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Speaker 3: Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's
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Speaker 3: to tonight's guest joining us from El Paso, Texas. It's Kara. Kara,
Speaker 3: how are you doing today?
Speaker 1: I'm good? How are you?
Speaker 3: We are doing great and it's a pleasure to have
Speaker 3: you on tonight, and I thank you for your time
Speaker 3: and being willing to share your story. So please do
Speaker 3: take the time out and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 1: Okay, my name is Kara. I am forty four years old,
Speaker 1: born on October thirteenth. You recently talked to somebody about
Speaker 1: that date that just popped in my head, and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I got to check that out too,
Speaker 1: because you did say AOC that was a little disappointing.
Speaker 3: Well, my wife's birthday is Hillary Clinton's birthday, so there
Speaker 3: you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm a single parent. I have a fourteen
Speaker 1: year old son. I grew up in all Pass so
Speaker 1: I wasn't actually born here, but I grew up here
Speaker 1: and lived here till high school. I moved away for
Speaker 1: ten years and then ended up back here. But while
Speaker 1: I was growing up, I grew up Methodist. We went
Speaker 1: to church every Sunday, and I did Confirmation at the
Speaker 1: confirmation age. I was in the youth group, youth choir
Speaker 1: actually went on a youth trip. And I remember after
Speaker 1: one of my youth trips, I got home and I
Speaker 1: was talking to my parents in their room. I'm an child,
Speaker 1: It's just me and my parents, and I was telling
Speaker 1: them about I was asking about my friends, you know,
Speaker 1: that didn't go to church or weren't part of the
Speaker 1: youth group. And I said, you know, well, if they
Speaker 1: don't believe in God, if they don't accept Jesus into
Speaker 1: their heart, that means, you know, they're going to hell.
Speaker 1: But you know is that that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: And I was asking them all these questions and I
Speaker 1: guess I kind of worried them a little bit, you know.
Speaker 1: They I guess they didn't want me to think that way.
Speaker 1: So we kind of stopped going to church. This is
Speaker 1: probably I want to say, middle school, early high school.
Speaker 1: So we stopped going as much. They kind of decided
Speaker 1: to pull back a little. Maybe they thought I was
Speaker 1: I don't know what that thought they thought in deep
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not the wrong way to think, you know,
Speaker 1: now that I'm older, I understand, but thinking back, I
Speaker 1: think that freaks them out a little bit. And so
Speaker 1: we stopped going to church as much. I high school
Speaker 1: was I mean, I was good in high school, but
Speaker 1: I did drink in high school, and college had plenty
Speaker 1: of access drinking, you could say, in those years, early twenties.
Speaker 1: I went to college in Fort Worth. Actually you said
Speaker 1: you lived near Laco.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was about two hours south of Fort Worth.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I did go to TCU.
Speaker 3: Go there, you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a Christian school, you know, but it
Speaker 1: really wasn't a Christian school. I mean, all you had
Speaker 1: to do was take you know, either a Bible class
Speaker 1: or a World religion class. It wasn't like it wasn't
Speaker 1: really like Christianity was a part of the school.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't like you know many of our children
Speaker 3: who go to private Christian schools, like where every Wednesday
Speaker 3: there's actual chapel that didn't include like chapel as part
Speaker 3: of your weekly Uh no, really interesting.
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean it was just like any other college. Really.
Speaker 1: I would say sororities, which you know, I was part
Speaker 1: of a sorority, did all that. I played sports in
Speaker 1: high school. But you know, college was just I didn't
Speaker 1: know what I wanted to do in college. I had
Speaker 1: no idea. I ended up doing art. I ended up
Speaker 1: getting a degree in graphic design actually, and when I graduated,
Speaker 1: there really weren't any jobs. It was two thousand and
Speaker 1: two in the job market was really bad. I think
Speaker 1: I sent out one hundred resumes, couldn't find a job,
Speaker 1: and ended up randomly moving to northern New Mexico with
Speaker 1: my boyfriend at the time. We just three of us
Speaker 1: just up and decided to move to northern New Mexico
Speaker 1: and see what was going on over there. And it
Speaker 1: was beautiful, beautiful place. It made me fall in love
Speaker 1: with four seasons, with snow, with everything nature. I did
Speaker 1: photography over there, I am, you know, kind of. I
Speaker 1: did seasonal jobs, so I really wasn't making a living
Speaker 1: and I wasn't really able to support myself doing any
Speaker 1: of that. And of course in your early twenties, I
Speaker 1: guess you just I don't know what it is about
Speaker 1: the twenties. Not for everybody, of course, but for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, it's just like you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: believe in God or something. It's just supposed to be
Speaker 1: like spiritual. People ask you, do you believe in God?
Speaker 1: And oh, I'm spiritual, you know. I remember that was
Speaker 1: the answer, and I knew deep down that I did.
Speaker 1: But for some reason, I don't know, you just kind
Speaker 1: of fall away. Not everybody, but some people. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever listened.
Speaker 3: To can Owens occasionally, she certainly pops up on my
Speaker 3: social media.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she she said. She brought up the point that,
Speaker 1: you know, after World War Two, it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: the Bible was pulled out of the classroom. Everything kind
Speaker 1: of changed, and everything was sort of shifted to making
Speaker 1: people not believe that there is a God, you know,
Speaker 1: and that it's just it's just spiritual and there's nothing
Speaker 1: that there's nothing really that created us and our grandparents.
Speaker 1: They grew up an entirely different way, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, in two generations later, you find yourself
Speaker 1: in your twenties and it's like, not, you're just not
Speaker 1: supposed to believe in God, I guess, which is just
Speaker 1: strange to me to think now, but that's kind of
Speaker 1: how it was. And I took a rafting trip when
Speaker 1: I lived out there, through the Grand Canyon of the
Speaker 1: two week rafting trip, which is a pretty rare experience.
Speaker 1: It was, it was a great ex experience, but I
Speaker 1: remember that everybody who went on that trip, they would
Speaker 1: always say that when they were on the river and
Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon, they always realized how small they were
Speaker 1: in comparison to everything, like they felt so small, and
Speaker 1: that just never resonated with me. I never I never
Speaker 1: understood that. It just wasn't something that I thought. And
Speaker 1: now that I understand more, you know, I realized that
Speaker 1: we all have a purpose. We're just not one spec
Speaker 1: in the universe. We're we're not insignificant. And that's what
Speaker 1: these people would say was significant to them when they
Speaker 1: were in such a huge place and beautiful place, they
Speaker 1: felt small and insignificant. And I don't think and I
Speaker 1: never agreed with that. I didn't really know why, but
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's true. And I and now
Speaker 1: I know why. I never felt like that because you know,
Speaker 1: think we're connected to everything in nature and we're not
Speaker 1: small and insignificant, you know.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's part of Big Bang evolution. You're just
Speaker 3: a spec in a timeline of billions of years. You're insignificant.
Speaker 3: It's really great points. And just to touch on a
Speaker 3: few things you've mentioned already, you know, I grew up
Speaker 3: in the mid Atlantic region. I always growing up had
Speaker 3: the four seasons. And when I got my orders in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight to go to Hawaii, I was so excited,
Speaker 3: you know, you know from TV you're just thinking about
Speaker 3: living on the beach. But when it came to be
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving and Christmas time and it's eighty two degrees, it
Speaker 3: just didn't feel like that time of the year. Didn't
Speaker 3: feel like the season. You know. There's something about you know,
Speaker 3: they talk about terrain theory and where you grew up,
Speaker 3: and I never felt at home in Texas. I never
Speaker 3: felt at home in all the different various places, Colorado
Speaker 3: was probably the closest it did have four seasons and
Speaker 3: it was beautiful. But you know, you know when I
Speaker 3: finally came home and it's like your body's like, this
Speaker 3: is what it was adapted to. Yeah, and I just
Speaker 3: really enjoy the four seasons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's something that I miss and why I don't
Speaker 1: feel at home here now. You know, I still like
Speaker 1: this is not where I'm going to end up. I
Speaker 1: feel like I need to be somewhere with the four seasons.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think the changes are important. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I'll be driving down the road and I'll be like, wait,
Speaker 1: what month is it. I'll get confused all of a
Speaker 1: sudden because it's eighty degrees, but it's you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, well October, it's November. And I think that
Speaker 1: the changes are really important because it allows you to
Speaker 1: go through changes, and it's just a part of us.
Speaker 1: We're supposed to change from season to season and move
Speaker 1: through the year. You know.
Speaker 3: IM same with all the animals. You know, we have
Speaker 3: chickens and come October November, they molt, they lose their
Speaker 3: their feathers, they get new ones in. You know. It's
Speaker 3: just that that's how I was brought up, and I
Speaker 3: never felt comfortable anywhere else until I did come home Texas.
Speaker 3: Just I remember doing I had a workshop in my
Speaker 3: garage in July. I'd be out there trying to you know,
Speaker 3: sand some antique and it would be like one hundred
Speaker 3: and ten degrees. I'm like, I just can't do this anymore. So,
Speaker 3: you know, I do hope you find if you're able
Speaker 3: to find someplace that does have four seasons, and it's
Speaker 3: to you know, to have snow and at the same
Speaker 3: time to have summer. It's just so awesome to me.
Speaker 3: Something that you touched on post World War two is
Speaker 3: when they you know, people say that the separation of
Speaker 3: church and state really started, and what that was it
Speaker 3: was a subliminal, subconscious message that man's law usurps God's law.
Speaker 3: And you know, you go back to the sixteen seventeen hundreds,
Speaker 3: early seventeen hundreds, the Bible and God's Word was the
Speaker 3: base of education. Something I just found recently. Actually, if
Speaker 3: you go back to the Treaty of Tripoli, article eleven,
Speaker 3: it talks about how I'll just read it directly as
Speaker 3: the government of the United States of America is not
Speaker 3: in any sense founded on the Christian religion and This
Speaker 3: document is from seventeen eighty six, so we're talking the
Speaker 3: Constitution where we're told, you know, that this is a
Speaker 3: Christian nation, and then nine years later in the Treaty
Speaker 3: of Tripoli, an American document that completely states that, oh no, no,
Speaker 3: we're not really founded on religion. Is really eye opening
Speaker 3: and the more you learn about these things, you wonder,
Speaker 3: you know, these historical figures, what was their real agenda?
Speaker 1: Yeah. It also, you know, that's kind of when this
Speaker 1: humanism and idea that you know, there's not that you know,
Speaker 1: we are God, people start worshiping themselves.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of when all of that started
Speaker 1: giving people an idea that, yeah, that that they don't
Speaker 1: need a god to worship, worship, it's not real humanism,
Speaker 1: all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Uh, you want to talk a little bit about your
Speaker 3: journey to the truth. I could tell early in your
Speaker 3: introduction that you were always an inquisitive person. You're always
Speaker 3: thinking about things when you when you talk to your
Speaker 3: parents about your friends and if they didn't believe in God.
Speaker 3: Was there a certain point, a certain time where you
Speaker 3: started to maybe realize that the world wasn't exactly as
Speaker 3: it was described through you know, mainstream media and our
Speaker 3: history books.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, one of the things that just never
Speaker 1: made sense to me was and you can hear me, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're doing okay. It just never made sense to me
Speaker 1: when I thought about the universe, you know, the Earth,
Speaker 1: and then I would think about space, and I think
Speaker 1: about the universe and how it's supposed to be infinite,
Speaker 1: and so my mind would just start going, going, going,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how is so, where is God in this?
Speaker 1: How is he supposed to be? And it would kind
Speaker 1: of just blow my mind. It never made sense ever.
Speaker 1: And one of the coolest things was probably two three
Speaker 1: years ago, my son was sitting at the kitchen table
Speaker 1: and he literally said the exact same thing that I've
Speaker 1: always thought. He said, you know, it doesn't make any
Speaker 1: sense that there's the Earth and then there's the universe.
Speaker 1: How does God go on top of that? And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, my gosh, that's exactly what I've been
Speaker 1: wondering this whole time. Where it was just something that
Speaker 1: it just didn't make any sense. But I started, I mean,
Speaker 1: once I moved back here to Alpasso, I went to
Speaker 1: nursing school and then graduated, started working, ended up getting
Speaker 1: pregnant having my son. And there was a girl in
Speaker 1: my nursing class and he her husband had lung cancer.
Speaker 1: Young in his thirties, no, in his twenties, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: very young, you know, not a smoker, just a really
Speaker 1: unfortunate thing. And they had I think they had two
Speaker 1: kids already, but you know, towards the end, he was
Speaker 1: on chemo. It was clear that you know, he wasn't
Speaker 1: going to live, and it was really sad. But after
Speaker 1: he passed, she found out that she was pregnant, and
Speaker 1: I just remember that was just one of the most
Speaker 1: I mean to me, I thought, how could there not
Speaker 1: be a god? I mean, everybody said there was no
Speaker 1: way that he would be able to, you know, make
Speaker 1: a baby because he was on chemo and all the
Speaker 1: meds and everything, and somehow God gave them this gift
Speaker 1: and she was pregnant. You know, afterwards, that story just
Speaker 1: always stays with me because, like I said, I just
Speaker 1: don't see how there could not be a god, you know,
Speaker 1: when something that something like that happens for me. But
Speaker 1: you know, even so my story, I was actually adopted.
Speaker 1: My parents couldn't have kids, and they they were told
Speaker 1: it was going to be about two years to get
Speaker 1: a baby. Back in the nineteen eighties, and they were
Speaker 1: living in Missouri and my mom was working and he
Speaker 1: was working at a hotel at the time. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I've read a story so many times and I can
Speaker 1: never get the d don't exactly right. But she ended
Speaker 1: up talking to somebody. It turns out that that somebody
Speaker 1: that she worked with, the manager or something, happened to
Speaker 1: be on the adoption board, and so he took their
Speaker 1: name and he moved their name all the way to
Speaker 1: the front of the list, the top of the list.
Speaker 1: And so they basically got a call, you know, not
Speaker 1: long after, with no preparation, no idea. You know, they
Speaker 1: were thinking two years. They were like, oh, we have
Speaker 1: a baby for you. And they were like what So
Speaker 1: I was only four years old and they didn't have anything, No,
Speaker 1: no diapers, no, I mean nothing. But that story, of course,
Speaker 1: is a little amazing in itself when you think about it.
Speaker 1: But I mean, those are so I mean, those are
Speaker 1: two little stories that that I feel, and there's millions
Speaker 1: of stories like that. Where so how could there how
Speaker 1: could these things happen if there wasn't a higher power
Speaker 1: there wasn't God there, you know, helping you through these
Speaker 1: moments and putting these opportunities and things in your life.
Speaker 1: So anyway, there's that. So that was kind of moving
Speaker 1: me a little closer. That was nursing school, and so
Speaker 1: I worked in the hospital for a few years, and
Speaker 1: then in twenty seventeen I decided to go do flight nursing.
Speaker 1: So I went and did flight nursing. And we had pilot,
Speaker 1: great guy, and he was a flat earther, really, and yeah,
Speaker 1: and we all knew it. And I remember one time
Speaker 1: we were in a flight you know, it's a small
Speaker 1: plane of pilatus. It was a plane, not a helicopter
Speaker 1: that I mostly flew in. And I remember one time
Speaker 1: it was me in the paramedic and the pilot. We
Speaker 1: were flying back and we were just talking and we
Speaker 1: were just giving him so much trouble about him thinking
Speaker 1: that the Earth was but yeah, we were just like
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous, you know, what do you mean? I mean,
Speaker 1: just did not believe a word of it. And I
Speaker 1: remember I think we when I got back, actually went
Speaker 1: and I googled or YouTube flat Earth, and of course,
Speaker 1: like you know, the first thing that came up was
Speaker 1: the Flat Earth Society, and so I'm looking at it
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, yeah, this is just the weirdest
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard. Yeah, and so whatever, like, I
Speaker 1: went along. But one thing was he was very he
Speaker 1: he was a Christian, He read the Bible. He was
Speaker 1: very you know, I just knew he was a Christian
Speaker 1: who read the Bible. And then I also knew that
Speaker 1: he thought the Earth was flat. And so fast forward
Speaker 1: a few years and just over social media, people that
Speaker 1: I follow just well, I guess if I back up
Speaker 1: to around twenty twenty was when I started to kind
Speaker 1: of question things. And then it was a couple of
Speaker 1: years later, probably the beginning of last year or the
Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty two. I had started to see
Speaker 1: people that I follow touch on flat Earth and they
Speaker 1: were also Christians and they also read the Bible. And
Speaker 1: so it took me back to you know, our pilot friend,
Speaker 1: and I thought, maybe there's something to this because these
Speaker 1: connections that I was making, and I just started looking
Speaker 1: into it and I actually found your podcast right away.
Speaker 1: I searched flat Earth i think on Apple for Spotify.
Speaker 1: I came up right away.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's amazing. How Yeah, one podcast gets completely hidden.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've I've heard a lot of people say
Speaker 1: that too. They searched flat earth on your on your show,
Speaker 1: and they say, I searched it and it just came
Speaker 1: right up.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. How for some people it just shows up
Speaker 3: in others it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I started listening. Was very overwhelming first, a
Speaker 1: lot of information, a lot of things that I didn't understand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But the more I listened, the more I looked into it.
Speaker 1: And then the other thing was that I mentioned it
Speaker 1: to my son and I just mentioned a couple of
Speaker 1: things to him and he was like, oh, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: flat So he was just like on ward right away.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I told him two or three
Speaker 1: things and he was just like, oh, yeah, that makes sense,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. And I'm like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: And if you were to take two people who were
Speaker 3: never taught anything whatsoever, right, they weren't taught about anything scientific,
Speaker 3: you know, and at the age of fifteen for the
Speaker 3: first time, you introduce both theories to them, which one
Speaker 3: do you think they're going to agree with?
Speaker 1: I would hope it would be the flat exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, wait a minute, we're not on a ball spinning.
Speaker 3: What are you talking about? It's just you know, the
Speaker 3: propaganda and the main tricks is meant to keep people confused.
Speaker 3: And they say, if you tell a lie big enough,
Speaker 3: people will believe it, and that this is one heck
Speaker 3: of a lie.
Speaker 1: It is, and you know, we're kind of taught not
Speaker 1: to not to question anything. So if I if I
Speaker 1: think back, you know, you'd ask a question and they
Speaker 1: just give you, give you an answer about it, and
Speaker 1: then it's like you're just supposed to go on, you know,
Speaker 1: like not critically think about it or anything. Like all
Speaker 1: the examples of oh, well, why doesn't wire stick to
Speaker 1: a wall? And you know, well gravity, Oh okay, and
Speaker 1: then you just move on, right, And we're just kind
Speaker 1: of trained to react that way. Oh, I'm going to
Speaker 1: give you this one answer and then we're going to
Speaker 1: move on instead of saying, well that doesn't make it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go back and test that theory. How refreshing
Speaker 3: would it be to have a science teacher to say that,
Speaker 3: let's go back and test some of these theories. But no,
Speaker 3: the textbook says, and this is how we have to teach,
Speaker 3: which is really again, it's the system is what the
Speaker 3: problem is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so we sometimes go out camping to a
Speaker 1: place in Utah at this glamping site and they'll do
Speaker 1: astronomy tours. And it was I think it was actually
Speaker 1: in May of twenty two, so maybe I maybe I
Speaker 1: was coming to this a little sooner than I thought.
Speaker 1: But we went to this astronomy tour. This guy came
Speaker 1: out with a big, giant telescope and you know, we
Speaker 1: were looking at the moon, and then there was another
Speaker 1: There were other families there with kids, and so he
Speaker 1: was asking the kids and this one girl, I mean,
Speaker 1: she knew, she knew everything, She knew the planet, she
Speaker 1: knew the order of the planets, you know, things that
Speaker 1: I couldn't really remember. And at the time, actually I
Speaker 1: think it was in my like I'm not so sure time.
Speaker 1: Do I believe it's flat? Do I not believe it's flat?
Speaker 1: So she was just you know, shooting out the answers
Speaker 1: to his questions and then he had her come out
Speaker 1: and demonstrate. And I'll try to articulate this well, but
Speaker 1: basically he showed us a paper plate and said, you know,
Speaker 1: this is the sizes of the Sun. And then he
Speaker 1: had a pencil with an eraser, you know, on the
Speaker 1: end of it, this would be the size of the Earth.
Speaker 1: And then he had her make steps, you know, down
Speaker 1: this dirt path, basically trying to illustrate the distance of
Speaker 1: each planet from the Sun and from each other. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: take another three steps, and this is this many million
Speaker 1: miles away. Take another seven steps, and this is this
Speaker 1: many miles a million miles away. And I'm just listening
Speaker 1: to this and I thought, this doesn't make any sense
Speaker 1: at all. How are we supposed to know about a
Speaker 1: planet that's hundreds of millions of miles away? You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I laugh every day on social media part
Speaker 3: me that they send the you know, the images back
Speaker 3: from Mars and it's just, you know, now that's that's
Speaker 3: actually Canada. I forget the name of the place off
Speaker 3: the top of my head, but.
Speaker 1: You know, well or the any of the hubble tells
Speaker 1: any of it exactly, don't know. Watching him try to
Speaker 1: illustrate that to us, it just sounded so ridiculous. It
Speaker 1: didn't make any sense. And then the way he was
Speaker 1: saying the size, you know, the Earth is a is
Speaker 1: a pencil eraser, and the Sun is this, but there're this,
Speaker 1: you know, ninety three million miles away from each other.
Speaker 1: It just I kind of looked around, thinking, how does
Speaker 1: anybody believe any of this?
Speaker 3: But and that's interesting that happened on your vacation in Utah,
Speaker 3: where you know when sometimes when things scientific things I
Speaker 3: should say, get broken down to the point you're just like,
Speaker 3: this is ridiculous, right, yeah, just absurd. And then did
Speaker 3: you go through the phase where you were kind of
Speaker 3: convinced that the Earth was flat and you decided to
Speaker 3: share that information with friends or was it you were
Speaker 3: still pretty hesitant, like you kind of knew what you
Speaker 3: were getting into.
Speaker 1: No. I really didn't share it with anybody really except
Speaker 1: my son. I mean, I think you had somebody on
Speaker 1: your podcast recently talked about, you know, their parents who
Speaker 1: grew up watching watching them land on the moon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and for them, you know, that was just such a
Speaker 1: pivotal moment in their life to where it's almost impossible
Speaker 1: for them to steer away from that because it was
Speaker 1: it was so meaningful in their life. You know that
Speaker 1: they can't imagine that not happening. And so my parents
Speaker 1: I think are kind of there. I don't I haven't
Speaker 1: fully to, but my mom said one time, you know
Speaker 1: dy one mentioned that the Earth might be flat, and
Speaker 1: she was just like appalled, you know, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't even go into it. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go into this right now. So
Speaker 1: I really haven't. There's been There's been a couple instances
Speaker 1: where I've kind of mentioned it and people are like huh.
Speaker 1: But I did end up calling my pilot friend though,
Speaker 1: after my realization. You know, I hadn't seen him in
Speaker 1: it four or five years, and I called him up
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, you know, guess what I said,
Speaker 1: The Earth is flat? And he was like yeah, And
Speaker 1: so we ended up talking for a little bit and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I'm sorry. I gave you
Speaker 1: so much hell about it that day and I'm sorry
Speaker 1: about this, I said, but you know, you're completely right
Speaker 1: and I can't believe it. And we had a good
Speaker 1: conversation about it.
Speaker 3: But that's awesome, and it's funny. I do think that,
Speaker 3: you know, in many times God plans those seas in
Speaker 3: this particular way. It was the pilot who mentioned it.
Speaker 3: You know, at that particular time, you didn't convert to
Speaker 3: a flat earth, but that the seed was planted and
Speaker 3: so the next time that topic came up, your mind
Speaker 3: went back to that, which kind of helped reinforce well,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe he isn't the only person who thinks this,
Speaker 3: and that you know, turned on the switch for you
Speaker 3: the door. Yeah, open the door and walk through and
Speaker 3: to realize that, hey, maybe he wasn't so crazy after all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly, exactly, yep.
Speaker 3: Which is something we all have to face. So I
Speaker 3: still to me that you know, people's first, if you
Speaker 3: would rabbit hole is flat Earth is just interesting to
Speaker 3: me because for myself, I had to go through every
Speaker 3: other rabbit hole on the face of the Earth before
Speaker 3: I would even consider flat Earth. And it's it's just
Speaker 3: so interesting to me that for some people they're able
Speaker 3: to to kind of walk through the flat Earth door.
Speaker 3: Has there been any other you know, kind of rabbit
Speaker 3: holes that you you ventured into, you know, if you
Speaker 3: want to lead into twenty twenty, now, that's certainly an opportunity.
Speaker 3: If there's any other rabbit holes you wanted to discuss, Well, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I pretty much agree with everything that you discuss
Speaker 1: on the podcast with you know, the guests, all the
Speaker 1: rabbit holes. I didn't have a period after flat Earth
Speaker 1: like I know, some people kind of their world has
Speaker 1: turned upside down. And I know that you said it
Speaker 1: took you a couple of weeks for sure. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just kind of it was like maybe because that seed
Speaker 1: had been planted, like you mentioned, and you know, the
Speaker 1: door was open, and I thought, oh, okay, well this
Speaker 1: is it. But then it also it answered so many
Speaker 1: questions for me, and you know, it says it right
Speaker 1: there in the Bible, and that's pretty huge for me
Speaker 1: speaking of a bullet point when we get to that
Speaker 1: that that's my first one. But it answered the questions
Speaker 1: you know why it never made made sense with the
Speaker 1: universe like that just never made sense to me. So
Speaker 1: it answered that, and it just solidified the fact that
Speaker 1: God is there and he's right there above us, and
Speaker 1: you know that this is all real and everything that
Speaker 1: they are trying to tell us is not real. One
Speaker 1: thing I never understood was, well, well, I guess the
Speaker 1: silver bullet about believing in God itself is, you know,
Speaker 1: if people believe that Satan is real and we have Satan, this,
Speaker 1: how could God not be real? Great? That one never
Speaker 1: really that never under I never understood that either said, well,
Speaker 1: so you believe these people that worship Satan, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's a thing. But you think people that you
Speaker 1: don't think God is real, So that one never made
Speaker 1: sense to me.
Speaker 3: That's a great point, right. I know fellow truthers who
Speaker 3: you know, do podcasts all the time on Lucifairs and Satanists,
Speaker 3: but they're atheist. And what a great retort just to say, well,
Speaker 3: if there's a dark side. Yeah, I'm just using this loosely.
Speaker 3: If there's a dark side, well then there has to
Speaker 3: be a light side. If there's evil, then there has
Speaker 3: to be good.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, right, where do they think Satan came from? Exactly? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So that one, that one, that one doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: to me. For people that don't, I don't know.
Speaker 3: And this rabbit hole is special in that regard to
Speaker 3: I can't tell you that the number of emails I've
Speaker 3: got from people who it has gotten people closer to God?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly. And I think that's I think that's
Speaker 1: the biggest point of the whole community is is that's
Speaker 1: what it would do. It would it would bring everybody
Speaker 1: closer to God. I mean, that's what I would think
Speaker 1: it would do, and.
Speaker 3: It should you know, if that lie were were to
Speaker 3: be unveiled to the world, to be disclosed to the world,
Speaker 3: you know, the great veil would fall from man's eyes
Speaker 3: and we could finally look past all these menial discussions
Speaker 3: and arguments that we get in and you know, turn
Speaker 3: the light on the real problem, uh in this world?
Speaker 1: Right I this is maybe going on a tangent, but
Speaker 1: have you heard of the doctor Laura Sanger?
Speaker 3: Doctor Sanger, that name is, Yes, I've heard of her,
Speaker 3: Laura or Margaret's Oh Margaret Sangers Laura, Yeah, no, that's apparently.
Speaker 3: My goodness, gracious Lara Sanger. Is is she like on
Speaker 3: Fox News or no?
Speaker 1: Well I saw her so, you know the Blurry Creature's podcast, right, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: they do like a Blurry con and she was a guest,
Speaker 1: and you know, I ended up listening to her a
Speaker 1: little bit and just kind of touching on what you
Speaker 1: said about if you know, if the if the veil
Speaker 1: was dropped and people really knew God was there and
Speaker 1: this is what mattered, and live for him and there
Speaker 1: is something to live for. That's something also I think.
Speaker 3: That, yeah, you know, this is a meaningless journey exactly somebody.
Speaker 1: You know, I've had patience that you know, are not
Speaker 1: doing well and they think that that their journey, like
Speaker 1: you said, is meaningless. You know, depression, suicide, anxiety, all
Speaker 1: those things. I mean, just knowing that there's God and
Speaker 1: that's really the only thing that you need to to
Speaker 1: live for and be joyful about and just remember that
Speaker 1: he's there and it's okay. That would make so many
Speaker 1: people's lives much better. But the one thing that she
Speaker 1: says that she talked about was certain prayers that she
Speaker 1: doesn't She's like, there's one prayer, but it's kind of
Speaker 1: a dangerous prayer and it's it's, you know, asking God
Speaker 1: to show you your idols. And she said that can
Speaker 1: be a very you know, scary prayer because you know,
Speaker 1: idols are anything like your phone, you were, you know,
Speaker 1: things that you're putting too much time and effort into
Speaker 1: when you really should be putting all your time, all
Speaker 1: your effort, all your thoughts in God. You know. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get exactly where you're you're saying.
Speaker 1: It was just interesting to hear her say that asking
Speaker 1: God to show you your idols and then you really
Speaker 1: get an eye opening of Okay, what do I need
Speaker 1: to adjust to my life? So that I'm living, you know,
Speaker 1: more a path of living for christ I guess absolutely.
Speaker 3: And first of all, I should say, I'm so glad
Speaker 3: that you brought her name up, because I couldn't remember
Speaker 3: somebody showed me her books. She wrote back, actually doing
Speaker 3: I want to read that. Yeah, the Roots of the
Speaker 3: Federal Reserve, Tracing the Nephelum from Noah to the US Dollar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm going to order that one.
Speaker 3: I get so many referrals and hey, you got to
Speaker 3: read this and that, and sometimes these things, you know,
Speaker 3: fall off your radar. The other thing is Matthew six
Speaker 3: five through fifteen. It tells us how to pray, and
Speaker 3: I'll link that in the show description as well. It
Speaker 3: tells you how, you know, enter that closet, shut the door,
Speaker 3: pray to father in secret and in secret, shovel worthy openly,
Speaker 3: and it talks about not to use vain repetitions. But yeah,
Speaker 3: in the Book of Matthew, we're instructed on how to pray.
Speaker 3: And yeah, for sure, I'll put that in the show
Speaker 3: notes for folks who have never seen or heard that before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess, so that's one thing that you know,
Speaker 1: I haven't I have not read the full Bible, and
Speaker 1: I have not figured out how to to do it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'll listen to to sermons, I'll listen to preachers.
Speaker 1: A certain preacher that I do like teach about the Bible,
Speaker 1: but I just haven't figured out how to make myself
Speaker 1: sit down and do it. So, you know, I know
Speaker 1: that's something that's that's missing that you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm not doing it right in that aspect.
Speaker 3: But well, I wouldn't say that you're not doing it right,
Speaker 3: because anytime you're making an effort to read the Bible,
Speaker 3: you're following God's commandment, and kudos to you for that.
Speaker 3: And it's you know, some people picked it up and
Speaker 3: read it from you know, there's so many different ways
Speaker 3: to do it. I'm sure you know we have Kara's
Speaker 3: email address in the show notes, so if you want
Speaker 3: to send your suggestions to her, then please, by all
Speaker 3: means send her an email. Yeah, you know, it's there.
Speaker 3: It's it's so much to read. It's again, it's not
Speaker 3: a novel. Some people read it straight through. You know.
Speaker 3: I've read it, but not consecutively. I've read I usually
Speaker 3: do it by book. I would say that Genesis, Daniel
Speaker 3: and Revelation and the first four books of the New Testament.
Speaker 3: I've read the most right, right, and there's wonderful study
Speaker 3: guides and daily devotionals that will help you through that
Speaker 3: way as well.
Speaker 1: Yes there are. And it's just something I need to
Speaker 1: I need to commit to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we all do.
Speaker 1: We're all going through our journey in our different places,
Speaker 1: and but yeah, I know that's that's one thing that
Speaker 1: I need to do. But there's just there's so much information.
Speaker 1: Every time I listen to one of the one of
Speaker 1: your guests, it's just more information. And I you know,
Speaker 1: I sometimes I think, well, I could have been learning
Speaker 1: all this information for the last twenty years, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm behind. But then I just think, you know what,
Speaker 1: I guess this is just how it was supposed to be,
Speaker 1: and you know, this is how I also think sometimes, well,
Speaker 1: we'll ever find a partner, right, because that's ultimately what
Speaker 1: I've wanted. But now I've kind of just committed myself
Speaker 1: to raising my son during these years. But then I
Speaker 1: also think, well I would I don't know, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: God is God was like, hey, well you need to
Speaker 1: figure all this stuff out before I can give you
Speaker 1: your You know your other half or your your partner,
Speaker 1: because you just never know if the person that you're
Speaker 1: with is going to be on board with all of
Speaker 1: these things.
Speaker 3: Or not, you know for sure. And we've had people,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've heard the podcast where many of our
Speaker 3: guests their partner that was not really on board. Yes,
Speaker 3: and that is you know, to me, that was very important.
Speaker 3: And I'm very grateful that you know, my wife when
Speaker 3: she gets up, she opens up her Flat Earth Dave
Speaker 3: app and watches the little video for the morning and
Speaker 3: those type of things, and you know, when the time
Speaker 3: is right, your partner, you're such a wonderful person, and
Speaker 3: you're you know, taking care of your fourteen year old
Speaker 3: and your fourteen year old son. And I know you
Speaker 3: said you were a flight nurse, which I'm assuming you
Speaker 3: said you were on an airplane. We did medevac helicopter
Speaker 3: in the military in Hawaii were used like transporting like
Speaker 3: critical from hospital or a hospital and you were there
Speaker 3: to oversee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, it was. I did the helicopter two at times,
Speaker 1: so that would be where you'd actually could land on scene,
Speaker 1: but the planes would sometimes go longer distances, but it
Speaker 1: would still be critical patients it's just you'd have to
Speaker 1: go into the hospital, pick up the patient, drive back
Speaker 1: to the airport, transport them onto the plane. It was
Speaker 1: a big process.
Speaker 3: Because not every city has a I forget the level one,
Speaker 3: level two or whatever hospital in the town. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially in New Mexico, which is you know, most
Speaker 1: of the area that we be in was New Mexico area, Arizona,
Speaker 1: you know, the the small reservation areas in Arizona, New Mexico.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, so, but I only did that for
Speaker 1: two years and then I went back to back to
Speaker 1: the ICU. And then that's when I got I finished
Speaker 1: my NP in twenty twenty. I graduated, but it was
Speaker 1: August twenty twenty, and that's right when I'll pass. So
Speaker 1: got hit. So I stayed for another two years in
Speaker 1: the ICU. It just kind of felt like I shouldn't
Speaker 1: leave right then. And yeah, and then I went into
Speaker 1: nurse practitioner.
Speaker 3: So was your hospital or wherever you were working at
Speaker 3: the time, were they pushing the vaccine on the employees?
Speaker 1: They were, but it wasn't mandatory, and it was it
Speaker 1: was so I'm not vaccinated. I didn't get the COVID.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it, and I guess that's another you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I was being looked after in a
Speaker 1: way because I just kind of missed the day, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody was supposed to get vaccinated, and you know, I
Speaker 1: worked nights, and the last thing that I wanted to
Speaker 1: do was go downstairs in the morning and wait in
Speaker 1: line and you know, do something extra. You know, you
Speaker 1: just want to go home after your shift because it's overnight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I just I kept missing the days that they
Speaker 1: were doing the vaccines. And then I started listening to
Speaker 1: podcasts and I started listening to the frontline doctors. I
Speaker 1: started kind of figuring everything out, you know, and then
Speaker 1: I just never you know, I never got vaccinated, and
Speaker 1: thankfully the hospital all they took a religious exemption, thankfully,
Speaker 1: and then I never had to. And then my nurse
Speaker 1: practitioner job as well, I didn't have to. So I
Speaker 1: haven't I haven't had any major issues with that yet,
Speaker 1: although I did. I did apply for a job somewhere
Speaker 1: and they they were like, oh, well, yeah, we can't
Speaker 1: move forward if you don't have the COVID vaccine.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, that's I mean, that's fine. I
Speaker 1: think that's a little behind the times, but you know,
Speaker 1: I respect it. You know, it's fine. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so. Around COVID was when I kind of started
Speaker 1: opening my eyes to things, and then everything else started
Speaker 1: coming to light as well in flat Earth and then
Speaker 1: just all of it. And I never looked into nine
Speaker 1: to eleven. But I just yeah, I mean, you just
Speaker 1: accept it. Yeah, it makes sense, though it's something I
Speaker 1: don't know that I could speak to my parents about
Speaker 1: yet either. It's kind of like but and then the
Speaker 1: moon landing, I mean, all of it just kind of
Speaker 1: went together once you realize they're lying about everything, you know, Yep,
Speaker 1: you just know they're lying about everything.
Speaker 3: Everything is a facade, and that's what we say. If
Speaker 3: they're lying about man's greatest accomplishment, then you have to
Speaker 3: take everything else with a grain of salt. And I
Speaker 3: mean everything, yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: And one of the things I find is so funny
Speaker 1: is the movies. I made a comment on Oh well,
Speaker 1: let me go. I made a comment about on Instagram
Speaker 1: about a picture of an astronaut on the moon, and
Speaker 1: my comment had the word shadow in it, and they
Speaker 1: removed that comment like.
Speaker 3: Right away, Instagram did, Yeah, really right away.
Speaker 1: They just were like, Nope, your comment is not appropriate.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about it, and I think it's
Speaker 1: because it had the word shadow in it, because I'm
Speaker 1: not sure why else, but you had somebody recently mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know, the shadows on the moon and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, you, yeah, that's probably why they removed it.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I made another comment on you know,
Speaker 1: the fittest flat Earth or you've had him on your
Speaker 1: podcast before? You remember him?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, he's uh yeah, he's all over TikTok.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he posted something about Hollywood. Oh it was I
Speaker 1: don't know if well, you don't watch Netflix. I know that,
Speaker 1: but there was a real there's a recent show that
Speaker 1: came out with their last six episodes and there was
Speaker 1: a flat Earth comment made. They're in an airplane and
Speaker 1: the the guy, they have a picture on a screen
Speaker 1: and it's showing the flight path right, and the flight
Speaker 1: path is a is an arc and he's kind of
Speaker 1: portrayed as kind of, you know, not the smartest in
Speaker 1: the show. And so he calls the stewardess up and
Speaker 1: he says, hey, I need to talk to the pilot.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, we need to get home quicker
Speaker 1: and I don't understand with this arc. We just need
Speaker 1: to go straight And she's like, oh, you mean the
Speaker 1: curvature of the earth. And he's like, well, the map
Speaker 1: is flat, so we just need to go in a
Speaker 1: straight line.
Speaker 3: I flew, you know, internationally, so many times, and I'd
Speaker 3: be on whether it was Omni Air or one of
Speaker 3: these other contracted government airplanes, and it was the same thing.
Speaker 3: I'm like, why in the world are we flying up
Speaker 3: and around? It doesn't make any sense. We're over water,
Speaker 3: you know. That was my first thing. Well, maybe it's
Speaker 3: just a safety thing. They fly close to land like
Speaker 3: Newfoundland and stuff, just in case there's an emergency. Like
Speaker 3: wait a second, I've flown back and forth to Hawaii, Germany,
Speaker 3: over the Atlantic. I'm like, what what's really going on?
Speaker 3: And once again, these are things that you you think
Speaker 3: of and I think you file away, and eventually, when
Speaker 3: you're ready for it, I think your subconscious kind of
Speaker 3: you know, pokes you in the in the chest and says, hey,
Speaker 3: you have this entire catalog of information that you've collected
Speaker 3: over the last fifty years. Why don't you look at it,
Speaker 3: Why don't you read it and stop leaving what you're told.
Speaker 1: Right that that was one thing that didn't make sense
Speaker 1: to me at first was the flight plans, like I
Speaker 1: didn't quite understand. And then finally it clicked, you know,
Speaker 1: when on the flat Earth map, I finally understood, Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: so if it was flat, it would be a straight line.
Speaker 1: If we were looking at the correct map, it would
Speaker 1: be a straight line. But on this globe map, it
Speaker 1: you know, they make this curve. But they always make
Speaker 1: those comments and shows and movies, and I feel like,
Speaker 1: and you've mentioned this before, I feel like it's just
Speaker 1: to mock everybody because they know. But they'll put these
Speaker 1: little clips in where it's either you know, some drunk
Speaker 1: dude talking about how the Earth is flat, or you know,
Speaker 1: another couple just convinced that it's flat, and then the
Speaker 1: person that they're talking to is just looking at them
Speaker 1: like they're crazy. But they insert those everywhere, and I
Speaker 1: I think it's just, you know, they're just trying to
Speaker 1: tease us.
Speaker 3: I guess for sure they mock us. And you had
Speaker 3: mentioned in a recent email when we were conversating back
Speaker 3: and forth about the setting the time Lara Trump right,
Speaker 3: she had mentioned something about flat Earth. I still don't.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I meant to send you the clip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you I haven't seen it yet. I always
Speaker 3: forget that. Did you think she was saying it in
Speaker 3: mockery or was she? Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't super convincing. She kind of made a
Speaker 1: face at the end. She was like, yeah, it's flat,
Speaker 1: you know, and then she made this face so it
Speaker 1: was sort of like ya. And then it was only
Speaker 1: that one clip of the show, so I don't know
Speaker 1: what was said immediately after that, so, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know if she was It was portrayed as like
Speaker 1: a joke kind of is where I thought. But I
Speaker 1: send you that.
Speaker 3: Sure, I'd appreciate that. I'll put it in the show notes.
Speaker 3: And you also wanted to mention what was his name?
Speaker 3: Uh Anayowa heckerd.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's just somebody that was on It's on
Speaker 1: TikTok It's a girl on TikTok.
Speaker 3: Oh oh okay, oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: That just seems to she just lays everything out there,
Speaker 1: and it was just really interesting to kind of go through,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's whether it's the moon Nasa. I
Speaker 1: think she was maybe like an ex witch or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that. But I just thought that very informative
Speaker 1: videos that she has up, So you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know you can put that in there, just as I
Speaker 1: just I just thought she was very informative.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think you mentioned she had like two million followers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was surprised to see that many followers. And
Speaker 1: she's and she hasn't been removed.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. Yeah, I don't know how many Tyler has,
Speaker 3: and he's all over the place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting. I think what did you want
Speaker 1: to talk about next?
Speaker 3: Let's get to your six silver bullets.
Speaker 1: Well, the first one is the Bible, just the fact
Speaker 1: that it's right there in the Bible, you know, even
Speaker 1: though it's been changed. And I did watch that debate
Speaker 1: that Dean Odle and Pastor Locke. I did watch that
Speaker 1: entire thing.
Speaker 3: Well all four hours and twenty minutes or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: Yes, I watched the whole thing, and I watched, you know,
Speaker 1: Pastor Odele's explanation of everything in the Bible that states.
Speaker 1: I mean, he just had an overwhelming amount of information
Speaker 1: and it was just bizarre to me that the other
Speaker 1: guy just completely blew it off. There's no evidence at all,
Speaker 1: And I guess that's just how it goes. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: like so, just the fact that it's right there in
Speaker 1: the Bible and we have to take that for what
Speaker 1: it is and that's what it says. So for me,
Speaker 1: that's the first one. The second one, the distance of
Speaker 1: the sun just doesn't never made any sense. And then
Speaker 1: the sun rays, you know, the fact that you can
Speaker 1: see the sun rays. I saw someone do an experiment
Speaker 1: with a flashlight, you know where they took up. They
Speaker 1: took a flashlight and they sat it on the table.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen this one. And then
Speaker 1: they had a piece of cardboard and they had cut
Speaker 1: some slits in the cardboard, and they took the cardboard
Speaker 1: and took it way far away from the flashlight where
Speaker 1: the triangle of light was was really wide, gotcha, And
Speaker 1: so the light was just kind of shining over the
Speaker 1: whole piece of cardboard. And then they started moving the
Speaker 1: cardboard closer to the flashlight. And as you moved it closer,
Speaker 1: you saw the rays come through the slits of the cardboard.
Speaker 1: It just kind of to give you an idea of
Speaker 1: the way that light works.
Speaker 3: It was it coming through it at the different angles
Speaker 3: the way they had it come.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just like the sky.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a cool experiment.
Speaker 3: And that's something that we should we should reinforce is
Speaker 3: you don't have to have a science lab to do
Speaker 3: these type of experiments, things like, you know, measuring the
Speaker 3: temperature of moonlight. This is something that everyone can do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other thing that just boggles my mind is,
Speaker 1: you know, how can five thousand feet of elevation make
Speaker 1: such a huge difference in the heat of the sun
Speaker 1: if it's ninety three million miles away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something I've mentioned before as.
Speaker 1: Well, you have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it boggles my mind. And you know, people will say, well,
Speaker 3: it's because of the you know this, that or the
Speaker 3: other thing. But at the end of the day, ninety
Speaker 3: three million miles away and you only move a couple
Speaker 3: thousand feet and it alters, it's not gonna matter. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's that's that is a big deal.
Speaker 1: And I was I was in Arizona recently and did
Speaker 1: a hike with the sunrise and people were like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can feel the difference in the sun, you know,
Speaker 1: as it came up over the mountain, And I just
Speaker 1: kind of I said to my friend, I said, well,
Speaker 1: don't you think it's weird that you can that it
Speaker 1: makes that much of a difference when it just comes
Speaker 1: up over the mountain if it's ninety three million miles away.
Speaker 1: And her answer was just like, well, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: science is complicated. Yeah, but that's like what we're trained
Speaker 1: to I didn't go into it further. She I think
Speaker 1: that she would be open, But that's just kind of
Speaker 1: what we're we're taught to say and think. It's just
Speaker 1: don't question it, like I said before, don't critically think
Speaker 1: about it. Just oh yeah, well it's gravity. Well, it's
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's science. I don't know how hot
Speaker 1: the sun is, you know, must be really hot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's interesting. Sorry, I'll let you finish. I'll
Speaker 3: keep it knowing I was just going to mention the
Speaker 3: go fast rocket and we'll talk about how far we
Speaker 3: think the sun is. But finish your silver bullets for sure.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's okay. Oh I had rainbows. You haven't
Speaker 1: had too many people mentioned rainbows. You hadn't, And just
Speaker 1: recently in the last few months, I think you've had
Speaker 1: a couple of people on the show mentioned rainbows, and
Speaker 1: one of the crazy things was when I was a
Speaker 1: flight nurse, I actually saw a rainbow from the airplane
Speaker 1: and I never knew that you could see the full circle.
Speaker 1: So I should send you those pictures too, because looking
Speaker 1: out the side window at a rainbow, it was like
Speaker 1: it was a big oval. It was like the wildest
Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. I had no idea, and it
Speaker 1: was probably that pilot, the flat Earth pilot, was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a circle when you're in the air, and I
Speaker 1: was My mind.
Speaker 3: Was blown for sure. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And then I've seen videos of people skydiving with like
Speaker 1: a rainbow circle right below them, And how does that
Speaker 1: not proof that that we're under a dome. That's the
Speaker 1: reflection of that, because you know, I have a I
Speaker 1: have a prism thing sitting on my window seil, and
Speaker 1: in the morning, the sun will shine through that and
Speaker 1: on the ceiling it'll just show like little straight pieces
Speaker 1: of a rainbow, like they won't be curved. They're the
Speaker 1: shape of the prism that's sitting there, you know. So
Speaker 1: the reason they're curved is because it's under this dome,
Speaker 1: That's right. That seems so obvious to me, but I
Speaker 1: guess it's not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think somebody had mentioned, you know, like
Speaker 3: a glass above a door that is straight, you know
Speaker 3: that the prism comes through kind of in a straight way,
Speaker 3: whereas you know, it's a dome, So therefore the reflection
Speaker 3: is going to come out in the form of a rainbow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you had there was a recent guest.
Speaker 1: The recent guests talked about that. Yes, so yes, I said,
Speaker 1: I think that too. And of course you know the
Speaker 1: fact that you could see too far. I mean I've
Speaker 1: never done that experiment on my own, but makes complete sense.
Speaker 1: And you know, the the water finding its level. I
Speaker 1: know everybody mentions that. But I was talking to you
Speaker 1: just a few minutes ago about how TV shows always
Speaker 1: like input these things. You know, like the Simpsons had
Speaker 1: that episode where they had a dome and then the
Speaker 1: water breaks through the top. Ye, well, there's a There
Speaker 1: was another little cartoon where this one guy is believing
Speaker 1: that the earth is flat and he's trying to explain
Speaker 1: it and he's saying, well, the earth is flat like
Speaker 1: a pancake, you know, and then the one girl says, whoa.
Speaker 1: Then if you just poured water over it, the water
Speaker 1: would just fall off the edges. Of it, and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh no, well, there's a there's an ice wall around,
Speaker 1: you know, to hold the water in. And I thought
Speaker 1: to myself, wait, so you asked that question if it's flat,
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't that also apply to a ball. If
Speaker 1: you were to pour water over a ball, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: stay either. So it's just all really interesting the way
Speaker 1: the way things are.
Speaker 3: And part of the problem is because of people's conception
Speaker 3: of flat earth, you know, the jokes about the cat
Speaker 3: falling off the edge and things of that nature. Something
Speaker 3: that really hit home to me was when I was
Speaker 3: first you know, many years ago, when I finally let
Speaker 3: my guard down and looked into it. I think it
Speaker 3: was flattered Dave who said, well, what's the highest continent
Speaker 3: an article? I'm like, what, that can't be right, and
Speaker 3: you know, you google it as you do, and sure
Speaker 3: enough by far way, you know, and then it clicked, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the highest continent because that is what holds all
Speaker 3: the water, and things just start to make sense. It
Speaker 3: becomes logical.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Another one is, you know, I used to see
Speaker 1: you see on maps, how this this wasn't making any
Speaker 1: sense to me, And even recently when when you see
Speaker 1: rivers that are flowing north.
Speaker 3: Absolutely Amazon or the Nile. I'm sorry, one of those.
Speaker 3: I think, yes, the river flows north. And then of
Speaker 3: course there's another scientific explanation for water climbing up ill.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure there is. Yeah, but that one,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, wait a minute, the river can't float
Speaker 1: north if we're on a globe like I just naturally
Speaker 1: always thought that everything flowed down. But then I started
Speaker 1: to realize, well, no, no, these rivers don't just go south,
Speaker 1: you know, or east or west.
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, the Nile flows all the way up
Speaker 3: to Egypt and it happens five hundred miles in altitude.
Speaker 3: This one. Oh wow, So again that these are the things.
Speaker 3: These are the type of conversations we need to plant
Speaker 3: heads before we come out and say, hey, the world
Speaker 3: is flat. You know, hey, you know Anarka, Antarctica is
Speaker 3: the highest elevation, and you know, explain rainbows and the
Speaker 3: Now River is something I bet you that I would
Speaker 3: say at least seven or eight out of ten people
Speaker 3: don't know flow north.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting, but it's one of those things
Speaker 1: that we're just trained to not think twice about it.
Speaker 1: Flows North, Okay, and then they just move on. It's like, well, wait,
Speaker 1: think about that, right, you know, really think about that,
Speaker 1: and then they could take a moment and then I
Speaker 1: feel like they would get it. I hope. You know.
Speaker 3: That's why actors like Nila grass Tyson are so important
Speaker 3: to the agenda. They put them on game shows, sports events,
Speaker 3: and you know, they hold him as this high esteemed
Speaker 3: scientist and you know, well, you know, Nila grass Tyson
Speaker 3: said that now a river flows north because of X,
Speaker 3: Y and Z, and they roll your eyes at you
Speaker 3: like you're just clueless, and it's you know, this guy
Speaker 3: is an actor. He's not really some kind of genius.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: He came on a couple and maybe it was two
Speaker 3: months ago by now, but he claimed the kicker in
Speaker 3: the NFL missed a field goal because the earth was spinning.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw that. I saw that, Like what
Speaker 1: I thought that was a joke. I couldn't believe that.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even read the whole thing because I was that.
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm that way now too. I'm just like I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't with a nonsense anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah I did see that though. Yes, those are the
Speaker 1: main ones and this, you know, the moon, just the
Speaker 1: fact that space is fake. And people also have brought
Speaker 1: up you know, how come there's no stars when you
Speaker 1: see these these clips of being on the moon, right,
Speaker 1: why is it so dark in space if the sun
Speaker 1: is shining, you know, even in the pictures it space
Speaker 1: is black. And then you have the planets and the sun. Well,
Speaker 1: how does that make sense if the sun is you know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know the exact calculation of how hot
Speaker 1: they say the sun is, but how would that work?
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't everything just be bright?
Speaker 3: And one of my memories of that is when they
Speaker 3: had the news conference after the Apollo eleven astronauts landed,
Speaker 3: they actually disagreed on if they saw the stars or not.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yes, yes, yep, there's there's there's a lot.
Speaker 1: The girl on TikTok she she has the clip, you know,
Speaker 1: of the of the gentleman talking about how they lost
Speaker 1: the technology to go to the moon or I don't
Speaker 1: know if you saw there was a post that was
Speaker 1: announcing that we were gonna go to the moon in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think originally it was next year. And
Speaker 3: then once again they just within the land this week.
Speaker 3: I think they kicked it down the road again, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, But so did they magically find the the technology
Speaker 1: they just didn't mention it or.
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna I don't know if it's going
Speaker 3: to be NASA or they're going to use Elon Musk
Speaker 3: to be the hero this.
Speaker 1: Time, right, right? What do you think of what do
Speaker 1: you think about him? Oh?
Speaker 3: He is certainly a player on the world stage. A
Speaker 3: lot of these actors get chosen out of the University
Speaker 3: of Pennsylvania, Wharton School. It is it's for the best
Speaker 3: and the brightest. And if you look at all the
Speaker 3: people who have gone through there, Trump's been through there,
Speaker 3: Elon Musk has been through there, the CEO of Google
Speaker 3: has been through there. I want to say, Peter Theal
Speaker 3: has been through there. I can't confirm that. I'd have
Speaker 3: to go back and look. But these people are selected
Speaker 3: on the world stage. Yeah, and he's an actor, you know,
Speaker 3: he's not some super smart There's people in DARPA that
Speaker 3: control you know, all this technology. DARPAS technology like from
Speaker 3: I would say they at least have technology twenty years ahead.
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is they probably had iPhone technology
Speaker 3: in the early nineties. That's about twenty years I think
Speaker 3: it came out in no way, so maybe the mid
Speaker 3: or I guess that would be the eighties, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so the late eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the technology thing, you know, the stuff they show
Speaker 1: us in the movies is probably stuff that they already have.
Speaker 1: You know, it's got to be futuristic. It's just kind
Speaker 1: of scary to think about all of it. And I've
Speaker 1: always listened to you and you say, you know, it's
Speaker 1: all a stage and everybody's and I agree with you,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna lie. I did get a little
Speaker 1: caught up in the whole election this year, even though
Speaker 1: in the back of my mind I thought I kind
Speaker 1: of had your voice sort of in the back of
Speaker 1: my mind, well, no, it's all a stage. Where I
Speaker 1: listened to the fact Hunter kind of be reminded. But
Speaker 1: I did get a little caught up in all of it.
Speaker 1: But it's hard to it's hard to really think that.
Speaker 1: I mean, my first thought about the assassination attempt was
Speaker 1: that it was staged.
Speaker 3: Sure, that was like.
Speaker 1: My initial thought I saw and that was my first thought.
Speaker 1: But you know, then there's people that are just so
Speaker 1: into politics and so into everything, and I think it's
Speaker 1: it's good to know what's going on. But I did
Speaker 1: get caught up in all of it. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I was very happy that Trump won versus Kamalap, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, I don't really know where any
Speaker 1: of this is going right.
Speaker 3: And you know, we're all human and we do get
Speaker 3: caught up in certain things. You know. I try to
Speaker 3: remind people that all the promises he made in twenty
Speaker 3: sixteen never came to fruition. And he put an agent,
Speaker 3: the Rothschild, into the Secretary of Commerce, Wilbur Ross. And
Speaker 3: if you look at who he put in for the
Speaker 3: Secretary of Geese, not Commerce, but for the Treasury. You know,
Speaker 3: Janet Yellen is there now. She's been replaced by the
Speaker 3: swampy at swamp monster of the bunch. And we need
Speaker 3: our heroes, you know. Voltaire said if they need a hero,
Speaker 3: we will provide them one. Or maybe that was Lennon,
Speaker 3: and you know that's it's it's w w E. There's
Speaker 3: the good guys and the bad guys, and the whole
Speaker 3: meaning of this is they want you to say, you know,
Speaker 3: all you have to do is vote every four years,
Speaker 3: and that's that's that's protecting your freedom is going in
Speaker 3: and pulling that lever or pushing that touch tone screen
Speaker 3: or whatever you call it, touch screen. It's it's it.
Speaker 3: You know, protecting your freedom takes a lot more responsibility
Speaker 3: than that. And you still when you see every single week,
Speaker 3: whether it was under Trump or Bush or Obama or Biden,
Speaker 3: every single week, hundreds of millions, if not millions of
Speaker 3: dollars go out of this country while we have so
Speaker 3: many glaring issues here at home that are not taken
Speaker 3: care of. And just like you know, on the airplane,
Speaker 3: when the oxygen goes low, they say, put your mask
Speaker 3: on first, then help others. That's the situation we're right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's crazy to think about that. It's hard
Speaker 1: to not get infuriated, you know.
Speaker 3: Un listen obviously, you know with Kamala and the woke Left,
Speaker 3: you know that it's a smart game. They play like
Speaker 3: it's it is an evil right and nobody wanted. Obviously,
Speaker 3: he didn't get eighty one million votes, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 3: et cetera. But you know, meet the old boss, same
Speaker 3: as the new boss. We're just treating the symptoms. We're
Speaker 3: not really addressing the true problems that we're we're dealing.
Speaker 1: With, right, And you mentioned vote, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: just bring up I don't know if it was you
Speaker 1: that told us about this book about words, Yes, the
Speaker 1: word Magic book.
Speaker 3: Uh, somebody did I know? Jordan Maxwell, not Jordan Peterson.
Speaker 3: Jordan Maxwell and his maritime admirality. Our speech really breaks
Speaker 3: down wordsmithing. And I think it was actually a guest
Speaker 3: to mention what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I think so too. But I bought the book. It's
Speaker 1: called Word Magic, The Powers and Occult Definitions of Words,
Speaker 1: And I was just reading last night. You know, about
Speaker 1: the word vote and just about about all of it,
Speaker 1: and how a lot of it will. You know, there's idolatry,
Speaker 1: the word vote, pull charge power, you know, the electrical
Speaker 1: energy of an election, and trying to kind of steal
Speaker 1: the energy from from everybody and put it into these
Speaker 1: other forces. I know this sounds a little but you
Speaker 1: know it's all a spiritual war.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: And I know I know you've said that before. But
Speaker 1: the book is really interesting. I haven't read all of it,
Speaker 1: but I just kind of went through a few things
Speaker 1: and it's a little overwhelming, but it's good to kind
Speaker 1: of jump in there and read a few things and
Speaker 1: then you know, absorb that. I think about it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there's that book that I wanted to mention.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you reminded me. There's so many things
Speaker 3: that you know, just like you know, you take all
Speaker 3: this information in and some of these things kind of
Speaker 3: fall to the wayside. That's Pal Chang's book and it
Speaker 3: must have been within the last year. One of our
Speaker 3: guests mentioned it, and I'll put that link in the subscription.
Speaker 3: You can get it new for fifteen bucks. And apparently
Speaker 3: it's doing well. It's got like twelve hundred and four
Speaker 3: point seven star ratings. And like you know, when you
Speaker 3: talk about spelling, right, the worst spell is right in there, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, it's a lot. I kind of lost my
Speaker 1: train of thought. I was going to say something else
Speaker 1: about about that, but I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, while you remember that, I should let the folks
Speaker 3: know that, you know, this thing with Nilda grass Tyson
Speaker 3: and all this sorcery about the earth spinning, it's been
Speaker 3: going on for years. So this was from NFL dot
Speaker 3: com from October twelfth, twenty fifteen, and it talks about
Speaker 3: Sunday's improbable twenty seven to twenty four victory came with
Speaker 3: many reasons and explanations. Famed astrophysicist doctor Neilda Grass Tyson
Speaker 3: gives partial credit to science. He says that Mike Nugent's
Speaker 3: forty two year old I'm sorry for forty two yard
Speaker 3: game winning field goal pinballed off the left upright for
Speaker 3: the win, which Tyson says was aided by the Earth's
Speaker 3: coriolist force. So you know, he drops these things in
Speaker 3: and while to some of us it's nonsense, but when
Speaker 3: people read this, just like whether you hear a pilot
Speaker 3: mentioned something, these things do get cataloged in your brain.
Speaker 3: And I think this is part of the reason why
Speaker 3: people are so stigmatized when you bring it up, because
Speaker 3: these stories about the Earth's rotation helping Cincinnati Bengals, when
Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen that they are back there and your
Speaker 3: subconscious remembers these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've just been implanting things in your mind for
Speaker 1: all these years, you know, little pieces. I mean, just
Speaker 1: like when you see the beginning of movies like the
Speaker 1: World the Globe and it is everywhere, and you've mentioned
Speaker 1: that a lot, but one of the things In this book,
Speaker 1: it talks about the word world, you know, and that
Speaker 1: it actually means it comes from world, meaning to turn around,
Speaker 1: to spin. It's basically related to spinning and turning. And
Speaker 1: I think when I, you know, when I say world,
Speaker 1: if I if I use the word world over text message,
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes it'll offer you the emoji.
Speaker 3: It'll show the globe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then I'm I'm like, well, no, I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to use that. But it was always
Speaker 1: something about that word world is I don't really like
Speaker 1: to use it that much anymore. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's because I figured out the meaning. I must
Speaker 1: have read this a while back when I first got
Speaker 1: the book, because it's in the first couple of pages.
Speaker 1: I probably read that. And ever since then, I feel
Speaker 1: kind of hesitant to use that word because it seems
Speaker 1: like the wrong word right to.
Speaker 3: Use absolutely, And people give me grief on my other
Speaker 3: podcast if I'm reading an article and it has the
Speaker 3: word globalist, you know, Alex Jones, like it's the globalist. Like,
Speaker 3: you can't say globalist, George, you have a podcast about
Speaker 3: flat earth. You can't say globe, Like, dude, I'm just
Speaker 3: reading this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. Yeah, it's pretty it's it's a lot of information,
Speaker 1: but I'm very grateful that that I have all this
Speaker 1: information and to learn. I mean, I have I don't
Speaker 1: know how many books I have that hundred proofs that
Speaker 1: the Earth is not a globe book. I haven't been
Speaker 1: able to get a hold of the sixteen Emergency Landings.
Speaker 1: I've been looking for it and haven't been able to
Speaker 1: find a place to buy it from.
Speaker 3: But it's hard to find. Eddie. Yeah, he doesn't always
Speaker 3: have it up, but he offers it in PDF, and
Speaker 3: I just emailed it to you, so you have a
Speaker 3: PDF copy at least.
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you so much.
Speaker 3: And for everybody else it'll be in the show notes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you know, I have Behold a Pale Horse,
Speaker 1: you know, Bill Cooper's book. I haven't read it yet,
Speaker 1: but I mean that's who you play clips of right
Speaker 1: on your other podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of our classic audio comes from Bill.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was gonna mention you had another guest talk
Speaker 1: about how Bill got a little irritated angrier towards the
Speaker 1: end so he had stopped listening to him as much.
Speaker 1: And then you guys kind of laughed about it, but
Speaker 1: you played on one clip where he was taking phone
Speaker 1: calls and there was a guest that called in. He
Speaker 1: was trying to talk to him about chem trails, and
Speaker 1: he was getting so mad because he kept saying, you know, no,
Speaker 1: these are contrails, and he's explaining exactly what they are,
Speaker 1: the condensation in the sky, and he was just having
Speaker 1: none of it. And I just thought that was so
Speaker 1: interesting for somebody that thought about everything else one way,
Speaker 1: but he just was not having it about the chem trails.
Speaker 3: But do you remember that, Yeah, Oh absolutely. He fried
Speaker 3: a lot of people on the telephones. Jim Fencer is
Speaker 3: the same way. God bless his soul. He is very
Speaker 3: I mean he's eighty three and he still does a
Speaker 3: radio show every day, and I agree with him, you know,
Speaker 3: ninety five percent of the things. But he won't even
Speaker 3: you try to call him and talk about flutter. They'll
Speaker 3: just row you up and hang up on you. That's
Speaker 3: just you know, some people, but they're just so brilliant
Speaker 3: on other things. And I think that's all of us, right,
Speaker 3: We all don't one hundred percent agree with each other,
Speaker 3: but there's so much, such great nuggets to take away
Speaker 3: from Bill. You kind of overlook the other things. And honestly,
Speaker 3: I can see. You know, my grandfather as he got older,
Speaker 3: he became shorter tempered and didn't want to deal with
Speaker 3: I don't know when he use this term, but you know,
Speaker 3: just things. You know, I guess you had a shorter fuse.
Speaker 3: You just don't want to tolerate things that you consider
Speaker 3: silly or you know what I mean, ridiculous. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: as I get older and I'm in this, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's just like geez in a way, I can understand
Speaker 3: why Bill did get a little frustrated towards the end,
Speaker 3: because you know, he could see some things, especially His
Speaker 3: most famous broadcast was June June twenty eighth, two thousand
Speaker 3: and one, and that was the day CNN aired the
Speaker 3: interview with Osama bin Laden and he come on the
Speaker 3: air and said, so you're telling me the greatest military,
Speaker 3: the greatest intelligence in the world couldn't find Osama bin Laden,
Speaker 3: but a CNN reporter could, right, And he said, he said, folks,
Speaker 3: you better buckle up. Something's coming. And about you know,
Speaker 3: nine weeks later, nine to eleven happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he is pretty brilliant. And I listened
Speaker 1: to that and it was funny to me. But also,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's on their own journey absolutely truth and
Speaker 1: what and what they're learning, so as I didn't hold
Speaker 1: it against him or anything. I just thought it was
Speaker 1: really interesting that he was so adamant about that that
Speaker 1: point when you know, let's fast forward to twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four and we all know what's going on in the sky.
Speaker 1: But I mean this was a while ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's something I wonder, like, if he was
Speaker 3: alive today, what would his take on things be, because
Speaker 3: I think kemptrails really came to prevalence not until the nineties,
Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken, So at that point it was
Speaker 3: still a fairly new, if you will air quote conspiracy theory.
Speaker 3: I would be really interested interested to see what his
Speaker 3: thoughts would be on so many things. Unfortunately, he was
Speaker 3: assassinated seven weeks after nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: Oh really, I didn't realize.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Guy Fawkes Day, November fifth, two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: He was shot by an Arizona sheriff.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I do need I need to read his book.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I have a lot of books, whether
Speaker 1: it's a vaccine or I don't know if you've read
Speaker 1: the book Chaos.
Speaker 3: I have it. I haven't read it, but you know
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's just all really fascinating. And another
Speaker 1: great book about polio is The Moth in the Iron
Speaker 1: Lung and that's a really fascinating book about kind of
Speaker 1: the history of polio and when it started back in
Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds in the first cases, and just I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just written so well to where it
Speaker 1: really makes you think. But they're able to not through
Speaker 1: you know, He's just able to kind of place the evidence,
Speaker 1: just kind of tell it how it was in the history,
Speaker 1: and then you can kind of think about it for yourself,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: And which book was that?
Speaker 1: That's The Moth in the Irons?
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, Forrest Maretti, gotcha, ye.
Speaker 1: Yes, yep. Yeah, because it's so interesting to realize that
Speaker 1: that so many of these diseases started to decrease, you know,
Speaker 1: before the vaccines were even released.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of these disease went away because of
Speaker 3: indoor plumbing, simple things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: books that I have to read, but I'm grateful and
Speaker 1: every time you have a guest on this podcast, I
Speaker 1: learned something something new, or I go to order another book, or.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, my rooms full of the books. I need
Speaker 3: to take a year off so I could catch up
Speaker 3: on all of them. And we are running short on
Speaker 3: time a little bit. Was there anything else that you
Speaker 3: wanted to touch on that you haven't had an opportunity yet.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean no, I think we covered we covered
Speaker 1: a lot, you know. I just I'm so appreciative of
Speaker 1: you for this podcast is very brave and it's just
Speaker 1: really neat how it's reached so many people all over
Speaker 1: the world. You know, you have the guests from Australia,
Speaker 1: from England and then all of the United States, and
Speaker 1: you know, I know you always give the guests the
Speaker 1: last word, but I guess I just wanted to say
Speaker 1: thank you to all of the people that have come
Speaker 1: on this podcast because they had I know, you had
Speaker 1: another guest one time say that they felt like this
Speaker 1: podcast was kind of like their church. They would listen
Speaker 1: to it and you know, listening to people's testimonies and
Speaker 1: their stories was really helpful for them. And I kind
Speaker 1: of felt the same way when they said that. So
Speaker 1: I'm just, you know, really appreciative of all your guests
Speaker 1: and of you, so thank you well.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, and I appreciate your time and
Speaker 3: your emails. And again for folks listening, if you'd like
Speaker 3: to reach out to Kara her email address, it'll be
Speaker 3: on the blog post on the website when we post it. Well,
Speaker 3: it'll be posted by the time you hear this, and
Speaker 3: it'll be in the show notes for you know, the
Speaker 3: show notes in the podcast. So if something resonates with you,
Speaker 3: if you'd like to reach out to Kara, please do so.
Speaker 3: And Kara, it's been a wonderful conversation. I have so
Speaker 3: many notes, and I thank you for reminding me of
Speaker 3: these books. So I got to go spend another thirty
Speaker 3: forty dollars tonight to put the books in a line,
Speaker 3: which I probably won't get to till later. But that's okay.
Speaker 3: I think it's important. And I know I've said this before,
Speaker 3: and I know I deep bed dead horse sometimes, but
Speaker 3: it's so important this day and age. You know, part
Speaker 3: of my required reading in college was Fahrenheit four fifty one,
Speaker 3: and there is a sense of a digital book burning now.
Speaker 3: For instance, if you get Bill Cooper's book off of
Speaker 3: Amazon right now, behold a pel Horse, chapter fifteen will
Speaker 3: not be in there. And there's many other books that
Speaker 3: have been removed from all together from Amazon right, many
Speaker 3: truth or books because it goes against the agenda. And certainly,
Speaker 3: if you wrote a book about vaccines or COVID, chances
Speaker 3: are your book wasn't even allowed on Amazon over the
Speaker 3: last few years. So it's very important that you print
Speaker 3: or you buy these things. So if it's all about
Speaker 3: knowledge and that's their game, they want to keep us,
Speaker 3: you know, not enlightened. They want to be enlightened. Henceforth
Speaker 3: Illuminati that type of thing. It's very important to pass
Speaker 3: this knowledge, not just to garner it yourself, pardon me,
Speaker 3: but to pass that knowledge down to your children, and
Speaker 3: they pass it down to their their children as well.
Speaker 3: That's Otherwise we just take the winner of the wars
Speaker 3: and their history and we just accept it for what
Speaker 3: it is. And we landed on the moon, and the
Speaker 3: good guys win every single war, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 3: et cetera. So there you go. Thank you so much, Carrots.
Speaker 3: It was wonderful to meet you, and I wish you
Speaker 3: all the best in the future.
Speaker 1: Thank you you too. George.
Speaker 3: Ladies and gentlemen. This concludes this podcast, and thank you
Speaker 3: so much again Caara for joining us, and again, if
Speaker 3: you'd like to join the podcast, please send us an email.
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Speaker 3: website and say hello blat Earth the flat Earth Files
Speaker 3: pardon me, the Flatterthfiles dot com for Kara. I'm George.
Speaker 3: I hope everybody has a great week. Keep your head
Speaker 3: on a swivel, and until we meet again, my friends,
Speaker 3: we will see you.
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