Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to another episode of Hard Truths. Today,
Speaker 1: my guest Dana Kipple. She is the author of a
Speaker 1: New Force, a book about plasma consciousness and the new
Speaker 1: human potential. She's a polymath, sci fi filmmaker, author, and
Speaker 1: she's interested in plasma intelligence. She's a futurist and she's
Speaker 1: an optimist as well. Dana, thank you very much for
Speaker 1: joining my podcast. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 1: How are you doing great? So did I get the
Speaker 1: introduction right there? Well, how would you explain your research and.
Speaker 3: What you do? Okay?
Speaker 2: I would say that it is on the frontier and
Speaker 2: the edge of what people are doing in science and spirituality.
Speaker 2: So I call plasma like the perfect bridge of science
Speaker 2: and spirituality. My theory is basically, yes, in science there
Speaker 2: is a plasma. It is the for state of matter
Speaker 2: and ionized gas. And my theory is that there is
Speaker 2: a finer plasma that is multi dimensional. It is sentient,
Speaker 2: is the living fabric of reality, and it is finer
Speaker 2: than the plasma we can now prove or observe in science.
Speaker 2: It creates the observable, but it is somewhere between the
Speaker 2: unobservable and observable. So I think one of my life
Speaker 2: challenges will be, Okay, how do we observe or prove
Speaker 2: this and Dewey or is it more about the relationship
Speaker 2: with it? So that's kind of it in a nutshell.
Speaker 1: And what led you to even like kind of look
Speaker 1: into this. I mean, I'm very interested in how people
Speaker 1: get involved in plasma and is they like read some
Speaker 1: of the people that I always get people mentioned to me,
Speaker 1: like you, Joseph Ferrell or Robert Temple, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: How do you get involved?
Speaker 2: Crazy story? So Robert Temple is a great mentor of mine.
Speaker 2: I love him and his wife Olivia. He's like my
Speaker 2: father and then she's like my mother of plasma. But
Speaker 2: I actually found them afterwards. So I was meditating about
Speaker 2: five years ago before a new science of heaven came
Speaker 2: out and all this is really hard to explain. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't believe me, but this is what happened. It was
Speaker 2: like my third time meditating, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: it's like a nosis. I just knew. I was like,
Speaker 2: plasma is the vehicle for consciousness. It is intelligent. It
Speaker 2: is something you know, beyond what they're telling us in
Speaker 2: science that has there's a natural suppression to it, Like
Speaker 2: I just knew all of it has to do with
Speaker 2: like Mary Magdalene and Anana and the Goddess, but also
Speaker 2: with math and science, and I just knew all these things.
Speaker 2: I can't explain how And then you know, it took
Speaker 2: five years to kind of digest and create into a book.
Speaker 2: It took only a year to write it, but it
Speaker 2: was just so much in here. And then I was
Speaker 2: almost like divinely letter. I know this sounds crazy, but
Speaker 2: like divinely Letter guided to what I needed to research
Speaker 2: to kind of put it in like human words. So
Speaker 2: I just found things, and I found that I googled,
Speaker 2: because I never had studied plasma in my life. I
Speaker 2: googled plasma and intelligent and I saw that Robert Temple
Speaker 2: was coming out with a book the next year called
Speaker 2: a New Science Aha it. So as soon as that
Speaker 2: came out, I read it, and that confirmed that I
Speaker 2: wasn't crazy, because I was like, he's saying the same things.
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: I had a similar experience where I remember my first
Speaker 1: conversation with Navy engineer Savator Piis. He brought up that
Speaker 1: we were talking about gravity manipulation, that's already pretty far
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 3: And next thing I know, he's bringing up like have you.
Speaker 1: Read Robert Temple and like this idea that plasma could
Speaker 1: be conscious.
Speaker 3: And I remember at the time, this was two years ago.
Speaker 1: Me thinking Okay, this guy is like out there, this
Speaker 1: is too much, et cetera. And now I look back
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, no, if anything, it's probably even
Speaker 1: more than that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Yes, for me, the thing that made me start taking
Speaker 1: very seriously was understanding that plasma produces its own electromagnetic
Speaker 1: fields and therefore can be self stabilized and can make
Speaker 1: its own shapes like smokering can make it. Because then
Speaker 1: it opens the door to this idea that you know,
Speaker 1: plasma is maybe more than what we thought it was.
Speaker 3: So who were your what what.
Speaker 1: Do you think is your most compelling research or you know,
Speaker 1: for people that are interested in plasma, who would you
Speaker 1: tell them to check out or read?
Speaker 2: Sure? Well, I know with your audience, I want to
Speaker 2: say saying really quick, just to bridge it from science
Speaker 2: to metaphysics, because I do jump a little bit around
Speaker 2: with you with you mentioning electromagnetism, so electro magnetic field
Speaker 2: shape plasma and science even on larger levels, which some
Speaker 2: people in science would not say is true. But if
Speaker 2: you look at the plasma universe model by Hannas Alfin,
Speaker 2: you would find that it can do that and it
Speaker 2: can check out scientifically. The point I'm trying to make
Speaker 2: is who has the largest elect What is the largest
Speaker 2: electromagnetic field of the human It is our heart. So
Speaker 2: when we are connected with our heart energy, one would
Speaker 2: maybe posit that you could harmonize with or you know,
Speaker 2: create reality by molding this plasma with your consciousness. So
Speaker 2: it's just some thing to think about, which is why
Speaker 2: when we're in our hearts we can create reality a
Speaker 2: lot easier than maybe when we're decoherent and angry and
Speaker 2: not in our hearts. So that's kind of a lot
Speaker 2: of my research and I connect those things. And two,
Speaker 2: if you're interested in plasma, where would I start? I
Speaker 2: would actually read a lot of Russian textbooks on plasma physics,
Speaker 2: and in Israel in India because they actually had the
Speaker 2: leading research that is not as suppressed as here. I
Speaker 2: would read obviously my book A New Force, Plasma Consciousness
Speaker 2: and the Muman Potential. I would read Eileen Mcusic's book
Speaker 2: Tuning the human biofield. It talks about bioplasma and how
Speaker 2: it kind of connects with our emotions and trauma. I mean,
Speaker 2: I have so many books. A New Science of Heaven
Speaker 2: by Robert Temple, I would read up on time crystals
Speaker 2: and how mushrooms communicate, because how my celium communicate and
Speaker 2: how viruses communicate and grow are actually the same as
Speaker 2: how plasma communicates. I'm looking at my library, I mean,
Speaker 2: there's so many books. Let me just grab one or
Speaker 2: two because it's right here.
Speaker 4: So I have like a special session session that is
Speaker 4: all what I've read about plasma.
Speaker 2: So I'm just going to bring it to you really
Speaker 2: quick and be crazy, but it'll be worth it because
Speaker 2: this will help everyone because this is what I read. Okay,
Speaker 2: just a feel. So this is the Russian book Plasma
Speaker 2: the Four State of Matter by D. A. Frank Kevin Netski,
Speaker 2: and it kind of goes it explains it. It's like
Speaker 2: a you know, ultra collegiate book, but it explains it
Speaker 2: the way anyone can understand just the complexity of plasma
Speaker 2: and science. And then I'm just looking for the ones
Speaker 2: that this book on soft matter is great because in
Speaker 2: the future we're actually going to be working more with
Speaker 2: systems theory and plasma and organic material and soft matter
Speaker 2: and technology. So that's good to learn about. And then
Speaker 2: this is kind of weird. This is a channeled book.
Speaker 2: It is the wooiest book I have. It's called Afterlife
Speaker 2: Comments on paraphysical concepts, the New Physics, and this woman
Speaker 2: supposedly channels Nicola Tesla, but it still is super interesting.
Speaker 3: I can the golden ratio there on the cover of Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then like you know, Nicola Tesla purple energy places.
Speaker 2: Nicoloa Tesla worked with plasma. He called it radiant matter.
Speaker 2: And then there's also radiant energy, which is what I
Speaker 2: believe is your plasma and consciousness working together. And he
Speaker 2: spoke about something more magical than radiant matter, which was
Speaker 2: what he was doing with radiant energy right before he died.
Speaker 3: And then let's I want to broach on a couple
Speaker 3: of these topics.
Speaker 1: He brought you around a lot of physics topics that
Speaker 1: I've talked about and this, Yeah, a lot first I
Speaker 1: think would be well, maybe radiant energy matter. So I'm
Speaker 1: guessing that you think that there is a connection between
Speaker 1: this plasma cosmology, plasma universe understanding of Nikola Tesla, you
Speaker 1: want to elaborate on that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So when they first discovered plasma in like
Speaker 2: eighteen seventy eight, Sir William Crooks named it radiant matter.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, this is like, this
Speaker 2: is all in my book in chapter two. It connects
Speaker 2: ether and plasma together all of a sudden, and then
Speaker 2: they call it. They come up with this thing called
Speaker 2: the lou and Sir William Crooks talked about how this
Speaker 2: radiant matter had paranormal properties. He addressed the British Royal
Speaker 2: Society about that and X rays and how there was
Speaker 2: something beyond science he couldn't explain that scientists were scared of,
Speaker 2: and he told them, please research this. There's something here.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden they come up with
Speaker 2: luminiferous ether, and then how plasma is this? But then
Speaker 2: they disprove it with the Michelson Morley experiment, which they
Speaker 2: were testing the static ether, and all of us know
Speaker 2: that ether is not static, so the test was wrong
Speaker 2: and defunct and stupid anyway, and I go into it
Speaker 2: in my book, and then all of a sudden we
Speaker 2: forget all about this, and then Tesla's working with radiant matter. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty eight, Irving langmir the for state of
Speaker 2: matter plasma after blood plasma, because it has the same
Speaker 2: exact behaviors. And now we have after the FBI has
Speaker 2: created we have plasma, but all of its mystical properties
Speaker 2: were strict, and now we just have this plasma that
Speaker 2: no one learns about in school, and it goes underground
Speaker 2: and is tested in the military for like the last
Speaker 2: hundred years, but it makes up ninety nine point nine
Speaker 2: percent of visible matter. Yet we do not learn about
Speaker 2: it in school. Why we learned about particles which may
Speaker 2: or may not even exist, because really everything's made up
Speaker 2: of fields and plasma. So anyway, that's kind of the
Speaker 2: weird tale of the natural suppression of plasma, and it
Speaker 2: actually has some fascinating links with the divine feminine being
Speaker 2: suppressed and magic and weird stuff.
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of questions and all of those things.
Speaker 1: So one thing I want to bring up though, radiant
Speaker 1: matter radiant energy. Yeah, a lot of people look back
Speaker 1: at that and they think, oh, this was just you know,
Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds mumbo jumbo someone's making up. But really what
Speaker 1: was going on is we just didn't have the terminology
Speaker 1: from the physics and scientific perspective to describe what.
Speaker 3: The effector we're seeing. But I do think it's interesting
Speaker 3: that was connected to X rays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, X rays in that in that spectrum are one
Speaker 1: of the things that get released when you have like
Speaker 1: a fusion reaction go on.
Speaker 3: So when we're dealing with plasma, X rays are really common. Actually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, idea of like radiant energy like this energy that
Speaker 1: comes from nowhere, ye be absurd, but it got proven
Speaker 1: in twenty eleven with the dynamic Casimir effect that we
Speaker 1: can actually make light appear from nothingness, from just empty space.
Speaker 3: So that kind of if that what if that is
Speaker 3: radiant energy?
Speaker 1: And that was just Nikola Tesla or someone else trying
Speaker 1: to explain you know, what it is.
Speaker 3: Do you think that makes sense? Yes?
Speaker 2: And there I don't know if you brought up there's
Speaker 2: a company that named Kasmir that's actually doing some very
Speaker 2: interesting stuff. Have you looked them up?
Speaker 4: The City Whites company have to look at I don't know,
Speaker 4: Kashmir Kashmir Space and they have it's basically free energy,
Speaker 4: but the.
Speaker 2: Department Defense is funding it, so I don't know, but
Speaker 2: they've had this forever, but now they're putting it out there,
Speaker 2: but it's called Kasimir Space for a reason.
Speaker 3: That is Funny White's company.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yes, yes, White is it goes even further because, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is where I want to help bridge some of
Speaker 1: the gap because people think when they hear some of
Speaker 1: this like, oh, she's just making this up whatever.
Speaker 3: Like No, these are like literal.
Speaker 1: Like former NASA engineers and people that have like defense
Speaker 1: contracts that are doing this stuff. And Sunny White is
Speaker 1: the founder of Kashmir the company Kasmir. It's named after
Speaker 1: Hendrik Kasimir, the Kashmir effect with the two plates and
Speaker 1: negative energy. And he was on Joe Rogan last year,
Speaker 1: not even a year ago, with a microchip that he
Speaker 1: said could do power low energy devices like pacemakers like
Speaker 1: forever with no batteries.
Speaker 3: So these concepts are absolutely real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people bring up and this is and if you
Speaker 1: talk to a lot of these engineers, they'll say the
Speaker 1: same thing that this really I ask you is they'll
Speaker 1: say that this goes back to like Nikola Tesla, it
Speaker 1: goes back to thinking of everything as waves and why
Speaker 1: we don't worry about plasma.
Speaker 3: One thing I want to go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well, I should just say back to connection you're saying,
Speaker 2: because I never answer the questions people ask me, and
Speaker 2: I'm trying to ask answer. Is I connect the radiant
Speaker 2: energy which most people don't with actual with this plasma,
Speaker 2: this finer plasma, and our consciousness and what we create
Speaker 2: out of that, out of literally creating with this ery,
Speaker 2: with this radiant matter in our consciousness is radiant energy.
Speaker 2: Some could call it God energy. I call it emergent energy,
Speaker 2: but some can call it dark energy, which expands the universe.
Speaker 2: But this is just simple pattern recognition. And maybe people
Speaker 2: don't take me seriously because I'm whimsical, but I know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is going to pay off, So I
Speaker 2: don't really give a fuck because I think that you
Speaker 2: can be smart and still be authentic and weird and
Speaker 2: goofy and yeah x race. There's if people want to
Speaker 2: know more about it, it's pages like fifty forty nine
Speaker 2: to fifty two in my book, I talk about this
Speaker 2: guy that Nicholson, John William Nicholson, and his other model
Speaker 2: of an Adam and why it has to do more
Speaker 2: with like spectrals, and yeah, I go all into those
Speaker 2: weird things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, I didn't know about him. I'll have to
Speaker 3: look him up later.
Speaker 2: I love him deep.
Speaker 3: Have you ever looked at a company called Brilliant Light
Speaker 3: Power before? You may want to check into them.
Speaker 1: They're more I mean, not so much like they don't
Speaker 1: talk about plasma or you know, esoteric concepts as much.
Speaker 1: But they've basically made a little fusion reactors releasing X
Speaker 1: rays and they're trying to harness the X rays as energy,
Speaker 1: trying to harness everything.
Speaker 3: But I've been talking to their CEO, guy named.
Speaker 1: I forgot up the top of my head'll come to
Speaker 1: me in a second, but mis Randall Mills and and
Speaker 1: I think it was Catherine Hicks was talking about him
Speaker 1: and then Breakthrough Energy. So the thas why I bring
Speaker 1: it up is that you know, assuming that you're correct,
Speaker 1: which I think you are about some of this plasma
Speaker 1: and my theories as well is that people have been
Speaker 1: working on this and they've they've figured out that's the
Speaker 1: secret of it, and they're exploiting it to make money
Speaker 1: in businesses, and the government's exploiting it I think for
Speaker 1: military purposes. Oh yeah, now, is that why you spoke
Speaker 1: to Nick Cook? How did you get in touch with him?
Speaker 1: With the Yeah, zero point energy. Yeah, that conversation is
Speaker 1: really interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so very interesting story. So basically really quick with
Speaker 2: what's going on right now. And so the government's known
Speaker 2: about this for one hundred years, right and now all
Speaker 2: these people are coming out with it. That is because
Speaker 2: and I have insider information about this, and I'm fine
Speaker 2: saying it. They've been told and given permission by the
Speaker 2: government to come out with it. These people have had
Speaker 2: these technologies forever and they've in the past have been
Speaker 2: you know, suppressed.
Speaker 3: Now be.
Speaker 2: So many people know about it, and it's just it's
Speaker 2: a safer time for people where it wasn't ten years ago.
Speaker 2: And I will also say with that, as cool as all,
Speaker 2: this is the real secret hidden in plain sight. And
Speaker 2: this goes back to secret society. It's as crazy as
Speaker 2: it sounds, is that, yes, we can use technology and
Speaker 2: tools for this, but the beautifulest gift of all is
Speaker 2: that we can use it with our own consciousness. And
Speaker 2: that's what I teach, which is kind of a fresh perspective,
Speaker 2: and we can get into that after. I will go
Speaker 2: back to your question now, Nick Cook, And this goes
Speaker 2: back to what I was saying with my unique perspective.
Speaker 2: I got invited to a secret plasma conference. Robert Temple
Speaker 2: was there. Nick Cook was there an Exeter in England
Speaker 2: over the summer in twenty twenty five, and we were
Speaker 2: all brought together, like twenty of us to present on plasma.
Speaker 2: Jude Curvin was there, Bernard Carr was there, the black
Speaker 2: hole mathematician or astrophysicist, and I basically was there presenting
Speaker 2: on my unique theories in plasma. And we all made
Speaker 2: friends and met there. And Nick was there discussing his
Speaker 2: interface theory that he kind of was inspired by Donald Hoffman,
Speaker 2: I think, in plasma and talking about the orbs and
Speaker 2: what the plasmoids might be as far as interface theory goes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I met.
Speaker 1: Him there, So that's how you got in touch with him. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: so you were at a secret plasma conference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would. I really, I'm just being
Speaker 2: funny like secret, but it was just close to the
Speaker 2: public like I posted about it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it's definitely a secret plasma conference.
Speaker 3: That's what we're gonna refer to it as.
Speaker 1: Yeah and this, and it got exposed on the Hard
Speaker 1: Shrews podcast right here exclusive boom just like that yes,
Speaker 1: that's pretty amazing that that you had, that you got
Speaker 1: involved in that, and.
Speaker 3: That you I do want to explore this aspect.
Speaker 1: Of consciousness connected to it, but I want to build
Speaker 1: up towards that.
Speaker 3: So you believe in the idea of the ether, then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, the like our you know, Aristotle
Speaker 2: spoke about quintessence and Plato and goes beyond before that.
Speaker 1: But yes, yeah, And I guess this is the reason
Speaker 1: why I asked is because that would seem to be
Speaker 1: the explanation for when you say there's this other version
Speaker 1: of plasma that's like, I don't know if you said
Speaker 1: it was less dense or like, you know, yeah, less dense,
Speaker 1: And that can explain it because you know, the idea
Speaker 1: of the ether is this idea that we're in a
Speaker 1: medium yea, And we now know, you know, the ether
Speaker 1: was not in vogue and hasn't been in vogue for
Speaker 1: a while, but we now know that there is this
Speaker 1: virtual particle anti particle pairs that are constantly annihilated that
Speaker 1: we call the zero point energy.
Speaker 3: That's all around us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so.
Speaker 3: One of the things I've learned researching the science physics
Speaker 3: is they keep changing the names of things changed plasmoids
Speaker 3: into field reverse configuration. I don't know if you know this.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, that's like what they're using for fusion.
Speaker 1: They just don't say plasma as they go field reverse configuration.
Speaker 1: But at the middle of it is literally a plasmoid.
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, ball, lightning, you were speaking about I
Speaker 2: saw you speak about that.
Speaker 3: So they do.
Speaker 1: They change the names of all these things all the time,
Speaker 1: and that's why you look back and you go, okay,
Speaker 1: well wait, so there really is this medium and what
Speaker 1: are its properties?
Speaker 3: Like ye, they say, okay, well this.
Speaker 1: Zero point energy. That means that there's these electromagnetic.
Speaker 3: Fields everywhere in the universe even when there's no matter
Speaker 3: or energy.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is a big contradiction. How can that be true?
Speaker 1: What we're told is equals mc squared? So yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no mass, yes, where the field's coming from, and they're
Speaker 1: not mass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Higgs field gives us mass. But my
Speaker 2: thing is I call it. This is way into my theory,
Speaker 2: but I call it four D plasma. You can call
Speaker 2: it the collective unconscious, you can call it what was
Speaker 2: beyond the Higgs field. But the Higgs field is like
Speaker 2: a gateway where this you know, fourth dimensional field, which
Speaker 2: is this is going to sound a lot, but like
Speaker 2: in between us and God or us and our higher
Speaker 2: selves whatever you want to call like three D five D,
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit. But there's this bridge layer.
Speaker 2: There's this middle layer that is an mythology, every religion,
Speaker 2: every tradition ever, the subconscious, even in Carl Jung and
Speaker 2: the collective unconscious, and there's this layer that feeds into
Speaker 2: our reality that seems to give it mass. And that
Speaker 2: layer is simply our thoughts and emotions that are working
Speaker 2: with this non physical plasma that we can call an ether,
Speaker 2: and that all connects it back to consciousness and how
Speaker 2: we can co create reality. We don't create reality, We're
Speaker 2: not God, we don't control it, but we co create
Speaker 2: it with our expanded selves. And that's where I get
Speaker 2: into the philosophy and lose some people, but it really
Speaker 2: makes sense.
Speaker 1: That doesn't really lose me. I think that the spiritual
Speaker 1: side of it is more of like someone's personal belief
Speaker 1: system as opposed to the physical side of You know,
Speaker 1: when you learn that magic is actually real, something like
Speaker 1: the entanglement, Yeah, and you start to say, well, your
Speaker 1: perspective of that concept and what that means.
Speaker 3: It can be different for different people, you know, just
Speaker 3: the same way with religions.
Speaker 2: That's the thinking of it, though. Apply what I'm saying
Speaker 2: is a framework to any belief system. Everything is a story.
Speaker 2: Science is a story. Reality is alive. Science doesn't discover things.
Speaker 2: Things are being created, and we're we're growing and evolving.
Speaker 2: That's why all these new things are happening.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, let me ask you, let me bring up
Speaker 1: another point, and I want to talk more about this
Speaker 1: idea of the ether. Yes, you're probably not familiar, but
Speaker 1: maybe you are any more research. There's a guy named
Speaker 1: Ferris Williams. Have you ever heard of him before?
Speaker 2: No, tell me more about them.
Speaker 1: He is the guy that corrected the nuclear yield calculations
Speaker 1: back the fifties or the sixties.
Speaker 3: But he was a Navy.
Speaker 1: Guy and he decided to do equals mc squared on
Speaker 1: our nuclear weapons and he realized the yields should be
Speaker 1: fifty percent higher than what they've got documented on paper. Okay,
Speaker 1: you would say, okay, well, why would this cause a big,
Speaker 1: big scene?
Speaker 3: Well will cause a big scene because is we're.
Speaker 1: Storing these things somewhere, and if one were to accidentally
Speaker 1: go off, it's gonna be fifty percent higher than what
Speaker 1: we expect is already a thermonuclear deatonation. But I think
Speaker 1: the real underlining subtlety of it is do we understand
Speaker 1: physics correctly?
Speaker 3: Because it turns out Ferris Williams was right.
Speaker 1: They had a tribunal with like the top Navy scientists
Speaker 1: and top brass and they ended up agreeing with him
Speaker 1: in his calculation the way, So this implies that he
Speaker 1: was looking at physics a different way, and in fact
Speaker 1: he attested that after this, Yeah, he no longer he
Speaker 1: thought that all physics might be fundamentally wrong. There might
Speaker 1: be a fundamental flo How could all of these scientists
Speaker 1: get the math wrong when all use a calculator and
Speaker 1: correct them. And I think that's a very interesting case
Speaker 1: because whatever happened to that is technically classified.
Speaker 3: We don't really know from the public perspective. Figure it
Speaker 3: out some sid of physics.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The reason why I bring this up, but he came
Speaker 1: up with his own theory, unification theory, the dynamic theory,
Speaker 1: which is in my opinion, brings the ether back in
Speaker 1: a way where he doesn't say it directly, Okay. Point
Speaker 1: is he says, there's five equations that you have to
Speaker 1: solve in order to figure out the thermodynamic situation of
Speaker 1: a system. And that's like the energy level, Yeah, engine pressure,
Speaker 1: and then the three vectors your three dimensions.
Speaker 3: So essentially, if you.
Speaker 1: Were to boil it down, you would say three spatial
Speaker 1: dimensions up, down, left, right, back and forward. You would
Speaker 1: say you have your time dimension, which is your pressure,
Speaker 1: and then your last one is your energy equation.
Speaker 2: Oh I love it because that's four D to me
Speaker 2: is time at circular time, and five d's energy, which
Speaker 2: is outside of time completely. That's the way I see
Speaker 2: it in my mind.
Speaker 3: And five D is the ether.
Speaker 1: Because now your system could either be this closed system
Speaker 1: that you if you want to draw your boundaries, or
Speaker 1: you could say, you know what your system.
Speaker 3: Is the whole universe. Yes, and he.
Speaker 1: Said, he said, if I need five equations, yeah, solve this.
Speaker 1: There must be five dimensions.
Speaker 2: Yes, Well say about this.
Speaker 3: Yes, I gave you a little thing.
Speaker 1: But the reason why I brought that up, yes, I
Speaker 1: would ask you do you think, because you connect plasma
Speaker 1: and all this to spirituality and consciousness, do you think
Speaker 1: consciousness is a local.
Speaker 3: Phenomenon or a non local phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Do you think that our consciousness like actually resides in
Speaker 1: our body or do you think our consciousness is coming
Speaker 1: from somewhere else?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, there's so much to say here. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'll go back to the five thing moment. I believe
Speaker 2: that our consciousness is more of a system. So I
Speaker 2: believe that there's awareness in this fifth dimensional space. I
Speaker 2: call it awareness, you can call it fifth dimensional consciousness.
Speaker 2: It is our expanded consciousness, our higher self. You know
Speaker 2: that almost is like a pearl that can see the
Speaker 2: rays of every timeline we're on in this third dimension. Right,
Speaker 2: if every choice we make fractals off into a choice,
Speaker 2: it also can see this fourth dimensional space where our
Speaker 2: thoughts and emotions are the acotic realm. So you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes it knows better than us, right, our gut knows
Speaker 2: better than our survival, consciousness, our logic, Which is why
Speaker 2: when we're in a state of play, or in the
Speaker 2: shower or on a road trip, we get those grand
Speaker 2: ideas because we're not in logic, because logic can only create.
Speaker 2: You know, what's happening right now when we open it
Speaker 2: up to receiving from the more, you know, higher spaces.
Speaker 2: That's when we get things that actually change the world.
Speaker 2: But I believe that consciousness is more of a multi
Speaker 2: dimensional perspective. So you know, if I'm in third dimensional
Speaker 2: consciousness in my framework, I'm in survival mode. I'm in logic.
Speaker 2: I'm you know, feedbacking with the plasma of reality, of
Speaker 2: this material reality. If I'm in fourth dimensional consciousness as
Speaker 2: a system perspective, and I'm still in third dimensional physical matter,
Speaker 2: I maybe feedbacking with thoughts and emotions or trauma, you know,
Speaker 2: or working through something in that layer. And then if
Speaker 2: I'm in fifth dimensional consciousness or awareness or you know,
Speaker 2: just straight up being, and I can be like that
Speaker 2: now in my body, I'm in the present, I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I'm in flow, which I can get in a lot.
Speaker 2: I'm not thinking about that guy hasn't texted me back,
Speaker 2: like you know, stuff like that, which we So we
Speaker 2: can exist in all of those and it's the really
Speaker 2: the multi dimensional human and consciousness is just a relationship
Speaker 2: that we're in with plasma in these different states. That's
Speaker 2: what I think.
Speaker 1: So my interpretation of that is that you would say
Speaker 1: it's not local because if you're able to information from
Speaker 1: some external thing. There at least is a non local
Speaker 1: connection to it important.
Speaker 2: Mhm, it's non local, yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's a that's a big revelation.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what Tesla thought. I think I think
Speaker 1: he would have looked at as our bodies as receivers
Speaker 1: of information and that that's, to me, is a huge
Speaker 1: profound thing.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Even Sabine Haustenfelder, she's a famous physicist, was saying the
Speaker 1: other day that.
Speaker 2: I was looking for up the other day.
Speaker 1: She's interesting, but you have to keep in mind that
Speaker 1: a lot of these physicists, they come from a different world,
Speaker 1: you know, than and especially really the older physicists. The
Speaker 1: world that they came from is not the same world
Speaker 1: that we live in today anymore.
Speaker 2: She is multiverse. But that's okay. I still like some
Speaker 2: of the stuff she says.
Speaker 3: M hm, it was Max Plank.
Speaker 1: I think that said that, you know then paraphrasing, but
Speaker 1: that physics, you know, science advances.
Speaker 3: One funeral at a time.
Speaker 1: And the reason why these conversations are important is that
Speaker 1: it's the next generation that will come in with the
Speaker 1: new ideas that will up end the old the previous
Speaker 1: generation and what their thoughts were the non local consciousness
Speaker 1: thing I think feeds directly into this idea of ether,
Speaker 1: and you start to see that you really are building
Speaker 1: a kind of a unified theory about how all of
Speaker 1: these things are connected. It was to be in Hospit
Speaker 1: Teller's video yesterday it said that can any any unified
Speaker 1: theory must include consciousness and be able to explain consciousness. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's tough ass because consciousness is like basically like magic
Speaker 1: for us. So my thought would be that it must
Speaker 1: be connected to quantum entanglement. Would you say, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you connect these ideas together. Do you think
Speaker 1: that they're the same thing, or do that they might
Speaker 1: be connected.
Speaker 3: To some degree?
Speaker 2: Sure, I would say it's a little bit within and
Speaker 2: without quantum. If that makes sense, I would say it
Speaker 2: veers more into what I call quintessence or science that
Speaker 2: hasn't been created yet, which is more like a holistic science.
Speaker 2: It is bringing all the fields together to work more
Speaker 2: with pattern recognition than just pure science. But I believe
Speaker 2: science is wonderful, and I believe that quantum entanglement explains
Speaker 2: a lot of things in their own lens. But I
Speaker 2: think there's more I don't know if there's even a
Speaker 2: language for it. But there's something beyond all of that
Speaker 2: that explains what consciousness is in the realm. But yes,
Speaker 2: I love you know, you know, like superposition, quantum, entanglement.
Speaker 2: I think those things are great shadows to explain what
Speaker 2: is happening. But I think there's more of like a feeling, emotion,
Speaker 2: tangent ability, quotion that we miss. But yeah, I love
Speaker 2: what you said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you explain to me the you mentioned earlier,
Speaker 3: the divine feminine? This is the second time I've heard
Speaker 3: this mention.
Speaker 1: I think the last one was uh, I think it
Speaker 1: was with the Cosmic summit when I when I heard
Speaker 1: this mention the first time, How does the divine first
Speaker 1: of all, maybe explain to me what the divine feminine
Speaker 1: is or from a?
Speaker 3: And then how does this connect the plasma?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so loaded question. I have like two hundred pages
Speaker 2: on this in my book. But there's a there is
Speaker 2: a reason that every secret society that Rosa Cruscians, the Masons,
Speaker 2: like they Jewish mysticism, like there is this secret goddess
Speaker 2: that is woven within everything. Even before Christianity, the Ashira
Speaker 2: polls which were torn down when God had a wife
Speaker 2: that all of a sudden disappeared. When you know Christianity
Speaker 2: was formed. There is this feminine substance to counteract the
Speaker 2: masculine consciousness, which is plasma, which is now you know
Speaker 2: our current name for it. In one hundred years maybe
Speaker 2: it will be something else else. But when you name
Speaker 2: something like plasma and Greek means to mold, right, and
Speaker 2: it also plasja, plas dash ma eth dash her they're
Speaker 2: both feminine, feminine names, right, there's a lot with language
Speaker 2: there and in the in these traditions they worshiped isis Anana, Mary, Magdalene,
Speaker 2: the rose. When you put plat plug plasma into a
Speaker 2: universe model, what do you get? A rose looking galaxy
Speaker 2: or a ballerina skirt. You could look it up on
Speaker 2: I think plasma universe dot com or something. But basically,
Speaker 2: the divine feminine is something within every man, woman, person.
Speaker 2: It is feminine traits of receptivity, of surrender. It is
Speaker 2: your It is every person's magic power. It is learning
Speaker 2: to receive this higher consciousness but also how to softly
Speaker 2: put it out. You know, it is subtle energy. It
Speaker 2: is the mirror. So if if this was a worldI
Speaker 2: just of consciousness, we would all be talking to each other.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Consciousness needs a mirror to experience itself. It needs intelligent
Speaker 2: clay to mold reality, to create. It is our creative
Speaker 2: dance partner in life, and we've forgotten all about it.
Speaker 2: And yes, know thyself is so important, but we have
Speaker 2: to also know this secret substance that we're working with
Speaker 2: or else we're just alone. And that is why we
Speaker 2: all feel alone, like something is missing within us. Every
Speaker 2: human on earth is searching in material things outside of ourselves. Like,
Speaker 2: no matter what scientists you are, the problem we all
Speaker 2: have is really within relationships, right, But the most beautiful
Speaker 2: relationship is with our cosmic mother. It is with plasma.
Speaker 2: It is you know, this magic and mother's milk within us.
Speaker 2: And when we right now in science, we're brushing up
Speaker 2: against this, right. So it's I think a really beautiful
Speaker 2: time to kind of come back to the wholeness of
Speaker 2: who we are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of themes of duality in that.
Speaker 2: And there's about duality too, Yeah, I'll speak.
Speaker 3: It's connected to electromagnetisms.
Speaker 1: They are positive and minus and I could see how
Speaker 1: that could even feed into consciousness.
Speaker 3: Or to you know, male versus female themes as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, and beyond that there is So I'm because I'm
Speaker 2: not like a feminist, I'm, you know, a humanist, but
Speaker 2: I'm all about neutrality. So in this fifth dimensional space
Speaker 2: beyond this right, because the divine feminine is the fourth
Speaker 2: dimensional space. It is suppressed plasma. It is Collie, the
Speaker 2: goddess of creation and destruction. This fifth dimensional space is
Speaker 2: a space of the divine child. It is of neutrality.
Speaker 2: This is the space we're really getting towards. But you
Speaker 2: need the mother and the father to get to that space.
Speaker 2: You can't just go from three D to enlightenment, right,
Speaker 2: You have to go through the darkness. And this is
Speaker 2: in every secret tradition too, that they knew this. You
Speaker 2: have to go to the descent to ascent. You have
Speaker 2: to bend your knees to jump up. So this space
Speaker 2: that I think we're getting into is actually more the
Speaker 2: age of the divine child. It is the age of
Speaker 2: neutrality and of nondualism and beyond dualism and the rainbow
Speaker 2: serpent and all those things.
Speaker 3: Mody Dave would really like you.
Speaker 1: He loves the whole divine feminine and masculine and producing
Speaker 1: the child. There was like his analogy that he said
Speaker 1: on Tim Poole when I.
Speaker 3: Brought him on there.
Speaker 1: Really he was freaking people out at the time. But
Speaker 1: now maybe it's a little bit more accepted.
Speaker 2: I can talk about it in terms too.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and you know this, Actually this makes sense
Speaker 1: to me from a holographic universe perspective because I look
Speaker 1: at this universe as if I were to say, take
Speaker 1: away all this matter that you see, which isn't that
Speaker 1: much actually if you a should do the math, like
Speaker 1: everything is empty. What we're luck with is this substance
Speaker 1: that is we called nothing but energy and matter can
Speaker 1: appear from it out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: And if something's appearing.
Speaker 1: From out of nowhere, then I immediately am going to
Speaker 1: evoke an extra dimension. Like if I were to look
Speaker 1: down on that, I could see what's really going on.
Speaker 1: From the extra dimension, I can see that, oh, this
Speaker 1: is interacting from over here, but I can't see that.
Speaker 3: From within that level of mention.
Speaker 1: Ye, this opens up the idea now from our perspective
Speaker 1: of really just magic being possible, like things could materialize,
Speaker 1: things could just yeah, just we could even make like
Speaker 1: you know, star trek replicator type situation in the future where.
Speaker 3: We build something from the ground up, straight from the scratch.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really, I think the there's a connection between the plasma
Speaker 1: universe model and the electric universe model, which are very
Speaker 1: similar because plasma produces electromagnetic fields. So yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: really even know how they're necessarily different. So if you
Speaker 1: hear people say like, oh, the universe of ninety eight
Speaker 1: percent plasma or whatever, they're usually they're talking about the
Speaker 1: same kind of concept, that is, electromagnetic forces can probably
Speaker 1: explain like everything, or at least the vast majority of
Speaker 1: stuff that we see out there.
Speaker 3: What do you think about UFOs?
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that you asked this. I have so
Speaker 2: much on this. I think maybe you'll like this, maybe
Speaker 2: you won't, who knows. So back to the nuclear stuff plasma, right,
Speaker 2: these plasmoids, just like plasma, is a vehicle for consciousness.
Speaker 2: So plasma once again, is sentient, it is receptive. Consciousness
Speaker 2: can imprint on it just like a sperm and an egg, right,
Speaker 2: but it is not conscious itself, but it can hold consciousness.
Speaker 2: So when plasma has certain properties of self organization, like
Speaker 2: in dusty complex plasma and this, you know potential, but
Speaker 2: they're using nuclear stuff. It can hold memory, yes, but
Speaker 2: it can also at some point hold consciousness. So these
Speaker 2: plasmoids in the sky might be holding a consciousness, which
Speaker 2: are most of the UFOs are made of plasma. They
Speaker 2: might be consciousness remote viewing us from another world. They
Speaker 2: might be our higher selves coming down to just check
Speaker 2: on us. I believe that the real disclosure is that
Speaker 2: it's coming from inside of us, from our higher selves.
Speaker 2: So these because we would have figured it at the
Speaker 2: outbine now otherwise it has been going on for like ever.
Speaker 2: These orbs are just trying to tell us, hey, look
Speaker 2: what we're doing with plasma. We use it with our consciousness.
Speaker 2: We're using it to visit you. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: the looking glass. You can do this too. They're trying
Speaker 2: to remind us of our own inner power. It is
Speaker 2: that simple. And when you take away the trauma and like,
Speaker 2: you know, the abductions and the negative stories about it.
Speaker 2: Because I've I've had horrible experiences with seeing scary things.
Speaker 2: I'm not discounting any of those, but I've also been
Speaker 2: through a lot of trauma and we all have. When
Speaker 2: you start healing your own psyche and you experience these
Speaker 2: same things in a positive way. Most people, I think
Speaker 2: will agree that these things are just trying to tell
Speaker 2: us messages to evolve us, and we need to listen
Speaker 2: to our in ourselves. So yeah, there's some That's what
Speaker 2: I think most of the UFOs are is actually these
Speaker 2: beings viewing us. And then yes, maybe there is some
Speaker 2: sinister thing where like you know, the government are you know,
Speaker 2: bad people have taken these plasmas and you know, maybe
Speaker 2: they're trying to do some you know, brain programs and
Speaker 2: see how people are interacting with them. They're trying to
Speaker 2: hijack what's naturally happening. But if you're tuned in your body,
Speaker 2: you can tell the organic from the inorganic experience. In
Speaker 2: my opinion, that's what I think.
Speaker 1: Let me play a really cool video I want to
Speaker 1: play here, so if people are just listening, they can
Speaker 1: come check and watch on this on the YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: But it's called I just call it Plasma in Space.
Speaker 3: This is a video. I'm gonna mute it.
Speaker 1: It's in Russian anyway, they can't hear. That's why I
Speaker 1: put sound over it. Yeah, yeah, this is this is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite videos. It's in Russian. It's got
Speaker 1: English subtitles, but it shows dusty plasma in zero G.
Speaker 1: So that's what you're looking at here, and you can
Speaker 1: see self organizational properties of it immediately. I mean almost
Speaker 1: looks like a little squid with these tendrils coming out
Speaker 1: of it. And so they started experimenting with plasma in
Speaker 1: space and you start to see all of these phenomenon
Speaker 1: that we recognize. First just the self organizational properties of it.
Speaker 1: And then here in a little bit you'll start to
Speaker 1: see that what they did was suddenly like a void.
Speaker 1: It begins to form when they didn't expect it, which
Speaker 1: would represent like a black hole in galactic astronomy. And
Speaker 1: then in addition to that, you'll also see and so
Speaker 1: you see this superstructure form. Is what you're seeing right here,
Speaker 1: is these superstructures begin to form, or you see this
Speaker 1: organization that you wouldn't normally expect. You see black holes form,
Speaker 1: you will see and so there's the black hole that
Speaker 1: you can just see, like there's this void just forms
Speaker 1: and this is all just an electrostatic electromagnetic force causing this.
Speaker 3: I mean, look how clear that void is right there.
Speaker 3: It's just weird. You can see the flow entirely around it.
Speaker 2: Every forest has a void.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, every towrust has a void.
Speaker 1: Yes, And then you'll also see it can explain galactic formation.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned dark energy, Well, dark matter is another.
Speaker 3: One of those things.
Speaker 1: And even though the Higgs field explains some something that
Speaker 1: doesn't explain everything about mass, and so here you can
Speaker 1: see this is actually just small scale dusty plasmas looks
Speaker 1: just like a galaxy. And the thing about galaxy formation,
Speaker 1: they say, well, the galaxy the stars at the edges
Speaker 1: of the galaxies are moving too fast. They should be
Speaker 1: they're moving too slow.
Speaker 3: They should be.
Speaker 1: Moving faster relative to the ones of the center. Uh
Speaker 1: huh uh and so uh and so what you see
Speaker 1: here is this explains why is that it's really just
Speaker 1: electromagnetic forces spinning around the center point which allows those
Speaker 1: stars to move so quickly at the edges. So that
Speaker 1: one video that I just thought was really neat when
Speaker 1: it comes to how plasma kind of works in general plasma.
Speaker 1: The other thing I want to show, I think if
Speaker 1: I have I have.
Speaker 2: Another video while you're looking for this link. Plat when
Speaker 2: people meditate and they see themselves as crystal or crystal
Speaker 2: beans or like shining skin. The shining that that's I mean,
Speaker 2: we're literally on some level made of crystal, right, So
Speaker 2: it's the plasma crystal thing is interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The other.
Speaker 1: The other video I was going to show is this
Speaker 1: one from I have to use a news nation link.
Speaker 3: It looks like from Congressman Burliston.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you had seen the video of
Speaker 1: this UFO that was like here, I think I have
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 3: We'll use this readily. Here we go.
Speaker 2: Plasma can shape shift to have you looked into the
Speaker 2: Jillian model.
Speaker 3: I doesn't sound familiar, but this I kind of have.
Speaker 1: I just kind of spoiled it here. But so my
Speaker 1: thought is this is plasma. But I want to know
Speaker 1: what your thought is. This is a video the Congressman
Speaker 1: bur Liston showed at one of those UFO hearings, not
Speaker 1: even that long ago, a couple of months ago. So
Speaker 1: here we are, there's an object. This object suddenly any
Speaker 1: second now mm hmm, it's gonna get hit by something.
Speaker 1: So we got his object flow into this sky. We
Speaker 1: have some kind of flear camera that's staring at it.
Speaker 3: This must be the longer extended version of it, so.
Speaker 1: Watching it also it gets hit it gets hit and
Speaker 1: you see these little things I'm off of. It keeps
Speaker 1: going and so you know, de Barbers tried to say
Speaker 1: that this is like parallax or something, but I mean,
Speaker 1: look at what you're I mean, clearly that's moving across.
Speaker 2: No less plasma, think of flubber, think of like neuturistic technology. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it all is sentient, holds memory so it
Speaker 2: can shape shift, and magnetic recombination. It has a lot
Speaker 2: of characteristics in plasma.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So for me, the part it gets hit, let's just
Speaker 1: go show the part where it gets hit right here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to me, this had to be pleasant because if this
Speaker 1: was like a solid object, this should just follow the
Speaker 1: ground like this should immediately hit the water right there.
Speaker 1: Instead just keeps floating and even the other pieces that
Speaker 1: break off keep floating. People dress this as a balloon
Speaker 1: or something like. No, to me, that shows the self
Speaker 1: organizational prices.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that? Butvie, have you ever
Speaker 3: seen that before?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I mean I don't think so maybe I have.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I have the worst memory, but speaking of memory and plasma,
Speaker 2: I have the worst one. But funny enough with that,
Speaker 2: if you look up the Julium model. I think you
Speaker 2: will love this j E L L I U M.
Speaker 2: Lane google it right really quick. So one wonderful explanation
Speaker 2: is when these things do fly to fall to the ground,
Speaker 2: why they might look like metal is because I believe
Speaker 2: that these are ran by If these are ran by
Speaker 2: higher consciousness beings, when they when the beings are no
Speaker 2: longer working that plasma or remote viewing from that plasma,
Speaker 2: it's going to turn into a metal and materialize when
Speaker 2: it hits the ground because you don't have that higher
Speaker 2: consciousness that knows how to work with it. And in
Speaker 2: the Julia model, metal is very similar to plasma, so
Speaker 2: much so that Lockheed Martin has patents and people that
Speaker 2: train these people who are flying these kind of shape
Speaker 2: shifting metal planes because their consciousness can interact with the planes.
Speaker 2: So basically, if if the astronauts and plane people have
Speaker 2: too much emotions going on, they're worried that it could
Speaker 2: take down the plane. So they know that our consciousness
Speaker 2: affects metal and matter in these weird plasmatic ways.
Speaker 1: And there's you know, plasma is actually closer to metal
Speaker 1: than what people think. The yeah thing I learned recently
Speaker 1: was that because when we define these things, we're really
Speaker 1: talking about how the particles are actually able to move
Speaker 1: or were not able to move, you know, solid versus gas,
Speaker 1: versus liquid versus plasma, And the feature of plasma is
Speaker 1: that the electrons are moving freely. They've created a soup
Speaker 1: in fact, where the electrons and metal, actually the in
Speaker 1: metal electrons actually move relatively freely as well, so to
Speaker 1: something they share that property, So you could there's to me,
Speaker 1: I doesn't have any problem. Imagine a phase transition where
Speaker 1: a metal transitions between plasma and a metal state.
Speaker 3: I think that's really possible.
Speaker 1: And so people they say, oh, what about the buga
Speaker 1: sphere and all this. I mean, in theory, I can
Speaker 1: imagine there being a plasma ball that turns into a
Speaker 1: metal ball after it it's deactivated or what have you.
Speaker 1: But I don't know until I see it myself. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be hard to you know, fully grasp.
Speaker 2: Can I say? I'm noticing right now? Just with your background,
Speaker 2: are those Pokemon cards?
Speaker 1: These These are not my brother taught me. My nephew
Speaker 1: taught me play Pokemon cards.
Speaker 3: Like recently, Like I'm not wood.
Speaker 1: Tier, you know, I might be higher than Rush here
Speaker 1: at this point, like maybe Bronze, I was just.
Speaker 2: Thinking PoCA balls and orbs and how they have you know,
Speaker 2: these mythological creatures in them. It just reminds me of
Speaker 2: these or like Fantastic Planet, the movie where the aliens
Speaker 2: are in little orbs. It's just like, you know, it
Speaker 2: kind of foreshadows what we're saying.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but consciously I wanted to expand on the
Speaker 1: consciousness thing that you said, because this is something that's
Speaker 1: come up with the UFO Lower a lot, and this
Speaker 1: is one that I've struggled with personally because honestly, for
Speaker 1: the people out there, I'm I'm more on the skeptic
Speaker 1: debunker side than I am on the believer side, even
Speaker 1: though I say some of the craziest stuff ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's hard for me to wrap.
Speaker 1: My brain around like, hey, yeah, we can use our
Speaker 1: minds and control these orbs and fly them around. It's
Speaker 1: not beyond the realm of possibility, yea, Because I mean
Speaker 1: people have mindships in their head right now and they're
Speaker 1: controlling playing video games with mind.
Speaker 3: Ships in their brain.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it just seems difficult to grasp because
Speaker 1: I guess, in my perspective would say, why not just
Speaker 1: have a computer do that like the orbs in them
Speaker 1: a Street seven zero video. I don't need a human
Speaker 1: to be doing a mind link to make that happen.
Speaker 1: I can just have like AI can do that, you know.
Speaker 1: So yes, it's not that I don't think it's possible.
Speaker 1: I just think like, hmmm, why would I bother doing that?
Speaker 3: Or yeah, you know. And this was we were talking
Speaker 3: about this on Space last night.
Speaker 1: Actually we were talking about how like in the the
Speaker 1: Venezuelan raid that just happened. The rumor is there was
Speaker 1: some advanced technology it was used, and we had drones
Speaker 1: that were just anil people. And somebody brought up like,
Speaker 1: imagine like the super operator. The super operator's controlling like
Speaker 1: twelve drones at once, you know, and they've got their screens,
Speaker 1: they like, having a neural interface would be super And
Speaker 1: I just said, well, why have an operator at all?
Speaker 3: Couldn't you just have like the AI.
Speaker 1: Program that in and be like press go and then
Speaker 1: it just wipes people up.
Speaker 2: I wonder I know if you saw the institute on
Speaker 2: MGM or Amazon, but it has to do what they
Speaker 2: put a battery of like ten kids together who have telekinesis,
Speaker 2: and they create this battery where they you know, take
Speaker 2: someone over and almost like kill them, like with remote viewing,
Speaker 2: and it's like this weird thing, but I think it
Speaker 2: might have something to do with like the natural radiant
Speaker 2: energy that a human can harness versus maybe AI cannot
Speaker 2: at this point in time. Maybe that can happen in
Speaker 2: the future. But as far as like when I when
Speaker 2: I think of why we would use AI versus US,
Speaker 2: and this is just with like remote viewing or like
Speaker 2: you know, why would these beings view us and without
Speaker 2: you know, and not use technology kind of goes back
Speaker 2: to the feeling emotion. I was saying. I don't know
Speaker 2: about you, but like when I've had these experiences where
Speaker 2: I can view other things, the what changes me is
Speaker 2: the feelings and emotions I get. So that's probably why
Speaker 2: these beings are actually physically tangibly connecting in some way,
Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. But as far as like
Speaker 2: you know, military uses that, yeah, I don't know why
Speaker 2: you would. Person So do you.
Speaker 3: Think there's aliens out there? Do you think it's just
Speaker 3: plasma orbs?
Speaker 2: No, I think it's not explainable, And I think it
Speaker 2: more is about like I think there's tons of things
Speaker 2: out there, other beings of consciousness. Is it parts of
Speaker 2: ourself right in Carl Jung's theory, is it higher dimensional beings?
Speaker 2: Is it our higher selves? I call it our future ancestors.
Speaker 2: I think we're all a big freakin' mefed up family.
Speaker 2: And I don't think it matters who's visiting us. I mean, yes,
Speaker 2: like it could be a you know, a traumatic moment
Speaker 2: that's visiting us, and it's like a cryptid, But really
Speaker 2: we're focused on the cryptid and we write this whole
Speaker 2: book about cryptids when really it's like, you know that
Speaker 2: we were like touched or like I don't want six
Speaker 2: then on here that we were like I don't know,
Speaker 2: traumatized as a child. And I think Carl Jung says
Speaker 2: this too, like man's biggest fears facing hisself. I think
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of us just running around scared, not
Speaker 2: wanting to face ourselves, when really it doesn't matter what
Speaker 2: it is. It's like what meaning do we want to
Speaker 2: make and what relationship do we want to have with
Speaker 2: this and reaction? And then when we do learn from
Speaker 2: these experiences, what actually do we want to implement as
Speaker 2: change in our choices as human beings, Like we all
Speaker 2: need to grow up and face ourselves and then that's
Speaker 2: when magic comes into play, because actually, the more you
Speaker 2: focus on reality and what's really happening within you and
Speaker 2: your psyche, you can actually start to change reality. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I think some of this stuff is distractions that.
Speaker 3: Keeps us powered. Sorry, what was the last thing you said.
Speaker 2: That keep us disempowered? Like, if we're so focused on aliens,
Speaker 2: we're never going to get our own magic powers back.
Speaker 1: It's like, uh, well, I don't know what movie that
Speaker 1: was where they take your powers and they like hide
Speaker 1: it in a tool or whatever. It's probably in much
Speaker 1: of movies and books. But that was my ast questions.
Speaker 3: So what do you think is going on with the
Speaker 3: public discline? I mean, what are your opinion.
Speaker 1: On these people that are on the mainstream channels that
Speaker 1: are talking about we got crash retrievals.
Speaker 3: And alien bodies?
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you swear that with your perspective
Speaker 1: of plasma universe?
Speaker 2: Yeah, people might hate me for this one, but I
Speaker 2: just have to tell what I really feel. I feel
Speaker 2: it's a really big distraction. I think it's cool. I
Speaker 2: think it's been going on for seventy years, and it's
Speaker 2: the same narrative. And I would question any mainstream narrative
Speaker 2: like disclosures mainstream now, like I question that what's not
Speaker 2: mainstream is that we should listen to our inner selves
Speaker 2: and our higher selves, that it's more about like our
Speaker 2: magic powers. But that's not as cool or sexy for
Speaker 2: the news. So here we are just you know, talking
Speaker 2: about this other stuff. I am not saying it's all fake.
Speaker 2: I cannot prove that. And I do think that a
Speaker 2: lot of this is real, right, Like I do think
Speaker 2: there are crashes, and I'm sure there are retrieval Like
Speaker 2: I'm not discounting it. I'm just saying, like there's a
Speaker 2: huge part to the story that's not being told. And
Speaker 2: I like to look in those crevices of like what
Speaker 2: are people not saying, like because if things were really
Speaker 2: being disclosed or leaked, why don't we know the nuclear codes?
Speaker 2: Like why does only certain things get leaked? Like I
Speaker 2: just I'm actually a skeptic and I question everything. I
Speaker 2: always question one is not being said, but just to
Speaker 2: listen to ourselves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and weirdly, if you I asked the same question,
Speaker 1: and I would say you know, you see the people
Speaker 1: on there, people that I talked about are like Eric Davis,
Speaker 1: how put off the engineers.
Speaker 3: Of talking about the UFO stuff.
Speaker 1: And I say, what are they not saying? Well, I
Speaker 1: just go look at their scientific papers. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what have you been writing that you don't say to
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan. Yeah, it's like all plasma stuff and like
Speaker 1: extracted energy and wormholes and warp drives, a neutronic fusion.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what the hell a neutronic fusion
Speaker 1: meant a couple of years ago, and then I'm seeing
Speaker 1: them writing papers about it, and I'm like, Okay, maybe
Speaker 1: this is something we should look at it. Sure enough,
Speaker 1: you dig it and you're like, oh, it's all about plasma.
Speaker 2: It's all about plasma. I have the Academia app on
Speaker 2: my phone just to look up stuff like that. That's
Speaker 2: where the real news is.
Speaker 1: I can't let you flex me too much. You're like
Speaker 1: showing all your books off. So I got I got
Speaker 1: a little book here too. I don't have that one science.
Speaker 1: This is Mark Millis and Eric Davis, so pul science.
Speaker 1: In their late nineties, there was something called the Breakthrough
Speaker 1: Physics Propulsion Project that Mark Millis was the leader of
Speaker 1: for NASA, and it pulled in Eric Davis hal put Off.
Speaker 1: I think George Miley was a part of it, John Kramer,
Speaker 1: several other engineers, and they were looking at what is
Speaker 1: the next evolution of breakthrough physics, which includes they looked
Speaker 1: at ideas like the ether, warp drives, wormholes and the
Speaker 1: things that I've been mentioning, and they systematically like eliminate
Speaker 1: things that can't work from a physics perspective and things
Speaker 1: that can work. And I think people will be surprised
Speaker 1: to see the results. And what it takes is that
Speaker 1: I think you're going to find that plasma is the
Speaker 1: enabler of a lot of these types of effects because
Speaker 1: it goes to the root code, the root code of
Speaker 1: the universe is that the electromagnetism of plasma made interact.
Speaker 3: With that base reality.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't necessarily know how to describe it, like
Speaker 1: maybe it's I think my buddy Bob Green you would
Speaker 1: say something about like the relic neutrinos maybe are.
Speaker 2: Whatrins Neutrino's was the secret I'll talk about it at
Speaker 2: a later date.
Speaker 1: Talk about it now, because I was gonna ask you
Speaker 1: if the neutrinos what you would imagine to be like
Speaker 1: the ether or whatever.
Speaker 2: I didn't talk about this in my first book for
Speaker 2: many reasons. I eventually in the future will talk more
Speaker 2: about this, but I'm still working on some things with it.
Speaker 2: But one thing when neutrinos will just pause that everyone
Speaker 2: to start looking up. It's there are three flavors and neutrinos,
Speaker 2: and they kind of correlate with the roigbiv And if
Speaker 2: we were on a holographic screen and they were made
Speaker 2: of three flavors of ROIGBIV, they might have something to
Speaker 2: do with creating reality and plasma technology. In the future,
Speaker 2: I would look into neutrinos and I'll share more at
Speaker 2: a later date. But the yeah, there's a lot there.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I know. This information just kind
Speaker 2: of comes through me, but I wanted to share, Say Nelson,
Speaker 2: what you just said, and I oh, well, oh oh.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: I think the reason I can tell the truth about
Speaker 2: a lot of this is I have never been contracted
Speaker 2: by the government. I don't work with anyone. I am
Speaker 2: on my own here. I am not sworn to any secrecy,
Speaker 2: and I think that I'm in the perfect time to
Speaker 2: do it. I don't think, you know, I think I'm safe.
Speaker 2: I think I'm fine, and I think that all this
Speaker 2: stuff is coming out anyway, and just so happens. I
Speaker 2: never signed a contract that I couldn't say anything. So
Speaker 2: I'm in a unique position where I'm not in any
Speaker 2: dogma of religion or science or spirituality, and I'm just
Speaker 2: sharing I seek the truth and I'm sharing that where
Speaker 2: some of these people like you speak of get interviewed,
Speaker 2: but there's stuff they can't say because they've been paid.
Speaker 2: And I make my money on my own, thank you
Speaker 2: very much, so I can say whatever I want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, same with me.
Speaker 1: I think there's a certain freedom that comes with that
Speaker 1: that is liberating.
Speaker 3: You know, you can say whatever you want.
Speaker 1: But this is a part too that a lot of
Speaker 1: people struggle with this idea that could the government keep
Speaker 1: a secret?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And I go, well, how do you think they kept
Speaker 1: nukessecret for last sixty seventy years? I mean, stop nuclear
Speaker 1: testing in the sixties. What do you think we've been doing.
Speaker 1: You think we just stopped nuclear science too? No, but
Speaker 1: it's been we don't know anything about it. Turns out
Speaker 1: this is another thing you probably familiar with maybe not though,
Speaker 1: is that there was this idea of non fission ignition.
Speaker 1: What this means is in a thermo nuclear weapon, you
Speaker 1: take the A bomb, which is like what we dropped
Speaker 1: on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, big boom, and the A bomb
Speaker 1: detonates a fusion bomb. The fusion bombs in the middle
Speaker 1: of it, and the fusion bomb needs the A bomb
Speaker 1: to detonate it to get this this detonation to occur.
Speaker 1: So what they said was, well, we want to get
Speaker 1: rid of the A bomb part of it. We don't
Speaker 1: want that big A bomb part. We want to make
Speaker 1: just the fusion part called the clean.
Speaker 3: Fusion bomb, okay. And you know what they do to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 1: One of the ideas is you make an electric detonator
Speaker 1: using plasma. The idea would be used plasma because plasma's
Speaker 1: not going to create a big boom, but it's still
Speaker 1: got this electric like a lightning bolt, and kind of
Speaker 1: the lightning bolts converge on your fusion target. And now
Speaker 1: you have a clean fusion bomb that doesn't necessarily release
Speaker 1: the big boom. It just does whatever a fusion bomb does,
Speaker 1: which materialize.
Speaker 3: This is the question I asked people.
Speaker 1: This is just like, if you want to know how
Speaker 1: brainwashed we are, what does a fusion bomb do? Anybody
Speaker 1: in the world know what a fusion bomb does because
Speaker 1: we the last nuclear weapon we tested was in.
Speaker 3: The sixties, huh and that's been it.
Speaker 1: We've never seen one ever since then. And I think
Speaker 1: people's mind would just be like, well, it's just like
Speaker 1: an like the A bomb, right, why is it like
Speaker 1: the A bomb? Because we say, so, what if it's
Speaker 1: a release of what would a release of pure electricity
Speaker 1: look like?
Speaker 2: Interasting that I'm going to look that up in.
Speaker 1: My own fun for your next book to which would
Speaker 1: be to look up the connection between look up non
Speaker 1: FISHI and ignition, and it's all about plasma detonated a
Speaker 1: fusion bomb, and that maybe something to look up because
Speaker 1: people should be asking that question, like hey, what does
Speaker 1: the fusion mommy or a thermonuclear repond even look like?
Speaker 3: Today?
Speaker 2: They should be You just actually really helped me out there,
Speaker 2: because so I had this I do not like the
Speaker 2: word channeling, but I had this thought. Right, I have
Speaker 2: this weird distaste for fusion and fission and people are like, no,
Speaker 2: it's safe, Like you know, you're talking about fusion's not
Speaker 2: safe like fish and safe. And then of course there's
Speaker 2: cold fusion, right, which is something different. But I think
Speaker 2: they spoke about this in fiosity too. But I just
Speaker 2: think that if we I know this is gonna sound funny,
Speaker 2: but if we more of people who are working with
Speaker 2: plasma first heal their own consciousness and are in their
Speaker 2: hearts more. It's almost like the Unicorn mythology, where the
Speaker 2: unicorn reveals her secrets to a pure maiden. A pure
Speaker 2: maiden is not a virgin. A pure maiden is someone
Speaker 2: who's authentic and in their heart energy and has pure intentions.
Speaker 2: And I think if we were to have those when
Speaker 2: we're creating with this plasma, plasma will reveal itself just
Speaker 2: like the unicorn and revealed its magic in ways that
Speaker 2: are more sustainable and work with our earth and are
Speaker 2: not going could hurt us all. And it has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with either fusion or fission. And I might
Speaker 2: look more into this in the future. But there's something
Speaker 2: else that we're missing. There's a third thing. There's always
Speaker 2: a third thing speaking about duality. If we're looking at
Speaker 2: these things, it's not there. It's just like black magic.
Speaker 2: Look here, and I'm going to do this over here.
Speaker 2: There's something we're not looking at, and I you know,
Speaker 2: that's something else I'm looking into right now. Is a
Speaker 2: third third thing.
Speaker 3: I would recommend checking a neutronic fusion out.
Speaker 1: The difference between all those things that you mentioned is
Speaker 1: at first glance confusing, and when you start to dig
Speaker 1: into it, you realize that a neutronic fusion is like
Speaker 1: the thing that when we were kids that they would
Speaker 1: imagine like Jetson's energy being, which is like splitting the
Speaker 1: atom and you're pulling the electricity directly from it as
Speaker 1: opposed to doing a whole bunch more steps. And with fusion,
Speaker 1: there is no radiation re least with a neutronic fusion
Speaker 1: at least versus and fishing is the one where you
Speaker 1: would have radiation need all this radiation shielding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there is.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing, Like, that's another thing that
Speaker 1: you bring up, is like, is there this third thing
Speaker 1: we always think of like hot fusion, the token mac reactors,
Speaker 1: we think of nuclear energy, but we never even knew
Speaker 1: about this other these advanced a neutronic fusion fuels that
Speaker 1: you can use that have no byproduct, no negative byproducts whatsoever.
Speaker 1: They just don't even tell you about that, but you'll
Speaker 1: see references to it when you start looking in the
Speaker 1: literature for clean fusion and you're like, oh, wait, that's
Speaker 1: what that was. So to kind of round this out
Speaker 1: this conversation, here's what I would ask you. This is
Speaker 1: what I like to ask people, because people ask me
Speaker 1: this question, is that you know, what can we learn
Speaker 1: from plasma to expand ourselves?
Speaker 3: And why? Why is this important? Like why is this
Speaker 3: understanding of plasma, the universe, et cetera. Why does this
Speaker 3: matter for our day to day lives.
Speaker 2: There's so many reasons. I could give a hundred, but
Speaker 2: I think the most important right now is it is
Speaker 2: directly linked to what we're missing as a society. And
Speaker 2: it's very simple.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me of the Star and the
Speaker 2: Fool and Tarot cards, even though I don't really know
Speaker 2: the much about Tarot cards. It is knowing your power
Speaker 2: and being yourself. It is literally that simple. It is
Speaker 2: remembering who you are, learning to be yourself again authentically
Speaker 2: without fear of what anyone's thinking. And funny enough, that
Speaker 2: directly links to plasma because and I go into my
Speaker 2: book about this plasma think of thermodynamics, you become more
Speaker 2: dense and wet to this plasma field. The more your
Speaker 2: self you are, the more you're feeling emotions and it
Speaker 2: can and the more you're coherent, the more you can
Speaker 2: actually work with plasma to create reality in beneficial ways
Speaker 2: you can live your dream life. And the more you
Speaker 2: also know about how plasma works in science and the
Speaker 2: dynamics of plasma, the more you'll actually learn that you
Speaker 2: cannot force reality to happen. But there is a certain
Speaker 2: surrendered I'm just going to say it. This is more philosophical,
Speaker 2: but it all will connect if you look up plasma
Speaker 2: and read my book as well. It is not about
Speaker 2: willing something to happen. It is about knowing the feelings
Speaker 2: you want for your future and following that feeling and yes,
Speaker 2: setting intentions, but then letting plasma or this mystery bring
Speaker 2: things to you in a way you could have never
Speaker 2: imagined beyond your wildest dreams. It is like anyone you've
Speaker 2: gotten in a relationship with you didn't just like will
Speaker 2: them into existence like you you were when the best
Speaker 2: things happen to us in life. It is when we're
Speaker 2: just being ourselves and things just will randomly come to us.
Speaker 2: That is the magic we're all missing, and it has
Speaker 2: all to do with plasma. Even though this might not
Speaker 2: make sense.
Speaker 1: Right now, so you have a you think that we're
Speaker 1: gonna make it then, because here's my problem. I look
Speaker 1: at this technology, this stuff, and more I've learned about it,
Speaker 1: it seems like it's unlimited potential.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you spoke about it is basically
Speaker 3: like magic, you know.
Speaker 1: To me, So I look at it, I go, I
Speaker 1: don't know if we're ready for this, And ultimately I go,
Speaker 1: I feel like we're going.
Speaker 3: To destroy ourselves with this? Do you at all? No?
Speaker 2: I'll say why though? So Buckminster Fuller is a great
Speaker 2: quote that we're inventing all the right technology for the
Speaker 2: wrong reasons. I think, as long I do hope for
Speaker 2: humanity that as long as we all start to work
Speaker 2: on ourselves and get therapy and stuff, that we will
Speaker 2: not destroy ourselves. I think that we dream up our future.
Speaker 2: And I'm optimistic because if we're pessimistic, we'll dream up
Speaker 2: that future. So funny enough, the more of us that
Speaker 2: can create and imagine a better future, that imagining things
Speaker 2: is what brings things into existence. It's just like thinking
Speaker 2: something you kind of have always wanted and then the
Speaker 2: person calls you the next day. It's like, whatever we
Speaker 2: think comes true, it's going to make it come true.
Speaker 2: More So, I'm in the school of thought, not of
Speaker 2: toxic positivity. I hate that I have dark emotions all
Speaker 2: the time, but of dreaming up a more positive future
Speaker 2: by believing in humanity and ours else. Yes, there are
Speaker 2: very evil people out there, but evil's just fear. Evil's
Speaker 2: human created. So I am. My goal is to actually
Speaker 2: get in the rooms with these powerful people and remind
Speaker 2: them who they are. And I think that the best
Speaker 2: way to get you know, the best way to make
Speaker 2: change is not to demonize these people that are killing
Speaker 2: the world right now, and it's not to befriend them either,
Speaker 2: but it's to actually create change in them. And how
Speaker 2: do we create real change in these people? And that
Speaker 2: is what my goal is. But I have faith. I'm
Speaker 2: an optimistic futurist all the way. And the most important
Speaker 2: thing to learn about plasma that I'm which would go
Speaker 2: good with your audiences simply if you learn about plasma
Speaker 2: and science and the dynamics of how plasma works and
Speaker 2: dusty complex plasma with electromagnetism. You can learn the magic
Speaker 2: of how consciousness works with this more etheric plasma.
Speaker 1: Well, well, I'm not sure I'm as optimistic as you
Speaker 1: because I watch Ghostbusters and Staypoff Marshall and Man destroys
Speaker 1: everybody at the end when they started thinking about this,
Speaker 1: I was one that screws it up for everybody else.
Speaker 2: But that's what they're doing with a lot of like media.
Speaker 2: Is there. That's part of like the fear right that
Speaker 2: they're creating these fearful futures. But if we look more
Speaker 2: into like solar punk and optimistic futurism, and and there's
Speaker 2: even hints in all these movies the evil man when
Speaker 2: he's trying to use the machine, he always gets killed
Speaker 2: before he can use this like magic machine. And it's
Speaker 2: always the purity, the pure person of heart that can
Speaker 2: you know, use these machines. So I feel like love
Speaker 2: always prevails, but it doesn't mean bad things won't happen.
Speaker 1: Well, I like your view, Dana, I appreciate it, and
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed this conversation. So go ahead and shout out
Speaker 1: you know your book and where people can find you,
Speaker 1: because this has been really enlightening.
Speaker 2: Thank you Plasma, a new force, plasma consciousness and a
Speaker 2: new human potential. It is on Amazon. I sell a
Speaker 2: few sign books on my website Dana Kipple dot com
Speaker 2: and yes it was just Graham Hancock's book of the
Speaker 2: Month for uh January. And then I also teach magic
Speaker 2: classes the science of higher consciousness and I'm going to
Speaker 2: be gained into like edge physics and hinge physics and
Speaker 2: topology and how that actually relates to our mental health
Speaker 2: and plasma and consciousness. I teach just a bunch of
Speaker 2: random stuff on there, and that is on my Instagram
Speaker 2: Danta dot the Alien, and the link in my bio
Speaker 2: it is called a stand store, so you can or
Speaker 2: on my TikTok at Dana Kipple or my YouTube at
Speaker 2: Plasma Intelligence, so all the links are there.
Speaker 3: Awesome, Well, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to have you come back another time,
Speaker 1: maybe on one of my live stream podcasts and talk more.
Speaker 3: About plasma stuff. So yeah, it's a great day.
Speaker 1: And I guys, I hope you enjoyed this hard Shrews
Speaker 1: podcast with Dana Kibble. Check her content out, follow her
Speaker 1: on social media. Guys, catch us next time.
Speaker 3: Peace out, everybody,