WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.160 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:29.399 When you look on the sky, do you feel the poll? 3 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:32.520 The question why. 4 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:40.000 The stories told and left behind in shadows? 5 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:42.640 Where the truth we find? 6 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:50.679 They built their tails on grafts and lives on theories. 7 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:57.359 They stake their designed put down here. 8 00:00:56.600 --> 00:01:03.719 On this solid ground, the answer screen. They're all around, 9 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:12.040 Rise and break through all the lies, no flatter. 10 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:17.200 Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's 11 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:20.519 time for another edition of the flat Earth Files podcast. 12 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:23.239 I'm your host is always George Hobbs. I hope everybody 13 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.519 had a great week as we approach the holiday season. 14 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:30.319 I hope everybody is doing well and in good health. 15 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.680 Is you know, our family and our friends certainly have 16 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:35.959 had our share of the cough and you know, the 17 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.719 sniffles over the last week or so, so hopefully everybody's 18 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:41.319 doing well. A couple quick notes before we bring on 19 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:44.879 today's guest, Kara. Please do stop by the website. It 20 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:48.680 is theflat earthfiles dot Com. Check out the chat room, 21 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:51.920 the forum. All of our blog posts are all there 22 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:54.480 in one spot for you. It is the flat Earthfiles 23 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:57.519 dot Com. 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It's Kara. Kara, 35 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:37.120 how are you doing today? 36 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:38.800 I'm good? How are you? 37 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:41.000 We are doing great and it's a pleasure to have 38 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:43.280 you on tonight, and I thank you for your time 39 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.280 and being willing to share your story. So please do 40 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:48.919 take the time out and introduce yourself to the audience. 41 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:56.240 Okay, my name is Kara. I am forty four years old, 42 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:01.319 born on October thirteenth. You recently talked to somebody about 43 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:04.919 that date that just popped in my head, and I 44 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:06.560 was like, oh, I got to check that out too, 45 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:10.800 because you did say AOC that was a little disappointing. 46 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:14.719 Well, my wife's birthday is Hillary Clinton's birthday, so there 47 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:15.080 you go. 48 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:21.479 Yeah, so I'm a single parent. I have a fourteen 49 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:25.599 year old son. I grew up in all Pass so 50 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:28.120 I wasn't actually born here, but I grew up here 51 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:31.960 and lived here till high school. I moved away for 52 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:36.919 ten years and then ended up back here. But while 53 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:39.319 I was growing up, I grew up Methodist. We went 54 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:44.599 to church every Sunday, and I did Confirmation at the 55 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:48.120 confirmation age. I was in the youth group, youth choir 56 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:54.599 actually went on a youth trip. And I remember after 57 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.919 one of my youth trips, I got home and I 58 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:00.520 was talking to my parents in their room. I'm an child, 59 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:05.039 It's just me and my parents, and I was telling 60 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:07.960 them about I was asking about my friends, you know, 61 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:09.520 that didn't go to church or weren't part of the 62 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:13.400 youth group. And I said, you know, well, if they 63 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:16.439 don't believe in God, if they don't accept Jesus into 64 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:18.399 their heart, that means, you know, they're going to hell. 65 00:04:18.560 --> 00:04:21.079 But you know is that that's what's going to happen. 66 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:23.319 And I was asking them all these questions and I 67 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:26.759 guess I kind of worried them a little bit, you know. 68 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:32.319 They I guess they didn't want me to think that way. 69 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:34.879 So we kind of stopped going to church. This is 70 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:38.600 probably I want to say, middle school, early high school. 71 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:40.720 So we stopped going as much. They kind of decided 72 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:42.800 to pull back a little. Maybe they thought I was 73 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:46.279 I don't know what that thought they thought in deep 74 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:49.279 I mean, it's not the wrong way to think, you know, 75 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:53.279 now that I'm older, I understand, but thinking back, I 76 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:55.600 think that freaks them out a little bit. And so 77 00:04:55.600 --> 00:05:01.600 we stopped going to church as much. I high school 78 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:06.120 was I mean, I was good in high school, but 79 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:09.319 I did drink in high school, and college had plenty 80 00:05:09.399 --> 00:05:14.639 of access drinking, you could say, in those years, early twenties. 81 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:18.600 I went to college in Fort Worth. Actually you said 82 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:20.600 you lived near Laco. 83 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:22.759 Yeah, it was about two hours south of Fort Worth. 84 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:26.319 Yeah. So I did go to TCU. 85 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:27.519 Go there, you go. 86 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:31.680 Yeah, and it's a Christian school, you know, but it 87 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:34.160 really wasn't a Christian school. I mean, all you had 88 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:37.000 to do was take you know, either a Bible class 89 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:43.199 or a World religion class. It wasn't like it wasn't 90 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:45.639 really like Christianity was a part of the school. 91 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:47.480 So it wasn't like you know many of our children 92 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.759 who go to private Christian schools, like where every Wednesday 93 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:53.399 there's actual chapel that didn't include like chapel as part 94 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:56.639 of your weekly Uh no, really interesting. 95 00:05:56.879 --> 00:05:59.920 No, No, I mean it was just like any other college. Really. 96 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:04.439 I would say sororities, which you know, I was part 97 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:08.759 of a sorority, did all that. I played sports in 98 00:06:08.839 --> 00:06:11.600 high school. But you know, college was just I didn't 99 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:14.120 know what I wanted to do in college. I had 100 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:19.920 no idea. I ended up doing art. I ended up 101 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:24.519 getting a degree in graphic design actually, and when I graduated, 102 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:27.279 there really weren't any jobs. It was two thousand and 103 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:30.759 two in the job market was really bad. I think 104 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.519 I sent out one hundred resumes, couldn't find a job, 105 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:41.120 and ended up randomly moving to northern New Mexico with 106 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.959 my boyfriend at the time. We just three of us 107 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:47.920 just up and decided to move to northern New Mexico 108 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:52.160 and see what was going on over there. And it 109 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:56.319 was beautiful, beautiful place. It made me fall in love 110 00:06:56.360 --> 00:07:04.680 with four seasons, with snow, with everything nature. I did 111 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:11.199 photography over there, I am, you know, kind of. I 112 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:16.040 did seasonal jobs, so I really wasn't making a living 113 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:19.360 and I wasn't really able to support myself doing any 114 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:23.959 of that. And of course in your early twenties, I 115 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.759 guess you just I don't know what it is about 116 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.759 the twenties. Not for everybody, of course, but for a 117 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:35.120 lot of people, it's just like you're not supposed to 118 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:37.360 believe in God or something. It's just supposed to be 119 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.959 like spiritual. People ask you, do you believe in God? 120 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:43.480 And oh, I'm spiritual, you know. I remember that was 121 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:47.920 the answer, and I knew deep down that I did. 122 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:53.000 But for some reason, I don't know, you just kind 123 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:58.519 of fall away. Not everybody, but some people. And I 124 00:07:58.519 --> 00:07:59.879 don't know if you ever listened. 125 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:03.680 To can Owens occasionally, she certainly pops up on my 126 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:04.480 social media. 127 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:10.360 Yeah, she she said. She brought up the point that, 128 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:13.399 you know, after World War Two, it was like, you know, 129 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:16.079 the Bible was pulled out of the classroom. Everything kind 130 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:19.560 of changed, and everything was sort of shifted to making 131 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:22.360 people not believe that there is a God, you know, 132 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:25.639 and that it's just it's just spiritual and there's nothing 133 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:29.879 that there's nothing really that created us and our grandparents. 134 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:35.200 They grew up an entirely different way, and then all 135 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:38.919 of a sudden, in two generations later, you find yourself 136 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:42.279 in your twenties and it's like, not, you're just not 137 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:45.039 supposed to believe in God, I guess, which is just 138 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:46.879 strange to me to think now, but that's kind of 139 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:51.639 how it was. And I took a rafting trip when 140 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:54.240 I lived out there, through the Grand Canyon of the 141 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.879 two week rafting trip, which is a pretty rare experience. 142 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:00.960 It was, it was a great ex experience, but I 143 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:04.679 remember that everybody who went on that trip, they would 144 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:07.600 always say that when they were on the river and 145 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:11.799 the Grand Canyon, they always realized how small they were 146 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:16.039 in comparison to everything, like they felt so small, and 147 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:20.000 that just never resonated with me. I never I never 148 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:23.879 understood that. It just wasn't something that I thought. And 149 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:28.320 now that I understand more, you know, I realized that 150 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:31.080 we all have a purpose. We're just not one spec 151 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:36.000 in the universe. We're we're not insignificant. And that's what 152 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:40.480 these people would say was significant to them when they 153 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:44.960 were in such a huge place and beautiful place, they 154 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.320 felt small and insignificant. And I don't think and I 155 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.679 never agreed with that. I didn't really know why, but 156 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.559 I don't think that that's true. And I and now 157 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:59.200 I know why. I never felt like that because you know, 158 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:04.159 think we're connected to everything in nature and we're not 159 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:05.799 small and insignificant, you know. 160 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:09.960 Right, And that's part of Big Bang evolution. You're just 161 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:13.559 a spec in a timeline of billions of years. You're insignificant. 162 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:16.720 It's really great points. And just to touch on a 163 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:19.399 few things you've mentioned already, you know, I grew up 164 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:22.200 in the mid Atlantic region. I always growing up had 165 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:25.480 the four seasons. And when I got my orders in 166 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:28.080 nineteen ninety eight to go to Hawaii, I was so excited, 167 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:30.799 you know, you know from TV you're just thinking about 168 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:32.639 living on the beach. But when it came to be 169 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:37.840 Thanksgiving and Christmas time and it's eighty two degrees, it 170 00:10:37.960 --> 00:10:40.639 just didn't feel like that time of the year. Didn't 171 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:43.159 feel like the season. You know. There's something about you know, 172 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:45.679 they talk about terrain theory and where you grew up, 173 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:49.879 and I never felt at home in Texas. I never 174 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:54.360 felt at home in all the different various places, Colorado 175 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:57.279 was probably the closest it did have four seasons and 176 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:01.960 it was beautiful. But you know, you know when I 177 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:04.440 finally came home and it's like your body's like, this 178 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:07.759 is what it was adapted to. Yeah, and I just 179 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:09.600 really enjoy the four seasons. 180 00:11:10.720 --> 00:11:14.559 Yeah, it's something that I miss and why I don't 181 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.639 feel at home here now. You know, I still like 182 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.960 this is not where I'm going to end up. I 183 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.360 feel like I need to be somewhere with the four seasons. 184 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:27.240 And you know, I think the changes are important. Sometimes 185 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:29.399 I'll be driving down the road and I'll be like, wait, 186 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:33.200 what month is it. I'll get confused all of a 187 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:37.480 sudden because it's eighty degrees, but it's you know, I 188 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:42.720 don't know, well October, it's November. And I think that 189 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.080 the changes are really important because it allows you to 190 00:11:46.120 --> 00:11:50.080 go through changes, and it's just a part of us. 191 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:52.960 We're supposed to change from season to season and move 192 00:11:53.120 --> 00:11:54.600 through the year. You know. 193 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:56.639 IM same with all the animals. You know, we have 194 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.519 chickens and come October November, they molt, they lose their 195 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:04.000 their feathers, they get new ones in. You know. It's 196 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:06.799 just that that's how I was brought up, and I 197 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:10.639 never felt comfortable anywhere else until I did come home Texas. 198 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.320 Just I remember doing I had a workshop in my 199 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.399 garage in July. I'd be out there trying to you know, 200 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:19.639 sand some antique and it would be like one hundred 201 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:23.559 and ten degrees. I'm like, I just can't do this anymore. So, 202 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:25.480 you know, I do hope you find if you're able 203 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:27.879 to find someplace that does have four seasons, and it's 204 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:30.080 to you know, to have snow and at the same 205 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:32.360 time to have summer. It's just so awesome to me. 206 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:37.159 Something that you touched on post World War two is 207 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:42.600 when they you know, people say that the separation of 208 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:46.080 church and state really started, and what that was it 209 00:12:46.120 --> 00:12:51.200 was a subliminal, subconscious message that man's law usurps God's law. 210 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:54.840 And you know, you go back to the sixteen seventeen hundreds, 211 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:59.559 early seventeen hundreds, the Bible and God's Word was the 212 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:05.559 base of education. Something I just found recently. Actually, if 213 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:08.519 you go back to the Treaty of Tripoli, article eleven, 214 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:14.200 it talks about how I'll just read it directly as 215 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:17.120 the government of the United States of America is not 216 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:21.399 in any sense founded on the Christian religion and This 217 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.240 document is from seventeen eighty six, so we're talking the 218 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:26.960 Constitution where we're told, you know, that this is a 219 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:29.679 Christian nation, and then nine years later in the Treaty 220 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:33.799 of Tripoli, an American document that completely states that, oh no, no, 221 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.960 we're not really founded on religion. Is really eye opening 222 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.240 and the more you learn about these things, you wonder, 223 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:44.720 you know, these historical figures, what was their real agenda? 224 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:57.559 Yeah. It also, you know, that's kind of when this 225 00:13:57.720 --> 00:14:00.919 humanism and idea that you know, there's not that you know, 226 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:04.960 we are God, people start worshiping themselves. 227 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:06.360 Yeah. 228 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:10.480 I think that's kind of when all of that started 229 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:16.679 giving people an idea that, yeah, that that they don't 230 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:21.080 need a god to worship, worship, it's not real humanism, 231 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:21.960 all that stuff. 232 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:25.320 Uh, you want to talk a little bit about your 233 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:28.080 journey to the truth. I could tell early in your 234 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:32.159 introduction that you were always an inquisitive person. You're always 235 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:34.000 thinking about things when you when you talk to your 236 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:37.320 parents about your friends and if they didn't believe in God. 237 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.360 Was there a certain point, a certain time where you 238 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:46.360 started to maybe realize that the world wasn't exactly as 239 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:49.600 it was described through you know, mainstream media and our 240 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:50.279 history books. 241 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:55.039 Well, I mean, one of the things that just never 242 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:59.519 made sense to me was and you can hear me, okay, yeah, 243 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:03.759 you're doing okay. It just never made sense to me 244 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:06.320 when I thought about the universe, you know, the Earth, 245 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:08.840 and then I would think about space, and I think 246 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:13.080 about the universe and how it's supposed to be infinite, 247 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:15.399 and so my mind would just start going, going, going, 248 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:18.159 and I'm like, how is so, where is God in this? 249 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.799 How is he supposed to be? And it would kind 250 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:23.919 of just blow my mind. It never made sense ever. 251 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:27.279 And one of the coolest things was probably two three 252 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:31.600 years ago, my son was sitting at the kitchen table 253 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:35.240 and he literally said the exact same thing that I've 254 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:38.120 always thought. He said, you know, it doesn't make any 255 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:41.039 sense that there's the Earth and then there's the universe. 256 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:43.759 How does God go on top of that? And I 257 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.399 was like, oh, my gosh, that's exactly what I've been 258 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:50.600 wondering this whole time. Where it was just something that 259 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:56.919 it just didn't make any sense. But I started, I mean, 260 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.960 once I moved back here to Alpasso, I went to 261 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:06.120 nursing school and then graduated, started working, ended up getting 262 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:14.519 pregnant having my son. And there was a girl in 263 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:19.639 my nursing class and he her husband had lung cancer. 264 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:23.039 Young in his thirties, no, in his twenties, I'm sorry, 265 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:26.159 very young, you know, not a smoker, just a really 266 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:28.679 unfortunate thing. And they had I think they had two 267 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:34.000 kids already, but you know, towards the end, he was 268 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:37.240 on chemo. It was clear that you know, he wasn't 269 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:43.279 going to live, and it was really sad. But after 270 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:46.919 he passed, she found out that she was pregnant, and 271 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:50.360 I just remember that was just one of the most 272 00:16:51.320 --> 00:16:53.919 I mean to me, I thought, how could there not 273 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:58.000 be a god? I mean, everybody said there was no 274 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:01.440 way that he would be able to, you know, make 275 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:03.759 a baby because he was on chemo and all the 276 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:07.599 meds and everything, and somehow God gave them this gift 277 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:11.680 and she was pregnant. You know, afterwards, that story just 278 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:17.279 always stays with me because, like I said, I just 279 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:20.799 don't see how there could not be a god, you know, 280 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:24.839 when something that something like that happens for me. But 281 00:17:29.079 --> 00:17:33.880 you know, even so my story, I was actually adopted. 282 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:41.359 My parents couldn't have kids, and they they were told 283 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:44.240 it was going to be about two years to get 284 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:49.440 a baby. Back in the nineteen eighties, and they were 285 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:53.839 living in Missouri and my mom was working and he 286 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:56.680 was working at a hotel at the time. For some reason, 287 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:59.279 I've read a story so many times and I can 288 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:04.960 never get the d don't exactly right. But she ended 289 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:07.599 up talking to somebody. It turns out that that somebody 290 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:09.599 that she worked with, the manager or something, happened to 291 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:12.559 be on the adoption board, and so he took their 292 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:14.440 name and he moved their name all the way to 293 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:16.279 the front of the list, the top of the list. 294 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:19.920 And so they basically got a call, you know, not 295 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:23.720 long after, with no preparation, no idea. You know, they 296 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:27.000 were thinking two years. They were like, oh, we have 297 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:31.480 a baby for you. And they were like what So 298 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:37.079 I was only four years old and they didn't have anything, No, 299 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:42.759 no diapers, no, I mean nothing. But that story, of course, 300 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:46.200 is a little amazing in itself when you think about it. 301 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.599 But I mean, those are so I mean, those are 302 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:54.119 two little stories that that I feel, and there's millions 303 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:57.599 of stories like that. Where so how could there how 304 00:18:57.640 --> 00:18:59.960 could these things happen if there wasn't a higher power 305 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:04.759 there wasn't God there, you know, helping you through these 306 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:09.440 moments and putting these opportunities and things in your life. 307 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:14.079 So anyway, there's that. So that was kind of moving 308 00:19:14.119 --> 00:19:19.039 me a little closer. That was nursing school, and so 309 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:21.960 I worked in the hospital for a few years, and 310 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.400 then in twenty seventeen I decided to go do flight nursing. 311 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:30.359 So I went and did flight nursing. And we had pilot, 312 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:35.880 great guy, and he was a flat earther, really, and yeah, 313 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:39.559 and we all knew it. And I remember one time 314 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:41.079 we were in a flight you know, it's a small 315 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:43.680 plane of pilatus. It was a plane, not a helicopter 316 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:47.440 that I mostly flew in. And I remember one time 317 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:50.319 it was me in the paramedic and the pilot. We 318 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:52.799 were flying back and we were just talking and we 319 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:57.079 were just giving him so much trouble about him thinking 320 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:59.839 that the Earth was but yeah, we were just like 321 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:02.920 this is ridiculous, you know, what do you mean? I mean, 322 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:05.839 just did not believe a word of it. And I 323 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.319 remember I think we when I got back, actually went 324 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:12.519 and I googled or YouTube flat Earth, and of course, 325 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:14.319 like you know, the first thing that came up was 326 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:17.759 the Flat Earth Society, and so I'm looking at it 327 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:19.839 and I'm like, well, yeah, this is just the weirdest 328 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:24.000 thing I've ever heard. Yeah, and so whatever, like, I 329 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:28.079 went along. But one thing was he was very he 330 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:32.240 he was a Christian, He read the Bible. He was 331 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:36.680 very you know, I just knew he was a Christian 332 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:38.960 who read the Bible. And then I also knew that 333 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:41.960 he thought the Earth was flat. And so fast forward 334 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:46.599 a few years and just over social media, people that 335 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:50.559 I follow just well, I guess if I back up 336 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:53.359 to around twenty twenty was when I started to kind 337 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:59.160 of question things. And then it was a couple of 338 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:02.559 years later, probably the beginning of last year or the 339 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:06.839 end of twenty twenty two. I had started to see 340 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:11.519 people that I follow touch on flat Earth and they 341 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:13.920 were also Christians and they also read the Bible. And 342 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:17.720 so it took me back to you know, our pilot friend, 343 00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:24.319 and I thought, maybe there's something to this because these 344 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:29.000 connections that I was making, and I just started looking 345 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:32.119 into it and I actually found your podcast right away. 346 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:38.119 I searched flat Earth i think on Apple for Spotify. 347 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:39.039 I came up right away. 348 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:43.000 Wow, that's amazing. How Yeah, one podcast gets completely hidden. 349 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.200 Yeah, and I've I've heard a lot of people say 350 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.839 that too. They searched flat earth on your on your show, 351 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:51.480 and they say, I searched it and it just came 352 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:51.880 right up. 353 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:54.160 That's amazing. How for some people it just shows up 354 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:55.119 in others it doesn't. 355 00:21:56.079 --> 00:22:00.400 Yeah. So I started listening. Was very overwhelming first, a 356 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:03.880 lot of information, a lot of things that I didn't understand. Yeah, 357 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:10.759 But the more I listened, the more I looked into it. 358 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:15.039 And then the other thing was that I mentioned it 359 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:17.160 to my son and I just mentioned a couple of 360 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:20.440 things to him and he was like, oh, yeah, it's 361 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:25.599 flat So he was just like on ward right away. 362 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:27.319 I mean I think I told him two or three 363 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:29.720 things and he was just like, oh, yeah, that makes sense, 364 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:32.240 that makes sense. And I'm like, okay, yeah. 365 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:34.480 And if you were to take two people who were 366 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:39.240 never taught anything whatsoever, right, they weren't taught about anything scientific, 367 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:42.359 you know, and at the age of fifteen for the 368 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:46.240 first time, you introduce both theories to them, which one 369 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:47.480 do you think they're going to agree with? 370 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:51.960 I would hope it would be the flat exactly. 371 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:52.200 Yeah. 372 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:54.640 I mean, wait a minute, we're not on a ball spinning. 373 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:57.799 What are you talking about? It's just you know, the 374 00:22:57.839 --> 00:23:02.400 propaganda and the main tricks is meant to keep people confused. 375 00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:05.240 And they say, if you tell a lie big enough, 376 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:07.240 people will believe it, and that this is one heck 377 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:07.880 of a lie. 378 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:14.720 It is, and you know, we're kind of taught not 379 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:18.839 to not to question anything. So if I if I 380 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:22.119 think back, you know, you'd ask a question and they 381 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.400 just give you, give you an answer about it, and 382 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:27.240 then it's like you're just supposed to go on, you know, 383 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.759 like not critically think about it or anything. Like all 384 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:33.359 the examples of oh, well, why doesn't wire stick to 385 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:37.599 a wall? And you know, well gravity, Oh okay, and 386 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:40.319 then you just move on, right, And we're just kind 387 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:43.480 of trained to react that way. Oh, I'm going to 388 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:45.400 give you this one answer and then we're going to 389 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:50.200 move on instead of saying, well that doesn't make it. 390 00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:52.599 Yeah, let's go back and test that theory. How refreshing 391 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:54.559 would it be to have a science teacher to say that, 392 00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.319 let's go back and test some of these theories. But no, 393 00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:59.880 the textbook says, and this is how we have to teach, 394 00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:03.680 which is really again, it's the system is what the 395 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:04.480 problem is. 396 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:10.279 Yeah, And so we sometimes go out camping to a 397 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:13.880 place in Utah at this glamping site and they'll do 398 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:18.319 astronomy tours. And it was I think it was actually 399 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:21.720 in May of twenty two, so maybe I maybe I 400 00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:24.480 was coming to this a little sooner than I thought. 401 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:28.759