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<v Speaker 1>Religions usually claim to be the source for all that

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<v Speaker 1>is good, the moral code by which people should abide. However,

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<v Speaker 1>their associated texts, and to a greater extent, their actions,

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrate quite the opposite. The God of the Bible necessitates war,

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<v Speaker 1>going so far as to command Moses and his army

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<v Speaker 1>to enslave virgin girls while slaughtering everybody else. This God

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<v Speaker 1>incites slaughter and genocide, knowing full well the repercussions and

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<v Speaker 1>how people will be impacted. In fact, it was this

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<v Speaker 1>God who wiped out humanity with a natural disaster, killing millions.

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<v Speaker 1>He brought plagues and encouraged slavery, and did nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>solve these problems. But this is not unique to just

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<v Speaker 1>Judaism or Christianity. In the seventh century, Muslim armies swept

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<v Speaker 1>across North Africa and through the Middle East and beat

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<v Speaker 1>those civilizations into the submission of Islam. In two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and one, I stood on my rooftop and watched the

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<v Speaker 1>smoldering aftermath of the Twin Towers c lapse when Islamic

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<v Speaker 1>fundamentalists flew planes into them. Twenty years of war ensued,

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<v Speaker 1>and this region is still wrought with religious divisions and

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<v Speaker 1>unnecessary human suffering. Today, the Hindu populations of Asia are

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<v Speaker 1>particularly harsh toward Islamic minorities, as are the Buddhists of Myanmar,

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<v Speaker 1>who are actively committing genocide against them. We have no

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that there are any gods or religions doing anything

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<v Speaker 1>to quell human suffering. We do know, however, that there

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<v Speaker 1>are people looking to counteract the impacts of war on humanity,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as health epidemics, natural disasters, and general human displacement. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>we at Talk Heathen and the atheist community of Austin

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<v Speaker 1>are highlighting the good work by Doctors Without Borders, an

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<v Speaker 1>organization that aims to deliver medical aid to people around

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<v Speaker 1>the world who are suffering because of the calamities I've

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<v Speaker 1>just mentioned, despite rel religious affiliations and insolidarity with humanist efforts.

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<v Speaker 1>While our thoughts and opinions do not reflect those of

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<v Speaker 1>Doctors Without Borders, we do support their efforts and invite

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<v Speaker 1>you to help ease the suffering of so many around

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<v Speaker 1>the world who need additional support. Please donate to Doctors

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<v Speaker 1>Without Borders by accessing the donate button below the chat

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<v Speaker 1>or accessing the link in this episode's description, and please

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<v Speaker 1>call us live right now to talk about what you

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<v Speaker 1>believe and why at five one two nine two or

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<v Speaker 1>from your computer at tiny dot CC forward slash call THH.

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<v Speaker 1>Get your calls going right now because the show is

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<v Speaker 1>about to start. Hello. Hello, I have pumped. I am

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<v Speaker 1>pumped whenever I hear that INTL thank you, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>But I was talking more about the theme music. It

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<v Speaker 1>gets me going. But anyway, I loved it. Hello everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Today is October sixth, twenty twenty four. I am your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Junior today joining the two beautiful, wonderful hosts Forrest

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<v Speaker 1>VALKEI objectively Dan, gentlemen, how are you this fine Sunday?

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<v Speaker 2>Dude? I'm freaking awesome. I'm so excited to be raising

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<v Speaker 2>money for this. While we were doing that intro, we

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<v Speaker 2>got more donations in already we got's see here, an

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<v Speaker 2>anonymous donor donated five bucks. Miranda Renzberger donated twenty bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>That brings the grand total for this entire fundraiser to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nine thousand, nine hundred and fifty eight dollars raise

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<v Speaker 2>for doctors of that border so far. So we are

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<v Speaker 2>about forty two bucks away from crossing thirty thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>raise for this amazing organization. So if you watching out there,

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<v Speaker 2>have forty two bucks in your pocket right now, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to skip lunch for a day, or if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to just pay a couple. Most of the donations,

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<v Speaker 2>the vast majority donations, have been five to ten dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you want to skip a coffee for a

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<v Speaker 2>day and save someone's life on the other side of

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<v Speaker 2>the world, this is the time to do it. Just

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<v Speaker 2>hit that donate button. Blow of this video. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>make somebody's life better and possibly longer, but you might

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<v Speaker 2>keep them alive in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>Heck yeah, heck yeah, go ahead, man.

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<v Speaker 3>Forty two is a good number. You know, Hitchhiker's got

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<v Speaker 3>to the galaxy and all that. So yeah, you know

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<v Speaker 3>that's good. Luck will be given to you. I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 3>sure if Douglas Adams donation exactly the Douglas Adams donation.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's as it is, beautiful by no one,

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful Sunday here in Austin, Texas. Happy to be here

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<v Speaker 3>with you. Jimothy, Jimothy Jr. You know really good. I

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<v Speaker 3>love when you give.

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<v Speaker 1>Me pet names. You know, it's great. I feel special,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm happy to be here with you as well. Today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a normal Sunday, all right. It's maybe kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like every other Sunday in a way around the

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful fall time where we can drink our pumpkins spice

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<v Speaker 1>and appreciate the leaves on the ground. But you know, today,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly for the ACA, is unique. So I want to

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<v Speaker 1>thank everybody who has supported talking than the ACA as

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<v Speaker 1>a whole for all these years. Today, however, we are

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<v Speaker 1>supporting Doctors Without Borders or Medicine son Frontiers, which is

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<v Speaker 1>I think not a bad first hack at that pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 1>I do speak a little good no friend, Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank you. Is known as Doctors Without Borders.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a global humanitarian organization delivers emergency medical care to

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<v Speaker 1>people affected by conflict, epidemics, disasters, and those who lack

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<v Speaker 1>essential health care. So this organization was founded in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one. Their teams work in over seventy countries I

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<v Speaker 1>was reading today. They have sixty nine thousand members, volunteers

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<v Speaker 1>and other people who help keep the organization going. Only

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<v Speaker 1>one percent goes to their overhead. Everything else goes toward

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<v Speaker 1>helping other people everywhere. And I just think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're driven by Yeah, go ahead, No, I was

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<v Speaker 2>just going to be a bill of say that they

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<v Speaker 2>are so freaking cool. They're just an amazing organization. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I could be as cool as them someday. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm currently tallying up the final numbers here because while

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<v Speaker 2>it was just right, immediately as we got started here,

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<v Speaker 2>five from Chase Avior, and then the forty two dollars

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<v Speaker 2>came in from X million, and I'm guessing the first

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<v Speaker 2>name is Puck here donated one hundred and sixty kroner.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the change rate is. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>I'm retallying everything. That brings us up to thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty six dollars that we raised for doctors about borders.

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<v Speaker 2>We've bout thirty thousands protation gentlemen before the show even

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<v Speaker 2>really got started. Amazing, amazing today in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>It would have been a good time for like a

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<v Speaker 1>soundboard where I could hit that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I wish I had absolutely I maybe I

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<v Speaker 3>can tell you what if you want you just say

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<v Speaker 3>tell me to do it, and I'll make it with

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<v Speaker 3>my noise and I can do your human soundboard.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, somebody, somebody's taking something off. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>accelerate somehow. An anonymous donor just donated another twenty bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, excellent, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>making the world a slightly less shitty place.

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<v Speaker 4>Dude.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>At Doctors Without Borders, driven by principles of independence, neutrality,

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<v Speaker 1>and impartiality, it operates on the front lines, offering aid

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<v Speaker 1>solely based on need, regardless of race, religion, or political affiliation,

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<v Speaker 1>saving live lives where it's needed most. So consider making

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<v Speaker 1>good donation again on Google YouTube, ACA, we will not

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<v Speaker 1>take a cut. Excuse me, I should rephrase that neither

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<v Speaker 1>Google YouTube nor ACA will take a cut. But like

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<v Speaker 1>we already mentioned, check the donate button below the chat

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<v Speaker 1>or go into this episode's description you can access the

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<v Speaker 1>donate link. So without further ado, I want to just

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<v Speaker 1>say what I have to say, but what I get

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<v Speaker 1>to say as well. Talkhavan is a product of the

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<v Speaker 1>Atheist Community of Austin. We are a five oh one

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<v Speaker 1>c three nonprofit organization dedicated to the promotion of atheism,

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<v Speaker 1>critical thinking, secular humanism and the separation of religion and government.

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<v Speaker 1>to jump straight into calls. Jump it, guys, I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>right in. You know why because our callers are awesome

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<v Speaker 1>and they are waiting for us, and our lines are

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<v Speaker 1>filling up. So let's just go. Let's just go.

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<v Speaker 2>We got you Herbie Shine for fifty pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice. We getting pounds, We're getting dollars, We're getting it

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<v Speaker 1>all right. So we're going to talk to Chloe in Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 1>who is a theist. Goes by she her Chloe wants

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<v Speaker 1>the host take on elevator Gate. Rebecca Watson had experience

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<v Speaker 1>in elevator Oh that's that was in parentheses. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I should have read that, but in any case,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, Let's just move on and pretend that

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing didn't happen, and let's talk to Chloe. Chloe,

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<v Speaker 1>you are on with Jimmy, but more importantly Dan and Forrest. Chloe.

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<v Speaker 1>I am sorry, right, Chloe, are you in this or not.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm here, I should be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there we go, So go ahead, expand what do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to know about elevator Gate?

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, no, So I was there and I was

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<v Speaker 5>there and witness it. For me, it was a moment

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<v Speaker 5>of massive disillusion with the atheist community, and I was

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<v Speaker 5>wondering if there were you know, now that we're about

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<v Speaker 5>fifteen years away from it, if there's any sort of

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<v Speaker 5>that first moment I realized maybe the atheist community wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, well so for those who want to wear

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<v Speaker 3>Elevator Gate is a thing that happened with a content creator,

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<v Speaker 3>I Boo Skeptchic was her name, And this was a

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<v Speaker 3>conference that happened in twenty eleven where I think I

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<v Speaker 3>don't remember the details exactly, but basically there was a

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<v Speaker 3>a I think, accusations of being harassed on an elevator

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<v Speaker 3>at this conference. And this is at the time where

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<v Speaker 3>an atheist community is like debating whether like we should

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<v Speaker 3>be calling ourselves feminists and stuff. Right, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of this kind of discourse about like treating women in

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<v Speaker 3>the space and stuff, and there's a lot of pushback

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of terms are and stuff. Obviously, there was just

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<v Speaker 3>any three of us or even content creators in the space. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in high school when this happens, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I was a in high school. So it's like, yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a shitty time. It's a shitty time to be

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<v Speaker 3>a woman. It's a shitty time to be a woman

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<v Speaker 3>in any time, but especially in the atheist space online.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, fuck people that didn't believe women, and fuck

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<v Speaker 3>people that you know aren't okay with talking about the

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<v Speaker 3>stuff that we do today, which I think the space

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<v Speaker 3>is much more progressive in that respect. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>more I would say, you know, women content creators that

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<v Speaker 3>are making stuff in the space, and I think are

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<v Speaker 3>I'm friends with many of them, and I see their

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<v Speaker 3>common sections compared to mine and Forrests and Jimmy, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's like it's still not the same. So yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 3>still a lot of work to be done, but it

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<v Speaker 3>is better. And I think it's something that's still worth addressing.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know, that's my take. Yeah, I would not.

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<v Speaker 2>I have not to my knowledge, nor would I ever

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<v Speaker 2>participate with any atheist show or network or community that

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<v Speaker 2>is not fundamentally feminist in its values, that does not

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<v Speaker 2>them or work with them. And certainly if somebody's going

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<v Speaker 2>So Yeah, as far as the idea of whether or

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<v Speaker 2>fact that we don't believe in God. There are good atheist,

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<v Speaker 2>bad atheist, cool atheist, shitty atheist, republican atheist, democrat atheists.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to say your name names, but I

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<v Speaker 2>have specifically requested people that I know that know those

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not uninterested, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, Chloe, how do you how do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>about those responses reflections from you?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh? Perfect? I think that means that the work has

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<v Speaker 5>that I had seen that conversation happen, in more or

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<v Speaker 5>less better terms, happen among fans and SANDOM communities. Sure,

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<v Speaker 5>so when I saw it happen, and the way that

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<v Speaker 5>it did for the atheist community, it kind of hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, Right, there's there was a It sounds

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<v Speaker 2>the rulers of YouTube, where it's like, if you throw

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and this is even before YouTube atheists. This is

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<v Speaker 3>like blogging atheists spears, right, this is like at that time,

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<v Speaker 3>like like this is when the term atheist plus was

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<v Speaker 3>of new, and peop were like, hey, should we actually

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<v Speaker 3>we talk about that ship every week, right, like we're

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<v Speaker 3>we're that's become so much more normalized now by the time,

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<v Speaker 3>it was like it was part of this bigger conversation

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<v Speaker 3>and why that was like such a big deal. But yeah, Chloe,

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, definitely, Because for me, as someone who is

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<v Speaker 5>all these other things and coming back into the space,

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<v Speaker 5>I just wasn't sure has that work truly been done?

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<v Speaker 5>And I do think that not only has the work

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<v Speaker 5>been done, it was done well, it was done thoughtfully,

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<v Speaker 5>those who stayed behind, those who fought it out, those

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<v Speaker 5>like Matt Dillon hunting, which you know, got to give

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<v Speaker 5>him credit, you know, got to give credit to the

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<v Speaker 5>long time old heads who you know, who who stuck

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<v Speaker 5>it out and who have the scars to prove it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And I might have been misunderestimating on my part.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's just where I'm going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Blowie, did I did I read correctly that you are

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<v Speaker 1>a theist and that you left when you say you

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<v Speaker 1>left the atheist community? So what was that trip like?

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't mean to digress, but I just want

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of get your your I guess perspective or

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<v Speaker 1>the atheist community and now you're a theist and how

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<v Speaker 1>did that happen?

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<v Speaker 5>So it happened because I lived my life, because I had.

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<v Speaker 5>What happened was was that when I left atheism, right

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<v Speaker 5>when Elevator Gate happened, and then I realized all this

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<v Speaker 5>was going on, and then I realized, like being in

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<v Speaker 5>the atheist community just wasn't for me. I wasn't tethered

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<v Speaker 5>and married to the arguments for or against God, for

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<v Speaker 5>or against the supernatural. I wasn't marinating in it. So

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<v Speaker 5>when my friends would have experiences, my friends would talk

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<v Speaker 5>about it. When I was introduced to it through social means,

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<v Speaker 5>I wasn't really thinking like in those terms anymore, and

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<v Speaker 5>I was more open to those ideas. And then once

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<v Speaker 5>I was fully gone.

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<v Speaker 1>So first, so have you adopted a religion?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I'm North Pagan.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, okay, yeah, And I'm trying to understand was

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<v Speaker 2>being disillusioned with the behavior of a of prominent atheist figures.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a causal event to you then picking up

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<v Speaker 2>like supernatural beliefs or those different things, because it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like what you're saying is that like there was this

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of atheists were behaving Shittaly and so I

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<v Speaker 2>became a theist and like that that doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and to build upon that because and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to question your integrity or anything like that, Chloe,

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<v Speaker 1>but I ask you, do you actually believe or are

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<v Speaker 1>you just practicing it? And I think that is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of piggybacking on Forrest there, but yeah, did

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<v Speaker 1>you leave? Did you leave and seek comfort somewhere else

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<v Speaker 1>because you weren't happy with the atheists?

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't seek comfort.

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<v Speaker 5>It comfort found me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 5>Like I what that means was that as I explored

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<v Speaker 5>as I got involved with people who were theists, I

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<v Speaker 5>did not have any intention of going theists. I had

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<v Speaker 5>no intention of whatever. It's just that when I was

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<v Speaker 5>exposed to it, I found comfort. I didn't seeking it.

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<v Speaker 5>I was fine without that comfort, but after I found it,

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<v Speaker 5>I realized I wanted it. It's like I, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you just wented in Enchilada, now you seek it out.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I'm curious, though, are you getting something from

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<v Speaker 1>this newfound affiliation other than social acceptance or because when

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<v Speaker 1>you say I was thinking about going theist, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that's a little bit different. Going theist. I think would

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<v Speaker 1>really happen if a belief fell upon you, right like

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<v Speaker 1>I went atheist, but not because I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>an atheist. I ended up going atheist because I could

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<v Speaker 1>no longer believe. And so I would ask you did

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<v Speaker 1>that happen in reverse? Were you an atheist and then

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<v Speaker 1>this North Pagan religion was introduced to you and you

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<v Speaker 1>found no other way to live your life than through

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<v Speaker 1>the North Pagan or in accordance with North Paganism because

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<v Speaker 1>you actually believed it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I actually.

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<v Speaker 5>Believed it because I had experiences with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So what's your evidence for Zeus and Thorp?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? So I don't know if that's what Chloe.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I Chloe is interested in actually talking about that part

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<v Speaker 3>of it. I think you know, Chloe came in with

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<v Speaker 3>a specific topic to talk about, and I just want

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure, Chloe, do you are you okay with us?

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<v Speaker 3>Taking this conversation about your beliefs or were you happy

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<v Speaker 3>with you know, talking about the topic that we talked about.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I'm I'm happy with with with with with either.

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<v Speaker 3>But okay, okay, I just want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>we're not like blindsiding you because you came in with

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<v Speaker 3>a very specific query, and I want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that we are answering that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Yeah, that's a very no, that's a very fair

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<v Speaker 2>and and generous thing to do. I appreciate that, Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, yeah, because I then I would just launch

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<v Speaker 2>into the same same questions I would have for anybody

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<v Speaker 2>if if if somebody calls in about God, or if

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<v Speaker 2>somebody calls in about Odin, I have the exact same questions, which,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, why do you believe this thing? What is

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<v Speaker 2>some evidence that we have for this thing? Is there

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<v Speaker 2>you know, objective justification for this thing? Yeah, but no,

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you interjecting, Dan, thank you very much, because

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<v Speaker 2>I will get run off in a tangent buy in cool.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to make sure because look, Chloe, Chloe's

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<v Speaker 3>whole thing right when they first called in, they look,

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<v Speaker 3>I part of the reason why I left this space

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<v Speaker 3>is because I didn't feel accepted in this space, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a queer person and I don't think we're being

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<v Speaker 3>very commodating, and I want to make sure we're fucking accommodating, right,

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<v Speaker 3>because it's like, hey, listen, like I get it, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of shitty people online, and it was a

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<v Speaker 3>shitty space back then. I look back at that. I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't a part of it at the time, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I look at some of the things that are out

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<v Speaker 3>there and it's like, yeah, I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 3>want to hang out with these guys either, right, And

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<v Speaker 3>so like if the difference between you know, you being

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<v Speaker 3>interested in a community like ours versus is am I

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<v Speaker 3>going to be accepted here? I want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>you're fucking accepted, right. I want to make sure, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I fight for your rights. I fight for queer people,

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<v Speaker 3>women's rights and minority rights whatever, because yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 3>not a point of emphasis, you know, a decade ago,

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<v Speaker 3>but it is now and I want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>it continues to be right. So anyway, that's my spield there, Chloe, No,

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<v Speaker 3>I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, all right, Chloe respond, Oh.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, it's just an outpouring of love, and how do

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<v Speaker 5>you respond to that other than thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, and I think let's circle it back right.

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<v Speaker 1>So before Dan, So before Dan brought us back on track,

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<v Speaker 1>which I greatly appreciate, you had said though it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like the work has been done, and so I was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of hoping that you might even consider, Hey, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the atheist community actually is for me, and it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want you to know that there is room.

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<v Speaker 1>Human rights are important to us. I think that we

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<v Speaker 1>come we come to that conclusion just based on our skepticism,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when we can't accept the things that were

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<v Speaker 1>given to us along a religious doctrine. You know, here

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<v Speaker 1>we are left with looking into everything, kind of questioning

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<v Speaker 1>all the things that we're told are right or are wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're left with this human rights question. And I

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<v Speaker 1>forced to consider, well, what's right and what's wrong when

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<v Speaker 1>treating people with respect and understanding that you know, people

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<v Speaker 1>are people, they deserve to share this space, right, this

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<v Speaker 1>little blue dot. The we'reld on trying to figure everything

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<v Speaker 1>out until we're not here anymore. And so Chloe, there's

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<v Speaker 1>room for you just to just kind of build upon

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<v Speaker 1>with the with my two friends here was saying a

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<v Speaker 1>minute ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know for me, you know, and there's that

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<v Speaker 3>the time at the time, people are like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all about the God belief this other stuff that

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter. But look like leaving my religion, liberation from

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<v Speaker 3>religion to me is so much more than just the

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<v Speaker 3>God thing, because you can liberate yourself from a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of beliefs that end up being intertwined with that religious belief.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Like we often talk about the connection between political views,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, and religious beliefs, they're absolutely intertwined, especially in

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<v Speaker 3>the American idea of Christianity, right, And so it's like

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<v Speaker 3>when you when you liberate yourself from a Christian belief

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<v Speaker 3>you're often liberating yourself from all kinds of other social

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<v Speaker 3>views as well, and that is absolutely definitely worth exploring,

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<v Speaker 3>like in our space as well. So yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 3>again just point of emphasis here, like, yeah, I agree

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<v Speaker 3>that there's absolutely room and space for people of all

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<v Speaker 3>folks to come into having conversation with us. And I

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate you you you well, being willing to talk to

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<v Speaker 3>us today even though you don't identify with that. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that that being said, you know, I guess I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know where you want to take things from here. If

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<v Speaker 3>you want to go.

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<v Speaker 1>See I want to see what Chloe has to say,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I want to I want to get to

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<v Speaker 1>some other calls. So Chloe, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>your call, and uh, any any reflections on what we've

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<v Speaker 1>had to talk about today before we let you go.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I just want to say that more or less

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<v Speaker 5>that I don't identify as an atheist anymore because of

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<v Speaker 5>the experiences that I've had. It is not because it

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<v Speaker 5>is not because it was not because of that that

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<v Speaker 5>because of Elevator Gate. It was the you know, trusting

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<v Speaker 5>the experiences that I've been having in my life and

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<v Speaker 5>finally not running away from that. What I am here for, though,

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<v Speaker 5>and what I am will always be there for, is

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<v Speaker 5>the struggle. So if if I am needed, I will

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<v Speaker 5>be there so and I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, if you ever want to call and talk

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<v Speaker 2>about what you believe and why, and let let us

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<v Speaker 2>do that next time. Your beliefs and yeah, these call

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<v Speaker 2>us back some time.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see that next time, Chloe. If you're down for it,

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<v Speaker 3>because I'd love to talk about those experiences with you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I would love to actually talk about them, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Have great hell yeah, Asometoey, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>being a being a fan, being a contributor, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to Uh, I can't wait to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you again. You know, old habits die hardfellas and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>when someone comes in and talks about their beliefs, I

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<v Speaker 1>got to get to it. But you know there's something

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<v Speaker 1>else we got to get to and that's talk ethen

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<v Speaker 1>to me. All right, first, I want to shout out

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<v Speaker 1>aj Nero and Benjamin waiting on the line. We will

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<v Speaker 1>get to you, but we have to do talk Eithen

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<v Speaker 1>to me, which is a lot of fun. Last week

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<v Speaker 1>we asked you what's a bad reason to summon a demon?

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<v Speaker 1>And here are our top three answers. Number three, Jenna Page,

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<v Speaker 1>A bad reason to summon a demon to help with

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<v Speaker 1>an exorcism unless you're doing it ironically.

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<v Speaker 3>That's kind of awesome though. Wait, I actually like that

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<v Speaker 3>concept a lot, summoning demons to fight other demons. It's

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like the Lady who swallowed a horse, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like a yeah, it just keeps going.

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<v Speaker 2>You know more about how to who would know more

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<v Speaker 2>about how to appropriately do an exorcism than another demon would? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>You want their help?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that I think that would. I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't we thought of this before? I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>see I disagree with that. I see a sequel to

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<v Speaker 1>the sequel of The Exorcist coming up where demons are

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<v Speaker 1>actually taking taking control. Number two X million, don't summon

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<v Speaker 1>a demon when you're feeling horny?

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I have to disagree. Yeah, I do to better.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we could commit all kinds of things that

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<v Speaker 1>God doesn't want us doing this. Yeah, but are are

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<v Speaker 1>you being Is this like a play on words feeling horny?

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<v Speaker 1>Like as demons have horns because I see what it

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<v Speaker 1>did their x million? But I feel like I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like a demon is good for horny times. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, Mike Cattle a bad reason to summon a

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<v Speaker 1>demon when you need help finding Jesus man.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that I've yet to hear bad reason

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<v Speaker 2>to some of the demons. I don't think there is one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's always a good idea.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always a good same some of demons.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how you make friends race.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the forest Alceiz stamp of approval right there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think one of my favorite memes on the interwebs

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<v Speaker 1>is the person sitting in their bed and the demons

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<v Speaker 1>sitting next to them talking, and it says, when your

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<v Speaker 1>demons come to haunt you, but they realize they have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot in common with you. All right, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>good reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>While we were, while we were on that call, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, I'm sorry, I think you were there was

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<v Speaker 2>a transition, but it was all right. We got we

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<v Speaker 2>got a two hundred and fifty more Swedish kroner and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty more good old US American freedom dollars as well,

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<v Speaker 2>all for docs without Borders, which brings us up at

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<v Speaker 2>this moment to thirty and eighty six dollars raised.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, freaking yeah, nuddy.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thanks so much everybody donating.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. Remember also, folks, you can give

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<v Speaker 1>us a super chat and one of us will read it.

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<v Speaker 1>Most likely. Let's let's keep it within within the confines

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<v Speaker 1>of what's appropriate, but we'll most likely read anything, so

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<v Speaker 1>we don't even look at the prompter, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>just go or or whatever whatever they'd say.

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<v Speaker 3>Jack I don't know, Jimmy speaks for all of us.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Jimmy doesn't look at the prompt, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think maybe we Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I know for sure Jimmy doesn't look at the prompt

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<v Speaker 2>because while he was saying that, we got a producer

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<v Speaker 2>chat that said no super chats today.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>See. See, this is why I needed two people on

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<v Speaker 1>with me, because those you never know what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>We want everybody to donate to Doctors without Borders, to

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<v Speaker 3>be clear, and if you are watching this later today

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<v Speaker 3>and you aren't watching this live, you will still have

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<v Speaker 3>the opportunity to donate. So please don't think that you

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<v Speaker 3>missed the boat on that. So that is what we're

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<v Speaker 3>dedicating to all weekend across all of our shows.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, with that being said, let me not screw

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<v Speaker 1>this up any further, folks, thank you for your answers.

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<v Speaker 1>We have another prompt for next week, okay, and that

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<v Speaker 1>prompt is what fictional character would you choose to defend

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<v Speaker 1>you during an apocalypse? And why, gentlemen, I gotta come

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<v Speaker 1>to you first, Dan, I going with you kittle character?

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<v Speaker 3>Or that's it easy, that's it?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you say?

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<v Speaker 3>Leon?

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<v Speaker 4>Leon?

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<v Speaker 3>Asked Kennedy from Resident evilfore Ah, he went to Spain

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<v Speaker 3>and saved the president's daughter, how much more could he

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<v Speaker 3>do for me? Right? So I'm down, I'm ready. Okay, okay, good,

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<v Speaker 3>that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you've got something brewing.

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<v Speaker 2>It depends entirely on the nature of the apocalypse are

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<v Speaker 2>we talking about, Like if this is a zombie slash

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<v Speaker 2>natural disasters slash climate or some apocalypse like that where

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<v Speaker 2>there's like still pockets of survivors and people needing help

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<v Speaker 2>and like an existential threat that whether it be sentient

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<v Speaker 2>or not like that kind of thing, then I want

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<v Speaker 2>like a Tony Stark that can help me rebuild civilization,

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<v Speaker 2>or like a Gandalf that can like you know, fight

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<v Speaker 2>off hordes and like give wisdom. If it's not, if

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<v Speaker 2>it's like an all out like total nuclear apocalypse, there

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<v Speaker 2>is no life left besides me and this other thing,

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<v Speaker 2>well then the gates are open, because then it does

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<v Speaker 2>have to be even a good guy quote quote that

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<v Speaker 2>is the benefactor. And also the prompt doesn't necessitate it's

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<v Speaker 2>just as a fictional character. It doesn't say it has

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<v Speaker 2>to be a person. So like I could have like

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<v Speaker 2>am from I have no mouth, and I'm a scream

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<v Speaker 2>super amazing insane AI supercomputer that can manipulate matter and

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<v Speaker 2>and and controls how like life and make me live

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<v Speaker 2>for hundreds of years. Doesn't matter that he's evil. If

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<v Speaker 2>he's on my side and there's no other flipping things around,

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm set for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>The dude can betray you though, you know, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>But it says to protect me, so like, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>scope of the prompt is that he's not.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it matters based on trust, right, because like

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<v Speaker 3>I could try to get some random guy off the

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<v Speaker 3>internet to protect me. It doesn't mean he'll do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, that is it. That is a big thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a big thing. It totally depends on the

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<v Speaker 2>truthfulness of the prompt and the nature of the apocalypse

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be fictional.

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<v Speaker 1>The random guy wouldn't be fictional. We're strictly going fictional here.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, Okay, I'm being too nitpicky right now,

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<v Speaker 3>so just ignore me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all right, forst got you going forrest? Forrest?

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<v Speaker 7>Can he has conditional well, now, make my answer is shitty.

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<v Speaker 7>That's why it's like I just I just take that

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<v Speaker 7>guy with a gun. He's like, I'm gonna a supercomputer.

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<v Speaker 7>What's the guy with the gun gonna do? If the

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<v Speaker 7>apocalypse was like climate change? You know, shoot the tornado.

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<v Speaker 3>That I wasking more zombie outbreaks and you're more like,

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<v Speaker 3>no the.

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<v Speaker 2>Bate in that scenario. You have a lot to talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right right.

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<v Speaker 1>I was hired here to be the host but also

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of the referee and break up the debate

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<v Speaker 1>when it's going off the off the rails. And what

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<v Speaker 1>we need to do is get this thing going, so

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<v Speaker 1>back on track. Thank you for your for your very

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<v Speaker 1>interesting and varied question answers. Gentlemen, uh and remember everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>we are looking forward to your answers. We will read

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<v Speaker 1>the top three next week. Put them in the comments

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<v Speaker 1>section of this video, and we will get to the

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<v Speaker 1>next week. What fictional character would you choose to defend

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<v Speaker 1>you during an apocalypse? And why? Right now, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to move to some more calls, and I want go

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<v Speaker 1>to AJ in Texas. Does biology make the case for

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<v Speaker 1>moral consideration of non human animals?

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting?

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to take AJ's call. You are on

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<v Speaker 1>with Jimmy Dan and Forrest. How are you?

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<v Speaker 6>Thank guys? How are you doing. I'm getting great. Thank

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<v Speaker 6>you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, AJ, did you know that while we were goofing

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<v Speaker 2>around talking about fictional characters, an anonymous donor donated twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five bucks, and then Sean Isherwood donated five pounds, and

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<v Speaker 2>then David Hacksor donated five color of Calenadian dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>that brings us up tod and twenty one dollars raise

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<v Speaker 2>Doctors Without Borders. I knew that.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know that?

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<v Speaker 6>I did not know that? But that is fucking awesome,

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<v Speaker 6>you know what?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Nice, nice, But thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you're Your fundraiser is amazing. I've been following it

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<v Speaker 6>and I'm super part of the work you're doing for

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<v Speaker 6>Doctors Without more oilers.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you so much, thank you. So what's up? AJ?

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<v Speaker 8>Soh cure?

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<v Speaker 6>I think I promised Dan on the twoth Wanted After

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<v Speaker 6>show on Friday that I will put Hair and Forrest

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<v Speaker 6>kind of on the spot today. And I'm on that

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<v Speaker 6>co that you guys had, you know, with Chase who

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<v Speaker 6>called about veganism. I understood his frustration about the issue

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<v Speaker 6>with the age of the animals that we used to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>But I thought that that wasn't really.

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<v Speaker 6>The best method to determine the whole morality of eating

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<v Speaker 6>animals the argument right, and I thought that there were

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<v Speaker 6>a few points that weren't brought up, and I would

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<v Speaker 6>love to discuss it, especially with Forrest.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so well, let's say best for last on this

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<v Speaker 1>and let me go first, because I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this. So I am actually so Chase has had

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<v Speaker 1>an impact on me. So I did. I did meet

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<v Speaker 1>the ACA on September tenth. Okay, that was a Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>and Chase came on and we were talking about like

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<v Speaker 1>my life story, if you will, or my transition from

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<v Speaker 1>being a believer into being an atheist. And I can

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<v Speaker 1>harken back to when I was like nine years old

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<v Speaker 1>hearing the story of Jesus taking demons out of a

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<v Speaker 1>man or two men, depending on what story you read,

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<v Speaker 1>and putting those demons into a herd of pigs and

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<v Speaker 1>then killing the pigs, and I guess in effect slaughtering

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<v Speaker 1>or dispelling the demons, right, And I thought to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>why did you have to kill the pigs to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>So Chase popped up. I said, Jimmy, why do you

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<v Speaker 1>have a problem with Jesus? Killing the pigs, but you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a problem eating pigs, particularly in the circumstances

673
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<v Speaker 1>of Hawaiian pizza where pineapple and ham go on pizza together,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a different conversation. So Chase challenged me to

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<v Speaker 1>do at least twenty two days of vegan diet, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on day twenty five. So I took Chase. I

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<v Speaker 1>took Chase up. And the reason why I chose to

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<v Speaker 1>do that is because he actually makes a really good point,

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<v Speaker 1>like suffering. The suffering is the part that really gets

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<v Speaker 1>me right. The way that animals are treated is a

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<v Speaker 1>conundrum that I am in as somebody who is traditionally

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<v Speaker 1>a meat eater. You know the why, Like I can understand,

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose those eating animals right, And people say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if aliens or whatever came to Earth and tried to

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<v Speaker 1>eat humans, would that be moral? And my thought as well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it would be moral. But aren't

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that already happening? Aren't things generally trying to eat us?

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<v Speaker 1>Like aren't humans food in something's eyes? I think so,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that sometimes humans get eaten and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not right or wrong, it's just life. But we do

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<v Speaker 1>treat animals horribly, horribly, and even if we're gonna kill them,

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<v Speaker 1>do we need to treat them the way that we do?

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<v Speaker 1>And that is where I have a lot of trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>whether regardless of the age of the animal, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of coming up with a with a justification. So

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<v Speaker 1>right now I'm kind of in this phase where I'm analyzing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my beliefs on that and I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 1>trying to work my way around it. And for the

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<v Speaker 1>time being, I'm taking Chase up on his challenge and

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<v Speaker 1>going as far as I can. But I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that that animals deserve humane treatment, if that makes sense,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a problem for me. So all right, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for letting me get on that spiel. I'm need

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<v Speaker 1>to kick it over. You said you wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to Forrest. I'm gonna give it to Forrest first, because

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<v Speaker 1>I know Dan is going to bust at the seams

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<v Speaker 1>with all the things that Forrest is gonna say as

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<v Speaker 1>the resident Vegan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let me tell you why Dan is wrong. So

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that I think is really no, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that it's as I said on truth Wanded, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that it is unarguable that the meat industry sucks, the

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<v Speaker 2>way we treat animals sucks, that we need to be

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<v Speaker 2>eating less meat overall for climate reasons. I think those

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<v Speaker 2>are unarguable points. It is very obvious that even if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to grant you know, the human level

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<v Speaker 2>sentience to different animals, goalsand bigs certainly know what's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and they Having raised some of them myself, I can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you like, yeah, they're intelligent creatures that have emotions

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<v Speaker 2>and have you know, the desires and feelings and things

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<v Speaker 2>are like, I think the way that they're treated in

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<v Speaker 2>like factory farms and the inhumane way in which they

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<v Speaker 2>are often slaughtered and processed is completely unacceptable and needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be fixed immediately. And also, UH it is a

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<v Speaker 2>major climate issue because you know that that much biomass,

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<v Speaker 2>that much the the the gas production, the waste production,

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<v Speaker 2>the hormones use, the the antibiotics use, the all these

728
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<v Speaker 2>things that are used in order to try to skirt

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<v Speaker 2>around ethical treatment and and ethical land management. UH has

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<v Speaker 2>dire ramifications not only for those animals, but also for

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<v Speaker 2>the climate, for the land that those animals living on,

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<v Speaker 2>for the populations those animals are feeding. Occasionally it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's an all around shit deal that needs to be

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<v Speaker 2>reformed like dramatically. That being said, I can also understand

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<v Speaker 2>that veganism might not be a viable option for everybody

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<v Speaker 2>for either economic reasons, which I think we made the

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<v Speaker 2>point earlier on the last show that like, as more

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<v Speaker 2>vegan options become more available and more proliferated throughout the economy,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll become cheaper and more affordable. That's great. I think

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<v Speaker 2>eating bugs is really cool, and we should be looking

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<v Speaker 2>into more insect proteins as another source to supplant a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of animal or not animal party. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>mammal based proteins like pork and and and and beef

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<v Speaker 2>and even chicken is avian protein. I think that insect

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<v Speaker 2>protein could be a major factor in replacing that that

746
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<v Speaker 2>is cheaper and more sustainable to produce and doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>nearly the same issue of like sentient suffering creatures. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a big thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I also understand that when we do talk about totally

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<v Speaker 2>plant data based diets and and uh economies, soy and

752
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<v Speaker 2>and avocados and uh, oh gosh, what else the other

753
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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of crops that are not super sustainable.

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<v Speaker 2>That like that that that take like a huge amount

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<v Speaker 2>of resources to grow. Uh, that kind of sucks. So

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<v Speaker 2>like they're the almonds Jesus, you know, So like there's

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<v Speaker 2>not nothing to be said for the fact that there

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<v Speaker 2>are still resources being used here. And if you have

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of millions of acres of land dedicated to growing

760
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<v Speaker 2>soy in order to make enough toe food to feed everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>that's still not great from like climates and sustainability perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>Also a lot of the times this is still because

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<v Speaker 2>we still live in a capitalist tellscape. This is still

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<v Speaker 2>going to rely on the exploitation of humans, usually probably

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<v Speaker 2>in the global South, who are going to be growing

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<v Speaker 2>these these crops to then be shipped up north on

767
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<v Speaker 2>big container ships, which is bigger problems not only for

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<v Speaker 2>human rights, but also still for climate issues. So like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's reason And I could go on

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<v Speaker 2>and on about like little nitpicky things. I talked on

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<v Speaker 2>Friday about how like wheat soy and preeup peanuts are

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<v Speaker 2>very common vegan alternatives and are also very common food allergies,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that's kind of problematic for people. But like

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<v Speaker 2>I go on and on a little nitpiky things. I

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<v Speaker 2>just think it's important to say that, like, I don't think, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think veganism is fine. I don't have an issue

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<v Speaker 2>with it. I don't think it is the more world

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<v Speaker 2>endgame that it is often framed as. Like, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of issues that's around the way that we produce

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of food in the world that we live

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<v Speaker 2>in today, and that's what really needs to be addressed,

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<v Speaker 2>and that would ameliorate so many of the problems that

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<v Speaker 2>veganism tries to assess, as well as many other problems

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<v Speaker 2>as well. That's my soapbox comments on that.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, So but firstly, yeah, yeah, I do have lots

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<v Speaker 6>of comments. Okay, Fortunately, I don't want to ignore Jimmy's

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<v Speaker 6>opening statement, So I'm gonna address that first. Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>that that that was you on the under comments section

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<v Speaker 6>and that they when I was watching the show live,

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<v Speaker 6>and I thought that that was amazing that you started,

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<v Speaker 6>uh the diet based on you know, on chases challenge

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<v Speaker 6>to you. I think that's great, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 6>probably a similar story to what what then has for me.

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<v Speaker 6>It wasn't it wasn't an atheist uh sort.

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<v Speaker 3>Of experience for me.

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<v Speaker 6>It was more hopeful lated first game, trying to change

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<v Speaker 6>my diet for hope and then sort of learning about

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<v Speaker 6>all the different aspects of uh animal welfare that came

799
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<v Speaker 6>with veganism, with listening to to being a creators and

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<v Speaker 6>YouTube and all of that. So yeah, Jimmy, stick with it.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll reach out to you, you know later, And Forrest,

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<v Speaker 6>I you know, I completely agree without your assessments about

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<v Speaker 6>regarding the kinmate is is that both veganism would create

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<v Speaker 6>like producing vegan proteins, right and and uh not just

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<v Speaker 6>for the environment, but sociological and uh financial issues that

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<v Speaker 6>that brings. And when I do agree with that, what

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<v Speaker 6>I think I had some more specific arguments that I

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<v Speaker 6>hadn't well yeah, obviously I'm sure they have been brought

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<v Speaker 6>up before. But you know, everybody knows that Forrest, you're

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<v Speaker 6>one of my favorites hosts, Like I look after you

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<v Speaker 6>and I respect your knowledge and your perspective. So when

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<v Speaker 6>you're on that college shape.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah great.

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<v Speaker 6>What What what I mean is that I don't like

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<v Speaker 6>coming from like are trying to fight you, but I

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<v Speaker 6>would like to challenge you. Yeah there's an aspect oh cool, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>Like there is like an additional argument that we could make,

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<v Speaker 6>and I think it would resonate a little bit better

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<v Speaker 6>with being a biologist. So, you know, on the car

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<v Speaker 6>with Chase, I understood your argument that meat can be

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<v Speaker 6>part of a healthy diet, but I wanted to dig

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<v Speaker 6>deeper and on your statement on that core when you

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<v Speaker 6>say that humans have evolved to adapt to eat and

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<v Speaker 6>meat and that would get a significant benefit from it.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think that you know, aside from as you

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<v Speaker 6>pointed out that they put allergies and the accessibility in

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<v Speaker 6>areas like food desert or or what severe poverty, it's

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<v Speaker 6>just to say that the majority of people do have

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<v Speaker 6>access to what would be considered an affordable and nu traditionally. Uh,

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<v Speaker 6>then plant based diet not even vegan, not like a

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<v Speaker 6>full vegan, just plant place right, because there's this agnuance,

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<v Speaker 6>This is a difference there to My first question to

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<v Speaker 6>you will be like kind of like a pushback. What

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<v Speaker 6>exactly you mean when you say that we evolved to

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<v Speaker 6>adapt to eating meat and what is this significant benefit

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<v Speaker 6>that we get from it that we cannot get from

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<v Speaker 6>a plant proteins as quality?

838
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so what I mean by the evolution thing is

839
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:17.159
<v Speaker 2>that like the actual like the evolutionary story of humans.

840
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Meat eating plays a lot into that meeting. Meat eating

841
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:25.119
<v Speaker 2>is a hominine specific adaptation that like plays a lot

842
00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:27.960
<v Speaker 2>into our evolutionary history, plays a lot into the evolution

843
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:29.880
<v Speaker 2>of stone tools, plays a lot of the evolution of

844
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:34.280
<v Speaker 2>technology in general. The development of fire was was mainly

845
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.039
<v Speaker 2>for what I shouldn't say mainly, it was largely for cooking.

846
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.440
<v Speaker 2>We have evidence of cooking going back, you know, damn

847
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:45.400
<v Speaker 2>near a million years, and so like we were able

848
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.880
<v Speaker 2>to use the meat that we found. We were scavengers

849
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:50.719
<v Speaker 2>for a while, and then we actually started being able

850
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:53.159
<v Speaker 2>to hunt a little more efficiently and process meat more

851
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:55.360
<v Speaker 2>efficiently and cook that meat more efficiently, which made the

852
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:58.800
<v Speaker 2>meat more nutritionally beneficial to us and easier to and

853
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:02.599
<v Speaker 2>digest as well. And all of this played into specifically

854
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:06.400
<v Speaker 2>brain evolution. So we are the way we are largely

855
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:08.840
<v Speaker 2>because of our meat made based diet over the past

856
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.280
<v Speaker 2>two million years, mainly, but you can go back furtherm

857
00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:13.920
<v Speaker 2>that closer to three to four millionaires. But like that

858
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:17.280
<v Speaker 2>that's a big part of it. And what I think

859
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:19.800
<v Speaker 2>is really important to say there is that, like you

860
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.440
<v Speaker 2>can't derive an oft from an is so like you,

861
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't say that, like, yeah, humans of all eating meat.

862
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.440
<v Speaker 2>It's a big part of our evolutionary history. Therefore we

863
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:31.199
<v Speaker 2>should keep doing it. That doesn't make any sense. However,

864
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:35.039
<v Speaker 2>there are certain benefits that we do get from I

865
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:36.719
<v Speaker 2>can't remember the name of the amino asseid. I think

866
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:39.960
<v Speaker 2>it's tyrosine that we can't biosynthesize that we have to

867
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.280
<v Speaker 2>get from the external environment. And so, like Dan was

868
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:45.320
<v Speaker 2>even talking on the last thing, that like supplements are

869
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.320
<v Speaker 2>important when you're doing these things, there's certain things that

870
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.920
<v Speaker 2>you need that you would get from a more I

871
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:53.880
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say well balanced because that would sound biased.

872
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:57.320
<v Speaker 2>A more diverse diet than a plant based diet alone

873
00:42:57.320 --> 00:42:59.880
<v Speaker 2>can offer. That said, you are right to say that

874
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:03.199
<v Speaker 2>there are plenty of people that enjoy a totally normal

875
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:07.440
<v Speaker 2>uh uh life with a vegetarian diet. Look at the

876
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.000
<v Speaker 2>vast like the population of India where you have like

877
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.199
<v Speaker 2>a huge population of Hindu people that are culturally vegetarian

878
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.400
<v Speaker 2>and are doing just fine in terms of like you

879
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:19.880
<v Speaker 2>know that they're not needing some sort of meat supplement,

880
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.960
<v Speaker 2>but that isn't vegetarian, is not veganism, And so like

881
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.840
<v Speaker 2>you can still have milk in there, you can still

882
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:27.679
<v Speaker 2>have butter in there, you can still have cheese in there.

883
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:31.119
<v Speaker 2>There's still ways you can get some animal protein. So

884
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:33.559
<v Speaker 2>that's that's my whole spiel about it. It's just it's

885
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.280
<v Speaker 2>a part of our history and it's still useful today,

886
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 2>and I think that it needs to be tempered quite

887
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:42.239
<v Speaker 2>a bit better than it is. I don't think it's

888
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.880
<v Speaker 2>any secret at this point in the medical community that

889
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.719
<v Speaker 2>like eating less meat is generally a good thing to do,

890
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:52.559
<v Speaker 2>and Americans specifically, it's kind of weird how we in

891
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:54.840
<v Speaker 2>America specifically, but really just in the in the in

892
00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:57.840
<v Speaker 2>the you know, Global West like tend to or it's

893
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.920
<v Speaker 2>just say, global Northwest tend to want some sort of

894
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:03.719
<v Speaker 2>meat with every single meal all the time. That's certainly

895
00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:06.920
<v Speaker 2>not you know, normal. So it needs to be tempered

896
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:09.840
<v Speaker 2>quite a bit. But to say that it is either

897
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.480
<v Speaker 2>uniformly bad or like easy to exclude, I think is

898
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a pretty big stretch.

899
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a j. If you have some responses to forrest,

900
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>that's great. Otherwise I want to bring Dan in as

901
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:24.079
<v Speaker 1>well as the resident vegan. So do you have anything

902
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:25.320
<v Speaker 1>before we switch over to dan?

903
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.280
<v Speaker 6>Oh? You know, I would love to get from Dan

904
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:29.400
<v Speaker 6>as well. Yeah.

905
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So when we talk about veganism, I just want

906
00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:33.880
<v Speaker 3>to make sure that we understand that veganism is the

907
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:37.039
<v Speaker 3>issuing of animal products. So it's not just the dietary stuff, right,

908
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:39.280
<v Speaker 3>It is the issuing of animal products in general. And

909
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:41.639
<v Speaker 3>I think that's an important distinction to make, just because

910
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.039
<v Speaker 3>the case that I make for veganism is a moral case.

911
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:49.599
<v Speaker 3>It is not just a case that you know, obviously

912
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.119
<v Speaker 3>biology plays a huge part in it, but more importantly,

913
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 3>in plays a part because of the philosophical values that

914
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.440
<v Speaker 3>veganism brings. And I want to bring this. I think

915
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:01.159
<v Speaker 3>I can make my point with this very sise. So

916
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:04.840
<v Speaker 3>I talk about this concept that Peter Singer introduces called

917
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:08.440
<v Speaker 3>the circle of moral consideration. Right, And so when we

918
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:10.880
<v Speaker 3>think about rocks, nobody is going to complain about me

919
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:13.519
<v Speaker 3>kicking a rock all day because a rock doesn't really

920
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:17.000
<v Speaker 3>have interests. Right. Maybe there's some indigenous tribes somewhere that

921
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:19.800
<v Speaker 3>believe that there's spirits within all objects, but we would

922
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.199
<v Speaker 3>summarily dismiss that, right, because we don't really have a

923
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.159
<v Speaker 3>lot of good evidence for that. So, you know, that's

924
00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:26.840
<v Speaker 3>not something that we would care about bringing that further,

925
00:45:26.920 --> 00:45:29.920
<v Speaker 3>let's talk about dogs, right now. Dogs, If I post

926
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:32.400
<v Speaker 3>a picture or a video of me kicking a dog

927
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:34.719
<v Speaker 3>on Facebook or something, right, most people are going to

928
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:37.360
<v Speaker 3>be you know, shocked, And I would say, justifiably show

929
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.880
<v Speaker 3>But that's that's kind of a new thing. Renee des Kartes,

930
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:43.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, the guy that says I think therefore I am.

931
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.840
<v Speaker 3>He was it was at the time they called themselves

932
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:49.239
<v Speaker 3>natural philosophers, but he was a scientist in any ways,

933
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.599
<v Speaker 3>and he would do live vivisections on dogs. They would

934
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:55.360
<v Speaker 3>put dogs on boards and pin them so that they

935
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:58.400
<v Speaker 3>could see their circulation, you know, running through other says,

936
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:00.000
<v Speaker 3>and I know, and I know Forrest knows this because

937
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:02.119
<v Speaker 3>as he is, he studies this in school. And this

938
00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:04.519
<v Speaker 3>wasn't just for rene A cart This was quite a

939
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:08.239
<v Speaker 3>common practice. And this is a shocking to us. But

940
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.440
<v Speaker 3>at the time their idea was, well, dogs are basically tumatons, right,

941
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.239
<v Speaker 3>they don't have souls, so they don't really have the

942
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 3>same level of moral equivalence or value. But the truth is,

943
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.239
<v Speaker 3>and I know Forrest knows this as well, is that

944
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:23.199
<v Speaker 3>the same sort of systems that are used, the nervous

945
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:26.039
<v Speaker 3>system and the Olympic systems are so similar to that

946
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:30.079
<v Speaker 3>because they are mammals, extremely similar to that in human beings.

947
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:32.639
<v Speaker 3>So there's no reason for me just to think otherwise

948
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:34.760
<v Speaker 3>that a dog is. You know, obviously I don't know

949
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:38.119
<v Speaker 3>the subjective experience of a dog, right, This is Thomas Nagel, Right,

950
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:39.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what it's like to be a bat,

951
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 3>but I can make I can make pretty reasonable assumptions

952
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:46.639
<v Speaker 3>that dogs can experience a similar subjective sensation when it

953
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:50.079
<v Speaker 3>comes to pain. Right, But when we talk about pigs

954
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:54.679
<v Speaker 3>and cows, uh, oh, wait a minute, they use those

955
00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:57.559
<v Speaker 3>same systems, right, There's really no reason for me to

956
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:00.280
<v Speaker 3>think differently. We kind of have some cultural bi is

957
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:03.239
<v Speaker 3>because we think of pigs and cows as sort of

958
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:05.360
<v Speaker 3>animals that are just meant for food. In fact, we

959
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:07.360
<v Speaker 3>breed them as such, And the same way that we

960
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:10.599
<v Speaker 3>have so many different dog species, we have species of

961
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:13.599
<v Speaker 3>cows and species of pigs that directly benefit us as

962
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:17.239
<v Speaker 3>humans for products of consumption, when the reality is they

963
00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:20.760
<v Speaker 3>actually still have those same systems, that those same life

964
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:25.159
<v Speaker 3>preserving instincts in interest of their own that aren't dissimilar

965
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:28.079
<v Speaker 3>to dogs or cats or any of these other animals

966
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:30.639
<v Speaker 3>that we would be mortified in harming. But yet we

967
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.840
<v Speaker 3>continue to justify these farm bread the harm of these

968
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:36.880
<v Speaker 3>farm bread animals, because we say, well, this is for

969
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.400
<v Speaker 3>our consumption. My conclusion is that this is a blind

970
00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:42.920
<v Speaker 3>spot in our reasoning. I think that we can move

971
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.800
<v Speaker 3>beyond this. Chase was calling in on Friday because it

972
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:49.679
<v Speaker 3>was celebrating fifteen years of not eating animals, right, And

973
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:53.000
<v Speaker 3>the truth is there, for thousands of years, there have

974
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 3>been cultures that have been able to do this. This

975
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:57.840
<v Speaker 3>isn't exactly a brand new thing. It's just something that

976
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.599
<v Speaker 3>particularly in the West where we don't really have that

977
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:03.920
<v Speaker 3>same sense of issues. Like, you know, God has kind

978
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:06.440
<v Speaker 3>of given us dominion over animals, right historically in the

979
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 3>Christian canon, so like we've always kind of viewed ourselves

980
00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:12.199
<v Speaker 3>as above. But I think the view of biology actually

981
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.760
<v Speaker 3>helps inform us, if anything, that we are way more

982
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.480
<v Speaker 3>closer to animals than we might think, including with our

983
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:21.320
<v Speaker 3>systems of feeling pain. Right. So you know, that's kind

984
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:24.320
<v Speaker 3>of my case for why I think it is actually

985
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:27.920
<v Speaker 3>a justifiable position to take that it is sort of

986
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:30.480
<v Speaker 3>the moral endgame, if you will, as Forrest put it,

987
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:34.719
<v Speaker 3>to adopt a vegan perspective, So hopefully that wastinct enough.

988
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:36.920
<v Speaker 2>No, I think that was great. In the meantime, in

989
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.800
<v Speaker 2>the interim, I'm not trying to pull the bullshit of

990
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:43.639
<v Speaker 2>like we can't do solar farms because the blades aren't recycled.

991
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:47.880
<v Speaker 2>But you know, curiously, if we're replacing thing a lot

992
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:54.039
<v Speaker 2>of animal products, leather of gelatine, poresine, and bovine heart

993
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:57.719
<v Speaker 2>valves that we use for transplant patients, Like there's the

994
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:01.280
<v Speaker 2>mice and rats that we use to study, you know, disease,

995
00:49:01.320 --> 00:49:03.559
<v Speaker 2>and like make it like, if we're getting rid of

996
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.480
<v Speaker 2>all of these things, what are we filling these gaps with?

997
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.239
<v Speaker 2>And from a from a materials perspective, that would be

998
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:11.639
<v Speaker 2>a lot more plastics, a lot more textiles, which are

999
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.280
<v Speaker 2>damaging to the environment and to the communities that are produced.

1000
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.159
<v Speaker 2>In the biomedical side, we're losing a tremendous amount of

1001
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:20.360
<v Speaker 2>technology and innovation that would save thousands millions of lives

1002
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:22.840
<v Speaker 2>if we you know, so, like, what where's the line

1003
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.440
<v Speaker 2>there in terms of like service animals. I mean, flip dude,

1004
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:27.960
<v Speaker 2>where's the line here in terms of like using animals

1005
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.639
<v Speaker 2>to benefit humans? Where we're like we were saying we

1006
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:31.559
<v Speaker 2>can no longer do that.

1007
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm not against people using service animals. I don't think

1008
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.639
<v Speaker 3>there's a service animal unless you're deliberately mistreating service animals

1009
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:39.039
<v Speaker 3>in some sort of way. I don't know.

1010
00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:41.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't just mean you know, sorry, I don't mean

1011
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:42.840
<v Speaker 2>to get you. I don't just mean service animals for

1012
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:45.039
<v Speaker 2>like you know, blind people for example, or for like

1013
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:47.840
<v Speaker 2>like anxiety or whatever. Like I'm saying, like when we

1014
00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:51.119
<v Speaker 2>use animals as like tools, like when we use them

1015
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.199
<v Speaker 2>for hunting, we use them for bomb sniffing, when we

1016
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.079
<v Speaker 2>use them for drug sniffing, like that is putting those

1017
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:56.159
<v Speaker 2>animals in harms.

1018
00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:58.519
<v Speaker 3>To be clear, the vegan perspective would be there would

1019
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 3>be no hunting, right, so that that's one thing. But

1020
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:04.840
<v Speaker 3>but but yeah, so I mean, uh. Peter Singer, I think,

1021
00:50:04.880 --> 00:50:07.400
<v Speaker 3>also talks about this in his book and Deliberation. He

1022
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.840
<v Speaker 3>actually talks about the you know, the benefits that come

1023
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:13.960
<v Speaker 3>with using animal models versus computer models when it comes

1024
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:16.880
<v Speaker 3>to research in uh, you know, modern medicine and also

1025
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:19.239
<v Speaker 3>well one he makes the case that there's a lot

1026
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.159
<v Speaker 3>of unnecessary abuse that occurs. And I'm sure you're aware

1027
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:24.960
<v Speaker 3>of this as well. The perfume industry for example, when

1028
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:26.679
<v Speaker 3>we know, like, hey, we want to make sure that

1029
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.280
<v Speaker 3>this stuff is safer testing, we do that by basically,

1030
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, like spraying stuff in like rabbits eyes and

1031
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:34.760
<v Speaker 3>stuff and seeing if, like you know, they react to that,

1032
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:37.039
<v Speaker 3>which is of course painful to the rabbit and stuff.

1033
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.960
<v Speaker 3>So there's sure, you know, there's there's there's you know,

1034
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:41.760
<v Speaker 3>benefits that come with But.

1035
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.360
<v Speaker 2>To play Devil's advocate there, like that is done so

1036
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:46.840
<v Speaker 2>that if we find out the rabbit goes blind, we

1037
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:49.079
<v Speaker 2>don't mass market that to humans, to blind a bunch

1038
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.960
<v Speaker 2>of humans. Yeah, so like I'd rather blind one rabbit

1039
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.840
<v Speaker 2>than like ten thousand kids who sprayed perfume in their face.

1040
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:57.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, let's say too, Let's say this because you

1041
00:50:57.159 --> 00:50:58.920
<v Speaker 3>you you there's a lot of things that I don't

1042
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:01.480
<v Speaker 3>think I can cover in a single call with you here.

1043
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:04.480
<v Speaker 3>WHATEVERULD say is what the simplest case I can make,

1044
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:07.199
<v Speaker 3>right is, let's say that there is a category of

1045
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:10.440
<v Speaker 3>this is absolutely what has to happen with animals in

1046
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.039
<v Speaker 3>order for humans to flourish. Right, Let's say that exists,

1047
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.440
<v Speaker 3>And some vegans may agree with you there and say, hey,

1048
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.159
<v Speaker 3>like yeah, actually that exists. There has to be some

1049
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:19.519
<v Speaker 3>animals that are done for this testing or this kind

1050
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:24.239
<v Speaker 3>of thing. Right, does that category include my McDonald's cheeseburger?

1051
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:24.599
<v Speaker 6>Right?

1052
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:26.159
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so, And I don't think you would

1053
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:26.760
<v Speaker 3>think so either.

1054
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:27.000
<v Speaker 8>Right.

1055
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:30.280
<v Speaker 3>I think there's definitely going to be right instances where

1056
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.280
<v Speaker 3>we don't actually need to use as much animals as

1057
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:35.840
<v Speaker 3>we have to wind, if not for moral reasons, we

1058
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:37.880
<v Speaker 3>can talk about climate reasons, we can talk about for

1059
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:41.480
<v Speaker 3>all these other things. Right, So, like, is is everybody

1060
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:44.159
<v Speaker 3>going being vegan going to address every single issue or

1061
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:47.360
<v Speaker 3>problem that comes we're using animals? Is it going to?

1062
00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Are we going to have instant solutions for every single thing?

1063
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:50.280
<v Speaker 2>No?

1064
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:53.239
<v Speaker 3>But how many solutions have we come up with now? Right?

1065
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.039
<v Speaker 3>Because more people are adopting an ethic that involves the

1066
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.960
<v Speaker 3>issueing of animal products, right, it has to happen at

1067
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:02.559
<v Speaker 3>some point we have to make changes. I think you

1068
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:04.519
<v Speaker 3>would agree with this too, right that, Like, look, we're

1069
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:06.840
<v Speaker 3>going to have to make global changes in our diet.

1070
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:08.840
<v Speaker 3>How many people are talking about bugs being used as

1071
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:11.760
<v Speaker 3>a protein source? Right, it's going to happen. For me?

1072
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:14.719
<v Speaker 3>That means making the cho changes in my life now

1073
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:17.320
<v Speaker 3>to do that. I don't have the answers for every

1074
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:20.679
<v Speaker 3>single you know, use case for animals. But I do

1075
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:23.119
<v Speaker 3>know that there's a lot more solutions than when people

1076
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:26.239
<v Speaker 3>give give it granted for and if I can at

1077
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:28.159
<v Speaker 3>least issue as much as I can, because I'm never

1078
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:30.159
<v Speaker 3>going to be perfect about it, right as if I

1079
00:52:30.239 --> 00:52:32.480
<v Speaker 3>drive my car, I might hit a fly or something, right,

1080
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:35.039
<v Speaker 3>And the debate, of course how much bugs factor into this,

1081
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.440
<v Speaker 3>But the point is I think I'm going to be

1082
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.760
<v Speaker 3>living more in align with my values if I try

1083
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:43.480
<v Speaker 3>to be as consistent as I can with my principles,

1084
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.039
<v Speaker 3>and that being issuing as much animal process as as

1085
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:48.840
<v Speaker 3>it means necessary for my own life. So there's my

1086
00:52:48.920 --> 00:52:49.840
<v Speaker 3>case there, Joe.

1087
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.159
<v Speaker 2>But I definitely want to I'm sorry, sorry, I just

1088
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.840
<v Speaker 2>very quick. I definitely want to just say I appreciate

1089
00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:58.559
<v Speaker 2>you saying that, because like it is a problem whenever

1090
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:01.719
<v Speaker 2>somebody tries to oppose a new system, Like anytime I

1091
00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:03.880
<v Speaker 2>talk about socialism or something, it's like, well, how are

1092
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:06.119
<v Speaker 2>you going to fix every single possible thing?

1093
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:06.639
<v Speaker 3>Right?

1094
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:08.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to go And I also don't want

1095
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:11.199
<v Speaker 2>to try to get on this moral like grandstand that

1096
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:13.039
<v Speaker 2>the people do this kind of sea lie anything where

1097
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:16.800
<v Speaker 2>it's like Okay, well you're you're still buying shoes, and

1098
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:19.800
<v Speaker 2>shoes are made by Child's Land. All these things, there's

1099
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:23.079
<v Speaker 2>any moral thing is going to overshadow this moral thing. Yeah,

1100
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:25.880
<v Speaker 2>I just that's I want to make sure that, like,

1101
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:29.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, for the people watching, you and I agree

1102
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:32.679
<v Speaker 2>on a lot about Yes.

1103
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:33.639
<v Speaker 1>It's just that extra bit.

1104
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:35.960
<v Speaker 2>So Yeah, I think I don't think there's anybody on

1105
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.599
<v Speaker 2>the shows that that disagrees on like the bulk of

1106
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:40.960
<v Speaker 2>the argument that that animals are treated poorly and should

1107
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.360
<v Speaker 2>be utilized less. I think that, Yeah, for sure.

1108
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:48.320
<v Speaker 1>I think that less. It's so it's so disheartening to

1109
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:52.239
<v Speaker 1>realize that whenever you're trying to work for some moral

1110
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:56.440
<v Speaker 1>good you uncover two or three more moral goods that

1111
00:53:56.719 --> 00:54:00.360
<v Speaker 1>you also have to face another challenge that have to

1112
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:02.679
<v Speaker 1>overcome in order to achieve the first thing. Right, So

1113
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:05.079
<v Speaker 1>I think that I think that kind of speaks to

1114
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:07.599
<v Speaker 1>the laundry list of things that Dan and Forrest kind

1115
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.719
<v Speaker 1>of just outlaid. But but aj, I'd like to ask

1116
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:12.559
<v Speaker 1>you you want to do you want to reflect on that,

1117
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:14.559
<v Speaker 1>and then we're going to move on to some other calls.

1118
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, no, absolutely, I think all of yous hit it

1119
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:20.719
<v Speaker 6>spot on, absolutely, and in the last few minutes when

1120
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:23.559
<v Speaker 6>you were saying that, you know, we shouldn't expect one

1121
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:26.119
<v Speaker 6>hundred percent of the population to go one hundred percent

1122
00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:29.360
<v Speaker 6>big And I think that the conversation is more about

1123
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:32.639
<v Speaker 6>trying to get people to realize that we can actually

1124
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:37.039
<v Speaker 6>use biology to inform the reduction of harm, not just

1125
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.400
<v Speaker 6>of humans, but of non human animals. And we know

1126
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:43.360
<v Speaker 6>that the use of animals, you know, as for as

1127
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:47.719
<v Speaker 6>mentioned alier, the environmental impact is pretty big and it's

1128
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:50.440
<v Speaker 6>it's definitely affects human world being.

1129
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:52.360
<v Speaker 3>But I'm really.

1130
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:55.559
<v Speaker 6>Glad that you guys did this back and forth conversation

1131
00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:58.800
<v Speaker 6>because that was exactly where where I was going. Like

1132
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:01.719
<v Speaker 6>the second part of my question was going to be about,

1133
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:06.400
<v Speaker 6>you know, uh, the biological implications of what how we

1134
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:10.639
<v Speaker 6>use animals and how we how do we decide were

1135
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:14.079
<v Speaker 6>to use animals. So because I often hear Forrest and

1136
00:55:14.239 --> 00:55:18.400
<v Speaker 6>Eric talk about the similarities between chimpanzees and you know,

1137
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.960
<v Speaker 6>like the brain that the DNA and behaviors being so

1138
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:25.760
<v Speaker 6>similar to humans. Dan mentioned, you know, things the news

1139
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:30.800
<v Speaker 6>for cardiac uh issues. My my teenager has, you know,

1140
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:34.719
<v Speaker 6>about replacements, and one of the options was a big valve.

1141
00:55:35.079 --> 00:55:37.559
<v Speaker 6>We went with the mechanical for for different reasons, but

1142
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:40.679
<v Speaker 6>you know that was an option and had I needed

1143
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:42.760
<v Speaker 6>to make that decision obviously.

1144
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you're going to save your child, right, Yeah,

1145
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:50.760
<v Speaker 1>And I think yeah, and I think Dan, you know,

1146
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.599
<v Speaker 1>Dan alluded to that those two points very well.

1147
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1148
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:57.320
<v Speaker 1>So so one, right, I don't think humans really understand

1149
00:55:57.320 --> 00:55:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and this speaks to your question initially about the biology.

1150
00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't think people really understand how similar

1151
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:07.119
<v Speaker 1>humans are to other animals. Right, And then also this

1152
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:10.880
<v Speaker 1>idea that we're not saying that sometimes, you know, an

1153
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:13.639
<v Speaker 1>animal might have to be impacted for humans to survive,

1154
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and and but that's that doesn't necessarily have to be

1155
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:19.840
<v Speaker 1>the default of our our everyday lives. And so there

1156
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:21.679
<v Speaker 1>is a distinction that can be made there. For me,

1157
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:26.079
<v Speaker 1>I think the case that Chase made to me was here,

1158
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I am being this activist against human suffering, but I'm

1159
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:33.199
<v Speaker 1>paying people to murder other animals just and it's okay

1160
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:35.199
<v Speaker 1>for me because they don't look like me. And I

1161
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:37.920
<v Speaker 1>was like, wow, dude, And so that's why I took

1162
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:41.280
<v Speaker 1>a step back to re examine everything. But aj, I

1163
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:43.840
<v Speaker 1>want to thank you for invoking a really thought provoking

1164
00:56:43.880 --> 00:56:47.519
<v Speaker 1>conversation between these two big brains to my right. Yeah,

1165
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:50.159
<v Speaker 1>if you're looking at the TV, it's my right. But yeah,

1166
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:52.559
<v Speaker 1>if I'm looking at it, they're on my left. Who knows,

1167
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:58.840
<v Speaker 1>it's subjective, but AJ, did you have any land? Did

1168
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you have any parting show? Before we move on, well.

1169
00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:03.440
<v Speaker 6>I mean, the last thing I will say is that,

1170
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:07.000
<v Speaker 6>you know, my my problem with this is like we

1171
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:11.320
<v Speaker 6>are kind of using the same argument that still using

1172
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:16.079
<v Speaker 6>that humans are superious creators and we shouldn't be used

1173
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:19.119
<v Speaker 6>in this kind of position. And yes, that's my ending.

1174
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:22.679
<v Speaker 1>That's important, that's an important point, and that it comes

1175
00:57:22.719 --> 00:57:26.280
<v Speaker 1>with the connection I think that Dan was making about Hey,

1176
00:57:26.440 --> 00:57:29.199
<v Speaker 1>how how similar are we all? Are we anyway? And

1177
00:57:29.360 --> 00:57:31.400
<v Speaker 1>I know that you've heard Forrest mention that mention that

1178
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:34.679
<v Speaker 1>if you've been watching him at all for the years

1179
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:37.639
<v Speaker 1>that he's been doing this, Yeah, I mean, we're all

1180
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:39.639
<v Speaker 1>just kind of we're all animals.

1181
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:41.840
<v Speaker 3>Right, And to be clear too, sorry to mean a

1182
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:44.280
<v Speaker 3>re you know, there's a there's a misconception as well

1183
00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:46.320
<v Speaker 3>that the case is like, oh, well, if there's a

1184
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:48.719
<v Speaker 3>fire and there's a dog and human, are you going

1185
00:57:48.760 --> 00:57:50.360
<v Speaker 3>to save the dog over the human. No, I will

1186
00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:52.519
<v Speaker 3>save the human every day of the week, right, but

1187
00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:54.559
<v Speaker 3>like that's that's not the point. The point is that

1188
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:57.599
<v Speaker 3>we're similar enough to where the dog does have some consideration,

1189
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:00.639
<v Speaker 3>then that I would make a consideration if possible, right,

1190
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:02.280
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, for sure, for sure.

1191
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:05.639
<v Speaker 1>All right, So, so uh this has been a great

1192
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:08.199
<v Speaker 1>call a j. We are gonna let you go and

1193
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:10.639
<v Speaker 1>continue with the rest of our show. Thank you so

1194
00:58:10.760 --> 00:58:13.280
<v Speaker 1>much for being for being a part of our being

1195
00:58:13.280 --> 00:58:16.679
<v Speaker 1>a part of our atheist community and call in any time,

1196
00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:18.639
<v Speaker 1>but we are gonna get going. Thank you so much,

1197
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.800
<v Speaker 1>and I hope you have a wonderful Sunday. So uh,

1198
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:25.119
<v Speaker 1>with that being said, guys, I could still I like,

1199
00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:26.960
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there are things I keep want to

1200
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.039
<v Speaker 1>say say, but like I just need to move on.

1201
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:31.599
<v Speaker 1>We just need to because amplished.

1202
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:33.239
<v Speaker 2>We could do that call all day.

1203
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:36.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, sure, for sure, but you know what we

1204
00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:38.199
<v Speaker 1>need to do, and we have to go to the

1205
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:40.880
<v Speaker 1>crew can because it's important that not only do people

1206
00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:43.360
<v Speaker 1>understand that we are all animals, uh.

1207
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:47.920
<v Speaker 3>But we are all working together the people handsome animals.

1208
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, So thank you everybody for making this show

1209
00:58:54.039 --> 00:58:57.000
<v Speaker 1>possible and for bringing us three on for bringing me on.

1210
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.679
<v Speaker 1>What the hell were you thinking? I've already screwed up

1211
00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:02.239
<v Speaker 1>a couple so I don't know. I don't think i've

1212
00:59:02.360 --> 00:59:02.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't.

1213
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Think i've worked with you. I think maybe we've done

1214
00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:05.760
<v Speaker 2>one show together, you and I.

1215
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:08.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, one what a couple of weeks or about

1216
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:09.960
<v Speaker 1>a month ago right at the backwards.

1217
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it was worth it to do so I

1218
00:59:11.880 --> 00:59:13.519
<v Speaker 2>wanted to. I wanted to work with you again. So

1219
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:13.920
<v Speaker 2>this is great.

1220
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't want we have good mojo. I think our

1221
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.079
<v Speaker 1>mojo is good. You know you haven't asked. I'm not

1222
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:19.880
<v Speaker 1>one of the people. I don't think that. Forrest said

1223
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:22.039
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't want to work with I mean, there's still time,

1224
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:24.639
<v Speaker 1>there's still time. But you know, I think it's going well.

1225
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:24.920
<v Speaker 3>Dan.

1226
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:26.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why you keep coming on with me.

1227
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:28.760
<v Speaker 1>I've been working for you, working with you for like

1228
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:33.079
<v Speaker 1>a year, and hey man, whatever, it's your life, folks.

1229
00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:34.880
<v Speaker 1>I got to get to some I got to get

1230
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:38.719
<v Speaker 1>to some announcements. One that I am super enthusiastic about

1231
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:40.920
<v Speaker 1>because I have bought a brick. Okay, I bought my

1232
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:44.360
<v Speaker 1>own brick. And it says something like religion is destructive

1233
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.119
<v Speaker 1>or something, and it's in the ground at the ACA

1234
00:59:47.239 --> 00:59:50.159
<v Speaker 1>headquarters as is Forrest's Dan, Do you have a brick there?

1235
00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:51.559
<v Speaker 3>No, you know, I need to get a break there.

1236
00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:51.800
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

1237
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:53.119
<v Speaker 3>Well I don't know why I haven't done yet.

1238
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:55.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad that you said that, because we are

1239
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:58.679
<v Speaker 1>now initiating phase two of the Brick fundraiser and we

1240
00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:01.360
<v Speaker 1>want to highlight some stand orders that we received. So

1241
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:05.079
<v Speaker 1>this week's featured brick goes out to Kim in Oregon.

1242
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:08.280
<v Speaker 1>I saw Forrest vomit on a boat. Love you too,

1243
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:12.159
<v Speaker 1>damn man, she got you. Thank you to your purchased Kim.

1244
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:15.159
<v Speaker 1>We weren't going to talk about that. You know, what

1245
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:18.679
<v Speaker 1>happens at the ACA bat Cruise stays at the bat Cruise.

1246
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:21.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's crazy. It was a different boat and

1247
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:22.760
<v Speaker 2>it was different vomit.

1248
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:25.320
<v Speaker 3>Wow yeah yeah, well, well.

1249
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:27.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess Forrest. You know, I thought maybe you were

1250
01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:29.519
<v Speaker 1>vomiting at the bat Cruise for some other reason, but

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out you can't handle boats. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>a wild time in South America.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool, well, Kim, thank you so much. Everybody else you

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<v Speaker 1>could get your bricks a tiny dot CC forward slash

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<v Speaker 1>call ACA Bricks and below the chat. We are running

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<v Speaker 1>it again. I want to remind everybody we're running at

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<v Speaker 1>the direct fundraiser to benefit Doctors Without Borders, so click

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<v Speaker 1>donate before the YouTube chat to give them money directly.

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<v Speaker 1>We will not take a cut of this, and we

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<v Speaker 1>have to have to talk about our top five patrons.

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<v Speaker 1>Who wants to read this? Dan? You want to read

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<v Speaker 1>the top five patrons?

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<v Speaker 3>Shoot? Okay, yeah, I got it, I got it. I'm here,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm here, all right. So top five patrons for this week.

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<v Speaker 3>Number one, oops, all Singularity, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 3>being our number one patriot. Number two comes from Dingleberry Jackson.

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<v Speaker 3>Number three Levy hell Vetti, who is also patron of

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<v Speaker 3>the week on Truth Wanted on Friday. Thank you, Clevi

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<v Speaker 3>hill Veddy. Number four was left in the leaves. Number five,

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<v Speaker 3>of course Neil the six oh four atheist, and honorable

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<v Speaker 3>mention goes to Michael Alessi. Thank you to everybody that

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<v Speaker 3>donates to the talk. Heithan Patreon. If you want to

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<v Speaker 3>have your name red on the air, then please consider

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<v Speaker 3>supporting us at tiny dot cc slash Patreon t h

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<v Speaker 3>y yep, yep yep. And on that note too, we

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<v Speaker 3>are going to be doing an after show after this,

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<v Speaker 3>so check that out as well. You know, if you're

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<v Speaker 3>cool hanging out with me, at least I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>be there. These two gentlemen will not be able to

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<v Speaker 3>make it today, but I'm going to stop by, So

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<v Speaker 3>check that out if you want.

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<v Speaker 2>And thank you to David haxe Or for donating another

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<v Speaker 2>twenty dollars, And thank you to Philip Mitchell for donating

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<v Speaker 2>another fifty dollars and bringing us closer and closer to

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<v Speaker 2>our goal of as much money as possible raise for

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<v Speaker 2>Doctors Without Boarders. That brings up to thirty thousand, three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twelve dollars that we have raised so far

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<v Speaker 2>to save lives all around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, this is really turning out to be a successful show,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm super excited about it. Yeah, thank you everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, just like taking time out of your day

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<v Speaker 1>to dedicate your attention, taking money out of your wallet

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<v Speaker 1>to dedicate your resources to other people, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you believe in God or not. Like we're on the

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<v Speaker 1>same team as my good friend's secularity would say, And

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<v Speaker 1>so I just think it's great. We're going to move

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<v Speaker 1>into a different call. We have had somebody waiting on

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<v Speaker 1>the line. We promised to take her call. I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>about this call. We're going to go to Nero and Tennessee. Neiro.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to say. We also we did a chat

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<v Speaker 2>Paul at the beginning of the show, and eight percent

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<v Speaker 2>of all people on the planet said that they would

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<v Speaker 2>call in and talk about how God helps people, helps

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<v Speaker 2>suffering people. It's eight percent of the chapel. That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's hundreds of millions of people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, our size is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, eight percent of all people. And they're obviously not

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. They're not doing it there. Don't don't be

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<v Speaker 1>a coward there on the internet and not in real life.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't think they can handle us. Jimmy, we're too tough,

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<v Speaker 3>We're too big. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Niro, you are on with Jimmy, Dan and Forrest.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going going good?

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<v Speaker 9>How are y'all doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Really good?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna plagiar eyes. Never had a bad day in

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<v Speaker 1>my life. Who says that there is so so?

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<v Speaker 3>Niro?

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<v Speaker 1>Your question, how likely is it that we find life

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<v Speaker 1>in our solar system? Given how deep the Earth we've

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<v Speaker 1>discovered life? Dan? You know, I think this has your

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<v Speaker 1>name written all over it.

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<v Speaker 3>And well, we weren't debating whether or not if we

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<v Speaker 3>discovered aliens tomorrow that like Doctors without Borders would go

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<v Speaker 3>help those aliens. So yeah, we're definitely down, definitely down

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<v Speaker 3>for that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if they're if Doctors without Borders is going

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<v Speaker 1>to live up to its name, they can't be.

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<v Speaker 3>They gotta go. We're in a human conflict with with aliens.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think the doctors without Borders would would would would.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be, they would be non combatants, they would have

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<v Speaker 1>to everybody.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, so what better way to build that union

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<v Speaker 9>with the.

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<v Speaker 1>Diplomacy. Diplomacy comes in so many forms. Never mind the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fact that, like we have no idea about any of

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<v Speaker 2>their anatomy and physiology, and penicillin is arsenic to them.

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<v Speaker 2>But it doesn't matter. We're gonna help.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So gentlemen, I don't know how you feel about the

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<v Speaker 1>likelihood of finding life in our solar system.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm one of these people. I'm I'm I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a it's a dichotomy. I Mean, on one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, man, I mean, it's got to

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<v Speaker 1>be out there. There's got to be a circumstance where.

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<v Speaker 3>It is in our Oh sorry I'm interrupting.

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<v Speaker 1>No, well, it's fine. It's fine because you're the truth

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<v Speaker 1>wanted guy.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't taken my medication in case you can't tell no. So,

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<v Speaker 3>so what I would say this is, if it's intrasolar system, right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's gonna be onlike Europa or some other moon where

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<v Speaker 3>like the water is frozen and it's gonna be like microbial.

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<v Speaker 3>If like you know, it's gonna be sub microbial. It's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be like single cell like, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>not super complex life at all. It's not gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>like aliens with rovers and ray guns and fighting will

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<v Speaker 3>Smith or whatever. It's gonna be like, oh hey, we

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<v Speaker 3>found something that we can only see through these electron microscopes.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. So that's my take.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, good point. You said solar system. I

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<v Speaker 1>was about to just take it, take it every everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh well, Nero specifically asked if we found life in

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<v Speaker 2>our solar system, and like that, I think Dan hit

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<v Speaker 2>the nail on the head. We were talking about places

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<v Speaker 2>like Europa where you have this like thick ice crust,

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<v Speaker 2>but you also have clearly like hot water underneath that ice.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you have geysers coming up all the time because

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<v Speaker 2>you have extreme tectonic activity, strong gravitational pull from its

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<v Speaker 2>associated planet. And so you've got rocky core, warm water,

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<v Speaker 2>and a shell that protects you from space. Those are

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<v Speaker 2>the ingredients for life. That's what we got here on

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<v Speaker 2>the planetar If we had a rocky center, we got

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<v Speaker 2>water and the rock meeting of the water, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we got an ozone that's protecting us from ionizing radiation,

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<v Speaker 2>an ice sheet over the top of do the same,

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<v Speaker 2>and so like, that's for sure the recipe for like

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<v Speaker 2>the conditions where life could happen, and not to like

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<v Speaker 2>just bring up the obvious fact that we find the

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<v Speaker 2>building blocks of life all over the place in space

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<v Speaker 2>all the time. So it would be I would be

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<v Speaker 2>shocked if they weren't on Europa to be there to

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<v Speaker 2>do some bubble and to do some verbal and do

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<v Speaker 2>some self assembly. So like not saying there is for

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<v Speaker 2>sure life there, but I would not be even a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit surprised if we were to find life in

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<v Speaker 2>a place like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Does it? Saturn also have a moon like called Titan,

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<v Speaker 1>where they think that there might also be life. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that what what kind of conditions are there that are

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<v Speaker 1>different from Europa.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me double check because I get these ones gonna

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<v Speaker 2>use is I'm not an astro guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, check one of the ones by somewhere else. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Also has a subsurface ocean looks like but I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the same situation. Europa has no significant atmosphere,

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<v Speaker 2>no greenoss warning. Europa might maintain liquid water interior. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the mechanism of tidal heating and radioactive decay. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>like when we talk about the geysers, that's where those

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<v Speaker 2>would be coming from. Otherwise I don't know where they're

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<v Speaker 2>coming from. There's an astrophysicist or an astronomer in the

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<v Speaker 2>chat right now who's screaming at his computer like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you're missing out on this thing. It's not just radioactive decay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's some other thing. Yeah, I I I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what the differences are, but I know that like if

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a moon like Europa like Titan, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure and sell of this as well, where

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<v Speaker 2>you have subsurface oceans or at least like contained oceans

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<v Speaker 2>of water that are liquid and that are protected from

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<v Speaker 2>ionizing radiation that I don't see a reason why that

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be a good candidates for eventual microbial life.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>The reason why I mentioned the deep biosphere is because

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<v Speaker 9>from what I've gathered, there's been some recent research into it,

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<v Speaker 9>and a lot of talk has popped up about we

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<v Speaker 9>have microbial organisms living anywhere between ten to twenty kilometers

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<v Speaker 9>below ground, completely separated, separated from the atmosphere, shielded from

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<v Speaker 9>all of the radiation from the Sun and outer space,

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<v Speaker 9>and so it's opened up the possibility of as long

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<v Speaker 9>as there's some sort of heating process like a core

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<v Speaker 9>or geologic activity, that there's even more places in the

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<v Speaker 9>Solar System for life to be possible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, I mean we're talking, Yeah, we're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>like all right, Forrest would know. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 3>much you know about astrobiology for us, maybe that's out there,

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<v Speaker 3>but like I don't know, Maybe I don't even know

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<v Speaker 3>if these cell walls I'm talking about, like they'd have

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<v Speaker 3>to be very base in brain structure, yea, but not

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<v Speaker 3>necessarily walls.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know even like like bacteria have cell

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<v Speaker 2>walls but bacteria are also like remarkably complex, like people

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<v Speaker 2>don't give them enough credit there, They are remarkably complex things,

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<v Speaker 2>and so like, Yeah, a very very very basic organism

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<v Speaker 2>that is prokaryotic that only has a cell membrane, doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have like the cell member would have to be a

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<v Speaker 2>fluid posaic, but it wouldn't have to be nearly as

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<v Speaker 2>complicated as as like what we have here. It's it's

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<v Speaker 2>wild the thing about just how basic things can get

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<v Speaker 2>and still be a functional, self replicating, evolving chemical system.

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<v Speaker 3>It's almost like God designed it right, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, it's a start that you know, well, so we.

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<v Speaker 3>A fake get content. That's it. That's what this show

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<v Speaker 3>has come to.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope we do find life in our solar system

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<v Speaker 1>because I can't wait to see what the impact would

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<v Speaker 1>be to the religious argument about finding life in our

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<v Speaker 1>solar system. And you know, on another note, while I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know much about biology or astrophysics, I do know

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<v Speaker 1>a thing or two about technological innovation, specifically from a

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Defense standpoint, from all my years working in

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<v Speaker 1>defense acquisitions. I would be willing to bet that there

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<v Speaker 1>is an active plan to get to Titan or to

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<v Speaker 1>get to these things right now. And I think while

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<v Speaker 1>I can't put a likelihood on how likely it is,

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<v Speaker 1>well we'll find life in our solar system, I would

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<v Speaker 1>I would say one hundred percent likely that we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to get there to Titan, Like that's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know when, but humans, human beings.

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<v Speaker 3>You think human beings are going to make it?

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<v Speaker 2>A robot not a robot?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I think a robot. I think a robot's

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01:10:57.399 --> 01:10:58.000
<v Speaker 1>definitely going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Get there, not send a human to Titan.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm going to get there, yeah, one way right another.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't recommend it for so many reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Nira, what do you think so far about our

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<v Speaker 1>conversation here? Our remarks?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it was mostly just to kind of get y'all's

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<v Speaker 9>view points on in particular the impact of what we

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<v Speaker 9>know about the deeposure now on it. But for like

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<v Speaker 9>how it would affect the religious standpoints. Honestly, I think

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<v Speaker 9>it would just reinforce the fine tuning argument in their minds,

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<v Speaker 9>and I don't think it would do much to dissuade

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<v Speaker 9>the majority.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. That was what actually like help my wife deconvert,

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<v Speaker 2>as she was very Christian and she was like, once

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<v Speaker 2>she learned about how big space is and how like

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01:11:42.920 --> 01:11:47.439
<v Speaker 2>unbelievably inevitable extress your life would be just just how

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01:11:47.479 --> 01:11:49.319
<v Speaker 2>big the universe is, and how unlikely it is that

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01:11:49.319 --> 01:11:51.720
<v Speaker 2>we're the only place of life, she was like, well, fuck,

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01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:54.920
<v Speaker 2>does everybody get their own Jesus? Then, like, it doesn't

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01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:56.960
<v Speaker 2>make any sense that we would give the one special

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<v Speaker 2>planet and all these other guys out here aren't getting

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<v Speaker 2>a God. And she had already been raised in such

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01:12:02.119 --> 01:12:04.359
<v Speaker 2>a way that she already knew every other religion was bullshit,

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<v Speaker 2>So as soon as she let go of that part,

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01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:09.000
<v Speaker 2>she was like, nope, done. So, like I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of I think you're right. I think a lot

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01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:14.359
<v Speaker 2>of people would stay very religious and would lean into

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<v Speaker 2>it further and say, okay, well these aliens are demons.

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<v Speaker 2>Or they would say, well, yeah, so life is all

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01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:21.359
<v Speaker 2>over the place. That's proof more that God is fine

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01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:23.520
<v Speaker 2>tuning this and that and the other. Or they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to say that, yeah, life is abundant, but we're at

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<v Speaker 2>the extra special cool kind because that's because we're chosen

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<v Speaker 2>with the God's chosen things. There's a lot of ways

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01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:34.800
<v Speaker 2>for that. But I think it would also drive a

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01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:36.520
<v Speaker 2>lot of people away and be like, oh, well, I

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01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:39.840
<v Speaker 2>guess I guess humans aren't so special after all. Earth

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01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:41.560
<v Speaker 2>isn't so special after all? You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I actually we talked about this on Truth Ponder

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01:12:43.800 --> 01:12:47.119
<v Speaker 3>on Friday. NASA a couple of years ago helped sponsor

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01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:50.039
<v Speaker 3>a program with the Center for Theological Inquiry. I couldn't

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01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:52.119
<v Speaker 3>remember what CTI stood for, but that's what it was

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01:12:52.319 --> 01:12:55.279
<v Speaker 3>from Princeton University, and the idea for this was, Hey,

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01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:58.600
<v Speaker 3>they want to know the sociological impact of what would

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01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:01.960
<v Speaker 3>happen or in the theologically also of what the interpretations

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01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:05.119
<v Speaker 3>would be if we were to discover life on Mars, right,

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01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:07.359
<v Speaker 3>because obviously that's going to affect Christianity in some way

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01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:10.039
<v Speaker 3>or another. Right. And I actually think Freedom from Religion

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01:13:10.039 --> 01:13:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Foundation actually sued that project, and I don't think it

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01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:14.000
<v Speaker 3>actually went all the way through, but some of the

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01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:15.479
<v Speaker 3>people who were a part of that did at least

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01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:17.920
<v Speaker 3>publish one book which has been on my wish list

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01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:19.760
<v Speaker 3>on Amazon for forever that I want to get to

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01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:21.960
<v Speaker 3>and see like kind of like what they were getting

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01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:24.640
<v Speaker 3>at with that, because it's an interesting question, right, like

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01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:27.279
<v Speaker 3>what's the Catholic Church's response going to be they're going

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01:13:27.359 --> 01:13:29.359
<v Speaker 3>to have to have some sort of dogma or something

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01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:31.720
<v Speaker 3>on whether we can convert the aliens to Jesus or

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01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:34.399
<v Speaker 3>did Jesus die for the aliens or not. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of the questions there that obviously are

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01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:38.840
<v Speaker 3>don't really mean much to us atheist, but wouldn't matter

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01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:41.439
<v Speaker 3>to folks who are religious. So it is kind of interesting.

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<v Speaker 9>If I remember what the Pope said, he said something

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01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:48.560
<v Speaker 9>along the lines of he wouldn't try to force Christianity

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01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:50.520
<v Speaker 9>on them, but if any of them wanted to convert

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<v Speaker 9>and beat baptized.

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<v Speaker 3>He would offer it. Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely a precedent

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01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:56.399
<v Speaker 3>for that. They've never tried to force people before, so

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01:13:56.439 --> 01:13:57.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>We trust in that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's true.

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01:13:59.319 --> 01:14:02.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they offer them to be baptized, and that it

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01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:04.079
<v Speaker 2>turns out as the aliens from signs and they just

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01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:05.279
<v Speaker 2>melt and.

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01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:05.479
<v Speaker 3>They melt them.

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01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, damn.

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01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:09.560
<v Speaker 3>It's really into melting aliens today for us.

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01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:15.359
<v Speaker 1>I think I think Christians are gonna man. I would

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01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:20.039
<v Speaker 1>love to see the arguments, the justifications they come up with,

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01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:25.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, taking scripture and uh post hoc rationalizing kind

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01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:27.239
<v Speaker 1>of the way that it all fits into this. I

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01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:31.119
<v Speaker 1>could see Revelation being invoked them over and over and over.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. I think there'll be two parts. Actually, I think

1551
01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:36.600
<v Speaker 3>there'd be a subset of human supremacist Christians who would say, no,

1552
01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:40.279
<v Speaker 3>God actually made us dominion over all God's creation, and

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01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:43.439
<v Speaker 3>so we need to be the arbiters of right and wrong,

1554
01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:45.560
<v Speaker 3>et cetera. And then there'd be a subject of that

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01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:48.119
<v Speaker 3>with liberal Christians who would say, no, God, we're all

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01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:50.399
<v Speaker 3>a part of God's creation and they deserve salvation. I

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01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:52.479
<v Speaker 3>definitely I'm going to write a book about this now,

1558
01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:55.880
<v Speaker 3>and so don't take my ideas copyright, coveryright coverry, trademark,

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01:14:56.079 --> 01:14:56.800
<v Speaker 3>trademarking all this.

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01:14:57.319 --> 01:15:00.159
<v Speaker 1>Actually your ideas are owned by the atheist community of bost.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, all right, no, oh no, that sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>But how we feel? How are we at a place

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01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:09.079
<v Speaker 1>where you feel comfortable that your question was answered? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you have any remarks?

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<v Speaker 9>Absolutely, I feel like everything was answered.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 9>I love the discussion, and I'm gonna let y'all get

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01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:18.239
<v Speaker 9>on to other callers. The only thing I want to

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01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:21.600
<v Speaker 9>add in before I run off is for the apocalypse,

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01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:23.960
<v Speaker 9>i'd have to pick Kirby and Kirby fans know why

1571
01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:26.760
<v Speaker 9>but Leon is a good choice because he'll never run

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01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:27.640
<v Speaker 9>out of backflips.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, thank you. Go with the video game stuff.

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01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:33.000
<v Speaker 3>I agreed Kirby. If you don't know Kurk, I'm talking

1575
01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:35.159
<v Speaker 3>about Kirby like the Pink guy. There's a lot of

1576
01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:38.359
<v Speaker 3>crazy stuff about Kirby. He's basically an Eldridge monster. If

1577
01:15:38.359 --> 01:15:42.720
<v Speaker 3>you know the war, it's truly horrific. When you Thretty, well, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Nero man involved. You know, I appreciate that she

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01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:50.159
<v Speaker 1>uh not only came up with some thought provoking conversation

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01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:52.600
<v Speaker 1>but got involved with the question of the week. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that's true support right there.

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<v Speaker 3>Heck yeah, you know what else is true support? Donating

1583
01:15:56.920 --> 01:15:59.520
<v Speaker 3>to Doctors Without Borders, which we are doing a fundraiser

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01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:02.119
<v Speaker 3>for it this weekend, and for ust you got more

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<v Speaker 3>thanks to read on for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we got another twenty Canadian dollars from David

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<v Speaker 2>Hasor we're doing that call. And twenty more Canadian dollars

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<v Speaker 2>from Lee g And I don't remember if I already

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<v Speaker 2>said Philip Mitchell doing it a fifty dollars not, but

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<v Speaker 2>that was in there somewhere. Overall, the total so far

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<v Speaker 2>raised the Doctors of that borders over the course of

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<v Speaker 2>role for initiatives fourteen episodes and Truth Wanted and now

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<v Speaker 2>Talk Ethan and the Cash Chat Show and all the

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<v Speaker 2>things all together, we have raised thirty thousand dollars, three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thirty thousand, three hundred and forty one dollars. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why I try to say it weird than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty thousand, three hundred and forty one dollars. That's going

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<v Speaker 2>to bandages, that's going to IVS, that's going to insulin,

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to medications, that's going to keeping people alive

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<v Speaker 2>in crisis zones all around the world. If you care

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<v Speaker 2>about the people in Congo, in Sudan, in Palestine and Yemen,

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<v Speaker 2>If you care about the people who are suffering and

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<v Speaker 2>dying at this very moment in places where they are

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<v Speaker 2>not at fault, where they are just people trying to

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<v Speaker 2>live their lives, and governments and wars and religions and

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<v Speaker 2>genocides are going on around them. If you care about

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<v Speaker 2>individual human beings, whether you were atheist, theist, anybody. If

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<v Speaker 2>you are a human and you care about other humans,

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<v Speaker 2>please donate to Docs without borders help save those lives

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<v Speaker 2>and forty one dollars so far. Please help get us

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<v Speaker 2>further because we need your help and forrest. Actually, somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who is a big fan of yours sent.

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<v Speaker 1>In a donation if you check out check out the

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenty dollars donation from Tina from Hamilton, Ontario said

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<v Speaker 2>she met me at Baha Khan. Well cool, Well, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much, Tina, I appreciate it. Hello from not

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<v Speaker 2>Baha Khan. I'm back wafe home from Canada. I escaped

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<v Speaker 2>Canada and I made it all the way back here

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<v Speaker 2>to good old Loclahoma, a place where we justice mandated

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<v Speaker 2>that every public school classroom must have a copy of

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible endorsed by Donald John Trump. That's a real

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I was. That's not a joke, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>a bit In Oklahoma, we actually just mandated that every

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<v Speaker 2>public school classroom must have and teach the Bible, and

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<v Speaker 2>that Bible must be endorsed by Donald Trump. That is

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<v Speaker 2>actually what has happened in the hell that I live in.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to meet you to Canada, for us.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't. I can't let that go without telling you

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01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:35.000
<v Speaker 1>how how blown my mind was with the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you gave me of that Bible that amendments eleven through

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen were removed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it does not include those specifically the amendments about

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01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:47.880
<v Speaker 2>not having slavery and that that race does not determine

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01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:50.479
<v Speaker 2>to write to vote that those that part is not

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01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:53.359
<v Speaker 2>in the Bible. In the in the thing, it includes

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01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:56.600
<v Speaker 2>the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the Declaration

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01:18:56.640 --> 01:19:00.680
<v Speaker 2>of Independence. And from what I hear all the other

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01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:06.039
<v Speaker 2>amendments besides numbers eleven through seventeen, That's what I'm hearing

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<v Speaker 2>from it. Also measured constraints just donated one hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so freaking much, from that being your wallets

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01:19:13.520 --> 01:19:16.199
<v Speaker 2>and your hearts to make this whole thing possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that Bible debacle is exactly why we have

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01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:23.600
<v Speaker 1>the conversations that we have like this is the religion

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01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:27.920
<v Speaker 1>is literally taking a education away from the people who

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<v Speaker 1>would benefit from it most, the young people, the people

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01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:34.520
<v Speaker 1>who can be attacked by religion most easily. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is how it happens, you know, removing the facts, removing

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01:19:38.880 --> 01:19:43.359
<v Speaker 1>certain certain things about our history or just the truth, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it is true that eleven and eleven through seventeen

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01:19:47.119 --> 01:19:51.560
<v Speaker 1>actually exists, So why take that away? Why we do

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<v Speaker 1>what we do? A perfect representation, gentlemen. We have one

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<v Speaker 1>more call that I'd like to get to, and I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to go to North Carolina. Homelander. Key him. Homelander

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01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:04.920
<v Speaker 1>is a queer atheist currently a university student. Homelander, you

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01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:07.439
<v Speaker 1>are on with Jimmy Dan and Forrest. I'd like to

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01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:09.560
<v Speaker 1>hear a little bit more about what's on your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh my goodness, Oh this is just this is just

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<v Speaker 8>so great.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a big fan of the show.

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<v Speaker 8>I've been watching it for a long time, especially Forrest's

1665
01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:23.000
<v Speaker 8>just you know, I'm more of like a science centered student.

1666
01:20:23.039 --> 01:20:28.760
<v Speaker 8>I'm actually a freshman here at wake and so like, oh, sorry,

1667
01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.720
<v Speaker 8>so I kind of wanted to talk about, like see,

1668
01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:34.159
<v Speaker 8>like at a wake, there are a lot of like

1669
01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:39.319
<v Speaker 8>faith based groups, you know, you have like a Christian group,

1670
01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:41.560
<v Speaker 8>like a Muslim group for like them to hang out,

1671
01:20:41.760 --> 01:20:44.600
<v Speaker 8>you know. And there is an LGBTQ plus center and

1672
01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:47.439
<v Speaker 8>it's right next to the Women's Center in the Benson

1673
01:20:47.479 --> 01:20:50.720
<v Speaker 8>Building and that's really nice. But there isn't really like

1674
01:20:50.760 --> 01:20:53.840
<v Speaker 8>a Secular Student Alliance or anything like that, you know,

1675
01:20:54.119 --> 01:20:56.600
<v Speaker 8>And I was thinking, you know, maybe once I have

1676
01:20:56.680 --> 01:21:00.319
<v Speaker 8>a little more time here at the school, like maybe

1677
01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:03.000
<v Speaker 8>when I'm like a sophomore junior, I should kind of

1678
01:21:03.199 --> 01:21:05.239
<v Speaker 8>like maybe set up like a group like that to

1679
01:21:05.279 --> 01:21:05.680
<v Speaker 8>say like.

1680
01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:06.920
<v Speaker 1>Hey, hey, why would you wait?

1681
01:21:07.000 --> 01:21:08.119
<v Speaker 4>Don't believe in any of this?

1682
01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Why would you wait?

1683
01:21:09.880 --> 01:21:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you this, Homelander, as someone who has

1684
01:21:12.039 --> 01:21:14.520
<v Speaker 3>I've personally worked with the Secular Student Alliance for a

1685
01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:17.039
<v Speaker 3>number of different things. If you ask, they will give

1686
01:21:17.039 --> 01:21:20.119
<v Speaker 3>you the resources that you need. Okay. Like if you're like, hey,

1687
01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:22.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm interested in starting a charter here, They're like, Okay,

1688
01:21:22.760 --> 01:21:24.199
<v Speaker 3>what do we need to give you to make sure

1689
01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:26.399
<v Speaker 3>that a charter gets started? You know, like if it's

1690
01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:28.720
<v Speaker 3>something that you're serious about, like the sooner you get done,

1691
01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:30.119
<v Speaker 3>the better, because you're only going to be at school

1692
01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:32.840
<v Speaker 3>for so many years, right, So setting up that infrastructure

1693
01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:35.600
<v Speaker 3>not just for yourself but for future students, that's a

1694
01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:36.239
<v Speaker 3>big deal.

1695
01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Just saying yep, yeah, Homelander, I think I asked like

1696
01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:41.239
<v Speaker 1>why would you wait? Because you know you don't you

1697
01:21:41.239 --> 01:21:43.079
<v Speaker 1>have to hear that old adage like the perfect time

1698
01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:45.520
<v Speaker 1>is now. I feel like that's true in a lot

1699
01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:48.840
<v Speaker 1>of circumstances. You know, Let's let's get a let's get

1700
01:21:48.840 --> 01:21:50.479
<v Speaker 1>ahead of this thing. You know, figure out what are

1701
01:21:50.479 --> 01:21:52.439
<v Speaker 1>the kinks, what are the obstacles I'm working with? What

1702
01:21:52.479 --> 01:21:55.479
<v Speaker 1>do I uh, what do I need to get this done?

1703
01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you wait till your junior year and

1704
01:21:57.560 --> 01:22:01.079
<v Speaker 1>it takes you a year to really figure out how

1705
01:22:01.119 --> 01:22:04.000
<v Speaker 1>to lay down the success of this organization, you may

1706
01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:06.720
<v Speaker 1>be you may be departing by the time you're ready

1707
01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:09.920
<v Speaker 1>to get going. So I say, you got a good idea, man,

1708
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:10.560
<v Speaker 1>let's go.

1709
01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:11.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1710
01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:15.000
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's just like yeah, it's you know, I'm only eighteen,

1711
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:16.119
<v Speaker 8>I'm a freshman.

1712
01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:17.399
<v Speaker 4>You know, I want to do it.

1713
01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:20.079
<v Speaker 8>But like I have a lot of like anxiety, you know,

1714
01:22:20.359 --> 01:22:22.479
<v Speaker 8>I have Like there's a lot of like I guess,

1715
01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:25.880
<v Speaker 8>like emotional baggage and stuff that like comes from my

1716
01:22:26.119 --> 01:22:27.359
<v Speaker 8>like my younger years.

1717
01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:27.560
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1718
01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:30.439
<v Speaker 8>I grew up in a place, you know, like where

1719
01:22:30.520 --> 01:22:33.039
<v Speaker 8>Forrest was talking about how he was in third grade

1720
01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:36.960
<v Speaker 8>and like Hugh said, oh, you believe in God? Which God,

1721
01:22:37.159 --> 01:22:38.800
<v Speaker 8>and like it didn't go overwell, Like it was kind

1722
01:22:38.840 --> 01:22:40.840
<v Speaker 8>of a similar thing to me where in like I

1723
01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:44.840
<v Speaker 8>was in fifth grade and people are talking about what

1724
01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:48.119
<v Speaker 8>do you think about like God's plan for us and stuff,

1725
01:22:48.119 --> 01:22:50.479
<v Speaker 8>and I said, I don't really believe in God. And

1726
01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:52.720
<v Speaker 8>the next thing I knew, I was in a headlock.

1727
01:22:52.840 --> 01:22:57.560
<v Speaker 1>So like, you know that, I am so sorry dude

1728
01:22:57.680 --> 01:22:59.439
<v Speaker 1>that you had to go through that. But let me

1729
01:22:59.479 --> 01:22:59.920
<v Speaker 1>tell yourself.

1730
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, no, no, you first, all right.

1731
01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you something. So so we could all

1732
01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:08.800
<v Speaker 1>find excuses all the time about why we might not

1733
01:23:08.920 --> 01:23:11.520
<v Speaker 1>be cut out to do certain things, yet we still

1734
01:23:11.520 --> 01:23:14.600
<v Speaker 1>do them. We have to really push ourselves to take

1735
01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:18.439
<v Speaker 1>take that step to stand up and be an example.

1736
01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:20.920
<v Speaker 1>And for you, you know, I think that that's possible.

1737
01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:24.600
<v Speaker 1>All right, So you are not only eighteen. You're eighteen, right,

1738
01:23:25.039 --> 01:23:28.880
<v Speaker 1>You are not somebody who had this lifestyle and it

1739
01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:31.640
<v Speaker 1>was hard. You're somebody that took a step to go

1740
01:23:31.720 --> 01:23:35.159
<v Speaker 1>away to college to get to get a scholarly the

1741
01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:39.560
<v Speaker 1>scholarly exposure that's going to help you become a better person,

1742
01:23:39.600 --> 01:23:41.600
<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure that that's what you want. You want

1743
01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:45.800
<v Speaker 1>to be educated, and now you're actively looking for ways

1744
01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:49.640
<v Speaker 1>to make other people's lives better. So instead, why don't

1745
01:23:49.640 --> 01:23:53.119
<v Speaker 1>you draw from the confidence that you should have as

1746
01:23:53.159 --> 01:23:58.079
<v Speaker 1>being somebody who withstood those headlocks, withstood all the reasons

1747
01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that you could have possibly found to go to college,

1748
01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and still doing that. Right, Let's take this great idea,

1749
01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:06.960
<v Speaker 1>let's take that leadership, and let's implement that you can

1750
01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:09.159
<v Speaker 1>do it. And the first way to do that, I

1751
01:24:09.159 --> 01:24:12.119
<v Speaker 1>think is to really say I am capable, right, and

1752
01:24:12.199 --> 01:24:14.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't have all these reasons that are going to

1753
01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>prevent me. In fact, I'm going to do it despite

1754
01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:19.159
<v Speaker 1>those reasons or in spite of those reasons. And I

1755
01:24:19.159 --> 01:24:22.119
<v Speaker 1>hope that's motivational for you, because you're at a time

1756
01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:24.199
<v Speaker 1>of your life man, that you're you're never going to

1757
01:24:24.239 --> 01:24:27.079
<v Speaker 1>get back, you know, like this is this is college,

1758
01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:30.399
<v Speaker 1>Like this is an awesome time to really branch out

1759
01:24:30.439 --> 01:24:34.479
<v Speaker 1>and challenge yourself and find yourself and help other people

1760
01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:36.520
<v Speaker 1>do that as well. And that's just kind of me

1761
01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:38.920
<v Speaker 1>on my soapbox. So I hope that's helpful.

1762
01:24:39.039 --> 01:24:41.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll say this too. You know, you don't have

1763
01:24:41.199 --> 01:24:43.640
<v Speaker 3>to do this by yourself, right, Like I know that

1764
01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:46.479
<v Speaker 3>they're like Jimmy's doing a very good motivational speech that

1765
01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:48.359
<v Speaker 3>makes you sound like you're on a like a noble

1766
01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:51.239
<v Speaker 3>quest to save the world, and it's not just you.

1767
01:24:51.239 --> 01:24:52.960
<v Speaker 3>You don't have It doesn't have to be just you,

1768
01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Like I said, like the regular student a lines, if

1769
01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:57.239
<v Speaker 3>you are really interested, they will help gets you and

1770
01:24:57.359 --> 01:24:59.359
<v Speaker 3>they can get you the resources and you can work

1771
01:24:59.359 --> 01:25:01.880
<v Speaker 3>with them to make sure that you're doing something that

1772
01:25:02.119 --> 01:25:04.279
<v Speaker 3>is going to be like really really great for not

1773
01:25:04.359 --> 01:25:06.399
<v Speaker 3>just you, but also the people around you. And wouldn't

1774
01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:08.800
<v Speaker 3>you want to hang out with other folks like yourself

1775
01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:12.000
<v Speaker 3>on campus and like be feel like that you're represented

1776
01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:15.000
<v Speaker 3>as well, right, because the alternative is what you go

1777
01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:18.000
<v Speaker 3>through the rest of your college experience, not being able

1778
01:25:18.039 --> 01:25:20.000
<v Speaker 3>to have a place where you can feel safe with

1779
01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:22.720
<v Speaker 3>other students talking about these religious issues. I went to

1780
01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:26.840
<v Speaker 3>a college that absolutely benefited from having a secular student

1781
01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:29.199
<v Speaker 3>alliance because there were so many other religious groups on

1782
01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:32.000
<v Speaker 3>campus trying to like tell kids like hey, abortion is

1783
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:35.079
<v Speaker 3>evil and you're and you're a slut for wearing clothing

1784
01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:36.560
<v Speaker 3>the way that you're wearing, Like you know, it was

1785
01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:38.039
<v Speaker 3>it was almost like a safe David. So, I don't

1786
01:25:38.079 --> 01:25:40.239
<v Speaker 3>know where you're at right and how your college is,

1787
01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:42.760
<v Speaker 3>but I do think it's worth looking into and if

1788
01:25:42.800 --> 01:25:45.039
<v Speaker 3>you need the help to do it, you know the

1789
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:48.279
<v Speaker 3>resources are out there. So anyway, we're really I don't

1790
01:25:48.279 --> 01:25:50.199
<v Speaker 3>know if this is exactly what you want to call about,

1791
01:25:50.600 --> 01:25:52.479
<v Speaker 3>but we are turning this into a hey, you should

1792
01:25:52.479 --> 01:25:53.039
<v Speaker 3>totally do this.

1793
01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would throw in there, you know, like that

1794
01:25:56.039 --> 01:25:58.800
<v Speaker 2>just you said at the beginning area, Somewhere in there

1795
01:25:58.800 --> 01:26:00.840
<v Speaker 2>you said I'm only a eighteen.

1796
01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Alliance groups too, Yeah, who do that?

1797
01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Like when you say you're only eighteen, it's important to

1798
01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:10.159
<v Speaker 2>remember that that's you're now at the time when you

1799
01:26:10.199 --> 01:26:13.600
<v Speaker 2>can legally do stuff and people will not get in

1800
01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:15.800
<v Speaker 2>your way and demand you have a parent involved and

1801
01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:17.800
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. This is your chance to be weird.

1802
01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:21.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've ever told this story online, but

1803
01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>eighteen is when I started my first company. I filed

1804
01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:26.199
<v Speaker 2>It costs one hundred bucks to file an LLC with

1805
01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:28.760
<v Speaker 2>the Secretary of State here in Oklahoma, and I, like

1806
01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Sam Near, on my birthday, I sent off and did that.

1807
01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:35.600
<v Speaker 2>And I started a charity organization with my friends. And

1808
01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:38.119
<v Speaker 2>it was poorly run because it was a bunch of

1809
01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:40.439
<v Speaker 2>eighteen year olds run and we didn't do a phenomenal job.

1810
01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:43.880
<v Speaker 2>But we we brought in several thousand dollars worth of

1811
01:26:43.960 --> 01:26:49.920
<v Speaker 2>toys and clothes that we gave to the homeless shelter

1812
01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:52.760
<v Speaker 2>and to the children's shelter in our town. The children

1813
01:26:52.800 --> 01:26:54.760
<v Speaker 2>shelter isn't even there anymore, but like we did a

1814
01:26:54.760 --> 01:26:58.560
<v Speaker 2>whole Easter egg and a Christmas thing for those kids,

1815
01:26:59.039 --> 01:27:01.520
<v Speaker 2>all with donated items. Were we brought in a ton

1816
01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:04.119
<v Speaker 2>of clothes that we gave out to a local homo

1817
01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>shelters were Like we brought in a ton of food.

1818
01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:10.880
<v Speaker 2>There was this soup kitchen here in Tulsa that was

1819
01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:12.680
<v Speaker 2>the only one that didn't require you to sit through

1820
01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:15.000
<v Speaker 2>a sermon to get food, and we brought in them

1821
01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:18.600
<v Speaker 2>several hundred dollars with a food Like eighteen was the

1822
01:27:18.680 --> 01:27:21.880
<v Speaker 2>second I started. I was able to do stuff on

1823
01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:24.880
<v Speaker 2>my own legally, and I took full advantage of that,

1824
01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:27.319
<v Speaker 2>and I haven't stopped since. And not everything I've done

1825
01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:29.479
<v Speaker 2>has been a successful. Most of the projects that I've

1826
01:27:29.479 --> 01:27:31.800
<v Speaker 2>worked on have been failures. I can't tell you how

1827
01:27:31.800 --> 01:27:35.760
<v Speaker 2>many times I have booked Why we used to save

1828
01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:38.560
<v Speaker 2>up money for months to book a spot at the

1829
01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:41.520
<v Speaker 2>community center to go and give it free lessons and

1830
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:44.640
<v Speaker 2>speeches and stuff and do community events, and they bombed

1831
01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:47.039
<v Speaker 2>and I wasted tons of time and money and I

1832
01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:49.239
<v Speaker 2>failed over and over and over and over and over

1833
01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:51.399
<v Speaker 2>and over until I got to a point where I

1834
01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:53.439
<v Speaker 2>was successful at these things and I was able to

1835
01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:55.920
<v Speaker 2>make a career out of this stuff. And now that

1836
01:27:56.039 --> 01:27:58.880
<v Speaker 2>is my career, is trying to help people and trying

1837
01:27:58.920 --> 01:28:00.640
<v Speaker 2>to make the world a better place and doing public

1838
01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:03.079
<v Speaker 2>speaking and stuff. So like, you are at a critical

1839
01:28:03.079 --> 01:28:06.079
<v Speaker 2>point in your life where you get to start failing

1840
01:28:06.119 --> 01:28:08.279
<v Speaker 2>in the right direction, and I encourage you not to

1841
01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:10.840
<v Speaker 2>let the fear of failure, or the fear of your age,

1842
01:28:11.199 --> 01:28:14.119
<v Speaker 2>or the fear of acceptance, or the fear of permission,

1843
01:28:14.479 --> 01:28:16.199
<v Speaker 2>or any of those things stand in your way. You

1844
01:28:16.199 --> 01:28:18.760
<v Speaker 2>want to do something, go fucking do it. And if

1845
01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:21.399
<v Speaker 2>somebody tells you shouldn't do it, go fucking do it anyway.

1846
01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:23.920
<v Speaker 2>And nobody gives you any help, go fucking do it anyway.

1847
01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:26.399
<v Speaker 2>And if you need some assistance and you can't find any,

1848
01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:28.279
<v Speaker 2>go fucking do it anyway. And if you don't have

1849
01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:30.439
<v Speaker 2>the funding, go fucking do it anyway. And if you

1850
01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:32.520
<v Speaker 2>don't have the resources of the talent, go fucking do

1851
01:28:32.600 --> 01:28:35.159
<v Speaker 2>it anyway. The only time that you shouldn't go fucking

1852
01:28:35.199 --> 01:28:38.279
<v Speaker 2>do something is if it would be morally problematic for

1853
01:28:38.359 --> 01:28:41.399
<v Speaker 2>you to do it without the by yourself. But in

1854
01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:44.640
<v Speaker 2>most situations, if you're just trying to help people, the

1855
01:28:44.800 --> 01:28:48.600
<v Speaker 2>answer is go fucking do it. And especially at eighteen,

1856
01:28:48.840 --> 01:28:51.359
<v Speaker 2>I always say, if you are trying to find yourself,

1857
01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:54.439
<v Speaker 2>the best way to find yourself is to lose yourself

1858
01:28:54.479 --> 01:28:56.399
<v Speaker 2>in the service of other people. So at this point

1859
01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:58.399
<v Speaker 2>in your life. The way I found science, the way

1860
01:28:58.439 --> 01:29:00.800
<v Speaker 2>I found education, the way I found public speaking was

1861
01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:03.520
<v Speaker 2>because those were places where I found my talents came

1862
01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:06.680
<v Speaker 2>out the most win being helpful. When when helping other people,

1863
01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:09.560
<v Speaker 2>you find that intersection between your passion and your talent

1864
01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:11.520
<v Speaker 2>and what the world needs right now. When you find

1865
01:29:11.680 --> 01:29:13.319
<v Speaker 2>now at this point in your life, and it will

1866
01:29:13.399 --> 01:29:14.840
<v Speaker 2>change the rest of your life and it will make

1867
01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:18.359
<v Speaker 2>your life beneficial to the people around you. So this

1868
01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:21.720
<v Speaker 2>is your time. Go fucking do it and don't get

1869
01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:22.560
<v Speaker 2>anybody in your way.

1870
01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:22.880
<v Speaker 5>Check.

1871
01:29:22.880 --> 01:29:24.359
<v Speaker 3>Can I get an amen? Amen?

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<v Speaker 5>For that one?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel great. I feel great after that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to do after this crazy I'm motivated.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I guess.

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<v Speaker 8>Like the way I think about it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm a freshman and I'm already taking honors organic chemistry.

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<v Speaker 4>I should be out there.

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<v Speaker 8>I like, I'm already like getting all these hours, and

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<v Speaker 8>I should like, go I should be someone.

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<v Speaker 4>I should be someone big on this. I should be

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01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:58.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, hell, yes, you should just like I should.

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<v Speaker 8>I should be going for for you know, like you know,

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<v Speaker 8>it's just like you know, I guess think about it as.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I'm the I'm among the next generation of scientists.

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<v Speaker 4>I could you know, yeah you.

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<v Speaker 2>Are like yeah, yeah, you know there are a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of mixing.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a bunch of people who I've not been

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<v Speaker 1>born yet that are going to rely on you to

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<v Speaker 1>take them into the future. And you owe it to

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<v Speaker 1>yourself to get going now.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, truth absolutely damn.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 8>There was one thing I wanted to like mention, so

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<v Speaker 8>there was Uh it's actually reminds me there was one

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<v Speaker 8>time I like, there's an aunt I have who lives

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<v Speaker 8>in Louisiana and uh, like her husband works in uh

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<v Speaker 8>her husband works in like gas and like petroleum and

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<v Speaker 8>oil companies in because of that, she's like scared by

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<v Speaker 8>the idea of.

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<v Speaker 4>Climate change and she's decided that she doesn't believe in it.

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<v Speaker 8>So there was one point where I there's like a

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<v Speaker 8>whiteboard in the house, and I just took the time to.

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<v Speaker 4>Just like draw like a diagrea of Milankovitch.

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<v Speaker 8>Cycles, beer, Lambertslaw, Photon's mccroscopy, like Albido and all this

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<v Speaker 8>other stuff. And it was like, all right, so CO

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<v Speaker 8>two has a high absorbent infrared.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So I'm always saying this absorbing all.

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<v Speaker 8>That long wave radiation is going to heat up the earth.

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<v Speaker 8>That's necessarily something that would happen if there's more CO

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<v Speaker 8>two absorbents concentration.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, yeah, so home lader, home, lad, hold on,

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta interrupt you. I gotta interrupt you. You're telling

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<v Speaker 3>me you can explain to me all of this, or

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<v Speaker 3>you're explain this to your amp. But you can't start

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<v Speaker 3>a secular group on your campus. Get out of here,

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<v Speaker 3>Get out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>You can do it down. If you can break down

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<v Speaker 2>Therma Haleaane cycles and Melankovitch cycles to an old person,

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<v Speaker 2>you can do.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever you want to.

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<v Speaker 4>Dude. Oh, this is so great, This is so great.

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<v Speaker 1>So Homelander, I see I see in your comments that

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<v Speaker 1>you gave to our call screeners that you're a big

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<v Speaker 1>fan of Forest. I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't disagree with you there, But next time you call,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see I'm a big fan of Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>I want a big fan of Jimmy. We have been

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<v Speaker 1>listen your success, your success has been born right here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been it's happening right now. And you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>off this call and you're gonna go be who you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be.

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<v Speaker 8>Man, absolutely, Oh Forrest. You want to know which video

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<v Speaker 8>on your channel is my favorite?

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the one.

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<v Speaker 8>It's the one that's titled A Flood of Nonsense.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that one. So it's like it's all of

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<v Speaker 4>these make.

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<v Speaker 8>Exponentially more sense than a global flood. And then you

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<v Speaker 8>just like put your hands in there and you're like,

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<v Speaker 8>it is just I just I love it.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I also enjoyed that video.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a fan doctor Victor Vendecca and all the d

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<v Speaker 4>n D. I love like all the I'm just that

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<v Speaker 4>I am.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's another example with with with with you

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<v Speaker 2>know what what you're watching right now, this this stream

1953
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<v Speaker 2>where we're doing this fundraiser is from Role for Initiative

1954
01:32:59.359 --> 01:33:01.479
<v Speaker 2>where we're raising money for dogs of that boards and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that happened because I've never freaking played a

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<v Speaker 2>game like that before, man, not a serious one. I

1957
01:33:08.119 --> 01:33:09.399
<v Speaker 2>did a little stuff when I was a kid. I

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01:33:09.439 --> 01:33:11.359
<v Speaker 2>never really played a serious game. But I knew what

1959
01:33:11.479 --> 01:33:15.279
<v Speaker 2>Jesse was capable of accomplishing. And we were like, fuck it,

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<v Speaker 2>let's sink. I put damn near ten grand into that project,

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<v Speaker 2>and it worked, and we raised way more money than

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<v Speaker 2>I put into it. We raised way more money than

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<v Speaker 2>any of our sponsor put into it. All of the

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<v Speaker 2>funding that went into that combined, we have raised over

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<v Speaker 2>double that now. And so like, do it, Just fucking

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<v Speaker 2>do it, dude, and like like, don't be stupid, but

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<v Speaker 2>fucking be stupid a little bit, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Get out of your own head, get out of your

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<v Speaker 1>own way.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, especially people like us who are like who

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<v Speaker 2>are in sciences, who like to think a lot, we

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01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:48.560
<v Speaker 2>tend to overthink sometimes and sometimes you need to just

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<v Speaker 2>fucking go for it and just let And when I

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<v Speaker 2>say sometimes, I mean most of the time. Put yourself

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01:33:54.279 --> 01:33:57.239
<v Speaker 2>in weird situations when you feel when you get out

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<v Speaker 2>for enough far enough that you just barely can't feel

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01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:02.479
<v Speaker 2>your feet touching the ground anymore, and you're a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where you do the best work. So swim out

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit farther, put yourself in a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of peril, and make the world a better place because

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Boom Homeland, thank you so much for your call today.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna let you go. I definitely want you to

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<v Speaker 1>call back and keep us updated on how how things go.

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<v Speaker 1>And good luck in school. Good luck in school. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a tough time of year for a lot of freshmen,

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<v Speaker 1>so I hope, I hope you're doing well and you

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<v Speaker 1>continue to to flourish.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you don't need luck. Study hard. Yea be fine, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure. Gentlemen, thank you for playing nice with me today.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been a wonderful, wonderful show. Thanks for letting

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<v Speaker 1>me tag along. That's what I should say. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are great. You guys are always great. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so happy that I get to work with you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>and other people.

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<v Speaker 2>Are always great working with you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So folks, you know, don't forget this week. Our prompt

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<v Speaker 1>is what fictional character would you choose to defend yourself

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<v Speaker 1>or defend you during an apocalypse? And why? Very important?

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<v Speaker 1>Why reply that reply? Your answer in the comments and

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<v Speaker 1>tune in at the beginning of next week episode to

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<v Speaker 1>hear the top three guys.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>After show. Dan, You're on the after show, So anybody

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01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:17.479
<v Speaker 1>who wants to talk to Dan, you can go uh

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01:35:17.520 --> 01:35:20.079
<v Speaker 1>and chat with him, chat with Richard Gilliver. He'll be there,

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01:35:20.119 --> 01:35:21.680
<v Speaker 1>some of our other hosts will be there. I will

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<v Speaker 1>not be there. I have children that require me. Forest

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<v Speaker 1>will not be there because he is a super big

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<v Speaker 1>time celebrity.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan's right in the middle, Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>Because show this is the show that's true, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>where that's I'm not lying.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Forrest has another show and Forest is hosting

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<v Speaker 1>AXP today with the wonderful doctor Ben and I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to listen along while I'm doing dishes and uh,

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01:35:48.479 --> 01:35:50.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, taking care of my kids while I have

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<v Speaker 1>one of my ear piece in and nobody knows what

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01:35:52.640 --> 01:35:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm really doing. But I'll be listening to that. So

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<v Speaker 1>everybody tune into that. And guys really enjoyed today. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much. I hope you have wonderful rest of

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<v Speaker 1>your day. Thank you to everybody who supports us, who's

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<v Speaker 1>supporting Doctors Without Borders. Thank you for your donations for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Any updates.

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<v Speaker 2>Me and my human just donated fifty bucks. David hacks

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<v Speaker 2>or donated another twenty bucks. As far as I can tell.

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<v Speaker 2>As of right now, my count is we are up

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<v Speaker 2>to thirty thousand, five hundred and sixty nine dollars. Funny

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<v Speaker 2>number on the end. Great stars for this show. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you all so much for donating whatever you could. I

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate it, and I know the people around the

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<v Speaker 2>world who are receiving the life saving medical care that

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<v Speaker 2>Doctors Without Borders so freely gives appreciate it way more

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<v Speaker 2>than me. So thank you so much for being a

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<v Speaker 2>part of the not just the atheist community, but the

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<v Speaker 2>human community around the world and donating to such an

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<v Speaker 2>unimpeachably awesome organization.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent. Hell yeah, Hell yeah, Dan, Dan, would you like

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<v Speaker 1>to say anything as we close out this show?

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, you can do anything you say your mind too,

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<v Speaker 3>as long as you have a parasocial relationship with YouTubers,

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<v Speaker 3>they tell you what you can do. I guess no,

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<v Speaker 3>that's it, that's our motivation.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, we're sending out love rings. Let's bring up these loverings.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope they oh with that mail without fail. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sending love rings some doctors without borders. I'm sending love

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<v Speaker 1>rings to everybody who's helping this initiative today. And remember everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't believe, if you're not a believer, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't believe in God, this is your community and

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01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:21.840
<v Speaker 1>we appreciate you being here. But if you are a believer,

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<v Speaker 1>we do not hate you. We are just not convinced.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, everybody, have a great sign day.

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<v Speaker 2>We want the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>So watch Truth Wanted live Friday at seven pm Central.

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<v Speaker 1>Visit tiny dot cc, slash y t tw and call

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<v Speaker 1>into the show at five one two nine nine one

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<v Speaker 1>nine two four two, or connect to the show online

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<v Speaker 1>at tiny dot cc slash call tw