Speaker 1: For fifteen years, the Big Show dominated the Utah sports
Speaker 1: talk airwaves. First it was Craig Bowler, Jack and Gordon Monson,
Speaker 1: followed by Spence Check its in Monson. Now all three
Speaker 1: are reunited on the Drive. It's time for the Big
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Speaker 2: All I can really say is when you live right
Speaker 2: on and off the microphone, magic happens. And we have
Speaker 2: Craig Bowler, Jack and Gordon Monson live in studio together
Speaker 2: for the first time, I don't know in a few months.
Speaker 2: We've had some scheduling issues, but good to see you guys.
Speaker 2: Thanks for I've been here, he's been here. I haven't
Speaker 2: been here, you know, vice versa. But reunited and it
Speaker 2: feels so good. You're right over there. Sorry, there you go. Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I've missed you. Yeah, I haven't seen you. Spence, We've talked,
Speaker 2: but you know, here we go. Man, one game down,
Speaker 2: eighty one to go for the Jazz Hockey has lit
Speaker 2: this city in the region on fire. A little four
Speaker 2: to zero, you know, got blanked by Ottawa. That'll happen.
Speaker 2: They're young, but it's good to see you guys brought
Speaker 2: to you by Big o' tires as always. So it's
Speaker 2: great to have you in studio, and we will start
Speaker 2: with some jazz and then we'll go over to college football.
Speaker 2: So Bowler I said, when you walked in, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think, if it's not the biggest topic for me currently,
Speaker 2: it's certainly one of them is. So the jazz tell
Speaker 2: us this is about development, right, that's what they say. Okay,
Speaker 2: so this is about young players. It's about development. If
Speaker 2: their developmental system is working correctly, year three, Walker should
Speaker 2: look better. If it's not, you know, well, Walker is
Speaker 2: going to be like a case study for development under
Speaker 2: this new regime because he's the third year guy. He
Speaker 2: was really good last night. He was let's start with Walker.
Speaker 2: What'd you see? You know? I saw confidence. I saw
Speaker 2: a stronger, more tenacious rebounder. I saw a shot blocker
Speaker 2: who believes, you know, he's really good at the rim
Speaker 2: obviously left hand with the shot blocks. I just saw
Speaker 2: a stronger Walker Kessler. I did a good talk with
Speaker 2: him in Portland, and just in the verbiage that he
Speaker 2: and I discussed, I mean, he was much more mature
Speaker 2: and look, I tried to go back and think to myself,
Speaker 2: what was I like? Who was I at twenty and
Speaker 2: twenty one and twenty two? Probably not that cool a dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just was trying to get through college
Speaker 2: and you were, you know, but at this level to
Speaker 2: be with this much responsibility and trying to rebound from
Speaker 2: last year. He started twenty two game spence in Gordo,
Speaker 2: and he talked to me a lot about the arm injury,
Speaker 2: how much that hampered him more than maybe some people realized,
Speaker 2: because he does use his left hand dominant with with
Speaker 2: shot blocking. But I liked his approach. I just liked
Speaker 2: his court presence last night. I liked the fact he
Speaker 2: didn't glance at the bench. I thought he ran the
Speaker 2: lore and was able to be a participant on defense
Speaker 2: or offensive rebounds. And you know, all the above equates
Speaker 2: into what a third year pro ought to be. It's
Speaker 2: one game sample, guys, but you know what, it's something
Speaker 2: to look on and they're they're collecting data points and
Speaker 2: all these players this year to see, you know, who
Speaker 2: they are, what they will become, at least what the
Speaker 2: data tells them. In the league that is obsessed with
Speaker 2: numbers and data. Sloan used to say, hell, just go
Speaker 2: out there and play. You know, I can tell who's
Speaker 2: good and who's not. But data is everything in this league,
Speaker 2: on the minuture, on the floor and what you do.
Speaker 2: And and I just liked what I saw last night
Speaker 2: compared to what we ended the season on last season. Sure,
Speaker 2: there's a spark or two spence at the end of it,
Speaker 2: but this this was a good start, so Gordon. Last
Speaker 2: year they well and last night they were also a
Speaker 2: siev Defensively, We'll get there. It's not a good defensive team.
Speaker 2: But if Walker and continue to evolve. Now, Memphis was
Speaker 2: really good at the rim, but but Walker had five
Speaker 2: block shots himself. I think they were sixteen of seventeen
Speaker 2: finishing at the rim. If he can evolve and just
Speaker 2: he's not going to be Rudy. I heard people say like, hey,
Speaker 2: he's better than He's not better than Rudy rookie year,
Speaker 2: give me a break, Like he has a marathon to
Speaker 2: go before he even lives in the same cul de sac.
Speaker 2: But what would it do for the defense if Walker
Speaker 2: can be what he was last night?
Speaker 3: You know, And that's one of the things I noticed
Speaker 3: what Will Hardy said after the game. He said, yeah,
Speaker 3: he played well defensively in the first half. In the
Speaker 3: second half, the coach saw some things where Walker needs
Speaker 3: to improve. Well, or you said it was just one game,
Speaker 3: But Spencer, I'm telling you, the things that I saw
Speaker 3: out of him look like they had some permanence to him.
Speaker 3: I agree, you know, the strength, the aggression, the aggression,
Speaker 3: the you know, the going to the hoop. I just
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think that's a guy who That
Speaker 3: was the good news last night. As far as I
Speaker 3: was concerned with the development. Another thing I liked and
Speaker 3: Bowler you know this, and so do you spent the Jazz.
Speaker 3: I like the honesty of the Jazz after the game.
Speaker 3: They know what's going on here. Will Hardy knows what's
Speaker 3: happening here, and they all admit it that this is
Speaker 3: about development. However, they depend on those those established players
Speaker 3: to get the you know, get get the Jazz back
Speaker 3: in the game and give them a chance to win.
Speaker 3: And that that gap between the young guys not contributing
Speaker 3: as much, well except for Kessler and uh Agus Hendrix
Speaker 3: had at second half. Yeah, yeah, but you know, four
Speaker 3: seven three or five from three, I mean that's showing
Speaker 3: some stuff. But somehow they have to get those guys
Speaker 3: to contribute all the time or as often as possible.
Speaker 3: And Kiante George last night just just struggled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to the bad. Let's let's let's stay
Speaker 2: in the good for a second and then we'll get
Speaker 2: to the bad. Because Kiante was bad turnovers leading to runouts,
Speaker 2: leading to transition points. I mean, I'm sure Will's frustrated.
Speaker 2: But Gordon said a couple of things about Walker Craig
Speaker 2: that I think need to be underscored. And before the
Speaker 2: game you walk down to the court, he's looking you
Speaker 2: see Zach e Edi Like that dude is a mountain.
Speaker 2: He's Mark Eaton and Walker somebody he didn't get pushed
Speaker 2: off his spot by Zach Okay. Second of all, Gordon
Speaker 2: talked about attacking the basket. No more finger rolls, You're
Speaker 2: seven feet dunk the ball. He did it lastly, as
Speaker 2: you referenced the screen setting last night, like that's the
Speaker 2: thing that go bears a lead at the Walker has
Speaker 2: been bad at and he was much better last night.
Speaker 2: Those three things really stood out. Offensive rebounds, he had six.
Speaker 2: I like the fact he kept the ball above his
Speaker 2: head and no one took it.
Speaker 3: Away.
Speaker 2: That meant to me that he has more strength in
Speaker 2: his hands in four arms where he can wrestle the
Speaker 2: ball down second chance opportunities at least on occasion. But
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I thought he was just more engaged.
Speaker 2: And when he gets off to good starts like you
Speaker 2: did last night, he runs the floor better and the
Speaker 2: reward is on both ends. He can run and roll,
Speaker 2: he can go back on deep block a shot. He's
Speaker 2: good like Rudy in a way where he can come
Speaker 2: out and show on the perimeter and then you know,
Speaker 2: basically run back and help protect painter or baseline. I
Speaker 2: think we'll get better at that, I really do. But
Speaker 2: Rudy has so much length that he can run out
Speaker 2: and show and then you know, go down and protect baseline.
Speaker 2: But now, Walker was a real positive last night, and.
Speaker 3: Will said one of the things Bowler and I thought
Speaker 3: it was interesting. He talked about Kessler rediscovering some joy.
Speaker 2: He brought that up. That's why I wanted to go next.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we've always saw, yes we have.
Speaker 2: You guys are like twins.
Speaker 3: You saw you saw when when the fans got the.
Speaker 2: Chickens better looking. Though I'm not sure he is. I'll
Speaker 2: stop that, but you know, I mean, he.
Speaker 3: Was cheering from the sideline and carrying on. And I
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe that's just the old man sentimentality in me,
Speaker 3: but I'd like to see that.
Speaker 2: You know what he was down last year, Let's be honest,
Speaker 2: call it what it is. He lost every bit of confidence.
Speaker 2: The injury put him in a hole. You know. Here,
Speaker 2: here's something else. He kind of told me that really
Speaker 2: he's not looking, if any at social media. I think
Speaker 2: that he realizes that he cannot live in a world
Speaker 2: of negativity for all of us, right, And I totally agree,
Speaker 2: because it can absorb you, it can destroy you, it
Speaker 2: can depress you. And I think for a young player
Speaker 2: trying to re establish and find himself, he did himself
Speaker 2: a hell of a favor just to focus on the
Speaker 2: game and Gordon and Spence to your point, he's having fun.
Speaker 2: He finds a spark again, right, and he's not, you know,
Speaker 2: half motoring it down the floor. And his glances to
Speaker 2: Will are nothing of what they were his rookie season.
Speaker 2: Who by the way, he busted. Maybe that was the
Speaker 2: worst case because he had such a great rookie season
Speaker 2: that the second year the expectations were even higher and
Speaker 2: then it didn't happen. The sophomore slump, I guess comes
Speaker 2: into play, but I'm really glad that he jumped down
Speaker 2: at least in one game. That's a great way to
Speaker 2: start a season. I'll tell you that eighty one to go.
Speaker 2: But gosh, Spencer right, if he can give you those
Speaker 2: type of numbers, he's a double double guy, and I
Speaker 2: think he's at least a three block shot guy per night.
Speaker 2: So my my twin also referenced. So I'm like Arnold
Speaker 2: Schwarzenegger and Gordon's yeah, very movie. But my twin brought
Speaker 2: up also Taylor. I want to talk about Taylor Hendricks
Speaker 2: because look, there are a lot of people that are
Speaker 2: out on him. You know, the summer league thing wasn't
Speaker 2: great this year, and he looked a little bit lost
Speaker 2: at times last year. I'm not one of those people.
Speaker 2: I think the Jazz maximized that draft slot. I think
Speaker 2: he was the best talent available last year at that slot.
Speaker 2: But I was talking to Smitty about this and then
Speaker 2: Gordy at the game last night. Taylor's not going to
Speaker 2: pop in a way where he's gonna have thirty five
Speaker 2: or forty one night like Donovan's rookie year, he goes
Speaker 2: for forty against the Pelicans, where I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: what is this real? It turns out that it was.
Speaker 2: Taylor demands a little bit more of a nuanced analysis.
Speaker 2: So like the play where Memphis goes one four flat,
Speaker 2: Jaw has the ball at the top of the key
Speaker 2: and Taylor has him and joh tries to shake him
Speaker 2: and take a step back jumper and Taylor blocks the shot.
Speaker 2: Because of how bad they're defense, Because of how bad
Speaker 2: they are defensively, they need a defensive wing that can
Speaker 2: match up with other wings. I think that can be Taylor.
Speaker 2: And if to Gordon's point, if he can just knock
Speaker 2: down open corner threes, that's a win, you know, because
Speaker 2: I don't think this is not a good isolation team.
Speaker 2: They're not gonna throw out to Taylor and say go
Speaker 2: make a play. If he can continue to use his measurables,
Speaker 2: he does look bigger and stronger match up against a
Speaker 2: Durant or whoever's on the other team. As a great
Speaker 2: dominant offensive wing, knock down some open shots, that's a win.
Speaker 2: I thought Taylor looked really good last year.
Speaker 3: Be useful, Yeah, I mean that's what these young guys
Speaker 3: have to do is be useful, contribute to positive things
Speaker 3: on the floor.
Speaker 2: You are you know what I think upstairs is where
Speaker 2: it's at. I mean people always say, you know, athleticism, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got it, But it's the it's the mental side
Speaker 2: of a dent and especially with him separates, he loses
Speaker 2: focus at times, right right, And you know he was
Speaker 2: a young guy on the Central Florida. You know, some
Speaker 2: people were high, some people thought no, but the jazz
Speaker 2: roll the dice. Danny liked what he saw on Justin
Speaker 2: as well. He had a slow start last night. I
Speaker 2: thought it was probably opening night second year jitters because
Speaker 2: he knows that the young guys understand there's pressure. Look,
Speaker 2: you can't play in this league without it. And he's
Speaker 2: being dependent, right, And you know what, he's gonna play
Speaker 2: post most likely on every They're gonna stick him on
Speaker 2: every tough offensive player that hits the floor home er
Speaker 2: away because of his length. But I like the fact
Speaker 2: that he got himself back together and spence in the
Speaker 2: second half and started hitting threes, spread the floor. And
Speaker 2: I've always said, man, the power of the three is real.
Speaker 2: Look what happened in the first half seventeen down because
Speaker 2: of what Memphis was able to do with a three
Speaker 2: point shot. Joh got to the rim. But then the
Speaker 2: Jazz started hitting shots. It sounds it sounds simple, but
Speaker 2: they I thought they just ran the ball. Found that
Speaker 2: they were more patient and some of the threes really
Speaker 2: helped bring that club back. And if it wasn't for
Speaker 2: a couple of late misfree throws, they may have won
Speaker 2: that game.
Speaker 3: I got a question for you guys. So I know
Speaker 3: you were more offensive. Mind as a player yourself.
Speaker 2: Get the shots up, So what do you have to do?
Speaker 3: But what is it going to take defensively to get
Speaker 3: this team to be able to get big stops when
Speaker 3: they need it? I mean, if Hendrix can, can he
Speaker 3: develop into a stopper? Is it a matter of getting
Speaker 3: the guys to coordinate together and work together in order
Speaker 3: to slow down offenses?
Speaker 2: We last night I saw two things and Craig, I'll
Speaker 2: certainly see it to you here. I do think Taylor
Speaker 2: can develop so coming out, And I never loved the
Speaker 2: comp thing. We've talked about this for years because I
Speaker 2: think comps put an idea in a fans mind and
Speaker 2: if a player never becomes that it's like what you
Speaker 2: were supposed to be that player. I heard a lot
Speaker 2: of Pascal Siakam for Taylor Hendrix. Siakam's awesome, He's an
Speaker 2: All Star, Like, let's pump the brakes a little bit.
Speaker 2: But if Taylor can play a little with a little
Speaker 2: bit more bite, he can be a little bit like
Speaker 2: Jade McDaniels from Minnesota, right, who is a defensive wing
Speaker 2: who can score a little bit, but he's mostly a knockdown,
Speaker 2: spot up shooter, doesn't do much off the dribble. But
Speaker 2: last night, two things. It's point of attack defense, it's
Speaker 2: on ball defense, and I'm talking to you Kyante, like,
Speaker 2: it's not fair to judge anybody who's trying to guard
Speaker 2: John Morant. But this was the issue with Caianty last year.
Speaker 2: So everybody's talking about make or miss on offense. Kiante
Speaker 2: had a horrible night defensively. The only player that had
Speaker 2: success with joh was Taylor, you know. And so it's
Speaker 2: point of attack defense. And then it's turnovers that lead
Speaker 2: to runouts. Right, So they were last in transition defense
Speaker 2: last year, but it was because of their turnovers. And
Speaker 2: there's this thing that sometimes people do because the Warriors
Speaker 2: with stay with Clay and Steph and Durant were like
Speaker 2: third to last in the league in turnovers. You'd hear broadcast,
Speaker 2: you'd be like, well, turnovers don't matter. They don't matter
Speaker 2: if you have Durant and Steph and Clay. They matter
Speaker 2: if you have Keyante and sex Like and Sexton like
Speaker 2: last night, it was turnovers to transition points and point
Speaker 2: of attack defense. To me, Craig, those are the two
Speaker 2: defensive issues, right then, go I mean turnovers, they allowed
Speaker 2: twenty four points. Here's the other problem. When you don't
Speaker 2: hit threes, which was the case in the first half,
Speaker 2: that ball takes a wicked bounce. Now it can come long.
Speaker 2: I'm short, and so the runout is there. And unless
Speaker 2: you just turn after the shots released and bust tailed
Speaker 2: down the floor, it's just a gimme. That's where the
Speaker 2: Jazz had issues last year as well, missshots, runouts, light
Speaker 2: ball turnovers where they have no chance to get back
Speaker 2: on defense. And you know, Will made an interesting point.
Speaker 2: He said, Look, this league isn't perfect. Each team's going
Speaker 2: to have a couple of minutes where they they lose
Speaker 2: focus and they may allow a six to zero eight
Speaker 2: zero run the challenge for the jazz, and he said
Speaker 2: this in his pregame presser last night, is that you
Speaker 2: can't extend it to eight minutes of hell right, he
Speaker 2: didn't say hell, I did, But but think about that.
Speaker 2: Where you're going to see improvement for the jazz is
Speaker 2: the hiccup. But then they're able to put it and
Speaker 2: put the fire out. And you know why last night
Speaker 2: down seventeen, there were moments where they ran back and
Speaker 2: they got a little tougher defensively. I like the fact
Speaker 2: that John Collins was showing the guys how to play
Speaker 2: Zach Zach edie and you know what, get a little
Speaker 2: get a little nasty down low right. I mean those
Speaker 2: guys he fouled out in his in his rookie debut
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes. Yeah, I'm not sure, you know what. I
Speaker 2: didn't see enough of him. I talked to him on
Speaker 2: the floor last night, guys, and I tell you I
Speaker 2: was blown away. I said, hey, man, you got to
Speaker 2: be excited about your rookie debut.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe, I just know that's it interesting the most he's
Speaker 2: not the most highly verbal individual of excitement I've ever
Speaker 2: rubber run into.
Speaker 3: I know one thing in my later years. I don't
Speaker 3: want ed.
Speaker 2: All right, moving on? Uh we do have we probably
Speaker 2: have gone. And by the way, he got a couple
Speaker 2: of clients that you know, if you want to better
Speaker 2: chew on that. Yeah, okay, all right, okay, moving on. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I apologize that was it wasn't your worst. I believe
Speaker 2: you know what we need still drums in here, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Back compliment it wasn't your worst, which tells you how
Speaker 3: bad the worst was.
Speaker 2: I'll try to come up with a couple of examples.
Speaker 2: But before we sigt off, we probably have gone too
Speaker 2: long without talking about marketing who just like continues to
Speaker 2: raise his game to another level. If you're the Golden
Speaker 2: State Warriors and you're watching Lowry, I mean, because they're
Speaker 2: going to waste the final few years of steps prime.
Speaker 2: They don't have a good enough team. They're probably the
Speaker 2: sixth or the seventh seed in the one Big Last
Speaker 2: Night in the West. Yeah and look there, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not like they're a bad team. But I would
Speaker 2: venture to guess there may not be another game all
Speaker 2: year where an NBA player scores thirty five points and
Speaker 2: takes fifteen shots. That's nuts. Got to the line, knocked
Speaker 2: down thirteen to fourteen, four of seven from three in
Speaker 2: the second half. Memphis was keen on him and they
Speaker 2: couldn't do a thing. He did whatever he wanted last night.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: What would have taken for the Warriors to entice the
Speaker 3: Jazz into that deal? What? What did they not offer
Speaker 3: that the Jazz wanted bowler?
Speaker 2: Do you have any insight there, because I really don't
Speaker 2: know if it's the young guard? Is it Pajemski? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the report is the Jazz, but I can't believe that
Speaker 2: that's true. The Golden Stay was like, no, we are
Speaker 2: not trading for Lowry because you want Brandon Pajemski. Like,
Speaker 2: if that was the hill you died on, you died
Speaker 2: on the wrong hill. He's a fine young player, but
Speaker 2: Larry is he's top shelf man. He's really good.
Speaker 3: And the thing about Larry is that it's not like
Speaker 3: a guy who's just taking advantage of playing on what
Speaker 3: might be a bad team, Like you said, fifteen shots,
Speaker 3: it's nuts. I mean he can do that. He could
Speaker 3: do that for the Warriors and still make room for
Speaker 3: the other guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My guess is Danny probably said, look, if you
Speaker 2: want Lowry, then go look at what I got for
Speaker 2: Donovan and go Bear and let me know if you
Speaker 2: can match that, because I can't believe that Pajemski was
Speaker 2: the breaking point. That makes no sense to me. But
Speaker 2: you know what, Curry's gone and Draymond's declined continues. Golden
Speaker 2: State is in their own rebuilds.
Speaker 3: Tea last night.
Speaker 2: And so what happens is if the Jazz would have
Speaker 2: owned some of those picks, they may have been pretty
Speaker 2: valuable and high level, right, But I think the bottom
Speaker 2: line is when discussed, Lowry may have quelled that conversation himself.
Speaker 2: I mean, he actually wanted to be here.
Speaker 3: If you said that part, you said that five times
Speaker 3: last night, and I think it really resonates with Jazz fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, how about that he wants to be here?
Speaker 2: And what I saw last night is that during the
Speaker 2: preseason Spence and Gordo, I thought he struggled with double
Speaker 2: teams and even the third guy coming around the edge
Speaker 2: when he turned his head and put the ball down
Speaker 2: around his waist, he would turn the ball over with
Speaker 2: a slap. They would just kind of slap it out
Speaker 2: of his hands and it frustrated him. But I thought
Speaker 2: he was stronger with the ball last night and maybe
Speaker 2: face the basket a little bit more instead of turning sideways,
Speaker 2: which I think the Jazz are trying to obviously wreck.
Speaker 2: You know, let's just say remind him, man, he's still
Speaker 2: a strong guy. He put on weight too, and muscle,
Speaker 2: and you see it in the in the biceps. He's
Speaker 2: a strong guy. And can he keep the weight on?
Speaker 2: As Big t always says, it's it's not only the weight,
Speaker 2: but can you keep the strength that comes with some
Speaker 2: of that? And that's the important part for for Marketing
Speaker 2: and for Walker too, and I think it's also for Taylor.
Speaker 2: You know, grow into your bodies and you know it's
Speaker 2: part of that maturity process. But I think a lot
Speaker 2: of it's stillygo is upstairs between the years, understanding what
Speaker 2: you need to do and don't play outside yourself. You know.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's that holds true for Keante. Look have you
Speaker 2: got some good handles? Okay, you don't have to show
Speaker 2: it every time go down, be effective, be an impact
Speaker 2: and play smart and just don't try to go outside
Speaker 2: the box. In your second year in the in the NBA,
Speaker 2: this team needs, you know, someone to run the show.
Speaker 2: And I think that's got to be another focal point
Speaker 2: tomorrow night and beyond as you're you know, as the
Speaker 2: season continues. Last thing here, then we'll catch your break
Speaker 2: to do college football coming up next. I wondered aloud
Speaker 2: yesterday on the show because the xanak Age Ryan Smith
Speaker 2: message to the fan base's development young players, that's what
Speaker 2: you're going to see. But ultimately it's up to the
Speaker 2: head coach. So how would Will handle it in the
Speaker 2: case where Keyante George goes three of eighteen like he
Speaker 2: did last night and is not impacting winning. The most
Speaker 2: interesting stat to me last night, Patty Mills in sixteen
Speaker 2: minutes didn't take one shot, he didn't take one free throw,
Speaker 2: He had one assist, but they were plus ten and
Speaker 2: sixteen minutes when Patty was on the floor and Keante
Speaker 2: was off. Because when Patty was on the floor, the
Speaker 2: ball started to move. He knows what to do, you know, obvious,
Speaker 2: he's thirty six, He's been doing this for twenty years.
Speaker 2: So I just have to wonder if Will is going
Speaker 2: to have the self control to continue to allow Keyante
Speaker 2: to screw up and say he's our guy. We're going
Speaker 2: to let him learn through it, or does he get
Speaker 2: so frustrated say I know it pops a little bit
Speaker 2: better with Patty. Can Patty give me another five ten
Speaker 2: minutes a night. I don't know how that's going to look.
Speaker 3: I think he will stay with Kant unless it gets
Speaker 3: really bad. If it gets really bad. Now, now you're
Speaker 3: not doing the kid any favors by having you know, uh,
Speaker 3: who was the draft pick that Jazz said that they
Speaker 3: moved up for that guard forgetting his name right now?
Speaker 3: Will no, no no. After that, they moved up Trey Burke.
Speaker 3: Trey Burke, you know That's what I mean. They they
Speaker 3: gave him time and it just never came around. And
Speaker 3: I'm not saying Keante is is Trey, but I mean
Speaker 3: at some point, Bowler the coach has to say, Okay,
Speaker 3: at this point, for the good of the other guys,
Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta go with the guy who's going
Speaker 3: to smooth things.
Speaker 2: That's one of the famous lines in Star Wars. Is
Speaker 2: it Yoda who says no, there is another? So you
Speaker 2: forgot about Callier who's out with the hamstring A little
Speaker 2: Yoda on a Thursday? Thank you?
Speaker 3: Correct? I like that. There is no try, There is
Speaker 3: no try.
Speaker 2: There is no try. But you know, he intrigues me
Speaker 2: more of kind of a bulldog type of point. Are
Speaker 2: a little more physical, can get in the paint a
Speaker 2: little bit more. He's got the hamstring. The report today
Speaker 2: from the Jazz that was made public that they are
Speaker 2: going to reevaluate him in ten days, but he is
Speaker 2: going to be on the floor trying to work himself
Speaker 2: back in. They want to be careful. Hamstrings can be
Speaker 2: pretty wicked and come back on a regular basis. But yeah,
Speaker 2: but I think that's why Patty's here is in this
Speaker 2: particular case that an injury pops just like that, and
Speaker 2: Patty Mills becomes an important fact and your stat number
Speaker 2: is exactly who he is and why he will brought
Speaker 2: him here. Just calm it down, man, Just run it,
Speaker 2: run the show, and and and show the ball, move
Speaker 2: the ball. Yeah. So, but I'm anxious to see Callier.
Speaker 2: H Yeah, he's out there. Yeah, I play with Bronnie.
Speaker 2: I talked to him. In the beginning of the season.
Speaker 2: It was chaos at USC You can imagine with with
Speaker 2: Bronni there. Everyone the press was always saying, can oh,
Speaker 2: but Lebron's gonna show up and it just was constant.
Speaker 2: Have you know, just an uncomfortable place that really kind
Speaker 2: of I think took him out of his game and
Speaker 2: he's hoping he can find it here. And last thing
Speaker 2: on Callier. Unlike Keante, he's always played the position. Yes,
Speaker 2: he's always been a league guard, Kiante. This is new
Speaker 2: for him. He's learning, so we'll see, all right, we'll
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Speaker 2: All right, we got Craig Bowler, Jack Gordon, Moths and
Speaker 2: Liven Studio for another big, long segment. Last segment was
Speaker 2: jazz stuff NBA basketballs. Move over to some college football,
Speaker 2: and let's start out with the good. Okay, So, ultimately
Speaker 2: I thought, at this point in the season, you know,
Speaker 2: six seven games in, I thought Utah football would be undefeated,
Speaker 2: maybe one loss. I thought the offense would be high powered.
Speaker 2: I thought the defense would make havoc plays and create turnovers.
Speaker 2: I thought the home stadium advantage would be one of
Speaker 2: the best in the West, because it has been. All
Speaker 2: of that is happening about forty miles as the crow
Speaker 2: flies down there, and none of it's happening up here.
Speaker 2: So let's start with BYU Gordon, who, just to put
Speaker 2: it mildly, has had good fortune. We'll just say that.
Speaker 2: And I'm still wondering what it looks like if they
Speaker 2: play a really good team where nothing weird happens. Not
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty eight yard park at Kingston, punt return,
Speaker 2: not a scoop and score, not the chaos that seems
Speaker 2: to have happened. But the bottom line is the bottom line.
Speaker 2: You survive in advance. They're seven and zero. How good
Speaker 2: you think BYU is?
Speaker 3: I think they're really good? And this is I look
Speaker 3: at the way a team handles itself, how the teammates
Speaker 3: look at each other and what's happening. Obviously, when you're winning,
Speaker 3: it's easier to be that way, but I think there
Speaker 3: is something special happening with this team. You talk about
Speaker 3: weird things happening. Well, BYU force some of those turnovers,
Speaker 3: not all of them. Someone that is scoop and score.
Speaker 3: That's thank you very much, right, But you saw the
Speaker 3: interceptions and even when Jake had some problems, you know
Speaker 3: BYU would turn the ball, would get the ball back
Speaker 3: by forcing a turnover or getting one anyway. So I
Speaker 3: guess the bottom line is Spence, Yes, this team is good.
Speaker 3: They did not play well against Oklahoma State. They made
Speaker 3: a lot of mistakes. Klanne was ticked off afterwards that
Speaker 3: they didn't play up to what his expectation was and
Speaker 3: they still won. So what does that say?
Speaker 2: Good teams find a way. That's the old cliche, But
Speaker 2: I think they're opportunistic and you said it. I mean
Speaker 2: they forced some of these turnovers, but they've also been
Speaker 2: in the right position. A case state comes to mind,
Speaker 2: by the way, and it doesn't in that minute fifteen span.
Speaker 2: It was a perfect storm. If he was, it was
Speaker 2: man at floodgates, just you know, a tsunami, what may,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, but you know, when
Speaker 2: you are given that opportunity, good teams will take advantage.
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what went down, and that's what they
Speaker 2: continue to do. Jake, I think is a is a
Speaker 2: guy that has a ton of confidence. He can throw
Speaker 2: the middle ball really well. Seems to be a much
Speaker 2: more what's the word I want to use, polished quarterback
Speaker 2: At times, you know, they're still hiccups, right, but I
Speaker 2: just think he feels like he's in that position where
Speaker 2: he belongs. Kilane, he told you, Gordo multiple times, Man,
Speaker 2: we're good and that was in camp and they've proven that. Right.
Speaker 2: Interesting that they're an underdog this week at seven and.
Speaker 3: Oh why because they didn't stop the run against Oillclomba
Speaker 3: State and u c F. They had three hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty rushing arms last week.
Speaker 2: That's what they did in Iowa State, which.
Speaker 3: Is one of the best defenses in the country, supposedly.
Speaker 2: Eleventh ranked, and spend time with you, I've figured you'd
Speaker 2: flip it that even Utah would probably be a top
Speaker 2: maybe six rank sixth right now up there, right, Utah
Speaker 2: would be clean. Yeah, and BYU is running the table
Speaker 2: at seven oh, eleventh ranked in the country, but a
Speaker 2: two point underdog. This will be interesting to see how
Speaker 2: they do it, U ce F. And you're right about
Speaker 2: the ground game. That's you know, if you can that's
Speaker 2: what every coach says, what they say to you, Gordo, Hey,
Speaker 2: if we can we can establish the run or stop
Speaker 2: the run, stop her, or establish and not turn the
Speaker 2: ball over and play, you know, sixty minutes football, We're
Speaker 2: going to win. I got a football coach from like
Speaker 2: a Western movie or which coaches that's John Wayne.
Speaker 3: I like you.
Speaker 2: I like that John Wayne coach here. Yeah what John Wayne?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do? Uh Kennedy better than John Wayne. What
Speaker 2: about John Wayne? As Kennedy? My brother Bobby was a
Speaker 2: good man. Try to stop it's a wall. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: Phil Grumm, I'm not going to hit you. The hell
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I've heard I've heard Morgan Scally say a thousand times.
Speaker 3: I've heard Colon say a thousand times. Priority number one,
Speaker 3: stop the run, because if you can do that, then
Speaker 3: you can make a team one handed. And they they
Speaker 3: really struggled in that where they hadn't been struggling in
Speaker 3: that regard, but against Oklahoma State they did. And that's
Speaker 3: what UCF does. They have a new quarterback who I
Speaker 3: don't know whether he's he can really hurt the Googers
Speaker 3: throwing the ball, but they're gonna have to get that
Speaker 3: ground game, if not stopped, at least slowed. Well.
Speaker 2: The most impressive thing for me about BYU is they
Speaker 2: they can bring whatever that game mandate. So right now,
Speaker 2: like your Chiefs, you know it doesn't Mahomes does not
Speaker 2: air it out anymore. Like he's one of the worst
Speaker 2: fantasy football quarterbacks in the NFL. It's a true thing.
Speaker 2: You could actually drop him from your team and be fine.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter. Like whatever Andy Reid needs to
Speaker 2: do to put the Chiefs in position to win, they
Speaker 2: do it. They can beat you three zero, they can
Speaker 2: beat you thirty one to twenty eight. Now they got
Speaker 2: a great leg in butker Kelsey you know, don't know
Speaker 2: what's about. But Mahomes just figures it out. Does Yeah,
Speaker 2: It's like it's like a puzzle. It just figures it out.
Speaker 2: And BYU's doing that, they're finding ways to win. Yeah,
Speaker 2: outside pocket picking up a crucial first down on third
Speaker 2: and long, while Mahomes does that constantly, Jake can get
Speaker 2: out and there's a lot of similarities there. But the
Speaker 2: Chiefs have been also opportunistic. They have not played great
Speaker 2: football the last couple of weeks much better. The way
Speaker 2: they started this season looked like they were lethargic and
Speaker 2: thought someone's going to give him a third ring in
Speaker 2: a row. Not the case in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: And you got a hungry BYU team that doesn't like
Speaker 2: to be told they're no good, and they go out
Speaker 2: and prove everybody they're they're wrong. Well, and they're on
Speaker 2: a roll. They've got confidence that it's hard to find
Speaker 2: and to maintain that.
Speaker 3: They think they're going to win. And I was very
Speaker 3: curious to see how Jake Rutzlaft would handle that last drive.
Speaker 3: What a minute thirteen left. And this is where BYU
Speaker 3: quarterbacks make their names. Right in these situations, I'm saying
Speaker 3: Jake have it in him to do this. He gets
Speaker 3: that what that thirty yard game running the ball? He
Speaker 3: picked up that down that you were referencing Bowler third
Speaker 3: and eight, I think it was when it may have
Speaker 3: been fourth down when he hit Downe's fourth down exactly,
Speaker 3: and the yeah, and that what to play that was?
Speaker 3: And yeah what one yard despair? And then they keep
Speaker 3: the drive alive and they go down. And then when
Speaker 3: he drops back and then he sort of double clutched
Speaker 3: drop back again, and then moved up and steps up
Speaker 3: and drills that ball to Darius Lassiter. And I don't
Speaker 3: know what Oklahoma State was doing on defense there, but
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this is what they're doing. Lass looks
Speaker 3: like a real weapon to mesction.
Speaker 2: He's an athlete. You know what bothers me in college
Speaker 2: football and in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I hate.
Speaker 2: Protecting the lead and getting the wave of how you
Speaker 2: even got there. I mean the two minute drill or
Speaker 2: the prevent defense that coordinators put on the field. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's just give up to fifteen and then we'll just
Speaker 2: let the clock run. No, no, no, you know what,
Speaker 2: when you lose your middle round and the backers drop
Speaker 2: back or they play up a little bit and you
Speaker 2: go underneath, and all of a sudden, you go man
Speaker 2: coverage and you get busted. I see this all the time.
Speaker 2: Go play your regular set of football on the defensive side.
Speaker 2: But instead they're afraid to give up the big play.
Speaker 2: But they give up big chunks at a time and
Speaker 2: then allows a big play to happen. That's me. Well,
Speaker 2: it's also what back to the Mahomes magic when teams
Speaker 2: realized he's impossible.
Speaker 3: There were.
Speaker 2: When teams realize like he's impossible, they started bumping everybody back,
Speaker 2: prevent defense, whatever you want to call it, too deep,
Speaker 2: and so Mahomes has just turned into this little dink
Speaker 2: and dunk and dunk. Okay, if I'll final take six
Speaker 2: yards here in four yards here, and we'll just keep
Speaker 2: moving the chains like he's they're not playing the way
Speaker 2: that made them like the most exciting team in the
Speaker 2: NFL when they don't have young was like a young quarterback.
Speaker 2: But the thing is they just don't need him because
Speaker 2: the bottom line is what it's winning games. And it's
Speaker 2: the same thing with Brigham me on Gordon. Whatever the
Speaker 2: game needs, call it fate, call it fortune, call it luck,
Speaker 2: call it make your own luck, whatever it is. Every
Speaker 2: single game they have just found a way to get
Speaker 2: it done, and you have to tip your cap.
Speaker 3: This is what I think the result of what happened
Speaker 3: the other night for BYU is. I think that game
Speaker 3: is going to make them better, not worse. I know
Speaker 3: they showed some weaknesses. They made a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 3: They gave up the run. That's something that they have
Speaker 3: to stop, like we talked about earlier, but this team really,
Speaker 3: if you believe you're gonna win, you can't achieve if
Speaker 3: you don't believe. Bowler, I agree, and I am also
Speaker 3: Ronnie said that, but so did who else said that.
Speaker 2: I'm trying. I'm trying to think it sounds like a
Speaker 2: Johnny Cochran line to me. No, it doesn't fit. You
Speaker 2: must have quit.
Speaker 3: Anyway. The point is they believe, they thought, they thought
Speaker 3: they were gonna win that game, and the rest of
Speaker 3: us are sitting there going all right, does Jake have
Speaker 3: it in him to lead this team down the down
Speaker 3: the field? Is he? Does he have a little tie
Speaker 3: depth mirandum? Does he little Steve young anim What does
Speaker 3: he have in him? Well? I mean that was a
Speaker 3: pretty sweet.
Speaker 2: Ball, it was, and you know, what we're seeing, and
Speaker 2: then we'll get to Utah after this. And this shows
Speaker 2: what happens when you can build some momentum a little
Speaker 2: bit like a snowball. I haven't been down there, but
Speaker 2: Lavelle Edwards looks like the most rocking spot around. It
Speaker 2: looks like it did back in the day when b
Speaker 2: YU football was the top of the top of the table.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you play like this, fans are gonna
Speaker 2: show up and the game ops are doing a good job.
Speaker 2: Cosmo's Cosmo fire Dancers looks like those folks are having
Speaker 2: a good old time on Whole Milk and donuts.
Speaker 3: That's what happens when you're under feet the whole.
Speaker 2: Milk and Donuts. I love that lines. I'll tell you Cosmo,
Speaker 2: by the way, I got to give him some high
Speaker 2: level cred.
Speaker 3: I mean jumping down the helicopters or from what was
Speaker 3: he doing the other?
Speaker 2: Like three or four games ago, we had three tables
Speaker 2: stacked and he was like jumping from one table to another.
Speaker 2: Come on, it's it's remarkable. I'm knocking out.
Speaker 3: Look.
Speaker 2: I worked at the Disney's Wire World of Sports as
Speaker 2: an intern in the summer of ninety eight. We had
Speaker 2: we had mascot tryouts for the Harlem glow Trotters. Nice
Speaker 2: Scott's are weird people. Man, that's a strange folk. Okay,
Speaker 2: carnies and such, But whoever is Cosmo? Cosmo he did
Speaker 2: he did the fire dance right at a couple of
Speaker 2: us batons or whatever.
Speaker 3: On watch watch him mix it up with the cougarrets. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he's dancing with them.
Speaker 2: Let me take the chance to apologize to any mascots
Speaker 2: that are listening to the show. I don't want any
Speaker 2: angry emails, the look that yeah here they come all right.
Speaker 2: With the remaining time, let's talk to you. It's you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's such an interesting lesson. And I always say
Speaker 2: this like we're just giving you educated guesses. We don't
Speaker 2: really know. Charles Barkley has a great line when hej says, Okay,
Speaker 2: now let's go to the experts, and Charles says, there
Speaker 2: are no experts already, only God's an expert. Everyone and
Speaker 2: their dog picked Utah to finish either a top the
Speaker 2: Big twelve or in the top three. And there's a
Speaker 2: case to be made that they're one of the worst
Speaker 2: teams in the conference. Let me present their offensive numbers,
Speaker 2: and then we'll talk about coach Ludd total offense. Right now,
Speaker 2: Utah fifteenth of sixteen teams, remember sixteen teams the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: I know it doesn't make sense write a letter someone
Speaker 2: tenth and passing ninth and rushing fourteenth and scoring fourteenth
Speaker 2: and first downs, fifteenth and third down conversions, thirteenth and
Speaker 2: fourth down conversions, fourteenth in efficiency, eleventh in red zone,
Speaker 2: and somehow number one in time of possession, which is
Speaker 2: so weird it's crazy. But ultimately that indicates that you're
Speaker 2: a bottom three offense in the entire Big twelve. Andy
Speaker 2: Ludwig out Mike Bijakian in Gordon will start with you.
Speaker 3: Well, when you only pick up sixty eight yards on
Speaker 3: the ground rushing against DCU, you got a problem. You
Speaker 3: got a big problem. When Bernard only carries the ball
Speaker 3: thirteen times. I know he's not the kind of back
Speaker 3: that you want to give it to him twenty five
Speaker 3: times in the game, but that number was way too low.
Speaker 3: And knowing Kyle Whittingham the way we do, if you
Speaker 3: lose a game and you only pick up sixty eight
Speaker 3: yards rushing, someone's gonna pay for that. And the second
Speaker 3: I heard Kyle Whittingham say, well, we have some tough
Speaker 3: decisions to make over the next twenty four to forty
Speaker 3: eight hours, I thought Andy, he loved, was in trouble.
Speaker 3: That's the first thing that came into my mind. And
Speaker 3: we're talking about guyho's been there for ten what five
Speaker 3: years now? Yeah? Yeah, I mean a guy who has
Speaker 3: helped that team win championships and the two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and nine Sugar Bowl of that time.
Speaker 3: But this has been ugly. I mean, and you said
Speaker 3: everybody and his dog was picking the youths to win
Speaker 3: the conference. If came rising, stayed.
Speaker 2: Here, you gorrect That's the key, you know, and Andy
Speaker 2: knows that too. But also I think some of the criticism,
Speaker 2: do you simplify his offense to allow Isaac to, let's
Speaker 2: just say, at least be productive. I don't know if
Speaker 2: the young eighteen year olds soon to be nineteen is
Speaker 2: gonna have that ability, right because Cam had that playbook
Speaker 2: in his head back pocket, knew exactly what to do
Speaker 2: every time he, you know, took a snap. This will
Speaker 2: be interesting to see how Isaac responds, how does the
Speaker 2: O line respond? And I know the defense guys we
Speaker 2: talked about this before he came on. I mean, Morgan
Speaker 2: scalley'sd has been living on the field and that just
Speaker 2: can't continue on just no way, because either injury comes
Speaker 2: or you're gonna lose some guys and then you have
Speaker 2: a you maybe already have a little bit of a
Speaker 2: split on the team, like hey, guys, you canna help us,
Speaker 2: you know, or we're trying to save your butt every game.
Speaker 2: But it's just not happening right now. Run game hurting
Speaker 2: and with Cam done for the season. One thing, I
Speaker 2: am glad, and we said this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: I'm just glad that Wit just came out and made
Speaker 2: it very clear, as did the Jazz, about what the
Speaker 2: focal point is with the franchise and where they're going
Speaker 2: ahead now with Isaac at quarterback. Fans have to know
Speaker 2: that I agree with you. But look, Isaac is less
Speaker 2: than a year removed away from trying to figure out
Speaker 2: Farmington's secondary. He's not gonna like dice up big twelve
Speaker 2: teams exactly. I think ultimately it's fair to say, for
Speaker 2: the second straight year, were you properly prepared in the
Speaker 2: instance that your entire franchise goes down? Which happened again,
Speaker 2: and there are two have thought, all right, so did
Speaker 2: they just whiff on sam Hewart because they did go
Speaker 2: to the portal to find a vet Did they whiff
Speaker 2: on him? Were there other potential veteran quarterbacks in college
Speaker 2: football that didn't want to sit beyond Cameron? Or did
Speaker 2: you really go get the personnel you needed in the
Speaker 2: case that your injury prone quarterback got hurt for the
Speaker 2: second straight year. That, to me, as much as anything else,
Speaker 2: is why Andy Ludwig is down at the office filing
Speaker 2: for unemployment.
Speaker 3: And those coaches are responsible for that obviously, to get
Speaker 3: the right guys in place to be able to make
Speaker 3: good decisions. And they picked Isaac early on and settled
Speaker 3: on him almost immediately. Yeah, and so it makes me
Speaker 3: wonder if they I don't know, I don't know what
Speaker 3: Sam Hewart can do in this offense. I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: But how much has it change under the Jacin Well?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll tell you one thing, that ground game
Speaker 3: is going to become more productive or else I mean.
Speaker 2: The interim and Spence I was doing some research on
Speaker 2: it today, you know, in the sense of his field expertise.
Speaker 2: He has it in the past he was the senior
Speaker 2: offensive analyst, but yet still the quarterback coach. He's been
Speaker 2: to the National Football League as well, with the Buccaneers
Speaker 2: as their quarterback coach for four years a few years ago,
Speaker 2: so he's got quarterback experience coaching, and maybe that helps
Speaker 2: a young Isaac Wilson. But again, how does that translate
Speaker 2: to the field. And this week when they're on the
Speaker 2: road at Houston, by the way, well thir three and
Speaker 2: a half point favorites, which was a little surprising. Yep, Utah, Well,
Speaker 2: I know it's Houston, yes, but still a road. It's
Speaker 2: still the road. The road is not a fun place.
Speaker 3: The most condemning number from that game the other night,
Speaker 3: even worse than the sixty eight rushing yards eleven eleven punts,
Speaker 3: that's right. That tells you they couldn't pick up They
Speaker 3: couldn't pick up first downs, let alone and sustained drives.
Speaker 2: So I mean, that's what was your number in the
Speaker 2: red zone and they are eleventh.
Speaker 3: I thought it would be.
Speaker 2: Worse than that, That's what I thought. I was actually
Speaker 2: surprised he was that good. But there are eleven because
Speaker 2: they do kick field goals, which is you can rather
Speaker 2: have touchdowns, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: I think their touchdown rate is like forty six in
Speaker 3: the red zone, and Kyle said they like to keep
Speaker 3: their goal is seventy at least, of course, And so
Speaker 3: there you have it, man. I mean, these guys got
Speaker 3: to get it together. This is, in my opinion, this
Speaker 3: is what needs to happen. They need to get in
Speaker 3: front of that offensive line and say, look, fellas, it's
Speaker 3: time to grade some road. You gotta do it. You
Speaker 3: gotta move. You got to create space for this run
Speaker 3: game so that we have that as a base. And
Speaker 3: then from there they can move forward with allowing if
Speaker 3: it's Isaac Wilson, allowing him to do some little simple throws,
Speaker 3: not real complex stuff. Although the best play of the
Speaker 3: game was a seventy one yarder, which was a real
Speaker 3: sweet throw. He can sing.
Speaker 2: I mean, those Wilson boys can throw a football, there's
Speaker 2: no doubt. It's just the other things that haven't necessarily
Speaker 2: fallen into place. But I think Craig raises a good
Speaker 2: point because we heard from Mike Pijakian on Tuesday. It
Speaker 2: was his first media availability, and he said, the systems
Speaker 2: in place, the systems, the system, right, this isn't the
Speaker 2: NFL where you can come in and tell your general manager,
Speaker 2: I need a left tackle, right, go give me a
Speaker 2: wide receiver. Now the personnel is the same, the systems
Speaker 2: the same. So my question is what can Mike Bijakian
Speaker 2: do with an Andy Ludwig offense and the same personnel
Speaker 2: that Andy Ludwig himself could not do? Like, what what's
Speaker 2: reasonable to expect?
Speaker 3: And Pete Houston? I mean the timing for that is perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you could call plays and they would beat Houston.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but I mean, maybe build a little
Speaker 3: something positive.
Speaker 2: Might have a new career.
Speaker 3: Can what's the last time you can remember the utes
Speaker 3: tumbling the way they have over the last three weeks.
Speaker 2: Two home losses that were devastating, and the fan base
Speaker 2: just the energy in that place, which has always been
Speaker 2: high level. Man, just you know, boom, it was. It
Speaker 2: was like energy sapp down.
Speaker 3: This coach is Bowler and you know, listen, you should
Speaker 3: say in your voice, not mine, but coaches are going
Speaker 3: to tell the guys to go back to fundamentals.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, that's that's the first thing you say
Speaker 2: in practice. Guys, if we have to, I'm gonna take
Speaker 2: you back to just how you set your feet, how
Speaker 2: you hit, how you go into a defender with your
Speaker 2: pads squared, and how you drive, drive, drive, drive, drive
Speaker 2: them out. And I'm curious too if they'll use the
Speaker 2: athleticism of Isaac and do they run outside the tackles
Speaker 2: a bit? Can they spread the field more instead of
Speaker 2: running between the tackles. It seems that's been a problem
Speaker 2: that those short yards have not come easy, and so
Speaker 2: do you open up the field a little bit? Regardless,
Speaker 2: how does play more into this as well?
Speaker 3: I'm just going to say that, regardless of who's playing quarterback,
Speaker 3: what do you expect a bigger season out of Kithy?
Speaker 2: If they It's almost like I look, I'm only saying,
Speaker 2: you know, I follow the Chiefs. I'm not everybody knows
Speaker 2: that I'm from Kansas City. Kelsey has not been involved
Speaker 2: much in my homes or even they're looking for him.
Speaker 2: And it's almost a similar situation where I thought Keify
Speaker 2: would be a real big part. But maybe it's because
Speaker 2: of the injury and Isaac just doesn't have the ability
Speaker 2: to look off and go through his progressions and take
Speaker 2: the time of the patience for it to develop.
Speaker 3: Well, you're tight, it is your safety valve. Isn't that
Speaker 3: where you look when you can't find anything?
Speaker 2: Well, when he's high levels, sometimes he just kind of
Speaker 2: goes middle field and the backers drop. But now everybody
Speaker 2: knows what Kelsey is and they've known it for years.
Speaker 2: But for some reason this season he's not as engaged
Speaker 2: in Mahomes's mind. But Keify could be a bigger part
Speaker 2: of his offense. That could be one of the answers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the bulk of Brand's numbers have been when Cameron's been
Speaker 2: under center, and a lot of it was Southern Utah.
Speaker 2: Who you know, Dejhon Stanley was running wheel routes with
Speaker 2: nobody within thirty yards and everyone's like they've got a
Speaker 2: weapon in Dejon Stale mcgar or. He just ran up
Speaker 2: the field because nobody was around. But let me go here.
Speaker 2: We got a few minutes left. Because the good news
Speaker 2: is this, Okay, the defense has not necessarily been as
Speaker 2: dominant as we're used to, but we're used to one
Speaker 2: of the best defenses in the western and west of
Speaker 2: the Mississippi. But they're still second in total d in
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve. They're fourth and rushing fifth and passing third.
Speaker 2: In defensive efficiency. But here's where they struggle, which I
Speaker 2: think is odd based off of who this program is.
Speaker 2: They're ninth in sacks, they're sixteenth in fumbles forced, thirteenth
Speaker 2: fourteenth excuse me, and fumble's recovered, and ninth in interceptions,
Speaker 2: so twenty to twenty. They stopped the run, they're good
Speaker 2: against the pass their second overall defense. They're not turning
Speaker 2: the other team over, and they're not pressuring the quarterback.
Speaker 2: That's usually been the calling card for Wit and the
Speaker 2: utes exactly, even on special teams and the defense have
Speaker 2: usually caused havoc and given a lease I mean a
Speaker 2: touchdown and set the utes up for a field goal opportunity,
Speaker 2: it'll probably again you have to go back and look
Speaker 2: at the years under Whit, but I mean ten twelve
Speaker 2: points a game that's been manufactured by special teams and
Speaker 2: the defense. But if we operate off the premise that
Speaker 2: the defense is still good, and they get Connor O'Toole back,
Speaker 2: and you know Karente played last week, and they get
Speaker 2: you know, all their pieces back on defense, and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to be optimistic here because you know, in their losses,
Speaker 2: if they scored more than twenty seven points they get
Speaker 2: a win. I mean, Arizona scored twenty three, Arizona scored
Speaker 2: twenty seven, tic you scored thirteen. So we don't need
Speaker 2: Isaac to come in here and be camera rising from
Speaker 2: two years ago. If we operate off the premise score
Speaker 2: and that the defense is still really good generally speaking,
Speaker 2: what does the offense have to look like just to
Speaker 2: give him a chance the rest of the way.
Speaker 3: Stay inside yourself and don't try to do things you
Speaker 3: can't do. Yeah, and you know, it reminds me of
Speaker 3: that scene in the movie Hitch. You remember that when
Speaker 3: I know you're a big.
Speaker 2: Will Horrible movie Will Smith when he had to get
Speaker 2: the bendrill on his eye Will swollen. Okay, why would
Speaker 2: you bring up Hitch.
Speaker 3: Because this is one of my worst analogies. But I'll
Speaker 3: be Hitch is telling Kevin James, Yeah, when he's teaching
Speaker 3: them to ants how to dance, he says, this is
Speaker 3: where you live, right here, right here from shoulders shoulder.
Speaker 3: You don't do all that stuff flopping around, spinning around,
Speaker 3: So no, you stay right here. That's what the used
Speaker 3: have to do. Stay right here, get back to basics.
Speaker 3: And as far as the turnovers, goes water.
Speaker 2: This is probably this is.
Speaker 3: One confused the offense and what what what? What has
Speaker 3: Kyle Wheneham built his program on one word that everybody
Speaker 3: thinks of when they think of Utah football.
Speaker 2: Strategic It's from a senthoul skin physicality.
Speaker 3: Hit the living snot out of the guys. Then guys
Speaker 3: start to fumble. Then they started hearing steps like you said,
Speaker 3: get some sacks, sack of Lake City right, knock the ball,
Speaker 3: loose play like Utah plays everything I thought Utah would be.
Speaker 2: B y U is Yes, I was just gonna say Spencer.
Speaker 2: In my mind, the opportunistic hits and the way the
Speaker 2: bull jumps back into the hands of Byu is what
Speaker 2: Utah has been able to do for years, and they
Speaker 2: have not been able to do that this year. Stay
Speaker 2: right here, Stay right here. This is where you live.
Speaker 2: We got right right here. Gordon is currently holding his
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Speaker 2: this probably squeeze last thing real quick. We got to
Speaker 2: go Utah.
Speaker 3: BYU.
Speaker 2: Who wins if it's tomorrow on a neutral field.
Speaker 3: On a neutral field. I have to go with by justint.
Speaker 2: I would I would totally agree at this point in time. Yeah,
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