Speaker 1: Welcome to Passion of the Soul with me Elena Lieberman,
Speaker 1: the New Power Hour for your Consciousness. This is the
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Speaker 1: of who you really are. Here we open the mind
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Speaker 1: the force that fuels your entire being and invites miracles
Speaker 1: into your life. Each episode inspires you to respond to
Speaker 1: the layers of potential within you and bring your unique
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Speaker 1: starts now. Hello everyone, I'm your host, ellenor Lieberman, and
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Speaker 1: Every first and third Thursday of the month, five pm
Speaker 1: Pacific eight pm Eastern, we will bring you some of
Speaker 1: the most brilliant visionaries, artists, healers, and authors who have
Speaker 1: walked miraculous journeys inspiring you. Tonight is episode ten risk
Speaker 1: to become? How do clarity, risk, and authenticity shape the
Speaker 1: person we are designed to be? Author Patti elvi shares
Speaker 1: how she recognizes inner clarity, understands risk as an invitation
Speaker 1: rather than a threat, and makes choices that reflect what
Speaker 1: is most true. Patty reveals the pathway of embracing risk
Speaker 1: trusting yourself to make courageous and honest choices. Our guest tonight,
Speaker 1: Patti Elviy is the author of Practicing the Art of Becoming.
Speaker 1: She is a trusted advisor and strategist to executives, and
Speaker 1: she has stood beside leaders as they've built the impossible
Speaker 1: across industries, across decades, and across thresholds of deep personal becoming.
Speaker 1: Her gift seeing the essence of what wants to emerge
Speaker 1: quickly that mapping the most aligned, actionable, and soul satisfying
Speaker 1: path forward. Welcome Patty, Thank you Ellen.
Speaker 2: That's the beautiful introduction. I really appreciate it, and it's
Speaker 2: wonderful to be here.
Speaker 1: Well, it's absolutely wonderful to have you here tonight. And
Speaker 1: before we even move into questions, would you please share
Speaker 1: the moments in your actual miraculous life and some of
Speaker 1: the turning points that really influenced you in your personal story.
Speaker 2: That's the whole hour I could do that, and that
Speaker 2: continues all the time that there's a couple. One in
Speaker 2: particular i'd have to say is there was a turning
Speaker 2: point where I recognized in a training room that it
Speaker 2: was okay to give myself permission to be responsible for
Speaker 2: my own joy, my own life, my own decisions, where
Speaker 2: prior to that time I had struggled with outer judgment
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot of support. I was still taking risks,
Speaker 2: but there was discomfort within me because it wasn't the
Speaker 2: popular choice. So whenever I was in this room and
Speaker 2: there was some directive, it became just so clear to me.
Speaker 2: It's like a light bulb went off. And to me
Speaker 2: it was surprising because I wasn't that young. It's like
Speaker 2: I've had a lot of life experiences. I was kind
Speaker 2: of a smart girl. The cow did I not know that?
Speaker 2: How did I let the world decide everything? How? Somehow
Speaker 2: I thought it was an outer thing. Although my inner experience,
Speaker 2: which is the other part of the miracle, began like
Speaker 2: when I was four days old, I think it really
Speaker 2: began before I even entered here an end, but I
Speaker 2: had a very close relationship with spirit, with Jesus, and
Speaker 2: that was always always primary in my life. But I
Speaker 2: still had somehow let other people be more important. So
Speaker 2: when I realized it's it's up to me, my life
Speaker 2: changed completely. And it was very quickly. I realized they
Speaker 2: talked about comfort zundes, and it's like I already didn't
Speaker 2: have one. And I never noticed that about me until
Speaker 2: I started looking at me through less filtered eyes. They didn't.
Speaker 2: My eyes didn't get clear till much later, but a
Speaker 2: lot of the filters were removed and I began a
Speaker 2: much more beautiful life. That was my choice.
Speaker 1: Oh that's just wonderful. Now I have to tell you
Speaker 1: that one thing that just jumped out of out of
Speaker 1: me in your book was what you call flying high
Speaker 1: sometimes you called steroid of heaven on the wings of
Speaker 1: an eagle. It was very significant. So let me ask you,
Speaker 1: what is this vantage point and how is it transformative?
Speaker 2: I think I started with that. I think it's my
Speaker 2: book started with that. Where you know, it's like as
Speaker 2: I just knew I was meant to fly somehow I
Speaker 2: knew I was meant to not be held down. There
Speaker 2: was a lightness that I wanted that I believed in,
Speaker 2: and I think it started very early. I think that
Speaker 2: I came in this lifetime with not wanting to be
Speaker 2: weighed down. I had that reference point in my consciousness
Speaker 2: and eventually in my actions that reminded me of where
Speaker 2: it came from, which was absolute light. You know we
Speaker 2: all do. And that lightness to me was not a burden.
Speaker 2: The heaviness of a body, the being cold here wasn't
Speaker 2: something we are taught that we can be in both
Speaker 2: places at the same time. So experienced it as like
Speaker 2: I need to soar, I cannot not want to grow roots.
Speaker 2: I just wasn't. It wasn't my path and it was
Speaker 2: again unique, It was a risk, It was a constant
Speaker 2: battle with others. But I experienced this lifting that kept
Speaker 2: me happy, kept me conscious, It kept me joyful and focused.
Speaker 2: And you know, I write about various times where you know,
Speaker 2: when you're flying, it's kind of like the birds. You know,
Speaker 2: you run into a window now and then and it
Speaker 2: knocks a little bit of reality of like, oh, no,
Speaker 2: I'm here, I'm not there. But the other thing I
Speaker 2: think is really funny about that is when we were young,
Speaker 2: remember the stork, It was like ball from the sky.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh wow, I remember that, I remember falling
Speaker 2: from the sky. I want to go back. So there's
Speaker 2: this essence of of soaring that was just in my DNA.
Speaker 1: Oh well, how does this higher vision a line in
Speaker 1: a person that reveals it's their higher self or inner
Speaker 1: process when they fly high? How does it reveal to
Speaker 1: them who they truly are from the height?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the most important part of it,
Speaker 2: and that's what I call altitude. Because when we're here
Speaker 2: and this is an everyday thing. W I'm sure when
Speaker 2: this is over, I'll get some more out. I'll take
Speaker 2: a look from above how did it go? But it's
Speaker 2: the aspect of seeing a broader perspective because when we
Speaker 2: were higher and we'd look down, you might I find
Speaker 2: that there's spaces between some of the situation scenarios, activities, whatever,
Speaker 2: personal behaviors and relationships. Suddenly there's a little space. So
Speaker 2: it makes more sense to view them from above, view
Speaker 2: them with altitude. And also I think there's when I'm flying,
Speaker 2: I have to pay attention to flying. I'm from the serving,
Speaker 2: but I'm not getting into all the things that I
Speaker 2: would normally if I was sitting in a chair. There's
Speaker 2: this focus on what you see below because you're paying
Speaker 2: attention to the flight and building. That's wonderful and it
Speaker 2: gives a lot of information. We can become more neutral
Speaker 2: from above, can well.
Speaker 1: That's wonderful. Yes, yes, And you know you don't come
Speaker 1: out and say hi yourself or anything like that. You
Speaker 1: completely own it as your total self. That's not's so
Speaker 1: interesting about it?
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: You also talk about clarity as something that can change
Speaker 1: the direction of a person's life. What does true clarity
Speaker 1: actually feel like when someone discovers it.
Speaker 2: I don't I know how it is for me, and
Speaker 2: I believe we all have our own version of that.
Speaker 2: But the most important thing is to know there is
Speaker 2: a version of that and discover a pathway to it,
Speaker 2: get support, get conversations with other people that have that.
Speaker 2: Talk about those things. But it's an inner clarity, it's
Speaker 2: not an outer clarity. It's not something written on a
Speaker 2: black ord or even written in a book. Each person's
Speaker 2: clarity relates to their relationship with themselves, their willingness to
Speaker 2: learn about themselves, to understand what they want with that
Speaker 2: aren't broad It's like, oh, I want to be rich,
Speaker 2: like what does that mean? You know what's going to
Speaker 2: bring you? So maybe what it is you don't want
Speaker 2: to be rich, but you want to have an experience
Speaker 2: that somehow you relate to rich. But maybe it's just
Speaker 2: simply joy, you know. So there's ways of finding that
Speaker 2: clarity that become a stepping stone in your own life,
Speaker 2: and it's it's part of the art. Part of the art.
Speaker 1: Now, I want to ask you, is the choice to
Speaker 1: taste take risks in life interwoven with this soaring up,
Speaker 1: this higher vision? When you choose to risk, how does
Speaker 1: it tie in with that higher vision?
Speaker 2: Well, taking the first step off the building to fly,
Speaker 2: you know that window, that's trying risk, Trusting that I
Speaker 2: have wings, that's it. That's a lot of trust, I think.
Speaker 2: Really the essence of that is I trusted that I
Speaker 2: had wings. I trusted that I could fly. I believed
Speaker 2: that I was destined to fly because what I was
Speaker 2: living around me didn't seem to make a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: But yet I didn't mind it. But I just felt
Speaker 2: this inner desire to lighten up, and the lighting up
Speaker 2: was literally taking flight to me. And it was in
Speaker 2: my imagination, certainly in my creative imagination, but it filtered
Speaker 2: into how I felt about every day in my life,
Speaker 2: and I began to envision or there's a feeling that
Speaker 2: comes with can you imagine being an eagle? There was
Speaker 2: an egret in my garden today. I had never seen
Speaker 2: one here, spectacular and the wings were so giant and
Speaker 2: it's soreed and I fell in love.
Speaker 1: Well, this is really wonderful, Patty, And you know it's
Speaker 1: time to go on a little break. But before we do,
Speaker 1: I want everyone to get your information and please share
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Speaker 2: So, first of all, thank you all for joining and
Speaker 2: hope you stick with us for more tips of becoming
Speaker 2: after the break. There's two things. One is my book.
Speaker 2: So all things about my book, Practicing the Art of
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Speaker 1: We're back on Passion of the Soul. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Ellen A. Lieberman. My guest tonight is Patty Elvi, author
Speaker 1: of Practicing the Art of Becoming and Patty, I just
Speaker 1: want to ask you this question. You have worked with
Speaker 1: some very famous people and did you consider them a
Speaker 1: risk to work with them or were they kind of
Speaker 1: risky business? How did you how did you can name
Speaker 1: some of them and how did how did that go?
Speaker 1: What was the risk or did you feel you were
Speaker 1: taking a risk?
Speaker 2: I had this I don't know code of my life,
Speaker 2: which is what do you do? I do whatever it takes.
Speaker 2: And each of these opportunities were presented to me. I
Speaker 2: wasn't looking for jobs. I almost never looked for a
Speaker 2: job in my whole life. Think someone would come to me,
Speaker 2: hear of me, offer me something. And these, you know,
Speaker 2: we're some exciting people. They're on my LinkedIn. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to mention them here, but they're like, okay, I
Speaker 2: want to honor them. I always I can mention George,
Speaker 2: you know, George Carlin. That was a very special situation.
Speaker 2: And again they came to me through unusual, spirit directed situations,
Speaker 2: and because of that, I don't consider it a risk.
Speaker 2: I think partly because of my trust and faith and
Speaker 2: when something comes to me, it's coming to me on purpose.
Speaker 2: I have this un yielding trust that my life is
Speaker 2: designed by spirit, and so I don't want to question it.
Speaker 2: It's like, if something comes to me, I just go
Speaker 2: with it's really really interesting. But I've never regretted it.
Speaker 2: I've never looked back. Some things were harder than Otherre's
Speaker 2: some things I did I could have done better, you
Speaker 2: know for sure. But I have a lot of joy
Speaker 2: when I realized saying yes. It's always brought me amazing lessons,
Speaker 2: amazing amazing chances to become more authentic, to take risks.
Speaker 2: But I hardly ever think of them as risks.
Speaker 1: Oddly wonderful. Well, you know, you direct people towards a
Speaker 1: deeper relationship with risk. So how do you actually define
Speaker 1: risk in a way that goes beyond danger or fear
Speaker 1: like that invitation idea? How do you actually define risk
Speaker 1: for these people so they're not viewing it fearfully?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I don't define it. They do.
Speaker 2: So that's a conversation where it could be that a
Speaker 2: risk for them is as simple as learning to drive,
Speaker 2: or as simple as making their first meal for their
Speaker 2: in laws. I mean, there's all kinds of risk, and
Speaker 2: then there's risk to start a company, to go for it,
Speaker 2: to you know, trust the process to do a startup.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know Ariana Huffington, for instance, You know
Speaker 2: she had a global vision. When I started with her,
Speaker 2: she had a blog, a single blog and built a
Speaker 2: multi million dollar company in a very short time. Powerful stuff.
Speaker 2: So for me, because I've seen it done, I know
Speaker 2: it can be done. But when I work with a
Speaker 2: lot of the ordinary people in the world that haven't
Speaker 2: done that and don't have that giant vision. Everybody has
Speaker 2: something that they'd like and something's keeping them from it.
Speaker 2: And maybe it's starting with defining what's the first most
Speaker 2: important thing, what about this step. It's breaking it down
Speaker 2: to where you don't have to learn how to jump
Speaker 2: off the high dive just because you want to learn
Speaker 2: to swim. That kind of, for instance, gets you to
Speaker 2: put your toe in the water first, you know, buy
Speaker 2: a pretty bathing suit. Then you'll want to go to
Speaker 2: the pool. You know, there's all kinds of it.
Speaker 1: Just now, how does someone know whether a risk is
Speaker 1: reckless or whether it's actually an invitation to be more authentic?
Speaker 1: You know, we think, oh, he's reckless, so he's taking
Speaker 1: risks gambling you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, that's not what I think. Part of
Speaker 2: the reckless is not what other people think it is.
Speaker 2: It's what they think it is. That's very big portion
Speaker 2: of it. Because most people think my life would probably
Speaker 2: pretty risky from a long time ago, and so that's
Speaker 2: the first thing. What is it to that person? And
Speaker 2: then also is are you willing to do this risky
Speaker 2: thing and have no regrets if it doesn't go your way?
Speaker 2: Or are you willing to do it and do whatever
Speaker 2: it takes to keep achieving and moving in the direction
Speaker 2: of that goal. That risk and risks aren't meant to
Speaker 2: be self sabotaging, Like you know, I'm going to you know,
Speaker 2: swim across the English Channel, but you know, I've never
Speaker 2: been in a pool. So there's all kinds of ways
Speaker 2: to monitor and to allow the risk to be not
Speaker 2: only manifested, but also renegotiating is part of it too.
Speaker 2: It's like I thought that's what I wanted. I thought
Speaker 2: I had what it takes. Okay, So right if you say,
Speaker 2: now let's do this other thing?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So how do people actually recognize where they
Speaker 1: have a fear of risk and it's limiting them. What
Speaker 1: are some examples of that kind of thing. They may
Speaker 1: not even know that they're afraid to take risks and
Speaker 1: they're limited.
Speaker 2: I think the first thing is to ask people what
Speaker 2: do you want? That's where it has to start. So
Speaker 2: that's my first question when I work with people, it's like,
Speaker 2: so what do you want? And that becomes a conversation
Speaker 2: that we find out what it is with clarity, because
Speaker 2: a lot of people get big picture versus little picture,
Speaker 2: versus truth versus details clarity. But then also it's a
Speaker 2: matter of defining little steps that can you get there?
Speaker 2: Is it possible? What are your loitations? Why haven't you
Speaker 2: done it yet? How long do you want to take
Speaker 2: to get it? And to me, none of it, honestly doesn't.
Speaker 2: I don't feel any of it as risks. So I
Speaker 2: can communicate in a way that people start to realize,
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, it's doable by looking at it through
Speaker 2: a different filter, not the filter of fear I'll probably fail.
Speaker 2: And what do people think? It's not what anybody else does,
Speaker 2: but instead looking through what is it possible for me?
Speaker 1: According to them, when they choose risks, how do they
Speaker 1: realize that it relates to freedom? You talk about freedom
Speaker 1: in your book, choosing risk could relate to completely freeing them.
Speaker 1: That's an amazing concept that I found in your book.
Speaker 1: This idea of taking the risks so you will be
Speaker 1: free is very interesting.
Speaker 2: And well, I think that freedom by not taking risks
Speaker 2: or not having what you want or not going for
Speaker 2: what you want. There are those limitations can be ball
Speaker 2: and chain. They can. I think at one point I said,
Speaker 2: I felt like I had been tied to a chain
Speaker 2: my whole life until that moment I described in the beginning,
Speaker 2: when oh my god, it's up to me. That's chain
Speaker 2: isn't mine, it's theirs, and I walked away and started
Speaker 2: my own, my own path. So it's a matter of
Speaker 2: what's what's going to set them into something different than
Speaker 2: where they are. So I think it is if you
Speaker 2: really wanted that and that was freedom for you, why
Speaker 2: aren't you in it yet? Let's find a way to
Speaker 2: get you closer and maybe design a path to get
Speaker 2: you all the way.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And here's an interesting thing. Can taking a
Speaker 1: risk bring deeper peace and in a direction to your life?
Speaker 1: And how how does the risk actually to peace?
Speaker 2: I'd say by dissecting it, you know, by checking it out.
Speaker 2: Did that work for me? Oh my goodness, that didn't
Speaker 2: feel good. I don't want to do it again. So
Speaker 2: it's a learning like using everything for our learning advancement, upliftment,
Speaker 2: our direction which leads to freedom. If freedom is something
Speaker 2: we want or somebody wants how can they have that?
Speaker 2: And sometimes it's not what they think it will be.
Speaker 2: It gets them to the freedom. It could be a
Speaker 2: very simple mind pattern, you know, a way of thinking
Speaker 2: about themselves, giving up judgments of others. A lot of
Speaker 2: subtle things of way of being, like discovering your authentic being.
Speaker 2: You know, embracing risk and discovering your authentic being are
Speaker 2: very tied together. The risk would be like, go with
Speaker 2: things and patterns that I've had, things I've judged about others,
Speaker 2: judged about myself, forgiving just whatever might be in the
Speaker 2: way of getting to this, or it's our authentic nature,
Speaker 2: the way we were designed uniquely to be. We were
Speaker 2: never all designed to be the same, but we all
Speaker 2: started the same.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, And sometimes people actually see a very large well,
Speaker 1: they don't see the higher and larger picture. It's very risky,
Speaker 1: and they see parts of it and think that's the
Speaker 1: whole pursuit instead of really giving over and saying no,
Speaker 1: that's just one phase of a very large picture. But
Speaker 1: they don't, as you're saying, they don't always have to
Speaker 1: take the full risk, so to speak. They can see
Speaker 1: if they know it's leading them to something greater. Usually
Speaker 1: people see it through a smaller facet instead of looking
Speaker 1: at the potential of the hugeness, the magnificence of it.
Speaker 1: Because they're not They see that as too risky, it
Speaker 1: can't be or they couldn't possibly do it.
Speaker 2: They judge failure. It's like, it doesn't matter if you
Speaker 2: fail it, you can take it.
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Speaker 2: I had no idea to be able to work with
Speaker 2: Josh or Arianna or George. No idea, but I showed
Speaker 2: up and it's like, Okay, if it doesn't work out,
Speaker 2: I find something else will come up. But that's the
Speaker 2: freedom of saying, like, you know, we don't have to
Speaker 2: complete something we started if it's not the right thing
Speaker 2: for us. That's freeing. That to me, that's incredible freedom.
Speaker 2: And yet it's not common. It is not common.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, we're going to take a break. I'm Ellena Lieberman,
Speaker 1: and you're listening to Passion of the Soul. Stay tuned
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Speaker 1: We're back on Passion of the Soul with Patti Lvi
Speaker 1: as our guest and Patty please share your special offer
Speaker 1: and your contact information with our listeners.
Speaker 2: Sure yes, excuse me. So, first of all, thank you
Speaker 2: all for joining and sticking with us for more tips.
Speaker 2: All things about my book, Practicing the Art of Becoming
Speaker 2: are available by simply searching Patty lviauthor and that immediately
Speaker 2: takes you to my book page at Simon and Schuster,
Speaker 2: where they'll list all the places to buy my book
Speaker 2: with just one click. I also narrated my audiobook and
Speaker 2: it's available on Audible and Spotify. And I have an
Speaker 2: offering for just TTN a complimentary thirty minute zoom session
Speaker 2: with me design your affirmation, up level your clarity, up
Speaker 2: level your life. I'm very excited about that, by the way,
Speaker 2: So to partake, please send me an email with the
Speaker 2: subject line TTN Gift. The email address is Patty Patty
Speaker 2: at Risk to Become dot com. I'll reply with a
Speaker 2: link to my calendar and my intention is to complete
Speaker 2: the minimum of fifty sessions with guests, and I'm very
Speaker 2: decided to meet him.
Speaker 1: Well, that's just great. What an offer, Patty. Now I
Speaker 1: want to tell you about something in the book that
Speaker 1: really was distinctive. There are two extraordinary unique what I
Speaker 1: call explorations in your book. One is about lying, how
Speaker 1: lying is viewed, and the other is about how anger
Speaker 1: is handled, which is very unique as to the way
Speaker 1: you examine it in your book. So what were your
Speaker 1: most valuable insights, Patty, about lying and why it's done
Speaker 1: and where it leads to. And if you would share
Speaker 1: a very dramatic, poignant experience you had in childhood with
Speaker 1: your with your father when you were driving with him.
Speaker 2: Sure, so you know these are my experiences, you know,
Speaker 2: So this is how I process things. But I was
Speaker 2: a little girl, of course, you know, went to church
Speaker 2: and believed in the commandments and always wanted to be good.
Speaker 2: And I was in my I was going to my doctor,
Speaker 2: bringing the miles away with my father for the day,
Speaker 2: driving both ways, and I was eight years old, and
Speaker 2: he didn't usually take me. But I noticed when he
Speaker 2: got on the road it was a different way, and
Speaker 2: he made a stop he called it was a workstop.
Speaker 2: And in the bottom line is he was visiting a woman,
Speaker 2: not my mom, no relation. It wasn't a cousin or something.
Speaker 2: He was visiting a woman in a store, and you know,
Speaker 2: told me to sit in this car and not move,
Speaker 2: and he was just going to drop off a few
Speaker 2: loads of bread. He was a bread man, so you know,
Speaker 2: he was in there for forty five minutes. I was
Speaker 2: concerned for a lot of reasons. Once what my be
Speaker 2: going on is everything okay? And will I be too
Speaker 2: late for the doctor and little things like that. But
Speaker 2: I mean, I was eight, but I was also pretty mature,
Speaker 2: So I did sit in the car and didn't move
Speaker 2: a muscle. At one point I looked up and I
Speaker 2: saw him in the window of a second floor window
Speaker 2: with no curtains, and there was a woman with him,
Speaker 2: and I was I think I was a little more
Speaker 2: still even then. But the moral of the story is
Speaker 2: when he did come out and so on, we didn't
Speaker 2: speak about it. But what I recognized immediately was.
Speaker 7: I had to.
Speaker 2: Withhold that from my mother. When I got home, she
Speaker 2: was going to ask me about the trip, how was
Speaker 2: the day, And I knew right away it is I
Speaker 2: can't tell her this. This is not good, you know.
Speaker 2: And I really had a connection to my mother empathically
Speaker 2: and empathetically, and I just knew this would be really,
Speaker 2: really painful and not a good idea. So I think
Speaker 2: through that period I learned that there's all kinds of
Speaker 2: why would they lie? Like what was going going on?
Speaker 2: What was I going to do? How was I going
Speaker 2: to be after I lied? But I still be good?
Speaker 2: And you know, I ran through all of these different things.
Speaker 2: And what I dissected as I was writing the book was,
Speaker 2: you know, what was going on with them? I mean
Speaker 2: why I found this compassion in a way, but you know,
Speaker 2: they had they were lying. There were lies everywhere, like
Speaker 2: obviously this woman, you know, I know that she had
Speaker 2: a husband. They were lying. My father was lying. I
Speaker 2: was going to have to lie, and it just became very,
Speaker 2: very challenging for me. So I decided to look more
Speaker 2: compassionately over time, and I wrote a lot about that
Speaker 2: in the book of how people life were protecting themselves oftentimes.
Speaker 2: I think what's most important is lies come out without
Speaker 2: people even thinking first. Oftentimes I'm guilty, Like you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of people like why do I lie? I
Speaker 2: self protection, sometimes fear, sometimes for negative reasons, but to
Speaker 2: hurt others even But the fact that people do lie
Speaker 2: is something that can't be taken back. So what I've
Speaker 2: learned and what I've shared is if there is a lie,
Speaker 2: the next thing has to be, Now, what do you do.
Speaker 2: You can't take it back, you can't embrace it. How
Speaker 2: do you correct that if that becomes the next way
Speaker 2: to get to freedom, It's like, okay, there's a lie.
Speaker 2: My choice is I want to get to freedom. So
Speaker 2: I did learn, basically to find the compassion for my
Speaker 2: father for this woman. I realized something interesting much after
Speaker 2: I wrote the book, because I told that story, and
Speaker 2: one thing that I knew was this weird thing about
Speaker 2: my father being in the window that never made sense
Speaker 2: to me, and so much my surprise, I've recently recognized
Speaker 2: that I think he was actually looking out to see
Speaker 2: if I was okay, Was I still there, still in
Speaker 2: the car? And that just again was another little thing,
Speaker 2: is like how that was a kindness in spite of
Speaker 2: the mess, in spite of what was going on there.
Speaker 2: He didn't have a loving moment. But what it affected
Speaker 2: me a lot was I felt very disturbed that these
Speaker 2: people devalued me, They didn't respect me enough. I was irrelevant,
Speaker 2: and they just made a lie of it and let
Speaker 2: it go. But I think in the big picture, I
Speaker 2: talk a lot about deception withholding omission. They're always of
Speaker 2: lying and they can all be more truthful, more honest. Period.
Speaker 2: And there was somebody that did an interview with me
Speaker 2: and he said something so profound it made me think
Speaker 2: it was worth writing the book. He said two things.
Speaker 2: He said, nobody has to read past chapter two. He said,
Speaker 2: you should have put that name out of the book.
Speaker 2: But he told me that he'd been married fifty years
Speaker 2: and he and his wife were both there in the
Speaker 2: in every room, and he said, I realized that. He said,
Speaker 2: I read that chapter pretty many times, and I went
Speaker 2: to my wife and we re committed ours to be
Speaker 2: more honest with each other. Because he relays over the
Speaker 2: years how those little things to you know, sort of
Speaker 2: creeped in. But the bottom line was it was not honest.
Speaker 2: And he said that they are doing really, really happily
Speaker 2: with this new new adjustment. To me, that was just extraordinary.
Speaker 2: There seems to be a lot of juice to that chapter.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was very much powerful.
Speaker 2: Everybody I've talked to you, it was powerful for me
Speaker 2: to write. And it's get read it. I can't explain it.
Speaker 2: Listen to it. Get the book. There's a lot in
Speaker 2: there that leads to freedom. Again. My thing is freedom.
Speaker 2: There is something between honesty and freedom. That's a very
Speaker 2: beautiful relationship.
Speaker 1: So yes, absolutely. Now I want to just move into
Speaker 1: the second tremendous narration you have in your book, which
Speaker 1: is confronting. I'll call it the dragon, the dragon of anger.
Speaker 1: And what was that experience like and how did it
Speaker 1: make such a deep impression in your being? I mean,
Speaker 1: it was there a dragon in your room, and it
Speaker 1: was amazing, it was powerful.
Speaker 2: It was very realistic. I really, you know, it was real.
Speaker 2: I'll never doubt that. But one of the flaws of
Speaker 2: me at the time, because I think I was, you know,
Speaker 2: in my I might have been forty years old, thirty five,
Speaker 2: but one of the flaws was in my very young age, anger,
Speaker 2: just like lying, was really hard for me to make
Speaker 2: sense of. And it didn't look good, it didn't sound good.
Speaker 2: It usually sounded loud and rageful. People cried. There was
Speaker 2: a lot of pain around anger, and so in a
Speaker 2: lot of rage. I mean, it just was powerful, and
Speaker 2: I said, I turned, I said, I don't want any
Speaker 2: part of this ever. I never want to have that
Speaker 2: in my life. I never want to be like that. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: you know, forty years of that and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of there's a lot going on in my own denial.
Speaker 2: In a lot of ways, something was and I had
Speaker 2: a lot of reasons to be angry, trust me, but
Speaker 2: I refused because of what I saw. And so whenever
Speaker 2: I had this instance to bring it forward, and that's
Speaker 2: in the book story my Friend and Pandora's Box, I
Speaker 2: said she'd just unlocked Pandora's Box, the box that I
Speaker 2: kept tightly sealed and buried, and I was never going there.
Speaker 2: And that was my addiction to not ever being angry.
Speaker 2: So whenever I was really confronted, just casually and with
Speaker 2: a friend, but for me, it was a confrontation with
Speaker 2: a memory that I had that I seemed to make
Speaker 2: it okay that I wasn't angry and that nobody else
Speaker 2: was either. There was something I did that was really
Speaker 2: a disillusionment, and it just started this Pandora's Box not
Speaker 2: only bubbling up but exploding. And I think I called
Speaker 2: it a taking time bob. When I needed to resolve
Speaker 2: it because it wasn't going to go away, I locked
Speaker 2: myself in a room. I didn't go to work. It
Speaker 2: was three, four or five days, I don't remember how
Speaker 2: many days, but it was lines were closed I don't
Speaker 2: remember eating. I just wept and I had a moment
Speaker 2: where I wanted it to stop. And however, spirit works
Speaker 2: with me and the visuals and so on. But I
Speaker 2: knew that this was the turning point. Something had to
Speaker 2: happen or I was either going to die somehow, just
Speaker 2: because it was so explosive. But I didn't know what
Speaker 2: was going to happen. And it was almost like a
Speaker 2: countdown I could feel. And then here's this literally fire
Speaker 2: breathing dragon in front of me in my bed, and
Speaker 2: I it was anger. That's what that was representing. And
Speaker 2: the message was that it was a part of me.
Speaker 2: The part that I denied was this relationship I had
Speaker 2: with anger, this inability to process it, to be around it,
Speaker 2: to claim it, to share it. And the message I said,
Speaker 2: like what am I going to do? And I'm weeping
Speaker 2: and this thing is enormous and it's on fire and
Speaker 2: it's embrace it. It's like what you said, you have
Speaker 2: to embrace the dragon because anger is a part of you,
Speaker 2: and it's fair, it's okay. You know, it's not bad.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just part of being human. But you
Speaker 2: have to embrace it and claim it and bring it
Speaker 2: back into you because you leave it out there, it
Speaker 2: doesn't work. And I, you know, I don't know where
Speaker 2: the courage came from, but I did. I absolutely leapt
Speaker 2: forward and it went away. And when it went away,
Speaker 2: my whole consciousness, my breathing went quiet, the peace came
Speaker 2: in and I learned from there more about freedom.
Speaker 1: Well that's that's really amazing, and we're going to have
Speaker 1: to take a little break right now. So before we do,
Speaker 1: I want Patty to give your contact information one more
Speaker 1: time for our listeners and everything about how they can
Speaker 1: take advantage of this wonderful offer that.
Speaker 2: You thank you. Oh after all that, you'll me, okay, thank.
Speaker 1: You because you resolved after the break. You you talk
Speaker 1: about having faith to confront the faith to confront confront
Speaker 1: the dragon. So we'll talk about that after break.
Speaker 2: Beautiful. Thank you, and thank you all for joining and
Speaker 2: sticking with us for more tips to be coming after
Speaker 2: the break. All things about my book, Practicing the Art
Speaker 2: of Becoming are available by scenting searching Patty l the
Speaker 2: author that immediately takes you to my book page at
Speaker 2: Simon and Schuster, where they'll list all the places to
Speaker 2: buy my book with just one click. I also narrated
Speaker 2: my audio book and it's available on Audible and Spotify.
Speaker 2: I have an offering just for TTN, a complimentary thirty
Speaker 2: minute zoom session with me design your affirmation, up level
Speaker 2: your clarity, up level your life. To partake, please send
Speaker 2: me an email with the subject line TTN Gift and
Speaker 2: the email addresses Patty p at t Y at Risk
Speaker 2: to Become dot com. I will reply with a link
Speaker 2: to my calendar and my intention is to complete a
Speaker 2: minimum of fifty sessions with guests. I'm very excited to
Speaker 2: meet you.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Ellena Lieberman with Passion of the Soul
Speaker 1: with our guest Patti Elviy, author of Practicing the Art
Speaker 1: of Becoming. You know, there's an absolutely beautiful selection here
Speaker 1: that you've written. I just love the wording, and here's
Speaker 1: what it says. I often experienced that sacred sound as
Speaker 1: I practiced listening with my heart, and as I practiced
Speaker 1: this as part of my art, I was able to
Speaker 1: hear the sound of my becoming it was in perfect
Speaker 1: pitch and rhythm, and my breath, my heartbeat, and the
Speaker 1: movement of life through me. Well, what is this gorgeous
Speaker 1: message that you're you want to convey to your reader.
Speaker 1: It's so poetic.
Speaker 2: I think that was in my chapter about intuition or
Speaker 2: the sound of God. I think that's the one. By
Speaker 2: the way, I think the chapters of my book really
Speaker 2: lead into a lot of things. But for me, I've
Speaker 2: been practicing listening to listening inside my whole life. That
Speaker 2: was my safe place, my sacred place. And I don't
Speaker 2: think I gave myself an awareness of the power of
Speaker 2: that until I was much older. It was a practice,
Speaker 2: it was standard, It was a vigilance, it was a devotion.
Speaker 2: There was no exceptions. It was a priority. And then
Speaker 2: I realized the power of that because it developed this
Speaker 2: relationship with a sacred sound that wasn't outside of me.
Speaker 2: It was inside of me. And the way that is
Speaker 2: a life spring and a way was always there. I
Speaker 2: could rely on it. If it wasn't, if I wasn't
Speaker 2: living from that place, which is a lot of time,
Speaker 2: I could always go back to it and breathe again.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, okay, I'm okay, I'm okay. So the
Speaker 2: sacred sound, the harmonic, it came together in my maturing
Speaker 2: up I call it. You know, we were growing up
Speaker 2: every day, if we're breathing, we're always growing up. And
Speaker 2: in the mature growing up, I started to acknowledge this
Speaker 2: experience and the value of it for me, and so
Speaker 2: that's where I write from it. It's true for all
Speaker 2: of us, so we can all find our way there eventually.
Speaker 2: And it's practice, practice, practice, you know, I say, you know,
Speaker 2: practice is like getting to Carnegie Hall. Not only do
Speaker 2: you got to practice to get there, but you practice
Speaker 2: to stay there. Yes, yeah, you know, because you once
Speaker 2: you're there, you don't want to leave.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like I want to get kicked out of Carnegie Hall,
Speaker 2: but I remember being there one It's like, no, you
Speaker 2: want to get back. So it's a constant practicing becoming
Speaker 2: is it might be different for someone else. I mean,
Speaker 2: I do believe that someone else might find that sacred
Speaker 2: space walking in nature and that's going to provide it
Speaker 2: for them and there, but is finding it what it
Speaker 2: might it be? If it's not this, try something else.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, for me it's been a relationship with my
Speaker 2: inner knowing, my inner voice, my inner willingness, my inner willingness,
Speaker 2: to become more, to learn more, to recognize more, to
Speaker 2: be more honest.
Speaker 1: You know, yes, And I just want to quote from
Speaker 1: your book. The word here is in heart, as is
Speaker 1: the word art. So when we consider this, all of that,
Speaker 1: to here with our heart, to create art with our heart,
Speaker 1: it's so important. And now let's just apply some of this. Actually,
Speaker 1: you in the book have completely and are completely empowered.
Speaker 1: You believe by affirmations in your life. You consider them
Speaker 1: extremely important for freedom, piece and being in the present.
Speaker 1: So would you like to tell people about your affirmations,
Speaker 1: how you affirm things and how it impacts your life.
Speaker 2: Well, back in that time when I had this this
Speaker 2: training I went to and I learned a lot about
Speaker 2: I'm in charge of my own life. They also introduced affirmations.
Speaker 2: I really hadn't heard about it before that, but they
Speaker 2: are certainly I AM statements, and they are they can
Speaker 2: be what's present, and they often are better used to
Speaker 2: pull ourselves into becoming maybe something we're not quite there yet,
Speaker 2: Like if I am so, I have an affirmation I
Speaker 2: was using and after using it for a year or
Speaker 2: so I already recognized like I'm that already, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: and so I changed, I made it a new one.
Speaker 2: But I've actually experienced saying something about myself and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I'm standing in it, I'm living it.
Speaker 2: I've become that, and it's always something better. But one
Speaker 2: of the things about me is my I hands statement
Speaker 2: was so hard for me the first time around because
Speaker 2: most of my messages to myself were negative. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not worthy, I'm not wanted, I'm unlovable, not I
Speaker 2: was nothing positive. But when they told us about affirmations,
Speaker 2: they im g words, they'd be going, I am they
Speaker 2: maybe have some action item, and I was not. I
Speaker 2: was paralyzed. I was paralyzed. I couldn't think of anything
Speaker 2: except I am alive. But that's you know, if you
Speaker 2: start where you start, and I've come from I am
Speaker 2: alive to becoming just committed to multiple affirmations all the time.
Speaker 2: There's like ten in my phone all the time, and
Speaker 2: they helped me. They come up as a reminder and
Speaker 2: it's like, that's right, you know, let me. I was
Speaker 2: kind of feel a little down. I'm glad that came
Speaker 2: up because it reminds me of something greater, something more
Speaker 2: truthful that I'm designed for myself. It's awesome, and it
Speaker 2: sort of vibrates with that place in my heart. That sound,
Speaker 2: it sort of vibrates harmonically with that, and so it
Speaker 2: becomes you have to say it a lot, like at
Speaker 2: the beginning, one hundred times a day for thirty three days,
Speaker 2: because thirty three days is the time frame where educationally
Speaker 2: it's proven it behavior changes, so it becomes anchored in
Speaker 2: in a way. So after that you use it as
Speaker 2: often as you can. But they're powerful statements designed by
Speaker 2: ourselves to support us in our everyday lives.
Speaker 1: And I just want to bring out how frequently are
Speaker 1: you show gratitude even in this one hour that that
Speaker 1: in itself is like an affirmation. So it's absolutely beautiful
Speaker 1: to be grateful for every breath, for everything around you.
Speaker 1: So is there a closing message, Patty that you would
Speaker 1: like to leave our listeners with.
Speaker 2: I think there's several things. Is thank you to everybody,
Speaker 2: thank you for the program, thank you for you, And
Speaker 2: I signed my books. I kind of got excited once
Speaker 2: my books went off to the printer and I didn't
Speaker 2: know how to sign them. And say spirit sort of
Speaker 2: literally gave me this little message. It's be you with
Speaker 2: love always, and that's how I sign my books. And
Speaker 2: that's what I'd like to leave the viewers with today.
Speaker 2: And I want to want to say that I recommend
Speaker 2: in this book.
Speaker 11: I love it.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you.
Speaker 2: It's about dynamic minister. It's like I want more of
Speaker 2: that every day, and you share everything we need. But
Speaker 2: so I just love being with you all and blessings
Speaker 2: to each of us with loving.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. And I like to add in
Speaker 1: a few lines from my book, so praise and gratitude
Speaker 1: are two of the most exhilarating transformational forces that shift
Speaker 1: energy and consciousness. Dense levels of thought are completely dropped
Speaker 1: during the focus of this state of mind and affirmations. Incidentally,
Speaker 1: energy and fullness flood the heart with positive direction. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you Patty for sharing your courageous and brilliant life
Speaker 1: with us tonight. Would you quickly want to review We
Speaker 1: have a few minutes. Quickly review your information.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got to read it, so sorry, that's okay.
Speaker 2: All things about my book Practicing the Art of Becoming
Speaker 2: are available by simply searching Patty Lvie, author and that
Speaker 2: immediately takes you to my book page at Simon and Schuster,
Speaker 2: where where they will list all the places to buy
Speaker 2: my book with just one click. And I want to
Speaker 2: say this is global, it's not just domestically, so you
Speaker 2: can buy my book anywhere in the world. I also
Speaker 2: narrated my audio book and it's available on Audible and Spotify.
Speaker 2: I have an offering just for TTN a complimentary thirty
Speaker 2: minute zoom session with me design your affirmation, up level
Speaker 2: your clarity, and up level your life. Wow Bartek. Please
Speaker 2: send me an email with the subject line TTND gift
Speaker 2: to Patty Patty at risk toopecome dot com. I'll reply
Speaker 2: with a link to my calendar. My intention is to
Speaker 2: complete a minimum of fifty sessions with guests.
Speaker 1: That's great. I had a wonderful time Patty with you
Speaker 1: and I want to thank you so much for being
Speaker 1: on the show. And please join me the first and
Speaker 1: third Thursday of each month at five pm Pacific eight
Speaker 1: pm Eastern. Now next time on July tewod please join
Speaker 1: me on my show on dynamic manifestation, developing declarations which
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