Speaker 1: What's up everybody. Welcome back to Hobby Hotline. We are
here on episode three forty nine, which, again, these numbers
just keep getting higher and Hire, I can't believe it.
I think I was My first episode was episode like
one hundred, so it's crazy how far the show has coming.
We've got some cool news that we're going to be
talking about on the show a little bit later. I'm
here with Victor and Chris. I'll start with you, Chris,
I know you're on the West Coast Card show. We'll
kind of talk about that. How you doing doing great?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Awesome? And Victor, I'll kick it to you here for
just you know, give us a quick update. We have
some big news the YouTube. The show here is going
to be moving over to four Collectors and Ino. Victor,
you were saying you had some good info on that
that you want to share with the audience, So let
everybody know sort of what you got going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Adam, Good morning to you and Chris. Good
morning Hobby, and good morning to the chat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are making the move.
Speaker 3: I guess it was announced here this past week. There
was a small promo video that was sent out. I'm
really truly excited about this transition, this merger with Four Collectors.
I know, I was bragging about Four Collectors about a
month ago at the end of one of my videos,
and they're It's one of those things that I've been
noticing them really making a move. This past year, twenty
twenty five has been a very strong year for Four Collectors.
In my video, I actually said that if there was
such a thing as MVP for content creators, I believe
Four Collectors would be the twenty twenty five MVP of
the of the year because they have a strong brand
and they've really come on strong this year, especially in
the areas of, you know, hosting vintage trade nights. I mean,
who would have thought that there would be a vintage
trade night. A lot of the trade nights that we've
been seeing since the inception have been what ultra modern cards,
and now to have a vintage trade night just completely
changed dynamic everything. And they not only hosted I believe
it was Strongville, and then they ended up hosting a
vintage trade night at the National.
Speaker 2: Which was a huge success.
Speaker 3: Not only that, they have been strong leaders in the
hobby Palooza now for a couple of years, and they
have a strong team of engineers who really understand algorithms
and that sort of thing, and the content they have
been put out and the community that they have built
has been second to none, and so really excited about
this merger. When I first heard about it and I
found out at the National, I was I was excited,
and so hopefully everyone can be excited along with us
as we start a new chapter here with Four Collectors.
Speaker 1: Right absolutely, and we still are going to be here
next week. I believe that is going to be our
last show. I think our debut show is going to
be September sixth, So I'm sure you know, if you
follow Hobby Hotline, you follow us anywhere on social media,
you'll see that these announcements will be coming out kind
of as as we get closer, you know, I think
that there is an up We've got an updated roster,
we got some more people. People from Four Collectors are
going to be on the show, some of their engineers
are gonna be on the show. It's gonna be a
phenomenal addition to in my opinion, I think one of
the better shows in the industry, one of the more
diverse shows in the industry as well, just like The
amount of different voices and collectors and people and interests
on this show, I think is really unmatched. So it's
going to be definitely a great switch to a different platform,
you know. So that's gonna be definitely a lot of fun.
And you know so Victor, thank you for that. So
we will kind of transition here. Chris, you're out at
the West Coast Card Show currently. What are the vibes?
How is it? How is it out there? I mean
a lot of people are saying it's like the West
Coast National. Is that sort of the vibes that you're
getting from that show?
Speaker 4: You know, it's so funny all the different shows I
go to. It's the it's the National of the South,
It's the National of Asia. You know, it's let's be honest,
there's only one National, right we saw it.
Speaker 2: It was crazy.
Speaker 4: But this feels very close and and and it's a
slightly different vibe, but you know, but I would say
a little less vintage, more a lot more modern, a
lot of TCG, but there's still some Holy cow. I
was watching I had a little time to walk the
show yesterday, and and there's some there's some incredible cards
in them and then you know some of the best
dealers that I know. So I think there's over a
thousand tables. If you want to see it all, it's
probably a two day event. I think when you get
to national level, I think national you need probably three
days to see everything. And and it was it was
wild yesterday. I was I was having like a flood
of memories come back to me from when I was
working at Upper Deck in two thousand I think it
was two thousand and six at the National was in Anaheim,
and uh, it just there's these there are these pillars
all throughout that that hall, and and these rush of
memories came back to my early days at Upper Deck
and and meeting some of the dealers who I now
call really good friends way back then. So uh, it's
it's it's nostalgic in a way for collectors who've been
doing this for a while. But more than anything, I'm
just shocked at the growth of this show. I know
we live in a different collecting world post COVID, but
Rob Vers' first Burbank show was only like four years ago,
three or four years ago, and it was this little
small thing in Burbank, and then they moved Ontario, and
then he said, I really want to try to bring
something to Anaheim, and he's done it the last few years.
And the layout for this one, you know, previously there's
been an upstairs and a downstairs and then just the
upstairs and now it's on you know, this main hall
where the National used to be. And it feels really
really cool if you're a collector, and it's awesome. This,
this renaissance of really good card shows is the coolest
thing ever. You know, at PSA, now we're we're trying
to get out and meet collectors on their own turf more.
And so we're doing all these different shows that we
had never done before, and it's awesome to see the
different things that each show brings to the table. But
West Coast card shows quickly become a behemoth in the
in the in our space, in the hobby, and I'm
excited to see what's next.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it was funny. Actually, right after the National,
I posted like, oh if you didn't get out to
the National. I posted on TikTok. I was like, oh
if you didn't get out to the National, Like here
are some other shows that you can go to, Like
I was talking to Dallas Show, the Philly Show, and
like three. I mean it was only three or four,
but when you only get three or four comments, it
seems like everybody's commenting it, and everyone so everyone all
the three four people were like, oh, you forgot the
West Coast Card Show. And then I looked into I
was like, wow, I can't I did miss that, And
you know Baseball, I think it's Baseball. Card Digest has
like a show schedule where you can like search by
your state, like I know, like I live on the Cape,
so I know, like I think it's August thirty first,
there's like the Cape Cod Card Show, so I'll be
probably going to that at the body from Cape Cod
is listening, but like there are I don't know, you know,
it's it's like you were saying the post COVID. I
think it's really impressive how many people you're still seeing
at these you know, and West Coast Card Show, that's
a big one, like even some of the smaller ones,
you're seeing people. If you want to go to a
show every single weekend, you can, which I think is
like very cool. And I think you know the Card Show.
I mean I'll ask you this. Victor do you think
the card show just in general is like sort of
the lifeblood of the industry. I mean, there's so many,
so many people going to these shows. Like what are
kind of your thoughts on like maybe a West Coast show,
Like if the National were to go out there. I mean,
I know you're you're a Chicago guy, so like that
that that that that that National for the next couple
of years, and we've right in your backyard, but like,
you know where else, Like do you think that it
could expand or even if you wanted to expand?
Speaker 3: I spoke, Yeah, I'm kind of biased with the National
in Chicago. I don't I don't think it needs to
expand her so, but I think the innovation with Rob
and he you know, he's such a trailblazer, man, I
think he can he can build something similar up to
par that perhaps would be perfect for the West Coast.
I don't know, I don't know the you know, what's
available out there, if they can hold something. I'm sure
there is some type of convention center out there that
can host the National, But I wouldn't mind going out
there for a National. But I do think that in
for the time being, I think the innovation of Rob
and his teams is doing an excellent job. I will
say I watched a video with Rob on Instagram a
couple days ago, and he was kind of walking around
the showroom floor kind of giving highlights of what was
going on. And I really like what they did at
this one. They made like two separate sections. They made
one for sports cards, one for TCG, and one of
the TCG side had I believe three hundred and fifty tables,
he said, but they really segregated both genres and I
thought that was a really good move. They also, and
I've been hearing some chatter online, they put the corporates
on the outer perimeter and kind of brought all the
tables in the middle. I thought that was a really
cool concept as well. And so you know, there's been
some chatter online, like I says about what the corporates
being on the outer court, is that really kind of
like where they belong or is that a good move,
And there's been some debate on that. But I like
what they're doing. Man, I like what they're doing, But
I think it's also an unfair comparison because the building.
I heard Rob and the video say that that building
that they're in is two hundred thousand square feet as
opposed to like in Chicago it's like eight hundred and
fifty thousand square feet. So like the placement of the
corporate is going to be different because it's the size
of the room, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well two things to that. One for the corporate,
I'm I'm shocked that we're not seeing manufacturer or participation
in the show as of yet. You know, all the
grating company are there, all the auction companies are there.
We all see tremendous value in it because there's it's
incredible collecting base. But I'm a little surprised, you know.
And I know manufacturers they have to do their budgets
so you're in advance for events and things along those lines.
But this is this is one that is an easy
one for up productive participate in in the and and
in California. And then Fanatics as a presence in California too,
and yeah they they Fanatics does have the their Fanatics
collect and and some of their other aspects of their
business there, but Tops isn't there, you know, And I
think that that is one of the missing elements to
making this a truly huge show, but good getting back
to innovative ideas that they're doing. The badges that they
do for collectors are so cool. You know, they're they're
actually a collectible badge, and it's like, why hasn't someone
thought of this before? A lot of it is Steph
Curry content, but it's cool and it's it's it's unlice, unlicensed,
you know, it's not NBA license. But the way that
the creative ways that they designed the cards that are
in the badges is super cool. And some of these
there's a chase component to it as well, and it's like,
oh my god, why has no one ever thought of this?
So they're doing some things I think that are are
really not groundbreaking per se, but disrupting and things that
every show should be looking at what they're doing because
they're they're coming up with some really innovative ideas and
from a collector experience, what I love is it doesn't
feel like every other show, right you know you I've
got a whole bunch of badges from all the all
the different shows I've attended, you know, right by my desk,
But their badge is one that I would actually put
up on my wall or you know, put in my collection.
So I think it just hits a little different some
of the things that they're doing.
Speaker 3: You have it available, Chris, can you show us?
Speaker 2: No, I get it. I get a stupid exhibitor badge. Cool.
Speaker 4: So I was yesterday, I was like, shoot, should I uh,
I should buy a badge? You know, so it makes
it worth it to potentially by a couple yeah and
take their badges.
Speaker 1: Yeah right right yeah. So wait, so Chris, you were
saying that those were the badges for the non exhibitors.
That was for like the like the general admission badges essentially.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I know that. I know that they do.
Speaker 3: Know.
Speaker 4: There's a lot on eBay from last year and it's
a really fun collecting rabbit hole go down uh West
Coast Card Show or Burbon card Show badges there. There's
some that sell for tens of thousands.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: There's uh steph autographs and one thing that they did
that was really cool. I still want to get one
of these irrational price, but it's going to be a while.
They had him to his thumbprint on the back, which
was wow, just unique.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I mean that's I know with the new
they do that as well, not not to the extent.
I mean I think like this year I got an age,
I was lucky enough to get one of the rookie
like I got like an Angel Reese Monopoly prism. And
I know they were doing that with some of the
other media badges. I don't remember if they did it
with the I think it might have. I don't know
if it was just media. I think it might have
been just media Victor. I don't know if you remember
if they had on those national badges, like if was
it just the media people or was it other badges
that also had those cards, because like that would be
you know, that's something where if they're putting rare enough
cards in there, people are going to be cracking into
those almost like almost like they're cracking into like a PSA.
Speaker 4: Case or we have people submit like it's happening. So yeah,
it's it's a really cool, unique idea that they've done
the last couple of years, and it creates a really
different type of collectible, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, Yeah, And I mean that's that's something I've
always thought of too, with like I've been lucky enough
to be a media member at the National for four years.
So like, I have four badges that I maybe should
put on some sort of display. I mean, I don't.
I have them all. I kept them all. Luckily, I
put them just in the same exact place. And because
I'm the type of person where i'll put something some
I'll put something somewhere random, and then it's just in
my head. I'm just like it's gone for forever. I don't.
I have no idea where it is. So luckily I
just put him. I put them in the exact same
drawer in like my closet every single time, so that
way I always have them. Yeah, So any you know, Chris,
any final thoughts here. We're kind of going to move
on to some sales and some other big options that
are kind of ending this weekend. Any any any final
thoughts here with the with the West Coast Card show
since you're out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The other thing that I was impressed by is just
the amount of people from really different locations.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: There were people that flew out from China that I
saw and talk to, and some from New Zealand, England.
So people are coming from literally all over the world
for this show now, and and it kind of signals
the last big show of what what we in the
industry called show season, you know, Comic Con than then
uh uh National than gen Con. So West Coast Cards
show is the last biggie uh to finish off the summer.
And uh, my team always likes this time of year
because they could rest a little best up a little
bit and all again. But it's it's two more days.
So if you, if you are a collector anywhere in
the West, might be worth jumping on a flight to
come on out and check it out because it's it's
worth seeing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, and so I don't be the oh oh yeah,
go for it brick.
Speaker 3: Before we transition to the next topic, I wanted to
answer Ziggio's question at ten oh six a m oh
yep to my understanding and and and speaking with with
John Newman, the concept of a live call in show
is still going to exist for Hobby Hotly.
Speaker 1: Perfect Perfects and then we have Chris Chris Harris, and
the chat also shout out to shout out to Chris
Harris and then give him some shout outs to go ahead.
Speaker 3: A little snarky as usual, Yeah, of.
Speaker 1: Course, but it wouldn't be it wouldn't be a tweet
or a comment from Chris Harris if it didn't have
any talk to it. Yeah, shout out to a couple
other people here in the chat. Also, I mean I
like to do this. I like to see where everybody
is watching from. Also, so anybody in the chat who's watching,
want to just leave a comment with where you're watching
the show from. It's always it's always so fun cause
we get collectors from I mean kind of similar to
what you were talking about, Chris, where there's people all
over the world that are watching this show, and you know,
you get people from different parts of the country, and
then you get people from I've heard people from Australia
and all of these places. So it's definitely cool. So
if you're if you are a commenter and you would
like to comment where you watch the show from, please
please definitely let us know. Yeh. Of course we got
Matt city Brew always always a great commenter coming into
the chat. Here. The next topic, we have a.
Speaker 4: Real quick I got go ahead, go ahead, one last
funny story. I just I'm looking at a card and
it reminded me I brought my two boys, twelve and thirteen,
to the to the show on Thursday night for preview night.
And I don't like bringing my kids to important shows
because you know, I've got to work. And uh and
sometimes you know, two brothers, they can kind of butt
heads a little bit, and the last thing I need
is them them choking each other out in front of
my corporate booth. But they were, they were moving around
and having some fun. And they're old enough that they
can go enjoy the show on their own now. And uh.
One my older son comes sprinting up to me at
the PSA booth and he's like, Dad, I need seventy
bucks quick. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoah. Usually
we talked about this what have you? He was like
please Dad, And I'm like, okay, but you're paying me back.
This isn't like a gift. He's like, you got to
give him so many bucks. Off he goes. And then
my other son comes back to the booth just with
his head hanging low, and I go, what's up, pal?
And he goes James, and I go what and he goes,
I'm looking at this MAF Gideon card. So we like
collecting Star Wars and the autograph with Gian Carlo Esposito autographs.
It's very seldom that they're on the label, so for
grading purposes, getting a ten on one of his autographs
is a little hard. And you can see the price.
I think I'm gonna leave this in this for perpetuity
because it's so funny. The price is seventy bucks. And
my youngest son is working a deal on this card
because he knows, hey, maybe that autograph will grade well,
maybe the card will grade well. And I'm so proud
as a collecting dad that he knows this. So he's
working a deal to get it for sixty bucks. Well,
his older brother James comes sprinting back and buys it
for seventy underneath him. Wow, yeah, that's yeah, little did
I know that's what that seventy was going to having
them going to fight the whole rest of the day. Wow,
that's one of the one of the fun parts of
bringing your kids to a show.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, definitely. I mean, at least there weren't
I hope there weren't any fist thrown. I mean, I
guess an undercutting of ten dollars to get a car
that you want is maybe maybe almost as bad as
the throwing some throwing some haymakers. But you know that's yeah,
that's yeah, that's such a bopa. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah,
I mean brother brother brother. We love there. We got
Brody in the chat dropping some laughing emodis. Yeah, it's
up Brody. How we doing. Yeah, Wow, that's that's I'm glad.
I am glad that you cut me off there to
get that story in because that's that's definitely a fun
definitely a fun one.
Speaker 4: I I was like, oh, that that was West Coast
Card Show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, So the next topic, we're gonna get
into this one, and then we're gonna get into some
of the heritage stuff in a little bit. Also, there
was a four point two million dollar lebron that sold
and this was the twenty second, so that would have
been last night. U card Ladder posted they've been posting
a couple of crazy private sales. There were two Kobe
flawless logo men that one that sold for two point
three and then one that sold for one point seven million.
And now we have this one, which is one of
the number to twenty three, which to me, it's probably
a little bit more than I would expect to pay
paying for this, I would probably would have been closer
into like the maybe two million, but like not that
I have the money to spend on the card like
this anyways. But uh, you know, way back in the day,
I mean, if people are watching this show, they probably
remember when like there were number to ninety nine that
we're selling for one point five two million dollars And
you know, this one definitely makes sense. So you know,
I'll kick to you Victor here first, like what are
kind of your overall thoughts on the car do you
think they may be paid too much or kind of
what are what are your thoughts on the number to
twenty three Lebron selling for allers?
Speaker 3: Well, it only takes two people, right and strong card
strong grade. And I'm not a big fan of the
private sale thing, but I am also confident in the
card letter process as they do extensive research on these
sales before they post them on the on their website,
so it is a legit sale that it's you know,
it's one of them things that makes me wonder, like
what's going on in the hobby, Like overall with the
with the high end market, it's just soaring to like
new levels. I don't know if it's you know, the
on the side, I kind of claim it as like
Saudi money, if you know, kind of what.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, it's getting to that level.
Speaker 3: But this is a strong card, and hey, the market
is the market. The market said it's four point two,
it's four point two. And good thing about it is
that the rising ship raise all raises all the other ones.
So typically that's the case where when something like when
this card starts to go up, all the other ones
kind of get a little bump as well. I don't
know if that's going to happen, but sometimes that does happen.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, to this, I would say, it's it's really
interesting to see a card from Exquisite or or any
of the really super premium products get a grade that high.
And the reason why is for those thicker cards I've
I've learned working here at PSA, it's not four corners
that you're looking at, there's eight. It's not four edges
that you're looking at there's eight. It's it's and and
the manufacturers do the right thing by hand packing out
these cars, so it's not done through a machine where
damage can happen to the cards. But uh, these with
the die cuts in there, and you know so much
going on the fact they're hard signed. Collectors don't realize
that that hard signed cards are much more subject to
worse grades. And why is that because the card ships
all over the place to get this athlete to sign
sign it, and and often the cards are they weren't
in Boca Raton this weekend. All right, let's ship it
to uh Let's ship it to New York where where
they're going to be at for signing. Oh no, they
didn't have time to do the signing there. Let's ship
it to Tennessee where they're going to be at a
game this weekend. So a lot of the hard signed
cards ship a lot in order to get signed, and
that's another reason why they don't always grate as well
as unfortunately, I hate to say it, a sticker or
a label autograph where the card comes off the manufacturing press,
labels applied and then it goes into the pack. So
to see a nine in the on the condition and
then it's on the autograph, that's a banger grade for
one of the most important cards, Like it's not the
ninety nine version, but with a multi colored patch as well,
that is super desirable.
Speaker 2: For collectors. So that's I think it's a really good investment.
Speaker 3: And it's nice that it's an upper deck card, isn't it, Chris?
Speaker 2: It is. It's beautiful.
Speaker 3: But I really, I really like the insight that you
gave there, and you just taught me something. But a
lot of times when these cards, these thicker cards get
typically like an eight. You know, we, at least I do.
We typically blame it on the window where the swatch
is at because sometimes it gets chipped right along that edge.
But you just shared the insight on thicker cards is
what we're really looking at is eight corners and eight edges,
And I never took that point of view. So that's
really good insights on these sticker cards.
Speaker 2: So thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anime with this one too, Like with the shape
of the patch, it's like in an R shape, so
it's like it's even got more edges. It's got like,
well it's got around, but even got more edges. So
and Chris, you actually just completely read my mind. That
was the exact answer to the question I was about
to ask you. Uh so I do have but I
have a little bit of a follow up. So, like
this card being from two thousand and three. How does
like this card differentiate from your experience at PSA? Like,
how is it different? How is this card different from
maybe like National Treasures rpas that have been produced over
the past few years, Like is there a big difference
or is it kind of like similar?
Speaker 4: I would say a big reason for the success of
the Exquisite line is that it it is. It was
adopted and embraced by Asia collectors in Japan. A ton
of collectors in the Philippines went nuts for this product
when it first came out, and so it brought in
a lot of international collectors with with deep wallets who
picked up a lot of these these crazy cards, and
many of them are in collections that we may never
see again. But I think when you have the entire
world interested in UH in a in a trading card set,
and and the major portion of the world that collects
and spends a ton of money on sets like this,
I think it's a recipe for success for UH for
that brand for sure.
Speaker 1: Right And is you know is this so? I guess
and maybe you don't know this Is this a card
that was like graded recently? You think? I mean, I
think the the serial number was they kind of scratched
it out in the picture, but like, is this a
card that like or actually, sorry, maybe maybe I'll frame
the question a little bit differently. When a card like
this comes in and it gets a grade like this,
does it like become the news around the office? Like
does this is like, oh my god, we just graded
like this crazy Lebron card that you got to come
see it? Like is that something that happens kind of
in that office or is it like you guys are
almost like numb to seeing crazy cards, and so it's
like now it's just you see this card and you're
just like, all right, we got to we have ten
other we got a billion other cars. We got to grade.
We got to move on quick.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Unfortunately, it's kind of the ladder, you know.
Speaker 2: I was. I was.
Speaker 4: We get excited when we see something like this come
in for sure or or go out. You know, we
see a lot of cards come in, but that when
they go out in that grade, that's that's really cool,
you know. The The thing I would say that a
lot of people don't realize some of the biggest cards
that are not in holders are not in holders for
a reason. It's not that they haven't been seen by
grading companies. I had a raw card that was purchased
recently for over four million dollars as well come through
and it's a PSA five and uh, and the collector
doesn't want it in a PSA five and so it
remains unholdered. So I think that that goes to speak
to the value of grading and having a third party,
you know, validate the condition of the card, because it's
it's it's it's a big deal, you know, for collectors
to have a card in a high grade. So it
doesn't mean that that four million dollar card isn't extremely cool,
you know, it's uh, got one of the biggest stars
in the NBA on it and an incredible patch and autograph.
But uh, but unfortunately it's a five and and again
that's that's not an indictment on the manufacturer that made
it or or the collector who's had it, who has
it now. It's it's just that these thicker cards are
don't always grade well. And there's a lot of things
that can happen when you're cutting thick cards and putting
layers of card stock on on to make a to
make a card that that isn't going to be a gem.
Speaker 1: Mint, right, yeah. And then so speaking of grades, I
think it's into this gonna be an interesting little transition
here to a card. So we're gonna kind of get
into some of the heritage auctions that are coming up
that if you haven't heard, there is a one of
one maybe. I think it's the only Jordan Kobe one
of one logo man in the existence. I know that.
I think I saw Brian the card guy or Adam
the card guy, sorry excuse me. He put out a
great video where he was saying that there were multiple
Jordan Kobe, no Jordan Lebron logo men like this, where
this is the only one. So this card is already
at seven million dollars, so it's already I believe that
will be the highest for a basketball card. I'm pretty sure.
But when I was looking at card ladder, I think
that there's a potential that in the next like day
or so, this could break that twelve million dollar record.
I don't know. I mean, Victor, I'll ask you this first, Like,
you know, you're a Chicago guy. Is this a card
that is like you know, is this maybe? Is this
the best card of all time? I don't know. Maybe
that's my question to you, like, is this maybe potentially
the best card, best basketball card of all time?
Speaker 3: Another upper deck card.
Speaker 2: Huh Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love this, man, I tell you, Adam, I really
do this is this is potentially one of the greatest
cards ever made. There's a lot going on here, you know,
one of one dual logo man autographed of two of
the greatest players ever in my opinion. Anyways, so I'm
really excited to see where this thing ends up. Man,
what else can you say? This thing is just you know,
awe inspiring, this this card.
Speaker 1: And so, I mean we were just talking about grading.
We were just talking about some of the higher grades.
So like obviously the PSA six on this card. I'll
ask you this question, Chris, it kind of doesn't matter, right,
I mean, if sure, if it got a higher grade,
maybe that helps it a little bit. And this has
kind of always been my thought process and questions abround
some of these cards, like do you grade them? Do
you not grade them? Like does the grade matter like
with a PSA six, Like, Chris, do you think that
really matters for this card? Or is card like it
being in a PSA holder and it being the card
that it is, just that it's in a holder that's
really what's going to hold a lot of the value.
Speaker 4: You think, Yeah, I mean, I think the premium exists
when you see that anomaly. That's that you know, like
on a Precious Metal Gems card. Traditionally, because of all
the foil going on with them, very hard to get
those cards in a high grade. So if you see
a six or seven, you're like, Wow, that's that's a
that's a really nice card. But when you see that
nine or ten on a PMG card, you're like, whoa
that that doesn't happen. And you can tell by the
population reports. But on a card as unique as this,
I don't. I wouldn't say throw the grade out the window.
I would say that it's it's the only one. It's
it's a beautiful card. It presents incredible in the in
the holder, and I don't I don't think it's a
killer per se at all. But it makes me wonder
what it would be in an eight. You know what
what it would go for, right, yeah, Because it's like
it absolutely could be you know, on a card like that,
it could be an extra million bucks.
Speaker 2: So it's it's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean, like you were saying, the difference
between the grade of this card and then the grade
of that Lebron card, like the Lebron being a nine
with a ten auto. That is like you're saying, probably
added potentially an extra million to the price of that card.
Like we've seen other number We've seen other number to
twenty three sell in the like one point five to
two million dollar range, especially since that card has dropped
a little bit, and in terms of like the number
to ninety nine has maybe dropped, maybe the number twenty
three has kind of hold held its value. But yeah,
I mean a car card like this, if this was
somehow in like a PSA eight or a PSA nine,
I think that there would probably it'd probably almost be
a no doubter that it ends up breaking that. I
think it was the twelve point six. There was an
SGC Mantle that sold like a couples ago. And this
is not the only card that is going to be
selling that I think is influential here in the hobby.
There is also a Babe Roof. Now, Victor, you may
know more information about this card than I do. Is
this one of the earliest Babe Ruth cards. I mean,
or maybe maybe you may not know, but like, is
it nineteen sixteen? I can't imagine there's too many more
Babe Ruths that are going to be that were produced
before nineteen sixteen. You know, So, Victor, I'll ask you
this card, like was this what do you think of this?
The bab Ruth card? I mean, it's the highest highest
grade PSA seven. There's only two graded. Sorry, I know
I asked the question that I kept going. But there's
a PSA seven and a PSA nine. There's only like
two graded. But so this card, what do you kind
of think of that? Well?
Speaker 3: I do know this one has been deemed as Babe
Bruce's true rookie card by all intent, But I know
there's also the nineteen fourteen I forget the card now,
it's slipping my mind. But he also has a nineteen
fourteen card, but that features him more in like a
team schedule, shows him like in the minor leagues. But
this is one where it truly depicts him in the
Boston Red Sox and is considered for many years now
as as Babe Ruth's true rookie card. Great card, Really
looking forward to seeing the end price on this one.
Speaker 4: What I think makes this card so beautiful is, you know,
we always think of him as the Sultan of Swat,
and so many of his cards have him with a
bat in his hand. But he was a heck of
a pitcher and that's what he was doing. And so
to see him, you know, doing a pitching motion on
a card is yeah, it's it's stunning as it is,
but then it makes you look even closer, like, oh
that is cool, but it's him really in his early years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because and now, I mean, I know there's the
crazy stats with Otani, and I don't want to get
into modern stuffs that we're talking about Benae a little bit,
but like it's crazy, like the Otani stats that he's
breaking are like stats that Babe Ruth like pitcher, pitcher
and hitter stats. He's breaking Babe Ruth's records. So it's
like really really pretty impressive there. And I think Otani's
kind of stopped pitching a little. I know that this
year he's pitched a little bit more than in the past,
but uh, yeah, for Babe Ruth, I mean this is
like if you are a Baby Ruth collector, this is
like the card basically that you want to own. And
I think it's already no. I think it's oopsnop controls
a little bit here. I think it's Ye. Looks like
it's almost at a million. So there's a chance that
this sells in the million. I guess it would with
it ending in eleven hours. I would imagine they probably
it probably will end at that at that million mark.
If it doesn't, it'll be right around there, I would imagine.
I wonder if it on this card, Yeah, it is.
I was looking at I was looking at PSA the
PSA Pop Report. There's only like three or two of
them graded just like at all, which is kind of interesting.
And I mean, Chris, actually maybe I'll ask you this question.
A card like that, why do you think that there
are so little graded? Is it a counterfeit counterfeiting issue?
Is it just like like why is there like no
cards of that one that are like graded? Really well?
Speaker 4: Speaking of counterfeiting, you know, coming to p s A,
I'm I'm almost shocked and sickened by the amount of
counterfeit items that come through or attempt to come through.
And it's disappointing, you know. I'm one of those hobby
positive guys. So I often will tell people if only
these people could use their powers for good. But I'm
not saying that this is mass mass counterfeited. We just
have to understand that collecting wasn't what it is today
back then, and anything that they made, Like if we
think about the junk wax era, you know, how much
how many cards were made. I'm not saying that we
live in a junk wax world today, but it is
being produced now dwarfs the junk wax era by a lot.
There's just a lot more collectors right than there were
in nineteen eighty, you know, eighty two. So yeah, I
think it's I think people just didn't save a lot
of this stuff. You know, the mom's throwing stuff out
in the trash is a real thing, and it's things
are changing now.
Speaker 2: We used to.
Speaker 4: Say, you know, and I was doing marketing in Upper
Deck that you know, we lose collectors. We lose our
male collectors from fifteen to twenty four as they find
out about girls and you know, they move on to
the right. But it's it's changed a ton, you know.
Now there's all these you know, teenagers with incredible Instagram
accounts for their cards and things like that. It's really
become kind of cool. But back then, you know, people,
as you grow up, you're like, you know, I don't
need to take your toys and baseball card anymore. And
it's I can't imagine how many of these went to
a dump somewhere.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean, I think that's kind of the
sort of the interesting thing about cards and collectibles in general.
It's like, what I've noticed is the collectibles that end
up being the most valuable are the ones that were
not meant to be collected, I guess is sort of
how I've seen it. Like Pokemon cards, I think is
a perfect example. Like when the first edition Pokemon set
came out, nobody was really buying those and being like
Beanie babies are kind of maybe similar, but like nobody
was really buying Pokemon cards, being like, I'm gonna not
open this and it's in whatever. In ten years, you know,
you're gonna be able to sell the case for a
million dollars or whatever. So you know, that's maybe one
thing that I think is interesting about the industry now
versus sort of the industry or not the industry, maybe
just collecting as a whole. So I feel like there's
a lot more companies that are creating things to be collected,
which it's almost counterintuitive if you really think about it.
Like it's again in my philosophy, is that like the
most valuable collectibles are not they were not supposed to
be collected. Like that's sort of like Pokemon cards or
any you know, any beanie babies. I guess so, like
I said, as another example, just like things that were
meant to be used for something that end up being
like you know, the the what we view now as
like the most valuable things about most valuable collectible kind
of of all time.
Speaker 4: Well you could say that a lot about the ticket
in this the entire category where you know, ten years
collecting ticket stubs was like that's an old man's game,
you know. But with with the rise of digital tickets
and things like that, people have that nostalgia now for tickets,
and this ticket market is boomed out of almost nowhere.
But going back to Pokemon, Pokemon first edition, they made
about this much of it. Pokemon today they make this
much of it. And again it's the more there is,
the less collectible it is.
Speaker 2: Sometimes.
Speaker 4: But that's why some of these first editions or older
sets where they weren't as widely collected.
Speaker 1: Have just a tremendous right, yeah, exactly the next card
that's going to be selling another vintage, I would I
would imagine, Victor, would you consider this vintage? I mean, honestly,
anything previous to nineteen ninety Unfortunately for me, I would
consider vintage just because that's I don't know, that's maybe
how I view it. But and I know that the
actual vintage collectors are probably sharpening their pitchforks behind the screens,
like ready to get me off the screen. But so
like this card. I know there's a couple of them,
but like you know, Wilt Chamberlain p s a ten
like this is you know, I don't know, I would
consider it one of the whole I would consider it
one of the holy grails of the industry. Is that
a card that you know you also like? Like, I mean,
is this what you what are your kind of thoughts
on this card?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, man, I I'm surprised it's not a nupper
deck card, but this card in a gym and ten?
I mean, where are all these grails coming from?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: I would love you know kind of the backstory on
some of these things kind of like how how they
how they got them, how long they've had them, because
I know sometimes we accuse the hobby of like being
a hot potato market. Right, we're just flipping cards over
and over again. But these three cards that you've highlighted
here today, these are not your common cards that you
see every day. Man, These are these are grails, and
I would love to know the backstory. But this thing,
I mean, look at look at how beautiful this card is.
It's yeah, in a ten for a nineteen sixty one
card is amazing, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned, you mentioned how where are these things
coming from?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: One of the most satisfying parts of my job at
p s A Is is being on the front lines
and talking to customers bringing in cards for submission, and
and it it boggles my mind. And it's so funny
to see people rolling up. I tell my team you
never know what anyone has, don't Anyone could break out
a fifty two mantle out of their back pocket and
people bring them up to us. They've got them in books.
A lot of times, the really nice, the ones in
great condition, were bookmarks that were and that's why they're
you know, together and things like that. But I see
people bring bring out a million dollar cards out of
out of socks that they've held them in for a while.
Tupperware old a lot of envelopes, and I'm just like,
oh my gosh, get that in the collector and me
is like, can you please put any sleeve on that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's it's wild how the way that they've
been stored sometimes but sometimes it works like that. But
that is a heck of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I pulled up another one that I mean,
in my opinion, this in a PSA ten would probably
be one of my like holy Grail cards. Like at
the National I was doing a bunch of interviews with
people and asked and what their dream cards were, and
this card in a PSA ten I think would probably
be one of them. I mean, Miken is one of
I think the more influential basketball players that probably this
generation has never heard of. I mean, they had to
invent the goaltending rule because he was so tall that
he could just basically stick his hand next to the
basket and just like block the shots. So Miken is
one of the more influential players. And again, this card
is going to be selling too. So Chris, I'll ask
you a question like how these cards like this nineteen
sixty one Fleer or the forty eight Boemen, Like, how
often would you say people are coming in with these cards,
like these older cards like this? I mean, is it
common to see like you, I know you had just
mentioned simple people pulling out mantles and stuff, but like,
is it common to see some of these older cards
coming into PSA or is this something where like this
card was probably great at a while ago, and it's
you know, it's still very rare and you're not seeing
it that often.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I would say at the if I'm working a
weekend at the West Coast Card Show, let's say I'd
probably see about five different people come in with stuff
from a from a set like that.
Speaker 2: Now, what it's going to great at is is a different,
different story.
Speaker 4: But usually people you know aren't bringing us you know,
you know, total junk, you know, so right, But it's
it goes back to that, you know, you get a
little numb to seeing really cool cards working at a
company like this, But yeah, it happens more often than
you think.
Speaker 1: And so Victor for the for this forty eight Boonement set,
it's gonna have some crazy rookies in there. And I
know you know you are the you have a book
about rookie cards, so you're you're very in tune with
what would be considered and what wouldn't be considered rookies.
So like for this card, the forty eight Bowman set,
like this mic in being a rookie, do you think
that there are more? Do you think that there are more?
People have more of these rookies and they just don't
know what they are? Or like, is this a card
where if you got it, you know what you got.
Speaker 3: Essentially, I think if if you got it, you know
what you got. These things are are I don't want
to call them rare, but they are scarce right there there,
don't You don't see them every day? This thing? You know,
when when they change the rules of the game because
of you, your goat men, I mean yes, who does
not nobody? I know, maybe a novice, right, maybe a
novice wouldn't know, but they can quickly find out that
this card is this player is one of the greatest
players of all time. And so yeah, highly highly respected cards,
A nine that has to be the highest grade. Again,
where are you finding these things. If somebody pass away
and decided to, you know, sell out the collection because
this thing, I've never seen it in a PSA nine.
Speaker 2: My goodness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking up the pop Report right now. Actually
I think I believe that there is one PSA ten,
But we just pull it up and do the search together,
Mike in there's one PSA ten, So there's four PSA
Nine's this only three hundred and sixty seven graded, which
to put into perspective, there's about three hundred and twenty
five Jordan Fleeer PSA tens. So uh, it's you know,
and you have tons of the justly authentic, and then
even the PSA one I think is very it's it's
a funny number when these cards get graded, like with
those low grades, like so you know, Chris, actually maybe
I'll ask you this question, like when people come in
with these rarer cards, like you know, I think one
of the things in the industry now is people do
the grade reveals, and if things aren't getting a ten,
they're pretty upset. Like is that something that you see
with some of these vintage cards. I mean I could
imagine that they probably if they're getting a six they're
probably like, yes, a six, this is awesome, Like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the vast majority of customers. And we
try to temper people's expectations on the front end, you know,
as we're taking in cards. You know, we're not greaters,
but we can say, you know, if I can see it,
a greater can see it, you know, by showing them
with a loop. You know, here's some of the things
that are going on with this card. And and it's
it's wild. You know, as you look at any card
from that, I would say the sixties and previous, as
you as you look at them under magnification, it may
look like they have four sharp corners, but then you
get closer and there's fibers.
Speaker 2: Going everywhere, you know it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So to be able to show that to a
collector before they submit helps them understand, oh well, I'll
be I'll be stoked with a four or five on this.
So it's uh, it's just there's to get it's it's
it's crazy to get a grade like that on these
vintage cards. But again, like I said, some people have situations.
That's why there's low pop where you know, they may
have put it in a book for years and found it,
you know, later on or things like that. I know
there's a lot of collectors that go to vintage bookstores
and shuffled through the pages to see if there's any
cards side. So it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And then like the mantle that was the
SGC grade or SGC ten. I think that one was
just like in someone's drawer. I mean it really the
level of that's one thing about interesting about these vintage cards,
like the level of how much people take care of
them versus like they just found. It is like almost
the people who just found the cards end up having
a card that has that's in better quality than like
people who like put it in like a you know,
Mike a Penny's leeve or put it in all of
these things. It's just it's kind of a funny thing
with vintage. Obviously, the production of vintage is so much different.
And we're actually gonna talk about another vintage card that
just sold that Victor brought up that I had never
really known much about this card, to be honest, but uh,
there is there was in all back in August. So
I think this was like a couple of weeks after
the National I know, I keep talking about the national
It's just I can't believe how crazy it was. But
there was a yeah, right, there was a let's see five, yeah,
oh yeah, the eighteenth Bronco Nigirsky. So it's a nineteen
thirty five PSA five sold for one hundred and five
A lot of fives there sold for one hundred and
five thousand dollars. And if we're looking at card Ladder
here that is that makes it the fourth highest sale.
It looks like with back in twenty nineteen, the same
card sold in an eight point five for one seventy four. So,
I mean, you can only imagine what that grade would
probably be nowadays. And you know, so, Victor, I'll start
with you here, like you this was the card that
you kind of want to talk about, what you know what,
let's let's let's hear about that sale, Like, what were
your kind of thoughts on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah. What caught my attention with this sale specifically is
that this exact card, the last time it was sold
was in twenty fifteen, and I forget the price that
sold for back then, but it is nine hundred and
eighty three percent increase on that card since the last
recorded sale. And that is just an enormous I mean,
how many x's is that and that's an X at least. Yes,
Amazing how the high end vintage market is really taking
off here and that it's all right if you can't
find it. I seen it on the on the card
Ladder headliner report that they send out that email. That's
where I saw the percentage eighty three percent increase since
the last sale.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: Jeez. Yeah, I mean, I know, Chris, I relate a
lot of stuff to the pizzas of you're doing a PSA,
but like, is this a card that you have seen
come in or is this like a card that is
you know, sort of the rareness of it is more rare.
Like I'm looking at the PSA proper port. I'm just
kind of interested to you hear your thoughts about the card.
Speaker 4: Just in general, I would say probably if I work
in the dealer lobby for all day, you know, it's
where dealers are bringing in things and more VIP type
customers come through, You're going to see some of these
these types of cards pretty frequently. Not this card per se,
but these types and and it's it's awesome, like there's
always this moment where we're like, oh my gosh, we're
handling history here, and and some of my newer staff
will be like as we bring it to the back.
Just just taking something like that from here to a
different room is like by Rep goes, I'm holding ten
million dollars in my hand, and I'm like, yeah, walk carefully,
so they could take your time with that. But it's
it's really funny. And in the coin business, they there's
collectors get so excited to say they held a certain coin,
but but my team feels that way a lot when
they're they get to hold, you know, something like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's kind of The sports cards is
kind of crazy in that sense because it's almost like
a time capsule back to that era, like nineteen thirty five.
I mean the math is about probably like ninety, so
something that's ninety years old. You're handling something that is
it was produced ninety years ago. It just is crazy.
It's yeah, it's crazy that things like this still exist.
I mean, it's you know, there's obviously not only one
hundred and seventy whatever, one hundred and seventy nine versions
of this card. But like maybe again, people probably don't
know what this is. And I think I saw a
comment that was pretty good, something about someone's sorry, I'm
looking for hom oh here. It is people in the
fifties and sixties just wanted the gum out of the
pack the cards. You know, they were just for fun.
So it's like that's probably the case with like a
lot of these cards. To be honest, we got oh
here's I think we're doing some math here.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if maybe someone maybe I think
the math is right, I don't know, but yeah, So
the the card, it's just such again, it's it's a
it's an awesome sale, and it's I would love to
see one of these cards sell. So, you know, Victor,
is this like one of the first football sets? Like
what exactly sort of makes this card the price that
it is? I guess I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm not very well versed on this on this gotcha
set there, Adam, That would probably be for somebody else
to answer, gotcha, But I do know this card is
probably the most iconic football card ever made. That that
that can be said. I can say that with confidence.
Speaker 1: Anyway, gotcha, gotcha? Yeah, it's I mean, maybe one day
we'll see that ps A seven or PSA nine. It
looked like there was one PSA nine, And I mean
that would probably be if the If the five is
one hundred thousand dollars, I guess the nine is probably
in the maybe in the millions. I think maybe. I
don't know. Sometimes, like I talked about on other shows,
it's I just know the price of stuff when it sells.
Like I'm horrible at guessing the ricing of stuff. So
like this Jordan's sale, I'm saying is going to break
the twelve point six million dollar record or whatever. It
might only get to whatever eight or whatever. So we'll see,
we'll see what it ends up selling for. And we're
kind of we're coming up on the top of the hour.
I mean time spies by here. We'll be back here
on next week for I believe that will be our
last show on Bench Clear before we move on to
four Collectors. So I'm just going to go back around
the horn one more time, kind of let us know
what you're doing, what you got going on, let the
audience know where they can find you. Victor, I'll start
with you.
Speaker 3: I am going to be Saturday, so it's content creation
day for me and I can be found at true
Underscore rcs on any of the social media platforms. I
will say that I did. I've been playing around with
this app called Mantle, and I spent all of the
last I spent a couple hours last night, woke up
to it again this morning. I can say this, I
like what I see. It's a really cool app developed
just for collect and if you like showing off cards
and that sort of thing, check out the mental app.
I posted my first post last night and really cool app. Man.
Speaker 1: Nice, nice, Yeah, I think I've Mantle, like I think
I've heard of it. It's kind of like a blog
for collect It's almost like an Instagram for collectors. Right
that was am I mistaken there? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So it's similar to Instagram.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's I think that's how I
heard it described at one point when I was kind
of looking into it. Yeah. I definitely suggest going to
check out that app as well. So Chris, how about you?
What you got going on? I know you're at You're
on the West Coast at the show. Are you still
at the show? Or I think before the show you
were mentioned you had some stuff.
Speaker 4: I did the first two days and I got some
family obligations this weekend. But but I'm going to be
traveling a lot over the next few months. I'm excited
to be going back East to do an event with Bleaker.
Speaker 2: Sports Cards in New York. We're going to be.
Speaker 4: Out at h I'm going to be going to the
Macaw Show in China, so I've never been out there
for that, so very excited to see that. Super pumped
to get back to Toronto for the Fall Expo and
in November, so.
Speaker 2: That'll be great.
Speaker 4: But I want to show you guys just something I
got yesterday. So I'm a little little pumped and in
partnerding out about it. But people have heard that PSA
was doing magazines for a while, and I got some
of my first uh.
Speaker 2: Slab magazines yesterday.
Speaker 4: So these are comics for when I was a kid
and and most if you're a collector of cards, you
probably have a box of comics somewhere. So this is
my old flash that I got done. This is super cool.
So if you're not a comic collector, kind of consider
the Bowman. First is when you have a first appearance
of a character. So this was the first appearance of Moonnight,
and this is the first appearance of Black Cat. So
these holders are flipping cool like and what I love,
what card collectors would love, is on It gives you
so much information, including if you scan the QR code,
exactly what's going on with the comic, you know, front
edge where things like that. But I was ever since
I came to PSA, we have these quarterly ask Me
Anything meetings, and every quarter someone would ask, why aren't
we doing comic gating? Why aren't we doing comic grading?
And to see it come from kind of only been
there for about three three and a half years, to
see them launch this while I'm here, it's just so
cool and I just feel so privileged to be a
part of it. But one thing I will share that
if you are looking to get your comics graded, a
service that they offer it's really wild. It's called pressing service,
so you could have your comic. It just brings out
the color a little bit more and brings out helps
the condition, you know, remove some creases or things like that.
Mostly if it gets wavy. You're not allowed to do
that in cards, but in comics you are. So each
like coins is a little different, comics is a little different.
Cards is its own unique thing. But it's kind of
cool to learn what I love about, you know, working
it upper deck for so long and then coming here
is learning about collectibles that I never really thought about
as as passionately as I do cards and uh and
diving in and meeting collectors, like even stuff like this.
You know, coins are this is shipwrecked treasure. So this
was under underwater for hundreds of years and now you
can own it in a holder. So it's it's really
cool to stay in your lanes sometimes and collect just cards,
but it's super fun when you look at the entire
collecting ecosystem now getting some of my comics slabbed and
chasing some The only thing that's a bad thing about
comic grading is the holders are a little bit bigger,
and my wife is always like, already like stuff, so
I gotta be careful with how I bring these, bring
these home for I would just.
Speaker 2: Want to that with you because to get this, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Ended up submitting about a dozen magazines at the National
so I'm real my my first submission of magazines back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we saw a lot. You know, it's really interesting.
It's not just comics. You're You're totally right, Victor. So
we're seeing sports illustrateds, we're SEEINGLED baseball digests and and
all these all these publications that you know, again, it's
a lot like tickets to me, where you know, you
would go to the National and you'd see three dealers
that just had all these ticket stubs on their booth
and you'd be like, what is this trash? And lo
and behold it becomes this whole new category.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: So I think that we're going to see something very
similar with there's absolutely a p s A effect to
when when they start grading new things like I got
funk goes behind me that are graded by PSA. So it's, uh,
it's wild when it where it goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in my next round of stuff, I'm
getting great by PSA. I've got uh two Sabrina I
and Escu her first Slam magazine cover, which, like if
anybody knows, Slam is like the the basketball magazine for
for people who were into basketball. And I remember way
back in the day I was looking and unfortunately they
were not ones that I bought from the store. So
I think that there's a there's like a there's a
difference in collecting them, like there's there is a difference
the way that there's a difference with cards too. But yeah,
they I have two of them that I've even actually
never even taken out of the the the the Male
thing that I got it in, so I haven't even
looked at them, to be honest, hopefully.
Speaker 4: Cover first cover is very similar to a Bowman rookie
card too.
Speaker 1: Right, and similar to like similar to like what you're
saying about the first appearance of like a superhero in
some of those Marvel comics or any of the comics. Yeah.
So yeah, so those those will definitely be something I'm
gonna be submitting. I was going to bring them to
the National but you know, when you when you're packing,
when you're packing up to the brim, it's like, yeah,
maybe the magazines unfortunately, are not going to make it
this time. Yeah, especially because I don't want them folding
all you know, all that stuff. I mean, I'm sure
you're sure.
Speaker 4: The comic holders, it's uh, that part's kind of cool.
Add for comics. Uh nice, it's all stacked nicely together,
so right.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, nice, And I guess you can find me
It's Adam Drew Palmer anywhere on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok. That's
TikTok where I post most of the videos, and then uh,
Daily Nonsense on the Sports Card Nonsense YouTube channel. That's
my like new show that launched before the national So
that's been really cool working with those guys.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: That's basically everywhere you can find find me.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: That's sort of all we've got for today's episode. Like
I said, we're coming up here. We are at the
top of the hour. Uh, so make sure you come
back here for one of our last shows on this channel,
and then we're gonna be moving on to four Collectors.
Thank you everybody, and we will see you next week,
I believe for Hobby Hotline, take care
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