hand. He would need an extra hand,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: And wouldn't it be like how do you It's like
Speaker 5: Kurt Cobain. They said he would have had to pull
Speaker 5: the shotgun with his foot, and he had a shoe on,
Speaker 5: so it's like, how did he It's just always it
Speaker 5: never makes sense that somebody obviously was standing far away
Speaker 5: too because of like the blowout, his chest like literally exploded.
Speaker 5: So I mean, come on, guys, anyway, Sorry to interrupt you, JJ,
Speaker 5: It's just when I hear suicide. That's a fun I
Speaker 5: think of as like, yeah, okay, you're good.
Speaker 4: Now you're good, Julian, No, I mean you're It is
Speaker 4: these politics that weigh in on these these uh, these
Speaker 4: death investigations that make these ridiculous declarations.
Speaker 6: They're right, oh, one hundred one hundred one of the
Speaker 6: you talked about the inter Bowl guy, so apparently yes,
Speaker 6: like he it was it was around I believe.
Speaker 3: September of nineteen eighty eight when his name was Florentino
Speaker 3: Ventura with theaters maybe I think that was his law name,
Speaker 3: and he supposedly commits suicide, but they had alleged to that.
Speaker 3: Constanzo at this point is like doing all these scams.
Speaker 3: Not only was he scamming a whole bunch of people
Speaker 3: prior to being introduced to the Gosada family out of Wallajada,
Speaker 3: but but he like now finds a new victim, which
Speaker 3: is the Ernandez family, and he's running scams on them.
Speaker 3: And some of the scams that he's running on the
Speaker 3: Ernandez's family is just so over the top that you
Speaker 3: almost wonder that he had to if at any point
Speaker 3: Ventura had to be like I'm out, like I'm out
Speaker 3: of this, like this is, and so if that's the case,
Speaker 3: but one the other thing is that he also had
Speaker 3: killed his wife and his supposed friend Ventura did in
Speaker 3: Mexico City. So it seemed like there were two chapters
Speaker 3: right of this cult that one was in Mexico City
Speaker 3: and then the other one was in Matamoros, which are
Speaker 3: you know, many many hours away from each other. And
Speaker 3: he was always going back and forth, which I thought
Speaker 3: was very interesting that he would, you know, do whatever
Speaker 3: he was doing and then go back down to Mexico
Speaker 3: City because Mexico City, I think was his own base.
Speaker 3: And like what you had said with Costanza, he was
Speaker 3: he was born in Miami, and so I think some
Speaker 3: circles say that he was born in Cuba and he
Speaker 3: was brought in, but I don't. I don't have any
Speaker 3: credence to that. But his mom was like only fifteen
Speaker 3: years old when she had him, so you almost kind
Speaker 3: of wonder if this was like a prostitution thing or what.
Speaker 3: But she gives birth to him in Miami and then
Speaker 3: she goes on to give birth to other brother or children.
Speaker 3: They're siblings of Castanza, and they all have different fathers,
Speaker 3: so it's like three different fathers she You're almost just like,
Speaker 3: oh wow, that's interesting. And then this is at a
Speaker 3: time in the sixties when you know, conservativism is at
Speaker 3: his high, you know, very Catholic area of Miami, right
Speaker 3: you're having a whole bunch of influxes from the Caribbean.
Speaker 3: But then you're having all these other type of influxes
Speaker 3: of religion with Santaria who do who do you have
Speaker 3: follow which is what we'll talk about today. But the
Speaker 3: other thing is that she goes, and I think we
Speaker 3: covered this in the previous one. She goes and gets
Speaker 3: him baptized by a priest in by the Mayombe, and immediately,
Speaker 3: you know, they prop him up as this you know,
Speaker 3: he's the chosen one. And then I think she runs
Speaker 3: into I guess problems a husband or something. And then
Speaker 3: they moved to Puerto Rico or what have you. And
Speaker 3: so in Puerto Rico she signs him up to have
Speaker 3: like magical instruction by some of the priestesses. They're in
Speaker 3: Puerto Rico, and so I mean that's kind of the
Speaker 3: height of somebody at that point was you know, during
Speaker 3: that time. So it's interesting. And then they come back
Speaker 3: and he's you know, ready he's he's gonna, you know whatever,
Speaker 3: and she was. Apparently his mom was practicing a lot
Speaker 3: of black magic. Every place that they lived was always
Speaker 3: tainted in blood or had a bunch of animal carcasses
Speaker 3: lying around. If she got into a tift with like
Speaker 3: a neighbor, she would give them just so you know,
Speaker 3: benevolent of her, like moire carcasses like goats and chickens
Speaker 3: without a head on their front doorstep, just such a
Speaker 3: you know, like good neighbor.
Speaker 5: I wonder where your fucking apartment smelled, Like.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure it was not me.
Speaker 5: God, So did the brothers boil people and do all
Speaker 5: this shit too? Or it's just a dolpho? I don't know,
Speaker 5: And the mom's clearly unhid.
Speaker 2: What happened, right, that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what happened to the brothers? Maybe they maybe she
Speaker 5: chopped them up Dahmer's style and fed them to the neighbors,
Speaker 5: because it really it seemed like the only one she
Speaker 5: was really interested in was a dolpho, like that was
Speaker 5: her golden child.
Speaker 3: That's Hispanic mothers for you. I don't know if that's
Speaker 3: true of all other mothers, but Hispanic mothers, their firstborn
Speaker 3: firstborn son. To correct myself on that is like they're shining,
Speaker 3: you know, beacon of the family. So maybe that that
Speaker 3: probably played into that as well. So you know, he
Speaker 3: not to recap just to kind of go back over it.
Speaker 3: So they go back to Miami. He's cruising the gay bars.
Speaker 3: He's also practicing. He's taken in with this priest that
Speaker 3: had baptized him, and the priest is teaching him how
Speaker 3: to grave rob for body parts to start, you know,
Speaker 3: like his cauldron or like his type of practice and
Speaker 3: showing him how to do it and how to do
Speaker 3: you know, the different types of rituals or what have you.
Speaker 3: And then somewhere I think in like his late twenties, no, sorry,
Speaker 3: early twenties, he leaves to Mexico City for a modeling gig,
Speaker 3: but he's spending a lot of time in like infamous
Speaker 3: prostitution houses there in Mexico City, and he starts doing
Speaker 3: the whole time being and what have you, and apparently
Speaker 3: like his magical reputation gains him notoriety and popularity among
Speaker 3: people that he starts building up a client tele and
Speaker 3: at some point he has a ledger of like all
Speaker 3: the clients he had what they were asking for, how
Speaker 3: much he was charging, how much they had paid already.
Speaker 3: I think I told Nick there was like thirty one
Speaker 3: high pain like VIP type clients and that some of
Speaker 3: them had paid like forty thousand dollars for some types
Speaker 3: of magical services. So I mean, it's almost interesting. And
Speaker 3: some of these people were, like Jaj said, law and
Speaker 3: high ranking law enforcement. A lot of them were heads
Speaker 3: of cartels, and so you almost wonder when he gets
Speaker 3: in with the Golsava family. You almost wonder because right
Speaker 3: at the time, you had that Gonzala family, and you
Speaker 3: have that on this family. You're starting this is like
Speaker 3: in the eighties. You're starting to hear the rumblings of
Speaker 3: the US wanting to go back into Mexico and re
Speaker 3: establish that whole drug market. And you have the influence
Speaker 3: of Lazettas towards the middle or end of the eighties.
Speaker 3: So that's right prime they're gaining intel about all the
Speaker 3: cartels going on in Mexico and what have you. So
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, that's kind of my theory
Speaker 3: on that.
Speaker 5: Do you think that they were helping him though, Oh,
Speaker 5: because a lot of them thought that he was magical
Speaker 5: and it's almost like whatever they were asking for, he
Speaker 5: had help and like fulfilling their desires, right.
Speaker 3: Right, So he ran a lot of scams from what
Speaker 3: it seemed, so like, let me think how to how
Speaker 3: to briefly say all this. So he he's running a
Speaker 3: lot of schemes or running a lot of scams, and
Speaker 3: you don't really start to see the scams until the
Speaker 3: Golsada family and they start staging. He starts telling them
Speaker 3: that he can provide protection for them to be invisible
Speaker 3: or bulletproof or what have you. Right, But somehow none
Speaker 3: of the charges ever stick on these you know, people
Speaker 3: that get arrested or what have you. And then during
Speaker 3: this time, you're also getting you know, the war on
Speaker 3: drugs up north, and what Mexico did as part of
Speaker 3: the war on drugs is that they would go to
Speaker 3: the border and they would sweep for Rando's type drug
Speaker 3: smugglers and anyone that was part of the main families
Speaker 3: of the drug cartels, like remained unscathed. They were crossing uninhibited.
Speaker 3: So it's almost like they were taking out the competition
Speaker 3: for the prominent drug families in Mexico. So you almost
Speaker 3: wonder if like working in tandem, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's such a so I guess this would be
Speaker 5: a good time to bring this up because it's my
Speaker 5: next little part of my notes. But he kind of
Speaker 5: like opened up a can of worms because after he
Speaker 5: went it went public about what they found out there
Speaker 5: at the ranch, they started all these separate investigations into
Speaker 5: other cults and ranches in the area because everybody was
Speaker 5: highly dis disturbed obviously because of what they found. I'm
Speaker 5: talking mutilated bodies, you know, cauldrons full of bones and
Speaker 5: stuff like this, and the police started investigating families who
Speaker 5: were connected with Adolpho in some way or who were
Speaker 5: kind of like followers of his, but didn't actually commit
Speaker 5: any of the crimes. Because if you don't, if you
Speaker 5: don't have like evidence tying people to the crimes directly,
Speaker 5: they're not going to go to jail, but you can
Speaker 5: still kind of like question them and like see what
Speaker 5: he was up to. And it reminds me kind of
Speaker 5: like with with Charles Manson, because you would have thought
Speaker 5: they would have arrested everybody who lived on spawn ranch,
Speaker 5: but they didn't. You know, there were only certain family
Speaker 5: members that actually got arrested and actually got charged.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a good point. That's a good if.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, list Ah, I was just say if I
Speaker 4: may give you a we'll follow up on that Manson comment.
Speaker 4: I was thinking the same thing there, Julia, and it
Speaker 4: is it is interesting who they don't arrest. And when
Speaker 4: you were commenting on they follow some of the cult
Speaker 4: members around to see what, you know, see what they're
Speaker 4: up to.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that was just to see.
Speaker 4: What they knew because from the from the blackmail opos,
Speaker 4: this guy was running in some sort of male processing.
Speaker 4: That sounds like, uh, whatever his relations with was the
Speaker 4: up with the upper rushland of the drug trade there
Speaker 4: in Mexico. It sounds like he was an operator for.
Speaker 5: Somebody, right, But it's like Charles Manson like taking him
Speaker 5: him and like a few other people, and they go
Speaker 5: to jail or they're dead right, they get taken care
Speaker 5: of it, and then there's like swaths of followers that
Speaker 5: nothing happens to, you know, they just get to go
Speaker 5: about and live the rest of their life. But Lisa,
Speaker 5: what what what were you going to say?
Speaker 3: So then at the height of it, they said there
Speaker 3: was like a total between ten to fifteen members in
Speaker 3: the cult, yet they only arrested three there.
Speaker 5: See, that's what I'm talking about, and that's it.
Speaker 3: Others claim that they died or they had defected or
Speaker 3: what have you. But when you look at the property
Speaker 3: where the shrine, their ritual shrine was in Montemodos, the
Speaker 3: owner was the grandfather of the Ernandez cartel. He no
Speaker 3: charges ever came against him, But why not, dude? Right,
Speaker 3: yet he was performing magical ritual ceremony services for the family,
Speaker 3: So surely they're they're pain right, They're they're in on it, hey.
Speaker 5: And it's it's like saying, uh, you know, I get
Speaker 5: it to an extent. If you were renting somebody an
Speaker 5: apartment and Jeffrey Dahmer happened to live in that apartment,
Speaker 5: why does the landlord go to jail. It's not like
Speaker 5: he had anything to do with it. But in this
Speaker 5: case it's different because he is connected like this guy
Speaker 5: the Hernande and this guy is connected to Adolpho and
Speaker 5: definitely probably was taking some type of part in what
Speaker 5: they were doing out there.
Speaker 3: Absolutely because so to kind of get into a little
Speaker 3: bit of the magical services that he was providing. So
Speaker 3: in what I read, the Apollo religion is that you
Speaker 3: basically would sacrifice a victim and you would have to
Speaker 3: torture it. You would have to torture them to the
Speaker 3: point of screaming, because the more that they scream, more
Speaker 3: the torture, the more the better the sacrifice. And then
Speaker 3: the soul will be captured by the cauldron that he's creating.
Speaker 3: And then in the cauldron that's where you place the
Speaker 3: innerds or the viscera or whatever and has like stix
Speaker 3: coming out of it, and it su has to like
Speaker 3: work like a like a tuning thing, tuning into the
Speaker 3: actual spirit world, and you are able to harness these
Speaker 3: I guess, tortured souls to do your bidding. Right, So
Speaker 3: the more the torture, the better. But yet most of
Speaker 3: these people supposedly were strangers that they that they killed.
Speaker 3: But the families are paying for the service. So essentially
Speaker 3: they're pain for the death of a human sacrifice, right,
Speaker 3: They're paying for a human sacrifice for the magical service
Speaker 3: to be rendered, I would think, and.
Speaker 5: So probably specific individuals.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: I think. So now, of course nobody gets into that
Speaker 3: part except I mean, you have the attention of the
Speaker 3: kill roys. But I do think that is the case.
Speaker 3: I do think these were targeted for sure. When you
Speaker 3: look at like with the Glasada family, they're at a
Speaker 3: while Lahata. I mean, what was that family targeted? It
Speaker 3: says in the book that it's because he asked to
Speaker 3: go in. He wanted full partnership with a Calsada prophet.
Speaker 3: He's he was saying, look, the only reason you've become
Speaker 3: successful is because I'm doing all these magic rituals providing
Speaker 3: your protection. I should get a cut of this. They
Speaker 3: said no, and immediately somehow they disappear, right, so now.
Speaker 5: You havently it just I mean a lot of the
Speaker 5: bodies that they found when they started digging them up.
Speaker 5: I think I talked about it in the last episode,
Speaker 5: but it was like former uh CIA agents, former let
Speaker 5: me see if I can find it. It just it
Speaker 5: was there's no way it was an accident.
Speaker 3: Well you find that, let me They were one scams.
Speaker 3: There was no magical Well I'm not saying there wasn't
Speaker 3: because I don't know. I wasn't there, but there the
Speaker 3: types of scams he was running. It almost makes you wonder,
Speaker 3: this is why there was a CIA person it buried there,
Speaker 3: or that's why there was a cartel person buried there.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the magic that made them invisible or bulletproof proof.
Speaker 3: It was that Adultho took him out.
Speaker 5: And yes, so this is the thing. I found it
Speaker 5: right here in my notes. Because if they just needed
Speaker 5: random victims, right like, if I was gonna do a
Speaker 5: spirit pot or whatever, I would just go somewhere and
Speaker 5: get a homeless guy and fucking cut him up if
Speaker 5: that's what I needed, if that's all I needed to do.
Speaker 5: But here's the victims. An owner and secretary of a
Speaker 5: company that served as a front cocaine processing lab, sure whatever,
Speaker 5: an informant for the federal allies and his mistress, two
Speaker 5: federal narcotics officers, three former police officers, and the American
Speaker 5: nephew of a US customs agent. So random, crying su random, It.
Speaker 4: Just exactly that's what That's what I was getting at
Speaker 4: with these drug cards. There's obviously he's upawn and some
Speaker 4: sort of up rationlan on drug cartel kind of you know,
Speaker 4: you know, negotiations in at times his squad, which again
Speaker 4: is the same, no different than Charles Manson. I feel
Speaker 4: like this is the correlations are so similar in those aspects,
Speaker 4: and he had the drug king.
Speaker 5: Right Hispanic Charles Manson.
Speaker 4: In regards to whether or not there's a CIA agent there,
Speaker 4: I mean maybe he was the CIA operative there, because
Speaker 4: again he is an anti Castro Cuban. That's I mean,
Speaker 4: we're talking about the son of an anti Castro Cuban
Speaker 4: right at the height of the the spora of the
Speaker 4: Cubans there from from Castro. So it's he's an interesting bat.
Speaker 4: I couldn't find it on his father, so it's a
Speaker 4: very interesting background. And for sure no and.
Speaker 3: So his father nothing is known, which of course further
Speaker 3: increases right that it's like maybe he was birthed out
Speaker 3: of you know, some sort of what do we call it,
Speaker 3: like or Babylon type situation. Yeah, hence why he's the one.
Speaker 3: But like when he was with the Glsala family, and
Speaker 3: I don't mean to keep going back system, I promise
Speaker 3: I'm establishing it something. But he like would stage scams
Speaker 3: to where he would pose as like a DEA agent
Speaker 3: and he apparently like ripped off like one of the
Speaker 3: top while I had cocaine drug dealers, and basically he
Speaker 3: was he he had this stash and he called up
Speaker 3: his police contacts, and they told him where to sell it.
Speaker 3: How is that not fishy?
Speaker 5: Oh, it's it's it's tuna fish. I mean, yes, it's
Speaker 5: like the biggest fish you can get. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 5: this is okay. But here's the thing, and this is
Speaker 5: what all my uh research into Adolfo I keep coming
Speaker 5: back to the same thing, where there is an aspect
Speaker 5: of this that's very controlled and very got to be
Speaker 5: cia ish in there somewhere. But the people who followed
Speaker 5: him were under the belief that it was all real,
Speaker 5: which is how you create Manson family victim like or
Speaker 5: not victims, but Manson family members because they didn't understand
Speaker 5: that they were getting a game ran on them. They
Speaker 5: thought it was real magic. They thought the sacrifices would
Speaker 5: really get them powers and stuff like this. So the
Speaker 5: remaining cult members who didn't get busted or go down
Speaker 5: with any charges, they did get investigated, and when the
Speaker 5: police searched their homes there were reports of them finding
Speaker 5: blood spattered altars in many of the homes of these cultists.
Speaker 5: In Mexico City, newspapers openly speculated that human infants had
Speaker 5: been ritually sacrificed by the grit and some reporters even
Speaker 5: said that babies might even have been bred specifically for
Speaker 5: that purpose. So there is Adolpho, right, and he's running
Speaker 5: scam on everybody, and he's running game on everybody, but
Speaker 5: the people who are following him have taken it to
Speaker 5: another level of mental illness where they are now participating
Speaker 5: in these what they think are real rituals and killing
Speaker 5: like real babies and shit. And they don't even have
Speaker 5: any idea that Adolpho's Charles Manson and like he's just
Speaker 5: running a playbook on them. So it's it's very unfortunate you.
Speaker 3: Are a lore spot On because the three first guys
Speaker 3: that he recruits, which is Martin Kindana, which is his
Speaker 3: lover j On this which supposedly was a psychic and
Speaker 3: omar area. All three he met at the hangout for
Speaker 3: prostitutes at the Zona Rosa, and all had supposedly believed
Speaker 3: in a cult since they were fifteen, right, and so,
Speaker 3: and they they actively practiced it. So it's almost like
Speaker 3: prime for the picking, you know, it's almost like go
Speaker 3: into this area, these people are, you know, of that
Speaker 3: type of belief system, It'll be easy at that point.
Speaker 3: The The other thing is that so one of the things.
Speaker 3: And it kind of to me screamed SFK was And
Speaker 3: we'll get into that and on this part, but with
Speaker 3: the goal sales, when when it was seven family members
Speaker 3: that went missing, that's a lot. And yet and he
Speaker 3: even says, like when the whole media outcry came of Kilbroy,
Speaker 3: He's like, what is this? He goes, nobody even made
Speaker 3: a stink about the Goalsalla disappearance and killed. How is
Speaker 3: everybody all up in arms in this? This makes no sense?
Speaker 3: So what I'm thinking is that of course no one
Speaker 3: was going to make any stink about the Galsala family
Speaker 3: because it was contrived. It was constructed. I think it
Speaker 3: was planned. But so seven of the members of the
Speaker 3: Galsava family disappear, and then like I think like a
Speaker 3: week later, they're fished out of a river nearby in pieces, right,
Speaker 3: and that when they go back to look at the
Speaker 3: body or the corpseses that were intact, they had like
Speaker 3: fingers and toes and ears were removed, hearts and generals
Speaker 3: were excised like they were actually removed perfectly, and then
Speaker 3: the spine was ripped out of one of the bodies,
Speaker 3: and I think two of them had missing brains. And
Speaker 3: so when you go into whenever they busted the ritual
Speaker 3: the shrine place in Matamoros, you start to see why.
Speaker 3: And it's like he would specifically collect certain body parts
Speaker 3: of certain people because of certain reasons. And so it's
Speaker 3: almost like if a person was really smart, he took
Speaker 3: their brain. If a person was certain something, he would
Speaker 3: take that and then utilize that in his cauldron. So
Speaker 3: it's almost like they were targeted, right, if not targeted,
Speaker 3: but he already knew what he wanted from them as
Speaker 3: part of the ritual. So you know, so there there
Speaker 3: is that. So I wanted to kind of get into
Speaker 3: a little bit of apollow if you don't mind.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just bring something up real quick. Something I
Speaker 2: just wanted to bring up that I thought it might
Speaker 2: be possible, you know, besides the fact that maybe him
Speaker 2: actually just running scams on people, I did wonder if
Speaker 2: that's just a way to receive payment to kill somebody anyway. Oh,
Speaker 2: I was just looking to get a magical. You know,
Speaker 2: he's got a love spell. Thought. I didn't know he's
Speaker 2: gonna kill something.
Speaker 3: That's a great point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's like almost like not money, wondering,
Speaker 2: but but it's like a way to accept the payment.
Speaker 1: That is.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he wasn't paying taxes anyway on it. But
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like it was just a cover.
Speaker 1: For didn't report that thirty grand for a hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well a magic. I'm sure he wasn't claiming his
Speaker 2: money for magic. Yeah, if you're killing people, I'm saying,
Speaker 2: not worried about the irs.
Speaker 3: Definitely not in Mexico. Yeah yeah, big Texans. Well, I
Speaker 3: mean if he was over here because he was an
Speaker 3: American citident.
Speaker 1: That was the other they'll get to these an American citizens.
Speaker 3: He was never a Mexican ever. So one of the
Speaker 3: things I really quickly go into this, and I know
Speaker 3: I was talking about this with Nick and I thought
Speaker 3: it would be interesting to mention. So the actual belief
Speaker 3: system that he had, I guess his followers indoctrinated with
Speaker 3: was called follow my Own Bit. But when they look
Speaker 3: into it, they notice that it is a merge between
Speaker 3: Santa Ria follow and then the Aztec Warrior ritual, which
Speaker 3: we kind of got into that a little bit with
Speaker 3: the apparition of the Virgin Mary in Wilapack. So so
Speaker 3: the Aztec warrior ritual is like a human sacrifice, and
Speaker 3: it's super complex. It like it's not just like we're
Speaker 3: going to cut your heart out, you know, be done
Speaker 3: with you. Oh no. So every sacrifice is like meticulously
Speaker 3: planned from the type of victim to the specific ceremony
Speaker 3: they're going to be offered and to which god. And
Speaker 3: so usually what they would do is they would go
Speaker 3: to neighboring tribes and capture their warriors. The higher the warrior,
Speaker 3: the better the warrior, the better the sacrifice, right, And
Speaker 3: what they would do is that they would plan which
Speaker 3: warrior was going to be sacrificed to which god. And
Speaker 3: so if they were going to sacrifice the like the
Speaker 3: god to like a warlike god, they would take the
Speaker 3: warrior that captured the other warrior, would take in that
Speaker 3: guy for a year and dress him as that God,
Speaker 3: feed him as if he were the warlike God, give
Speaker 3: him women like he was a warlike God. And I
Speaker 3: mean it would go on and on and on for
Speaker 3: about a whole year, and then the day would on
Speaker 3: the feast day of that god to where he would
Speaker 3: be sacrificed. And the other thing is like if it
Speaker 3: fell on a specific month, or whatever. They would paint
Speaker 3: them in blue, right, which is which is funny because
Speaker 3: you hear blue a lot, whether it's with Crowley that
Speaker 3: saw the blue image in the in the pyramids or
Speaker 3: what have you. Right, And of course this is done
Speaker 3: at the great Pyramid at the very top. So like,
Speaker 3: for instance, if you do the warlike God, you would basically,
Speaker 3: you know, have them in blue and then place them
Speaker 3: over like a ritual stone. You would cut into them
Speaker 3: alive and then tear out their heart alive. You know,
Speaker 3: you've seen it on the Indiana Jones and Apocalypto, and
Speaker 3: that's pretty much what it is, right. So they would
Speaker 3: tear out the heart and then they would push the
Speaker 3: body down the pyramid and would like roll down or whatever,
Speaker 3: and it was going to mimic the story of the
Speaker 3: warlike God's sister. That would then be dismembered, and then
Speaker 3: the bodies would be carried away, cremated or returned to
Speaker 3: the warrior itself and then he would hack it up
Speaker 3: and either he would take the body parts and like
Speaker 3: ship them off as a present to someone else, or
Speaker 3: he would keep them and eat them and then they
Speaker 3: would burn them. But what's interesting, So it's like a
Speaker 3: ritual of cannibalism, so to speak. But what's interesting is
Speaker 3: that this is what they were doing in this whole
Speaker 3: ritual thing, is that they were selecting certain body parts
Speaker 3: to either be utilizing the ritual or gifted and sent out.
Speaker 3: Because when you go into some of the Ernandez type
Speaker 3: journals and stuff like that, he said that he was
Speaker 3: like organ trafficking as well. He was cutting it up.
Speaker 3: You know, those organs were no longer there or somehow
Speaker 3: removing them and I don't know, giving them away or
Speaker 3: utilizing them for a ritual or was he giving them
Speaker 3: to another cult where they were doing another ritual. Does
Speaker 3: that make sense right right?
Speaker 5: Or like Oregon harvesting for like git like okay, And
Speaker 5: so you.
Speaker 4: Get the cars having busted doing that too for sure,
Speaker 4: that's the secondary Oh yeahs doing that.
Speaker 1: Organs.
Speaker 3: So when you look at the amount of people that
Speaker 3: died just in Mexico City between nineteen eighty seven and
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine, it's like over seventy five people, and
Speaker 3: those specific people were died of ritual killings and most
Speaker 3: of them, most of them are tied to Adolfo. And
Speaker 3: I think they said like sixteen of those seventy five
Speaker 3: where children or teenagers.
Speaker 5: So you're dude, I got the same thing. In my notes,
Speaker 5: it says a dude named Michael Newton reported that from
Speaker 5: nineteen eighty seven to nineteen eighty nine there were seventy
Speaker 5: four unsolved ritual homicides in Mexico City. Fourteen of those
Speaker 5: victims were confirmed infants, So they were up to something
Speaker 5: for sure.
Speaker 3: So one of the main main things about this god
Speaker 3: that the Aztecs would worship when they wanted it to
Speaker 3: reign is that they would capture children and they would
Speaker 3: torture them because the tears of the children were part
Speaker 3: of the ritual and the sacrifice to the god. So
Speaker 3: now you hear Paulo saying, the worse the torture, the
Speaker 3: better the sacrifice, And now you're hearing that most of
Speaker 3: them were children and teenagers. I think this is way
Speaker 3: more to do with the Meso American type belief system
Speaker 3: than anything else in my opinion, right, because do you.
Speaker 5: Think that there's like a hybrid situation going on, And
Speaker 5: it's like Adolpho doesn't really care as much about who
Speaker 5: the well he's going after specific people he's supposed to
Speaker 5: take out, but then all the Mansonite family members will
Speaker 5: call them cult members that are following him. They're into
Speaker 5: this Palo stuff and they really want like the sacrifice
Speaker 5: and the kids and the infants, and like they're actually
Speaker 5: like following like the Palo sorcery or whatever. But Adolpho,
Speaker 5: because if you can get somebody to think it's like
Speaker 5: part of the power structure thing, he doesn't even have
Speaker 5: to touch anybody anymore at that point. He's literally like
Speaker 5: just the mind behind the people carrying this out. So
Speaker 5: as long as they're getting the target ones that he
Speaker 5: needs to be take care of, they can just do
Speaker 5: whatever they want with everybody else, kids, babies, whatever, They
Speaker 5: can have their fun and do their little palo shit
Speaker 5: with them. But as long as these specific targets are
Speaker 5: taken out, nothing else matters. Kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Well, so with that, as let me just say this
Speaker 3: really quickly, no good with that. I'm going to build
Speaker 3: upon that whole thing, Julia. And it's if we remember
Speaker 3: when og Nick and the Occult Rejects did their episode
Speaker 3: on the order of Metzequatdal. What did we learn is
Speaker 3: that they were going into Mexico right that part of
Speaker 3: the actual initiation is to do a pilgrimage to the
Speaker 3: pyramid there and they consecrated them or they basically rose
Speaker 3: through the ranks during a ritual and it's called a
Speaker 3: consecration ceremony called the Feast of Fire. Well, that's the
Speaker 3: god that has requires for children to cry. Right, And
Speaker 3: then if you agreed on or you listen on to
Speaker 3: an og Tour episode, the Order of Quetzequadal talks about
Speaker 3: how they are the benefactors for the Shriners and they
Speaker 3: supply the funding for the transportation of what.
Speaker 2: The kids. They buy some of the vans with the
Speaker 2: kids and everything to transport them to the Yeah, but.
Speaker 5: The Shriners, like if we're talking about they got to
Speaker 5: rip the spines and shout out, they got known.
Speaker 3: But when when the kids are in the hospital, what's
Speaker 3: wrong with them?
Speaker 5: Spite of Biffita, they're oh yeah, and they're crying. I
Speaker 5: do think that they could be involved in harvesting ship off.
Speaker 3: Of Oh no, but it's still goes.
Speaker 5: With like the ritualistic aspect of it.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, in that it's not only them as well,
Speaker 3: but everyone else, Like who's going down there? The Mormons,
Speaker 3: scientologists process, everyone's going down there specific area, So it's
Speaker 3: all these gods that they're actually practicing these rituals too, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, and then now you have Adolfo doing this
Speaker 3: out blatant and people are paying him for it. People
Speaker 3: are actually cashing in on this. So I don't know,
Speaker 3: I thought that was important to kind of mention it.
Speaker 5: Is important because it's almost Oh, go ahead, Nick, I I.
Speaker 2: Know you have also mentioned something. I mean, I do
Speaker 2: find it interesting the Shriners do dress up as clowns
Speaker 2: and sometimes they don't actually make kids left. They actually
Speaker 2: scare the shit out of him and they will cry,
Speaker 2: right yeah, I mean you're getting the tears there too,
Speaker 2: and thenable transport you to wherever you gotta go.
Speaker 5: Mmmmm hmm weird. Yeah, I mean I kind of mentioned
Speaker 5: it when we covered with the guest that vampire priests
Speaker 5: of Magdalena. Right, there's an aspect of this that it's
Speaker 5: like a true sorcery and belief system, and maybe she
Speaker 5: even believed it, the followers believed it, and maybe there
Speaker 5: was a level of actual magic going on. But then
Speaker 5: there's like this other aspect of it. How much of
Speaker 5: it is controlled and so even with the Manson family,
Speaker 5: I know, I keep bringing that up. Is It's like
Speaker 5: there was a true belief system, but it was also
Speaker 5: being controlled. And that's how you are able. It's like
Speaker 5: a blueprint, and that's how you're able to pull off
Speaker 5: a successful.
Speaker 3: I do think there's one hundred percent controlled by something
Speaker 3: higher up, governmental whatever. And it was probably an exchange
Speaker 3: of like, we want these cartails out because we're going
Speaker 3: to move in the ones we want, but we'll do
Speaker 3: it under a guise of all this other stuff exactly.
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 4: I think that's your spot on at Lisa, because you know,
Speaker 4: again with the Manson family correlations, you know, the you know,
Speaker 4: or any other of these occult crimesing throws on the
Speaker 4: salm and s something like that. The victims, you're they're
Speaker 4: always you know, uh, kind of trying to cover up
Speaker 4: the make it look random across across the victimology, even
Speaker 4: though there are specific targets, right, So you have to
Speaker 4: have a couple and make a look right, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. But and that's what the Manson family
Speaker 4: as well, and you know, not necessarily directly with the
Speaker 4: Manson murders specifically, but surrounding the cold activity there in
Speaker 4: southern California, surrounding the process manson elements. You had legends
Speaker 4: and stories being told of the four four P and
Speaker 4: uh the four PI or four P movement, and they
Speaker 4: were incorporating as they were incorporating the Aztec you know,
Speaker 4: murder rituals in their in their business too, despite not
Speaker 4: being you know, you know, getting mashed together these principles
Speaker 4: and ideas.
Speaker 5: Well. You know what I always say is you can't
Speaker 5: separate governmental C I A, even whatever you want to get.
Speaker 5: You almost can't decipher the two. They're they're all. They're
Speaker 5: really one one one in the same.
Speaker 3: They are they are well and Nick, you had a question.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what was that four P I except from.
Speaker 5: The four pie?
Speaker 4: See turn over to Julia. She sheroly got some information on.
Speaker 5: You go, because that's that's like part of the process
Speaker 5: and ship, isn't it. They're based off.
Speaker 4: Offsheet movement of the process, right, like a split off.
Speaker 2: How's it's spelled PI.
Speaker 4: The same difference, I mean, it's still part of the
Speaker 4: same same umbrella network, right, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I was just wondering because of the pie, like I know,
Speaker 2: like it's just a random thing like it It's because I
Speaker 2: had spoken to somebody yesterday and I was asking him
Speaker 2: week my friend Jordan. He had left the O t
Speaker 2: O and I've never really spoken to him that much
Speaker 2: about the place after I left, and I don't even
Speaker 2: know how higo he got. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I was like, did you do anymore after I left?
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I got up to the fourth p I.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, that's cool.
Speaker 5: I always said Pie, but maybe it's p I. I
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 2: No, I'm just wondering if there's a play off that with.
Speaker 5: That's off of the process. Church for sure is a
Speaker 5: process spawned.
Speaker 2: Because you could do your fourth and then I think
Speaker 2: to become a perfected initiative, something off by something. There's
Speaker 2: a PI. It's like a thing and an add on.
Speaker 2: You can do the fourth degree. So and then after
Speaker 2: that you can't go any farther unless somebody asks you.
Speaker 5: In the ot O, well that yeah, I was gonna say.
Speaker 5: In Program to Kill they talk about he talks about
Speaker 5: how all of them process scientology, all of them for
Speaker 5: pie cold that's what I call them. They all come
Speaker 5: from grandfather belief systems were really Crowley.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, That's exactly right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the four P speaking of matching these weird
Speaker 4: cults together that four P. According to the Ed Sanders investigation,
Speaker 4: this is the term the Grand ching Gan that that
Speaker 4: Manson was referred to numerous times, uh by different folks.
Speaker 4: But that apparently it's some sort of Eastern mysticism where
Speaker 4: they've mashed together some sort of Cali worshiping death cult
Speaker 4: with Buddhism and some sort of Japanese cult.
Speaker 1: It's sex cult.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, that's where the Thuggies come from.
Speaker 1: Who is it the Thugies. I don't know that the.
Speaker 5: Thuggies, Well, they were a cult that were they were
Speaker 5: Cali worshipers and uh, they they were strangling the dog
Speaker 5: shit out of that. I think the body count was
Speaker 5: is in the millions, JJ in the millions millions the
Speaker 5: Thuggie cult. That's where the term thug comes from.
Speaker 1: And this is where India. Where was this?
Speaker 5: Yeah, his name was oh fucking I have it in
Speaker 5: my notes actually because I was gonna talk to Nick
Speaker 5: about it one day of the check.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, I've never heard of this cult.
Speaker 4: But one other thought I had on the mashing together
Speaker 4: all these different theologies, right, One thing to note with
Speaker 4: relative of the four P and all this Eastern mysticism
Speaker 4: that was matched in there, notably at apparently using rituals
Speaker 4: at the Son of Sam and the Atlanta child killings.
Speaker 1: Was a Buddhist statue in very ritual sites.
Speaker 4: So you know, back to this four p matched together
Speaker 4: the Buddhism, the Cali worshipping in the Japanese sex cult.
Speaker 5: His name was Burrahm if you want to look him up.
Speaker 5: He was the cult leader.
Speaker 1: B e.
Speaker 5: H R. A. M. Burram.
Speaker 3: But to your point JJ about Crowley and all that,
Speaker 3: Crowley was there. Crowley was in Mexico in this one
Speaker 3: area and was it And yeah, he did some mountaineering,
Speaker 3: and well, I mean not in the nineteen eighties obviously,
Speaker 3: but he was within a good two hour away from
Speaker 3: where all of these site rituals were. But he was mountaineering.
Speaker 3: Some of the major bulk or summits that are that
Speaker 3: are there in this in this one area. The other
Speaker 3: thing that some of the Aste warrior rituals include is
Speaker 3: the use of sacrificial blood to form a dough and
Speaker 3: form it into some sort of statue that to worship
Speaker 3: or venerate. And so it reminded me of the cakes
Speaker 3: of blind Sorry.
Speaker 5: A dough like like a cake or some ship or
Speaker 5: not like a p.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's from the blood of the people that
Speaker 3: are sacrificed, right, And the better the worst sacrifice, the
Speaker 3: better the worst their torture, the better the sacrifice. One
Speaker 3: of the other things is and I'll get into this
Speaker 3: then I think it's important. Right about the time when
Speaker 3: the Goala and theos family is done away with, it
Speaker 3: leaves a vacuum, right, and the cartel, the golf cartel
Speaker 3: is pretty much the predominating area in where then on
Speaker 3: this cartel is and what have you. But at around
Speaker 3: the late nineteen eighties it's when Leami cho Khana family
Speaker 3: starts to form. And I believe they were they were
Speaker 3: in cells or they were like some sort of they
Speaker 3: were revolting against something else. But there has been ties
Speaker 3: to the La Fami Cho Khana and apparently Lozettoughts that
Speaker 3: were training. And then when you look at the golf
Speaker 3: cartel and who was trained who they were getting trained
Speaker 3: to be their bodyguards, you see actual connections with US
Speaker 3: military or US paramilitary or US some sort of training
Speaker 3: with these people. So you almost have to ask did
Speaker 3: the US have an involvement with Adolfo in clearing out
Speaker 3: these two families and families because, like Julie was saying,
Speaker 3: what's his name, said that there were many other cults
Speaker 3: like that in Mexico. And when they arrested Alderete and
Speaker 3: we'll get into her and a little bit, she said,
Speaker 3: this isn't going to die with us. There are many
Speaker 3: people that are doing this in Mexico. I know of
Speaker 3: one in Monterrey and they are not affiliated with us,
Speaker 3: but I know they exist. So for her to say that,
Speaker 3: I think is big. I think it's it's definitely big too.
Speaker 3: Well what Henry Lee Lucas was saying, right.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, And it makes me think of serial killers
Speaker 5: in general, because they run many programs at the same
Speaker 5: time and they see how it affects the public and
Speaker 5: which ones are successful and which ones are not. And
Speaker 5: it does make me think of the sixties, because you
Speaker 5: had the Manson murders, you had Zodiac. Shortly thereafter, you
Speaker 5: had Ted Bundy, and so it's like they run multiple
Speaker 5: different programs. They're not necessarily affiliated, but they're under the
Speaker 5: same umbrella, if that makes sense, and they're just kind
Speaker 5: of functioning separately of each other. And how I know
Speaker 5: that this has got, it has all the markers of
Speaker 5: a blueprint of the CIA is. Some of the captured
Speaker 5: cult members were interviewed and it became clear that most
Speaker 5: of them suffered from split personality disorder. So that's another
Speaker 5: huge indication in my mind that there was something more
Speaker 5: than what meets CI because as soon as you find
Speaker 5: it's it's odd enough for one person to have split
Speaker 5: personality disorder, then you interview all the rest of the
Speaker 5: surviving cult members and they've all got split personality. What
Speaker 5: the hell is this?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: And that's how they are able to be so successful
Speaker 5: as like cult leaders, is because half of the bitches
Speaker 5: don't even know who they are.
Speaker 3: That's true, that's so true.
Speaker 5: But so I think that a lot of the family
Speaker 5: members in the Manson family had split personality disorder. I
Speaker 5: think that's what they were doing at the Spawn ranch.
Speaker 5: I think that they were doing a lot of MK stuff,
Speaker 5: a lot of clockwork orange stuff. And so it's that's
Speaker 5: why I kind of have been referring to this guy's
Speaker 5: like the hispanic Charles Manson is because all of his
Speaker 5: cult members have split personality and just like how they
Speaker 5: didn't get rid of Charles Manson. They could have easily
Speaker 5: tried to like get this guy the death penalty or
Speaker 5: like have something happen to him in prison where he dies,
Speaker 5: but they haven't, Like they've kept him alive, and they've
Speaker 5: kept him like you know, they do interviews with him
Speaker 5: and stuff, and they keep kind of like putting him
Speaker 5: out in the public eye, and they say that Adolpho
Speaker 5: was murdered, but then you see reports where he's been
Speaker 5: spotted afterwards, so clearly they didn't get rid of him.
Speaker 5: And in the wake of the Metamorro's case, two members
Speaker 5: of the Texas State Legislator Senator J. E. Brown and
Speaker 5: Representative Sam Johnson introduced to bill aimed at combating cult
Speaker 5: related ritual crime, which they asserted was a huge problem
Speaker 5: in Texas and elsewhere in the country. But after a
Speaker 5: decade had passed, the problem definitely had not cleared up.
Speaker 5: So it's a good thing they passed that fucking bill.
Speaker 5: Super helpful, And it became even more evident that this
Speaker 5: was a huge problem when yet another excavation began at
Speaker 5: a ranch near Warres, Mexico. And so is I wanted
Speaker 5: to include that right here, because you said there was
Speaker 5: a female who testified, Hey, there's it's not just us.
Speaker 5: We know of other cults that are doing this. Were
Speaker 5: not affiliated with them, but they're they're doing the same
Speaker 5: thing too.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. So that girl that you mentioned to
Speaker 3: say something, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I just try to type on the chat,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't let.
Speaker 3: Me, okay. So the Sarah, which was considered la madrina,
Speaker 3: which he was, I guess like the second in charge,
Speaker 3: is what Costanza put her as second in charge. So
Speaker 3: she was like in charge of recruiting, I guess, indoctrinating,
Speaker 3: and whenever he would leave, you know, like for a
Speaker 3: drug run or something like that, he would put her
Speaker 3: in charge. Right. But one of the things I wanted
Speaker 3: to mention with her, which was interesting. So we have
Speaker 3: Costanzo doing what he did to the Calsada family, right,
Speaker 3: and then leaves, So while Lahata is on the Pacific
Speaker 3: side of Mexico, and he leaves to Matamoros, which is
Speaker 3: over on the tip of Texas. So now you're in
Speaker 3: the golf side of Mexico. By July, he already knew
Speaker 3: what family he wanted to target. How did he know?
Speaker 3: I have no idea. But one of the things that
Speaker 3: he did do is that he has a chance encounter
Speaker 3: with a girl named Sarah Aldrete and he cuts her
Speaker 3: off and he you know, comes out of his car,
Speaker 3: brand new, shiny Mercedes and basically is telling her, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry, you know whatever, whatever, Oh it's faded.
Speaker 3: I bet you your birthday is this. It's the same
Speaker 3: as my mom's. I've seen it in my tarot car.
Speaker 3: It's blah blah blah blah blah. Just woozes her over right.
Speaker 3: The thing is he knew who she was and she
Speaker 3: was dating one of the members of the anonymous cartel,
Speaker 3: and completely woos her right, trying to like be her
Speaker 3: friend and trying to get you know, close to her whatever,
Speaker 3: to the point that I think they meet up, like
Speaker 3: she I think he meets up with her. And his
Speaker 3: name was Gilbert Sosa, which was part of the they
Speaker 3: head on this family. And shortly thereafter, someone makes a
Speaker 3: phone call to Sosa and tells Sosa that Sarah is
Speaker 3: cheating on him, so of course he breaks up with her,
Speaker 3: and Sarah runs to Adolpho and is like, he broke
Speaker 3: up with me, He won't believe me. I'm not cheating
Speaker 3: on him, and Adolpho tells her, oh, I saw this
Speaker 3: coming in the tarot cards, which wasn't true because he
Speaker 3: made the phone call to Sosa to break up. So
Speaker 3: this was all a scam so that he could get
Speaker 3: in with Aldarette. So somehow he gets Aldarette to give
Speaker 3: him all the information on the on this cartel, to
Speaker 3: the point that he tells her that one of them,
Speaker 3: the top guys, is going to come to you and
Speaker 3: ask you for advice. And when he does, introduce me
Speaker 3: to him, and sure enough, one of the head calls
Speaker 3: in Sarah and it's like, I have this problem. I
Speaker 3: need some advice, and she introduces him to Gossanzo, and
Speaker 3: Cassanzo just smoozes his entire way in and says, I
Speaker 3: can do all this for you. I can provide security.
Speaker 3: All they need to do is just basically give me
Speaker 3: half of your profits. But I can make your men
Speaker 3: invisible and bulletproof. The same the same thing he sold
Speaker 3: to the Gasalla family. It's what he was selling to
Speaker 3: the this family. And then somehow they get that is
Speaker 3: how they get access to the Ananda ranch and they're
Speaker 3: able to do all of their rituals there because of
Speaker 3: the way he schmooths his way into this situation, and
Speaker 3: then somehow he would design times where I think what
Speaker 3: he did one time is that he would say that
Speaker 3: there was like a rival gang that stole drugs, but
Speaker 3: it was his group that stole the drugs, and so
Speaker 3: he sit on it right, and then that the rival
Speaker 3: gang had thought that it was this people that had
Speaker 3: stolen it, and so they kidnapped his group. Adultphos group
Speaker 3: kidnaps one of the guys with their kid and tells
Speaker 3: the rest of the family, look, if I do this
Speaker 3: ritual sacrifice, I promise you won't have to pay any
Speaker 3: ransom and I promise no harm will come to these
Speaker 3: two people. So they performed the ritual and what have you,
Speaker 3: and they return the people right. But it was his family,
Speaker 3: I mean, it was his group who had done it
Speaker 3: all along, and they sold the drugs and then they
Speaker 3: sold the drugs keeping the profits. So he was running
Speaker 3: total scams on all of the I guess the family
Speaker 3: themselves and then the surrounding people that were also you know,
Speaker 3: drug running. This is this is pretty big, I think
Speaker 3: in terms of who's who's allowed to do and move
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 5: Can I just say one thing too, that just seems
Speaker 5: so preposterous to me about this and how he was
Speaker 5: able to get away with it for so long. He said,
Speaker 5: I can make your men invisible and bulletproof. Like I
Speaker 5: would test the theory. I'd be like, oh, so you're
Speaker 5: gonna make my men invisible and bulletproof. Let me, Johnny,
Speaker 5: come over here, let's test it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: How did he get away with this for so long?
Speaker 5: I would have blowed my own guy's head off to
Speaker 5: test it before I would put my blind Yeah, and
Speaker 5: I think you make yourself invisible and bulletproof.
Speaker 3: This is where I think the other members who never
Speaker 3: got arrested, whose names don't come up, I think this
Speaker 3: is they were running it in with him as well.
Speaker 5: It's crazy to me. It's just so crazy how he
Speaker 5: was able to get away with this for so long.
Speaker 5: When when you see something like that, you have to
Speaker 5: know there's something else at play here, because you cannot
Speaker 5: stand on a lie like that for too awfully long.
Speaker 5: I'm making people bulletproof and invisible, and I'm you know,
Speaker 5: putting people's heads in pots and I'm boiling them, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, how long can you? What was it ten
Speaker 5: years or something like that? He was able to run
Speaker 5: free or.
Speaker 3: With this it was I believe two years.
Speaker 5: Two years? What about with the others two years?
Speaker 3: So here all together and then yeah, like kind of
Speaker 3: like the race period with these people, I think. Okay,
Speaker 3: but but that's important.
Speaker 1: Oh go ahead, Lisa, No, that was it? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 4: I think it's also important to know that someone had
Speaker 4: to off the Hernandez cartel leader to make all that,
Speaker 4: to allow him to be to have you to go
Speaker 4: in there, and that happened, and I think January eighty seventh,
Speaker 4: so like right when Costanzo's getting you know, pushing his
Speaker 4: way into the family, their cartel leader gets gets, you know,
Speaker 4: killed too.
Speaker 5: And it's like did he not make right? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 5: Was nobody the question pop in their mind like why
Speaker 5: wasn't the cartel leader invisible in bulletproof? Like who got him?
Speaker 4: He didn't have the magic yet, right, I mean Costanzo
Speaker 4: hadn't showed up yet.
Speaker 2: He couldn't afford it, couldn't even afford it.
Speaker 3: He couldn't afford it.
Speaker 4: Okay, This Fernandez guys pretty interesting. So he was running
Speaker 4: a drug trade from Michigan all the way down to
Speaker 4: southern Mexico. In fact, a lot of his crops he
Speaker 4: was grown from marijuana fields were down south to Mexico City.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this guy had an extensive network.
Speaker 3: Well, he was very successful. Again, this is where I
Speaker 3: think some of the government stepped in and they were
Speaker 3: doing to him what they did to Pablo Squad. They
Speaker 3: were like wanting to take over the farming industry in
Speaker 3: the area.
Speaker 5: Well, and he was like a psychic to the stars
Speaker 5: and shit, like Marina Abramovich see with their spirit pot
Speaker 5: and all that, It's very similar. You guys are laughing,
Speaker 5: I'm serious. He was cutting people up, chopping them up,
Speaker 5: putting them in a pot. He's a psychic to the stars.
Speaker 5: He's making people invisible and bulletproof and all this weird shit,
Speaker 5: And like you almost have to wonder how easily it
Speaker 5: is to take a whole to someone's mental illness. Because
Speaker 5: everybody wants to feel special and everybody wants to feel important,
Speaker 5: and so all you gotta do if you're gonna run
Speaker 5: a cult is make people feel special and important and
Speaker 5: that they could have magical powers and and they could
Speaker 5: do like all this stuff and get away with it
Speaker 5: and murder people and put people's heads in pots and
Speaker 5: do and like, they will sign up for it, even
Speaker 5: if it's the most absurd, ridiculous shit you have ever
Speaker 5: heard in your life. As long as you make them
Speaker 5: feel important, special, Uh, nobody else is like you, You're
Speaker 5: chosen stuff like this, you you're you got them that.
Speaker 5: I should start a cold actually, just to show how
Speaker 5: easy it is.
Speaker 4: As long as you're promising superpowers or magical powers are goods.
Speaker 3: My first.
Speaker 1: I don't want any superpowers.
Speaker 5: Well, think about this. Think about this. The Heaven's Gate cult, right,
Speaker 5: they got their members, they did whatever they were going
Speaker 5: to do. They convinced them they were chosen and special
Speaker 5: and that they were going to ascend into this UFO
Speaker 5: and all this stuff. And one of the last things
Speaker 5: that was asked of them is to castrate themselves. And
Speaker 5: that's when a couple of them walked away, but a
Speaker 5: lot of them did it. They castrated themselves.
Speaker 3: Because they believed it.
Speaker 5: Yes, I mean, this is psychopathy out.
Speaker 3: It's because even like with Aldrete, she fell in love with,
Speaker 3: or supposedly fell in love with, Adolpho, and even though
Speaker 3: he consummated the relationship, he was straight up told her
Speaker 3: that he was gay, that he preferred men, and she
Speaker 3: literally like she wasn't okay with it, but that she
Speaker 3: believed in the religion. What okay?
Speaker 5: So I mean, so did he say that before or
Speaker 5: after her after? Well that is like, hey didn't. So
Speaker 5: he broke her up with her boyfriend to have sex
Speaker 5: and to then tell her he was.
Speaker 3: He apparently like completely brainwashed her with his whole religion thing.
Speaker 3: And they said, like her friends said, she became like
Speaker 3: an overnight expert about light and dark and bruheria and
Speaker 3: all kinds of witchcraft or whatever, and was espousing all
Speaker 3: kinds of whatever. And this suppose to this girl was
Speaker 3: you know, very bright, you know, it was making all
Speaker 3: kinds of great grades and whatever. And then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden it just like complete night and day. Another
Speaker 3: thing is that one of the Ananda's family members was
Speaker 3: going to the same college she was going to as well.
Speaker 3: I mean it was right there on Brown, So everybody
Speaker 3: was going there but Brown Browns fail. Yeah. The the
Speaker 3: other thing is that to JJ's point, when the Interpol
Speaker 3: guy commits suicide, this is at the that that point
Speaker 3: when the cult members kidnap Olvidio Ernandez and his two
Speaker 3: year old son, and they basically stage a kidnapping and
Speaker 3: that whole ransom situation. Let me perform this blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: and that about a month later is when the Interpol
Speaker 3: guy commits suicide. I think at that point he was
Speaker 3: like I'm out, Like this is too much. I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe not, or maybe they extracted him and it was
Speaker 3: like that that's all we need, thank you. Your pension
Speaker 3: is in the mail.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I don't know. I just there's so many
Speaker 5: aspects to this, because I did want to mention this
Speaker 5: other one too, this did you come across this Juarez
Speaker 5: cult branch too? Like it was? It was excavated not
Speaker 5: long after they busted Adolfo, and it's the same it's
Speaker 5: the same shit because it was located on the US border,
Speaker 5: so right there on plain sight. It was actually within
Speaker 5: sight of the US border. So they excavated and exhumed
Speaker 5: three hundred bodies from the Juarez ranch, including twenty two
Speaker 5: missing US citizens and a number of former FBI and
Speaker 5: DEA informants. And there were actually a possible three more
Speaker 5: burial grounds that they didn't even excavate. And no one
Speaker 5: wants to be honest about how these cult ranches and
Speaker 5: the government are connected except for us obviously. But it's
Speaker 5: like one of those hard luck cult stories you hear.
Speaker 5: It's like there were all these ranches in Mexico and
Speaker 5: all these freaking bodies all over the place, crazy Mexicans,
Speaker 5: and then you find out it's like, well, a lot
Speaker 5: of the victims were very specifically chosen. They they knew
Speaker 5: about each other. Henry Lee Lucas, who had barely had
Speaker 5: one tooth hanging in the front, knew about them how
Speaker 5: like how to like come on, it's like this is
Speaker 5: for sure connected to each other in some way.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Well, there's a lot of American influence, right,
Speaker 4: I mean you're talking about all these MK ultra kind
Speaker 4: of mind control, assassin kind of experiments going on down
Speaker 4: there with these cults. Well there's a cult down there,
Speaker 4: just in our modern times, still doing it still down
Speaker 4: there in the same state of Mexico as these activities
Speaker 4: right there in Monterey, the Nexium cult. In fact, they've
Speaker 4: been engaged with all these drug cartels down.
Speaker 1: There as well. If you recall the little Baron Mormon
Speaker 1: disaster m you.
Speaker 3: Know, one of the things with this one constanto, they
Speaker 3: were all male. The victims were all male, sure, which
Speaker 3: brings me back to SFK right, and from what I
Speaker 3: understood that they were, I mean they were targeted, right,
Speaker 3: they were specific. One of the things that you mentioned,
Speaker 3: Julia with the Wuarez, majority of those are female, So there.
Speaker 5: Is that as well.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to say
Speaker 3: all all of them, but majority, but at least the
Speaker 3: ones with Costando they were all male.
Speaker 5: That is interesting.
Speaker 3: His I hate to say it, but the process of
Speaker 3: it is he would torture them, he would automize them
Speaker 3: before killing them, and then he would remove specific body
Speaker 3: parts to be used in his cauldron.
Speaker 5: Which makes sense because he's gay. And I'm sure he
Speaker 5: didn't get anything out of that for himself. I mean,
Speaker 5: it just it stacks up to be too much. And
Speaker 5: this was I mentioned it. I can't remember which episode
Speaker 5: I mentioned it in. But they had all these like
Speaker 5: shanty towns and all these factories and stuff, and these
Speaker 5: people would come into work and they would get their
Speaker 5: picture taken and they thought it was like picture day
Speaker 5: at the factory, and they didn't know they were getting
Speaker 5: put in like a catalog and like auctioned off for
Speaker 5: like these rituals and stuff. Women you know, vulnerable that
Speaker 5: were just trying to like make a living to support
Speaker 5: their families and living in like absolute destitution, and they
Speaker 5: would get auctioned off. Them and their kids even would
Speaker 5: get auctioned off, and men too, I'm sure, but it's
Speaker 5: just sad. And it's before I read books like Program
Speaker 5: to Kill, I probably wouldn't even put the pieces together,
Speaker 5: if I'm being honest. I had heard about Adolpho before
Speaker 5: because he was on an episode of like Forensic Files
Speaker 5: or some stupid shit like that. But until you really
Speaker 5: get to dig in on the underneath part, you don't
Speaker 5: suspect that there's a big connection, like a spider web
Speaker 5: going on.
Speaker 3: Well, in speaking of mental manipulation, you know, while that
Speaker 3: Nick kind of has something on this. But so Alderette
Speaker 3: was in charge of indoctrinating the followers, and she would
Speaker 3: make them watch a specific movie over and over and
Speaker 3: over and over and over all day long, every day
Speaker 3: unless they were killing. And so what was the movie?
Speaker 5: You know what it was?
Speaker 2: The Believers?
Speaker 5: The Believers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a nineteen eighty seven Canadian American neo
Speaker 2: nor thriller horror nor film directed by John Schlessinger, starring
Speaker 2: Martin Sheen, Robert Loga, and Helen Shaver, and it's based
Speaker 2: on the nineteen eighty two novel The Religion by Nicholas
Speaker 2: Conde Nicholas Condy frost Off. Just to get off the
Speaker 2: bat with that. That is actually two different people's names.
Speaker 2: Nicholas Conde is a name for two authors, Robert Rosenblum
Speaker 2: and Robert Nathan. Nothing crazy on that, but it is
Speaker 2: a name for two different authors. In the movie, it
Speaker 2: explores the ritual sacrifice of children to appease the pantheon
Speaker 2: of Voodoo deities through the currently used practice of Santaia.
Speaker 2: The novel depicts the various deities persona is commonly seen
Speaker 2: in Santarea and attempts to explain the connection and differences
Speaker 2: between Santa Ria and Harri. Where have you seen that?
Speaker 2: In essence, novel shows that there is a difference between both,
Speaker 2: and that one is good and one it's bad. Whatever.
Speaker 2: The religion is huge, The religion is huge, complex, and
Speaker 2: living in our midst sacrifices must be made to save
Speaker 2: the world, so they believe. Anthropologist Carl Jamison intends to
Speaker 2: study Santaia, trying and then trying to help a new
Speaker 2: York cop discover the killers of several children. He gets
Speaker 2: in over his head and finds his seven year old son,
Speaker 2: Chris in jeopardy. So that's kind of like a little
Speaker 2: thing about.
Speaker 5: Have you watched it anybody?
Speaker 2: No? No, no one. Thing I did I think was interesting. Uh,
Speaker 2: Mark Frost was involved with the screenplay. He did. He
Speaker 2: did Twin Peaks with David Lynch. So, like I would say,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, those guys are o cultest. Now I'm
Speaker 2: not saying any anything bad or anything good about him,
Speaker 2: but I do think he is And uh is this Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds like a wild movie.
Speaker 3: Apparently it was like the first slasher film type or
Speaker 3: horror film to come out to kind of talk about
Speaker 3: that whole aspect right neck or something.
Speaker 5: Yes, And then this guy's this guy's poor Emilio. I mean,
Speaker 5: you can only imagine what his kids went through. I'm serious,
Speaker 5: because the other one is a complete in total rapist,
Speaker 5: among other things. And I mean, I wonder what other
Speaker 5: movies this guy has has done. John what was his name,
Speaker 5: schle Schleschenberg, Yes, Schlessinger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do have a little bit on him too.
Speaker 2: I don't have I didn't take down I know he
Speaker 2: did Sunday. Sunday, that's one of them. He it is
Speaker 2: is directed.
Speaker 5: By John Good. If you ask me.
Speaker 2: John Slessinger. He's an English film and stage director and actor.
Speaker 2: He emerged in the early nineteen sixties amongst the British
Speaker 2: New Wave and that's a style of filming. Before a
Speaker 2: successful career in Hollywood, Oh he was often directing films
Speaker 2: dealing in provocative subject matter. He was also one of
Speaker 2: the rare openly gay directors working in mainstream films. He
Speaker 2: was born and raised in Hampstead, London, in a Jewish family.
Speaker 2: After attaining after at ten year St. Edmund's School in
Speaker 2: hind Hindhead in Uppingham School, he enlisted in the British
Speaker 2: Army during World War Two. While serving with the Royal Engineers,
Speaker 2: he made films on the wars front line. He also
Speaker 2: entertained his fellow troops by performing magic tricks. After his
Speaker 2: tour of duty, he continued making short films and acted
Speaker 2: in stage productions while studying at Belloyle College in Oxford,
Speaker 2: where he was involved in the Oxford University Dramatic Society.
Speaker 2: One thing I do find interesting is his partner for
Speaker 2: over thirty years was photographer Michael Childers, if I'm saying
Speaker 2: that right, And he was like kind of did like art,
Speaker 2: and I think portraits and photography, and he had dealt
Speaker 2: with some people like Julie Christi, Catherine Denevie did I
Speaker 2: don't know to say that, Clint Eastwood, Richard Gear, Dennis Hopper,
Speaker 2: Rock Hudson, Grace Jones, Sirley Maclain, Gratcho, Marx, Demi Moore,
Speaker 2: Paul Newman, Lawrence Olivier, Michelle Fife, for John Travolta, Andy Wohole,
Speaker 2: May West, and Natalie Wood some of them.
Speaker 4: What are mostly comprised of scientologists and process members.
Speaker 2: And they interjected, well, when I saw Andy Wahhole, I knew,
Speaker 2: I knew that was one of one of the two
Speaker 2: are probably with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was like I was like.
Speaker 3: This is weird, the famous the famous Andy Warhol picture
Speaker 3: he took that Childiers.
Speaker 5: Have you guys heard me talking about how I have
Speaker 5: this weird thing about the eight and like, I think
Speaker 5: it's a cult and they use it for specific things,
Speaker 5: ritualistic date August. One of the movies this Slashenberg did
Speaker 5: is called Visions of eight Oh, and it says August
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy two, and then it says capture what the
Speaker 5: naked eye cannot see. So that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: He also did Marathon Man with Dustin Hoffman, filmed at
Speaker 4: the adjacent property to the Processed church headquarters there in
Speaker 4: the Pound Ridge of New York, right in the preceding
Speaker 4: months of The Sun of Sam Murders, produced by none
Speaker 4: other than Cocaine Bob Evans.
Speaker 1: Of course nice.
Speaker 3: That was done in New York, for sure.
Speaker 5: He's got a couple on here. Eye for an Eye Pacific. Yeah, so, Nick, Yeah,
Speaker 5: it is because I like to do this kind of
Speaker 5: thing because I feel so the guy who this is
Speaker 5: totally off the subject. But this is why it's important,
Speaker 5: is because it's it's multi layered. You would think, like
Speaker 5: the movie Harry and the Henderson's, you wouldn't be able
Speaker 5: to find anything about that, you know, but then you
Speaker 5: really get to looking in. And that was the first
Speaker 5: kid friendly movie that that director had made. The one
Speaker 5: he made before that was about a guy who was
Speaker 5: raping on this like twelve year old girl and how
Speaker 5: she she was like promiscuous and she just loved it
Speaker 5: and was like rape on me?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 5: And it was like, is it really his fault? Because
Speaker 5: she wanted it. That's the first movie he made. Then
Speaker 5: he made Harry and the Henderson's because that didn't go
Speaker 5: over too well. So, I mean, and then I found
Speaker 5: all this stuff in Harry and the Henderson's, me and
Speaker 5: and my friend Drew from You're Missing the Point podcast.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've ever heard of him, but yeah,
Speaker 5: we did that one together. And there's a lot in
Speaker 5: there actually, And so when you do look at the
Speaker 5: directors and what they're into and their side projects and stuff.
Speaker 5: That movie I think was called ninfho Maniac that he
Speaker 5: made before Harry and the Henderson's. So if you really
Speaker 5: get to looking into that stuff, you can find all
Speaker 5: I mean, maybe she even Spielberg, huh maybe.
Speaker 2: Like furry shit, that's how you went from that to
Speaker 2: Harry and the Henderson's.
Speaker 5: Like you, who fucking knows. I think the even the
Speaker 5: idea of like this cryptid joining your family and that
Speaker 5: you know, he's the good guy and he's soft and
Speaker 5: gentle and he loves puppies and whatever, and then you
Speaker 5: go out and you meet a real bigfoot and he
Speaker 5: tears your clid off. I mean, like I've heard terrible stories.
Speaker 2: That's fucking impressive.
Speaker 5: Well, it's like, as far as I know, bigfoots are
Speaker 5: not nice and they will legitimately kill you, and they
Speaker 5: come from like other dimensions and shit.
Speaker 2: Well, going by the size of them, they could pretty
Speaker 2: much just kill you. Just from that.
Speaker 5: You know they're they're not all hairy in the Hendersons.
Speaker 5: But I say all that to say that that stuck
Speaker 5: out to me when you said that, because watching a
Speaker 5: movie over and over again, specific movie, specific director, what
Speaker 5: are they into?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 3: All?
Speaker 5: Means something like what if somebody was like, you have
Speaker 5: to watch Stanley Kubrick movies all day, I'd be into it.
Speaker 5: But there's a lot of stuff in there right.
Speaker 4: Well, the next sem mk ULTRNE that was going down
Speaker 4: out of there, out of Monterey, Mexico at least, and
Speaker 4: in Albany, apparently Albany, New York, they were showing snuff
Speaker 4: films of apparently some Mexican folks getting murdered. So I
Speaker 4: don't know if they're filling them down there in the compound.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's one of these other you know,
Speaker 4: nearby colts that are getting the films from. But you know,
Speaker 4: It makes you wonder no one really tracks those things down.
Speaker 4: The doctor loses his license froom kulturing folks. But you
Speaker 4: know this is just ten years ago. But you know,
Speaker 4: no one really tracks down where's the snuf films? Who
Speaker 4: are these victims?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: You know? Right?
Speaker 4: But imagine that playing that on a loop. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's got to do some damage.
Speaker 5: That's what Michael Aquino was doing to those kids at
Speaker 5: the presidio.
Speaker 1: It's dark, yeah, little dark for sure.
Speaker 3: One of the things that I kind of wanted to
Speaker 3: mention is the whole kill Roy incident, so prior to
Speaker 3: Kilroy incident in March of nineteen eighty nine, from New
Speaker 3: Year's Day of nineteen eighty nine to When't go Messing
Speaker 3: March thirteenth.
Speaker 5: Or something, it was something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was mid March. From that point in just
Speaker 3: Matamotos there was already sixty missing cases, so it's like
Speaker 3: less than three months. What is that the person a
Speaker 3: day wow, And there was no warning, no warning issued.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was like, hey be careful when you
Speaker 3: go down there. It wasn't that I remember because I
Speaker 3: was here. But one of the things with Mark Hilrod,
Speaker 3: like you mentioned his uncle was Dea and his and
Speaker 3: his dad I believe held a patent to the precursor
Speaker 3: company to Honeywell, which so they were family. But the
Speaker 3: other thing is that they lived outside of Houston, and
Speaker 3: you know who also lived outside of Houston is set
Speaker 3: up being on this And when they captured him, you know,
Speaker 3: to do with this whole cult thing, he said that
Speaker 3: he had a hand in the kidnapping of Kilroy. And
Speaker 3: so you're like, oh, wait, does that mean that you
Speaker 3: stalked him? I mean, did you pre plan this?
Speaker 5: Does this?
Speaker 3: I mean, is that a nod to that? So you
Speaker 3: have that and then when you say, you know, did Costanza,
Speaker 3: you know, really die? Did he kill himself? Will you
Speaker 3: have the one of the guys that was with them
Speaker 3: that supposedly shot them because he didn't want to be
Speaker 3: taken alive. That when they pressed that guy about it,
Speaker 3: he tells him everything. He tells him what's been happening,
Speaker 3: the religion, the cult, all everything. But then at the
Speaker 3: end he tells law enforcement that the El Padrino won't
Speaker 3: be dead for long. I mean that could that could
Speaker 3: mean that he resurrects, or that you know, in the
Speaker 3: afterlife or what have you, or does that mean that
Speaker 3: he wakes up from his like pretend faking of the death.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: That was the boyfriend that right.
Speaker 3: No, it was the one of the assassins because he
Speaker 3: wanted to die with Martine. He didn't want to die
Speaker 3: with he like wanted to die with his lover, which
Speaker 3: was Martine.
Speaker 5: You're talking about in the closet. Yes, yeah, that's the
Speaker 5: literal literally, dude, they were found. Yeah, that's why. But
Speaker 5: this is this is part of the problem for me,
Speaker 5: is the bodies were so unrecognizable because it wasn't like
Speaker 5: we're just gonna open They were hiding out in the
Speaker 5: closet right from all the gunfire from from the police
Speaker 5: raid or whatever it was. And so it wasn't like
Speaker 5: he asked two of his members cult members to off
Speaker 5: them and be like, hey, shoot us both in the head.
Speaker 5: We don't go down for this, and it's like they're
Speaker 5: they're taking themselves out. You're not gonna get me, We'll
Speaker 5: take ourselves out kind of thing. Why were they so
Speaker 5: absolutely riddled with gunfire that they were to the point
Speaker 5: of being unrecognized. They shot their faces off, So I mean,
Speaker 5: was that really necessary? And then, like I said, they
Speaker 5: were spotted later. So it goes to my point that
Speaker 5: they probably those bodies were probably other people that they
Speaker 5: just kind of threw in there, and they said, oh,
Speaker 5: this is Adolpho and his boyfriend.
Speaker 3: But then when you bring up like an excellent point
Speaker 3: that kind of jogged in memory, is that so they
Speaker 3: talk about that there was a firefight and it lasted
Speaker 3: for forty five minutes. Yet no one was injured, no
Speaker 3: one not I mean maybe like a grazing of a bullet,
Speaker 3: but there was no mortal infliction. The only mortality was
Speaker 3: Adolpho and Quindana. But when they found them that they
Speaker 3: were wearing shorts, like if they were going to the beach.
Speaker 3: If you're hiding, why are you going to go to
Speaker 3: the beach?
Speaker 5: Well, and that's just because you know, maybe they've got
Speaker 5: two randos off the street. I brought them back and
Speaker 5: they were vacationing, and they brought them back to the
Speaker 5: apartment and shut their faces off and said, this is
Speaker 5: a Dolpho and my boyfriend. Like and the whole thing too,
Speaker 5: because he'd want to run away with his boyfriend, is
Speaker 5: that the boyfriend would have to also be assumed dead.
Speaker 5: So in case, you know, so imagine, like I get
Speaker 5: true love and all that, but if it was even
Speaker 5: me and Colby and he was like, we're both gonna
Speaker 5: go down for this, Let's get in this closet and
Speaker 5: get our head shot off together, I'd be like, I'll
Speaker 5: take my chances. But if that's what you want to do,
Speaker 5: I mean, there's no way you can convince me to
Speaker 5: get my head shot off just because we're in a relationship.
Speaker 5: I mean, the levels of absurdity to this, and I
Speaker 5: compared it to way Go because they said that there
Speaker 5: was like a forty five minute gun battle between the
Speaker 5: cult members and the police, yet no one was injured.
Speaker 5: And if you look at actual standoffs Ruby Ridge, Waco,
Speaker 5: these are actual standoffs. You got a definite body count there.
Speaker 5: I mean within the first like five minutes of Waco, Uh,
Speaker 5: David Koresh was shot in the freaking stomach and like
Speaker 5: everybody's heads was exploded and ATF officers were laying all
Speaker 5: over the place. So did this gun battle even go down?
Speaker 5: Because if you're shooting at each other for forty five
Speaker 5: minutes and not one person is injured, that is suspicious
Speaker 5: to me on its own. And the only two people
Speaker 5: were that were injured? Were the ones who's the cult
Speaker 5: members went in there and shot their faces off? Like
Speaker 5: we're supposed to buy this, this is the story. I
Speaker 5: don't know. I don't know. Forty five minute gun battle
Speaker 5: and not a single right, not a single fatality, not
Speaker 5: a single I think the only one that they said
Speaker 5: was like a police officer got like his arm grazed
Speaker 5: or something like that.
Speaker 3: So and JJ correct me if I'm wrong. So you're
Speaker 3: in a gun battle for forty five minutes, no one's
Speaker 3: going into the room, right, because you're in a gun
Speaker 3: battle actively. Then you hear five shots going off, you
Speaker 3: assume it's still part of the gun battle. Why do
Speaker 3: you go into the room.
Speaker 4: It's a good question, Like it's a good question if
Speaker 4: round or something popped off, you really want want to
Speaker 4: walk into that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It seems like you're saying, how did they even get
Speaker 5: in there?
Speaker 3: Well, because they said that as soon as I think
Speaker 3: they named him El Dubai or something like that was
Speaker 3: a guy who supposedly killed Costanza and Quintana, and that
Speaker 3: law enforcement then like broke into the room because you know,
Speaker 3: quickly they heard something go off, and so they stormed
Speaker 3: into the room to find them in the closet, slumped
Speaker 3: over dead.
Speaker 5: That's where their faces shot off.
Speaker 4: Happened off the question these narratives, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 4: what's the objective evidence that there was this massive gun battle?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Like you know what I mean, Like the whole thing,
Speaker 4: you know, the whole thing could just be you know,
Speaker 4: some sort of you know, fabrication.
Speaker 5: So the story part of this story, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 5: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Glorious, A real glorious affair, right, a glorious battle.
Speaker 5: Right, you know how it started? JJ, You're never gonna
Speaker 5: believe this shit. A police officer was responding to a
Speaker 5: call about a missing child, and he was investigating the
Speaker 5: apartment complex and just so happened to stumble upon these
Speaker 5: hideaway cult members who started firing at him, and he
Speaker 5: exchanged fire and forty five minute and called for backup,
Speaker 5: and then this hall ensued. But it was just so happened.
Speaker 5: He was responding to a call about a missing child
Speaker 5: and and stumbled upon these cult members.
Speaker 1: It's a sharp officer, he's a promotion.
Speaker 5: Right yeah. So I mean it's just the whole thing.
Speaker 5: To me, it's it's kind of like just part of
Speaker 5: the story.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it sounds like you're right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And it's sometimes I even think about like
Speaker 5: Laurel Canyon people. I said this on our Laurel Canyon episode,
Speaker 5: and I said, what if they're not the badass? You know,
Speaker 5: they make up these stories behind the character to make
Speaker 5: them more interesting and make people like them, Like even
Speaker 5: Jim Morrison, and they've made him so interesting over the years.
Speaker 5: But what if the real story is he grew up
Speaker 5: on a military base and he was this spoiled brat,
Speaker 5: piece of shit kid, and he was given then, you know,
Speaker 5: his assignment, and he carried it out and he just
Speaker 5: got high and fucked bitches and sang songs that made
Speaker 5: no sense at all to a lot of people. And
Speaker 5: this is and he became this celebrity and he would
Speaker 5: scream at people, you're all slaves and retards. But we
Speaker 5: all idolize him and we think he's great because he's
Speaker 5: this you know, celebrity of sorts, this musician. But how
Speaker 5: much of it is a fabrication. A lot of these
Speaker 5: Laurel Canyon guys are just spoiled military shitheads.
Speaker 4: I think that's the best way to look at Morrison
Speaker 4: a lot of those characters. You know, you look at
Speaker 4: Morrison's words himself. He does an interview and I think
Speaker 4: sixty seven, so at the height of his fame, and
Speaker 4: he's asked whatever talk show was, where do you see yourself.
Speaker 1: In ten years?
Speaker 4: And he said, hopefully I, you know, disappear into court
Speaker 4: some sort of corporate America.
Speaker 1: What the hell is he?
Speaker 5: Right? And it's like, is he really? Did he ever
Speaker 5: really die? You know? They came up with a great
Speaker 5: story he was in France in a bathtub or some
Speaker 5: shit like that, But I wasn't there. I didn't. I'd
Speaker 5: like that, can you can you produce a corpse please?
Speaker 5: Because I need to see it exactly.
Speaker 3: It's definitely like you wonder if all of this was contrived?
Speaker 1: You know, I do, certainly, you know.
Speaker 3: And that's the other thing that so Nick, you were
Speaker 3: saying you had told me about how the actual movie
Speaker 3: professed this whole satanic thing, right, And it's like, did
Speaker 3: it push the satanic panic? Because this what kind of
Speaker 3: introduces it to the seitgeist. And the reason I say
Speaker 3: this is because and this is probably not a popular
Speaker 3: thing to say, but these are my two cents, right,
Speaker 3: So in in Program to Kill It talks about how
Speaker 3: most of this stuff being offered to Satan where they
Speaker 3: were Satanic rituals. Yet these religions have nothing to do
Speaker 3: with Jesus, the Fall of Man and Lucifer falling Abrahammick.
Speaker 3: So Satan's I'm even a character in any of these rituals.
Speaker 3: So to kind of press or to kind of bring
Speaker 3: in the word Satan is a tad bit like intellectually disingenuous,
Speaker 3: because it's not Satan, right, am I wrong?
Speaker 5: They love to advertise it that way, though, don't they least?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean it's I think I think
Speaker 3: it begs a closer look, just saying just a little bit.
Speaker 5: They are, well, that's the thing too, is I was
Speaker 5: actually going to say that because I'm making Colby watch
Speaker 5: the Chilling Tales of Sabrina on Netflix because I think
Speaker 5: it's just riddled with occultism. But she goes, I don't
Speaker 5: want to be a part of the Church of Night
Speaker 5: because I'm not evil, and I don't want to worship Satan,
Speaker 5: And they're, well, Satan isn't evil. He is the embodiment
Speaker 5: of free will. And that's how they sell it to
Speaker 5: her is he's not good or evil, He's just the
Speaker 5: embodiment of free will. If you if you, if you
Speaker 5: demonize something as being satanic, and you feed that to
Speaker 5: the public, and you give them this evil satan pitchfork horns,
Speaker 5: that's where they'll look instead of looking further like the
Speaker 5: process like Alistair Crowley, like do as thou wilt, like
Speaker 5: this is free This is where it's all part of
Speaker 5: free will. Right, we can do these things because we
Speaker 5: are our own masters. That's the actual crux of it
Speaker 5: all is that it all comes from this Crowley idea
Speaker 5: of like be your own master and do as thou
Speaker 5: will and free will. Shit, it's they're looking for this
Speaker 5: pitchfork and horns person when they really should be looking
Speaker 5: over here at the real crux of it.
Speaker 3: And by no means am I like, you know, like
Speaker 3: for the whole satan thing. I'm obviously not.
Speaker 5: Oh well, definitely me neither. But that's how they that's
Speaker 5: how they market it.
Speaker 3: I think that's exactly it, Julia, Like you hit the
Speaker 3: nail on the head. They had to market it to
Speaker 3: the American Christian people, and the War on drugs was
Speaker 3: the way for Satanists to make money because all these
Speaker 3: cartels are Satanists and therefore drugs are bad. And so
Speaker 3: it somewhat unified the people in the eighties on this
Speaker 3: whole war on drugs, when in reality, what they were
Speaker 3: doing is cleaning house in Mexico and selecting which cartels
Speaker 3: they wanted to work for so that it could streamline
Speaker 3: and pipeline more money into the coffers, as they did
Speaker 3: with Pablos Covid in Colombia. So that's what I think happened.
Speaker 5: But well, it's the same people to do it if
Speaker 5: you look at it like this, Li. So this is
Speaker 5: what I think, and I've said this before, and out
Speaker 5: of all the spectrums of things, I would consider myself
Speaker 5: to Christian, but maybe not in the traditional sense of
Speaker 5: the word. But if you look at how they've used
Speaker 5: Christianity as an equal weapon for mass marketing, all they
Speaker 5: got to do is slap that brand on something for
Speaker 5: the American public and they'll eat it up too, because
Speaker 5: it's like when everything got divided, God chose a team
Speaker 5: and it happened to be America, and he don't give
Speaker 5: a fuck about anybody else, apparently, right, And so if
Speaker 5: you're running for a presidency or anything like that. All
Speaker 5: you got to do is slap this label on and
Speaker 5: this means something because it's marketed to us as something.
Speaker 5: And I think it's so funny because I have a
Speaker 5: lot of members of my family who are Christian and
Speaker 5: they were all big Trumpers and shit, And I'm like,
Speaker 5: can you tell me one thing he's done that's like
Speaker 5: christ like to you? I know, he wears this badge
Speaker 5: and like he's supposed to be the mascot now for Christianity,
Speaker 5: But like it's just so easy to people are so
Speaker 5: severely diluted with certain things. They push this Satanic narrative
Speaker 5: the same way they push the Christian narrative. And it's
Speaker 5: like I said, God apparently chose a team, and it's America,
Speaker 5: and we're constantly in this battle between Satanism and Christianity,
Speaker 5: it feels like, and it's marketed to us in that way,
Speaker 5: so we never figure out what's really going on.
Speaker 1: That's true. Now, I thought Donald Trump resurrected JFK. Junior.
Speaker 1: He didn't do that.
Speaker 3: I would love it.
Speaker 5: If he I would love it if he resurrected JFK. Junior.
Speaker 5: Since everybody's so convinced about that.
Speaker 1: Shit, right, I think that's vaguely.
Speaker 4: I think it's important the way you're all framed of
Speaker 4: how was market in America, because again, looking at the
Speaker 4: examples of these Satanist cults in America were at the
Speaker 4: four pie with their mash together Eastern mysticism or these
Speaker 4: examples of Buddhist statues Rich and Atlanta child killings and
Speaker 4: Sana sam rituals and you know, last time I checked Buddha,
Speaker 4: I'm not an expert on Satanism or Buddha, but you know,
Speaker 4: I don't think those two going you know, together very much.
Speaker 5: So they put Buddhist statues in conjunction with the Atlanta
Speaker 5: child murders.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a there's a private investigation report from a
Speaker 4: you know, big corporate kind of private investigation firm out
Speaker 4: of Manhattan that wrote report in the early eighties there,
Speaker 4: mid eighties regarding comparisons between the Son of Sam could
Speaker 4: activity and the Atlantic child killing cold activity. You know,
Speaker 4: just both having to be surrounded by the process. Sure coincidence,
Speaker 4: I'm sure, but you know, the in that report, it's
Speaker 4: noted that there was rituals in the rituals in both locations.
Speaker 4: They were incorporating a Buddhist.
Speaker 5: Statue and that was marketed as part of the investigation
Speaker 5: to the public.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a it's a public report. It's a report
Speaker 1: I could I can certainly share with them.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm just thinking that's to be part of the agenda.
Speaker 5: Then it's for people to think Buddhism is Satanic markets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it's as you were saying. I
Speaker 4: don't know it's market in that regard, but it is.
Speaker 4: I think the it's weird to call these things Satanism
Speaker 4: when that's obviously incorporated elements that has nothing to do
Speaker 4: with Christianity or.
Speaker 5: They love to do that though, but they put that
Speaker 5: stamp on there as fast as they can so people
Speaker 5: don't look at the CI fucking a. Do you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: It's it's us, It's it's not Satan Morshber's and I
Speaker 7: and I think like it's it's almost like a resurrection.
Speaker 3: And I'm I don't know if you're familiar with it.
Speaker 3: JJ is the whole incident with Geeka Marena and what
Speaker 3: happened to him in the seventies, And I felt like
Speaker 3: when we had the whole Kilroy thing that happened. It
Speaker 3: was like a rebirthing of that incident. And then you
Speaker 3: have Rafael Quindero that was extradited here like what week,
Speaker 3: that was brought over into the US, and we have
Speaker 3: a re emergence. I saw it, Yeah, I in a
Speaker 3: storyline all over again. So it's it. I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's almost like they're just recycling the torture to kind
Speaker 3: of keep the people indoctrinated.
Speaker 5: Mm hmmm. It is, because I'll go ahead, JJ no.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, no, those are great points, Lea,
Speaker 4: because that ties directly in what we're talking about. That
Speaker 4: guy who just that cartel leader just got stipped to
Speaker 4: the US. He's the one who's allegedly responsible for killing
Speaker 4: that de agent. It was murdered amongst these all this
Speaker 4: other mess right, you know. And again when Kilroyd's you know,
Speaker 4: connected to a DA family, you know, makes you wonder
Speaker 4: what all is going on throughout this whole mess exactly.
Speaker 5: They'll slap a Satanist on it as fast as they
Speaker 5: can so they don't look at the CIA.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and for those that if you're not familiar
Speaker 3: with Kiki Kaman and I, he was a D agent
Speaker 3: that was working down in Mexico, and he while he
Speaker 3: was there, it wasn't part of his task, but while
Speaker 3: he was there he found concrete evidence, emails, voss, all
Speaker 3: kinds of whatever for the CIA's involvement in drug trafficking
Speaker 3: to basically fund their operations with the Gondras, which was
Speaker 3: in Nicaragua, to the whole Iron Contra thing. Right, he
Speaker 3: found it, he reported it back, He's like, hey, I
Speaker 3: found something interesting. No, sooner and later Raphael picks him up.
Speaker 3: And I believe from what the testimony says is that
Speaker 3: kindo basically said your your people sold you out. They
Speaker 3: told us where to pick you up, and they told
Speaker 3: us what to do with you and so yeah, and
Speaker 3: so you have that whole kind of you know, reselling, repackaging, Like, no,
Speaker 3: that didn't happen. It's because you know, they're bad people
Speaker 3: down there.
Speaker 4: I just don't think this thing's ever stapped, right, So,
Speaker 4: looking at the logistics of these situations, that ranch that
Speaker 4: was rating where the DEA agent got himself into so
Speaker 4: much trouble, murdered there in the mix of all these
Speaker 4: other matamors, Madam Morris era cartel, you know murder Biz, Well,
Speaker 4: that that fella.
Speaker 1: That ranch just happens to be in the middle of
Speaker 1: all the Libaron Romney Mormon ranches colonies, so they came
Speaker 1: back to back to them.
Speaker 4: The li Barons were shipping babysitters to Albany and to
Speaker 4: a school over Monterey to babysit these Nexian kids. Right,
Speaker 4: they're the ones who got bombed by the cartels in
Speaker 4: about ten, ten, twelve years ago now. But I'm saying
Speaker 4: these wars are continuing on amongst in the same exact
Speaker 4: area with the cartels, and you know, with you know,
Speaker 4: at least with you know, various cold activities down there
Speaker 4: that you know could be called satanic. But to call
Speaker 4: these Mexican drug cartels, I'm kind of stop using the
Speaker 4: term Mexican in front of that because, you know, as
Speaker 4: you're saying, this guy's getting transported to the US for charges.
Speaker 4: They just busted a Sineloa cartel leader in Idaho last week,
Speaker 4: just got sentenced. So Nola has been all over Ohio
Speaker 4: in recent years. The Hernandez cartel was as far north
Speaker 4: as Michigan, So you know, to call these Mexican drug cartails,
Speaker 4: they may as well just be American drug cartels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, I will say that most of the most
Speaker 3: of the children of the drug lords, they're educated in
Speaker 3: the US. They come over here and get educated and
Speaker 3: then are sent back. So I mean they have almost
Speaker 3: I guess, dual citizenship you could say, I mean or
Speaker 3: like some side of student visa or what have you.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean they're coming back and forth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then the Mexican folks, they're far stronger in Mexico
Speaker 4: and they were in America. They incorporated numerous elements of
Speaker 4: uh you know, numerous president's sons of Mexico. In fact,
Speaker 4: President Salinas who was president during this whole era of
Speaker 4: all this Matam Morris and other d agent's getting mrked.
Speaker 4: He was the president of Mexico at the time. His
Speaker 4: son was like, we're near's number two guy, and you
Speaker 4: know number one due to Mexico.
Speaker 1: Mexican. That's so great.
Speaker 5: It's all connected, dude, Did you guys have anything else? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Fuck Adolpho, asshole. I'm glad we did this part too,
Speaker 5: because it's like even more stuff came out than I
Speaker 5: wasn't even expecting very much.
Speaker 3: This is great.
Speaker 2: Nothing makes sense with this. It's not black and white
Speaker 2: like it was presented in my opinion right right, Well,
Speaker 2: thank you all. I really had a blast. That was
Speaker 2: great and the chat was awesome tonight too real, quick again, Julia,
Speaker 2: let everybody know where they can find you, please.
Speaker 5: I feel like tonight was such a group effort. I
Speaker 5: shouldn't even take credit for any of this shit. I mean,
Speaker 5: JJ and Lisa were on fire. I loved it. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I have the Cosmic Peach podcast wherever you listen. If
Speaker 5: you want extra stuff, you can find me on Patreon.
Speaker 5: The subscription is College Room two three seven. There's no
Speaker 5: tears or anything. You pay one price, you get it all.
Speaker 5: I feel like that's fair. And I want to start
Speaker 5: a show with Colby and that I'll put on the
Speaker 5: Patreon two called The Killer Room. But I've been dragging
Speaker 5: my feet on it because I don't know. When you
Speaker 5: try to start a new show and get other people
Speaker 5: involved in two schedules and everything else is hard. But
Speaker 5: maybe it'll it'll come into being eventually, and I'm kind
Speaker 5: of excited about that because we'll be covering a lot
Speaker 5: like stuff we did today, colts and murders and just
Speaker 5: weird stuff like that. But I'm kind of just riding
Speaker 5: the whole cult rejects wave right now. And I'm enjoying
Speaker 5: that too. I've already learned a lot from the couple
Speaker 5: of shows i've been on.
Speaker 2: Good I'm glad it's been a bless having you.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jjvans, what's up man? Let everybody know what
Speaker 2: they can find you.
Speaker 4: JJ Van's host of Operation GCD, not the vice president.
Speaker 1: Nick.
Speaker 4: Always appreciate the invite. Lisa Julia a great conversation as
Speaker 4: well here this evening. I always enjoy the conversations, and
Speaker 4: I too learned a lot here in regards to this,
Speaker 4: and it's making the next point there a moment ago,
Speaker 4: this was you know, even in the Program to Kill
Speaker 4: version of these things. This is that was far more
Speaker 4: vanilla than what is really going on in this situation.
Speaker 4: And no disrespect himc Goowan, because a lot of this
Speaker 4: information that seemed to have come out since he you know,
Speaker 4: he made that work. But it's nice to see some
Speaker 4: of his work, you know, the evolution of some of
Speaker 4: the ideas he put forth.
Speaker 2: I love it, I love it, I play did you
Speaker 2: play you show already? Oh?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean halfway so Operation GCD Live Wednesday's seven
Speaker 4: pm TwixT for YouTube and Rumble Tomorrow night got Jonathan
Speaker 4: Mitchell talking Son of Sam stuff and actually next week
Speaker 4: talking process stuff. So kind of you know, along these
Speaker 4: same lines, we're talking at night and uh Fridays with
Speaker 4: the Occult Rejects, Nick with the Cult Rejects Fridays at
Speaker 4: nine pm.
Speaker 1: Ye, definitely, and Ron Ron on this Friday.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, we're talking I to whole four right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tough man to get ahold of that Ron for
Speaker 1: New England.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I've actually had people comments on the YouTube's
Speaker 2: I think was neither YouTube or even like DMS or something.
Speaker 2: I've had multiple people hit me up recently asking when
Speaker 2: are we actually going to talk thea for that's ida?
Speaker 5: Who for Y know what that is?
Speaker 2: It's a true crime that makes zero zero sense?
Speaker 5: Oh can I be on it? No, just kidding.
Speaker 2: I mean if you're around thinking, yeah, no, definitely you
Speaker 2: should look into that. You should look into that will Actually, yeah,
Speaker 2: it makes no sense. I I have looked at a
Speaker 2: few things that I think slightly a cult. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's too blatantly a cult, but it's nothing makes
Speaker 2: fucking sense. It's very weird, that's for sure. Yeah. And uh,
Speaker 2: last but not least, Lisa, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: I very much enjoyed this. Initially, the conception was Julia
Speaker 3: talked about this on her Cosmic Peak podcast Peach podcast,
Speaker 3: and I I mean it was like Nick, we got
Speaker 3: to get her on, and then luckily it was on
Speaker 3: JJ's show. So I'm thankful to JJ for allowing us
Speaker 3: to speak about it on his show. And then I'm
Speaker 3: thrilled and so honored to have had this conversation with
Speaker 3: both JJ and Julia because definitely OG's with this kind
Speaker 3: of information. You can bring in all of the true
Speaker 3: crime theory, all of the books that are out there,
Speaker 3: plus all of the current you know, pop culture type theory,
Speaker 3: and we kind of mess it all together and kind
Speaker 3: of have a really great conversation. So I'm very very honored.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on. Thank you very much
Speaker 3: for indulging me, so to speak.
Speaker 5: I love every minute of it.
Speaker 3: I did too, Thank you. I'm definitely I hope we
Speaker 3: do many more, for sure, and that we contribute to
Speaker 3: Like JJ said, we're contributing to the work and to
Speaker 3: the research and just building upon it and putting in
Speaker 3: you know, thoughts and hopefully something comes a bit later.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much again, and also a quote research
Speaker 3: into dot org and that's it.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, and again, thank you all. This
Speaker 2: was an amazing, amazing show. I was really looking forward
Speaker 2: to it and this was ten times better than I
Speaker 2: ever could imagine. I always say a little all the time,
Speaker 2: but for real, for real, I had a blast, and
Speaker 2: uh yeah with the three of use it was great.
Speaker 2: And the chat again, thank you everybody in the chat.
Speaker 2: That's what's up. That's why I went live. I had
Speaker 2: a feeling it'd be a good one. Thank you all.
Speaker 2: I really look forward to like seeing you guys again
Speaker 2: in the next one. And until the next one, everybody
Speaker 2: be well later.