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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best

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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Era is the Irish or Gaelic word for Ireland. So

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take it easy or as we say in Gaelic, lig

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the ski and listen to all things concerning the paranormal

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in Ireland and indeed beyond. Welcome to Scary Era.

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Speaker 2: All views are Mark Manning's own, but you can express

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them too if you want to be right about everything

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like he is.

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Speaker 1: Mark Manning in association with Paranormal Radio UK. Welcome to Scary.

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Time to grab that coffee or pour that glass of wine.

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Today I'm proud to present for you at Dereka Cora Special.

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We all loved ourskouser Derek, and shortly we'll have the

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honor of being joined by his widow, Gwen, who I've

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just taken to in a big way because I find

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her so refreshing and down to earth. For those of

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you living on Mars, the late Derreka Cora was a

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British television personality. A psychic medium, someone who says they

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can communicate with spirits of the dead. He was best

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known for appearing on paranormal TV shows in the UK.

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Although well established and well known, he gained major popularity

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on the TV show Most Haunted, which aired from two

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thousand and two to two thousand and five. During his

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time on the program, the show followed a team investigating

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reportedly haunted locations around the UK and Ireland, and the

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States as well. Derek was, in my view, the master

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of sensing spirits and relaying messages from them, often entering

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trance like states. Now, if you think today I'm going

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to dig down and dirty about the whole Kiran O'Keeffe

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and the Creed Kaffer Gait controversy, well I'm not go

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google Kron o'keef and Derek Korra. If that's your thing,

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maybe someday we'll talk to Kiran O'Keeffe himself and ask

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him did he do that of his own volition or

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was he perhaps coerced into it? Either way, that's for

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him and his conscience to decide. For me, Derreka Cora

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was pure entertainment. No matter what you thought about him,

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he was a pure showman and entertainer, which are all

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needed to be a psychic medium. Worth watching now for

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those of you who like fact more than gossip. The

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main presenter of Most Haunted, A Vett Fielding, published her

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memoirs in twenty twenty four in which she made certain

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allegations about Derreka Korra. And it's only right that Gwenecora

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gets an opportunity to refute aforementioned allegations. And in this show, oh,

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you'll hear her doing exactly that. So stand by because

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she'd be joining us on the phone very shortly in

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her Liverpool home. And indeed you and I will be

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spending over an hour in Gwen's cozy company. But first, random, anonymous,

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strange but true.

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Speaker 3: I stayed with my husband's family over one Christmas. I

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was pregnant at the time, so I went to bed

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early while the others stayed up playing cards. I woke

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up and saw my husband just standing at the side

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of the bed. I was about to say, what are

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you doing? Get in, but then I felt my husband

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lying next to me asleep. I know it wasn't a

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dream because I put my hand in his chest and

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felt him breathing. So a ghost of my husband was

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looking down at himself.

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Speaker 4: I was so.

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Speaker 3: Terrified I couldn't even speak, so I covered my head

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with a blanket and eventually fell back to sleep. The

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next day I started searching what could it mean? And

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there's an Irish paranormal phenomenon called a fetch. A fetch

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is basically a ghost or copy of a living person

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that means that either the person will die soon or

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have really good fortune, depending on the time of day

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that the fetch appears. Bad ermen at night, good Ermene

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in the morning. Unfortunately, I didn't check the time, so

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I have no idea if it was nighttime or the

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wee hours of the morning. He's still alive and kicking.

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But I was so paranoid. In the days after that,

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I hid the hoodie the fetch was wearing.

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Speaker 6: When I was in school, I had a friend that

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lived in an estate that had a reputation of being

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the worst in the town. He told me that one

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of his neighbors had a pair of the Cursed Crying

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school we went to see them. He took me to

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a house that looked derelict and knocked on the door.

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the door, and my friend said can we see the paintings?

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house was damp and dirty and absolutely stank. There were

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no carpets and the rotten floorboards sagged as we walked

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on them. There were no lights, but in the dim

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hallway I could see the peeling wallpaper and dug shit

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on the floor. The resident opened a door under the

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stairs and took out two paintings and propped them against

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the wall, then immediately left the hall into a back room.

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start to cry and shriek in the back room like

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in a near derelict house with someone who had psychiatric

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and possibly substance issues. I was about fourteen at the time,

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and twenty five years later I often think about how

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awful that person's life must have been.

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hundred years behind the rest of Europe. It was very

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religious and very superstitious. The first involved him grand at

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cycling home from his firm laborer job. It was late

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and dark, and when he was passing by a corner

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he saw an open coffin by the side of the road.

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see his young, just married daughter inside, and then it

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was gone. He rushed home to find out his daughter

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had passed away a short time earlier. The exact time

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he would have seen the coffin the second story was

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when he and his siblings would be lying in bed

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at night. They would hear the fiddle being taken down

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and the table being set, and then the sound of

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people talking and drinking. I didn't know my grandfather. He

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died when I was very young, but I suspect that

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the first story might be due to a man who,

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from the stories I've heard, suffered from severe PTSD from

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his time in the trenches in the Somme. But the

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second story, as I got older, I realized it was

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probably just his parents having a party and not wanting

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the kids annoying them. Said this to my old fellow, though,

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who was not impressed.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is scary era, And for those of you

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who don't know what era means, it's the Irish word

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for Ireland, and of course A dearly beloved city very

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close to Ireland is Liverpool, and a whole Derek chorus

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story begins in Liverpool. We're going to start relating to

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you now because I have his widow Gwen on the line.

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Speaker 4: Good evening to you, Gwen, Good evening, Mark.

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Speaker 1: Do you know I could probably throw a stone from

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my studio wup across the Irish Sea and hit your house.

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Speaker 5: Possibly, yes you could. It doesn't take long to get

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Speaker 1: And of course Derek had an affinity for the Irish.

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Speaker 5: I think absolutely yes he did. He did because his

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family on both sides had Irish links, as I do myself.

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Speaker 1: Really, do you know what part of Ireland they're from?

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Speaker 5: I don't know what to pass violand Derek's family came from,

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but my links were Northern Irish.

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Speaker 1: Ah. My good lady is is a Belfast woman herself.

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So there you go. And actually you have right, you

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have the same coloring. You know, you've got that lovely

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hair together. I just thought i'd mentioned that put me

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in the good books as well with the missus. Who

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knows how big an admirer I want to say, admirer

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of Derek akra I was because I think if you

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say you're.

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Speaker 5: A fan, Derek hated the words fan himself. He preferred

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to refer to them mis friends.

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Speaker 1: Actually, before we go into this which I believe is

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a big, rich tapestry containing life, look love the paranormal.

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It was a big thing rather than just the whole

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taunted thing that you hear about all the time.

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Speaker 5: And that's what was most taunted. Was only a brief,

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a brief moment in time as far as Derek's life

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was confirmed.

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Speaker 1: Of course, and it was such a life, and we're

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going to go through it. So I don't want to

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just you know, dump into that end of things, which is,

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you know, it's all been said and kind of done

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and dusted. We of course we'll address it, but I'm

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not going to make it the focal point of our

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chat because I have got when a Korra talking to me,

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and you know, it's a big thing for me. I

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have a picture of Derek in my studio. I can

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feel Derek telling me not to be such a prass.

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only recently.

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Speaker 4: Let's just get that bit out of January.

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Speaker 1: So close to Christmas and everything. It was tragic. So

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can I just bring you back there so we address

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it and get it out of the way. What happened?

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Speaker 5: Yes, we both had flu. What we didn't know and

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what nobody knew at that point in time, was it

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was such a virulent strain of flu. People had been

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calling ill since October. I can remember when Derek did

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his Halloween event and people then were ill. They had

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to cancel and this sort of thing. And we tottered

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through to Christmas. We were vine, and then the day

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after Boxing Day we both started feeling quite ill. Well

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but not in a cold source of way. It was

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a fluey type of thing. We were supposed to be

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going out on New Year's Eve to celebrate, but we

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canceled and on New Year's Day Derek hands went white.

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was really ill. And so I telephoned Ray, who was

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Derek's tour manager and driver and friend, and he fulfilled

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everything for Derek on the road, and because I felt

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so dreadfully on myself, I asked him whether he would

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take Derek to hospital, which he did, and when he

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came back from the hospital he told me that Derek

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had been put into a medical coma. I didn't quite

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understand why that would be, because he wasn't gasping for

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breath or anything like that. It was just he was ill,

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and obviously there was something radically wrong if his blood

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was sort of rushing towards the center of his body

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more than his extremities. And so at one o'clock in

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the morning of the second of January got called to

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the hospital because he was dangerously ill. He was still

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in an induced coma, and we were sat with him

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all night, really, and I came home because we have gone,

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we have cats, we have chickens. I came home for

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an hour or two to see two of them. And

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it was a very strange thing. I came into the

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kitchen where the dogs are, and it's a very long

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it's a very big room, and there is there was

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a set of of French doors through into a conservatory.

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I opened see French doors and the Conservative doors to

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let the dogs out. I saw Derek, saw him, I

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saw him. He was still in hospital. He was still

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in an U was coma. But I saw him walking

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through the door into the conservatory and out of the

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conservatory door, and he wasn't worrying what he'd gone into hospital.

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but when I saw him, he had a pair of

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jeans and an aviator jacket on, which were items of

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clothing that he owned. And he just walked away. And

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it was then that I thought he's gone. But he

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was still here. He was still physically here, but.

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Speaker 1: Leting you know, he was going.

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Speaker 5: It must have been. I mean, I'm not a person

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who sees ghost or even Yes, I believe in the paranormal,

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and I do believe that things happened, but I think

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it's greatly exaggerated in a lot of occasions, you know, Yes,

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off the equipment that was keeping him alive. Basically he

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was on dialysis and heart medicine and this, and he

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turn everything off because he wouldn't be able to sustain

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his life without help. And his heart stopped after half

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Speaker 1: Your heart must have been wrenched out.

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Speaker 5: I was in shop. You don't you don't absorb, You don't.

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I couldn't accept it. I couldn't accept it to talk. Well,

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it was just it wasn't real. It was though I

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was living in the parallel universe, you know, sort of

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this thing happening, but here's me. I'm at home and

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Derek's on the road. You know. That was the way

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that it was, you know. So that was the way

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I felt at that time. And of course it was

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only a few days later that everybody started talking about

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the COVID coronavirus, wasn't it. That's where it started off,

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and all the symptoms were. Derek had the classic symptoms.

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People were shown on the television in bed in induced

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combas not only everything.

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Speaker 1: But Gwen, you know, it was really on. There was

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a couple of unfortunate timings in this whole thing. Okay,

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so you had it was around Christmas and you were

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you were all looking forward to everything. You were actually

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on the cusp of Derek's seventieth birthday.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, he was looking forward to that, wasn't he.

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Speaker 5: Oh, he absolutely was. Yes, we have plans for a

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big party. And the year twenty twenty, he said that

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going to be his last year of touring and working,

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and he was he was going to retire because he

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died on the fourth and he was. He would have

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been seventy on the twenty seventh January, seventy years by

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three weeks.

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Speaker 1: So your world, your world is turned upside down, and

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a few days later the whole world as we knew it,

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and we're still recovering from it. I think we're still

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traumatized as turned upside down.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So at final just on that side, I want

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to we've addressed that, and I think it's at the

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start we should have done that rather than the end,

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because I want to end on a high on this

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whole story. As I said to you without it sounding

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kind of mawkish, you have you any subsequent signs since

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do you think or communications from or is that.

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Speaker 5: Not a huge amount. There was one occasion when I

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was feeling some vegetables in the kitchen and he stood

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next When I say he stood next to me, you

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know when you feel as though somebody's there and you

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turn around to say to them whatever. I had that feeling.

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I turned around, but he wasn't there, said, I couldn't

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see anything, but I definitely had the feeling that he

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had been stood next to me on that occasion. There's

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been occasions when the dogs have been looking into the

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living room and wagging the tails and you know, all

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these classic things. But do I get the feeling that

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he's around here all the time. No, but I'm sure

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that he is, you know. I don't disbelieve that he

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has just shuffled off this mortal coil and gone elsewhere

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and never to be seen again. But I can remember

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a medium saying to me, you know, sort of when

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I said, why don't if he'd only just show himself

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to I could only see him, he said. The medium said,

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were you clurred on him before Derek died? And I said, well, no, no, no,

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I wasn't. What makes you think that you might be

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blurred for him, now, you know? And that sort of

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brought it home to me.

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Speaker 1: You should have said, you tell me you're the psychic?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but yes, so I'm sure he is here. Yes,

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I had somebody come along they asked, actually, and I

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agreed with what's something called e.

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Speaker 1: V voice phenomena.

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Speaker 5: Yes, And they came in and largely there was nothing

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but in wander hum where Derek had a snooker table

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there and it has a wooden floor, and there was

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a definite sound of somebody walking in leather shoes sold

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shoes that Derek always wore oather sold shoes across the floor,

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and the mirrors, breadth of the word Derek. Those two

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little things were the only things that nowhere else nowhere

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in the house. There was nothing, nothing at all, just

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those two small things that were picked picked up with

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EVP equipment.

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Speaker 1: Wow, well he's still around. I always got the yes,

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I got the sense from him anyway. He was never

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well any time I listened to him. Particularly remember he

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had his own little kind of podcast radio show thing.

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Speaker 4: I used to love that he did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really, I genuinely listened to that all

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the time, Gwen. But I always got a sense of

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it's all bigger than just this. It's an expanse whatever

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existence is. It was. It was bigger than Derek, and

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he knew it, and he'd say it.

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Speaker 4: Oh, yes, absolutely, Because as you might remember, of course

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I'm not telling you your business.

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Speaker 1: You tell me. But I know he was into, say,

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meditation as well, so he was into the whole mind.

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Speaker 4: Yes he was.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, he had a room in the house that

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he used and kept very quiet, and that's where he

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used to meditate. And he used to play music, lovely

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spiritual music.

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Speaker 1: I think it was around did you remember. I heard

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him say one time it was around eleven o'clock most nights.

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That was that was his time. And he said even

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if he was at a show, he would try and

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get home for to be at home in that room

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at eleven o'clock.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and when he was at home, I mean it

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wasn't when he used to travel far and wide as

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you know, but when he was at home he would meditate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, so let's move on to the next stage. But

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just before I do as well, how about a little

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bit about yourself. What's your own background? Where did you

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hail from originally, and what's your story.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm from Liverpool. I spent my time working in

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lawyer's offices, and I've been married before, as Derek had

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been married before. I had a daughter, Derek at the front.

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We got together in the mid eighties when I think

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I was in my mid thirties. Derek was a couple

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of years younger than me. Both our marriages had fallen apart,

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and it went on from there. We married about ten

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years later in nineteen ninety five, moved to year prior

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to getting married, we moved to the South Past area

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were I'm still here. And Derek when I first met him,

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wasn't a full time medium or any such thing. He

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used to coach. He had a footballing background. He used

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to do coaching in sports centers, this sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: He had a footballing background. I think he had something

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to do with the cop itself at Liverpool.

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Speaker 5: Football he did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think yeah he was.

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Speaker 5: Yes, he was headhunted apparently when I mean this is

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from his mother, it's not from Derek Derek himself. She

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said he was extremely He was an extremely good footballer,

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but there were an awful lot of good footballers around

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at the time. A lot of them on the Liverpool

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side were internationals, and he really didn't stand that was

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out in Australia he was married. He went with his

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wife and his son to Australia and played for USC Lions.

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Speaker 1: Did you meet him growing up at any stage at all,

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Would you ever have crossed paths?

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Speaker 5: He said that we did. I don't remember. In our

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youth we used to inhabit the same nightclubs. And he

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said that at one time I had a second job

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behind the bar in a nightclub. And he said that

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he met me and spoke to me then that I

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don't remember.

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Speaker 1: All those footballer guys. They were full of themselves back

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then anyway.

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Speaker 5: Well, they absolutely were, and that's why I wanted nothing

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to do with the the Everton and the Liverpool football's

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footballers that used to come into the clubs because they were, yes,

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full of themselves.

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Speaker 1: Well, so time moved on, you became an item, if

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my research is correct, around nineteen eighty five as such.

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And then I suppose you're in the kitchen one day

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and he says, we have something to tell you. You know,

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I know this blow called Sam he's playing for.

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Speaker 4: But you know he was, he was.

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Speaker 5: He was very secret about he was his spiritual side

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of his life and certainly didn't tell me about it.

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Did Yeah, But it took about six months he helped

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me in before he told me. It was a conversation

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as do you believe in tarot cards, and at that

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point I'd always been fascinated by the paranormal. And once

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or twice I've gone and had my cards read, you know,

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it does from the office and this sort of thing.

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And yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: Gwen tell us about mister Flynn.

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Speaker 5: Oh, everybody was mister Flynn. He was what I now

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know is a medium. I in those days I would

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have referred to him as support tune teller. Yeah, I'd

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gone with some people from the office to this filled

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house she was having mister Flynn, and for the princely

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some of five pounds, we all had our card read

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and he did. Actually some of the stuff I couldn't understand,

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but curiously it did become relevant. You're expecting things that

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you're told to happen straight away, but they don't. It

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can take years. And I was married at the time

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to somebody else, and he told me that this initial

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d and it'd have a great bearing on my life,

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and the Mediterranean red roofed houses and all this sort

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of thing. And I think this guy's waste money have

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wasted me five He definitely began to figure And of

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course we spent a lot of years agoing we bought

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a house in Spain and spent an awful lot of

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years going there and had some very happy memories. And

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the rest of that.

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Speaker 1: I think Derek used to say to you, it has

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no time frame, That prediction had no time frame at

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such day.

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Speaker 5: You know that happened, absolutely true. But I didn't know

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a thing about mediumship, about spiritualism, about the paranormal. It

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was just ghost stories and getting.

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Speaker 4: You and in your cart.

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Speaker 1: Right, and speaking of ghost stories and stories in general.

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We are here with Gwen widow of Derek Acorra, and

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the book is out and I love it. I'm not

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just saying that, okay, because I well, I'm kind of

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prejudiced anyway. I love Derek, right, and Mary loves Dick

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and all that stuff, right, Yeah, I know, I know.

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But there was another one, you know he didn't refer to.

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He actually said, I have to lower the tone, right

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I saw Derek being interviewed before. No, I won't. I

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won't lower the tone, right, will I will? I gwhen anyway,

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he said, so everyone knows Mary loves Dick right. Well.

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Once Derek was out on location and he walked into

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this I don't know if it was an old courthouse

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or something, and he looked up on the balcony and

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you remember Derek, he would just shoot from the hip

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and he goes, that man up there has been tossed off.

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Speaker 5: That's right, Yes, that was the stewed in right, Yeah,

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in close to Abaca, Benny, I think it is in

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the world. And they used to hang the po because yeah, yeah, yeah, yes,

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hanging Jeffrey. They used to hang them by pushing them

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over the banister and yes, loud loudly proclaiming and he

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him off.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure, I mean, there's so much in this.

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Let's just say. The book is called Haunted and Tallowed, right,

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and it's the Derek Acort Memoir by Gwen and Derek

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A Korra. And I kept dropping big hints to my

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missus Dad, I wanted to in my Christmas stock in.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Sure enough he turned it turned on and there was

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and I have to be honest with you, it's better

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than I thought it would be.

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Speaker 5: Right, Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 1: People have a kind of fantasy project that's our Gwen.

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You know, people say I'll have a go or put

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the book out, but no, I mean it's this book.

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Speaker 5: Is was It was definitely not a yeah, No, I

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think I don't think it would have ever have got

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written if.

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Speaker 1: It all right, person, I feel a blonde wig coming on,

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maybe a genuine blonde press that's coming on. No, I

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don't think. In fact, I'm going to put them on

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hold for quite a while because the story continues. So

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in the middle of all this kind of revelation that

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Derek had these powers, you know, it was to you

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it was manifested in these visits to like the spiritual

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movement as it was back in the whate late nineteen seventies,

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nineteen eighties, early nineteen eighties, what were the spiritual movements

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as such? Are these people sitting around going not once

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for yes, twice for no, or what's going on there?

476
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Speaker 5: No, it wasn't like that. I mean, it may have

477
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:39,319
been years ago, but certainly when I started going to

478
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,079
spiritualist churches as Jerk, it was it was very much

479
00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:48,839
like that. The prayers, a medium would demonstrate medium ship,

480
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,119
giving messages out to the people that were in attendance.

481
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,880
In those days, there were very few a dozen or

482
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:05,839
so people. As spiritual and mediumship and psychic became more accepted,

483
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,200
I suppose the congregations grew I don't know what they're like.

484
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,839
It's years and years since I've been to a spirituous church.

485
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,519
I don't know what they're like now. But yeah, it's no,

486
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,839
it wasn't not once, yes now.

487
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: I think back then as well, they were known as

488
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:32,319
a seer, a seer, yes, yes, an oracle chuck some

489
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,279
names that you then, Okay, So Lilian Starr.

490
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 4: Yes was a medium.

491
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,319
Speaker 5: No, no, absolutely, she was a medium and a very

492
00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:46,319
good medium and she used to demonstrate mediumship in the

493
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,920
Liverpool Spiritualist churches. And she was the one that told

494
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,400
me so I wouldn't have a very good time being

495
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,440
married to a medium.

496
00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:00,359
Speaker 1: Well you can tell her, you know, it as a

497
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,160
ride anyway, So it was great and that this whole

498
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,640
story Lilian Star as well. How many stars are there

499
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,880
in Liverpool? Was she anything to ring Or do you

500
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:09,920
think or Freddy?

501
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:10,839
Speaker 4: No?

502
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no no relation whatsoever to Burdie

503
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:21,119
Star because of course Bergie Star's name wasn't Star. No

504
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:22,400
no relation whatsoever.

505
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: Well, and she wasn't anything to Ringle, no conversation. That's

506
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,279
just maybe in a big Egypt, as we say here

507
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:33,839
in Ireland. So you know, when it came to these

508
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,920
spiritual Derek was big into them. What would your own

509
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:41,440
philosophy be when about the spiritual movement? Is it an

510
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,119
attainment or is it about getting material things? What would

511
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:45,519
you think?

512
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 5: I think that both could apply. I think some people

513
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:53,319
go into it thinking that they're going to make an

514
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:57,400
awful lot of money, and others don't want to. They

515
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:02,160
do it for nothing because as they love it so much,

516
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:07,400
they love communicating with spirits. So I think that all

517
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,920
posts are covered as far as that's concerned.

518
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,759
Speaker 1: And did they ever get a bit clannish or political

519
00:32:14,839 --> 00:32:15,200
at all?

520
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 5: Oh? Yes, really yes, yes, yes, definitely. The committee's deck, committees,

521
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,200
well when if they hated that's too strong a word.

522
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:29,920
But he disliked the committees because they were very pretty

523
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,240
and you had to be chums with the committee if

524
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,839
you wanted to get anywhere. And that's why he stopped

525
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:43,640
going to the churches, and he refused to demonstrate in

526
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,720
any of the churches in because it give him a

527
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,319
hard time when he was up and coming.

528
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,559
Speaker 1: Well, one day he shows up with you in Lancaster

529
00:32:55,519 --> 00:33:00,440
and in the manner of the lotto, saying it could

530
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,680
be you. A lady yes, called Gloria Duffy says it

531
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:08,279
should be you, Derek, you should be up here on

532
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:10,319
the platform doing the work of spirit.

533
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,599
Speaker 5: That's right. Yes, that was the following week, was the

534
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,759
first time that he'd stepped upon the on the platform

535
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:23,240
in a spiritualist church, because Gloria gave him the courage

536
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:26,200
to do so. I mean he had been he had

537
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,359
been working doing readings for people and getting paid with

538
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:37,079
words as originals and this. Yes, it was Gloria that

539
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,519
first encouraged him and asked him to go to various

540
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,559
different churches with her and join her on the platform.

541
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:48,079
Speaker 1: He took to it like a doctor water.

542
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:49,599
Speaker 5: He dead. He loved it.

543
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,359
Speaker 1: But initially I think did the nerves get to him?

544
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:54,400
Were you with him on his Yes, he was.

545
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,559
Speaker 5: He was very nervous. Yes, he tried desperately to get

546
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:01,640
me to to in the car around when he was

547
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:06,440
actually going to Lancaster to do his first demonstration on

548
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,199
the platform. Yeah, he was very, very nervous. But once

549
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,679
he'd done that first one, he was fine.

550
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 4: He was fine.

551
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,599
Speaker 5: I've heard other mediums say that initially they are nervous

552
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:27,079
of giving off what they receive because they're afraid if

553
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,800
somebody saying, what a load of rubbish. I suppose it's

554
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:39,800
only that they gain the nerve as people are accepting

555
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:44,480
of what information they come across with.

556
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: I think Derek is trying to communicate with a stare.

557
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,679
In the background all night you can hear that is

558
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,360
that a police or an ambulance or something.

559
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 5: Would probably be an ambulance because it's the roads quite

560
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:01,400
a way away, but it's o'ten feel so sound carriage

561
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,039
and I live roughly between Ormster and South Past hospitals

562
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:08,039
and they're often doing transfers and.

563
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: A break for ads. I need to tell you this,

564
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,159
As I said, this is more of a I want

565
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:17,079
to just say this to you when Derek passed. I

566
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:20,480
never ever did anything like this before. And I don't

567
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:22,480
take it personally that I didn't get a response, because

568
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:26,400
I'm sure you had a deluge of an avalanche of mail, right,

569
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,320
But I just had to write how I felt, right

570
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,440
and in my own little handwriting. So it's somewhere. It's

571
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,920
it's probably in the binner. There's day known I wrote. I.

572
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 5: No, no, it'll still be there. And if I'm honest,

573
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:50,280
I have yet to go through, Oh God, all the

574
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,599
letters and the messages and the text messages, are still

575
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,039
there and opened and emails and I've yet to go

576
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:02,679
through them. Maybe it's something a huge undertaking.

577
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: Maybe someday and maybe not as well. Maybe it's just

578
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:08,079
leave well enough alone. So look, the other thing is

579
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:10,320
so he kind of got a bit of a he

580
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,599
made his own break with your help. You were still

581
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:15,880
working at the time to start, and he was doing

582
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,159
jobs as well. And then you had a little premises, yes.

583
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 5: In waiver Tree, which is a suburb of pfoah.

584
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,519
Speaker 1: Right, and people used to go there for readings they did, Yeah,

585
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:29,079
and how did the blue It was gone?

586
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:33,519
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, it was going fine. It was fine, Yeah

587
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:34,920
it was, but it.

588
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 5: Was in the suburb. And we had this idea that

589
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,360
because he was absolutely inundated with people wanting to make

590
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:46,320
appointments with him, so we thought that maybe in the

591
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,719
Liverpool City Center would be it would be easier for

592
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,800
people to travel too, because if they were coming from

593
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,039
out of town to go into the city center, it

594
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:58,920
was simple on the bus or a train or driving

595
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:01,880
or whatever to find the way into a suburb. It

596
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,679
wasn't quite so easy. So yeah, we moved his office

597
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:12,400
from waiver Tree to Liverpool City Center on Victoria Street.

598
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,559
Speaker 1: But wasn't a point reached when well and all as

599
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,760
it was going Derek indicated to you that it was

600
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,639
getting too much.

601
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, yes, there was that point, and that's how

602
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:32,360
we both ended up with our certificates in hotel management.

603
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: Pub manager. Yeah, very good.

604
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh I still have my certificates there. Fantastic assuring

605
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,519
everybody that I can change a barrel and deal with

606
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:47,719
real ale and all this.

607
00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I believe, I believe when Derek did end

608
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,480
up managing a pub, but it was one of those

609
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,679
pubs where if you didn't have a knife on you,

610
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,320
they gave you one on the way in the door.

611
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:04,639
Speaker 5: That's right. Yes, when he was training he was at

612
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:08,039
the pub that was, you know, sort of really nice.

613
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:11,519
And then of course he moved into a tougher pub

614
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:15,280
in a tougher area and didn't like it one bit.

615
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,559
Speaker 1: There was a lady out of her gourd one time

616
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:20,880
at a table I was reading I don't want to

617
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,360
give your book away, by the way, we leave plenty

618
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:26,480
of your book. But I think she was just a

619
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:29,960
scouser was souted on something right, and she was like yeah,

620
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,519
and he tried to give her assistance and that was

621
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:34,840
the kind of drugs drug problem in the area of

622
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,480
people selling drugs and stuff, and was at that.

623
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,119
Speaker 5: Point, Yeah, it was a really tough area. There were

624
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:44,639
a lot of drug problems. And yes, it was that

625
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:50,440
of incidents that caused him to think twice and realized

626
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:58,000
that maybe working with spirits was probably a better option than.

627
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:03,599
Speaker 1: But the question, sorry, Gwen, Sorry, the question is though

628
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:06,920
I shouldn't have interrupted there. Sorry. The question is, though,

629
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:10,960
why did he give it up in the first place, because.

630
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 5: Because he couldn't. He It was involving a track who

631
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:20,800
committed suicide and he unfortunately took his two children with him,

632
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:26,360
and Derek could see this guy for a reading, and

633
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:30,519
he could see something bad happening in the future, yes,

634
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:36,199
and suspected that that would be sort of what it was.

635
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,039
And fast forward a year, the guy came back to

636
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:46,000
him and Derek said, you know, sort of, you really

637
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:51,440
really must not do what you're planning on doing. And

638
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,119
when what the guy did, obviously he killed himself and

639
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:03,320
his two children and his wife. The guy's wife came

640
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,039
to see Derek and that's how Derek found out what

641
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:13,519
had happened, and he just couldn't couldn't deal with it

642
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:19,239
because he hadn't been able to stop the tragedy, and

643
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,199
he felt that he should have been able to stop

644
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,719
the tragedy. But I think he realized that.

645
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 4: You can't absolutely not alter anything.

646
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,599
Speaker 5: Absolutely nobody can nobody can change anything. What is meant

647
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:38,119
to be A person decides will be a decision that

648
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:41,400
they make, and no matter what anybody says to them,

649
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,159
regardless as to who they are, they'll do it if

650
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,960
they if they get so badly depressed.

651
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: But Derrek had sensed that, and that's why the kind

652
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,199
of that's why it had all cooled down on his front,

653
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:55,920
and he wanted to try and make a new start

654
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,239
with the pub and what have you. That's the calling

655
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,239
of Spirits was was so strong. You continued on. There

656
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,280
were a lot of lots of platform work for you there,

657
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,760
and the theater work would get our appearances by the

658
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:16,039
Salvation Army at times and Jehol witnesses and it's all

659
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:16,800
Derek's fault.

660
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 5: Oh yes, they'd be outside the theaters handing out leaflets

661
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,039
and saying that the people were going in to see

662
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:29,840
the devil, and oh yes, it was, it was. It

663
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,519
was funny in those days. It used to be, you know,

664
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,079
the demonic thing. Nowadays it's it's people saying there's no

665
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:41,679
such thing as mediums. They're all frauds, they're all fakes,

666
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,119
they're all this, they're all you know. I think the

667
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:46,800
Salvation Army has given up.

668
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, they failed to recruit him into their ranks anyway.

669
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:53,639
Speaker 4: For assurance, they certainly, And there was.

670
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:57,039
Speaker 1: Others outside shouting, Jesus loves you, but we don't.

671
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,559
Speaker 5: That was right, that Yeah, that was when I was

672
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:05,199
in the dressing room and they somehower of a new

673
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:09,119
maybe there's only one dresser, I can't remember, but yeah,

674
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:14,480
they sang and chanted and shouted shouting to Jesus, maybe

675
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:15,960
we don't.

676
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:19,519
Speaker 1: But Derek had other things on his mind. He seemed

677
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:26,119
to at one stage experiment with his hair and what

678
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,440
to elaborate on that.

679
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:30,599
Speaker 5: Well, people can read the book.

680
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe maybe they should we leave that. Let's just

681
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:35,840
say Goldielocks.

682
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 5: Yeah oh yeah, yeah.

683
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,039
Speaker 1: So yeah, life goes on and suddenly he gets a

684
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:44,599
break on radio. Is that correct?

685
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:51,039
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, yes, yes, he did. It was Lankashire Radio

686
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:54,920
and Red Rose Radio were the first two stations that

687
00:42:55,079 --> 00:43:01,000
he he guested it on. And then he wrote his

688
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:06,119
first book, and I thought it was a good idea

689
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:11,920
to sort of send out press pacts to publicize this

690
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,840
book to radio stations and such like, and James Whale

691
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:20,679
got in touch and invited Derek down to London to

692
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:27,920
the studio one Sunday evening and a guest on the

693
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:29,199
James Whale Show.

694
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: The recently departed James Whale.

695
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that's right, yes, yes, the notorious James. The

696
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:39,960
life out of it.

697
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,599
Speaker 1: We can't we can't speak ill of the dead, but

698
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,079
we would say that a brace of might have been

699
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:49,719
a description at times. However, Derek's charm came in to play,

700
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,880
and not only that, his mediumship came into play because

701
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:57,440
he managed to land the whale, so to speak.

702
00:43:57,519 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 5: He did, he absolutely did. Yes, he became very good

703
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:07,320
friends with James and it was a weekly date for

704
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:14,519
two three years until James unfortunately succumb to kidney cancer

705
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,639
and he had to take time out while he recovered

706
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:21,800
from that, and of course, by the time he had

707
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,280
recovered a new month Derek back. Derek was too busy,

708
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:30,480
he couldn't do it. So, yeah, where it came to

709
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:30,920
an end.

710
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: It's important to mention there might even be a misconception

711
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,000
out there that most haunted was the making of Derek Acorra.

712
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:44,840
But it's too late to take it back when well,

713
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,559
the point I'm making is is he was well established.

714
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know.

715
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: Did he have out and about with Derek Acorra as well?

716
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,480
Was that like a TV show or something? Did he

717
00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:57,360
have a problem called out and about or our predictions.

718
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:02,039
Speaker 5: Or predictions with Derrek Acora? He'd been not on Grenada Brirees,

719
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:07,440
He'd done Psychics own, psych It Live, Lifetime, Psychic Live Time,

720
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:13,960
Predictions of Dereka Kora. He guested on various different television programs.

721
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:19,360
He had regular radio slots, he was filling theaters and

722
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:25,639
when he was in Gerada, brez Ibet Fielding had a

723
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,199
program called Simply di Wile or something like that, and

724
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:37,199
where she did the steak of that plastic thing. Absolutely yes,

725
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:44,599
And she used to Derek and I smoked and smoked

726
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:48,400
at the time. We'd jump into each other on the

727
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:52,360
steps of these outside on the steps of the studio,

728
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:58,199
and she said that her husband had devised this program

729
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,079
and they were looking for a medium. Would Derek do

730
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,639
the honors on this pilot program?

731
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: And where did that take laid?

732
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 5: Yes, it was Mitchell and Priory, Mitchell and Priory, Yeah,

733
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:21,639
down down South. Yeah, And so one flatter day down

734
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,639
we collected us and down we went to mitchelland Priory

735
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,400
and did the investigation and it all went very well.

736
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,960
Came back home and they kept in touch with us,

737
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:38,719
and they were trying to sell the program and I

738
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,400
think it was November when because a lot of people

739
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:47,199
turned them down because the Paranormal wasn't programming that seemed

740
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:49,000
to be popular at the time.

741
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, how did Derek feel that kind of period

742
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,719
between the pilot and the commissioning of the show, did

743
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:02,280
he have any thoughts on working with Carl and or No?

744
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 4: Not really.

745
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 5: I don't think he thought that it would it would happen,

746
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,440
you know, sort of. He was he was busy, he

747
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:12,000
was getting on with his own rife. They get in touch.

748
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,880
Carl used to phone up and spend hours talking to

749
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,920
to Derek, and then in the November it was commissioned.

750
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,199
And it was at that point what Derek said to me,

751
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:24,920
I don't really want to do it.

752
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: I said to you, he didn't want to do it.

753
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was that an inkling or that?

754
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,199
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know whether it was some

755
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,199
sort of premonition or whatever. But he wasn't keen, and

756
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,320
I said, oh, it'll be fine, it'll be fine, you know.

757
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,679
So they seemed to be nice people, because there were

758
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:51,320
nice people in those days. They were nice people, very amenable, funny,

759
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,519
good company. Fine. Yeah, So November it was commissioned, and

760
00:47:56,559 --> 00:48:01,239
then we heard the first filming of this first program

761
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,400
would be Chillingham Castle in January of two thousands and

762
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:07,159
two US.

763
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: So they had places like the ostrich In, Yes, a

764
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:12,360
lighthouse as well.

765
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 4: Was there souter lighthouse such light house?

766
00:48:15,079 --> 00:48:17,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was plain castle.

767
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,679
Speaker 1: And would you turn up enthusiastically to these places, Gwen,

768
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,400
because I know, I mean, I know you believe in

769
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,599
the paranormal as such, but you've whereas like it was

770
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:33,119
Derek's kind of DNA or his nervous system. You really

771
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:36,280
were the lady in the background, probably the long suffering

772
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,000
lady in the background. Don't give you enough credit. You know,

773
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,880
you were a great couple. You can see even with

774
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,559
photos of the two of you, you were a sound couple.

775
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,039
And he may have had all this talent and mediumship,

776
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:51,480
et cetera, but you were and I don't mean to

777
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:55,119
pat patronize you, you were his rock, and that comes

778
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:57,199
across so you'd be out there in some of these

779
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,639
locations probably kind of half interested, freezing your nickers off,

780
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:03,039
probably for parent expression, right, And some of these are

781
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:05,840
because it's I've worked in television in my time. It's

782
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,320
not everything that's cracked up to be. You know, you've

783
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,039
got a crew with you. Some people are some people

784
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:13,800
are hungover, some people are in a bad mood. Some

785
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,000
people are are light and flighty because they don't know

786
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:19,079
any better. You really wear the power behind that whole throne.

787
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 5: I've been in supporting him, and I used to drive

788
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,760
him and in those days, I used to drive to

789
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,280
the theaters. I used to drive them everywhere. We worked

790
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:35,079
together in different capacities. And yes, I used to like

791
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:39,679
going to these different locations because I love old houses

792
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:41,840
and I love castles, And that was the bit that

793
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,079
I like. Yes, it was more I was more interested

794
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:50,280
in sort of seeing these places and sort of sitting

795
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,199
waiting for a ghost to I've got to say that

796
00:49:54,679 --> 00:50:00,199
there were occasions when there was paranormal activity, okay, but

797
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:06,920
it was subtle and it wasn't it wasn't exciting, you know, like, oh,

798
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:11,079
it's difficult to remember, but there would be an occasion

799
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:16,800
where there was an unexplained sound, or an unexplained movement,

800
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,239
or an unexplained shadow. Not all the time, but there

801
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,400
were occasions when anomalous events took place. Should I would

802
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:30,039
say it wasn't all theater for the television program, but

803
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,679
there were a lots of things that were taken as

804
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,119
being paranormal, but they actually weren't.

805
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,039
Speaker 1: But as well, you just touched on something there I

806
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:41,800
can identify with when I used to look at most haunted.

807
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,480
I'm just saying it to you now as a punter,

808
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:46,320
you know. And I'd often say to my wife and

809
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,760
be there with a glass of wine, you know, and

810
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,559
I'd say, God, I'd love to do that. And the reason,

811
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,320
the reason for it was just as you've said, Gwen,

812
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,199
it was the historic nature of a lot of these places.

813
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,079
Speaker 4: Yes you saw.

814
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: Something or not, it was the fact was you are

815
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,559
in a building that's probably four hundred years old, has

816
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:10,800
had to have seen life and death and all kinds

817
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,400
of things play out from history in it. And it

818
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,880
wasn't a bad gig, really was it. Because you go

819
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,800
out on these places. I'd have a nice dinner somewhere

820
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,480
probably and you get a few bob for it, not

821
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:23,800
them mad as we all know. But it was great.

822
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,159
There was a time as well. Do you remember was

823
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:28,760
it you that the cradle rocking? Was that one of

824
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:29,480
those subtles?

825
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:32,119
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that was Applehampton.

826
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

827
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 5: And they were filming in a bedroom and I was

828
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,880
standing halfway up the stairs and I could see into

829
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,159
the room that was next to the one where they

830
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:49,639
were filming. Yes, And there was a cradle in that bedroom,

831
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,239
and it suddenly started swaying. Now I knew there was

832
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:55,440
nobody in that room.

833
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:56,559
Speaker 4: I knew it.

834
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 5: I think it was Carl noticed this cradle swaying. Of course,

835
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,760
a big deal was made of it. And it was

836
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,920
only after, really really that I thought, I wonder whether

837
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,239
the floorboards run and the movement of the room next

838
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,599
door made the cradle rock. And when they were on

839
00:52:18,679 --> 00:52:23,599
the wrecky, before Derek arrived at the place, did they

840
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,159
notice that this thing would happen? Was it all planned?

841
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:33,119
Was it actually paranormal activity? You know, your mind asks

842
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:38,079
lots and lots of questions, especially it asked questions It

843
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:42,320
probably wouldn't ask if you'd been treated fairly, But if

844
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,400
somebody doesn't treat you fairly then you start questioning.

845
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: Okay, plus as well though, as you made some good

846
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,679
relationships or good friendships.

847
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I have to throw yes, lovely old Richard, he's fabulous,

848
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:02,960
It is fabulous. And Jason Carl he was on the

849
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,800
first series. Yes, we made lots of friends and remain.

850
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:10,760
They still keep in touch with me, even though Derek's can't.

851
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,320
But yes, we did. Some people we.

852
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,559
Speaker 4: Never heard from again, that's like thought.

853
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:21,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, that happens with everything.

854
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: Of course, Richard Foenix wasn't too well recently as well,

855
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:27,360
around this time last year.

856
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,039
Speaker 5: That's right, Yes, but he's fine now he is. I

857
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:34,239
saw him, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's absolutely fine now.

858
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: Well, they can do wonders these days, Gwen, because it

859
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,280
was it was a heart issue he hadn't. I'll be

860
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,079
honest with you. I had one myself. I had a

861
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:46,639
quadruple there a few years back. Oh really seven years ago. Yeah,

862
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,239
And so you know, you just take it day by day.

863
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,000
Phelix to be a bit older than me now, in

864
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:55,039
his early seventies, but he's looking great. Because there's another

865
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:58,760
paranormal team called ghost Era based in Ireland, and I know,

866
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:02,159
I know Anthony Kerrigan was over there during the week

867
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,679
and some photos on his Yeah, nice pictures of Anthony

868
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:08,559
and his son, and you can just tell, like Richard

869
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,039
is being so nice to him. And by the way,

870
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,519
I just have to say as well about being nice

871
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:16,400
to people. A couple of things struck me about Derek

872
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:18,840
right when I used to watch him on Most Haunted.

873
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,880
Was just you know, there was a bit of theatrics there.

874
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,800
I loved it because you would get into the whole

875
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:29,559
experience with Derrek. I remember watching them one day and

876
00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:31,679
he was coming up the stairs. Now, anybody else would

877
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,159
just walk up the stairs, but you're Derek came up

878
00:54:34,199 --> 00:54:36,559
the stairs and he was doing the one hundred and

879
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:40,400
eighty degree scan and it was something something's gone down here,

880
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:45,119
the sidualanity, you know. And as well, do you remember

881
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,840
that lovely ring He used to have the big ruby

882
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,239
red ring. Do you remember that? Yes? Well, yeah, God,

883
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,039
pride of place. But so so that struck me about

884
00:54:56,119 --> 00:54:58,519
him was he would he would bring you whether you

885
00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:00,480
liked it or not. And look at you've got to

886
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:03,159
have a little bit of showmanship in there. You've got

887
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:06,000
to be a you know, this business about fakery or whatever.

888
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:09,519
You're not gonna have a television show unless you can

889
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:12,360
do a bit of genuine mediumship and a little bit

890
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,039
of spice as well. And he brought me, you know,

891
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:17,920
he brought that whole historic feel that you know, the

892
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,960
possessions or whatever. But you know, the regional accents would

893
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,360
come out and stuff, and it wasn't all baloney. And

894
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,760
you know what, Gwen, I don't mean to offend at all,

895
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,199
even if it was. It's television. You are not going

896
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,679
to keep viewers unless you can get them to watch

897
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:36,199
something of interest. He was like no other medium they

898
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,039
had on that show. I liked the David Wells coupling.

899
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:41,920
I kind of liked that. I thought that kind of worked.

900
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:44,360
I wasn't too gone on a lot of the others.

901
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,440
This is what gets me about the whole of vette thing.

902
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,119
My interpretation is there might have been a degree of

903
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:52,719
professional envy there or something, and there was no need

904
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,639
for it because everybody complimented, especially those early shows. Everybody

905
00:55:56,639 --> 00:55:59,159
worked together. But anyway, typically me, I'm going off the point,

906
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,199
you know, So he pure entertainment. The other thing which

907
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:06,280
is often overlooked. I thought, just as a viewer, I

908
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:13,159
thought he was immensely polite. He was yes, do you

909
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,440
mind if he if I, or do you mind if

910
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,000
can I? Is it okay? If? Now they're small things,

911
00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:22,280
but if you're in a certain generation, they're very important things.

912
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,079
He would give people their place. He would ask permission.

913
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,960
He never seemed to you know, it wasn't just here

914
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,400
I am and I'm the medium, and you love me

915
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,840
or leave me. There's nothing like. He was very human

916
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,760
and I loved him. And you know where I was

917
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,519
the day he passed. Here's the comment right that brought

918
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:43,599
me the news of his passing. I was standing by

919
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:47,079
the sink in my kitchen. The radio was on, and

920
00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:50,920
the presenter was flustered in his own words and paraphrasing,

921
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,039
but he said, good God, he said, there's so much

922
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:54,599
news in the world at the moment, and it seems

923
00:56:54,599 --> 00:56:57,519
that all anybody's interested in this guy, Dereka Korra.

924
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,159
Speaker 4: Now you know global, it did.

925
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: It did go viral and global all these things. But

926
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,920
that's how I That was a blunt instrument to me.

927
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,960
I mean, that's how I found out, and I was shattered.

928
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,480
But at the same time, it was showing the impact

929
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,039
that his presence had. Anyway, So you did as I said,

930
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:18,840
pop over this end of the places like some people

931
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,119
might pronounce it leap, but it's known as lept.

932
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 4: Castle, that's right.

933
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: And you know how was that for you? Because everyone

934
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,119
has a left Castle story.

935
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:31,599
Speaker 5: Oh I love left Castle. It's such a fascinating place.

936
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:36,639
It does have its own eariness and it's definitely a

937
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:38,039
place where it goes exist.

938
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is.

939
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 5: Because I took a photograph of one or what I believe.

940
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: Ew and what was the attire of that aforementioned photograph?

941
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:51,639
What did the person have in it? The figure having

942
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:56,480
it a tight Oh, you don't know where the breeze

943
00:57:56,519 --> 00:58:01,159
comes from, but you sure know where it's going, like a.

944
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:07,599
Speaker 5: Plaid over the top part and a cone helmets, a

945
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:12,039
tone shaped almet and sort of long straggly hair, and

946
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:18,199
its striding from the door to the stairs. Everybody was

947
00:58:18,239 --> 00:58:22,760
filming upstairs. Now I didn't see this, but I was

948
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,440
in the dark. There was only the log fire burning.

949
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:30,360
And I used to take photographs, just random photographs in

950
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:33,880
places to see whether I picked anything up. So I

951
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,800
was shocked when I saw this figure on one of

952
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:41,599
the photographs that I eventually downloaded onto a computer. Because

953
00:58:41,639 --> 00:58:44,440
it was a there were no photographs from phones in

954
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,000
those days. Yeah, so I was quite shocked and I

955
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,719
showed it to Carl and he said, that's Sean the chapter.

956
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:58,920
But Sean didn't wear a chronicle what looked like a

957
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:02,719
chronicle metal as he wore a flat cap. Yes, he

958
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,239
certainly didn't have a leather kilt in the plaid on

959
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,519
you see. I I don't know what the indigenous dress

960
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:12,199
of the Irish is. Yes, so I don't know whether

961
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:16,760
it is something that fits in to the history of

962
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:21,079
Ireland or whether it doesn't. I don't know, but that's

963
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:25,840
what this figure was wearing. Yes, it was dismissed being

964
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:28,760
shown the owner anyway.

965
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,599
Speaker 1: You moved on that. You do Charlsville Castle at once to.

966
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 5: Day, yes, is it?

967
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 4: Yeah?

968
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: I think there was little girls or something. I might

969
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,159
have fallen down the stairs or off a parapet or

970
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:42,199
something there. That's that was the story I think I

971
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:42,679
used to hear.

972
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 5: I can't remember what these stories were. I do remember

973
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,920
that there was some sort of dark rooms, small rooms

974
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:53,960
and this sort of thing. But I spent most of

975
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,480
the time on that filming because I didn't watch the program,

976
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:01,599
you know when it was aired, Durables did, so I

977
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:04,360
don't know the content of some of the some of

978
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,039
the filming because I spent most of the time in

979
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:10,199
the crew room of that cattle.

980
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:14,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't as interesting as well, you don't watch the shows.

981
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:18,079
But at the same time, Gwen, this probably I'm about

982
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:21,519
to say bittersweet, but when most people lose a relative,

983
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:24,280
et cetera, they might have a handful of photos or

984
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,239
a few bits of video, et cetera. You have a

985
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,559
whole body of work to look back on because it's

986
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:32,039
all on the internet now as well and smart TVs

987
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:34,000
and what have you. Do you ever look at any

988
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:36,559
of the old programs, not necessarily just most Haunted, but

989
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:38,480
any of the rest of them, because there's plenty out there.

990
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:40,840
I found a lovely interview which I think was filmed

991
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,159
in your house gone way back. A guy came over

992
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,800
and Derek had this beautiful front room. I have to

993
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,480
say it looked well a room. And right at the

994
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:53,639
end of the interview as well, I mean, Derek finished,

995
01:00:53,719 --> 01:00:56,000
so on cue at the best I can tell you,

996
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:01,320
you used to have a clock that goes literally if you.

997
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:06,159
Speaker 5: Watched Grandfather in the hallway, and.

998
01:01:06,199 --> 01:01:09,079
Speaker 1: Literally as Derek finished it, just like chimed. It was

999
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:13,239
really like it was military precision timing. So yeah, but

1000
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:14,840
do you ever look at any of the of the

1001
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,079
programs at all or.

1002
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 5: I don't don't know, No, I don't I've got everything

1003
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:26,039
I think that that Derrick ever filmed on DVDs or whatever,

1004
01:01:26,599 --> 01:01:30,599
but they're still in the Soane Rappers's been opened.

1005
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, I kind of understand that as well,

1006
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,440
you know, I do. And by the way, you mentioned

1007
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,400
Toler Moore, there was a bit that was the first

1008
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,440
kind of indication that at times was a bit of

1009
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:46,440
a coolness in the relationship with Yeah, Carl and the

1010
01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:50,559
Vet's company was called Antics Production Clue and that there's

1011
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:51,440
a clue in the name.

1012
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 5: That's right. That we were all last day in Ireland

1013
01:01:57,079 --> 01:02:01,039
was from Patrick's day, Yeah, before we were traveling home

1014
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:05,360
to England. And yes, there was it was definitely frosty,

1015
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:09,719
not between Derek and I and such like, but we

1016
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:17,400
detected a definite frostiness between the crew, yes and Antics. Yeah,

1017
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:22,159
and that was when it became evident that Jason was

1018
01:02:22,199 --> 01:02:23,719
no longer in favor as well.

1019
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,599
Speaker 1: All right, did he dirty his bib somehow? That's his

1020
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:27,280
story to tell.

1021
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:32,639
Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

1022
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,239
Speaker 1: The other thing is Gwen on the understanding side. I

1023
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,039
know myself. You know, in broadcasting it's very hard. It's

1024
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:43,320
like it's like grounding up cats or something, you know,

1025
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:47,119
And there's all these little interplays. And also, believe it

1026
01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:50,159
or not generational. Okay, you you might have been a

1027
01:02:50,199 --> 01:02:52,840
bit older than the crew, but also Karlavette were a

1028
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,480
bit older than the crew. There can be issues going.

1029
01:02:55,239 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 4: On and oh yes, I mean.

1030
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 5: Events is the same age as my daughter, you know,

1031
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:13,239
sort of, so we didn't tend to gel should I say?

1032
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,280
Is that? Is that a good word with the crew.

1033
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,320
And we worked with them and we were friendly with them,

1034
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:25,880
and that they were you know, but yeah, we wereked

1035
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:30,760
sort of friends as such, you know, but we shut

1036
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,840
and go for dinner together and all this.

1037
01:03:34,159 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: There's always a butt with me and here it is.

1038
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,880
Do you know what? Though, So that early series, you know,

1039
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:45,039
maybe a series or episode three, four, whatever the series were,

1040
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:49,599
series three, You guys, This was kind of pop star

1041
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:52,440
stuff for satellite television, wasn't it. It took off like

1042
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:53,119
a rocket.

1043
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah it did. And nobody was more shot

1044
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:04,519
than Derek enough, Yeah, it's I mean it. Although Derek

1045
01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:09,360
was successful before, sure, most Haunted definitely sort of boosted

1046
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:13,119
that success, and it would be it would be wrong

1047
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:19,639
to say otherwise, because once upon a time he was known,

1048
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:25,320
but he became extremely well known. The fact that his

1049
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:31,480
death created such a farraw proved that that was down

1050
01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:34,199
to him appearing on Most Haunted and.

1051
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,119
Speaker 1: Every cloud has a silver lining though, because it came

1052
01:04:37,159 --> 01:04:40,719
to him. You know, he was mature in life at

1053
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,079
the time, so he wasn't going to know you, and

1054
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:45,679
he had you. Of course, it's star Warts and he

1055
01:04:45,719 --> 01:04:50,519
described he described Jersey's star Warts and his rock behind him,

1056
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,639
so it was a nice place to be for a

1057
01:04:52,719 --> 01:04:56,199
mature couple as well. But said it did take off,

1058
01:04:56,239 --> 01:04:58,239
and so much so does if you right might remember

1059
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,159
remember Three Mediums, Colin fra Tony Stockell. That was the

1060
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:06,119
real the Limo life, wasn't it. They arrived at the theater.

1061
01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:08,880
I got the vibes. I could really If you really

1062
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:11,920
want to see Derek in love with his craft, I

1063
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,280
think look at that show. It's on YouTube there somewhere.

1064
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:15,360
The Three Mediums.

1065
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:18,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they rocked that stage that night.

1066
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:24,639
Speaker 5: Oh yes, that was the hammer Smith and they build it.

1067
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: They filled it. But you know, I think it was

1068
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,679
a recognition of it becoming, as they say these days,

1069
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,400
a thing. You know, the paranormal was suddenly a thing,

1070
01:05:33,559 --> 01:05:36,679
and these were like these three I don't know, princess whatever.

1071
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:40,039
And it did the Dickie bows and the you know,

1072
01:05:40,159 --> 01:05:43,159
the formal wearin it just it just worked. It was.

1073
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:45,119
It was a lovely time for you.

1074
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:46,199
Speaker 5: It was.

1075
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:46,559
Speaker 4: It was.

1076
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 5: It was a fabulous time. And I think people look

1077
01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:54,559
back on those days and think that I can do that,

1078
01:05:55,079 --> 01:05:59,440
but that those days are gone and it's no reflection

1079
01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:03,559
on thelites of people. But it will never happen again.

1080
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:08,960
It just won't happen again. Derek and Colin and Tony

1081
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,199
to a degree, they were at the right place at

1082
01:06:11,239 --> 01:06:12,000
the right time.

1083
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,679
Speaker 1: Yes. And do you know why it won't happen again either, Gwen,

1084
01:06:17,239 --> 01:06:21,920
because people have the attention span of a gnat now

1085
01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:25,239
through the likes of TikTok et cetera. It's terrible. It's

1086
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,760
really nobody what I was to love about most haunted,

1087
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,159
like Saturday night whenever kids are in bed glass or

1088
01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:33,119
to of wine, going to that little place where you're

1089
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:34,840
not quite out of it but you're nice, you know,

1090
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,000
you're the Scottish have a word for it nicely mougered, right,

1091
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,119
and then then Derek would start his antics pardon the pun,

1092
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,119
with all you know you got away from me woman,

1093
01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:52,239
and I just I was in another place with that programs.

1094
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:55,239
So look, without making a big meal out of it,

1095
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,000
as we say in our there was a bit of

1096
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,000
a snot on at times. You could feel an atmosphere

1097
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,880
here right now. You can put that down to generational,

1098
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,480
You can put it down to a lot of a

1099
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:10,920
lot of things. But the speculation was, which I can't

1100
01:07:11,079 --> 01:07:14,480
get over cart my head around this as a business person, right,

1101
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:17,440
is that there might have been a bit of professional

1102
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:22,639
envy in so far as Derek's profile was quite high.

1103
01:07:22,719 --> 01:07:24,760
But I mean why I can't get my head around.

1104
01:07:25,239 --> 01:07:27,079
I don't know whether it was an insecurity thing or what.

1105
01:07:27,239 --> 01:07:31,960
If it's profile was quite high. Richard Felix's it was

1106
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,639
a beautiful soup that all worked, and you know, business

1107
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,280
is good. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. What

1108
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,639
was this a kind of is this a jealousy thing?

1109
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I would say that it was. I would

1110
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:53,440
say that it was resentment because Derek ended up being

1111
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,559
or being talked about it as been the the star

1112
01:07:58,679 --> 01:08:01,519
of the show, and I think it was an awful

1113
01:08:01,639 --> 01:08:05,440
rub for them that he was the star of the

1114
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:10,280
show that they created, and maybe they thought that that

1115
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,519
should be the star. But the audience choose what the

1116
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:18,119
audience choose, you know, sort of Derek didn't go out

1117
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:21,960
to steal anybody's linel like, Derek was just being Derek.

1118
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:24,520
That's the way that she was before and that's the

1119
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:25,760
way that she remained after.

1120
01:08:26,119 --> 01:08:30,039
Speaker 1: Well, again, I'm only speculating, but how can it be

1121
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,279
is this vanity or insecurity? You've got somebody who was

1122
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:38,479
already back in the day like Blue Peter presenter, which

1123
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,319
is high profile enough. Okay, the thing peaked in the

1124
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:43,800
seventies probably, but still, you know, she was there as

1125
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,520
a as a well known presenter, and and Carl was

1126
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:50,640
an accomplished filmmaker. There they're essentially.

1127
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 5: He was a cameraman, not a filmman.

1128
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, oh a cameraman, right, A cameraman, right, Well,

1129
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,760
he was he was you know, he was good.

1130
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 5: He was very good.

1131
01:08:58,680 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 4: He was very good.

1132
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,359
Speaker 1: And he's I think is he some kind of a

1133
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:07,840
martial arts guy as well? I think? But what I'm

1134
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,720
saying is I can't get my mind around it is

1135
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,399
because in my own small way say, when I put

1136
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:16,359
together this podcast, I used to think it's about Mark Monning.

1137
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,279
No it's not. It's about the people who are on

1138
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:23,680
the show. And it doesn't lessen my profile. I am

1139
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,319
the guy who's brought them together. I produce, and I'm

1140
01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:28,800
still going to be known by the handful of people

1141
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,960
who listened to the podcast or the radio, whatever I'm on.

1142
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,600
I don't need to be the center of it. I don't.

1143
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,359
I just don't know where it came from.

1144
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 5: It was it was, there was there resentments, There were resentments,

1145
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:51,119
and it made life uncomfortable work in there, and Derek

1146
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,840
just got fed up and he said, he said to me,

1147
01:09:55,039 --> 01:09:59,239
I'm going to resign. I'm going to tell them that,

1148
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:04,279
you know, I'm finished. So he found his agent meeting

1149
01:10:04,319 --> 01:10:09,800
in Manchester. The antipopice in Manchester was arranged. Richard Wolfe

1150
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:15,039
and Claire Hollywood of Living TV came down. So there

1151
01:10:15,119 --> 01:10:21,239
was Carl Yvette, Derek, his agent, Stuarts, Claire and Richard

1152
01:10:22,199 --> 01:10:26,159
and Stewart said on Derek's befal that Derret wanted to

1153
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:32,359
resign from Most Haunted and so that was that was,

1154
01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:37,079
that was it. But Richard didn't want to lose Derek

1155
01:10:37,159 --> 01:10:42,800
because he obviously appreciated that he could draw an audience.

1156
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:46,000
So he said, would Derrek do one more series of

1157
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:50,159
Most Haunted and three or four more Most Haunted Lives?

1158
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:55,319
Derek reluctantly agreed. He didn't particularly want to do another series.

1159
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,920
He wanted to finish at series five. That was it.

1160
01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:03,199
He just wanted to draw a line under it. So yeah,

1161
01:11:03,319 --> 01:11:08,600
he agreed to do seriously.

1162
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,199
Speaker 1: The lives as well. They were big, and I think

1163
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:12,000
it wasn't the very very huge the very first live

1164
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,239
was that made that was fabulous? Was that maybe when

1165
01:11:15,279 --> 01:11:18,279
Derek star was it was he that kind of king

1166
01:11:18,319 --> 01:11:19,039
of paranorma.

1167
01:11:19,119 --> 01:11:22,239
Speaker 4: Then that's the genesis fabulous night.

1168
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was a fabulous night. I got there

1169
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,520
was sort of blue washed light and there it was

1170
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:40,159
introduced in after after I said Herbert, and when the

1171
01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:45,439
crowd sort of stood up and cheered and streamed and yelled.

1172
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:49,760
I saw that space and she wasn't.

1173
01:11:52,319 --> 01:11:57,399
Speaker 1: So now we're getting yeah, perhaps the origin there is

1174
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,640
that show that the live So he read kind of

1175
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,560
under duress and the other thing is listen, I really

1176
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,159
sympathize with the situation that he was in. Look I

1177
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,359
wasn't there. It's not really for me to say, but

1178
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:14,039
I've been in situations you know, this bloody passive aggressive thing, right,

1179
01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:17,880
it's where you know, these are the microaggressions. It's one

1180
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,359
thing if somebody has a go with you, right, and

1181
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,520
guys often do it, yeah, you know, and then you will, Brian,

1182
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,159
refute whatever's being said, or you'll have a go back,

1183
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:29,159
you'll have a pint afterwards. Everyone forgets about it, right,

1184
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:32,840
But when it's things that niggly things you can't quite

1185
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:37,399
accuse directly or you'll be certainly you're a very unreasonable person,

1186
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:40,760
are you You know that. That's where my real sympathy

1187
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:41,239
comes from.

1188
01:12:41,359 --> 01:12:45,399
Speaker 5: There's a situation where we were made to feel uncomfortable.

1189
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:52,720
We were just well made to feel uncomfortable, and Carl's

1190
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:58,920
attitude changed from being cheery, chappy to arrogant, really sort

1191
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,840
of diss you know.

1192
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:07,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like Derek even was Robbie Williams like

1193
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:10,439
a mate at one point even you know, he just

1194
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,199
knew so many people and he was loved by so

1195
01:13:13,319 --> 01:13:16,159
many people. But look, the only reason I'm reading I

1196
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:18,479
don't really want to get into all that, but you know,

1197
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,600
I think there was a book written a year or

1198
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,079
two back. Was it the Vets book herself? And that's

1199
01:13:23,119 --> 01:13:26,520
where where I suppose it was. Probably it certainly was

1200
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:29,319
the impetus. You needed to get your side out as well.

1201
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:36,239
Speaker 5: I couldn't allow. I could not allow the outright lies

1202
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,479
that she told in that book. And I will meet

1203
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:41,960
her in court any day if she chooses to assume me.

1204
01:13:42,279 --> 01:13:45,079
Speaker 1: What's in the public domain kind of that she said

1205
01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:48,000
it really upset you or hurt you. I would have

1206
01:13:48,079 --> 01:13:48,640
hurt Derek.

1207
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 5: It was it was everything. He was egotistical, he was

1208
01:13:55,439 --> 01:14:00,880
an alcoholic, he was a womanizer. He chase staffter her

1209
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:05,119
wanting to snog and groper. He was He was just

1210
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:10,920
a horrible person who wanted everybody to cowtow to him.

1211
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:15,199
And this that wasn't Derek. That wasn't Derek at all.

1212
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:21,239
Derek was a down to earth Liverpool guy and he

1213
01:14:21,319 --> 01:14:25,880
remained down to a Liverpool guy who didn't have any

1214
01:14:26,039 --> 01:14:30,399
huge ego. Who was he was just normal. She's made

1215
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,720
him out to be a monster. She actually said that

1216
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,159
her and Carl had created a monster.

1217
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,560
Speaker 1: It's beyond me how Derek managed to do all these

1218
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:45,680
things when, as you shared earlier, you were on location.

1219
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,000
You know, now it's going to mess around with another

1220
01:14:49,079 --> 01:14:51,680
woman in front of her wife, you know. So I

1221
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:54,239
don't know. But if you know what, Gwen, what I

1222
01:14:54,279 --> 01:14:57,720
love about you, without again patronizing it all is there's

1223
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,880
a love, there's a lovely dignity about you. And you

1224
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,680
held your powder until you know you were kind of

1225
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,560
provoked into doing the right thing and to defend the

1226
01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,920
name of your husband and of course the great entertainer

1227
01:15:09,119 --> 01:15:12,199
Derek Acorra. So look, I understand all that, but you know,

1228
01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:14,800
as I said at the beginning of this, we need

1229
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,119
to move on. Because was there was there what after?

1230
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:20,880
Life after Most Haunted? So some of the things that

1231
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:23,600
he got up to was as you said, Richard Wolf,

1232
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:25,840
who would have been the controller of Living Television. He

1233
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:30,880
unlike certain other parties, he knew the expression, I don't

1234
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,840
want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

1235
01:15:33,159 --> 01:15:34,239
He had other plans well.

1236
01:15:34,279 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 5: He asked Derek doing a series of Most Taunted while

1237
01:15:39,359 --> 01:15:43,279
he created a program for Derek on his own, which

1238
01:15:43,319 --> 01:15:46,159
he did and it was called that Derek Cora's Ghost sound.

1239
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,560
Speaker 1: Yes, is that the one with Danielle Westbrook or.

1240
01:15:50,119 --> 01:15:57,359
Speaker 5: That's right there, Danielle and Westbrook and Watson him the

1241
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:06,159
pianist known for the white Bikinian. Wow celebrity.

1242
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 1: You don't hear them, you don't. You don't hear them

1243
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,239
telling any odd stories.

1244
01:16:11,239 --> 01:16:14,600
Speaker 5: And you know, because there were no stories.

1245
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,560
Speaker 1: Oh we live and we learned. So Look. The other

1246
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,239
thing was, wasn't the Ghost Antiques Show as well?

1247
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 4: Oh?

1248
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:27,720
Speaker 5: Yes, but that was whilst Derrek was part of Most

1249
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:33,560
Taunted in the break between filming series one and two,

1250
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,279
I think either one two or two and three, Derek

1251
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:42,359
filmed the Antiques Ghost Show. Yeah, that didn't go down

1252
01:16:42,399 --> 01:16:45,399
well either, really, but you know.

1253
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:49,079
Speaker 1: The other thing was the books. You remember that and

1254
01:16:49,159 --> 01:16:51,279
I have it. I have the what's it The Psychic

1255
01:16:51,319 --> 01:16:55,439
Adventures of Derek Acorah. Yeah, I love that book. There

1256
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,479
was another way as well. I think I had them

1257
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,279
all on my Kindle. I love that.

1258
01:16:59,319 --> 01:17:02,399
Speaker 4: I think that might.

1259
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah really, but at the time that it kind of

1260
01:17:04,399 --> 01:17:09,720
was there a crossover with Most Haunted and the books publication?

1261
01:17:10,319 --> 01:17:14,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because the publisher put star.

1262
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:24,279
Speaker 1: Well it was one of them. Did that? How could

1263
01:17:24,319 --> 01:17:26,640
Derek have predicted it?

1264
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,640
Speaker 5: How could he? How could he have predicted it? Indeed,

1265
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:34,600
I mean the all this would have been passed by

1266
01:17:35,079 --> 01:17:40,600
Living Television, and any content in that book had to

1267
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,520
be passed by Living Television, who owned Most Haunted at

1268
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:53,079
that time, because I believe that when they commissioned the program,

1269
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:59,439
they bought the rights as well. So yeah, we sorted

1270
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:03,399
to all be discussed and passed with antics productions, but

1271
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,880
apparently not. You know.

1272
01:18:06,039 --> 01:18:08,319
Speaker 1: The thing is, you know, I think when things like

1273
01:18:08,359 --> 01:18:12,239
that happened, just keep quiet, you know, just keep quiet

1274
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:15,399
about them and don't get upset by and they will pass,

1275
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:17,720
you know. So I don't know what the reaction of

1276
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:19,840
Karen Evett was to the book, but if it said

1277
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:23,119
Star of the Most Haunted, it probably went down like

1278
01:18:23,119 --> 01:18:26,319
a French case of the Family Reunion, you know, absolutely.

1279
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,479
So listen, as I said, there was lots of afterlife

1280
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,000
after Most Taunted, and I want to I want to

1281
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,279
touch on a few things as well. I mean, hey, listen,

1282
01:18:35,359 --> 01:18:38,359
even before the whole Most Taunted thing as well, in

1283
01:18:38,359 --> 01:18:41,800
the Paranormal Research International or whatever in the States, they

1284
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,479
had you guys out to la and what have you,

1285
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,920
and they came over and turned to England. And this

1286
01:18:47,039 --> 01:18:51,239
was all totally aside from Living Television, right, this was

1287
01:18:51,279 --> 01:18:52,199
before yeah.

1288
01:18:52,039 --> 01:18:57,119
Speaker 5: Before before most haunted. This is the late nineteen ninety eight,

1289
01:18:57,239 --> 01:19:01,640
ninety nine. Yeah, it went over to Los Angeles and

1290
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:07,000
he did he did investigations in Hollywood. He was on

1291
01:19:07,119 --> 01:19:10,960
the entertainment and programs such as that, and then the

1292
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:16,000
IPS came over here and did a series of investigations

1293
01:19:16,199 --> 01:19:20,159
and they're available on or they were available on videotape.

1294
01:19:20,199 --> 01:19:22,680
I don't know now it's so many years ago, but

1295
01:19:23,119 --> 01:19:29,520
he wasn't some medium that had just been picked up.

1296
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:31,119
Speaker 1: Not at all. Tell me, and you can tell me

1297
01:19:31,159 --> 01:19:32,720
to mind my own business if you want. Do you

1298
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,239
got any royalties at all from any of the adventures

1299
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,159
at this stage? There's so much of it out there,

1300
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,159
the work, the body of work.

1301
01:19:41,079 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 5: No, No, The only the only thing that Derek gets

1302
01:19:45,079 --> 01:19:49,760
royalties from to this day is his appearance song.

1303
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 4: Dr Who, Oh, Doctor Who.

1304
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 5: He was on the Army of Ghosts series with Billy

1305
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,359
Piper and the chat.

1306
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the episode of Doctor Who the Army

1307
01:20:04,039 --> 01:20:04,920
of Ghosts.

1308
01:20:05,359 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and all miss him.

1309
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,520
Speaker 1: Well with teeth like that. You've got a signal batman,

1310
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,439
you know, which reminds me as well. And I certainly

1311
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,119
would have hoped you'd got a few barbs out of

1312
01:20:20,119 --> 01:20:22,439
this hang on, I have a I just have a

1313
01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:26,279
premonition coming on now before I ask you about about

1314
01:20:26,319 --> 01:20:28,319
big brother, right, which is what I'm going to ask about.

1315
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,920
Do you guys like you love you guys even before

1316
01:20:31,279 --> 01:20:34,079
the whole thing took off. You love your holidays and stuff,

1317
01:20:34,279 --> 01:20:38,720
and you were into you were into cruises and did

1318
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,319
it drive Derek bananas? When you know he'd be on

1319
01:20:42,399 --> 01:20:45,439
a boat and people were looking for readings.

1320
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:49,399
Speaker 5: And people didn't look for readings. They were very actually

1321
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:53,159
very kind. I mean people would always say hello and

1322
01:20:53,399 --> 01:20:57,520
nice to meet you, and and maybe you know, would

1323
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,720
like an autograph for if they happened to have one,

1324
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,840
and be books you know what he signed. In fact,

1325
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,840
we were at Petra, we were in front of the

1326
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,399
treasure House and this chat came running over saying Derek Gora,

1327
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:15,239
Derek Corra and he pulled a book, one of Derek's

1328
01:21:15,239 --> 01:21:19,680
books out of his backpack. Would sign would you sign this?

1329
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:21,680
Speaker 4: You know?

1330
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 5: So that it was but no, generally people were really nice,

1331
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,359
you know, they chat and say hello and this sort

1332
01:21:27,359 --> 01:21:29,640
of thing. But he wasn't sound for reading.

1333
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just have a vision of the two of

1334
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:37,119
you on a boat, like you can't get away by

1335
01:21:37,119 --> 01:21:39,800
the way. He went down well in Egypt as well,

1336
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:42,079
didn't he. I mean he was he was highly thought

1337
01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:42,840
of over there.

1338
01:21:43,399 --> 01:21:47,319
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Paranormal Egypt. He did a series of programs

1339
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:53,479
Paranormal Egypt Jets. That was another fabulous, fabulous experience because

1340
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,159
we just went to places that tourists don't normally go

1341
01:21:57,399 --> 01:22:01,800
and into all the tombs and the aeries. Place I've

1342
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:06,840
ever been in my life was the Karen Museum at midnight.

1343
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:12,399
Oh it's it's an amazing place anyway, but when there's

1344
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,520
no people around and it's so huge, and you've got

1345
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:19,840
these huge, great mummies and whatever they call them, you know,

1346
01:22:20,199 --> 01:22:20,920
these great.

1347
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,359
Speaker 4: Carvings, yes, hieroglyphics.

1348
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was amazing. Yeah.

1349
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: He was asked black though, wasn't he. I mean they

1350
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,600
were very impressed by him. I can't remember the professor

1351
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,239
or whoever it is, or the chief guy that's theared

1352
01:22:34,279 --> 01:22:38,439
that looks after it woked. Yeah, he's high profile. And

1353
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,239
I noticed he took Eric as well.

1354
01:22:41,079 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 5: He did, Yes, he did. He was the Minister for

1355
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,680
on Twister Antiquities, Minister of Antiquities.

1356
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 1: I feel like that myself sometimes. Sixty two this year Gwen,

1357
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:53,399
am I still young?

1358
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,560
Speaker 5: That's all right, seventy eight this year, So don't worry.

1359
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 1: God, you sound good on us. You sound great on it.

1360
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:03,760
And sure it's only look at it as I get that,

1361
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:05,880
you know, I'll be honest with you, Gwen. I used

1362
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,000
to think, oh, the forties and you thirty, and the

1363
01:23:08,039 --> 01:23:12,199
fifties and you, and then you get to sixteen ago. No,

1364
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:14,680
but it's it's a very ridiculous because I'm sure like

1365
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,520
you at times, the mind doesn't really change the fact

1366
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,520
of anything. I feel younger, it doesn't.

1367
01:23:20,399 --> 01:23:24,159
Speaker 5: Know, your mind doesn't change. This is the this is

1368
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:27,800
the awful. I can remember my dad saying that his

1369
01:23:28,039 --> 01:23:31,000
mind was, you know, the same as it had ever been,

1370
01:23:31,119 --> 01:23:34,000
that just his body was letting him down. You know,

1371
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,760
I've got to the stage now where I know exactly

1372
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:38,359
what you meant.

1373
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: I know, I think back to my own father. He

1374
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,079
was a military guy who was a he was a

1375
01:23:44,119 --> 01:23:46,960
colonel in the Irish Defense Force. It's a lovely, lovely man.

1376
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,840
And indeed you mentioned Petra in Jordan. That's why I

1377
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,680
was really interested, because as a kid I traveled all

1378
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,920
around the Middle East part of the United Nations. But

1379
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:58,279
he used to say to me in his Tipperary accent.

1380
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,399
The older I got, the quicker at and the order,

1381
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,560
you know, because i'd been marking a birthday. I mean,

1382
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,840
I'm sixty three this year, you know, and I remember,

1383
01:24:06,199 --> 01:24:09,399
you know, your fellow Liverpudlians the Beatles, kind of basically

1384
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:14,520
declaring sixty four was aged when I'm sixty four. Oh

1385
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:16,760
my goodness, listen, I want to ask you about and

1386
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:18,720
we wrap up really soon, and I promise you because

1387
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,840
I've kept you up. Yeah, God love you. Probably in

1388
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,960
your Jammy's there with the coffee gun cold, but and

1389
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:26,800
i'd love to I mean this without its sound and corny,

1390
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,000
I'd love to give you a big hug because I

1391
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,319
think you're wonderful. I think the two of you were

1392
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,920
very much. I mean it, it's genuine, and you were lovely.

1393
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:37,479
You were a lovely couple. And i'd share a little

1394
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,439
bit about why I feel like I do about you shortly.

1395
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,000
But that doesn't sound as dodgy as it sounds, by

1396
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,920
the way, So look at the big brother came along.

1397
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:47,119
I hope there was a bit of a wedge for

1398
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:48,840
him in that. Anyway, it's not all about money, and

1399
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,960
I know that But what I loved about him? Did

1400
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,159
he come second in it? Did he? Or he was

1401
01:24:53,319 --> 01:24:57,239
four fourth? Oh well a stone's throw away from second.

1402
01:24:58,199 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 5: Yes, he was at the final We wouldn't neither of

1403
01:25:01,079 --> 01:25:01,840
us expected.

1404
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:04,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not only that. Do you know what

1405
01:25:04,119 --> 01:25:05,600
he charmed the young people?

1406
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 4: Oh?

1407
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 5: Yes, he got on with everybody. He enjoyed himself enormously,

1408
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,479
really really did he loved it? And you know, you

1409
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,680
hear people say, oh it was so dreadful, it was this,

1410
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,279
it was well, it was not for Derek. It wasn't

1411
01:25:22,319 --> 01:25:26,279
he enjoyed. He was good everybody who waits snoring?

1412
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:27,079
Speaker 1: Oh did he?

1413
01:25:27,319 --> 01:25:27,560
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1414
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,119
Speaker 1: He was good for But I remember, I mean I

1415
01:25:30,199 --> 01:25:31,880
kind of dipped in and out of it myself. But

1416
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,039
I watched it one night and there was some young

1417
01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:37,079
felt almost incredulous. I don't know what contestant it was,

1418
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:38,880
or a guest or whatever I called, but he was

1419
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,119
talking about Derek in his gun He's lovely, He's like

1420
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:47,920
an unc And then Derek would say residual energy here

1421
01:25:48,199 --> 01:25:51,039
feels like that's that sound Scottish actually, you know, the

1422
01:25:51,079 --> 01:25:53,920
residual energy and like it was an old famine pit

1423
01:25:54,039 --> 01:25:56,119
or something that they were filming over that's what he thought.

1424
01:25:56,359 --> 01:25:59,000
So look at I said, I'd say some of the

1425
01:25:59,039 --> 01:26:01,840
reasons that I feel like you about. Like nobody else

1426
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,600
I've had on scary Era, and it's this I as

1427
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,439
a fifty something year old. First of all, I used

1428
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,039
to love because it's quite a bit of social media

1429
01:26:11,079 --> 01:26:12,920
of Derek. You know, he was having a stab at

1430
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,920
it towards the end, right, So I would get insights

1431
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:22,319
into Ray. Who is this Derek's road manager also known

1432
01:26:22,359 --> 01:26:26,000
as Rogers, Right, yeah, And he had this little series

1433
01:26:26,079 --> 01:26:28,840
where you basically got to fly on the wall view

1434
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,119
at Derek's life. And I thought to himself, I like

1435
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:34,680
this life. He's in Wales one minute, he's up the

1436
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,840
m one the next he's in Scotland. So and so

1437
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:39,359
it's a traveling man. It's a bit of a show man.

1438
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,039
He makes people feel good. I don't get into any

1439
01:26:43,159 --> 01:26:45,359
kind of negative fakery and all that. I think it's

1440
01:26:45,399 --> 01:26:47,760
a good living to give people hope. So i'd see

1441
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,800
this guy who's you know, he'd be there the picture

1442
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,279
I had him of the studio, right, he had something

1443
01:26:53,399 --> 01:26:56,680
like a coffee and he's had a chuck adoodle. I

1444
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:59,439
even remember it. That will show you now that I'm

1445
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,560
not just making it up about the picture in the studio.

1446
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:06,159
He was holding a chocerdoodle and he had that a

1447
01:27:06,199 --> 01:27:09,079
white turtleneck and a black jacket. He was always very

1448
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,800
very elegant. As I said, the two of you is

1449
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,039
such a lovely couple. And but you know, he was

1450
01:27:15,159 --> 01:27:19,479
quite dapper, and the hair was never out of place.

1451
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:21,439
And I know he would have you know what, you'll

1452
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:23,319
be well able for it. Anyway, there would have been

1453
01:27:23,319 --> 01:27:26,000
female attention around him. But I used to look at

1454
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,159
this guy going up and down the roadways of the

1455
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:31,560
UK with the occasional for a maybe over to a

1456
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:34,159
little jaunt over to Spain or whatever to join say

1457
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:37,000
Colin Fry and and of course then he had the

1458
01:27:37,039 --> 01:27:39,720
tuxedo and all the rest of dinner jackets. And I said,

1459
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:41,600
this is great, you know. So I used to get

1460
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:44,479
that insight as a fifty something new I look at

1461
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,119
it and I said, Derry could cheer me up right.

1462
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:48,399
So he'd be on about Roger Rodgers, or he'd be

1463
01:27:48,399 --> 01:27:51,079
sleeping in the car. There's a nice one of them

1464
01:27:51,079 --> 01:27:52,840
down somewhere in Wales, I think, and he's having a

1465
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,560
coffee with some guy down there is a nice chat.

1466
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,720
The other thing I used to see was your Facebook

1467
01:27:58,760 --> 01:27:59,960
lives on Sundays.

1468
01:28:00,399 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 4: Oh right, yes, I looked in on them.

1469
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 1: Right, and I know that you were people of a

1470
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:11,600
certain age grappling with technology at times as I am.

1471
01:28:12,119 --> 01:28:15,800
But you did well on it, right, because remember you'd

1472
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:18,000
be waiting for the three to want the camera to go.

1473
01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:20,640
You didn't know whether it was on or not.

1474
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:25,239
Speaker 5: That's right. There were many, many and many a time

1475
01:28:25,319 --> 01:28:27,720
when I'd be on my hands and knees on the

1476
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:33,640
floor with my hand on the actual keyboard, trying to

1477
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,760
do things where therek was doing everything rotten or.

1478
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:42,039
Speaker 1: Not, that's right. And I get these little well you're

1479
01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:44,439
like darbian Joners, but but I get an insight into you.

1480
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,039
And I'd be waiting on the Sundays and I knew

1481
01:28:46,039 --> 01:28:48,000
there was like a zoo, if not a menagerie out

1482
01:28:48,039 --> 01:28:52,159
the back. There's there's all kinds of animals and no

1483
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:54,359
one's ark in there at times. Right, So he had

1484
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:56,239
he had the koi fish. Remember he go out for

1485
01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:59,119
the city. You sit on the on the end of

1486
01:28:59,159 --> 01:29:01,479
the pool. There are the cooi. Are the coys still

1487
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:02,920
knocking around or have they gone?

1488
01:29:03,279 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 5: Oh yes, no, no, they're still here, everything still here.

1489
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,039
Speaker 1: Are the dogs still alive?

1490
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:11,359
Speaker 4: Of course?

1491
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1492
01:29:12,119 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? What breed are they?

1493
01:29:14,039 --> 01:29:15,399
Speaker 4: The big Pool Standard?

1494
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:23,119
Speaker 5: The standard poodles? Yeah, Milliam Merlin mun Mulins sitting looking

1495
01:29:23,159 --> 01:29:24,760
a bit right?

1496
01:29:25,359 --> 01:29:29,239
Speaker 1: Get this? You gets this Irish prat off the line.

1497
01:29:29,279 --> 01:29:38,079
I want my pettigree chong but yeah, God knows what

1498
01:29:38,119 --> 01:29:40,399
it is, but anyway, somebody's making money out of it.

1499
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:42,680
But there was pictures of Derek and he'd have the

1500
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,079
two of them in his arms like they were his buddies.

1501
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,199
Used to just love that kind of little window on

1502
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:51,399
your life in a in a in a wholesome way, Gwen.

1503
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,439
But I'd look at now that The other inside I

1504
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,399
got was one time you were you were waiting to

1505
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:57,560
go on, and this proved to me as I said,

1506
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,359
you were having You were wrestling with technology at times, right,

1507
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,960
so you weren't going to be in the mood to

1508
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:07,439
conjure or make or contrive something up right, And he

1509
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:09,520
was talking to you. You won't even remember this, Gwen,

1510
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:13,479
because but I'm such an afficiado of man. Right, you

1511
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:15,600
were waiting for the camera to come on, and he

1512
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,680
and Derek said to you, you said, there's atmosphere here

1513
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,760
tonight or something isn't there And he said to you, yeah,

1514
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:25,680
they're active, they're around tonight. And he was talking about

1515
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:30,079
spirit people I suppose, or is energies. It was that

1516
01:30:30,279 --> 01:30:34,479
unguarded moment. I remember thinking he's not making this up.

1517
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, any there was unfortunately an awful lot

1518
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:44,640
sort of comments and chat went out when we were unaware.

1519
01:30:47,319 --> 01:30:53,199
Speaker 1: Yes, well I have to sorry you mention. I'm sorry

1520
01:30:53,319 --> 01:30:56,079
now you walk yourself into this, Gwen, because one of

1521
01:30:56,119 --> 01:30:58,960
the videos I hold dear is when you remember he

1522
01:30:59,119 --> 01:31:02,359
was going through his he was going through a kind

1523
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:06,520
of a trunk of his memories, right, and you were

1524
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,680
behind him filming. You remember you know where I'm going

1525
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:11,079
with this.

1526
01:31:11,399 --> 01:31:15,359
Speaker 5: And I the most saunted memorabilia.

1527
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,279
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and he was laughing. He was laughing at

1528
01:31:18,319 --> 01:31:20,600
his pacelip. He said, everyone thinks I'm a millionaire. Look

1529
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:27,640
at this. What the other thing was? And if you

1530
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:29,680
had all these little didn't you have all these little

1531
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:30,720
like little trophies.

1532
01:31:31,039 --> 01:31:35,520
Speaker 5: Oh yes, yes there, I've got tons of stuff and

1533
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:39,520
I really actually must get rid of it all. I've

1534
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:43,720
even got these signs to the Jerk Cory ghost Town signpost,

1535
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:50,680
which is yeah and all his clothes are still in suitcases,

1536
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:55,479
and you know, but all the Memorabiliah. Yeah, I don't

1537
01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:56,720
know what I'm going to do with it.

1538
01:31:56,800 --> 01:32:00,399
Speaker 1: Actually, well, you know what when he was when he

1539
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:03,239
was if you pardon the expression, rooting in his drawers, right,

1540
01:32:03,560 --> 01:32:06,760
you were standing behind filming it and you were saying

1541
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,640
to him, listen, Derek, this is all fine and good,

1542
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,399
but when you got your big backside out of the way.

1543
01:32:15,319 --> 01:32:17,079
Speaker 4: I don't remember that one, okay.

1544
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,079
Speaker 1: And also so very quickly now we will wrap it

1545
01:32:20,119 --> 01:32:21,600
up because I'm after take him far too much of

1546
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,760
your time, even so generous with it, but really quickly.

1547
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:26,239
I loved his little radio podcast, Joe, do you remember it?

1548
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And.

1549
01:32:29,119 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: Remember he had this thing. You'd play music and he

1550
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,359
would have this vision of Salmon himself. Of course, Samuel's

1551
01:32:34,359 --> 01:32:37,600
his spirit guide, and they were going. It was kind

1552
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:41,199
of poortent portent in the way. I remember thinking about

1553
01:32:41,239 --> 01:32:44,199
it after he passed, you know, but beyond this journey,

1554
01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:46,720
he knew he was going somewhere else. They'd go into

1555
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,039
this room. See it was there like a meditation thing,

1556
01:32:49,319 --> 01:32:53,520
like and I know you like you have someone had

1557
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:55,119
to sit down and write that out that's okay, that's

1558
01:32:55,119 --> 01:32:57,159
well and good. But with the thought that counts right,

1559
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:01,039
and you'd go he'd go into this room where describes

1560
01:33:01,159 --> 01:33:02,800
or whatever would say have you been a good boy

1561
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:05,359
or bad? And they wouldn't necessarily judge you as so,

1562
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,039
but but but you know, you'd be called to account.

1563
01:33:08,279 --> 01:33:10,560
And then he'd go outside, and he said, and there

1564
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,880
are letters on the wall. I don't know, I can't

1565
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,880
understand what they say, but this incredible music would be behind.

1566
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,439
It's really great music. I know you listed in the book,

1567
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:23,760
which by the way, is called Haunted and Hallowed, the

1568
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:27,560
Dereka Cora Memory Memory Memoir written by Gwen and Dereka Korra,

1569
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:30,399
because it's important to say that Derek's own hand is

1570
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:32,880
in this book as well. So you've got you've got

1571
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:34,760
some of the manuscript on a book he was planning,

1572
01:33:35,119 --> 01:33:37,159
and you've incorporated beautifully.

1573
01:33:37,279 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I a loss has been incorporated. Some hasn't

1574
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:44,159
because I thought it was a bit.

1575
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:48,039
Speaker 1: Ah, you're right, you know you make that you make

1576
01:33:48,079 --> 01:33:50,159
a good call. And I said, you were always very

1577
01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:53,199
very diplomatic until you know, you were put into a

1578
01:33:53,239 --> 01:33:55,000
position where you had to really give you a side

1579
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,119
of account. And tell me, I know he was buddies,

1580
01:33:57,159 --> 01:33:59,920
funny enough talk about being maligned and been parodied and

1581
01:34:00,039 --> 01:34:01,760
all the rest of it. Youre David Ike and himself

1582
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:02,600
were great buddies.

1583
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 5: Yes, there were, Yes, David. You visit Derek regularly when

1584
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:12,399
he's had his office in Victoria Streets in Liverpool, and

1585
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:16,359
they kept in touch over the years and often spoke

1586
01:34:17,079 --> 01:34:22,479
when David was over in America. He'd you know, keep

1587
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,359
Derek updated with what was going on and the sort

1588
01:34:25,359 --> 01:34:28,239
of thing. So yes, yes, he and David I were

1589
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:29,119
good friends.

1590
01:34:29,279 --> 01:34:33,600
Speaker 1: Because David himself, in his own words, has taken monumental

1591
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:37,439
levels of ridicule in his life. But in the world

1592
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:40,479
the words of Adamant, ridicule is nothing to be scared of,

1593
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:43,359
you know. And he's thriving now more than ever because

1594
01:34:43,359 --> 01:34:46,479
a lot of what David has said has kind of

1595
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:49,399
come to pass. But I remember he guessed it on

1596
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:53,479
Derek's show and that was a great, great episode. And listen,

1597
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:56,239
I remember him working on something else as well. Maybe

1598
01:34:56,239 --> 01:34:58,680
you can talk about it, maybe you can't. Beyond the Grave?

1599
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:02,840
Was that a project that never happened? It looked good,

1600
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:03,399
It looked.

1601
01:35:03,239 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 5: Good, didn't it was it was really good, and then

1602
01:35:09,279 --> 01:35:13,920
the chat that we were doing it with yes, disappeared

1603
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:14,960
with all the footage.

1604
01:35:15,359 --> 01:35:18,520
Speaker 1: Oh no, and it's not even out there. That's the thing.

1605
01:35:19,119 --> 01:35:22,720
We can't we can't even pirate it. There you go.

1606
01:35:23,199 --> 01:35:26,039
You've got to put everything in writing, as you know,

1607
01:35:26,079 --> 01:35:28,680
when it comes to merchandise, you'll say no more. You

1608
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:31,600
got to put it in write very very quickly. Here

1609
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,720
as I just move on, So we've talked about the

1610
01:35:33,720 --> 01:35:37,079
fish the football. You know, sure he was a member,

1611
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:40,279
he was on the he was with with Liverpool anyway

1612
01:35:40,279 --> 01:35:42,800
as a schoolboys, so he'd know the Bill Shankly thing,

1613
01:35:43,319 --> 01:35:47,520
which was huge. And as we come to a close

1614
01:35:48,039 --> 01:35:52,520
here with the lovely Gwen Acora, I want to just

1615
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,199
ask you. Let me just ask this question. First of all,

1616
01:35:55,359 --> 01:35:57,079
let's say you're walking down the road and you meet

1617
01:35:57,119 --> 01:35:59,039
a vest would you have much to stay to her?

1618
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:03,119
Speaker 5: If I saw her in the distance, I'd probably turn

1619
01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:06,520
around and more give the opposite direction. Yeah, I would,

1620
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:12,520
because I'm not a confrontational person. But I'm not somebody

1621
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:13,920
who shies away either.

1622
01:36:14,279 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 1: You don't mess with scout lady.

1623
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:21,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not argumentative. I wouldn't argue or shout or

1624
01:36:21,399 --> 01:36:28,239
scream or any of those things. But if somebody has

1625
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:33,079
some sort of beef over something, I'd rather they say

1626
01:36:33,119 --> 01:36:34,920
it and talk to me about it.

1627
01:36:35,159 --> 01:36:37,439
Speaker 1: Of course, then we would.

1628
01:36:37,239 --> 01:36:40,520
Speaker 5: Hit a chatter behind me back, go on to sort

1629
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:44,520
of Facebook and put these cryptic quotes and all this

1630
01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:49,319
sort of thing. I'd rather, you know, it's my face

1631
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:51,520
and then maybe we can clear this.

1632
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: Matter up and be done with it. And we're certainly

1633
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:58,079
done on that subject. And also, I know Pathfinder Dogs

1634
01:36:58,199 --> 01:37:01,199
is close to your heart. And Derek, by the way,

1635
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:03,159
he used to have some great parties, didn't you. You know,

1636
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:05,640
the kind of fans of Derek Acora and all that.

1637
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:07,680
Do you remember remember him in the kilt and he

1638
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:11,319
flashes in the kilt? That was one and the other

1639
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,880
thing I loved. He was about sixty five at the time,

1640
01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:16,800
I know, because I'm so paranoid about my own age. Right,

1641
01:37:17,239 --> 01:37:19,159
was he was? I think he was in Spain and

1642
01:37:19,279 --> 01:37:24,880
that song because I'm happy, Yeah, out on the side

1643
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,279
of the road. That used to just cheer me up.

1644
01:37:27,399 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 5: No way, that was we We weren't actually in Spain,

1645
01:37:31,079 --> 01:37:34,560
and that was that was filmed. We were on the

1646
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:38,680
banks of Roman, was that right? Yeah? Yeah, that was.

1647
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:41,800
Speaker 1: That was he was in such good form, you know,

1648
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:44,159
and you can see the other thing was it was

1649
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:47,399
the charisma. The people that he say he's dancing with,

1650
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,039
they all loved him, and I knew there was some

1651
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:53,039
nice dinners there and all the rest of it, and

1652
01:37:53,079 --> 01:37:55,760
the two of you in your in your finery, glitteraty

1653
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,119
whatever it was. It was lovely being in the court

1654
01:37:58,159 --> 01:38:03,439
of Derek Okra. I have to say, Lady Gwen to them, Yeah,

1655
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,159
and look. The other thing is, what do you think

1656
01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:06,119
his legacy should be?

1657
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:13,039
Speaker 5: Oh, it's legacy. I think be kind and show a

1658
01:38:13,039 --> 01:38:17,359
bit of humility. I think that's what his legacy would

1659
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:21,600
should be, because that was the first person she wants

1660
01:38:22,199 --> 01:38:22,439
I know.

1661
01:38:23,359 --> 01:38:27,000
Speaker 1: And you know what else him and Sam I reckon

1662
01:38:27,239 --> 01:38:31,840
what adventures those two were up to. But also very quickly,

1663
01:38:32,039 --> 01:38:35,479
what's life like for Gwen these days? Are you? Are

1664
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,680
you feeling it? Or do you? Do you ruminate a lot?

1665
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:40,840
Or are you I think you're a people person.

1666
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:45,800
Speaker 5: I obviously it's not something that you want to do.

1667
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:48,279
But you have to continue on with your life, don't you.

1668
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:55,479
I see friends, I go out for dinner, ye, I

1669
01:38:55,560 --> 01:39:00,439
do normal, normal things. I go on holiday. First time

1670
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:04,079
I've been on a plan. I'm going on a fortnight

1671
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:07,159
holiday this year. It took me about four years to

1672
01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:11,479
go away the first time, and now I'm going away

1673
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:16,359
this year. Yeah. So yeah, life carries on, but there's

1674
01:39:16,399 --> 01:39:21,359
always a bit of missing course of.

1675
01:39:21,319 --> 01:39:23,720
Speaker 1: Course, but it gets I don't think it, you know,

1676
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:27,039
it necessarily heals, but it gets easier. And also I

1677
01:39:27,079 --> 01:39:29,399
think just be aware now there could be a bit

1678
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:31,800
of a nuisance, like people like myself or whatever, but

1679
01:39:32,039 --> 01:39:37,239
just be aware there are so many people who loved Derek,

1680
01:39:37,359 --> 01:39:40,319
but it's not just about Derek. Like you must hear

1681
01:39:40,359 --> 01:39:42,399
it in me. I mean I loved you guys as

1682
01:39:42,439 --> 01:39:45,319
a couple. I saw a lot more than just all

1683
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:49,279
the you know, spoons flying around the place. To me,

1684
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:53,000
you were you were a nice template for how decent

1685
01:39:53,159 --> 01:39:56,840
people should be. And good people are scarce, Gwen, right,

1686
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:01,039
and I know that well, you know well you're one

1687
01:40:01,039 --> 01:40:03,319
of the good people. And I want to thank you.

1688
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:07,840
So you're very welcome, and I mean it, so look

1689
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:12,800
at wrap up well, missus Akora. You are very loved

1690
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,279
and you are very generous to give us your time

1691
01:40:15,319 --> 01:40:18,079
here this evening. Would you take care of yourself?

1692
01:40:19,159 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 5: I will I will and thank you very much.

1693
01:40:22,319 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 1: Good night, darling, Gwen. We all love you. Bye bye.

1694
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:28,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, A couple of things over the years. But

1695
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:31,720
I've learned, well, I don't. I suppose it's not learned.

1696
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:33,720
I've just become accustomed to it. And I think it's

1697
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:37,000
kind of it's it's maybe it's another sense or something.

1698
01:40:37,079 --> 01:40:38,680
But often when you go into places, you will get

1699
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:40,520
a feeling for the place, and you'll get a feeling

1700
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:43,720
of whether or not it's comfortable. And whatever cause is that,

1701
01:40:44,039 --> 01:40:47,279
who knows what causes that. But we have an intuition.

1702
01:40:47,359 --> 01:40:49,800
We have an inbuilt intuition. I can't describe what it

1703
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,039
is or where it comes from, or the physics of

1704
01:40:52,079 --> 01:40:54,359
it or the chemistry of it, but it's there. And

1705
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:58,000
anybody will will tell you to stick with your intuition.

1706
01:40:58,359 --> 01:41:01,119
If you think something doesn't feel right, then don't don't

1707
01:41:01,159 --> 01:41:01,680
hang around.

1708
01:41:02,199 --> 01:41:07,159
Speaker 2: Superb advice from regular contributor to Scary Era, David McGlynn

1709
01:41:07,399 --> 01:41:11,600
aka the Squire, and don't hang around either. If you've

1710
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:16,800
got an Irish paranormal tale to tell, simply email Paranormal

1711
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:21,079
Ireland at Proton Male dot com and it'll be read

1712
01:41:21,119 --> 01:41:23,560
out for you before you get to tell it on

1713
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:35,560
air yourself. That's Paranormal Island at Proton Male dot Com.

1714
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:46,359
Speaker 1: Mark Manning. What a woman of substance was our Guenacora.

1715
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:51,479
I certainly hope you enjoy that nice long form interview. Now,

1716
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:54,479
I don't know about you, but my mammy always taught

1717
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:57,720
me it was nice to thank people. And therefore today

1718
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,239
are readers on the section random and I'm I'm a

1719
01:42:00,279 --> 01:42:03,520
strange but true where in order they were? Sarah Campbell,

1720
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:07,640
She's an event host, a radio broadcaster and voiceover of note,

1721
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:10,640
followed up by the Master of the Universe himself, David

1722
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:13,920
McGlynn David ny go way way back. He's also known

1723
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:16,399
as the Squire because he's very awfully he's got an

1724
01:42:16,399 --> 01:42:20,399
interest in all things antique and classic cars, and he's

1725
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:23,640
also a businessman and he is kind of a Swiss

1726
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:26,560
army knife reely of all kinds of everything. What a

1727
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:29,039
great guy and new to the fold. I have to

1728
01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:33,640
mention the lovely Quiva A Garvey. Now I first heard

1729
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,760
her dulcet Tones when she partook in a little section

1730
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:39,600
we had, remember a few months back, an all female

1731
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:42,359
program we had, and I heard her and I went, oh,

1732
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:44,960
I like that kind of youthful lilt she's got to

1733
01:42:45,039 --> 01:42:47,159
her voice. So I got in touch and I'm now

1734
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:50,039
happy to say she is going to read for us

1735
01:42:50,279 --> 01:42:53,600
until she decides otherwise, and she represents not one, but

1736
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:57,680
two teams Paranormal Adventures Ireland as well as the para

1737
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,640
Unity Project. By the way, if you'd to read for

1738
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:02,079
the show and you think you have it in you,

1739
01:43:02,279 --> 01:43:05,680
I'll decide about that, but get in touch Paranormal Ireland

1740
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:08,479
at ProtonMail dot com. That's all you got to do

1741
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:12,279
is email me Paranormal Ireland at ProtonMail dot com. Coming

1742
01:43:12,359 --> 01:43:14,800
up on the next show of Scary Era, I plan

1743
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:18,840
to have Carmel Conway. She's from Tuam in County Galway

1744
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:22,439
and she she's a character. She's great crack, but more

1745
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:26,199
importantly for our show, she is a psychic medium and

1746
01:43:26,239 --> 01:43:28,279
I think you're really going to enjoy her if I

1747
01:43:28,319 --> 01:43:30,520
can square him in as well. I have a long

1748
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:34,600
interview done with Eugene Dorian Late of the Parish after

1749
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,680
Life Paranormal and I think new to the Parish of

1750
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:42,680
Ghost Era. He's joining Anthony and the team now then, Darlings.

1751
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:44,520
That's pretty much all I've got to say to you

1752
01:43:44,720 --> 01:43:48,520
about the show today's and the future shows and all

1753
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:50,560
that kind of thing. So you just wrap up well

1754
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:54,560
now in a nice woolen underpants or Nicholas, and have

1755
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:58,560
yourself a top toddy or even totty if you're feeling

1756
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:02,479
a little bilamorous. M hm No, But what I really

1757
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:04,600
want to say is I'm Mark Manning. It's been a

1758
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:07,279
pleasure to serve you today, and may your life be

1759
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:12,159
filled with unexpected and beautiful things. Take care because I care.