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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everybody, Welcome to me buck Eye Weekly Podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Gerdaman here as always with Tom or Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>How's it going.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye, I've been out of town, missed the first couple

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<v Speaker 3>of Ohiosday practices. Thankfully back back home back ready to

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<v Speaker 3>go to practice number three. But before we get there,

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<v Speaker 3>I hear you have some calm, measured and well reasoned

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<v Speaker 3>thoughts on what I have missed the first two days.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait to hear all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, calm, well reasoned. That is why I'm calling them overreactions.

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<v Speaker 1>And this first show we're gonna talk about my defensive overreactions,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the second show we'll talk about the offensive

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<v Speaker 1>overreactions defensively and the great thing about overreacting. At this point,

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen two practices, no pads, no tackling, very limited

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of what they're putting on the field in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of scheme. But hey, as I'm writing over at

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<v Speaker 1>Buckeinsiders dot com right now about this very topic, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you need to have bravery. Sometimes you need to be courageous,

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<v Speaker 1>and you need to step out there and let people

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<v Speaker 1>know what might be happening. And if it doesn't, I

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<v Speaker 1>already warned myself that this is like not a thing

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<v Speaker 1>you should do. So with that all being said, tom

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<v Speaker 1>My first overreaction here is I'm not sure that Christian

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<v Speaker 1>Legro is going to leave the field now. In the

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<v Speaker 1>three linebacker sets he's playing on a line of scrimmage

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<v Speaker 1>at SAM and two linebacker sets, he's right next to

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<v Speaker 1>Peyton Pierce at will, which leads me to speculate, overreact, react,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps perhaps underreact really that he's going to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the field a bunch and he's he's playing both spots,

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<v Speaker 1>just as R. Val Reice did. Tom, I don't recall

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<v Speaker 1>how much did R. Val Reese leave the field last year.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't much. And again I'm not saying Christian Aleegro

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<v Speaker 1>is R val Reice. I'm saying it looks like he's

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<v Speaker 1>playing that same position.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's interesting because he was someone where we were

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<v Speaker 3>sort of, you know, felt like you knew what Peyton

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<v Speaker 3>Pierce was and everything else was going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of a mystery.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I'm I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Still very intrigued to see Riley Petty John on Saturday

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<v Speaker 3>because I and I have heard some good things about

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<v Speaker 3>him early on, which you know that that's going to

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<v Speaker 3>probably be a factor in terms of who's playing, how

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<v Speaker 3>much and where. But I'm not shocked to hear that

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<v Speaker 3>Allegro is doing a lot of different stuff because he

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<v Speaker 3>did a lot of different stuff at Wisconsin as well,

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<v Speaker 3>and he comes in he is in a room that

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<v Speaker 3>is on the younger side. Peyton Pierce would be his

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<v Speaker 3>first year as a full time starter, and guys like

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<v Speaker 3>Riley Petty John, TJ. Alfred, they were true freshman last year.

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<v Speaker 3>Christian Legro kind of is the old head in that room,

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<v Speaker 3>even though he's new to Ohio States. So I guess

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<v Speaker 3>that's not a huge surprise that he would potentially be

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<v Speaker 3>someone who would be very very high on the list

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<v Speaker 3>of guys in terms of snapcounts this year.

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<v Speaker 1>The first day, the first practice, I really only saw

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<v Speaker 1>Riley Petty John Sam on the line of scrimmage and

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<v Speaker 1>right there attached. On the second day he was now

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<v Speaker 1>off the ball as well, playing that well, showing that

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<v Speaker 1>they are cross training in which was to be expected.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they do with TJ. Alfred did it in

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<v Speaker 1>the spring as well, and so Peyton Pierce talked about

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<v Speaker 1>how they want everybody to be able to do that

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<v Speaker 1>or most of the guys because Peyton Pierce isn't doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>Garrett Stover isn't doing it, like the truth that the

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<v Speaker 1>MIC's and the defense aren't doing it. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I've seen Eli Lee doing it. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>i've seen Sincere Johnson doing it. So but if you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna play Will, they kind of also want you to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to play Sam, I think a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Riley Petty John. I'm fascinated to see where

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<v Speaker 1>he falls into there because he's going to play somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>like he's going to be in there at times. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say the same thing for tj Alford because right

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<v Speaker 1>now tj Alford is running with the ones when they

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<v Speaker 1>have three linebackers. He's the will when they have three linebackers.

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<v Speaker 1>It just feels to me like somehow, some way, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's Alfred and Petty John rotating or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think Christian Legro is going to be out

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<v Speaker 1>there a lot. But I also think they want to

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<v Speaker 1>play those two young guys because if you don't, you

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<v Speaker 1>might lose them.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you might lose him, But also you want if

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<v Speaker 3>they're ready, you want to play him. You want to

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<v Speaker 3>get these guys out. You want to have as many

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<v Speaker 3>guys ready as you can because you know, we talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the need to rotate guys at running back, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>but you need to do that everywhere because it again

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<v Speaker 3>you all the same stuff we talk about with the

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<v Speaker 3>running backs or with the wide receivers or with the

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<v Speaker 3>corners or whatever. Having more guys ready to play. If

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<v Speaker 3>someone gets hurt, great, you got someone else who's ready

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<v Speaker 3>to play. If you're keeping guys fresh and rotating him,

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<v Speaker 3>that keeps them healthier over the course of the year.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's lots of benefits to it, and you want

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<v Speaker 3>to be you know, in addition to the if they're

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<v Speaker 3>on the roster and they're ready to play, you should

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<v Speaker 3>play them because then they will stick around potentially for

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<v Speaker 3>the next season. You know, they already see the path

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<v Speaker 3>to the playing field and all that. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>would not be surprised if you saw for maybe five

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<v Speaker 3>linebackers playing a good number of snaps this year. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not I don't think that's going to be four

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<v Speaker 3>guys playing thirty snaps a game or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think you might see four, maybe five guys

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<v Speaker 3>at least playing you know ten twelve fifteen snaps a game.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I will say our exces nos guys Michael Pettitt

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<v Speaker 1>and Ross Fulton over at Buckeyinsiders dot Com on a

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<v Speaker 1>message board are not happy about the possibility of a

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<v Speaker 1>linebacker rotation. They they are opposed to it. They think

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<v Speaker 1>it's you know, and I'm I'm not mocking them. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying they're exces and nose guys. I just stayed a

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<v Speaker 1>holiday and express. But there's certainly some concern about going

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<v Speaker 1>in and out and then still maintaining the feel and

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<v Speaker 1>the timing and all of that. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>four they can. It's four guys too many, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>As the question there, that's something that James Lornidis and

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Patricia will have to answer, unless, of course, you

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<v Speaker 1>can partmentalize and it's like you do this, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>does that, and never the twain shall meet, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>That is the phrase, yes and for the twain shall

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<v Speaker 3>meet and and yeah, I mean you may have guys

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<v Speaker 3>who fit certain situational roles where someone is more of

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<v Speaker 3>a third down guy, or with someone is better in

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<v Speaker 3>past coverage or whatever it is, and so you may

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<v Speaker 3>have guys who kind of carve out different roles that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so let's go to my next defensive overreaction.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Jermain Matthews as you're starting nickelback, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying this knowing the first day of practice there was

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<v Speaker 1>no nickelback. The second day of practice there was a nickelback,

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<v Speaker 1>but as basically just corners until later on. Deshaun Stewart

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<v Speaker 1>was also one of the Nichols, but outside of him,

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<v Speaker 1>it was when I say corners, the corner types, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's Jermaine Matthews, it's Jay Timmons, it is Miles Lockhart.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>This is.

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<v Speaker 1>Partly because it's not even because he's been with the

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<v Speaker 1>WANs at nickel today on the on Friday, that was

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Timmins for a good portion of it and then

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes Jimmy Matthews. But Jermaine Matthews I think was mostly

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<v Speaker 1>outside on day two. But Terry Moore has been with

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<v Speaker 1>the twos and so the two safeties when they have

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<v Speaker 1>had two, they've not yet played three safeties really with

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<v Speaker 1>the ones, but they have played nickel and it's been

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<v Speaker 1>with either like Jermaine Matthews or Jay Timmins. And so

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<v Speaker 1>my thought here is that maybe Jermaine Matthews is more

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<v Speaker 1>likely to be in the starting lineup right now than

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<v Speaker 1>Terry Moore, which means that you know, you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>find your best five, right tom So, then Jermaine Matthews

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<v Speaker 1>is the nickel. He was the backup last year at nickel.

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<v Speaker 1>Lorenzo Styles is gone, boom you put him in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Earl Little is in the box as a box safety

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<v Speaker 1>like Caleb Downs. Jayalen McLain plays the same position he

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<v Speaker 1>did as last year deep safety. This all hinges on

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<v Speaker 1>Dominic Kelly being ready just a true sophomore only a

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<v Speaker 1>handful of games. Of course, Devin Sanchez I have no

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<v Speaker 1>concerns about him at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think this is so interesting?

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<v Speaker 3>Because there are three possibilities.

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<v Speaker 2>One is that.

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<v Speaker 3>They feel like having a true corner at that nickel

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<v Speaker 3>position is very important because of the coverage role, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard even for a really good safety to be

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<v Speaker 3>able to cover quite like a corner. Those are you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's just slightly different skill sets there that make you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like taking a guard and a tackle and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's slightly different body types and slightly different skill sets

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<v Speaker 3>that you're looking for same thing with a corner into safety.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, maybe it's that maybe it's a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Dominic Kelly on one hand and Terry Moore on the

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<v Speaker 3>other hand, and you're looking for your best five and

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<v Speaker 3>again going back to the offensive line, who's your best five?

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<v Speaker 3>And then you figure out how you align those five guys,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're doing that on the offensive line right now,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, maybe it's who's your best five in

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<v Speaker 3>the secondary, and they would be perfectly fine with putting

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<v Speaker 3>Earl Little at nickel and Terry Moore at that sort

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<v Speaker 3>of Caleb Downs type spot and then having Jermaine Matthews

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<v Speaker 3>play outside. But it's just a matter of is Dominic

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<v Speaker 3>Kelly part of your best five or is Terry Moore

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<v Speaker 3>part of your best five. The third possibility, Tony, is

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<v Speaker 3>that it's just second day and they're just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>trying a bunch of different stuff, and that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got twenty whatever practices it is in the fall,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know the stuff you try out, lots of

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<v Speaker 3>stuff you throw. You know, the coaches have sat in

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<v Speaker 3>rooms and talked about stuff for months and months and

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<v Speaker 3>months and throw lots of stuff together, and they have

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<v Speaker 3>a day where they just try you know, we're just

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<v Speaker 3>gonna have to put the corners there and see see

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<v Speaker 3>how it goes. So it's one of those three things. Probably,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I have no confidence in telling you which

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<v Speaker 3>of those three things it is. I was fascinating, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, Matt Patricia. Well, so when we talked to

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<v Speaker 3>Matt Patricia soon, I know so, yeah, I would be

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<v Speaker 3>fascinated to hear his thought on how that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>what's going into that decision.

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<v Speaker 1>And it'll be interesting to see what he says and

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<v Speaker 1>what he doesn't say.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, huh.

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<v Speaker 2>Always.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's just good to finally have you being

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<v Speaker 1>the voice of reason on this show. I appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>dialing back my overreactions, and I throw in an overreaction

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<v Speaker 1>two point five.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Jay Timmins might be the starting nickelback because

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<v Speaker 2>They're getting a.

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<v Speaker 1>Good look at him, and if he is, then that

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<v Speaker 1>I also think you could just see a return to

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<v Speaker 1>Little is your big nickel, Jermaine Matthews or j probably

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<v Speaker 1>it in the past with Sonny Styles and Jordan Hancock.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's something like that, but you can't say maybe

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<v Speaker 3>Look who now understands the concept of boldness. What a

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<v Speaker 3>different season this is going to be on the Buckeye

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<v Speaker 3>Weekly podcast. Yeah, the j Timmins thing is really intriguing

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<v Speaker 3>saw him some in the spring and it was like, okay, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>you could tell me this as someone who's going to

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<v Speaker 3>I could buy it absolutely. But you know, you got

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<v Speaker 3>the summer and there's not official practices going on. But

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<v Speaker 3>guys get a lot better between spring ball and the

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<v Speaker 3>start of fall camp, especially true freshmen. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>During that time.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am really really interested to see what Jay

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<v Speaker 3>Timmins looks like because they're not in a position where

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<v Speaker 3>they have to have him in there, but if he's ready,

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<v Speaker 3>we saw last year with Devin Sanchez Day one, Devin

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<v Speaker 3>Sanchez was out there. He was at the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the dime. Maybe that's where Jay Temons fits in, where

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<v Speaker 3>he's not, you know, he doesn't have to be the

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<v Speaker 1>The last thing on this overreaction and I've been overreacting

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<v Speaker 1>year is Tom, do you remember Antoine Winfield as a

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<v Speaker 1>freshman as a nickelback? Again, Hey, we're.

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<v Speaker 3>Calling people that Orlando pays and I don't let you

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<v Speaker 3>come people to Antoine Winfield. With all the things you've

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<v Speaker 3>said about Antoine Winfield. I don't feel that's responsible.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not it's irresponsible. And I think Antoine Winfield had

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<v Speaker 1>I don't expect that. I just you know, maybe how

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<v Speaker 1>about this instead something more palatable like Malcolm Jenkins as

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<v Speaker 1>a freshman as a nickelback or Nate Clements where they're

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<v Speaker 1>out there a whole bunch. Even then that's expecting too much,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just interesting to see him out there so early.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are my overreactions.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being, like I said, the voice of reason.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, probably an unfamiliar feeling for you, and both

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<v Speaker 1>the listeners and viewers like whoa Tom. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>new Tom. I don't know if they're gonna like it,

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<v Speaker 2>So that will do it from there. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>All for tuning in and we will talk to you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Plat it. It's time. What about you let it through

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<v Speaker 2>a way. Don't no one tell me I wish you

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<v Speaker 2>never meant nothing to me. Mut where my fa if

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<v Speaker 2>you can tell me that's the boy, it's all right.

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<v Speaker 2>We can steal currently that