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Speaker 1: What's up everybody. Welcome back to Hobby Hotline. We are

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here on episode three forty nine, which, again, these numbers

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just keep getting higher and Hire, I can't believe it.

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I think I was My first episode was episode like

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one hundred, so it's crazy how far the show has coming.

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We've got some cool news that we're going to be

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talking about on the show a little bit later. I'm

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here with Victor and Chris. I'll start with you, Chris,

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I know you're on the West Coast Card show. We'll

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kind of talk about that. How you doing doing great?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Awesome? And Victor, I'll kick it to you here for

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just you know, give us a quick update. We have

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some big news the YouTube. The show here is going

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to be moving over to four Collectors and Ino. Victor,

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you were saying you had some good info on that

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that you want to share with the audience, So let

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everybody know sort of what you got going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Adam, Good morning to you and Chris. Good

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morning Hobby, and good morning to the chat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we are making the move.

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Speaker 3: I guess it was announced here this past week. There

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was a small promo video that was sent out. I'm

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really truly excited about this transition, this merger with Four Collectors.

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I know, I was bragging about Four Collectors about a

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month ago at the end of one of my videos,

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and they're It's one of those things that I've been

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noticing them really making a move. This past year, twenty

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twenty five has been a very strong year for Four Collectors.

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In my video, I actually said that if there was

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such a thing as MVP for content creators, I believe

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Four Collectors would be the twenty twenty five MVP of

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the of the year because they have a strong brand

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and they've really come on strong this year, especially in

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the areas of, you know, hosting vintage trade nights. I mean,

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who would have thought that there would be a vintage

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trade night. A lot of the trade nights that we've

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been seeing since the inception have been what ultra modern cards,

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and now to have a vintage trade night just completely

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changed dynamic everything. And they not only hosted I believe

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it was Strongville, and then they ended up hosting a

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vintage trade night at the National.

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Speaker 2: Which was a huge success.

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Speaker 3: Not only that, they have been strong leaders in the

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hobby Palooza now for a couple of years, and they

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have a strong team of engineers who really understand algorithms

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and that sort of thing, and the content they have

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been put out and the community that they have built

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has been second to none, and so really excited about

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this merger. When I first heard about it and I

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found out at the National, I was I was excited,

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and so hopefully everyone can be excited along with us

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as we start a new chapter here with Four Collectors.

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Speaker 1: Right absolutely, and we still are going to be here

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next week. I believe that is going to be our

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last show. I think our debut show is going to

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be September sixth, So I'm sure you know, if you

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follow Hobby Hotline, you follow us anywhere on social media,

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you'll see that these announcements will be coming out kind

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of as as we get closer, you know, I think

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that there is an up We've got an updated roster,

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we got some more people. People from Four Collectors are

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going to be on the show, some of their engineers

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are gonna be on the show. It's gonna be a

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phenomenal addition to in my opinion, I think one of

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the better shows in the industry, one of the more

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diverse shows in the industry as well, just like The

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amount of different voices and collectors and people and interests

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on this show, I think is really unmatched. So it's

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going to be definitely a great switch to a different platform,

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you know. So that's gonna be definitely a lot of fun.

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And you know so Victor, thank you for that. So

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we will kind of transition here. Chris, you're out at

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the West Coast Card Show currently. What are the vibes?

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Coast National. Is that sort of the vibes that you're

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getting from that show?

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Speaker 4: You know, it's so funny all the different shows I

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go to. It's the it's the National of the South,

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there's only one National, right we saw it.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy.

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Speaker 4: But this feels very close and and and it's a

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slightly different vibe, but you know, but I would say

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a little less vintage, more a lot more modern, a

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lot of TCG, but there's still some Holy cow. I

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show yesterday, and and there's some there's some incredible cards

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in them and then you know some of the best

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dealers that I know. So I think there's over a

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thousand tables. If you want to see it all, it's

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probably a two day event. I think when you get

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to national level, I think national you need probably three

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days to see everything. And and it was it was

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wild yesterday. I was I was having like a flood

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of memories come back to me from when I was

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working at Upper Deck in two thousand I think it

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was two thousand and six at the National was in Anaheim,

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and uh, it just there's these there are these pillars

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all throughout that that hall, and and these rush of

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memories came back to my early days at Upper Deck

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and and meeting some of the dealers who I now

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call really good friends way back then. So uh, it's

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it's it's nostalgic in a way for collectors who've been

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doing this for a while. But more than anything, I'm

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just shocked at the growth of this show. I know

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we live in a different collecting world post COVID, but

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three or four years ago, and it was this little

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small thing in Burbank, and then they moved Ontario, and

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then he said, I really want to try to bring

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something to Anaheim, and he's done it the last few years.

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And the layout for this one, you know, previously there's

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been an upstairs and a downstairs and then just the

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upstairs and now it's on you know, this main hall

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where the National used to be. And it feels really

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really cool if you're a collector, and it's awesome. This,

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this renaissance of really good card shows is the coolest

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thing ever. You know, at PSA, now we're we're trying

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to get out and meet collectors on their own turf more.

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had never done before, and it's awesome to see the

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different things that each show brings to the table. But

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West Coast card shows quickly become a behemoth in the

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in the in our space, in the hobby, and I'm

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excited to see what's next.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it was funny. Actually, right after the National,

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I posted like, oh if you didn't get out to

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the National. I posted on TikTok. I was like, oh

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if you didn't get out to the National, Like here

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are some other shows that you can go to, Like

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like three. I mean it was only three or four,

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but when you only get three or four comments, it

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seems like everybody's commenting it, and everyone so everyone all

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the three four people were like, oh, you forgot the

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West Coast Card Show. And then I looked into I

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was like, wow, I can't I did miss that, And

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you know Baseball, I think it's Baseball. Card Digest has

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like a show schedule where you can like search by

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your state, like I know, like I live on the Cape,

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so I know, like I think it's August thirty first,

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there's like the Cape Cod Card Show, so I'll be

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probably going to that at the body from Cape Cod

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is listening, but like there are I don't know, you know,

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it's it's like you were saying the post COVID. I

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think it's really impressive how many people you're still seeing

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a big one, like even some of the smaller ones,

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you're seeing people. If you want to go to a

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show every single weekend, you can, which I think is

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like very cool. And I think you know the Card Show.

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the card show just in general is like sort of

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the lifeblood of the industry. I mean, there's so many,

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so many people going to these shows. Like what are

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that that that that that National for the next couple

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of years, and we've right in your backyard, but like,

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you know where else, Like do you think that it

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could expand or even if you wanted to expand?

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in Chicago. I don't I don't think it needs to

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expand her so, but I think the innovation with Rob

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and he you know, he's such a trailblazer, man, I

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think he can he can build something similar up to

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par that perhaps would be perfect for the West Coast.

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available out there, if they can hold something. I'm sure

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there is some type of convention center out there that

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can host the National, But I wouldn't mind going out

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there for a National. But I do think that in

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for the time being, I think the innovation of Rob

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and his teams is doing an excellent job. I will

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the showroom floor kind of giving highlights of what was

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this one. They made like two separate sections. They made

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one for sports cards, one for TCG, and one of

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the TCG side had I believe three hundred and fifty tables,

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he said, but they really segregated both genres and I

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thought that was a really good move. They also, and

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tables in the middle. I thought that was a really

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cool concept as well. And so you know, there's been

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some chatter online, like I says about what the corporates

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like where they belong or is that a good move,

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what they're doing. Man, I like what they're doing, But

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that they're in is two hundred thousand square feet as

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opposed to like in Chicago it's like eight hundred and

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fifty thousand square feet. So like the placement of the

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corporate is going to be different because it's the size

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I'm I'm shocked that we're not seeing manufacturer or participation

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in the show as of yet. You know, all the

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grating company are there, all the auction companies are there.

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incredible collecting base. But I'm a little surprised, you know.

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in California. And then Fanatics as a presence in California too,

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and yeah they they Fanatics does have the their Fanatics

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collect and and some of their other aspects of their

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business there, but Tops isn't there, you know, And I

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think that that is one of the missing elements to

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making this a truly huge show, but good getting back

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to innovative ideas that they're doing. The badges that they

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do for collectors are so cool. You know, they're they're

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actually a collectible badge, and it's like, why hasn't someone

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thought of this before? A lot of it is Steph

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you know, it's not NBA license. But the way that

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the creative ways that they designed the cards that are

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up on my wall or you know, put in my collection.

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So I think it just hits a little different some

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of the things that they're doing.

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Speaker 3: You have it available, Chris, can you show us?

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Speaker 2: No, I get it. I get a stupid exhibitor badge. Cool.

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Speaker 4: So I was yesterday, I was like, shoot, should I uh,

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I should buy a badge? You know, so it makes

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it worth it to potentially by a couple yeah and

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take their badges.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right right yeah. So wait, so Chris, you were

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saying that those were the badges for the non exhibitors.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I know that. I know that they do.

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Speaker 3: Know.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot on eBay from last year and it's

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a really fun collecting rabbit hole go down uh West

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Coast Card Show or Burbon card Show badges there. There's

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some that sell for tens of thousands.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: There's uh steph autographs and one thing that they did

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that was really cool. I still want to get one

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of these irrational price, but it's going to be a while.

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They had him to his thumbprint on the back, which

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was wow, just unique.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I mean that's I know with the new

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they do that as well, not not to the extent.

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I mean I think like this year I got an age,

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I was lucky enough to get one of the rookie

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like I got like an Angel Reese Monopoly prism. And

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I know they were doing that with some of the

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other media badges. I don't remember if they did it

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with the I think it might have. I don't know

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if it was just media. I think it might have

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been just media Victor. I don't know if you remember

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if they had on those national badges, like if was

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it just the media people or was it other badges

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that also had those cards, because like that would be

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you know, that's something where if they're putting rare enough

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cards in there, people are going to be cracking into

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those almost like almost like they're cracking into like a PSA.

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Speaker 4: Case or we have people submit like it's happening. So yeah,

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it's it's a really cool, unique idea that they've done

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the last couple of years, and it creates a really

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different type of collectible, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, Yeah, And I mean that's that's something I've

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always thought of too, with like I've been lucky enough

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to be a media member at the National for four years.

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So like, I have four badges that I maybe should

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put on some sort of display. I mean, I don't.

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I have them all. I kept them all. Luckily, I

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put them just in the same exact place. And because

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I'm the type of person where i'll put something some

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I'll put something somewhere random, and then it's just in

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my head. I'm just like it's gone for forever. I don't.

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I have no idea where it is. So luckily I

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just put him. I put them in the exact same

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drawer in like my closet every single time, so that

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way I always have them. Yeah, So any you know, Chris,

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any final thoughts here. We're kind of going to move

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on to some sales and some other big options that

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are kind of ending this weekend. Any any any final

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thoughts here with the with the West Coast Card show

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since you're out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The other thing that I was impressed by is just

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the amount of people from really different locations.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: There were people that flew out from China that I

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saw and talk to, and some from New Zealand, England.

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So people are coming from literally all over the world

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for this show now, and and it kind of signals

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the last big show of what what we in the

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industry called show season, you know, Comic Con than then

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uh uh National than gen Con. So West Coast Cards

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show is the last biggie uh to finish off the summer.

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And uh, my team always likes this time of year

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because they could rest a little best up a little

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bit and all again. But it's it's two more days.

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So if you, if you are a collector anywhere in

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the West, might be worth jumping on a flight to

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come on out and check it out because it's it's

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worth seeing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, and so I don't be the oh oh yeah,

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go for it brick.

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Speaker 3: Before we transition to the next topic, I wanted to

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answer Ziggio's question at ten oh six a m oh

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yep to my understanding and and and speaking with with

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John Newman, the concept of a live call in show

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is still going to exist for Hobby Hotly.

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Speaker 1: Perfect Perfects and then we have Chris Chris Harris, and

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the chat also shout out to shout out to Chris

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Harris and then give him some shout outs to go ahead.

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Speaker 3: A little snarky as usual, Yeah, of.

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Speaker 1: Course, but it wouldn't be it wouldn't be a tweet

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or a comment from Chris Harris if it didn't have

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any talk to it. Yeah, shout out to a couple

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other people here in the chat. Also, I mean I

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like to do this. I like to see where everybody

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is watching from. Also, so anybody in the chat who's watching,

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want to just leave a comment with where you're watching

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the show from. It's always it's always so fun cause

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we get collectors from I mean kind of similar to

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what you were talking about, Chris, where there's people all

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over the world that are watching this show, and you know,

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you get people from different parts of the country, and

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then you get people from I've heard people from Australia

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and all of these places. So it's definitely cool. So

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if you're if you are a commenter and you would

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like to comment where you watch the show from, please

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please definitely let us know. Yeh. Of course we got

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Matt city Brew always always a great commenter coming into

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the chat. Here. The next topic, we have a.

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Speaker 4: Real quick I got go ahead, go ahead, one last

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funny story. I just I'm looking at a card and

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it reminded me I brought my two boys, twelve and thirteen,

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to the to the show on Thursday night for preview night.

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And I don't like bringing my kids to important shows

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because you know, I've got to work. And uh and

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sometimes you know, two brothers, they can kind of butt

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heads a little bit, and the last thing I need

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is them them choking each other out in front of

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my corporate booth. But they were, they were moving around

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and having some fun. And they're old enough that they

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can go enjoy the show on their own now. And uh.

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One my older son comes sprinting up to me at

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the PSA booth and he's like, Dad, I need seventy

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bucks quick. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoah. Usually

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we talked about this what have you? He was like

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please Dad, And I'm like, okay, but you're paying me back.

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This isn't like a gift. He's like, you got to

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give him so many bucks. Off he goes. And then

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my other son comes back to the booth just with

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his head hanging low, and I go, what's up, pal?

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And he goes James, and I go what and he goes,

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I'm looking at this MAF Gideon card. So we like

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collecting Star Wars and the autograph with Gian Carlo Esposito autographs.

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It's very seldom that they're on the label, so for

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grading purposes, getting a ten on one of his autographs

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is a little hard. And you can see the price.

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I think I'm gonna leave this in this for perpetuity

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because it's so funny. The price is seventy bucks. And

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my youngest son is working a deal on this card

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because he knows, hey, maybe that autograph will grade well,

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maybe the card will grade well. And I'm so proud

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as a collecting dad that he knows this. So he's

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working a deal to get it for sixty bucks. Well,

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his older brother James comes sprinting back and buys it

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for seventy underneath him. Wow, yeah, that's yeah, little did

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I know that's what that seventy was going to having

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them going to fight the whole rest of the day. Wow,

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that's one of the one of the fun parts of

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bringing your kids to a show.

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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, definitely. I mean, at least there weren't

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I hope there weren't any fist thrown. I mean, I

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guess an undercutting of ten dollars to get a car

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that you want is maybe maybe almost as bad as

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the throwing some throwing some haymakers. But you know that's yeah,

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that's yeah, that's such a bopa. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah,

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I mean brother brother brother. We love there. We got

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Brody in the chat dropping some laughing emodis. Yeah, it's

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up Brody. How we doing. Yeah, Wow, that's that's I'm glad.

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I am glad that you cut me off there to

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get that story in because that's that's definitely a fun

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definitely a fun one.

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Speaker 4: I I was like, oh, that that was West Coast

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Card Show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, So the next topic, we're gonna get

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into this one, and then we're gonna get into some

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of the heritage stuff in a little bit. Also, there

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was a four point two million dollar lebron that sold

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and this was the twenty second, so that would have

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been last night. U card Ladder posted they've been posting

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a couple of crazy private sales. There were two Kobe

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flawless logo men that one that sold for two point

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three and then one that sold for one point seven million.

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And now we have this one, which is one of

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the number to twenty three, which to me, it's probably

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a little bit more than I would expect to pay

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paying for this, I would probably would have been closer

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into like the maybe two million, but like not that

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I have the money to spend on the card like

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this anyways. But uh, you know, way back in the day,

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I mean, if people are watching this show, they probably

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remember when like there were number to ninety nine that

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we're selling for one point five two million dollars And

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you know, this one definitely makes sense. So you know,

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I'll kick to you Victor here first, like what are

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kind of your overall thoughts on the car do you

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think they may be paid too much or kind of

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what are what are your thoughts on the number to

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twenty three Lebron selling for allers?

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Speaker 3: Well, it only takes two people, right and strong card

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strong grade. And I'm not a big fan of the

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private sale thing, but I am also confident in the

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card letter process as they do extensive research on these

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sales before they post them on the on their website,

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so it is a legit sale that it's you know,

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it's one of them things that makes me wonder, like

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what's going on in the hobby, Like overall with the

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with the high end market, it's just soaring to like

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new levels. I don't know if it's you know, the

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on the side, I kind of claim it as like

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Saudi money, if you know, kind of what.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, it's getting to that level.

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Speaker 3: But this is a strong card, and hey, the market

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is the market. The market said it's four point two,

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it's four point two. And good thing about it is

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that the rising ship raise all raises all the other ones.

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So typically that's the case where when something like when

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this card starts to go up, all the other ones

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kind of get a little bump as well. I don't

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know if that's going to happen, but sometimes that does happen.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, to this, I would say, it's it's really

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interesting to see a card from Exquisite or or any

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of the really super premium products get a grade that high.

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And the reason why is for those thicker cards I've

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I've learned working here at PSA, it's not four corners

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that you're looking at, there's eight. It's not four edges

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that you're looking at there's eight. It's it's and and

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the manufacturers do the right thing by hand packing out

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these cars, so it's not done through a machine where

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damage can happen to the cards. But uh, these with

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the die cuts in there, and you know so much

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going on the fact they're hard signed. Collectors don't realize

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that that hard signed cards are much more subject to

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worse grades. And why is that because the card ships

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all over the place to get this athlete to sign

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sign it, and and often the cards are they weren't

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in Boca Raton this weekend. All right, let's ship it

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to uh Let's ship it to New York where where

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they're going to be at for signing. Oh no, they

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didn't have time to do the signing there. Let's ship

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it to Tennessee where they're going to be at a

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game this weekend. So a lot of the hard signed

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cards ship a lot in order to get signed, and

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that's another reason why they don't always grate as well

476
00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:48,960
as unfortunately, I hate to say it, a sticker or

477
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,720
a label autograph where the card comes off the manufacturing press,

478
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,640
labels applied and then it goes into the pack. So

479
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,599
to see a nine in the on the condition and

480
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,160
then it's on the autograph, that's a banger grade for

481
00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:05,359
one of the most important cards, Like it's not the

482
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,400
ninety nine version, but with a multi colored patch as well,

483
00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:11,599
that is super desirable.

484
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 2: For collectors. So that's I think it's a really good investment.

485
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,759
Speaker 3: And it's nice that it's an upper deck card, isn't it, Chris?

486
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,319
Speaker 2: It is. It's beautiful.

487
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: But I really, I really like the insight that you

488
00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:26,720
gave there, and you just taught me something. But a

489
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,720
lot of times when these cards, these thicker cards get

490
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,839
typically like an eight. You know, we, at least I do.

491
00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:38,519
We typically blame it on the window where the swatch

492
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,079
is at because sometimes it gets chipped right along that edge.

493
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,640
But you just shared the insight on thicker cards is

494
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,240
what we're really looking at is eight corners and eight edges,

495
00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:52,160
And I never took that point of view. So that's

496
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,319
really good insights on these sticker cards.

497
00:24:54,319 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 2: So thank you.

498
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, anime with this one too, Like with the shape

499
00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:00,079
of the patch, it's like in an R shape, so

500
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:02,559
it's like it's even got more edges. It's got like,

501
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:05,319
well it's got around, but even got more edges. So

502
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,720
and Chris, you actually just completely read my mind. That

503
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:10,279
was the exact answer to the question I was about

504
00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:12,119
to ask you. Uh so I do have but I

505
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,559
have a little bit of a follow up. So, like

506
00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:16,920
this card being from two thousand and three. How does

507
00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:20,720
like this card differentiate from your experience at PSA? Like,

508
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,319
how is it different? How is this card different from

509
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,960
maybe like National Treasures rpas that have been produced over

510
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,160
the past few years, Like is there a big difference

511
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,400
or is it kind of like similar?

512
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 4: I would say a big reason for the success of

513
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,960
the Exquisite line is that it it is. It was

514
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:45,519
adopted and embraced by Asia collectors in Japan. A ton

515
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,680
of collectors in the Philippines went nuts for this product

516
00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:51,920
when it first came out, and so it brought in

517
00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:56,440
a lot of international collectors with with deep wallets who

518
00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:59,359
picked up a lot of these these crazy cards, and

519
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:03,160
many of them are in collections that we may never

520
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,200
see again. But I think when you have the entire

521
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,359
world interested in UH in a in a trading card set,

522
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,480
and and the major portion of the world that collects

523
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,039
and spends a ton of money on sets like this,

524
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,279
I think it's a recipe for success for UH for

525
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,720
that brand for sure.

526
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:28,759
Speaker 1: Right And is you know is this so? I guess

527
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,880
and maybe you don't know this Is this a card

528
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,240
that was like graded recently? You think? I mean, I

529
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,400
think the the serial number was they kind of scratched

530
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,480
it out in the picture, but like, is this a

531
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,160
card that like or actually, sorry, maybe maybe I'll frame

532
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,000
the question a little bit differently. When a card like

533
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:45,000
this comes in and it gets a grade like this,

534
00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:48,319
does it like become the news around the office? Like

535
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,680
does this is like, oh my god, we just graded

536
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,799
like this crazy Lebron card that you got to come

537
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:55,200
see it? Like is that something that happens kind of

538
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,440
in that office or is it like you guys are

539
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,880
almost like numb to seeing crazy cards, and so it's

540
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:02,200
like now it's just you see this card and you're

541
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,519
just like, all right, we got to we have ten

542
00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:05,160
other we got a billion other cars. We got to grade.

543
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,039
We got to move on quick.

544
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,839
Speaker 4: Yeah. Unfortunately, it's kind of the ladder, you know.

545
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 2: I was. I was.

546
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 4: We get excited when we see something like this come

547
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,799
in for sure or or go out. You know, we

548
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,119
see a lot of cards come in, but that when

549
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,519
they go out in that grade, that's that's really cool,

550
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,319
you know. The The thing I would say that a

551
00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:28,759
lot of people don't realize some of the biggest cards

552
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,839
that are not in holders are not in holders for

553
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,920
a reason. It's not that they haven't been seen by

554
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:41,240
grading companies. I had a raw card that was purchased

555
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:44,640
recently for over four million dollars as well come through

556
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:48,119
and it's a PSA five and uh, and the collector

557
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,039
doesn't want it in a PSA five and so it

558
00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:56,279
remains unholdered. So I think that that goes to speak

559
00:27:56,319 --> 00:28:00,400
to the value of grading and having a third party,

560
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,240
you know, validate the condition of the card, because it's

561
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:08,920
it's it's it's a big deal, you know, for collectors

562
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,799
to have a card in a high grade. So it

563
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:15,680
doesn't mean that that four million dollar card isn't extremely cool,

564
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:19,079
you know, it's uh, got one of the biggest stars

565
00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:22,240
in the NBA on it and an incredible patch and autograph.

566
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:25,119
But uh, but unfortunately it's a five and and again

567
00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:29,559
that's that's not an indictment on the manufacturer that made

568
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:31,960
it or or the collector who's had it, who has

569
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,799
it now. It's it's just that these thicker cards are

570
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,720
don't always grade well. And there's a lot of things

571
00:28:38,759 --> 00:28:42,519
that can happen when you're cutting thick cards and putting

572
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:45,359
layers of card stock on on to make a to

573
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,200
make a card that that isn't going to be a gem.

574
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: Mint, right, yeah. And then so speaking of grades, I

575
00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:53,759
think it's into this gonna be an interesting little transition

576
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,119
here to a card. So we're gonna kind of get

577
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,680
into some of the heritage auctions that are coming up

578
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,559
that if you haven't heard, there is a one of

579
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,960
one maybe. I think it's the only Jordan Kobe one

580
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,759
of one logo man in the existence. I know that.

581
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:13,920
I think I saw Brian the card guy or Adam

582
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,559
the card guy, sorry excuse me. He put out a

583
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:17,759
great video where he was saying that there were multiple

584
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:24,200
Jordan Kobe, no Jordan Lebron logo men like this, where

585
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,480
this is the only one. So this card is already

586
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,559
at seven million dollars, so it's already I believe that

587
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:34,559
will be the highest for a basketball card. I'm pretty sure.

588
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:36,799
But when I was looking at card ladder, I think

589
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,839
that there's a potential that in the next like day

590
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,599
or so, this could break that twelve million dollar record.

591
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,079
I don't know. I mean, Victor, I'll ask you this first, Like,

592
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:50,440
you know, you're a Chicago guy. Is this a card

593
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:52,960
that is like you know, is this maybe? Is this

594
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:54,759
the best card of all time? I don't know. Maybe

595
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:56,759
that's my question to you, like, is this maybe potentially

596
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,160
the best card, best basketball card of all time?

597
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:01,279
Speaker 3: Another upper deck card.

598
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: Huh Yeah.

599
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:07,559
Speaker 3: I love this, man, I tell you, Adam, I really

600
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,200
do this is this is potentially one of the greatest

601
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,440
cards ever made. There's a lot going on here, you know,

602
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:18,240
one of one dual logo man autographed of two of

603
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:23,079
the greatest players ever in my opinion. Anyways, so I'm

604
00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:26,440
really excited to see where this thing ends up. Man,

605
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,079
what else can you say? This thing is just you know,

606
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:31,680
awe inspiring, this this card.

607
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: And so, I mean we were just talking about grading.

608
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,480
We were just talking about some of the higher grades.

609
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,279
So like obviously the PSA six on this card. I'll

610
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:44,440
ask you this question, Chris, it kind of doesn't matter, right,

611
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,960
I mean, if sure, if it got a higher grade,

612
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:48,480
maybe that helps it a little bit. And this has

613
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:51,359
kind of always been my thought process and questions abround

614
00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,680
some of these cards, like do you grade them? Do

615
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,160
you not grade them? Like does the grade matter like

616
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440
with a PSA six, Like, Chris, do you think that

617
00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:00,960
really matters for this card? Or is card like it

618
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:04,039
being in a PSA holder and it being the card

619
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:06,039
that it is, just that it's in a holder that's

620
00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,079
really what's going to hold a lot of the value.

621
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: You think, Yeah, I mean, I think the premium exists

622
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,519
when you see that anomaly. That's that you know, like

623
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:18,000
on a Precious Metal Gems card. Traditionally, because of all

624
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:20,279
the foil going on with them, very hard to get

625
00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:22,559
those cards in a high grade. So if you see

626
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,559
a six or seven, you're like, Wow, that's that's a

627
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:28,880
that's a really nice card. But when you see that

628
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,880
nine or ten on a PMG card, you're like, whoa

629
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,480
that that doesn't happen. And you can tell by the

630
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,799
population reports. But on a card as unique as this,

631
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,759
I don't. I wouldn't say throw the grade out the window.

632
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:44,079
I would say that it's it's the only one. It's

633
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:47,640
it's a beautiful card. It presents incredible in the in

634
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,079
the holder, and I don't I don't think it's a

635
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,680
killer per se at all. But it makes me wonder

636
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,319
what it would be in an eight. You know what

637
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:58,200
what it would go for, right, yeah, Because it's like

638
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,680
it absolutely could be you know, on a card like that,

639
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,079
it could be an extra million bucks.

640
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: So it's it's pretty wild.

641
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, like you were saying, the difference

642
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:11,000
between the grade of this card and then the grade

643
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:13,960
of that Lebron card, like the Lebron being a nine

644
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,960
with a ten auto. That is like you're saying, probably

645
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,599
added potentially an extra million to the price of that card.

646
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,160
Like we've seen other number We've seen other number to

647
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,839
twenty three sell in the like one point five to

648
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,640
two million dollar range, especially since that card has dropped

649
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,279
a little bit, and in terms of like the number

650
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:32,200
to ninety nine has maybe dropped, maybe the number twenty

651
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,960
three has kind of hold held its value. But yeah,

652
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,680
I mean a car card like this, if this was

653
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,039
somehow in like a PSA eight or a PSA nine,

654
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:42,960
I think that there would probably it'd probably almost be

655
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,440
a no doubter that it ends up breaking that. I

656
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,839
think it was the twelve point six. There was an

657
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,799
SGC Mantle that sold like a couples ago. And this

658
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,240
is not the only card that is going to be

659
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,599
selling that I think is influential here in the hobby.

660
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:02,759
There is also a Babe Roof. Now, Victor, you may

661
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,200
know more information about this card than I do. Is

662
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,799
this one of the earliest Babe Ruth cards. I mean,

663
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,720
or maybe maybe you may not know, but like, is

664
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:13,519
it nineteen sixteen? I can't imagine there's too many more

665
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,799
Babe Ruths that are going to be that were produced

666
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:19,279
before nineteen sixteen. You know, So, Victor, I'll ask you

667
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:21,359
this card, like was this what do you think of this?

668
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:23,559
The bab Ruth card? I mean, it's the highest highest

669
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,559
grade PSA seven. There's only two graded. Sorry, I know

670
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:28,920
I asked the question that I kept going. But there's

671
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,759
a PSA seven and a PSA nine. There's only like

672
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:33,799
two graded. But so this card, what do you kind

673
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:34,759
of think of that? Well?

674
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,759
Speaker 3: I do know this one has been deemed as Babe

675
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:43,480
Bruce's true rookie card by all intent, But I know

676
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:48,200
there's also the nineteen fourteen I forget the card now,

677
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:50,440
it's slipping my mind. But he also has a nineteen

678
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:53,960
fourteen card, but that features him more in like a

679
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,000
team schedule, shows him like in the minor leagues. But

680
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:01,880
this is one where it truly depicts him in the

681
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,920
Boston Red Sox and is considered for many years now

682
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,639
as as Babe Ruth's true rookie card. Great card, Really

683
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,880
looking forward to seeing the end price on this one.

684
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 4: What I think makes this card so beautiful is, you know,

685
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:19,840
we always think of him as the Sultan of Swat,

686
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,320
and so many of his cards have him with a

687
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,800
bat in his hand. But he was a heck of

688
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,519
a pitcher and that's what he was doing. And so

689
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:28,599
to see him, you know, doing a pitching motion on

690
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,400
a card is yeah, it's it's stunning as it is,

691
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,519
but then it makes you look even closer, like, oh

692
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:39,280
that is cool, but it's him really in his early years.

693
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, because and now, I mean, I know there's the

694
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,199
crazy stats with Otani, and I don't want to get

695
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,440
into modern stuffs that we're talking about Benae a little bit,

696
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,280
but like it's crazy, like the Otani stats that he's

697
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,599
breaking are like stats that Babe Ruth like pitcher, pitcher

698
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:55,400
and hitter stats. He's breaking Babe Ruth's records. So it's

699
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,719
like really really pretty impressive there. And I think Otani's

700
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,400
kind of stopped pitching a little. I know that this

701
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,119
year he's pitched a little bit more than in the past,

702
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:04,519
but uh, yeah, for Babe Ruth, I mean this is

703
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,159
like if you are a Baby Ruth collector, this is

704
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,599
like the card basically that you want to own. And

705
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:13,320
I think it's already no. I think it's oopsnop controls

706
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,239
a little bit here. I think it's Ye. Looks like

707
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,639
it's almost at a million. So there's a chance that

708
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,719
this sells in the million. I guess it would with

709
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,360
it ending in eleven hours. I would imagine they probably

710
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,480
it probably will end at that at that million mark.

711
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:29,360
If it doesn't, it'll be right around there, I would imagine.

712
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,119
I wonder if it on this card, Yeah, it is.

713
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:35,880
I was looking at I was looking at PSA the

714
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,079
PSA Pop Report. There's only like three or two of

715
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,880
them graded just like at all, which is kind of interesting.

716
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,760
And I mean, Chris, actually maybe I'll ask you this question.

717
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,960
A card like that, why do you think that there

718
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,079
are so little graded? Is it a counterfeit counterfeiting issue?

719
00:35:51,159 --> 00:35:53,440
Is it just like like why is there like no

720
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:56,360
cards of that one that are like graded? Really well?

721
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: Speaking of counterfeiting, you know, coming to p s A,

722
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,000
I'm I'm almost shocked and sickened by the amount of

723
00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:08,480
counterfeit items that come through or attempt to come through.

724
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:13,199
And it's disappointing, you know. I'm one of those hobby

725
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,920
positive guys. So I often will tell people if only

726
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,360
these people could use their powers for good. But I'm

727
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:24,039
not saying that this is mass mass counterfeited. We just

728
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:27,119
have to understand that collecting wasn't what it is today

729
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,519
back then, and anything that they made, Like if we

730
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:34,079
think about the junk wax era, you know, how much

731
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:37,760
how many cards were made. I'm not saying that we

732
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,719
live in a junk wax world today, but it is

733
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,679
being produced now dwarfs the junk wax era by a lot.

734
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,480
There's just a lot more collectors right than there were

735
00:36:48,519 --> 00:36:52,960
in nineteen eighty, you know, eighty two. So yeah, I

736
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,360
think it's I think people just didn't save a lot

737
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,760
of this stuff. You know, the mom's throwing stuff out

738
00:36:57,639 --> 00:37:03,360
in the trash is a real thing, and it's things

739
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,239
are changing now.

740
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: We used to.

741
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,679
Speaker 4: Say, you know, and I was doing marketing in Upper

742
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:10,039
Deck that you know, we lose collectors. We lose our

743
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:13,719
male collectors from fifteen to twenty four as they find

744
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,119
out about girls and you know, they move on to

745
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:19,159
the right. But it's it's changed a ton, you know.

746
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,360
Now there's all these you know, teenagers with incredible Instagram

747
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,599
accounts for their cards and things like that. It's really

748
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:30,920
become kind of cool. But back then, you know, people,

749
00:37:31,079 --> 00:37:33,000
as you grow up, you're like, you know, I don't

750
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,039
need to take your toys and baseball card anymore. And

751
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,360
it's I can't imagine how many of these went to

752
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,719
a dump somewhere.

753
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean, I think that's kind of the

754
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:44,920
sort of the interesting thing about cards and collectibles in general.

755
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,440
It's like, what I've noticed is the collectibles that end

756
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:52,519
up being the most valuable are the ones that were

757
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:54,920
not meant to be collected, I guess is sort of

758
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,840
how I've seen it. Like Pokemon cards, I think is

759
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,880
a perfect example. Like when the first edition Pokemon set

760
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,679
came out, nobody was really buying those and being like

761
00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:06,360
Beanie babies are kind of maybe similar, but like nobody

762
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,719
was really buying Pokemon cards, being like, I'm gonna not

763
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,920
open this and it's in whatever. In ten years, you know,

764
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,320
you're gonna be able to sell the case for a

765
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,199
million dollars or whatever. So you know, that's maybe one

766
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,400
thing that I think is interesting about the industry now

767
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:24,119
versus sort of the industry or not the industry, maybe

768
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:26,079
just collecting as a whole. So I feel like there's

769
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:29,239
a lot more companies that are creating things to be collected,

770
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:33,039
which it's almost counterintuitive if you really think about it.

771
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:36,119
Like it's again in my philosophy, is that like the

772
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:39,039
most valuable collectibles are not they were not supposed to

773
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:42,719
be collected. Like that's sort of like Pokemon cards or

774
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,679
any you know, any beanie babies. I guess so, like

775
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,079
I said, as another example, just like things that were

776
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,360
meant to be used for something that end up being

777
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,199
like you know, the the what we view now as

778
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,480
like the most valuable things about most valuable collectible kind

779
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:57,239
of of all time.

780
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,559
Speaker 4: Well you could say that a lot about the ticket

781
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:03,559
in this the entire category where you know, ten years

782
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,039
collecting ticket stubs was like that's an old man's game,

783
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:12,000
you know. But with with the rise of digital tickets

784
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:15,039
and things like that, people have that nostalgia now for tickets,

785
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:17,760
and this ticket market is boomed out of almost nowhere.

786
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,639
But going back to Pokemon, Pokemon first edition, they made

787
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,400
about this much of it. Pokemon today they make this

788
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,199
much of it. And again it's the more there is,

789
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,400
the less collectible it is.

790
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: Sometimes.

791
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,119
Speaker 4: But that's why some of these first editions or older

792
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,519
sets where they weren't as widely collected.

793
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: Have just a tremendous right, yeah, exactly the next card

794
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,039
that's going to be selling another vintage, I would I

795
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:50,679
would imagine, Victor, would you consider this vintage? I mean, honestly,

796
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,880
anything previous to nineteen ninety Unfortunately for me, I would

797
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,639
consider vintage just because that's I don't know, that's maybe

798
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,559
how I view it. But and I know that the

799
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:02,559
actual vintage collectors are probably sharpening their pitchforks behind the screens,

800
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:05,119
like ready to get me off the screen. But so

801
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,960
like this card. I know there's a couple of them,

802
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,440
but like you know, Wilt Chamberlain p s a ten

803
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:11,920
like this is you know, I don't know, I would

804
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,679
consider it one of the whole I would consider it

805
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,400
one of the holy grails of the industry. Is that

806
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:19,199
a card that you know you also like? Like, I mean,

807
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,519
is this what you what are your kind of thoughts

808
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:21,000
on this card?

809
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, man, I I'm surprised it's not a nupper

810
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,360
deck card, but this card in a gym and ten?

811
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,000
I mean, where are all these grails coming from?

812
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:32,159
Speaker 2: Man?

813
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:35,119
Speaker 3: I would love you know kind of the backstory on

814
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:37,280
some of these things kind of like how how they

815
00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:40,760
how they got them, how long they've had them, because

816
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,039
I know sometimes we accuse the hobby of like being

817
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:49,159
a hot potato market. Right, we're just flipping cards over

818
00:40:49,199 --> 00:40:52,679
and over again. But these three cards that you've highlighted

819
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:55,559
here today, these are not your common cards that you

820
00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,519
see every day. Man, These are these are grails, and

821
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:00,800
I would love to know the backstory. But this thing,

822
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,039
I mean, look at look at how beautiful this card is.

823
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:06,719
It's yeah, in a ten for a nineteen sixty one

824
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,639
card is amazing, right.

825
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:11,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned, you mentioned how where are these things

826
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:12,320
coming from?

827
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:12,760
Speaker 2: You know.

828
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 4: One of the most satisfying parts of my job at

829
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,880
p s A Is is being on the front lines

830
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,320
and talking to customers bringing in cards for submission, and

831
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,880
and it it boggles my mind. And it's so funny

832
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,559
to see people rolling up. I tell my team you

833
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,920
never know what anyone has, don't Anyone could break out

834
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,960
a fifty two mantle out of their back pocket and

835
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,679
people bring them up to us. They've got them in books.

836
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,039
A lot of times, the really nice, the ones in

837
00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:46,679
great condition, were bookmarks that were and that's why they're

838
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,119
you know, together and things like that. But I see

839
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:52,960
people bring bring out a million dollar cards out of

840
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,400
out of socks that they've held them in for a while.

841
00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,480
Tupperware old a lot of envelopes, and I'm just like,

842
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:03,280
oh my gosh, get that in the collector and me

843
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,599
is like, can you please put any sleeve on that?

844
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

845
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's it's wild how the way that they've

846
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:16,079
been stored sometimes but sometimes it works like that. But

847
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:17,440
that is a heck of it.

848
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I pulled up another one that I mean,

849
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:23,119
in my opinion, this in a PSA ten would probably

850
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:25,320
be one of my like holy Grail cards. Like at

851
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:26,880
the National I was doing a bunch of interviews with

852
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,239
people and asked and what their dream cards were, and

853
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:32,000
this card in a PSA ten I think would probably

854
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:35,199
be one of them. I mean, Miken is one of

855
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,159
I think the more influential basketball players that probably this

856
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,360
generation has never heard of. I mean, they had to

857
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,599
invent the goaltending rule because he was so tall that

858
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:45,400
he could just basically stick his hand next to the

859
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,920
basket and just like block the shots. So Miken is

860
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:51,840
one of the more influential players. And again, this card

861
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,519
is going to be selling too. So Chris, I'll ask

862
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:57,920
you a question like how these cards like this nineteen

863
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,719
sixty one Fleer or the forty eight Boemen, Like, how

864
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,760
often would you say people are coming in with these cards,

865
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,599
like these older cards like this? I mean, is it

866
00:43:05,639 --> 00:43:07,360
common to see like you, I know you had just

867
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,400
mentioned simple people pulling out mantles and stuff, but like,

868
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,119
is it common to see some of these older cards

869
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,119
coming into PSA or is this something where like this

870
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:18,039
card was probably great at a while ago, and it's

871
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,639
you know, it's still very rare and you're not seeing

872
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:21,159
it that often.

873
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

874
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,159
Speaker 4: So I would say at the if I'm working a

875
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,199
weekend at the West Coast Card Show, let's say I'd

876
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,360
probably see about five different people come in with stuff

877
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,679
from a from a set like that.

878
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,519
Speaker 2: Now, what it's going to great at is is a different,

879
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,639
different story.

880
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:39,519
Speaker 4: But usually people you know aren't bringing us you know,

881
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,599
you know, total junk, you know, so right, But it's

882
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:45,239
it goes back to that, you know, you get a

883
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,760
little numb to seeing really cool cards working at a

884
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,320
company like this, But yeah, it happens more often than

885
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:51,760
you think.

886
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:55,559
Speaker 1: And so Victor for the for this forty eight Boonement set,

887
00:43:56,159 --> 00:43:58,400
it's gonna have some crazy rookies in there. And I

888
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,079
know you know you are the you have a book

889
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,760
about rookie cards, so you're you're very in tune with

890
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,400
what would be considered and what wouldn't be considered rookies.

891
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:09,480
So like for this card, the forty eight Bowman set,

892
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:13,320
like this mic in being a rookie, do you think

893
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,000
that there are more? Do you think that there are more?

894
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:19,320
People have more of these rookies and they just don't

895
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,519
know what they are? Or like, is this a card

896
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,719
where if you got it, you know what you got.

897
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 3: Essentially, I think if if you got it, you know

898
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,480
what you got. These things are are I don't want

899
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,559
to call them rare, but they are scarce right there there,

900
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,719
don't You don't see them every day? This thing? You know,

901
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,239
when when they change the rules of the game because

902
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,880
of you, your goat men, I mean yes, who does

903
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:45,920
not nobody? I know, maybe a novice, right, maybe a

904
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,719
novice wouldn't know, but they can quickly find out that

905
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,320
this card is this player is one of the greatest

906
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:59,559
players of all time. And so yeah, highly highly respected cards,

907
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,719
A nine that has to be the highest grade. Again,

908
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,239
where are you finding these things. If somebody pass away

909
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,199
and decided to, you know, sell out the collection because

910
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,320
this thing, I've never seen it in a PSA nine.

911
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: My goodness.

912
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking up the pop Report right now. Actually

913
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:20,000
I think I believe that there is one PSA ten,

914
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:22,760
But we just pull it up and do the search together,

915
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:26,599
Mike in there's one PSA ten, So there's four PSA

916
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,840
Nine's this only three hundred and sixty seven graded, which

917
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,440
to put into perspective, there's about three hundred and twenty

918
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:39,519
five Jordan Fleeer PSA tens. So uh, it's you know,

919
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:41,760
and you have tons of the justly authentic, and then

920
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,400
even the PSA one I think is very it's it's

921
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,880
a funny number when these cards get graded, like with

922
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,280
those low grades, like so you know, Chris, actually maybe

923
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,039
I'll ask you this question, like when people come in

924
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,880
with these rarer cards, like you know, I think one

925
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,639
of the things in the industry now is people do

926
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,559
the grade reveals, and if things aren't getting a ten,

927
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:02,599
they're pretty upset. Like is that something that you see

928
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:04,400
with some of these vintage cards. I mean I could

929
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,920
imagine that they probably if they're getting a six they're

930
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,920
probably like, yes, a six, this is awesome, Like.

931
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the vast majority of customers. And we

932
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,039
try to temper people's expectations on the front end, you know,

933
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:18,519
as we're taking in cards. You know, we're not greaters,

934
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:20,760
but we can say, you know, if I can see it,

935
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,679
a greater can see it, you know, by showing them

936
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,480
with a loop. You know, here's some of the things

937
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,039
that are going on with this card. And and it's

938
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:30,599
it's wild. You know, as you look at any card

939
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,920
from that, I would say the sixties and previous, as

940
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,639
you as you look at them under magnification, it may

941
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:39,760
look like they have four sharp corners, but then you

942
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,599
get closer and there's fibers.

943
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:42,599
Speaker 2: Going everywhere, you know it.

944
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, So to be able to show that to a

945
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:49,079
collector before they submit helps them understand, oh well, I'll

946
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,320
be I'll be stoked with a four or five on this.

947
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,920
So it's uh, it's just there's to get it's it's

948
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,199
it's crazy to get a grade like that on these

949
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,159
vintage cards. But again, like I said, some people have situations.

950
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:05,119
That's why there's low pop where you know, they may

951
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,000
have put it in a book for years and found it,

952
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:09,039
you know, later on or things like that. I know

953
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:11,679
there's a lot of collectors that go to vintage bookstores

954
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,440
and shuffled through the pages to see if there's any

955
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,639
cards side. So it's kind of interesting.

956
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And then like the mantle that was the

957
00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:23,519
SGC grade or SGC ten. I think that one was

958
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:27,599
just like in someone's drawer. I mean it really the

959
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:30,920
level of that's one thing about interesting about these vintage cards,

960
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,360
like the level of how much people take care of

961
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,079
them versus like they just found. It is like almost

962
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,000
the people who just found the cards end up having

963
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,000
a card that has that's in better quality than like

964
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:41,880
people who like put it in like a you know,

965
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,360
Mike a Penny's leeve or put it in all of

966
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,679
these things. It's just it's kind of a funny thing

967
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:49,199
with vintage. Obviously, the production of vintage is so much different.

968
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,639
And we're actually gonna talk about another vintage card that

969
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,719
just sold that Victor brought up that I had never

970
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,159
really known much about this card, to be honest, but uh,

971
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,599
there is there was in all back in August. So

972
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:01,960
I think this was like a couple of weeks after

973
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,480
the National I know, I keep talking about the national

974
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:05,239
It's just I can't believe how crazy it was. But

975
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:10,119
there was a yeah, right, there was a let's see five, yeah,

976
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:15,320
oh yeah, the eighteenth Bronco Nigirsky. So it's a nineteen

977
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:20,239
thirty five PSA five sold for one hundred and five

978
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,000
A lot of fives there sold for one hundred and

979
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,800
five thousand dollars. And if we're looking at card Ladder

980
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,079
here that is that makes it the fourth highest sale.

981
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:33,079
It looks like with back in twenty nineteen, the same

982
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:37,400
card sold in an eight point five for one seventy four. So,

983
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,360
I mean, you can only imagine what that grade would

984
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,119
probably be nowadays. And you know, so, Victor, I'll start

985
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:43,960
with you here, like you this was the card that

986
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,239
you kind of want to talk about, what you know what,

987
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,480
let's let's let's hear about that sale, Like, what were

988
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:49,360
your kind of thoughts on that?

989
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. What caught my attention with this sale specifically is

990
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:55,920
that this exact card, the last time it was sold

991
00:48:56,159 --> 00:49:00,679
was in twenty fifteen, and I forget the price that

992
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,559
sold for back then, but it is nine hundred and

993
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:09,480
eighty three percent increase on that card since the last

994
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:13,519
recorded sale. And that is just an enormous I mean,

995
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:17,559
how many x's is that and that's an X at least. Yes,

996
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:25,280
Amazing how the high end vintage market is really taking

997
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,159
off here and that it's all right if you can't

998
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,239
find it. I seen it on the on the card

999
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,079
Ladder headliner report that they send out that email. That's

1000
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:39,320
where I saw the percentage eighty three percent increase since

1001
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,000
the last sale.

1002
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: Amazing.

1003
00:49:40,679 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: Jeez. Yeah, I mean, I know, Chris, I relate a

1004
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,440
lot of stuff to the pizzas of you're doing a PSA,

1005
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:48,920
but like, is this a card that you have seen

1006
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:52,159
come in or is this like a card that is

1007
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,800
you know, sort of the rareness of it is more rare.

1008
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,519
Like I'm looking at the PSA proper port. I'm just

1009
00:49:57,639 --> 00:49:59,719
kind of interested to you hear your thoughts about the card.

1010
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,519
Speaker 4: Just in general, I would say probably if I work

1011
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:05,480
in the dealer lobby for all day, you know, it's

1012
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:08,880
where dealers are bringing in things and more VIP type

1013
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,760
customers come through, You're going to see some of these

1014
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:18,079
these types of cards pretty frequently. Not this card per se,

1015
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:21,920
but these types and and it's it's awesome, like there's

1016
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,599
always this moment where we're like, oh my gosh, we're

1017
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:28,079
handling history here, and and some of my newer staff

1018
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,320
will be like as we bring it to the back.

1019
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:34,519
Just just taking something like that from here to a

1020
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:39,519
different room is like by Rep goes, I'm holding ten

1021
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:41,960
million dollars in my hand, and I'm like, yeah, walk carefully,

1022
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,960
so they could take your time with that. But it's

1023
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,920
it's really funny. And in the coin business, they there's

1024
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:51,800
collectors get so excited to say they held a certain coin,

1025
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,760
but but my team feels that way a lot when

1026
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,760
they're they get to hold, you know, something like this.

1027
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's kind of The sports cards is

1028
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,079
kind of crazy in that sense because it's almost like

1029
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:07,079
a time capsule back to that era, like nineteen thirty five.

1030
00:51:07,519 --> 00:51:10,440
I mean the math is about probably like ninety, so

1031
00:51:10,639 --> 00:51:14,400
something that's ninety years old. You're handling something that is

1032
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:19,199
it was produced ninety years ago. It just is crazy.

1033
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,599
It's yeah, it's crazy that things like this still exist.

1034
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,920
I mean, it's you know, there's obviously not only one

1035
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,960
hundred and seventy whatever, one hundred and seventy nine versions

1036
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,559
of this card. But like maybe again, people probably don't

1037
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:35,079
know what this is. And I think I saw a

1038
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:39,400
comment that was pretty good, something about someone's sorry, I'm

1039
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,320
looking for hom oh here. It is people in the

1040
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,280
fifties and sixties just wanted the gum out of the

1041
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,039
pack the cards. You know, they were just for fun.

1042
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:49,320
So it's like that's probably the case with like a

1043
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,400
lot of these cards. To be honest, we got oh

1044
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,400
here's I think we're doing some math here.

1045
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 3: Nice.

1046
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if maybe someone maybe I think

1047
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,559
the math is right, I don't know, but yeah, So

1048
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:05,199
the the card, it's just such again, it's it's a

1049
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,440
it's an awesome sale, and it's I would love to

1050
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,360
see one of these cards sell. So, you know, Victor,

1051
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,880
is this like one of the first football sets? Like

1052
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,199
what exactly sort of makes this card the price that

1053
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,239
it is? I guess I don't.

1054
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 3: I'm not very well versed on this on this gotcha

1055
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,599
set there, Adam, That would probably be for somebody else

1056
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:29,039
to answer, gotcha, But I do know this card is

1057
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:33,320
probably the most iconic football card ever made. That that

1058
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,119
that can be said. I can say that with confidence.

1059
00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:39,199
Speaker 1: Anyway, gotcha, gotcha? Yeah, it's I mean, maybe one day

1060
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,480
we'll see that ps A seven or PSA nine. It

1061
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:43,400
looked like there was one PSA nine, And I mean

1062
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,920
that would probably be if the If the five is

1063
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,320
one hundred thousand dollars, I guess the nine is probably

1064
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,480
in the maybe in the millions. I think maybe. I

1065
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,639
don't know. Sometimes, like I talked about on other shows,

1066
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:58,400
it's I just know the price of stuff when it sells.

1067
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,159
Like I'm horrible at guessing the ricing of stuff. So

1068
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,480
like this Jordan's sale, I'm saying is going to break

1069
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:06,159
the twelve point six million dollar record or whatever. It

1070
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,239
might only get to whatever eight or whatever. So we'll see,

1071
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,800
we'll see what it ends up selling for. And we're

1072
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,400
kind of we're coming up on the top of the hour.

1073
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,320
I mean time spies by here. We'll be back here

1074
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,239
on next week for I believe that will be our

1075
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,719
last show on Bench Clear before we move on to

1076
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,079
four Collectors. So I'm just going to go back around

1077
00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:26,280
the horn one more time, kind of let us know

1078
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,159
what you're doing, what you got going on, let the

1079
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:29,960
audience know where they can find you. Victor, I'll start

1080
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:30,199
with you.

1081
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 3: I am going to be Saturday, so it's content creation

1082
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,760
day for me and I can be found at true

1083
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,360
Underscore rcs on any of the social media platforms. I

1084
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,400
will say that I did. I've been playing around with

1085
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,480
this app called Mantle, and I spent all of the

1086
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,320
last I spent a couple hours last night, woke up

1087
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,280
to it again this morning. I can say this, I

1088
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,079
like what I see. It's a really cool app developed

1089
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,000
just for collect and if you like showing off cards

1090
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:05,880
and that sort of thing, check out the mental app.

1091
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:11,480
I posted my first post last night and really cool app. Man.

1092
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: Nice, nice, Yeah, I think I've Mantle, like I think

1093
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,400
I've heard of it. It's kind of like a blog

1094
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,599
for collect It's almost like an Instagram for collectors. Right

1095
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:21,800
that was am I mistaken there? Yeah?

1096
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 2: So it's similar to Instagram.

1097
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I think that's how I

1098
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:27,559
heard it described at one point when I was kind

1099
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:29,880
of looking into it. Yeah. I definitely suggest going to

1100
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,280
check out that app as well. So Chris, how about you?

1101
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:33,639
What you got going on? I know you're at You're

1102
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,559
on the West Coast at the show. Are you still

1103
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:38,280
at the show? Or I think before the show you

1104
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:39,199
were mentioned you had some stuff.

1105
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:41,639
Speaker 4: I did the first two days and I got some

1106
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:45,559
family obligations this weekend. But but I'm going to be

1107
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:50,039
traveling a lot over the next few months. I'm excited

1108
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:53,920
to be going back East to do an event with Bleaker.

1109
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 2: Sports Cards in New York. We're going to be.

1110
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 4: Out at h I'm going to be going to the

1111
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,079
Macaw Show in China, so I've never been out there

1112
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:07,199
for that, so very excited to see that. Super pumped

1113
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,559
to get back to Toronto for the Fall Expo and

1114
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:12,119
in November, so.

1115
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:13,119
Speaker 2: That'll be great.

1116
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 4: But I want to show you guys just something I

1117
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,360
got yesterday. So I'm a little little pumped and in

1118
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:21,719
partnerding out about it. But people have heard that PSA

1119
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,920
was doing magazines for a while, and I got some

1120
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,239
of my first uh.

1121
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 2: Slab magazines yesterday.

1122
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 4: So these are comics for when I was a kid

1123
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,880
and and most if you're a collector of cards, you

1124
00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:36,840
probably have a box of comics somewhere. So this is

1125
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,960
my old flash that I got done. This is super cool.

1126
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:44,639
So if you're not a comic collector, kind of consider

1127
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,400
the Bowman. First is when you have a first appearance

1128
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,159
of a character. So this was the first appearance of Moonnight,

1129
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:56,440
and this is the first appearance of Black Cat. So

1130
00:55:57,679 --> 00:56:01,400
these holders are flipping cool like and what I love,

1131
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,400
what card collectors would love, is on It gives you

1132
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:09,079
so much information, including if you scan the QR code,

1133
00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:12,320
exactly what's going on with the comic, you know, front

1134
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:17,800
edge where things like that. But I was ever since

1135
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:21,199
I came to PSA, we have these quarterly ask Me

1136
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,920
Anything meetings, and every quarter someone would ask, why aren't

1137
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,920
we doing comic gating? Why aren't we doing comic grading?

1138
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,239
And to see it come from kind of only been

1139
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,280
there for about three three and a half years, to

1140
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,920
see them launch this while I'm here, it's just so

1141
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:37,039
cool and I just feel so privileged to be a

1142
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:39,840
part of it. But one thing I will share that

1143
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:42,320
if you are looking to get your comics graded, a

1144
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,400
service that they offer it's really wild. It's called pressing service,

1145
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,880
so you could have your comic. It just brings out

1146
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,679
the color a little bit more and brings out helps

1147
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,840
the condition, you know, remove some creases or things like that.

1148
00:56:56,639 --> 00:56:59,199
Mostly if it gets wavy. You're not allowed to do

1149
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,440
that in cards, but in comics you are. So each

1150
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,320
like coins is a little different, comics is a little different.

1151
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,239
Cards is its own unique thing. But it's kind of

1152
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,519
cool to learn what I love about, you know, working

1153
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:13,199
it upper deck for so long and then coming here

1154
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,800
is learning about collectibles that I never really thought about

1155
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,079
as as passionately as I do cards and uh and

1156
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:24,519
diving in and meeting collectors, like even stuff like this.

1157
00:57:24,639 --> 00:57:27,480
You know, coins are this is shipwrecked treasure. So this

1158
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:32,239
was under underwater for hundreds of years and now you

1159
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:35,679
can own it in a holder. So it's it's really

1160
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:40,000
cool to stay in your lanes sometimes and collect just cards,

1161
00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:42,559
but it's super fun when you look at the entire

1162
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:46,119
collecting ecosystem now getting some of my comics slabbed and

1163
00:57:46,199 --> 00:57:48,599
chasing some The only thing that's a bad thing about

1164
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,679
comic grading is the holders are a little bit bigger,

1165
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:55,079
and my wife is always like, already like stuff, so

1166
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,880
I gotta be careful with how I bring these, bring

1167
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,639
these home for I would just.

1168
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:03,039
Speaker 2: Want to that with you because to get this, Yeah, I.

1169
00:58:03,079 --> 00:58:07,079
Speaker 3: Ended up submitting about a dozen magazines at the National

1170
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:11,400
so I'm real my my first submission of magazines back.

1171
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, we saw a lot. You know, it's really interesting.

1172
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,360
It's not just comics. You're You're totally right, Victor. So

1173
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,079
we're seeing sports illustrateds, we're SEEINGLED baseball digests and and

1174
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:24,679
all these all these publications that you know, again, it's

1175
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:27,000
a lot like tickets to me, where you know, you

1176
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:30,400
would go to the National and you'd see three dealers

1177
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,559
that just had all these ticket stubs on their booth

1178
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:35,039
and you'd be like, what is this trash? And lo

1179
00:58:35,199 --> 00:58:37,440
and behold it becomes this whole new category.

1180
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:38,239
Speaker 2: Uh.

1181
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 4: So I think that we're going to see something very

1182
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:44,079
similar with there's absolutely a p s A effect to

1183
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,519
when when they start grading new things like I got

1184
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:49,679
funk goes behind me that are graded by PSA. So it's, uh,

1185
00:58:49,719 --> 00:58:51,920
it's wild when it where it goes.

1186
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in my next round of stuff, I'm

1187
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:58,519
getting great by PSA. I've got uh two Sabrina I

1188
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:02,440
and Escu her first Slam magazine cover, which, like if

1189
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:06,199
anybody knows, Slam is like the the basketball magazine for

1190
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,440
for people who were into basketball. And I remember way

1191
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,159
back in the day I was looking and unfortunately they

1192
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:14,119
were not ones that I bought from the store. So

1193
00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:15,800
I think that there's a there's like a there's a

1194
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,320
difference in collecting them, like there's there is a difference

1195
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,519
the way that there's a difference with cards too. But yeah,

1196
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:23,440
they I have two of them that I've even actually

1197
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:26,559
never even taken out of the the the the Male

1198
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:28,280
thing that I got it in, so I haven't even

1199
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,280
looked at them, to be honest, hopefully.

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00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:34,119
Speaker 4: Cover first cover is very similar to a Bowman rookie

1201
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:34,760
card too.

1202
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,599
Speaker 1: Right, and similar to like similar to like what you're

1203
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:40,960
saying about the first appearance of like a superhero in

1204
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,559
some of those Marvel comics or any of the comics. Yeah.

1205
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:46,760
So yeah, so those those will definitely be something I'm

1206
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,199
gonna be submitting. I was going to bring them to

1207
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:50,599
the National but you know, when you when you're packing,

1208
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:52,480
when you're packing up to the brim, it's like, yeah,

1209
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:54,480
maybe the magazines unfortunately, are not going to make it

1210
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:58,000
this time. Yeah, especially because I don't want them folding

1211
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,400
all you know, all that stuff. I mean, I'm sure

1212
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:00,000
you're sure.

1213
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 4: The comic holders, it's uh, that part's kind of cool.

1214
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,320
Add for comics. Uh nice, it's all stacked nicely together,

1215
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:10,159
so right.

1216
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:12,639
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, nice, And I guess you can find me

1217
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:17,280
It's Adam Drew Palmer anywhere on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok. That's

1218
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,639
TikTok where I post most of the videos, and then uh,

1219
01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:22,280
Daily Nonsense on the Sports Card Nonsense YouTube channel. That's

1220
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,519
my like new show that launched before the national So

1221
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:26,400
that's been really cool working with those guys.

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01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:29,599
Speaker 1: That's basically everywhere you can find find me.

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01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:30,039
Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: That's sort of all we've got for today's episode. Like

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I said, we're coming up here. We are at the

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top of the hour. Uh, so make sure you come

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01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,039
back here for one of our last shows on this channel,

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and then we're gonna be moving on to four Collectors.

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Thank you everybody, and we will see you next week,

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I believe for Hobby Hotline, take care

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Speaker 2: And se