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Speaker 1: in Ireland and indeed beyond. Welcome to Scary Era.
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Speaker 1: Mark Manning in association with Paranormal Radio UK. Welcome to Scary.
Speaker 1: Time to grab that coffee or pour that glass of wine.
Speaker 1: Today I'm proud to present for you at Dereka Cora Special.
Speaker 1: We all loved ourskouser Derek, and shortly we'll have the
Speaker 1: honor of being joined by his widow, Gwen, who I've
Speaker 1: just taken to in a big way because I find
Speaker 1: her so refreshing and down to earth. For those of
Speaker 1: you living on Mars, the late Derreka Cora was a
Speaker 1: British television personality. A psychic medium, someone who says they
Speaker 1: can communicate with spirits of the dead. He was best
Speaker 1: known for appearing on paranormal TV shows in the UK.
Speaker 1: Although well established and well known, he gained major popularity
Speaker 1: on the TV show Most Haunted, which aired from two
Speaker 1: thousand and two to two thousand and five. During his
Speaker 1: time on the program, the show followed a team investigating
Speaker 1: reportedly haunted locations around the UK and Ireland, and the
Speaker 1: States as well. Derek was, in my view, the master
Speaker 1: of sensing spirits and relaying messages from them, often entering
Speaker 1: trance like states. Now, if you think today I'm going
Speaker 1: to dig down and dirty about the whole Kiran O'Keeffe
Speaker 1: and the Creed Kaffer Gait controversy, well I'm not go
Speaker 1: google Kron o'keef and Derek Korra. If that's your thing,
Speaker 1: maybe someday we'll talk to Kiran O'Keeffe himself and ask
Speaker 1: him did he do that of his own volition or
Speaker 1: was he perhaps coerced into it? Either way, that's for
Speaker 1: him and his conscience to decide. For me, Derreka Cora
Speaker 1: was pure entertainment. No matter what you thought about him,
Speaker 1: he was a pure showman and entertainer, which are all
Speaker 1: needed to be a psychic medium. Worth watching now for
Speaker 1: those of you who like fact more than gossip. The
Speaker 1: main presenter of Most Haunted, A Vett Fielding, published her
Speaker 1: memoirs in twenty twenty four in which she made certain
Speaker 1: allegations about Derreka Korra. And it's only right that Gwenecora
Speaker 1: gets an opportunity to refute aforementioned allegations. And in this show, oh,
Speaker 1: you'll hear her doing exactly that. So stand by because
Speaker 1: she'd be joining us on the phone very shortly in
Speaker 1: her Liverpool home. And indeed you and I will be
Speaker 1: spending over an hour in Gwen's cozy company. But first, random, anonymous,
Speaker 1: strange but true.
Speaker 3: I stayed with my husband's family over one Christmas. I
Speaker 3: was pregnant at the time, so I went to bed
Speaker 3: early while the others stayed up playing cards. I woke
Speaker 3: up and saw my husband just standing at the side
Speaker 3: of the bed. I was about to say, what are
Speaker 3: you doing? Get in, but then I felt my husband
Speaker 3: lying next to me asleep. I know it wasn't a
Speaker 3: dream because I put my hand in his chest and
Speaker 3: felt him breathing. So a ghost of my husband was
Speaker 3: looking down at himself.
Speaker 4: I was so.
Speaker 3: Terrified I couldn't even speak, so I covered my head
Speaker 3: with a blanket and eventually fell back to sleep. The
Speaker 3: next day I started searching what could it mean? And
Speaker 3: there's an Irish paranormal phenomenon called a fetch. A fetch
Speaker 3: is basically a ghost or copy of a living person
Speaker 3: that means that either the person will die soon or
Speaker 3: have really good fortune, depending on the time of day
Speaker 3: that the fetch appears. Bad ermen at night, good Ermene
Speaker 3: in the morning. Unfortunately, I didn't check the time, so
Speaker 3: I have no idea if it was nighttime or the
Speaker 3: wee hours of the morning. He's still alive and kicking.
Speaker 3: But I was so paranoid. In the days after that,
Speaker 3: I hid the hoodie the fetch was wearing.
Speaker 5: Hum.
Speaker 6: When I was in school, I had a friend that
Speaker 6: lived in an estate that had a reputation of being
Speaker 6: the worst in the town. He told me that one
Speaker 6: of his neighbors had a pair of the Cursed Crying
Speaker 6: Child paintings in the house. I thought cool, so after
Speaker 6: school we went to see them. He took me to
Speaker 6: a house that looked derelict and knocked on the door.
Speaker 6: A spinly dirty person of indeterminate age and gender opened
Speaker 6: the door, and my friend said can we see the paintings?
Speaker 6: The person nodded and led us into the house. The
Speaker 6: house was damp and dirty and absolutely stank. There were
Speaker 6: no carpets and the rotten floorboards sagged as we walked
Speaker 6: on them. There were no lights, but in the dim
Speaker 6: hallway I could see the peeling wallpaper and dug shit
Speaker 6: on the floor. The resident opened a door under the
Speaker 6: stairs and took out two paintings and propped them against
Speaker 6: the wall, then immediately left the hall into a back room.
Speaker 6: As we looked at them, I could hear the person
Speaker 6: start to cry and shriek in the back room like
Speaker 6: It wasn't a supernatural occurrence, but it unexpectedly ended up
Speaker 6: in a near derelict house with someone who had psychiatric
Speaker 6: and possibly substance issues. I was about fourteen at the time,
Speaker 6: and twenty five years later I often think about how
Speaker 6: awful that person's life must have been.
Speaker 7: My old man had two stories from his old fella.
Speaker 7: So rural Ireland in the nineteen fifty was probably one
Speaker 7: hundred years behind the rest of Europe. It was very
Speaker 7: religious and very superstitious. The first involved him grand at
Speaker 7: cycling home from his firm laborer job. It was late
Speaker 7: and dark, and when he was passing by a corner
Speaker 7: he saw an open coffin by the side of the road.
Speaker 7: Slightly freaked out, he went over and looked in to
Speaker 7: see his young, just married daughter inside, and then it
Speaker 7: was gone. He rushed home to find out his daughter
Speaker 7: had passed away a short time earlier. The exact time
Speaker 7: he would have seen the coffin the second story was
Speaker 7: when he and his siblings would be lying in bed
Speaker 7: at night. They would hear the fiddle being taken down
Speaker 7: and the table being set, and then the sound of
Speaker 7: people talking and drinking. I didn't know my grandfather. He
Speaker 7: died when I was very young, but I suspect that
Speaker 7: the first story might be due to a man who,
Speaker 7: from the stories I've heard, suffered from severe PTSD from
Speaker 7: his time in the trenches in the Somme. But the
Speaker 7: second story, as I got older, I realized it was
Speaker 7: probably just his parents having a party and not wanting
Speaker 7: the kids annoying them. Said this to my old fellow, though,
Speaker 7: who was not impressed.
Speaker 1: Well, this is scary era, And for those of you
Speaker 1: who don't know what era means, it's the Irish word
Speaker 1: for Ireland, and of course A dearly beloved city very
Speaker 1: close to Ireland is Liverpool, and a whole Derek chorus
Speaker 1: story begins in Liverpool. We're going to start relating to
Speaker 1: you now because I have his widow Gwen on the line.
Speaker 4: Good evening to you, Gwen, Good evening, Mark.
Speaker 1: Do you know I could probably throw a stone from
Speaker 1: my studio wup across the Irish Sea and hit your house.
Speaker 5: Possibly, yes you could. It doesn't take long to get
Speaker 5: between the two cities.
Speaker 1: And of course Derek had an affinity for the Irish.
Speaker 5: I think absolutely yes he did. He did because his
Speaker 5: family on both sides had Irish links, as I do myself.
Speaker 1: Really, do you know what part of Ireland they're from?
Speaker 5: I don't know what to pass violand Derek's family came from,
Speaker 5: but my links were Northern Irish.
Speaker 1: Ah. My good lady is is a Belfast woman herself.
Speaker 1: So there you go. And actually you have right, you
Speaker 1: have the same coloring. You know, you've got that lovely
Speaker 1: hair together. I just thought i'd mentioned that put me
Speaker 1: in the good books as well with the missus. Who
Speaker 1: knows how big an admirer I want to say, admirer
Speaker 1: of Derek akra I was because I think if you
Speaker 1: say you're.
Speaker 5: A fan, Derek hated the words fan himself. He preferred
Speaker 5: to refer to them mis friends.
Speaker 1: Actually, before we go into this which I believe is
Speaker 1: a big, rich tapestry containing life, look love the paranormal.
Speaker 1: It was a big thing rather than just the whole
Speaker 1: taunted thing that you hear about all the time.
Speaker 5: And that's what was most taunted. Was only a brief,
Speaker 5: a brief moment in time as far as Derek's life
Speaker 5: was confirmed.
Speaker 1: Of course, and it was such a life, and we're
Speaker 1: going to go through it. So I don't want to
Speaker 1: just you know, dump into that end of things, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, it's all been said and kind of done
Speaker 1: and dusted. We of course we'll address it, but I'm
Speaker 1: not going to make it the focal point of our
Speaker 1: chat because I have got when a Korra talking to me,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's a big thing for me. I
Speaker 1: have a picture of Derek in my studio. I can
Speaker 1: feel Derek telling me not to be such a prass.
Speaker 1: But it was just the way I felt, you know.
Speaker 1: So look, let's just get on. It's the sixth anniversary
Speaker 1: only recently.
Speaker 4: Let's just get that bit out of January.
Speaker 1: So close to Christmas and everything. It was tragic. So
Speaker 1: can I just bring you back there so we address
Speaker 1: it and get it out of the way. What happened?
Speaker 1: You both became in to take it from there.
Speaker 5: Yes, we both had flu. What we didn't know and
Speaker 5: what nobody knew at that point in time, was it
Speaker 5: was such a virulent strain of flu. People had been
Speaker 5: calling ill since October. I can remember when Derek did
Speaker 5: his Halloween event and people then were ill. They had
Speaker 5: to cancel and this sort of thing. And we tottered
Speaker 5: through to Christmas. We were vine, and then the day
Speaker 5: after Boxing Day we both started feeling quite ill. Well
Speaker 5: but not in a cold source of way. It was
Speaker 5: a fluey type of thing. We were supposed to be
Speaker 5: going out on New Year's Eve to celebrate, but we
Speaker 5: canceled and on New Year's Day Derek hands went white.
Speaker 5: He was really ill. We were both ill, but he
Speaker 5: was really ill. And so I telephoned Ray, who was
Speaker 5: Derek's tour manager and driver and friend, and he fulfilled
Speaker 5: everything for Derek on the road, and because I felt
Speaker 5: so dreadfully on myself, I asked him whether he would
Speaker 5: take Derek to hospital, which he did, and when he
Speaker 5: came back from the hospital he told me that Derek
Speaker 5: had been put into a medical coma. I didn't quite
Speaker 5: understand why that would be, because he wasn't gasping for
Speaker 5: breath or anything like that. It was just he was ill,
Speaker 5: and obviously there was something radically wrong if his blood
Speaker 5: was sort of rushing towards the center of his body
Speaker 5: more than his extremities. And so at one o'clock in
Speaker 5: the morning of the second of January got called to
Speaker 5: the hospital because he was dangerously ill. He was still
Speaker 5: in an induced coma, and we were sat with him
Speaker 5: all night, really, and I came home because we have gone,
Speaker 5: we have cats, we have chickens. I came home for
Speaker 5: an hour or two to see two of them. And
Speaker 5: it was a very strange thing. I came into the
Speaker 5: kitchen where the dogs are, and it's a very long
Speaker 5: it's a very big room, and there is there was
Speaker 5: a set of of French doors through into a conservatory.
Speaker 5: And as I was standing, he was halfway down the kitchen.
Speaker 5: I opened see French doors and the Conservative doors to
Speaker 5: let the dogs out. I saw Derek, saw him, I
Speaker 5: saw him. He was still in hospital. He was still
Speaker 5: in an U was coma. But I saw him walking
Speaker 5: through the door into the conservatory and out of the
Speaker 5: conservatory door, and he wasn't worrying what he'd gone into hospital.
Speaker 5: He'd gone into hospital wearing a jog in suit thing,
Speaker 5: but when I saw him, he had a pair of
Speaker 5: jeans and an aviator jacket on, which were items of
Speaker 5: clothing that he owned. And he just walked away. And
Speaker 5: it was then that I thought he's gone. But he
Speaker 5: was still here. He was still physically here, but.
Speaker 1: Leting you know, he was going.
Speaker 5: It must have been. I mean, I'm not a person
Speaker 5: who sees ghost or even Yes, I believe in the paranormal,
Speaker 5: and I do believe that things happened, but I think
Speaker 5: it's greatly exaggerated in a lot of occasions, you know, Yes,
Speaker 5: but yeah, And I went back to the hospital and
Speaker 5: I was then told that they were going to turn
Speaker 5: off the equipment that was keeping him alive. Basically he
Speaker 5: was on dialysis and heart medicine and this, and he
Speaker 5: was on all all sorts of things, and they did
Speaker 5: turn everything off because he wouldn't be able to sustain
Speaker 5: his life without help. And his heart stopped after half
Speaker 5: an hour, just sort of five minutes or so into
Speaker 5: the fourth of January.
Speaker 1: Your heart must have been wrenched out.
Speaker 5: I was in shop. You don't you don't absorb, You don't.
Speaker 5: You don't absorb the reality of or at each side. Didn't.
Speaker 5: I couldn't accept it. I couldn't accept it to talk. Well,
Speaker 5: it was just it wasn't real. It was though I
Speaker 5: was living in the parallel universe, you know, sort of
Speaker 5: this thing happening, but here's me. I'm at home and
Speaker 5: Derek's on the road. You know. That was the way
Speaker 5: that it was, you know. So that was the way
Speaker 5: I felt at that time. And of course it was
Speaker 5: only a few days later that everybody started talking about
Speaker 5: the COVID coronavirus, wasn't it. That's where it started off,
Speaker 5: and all the symptoms were. Derek had the classic symptoms.
Speaker 5: People were shown on the television in bed in induced
Speaker 5: combas not only everything.
Speaker 1: But Gwen, you know, it was really on. There was
Speaker 1: a couple of unfortunate timings in this whole thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you had it was around Christmas and you were
Speaker 1: you were all looking forward to everything. You were actually
Speaker 1: on the cusp of Derek's seventieth birthday.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, he was looking forward to that, wasn't he.
Speaker 5: Oh, he absolutely was. Yes, we have plans for a
Speaker 5: big party. And the year twenty twenty, he said that
Speaker 5: going to be his last year of touring and working,
Speaker 5: and he was he was going to retire because he
Speaker 5: died on the fourth and he was. He would have
Speaker 5: been seventy on the twenty seventh January, seventy years by
Speaker 5: three weeks.
Speaker 1: So your world, your world is turned upside down, and
Speaker 1: a few days later the whole world as we knew it,
Speaker 1: and we're still recovering from it. I think we're still
Speaker 1: traumatized as turned upside down.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So at final just on that side, I want
Speaker 1: to we've addressed that, and I think it's at the
Speaker 1: start we should have done that rather than the end,
Speaker 1: because I want to end on a high on this
Speaker 1: whole story. As I said to you without it sounding
Speaker 1: kind of mawkish, you have you any subsequent signs since
Speaker 1: do you think or communications from or is that.
Speaker 5: Not a huge amount. There was one occasion when I
Speaker 5: was feeling some vegetables in the kitchen and he stood
Speaker 5: next When I say he stood next to me, you
Speaker 5: know when you feel as though somebody's there and you
Speaker 5: turn around to say to them whatever. I had that feeling.
Speaker 5: I turned around, but he wasn't there, said, I couldn't
Speaker 5: see anything, but I definitely had the feeling that he
Speaker 5: had been stood next to me on that occasion. There's
Speaker 5: been occasions when the dogs have been looking into the
Speaker 5: living room and wagging the tails and you know, all
Speaker 5: these classic things. But do I get the feeling that
Speaker 5: he's around here all the time. No, but I'm sure
Speaker 5: that he is, you know. I don't disbelieve that he
Speaker 5: has just shuffled off this mortal coil and gone elsewhere
Speaker 5: and never to be seen again. But I can remember
Speaker 5: a medium saying to me, you know, sort of when
Speaker 5: I said, why don't if he'd only just show himself
Speaker 5: to I could only see him, he said. The medium said,
Speaker 5: were you clurred on him before Derek died? And I said, well, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: I wasn't. What makes you think that you might be
Speaker 5: blurred for him, now, you know? And that sort of
Speaker 5: brought it home to me.
Speaker 1: You should have said, you tell me you're the psychic?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yes, so I'm sure he is here. Yes,
Speaker 5: I had somebody come along they asked, actually, and I
Speaker 5: agreed with what's something called e.
Speaker 1: V voice phenomena.
Speaker 5: Yes, And they came in and largely there was nothing
Speaker 5: but in wander hum where Derek had a snooker table
Speaker 5: there and it has a wooden floor, and there was
Speaker 5: a definite sound of somebody walking in leather shoes sold
Speaker 5: shoes that Derek always wore oather sold shoes across the floor,
Speaker 5: and the mirrors, breadth of the word Derek. Those two
Speaker 5: little things were the only things that nowhere else nowhere
Speaker 5: in the house. There was nothing, nothing at all, just
Speaker 5: those two small things that were picked picked up with
Speaker 5: EVP equipment.
Speaker 1: Wow, well he's still around. I always got the yes,
Speaker 1: I got the sense from him anyway. He was never
Speaker 1: well any time I listened to him. Particularly remember he
Speaker 1: had his own little kind of podcast radio show thing.
Speaker 4: I used to love that he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really, I genuinely listened to that all
Speaker 1: the time, Gwen. But I always got a sense of
Speaker 1: it's all bigger than just this. It's an expanse whatever
Speaker 1: existence is. It was. It was bigger than Derek, and
Speaker 1: he knew it, and he'd say it.
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, absolutely, Because as you might remember, of course
Speaker 4: I'm not telling you your business.
Speaker 1: You tell me. But I know he was into, say,
Speaker 1: meditation as well, so he was into the whole mind.
Speaker 4: Yes he was.
Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, he had a room in the house that
Speaker 5: he used and kept very quiet, and that's where he
Speaker 5: used to meditate. And he used to play music, lovely
Speaker 5: spiritual music.
Speaker 1: I think it was around did you remember. I heard
Speaker 1: him say one time it was around eleven o'clock most nights.
Speaker 1: That was that was his time. And he said even
Speaker 1: if he was at a show, he would try and
Speaker 1: get home for to be at home in that room
Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 5: Yes, and when he was at home, I mean it
Speaker 5: wasn't when he used to travel far and wide as
Speaker 5: you know, but when he was at home he would meditate.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, so let's move on to the next stage. But
Speaker 1: just before I do as well, how about a little
Speaker 1: bit about yourself. What's your own background? Where did you
Speaker 1: hail from originally, and what's your story.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm from Liverpool. I spent my time working in
Speaker 5: lawyer's offices, and I've been married before, as Derek had
Speaker 5: been married before. I had a daughter, Derek at the front.
Speaker 5: We got together in the mid eighties when I think
Speaker 5: I was in my mid thirties. Derek was a couple
Speaker 5: of years younger than me. Both our marriages had fallen apart,
Speaker 5: and it went on from there. We married about ten
Speaker 5: years later in nineteen ninety five, moved to year prior
Speaker 5: to getting married, we moved to the South Past area
Speaker 5: were I'm still here. And Derek when I first met him,
Speaker 5: wasn't a full time medium or any such thing. He
Speaker 5: used to coach. He had a footballing background. He used
Speaker 5: to do coaching in sports centers, this sort of thing.
Speaker 1: He had a footballing background. I think he had something
Speaker 1: to do with the cop itself at Liverpool.
Speaker 5: Football he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think yeah he was.
Speaker 5: Yes, he was headhunted apparently when I mean this is
Speaker 5: from his mother, it's not from Derek Derek himself. She
Speaker 5: said he was extremely He was an extremely good footballer,
Speaker 5: but there were an awful lot of good footballers around
Speaker 5: at the time. A lot of them on the Liverpool
Speaker 5: side were internationals, and he really didn't stand that was
Speaker 5: out in Australia he was married. He went with his
Speaker 5: wife and his son to Australia and played for USC Lions.
Speaker 1: Did you meet him growing up at any stage at all,
Speaker 1: Would you ever have crossed paths?
Speaker 5: He said that we did. I don't remember. In our
Speaker 5: youth we used to inhabit the same nightclubs. And he
Speaker 5: said that at one time I had a second job
Speaker 5: behind the bar in a nightclub. And he said that
Speaker 5: he met me and spoke to me then that I
Speaker 5: don't remember.
Speaker 1: All those footballer guys. They were full of themselves back
Speaker 1: then anyway.
Speaker 5: Well, they absolutely were, and that's why I wanted nothing
Speaker 5: to do with the the Everton and the Liverpool football's
Speaker 5: footballers that used to come into the clubs because they were, yes,
Speaker 5: full of themselves.
Speaker 1: Well, so time moved on, you became an item, if
Speaker 1: my research is correct, around nineteen eighty five as such.
Speaker 1: And then I suppose you're in the kitchen one day
Speaker 1: and he says, we have something to tell you. You know,
Speaker 1: I know this blow called Sam he's playing for.
Speaker 4: But you know he was, he was.
Speaker 5: He was very secret about he was his spiritual side
Speaker 5: of his life and certainly didn't tell me about it.
Speaker 5: Did Yeah, But it took about six months he helped
Speaker 5: me in before he told me. It was a conversation
Speaker 5: as do you believe in tarot cards, and at that
Speaker 5: point I'd always been fascinated by the paranormal. And once
Speaker 5: or twice I've gone and had my cards read, you know,
Speaker 5: it does from the office and this sort of thing.
Speaker 5: And yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Gwen tell us about mister Flynn.
Speaker 5: Oh, everybody was mister Flynn. He was what I now
Speaker 5: know is a medium. I in those days I would
Speaker 5: have referred to him as support tune teller. Yeah, I'd
Speaker 5: gone with some people from the office to this filled
Speaker 5: house she was having mister Flynn, and for the princely
Speaker 5: some of five pounds, we all had our card read
Speaker 5: and he did. Actually some of the stuff I couldn't understand,
Speaker 5: but curiously it did become relevant. You're expecting things that
Speaker 5: you're told to happen straight away, but they don't. It
Speaker 5: can take years. And I was married at the time
Speaker 5: to somebody else, and he told me that this initial
Speaker 5: d and it'd have a great bearing on my life,
Speaker 5: and the Mediterranean red roofed houses and all this sort
Speaker 5: of thing. And I think this guy's waste money have
Speaker 5: wasted me five He definitely began to figure And of
Speaker 5: course we spent a lot of years agoing we bought
Speaker 5: a house in Spain and spent an awful lot of
Speaker 5: years going there and had some very happy memories. And
Speaker 5: the rest of that.
Speaker 1: I think Derek used to say to you, it has
Speaker 1: no time frame, That prediction had no time frame at
Speaker 1: such day.
Speaker 5: You know that happened, absolutely true. But I didn't know
Speaker 5: a thing about mediumship, about spiritualism, about the paranormal. It
Speaker 5: was just ghost stories and getting.
Speaker 4: You and in your cart.
Speaker 1: Right, and speaking of ghost stories and stories in general.
Speaker 1: We are here with Gwen widow of Derek Acorra, and
Speaker 1: the book is out and I love it. I'm not
Speaker 1: just saying that, okay, because I well, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: prejudiced anyway. I love Derek, right, and Mary loves Dick
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, right, Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: But there was another one, you know he didn't refer to.
Speaker 1: He actually said, I have to lower the tone, right
Speaker 1: I saw Derek being interviewed before. No, I won't. I
Speaker 1: won't lower the tone, right, will I will? I gwhen anyway,
Speaker 1: he said, so everyone knows Mary loves Dick right. Well.
Speaker 1: Once Derek was out on location and he walked into
Speaker 1: this I don't know if it was an old courthouse
Speaker 1: or something, and he looked up on the balcony and
Speaker 1: you remember Derek, he would just shoot from the hip
Speaker 1: and he goes, that man up there has been tossed off.
Speaker 5: That's right, Yes, that was the stewed in right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: in close to Abaca, Benny, I think it is in
Speaker 5: the world. And they used to hang the po because yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 5: hanging Jeffrey. They used to hang them by pushing them
Speaker 5: over the banister and yes, loud loudly proclaiming and he
Speaker 5: him off.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure, I mean, there's so much in this.
Speaker 1: Let's just say. The book is called Haunted and Tallowed, right,
Speaker 1: and it's the Derek Acort Memoir by Gwen and Derek
Speaker 1: A Korra. And I kept dropping big hints to my
Speaker 1: missus Dad, I wanted to in my Christmas stock in.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Sure enough he turned it turned on and there was
Speaker 1: and I have to be honest with you, it's better
Speaker 1: than I thought it would be.
Speaker 5: Right, Oh, thank you.
Speaker 1: People have a kind of fantasy project that's our Gwen.
Speaker 1: You know, people say I'll have a go or put
Speaker 1: the book out, but no, I mean it's this book.
Speaker 5: Is was It was definitely not a yeah, No, I
Speaker 5: think I don't think it would have ever have got
Speaker 5: written if.
Speaker 1: It all right, person, I feel a blonde wig coming on,
Speaker 1: maybe a genuine blonde press that's coming on. No, I
Speaker 1: don't think. In fact, I'm going to put them on
Speaker 1: hold for quite a while because the story continues. So
Speaker 1: in the middle of all this kind of revelation that
Speaker 1: Derek had these powers, you know, it was to you
Speaker 1: it was manifested in these visits to like the spiritual
Speaker 1: movement as it was back in the whate late nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, early nineteen eighties, what were the spiritual movements
Speaker 1: as such? Are these people sitting around going not once
Speaker 1: for yes, twice for no, or what's going on there?
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't like that. I mean, it may have
Speaker 5: been years ago, but certainly when I started going to
Speaker 5: spiritualist churches as Jerk, it was it was very much
Speaker 5: like that. The prayers, a medium would demonstrate medium ship,
Speaker 5: giving messages out to the people that were in attendance.
Speaker 5: In those days, there were very few a dozen or
Speaker 5: so people. As spiritual and mediumship and psychic became more accepted,
Speaker 5: I suppose the congregations grew I don't know what they're like.
Speaker 5: It's years and years since I've been to a spirituous church.
Speaker 5: I don't know what they're like now. But yeah, it's no,
Speaker 5: it wasn't not once, yes now.
Speaker 1: I think back then as well, they were known as
Speaker 1: a seer, a seer, yes, yes, an oracle chuck some
Speaker 1: names that you then, Okay, So Lilian Starr.
Speaker 4: Yes was a medium.
Speaker 5: No, no, absolutely, she was a medium and a very
Speaker 5: good medium and she used to demonstrate mediumship in the
Speaker 5: Liverpool Spiritualist churches. And she was the one that told
Speaker 5: me so I wouldn't have a very good time being
Speaker 5: married to a medium.
Speaker 1: Well you can tell her, you know, it as a
Speaker 1: ride anyway, So it was great and that this whole
Speaker 1: story Lilian Star as well. How many stars are there
Speaker 1: in Liverpool? Was she anything to ring Or do you
Speaker 1: think or Freddy?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no no relation whatsoever to Burdie
Speaker 5: Star because of course Bergie Star's name wasn't Star. No
Speaker 5: no relation whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Well, and she wasn't anything to Ringle, no conversation. That's
Speaker 1: just maybe in a big Egypt, as we say here
Speaker 1: in Ireland. So you know, when it came to these
Speaker 1: spiritual Derek was big into them. What would your own
Speaker 1: philosophy be when about the spiritual movement? Is it an
Speaker 1: attainment or is it about getting material things? What would
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 5: I think that both could apply. I think some people
Speaker 5: go into it thinking that they're going to make an
Speaker 5: awful lot of money, and others don't want to. They
Speaker 5: do it for nothing because as they love it so much,
Speaker 5: they love communicating with spirits. So I think that all
Speaker 5: posts are covered as far as that's concerned.
Speaker 1: And did they ever get a bit clannish or political
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 5: Oh? Yes, really yes, yes, yes, definitely. The committee's deck, committees,
Speaker 5: well when if they hated that's too strong a word.
Speaker 5: But he disliked the committees because they were very pretty
Speaker 5: and you had to be chums with the committee if
Speaker 5: you wanted to get anywhere. And that's why he stopped
Speaker 5: going to the churches, and he refused to demonstrate in
Speaker 5: any of the churches in because it give him a
Speaker 5: hard time when he was up and coming.
Speaker 1: Well, one day he shows up with you in Lancaster
Speaker 1: and in the manner of the lotto, saying it could
Speaker 1: be you. A lady yes, called Gloria Duffy says it
Speaker 1: should be you, Derek, you should be up here on
Speaker 1: the platform doing the work of spirit.
Speaker 5: That's right. Yes, that was the following week, was the
Speaker 5: first time that he'd stepped upon the on the platform
Speaker 5: in a spiritualist church, because Gloria gave him the courage
Speaker 5: to do so. I mean he had been he had
Speaker 5: been working doing readings for people and getting paid with
Speaker 5: words as originals and this. Yes, it was Gloria that
Speaker 5: first encouraged him and asked him to go to various
Speaker 5: different churches with her and join her on the platform.
Speaker 1: He took to it like a doctor water.
Speaker 5: He dead. He loved it.
Speaker 1: But initially I think did the nerves get to him?
Speaker 1: Were you with him on his Yes, he was.
Speaker 5: He was very nervous. Yes, he tried desperately to get
Speaker 5: me to to in the car around when he was
Speaker 5: actually going to Lancaster to do his first demonstration on
Speaker 5: the platform. Yeah, he was very, very nervous. But once
Speaker 5: he'd done that first one, he was fine.
Speaker 4: He was fine.
Speaker 5: I've heard other mediums say that initially they are nervous
Speaker 5: of giving off what they receive because they're afraid if
Speaker 5: somebody saying, what a load of rubbish. I suppose it's
Speaker 5: only that they gain the nerve as people are accepting
Speaker 5: of what information they come across with.
Speaker 1: I think Derek is trying to communicate with a stare.
Speaker 1: In the background all night you can hear that is
Speaker 1: that a police or an ambulance or something.
Speaker 5: Would probably be an ambulance because it's the roads quite
Speaker 5: a way away, but it's o'ten feel so sound carriage
Speaker 5: and I live roughly between Ormster and South Past hospitals
Speaker 5: and they're often doing transfers and.
Speaker 1: A break for ads. I need to tell you this,
Speaker 1: As I said, this is more of a I want
Speaker 1: to just say this to you when Derek passed. I
Speaker 1: never ever did anything like this before. And I don't
Speaker 1: take it personally that I didn't get a response, because
Speaker 1: I'm sure you had a deluge of an avalanche of mail, right,
Speaker 1: But I just had to write how I felt, right
Speaker 1: and in my own little handwriting. So it's somewhere. It's
Speaker 1: it's probably in the binner. There's day known I wrote. I.
Speaker 5: No, no, it'll still be there. And if I'm honest,
Speaker 5: I have yet to go through, Oh God, all the
Speaker 5: letters and the messages and the text messages, are still
Speaker 5: there and opened and emails and I've yet to go
Speaker 5: through them. Maybe it's something a huge undertaking.
Speaker 1: Maybe someday and maybe not as well. Maybe it's just
Speaker 1: leave well enough alone. So look, the other thing is
Speaker 1: so he kind of got a bit of a he
Speaker 1: made his own break with your help. You were still
Speaker 1: working at the time to start, and he was doing
Speaker 1: jobs as well. And then you had a little premises, yes.
Speaker 5: In waiver Tree, which is a suburb of pfoah.
Speaker 1: Right, and people used to go there for readings they did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and how did the blue It was gone?
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, it was going fine. It was fine, Yeah
Speaker 4: it was, but it.
Speaker 5: Was in the suburb. And we had this idea that
Speaker 5: because he was absolutely inundated with people wanting to make
Speaker 5: appointments with him, so we thought that maybe in the
Speaker 5: Liverpool City Center would be it would be easier for
Speaker 5: people to travel too, because if they were coming from
Speaker 5: out of town to go into the city center, it
Speaker 5: was simple on the bus or a train or driving
Speaker 5: or whatever to find the way into a suburb. It
Speaker 5: wasn't quite so easy. So yeah, we moved his office
Speaker 5: from waiver Tree to Liverpool City Center on Victoria Street.
Speaker 1: But wasn't a point reached when well and all as
Speaker 1: it was going Derek indicated to you that it was
Speaker 1: getting too much.
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, yes, there was that point, and that's how
Speaker 5: we both ended up with our certificates in hotel management.
Speaker 1: Pub manager. Yeah, very good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh I still have my certificates there. Fantastic assuring
Speaker 5: everybody that I can change a barrel and deal with
Speaker 5: real ale and all this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I believe, I believe when Derek did end
Speaker 1: up managing a pub, but it was one of those
Speaker 1: pubs where if you didn't have a knife on you,
Speaker 1: they gave you one on the way in the door.
Speaker 5: That's right. Yes, when he was training he was at
Speaker 5: the pub that was, you know, sort of really nice.
Speaker 5: And then of course he moved into a tougher pub
Speaker 5: in a tougher area and didn't like it one bit.
Speaker 1: There was a lady out of her gourd one time
Speaker 1: at a table I was reading I don't want to
Speaker 1: give your book away, by the way, we leave plenty
Speaker 1: of your book. But I think she was just a
Speaker 1: scouser was souted on something right, and she was like yeah,
Speaker 1: and he tried to give her assistance and that was
Speaker 1: the kind of drugs drug problem in the area of
Speaker 1: people selling drugs and stuff, and was at that.
Speaker 5: Point, Yeah, it was a really tough area. There were
Speaker 5: a lot of drug problems. And yes, it was that
Speaker 5: of incidents that caused him to think twice and realized
Speaker 5: that maybe working with spirits was probably a better option than.
Speaker 1: But the question, sorry, Gwen, Sorry, the question is though
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have interrupted there. Sorry. The question is, though,
Speaker 1: why did he give it up in the first place, because.
Speaker 5: Because he couldn't. He It was involving a track who
Speaker 5: committed suicide and he unfortunately took his two children with him,
Speaker 5: and Derek could see this guy for a reading, and
Speaker 5: he could see something bad happening in the future, yes,
Speaker 5: and suspected that that would be sort of what it was.
Speaker 5: And fast forward a year, the guy came back to
Speaker 5: him and Derek said, you know, sort of, you really
Speaker 5: really must not do what you're planning on doing. And
Speaker 5: when what the guy did, obviously he killed himself and
Speaker 5: his two children and his wife. The guy's wife came
Speaker 5: to see Derek and that's how Derek found out what
Speaker 5: had happened, and he just couldn't couldn't deal with it
Speaker 5: because he hadn't been able to stop the tragedy, and
Speaker 5: he felt that he should have been able to stop
Speaker 5: the tragedy. But I think he realized that.
Speaker 4: You can't absolutely not alter anything.
Speaker 5: Absolutely nobody can nobody can change anything. What is meant
Speaker 5: to be A person decides will be a decision that
Speaker 5: they make, and no matter what anybody says to them,
Speaker 5: regardless as to who they are, they'll do it if
Speaker 5: they if they get so badly depressed.
Speaker 1: But Derrek had sensed that, and that's why the kind
Speaker 1: of that's why it had all cooled down on his front,
Speaker 1: and he wanted to try and make a new start
Speaker 1: with the pub and what have you. That's the calling
Speaker 1: of Spirits was was so strong. You continued on. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of lots of platform work for you there,
Speaker 1: and the theater work would get our appearances by the
Speaker 1: Salvation Army at times and Jehol witnesses and it's all
Speaker 1: Derek's fault.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, they'd be outside the theaters handing out leaflets
Speaker 5: and saying that the people were going in to see
Speaker 5: the devil, and oh yes, it was, it was. It
Speaker 5: was funny in those days. It used to be, you know,
Speaker 5: the demonic thing. Nowadays it's it's people saying there's no
Speaker 5: such thing as mediums. They're all frauds, they're all fakes,
Speaker 5: they're all this, they're all you know. I think the
Speaker 5: Salvation Army has given up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they failed to recruit him into their ranks anyway.
Speaker 4: For assurance, they certainly, And there was.
Speaker 1: Others outside shouting, Jesus loves you, but we don't.
Speaker 5: That was right, that Yeah, that was when I was
Speaker 5: in the dressing room and they somehower of a new
Speaker 5: maybe there's only one dresser, I can't remember, but yeah,
Speaker 5: they sang and chanted and shouted shouting to Jesus, maybe
Speaker 5: we don't.
Speaker 1: But Derek had other things on his mind. He seemed
Speaker 1: to at one stage experiment with his hair and what
Speaker 1: to elaborate on that.
Speaker 5: Well, people can read the book.
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe maybe they should we leave that. Let's just
Speaker 1: say Goldielocks.
Speaker 5: Yeah oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, life goes on and suddenly he gets a
Speaker 1: break on radio. Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, yes, yes, he did. It was Lankashire Radio
Speaker 5: and Red Rose Radio were the first two stations that
Speaker 5: he he guested it on. And then he wrote his
Speaker 5: first book, and I thought it was a good idea
Speaker 5: to sort of send out press pacts to publicize this
Speaker 5: book to radio stations and such like, and James Whale
Speaker 5: got in touch and invited Derek down to London to
Speaker 5: the studio one Sunday evening and a guest on the
Speaker 5: James Whale Show.
Speaker 1: The recently departed James Whale.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that's right, yes, yes, the notorious James. The
Speaker 5: life out of it.
Speaker 1: We can't we can't speak ill of the dead, but
Speaker 1: we would say that a brace of might have been
Speaker 1: a description at times. However, Derek's charm came in to play,
Speaker 1: and not only that, his mediumship came into play because
Speaker 1: he managed to land the whale, so to speak.
Speaker 5: He did, he absolutely did. Yes, he became very good
Speaker 5: friends with James and it was a weekly date for
Speaker 5: two three years until James unfortunately succumb to kidney cancer
Speaker 5: and he had to take time out while he recovered
Speaker 5: from that, and of course, by the time he had
Speaker 5: recovered a new month Derek back. Derek was too busy,
Speaker 5: he couldn't do it. So, yeah, where it came to
Speaker 5: an end.
Speaker 1: It's important to mention there might even be a misconception
Speaker 1: out there that most haunted was the making of Derek Acorra.
Speaker 1: But it's too late to take it back when well,
Speaker 1: the point I'm making is is he was well established.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know.
Speaker 1: Did he have out and about with Derek Acorra as well?
Speaker 1: Was that like a TV show or something? Did he
Speaker 1: have a problem called out and about or our predictions.
Speaker 5: Or predictions with Derrek Acora? He'd been not on Grenada Brirees,
Speaker 5: He'd done Psychics own, psych It Live, Lifetime, Psychic Live Time,
Speaker 5: Predictions of Dereka Kora. He guested on various different television programs.
Speaker 5: He had regular radio slots, he was filling theaters and
Speaker 5: when he was in Gerada, brez Ibet Fielding had a
Speaker 5: program called Simply di Wile or something like that, and
Speaker 5: where she did the steak of that plastic thing. Absolutely yes,
Speaker 5: And she used to Derek and I smoked and smoked
Speaker 5: at the time. We'd jump into each other on the
Speaker 5: steps of these outside on the steps of the studio,
Speaker 5: and she said that her husband had devised this program
Speaker 5: and they were looking for a medium. Would Derek do
Speaker 5: the honors on this pilot program?
Speaker 1: And where did that take laid?
Speaker 5: Yes, it was Mitchell and Priory, Mitchell and Priory, Yeah,
Speaker 5: down down South. Yeah, And so one flatter day down
Speaker 5: we collected us and down we went to mitchelland Priory
Speaker 5: and did the investigation and it all went very well.
Speaker 5: Came back home and they kept in touch with us,
Speaker 5: and they were trying to sell the program and I
Speaker 5: think it was November when because a lot of people
Speaker 5: turned them down because the Paranormal wasn't programming that seemed
Speaker 5: to be popular at the time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, how did Derek feel that kind of period
Speaker 1: between the pilot and the commissioning of the show, did
Speaker 1: he have any thoughts on working with Carl and or No?
Speaker 4: Not really.
Speaker 5: I don't think he thought that it would it would happen,
Speaker 5: you know, sort of. He was he was busy, he
Speaker 5: was getting on with his own rife. They get in touch.
Speaker 5: Carl used to phone up and spend hours talking to
Speaker 5: to Derek, and then in the November it was commissioned.
Speaker 5: And it was at that point what Derek said to me,
Speaker 5: I don't really want to do it.
Speaker 1: I said to you, he didn't want to do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was that an inkling or that?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know whether it was some
Speaker 5: sort of premonition or whatever. But he wasn't keen, and
Speaker 5: I said, oh, it'll be fine, it'll be fine, you know.
Speaker 5: So they seemed to be nice people, because there were
Speaker 5: nice people in those days. They were nice people, very amenable, funny,
Speaker 5: good company. Fine. Yeah, So November it was commissioned, and
Speaker 5: then we heard the first filming of this first program
Speaker 5: would be Chillingham Castle in January of two thousands and
Speaker 5: two US.
Speaker 1: So they had places like the ostrich In, Yes, a
Speaker 1: lighthouse as well.
Speaker 4: Was there souter lighthouse such light house?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was plain castle.
Speaker 1: And would you turn up enthusiastically to these places, Gwen,
Speaker 1: because I know, I mean, I know you believe in
Speaker 1: the paranormal as such, but you've whereas like it was
Speaker 1: Derek's kind of DNA or his nervous system. You really
Speaker 1: were the lady in the background, probably the long suffering
Speaker 1: lady in the background. Don't give you enough credit. You know,
Speaker 1: you were a great couple. You can see even with
Speaker 1: photos of the two of you, you were a sound couple.
Speaker 1: And he may have had all this talent and mediumship,
Speaker 1: et cetera, but you were and I don't mean to
Speaker 1: pat patronize you, you were his rock, and that comes
Speaker 1: across so you'd be out there in some of these
Speaker 1: locations probably kind of half interested, freezing your nickers off,
Speaker 1: probably for parent expression, right, And some of these are
Speaker 1: because it's I've worked in television in my time. It's
Speaker 1: not everything that's cracked up to be. You know, you've
Speaker 1: got a crew with you. Some people are some people
Speaker 1: are hungover, some people are in a bad mood. Some
Speaker 1: people are are light and flighty because they don't know
Speaker 1: any better. You really wear the power behind that whole throne.
Speaker 5: I've been in supporting him, and I used to drive
Speaker 5: him and in those days, I used to drive to
Speaker 5: the theaters. I used to drive them everywhere. We worked
Speaker 5: together in different capacities. And yes, I used to like
Speaker 5: going to these different locations because I love old houses
Speaker 5: and I love castles, And that was the bit that
Speaker 5: I like. Yes, it was more I was more interested
Speaker 5: in sort of seeing these places and sort of sitting
Speaker 5: waiting for a ghost to I've got to say that
Speaker 5: there were occasions when there was paranormal activity, okay, but
Speaker 5: it was subtle and it wasn't it wasn't exciting, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 5: it's difficult to remember, but there would be an occasion
Speaker 5: where there was an unexplained sound, or an unexplained movement,
Speaker 5: or an unexplained shadow. Not all the time, but there
Speaker 5: were occasions when anomalous events took place. Should I would
Speaker 5: say it wasn't all theater for the television program, but
Speaker 5: there were a lots of things that were taken as
Speaker 5: being paranormal, but they actually weren't.
Speaker 1: But as well, you just touched on something there I
Speaker 1: can identify with when I used to look at most haunted.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it to you now as a punter,
Speaker 1: you know. And I'd often say to my wife and
Speaker 1: be there with a glass of wine, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'd say, God, I'd love to do that. And the reason,
Speaker 1: the reason for it was just as you've said, Gwen,
Speaker 1: it was the historic nature of a lot of these places.
Speaker 4: Yes you saw.
Speaker 1: Something or not, it was the fact was you are
Speaker 1: in a building that's probably four hundred years old, has
Speaker 1: had to have seen life and death and all kinds
Speaker 1: of things play out from history in it. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't a bad gig, really was it. Because you go
Speaker 1: out on these places. I'd have a nice dinner somewhere
Speaker 1: probably and you get a few bob for it, not
Speaker 1: them mad as we all know. But it was great.
Speaker 1: There was a time as well. Do you remember was
Speaker 1: it you that the cradle rocking? Was that one of
Speaker 1: those subtles?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that was Applehampton.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: And they were filming in a bedroom and I was
Speaker 5: standing halfway up the stairs and I could see into
Speaker 5: the room that was next to the one where they
Speaker 5: were filming. Yes, And there was a cradle in that bedroom,
Speaker 5: and it suddenly started swaying. Now I knew there was
Speaker 5: nobody in that room.
Speaker 4: I knew it.
Speaker 5: I think it was Carl noticed this cradle swaying. Of course,
Speaker 5: a big deal was made of it. And it was
Speaker 5: only after, really really that I thought, I wonder whether
Speaker 5: the floorboards run and the movement of the room next
Speaker 5: door made the cradle rock. And when they were on
Speaker 5: the wrecky, before Derek arrived at the place, did they
Speaker 5: notice that this thing would happen? Was it all planned?
Speaker 5: Was it actually paranormal activity? You know, your mind asks
Speaker 5: lots and lots of questions, especially it asked questions It
Speaker 5: probably wouldn't ask if you'd been treated fairly, But if
Speaker 5: somebody doesn't treat you fairly then you start questioning.
Speaker 1: Okay, plus as well though, as you made some good
Speaker 1: relationships or good friendships.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I have to throw yes, lovely old Richard, he's fabulous,
Speaker 5: It is fabulous. And Jason Carl he was on the
Speaker 5: first series. Yes, we made lots of friends and remain.
Speaker 5: They still keep in touch with me, even though Derek's can't.
Speaker 5: But yes, we did. Some people we.
Speaker 4: Never heard from again, that's like thought.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, that happens with everything.
Speaker 1: Of course, Richard Foenix wasn't too well recently as well,
Speaker 1: around this time last year.
Speaker 5: That's right, Yes, but he's fine now he is. I
Speaker 5: saw him, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's absolutely fine now.
Speaker 1: Well, they can do wonders these days, Gwen, because it
Speaker 1: was it was a heart issue he hadn't. I'll be
Speaker 1: honest with you. I had one myself. I had a
Speaker 1: quadruple there a few years back. Oh really seven years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so you know, you just take it day by day.
Speaker 1: Phelix to be a bit older than me now, in
Speaker 1: his early seventies, but he's looking great. Because there's another
Speaker 1: paranormal team called ghost Era based in Ireland, and I know,
Speaker 1: I know Anthony Kerrigan was over there during the week
Speaker 1: and some photos on his Yeah, nice pictures of Anthony
Speaker 1: and his son, and you can just tell, like Richard
Speaker 1: is being so nice to him. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I just have to say as well about being nice
Speaker 1: to people. A couple of things struck me about Derek
Speaker 1: right when I used to watch him on Most Haunted.
Speaker 1: Was just you know, there was a bit of theatrics there.
Speaker 1: I loved it because you would get into the whole
Speaker 1: experience with Derrek. I remember watching them one day and
Speaker 1: he was coming up the stairs. Now, anybody else would
Speaker 1: just walk up the stairs, but you're Derek came up
Speaker 1: the stairs and he was doing the one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty degree scan and it was something something's gone down here,
Speaker 1: the sidualanity, you know. And as well, do you remember
Speaker 1: that lovely ring He used to have the big ruby
Speaker 1: red ring. Do you remember that? Yes? Well, yeah, God,
Speaker 1: pride of place. But so so that struck me about
Speaker 1: him was he would he would bring you whether you
Speaker 1: liked it or not. And look at you've got to
Speaker 1: have a little bit of showmanship in there. You've got
Speaker 1: to be a you know, this business about fakery or whatever.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have a television show unless you can
Speaker 1: do a bit of genuine mediumship and a little bit
Speaker 1: of spice as well. And he brought me, you know,
Speaker 1: he brought that whole historic feel that you know, the
Speaker 1: possessions or whatever. But you know, the regional accents would
Speaker 1: come out and stuff, and it wasn't all baloney. And
Speaker 1: you know what, Gwen, I don't mean to offend at all,
Speaker 1: even if it was. It's television. You are not going
Speaker 1: to keep viewers unless you can get them to watch
Speaker 1: something of interest. He was like no other medium they
Speaker 1: had on that show. I liked the David Wells coupling.
Speaker 1: I kind of liked that. I thought that kind of worked.
Speaker 1: I wasn't too gone on a lot of the others.
Speaker 1: This is what gets me about the whole of vette thing.
Speaker 1: My interpretation is there might have been a degree of
Speaker 1: professional envy there or something, and there was no need
Speaker 1: for it because everybody complimented, especially those early shows. Everybody
Speaker 1: worked together. But anyway, typically me, I'm going off the point,
Speaker 1: you know, So he pure entertainment. The other thing which
Speaker 1: is often overlooked. I thought, just as a viewer, I
Speaker 1: thought he was immensely polite. He was yes, do you
Speaker 1: mind if he if I, or do you mind if
Speaker 1: can I? Is it okay? If? Now they're small things,
Speaker 1: but if you're in a certain generation, they're very important things.
Speaker 1: He would give people their place. He would ask permission.
Speaker 1: He never seemed to you know, it wasn't just here
Speaker 1: I am and I'm the medium, and you love me
Speaker 1: or leave me. There's nothing like. He was very human
Speaker 1: and I loved him. And you know where I was
Speaker 1: the day he passed. Here's the comment right that brought
Speaker 1: me the news of his passing. I was standing by
Speaker 1: the sink in my kitchen. The radio was on, and
Speaker 1: the presenter was flustered in his own words and paraphrasing,
Speaker 1: but he said, good God, he said, there's so much
Speaker 1: news in the world at the moment, and it seems
Speaker 1: that all anybody's interested in this guy, Dereka Korra.
Speaker 4: Now you know global, it did.
Speaker 1: It did go viral and global all these things. But
Speaker 1: that's how I That was a blunt instrument to me.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how I found out, and I was shattered.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it was showing the impact
Speaker 1: that his presence had. Anyway, So you did as I said,
Speaker 1: pop over this end of the places like some people
Speaker 1: might pronounce it leap, but it's known as lept.
Speaker 4: Castle, that's right.
Speaker 1: And you know how was that for you? Because everyone
Speaker 1: has a left Castle story.
Speaker 5: Oh I love left Castle. It's such a fascinating place.
Speaker 5: It does have its own eariness and it's definitely a
Speaker 5: place where it goes exist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 5: Because I took a photograph of one or what I believe.
Speaker 1: Ew and what was the attire of that aforementioned photograph?
Speaker 1: What did the person have in it? The figure having
Speaker 1: it a tight Oh, you don't know where the breeze
Speaker 1: comes from, but you sure know where it's going, like a.
Speaker 5: Plaid over the top part and a cone helmets, a
Speaker 5: tone shaped almet and sort of long straggly hair, and
Speaker 5: its striding from the door to the stairs. Everybody was
Speaker 5: filming upstairs. Now I didn't see this, but I was
Speaker 5: in the dark. There was only the log fire burning.
Speaker 5: And I used to take photographs, just random photographs in
Speaker 5: places to see whether I picked anything up. So I
Speaker 5: was shocked when I saw this figure on one of
Speaker 5: the photographs that I eventually downloaded onto a computer. Because
Speaker 5: it was a there were no photographs from phones in
Speaker 5: those days. Yeah, so I was quite shocked and I
Speaker 5: showed it to Carl and he said, that's Sean the chapter.
Speaker 5: But Sean didn't wear a chronicle what looked like a
Speaker 5: chronicle metal as he wore a flat cap. Yes, he
Speaker 5: certainly didn't have a leather kilt in the plaid on
Speaker 5: you see. I I don't know what the indigenous dress
Speaker 5: of the Irish is. Yes, so I don't know whether
Speaker 5: it is something that fits in to the history of
Speaker 5: Ireland or whether it doesn't. I don't know, but that's
Speaker 5: what this figure was wearing. Yes, it was dismissed being
Speaker 5: shown the owner anyway.
Speaker 1: You moved on that. You do Charlsville Castle at once to.
Speaker 5: Day, yes, is it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think there was little girls or something. I might
Speaker 1: have fallen down the stairs or off a parapet or
Speaker 1: something there. That's that was the story I think I
Speaker 1: used to hear.
Speaker 5: I can't remember what these stories were. I do remember
Speaker 5: that there was some sort of dark rooms, small rooms
Speaker 5: and this sort of thing. But I spent most of
Speaker 5: the time on that filming because I didn't watch the program,
Speaker 5: you know when it was aired, Durables did, so I
Speaker 5: don't know the content of some of the some of
Speaker 5: the filming because I spent most of the time in
Speaker 5: the crew room of that cattle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't as interesting as well, you don't watch the shows.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Gwen, this probably I'm about
Speaker 1: to say bittersweet, but when most people lose a relative,
Speaker 1: et cetera, they might have a handful of photos or
Speaker 1: a few bits of video, et cetera. You have a
Speaker 1: whole body of work to look back on because it's
Speaker 1: all on the internet now as well and smart TVs
Speaker 1: and what have you. Do you ever look at any
Speaker 1: of the old programs, not necessarily just most Haunted, but
Speaker 1: any of the rest of them, because there's plenty out there.
Speaker 1: I found a lovely interview which I think was filmed
Speaker 1: in your house gone way back. A guy came over
Speaker 1: and Derek had this beautiful front room. I have to
Speaker 1: say it looked well a room. And right at the
Speaker 1: end of the interview as well, I mean, Derek finished,
Speaker 1: so on cue at the best I can tell you,
Speaker 1: you used to have a clock that goes literally if you.
Speaker 5: Watched Grandfather in the hallway, and.
Speaker 1: Literally as Derek finished it, just like chimed. It was
Speaker 1: really like it was military precision timing. So yeah, but
Speaker 1: do you ever look at any of the of the
Speaker 1: programs at all or.
Speaker 5: I don't don't know, No, I don't I've got everything
Speaker 5: I think that that Derrick ever filmed on DVDs or whatever,
Speaker 5: but they're still in the Soane Rappers's been opened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I kind of understand that as well,
Speaker 1: you know, I do. And by the way, you mentioned
Speaker 1: Toler Moore, there was a bit that was the first
Speaker 1: kind of indication that at times was a bit of
Speaker 1: a coolness in the relationship with Yeah, Carl and the
Speaker 1: Vet's company was called Antics Production Clue and that there's
Speaker 1: a clue in the name.
Speaker 5: That's right. That we were all last day in Ireland
Speaker 5: was from Patrick's day, Yeah, before we were traveling home
Speaker 5: to England. And yes, there was it was definitely frosty,
Speaker 5: not between Derek and I and such like, but we
Speaker 5: detected a definite frostiness between the crew, yes and Antics. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and that was when it became evident that Jason was
Speaker 5: no longer in favor as well.
Speaker 1: All right, did he dirty his bib somehow? That's his
Speaker 1: story to tell.
Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing is Gwen on the understanding side. I
Speaker 1: know myself. You know, in broadcasting it's very hard. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like grounding up cats or something, you know,
Speaker 1: And there's all these little interplays. And also, believe it
Speaker 1: or not generational. Okay, you you might have been a
Speaker 1: bit older than the crew, but also Karlavette were a
Speaker 1: bit older than the crew. There can be issues going.
Speaker 4: On and oh yes, I mean.
Speaker 5: Events is the same age as my daughter, you know,
Speaker 5: sort of, so we didn't tend to gel should I say?
Speaker 5: Is that? Is that a good word with the crew.
Speaker 5: And we worked with them and we were friendly with them,
Speaker 5: and that they were you know, but yeah, we wereked
Speaker 5: sort of friends as such, you know, but we shut
Speaker 5: and go for dinner together and all this.
Speaker 1: There's always a butt with me and here it is.
Speaker 1: Do you know what? Though, So that early series, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a series or episode three, four, whatever the series were,
Speaker 1: series three, You guys, This was kind of pop star
Speaker 1: stuff for satellite television, wasn't it. It took off like
Speaker 1: a rocket.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah it did. And nobody was more shot
Speaker 5: than Derek enough, Yeah, it's I mean it. Although Derek
Speaker 5: was successful before, sure, most Haunted definitely sort of boosted
Speaker 5: that success, and it would be it would be wrong
Speaker 5: to say otherwise, because once upon a time he was known,
Speaker 5: but he became extremely well known. The fact that his
Speaker 5: death created such a farraw proved that that was down
Speaker 5: to him appearing on Most Haunted and.
Speaker 1: Every cloud has a silver lining though, because it came
Speaker 1: to him. You know, he was mature in life at
Speaker 1: the time, so he wasn't going to know you, and
Speaker 1: he had you. Of course, it's star Warts and he
Speaker 1: described he described Jersey's star Warts and his rock behind him,
Speaker 1: so it was a nice place to be for a
Speaker 1: mature couple as well. But said it did take off,
Speaker 1: and so much so does if you right might remember
Speaker 1: remember Three Mediums, Colin fra Tony Stockell. That was the
Speaker 1: real the Limo life, wasn't it. They arrived at the theater.
Speaker 1: I got the vibes. I could really If you really
Speaker 1: want to see Derek in love with his craft, I
Speaker 1: think look at that show. It's on YouTube there somewhere.
Speaker 1: The Three Mediums.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they rocked that stage that night.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, that was the hammer Smith and they build it.
Speaker 1: They filled it. But you know, I think it was
Speaker 1: a recognition of it becoming, as they say these days,
Speaker 1: a thing. You know, the paranormal was suddenly a thing,
Speaker 1: and these were like these three I don't know, princess whatever.
Speaker 1: And it did the Dickie bows and the you know,
Speaker 1: the formal wearin it just it just worked. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a lovely time for you.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 5: It was a fabulous time. And I think people look
Speaker 5: back on those days and think that I can do that,
Speaker 5: but that those days are gone and it's no reflection
Speaker 5: on thelites of people. But it will never happen again.
Speaker 5: It just won't happen again. Derek and Colin and Tony
Speaker 5: to a degree, they were at the right place at
Speaker 5: the right time.
Speaker 1: Yes. And do you know why it won't happen again either, Gwen,
Speaker 1: because people have the attention span of a gnat now
Speaker 1: through the likes of TikTok et cetera. It's terrible. It's
Speaker 1: really nobody what I was to love about most haunted,
Speaker 1: like Saturday night whenever kids are in bed glass or
Speaker 1: to of wine, going to that little place where you're
Speaker 1: not quite out of it but you're nice, you know,
Speaker 1: you're the Scottish have a word for it nicely mougered, right,
Speaker 1: and then then Derek would start his antics pardon the pun,
Speaker 1: with all you know you got away from me woman,
Speaker 1: and I just I was in another place with that programs.
Speaker 1: So look, without making a big meal out of it,
Speaker 1: as we say in our there was a bit of
Speaker 1: a snot on at times. You could feel an atmosphere
Speaker 1: here right now. You can put that down to generational,
Speaker 1: You can put it down to a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of things. But the speculation was, which I can't
Speaker 1: get over cart my head around this as a business person, right,
Speaker 1: is that there might have been a bit of professional
Speaker 1: envy in so far as Derek's profile was quite high.
Speaker 1: But I mean why I can't get my head around.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it was an insecurity thing or what.
Speaker 1: If it's profile was quite high. Richard Felix's it was
Speaker 1: a beautiful soup that all worked, and you know, business
Speaker 1: is good. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. What
Speaker 1: was this a kind of is this a jealousy thing?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I would say that it was. I would
Speaker 5: say that it was resentment because Derek ended up being
Speaker 5: or being talked about it as been the the star
Speaker 5: of the show, and I think it was an awful
Speaker 5: rub for them that he was the star of the
Speaker 5: show that they created, and maybe they thought that that
Speaker 5: should be the star. But the audience choose what the
Speaker 5: audience choose, you know, sort of Derek didn't go out
Speaker 5: to steal anybody's linel like, Derek was just being Derek.
Speaker 5: That's the way that she was before and that's the
Speaker 5: way that she remained after.
Speaker 1: Well, again, I'm only speculating, but how can it be
Speaker 1: is this vanity or insecurity? You've got somebody who was
Speaker 1: already back in the day like Blue Peter presenter, which
Speaker 1: is high profile enough. Okay, the thing peaked in the
Speaker 1: seventies probably, but still, you know, she was there as
Speaker 1: a as a well known presenter, and and Carl was
Speaker 1: an accomplished filmmaker. There they're essentially.
Speaker 5: He was a cameraman, not a filmman.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, oh a cameraman, right, A cameraman, right, Well,
Speaker 1: he was he was you know, he was good.
Speaker 5: He was very good.
Speaker 4: He was very good.
Speaker 1: And he's I think is he some kind of a
Speaker 1: martial arts guy as well? I think? But what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is I can't get my mind around it is
Speaker 1: because in my own small way say, when I put
Speaker 1: together this podcast, I used to think it's about Mark Monning.
Speaker 1: No it's not. It's about the people who are on
Speaker 1: the show. And it doesn't lessen my profile. I am
Speaker 1: the guy who's brought them together. I produce, and I'm
Speaker 1: still going to be known by the handful of people
Speaker 1: who listened to the podcast or the radio, whatever I'm on.
Speaker 1: I don't need to be the center of it. I don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't know where it came from.
Speaker 5: It was it was, there was there resentments, There were resentments,
Speaker 5: and it made life uncomfortable work in there, and Derek
Speaker 5: just got fed up and he said, he said to me,
Speaker 5: I'm going to resign. I'm going to tell them that,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm finished. So he found his agent meeting
Speaker 5: in Manchester. The antipopice in Manchester was arranged. Richard Wolfe
Speaker 5: and Claire Hollywood of Living TV came down. So there
Speaker 5: was Carl Yvette, Derek, his agent, Stuarts, Claire and Richard
Speaker 5: and Stewart said on Derek's befal that Derret wanted to
Speaker 5: resign from Most Haunted and so that was that was,
Speaker 5: that was it. But Richard didn't want to lose Derek
Speaker 5: because he obviously appreciated that he could draw an audience.
Speaker 5: So he said, would Derrek do one more series of
Speaker 5: Most Haunted and three or four more Most Haunted Lives?
Speaker 5: Derek reluctantly agreed. He didn't particularly want to do another series.
Speaker 5: He wanted to finish at series five. That was it.
Speaker 5: He just wanted to draw a line under it. So yeah,
Speaker 5: he agreed to do seriously.
Speaker 1: The lives as well. They were big, and I think
Speaker 1: it wasn't the very very huge the very first live
Speaker 1: was that made that was fabulous? Was that maybe when
Speaker 1: Derek star was it was he that kind of king
Speaker 1: of paranorma.
Speaker 4: Then that's the genesis fabulous night.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was a fabulous night. I got there
Speaker 5: was sort of blue washed light and there it was
Speaker 5: introduced in after after I said Herbert, and when the
Speaker 5: crowd sort of stood up and cheered and streamed and yelled.
Speaker 5: I saw that space and she wasn't.
Speaker 1: So now we're getting yeah, perhaps the origin there is
Speaker 1: that show that the live So he read kind of
Speaker 1: under duress and the other thing is listen, I really
Speaker 1: sympathize with the situation that he was in. Look I
Speaker 1: wasn't there. It's not really for me to say, but
Speaker 1: I've been in situations you know, this bloody passive aggressive thing, right,
Speaker 1: it's where you know, these are the microaggressions. It's one
Speaker 1: thing if somebody has a go with you, right, and
Speaker 1: guys often do it, yeah, you know, and then you will, Brian,
Speaker 1: refute whatever's being said, or you'll have a go back,
Speaker 1: you'll have a pint afterwards. Everyone forgets about it, right,
Speaker 1: But when it's things that niggly things you can't quite
Speaker 1: accuse directly or you'll be certainly you're a very unreasonable person,
Speaker 1: are you You know that. That's where my real sympathy
Speaker 1: comes from.
Speaker 5: There's a situation where we were made to feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: We were just well made to feel uncomfortable, and Carl's
Speaker 5: attitude changed from being cheery, chappy to arrogant, really sort
Speaker 5: of diss you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like Derek even was Robbie Williams like
Speaker 1: a mate at one point even you know, he just
Speaker 1: knew so many people and he was loved by so
Speaker 1: many people. But look, the only reason I'm reading I
Speaker 1: don't really want to get into all that, but you know,
Speaker 1: I think there was a book written a year or
Speaker 1: two back. Was it the Vets book herself? And that's
Speaker 1: where where I suppose it was. Probably it certainly was
Speaker 1: the impetus. You needed to get your side out as well.
Speaker 5: I couldn't allow. I could not allow the outright lies
Speaker 5: that she told in that book. And I will meet
Speaker 5: her in court any day if she chooses to assume me.
Speaker 1: What's in the public domain kind of that she said
Speaker 1: it really upset you or hurt you. I would have
Speaker 1: hurt Derek.
Speaker 5: It was it was everything. He was egotistical, he was
Speaker 5: an alcoholic, he was a womanizer. He chase staffter her
Speaker 5: wanting to snog and groper. He was He was just
Speaker 5: a horrible person who wanted everybody to cowtow to him.
Speaker 5: And this that wasn't Derek. That wasn't Derek at all.
Speaker 5: Derek was a down to earth Liverpool guy and he
Speaker 5: remained down to a Liverpool guy who didn't have any
Speaker 5: huge ego. Who was he was just normal. She's made
Speaker 5: him out to be a monster. She actually said that
Speaker 5: her and Carl had created a monster.
Speaker 1: It's beyond me how Derek managed to do all these
Speaker 1: things when, as you shared earlier, you were on location.
Speaker 1: You know, now it's going to mess around with another
Speaker 1: woman in front of her wife, you know. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. But if you know what, Gwen, what I
Speaker 1: love about you, without again patronizing it all is there's
Speaker 1: a love, there's a lovely dignity about you. And you
Speaker 1: held your powder until you know you were kind of
Speaker 1: provoked into doing the right thing and to defend the
Speaker 1: name of your husband and of course the great entertainer
Speaker 1: Derek Acorra. So look, I understand all that, but you know,
Speaker 1: as I said at the beginning of this, we need
Speaker 1: to move on. Because was there was there what after?
Speaker 1: Life after Most Haunted? So some of the things that
Speaker 1: he got up to was as you said, Richard Wolf,
Speaker 1: who would have been the controller of Living Television. He
Speaker 1: unlike certain other parties, he knew the expression, I don't
Speaker 1: want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
Speaker 1: He had other plans well.
Speaker 5: He asked Derek doing a series of Most Taunted while
Speaker 5: he created a program for Derek on his own, which
Speaker 5: he did and it was called that Derek Cora's Ghost sound.
Speaker 1: Yes, is that the one with Danielle Westbrook or.
Speaker 5: That's right there, Danielle and Westbrook and Watson him the
Speaker 5: pianist known for the white Bikinian. Wow celebrity.
Speaker 1: You don't hear them, you don't. You don't hear them
Speaker 1: telling any odd stories.
Speaker 5: And you know, because there were no stories.
Speaker 1: Oh we live and we learned. So Look. The other
Speaker 1: thing was, wasn't the Ghost Antiques Show as well?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yes, but that was whilst Derrek was part of Most
Speaker 5: Taunted in the break between filming series one and two,
Speaker 5: I think either one two or two and three, Derek
Speaker 5: filmed the Antiques Ghost Show. Yeah, that didn't go down
Speaker 5: well either, really, but you know.
Speaker 1: The other thing was the books. You remember that and
Speaker 1: I have it. I have the what's it The Psychic
Speaker 1: Adventures of Derek Acorah. Yeah, I love that book. There
Speaker 1: was another way as well. I think I had them
Speaker 1: all on my Kindle. I love that.
Speaker 4: I think that might.
Speaker 1: Yeah really, but at the time that it kind of
Speaker 1: was there a crossover with Most Haunted and the books publication?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because the publisher put star.
Speaker 1: Well it was one of them. Did that? How could
Speaker 1: Derek have predicted it?
Speaker 5: How could he? How could he have predicted it? Indeed,
Speaker 5: I mean the all this would have been passed by
Speaker 5: Living Television, and any content in that book had to
Speaker 5: be passed by Living Television, who owned Most Haunted at
Speaker 5: that time, because I believe that when they commissioned the program,
Speaker 5: they bought the rights as well. So yeah, we sorted
Speaker 5: to all be discussed and passed with antics productions, but
Speaker 5: apparently not. You know.
Speaker 1: The thing is, you know, I think when things like
Speaker 1: that happened, just keep quiet, you know, just keep quiet
Speaker 1: about them and don't get upset by and they will pass,
Speaker 1: you know. So I don't know what the reaction of
Speaker 1: Karen Evett was to the book, but if it said
Speaker 1: Star of the Most Haunted, it probably went down like
Speaker 1: a French case of the Family Reunion, you know, absolutely.
Speaker 1: So listen, as I said, there was lots of afterlife
Speaker 1: after Most Taunted, and I want to I want to
Speaker 1: touch on a few things as well. I mean, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: even before the whole Most Taunted thing as well, in
Speaker 1: the Paranormal Research International or whatever in the States, they
Speaker 1: had you guys out to la and what have you,
Speaker 1: and they came over and turned to England. And this
Speaker 1: was all totally aside from Living Television, right, this was
Speaker 1: before yeah.
Speaker 5: Before before most haunted. This is the late nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 5: ninety nine. Yeah, it went over to Los Angeles and
Speaker 5: he did he did investigations in Hollywood. He was on
Speaker 5: the entertainment and programs such as that, and then the
Speaker 5: IPS came over here and did a series of investigations
Speaker 5: and they're available on or they were available on videotape.
Speaker 5: I don't know now it's so many years ago, but
Speaker 5: he wasn't some medium that had just been picked up.
Speaker 1: Not at all. Tell me, and you can tell me
Speaker 1: to mind my own business if you want. Do you
Speaker 1: got any royalties at all from any of the adventures
Speaker 1: at this stage? There's so much of it out there,
Speaker 1: the work, the body of work.
Speaker 5: No, No, The only the only thing that Derek gets
Speaker 5: royalties from to this day is his appearance song.
Speaker 4: Dr Who, Oh, Doctor Who.
Speaker 5: He was on the Army of Ghosts series with Billy
Speaker 5: Piper and the chat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the episode of Doctor Who the Army
Speaker 1: of Ghosts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and all miss him.
Speaker 1: Well with teeth like that. You've got a signal batman,
Speaker 1: you know, which reminds me as well. And I certainly
Speaker 1: would have hoped you'd got a few barbs out of
Speaker 1: this hang on, I have a I just have a
Speaker 1: premonition coming on now before I ask you about about
Speaker 1: big brother, right, which is what I'm going to ask about.
Speaker 1: Do you guys like you love you guys even before
Speaker 1: the whole thing took off. You love your holidays and stuff,
Speaker 1: and you were into you were into cruises and did
Speaker 1: it drive Derek bananas? When you know he'd be on
Speaker 1: a boat and people were looking for readings.
Speaker 5: And people didn't look for readings. They were very actually
Speaker 5: very kind. I mean people would always say hello and
Speaker 5: nice to meet you, and and maybe you know, would
Speaker 5: like an autograph for if they happened to have one,
Speaker 5: and be books you know what he signed. In fact,
Speaker 5: we were at Petra, we were in front of the
Speaker 5: treasure House and this chat came running over saying Derek Gora,
Speaker 5: Derek Corra and he pulled a book, one of Derek's
Speaker 5: books out of his backpack. Would sign would you sign this?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: So that it was but no, generally people were really nice,
Speaker 5: you know, they chat and say hello and this sort
Speaker 5: of thing. But he wasn't sound for reading.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just have a vision of the two of
Speaker 1: you on a boat, like you can't get away by
Speaker 1: the way. He went down well in Egypt as well,
Speaker 1: didn't he. I mean he was he was highly thought
Speaker 1: of over there.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Paranormal Egypt. He did a series of programs
Speaker 5: Paranormal Egypt Jets. That was another fabulous, fabulous experience because
Speaker 5: we just went to places that tourists don't normally go
Speaker 5: and into all the tombs and the aeries. Place I've
Speaker 5: ever been in my life was the Karen Museum at midnight.
Speaker 5: Oh it's it's an amazing place anyway, but when there's
Speaker 5: no people around and it's so huge, and you've got
Speaker 5: these huge, great mummies and whatever they call them, you know,
Speaker 5: these great.
Speaker 4: Carvings, yes, hieroglyphics.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was asked black though, wasn't he. I mean they
Speaker 1: were very impressed by him. I can't remember the professor
Speaker 1: or whoever it is, or the chief guy that's theared
Speaker 1: that looks after it woked. Yeah, he's high profile. And
Speaker 1: I noticed he took Eric as well.
Speaker 5: He did, Yes, he did. He was the Minister for
Speaker 5: on Twister Antiquities, Minister of Antiquities.
Speaker 1: I feel like that myself sometimes. Sixty two this year Gwen,
Speaker 1: am I still young?
Speaker 5: That's all right, seventy eight this year, So don't worry.
Speaker 1: God, you sound good on us. You sound great on it.
Speaker 1: And sure it's only look at it as I get that,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll be honest with you, Gwen. I used
Speaker 1: to think, oh, the forties and you thirty, and the
Speaker 1: fifties and you, and then you get to sixteen ago. No,
Speaker 1: but it's it's a very ridiculous because I'm sure like
Speaker 1: you at times, the mind doesn't really change the fact
Speaker 1: of anything. I feel younger, it doesn't.
Speaker 5: Know, your mind doesn't change. This is the this is
Speaker 5: the awful. I can remember my dad saying that his
Speaker 5: mind was, you know, the same as it had ever been,
Speaker 5: that just his body was letting him down. You know,
Speaker 5: I've got to the stage now where I know exactly
Speaker 5: what you meant.
Speaker 1: I know, I think back to my own father. He
Speaker 1: was a military guy who was a he was a
Speaker 1: colonel in the Irish Defense Force. It's a lovely, lovely man.
Speaker 1: And indeed you mentioned Petra in Jordan. That's why I
Speaker 1: was really interested, because as a kid I traveled all
Speaker 1: around the Middle East part of the United Nations. But
Speaker 1: he used to say to me in his Tipperary accent.
Speaker 1: The older I got, the quicker at and the order,
Speaker 1: you know, because i'd been marking a birthday. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sixty three this year, you know, and I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, your fellow Liverpudlians the Beatles, kind of basically
Speaker 1: declaring sixty four was aged when I'm sixty four. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, listen, I want to ask you about and
Speaker 1: we wrap up really soon, and I promise you because
Speaker 1: I've kept you up. Yeah, God love you. Probably in
Speaker 1: your Jammy's there with the coffee gun cold, but and
Speaker 1: i'd love to I mean this without its sound and corny,
Speaker 1: I'd love to give you a big hug because I
Speaker 1: think you're wonderful. I think the two of you were
Speaker 1: very much. I mean it, it's genuine, and you were lovely.
Speaker 1: You were a lovely couple. And i'd share a little
Speaker 1: bit about why I feel like I do about you shortly.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't sound as dodgy as it sounds, by
Speaker 1: the way, So look at the big brother came along.
Speaker 1: I hope there was a bit of a wedge for
Speaker 1: him in that. Anyway, it's not all about money, and
Speaker 1: I know that But what I loved about him? Did
Speaker 1: he come second in it? Did he? Or he was
Speaker 1: four fourth? Oh well a stone's throw away from second.
Speaker 5: Yes, he was at the final We wouldn't neither of
Speaker 5: us expected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not only that. Do you know what
Speaker 1: he charmed the young people?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yes, he got on with everybody. He enjoyed himself enormously,
Speaker 5: really really did he loved it? And you know, you
Speaker 5: hear people say, oh it was so dreadful, it was this,
Speaker 5: it was well, it was not for Derek. It wasn't
Speaker 5: he enjoyed. He was good everybody who waits snoring?
Speaker 1: Oh did he?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He was good for But I remember, I mean I
Speaker 1: kind of dipped in and out of it myself. But
Speaker 1: I watched it one night and there was some young
Speaker 1: felt almost incredulous. I don't know what contestant it was,
Speaker 1: or a guest or whatever I called, but he was
Speaker 1: talking about Derek in his gun He's lovely, He's like
Speaker 1: an unc And then Derek would say residual energy here
Speaker 1: feels like that's that sound Scottish actually, you know, the
Speaker 1: residual energy and like it was an old famine pit
Speaker 1: or something that they were filming over that's what he thought.
Speaker 1: So look at I said, I'd say some of the
Speaker 1: reasons that I feel like you about. Like nobody else
Speaker 1: I've had on scary Era, and it's this I as
Speaker 1: a fifty something year old. First of all, I used
Speaker 1: to love because it's quite a bit of social media
Speaker 1: of Derek. You know, he was having a stab at
Speaker 1: it towards the end, right, So I would get insights
Speaker 1: into Ray. Who is this Derek's road manager also known
Speaker 1: as Rogers, Right, yeah, And he had this little series
Speaker 1: where you basically got to fly on the wall view
Speaker 1: at Derek's life. And I thought to himself, I like
Speaker 1: this life. He's in Wales one minute, he's up the
Speaker 1: m one the next he's in Scotland. So and so
Speaker 1: it's a traveling man. It's a bit of a show man.
Speaker 1: He makes people feel good. I don't get into any
Speaker 1: kind of negative fakery and all that. I think it's
Speaker 1: a good living to give people hope. So i'd see
Speaker 1: this guy who's you know, he'd be there the picture
Speaker 1: I had him of the studio, right, he had something
Speaker 1: like a coffee and he's had a chuck adoodle. I
Speaker 1: even remember it. That will show you now that I'm
Speaker 1: not just making it up about the picture in the studio.
Speaker 1: He was holding a chocerdoodle and he had that a
Speaker 1: white turtleneck and a black jacket. He was always very
Speaker 1: very elegant. As I said, the two of you is
Speaker 1: such a lovely couple. And but you know, he was
Speaker 1: quite dapper, and the hair was never out of place.
Speaker 1: And I know he would have you know what, you'll
Speaker 1: be well able for it. Anyway, there would have been
Speaker 1: female attention around him. But I used to look at
Speaker 1: this guy going up and down the roadways of the
Speaker 1: UK with the occasional for a maybe over to a
Speaker 1: little jaunt over to Spain or whatever to join say
Speaker 1: Colin Fry and and of course then he had the
Speaker 1: tuxedo and all the rest of dinner jackets. And I said,
Speaker 1: this is great, you know. So I used to get
Speaker 1: that insight as a fifty something new I look at
Speaker 1: it and I said, Derry could cheer me up right.
Speaker 1: So he'd be on about Roger Rodgers, or he'd be
Speaker 1: sleeping in the car. There's a nice one of them
Speaker 1: down somewhere in Wales, I think, and he's having a
Speaker 1: coffee with some guy down there is a nice chat.
Speaker 1: The other thing I used to see was your Facebook
Speaker 1: lives on Sundays.
Speaker 4: Oh right, yes, I looked in on them.
Speaker 1: Right, and I know that you were people of a
Speaker 1: certain age grappling with technology at times as I am.
Speaker 1: But you did well on it, right, because remember you'd
Speaker 1: be waiting for the three to want the camera to go.
Speaker 1: You didn't know whether it was on or not.
Speaker 5: That's right. There were many, many and many a time
Speaker 5: when I'd be on my hands and knees on the
Speaker 5: floor with my hand on the actual keyboard, trying to
Speaker 5: do things where therek was doing everything rotten or.
Speaker 1: Not, that's right. And I get these little well you're
Speaker 1: like darbian Joners, but but I get an insight into you.
Speaker 1: And I'd be waiting on the Sundays and I knew
Speaker 1: there was like a zoo, if not a menagerie out
Speaker 1: the back. There's there's all kinds of animals and no
Speaker 1: one's ark in there at times. Right, So he had
Speaker 1: he had the koi fish. Remember he go out for
Speaker 1: the city. You sit on the on the end of
Speaker 1: the pool. There are the cooi. Are the coys still
Speaker 1: knocking around or have they gone?
Speaker 5: Oh yes, no, no, they're still here, everything still here.
Speaker 1: Are the dogs still alive?
Speaker 4: Of course?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What breed are they?
Speaker 4: The big Pool Standard?
Speaker 5: The standard poodles? Yeah, Milliam Merlin mun Mulins sitting looking
Speaker 5: a bit right?
Speaker 1: Get this? You gets this Irish prat off the line.
Speaker 1: I want my pettigree chong but yeah, God knows what
Speaker 1: it is, but anyway, somebody's making money out of it.
Speaker 1: But there was pictures of Derek and he'd have the
Speaker 1: two of them in his arms like they were his buddies.
Speaker 1: Used to just love that kind of little window on
Speaker 1: your life in a in a in a wholesome way, Gwen.
Speaker 1: But I'd look at now that The other inside I
Speaker 1: got was one time you were you were waiting to
Speaker 1: go on, and this proved to me as I said,
Speaker 1: you were having You were wrestling with technology at times, right,
Speaker 1: so you weren't going to be in the mood to
Speaker 1: conjure or make or contrive something up right, And he
Speaker 1: was talking to you. You won't even remember this, Gwen,
Speaker 1: because but I'm such an afficiado of man. Right, you
Speaker 1: were waiting for the camera to come on, and he
Speaker 1: and Derek said to you, you said, there's atmosphere here
Speaker 1: tonight or something isn't there And he said to you, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're active, they're around tonight. And he was talking about
Speaker 1: spirit people I suppose, or is energies. It was that
Speaker 1: unguarded moment. I remember thinking he's not making this up.
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, any there was unfortunately an awful lot
Speaker 5: sort of comments and chat went out when we were unaware.
Speaker 1: Yes, well I have to sorry you mention. I'm sorry
Speaker 1: now you walk yourself into this, Gwen, because one of
Speaker 1: the videos I hold dear is when you remember he
Speaker 1: was going through his he was going through a kind
Speaker 1: of a trunk of his memories, right, and you were
Speaker 1: behind him filming. You remember you know where I'm going
Speaker 1: with this.
Speaker 5: And I the most saunted memorabilia.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and he was laughing. He was laughing at
Speaker 1: his pacelip. He said, everyone thinks I'm a millionaire. Look
Speaker 1: at this. What the other thing was? And if you
Speaker 1: had all these little didn't you have all these little
Speaker 1: like little trophies.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, yes there, I've got tons of stuff and
Speaker 5: I really actually must get rid of it all. I've
Speaker 5: even got these signs to the Jerk Cory ghost Town signpost,
Speaker 5: which is yeah and all his clothes are still in suitcases,
Speaker 5: and you know, but all the Memorabiliah. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 5: know what I'm going to do with it.
Speaker 1: Actually, well, you know what when he was when he
Speaker 1: was if you pardon the expression, rooting in his drawers, right,
Speaker 1: you were standing behind filming it and you were saying
Speaker 1: to him, listen, Derek, this is all fine and good,
Speaker 1: but when you got your big backside out of the way.
Speaker 4: I don't remember that one, okay.
Speaker 1: And also so very quickly now we will wrap it
Speaker 1: up because I'm after take him far too much of
Speaker 1: your time, even so generous with it, but really quickly.
Speaker 1: I loved his little radio podcast, Joe, do you remember it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1: Remember he had this thing. You'd play music and he
Speaker 1: would have this vision of Salmon himself. Of course, Samuel's
Speaker 1: his spirit guide, and they were going. It was kind
Speaker 1: of poortent portent in the way. I remember thinking about
Speaker 1: it after he passed, you know, but beyond this journey,
Speaker 1: he knew he was going somewhere else. They'd go into
Speaker 1: this room. See it was there like a meditation thing,
Speaker 1: like and I know you like you have someone had
Speaker 1: to sit down and write that out that's okay, that's
Speaker 1: well and good. But with the thought that counts right,
Speaker 1: and you'd go he'd go into this room where describes
Speaker 1: or whatever would say have you been a good boy
Speaker 1: or bad? And they wouldn't necessarily judge you as so,
Speaker 1: but but but you know, you'd be called to account.
Speaker 1: And then he'd go outside, and he said, and there
Speaker 1: are letters on the wall. I don't know, I can't
Speaker 1: understand what they say, but this incredible music would be behind.
Speaker 1: It's really great music. I know you listed in the book,
Speaker 1: which by the way, is called Haunted and Hallowed, the
Speaker 1: Dereka Cora Memory Memory Memoir written by Gwen and Dereka Korra,
Speaker 1: because it's important to say that Derek's own hand is
Speaker 1: in this book as well. So you've got you've got
Speaker 1: some of the manuscript on a book he was planning,
Speaker 1: and you've incorporated beautifully.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I a loss has been incorporated. Some hasn't
Speaker 5: because I thought it was a bit.
Speaker 1: Ah, you're right, you know you make that you make
Speaker 1: a good call. And I said, you were always very
Speaker 1: very diplomatic until you know, you were put into a
Speaker 1: position where you had to really give you a side
Speaker 1: of account. And tell me, I know he was buddies,
Speaker 1: funny enough talk about being maligned and been parodied and
Speaker 1: all the rest of it. Youre David Ike and himself
Speaker 1: were great buddies.
Speaker 5: Yes, there were, Yes, David. You visit Derek regularly when
Speaker 5: he's had his office in Victoria Streets in Liverpool, and
Speaker 5: they kept in touch over the years and often spoke
Speaker 5: when David was over in America. He'd you know, keep
Speaker 5: Derek updated with what was going on and the sort
Speaker 5: of thing. So yes, yes, he and David I were
Speaker 5: good friends.
Speaker 1: Because David himself, in his own words, has taken monumental
Speaker 1: levels of ridicule in his life. But in the world
Speaker 1: the words of Adamant, ridicule is nothing to be scared of,
Speaker 1: you know. And he's thriving now more than ever because
Speaker 1: a lot of what David has said has kind of
Speaker 1: come to pass. But I remember he guessed it on
Speaker 1: Derek's show and that was a great, great episode. And listen,
Speaker 1: I remember him working on something else as well. Maybe
Speaker 1: you can talk about it, maybe you can't. Beyond the Grave?
Speaker 1: Was that a project that never happened? It looked good,
Speaker 1: It looked.
Speaker 5: Good, didn't it was it was really good, and then
Speaker 5: the chat that we were doing it with yes, disappeared
Speaker 5: with all the footage.
Speaker 1: Oh no, and it's not even out there. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: We can't we can't even pirate it. There you go.
Speaker 1: You've got to put everything in writing, as you know,
Speaker 1: when it comes to merchandise, you'll say no more. You
Speaker 1: got to put it in write very very quickly. Here
Speaker 1: as I just move on, So we've talked about the
Speaker 1: fish the football. You know, sure he was a member,
Speaker 1: he was on the he was with with Liverpool anyway
Speaker 1: as a schoolboys, so he'd know the Bill Shankly thing,
Speaker 1: which was huge. And as we come to a close
Speaker 1: here with the lovely Gwen Acora, I want to just
Speaker 1: ask you. Let me just ask this question. First of all,
Speaker 1: let's say you're walking down the road and you meet
Speaker 1: a vest would you have much to stay to her?
Speaker 5: If I saw her in the distance, I'd probably turn
Speaker 5: around and more give the opposite direction. Yeah, I would,
Speaker 5: because I'm not a confrontational person. But I'm not somebody
Speaker 5: who shies away either.
Speaker 1: You don't mess with scout lady.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not argumentative. I wouldn't argue or shout or
Speaker 5: scream or any of those things. But if somebody has
Speaker 5: some sort of beef over something, I'd rather they say
Speaker 5: it and talk to me about it.
Speaker 1: Of course, then we would.
Speaker 5: Hit a chatter behind me back, go on to sort
Speaker 5: of Facebook and put these cryptic quotes and all this
Speaker 5: sort of thing. I'd rather, you know, it's my face
Speaker 5: and then maybe we can clear this.
Speaker 1: Matter up and be done with it. And we're certainly
Speaker 1: done on that subject. And also, I know Pathfinder Dogs
Speaker 1: is close to your heart. And Derek, by the way,
Speaker 1: he used to have some great parties, didn't you. You know,
Speaker 1: the kind of fans of Derek Acora and all that.
Speaker 1: Do you remember remember him in the kilt and he
Speaker 1: flashes in the kilt? That was one and the other
Speaker 1: thing I loved. He was about sixty five at the time,
Speaker 1: I know, because I'm so paranoid about my own age. Right,
Speaker 1: was he was? I think he was in Spain and
Speaker 1: that song because I'm happy, Yeah, out on the side
Speaker 1: of the road. That used to just cheer me up.
Speaker 5: No way, that was we We weren't actually in Spain,
Speaker 5: and that was that was filmed. We were on the
Speaker 5: banks of Roman, was that right? Yeah? Yeah, that was.
Speaker 1: That was he was in such good form, you know,
Speaker 1: and you can see the other thing was it was
Speaker 1: the charisma. The people that he say he's dancing with,
Speaker 1: they all loved him, and I knew there was some
Speaker 1: nice dinners there and all the rest of it, and
Speaker 1: the two of you in your in your finery, glitteraty
Speaker 1: whatever it was. It was lovely being in the court
Speaker 1: of Derek Okra. I have to say, Lady Gwen to them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and look. The other thing is, what do you think
Speaker 1: his legacy should be?
Speaker 5: Oh, it's legacy. I think be kind and show a
Speaker 5: bit of humility. I think that's what his legacy would
Speaker 5: should be, because that was the first person she wants
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: And you know what else him and Sam I reckon
Speaker 1: what adventures those two were up to. But also very quickly,
Speaker 1: what's life like for Gwen these days? Are you? Are
Speaker 1: you feeling it? Or do you? Do you ruminate a lot?
Speaker 1: Or are you I think you're a people person.
Speaker 5: I obviously it's not something that you want to do.
Speaker 5: But you have to continue on with your life, don't you.
Speaker 5: I see friends, I go out for dinner, ye, I
Speaker 5: do normal, normal things. I go on holiday. First time
Speaker 5: I've been on a plan. I'm going on a fortnight
Speaker 5: holiday this year. It took me about four years to
Speaker 5: go away the first time, and now I'm going away
Speaker 5: this year. Yeah. So yeah, life carries on, but there's
Speaker 5: always a bit of missing course of.
Speaker 1: Course, but it gets I don't think it, you know,
Speaker 1: it necessarily heals, but it gets easier. And also I
Speaker 1: think just be aware now there could be a bit
Speaker 1: of a nuisance, like people like myself or whatever, but
Speaker 1: just be aware there are so many people who loved Derek,
Speaker 1: but it's not just about Derek. Like you must hear
Speaker 1: it in me. I mean I loved you guys as
Speaker 1: a couple. I saw a lot more than just all
Speaker 1: the you know, spoons flying around the place. To me,
Speaker 1: you were you were a nice template for how decent
Speaker 1: people should be. And good people are scarce, Gwen, right,
Speaker 1: and I know that well, you know well you're one
Speaker 1: of the good people. And I want to thank you.
Speaker 1: So you're very welcome, and I mean it, so look
Speaker 1: at wrap up well, missus Akora. You are very loved
Speaker 1: and you are very generous to give us your time
Speaker 1: here this evening. Would you take care of yourself?
Speaker 5: I will I will and thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Good night, darling, Gwen. We all love you. Bye bye.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, A couple of things over the years. But
Speaker 8: I've learned, well, I don't. I suppose it's not learned.
Speaker 8: I've just become accustomed to it. And I think it's
Speaker 8: kind of it's it's maybe it's another sense or something.
Speaker 8: But often when you go into places, you will get
Speaker 8: a feeling for the place, and you'll get a feeling
Speaker 8: of whether or not it's comfortable. And whatever cause is that,
Speaker 8: who knows what causes that. But we have an intuition.
Speaker 8: We have an inbuilt intuition. I can't describe what it
Speaker 8: is or where it comes from, or the physics of
Speaker 8: it or the chemistry of it, but it's there. And
Speaker 8: anybody will will tell you to stick with your intuition.
Speaker 8: If you think something doesn't feel right, then don't don't
Speaker 8: hang around.
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