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<v Speaker 1>For fifteen years, the Big Show dominated the Utah sports

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<v Speaker 1>talk airwaves. First it was Craig Bowler, Jack and Gordon Monson,

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<v Speaker 1>followed by Spence Check its in Monson. Now all three

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<v Speaker 1>are reunited on the Drive. It's time for the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Show Hour on the Drive at Spence check its exclusively

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<v Speaker 1>on ESPN seven hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>All I can really say is when you live right

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<v Speaker 2>on and off the microphone, magic happens. And we have

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<v Speaker 2>Craig Bowler, Jack and Gordon Monson live in studio together

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time, I don't know in a few months.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had some scheduling issues, but good to see you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for I've been here, he's been here. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been here, you know, vice versa. But reunited and it

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<v Speaker 2>feels so good. You're right over there. Sorry, there you go. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I've missed you. Yeah, I haven't seen you. Spence, We've talked,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, here we go. Man, one game down,

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<v Speaker 2>eighty one to go for the Jazz Hockey has lit

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<v Speaker 2>this city in the region on fire. A little four

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<v Speaker 2>to zero, you know, got blanked by Ottawa. That'll happen.

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<v Speaker 2>They're young, but it's good to see you guys brought

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<v Speaker 2>to you by Big o' tires as always. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>great to have you in studio, and we will start

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<v Speaker 2>with some jazz and then we'll go over to college football.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bowler I said, when you walked in, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, if it's not the biggest topic for me currently,

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<v Speaker 2>it's certainly one of them is. So the jazz tell

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<v Speaker 2>us this is about development, right, that's what they say. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so this is about young players. It's about development. If

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<v Speaker 2>their developmental system is working correctly, year three, Walker should

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<v Speaker 2>look better. If it's not, you know, well, Walker is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be like a case study for development under

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<v Speaker 2>this new regime because he's the third year guy. He

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<v Speaker 2>was really good last night. He was let's start with Walker.

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<v Speaker 2>What'd you see? You know? I saw confidence. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>a stronger, more tenacious rebounder. I saw a shot blocker

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<v Speaker 2>who believes, you know, he's really good at the rim

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<v Speaker 2>obviously left hand with the shot blocks. I just saw

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<v Speaker 2>a stronger Walker Kessler. I did a good talk with

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<v Speaker 2>him in Portland, and just in the verbiage that he

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<v Speaker 2>and I discussed, I mean, he was much more mature

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<v Speaker 2>and look, I tried to go back and think to myself,

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<v Speaker 2>what was I like? Who was I at twenty and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one and twenty two? Probably not that cool a dude.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just was trying to get through college

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<v Speaker 2>and you were, you know, but at this level to

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<v Speaker 2>be with this much responsibility and trying to rebound from

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<v Speaker 2>last year. He started twenty two game spence in Gordo,

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<v Speaker 2>and he talked to me a lot about the arm injury,

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<v Speaker 2>how much that hampered him more than maybe some people realized,

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<v Speaker 2>because he does use his left hand dominant with with

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<v Speaker 2>shot blocking. But I liked his approach. I just liked

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<v Speaker 2>his court presence last night. I liked the fact he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't glance at the bench. I thought he ran the

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<v Speaker 2>lore and was able to be a participant on defense

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<v Speaker 2>or offensive rebounds. And you know, all the above equates

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<v Speaker 2>into what a third year pro ought to be. It's

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<v Speaker 2>one game sample, guys, but you know what, it's something

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<v Speaker 2>to look on and they're they're collecting data points and

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<v Speaker 2>all these players this year to see, you know, who

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<v Speaker 2>they are, what they will become, at least what the

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<v Speaker 2>data tells them. In the league that is obsessed with

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<v Speaker 2>numbers and data. Sloan used to say, hell, just go

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<v Speaker 2>out there and play. You know, I can tell who's

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<v Speaker 2>good and who's not. But data is everything in this league,

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<v Speaker 2>on the minuture, on the floor and what you do.

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<v Speaker 2>And and I just liked what I saw last night

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<v Speaker 2>compared to what we ended the season on last season. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a spark or two spence at the end of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but this this was a good start, so Gordon. Last

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<v Speaker 2>year they well and last night they were also a

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<v Speaker 2>siev Defensively, We'll get there. It's not a good defensive team.

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<v Speaker 2>But if Walker and continue to evolve. Now, Memphis was

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<v Speaker 2>really good at the rim, but but Walker had five

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<v Speaker 2>block shots himself. I think they were sixteen of seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>finishing at the rim. If he can evolve and just

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<v Speaker 2>he's not going to be Rudy. I heard people say like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>he's better than He's not better than Rudy rookie year,

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<v Speaker 2>give me a break, Like he has a marathon to

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<v Speaker 2>go before he even lives in the same cul de sac.

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<v Speaker 2>But what would it do for the defense if Walker

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<v Speaker 2>can be what he was last night?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, And that's one of the things I noticed

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<v Speaker 3>what Will Hardy said after the game. He said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he played well defensively in the first half. In the

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<v Speaker 3>second half, the coach saw some things where Walker needs

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<v Speaker 3>to improve. Well, or you said it was just one game,

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<v Speaker 3>But Spencer, I'm telling you, the things that I saw

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<v Speaker 3>out of him look like they had some permanence to him.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, you know, the strength, the aggression, the aggression,

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<v Speaker 3>the you know, the going to the hoop. I just

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I think that's a guy who That

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<v Speaker 3>was the good news last night. As far as I

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<v Speaker 3>was concerned with the development. Another thing I liked and

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<v Speaker 3>Bowler you know this, and so do you spent the Jazz.

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<v Speaker 3>I like the honesty of the Jazz after the game.

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<v Speaker 3>They know what's going on here. Will Hardy knows what's

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<v Speaker 3>happening here, and they all admit it that this is

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<v Speaker 3>about development. However, they depend on those those established players

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<v Speaker 3>to get the you know, get get the Jazz back

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<v Speaker 3>in the game and give them a chance to win.

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<v Speaker 3>And that that gap between the young guys not contributing

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<v Speaker 3>as much, well except for Kessler and uh Agus Hendrix

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<v Speaker 3>had at second half. Yeah, yeah, but you know, four

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<v Speaker 3>seven three or five from three, I mean that's showing

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<v Speaker 3>some stuff. But somehow they have to get those guys

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<v Speaker 3>to contribute all the time or as often as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>And Kiante George last night just just struggled.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll get to the bad. Let's let's let's stay

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<v Speaker 2>in the good for a second and then we'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to the bad. Because Kiante was bad turnovers leading to runouts,

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<v Speaker 2>leading to transition points. I mean, I'm sure Will's frustrated.

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<v Speaker 2>But Gordon said a couple of things about Walker Craig

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<v Speaker 2>that I think need to be underscored. And before the

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<v Speaker 2>game you walk down to the court, he's looking you

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<v Speaker 2>see Zach e Edi Like that dude is a mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>He's Mark Eaton and Walker somebody he didn't get pushed

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<v Speaker 2>off his spot by Zach Okay. Second of all, Gordon

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<v Speaker 2>talked about attacking the basket. No more finger rolls, You're

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<v Speaker 2>seven feet dunk the ball. He did it lastly, as

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<v Speaker 2>you referenced the screen setting last night, like that's the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that go bears a lead at the Walker has

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<v Speaker 2>been bad at and he was much better last night.

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<v Speaker 2>Those three things really stood out. Offensive rebounds, he had six.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the fact he kept the ball above his

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<v Speaker 2>head and no one took it.

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<v Speaker 3>Away.

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<v Speaker 2>That meant to me that he has more strength in

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<v Speaker 2>his hands in four arms where he can wrestle the

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<v Speaker 2>ball down second chance opportunities at least on occasion. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, I thought he was just more engaged.

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<v Speaker 2>And when he gets off to good starts like you

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<v Speaker 2>did last night, he runs the floor better and the

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<v Speaker 2>reward is on both ends. He can run and roll,

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<v Speaker 2>he can go back on deep block a shot. He's

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<v Speaker 2>good like Rudy in a way where he can come

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<v Speaker 2>out and show on the perimeter and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>basically run back and help protect painter or baseline. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we'll get better at that, I really do. But

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<v Speaker 2>Rudy has so much length that he can run out

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<v Speaker 2>and show and then you know, go down and protect baseline.

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<v Speaker 2>But now, Walker was a real positive last night, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Will said one of the things Bowler and I thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was interesting. He talked about Kessler rediscovering some joy.

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<v Speaker 2>He brought that up. That's why I wanted to go next.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, we've always saw, yes we have.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys are like twins.

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<v Speaker 3>You saw you saw when when the fans got the.

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<v Speaker 2>Chickens better looking. Though I'm not sure he is. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>stop that, but you know, I mean, he.

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<v Speaker 3>Was cheering from the sideline and carrying on. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, maybe that's just the old man sentimentality in me,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'd like to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what he was down last year, Let's be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>call it what it is. He lost every bit of confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>The injury put him in a hole. You know. Here,

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<v Speaker 2>here's something else. He kind of told me that really

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<v Speaker 2>he's not looking, if any at social media. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that he realizes that he cannot live in a world

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<v Speaker 2>of negativity for all of us, right, And I totally agree,

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<v Speaker 2>because it can absorb you, it can destroy you, it

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<v Speaker 2>can depress you. And I think for a young player

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<v Speaker 2>trying to re establish and find himself, he did himself

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<v Speaker 2>a hell of a favor just to focus on the

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<v Speaker 2>game and Gordon and Spence to your point, he's having fun.

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<v Speaker 2>He finds a spark again, right, and he's not, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>half motoring it down the floor. And his glances to

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<v Speaker 2>Will are nothing of what they were his rookie season.

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<v Speaker 2>Who by the way, he busted. Maybe that was the

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<v Speaker 2>worst case because he had such a great rookie season

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<v Speaker 2>that the second year the expectations were even higher and

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<v Speaker 2>then it didn't happen. The sophomore slump, I guess comes

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<v Speaker 2>into play, but I'm really glad that he jumped down

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<v Speaker 2>at least in one game. That's a great way to

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<v Speaker 2>start a season. I'll tell you that eighty one to go.

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<v Speaker 2>But gosh, Spencer right, if he can give you those

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<v Speaker 2>type of numbers, he's a double double guy, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's at least a three block shot guy per night.

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<v Speaker 2>So my my twin also referenced. So I'm like Arnold

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<v Speaker 2>Schwarzenegger and Gordon's yeah, very movie. But my twin brought

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<v Speaker 2>up also Taylor. I want to talk about Taylor Hendricks

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<v Speaker 2>because look, there are a lot of people that are

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<v Speaker 2>out on him. You know, the summer league thing wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>great this year, and he looked a little bit lost

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<v Speaker 2>at times last year. I'm not one of those people.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Jazz maximized that draft slot. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he was the best talent available last year at that slot.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was talking to Smitty about this and then

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<v Speaker 2>Gordy at the game last night. Taylor's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>pop in a way where he's gonna have thirty five

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<v Speaker 2>or forty one night like Donovan's rookie year, he goes

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<v Speaker 2>for forty against the Pelicans, where I was like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>what is this real? It turns out that it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor demands a little bit more of a nuanced analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>So like the play where Memphis goes one four flat,

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<v Speaker 2>Jaw has the ball at the top of the key

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<v Speaker 2>and Taylor has him and joh tries to shake him

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<v Speaker 2>and take a step back jumper and Taylor blocks the shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of how bad they're defense, Because of how bad

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<v Speaker 2>they are defensively, they need a defensive wing that can

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<v Speaker 2>match up with other wings. I think that can be Taylor.

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<v Speaker 2>And if to Gordon's point, if he can just knock

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<v Speaker 2>down open corner threes, that's a win, you know, because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think this is not a good isolation team.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not gonna throw out to Taylor and say go

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<v Speaker 2>make a play. If he can continue to use his measurables,

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<v Speaker 2>he does look bigger and stronger match up against a

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<v Speaker 2>Durant or whoever's on the other team. As a great

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<v Speaker 2>dominant offensive wing, knock down some open shots, that's a win.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought Taylor looked really good last year.

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<v Speaker 3>Be useful, Yeah, I mean that's what these young guys

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<v Speaker 2>You are you know what I think upstairs is where

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<v Speaker 2>of a dent and especially with him separates, he loses

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<v Speaker 2>focus at times, right right, And you know he was

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<v Speaker 2>roll the dice. Danny liked what he saw on Justin

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<v Speaker 2>as well. He had a slow start last night. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was probably opening night second year jitters because

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<v Speaker 2>he knows that the young guys understand there's pressure. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't play in this league without it. And he's

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<v Speaker 2>being dependent, right, And you know what, he's gonna play

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<v Speaker 2>post most likely on every They're gonna stick him on

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<v Speaker 2>every tough offensive player that hits the floor home er

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<v Speaker 2>second half and started hitting threes, spread the floor. And

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<v Speaker 2>I've always said, man, the power of the three is real.

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<v Speaker 2>Look what happened in the first half seventeen down because

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<v Speaker 2>of what Memphis was able to do with a three

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<v Speaker 2>point shot. Joh got to the rim. But then the

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<v Speaker 2>Jazz started hitting shots. It sounds it sounds simple, but

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<v Speaker 2>they were more patient and some of the threes really

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<v Speaker 2>helped bring that club back. And if it wasn't for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of late misfree throws, they may have won

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<v Speaker 3>I got a question for you guys. So I know

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<v Speaker 3>you were more offensive. Mind as a player yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Get the shots up, So what do you have to do?

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<v Speaker 3>But what is it going to take defensively to get

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<v Speaker 3>this team to be able to get big stops when

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<v Speaker 3>they need it? I mean, if Hendrix can, can he

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<v Speaker 3>develop into a stopper? Is it a matter of getting

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<v Speaker 2>We last night I saw two things and Craig, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>certainly see it to you here. I do think Taylor

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<v Speaker 2>comp thing. We've talked about this for years because I

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<v Speaker 2>think comps put an idea in a fans mind and

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<v Speaker 2>if a player never becomes that it's like what you

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<v Speaker 2>were supposed to be that player. I heard a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of Pascal Siakam for Taylor Hendrix. Siakam's awesome, He's an

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<v Speaker 2>All Star, Like, let's pump the brakes a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But if Taylor can play a little with a little

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<v Speaker 2>Jade McDaniels from Minnesota, right, who is a defensive wing

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<v Speaker 2>who can score a little bit, but he's mostly a knockdown,

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<v Speaker 2>spot up shooter, doesn't do much off the dribble. But

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<v Speaker 2>last night, two things. It's point of attack defense, it's

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<v Speaker 2>on ball defense, and I'm talking to you Kyante, like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not fair to judge anybody who's trying to guard

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<v Speaker 2>John Morant. But this was the issue with Caianty last year.

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<v Speaker 2>So everybody's talking about make or miss on offense. Kiante

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<v Speaker 2>point of attack defense. And then it's turnovers that lead

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<v Speaker 2>to runouts. Right, So they were last in transition defense

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<v Speaker 2>last year, but it was because of their turnovers. And

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<v Speaker 2>with stay with Clay and Steph and Durant were like

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<v Speaker 2>third to last in the league in turnovers. You'd hear broadcast,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be like, well, turnovers don't matter. They don't matter

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<v Speaker 2>if you have Durant and Steph and Clay. They matter

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<v Speaker 2>if you have Keyante and sex Like and Sexton like

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<v Speaker 2>last night, it was turnovers to transition points and point

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<v Speaker 2>of attack defense. To me, Craig, those are the two

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<v Speaker 2>defensive issues, right then, go I mean turnovers, they allowed

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four points. Here's the other problem. When you don't

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<v Speaker 2>hit threes, which was the case in the first half,

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<v Speaker 2>that ball takes a wicked bounce. Now it can come long.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm short, and so the runout is there. And unless

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<v Speaker 2>you just turn after the shots released and bust tailed

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<v Speaker 2>down the floor, it's just a gimme. That's where the

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<v Speaker 2>Jazz had issues last year as well, missshots, runouts, light

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<v Speaker 2>ball turnovers where they have no chance to get back

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<v Speaker 2>on defense. And you know, Will made an interesting point.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, Look, this league isn't perfect. Each team's going

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<v Speaker 2>to have a couple of minutes where they they lose

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<v Speaker 2>focus and they may allow a six to zero eight

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<v Speaker 2>zero run the challenge for the jazz, and he said

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<v Speaker 2>this in his pregame presser last night, is that you

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<v Speaker 2>can't extend it to eight minutes of hell right, he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't say hell, I did, But but think about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Where you're going to see improvement for the jazz is

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<v Speaker 2>the hiccup. But then they're able to put it and

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<v Speaker 2>put the fire out. And you know why last night

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<v Speaker 2>down seventeen, there were moments where they ran back and

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<v Speaker 2>they got a little tougher defensively. I like the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that John Collins was showing the guys how to play

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<v Speaker 2>Zach Zach edie and you know what, get a little

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes. Yeah, I'm not sure, you know what. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see enough of him. I talked to him on

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<v Speaker 2>the floor last night, guys, and I tell you I

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<v Speaker 2>was blown away. I said, hey, man, you got to

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe, I just know that's it interesting the most he's

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<v Speaker 3>I know one thing in my later years. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>All right, moving on? Uh we do have we probably

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<v Speaker 2>chew on that. Yeah, okay, all right, okay, moving on. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I apologize that was it wasn't your worst. I believe

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<v Speaker 3>Back compliment it wasn't your worst, which tells you how

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<v Speaker 3>bad the worst was.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll try to come up with a couple of examples.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we sigt off, we probably have gone too

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<v Speaker 2>long without talking about marketing who just like continues to

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<v Speaker 2>raise his game to another level. If you're the Golden

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<v Speaker 2>State Warriors and you're watching Lowry, I mean, because they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to waste the final few years of steps prime.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't have a good enough team. They're probably the

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<v Speaker 2>Night in the West. Yeah and look there, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like they're a bad team. But I would

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<v Speaker 2>venture to guess there may not be another game all

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<v Speaker 2>year where an NBA player scores thirty five points and

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<v Speaker 2>takes fifteen shots. That's nuts. Got to the line, knocked

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<v Speaker 2>down thirteen to fourteen, four of seven from three in

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<v Speaker 2>the second half. Memphis was keen on him and they

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't do a thing. He did whatever he wanted last night.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 3>What would have taken for the Warriors to entice the

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<v Speaker 3>Jazz into that deal? What? What did they not offer

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<v Speaker 3>that the Jazz wanted bowler?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any insight there, because I really don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's the young guard? Is it Pajemski? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the report is the Jazz, but I can't believe that

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<v Speaker 2>that's true. The Golden Stay was like, no, we are

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<v Speaker 2>not trading for Lowry because you want Brandon Pajemski. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>if that was the hill you died on, you died

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<v Speaker 2>on the wrong hill. He's a fine young player, but

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<v Speaker 2>Larry is he's top shelf man. He's really good.

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<v Speaker 3>And the thing about Larry is that it's not like

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<v Speaker 3>a guy who's just taking advantage of playing on what

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<v Speaker 3>might be a bad team, Like you said, fifteen shots,

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<v Speaker 3>it's nuts. I mean he can do that. He could

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<v Speaker 3>do that for the Warriors and still make room for

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<v Speaker 3>the other guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My guess is Danny probably said, look, if you

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<v Speaker 2>want Lowry, then go look at what I got for

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<v Speaker 2>Donovan and go Bear and let me know if you

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<v Speaker 2>can match that, because I can't believe that Pajemski was

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<v Speaker 2>the breaking point. That makes no sense to me. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, Curry's gone and Draymond's declined continues. Golden

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<v Speaker 3>Tea last night.

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<v Speaker 2>And so what happens is if the Jazz would have

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<v Speaker 2>owned some of those picks, they may have been pretty

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<v Speaker 2>valuable and high level, right, But I think the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>line is when discussed, Lowry may have quelled that conversation himself.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he actually wanted to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>If you said that part, you said that five times

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<v Speaker 3>last night, and I think it really resonates with Jazz fan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, how about that he wants to be here?

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<v Speaker 2>And what I saw last night is that during the

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<v Speaker 2>preseason Spence and Gordo, I thought he struggled with double

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<v Speaker 2>teams and even the third guy coming around the edge

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<v Speaker 2>when he turned his head and put the ball down

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<v Speaker 2>around his waist, he would turn the ball over with

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<v Speaker 2>a slap. They would just kind of slap it out

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<v Speaker 2>of his hands and it frustrated him. But I thought

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<v Speaker 2>he was stronger with the ball last night and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>face the basket a little bit more instead of turning sideways,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think the Jazz are trying to obviously wreck.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, let's just say remind him, man, he's still

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<v Speaker 2>a strong guy. He put on weight too, and muscle,

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<v Speaker 2>and you see it in the in the biceps. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a strong guy. And can he keep the weight on?

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<v Speaker 2>As Big t always says, it's it's not only the weight,

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<v Speaker 2>but can you keep the strength that comes with some

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<v Speaker 2>of that? And that's the important part for for Marketing

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<v Speaker 2>and for Walker too, and I think it's also for Taylor.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, grow into your bodies and you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>part of that maturity process. But I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of it's stillygo is upstairs between the years, understanding what

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<v Speaker 2>you need to do and don't play outside yourself. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's that holds true for Keante. Look have you

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<v Speaker 2>got some good handles? Okay, you don't have to show

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<v Speaker 2>it every time go down, be effective, be an impact

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<v Speaker 2>and play smart and just don't try to go outside

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<v Speaker 2>the box. In your second year in the in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 2>this team needs, you know, someone to run the show.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's got to be another focal point

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow night and beyond as you're you know, as the

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<v Speaker 2>season continues. Last thing here, then we'll catch your break

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<v Speaker 2>to do college football coming up next. I wondered aloud

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday on the show because the xanak Age Ryan Smith

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to see. But ultimately it's up to the

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<v Speaker 2>interesting stat to me last night, Patty Mills in sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>minutes didn't take one shot, he didn't take one free throw,

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<v Speaker 2>He had one assist, but they were plus ten and

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen minutes when Patty was on the floor and Keante

419
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<v Speaker 2>was off. Because when Patty was on the floor, the

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<v Speaker 2>ball started to move. He knows what to do, you know, obvious,

421
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<v Speaker 2>he's thirty six, He's been doing this for twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just have to wonder if Will is going

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<v Speaker 2>to have the self control to continue to allow Keyante

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<v Speaker 2>to screw up and say he's our guy. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to let him learn through it, or does he get

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<v Speaker 2>so frustrated say I know it pops a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>better with Patty. Can Patty give me another five ten

428
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<v Speaker 2>minutes a night. I don't know how that's going to look.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he will stay with Kant unless it gets

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<v Speaker 3>really bad. If it gets really bad. Now, now you're

431
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<v Speaker 3>not doing the kid any favors by having you know, uh,

432
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<v Speaker 3>who was the draft pick that Jazz said that they

433
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<v Speaker 3>moved up for that guard forgetting his name right now?

434
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<v Speaker 3>Will no, no no. After that, they moved up Trey Burke.

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<v Speaker 3>Trey Burke, you know That's what I mean. They they

436
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<v Speaker 3>gave him time and it just never came around. And

437
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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying Keante is is Trey, but I mean

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<v Speaker 3>at some point, Bowler the coach has to say, Okay,

439
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<v Speaker 3>at this point, for the good of the other guys,

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta I gotta go with the guy who's going

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<v Speaker 3>to smooth things.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of the famous lines in Star Wars. Is

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<v Speaker 2>it Yoda who says no, there is another? So you

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<v Speaker 2>forgot about Callier who's out with the hamstring A little

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<v Speaker 2>Yoda on a Thursday? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 3>Correct? I like that. There is no try, There is

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<v Speaker 3>no try.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no try. But you know, he intrigues me

449
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<v Speaker 2>more of kind of a bulldog type of point. Are

450
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<v Speaker 2>a little more physical, can get in the paint a

451
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<v Speaker 2>little bit more. He's got the hamstring. The report today

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<v Speaker 2>from the Jazz that was made public that they are

453
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<v Speaker 2>going to reevaluate him in ten days, but he is

454
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<v Speaker 2>going to be on the floor trying to work himself

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<v Speaker 2>back in. They want to be careful. Hamstrings can be

456
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<v Speaker 2>pretty wicked and come back on a regular basis. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think that's why Patty's here is in this

458
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<v Speaker 2>particular case that an injury pops just like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>Patty Mills becomes an important fact and your stat number

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<v Speaker 2>is exactly who he is and why he will brought

461
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<v Speaker 2>him here. Just calm it down, man, Just run it,

462
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<v Speaker 2>run the show, and and and show the ball, move

463
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<v Speaker 2>the ball. Yeah. So, but I'm anxious to see Callier.

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<v Speaker 2>H Yeah, he's out there. Yeah, I play with Bronnie.

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<v Speaker 2>I talked to him. In the beginning of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>It was chaos at USC You can imagine with with

467
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<v Speaker 2>Bronni there. Everyone the press was always saying, can oh,

468
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<v Speaker 2>but Lebron's gonna show up and it just was constant.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you know, just an uncomfortable place that really kind

470
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<v Speaker 2>of I think took him out of his game and

471
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<v Speaker 2>he's hoping he can find it here. And last thing

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<v Speaker 2>on Callier. Unlike Keante, he's always played the position. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he's always been a league guard, Kiante. This is new

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<v Speaker 2>for him. He's learning, so we'll see, all right, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>jazz stuff NBA basketballs. Move over to some college football,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's start out with the good. Okay, So, ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, at this point in the season, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>six seven games in, I thought Utah football would be undefeated,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe one loss. I thought the offense would be high powered.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought the defense would make havoc plays and create turnovers.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought the home stadium advantage would be one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best in the West, because it has been. All

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<v Speaker 2>of that is happening about forty miles as the crow

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<v Speaker 2>flies down there, and none of it's happening up here.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's start with BYU Gordon, who, just to put

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<v Speaker 2>it mildly, has had good fortune. We'll just say that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm still wondering what it looks like if they

529
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<v Speaker 2>play a really good team where nothing weird happens. Not

530
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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirty eight yard park at Kingston, punt return,

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<v Speaker 2>not a scoop and score, not the chaos that seems

532
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<v Speaker 2>to have happened. But the bottom line is the bottom line.

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<v Speaker 2>You survive in advance. They're seven and zero. How good

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<v Speaker 2>you think BYU is?

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're really good? And this is I look

536
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<v Speaker 3>at the way a team handles itself, how the teammates

537
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<v Speaker 3>look at each other and what's happening. Obviously, when you're winning,

538
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<v Speaker 3>it's easier to be that way, but I think there

539
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<v Speaker 3>is something special happening with this team. You talk about

540
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<v Speaker 3>weird things happening. Well, BYU force some of those turnovers,

541
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<v Speaker 3>not all of them. Someone that is scoop and score.

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<v Speaker 3>That's thank you very much, right, But you saw the

543
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<v Speaker 3>interceptions and even when Jake had some problems, you know

544
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<v Speaker 3>BYU would turn the ball, would get the ball back

545
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<v Speaker 3>by forcing a turnover or getting one anyway. So I

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<v Speaker 3>guess the bottom line is Spence, Yes, this team is good.

547
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<v Speaker 3>They did not play well against Oklahoma State. They made

548
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<v Speaker 3>a lot of mistakes. Klanne was ticked off afterwards that

549
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<v Speaker 3>they didn't play up to what his expectation was and

550
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<v Speaker 3>they still won. So what does that say?

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<v Speaker 2>Good teams find a way. That's the old cliche, But

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're opportunistic and you said it. I mean

553
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<v Speaker 2>they forced some of these turnovers, but they've also been

554
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<v Speaker 2>in the right position. A case state comes to mind,

555
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<v Speaker 2>by the way, and it doesn't in that minute fifteen span.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a perfect storm. If he was, it was

557
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<v Speaker 2>man at floodgates, just you know, a tsunami, what may,

558
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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to call it, but you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you are given that opportunity, good teams will take advantage.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly what went down, and that's what they

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<v Speaker 2>continue to do. Jake, I think is a is a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that has a ton of confidence. He can throw

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<v Speaker 2>the middle ball really well. Seems to be a much

564
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<v Speaker 2>more what's the word I want to use, polished quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>At times, you know, they're still hiccups, right, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just think he feels like he's in that position where

567
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<v Speaker 2>he belongs. Kilane, he told you, Gordo multiple times, Man,

568
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<v Speaker 2>we're good and that was in camp and they've proven that. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting that they're an underdog this week at seven and.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh why because they didn't stop the run against Oillclomba

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<v Speaker 3>State and u c F. They had three hundred and

572
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<v Speaker 3>fifty rushing arms last week.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they did in Iowa State, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Is one of the best defenses in the country, supposedly.

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<v Speaker 2>Eleventh ranked, and spend time with you, I've figured you'd

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<v Speaker 2>flip it that even Utah would probably be a top

577
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<v Speaker 2>maybe six rank sixth right now up there, right, Utah

578
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<v Speaker 2>would be clean. Yeah, and BYU is running the table

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<v Speaker 2>at seven oh, eleventh ranked in the country, but a

580
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<v Speaker 2>two point underdog. This will be interesting to see how

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<v Speaker 2>they do it, U ce F. And you're right about

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<v Speaker 2>the ground game. That's you know, if you can that's

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<v Speaker 2>what every coach says, what they say to you, Gordo, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>if we can we can establish the run or stop

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<v Speaker 2>the run, stop her, or establish and not turn the

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<v Speaker 2>ball over and play, you know, sixty minutes football, We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to win. I got a football coach from like

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<v Speaker 2>a Western movie or which coaches that's John Wayne.

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<v Speaker 3>I like you.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that John Wayne coach here. Yeah what John Wayne?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I do? Uh Kennedy better than John Wayne. What

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<v Speaker 2>about John Wayne? As Kennedy? My brother Bobby was a

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<v Speaker 2>good man. Try to stop it's a wall. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Phil Grumm, I'm not going to hit you. The hell

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard I've heard Morgan Scally say a thousand times.

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<v Speaker 3>I've heard Colon say a thousand times. Priority number one,

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<v Speaker 3>stop the run, because if you can do that, then

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<v Speaker 3>you can make a team one handed. And they they

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<v Speaker 3>really struggled in that where they hadn't been struggling in

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<v Speaker 3>that regard, but against Oklahoma State they did. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>what UCF does. They have a new quarterback who I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know whether he's he can really hurt the Googers

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<v Speaker 3>throwing the ball, but they're gonna have to get that

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<v Speaker 3>ground game, if not stopped, at least slowed. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>The most impressive thing for me about BYU is they

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<v Speaker 2>they can bring whatever that game mandate. So right now,

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<v Speaker 2>like your Chiefs, you know it doesn't Mahomes does not

610
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<v Speaker 2>air it out anymore. Like he's one of the worst

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<v Speaker 2>fantasy football quarterbacks in the NFL. It's a true thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You could actually drop him from your team and be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>But it doesn't matter. Like whatever Andy Reid needs to

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<v Speaker 2>do to put the Chiefs in position to win, they

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<v Speaker 2>do it. They can beat you three zero, they can

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<v Speaker 2>beat you thirty one to twenty eight. Now they got

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<v Speaker 2>a great leg in butker Kelsey you know, don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what's about. But Mahomes just figures it out. Does Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's like a puzzle. It just figures it out.

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<v Speaker 2>And BYU's doing that, they're finding ways to win. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>outside pocket picking up a crucial first down on third

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00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:08.160
<v Speaker 2>and long, while Mahomes does that constantly, Jake can get

623
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:12.359
<v Speaker 2>out and there's a lot of similarities there. But the

624
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.559
<v Speaker 2>Chiefs have been also opportunistic. They have not played great

625
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.559
<v Speaker 2>football the last couple of weeks much better. The way

626
00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.160
<v Speaker 2>they started this season looked like they were lethargic and

627
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 2>thought someone's going to give him a third ring in

628
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>a row. Not the case in the National Football League.

629
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 2>And you got a hungry BYU team that doesn't like

630
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:30.359
<v Speaker 2>to be told they're no good, and they go out

631
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.160
<v Speaker 2>and prove everybody they're they're wrong. Well, and they're on

632
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.599
<v Speaker 2>a roll. They've got confidence that it's hard to find

633
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:38.799
<v Speaker 2>and to maintain that.

634
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:41.279
<v Speaker 3>They think they're going to win. And I was very

635
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:45.279
<v Speaker 3>curious to see how Jake Rutzlaft would handle that last drive.

636
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.240
<v Speaker 3>What a minute thirteen left. And this is where BYU

637
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:52.759
<v Speaker 3>quarterbacks make their names. Right in these situations, I'm saying

638
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Jake have it in him to do this. He gets

639
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.240
<v Speaker 3>that what that thirty yard game running the ball? He

640
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:02.400
<v Speaker 3>picked up that down that you were referencing Bowler third

641
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:04.440
<v Speaker 3>and eight, I think it was when it may have

642
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:08.319
<v Speaker 3>been fourth down when he hit Downe's fourth down exactly,

643
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.440
<v Speaker 3>and the yeah, and that what to play that was?

644
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.400
<v Speaker 3>And yeah what one yard despair? And then they keep

645
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:16.720
<v Speaker 3>the drive alive and they go down. And then when

646
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:20.759
<v Speaker 3>he drops back and then he sort of double clutched

647
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 3>drop back again, and then moved up and steps up

648
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.839
<v Speaker 3>and drills that ball to Darius Lassiter. And I don't

649
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:31.720
<v Speaker 3>know what Oklahoma State was doing on defense there, but

650
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:34.400
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you this is what they're doing. Lass looks

651
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:38.240
<v Speaker 3>like a real weapon to mesction.

652
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.519
<v Speaker 2>He's an athlete. You know what bothers me in college

653
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:41.920
<v Speaker 2>football and in the NFL.

654
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 3>I hate.

655
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Protecting the lead and getting the wave of how you

656
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.440
<v Speaker 2>even got there. I mean the two minute drill or

657
00:32:50.599 --> 00:32:54.559
<v Speaker 2>the prevent defense that coordinators put on the field. Okay,

658
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:56.519
<v Speaker 2>let's just give up to fifteen and then we'll just

659
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>let the clock run. No, no, no, you know what,

660
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.279
<v Speaker 2>when you lose your middle round and the backers drop

661
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:03.400
<v Speaker 2>back or they play up a little bit and you

662
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:06.039
<v Speaker 2>go underneath, and all of a sudden, you go man

663
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:09.359
<v Speaker 2>coverage and you get busted. I see this all the time.

664
00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Go play your regular set of football on the defensive side.

665
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:16.519
<v Speaker 2>But instead they're afraid to give up the big play.

666
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:19.759
<v Speaker 2>But they give up big chunks at a time and

667
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.119
<v Speaker 2>then allows a big play to happen. That's me. Well,

668
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.680
<v Speaker 2>it's also what back to the Mahomes magic when teams

669
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:27.000
<v Speaker 2>realized he's impossible.

670
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:28.039
<v Speaker 3>There were.

671
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:34.160
<v Speaker 2>When teams realize like he's impossible, they started bumping everybody back,

672
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.240
<v Speaker 2>prevent defense, whatever you want to call it, too deep,

673
00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and so Mahomes has just turned into this little dink

674
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.440
<v Speaker 2>and dunk and dunk. Okay, if I'll final take six

675
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.240
<v Speaker 2>yards here in four yards here, and we'll just keep

676
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:46.920
<v Speaker 2>moving the chains like he's they're not playing the way

677
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.000
<v Speaker 2>that made them like the most exciting team in the

678
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 2>NFL when they don't have young was like a young quarterback.

679
00:33:53.599 --> 00:33:56.119
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is they just don't need him because

680
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.079
<v Speaker 2>the bottom line is what it's winning games. And it's

681
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 2>the same thing with Brigham me on Gordon. Whatever the

682
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>game needs, call it fate, call it fortune, call it luck,

683
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:05.680
<v Speaker 2>call it make your own luck, whatever it is. Every

684
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:07.559
<v Speaker 2>single game they have just found a way to get

685
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.039
<v Speaker 2>it done, and you have to tip your cap.

686
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:11.840
<v Speaker 3>This is what I think the result of what happened

687
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:16.800
<v Speaker 3>the other night for BYU is. I think that game

688
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 3>is going to make them better, not worse. I know

689
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:21.920
<v Speaker 3>they showed some weaknesses. They made a lot of mistakes.

690
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:24.519
<v Speaker 3>They gave up the run. That's something that they have

691
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:28.480
<v Speaker 3>to stop, like we talked about earlier, but this team really,

692
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.199
<v Speaker 3>if you believe you're gonna win, you can't achieve if

693
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:36.800
<v Speaker 3>you don't believe. Bowler, I agree, and I am also

694
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:41.639
<v Speaker 3>Ronnie said that, but so did who else said that.

695
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying. I'm trying to think it sounds like a

696
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Johnny Cochran line to me. No, it doesn't fit. You

697
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:46.559
<v Speaker 2>must have quit.

698
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:50.679
<v Speaker 3>Anyway. The point is they believe, they thought, they thought

699
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 3>they were gonna win that game, and the rest of

700
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.840
<v Speaker 3>us are sitting there going all right, does Jake have

701
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 3>it in him to lead this team down the down

702
00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:59.000
<v Speaker 3>the field? Is he? Does he have a little tie

703
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:01.519
<v Speaker 3>depth mirandum? Does he little Steve young anim What does

704
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:03.960
<v Speaker 3>he have in him? Well? I mean that was a

705
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:05.119
<v Speaker 3>pretty sweet.

706
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Ball, it was, and you know, what we're seeing, and

707
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.199
<v Speaker 2>then we'll get to Utah after this. And this shows

708
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>what happens when you can build some momentum a little

709
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>bit like a snowball. I haven't been down there, but

710
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.679
<v Speaker 2>Lavelle Edwards looks like the most rocking spot around. It

711
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:21.519
<v Speaker 2>looks like it did back in the day when b

712
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.199
<v Speaker 2>YU football was the top of the top of the table.

713
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, when you play like this, fans are gonna

714
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:28.000
<v Speaker 2>show up and the game ops are doing a good job.

715
00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 2>Cosmo's Cosmo fire Dancers looks like those folks are having

716
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:33.559
<v Speaker 2>a good old time on Whole Milk and donuts.

717
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:35.760
<v Speaker 3>That's what happens when you're under feet the whole.

718
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Milk and Donuts. I love that lines. I'll tell you Cosmo,

719
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:40.360
<v Speaker 2>by the way, I got to give him some high

720
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:41.800
<v Speaker 2>level cred.

721
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:43.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean jumping down the helicopters or from what was

722
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:44.519
<v Speaker 3>he doing the other?

723
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Like three or four games ago, we had three tables

724
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:49.280
<v Speaker 2>stacked and he was like jumping from one table to another.

725
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Come on, it's it's remarkable. I'm knocking out.

726
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:52.280
<v Speaker 3>Look.

727
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:54.599
<v Speaker 2>I worked at the Disney's Wire World of Sports as

728
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:56.440
<v Speaker 2>an intern in the summer of ninety eight. We had

729
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.719
<v Speaker 2>we had mascot tryouts for the Harlem glow Trotters. Nice

730
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Scott's are weird people. Man, that's a strange folk. Okay,

731
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:09.360
<v Speaker 2>carnies and such, But whoever is Cosmo? Cosmo he did

732
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.039
<v Speaker 2>he did the fire dance right at a couple of

733
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:14.400
<v Speaker 2>us batons or whatever.

734
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:17.079
<v Speaker 3>On watch watch him mix it up with the cougarrets. Yeah,

735
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean he's dancing with them.

736
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Let me take the chance to apologize to any mascots

737
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 2>that are listening to the show. I don't want any

738
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:27.960
<v Speaker 2>angry emails, the look that yeah here they come all right.

739
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.159
<v Speaker 2>With the remaining time, let's talk to you. It's you know,

740
00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:35.199
<v Speaker 2>it's it's such an interesting lesson. And I always say

741
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.440
<v Speaker 2>this like we're just giving you educated guesses. We don't

742
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.760
<v Speaker 2>really know. Charles Barkley has a great line when hej says, Okay,

743
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:43.079
<v Speaker 2>now let's go to the experts, and Charles says, there

744
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:46.559
<v Speaker 2>are no experts already, only God's an expert. Everyone and

745
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:49.400
<v Speaker 2>their dog picked Utah to finish either a top the

746
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Big twelve or in the top three. And there's a

747
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:53.639
<v Speaker 2>case to be made that they're one of the worst

748
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:56.239
<v Speaker 2>teams in the conference. Let me present their offensive numbers,

749
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:59.559
<v Speaker 2>and then we'll talk about coach Ludd total offense. Right now,

750
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Utah fifteenth of sixteen teams, remember sixteen teams the Big Twelve.

751
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.239
<v Speaker 2>I know it doesn't make sense write a letter someone

752
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:08.719
<v Speaker 2>tenth and passing ninth and rushing fourteenth and scoring fourteenth

753
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:11.639
<v Speaker 2>and first downs, fifteenth and third down conversions, thirteenth and

754
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:15.599
<v Speaker 2>fourth down conversions, fourteenth in efficiency, eleventh in red zone,

755
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:18.480
<v Speaker 2>and somehow number one in time of possession, which is

756
00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:21.320
<v Speaker 2>so weird it's crazy. But ultimately that indicates that you're

757
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.599
<v Speaker 2>a bottom three offense in the entire Big twelve. Andy

758
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Ludwig out Mike Bijakian in Gordon will start with you.

759
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:29.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, when you only pick up sixty eight yards on

760
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:32.559
<v Speaker 3>the ground rushing against DCU, you got a problem. You

761
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 3>got a big problem. When Bernard only carries the ball

762
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:38.360
<v Speaker 3>thirteen times. I know he's not the kind of back

763
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:39.880
<v Speaker 3>that you want to give it to him twenty five

764
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.960
<v Speaker 3>times in the game, but that number was way too low.

765
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.519
<v Speaker 3>And knowing Kyle Whittingham the way we do, if you

766
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.079
<v Speaker 3>lose a game and you only pick up sixty eight

767
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:53.559
<v Speaker 3>yards rushing, someone's gonna pay for that. And the second

768
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.199
<v Speaker 3>I heard Kyle Whittingham say, well, we have some tough

769
00:37:56.239 --> 00:37:58.400
<v Speaker 3>decisions to make over the next twenty four to forty

770
00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.039
<v Speaker 3>eight hours, I thought Andy, he loved, was in trouble.

771
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:03.039
<v Speaker 3>That's the first thing that came into my mind. And

772
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.480
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about guyho's been there for ten what five

773
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.760
<v Speaker 3>years now? Yeah? Yeah, I mean a guy who has

774
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:13.119
<v Speaker 3>helped that team win championships and the two.

775
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Thousand and nine Sugar Bowl of that time.

776
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 3>But this has been ugly. I mean, and you said

777
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:21.039
<v Speaker 3>everybody and his dog was picking the youths to win

778
00:38:21.079 --> 00:38:24.480
<v Speaker 3>the conference. If came rising, stayed.

779
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Here, you gorrect That's the key, you know, and Andy

780
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:29.800
<v Speaker 2>knows that too. But also I think some of the criticism,

781
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:33.960
<v Speaker 2>do you simplify his offense to allow Isaac to, let's

782
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.719
<v Speaker 2>just say, at least be productive. I don't know if

783
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:39.039
<v Speaker 2>the young eighteen year olds soon to be nineteen is

784
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:43.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna have that ability, right because Cam had that playbook

785
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.480
<v Speaker 2>in his head back pocket, knew exactly what to do

786
00:38:45.800 --> 00:38:49.039
<v Speaker 2>every time he, you know, took a snap. This will

787
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:54.360
<v Speaker 2>be interesting to see how Isaac responds, how does the

788
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:57.440
<v Speaker 2>O line respond? And I know the defense guys we

789
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:00.440
<v Speaker 2>talked about this before he came on. I mean, Morgan

790
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:03.199
<v Speaker 2>scalley'sd has been living on the field and that just

791
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:07.519
<v Speaker 2>can't continue on just no way, because either injury comes

792
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:09.800
<v Speaker 2>or you're gonna lose some guys and then you have

793
00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:11.800
<v Speaker 2>a you maybe already have a little bit of a

794
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:14.920
<v Speaker 2>split on the team, like hey, guys, you canna help us,

795
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, or we're trying to save your butt every game.

796
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.079
<v Speaker 2>But it's just not happening right now. Run game hurting

797
00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:23.800
<v Speaker 2>and with Cam done for the season. One thing, I

798
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>am glad, and we said this a couple of weeks ago.

799
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:28.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm just glad that Wit just came out and made

800
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.199
<v Speaker 2>it very clear, as did the Jazz, about what the

801
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:34.840
<v Speaker 2>focal point is with the franchise and where they're going

802
00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:38.360
<v Speaker 2>ahead now with Isaac at quarterback. Fans have to know

803
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:40.880
<v Speaker 2>that I agree with you. But look, Isaac is less

804
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.400
<v Speaker 2>than a year removed away from trying to figure out

805
00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Farmington's secondary. He's not gonna like dice up big twelve

806
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:50.800
<v Speaker 2>teams exactly. I think ultimately it's fair to say, for

807
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 2>the second straight year, were you properly prepared in the

808
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.360
<v Speaker 2>instance that your entire franchise goes down? Which happened again,

809
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:01.880
<v Speaker 2>and there are two have thought, all right, so did

810
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.119
<v Speaker 2>they just whiff on sam Hewart because they did go

811
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:05.920
<v Speaker 2>to the portal to find a vet Did they whiff

812
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:10.440
<v Speaker 2>on him? Were there other potential veteran quarterbacks in college

813
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:13.280
<v Speaker 2>football that didn't want to sit beyond Cameron? Or did

814
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 2>you really go get the personnel you needed in the

815
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.559
<v Speaker 2>case that your injury prone quarterback got hurt for the

816
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.000
<v Speaker 2>second straight year. That, to me, as much as anything else,

817
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.159
<v Speaker 2>is why Andy Ludwig is down at the office filing

818
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:24.880
<v Speaker 2>for unemployment.

819
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:28.760
<v Speaker 3>And those coaches are responsible for that obviously, to get

820
00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:31.000
<v Speaker 3>the right guys in place to be able to make

821
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:35.239
<v Speaker 3>good decisions. And they picked Isaac early on and settled

822
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.440
<v Speaker 3>on him almost immediately. Yeah, and so it makes me

823
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 3>wonder if they I don't know, I don't know what

824
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:45.239
<v Speaker 3>Sam Hewart can do in this offense. I'm not sure.

825
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:49.679
<v Speaker 2>But how much has it change under the Jacin Well?

826
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'll tell you one thing, that ground game

827
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.400
<v Speaker 3>is going to become more productive or else I mean.

828
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.400
<v Speaker 2>The interim and Spence I was doing some research on

829
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:02.239
<v Speaker 2>it today, you know, in the sense of his field expertise.

830
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:04.599
<v Speaker 2>He has it in the past he was the senior

831
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:08.679
<v Speaker 2>offensive analyst, but yet still the quarterback coach. He's been

832
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:12.400
<v Speaker 2>to the National Football League as well, with the Buccaneers

833
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 2>as their quarterback coach for four years a few years ago,

834
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:20.360
<v Speaker 2>so he's got quarterback experience coaching, and maybe that helps

835
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:24.000
<v Speaker 2>a young Isaac Wilson. But again, how does that translate

836
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:27.039
<v Speaker 2>to the field. And this week when they're on the

837
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:29.599
<v Speaker 2>road at Houston, by the way, well thir three and

838
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.800
<v Speaker 2>a half point favorites, which was a little surprising. Yep, Utah, Well,

839
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I know it's Houston, yes, but still a road. It's

840
00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:38.599
<v Speaker 2>still the road. The road is not a fun place.

841
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:41.599
<v Speaker 3>The most condemning number from that game the other night,

842
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:47.239
<v Speaker 3>even worse than the sixty eight rushing yards eleven eleven punts,

843
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:50.199
<v Speaker 3>that's right. That tells you they couldn't pick up They

844
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.480
<v Speaker 3>couldn't pick up first downs, let alone and sustained drives.

845
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:56.199
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, that's what was your number in the

846
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 2>red zone and they are eleventh.

847
00:41:58.920 --> 00:41:59.559
<v Speaker 3>I thought it would be.

848
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Worse than that, That's what I thought. I was actually

849
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:02.920
<v Speaker 2>surprised he was that good. But there are eleven because

850
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:05.480
<v Speaker 2>they do kick field goals, which is you can rather

851
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:06.880
<v Speaker 2>have touchdowns, right, yeah.

852
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:10.400
<v Speaker 3>I think their touchdown rate is like forty six in

853
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:13.280
<v Speaker 3>the red zone, and Kyle said they like to keep

854
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:16.519
<v Speaker 3>their goal is seventy at least, of course, And so

855
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:18.800
<v Speaker 3>there you have it, man. I mean, these guys got

856
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:21.519
<v Speaker 3>to get it together. This is, in my opinion, this

857
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.880
<v Speaker 3>is what needs to happen. They need to get in

858
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.760
<v Speaker 3>front of that offensive line and say, look, fellas, it's

859
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:30.199
<v Speaker 3>time to grade some road. You gotta do it. You

860
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:33.519
<v Speaker 3>gotta move. You got to create space for this run

861
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:36.760
<v Speaker 3>game so that we have that as a base. And

862
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:41.400
<v Speaker 3>then from there they can move forward with allowing if

863
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:46.039
<v Speaker 3>it's Isaac Wilson, allowing him to do some little simple throws,

864
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:49.079
<v Speaker 3>not real complex stuff. Although the best play of the

865
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:51.039
<v Speaker 3>game was a seventy one yarder, which was a real

866
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:52.360
<v Speaker 3>sweet throw. He can sing.

867
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, those Wilson boys can throw a football, there's

868
00:42:55.239 --> 00:42:57.920
<v Speaker 2>no doubt. It's just the other things that haven't necessarily

869
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.920
<v Speaker 2>fallen into place. But I think Craig raises a good

870
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.800
<v Speaker 2>point because we heard from Mike Pijakian on Tuesday. It

871
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.320
<v Speaker 2>was his first media availability, and he said, the systems

872
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:10.159
<v Speaker 2>in place, the systems, the system, right, this isn't the

873
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 2>NFL where you can come in and tell your general manager,

874
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I need a left tackle, right, go give me a

875
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:16.920
<v Speaker 2>wide receiver. Now the personnel is the same, the systems

876
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:20.559
<v Speaker 2>the same. So my question is what can Mike Bijakian

877
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 2>do with an Andy Ludwig offense and the same personnel

878
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 2>that Andy Ludwig himself could not do? Like, what what's

879
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:28.719
<v Speaker 2>reasonable to expect?

880
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.960
<v Speaker 3>And Pete Houston? I mean the timing for that is perfect.

881
00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you could call plays and they would beat Houston.

882
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, but I mean, maybe build a little

883
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:38.400
<v Speaker 3>something positive.

884
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Might have a new career.

885
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:42.679
<v Speaker 3>Can what's the last time you can remember the utes

886
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:48.320
<v Speaker 3>tumbling the way they have over the last three weeks.

887
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:51.360
<v Speaker 2>Two home losses that were devastating, and the fan base

888
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.840
<v Speaker 2>just the energy in that place, which has always been

889
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.480
<v Speaker 2>high level. Man, just you know, boom, it was. It

890
00:43:57.519 --> 00:43:58.880
<v Speaker 2>was like energy sapp down.

891
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:01.880
<v Speaker 3>This coach is Bowler and you know, listen, you should

892
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:04.400
<v Speaker 3>say in your voice, not mine, but coaches are going

893
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:06.519
<v Speaker 3>to tell the guys to go back to fundamentals.

894
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:09.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely, that's that's the first thing you say

895
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:12.079
<v Speaker 2>in practice. Guys, if we have to, I'm gonna take

896
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:14.360
<v Speaker 2>you back to just how you set your feet, how

897
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:18.239
<v Speaker 2>you hit, how you go into a defender with your

898
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:21.880
<v Speaker 2>pads squared, and how you drive, drive, drive, drive, drive

899
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:25.400
<v Speaker 2>them out. And I'm curious too if they'll use the

900
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:28.719
<v Speaker 2>athleticism of Isaac and do they run outside the tackles

901
00:44:28.719 --> 00:44:30.679
<v Speaker 2>a bit? Can they spread the field more instead of

902
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:33.559
<v Speaker 2>running between the tackles. It seems that's been a problem

903
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:37.079
<v Speaker 2>that those short yards have not come easy, and so

904
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:39.639
<v Speaker 2>do you open up the field a little bit? Regardless,

905
00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:41.679
<v Speaker 2>how does play more into this as well?

906
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm just going to say that, regardless of who's playing quarterback,

907
00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.159
<v Speaker 3>what do you expect a bigger season out of Kithy?

908
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:50.880
<v Speaker 2>If they It's almost like I look, I'm only saying,

909
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:53.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, I follow the Chiefs. I'm not everybody knows

910
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:56.239
<v Speaker 2>that I'm from Kansas City. Kelsey has not been involved

911
00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:58.559
<v Speaker 2>much in my homes or even they're looking for him.

912
00:44:59.079 --> 00:45:02.639
<v Speaker 2>And it's almost a similar situation where I thought Keify

913
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:06.119
<v Speaker 2>would be a real big part. But maybe it's because

914
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:10.880
<v Speaker 2>of the injury and Isaac just doesn't have the ability

915
00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:15.599
<v Speaker 2>to look off and go through his progressions and take

916
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:17.440
<v Speaker 2>the time of the patience for it to develop.

917
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, you're tight, it is your safety valve. Isn't that

918
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.320
<v Speaker 3>where you look when you can't find anything?

919
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:24.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, when he's high levels, sometimes he just kind of

920
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:27.679
<v Speaker 2>goes middle field and the backers drop. But now everybody

921
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:30.360
<v Speaker 2>knows what Kelsey is and they've known it for years.

922
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:33.519
<v Speaker 2>But for some reason this season he's not as engaged

923
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:37.719
<v Speaker 2>in Mahomes's mind. But Keify could be a bigger part

924
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.280
<v Speaker 2>of his offense. That could be one of the answers. Yeah,

925
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:43.079
<v Speaker 2>the bulk of Brand's numbers have been when Cameron's been

926
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.159
<v Speaker 2>under center, and a lot of it was Southern Utah.

927
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Who you know, Dejhon Stanley was running wheel routes with

928
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.360
<v Speaker 2>nobody within thirty yards and everyone's like they've got a

929
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.119
<v Speaker 2>weapon in Dejon Stale mcgar or. He just ran up

930
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:56.199
<v Speaker 2>the field because nobody was around. But let me go here.

931
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.400
<v Speaker 2>We got a few minutes left. Because the good news

932
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:03.280
<v Speaker 2>is this, Okay, the defense has not necessarily been as

933
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:05.480
<v Speaker 2>dominant as we're used to, but we're used to one

934
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.360
<v Speaker 2>of the best defenses in the western and west of

935
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.039
<v Speaker 2>the Mississippi. But they're still second in total d in

936
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:13.239
<v Speaker 2>the Big Twelve. They're fourth and rushing fifth and passing third.

937
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:16.840
<v Speaker 2>In defensive efficiency. But here's where they struggle, which I

938
00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:18.880
<v Speaker 2>think is odd based off of who this program is.

939
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:23.159
<v Speaker 2>They're ninth in sacks, they're sixteenth in fumbles forced, thirteenth

940
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:26.760
<v Speaker 2>fourteenth excuse me, and fumble's recovered, and ninth in interceptions,

941
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 2>so twenty to twenty. They stopped the run, they're good

942
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.719
<v Speaker 2>against the pass their second overall defense. They're not turning

943
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:34.920
<v Speaker 2>the other team over, and they're not pressuring the quarterback.

944
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:38.000
<v Speaker 2>That's usually been the calling card for Wit and the

945
00:46:38.119 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 2>utes exactly, even on special teams and the defense have

946
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:45.119
<v Speaker 2>usually caused havoc and given a lease I mean a

947
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:48.760
<v Speaker 2>touchdown and set the utes up for a field goal opportunity,

948
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:50.519
<v Speaker 2>it'll probably again you have to go back and look

949
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.960
<v Speaker 2>at the years under Whit, but I mean ten twelve

950
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:57.400
<v Speaker 2>points a game that's been manufactured by special teams and

951
00:46:57.639 --> 00:46:59.800
<v Speaker 2>the defense. But if we operate off the premise that

952
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:03.119
<v Speaker 2>the defense is still good, and they get Connor O'Toole back,

953
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:06.159
<v Speaker 2>and you know Karente played last week, and they get

954
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, all their pieces back on defense, and I'm

955
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:13.079
<v Speaker 2>trying to be optimistic here because you know, in their losses,

956
00:47:13.239 --> 00:47:16.119
<v Speaker 2>if they scored more than twenty seven points they get

957
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:19.119
<v Speaker 2>a win. I mean, Arizona scored twenty three, Arizona scored

958
00:47:19.159 --> 00:47:22.719
<v Speaker 2>twenty seven, tic you scored thirteen. So we don't need

959
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Isaac to come in here and be camera rising from

960
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:27.599
<v Speaker 2>two years ago. If we operate off the premise score

961
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.400
<v Speaker 2>and that the defense is still really good generally speaking,

962
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.280
<v Speaker 2>what does the offense have to look like just to

963
00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:34.960
<v Speaker 2>give him a chance the rest of the way.

964
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Stay inside yourself and don't try to do things you

965
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:41.480
<v Speaker 3>can't do. Yeah, and you know, it reminds me of

966
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:44.559
<v Speaker 3>that scene in the movie Hitch. You remember that when

967
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:45.880
<v Speaker 3>I know you're a big.

968
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.039
<v Speaker 2>Will Horrible movie Will Smith when he had to get

969
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:51.880
<v Speaker 2>the bendrill on his eye Will swollen. Okay, why would

970
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:53.039
<v Speaker 2>you bring up Hitch.

971
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:56.320
<v Speaker 3>Because this is one of my worst analogies. But I'll

972
00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:59.679
<v Speaker 3>be Hitch is telling Kevin James, Yeah, when he's teaching

973
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:01.760
<v Speaker 3>them to ants how to dance, he says, this is

974
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.519
<v Speaker 3>where you live, right here, right here from shoulders shoulder.

975
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:08.280
<v Speaker 3>You don't do all that stuff flopping around, spinning around,

976
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:11.480
<v Speaker 3>So no, you stay right here. That's what the used

977
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:14.280
<v Speaker 3>have to do. Stay right here, get back to basics.

978
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.639
<v Speaker 3>And as far as the turnovers, goes water.

979
00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:21.559
<v Speaker 2>This is probably this is.

980
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:27.639
<v Speaker 3>One confused the offense and what what what? What has

981
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:32.480
<v Speaker 3>Kyle Wheneham built his program on one word that everybody

982
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:34.199
<v Speaker 3>thinks of when they think of Utah football.

983
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:39.159
<v Speaker 2>Strategic It's from a senthoul skin physicality.

984
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.360
<v Speaker 3>Hit the living snot out of the guys. Then guys

985
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.760
<v Speaker 3>start to fumble. Then they started hearing steps like you said,

986
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:50.519
<v Speaker 3>get some sacks, sack of Lake City right, knock the ball,

987
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:54.400
<v Speaker 3>loose play like Utah plays everything I thought Utah would be.

988
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Speaker 2>B y U is Yes, I was just gonna say Spencer.

989
00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:01.800
<v Speaker 2>In my mind, the opportunistic hits and the way the

990
00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:04.840
<v Speaker 2>bull jumps back into the hands of Byu is what

991
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Utah has been able to do for years, and they

992
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:10.519
<v Speaker 2>have not been able to do that this year. Stay

993
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:12.440
<v Speaker 2>right here, Stay right here. This is where you live.

994
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:14.719
<v Speaker 2>We got right right here. Gordon is currently holding his

995
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:17.679
<v Speaker 2>hands up like about six inches apart. You canan on

996
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:20.320
<v Speaker 2>YouTube if you lost six six ninety two pounds a

997
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.400
<v Speaker 2>lineman or three to zero three. Stay right here within

998
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:26.559
<v Speaker 2>this probably squeeze last thing real quick. We got to

999
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:27.440
<v Speaker 2>go Utah.

1000
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:28.000
<v Speaker 3>BYU.

1001
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Who wins if it's tomorrow on a neutral field.

1002
00:49:29.960 --> 00:49:33.119
<v Speaker 3>On a neutral field. I have to go with by justint.

1003
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I would I would totally agree at this point in time. Yeah,

1004
00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:38.880
<v Speaker 2>and I wouldn't. Who would have said that two months ago?

1005
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:42.559
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1006
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:44.360
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1007
00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:46.679
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