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Speaker 1: Mark Manning in association with Paranormal Radio UK. Welcome to Scary.
Time to grab that coffee or pour that glass of wine.
Today I'm proud to present for you at Dereka Cora Special.
We all loved ourskouser Derek, and shortly we'll have the
honor of being joined by his widow, Gwen, who I've
just taken to in a big way because I find
her so refreshing and down to earth. For those of
you living on Mars, the late Derreka Cora was a
British television personality. A psychic medium, someone who says they
can communicate with spirits of the dead. He was best
known for appearing on paranormal TV shows in the UK.
Although well established and well known, he gained major popularity
on the TV show Most Haunted, which aired from two
thousand and two to two thousand and five. During his
time on the program, the show followed a team investigating
reportedly haunted locations around the UK and Ireland, and the
States as well. Derek was, in my view, the master
of sensing spirits and relaying messages from them, often entering
trance like states. Now, if you think today I'm going
to dig down and dirty about the whole Kiran O'Keeffe
and the Creed Kaffer Gait controversy, well I'm not go
google Kron o'keef and Derek Korra. If that's your thing,
maybe someday we'll talk to Kiran O'Keeffe himself and ask
him did he do that of his own volition or
was he perhaps coerced into it? Either way, that's for
him and his conscience to decide. For me, Derreka Cora
was pure entertainment. No matter what you thought about him,
he was a pure showman and entertainer, which are all
needed to be a psychic medium. Worth watching now for
those of you who like fact more than gossip. The
main presenter of Most Haunted, A Vett Fielding, published her
memoirs in twenty twenty four in which she made certain
allegations about Derreka Korra. And it's only right that Gwenecora
gets an opportunity to refute aforementioned allegations. And in this show, oh,
you'll hear her doing exactly that. So stand by because
she'd be joining us on the phone very shortly in
her Liverpool home. And indeed you and I will be
spending over an hour in Gwen's cozy company. But first, random, anonymous,
strange but true.
Speaker 3: I stayed with my husband's family over one Christmas. I
was pregnant at the time, so I went to bed
early while the others stayed up playing cards. I woke
up and saw my husband just standing at the side
of the bed. I was about to say, what are
you doing? Get in, but then I felt my husband
lying next to me asleep. I know it wasn't a
dream because I put my hand in his chest and
felt him breathing. So a ghost of my husband was
looking down at himself.
Speaker 4: I was so.
Speaker 3: Terrified I couldn't even speak, so I covered my head
with a blanket and eventually fell back to sleep. The
next day I started searching what could it mean? And
there's an Irish paranormal phenomenon called a fetch. A fetch
is basically a ghost or copy of a living person
that means that either the person will die soon or
have really good fortune, depending on the time of day
that the fetch appears. Bad ermen at night, good Ermene
in the morning. Unfortunately, I didn't check the time, so
I have no idea if it was nighttime or the
wee hours of the morning. He's still alive and kicking.
But I was so paranoid. In the days after that,
I hid the hoodie the fetch was wearing.
Speaker 5: Hum.
Speaker 6: When I was in school, I had a friend that
lived in an estate that had a reputation of being
the worst in the town. He told me that one
of his neighbors had a pair of the Cursed Crying
Child paintings in the house. I thought cool, so after
school we went to see them. He took me to
a house that looked derelict and knocked on the door.
A spinly dirty person of indeterminate age and gender opened
the door, and my friend said can we see the paintings?
The person nodded and led us into the house. The
house was damp and dirty and absolutely stank. There were
no carpets and the rotten floorboards sagged as we walked
on them. There were no lights, but in the dim
hallway I could see the peeling wallpaper and dug shit
on the floor. The resident opened a door under the
stairs and took out two paintings and propped them against
the wall, then immediately left the hall into a back room.
As we looked at them, I could hear the person
start to cry and shriek in the back room like
It wasn't a supernatural occurrence, but it unexpectedly ended up
in a near derelict house with someone who had psychiatric
and possibly substance issues. I was about fourteen at the time,
and twenty five years later I often think about how
awful that person's life must have been.
Speaker 7: My old man had two stories from his old fella.
So rural Ireland in the nineteen fifty was probably one
hundred years behind the rest of Europe. It was very
religious and very superstitious. The first involved him grand at
cycling home from his firm laborer job. It was late
and dark, and when he was passing by a corner
he saw an open coffin by the side of the road.
Slightly freaked out, he went over and looked in to
see his young, just married daughter inside, and then it
was gone. He rushed home to find out his daughter
had passed away a short time earlier. The exact time
he would have seen the coffin the second story was
when he and his siblings would be lying in bed
at night. They would hear the fiddle being taken down
and the table being set, and then the sound of
people talking and drinking. I didn't know my grandfather. He
died when I was very young, but I suspect that
the first story might be due to a man who,
from the stories I've heard, suffered from severe PTSD from
his time in the trenches in the Somme. But the
second story, as I got older, I realized it was
probably just his parents having a party and not wanting
the kids annoying them. Said this to my old fellow, though,
who was not impressed.
Speaker 1: Well, this is scary era, And for those of you
who don't know what era means, it's the Irish word
for Ireland, and of course A dearly beloved city very
close to Ireland is Liverpool, and a whole Derek chorus
story begins in Liverpool. We're going to start relating to
you now because I have his widow Gwen on the line.
Speaker 4: Good evening to you, Gwen, Good evening, Mark.
Speaker 1: Do you know I could probably throw a stone from
my studio wup across the Irish Sea and hit your house.
Speaker 5: Possibly, yes you could. It doesn't take long to get
between the two cities.
Speaker 1: And of course Derek had an affinity for the Irish.
Speaker 5: I think absolutely yes he did. He did because his
family on both sides had Irish links, as I do myself.
Speaker 1: Really, do you know what part of Ireland they're from?
Speaker 5: I don't know what to pass violand Derek's family came from,
but my links were Northern Irish.
Speaker 1: Ah. My good lady is is a Belfast woman herself.
So there you go. And actually you have right, you
have the same coloring. You know, you've got that lovely
hair together. I just thought i'd mentioned that put me
in the good books as well with the missus. Who
knows how big an admirer I want to say, admirer
of Derek akra I was because I think if you
say you're.
Speaker 5: A fan, Derek hated the words fan himself. He preferred
to refer to them mis friends.
Speaker 1: Actually, before we go into this which I believe is
a big, rich tapestry containing life, look love the paranormal.
It was a big thing rather than just the whole
taunted thing that you hear about all the time.
Speaker 5: And that's what was most taunted. Was only a brief,
a brief moment in time as far as Derek's life
was confirmed.
Speaker 1: Of course, and it was such a life, and we're
going to go through it. So I don't want to
just you know, dump into that end of things, which is,
you know, it's all been said and kind of done
and dusted. We of course we'll address it, but I'm
not going to make it the focal point of our
chat because I have got when a Korra talking to me,
and you know, it's a big thing for me. I
have a picture of Derek in my studio. I can
feel Derek telling me not to be such a prass.
But it was just the way I felt, you know.
So look, let's just get on. It's the sixth anniversary
only recently.
Speaker 4: Let's just get that bit out of January.
Speaker 1: So close to Christmas and everything. It was tragic. So
can I just bring you back there so we address
it and get it out of the way. What happened?
You both became in to take it from there.
Speaker 5: Yes, we both had flu. What we didn't know and
what nobody knew at that point in time, was it
was such a virulent strain of flu. People had been
calling ill since October. I can remember when Derek did
his Halloween event and people then were ill. They had
to cancel and this sort of thing. And we tottered
through to Christmas. We were vine, and then the day
after Boxing Day we both started feeling quite ill. Well
but not in a cold source of way. It was
a fluey type of thing. We were supposed to be
going out on New Year's Eve to celebrate, but we
canceled and on New Year's Day Derek hands went white.
He was really ill. We were both ill, but he
was really ill. And so I telephoned Ray, who was
Derek's tour manager and driver and friend, and he fulfilled
everything for Derek on the road, and because I felt
so dreadfully on myself, I asked him whether he would
take Derek to hospital, which he did, and when he
came back from the hospital he told me that Derek
had been put into a medical coma. I didn't quite
understand why that would be, because he wasn't gasping for
breath or anything like that. It was just he was ill,
and obviously there was something radically wrong if his blood
was sort of rushing towards the center of his body
more than his extremities. And so at one o'clock in
the morning of the second of January got called to
the hospital because he was dangerously ill. He was still
in an induced coma, and we were sat with him
all night, really, and I came home because we have gone,
we have cats, we have chickens. I came home for
an hour or two to see two of them. And
it was a very strange thing. I came into the
kitchen where the dogs are, and it's a very long
it's a very big room, and there is there was
a set of of French doors through into a conservatory.
And as I was standing, he was halfway down the kitchen.
I opened see French doors and the Conservative doors to
let the dogs out. I saw Derek, saw him, I
saw him. He was still in hospital. He was still
in an U was coma. But I saw him walking
through the door into the conservatory and out of the
conservatory door, and he wasn't worrying what he'd gone into hospital.
He'd gone into hospital wearing a jog in suit thing,
but when I saw him, he had a pair of
jeans and an aviator jacket on, which were items of
clothing that he owned. And he just walked away. And
it was then that I thought he's gone. But he
was still here. He was still physically here, but.
Speaker 1: Leting you know, he was going.
Speaker 5: It must have been. I mean, I'm not a person
who sees ghost or even Yes, I believe in the paranormal,
and I do believe that things happened, but I think
it's greatly exaggerated in a lot of occasions, you know, Yes,
but yeah, And I went back to the hospital and
I was then told that they were going to turn
off the equipment that was keeping him alive. Basically he
was on dialysis and heart medicine and this, and he
was on all all sorts of things, and they did
turn everything off because he wouldn't be able to sustain
his life without help. And his heart stopped after half
an hour, just sort of five minutes or so into
the fourth of January.
Speaker 1: Your heart must have been wrenched out.
Speaker 5: I was in shop. You don't you don't absorb, You don't.
You don't absorb the reality of or at each side. Didn't.
I couldn't accept it. I couldn't accept it to talk. Well,
it was just it wasn't real. It was though I
was living in the parallel universe, you know, sort of
this thing happening, but here's me. I'm at home and
Derek's on the road. You know. That was the way
that it was, you know. So that was the way
I felt at that time. And of course it was
only a few days later that everybody started talking about
the COVID coronavirus, wasn't it. That's where it started off,
and all the symptoms were. Derek had the classic symptoms.
People were shown on the television in bed in induced
combas not only everything.
Speaker 1: But Gwen, you know, it was really on. There was
a couple of unfortunate timings in this whole thing. Okay,
so you had it was around Christmas and you were
you were all looking forward to everything. You were actually
on the cusp of Derek's seventieth birthday.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, he was looking forward to that, wasn't he.
Speaker 5: Oh, he absolutely was. Yes, we have plans for a
big party. And the year twenty twenty, he said that
going to be his last year of touring and working,
and he was he was going to retire because he
died on the fourth and he was. He would have
been seventy on the twenty seventh January, seventy years by
three weeks.
Speaker 1: So your world, your world is turned upside down, and
a few days later the whole world as we knew it,
and we're still recovering from it. I think we're still
traumatized as turned upside down.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So at final just on that side, I want
to we've addressed that, and I think it's at the
start we should have done that rather than the end,
because I want to end on a high on this
whole story. As I said to you without it sounding
kind of mawkish, you have you any subsequent signs since
do you think or communications from or is that.
Speaker 5: Not a huge amount. There was one occasion when I
was feeling some vegetables in the kitchen and he stood
next When I say he stood next to me, you
know when you feel as though somebody's there and you
turn around to say to them whatever. I had that feeling.
I turned around, but he wasn't there, said, I couldn't
see anything, but I definitely had the feeling that he
had been stood next to me on that occasion. There's
been occasions when the dogs have been looking into the
living room and wagging the tails and you know, all
these classic things. But do I get the feeling that
he's around here all the time. No, but I'm sure
that he is, you know. I don't disbelieve that he
has just shuffled off this mortal coil and gone elsewhere
and never to be seen again. But I can remember
a medium saying to me, you know, sort of when
I said, why don't if he'd only just show himself
to I could only see him, he said. The medium said,
were you clurred on him before Derek died? And I said, well, no, no, no,
I wasn't. What makes you think that you might be
blurred for him, now, you know? And that sort of
brought it home to me.
Speaker 1: You should have said, you tell me you're the psychic?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but yes, so I'm sure he is here. Yes,
I had somebody come along they asked, actually, and I
agreed with what's something called e.
Speaker 1: V voice phenomena.
Speaker 5: Yes, And they came in and largely there was nothing
but in wander hum where Derek had a snooker table
there and it has a wooden floor, and there was
a definite sound of somebody walking in leather shoes sold
shoes that Derek always wore oather sold shoes across the floor,
and the mirrors, breadth of the word Derek. Those two
little things were the only things that nowhere else nowhere
in the house. There was nothing, nothing at all, just
those two small things that were picked picked up with
EVP equipment.
Speaker 1: Wow, well he's still around. I always got the yes,
I got the sense from him anyway. He was never
well any time I listened to him. Particularly remember he
had his own little kind of podcast radio show thing.
Speaker 4: I used to love that he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really, I genuinely listened to that all
the time, Gwen. But I always got a sense of
it's all bigger than just this. It's an expanse whatever
existence is. It was. It was bigger than Derek, and
he knew it, and he'd say it.
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, absolutely, Because as you might remember, of course
I'm not telling you your business.
Speaker 1: You tell me. But I know he was into, say,
meditation as well, so he was into the whole mind.
Speaker 4: Yes he was.
Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, he had a room in the house that
he used and kept very quiet, and that's where he
used to meditate. And he used to play music, lovely
spiritual music.
Speaker 1: I think it was around did you remember. I heard
him say one time it was around eleven o'clock most nights.
That was that was his time. And he said even
if he was at a show, he would try and
get home for to be at home in that room
at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 5: Yes, and when he was at home, I mean it
wasn't when he used to travel far and wide as
you know, but when he was at home he would meditate.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, so let's move on to the next stage. But
just before I do as well, how about a little
bit about yourself. What's your own background? Where did you
hail from originally, and what's your story.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm from Liverpool. I spent my time working in
lawyer's offices, and I've been married before, as Derek had
been married before. I had a daughter, Derek at the front.
We got together in the mid eighties when I think
I was in my mid thirties. Derek was a couple
of years younger than me. Both our marriages had fallen apart,
and it went on from there. We married about ten
years later in nineteen ninety five, moved to year prior
to getting married, we moved to the South Past area
were I'm still here. And Derek when I first met him,
wasn't a full time medium or any such thing. He
used to coach. He had a footballing background. He used
to do coaching in sports centers, this sort of thing.
Speaker 1: He had a footballing background. I think he had something
to do with the cop itself at Liverpool.
Speaker 5: Football he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think yeah he was.
Speaker 5: Yes, he was headhunted apparently when I mean this is
from his mother, it's not from Derek Derek himself. She
said he was extremely He was an extremely good footballer,
but there were an awful lot of good footballers around
at the time. A lot of them on the Liverpool
side were internationals, and he really didn't stand that was
out in Australia he was married. He went with his
wife and his son to Australia and played for USC Lions.
Speaker 1: Did you meet him growing up at any stage at all,
Would you ever have crossed paths?
Speaker 5: He said that we did. I don't remember. In our
youth we used to inhabit the same nightclubs. And he
said that at one time I had a second job
behind the bar in a nightclub. And he said that
he met me and spoke to me then that I
don't remember.
Speaker 1: All those footballer guys. They were full of themselves back
then anyway.
Speaker 5: Well, they absolutely were, and that's why I wanted nothing
to do with the the Everton and the Liverpool football's
footballers that used to come into the clubs because they were, yes,
full of themselves.
Speaker 1: Well, so time moved on, you became an item, if
my research is correct, around nineteen eighty five as such.
And then I suppose you're in the kitchen one day
and he says, we have something to tell you. You know,
I know this blow called Sam he's playing for.
Speaker 4: But you know he was, he was.
Speaker 5: He was very secret about he was his spiritual side
of his life and certainly didn't tell me about it.
Did Yeah, But it took about six months he helped
me in before he told me. It was a conversation
as do you believe in tarot cards, and at that
point I'd always been fascinated by the paranormal. And once
or twice I've gone and had my cards read, you know,
it does from the office and this sort of thing.
And yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Gwen tell us about mister Flynn.
Speaker 5: Oh, everybody was mister Flynn. He was what I now
know is a medium. I in those days I would
have referred to him as support tune teller. Yeah, I'd
gone with some people from the office to this filled
house she was having mister Flynn, and for the princely
some of five pounds, we all had our card read
and he did. Actually some of the stuff I couldn't understand,
but curiously it did become relevant. You're expecting things that
you're told to happen straight away, but they don't. It
can take years. And I was married at the time
to somebody else, and he told me that this initial
d and it'd have a great bearing on my life,
and the Mediterranean red roofed houses and all this sort
of thing. And I think this guy's waste money have
wasted me five He definitely began to figure And of
course we spent a lot of years agoing we bought
a house in Spain and spent an awful lot of
years going there and had some very happy memories. And
the rest of that.
Speaker 1: I think Derek used to say to you, it has
no time frame, That prediction had no time frame at
such day.
Speaker 5: You know that happened, absolutely true. But I didn't know
a thing about mediumship, about spiritualism, about the paranormal. It
was just ghost stories and getting.
Speaker 4: You and in your cart.
Speaker 1: Right, and speaking of ghost stories and stories in general.
We are here with Gwen widow of Derek Acorra, and
the book is out and I love it. I'm not
just saying that, okay, because I well, I'm kind of
prejudiced anyway. I love Derek, right, and Mary loves Dick
and all that stuff, right, Yeah, I know, I know.
But there was another one, you know he didn't refer to.
He actually said, I have to lower the tone, right
I saw Derek being interviewed before. No, I won't. I
won't lower the tone, right, will I will? I gwhen anyway,
he said, so everyone knows Mary loves Dick right. Well.
Once Derek was out on location and he walked into
this I don't know if it was an old courthouse
or something, and he looked up on the balcony and
you remember Derek, he would just shoot from the hip
and he goes, that man up there has been tossed off.
Speaker 5: That's right, Yes, that was the stewed in right, Yeah,
in close to Abaca, Benny, I think it is in
the world. And they used to hang the po because yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,
hanging Jeffrey. They used to hang them by pushing them
over the banister and yes, loud loudly proclaiming and he
him off.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure, I mean, there's so much in this.
Let's just say. The book is called Haunted and Tallowed, right,
and it's the Derek Acort Memoir by Gwen and Derek
A Korra. And I kept dropping big hints to my
missus Dad, I wanted to in my Christmas stock in.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Sure enough he turned it turned on and there was
and I have to be honest with you, it's better
than I thought it would be.
Speaker 5: Right, Oh, thank you.
Speaker 1: People have a kind of fantasy project that's our Gwen.
You know, people say I'll have a go or put
the book out, but no, I mean it's this book.
Speaker 5: Is was It was definitely not a yeah, No, I
think I don't think it would have ever have got
written if.
Speaker 1: It all right, person, I feel a blonde wig coming on,
maybe a genuine blonde press that's coming on. No, I
don't think. In fact, I'm going to put them on
hold for quite a while because the story continues. So
in the middle of all this kind of revelation that
Derek had these powers, you know, it was to you
it was manifested in these visits to like the spiritual
movement as it was back in the whate late nineteen seventies,
nineteen eighties, early nineteen eighties, what were the spiritual movements
as such? Are these people sitting around going not once
for yes, twice for no, or what's going on there?
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't like that. I mean, it may have
been years ago, but certainly when I started going to
spiritualist churches as Jerk, it was it was very much
like that. The prayers, a medium would demonstrate medium ship,
giving messages out to the people that were in attendance.
In those days, there were very few a dozen or
so people. As spiritual and mediumship and psychic became more accepted,
I suppose the congregations grew I don't know what they're like.
It's years and years since I've been to a spirituous church.
I don't know what they're like now. But yeah, it's no,
it wasn't not once, yes now.
Speaker 1: I think back then as well, they were known as
a seer, a seer, yes, yes, an oracle chuck some
names that you then, Okay, So Lilian Starr.
Speaker 4: Yes was a medium.
Speaker 5: No, no, absolutely, she was a medium and a very
good medium and she used to demonstrate mediumship in the
Liverpool Spiritualist churches. And she was the one that told
me so I wouldn't have a very good time being
married to a medium.
Speaker 1: Well you can tell her, you know, it as a
ride anyway, So it was great and that this whole
story Lilian Star as well. How many stars are there
in Liverpool? Was she anything to ring Or do you
think or Freddy?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no no relation whatsoever to Burdie
Star because of course Bergie Star's name wasn't Star. No
no relation whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Well, and she wasn't anything to Ringle, no conversation. That's
just maybe in a big Egypt, as we say here
in Ireland. So you know, when it came to these
spiritual Derek was big into them. What would your own
philosophy be when about the spiritual movement? Is it an
attainment or is it about getting material things? What would
you think?
Speaker 5: I think that both could apply. I think some people
go into it thinking that they're going to make an
awful lot of money, and others don't want to. They
do it for nothing because as they love it so much,
they love communicating with spirits. So I think that all
posts are covered as far as that's concerned.
Speaker 1: And did they ever get a bit clannish or political
at all?
Speaker 5: Oh? Yes, really yes, yes, yes, definitely. The committee's deck, committees,
well when if they hated that's too strong a word.
But he disliked the committees because they were very pretty
and you had to be chums with the committee if
you wanted to get anywhere. And that's why he stopped
going to the churches, and he refused to demonstrate in
any of the churches in because it give him a
hard time when he was up and coming.
Speaker 1: Well, one day he shows up with you in Lancaster
and in the manner of the lotto, saying it could
be you. A lady yes, called Gloria Duffy says it
should be you, Derek, you should be up here on
the platform doing the work of spirit.
Speaker 5: That's right. Yes, that was the following week, was the
first time that he'd stepped upon the on the platform
in a spiritualist church, because Gloria gave him the courage
to do so. I mean he had been he had
been working doing readings for people and getting paid with
words as originals and this. Yes, it was Gloria that
first encouraged him and asked him to go to various
different churches with her and join her on the platform.
Speaker 1: He took to it like a doctor water.
Speaker 5: He dead. He loved it.
Speaker 1: But initially I think did the nerves get to him?
Were you with him on his Yes, he was.
Speaker 5: He was very nervous. Yes, he tried desperately to get
me to to in the car around when he was
actually going to Lancaster to do his first demonstration on
the platform. Yeah, he was very, very nervous. But once
he'd done that first one, he was fine.
Speaker 4: He was fine.
Speaker 5: I've heard other mediums say that initially they are nervous
of giving off what they receive because they're afraid if
somebody saying, what a load of rubbish. I suppose it's
only that they gain the nerve as people are accepting
of what information they come across with.
Speaker 1: I think Derek is trying to communicate with a stare.
In the background all night you can hear that is
that a police or an ambulance or something.
Speaker 5: Would probably be an ambulance because it's the roads quite
a way away, but it's o'ten feel so sound carriage
and I live roughly between Ormster and South Past hospitals
and they're often doing transfers and.
Speaker 1: A break for ads. I need to tell you this,
As I said, this is more of a I want
to just say this to you when Derek passed. I
never ever did anything like this before. And I don't
take it personally that I didn't get a response, because
I'm sure you had a deluge of an avalanche of mail, right,
But I just had to write how I felt, right
and in my own little handwriting. So it's somewhere. It's
it's probably in the binner. There's day known I wrote. I.
Speaker 5: No, no, it'll still be there. And if I'm honest,
I have yet to go through, Oh God, all the
letters and the messages and the text messages, are still
there and opened and emails and I've yet to go
through them. Maybe it's something a huge undertaking.
Speaker 1: Maybe someday and maybe not as well. Maybe it's just
leave well enough alone. So look, the other thing is
so he kind of got a bit of a he
made his own break with your help. You were still
working at the time to start, and he was doing
jobs as well. And then you had a little premises, yes.
Speaker 5: In waiver Tree, which is a suburb of pfoah.
Speaker 1: Right, and people used to go there for readings they did, Yeah,
and how did the blue It was gone?
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, it was going fine. It was fine, Yeah
it was, but it.
Speaker 5: Was in the suburb. And we had this idea that
because he was absolutely inundated with people wanting to make
appointments with him, so we thought that maybe in the
Liverpool City Center would be it would be easier for
people to travel too, because if they were coming from
out of town to go into the city center, it
was simple on the bus or a train or driving
or whatever to find the way into a suburb. It
wasn't quite so easy. So yeah, we moved his office
from waiver Tree to Liverpool City Center on Victoria Street.
Speaker 1: But wasn't a point reached when well and all as
it was going Derek indicated to you that it was
getting too much.
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, yes, there was that point, and that's how
we both ended up with our certificates in hotel management.
Speaker 1: Pub manager. Yeah, very good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh I still have my certificates there. Fantastic assuring
everybody that I can change a barrel and deal with
real ale and all this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I believe, I believe when Derek did end
up managing a pub, but it was one of those
pubs where if you didn't have a knife on you,
they gave you one on the way in the door.
Speaker 5: That's right. Yes, when he was training he was at
the pub that was, you know, sort of really nice.
And then of course he moved into a tougher pub
in a tougher area and didn't like it one bit.
Speaker 1: There was a lady out of her gourd one time
at a table I was reading I don't want to
give your book away, by the way, we leave plenty
of your book. But I think she was just a
scouser was souted on something right, and she was like yeah,
and he tried to give her assistance and that was
the kind of drugs drug problem in the area of
people selling drugs and stuff, and was at that.
Speaker 5: Point, Yeah, it was a really tough area. There were
a lot of drug problems. And yes, it was that
of incidents that caused him to think twice and realized
that maybe working with spirits was probably a better option than.
Speaker 1: But the question, sorry, Gwen, Sorry, the question is though
I shouldn't have interrupted there. Sorry. The question is, though,
why did he give it up in the first place, because.
Speaker 5: Because he couldn't. He It was involving a track who
committed suicide and he unfortunately took his two children with him,
and Derek could see this guy for a reading, and
he could see something bad happening in the future, yes,
and suspected that that would be sort of what it was.
And fast forward a year, the guy came back to
him and Derek said, you know, sort of, you really
really must not do what you're planning on doing. And
when what the guy did, obviously he killed himself and
his two children and his wife. The guy's wife came
to see Derek and that's how Derek found out what
had happened, and he just couldn't couldn't deal with it
because he hadn't been able to stop the tragedy, and
he felt that he should have been able to stop
the tragedy. But I think he realized that.
Speaker 4: You can't absolutely not alter anything.
Speaker 5: Absolutely nobody can nobody can change anything. What is meant
to be A person decides will be a decision that
they make, and no matter what anybody says to them,
regardless as to who they are, they'll do it if
they if they get so badly depressed.
Speaker 1: But Derrek had sensed that, and that's why the kind
of that's why it had all cooled down on his front,
and he wanted to try and make a new start
with the pub and what have you. That's the calling
of Spirits was was so strong. You continued on. There
were a lot of lots of platform work for you there,
and the theater work would get our appearances by the
Salvation Army at times and Jehol witnesses and it's all
Derek's fault.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, they'd be outside the theaters handing out leaflets
and saying that the people were going in to see
the devil, and oh yes, it was, it was. It
was funny in those days. It used to be, you know,
the demonic thing. Nowadays it's it's people saying there's no
such thing as mediums. They're all frauds, they're all fakes,
they're all this, they're all you know. I think the
Salvation Army has given up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they failed to recruit him into their ranks anyway.
Speaker 4: For assurance, they certainly, And there was.
Speaker 1: Others outside shouting, Jesus loves you, but we don't.
Speaker 5: That was right, that Yeah, that was when I was
in the dressing room and they somehower of a new
maybe there's only one dresser, I can't remember, but yeah,
they sang and chanted and shouted shouting to Jesus, maybe
we don't.
Speaker 1: But Derek had other things on his mind. He seemed
to at one stage experiment with his hair and what
to elaborate on that.
Speaker 5: Well, people can read the book.
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe maybe they should we leave that. Let's just
say Goldielocks.
Speaker 5: Yeah oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, life goes on and suddenly he gets a
break on radio. Is that correct?
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, yes, yes, he did. It was Lankashire Radio
and Red Rose Radio were the first two stations that
he he guested it on. And then he wrote his
first book, and I thought it was a good idea
to sort of send out press pacts to publicize this
book to radio stations and such like, and James Whale
got in touch and invited Derek down to London to
the studio one Sunday evening and a guest on the
James Whale Show.
Speaker 1: The recently departed James Whale.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that's right, yes, yes, the notorious James. The
life out of it.
Speaker 1: We can't we can't speak ill of the dead, but
we would say that a brace of might have been
a description at times. However, Derek's charm came in to play,
and not only that, his mediumship came into play because
he managed to land the whale, so to speak.
Speaker 5: He did, he absolutely did. Yes, he became very good
friends with James and it was a weekly date for
two three years until James unfortunately succumb to kidney cancer
and he had to take time out while he recovered
from that, and of course, by the time he had
recovered a new month Derek back. Derek was too busy,
he couldn't do it. So, yeah, where it came to
an end.
Speaker 1: It's important to mention there might even be a misconception
out there that most haunted was the making of Derek Acorra.
But it's too late to take it back when well,
the point I'm making is is he was well established.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know.
Speaker 1: Did he have out and about with Derek Acorra as well?
Was that like a TV show or something? Did he
have a problem called out and about or our predictions.
Speaker 5: Or predictions with Derrek Acora? He'd been not on Grenada Brirees,
He'd done Psychics own, psych It Live, Lifetime, Psychic Live Time,
Predictions of Dereka Kora. He guested on various different television programs.
He had regular radio slots, he was filling theaters and
when he was in Gerada, brez Ibet Fielding had a
program called Simply di Wile or something like that, and
where she did the steak of that plastic thing. Absolutely yes,
And she used to Derek and I smoked and smoked
at the time. We'd jump into each other on the
steps of these outside on the steps of the studio,
and she said that her husband had devised this program
and they were looking for a medium. Would Derek do
the honors on this pilot program?
Speaker 1: And where did that take laid?
Speaker 5: Yes, it was Mitchell and Priory, Mitchell and Priory, Yeah,
down down South. Yeah, And so one flatter day down
we collected us and down we went to mitchelland Priory
and did the investigation and it all went very well.
Came back home and they kept in touch with us,
and they were trying to sell the program and I
think it was November when because a lot of people
turned them down because the Paranormal wasn't programming that seemed
to be popular at the time.
Speaker 1: But yeah, how did Derek feel that kind of period
between the pilot and the commissioning of the show, did
he have any thoughts on working with Carl and or No?
Speaker 4: Not really.
Speaker 5: I don't think he thought that it would it would happen,
you know, sort of. He was he was busy, he
was getting on with his own rife. They get in touch.
Carl used to phone up and spend hours talking to
to Derek, and then in the November it was commissioned.
And it was at that point what Derek said to me,
I don't really want to do it.
Speaker 1: I said to you, he didn't want to do it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was that an inkling or that?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know whether it was some
sort of premonition or whatever. But he wasn't keen, and
I said, oh, it'll be fine, it'll be fine, you know.
So they seemed to be nice people, because there were
nice people in those days. They were nice people, very amenable, funny,
good company. Fine. Yeah, So November it was commissioned, and
then we heard the first filming of this first program
would be Chillingham Castle in January of two thousands and
two US.
Speaker 1: So they had places like the ostrich In, Yes, a
lighthouse as well.
Speaker 4: Was there souter lighthouse such light house?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was plain castle.
Speaker 1: And would you turn up enthusiastically to these places, Gwen,
because I know, I mean, I know you believe in
the paranormal as such, but you've whereas like it was
Derek's kind of DNA or his nervous system. You really
were the lady in the background, probably the long suffering
lady in the background. Don't give you enough credit. You know,
you were a great couple. You can see even with
photos of the two of you, you were a sound couple.
And he may have had all this talent and mediumship,
et cetera, but you were and I don't mean to
pat patronize you, you were his rock, and that comes
across so you'd be out there in some of these
locations probably kind of half interested, freezing your nickers off,
probably for parent expression, right, And some of these are
because it's I've worked in television in my time. It's
not everything that's cracked up to be. You know, you've
got a crew with you. Some people are some people
are hungover, some people are in a bad mood. Some
people are are light and flighty because they don't know
any better. You really wear the power behind that whole throne.
Speaker 5: I've been in supporting him, and I used to drive
him and in those days, I used to drive to
the theaters. I used to drive them everywhere. We worked
together in different capacities. And yes, I used to like
going to these different locations because I love old houses
and I love castles, And that was the bit that
I like. Yes, it was more I was more interested
in sort of seeing these places and sort of sitting
waiting for a ghost to I've got to say that
there were occasions when there was paranormal activity, okay, but
it was subtle and it wasn't it wasn't exciting, you know, like, oh,
it's difficult to remember, but there would be an occasion
where there was an unexplained sound, or an unexplained movement,
or an unexplained shadow. Not all the time, but there
were occasions when anomalous events took place. Should I would
say it wasn't all theater for the television program, but
there were a lots of things that were taken as
being paranormal, but they actually weren't.
Speaker 1: But as well, you just touched on something there I
can identify with when I used to look at most haunted.
I'm just saying it to you now as a punter,
you know. And I'd often say to my wife and
be there with a glass of wine, you know, and
I'd say, God, I'd love to do that. And the reason,
the reason for it was just as you've said, Gwen,
it was the historic nature of a lot of these places.
Speaker 4: Yes you saw.
Speaker 1: Something or not, it was the fact was you are
in a building that's probably four hundred years old, has
had to have seen life and death and all kinds
of things play out from history in it. And it
wasn't a bad gig, really was it. Because you go
out on these places. I'd have a nice dinner somewhere
probably and you get a few bob for it, not
them mad as we all know. But it was great.
There was a time as well. Do you remember was
it you that the cradle rocking? Was that one of
those subtles?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that was Applehampton.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: And they were filming in a bedroom and I was
standing halfway up the stairs and I could see into
the room that was next to the one where they
were filming. Yes, And there was a cradle in that bedroom,
and it suddenly started swaying. Now I knew there was
nobody in that room.
Speaker 4: I knew it.
Speaker 5: I think it was Carl noticed this cradle swaying. Of course,
a big deal was made of it. And it was
only after, really really that I thought, I wonder whether
the floorboards run and the movement of the room next
door made the cradle rock. And when they were on
the wrecky, before Derek arrived at the place, did they
notice that this thing would happen? Was it all planned?
Was it actually paranormal activity? You know, your mind asks
lots and lots of questions, especially it asked questions It
probably wouldn't ask if you'd been treated fairly, But if
somebody doesn't treat you fairly then you start questioning.
Speaker 1: Okay, plus as well though, as you made some good
relationships or good friendships.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I have to throw yes, lovely old Richard, he's fabulous,
It is fabulous. And Jason Carl he was on the
first series. Yes, we made lots of friends and remain.
They still keep in touch with me, even though Derek's can't.
But yes, we did. Some people we.
Speaker 4: Never heard from again, that's like thought.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, that happens with everything.
Speaker 1: Of course, Richard Foenix wasn't too well recently as well,
around this time last year.
Speaker 5: That's right, Yes, but he's fine now he is. I
saw him, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's absolutely fine now.
Speaker 1: Well, they can do wonders these days, Gwen, because it
was it was a heart issue he hadn't. I'll be
honest with you. I had one myself. I had a
quadruple there a few years back. Oh really seven years ago. Yeah,
And so you know, you just take it day by day.
Phelix to be a bit older than me now, in
his early seventies, but he's looking great. Because there's another
paranormal team called ghost Era based in Ireland, and I know,
I know Anthony Kerrigan was over there during the week
and some photos on his Yeah, nice pictures of Anthony
and his son, and you can just tell, like Richard
is being so nice to him. And by the way,
I just have to say as well about being nice
to people. A couple of things struck me about Derek
right when I used to watch him on Most Haunted.
Was just you know, there was a bit of theatrics there.
I loved it because you would get into the whole
experience with Derrek. I remember watching them one day and
he was coming up the stairs. Now, anybody else would
just walk up the stairs, but you're Derek came up
the stairs and he was doing the one hundred and
eighty degree scan and it was something something's gone down here,
the sidualanity, you know. And as well, do you remember
that lovely ring He used to have the big ruby
red ring. Do you remember that? Yes? Well, yeah, God,
pride of place. But so so that struck me about
him was he would he would bring you whether you
liked it or not. And look at you've got to
have a little bit of showmanship in there. You've got
to be a you know, this business about fakery or whatever.
You're not gonna have a television show unless you can
do a bit of genuine mediumship and a little bit
of spice as well. And he brought me, you know,
he brought that whole historic feel that you know, the
possessions or whatever. But you know, the regional accents would
come out and stuff, and it wasn't all baloney. And
you know what, Gwen, I don't mean to offend at all,
even if it was. It's television. You are not going
to keep viewers unless you can get them to watch
something of interest. He was like no other medium they
had on that show. I liked the David Wells coupling.
I kind of liked that. I thought that kind of worked.
I wasn't too gone on a lot of the others.
This is what gets me about the whole of vette thing.
My interpretation is there might have been a degree of
professional envy there or something, and there was no need
for it because everybody complimented, especially those early shows. Everybody
worked together. But anyway, typically me, I'm going off the point,
you know, So he pure entertainment. The other thing which
is often overlooked. I thought, just as a viewer, I
thought he was immensely polite. He was yes, do you
mind if he if I, or do you mind if
can I? Is it okay? If? Now they're small things,
but if you're in a certain generation, they're very important things.
He would give people their place. He would ask permission.
He never seemed to you know, it wasn't just here
I am and I'm the medium, and you love me
or leave me. There's nothing like. He was very human
and I loved him. And you know where I was
the day he passed. Here's the comment right that brought
me the news of his passing. I was standing by
the sink in my kitchen. The radio was on, and
the presenter was flustered in his own words and paraphrasing,
but he said, good God, he said, there's so much
news in the world at the moment, and it seems
that all anybody's interested in this guy, Dereka Korra.
Speaker 4: Now you know global, it did.
Speaker 1: It did go viral and global all these things. But
that's how I That was a blunt instrument to me.
I mean, that's how I found out, and I was shattered.
But at the same time, it was showing the impact
that his presence had. Anyway, So you did as I said,
pop over this end of the places like some people
might pronounce it leap, but it's known as lept.
Speaker 4: Castle, that's right.
Speaker 1: And you know how was that for you? Because everyone
has a left Castle story.
Speaker 5: Oh I love left Castle. It's such a fascinating place.
It does have its own eariness and it's definitely a
place where it goes exist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 5: Because I took a photograph of one or what I believe.
Speaker 1: Ew and what was the attire of that aforementioned photograph?
What did the person have in it? The figure having
it a tight Oh, you don't know where the breeze
comes from, but you sure know where it's going, like a.
Speaker 5: Plaid over the top part and a cone helmets, a
tone shaped almet and sort of long straggly hair, and
its striding from the door to the stairs. Everybody was
filming upstairs. Now I didn't see this, but I was
in the dark. There was only the log fire burning.
And I used to take photographs, just random photographs in
places to see whether I picked anything up. So I
was shocked when I saw this figure on one of
the photographs that I eventually downloaded onto a computer. Because
it was a there were no photographs from phones in
those days. Yeah, so I was quite shocked and I
showed it to Carl and he said, that's Sean the chapter.
But Sean didn't wear a chronicle what looked like a
chronicle metal as he wore a flat cap. Yes, he
certainly didn't have a leather kilt in the plaid on
you see. I I don't know what the indigenous dress
of the Irish is. Yes, so I don't know whether
it is something that fits in to the history of
Ireland or whether it doesn't. I don't know, but that's
what this figure was wearing. Yes, it was dismissed being
shown the owner anyway.
Speaker 1: You moved on that. You do Charlsville Castle at once to.
Speaker 5: Day, yes, is it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think there was little girls or something. I might
have fallen down the stairs or off a parapet or
something there. That's that was the story I think I
used to hear.
Speaker 5: I can't remember what these stories were. I do remember
that there was some sort of dark rooms, small rooms
and this sort of thing. But I spent most of
the time on that filming because I didn't watch the program,
you know when it was aired, Durables did, so I
don't know the content of some of the some of
the filming because I spent most of the time in
the crew room of that cattle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't as interesting as well, you don't watch the shows.
But at the same time, Gwen, this probably I'm about
to say bittersweet, but when most people lose a relative,
et cetera, they might have a handful of photos or
a few bits of video, et cetera. You have a
whole body of work to look back on because it's
all on the internet now as well and smart TVs
and what have you. Do you ever look at any
of the old programs, not necessarily just most Haunted, but
any of the rest of them, because there's plenty out there.
I found a lovely interview which I think was filmed
in your house gone way back. A guy came over
and Derek had this beautiful front room. I have to
say it looked well a room. And right at the
end of the interview as well, I mean, Derek finished,
so on cue at the best I can tell you,
you used to have a clock that goes literally if you.
Speaker 5: Watched Grandfather in the hallway, and.
Speaker 1: Literally as Derek finished it, just like chimed. It was
really like it was military precision timing. So yeah, but
do you ever look at any of the of the
programs at all or.
Speaker 5: I don't don't know, No, I don't I've got everything
I think that that Derrick ever filmed on DVDs or whatever,
but they're still in the Soane Rappers's been opened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I kind of understand that as well,
you know, I do. And by the way, you mentioned
Toler Moore, there was a bit that was the first
kind of indication that at times was a bit of
a coolness in the relationship with Yeah, Carl and the
Vet's company was called Antics Production Clue and that there's
a clue in the name.
Speaker 5: That's right. That we were all last day in Ireland
was from Patrick's day, Yeah, before we were traveling home
to England. And yes, there was it was definitely frosty,
not between Derek and I and such like, but we
detected a definite frostiness between the crew, yes and Antics. Yeah,
and that was when it became evident that Jason was
no longer in favor as well.
Speaker 1: All right, did he dirty his bib somehow? That's his
story to tell.
Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other thing is Gwen on the understanding side. I
know myself. You know, in broadcasting it's very hard. It's
like it's like grounding up cats or something, you know,
And there's all these little interplays. And also, believe it
or not generational. Okay, you you might have been a
bit older than the crew, but also Karlavette were a
bit older than the crew. There can be issues going.
Speaker 4: On and oh yes, I mean.
Speaker 5: Events is the same age as my daughter, you know,
sort of, so we didn't tend to gel should I say?
Is that? Is that a good word with the crew.
And we worked with them and we were friendly with them,
and that they were you know, but yeah, we wereked
sort of friends as such, you know, but we shut
and go for dinner together and all this.
Speaker 1: There's always a butt with me and here it is.
Do you know what? Though, So that early series, you know,
maybe a series or episode three, four, whatever the series were,
series three, You guys, This was kind of pop star
stuff for satellite television, wasn't it. It took off like
a rocket.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah it did. And nobody was more shot
than Derek enough, Yeah, it's I mean it. Although Derek
was successful before, sure, most Haunted definitely sort of boosted
that success, and it would be it would be wrong
to say otherwise, because once upon a time he was known,
but he became extremely well known. The fact that his
death created such a farraw proved that that was down
to him appearing on Most Haunted and.
Speaker 1: Every cloud has a silver lining though, because it came
to him. You know, he was mature in life at
the time, so he wasn't going to know you, and
he had you. Of course, it's star Warts and he
described he described Jersey's star Warts and his rock behind him,
so it was a nice place to be for a
mature couple as well. But said it did take off,
and so much so does if you right might remember
remember Three Mediums, Colin fra Tony Stockell. That was the
real the Limo life, wasn't it. They arrived at the theater.
I got the vibes. I could really If you really
want to see Derek in love with his craft, I
think look at that show. It's on YouTube there somewhere.
The Three Mediums.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they rocked that stage that night.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, that was the hammer Smith and they build it.
Speaker 1: They filled it. But you know, I think it was
a recognition of it becoming, as they say these days,
a thing. You know, the paranormal was suddenly a thing,
and these were like these three I don't know, princess whatever.
And it did the Dickie bows and the you know,
the formal wearin it just it just worked. It was.
It was a lovely time for you.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 5: It was a fabulous time. And I think people look
back on those days and think that I can do that,
but that those days are gone and it's no reflection
on thelites of people. But it will never happen again.
It just won't happen again. Derek and Colin and Tony
to a degree, they were at the right place at
the right time.
Speaker 1: Yes. And do you know why it won't happen again either, Gwen,
because people have the attention span of a gnat now
through the likes of TikTok et cetera. It's terrible. It's
really nobody what I was to love about most haunted,
like Saturday night whenever kids are in bed glass or
to of wine, going to that little place where you're
not quite out of it but you're nice, you know,
you're the Scottish have a word for it nicely mougered, right,
and then then Derek would start his antics pardon the pun,
with all you know you got away from me woman,
and I just I was in another place with that programs.
So look, without making a big meal out of it,
as we say in our there was a bit of
a snot on at times. You could feel an atmosphere
here right now. You can put that down to generational,
You can put it down to a lot of a
lot of things. But the speculation was, which I can't
get over cart my head around this as a business person, right,
is that there might have been a bit of professional
envy in so far as Derek's profile was quite high.
But I mean why I can't get my head around.
I don't know whether it was an insecurity thing or what.
If it's profile was quite high. Richard Felix's it was
a beautiful soup that all worked, and you know, business
is good. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. What
was this a kind of is this a jealousy thing?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I would say that it was. I would
say that it was resentment because Derek ended up being
or being talked about it as been the the star
of the show, and I think it was an awful
rub for them that he was the star of the
show that they created, and maybe they thought that that
should be the star. But the audience choose what the
audience choose, you know, sort of Derek didn't go out
to steal anybody's linel like, Derek was just being Derek.
That's the way that she was before and that's the
way that she remained after.
Speaker 1: Well, again, I'm only speculating, but how can it be
is this vanity or insecurity? You've got somebody who was
already back in the day like Blue Peter presenter, which
is high profile enough. Okay, the thing peaked in the
seventies probably, but still, you know, she was there as
a as a well known presenter, and and Carl was
an accomplished filmmaker. There they're essentially.
Speaker 5: He was a cameraman, not a filmman.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, oh a cameraman, right, A cameraman, right, Well,
he was he was you know, he was good.
Speaker 5: He was very good.
Speaker 4: He was very good.
Speaker 1: And he's I think is he some kind of a
martial arts guy as well? I think? But what I'm
saying is I can't get my mind around it is
because in my own small way say, when I put
together this podcast, I used to think it's about Mark Monning.
No it's not. It's about the people who are on
the show. And it doesn't lessen my profile. I am
the guy who's brought them together. I produce, and I'm
still going to be known by the handful of people
who listened to the podcast or the radio, whatever I'm on.
I don't need to be the center of it. I don't.
I just don't know where it came from.
Speaker 5: It was it was, there was there resentments, There were resentments,
and it made life uncomfortable work in there, and Derek
just got fed up and he said, he said to me,
I'm going to resign. I'm going to tell them that,
you know, I'm finished. So he found his agent meeting
in Manchester. The antipopice in Manchester was arranged. Richard Wolfe
and Claire Hollywood of Living TV came down. So there
was Carl Yvette, Derek, his agent, Stuarts, Claire and Richard
and Stewart said on Derek's befal that Derret wanted to
resign from Most Haunted and so that was that was,
that was it. But Richard didn't want to lose Derek
because he obviously appreciated that he could draw an audience.
So he said, would Derrek do one more series of
Most Haunted and three or four more Most Haunted Lives?
Derek reluctantly agreed. He didn't particularly want to do another series.
He wanted to finish at series five. That was it.
He just wanted to draw a line under it. So yeah,
he agreed to do seriously.
Speaker 1: The lives as well. They were big, and I think
it wasn't the very very huge the very first live
was that made that was fabulous? Was that maybe when
Derek star was it was he that kind of king
of paranorma.
Speaker 4: Then that's the genesis fabulous night.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was a fabulous night. I got there
was sort of blue washed light and there it was
introduced in after after I said Herbert, and when the
crowd sort of stood up and cheered and streamed and yelled.
I saw that space and she wasn't.
Speaker 1: So now we're getting yeah, perhaps the origin there is
that show that the live So he read kind of
under duress and the other thing is listen, I really
sympathize with the situation that he was in. Look I
wasn't there. It's not really for me to say, but
I've been in situations you know, this bloody passive aggressive thing, right,
it's where you know, these are the microaggressions. It's one
thing if somebody has a go with you, right, and
guys often do it, yeah, you know, and then you will, Brian,
refute whatever's being said, or you'll have a go back,
you'll have a pint afterwards. Everyone forgets about it, right,
But when it's things that niggly things you can't quite
accuse directly or you'll be certainly you're a very unreasonable person,
are you You know that. That's where my real sympathy
comes from.
Speaker 5: There's a situation where we were made to feel uncomfortable.
We were just well made to feel uncomfortable, and Carl's
attitude changed from being cheery, chappy to arrogant, really sort
of diss you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like Derek even was Robbie Williams like
a mate at one point even you know, he just
knew so many people and he was loved by so
many people. But look, the only reason I'm reading I
don't really want to get into all that, but you know,
I think there was a book written a year or
two back. Was it the Vets book herself? And that's
where where I suppose it was. Probably it certainly was
the impetus. You needed to get your side out as well.
Speaker 5: I couldn't allow. I could not allow the outright lies
that she told in that book. And I will meet
her in court any day if she chooses to assume me.
Speaker 1: What's in the public domain kind of that she said
it really upset you or hurt you. I would have
hurt Derek.
Speaker 5: It was it was everything. He was egotistical, he was
an alcoholic, he was a womanizer. He chase staffter her
wanting to snog and groper. He was He was just
a horrible person who wanted everybody to cowtow to him.
And this that wasn't Derek. That wasn't Derek at all.
Derek was a down to earth Liverpool guy and he
remained down to a Liverpool guy who didn't have any
huge ego. Who was he was just normal. She's made
him out to be a monster. She actually said that
her and Carl had created a monster.
Speaker 1: It's beyond me how Derek managed to do all these
things when, as you shared earlier, you were on location.
You know, now it's going to mess around with another
woman in front of her wife, you know. So I
don't know. But if you know what, Gwen, what I
love about you, without again patronizing it all is there's
a love, there's a lovely dignity about you. And you
held your powder until you know you were kind of
provoked into doing the right thing and to defend the
name of your husband and of course the great entertainer
Derek Acorra. So look, I understand all that, but you know,
as I said at the beginning of this, we need
to move on. Because was there was there what after?
Life after Most Haunted? So some of the things that
he got up to was as you said, Richard Wolf,
who would have been the controller of Living Television. He
unlike certain other parties, he knew the expression, I don't
want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
He had other plans well.
Speaker 5: He asked Derek doing a series of Most Taunted while
he created a program for Derek on his own, which
he did and it was called that Derek Cora's Ghost sound.
Speaker 1: Yes, is that the one with Danielle Westbrook or.
Speaker 5: That's right there, Danielle and Westbrook and Watson him the
pianist known for the white Bikinian. Wow celebrity.
Speaker 1: You don't hear them, you don't. You don't hear them
telling any odd stories.
Speaker 5: And you know, because there were no stories.
Speaker 1: Oh we live and we learned. So Look. The other
thing was, wasn't the Ghost Antiques Show as well?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yes, but that was whilst Derrek was part of Most
Taunted in the break between filming series one and two,
I think either one two or two and three, Derek
filmed the Antiques Ghost Show. Yeah, that didn't go down
well either, really, but you know.
Speaker 1: The other thing was the books. You remember that and
I have it. I have the what's it The Psychic
Adventures of Derek Acorah. Yeah, I love that book. There
was another way as well. I think I had them
all on my Kindle. I love that.
Speaker 4: I think that might.
Speaker 1: Yeah really, but at the time that it kind of
was there a crossover with Most Haunted and the books publication?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because the publisher put star.
Speaker 1: Well it was one of them. Did that? How could
Derek have predicted it?
Speaker 5: How could he? How could he have predicted it? Indeed,
I mean the all this would have been passed by
Living Television, and any content in that book had to
be passed by Living Television, who owned Most Haunted at
that time, because I believe that when they commissioned the program,
they bought the rights as well. So yeah, we sorted
to all be discussed and passed with antics productions, but
apparently not. You know.
Speaker 1: The thing is, you know, I think when things like
that happened, just keep quiet, you know, just keep quiet
about them and don't get upset by and they will pass,
you know. So I don't know what the reaction of
Karen Evett was to the book, but if it said
Star of the Most Haunted, it probably went down like
a French case of the Family Reunion, you know, absolutely.
So listen, as I said, there was lots of afterlife
after Most Taunted, and I want to I want to
touch on a few things as well. I mean, hey, listen,
even before the whole Most Taunted thing as well, in
the Paranormal Research International or whatever in the States, they
had you guys out to la and what have you,
and they came over and turned to England. And this
was all totally aside from Living Television, right, this was
before yeah.
Speaker 5: Before before most haunted. This is the late nineteen ninety eight,
ninety nine. Yeah, it went over to Los Angeles and
he did he did investigations in Hollywood. He was on
the entertainment and programs such as that, and then the
IPS came over here and did a series of investigations
and they're available on or they were available on videotape.
I don't know now it's so many years ago, but
he wasn't some medium that had just been picked up.
Speaker 1: Not at all. Tell me, and you can tell me
to mind my own business if you want. Do you
got any royalties at all from any of the adventures
at this stage? There's so much of it out there,
the work, the body of work.
Speaker 5: No, No, The only the only thing that Derek gets
royalties from to this day is his appearance song.
Speaker 4: Dr Who, Oh, Doctor Who.
Speaker 5: He was on the Army of Ghosts series with Billy
Piper and the chat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the episode of Doctor Who the Army
of Ghosts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and all miss him.
Speaker 1: Well with teeth like that. You've got a signal batman,
you know, which reminds me as well. And I certainly
would have hoped you'd got a few barbs out of
this hang on, I have a I just have a
premonition coming on now before I ask you about about
big brother, right, which is what I'm going to ask about.
Do you guys like you love you guys even before
the whole thing took off. You love your holidays and stuff,
and you were into you were into cruises and did
it drive Derek bananas? When you know he'd be on
a boat and people were looking for readings.
Speaker 5: And people didn't look for readings. They were very actually
very kind. I mean people would always say hello and
nice to meet you, and and maybe you know, would
like an autograph for if they happened to have one,
and be books you know what he signed. In fact,
we were at Petra, we were in front of the
treasure House and this chat came running over saying Derek Gora,
Derek Corra and he pulled a book, one of Derek's
books out of his backpack. Would sign would you sign this?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: So that it was but no, generally people were really nice,
you know, they chat and say hello and this sort
of thing. But he wasn't sound for reading.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just have a vision of the two of
you on a boat, like you can't get away by
the way. He went down well in Egypt as well,
didn't he. I mean he was he was highly thought
of over there.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Paranormal Egypt. He did a series of programs
Paranormal Egypt Jets. That was another fabulous, fabulous experience because
we just went to places that tourists don't normally go
and into all the tombs and the aeries. Place I've
ever been in my life was the Karen Museum at midnight.
Oh it's it's an amazing place anyway, but when there's
no people around and it's so huge, and you've got
these huge, great mummies and whatever they call them, you know,
these great.
Speaker 4: Carvings, yes, hieroglyphics.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was asked black though, wasn't he. I mean they
were very impressed by him. I can't remember the professor
or whoever it is, or the chief guy that's theared
that looks after it woked. Yeah, he's high profile. And
I noticed he took Eric as well.
Speaker 5: He did, Yes, he did. He was the Minister for
on Twister Antiquities, Minister of Antiquities.
Speaker 1: I feel like that myself sometimes. Sixty two this year Gwen,
am I still young?
Speaker 5: That's all right, seventy eight this year, So don't worry.
Speaker 1: God, you sound good on us. You sound great on it.
And sure it's only look at it as I get that,
you know, I'll be honest with you, Gwen. I used
to think, oh, the forties and you thirty, and the
fifties and you, and then you get to sixteen ago. No,
but it's it's a very ridiculous because I'm sure like
you at times, the mind doesn't really change the fact
of anything. I feel younger, it doesn't.
Speaker 5: Know, your mind doesn't change. This is the this is
the awful. I can remember my dad saying that his
mind was, you know, the same as it had ever been,
that just his body was letting him down. You know,
I've got to the stage now where I know exactly
what you meant.
Speaker 1: I know, I think back to my own father. He
was a military guy who was a he was a
colonel in the Irish Defense Force. It's a lovely, lovely man.
And indeed you mentioned Petra in Jordan. That's why I
was really interested, because as a kid I traveled all
around the Middle East part of the United Nations. But
he used to say to me in his Tipperary accent.
The older I got, the quicker at and the order,
you know, because i'd been marking a birthday. I mean,
I'm sixty three this year, you know, and I remember,
you know, your fellow Liverpudlians the Beatles, kind of basically
declaring sixty four was aged when I'm sixty four. Oh
my goodness, listen, I want to ask you about and
we wrap up really soon, and I promise you because
I've kept you up. Yeah, God love you. Probably in
your Jammy's there with the coffee gun cold, but and
i'd love to I mean this without its sound and corny,
I'd love to give you a big hug because I
think you're wonderful. I think the two of you were
very much. I mean it, it's genuine, and you were lovely.
You were a lovely couple. And i'd share a little
bit about why I feel like I do about you shortly.
But that doesn't sound as dodgy as it sounds, by
the way, So look at the big brother came along.
I hope there was a bit of a wedge for
him in that. Anyway, it's not all about money, and
I know that But what I loved about him? Did
he come second in it? Did he? Or he was
four fourth? Oh well a stone's throw away from second.
Speaker 5: Yes, he was at the final We wouldn't neither of
us expected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not only that. Do you know what
he charmed the young people?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yes, he got on with everybody. He enjoyed himself enormously,
really really did he loved it? And you know, you
hear people say, oh it was so dreadful, it was this,
it was well, it was not for Derek. It wasn't
he enjoyed. He was good everybody who waits snoring?
Speaker 1: Oh did he?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He was good for But I remember, I mean I
kind of dipped in and out of it myself. But
I watched it one night and there was some young
felt almost incredulous. I don't know what contestant it was,
or a guest or whatever I called, but he was
talking about Derek in his gun He's lovely, He's like
an unc And then Derek would say residual energy here
feels like that's that sound Scottish actually, you know, the
residual energy and like it was an old famine pit
or something that they were filming over that's what he thought.
So look at I said, I'd say some of the
reasons that I feel like you about. Like nobody else
I've had on scary Era, and it's this I as
a fifty something year old. First of all, I used
to love because it's quite a bit of social media
of Derek. You know, he was having a stab at
it towards the end, right, So I would get insights
into Ray. Who is this Derek's road manager also known
as Rogers, Right, yeah, And he had this little series
where you basically got to fly on the wall view
at Derek's life. And I thought to himself, I like
this life. He's in Wales one minute, he's up the
m one the next he's in Scotland. So and so
it's a traveling man. It's a bit of a show man.
He makes people feel good. I don't get into any
kind of negative fakery and all that. I think it's
a good living to give people hope. So i'd see
this guy who's you know, he'd be there the picture
I had him of the studio, right, he had something
like a coffee and he's had a chuck adoodle. I
even remember it. That will show you now that I'm
not just making it up about the picture in the studio.
He was holding a chocerdoodle and he had that a
white turtleneck and a black jacket. He was always very
very elegant. As I said, the two of you is
such a lovely couple. And but you know, he was
quite dapper, and the hair was never out of place.
And I know he would have you know what, you'll
be well able for it. Anyway, there would have been
female attention around him. But I used to look at
this guy going up and down the roadways of the
UK with the occasional for a maybe over to a
little jaunt over to Spain or whatever to join say
Colin Fry and and of course then he had the
tuxedo and all the rest of dinner jackets. And I said,
this is great, you know. So I used to get
that insight as a fifty something new I look at
it and I said, Derry could cheer me up right.
So he'd be on about Roger Rodgers, or he'd be
sleeping in the car. There's a nice one of them
down somewhere in Wales, I think, and he's having a
coffee with some guy down there is a nice chat.
The other thing I used to see was your Facebook
lives on Sundays.
Speaker 4: Oh right, yes, I looked in on them.
Speaker 1: Right, and I know that you were people of a
certain age grappling with technology at times as I am.
But you did well on it, right, because remember you'd
be waiting for the three to want the camera to go.
You didn't know whether it was on or not.
Speaker 5: That's right. There were many, many and many a time
when I'd be on my hands and knees on the
floor with my hand on the actual keyboard, trying to
do things where therek was doing everything rotten or.
Speaker 1: Not, that's right. And I get these little well you're
like darbian Joners, but but I get an insight into you.
And I'd be waiting on the Sundays and I knew
there was like a zoo, if not a menagerie out
the back. There's there's all kinds of animals and no
one's ark in there at times. Right, So he had
he had the koi fish. Remember he go out for
the city. You sit on the on the end of
the pool. There are the cooi. Are the coys still
knocking around or have they gone?
Speaker 5: Oh yes, no, no, they're still here, everything still here.
Speaker 1: Are the dogs still alive?
Speaker 4: Of course?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What breed are they?
Speaker 4: The big Pool Standard?
Speaker 5: The standard poodles? Yeah, Milliam Merlin mun Mulins sitting looking
a bit right?
Speaker 1: Get this? You gets this Irish prat off the line.
I want my pettigree chong but yeah, God knows what
it is, but anyway, somebody's making money out of it.
But there was pictures of Derek and he'd have the
two of them in his arms like they were his buddies.
Used to just love that kind of little window on
your life in a in a in a wholesome way, Gwen.
But I'd look at now that The other inside I
got was one time you were you were waiting to
go on, and this proved to me as I said,
you were having You were wrestling with technology at times, right,
so you weren't going to be in the mood to
conjure or make or contrive something up right, And he
was talking to you. You won't even remember this, Gwen,
because but I'm such an afficiado of man. Right, you
were waiting for the camera to come on, and he
and Derek said to you, you said, there's atmosphere here
tonight or something isn't there And he said to you, yeah,
they're active, they're around tonight. And he was talking about
spirit people I suppose, or is energies. It was that
unguarded moment. I remember thinking he's not making this up.
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, any there was unfortunately an awful lot
sort of comments and chat went out when we were unaware.
Speaker 1: Yes, well I have to sorry you mention. I'm sorry
now you walk yourself into this, Gwen, because one of
the videos I hold dear is when you remember he
was going through his he was going through a kind
of a trunk of his memories, right, and you were
behind him filming. You remember you know where I'm going
with this.
Speaker 5: And I the most saunted memorabilia.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and he was laughing. He was laughing at
his pacelip. He said, everyone thinks I'm a millionaire. Look
at this. What the other thing was? And if you
had all these little didn't you have all these little
like little trophies.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, yes there, I've got tons of stuff and
I really actually must get rid of it all. I've
even got these signs to the Jerk Cory ghost Town signpost,
which is yeah and all his clothes are still in suitcases,
and you know, but all the Memorabiliah. Yeah, I don't
know what I'm going to do with it.
Speaker 1: Actually, well, you know what when he was when he
was if you pardon the expression, rooting in his drawers, right,
you were standing behind filming it and you were saying
to him, listen, Derek, this is all fine and good,
but when you got your big backside out of the way.
Speaker 4: I don't remember that one, okay.
Speaker 1: And also so very quickly now we will wrap it
up because I'm after take him far too much of
your time, even so generous with it, but really quickly.
I loved his little radio podcast, Joe, do you remember it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.
Speaker 1: Remember he had this thing. You'd play music and he
would have this vision of Salmon himself. Of course, Samuel's
his spirit guide, and they were going. It was kind
of poortent portent in the way. I remember thinking about
it after he passed, you know, but beyond this journey,
he knew he was going somewhere else. They'd go into
this room. See it was there like a meditation thing,
like and I know you like you have someone had
to sit down and write that out that's okay, that's
well and good. But with the thought that counts right,
and you'd go he'd go into this room where describes
or whatever would say have you been a good boy
or bad? And they wouldn't necessarily judge you as so,
but but but you know, you'd be called to account.
And then he'd go outside, and he said, and there
are letters on the wall. I don't know, I can't
understand what they say, but this incredible music would be behind.
It's really great music. I know you listed in the book,
which by the way, is called Haunted and Hallowed, the
Dereka Cora Memory Memory Memoir written by Gwen and Dereka Korra,
because it's important to say that Derek's own hand is
in this book as well. So you've got you've got
some of the manuscript on a book he was planning,
and you've incorporated beautifully.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I a loss has been incorporated. Some hasn't
because I thought it was a bit.
Speaker 1: Ah, you're right, you know you make that you make
a good call. And I said, you were always very
very diplomatic until you know, you were put into a
position where you had to really give you a side
of account. And tell me, I know he was buddies,
funny enough talk about being maligned and been parodied and
all the rest of it. Youre David Ike and himself
were great buddies.
Speaker 5: Yes, there were, Yes, David. You visit Derek regularly when
he's had his office in Victoria Streets in Liverpool, and
they kept in touch over the years and often spoke
when David was over in America. He'd you know, keep
Derek updated with what was going on and the sort
of thing. So yes, yes, he and David I were
good friends.
Speaker 1: Because David himself, in his own words, has taken monumental
levels of ridicule in his life. But in the world
the words of Adamant, ridicule is nothing to be scared of,
you know. And he's thriving now more than ever because
a lot of what David has said has kind of
come to pass. But I remember he guessed it on
Derek's show and that was a great, great episode. And listen,
I remember him working on something else as well. Maybe
you can talk about it, maybe you can't. Beyond the Grave?
Was that a project that never happened? It looked good,
It looked.
Speaker 5: Good, didn't it was it was really good, and then
the chat that we were doing it with yes, disappeared
with all the footage.
Speaker 1: Oh no, and it's not even out there. That's the thing.
We can't we can't even pirate it. There you go.
You've got to put everything in writing, as you know,
when it comes to merchandise, you'll say no more. You
got to put it in write very very quickly. Here
as I just move on, So we've talked about the
fish the football. You know, sure he was a member,
he was on the he was with with Liverpool anyway
as a schoolboys, so he'd know the Bill Shankly thing,
which was huge. And as we come to a close
here with the lovely Gwen Acora, I want to just
ask you. Let me just ask this question. First of all,
let's say you're walking down the road and you meet
a vest would you have much to stay to her?
Speaker 5: If I saw her in the distance, I'd probably turn
around and more give the opposite direction. Yeah, I would,
because I'm not a confrontational person. But I'm not somebody
who shies away either.
Speaker 1: You don't mess with scout lady.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not argumentative. I wouldn't argue or shout or
scream or any of those things. But if somebody has
some sort of beef over something, I'd rather they say
it and talk to me about it.
Speaker 1: Of course, then we would.
Speaker 5: Hit a chatter behind me back, go on to sort
of Facebook and put these cryptic quotes and all this
sort of thing. I'd rather, you know, it's my face
and then maybe we can clear this.
Speaker 1: Matter up and be done with it. And we're certainly
done on that subject. And also, I know Pathfinder Dogs
is close to your heart. And Derek, by the way,
he used to have some great parties, didn't you. You know,
the kind of fans of Derek Acora and all that.
Do you remember remember him in the kilt and he
flashes in the kilt? That was one and the other
thing I loved. He was about sixty five at the time,
I know, because I'm so paranoid about my own age. Right,
was he was? I think he was in Spain and
that song because I'm happy, Yeah, out on the side
of the road. That used to just cheer me up.
Speaker 5: No way, that was we We weren't actually in Spain,
and that was that was filmed. We were on the
banks of Roman, was that right? Yeah? Yeah, that was.
Speaker 1: That was he was in such good form, you know,
and you can see the other thing was it was
the charisma. The people that he say he's dancing with,
they all loved him, and I knew there was some
nice dinners there and all the rest of it, and
the two of you in your in your finery, glitteraty
whatever it was. It was lovely being in the court
of Derek Okra. I have to say, Lady Gwen to them, Yeah,
and look. The other thing is, what do you think
his legacy should be?
Speaker 5: Oh, it's legacy. I think be kind and show a
bit of humility. I think that's what his legacy would
should be, because that was the first person she wants
I know.
Speaker 1: And you know what else him and Sam I reckon
what adventures those two were up to. But also very quickly,
what's life like for Gwen these days? Are you? Are
you feeling it? Or do you? Do you ruminate a lot?
Or are you I think you're a people person.
Speaker 5: I obviously it's not something that you want to do.
But you have to continue on with your life, don't you.
I see friends, I go out for dinner, ye, I
do normal, normal things. I go on holiday. First time
I've been on a plan. I'm going on a fortnight
holiday this year. It took me about four years to
go away the first time, and now I'm going away
this year. Yeah. So yeah, life carries on, but there's
always a bit of missing course of.
Speaker 1: Course, but it gets I don't think it, you know,
it necessarily heals, but it gets easier. And also I
think just be aware now there could be a bit
of a nuisance, like people like myself or whatever, but
just be aware there are so many people who loved Derek,
but it's not just about Derek. Like you must hear
it in me. I mean I loved you guys as
a couple. I saw a lot more than just all
the you know, spoons flying around the place. To me,
you were you were a nice template for how decent
people should be. And good people are scarce, Gwen, right,
and I know that well, you know well you're one
of the good people. And I want to thank you.
So you're very welcome, and I mean it, so look
at wrap up well, missus Akora. You are very loved
and you are very generous to give us your time
here this evening. Would you take care of yourself?
Speaker 5: I will I will and thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Good night, darling, Gwen. We all love you. Bye bye.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, A couple of things over the years. But
I've learned, well, I don't. I suppose it's not learned.
I've just become accustomed to it. And I think it's
kind of it's it's maybe it's another sense or something.
But often when you go into places, you will get
a feeling for the place, and you'll get a feeling
of whether or not it's comfortable. And whatever cause is that,
who knows what causes that. But we have an intuition.
We have an inbuilt intuition. I can't describe what it
is or where it comes from, or the physics of
it or the chemistry of it, but it's there. And
anybody will will tell you to stick with your intuition.
If you think something doesn't feel right, then don't don't
hang around.
Speaker 2: Superb advice from regular contributor to Scary Era, David McGlynn
aka the Squire, and don't hang around either. If you've
got an Irish paranormal tale to tell, simply email Paranormal
Ireland at Proton Male dot com and it'll be read
out for you before you get to tell it on
air yourself. That's Paranormal Island at Proton Male dot Com.
Speaker 1: Mark Manning. What a woman of substance was our Guenacora.
I certainly hope you enjoy that nice long form interview. Now,
I don't know about you, but my mammy always taught
me it was nice to thank people. And therefore today
are readers on the section random and I'm I'm a
strange but true where in order they were? Sarah Campbell,
She's an event host, a radio broadcaster and voiceover of note,
followed up by the Master of the Universe himself, David
McGlynn David ny go way way back. He's also known
as the Squire because he's very awfully he's got an
interest in all things antique and classic cars, and he's
also a businessman and he is kind of a Swiss
army knife reely of all kinds of everything. What a
great guy and new to the fold. I have to
mention the lovely Quiva A Garvey. Now I first heard
her dulcet Tones when she partook in a little section
we had, remember a few months back, an all female
program we had, and I heard her and I went, oh,
I like that kind of youthful lilt she's got to
her voice. So I got in touch and I'm now
happy to say she is going to read for us
until she decides otherwise, and she represents not one, but
two teams Paranormal Adventures Ireland as well as the para
Unity Project. By the way, if you'd to read for
the show and you think you have it in you,
I'll decide about that, but get in touch Paranormal Ireland
at ProtonMail dot com. That's all you got to do
is email me Paranormal Ireland at ProtonMail dot com. Coming
up on the next show of Scary Era, I plan
to have Carmel Conway. She's from Tuam in County Galway
and she she's a character. She's great crack, but more
importantly for our show, she is a psychic medium and
I think you're really going to enjoy her if I
can square him in as well. I have a long
interview done with Eugene Dorian Late of the Parish after
Life Paranormal and I think new to the Parish of
Ghost Era. He's joining Anthony and the team now then, Darlings.
That's pretty much all I've got to say to you
about the show today's and the future shows and all
that kind of thing. So you just wrap up well
now in a nice woolen underpants or Nicholas, and have
yourself a top toddy or even totty if you're feeling
a little bilamorous. M hm No, But what I really
want to say is I'm Mark Manning. It's been a
pleasure to serve you today, and may your life be
filled with unexpected and beautiful things. Take care because I care.