WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:05.040 You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best 2 00:00:05.120 --> 00:00:08.960 in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world. 3 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:24.000 Era is the Irish or Gaelic word for Ireland. So 4 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:26.960 take it easy or as we say in Gaelic, lig 5 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:31.199 the ski and listen to all things concerning the paranormal 6 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:37.280 in Ireland and indeed beyond. Welcome to Scary Era. 7 00:00:37.960 --> 00:00:41.280 All views are Mark Manning's own, but you can express 8 00:00:41.320 --> 00:00:43.520 them too if you want to be right about everything 9 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:44.200 like he is. 10 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:59.799 Mark Manning in association with Paranormal Radio UK. Welcome to Scary. 11 00:01:00.560 --> 00:01:03.560 Time to grab that coffee or pour that glass of wine. 12 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:08.599 Today I'm proud to present for you at Dereka Cora Special. 13 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:13.400 We all loved ourskouser Derek, and shortly we'll have the 14 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:17.319 honor of being joined by his widow, Gwen, who I've 15 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:20.159 just taken to in a big way because I find 16 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:23.120 her so refreshing and down to earth. For those of 17 00:01:23.159 --> 00:01:25.760 you living on Mars, the late Derreka Cora was a 18 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:30.079 British television personality. A psychic medium, someone who says they 19 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.640 can communicate with spirits of the dead. He was best 20 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:36.719 known for appearing on paranormal TV shows in the UK. 21 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:41.159 Although well established and well known, he gained major popularity 22 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:44.040 on the TV show Most Haunted, which aired from two 23 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:46.799 thousand and two to two thousand and five. During his 24 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:50.000 time on the program, the show followed a team investigating 25 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:54.120 reportedly haunted locations around the UK and Ireland, and the 26 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:58.519 States as well. Derek was, in my view, the master 27 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:02.560 of sensing spirits and relaying messages from them, often entering 28 00:02:02.760 --> 00:02:06.400 trance like states. Now, if you think today I'm going 29 00:02:06.439 --> 00:02:09.759 to dig down and dirty about the whole Kiran O'Keeffe 30 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:14.800 and the Creed Kaffer Gait controversy, well I'm not go 31 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:17.879 google Kron o'keef and Derek Korra. If that's your thing, 32 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:21.680 maybe someday we'll talk to Kiran O'Keeffe himself and ask 33 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:23.919 him did he do that of his own volition or 34 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:26.919 was he perhaps coerced into it? Either way, that's for 35 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:31.439 him and his conscience to decide. For me, Derreka Cora 36 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:34.400 was pure entertainment. No matter what you thought about him, 37 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:38.039 he was a pure showman and entertainer, which are all 38 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:41.479 needed to be a psychic medium. Worth watching now for 39 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:45.120 those of you who like fact more than gossip. The 40 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:48.319 main presenter of Most Haunted, A Vett Fielding, published her 41 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:51.319 memoirs in twenty twenty four in which she made certain 42 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:55.439 allegations about Derreka Korra. And it's only right that Gwenecora 43 00:02:55.520 --> 00:03:00.159 gets an opportunity to refute aforementioned allegations. And in this show, oh, 44 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:04.599 you'll hear her doing exactly that. So stand by because 45 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:07.639 she'd be joining us on the phone very shortly in 46 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.919 her Liverpool home. And indeed you and I will be 47 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:18.919 spending over an hour in Gwen's cozy company. But first, random, anonymous, 48 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:22.680 strange but true. 49 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:26.919 I stayed with my husband's family over one Christmas. I 50 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:28.919 was pregnant at the time, so I went to bed 51 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.680 early while the others stayed up playing cards. I woke 52 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:33.800 up and saw my husband just standing at the side 53 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:35.520 of the bed. I was about to say, what are 54 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:37.520 you doing? Get in, but then I felt my husband 55 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:40.800 lying next to me asleep. I know it wasn't a 56 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:43.120 dream because I put my hand in his chest and 57 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:47.759 felt him breathing. So a ghost of my husband was 58 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:48.960 looking down at himself. 59 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:50.159 I was so. 60 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.360 Terrified I couldn't even speak, so I covered my head 61 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:55.719 with a blanket and eventually fell back to sleep. The 62 00:03:55.759 --> 00:03:59.080 next day I started searching what could it mean? And 63 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:03.479 there's an Irish paranormal phenomenon called a fetch. A fetch 64 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:07.400 is basically a ghost or copy of a living person 65 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:10.280 that means that either the person will die soon or 66 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:13.840 have really good fortune, depending on the time of day 67 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:18.879 that the fetch appears. Bad ermen at night, good Ermene 68 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:23.160 in the morning. Unfortunately, I didn't check the time, so 69 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:25.800 I have no idea if it was nighttime or the 70 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:29.279 wee hours of the morning. He's still alive and kicking. 71 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.279 But I was so paranoid. In the days after that, 72 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:33.920 I hid the hoodie the fetch was wearing. 73 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:34.199 Hum. 74 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:37.920 When I was in school, I had a friend that 75 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:40.279 lived in an estate that had a reputation of being 76 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:42.560 the worst in the town. He told me that one 77 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.120 of his neighbors had a pair of the Cursed Crying 78 00:04:45.279 --> 00:04:49.079 Child paintings in the house. I thought cool, so after 79 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:51.560 school we went to see them. He took me to 80 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:53.920 a house that looked derelict and knocked on the door. 81 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:58.399 A spinly dirty person of indeterminate age and gender opened 82 00:04:58.399 --> 00:05:01.439 the door, and my friend said can we see the paintings? 83 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:04.519 The person nodded and led us into the house. The 84 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:08.560 house was damp and dirty and absolutely stank. There were 85 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:11.399 no carpets and the rotten floorboards sagged as we walked 86 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:14.680 on them. There were no lights, but in the dim 87 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:17.759 hallway I could see the peeling wallpaper and dug shit 88 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:21.240 on the floor. The resident opened a door under the 89 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:24.199 stairs and took out two paintings and propped them against 90 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:28.360 the wall, then immediately left the hall into a back room. 91 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:30.399 As we looked at them, I could hear the person 92 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:34.279 start to cry and shriek in the back room like 93 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:38.600 It wasn't a supernatural occurrence, but it unexpectedly ended up 94 00:05:38.639 --> 00:05:42.120 in a near derelict house with someone who had psychiatric 95 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.360 and possibly substance issues. I was about fourteen at the time, 96 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.959 and twenty five years later I often think about how 97 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.319 awful that person's life must have been. 98 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:57.680 My old man had two stories from his old fella. 99 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.959 So rural Ireland in the nineteen fifty was probably one 100 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:03.680 hundred years behind the rest of Europe. It was very 101 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:08.800 religious and very superstitious. The first involved him grand at 102 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:13.360 cycling home from his firm laborer job. It was late 103 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:16.959 and dark, and when he was passing by a corner 104 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:19.519 he saw an open coffin by the side of the road. 105 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:23.879 Slightly freaked out, he went over and looked in to 106 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:28.279 see his young, just married daughter inside, and then it 107 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:31.279 was gone. He rushed home to find out his daughter 108 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.240 had passed away a short time earlier. The exact time 109 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:38.839 he would have seen the coffin the second story was 110 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:41.160 when he and his siblings would be lying in bed 111 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.680 at night. They would hear the fiddle being taken down 112 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.399 and the table being set, and then the sound of 113 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:51.759 people talking and drinking. I didn't know my grandfather. He 114 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:54.839 died when I was very young, but I suspect that 115 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:58.120 the first story might be due to a man who, 116 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:02.720 from the stories I've heard, suffered from severe PTSD from 117 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:05.439 his time in the trenches in the Somme. But the 118 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:09.040 second story, as I got older, I realized it was 119 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:12.279 probably just his parents having a party and not wanting 120 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:15.199 the kids annoying them. Said this to my old fellow, though, 121 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:17.399 who was not impressed. 122 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:21.240 Well, this is scary era, And for those of you 123 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:24.560 who don't know what era means, it's the Irish word 124 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:29.279 for Ireland, and of course A dearly beloved city very 125 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:33.439 close to Ireland is Liverpool, and a whole Derek chorus 126 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:36.519 story begins in Liverpool. We're going to start relating to 127 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:41.160 you now because I have his widow Gwen on the line. 128 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:43.959 Good evening to you, Gwen, Good evening, Mark. 129 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.279 Do you know I could probably throw a stone from 130 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:49.240 my studio wup across the Irish Sea and hit your house. 131 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:53.480 Possibly, yes you could. It doesn't take long to get 132 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:55.519 between the two cities. 133 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:58.720 And of course Derek had an affinity for the Irish. 134 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:04.000 I think absolutely yes he did. He did because his 135 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:09.439 family on both sides had Irish links, as I do myself. 136 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:11.879 Really, do you know what part of Ireland they're from? 137 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:16.519 I don't know what to pass violand Derek's family came from, 138 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:19.000 but my links were Northern Irish. 139 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.319 Ah. My good lady is is a Belfast woman herself. 140 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:24.199 So there you go. And actually you have right, you 141 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:26.920 have the same coloring. You know, you've got that lovely 142 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:31.160 hair together. I just thought i'd mentioned that put me 143 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:32.759 in the good books as well with the missus. Who 144 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:35.679 knows how big an admirer I want to say, admirer 145 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.360 of Derek akra I was because I think if you 146 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:38.879 say you're. 147 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:42.759 A fan, Derek hated the words fan himself. He preferred 148 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:44.559 to refer to them mis friends. 149 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:47.840 Actually, before we go into this which I believe is 150 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:56.000 a big, rich tapestry containing life, look love the paranormal. 151 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:59.600 It was a big thing rather than just the whole 152 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.120 taunted thing that you hear about all the time. 153 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:08.039 And that's what was most taunted. Was only a brief, 154 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.919 a brief moment in time as far as Derek's life 155 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:13.200 was confirmed. 156 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:17.120 Of course, and it was such a life, and we're 157 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:18.919 going to go through it. So I don't want to 158 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.200 just you know, dump into that end of things, which is, 159 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:24.080 you know, it's all been said and kind of done 160 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.639 and dusted. We of course we'll address it, but I'm 161 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:28.879 not going to make it the focal point of our 162 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:32.639 chat because I have got when a Korra talking to me, 163 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:34.320 and you know, it's a big thing for me. I 164 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:39.159 have a picture of Derek in my studio. I can 165 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:41.519 feel Derek telling me not to be such a prass. 166 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:43.480 But it was just the way I felt, you know. 167 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:47.919 So look, let's just get on. It's the sixth anniversary 168 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:48.759 only recently. 169 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:51.399 Let's just get that bit out of January. 170 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:54.360 So close to Christmas and everything. It was tragic. So 171 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.320 can I just bring you back there so we address 172 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:01.399 it and get it out of the way. What happened? 173 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:03.759 You both became in to take it from there. 174 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:08.360 Yes, we both had flu. What we didn't know and 175 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:12.480 what nobody knew at that point in time, was it 176 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:17.200 was such a virulent strain of flu. People had been 177 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:22.720 calling ill since October. I can remember when Derek did 178 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:28.919 his Halloween event and people then were ill. They had 179 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:31.919 to cancel and this sort of thing. And we tottered 180 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:36.519 through to Christmas. We were vine, and then the day 181 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:41.960 after Boxing Day we both started feeling quite ill. Well 182 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:47.519 but not in a cold source of way. It was 183 00:10:47.559 --> 00:10:50.840 a fluey type of thing. We were supposed to be 184 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:54.679 going out on New Year's Eve to celebrate, but we 185 00:10:54.840 --> 00:11:02.559 canceled and on New Year's Day Derek hands went white. 186 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:05.600 He was really ill. We were both ill, but he 187 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:10.639 was really ill. And so I telephoned Ray, who was 188 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:16.320 Derek's tour manager and driver and friend, and he fulfilled 189 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:20.519 everything for Derek on the road, and because I felt 190 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:23.000 so dreadfully on myself, I asked him whether he would 191 00:11:23.039 --> 00:11:27.799 take Derek to hospital, which he did, and when he 192 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:31.600 came back from the hospital he told me that Derek 193 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:36.840 had been put into a medical coma. I didn't quite 194 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:42.360 understand why that would be, because he wasn't gasping for 195 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:46.440 breath or anything like that. It was just he was ill, 196 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:51.600 and obviously there was something radically wrong if his blood 197 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.320 was sort of rushing towards the center of his body 198 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:59.120 more than his extremities. And so at one o'clock in 199 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:02.799 the morning of the second of January got called to 200 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:06.879 the hospital because he was dangerously ill. He was still 201 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:12.480 in an induced coma, and we were sat with him 202 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:17.480 all night, really, and I came home because we have gone, 203 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:21.279 we have cats, we have chickens. I came home for 204 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:23.879 an hour or two to see two of them. And 205 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:27.840 it was a very strange thing. I came into the 206 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:30.519 kitchen where the dogs are, and it's a very long 207 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:35.519 it's a very big room, and there is there was 208 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:40.799 a set of of French doors through into a conservatory. 209 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:44.759 And as I was standing, he was halfway down the kitchen. 210 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:49.600 I opened see French doors and the Conservative doors to 211 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:55.279 let the dogs out. I saw Derek, saw him, I 212 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:58.919 saw him. He was still in hospital. He was still 213 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:02.960 in an U was coma. But I saw him walking 214 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.919 through the door into the conservatory and out of the 215 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:12.200 conservatory door, and he wasn't worrying what he'd gone into hospital. 216 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:16.639 He'd gone into hospital wearing a jog in suit thing, 217 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:20.320 but when I saw him, he had a pair of 218 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.240 jeans and an aviator jacket on, which were items of 219 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:29.360 clothing that he owned. And he just walked away. And 220 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:35.240 it was then that I thought he's gone. But he 221 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:38.840 was still here. He was still physically here, but. 222 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:40.559 Leting you know, he was going. 223 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:44.559 It must have been. I mean, I'm not a person 224 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:50.399 who sees ghost or even Yes, I believe in the paranormal, 225 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:53.399 and I do believe that things happened, but I think 226 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:57.120 it's greatly exaggerated in a lot of occasions, you know, Yes, 227 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:02.200 but yeah, And I went back to the hospital and 228 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:07.919 I was then told that they were going to turn 229 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:12.399 off the equipment that was keeping him alive. Basically he 230 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:17.559 was on dialysis and heart medicine and this, and he 231 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:20.840 was on all all sorts of things, and they did 232 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:25.120 turn everything off because he wouldn't be able to sustain 233 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:32.279 his life without help. And his heart stopped after half 234 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:36.360 an hour, just sort of five minutes or so into 235 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:38.679 the fourth of January. 236 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:42.960 Your heart must have been wrenched out. 237 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:48.720 I was in shop. You don't you don't absorb, You don't. 238 00:14:48.840 --> 00:14:54.799 You don't absorb the reality of or at each side. Didn't. 239 00:14:55.440 --> 00:15:00.159 I couldn't accept it. I couldn't accept it to talk. Well, 240 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:04.320 it was just it wasn't real. It was though I 241 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:06.879 was living in the parallel universe, you know, sort of 242 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:09.919 this thing happening, but here's me. I'm at home and 243 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.919 Derek's on the road. You know. That was the way 244 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:17.799 that it was, you know. So that was the way 245 00:15:18.279 --> 00:15:21.279 I felt at that time. And of course it was 246 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:25.120 only a few days later that everybody started talking about 247 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:30.000 the COVID coronavirus, wasn't it. That's where it started off, 248 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:35.159 and all the symptoms were. Derek had the classic symptoms. 249 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.919 People were shown on the television in bed in induced 250 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:43.519 combas not only everything. 251 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:45.559 But Gwen, you know, it was really on. There was 252 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:47.840 a couple of unfortunate timings in this whole thing. Okay, 253 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:50.639 so you had it was around Christmas and you were 254 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:53.120 you were all looking forward to everything. You were actually 255 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:56.200 on the cusp of Derek's seventieth birthday. 256 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:59.759 Yes, yes, he was looking forward to that, wasn't he. 257 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:02.960 Oh, he absolutely was. Yes, we have plans for a 258 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:08.360 big party. And the year twenty twenty, he said that 259 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:12.919 going to be his last year of touring and working, 260 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:16.320 and he was he was going to retire because he 261 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:19.159 died on the fourth and he was. He would have 262 00:16:19.200 --> 00:16:24.360 been seventy on the twenty seventh January, seventy years by 263 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:25.240 three weeks. 264 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:29.799 So your world, your world is turned upside down, and 265 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:33.399 a few days later the whole world as we knew it, 266 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:36.480 and we're still recovering from it. I think we're still 267 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:38.639 traumatized as turned upside down. 268 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:39.159 Yeah. 269 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.480 Yeah, So at final just on that side, I want 270 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:46.440 to we've addressed that, and I think it's at the 271 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:48.799 start we should have done that rather than the end, 272 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:50.879 because I want to end on a high on this 273 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:53.639 whole story. As I said to you without it sounding 274 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:57.519 kind of mawkish, you have you any subsequent signs since 275 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:01.519 do you think or communications from or is that. 276 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.920 Not a huge amount. There was one occasion when I 277 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.240 was feeling some vegetables in the kitchen and he stood 278 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:11.440 next When I say he stood next to me, you 279 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:16.279 know when you feel as though somebody's there and you 280 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:21.119 turn around to say to them whatever. I had that feeling. 281 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:25.960 I turned around, but he wasn't there, said, I couldn't 282 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:29.200 see anything, but I definitely had the feeling that he 283 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:33.480 had been stood next to me on that occasion. There's 284 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:37.920 been occasions when the dogs have been looking into the 285 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:41.759 living room and wagging the tails and you know, all 286 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:46.039 these classic things. But do I get the feeling that 287 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:49.319 he's around here all the time. No, but I'm sure 288 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:54.799 that he is, you know. I don't disbelieve that he 289 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:59.440 has just shuffled off this mortal coil and gone elsewhere 290 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:03.519 and never to be seen again. But I can remember 291 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.319 a medium saying to me, you know, sort of when 292 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:10.000 I said, why don't if he'd only just show himself 293 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:13.559 to I could only see him, he said. The medium said, 294 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:19.480 were you clurred on him before Derek died? And I said, well, no, no, no, 295 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:22.880 I wasn't. What makes you think that you might be 296 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.319 blurred for him, now, you know? And that sort of 297 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:27.720 brought it home to me. 298 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:29.920 You should have said, you tell me you're the psychic? 299 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:40.000 Yeah, but yes, so I'm sure he is here. Yes, 300 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:46.319 I had somebody come along they asked, actually, and I 301 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:49.960 agreed with what's something called e. 302 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:55.000 V voice phenomena. 303 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:59.319 Yes, And they came in and largely there was nothing 304 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:03.400 but in wander hum where Derek had a snooker table 305 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:08.599 there and it has a wooden floor, and there was 306 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:14.880 a definite sound of somebody walking in leather shoes sold 307 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:19.400 shoes that Derek always wore oather sold shoes across the floor, 308 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:27.279 and the mirrors, breadth of the word Derek. Those two 309 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:31.519 little things were the only things that nowhere else nowhere 310 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:34.880 in the house. There was nothing, nothing at all, just 311 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:39.240 those two small things that were picked picked up with 312 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:41.039 EVP equipment. 313 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:46.160 Wow, well he's still around. I always got the yes, 314 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:49.039 I got the sense from him anyway. He was never 315 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:51.480 well any time I listened to him. Particularly remember he 316 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:53.559 had his own little kind of podcast radio show thing. 317 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:54.880 I used to love that he did. 318 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.200 Yeah, and I really, I genuinely listened to that all 319 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:00.640 the time, Gwen. But I always got a sense of 320 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:07.279 it's all bigger than just this. It's an expanse whatever 321 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:10.720 existence is. It was. It was bigger than Derek, and 322 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:12.440 he knew it, and he'd say it. 323 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:16.480 Oh, yes, absolutely, Because as you might remember, of course 324 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:18.200 I'm not telling you your business. 325 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:20.400 You tell me. But I know he was into, say, 326 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:23.319 meditation as well, so he was into the whole mind. 327 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:24.920 Yes he was. 328 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:29.279 Yes, Yes, he had a room in the house that 329 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:35.920 he used and kept very quiet, and that's where he 330 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:41.839 used to meditate. And he used to play music, lovely 331 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:43.039 spiritual music. 332 00:20:43.160 --> 00:20:46.359 I think it was around did you remember. I heard 333 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:49.319 him say one time it was around eleven o'clock most nights. 334 00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:52.240 That was that was his time. And he said even 335 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:53.960 if he was at a show, he would try and 336 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:56.119 get home for to be at home in that room 337 00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:57.000 at eleven o'clock. 338 00:20:57.400 --> 00:20:59.400 Yes, and when he was at home, I mean it 339 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:02.279 wasn't when he used to travel far and wide as 340 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:06.000 you know, but when he was at home he would meditate. 341 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:06.759 Yeah. 342 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:09.799 Right, so let's move on to the next stage. But 343 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:12.960 just before I do as well, how about a little 344 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:16.000 bit about yourself. What's your own background? Where did you 345 00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:18.359 hail from originally, and what's your story. 346 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:23.359 Well, I'm from Liverpool. I spent my time working in 347 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:29.480 lawyer's offices, and I've been married before, as Derek had 348 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:32.519 been married before. I had a daughter, Derek at the front. 349 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:37.039 We got together in the mid eighties when I think 350 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:39.799 I was in my mid thirties. Derek was a couple 351 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:43.079 of years younger than me. Both our marriages had fallen apart, 352 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:46.880 and it went on from there. We married about ten 353 00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:51.359 years later in nineteen ninety five, moved to year prior 354 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:55.319 to getting married, we moved to the South Past area 355 00:21:55.559 --> 00:22:00.680 were I'm still here. And Derek when I first met him, 356 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:05.119 wasn't a full time medium or any such thing. He 357 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:09.599 used to coach. He had a footballing background. He used 358 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:13.920 to do coaching in sports centers, this sort of thing. 359 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:16.880 He had a footballing background. I think he had something 360 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:19.519 to do with the cop itself at Liverpool. 361 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:20.359 Football he did. 362 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:26.440 Yeah, I mean I think yeah he was. 363 00:22:26.799 --> 00:22:32.279 Yes, he was headhunted apparently when I mean this is 364 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:35.799 from his mother, it's not from Derek Derek himself. She 365 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:40.160 said he was extremely He was an extremely good footballer, 366 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:43.519 but there were an awful lot of good footballers around 367 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:46.440 at the time. A lot of them on the Liverpool 368 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:54.839 side were internationals, and he really didn't stand that was 369 00:22:54.880 --> 00:22:58.880 out in Australia he was married. He went with his 370 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:03.559 wife and his son to Australia and played for USC Lions. 371 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:07.200 Did you meet him growing up at any stage at all, 372 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:08.839 Would you ever have crossed paths? 373 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:13.119 He said that we did. I don't remember. In our 374 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:18.079 youth we used to inhabit the same nightclubs. And he 375 00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:23.359 said that at one time I had a second job 376 00:23:24.039 --> 00:23:27.599 behind the bar in a nightclub. And he said that 377 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:30.640 he met me and spoke to me then that I 378 00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:31.759 don't remember. 379 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:38.000 All those footballer guys. They were full of themselves back 380 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:38.599 then anyway. 381 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:42.079 Well, they absolutely were, and that's why I wanted nothing 382 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:46.160 to do with the the Everton and the Liverpool football's 383 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:50.839 footballers that used to come into the clubs because they were, yes, 384 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:51.960 full of themselves. 385 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:55.920 Well, so time moved on, you became an item, if 386 00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.680 my research is correct, around nineteen eighty five as such. 387 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:01.960 And then I suppose you're in the kitchen one day 388 00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:04.279 and he says, we have something to tell you. You know, 389 00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:09.440 I know this blow called Sam he's playing for. 390 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:14.240 But you know he was, he was. 391 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:21.440 He was very secret about he was his spiritual side 392 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:25.880 of his life and certainly didn't tell me about it. 393 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:33.279 Did Yeah, But it took about six months he helped 394 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:39.680 me in before he told me. It was a conversation 395 00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:43.039 as do you believe in tarot cards, and at that 396 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:47.480 point I'd always been fascinated by the paranormal. And once 397 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:50.799 or twice I've gone and had my cards read, you know, 398 00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:53.359 it does from the office and this sort of thing. 399 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:54.599 And yeah, so. 400 00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:03.240 Gwen tell us about mister Flynn. 401 00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:09.119