Speaker 1: Something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: I think it's Hey, hey, everyone, welcome back to the
Speaker 2: n y Atriot Show. This week, I have my amazing
Speaker 2: and wonderful Canadian co host Teresa with me once again.
Speaker 2: What's up, Teresa?
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 1: Not much? How are you good?
Speaker 3: It's Friday, it's nice out.
Speaker 1: I have not nice here.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I have to say, looking out the window,
Speaker 2: it looks beautiful out, but then as soon as you
Speaker 2: walk outside, it's like the fucking cold air smacks right
Speaker 2: in the face.
Speaker 1: That's true, right, it's deceptive here. It just looks gloomy
Speaker 1: and cold, so you know what you're getting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a couple of days ago. I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, it looks so beautiful. I went to
Speaker 2: go like run outsiding and like go take care of
Speaker 2: some shit with just like a thin hoodie on. Walked
Speaker 2: right outside the door.
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa.
Speaker 2: I was like, I gotta going to put on a
Speaker 2: jacket in a fucking.
Speaker 3: Half of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's December.
Speaker 3: But today I'm very happy to do this. It's something
Speaker 3: that we've actually been working on a while.
Speaker 2: Well, actually, first I would like to add, we are
Speaker 2: going to be covering some stuff that like's from the
Speaker 2: news and just even stuff to do with the weather
Speaker 2: in this and a lot of this really is just
Speaker 2: our opinion and theorizing. But the whole way that this
Speaker 2: episode even came about is because of, like, you know,
Speaker 2: about a month ago, a little bit over a month ago,
Speaker 2: around whatever, not too long ago, there was like and
Speaker 2: I had experienced, and even Theresa had noticed it. I
Speaker 2: think you saw it first, and then I think the
Speaker 2: next day we were reporting it. We had like this
Speaker 2: weird fog that's just like crawled in like it was
Speaker 2: like some Stephen King miss type shit to me, and
Speaker 2: we just both thought it was really weird. She was
Speaker 2: like posting pictures and sending me stuff about it, and
Speaker 2: I was looking at it and I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: that to me, it looks artificial. I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: that's what it is, but it just seems very weird.
Speaker 3: And then the next day I'm watching you.
Speaker 2: Know, Spectrum one, which is like the local news, and
Speaker 2: I'm like watching them show the stuff on TV too,
Speaker 2: and I took pictures of my TV that I'll be using.
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to download Spectrum one the news or whatever,
Speaker 2: but I got pictures of the TV news, and it
Speaker 2: was just really weird because I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: we're getting it too, which makes sense. I mean, we
Speaker 2: are close to Canada, but just to me, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a conspiracy theorist in me
Speaker 2: or whatever, but sometimes these things just don't look like
Speaker 2: the clouds that I remember. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: so not to say it was anything nefarious or evil,
Speaker 2: but who knows.
Speaker 3: It just seems very weird.
Speaker 2: So then it started to make us we did kind
Speaker 2: of want to cover that, but we're just like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, like how long of a show will that be?
Speaker 2: And I was like, and again I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: say that there's definitely a connection between the two, but
Speaker 2: I had said, you know, this made me think.
Speaker 3: Of government experiments.
Speaker 2: So I was like, maybe we could do a government
Speaker 2: experiment and we'll cover this at the beginning, because it's
Speaker 2: what got us into the got me into the idea
Speaker 2: of possibly comment experimenting on citizens. That's saying that that's
Speaker 2: what the fog was. No, I know, that's how this episody,
Speaker 2: this two part episode, which I may add just to
Speaker 2: be an asshole, I may put part two on the
Speaker 2: Spiritual Gangsters, so you have to go over there and
Speaker 2: watch it. This.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trick you out, but I'm just giving the preface.
Speaker 2: Isn't a whole the whole thing of like how this
Speaker 2: two part series even came out. I think today you're like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go over the fog and then go over
Speaker 2: some stuff in Canada and the United States, and then
Speaker 2: I'm thinking part two because of Helen.
Speaker 3: I will thank Helen.
Speaker 2: From our Element chat, she had asked, was there anything
Speaker 2: you guys were working on that maybe I could help
Speaker 2: and send you.
Speaker 3: Some info on?
Speaker 2: And because of the holidays, and you.
Speaker 3: Know, I'm not patting myself on the back.
Speaker 2: I was very kind of like overbooked myself just to
Speaker 2: get a lot done because I knew the holidays would
Speaker 2: take out days and times.
Speaker 3: That I can't do stuff.
Speaker 2: So she knew that I was kind of like, oh,
Speaker 2: helmed with stuff from talking to her.
Speaker 3: Personally or an Element chat.
Speaker 2: She I told her, I said, well, we're going to
Speaker 2: be looking up like government experiments that have been done
Speaker 2: to citizens, you know, that the government did to their
Speaker 2: own citizens. And I said, you know, maybe you could
Speaker 2: look into some of like UK and she sent me,
Speaker 2: I mean a crap ton of stuff in an email,
Speaker 2: so I already know that there's like, you know, that's
Speaker 2: a part two and we might do that in Australia
Speaker 2: and somewhere else. But I think today we're kind of
Speaker 2: going into the fog which spurred the whole idea of
Speaker 2: possible government experiments, and then we'll be covering Canada and
Speaker 2: the United States a little bit, which is some things
Speaker 2: in the past that I do find interesting that it's
Speaker 2: you know, if they've done this before, I mean, who
Speaker 2: wants to do it now? I hate to say, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean you can only go by the behaviors in
Speaker 2: the past, determined times sometimes how you are in the future.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the whole reason why they you know,
Speaker 2: have background checks. So sorry, but maybe we're just background
Speaker 2: checking the government here.
Speaker 1: You know, well said.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like this mystery fog, I'll just call it that
Speaker 1: that happened, the one we're talking about. I'm sure a
Speaker 1: lot of people are going to know because they've probably
Speaker 1: experienced it too. Is during the week of Halloween, so
Speaker 1: it was like the very end of October, beginning of November,
Speaker 1: right honestly, because I had started posting about it on
Speaker 1: November third, so it must have been like I think
Speaker 1: November second or first, it must have started. I can't
Speaker 1: remember the exact day, but a lot of people. I'm
Speaker 1: in Toronto, so a lot of people in the greater
Speaker 1: Toronto area, Ontario, and from you'll see from some of
Speaker 1: the people's Instagram stories that we screenshot, it was not
Speaker 1: just Canada. It was very widespread, which is odd.
Speaker 2: I would think that's a big cloud.
Speaker 1: It's a large cloud, like how could how could you
Speaker 1: have the same Okay, I mean maybe not the same fog,
Speaker 1: but what are the chances of having fog thick, dense
Speaker 1: all down what the entire eastern seaboard of North America?
Speaker 1: Is that likely?
Speaker 2: I do I know, I don't know much about that stuff,
Speaker 2: but I just did think it was I don't know.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I even had people send me pictures from Florida
Speaker 1: on the same days. Oh wow, Right, it's pretty crazy,
Speaker 1: and not everyone its coastal, like Toronto's not coastal. We
Speaker 1: are on Lake Ontario, but we're not like on the
Speaker 1: eastern edge of the continent. You know, We're a little
Speaker 1: bit in.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: So I mean, it's not just coastal areas, so I
Speaker 1: find that really weird. I'll just say, like anecdotally, I
Speaker 1: do remember exactly when it started, because my son was
Speaker 1: leaving for a baseball practice and we have a large
Speaker 1: window like in the front of our house, and I
Speaker 1: remember he left with my husband and everything was fine.
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful, beautiful evening, sunny, nice, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like this aggressive fog started rolling
Speaker 1: in out of nowhere. So it was literally like sunny
Speaker 1: and nice, and then ten minutes later, complete fog covered
Speaker 1: and I could see it like billowing over like the
Speaker 1: houses and stuff like approaching. It was like an encroaching
Speaker 1: fog from sideways. It was really freaky. It didn't seem normal.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't recall fog ever doing that sometimes.
Speaker 1: I guess you usually just wake up in the morning
Speaker 1: and there's like, you know, some low hanging cloud like
Speaker 1: fog on the ground, and usually, oh, I remember by
Speaker 1: lunch it's cleared up.
Speaker 2: Even younger, like when I would drive younger as a kid,
Speaker 2: and like you know, out in Long Island. I even
Speaker 2: think just I think also depending on like kind of
Speaker 2: the area that you're in, sometimes a fog, you know,
Speaker 2: with the trees are more, you know, more stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Do you think that might have something to play into it? Again,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I remember as a child like sometimes.
Speaker 3: Like the fog, you drive through it. You don't have
Speaker 3: to put on your lights, you can see.
Speaker 2: But like, it was like that shit that I saw
Speaker 2: in Canada, and even in New York was like soup.
Speaker 3: I was just like, yo, that coming out of someone's car.
Speaker 1: Totally. It was scary when it came in. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: was like a little perturbed and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's weird. And then I remember letting my dog outside
Speaker 1: in the backyard that night and when he came inside,
Speaker 1: he was soaking wet, but it wasn't raining, and I
Speaker 1: was like, would fog make you like that wet? Like
Speaker 1: I had to dry him with a towel and everything.
Speaker 1: And then weirdly, later on in the night, I was
Speaker 1: out in like my family room area and I couldn't
Speaker 1: find him. I said, where's the dog? Usually right beside me,
Speaker 1: he's like my shadow, for God's sakes, And he was
Speaker 1: in my room in the dark, shaking.
Speaker 2: Oh shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you'll see a screenshot someone else said the
Speaker 1: same thing that their dog was doing the same thing
Speaker 1: on that night, so really weird shit. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was just fog or another theory, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe because our atmosphere is so heavily sprayed often with chemtrails,
Speaker 1: like that's a fact. It's not, you know, a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: Maybe when there is a heavy fog, it's just full
Speaker 1: of chemicals because that's what's in our air. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Or did they purposely spray stuff on us that day?
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you want to bring up some
Speaker 1: of the all right, So I just wanted to show
Speaker 1: some examples from people's Instagram stories. There was a guy
Speaker 1: his name is Adrian Underscore Alexander eighty nine on Instagram,
Speaker 1: so shout out to him because he was covering and
Speaker 1: collecting like a lot of different people's experience from this,
Speaker 1: like mystery fog the week of Halloween. So this is
Speaker 1: from my own personal Instagram story November three, So I'm
Speaker 1: assuming the fog must have been November two, most likely
Speaker 1: when it was like the most prominent, because I posted
Speaker 1: about it the next day, so I said. The following
Speaker 1: slides which I posted my story are about the recent
Speaker 1: weather in Ontario and are from Adrian Alexander's stories. Toronto
Speaker 1: area and more has had an insanely weird fog roll
Speaker 1: in aggressively. It is one hundred percent not normal. It
Speaker 1: smells like batteries to me outside electricity and acid. If
Speaker 1: patterns are correct, a lot of people will suddenly turn
Speaker 1: up sick in the next week, go to another wave
Speaker 1: or new illness. Ontario education support workers have also declared
Speaker 1: strike as of tomorrow, so schools are closed again. Who
Speaker 1: wants to bet that the kids out of school coordinates
Speaker 1: conveniently with this strike and likely increase in illness and
Speaker 1: they either don't go back to class or masks will
Speaker 1: be reinstated upon their return. I hope to god I
Speaker 1: am dead wrong. So I ended up being kind of
Speaker 1: right and kind of wrong about that. There was like
Speaker 1: a education support worker strike happening in Ontario around this time,
Speaker 1: which resulted in the kids going back to school fairly quickly,
Speaker 1: so that was good. There has been masked talk about
Speaker 1: reinstating that in schools around other parts of Ontario, but
Speaker 1: nothing mandated, so again that is good. However, a lot
Speaker 1: of children are like.
Speaker 2: A lot you know, I was just going to say
Speaker 2: that and just thinking about it now. I don't know
Speaker 2: how it didn't click until now, because you were mentioning
Speaker 2: that about with you when you're wondering about this whole
Speaker 2: fog miss thing, you know, having ideas of what it
Speaker 2: could have been in New York, well.
Speaker 3: At least on the local news. We've been getting hammered
Speaker 3: with supposedly this whole RSV thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do we actually seem to make the
Speaker 2: connection that it's probably it happened if a week or
Speaker 2: two after this.
Speaker 1: Actually, that's right.
Speaker 2: They've been hammered us with that, and now saying because
Speaker 2: of that and something else in Corona, everybody better make
Speaker 2: sure you go get jibbity jed's because with all three
Speaker 2: of these you're surely to die, so like to.
Speaker 1: Be hospitalized her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they have been pushing that hard, and now
Speaker 2: I just I just realized.
Speaker 3: Now I'm like, wait a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the timing is very convenient. So you know, the
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist in me had my backup immediately when that
Speaker 1: fog rolled in. Sure enough, my own kids both had
Speaker 1: like a mild little thing like that weekend, and then
Speaker 1: my well, both my kids have had coughs. But my
Speaker 1: older son has had a terrible cough for now going
Speaker 1: on over two weeks. He missed like nine days of school.
Speaker 1: And he's not alone in it. I'm hearing it from
Speaker 1: parents all over the place. Oh yeah, my child's missed
Speaker 1: a week of school, two weeks of school because of coughing.
Speaker 1: So it's like and it's not like he had a
Speaker 1: fever or anything, just like a croup, dry, NonStop cough,
Speaker 1: like almost as if he has an irritant in his
Speaker 1: life and his lungs are trying to get rid of something,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's really fucked up. And again, just
Speaker 1: talking with like all kinds of parents in my local area,
Speaker 1: a lot of them have noticed the same thing, or
Speaker 1: when it's a very foggy day, because there were some
Speaker 1: foggy days after that, but not as much as that
Speaker 1: one particular week.
Speaker 2: Think about now, I don't you know, it's funny I
Speaker 2: should be the one to remember. I don't know if
Speaker 2: maybe you might remember, But.
Speaker 3: When was it that I had the flow?
Speaker 1: Oh? I don't want to use that before your trip, right.
Speaker 3: I'm going to edit this out, you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to mention that I went on vacation. Sorry, all right,
Speaker 3: I can't remember when it was.
Speaker 1: Before you left, so leading up to Halloween, right middle
Speaker 1: of October?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, all right, So I was sick prior
Speaker 3: to prior.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'll let it all that make a difference.
Speaker 3: But I was like, oh wait, this happened. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I didn't I realize, but.
Speaker 1: Hey, they spray shit on us all the time, so like,
Speaker 1: who the fuck knows?
Speaker 3: Right, honestly, ahead, I'm sorry, I'll just take that's.
Speaker 1: Okay, we can go to like, so, okay, we'll just
Speaker 1: show some examples from people's stories. So if you're watching,
Speaker 1: you know, on YouTube, you can see some examples visually
Speaker 1: of what the heck was going on. So again, chemstrails
Speaker 1: in the air normally, So I don't know sometimes when
Speaker 1: when we had these like super foggy days, if there's
Speaker 1: lung irritants in the air and chemicals, is it just
Speaker 1: because our atmosphere and air is so saturated with toxic
Speaker 1: shit already that it's making us sick when there's fog
Speaker 1: or was this like an additional intentional spring you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, so we can show some people's examples,
Speaker 1: so that I think it's just someone from an airplane
Speaker 1: right or from their condo.
Speaker 2: Look at the fog in Toronto and I don't even
Speaker 2: know how to say that.
Speaker 1: This is oh Mississauga.
Speaker 2: What is that? Like your version of the Mississippi.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they left for Chicago on a plane, but
Speaker 1: they're flying over the city of Toronto. And look at
Speaker 1: that log rolling in from the side. It's literally going
Speaker 1: from west to east. So Mississauga. The place they're talking
Speaker 1: about is west of Toronto where the airport is, so
Speaker 1: that makes sense that it's coming from the west going
Speaker 1: to the east more into the downtown.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like the opening of an m night Shamal.
Speaker 1: Movie, totally like the miss Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh that's Stephen King. But I'm thinking like even like
Speaker 2: Devil because it showed the city. Ohay, but like like
Speaker 2: this does look like something you'd see like in some
Speaker 2: kind of weird sci fi maybe even a horror movie
Speaker 2: of like some ship rolling into the city.
Speaker 1: It felt so dark and like demonic outside.
Speaker 2: It really did it.
Speaker 1: It's creepy as fun. Continue, I don't know what this is. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this is somebody's like outdoor camera in Vaughn. So
Speaker 1: Vaughn is a city just north of Toronto. So the
Speaker 1: person said, I'm in Vaughn. This is from a clip
Speaker 1: from my camera. The fog is super thick here. I've
Speaker 1: never seen anything like it. It's been days and that
Speaker 1: it's been happening here. So when you check the camera,
Speaker 1: it looks like snow. All these particles are flying around.
Speaker 1: It looks like a blizzard. But if you are outside,
Speaker 1: it just looks like really thick fog. It's the oddest thing.
Speaker 1: While walking the dogs last night, I felt as though
Speaker 1: I was breathing differently. I don't have any asthma, no
Speaker 1: breathing issues at all, but something was just different about
Speaker 1: the air. So, yeah, that's a very typical testimony that
Speaker 1: people were sending in. This is all again from Adrian
Speaker 1: Alexander's Instagram account. He sort of became the hub.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I just would like to even
Speaker 2: emphasize and I'm not even really saying this so much
Speaker 2: for social media platforms because of it, but I just
Speaker 2: do want to point out that, I mean, these are
Speaker 2: posts from other people going to somebody else. These aren't
Speaker 2: our posts. I have no idea.
Speaker 3: For all I know, these could be fake and photoshop.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not I don't think it is, but I just
Speaker 3: do want to.
Speaker 2: Say, like I have no way of you know, yeah
Speaker 2: somebody else, Yeah for sure. But I mean I can
Speaker 2: verify what I saw in New York and you can
Speaker 2: verify what you saw in Canada.
Speaker 1: But totally. So this is drone footage. Uh. The person wrote,
Speaker 1: my neighbor took drone a drone shot of our neighborhood
Speaker 1: and fort Erie. This is not fog fort Erie, Ontario.
Speaker 2: That looks like straight up clouds to me.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't. It look kind of like chemi trail
Speaker 1: type of clouds. It looks thick, like patterned. You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of got that like.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like that wave to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that wave exactly.
Speaker 4: NA get some waves, all right.
Speaker 1: So this is someone replying to Adrian's story. They said,
Speaker 1: I'm in Stowville and I'm out right now. My tongue
Speaker 1: is on fire, I'm tasting chemicals. What the heck are
Speaker 1: they spraying us with? Stollville, Ontario?
Speaker 2: You know what I actually thought was interesting and I'm
Speaker 2: not even like I guess maybe I'm just kind of
Speaker 2: playing Devil's advocate. And to an extent, the guy had
Speaker 2: mentioned something about smelling electricity. I mean, I do think
Speaker 2: that's I guess maybe probably from looking at a different way,
Speaker 2: I find that interesting. And then at some point I'm
Speaker 2: just finding it as like, well, is that a surprise?
Speaker 2: I mean, our bodies run on electricity, and you know,
Speaker 2: we know that this free floating electricity in the air,
Speaker 2: So is it unusual that there's electricity out there? Is
Speaker 2: or unusual that something's going on to where you can
Speaker 2: actually physically smell it? Now? Oh yeah, I mean Tesla
Speaker 2: even knew that there was electricity floating around freely in
Speaker 2: the air. So it's out there. It's just what is
Speaker 2: it that made a smell it?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: Right? Maybe whatever they're spraying is to enhance the properties
Speaker 1: of the free electricity floating around. You know, wait, maybe
Speaker 1: there's a purpose for that. But you know, the smell
Speaker 1: that I smelled personally was very much like when you'd
Speaker 1: smell like a leaking battery. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like an acidic electric smell. Yeah. So this is
Speaker 1: a person who was flying on Sunday coming back from Florida.
Speaker 1: So many layers they said, look at that, it's just
Speaker 1: like a blanket, like that's what. Don't you think natural
Speaker 1: fog would have like a gradual like feeding out.
Speaker 2: You know. What the thing is is that people also
Speaker 2: have to keep in mind too, Like as we're looking
Speaker 2: at this, I'm even really forgetting. Maybe it's because I'm
Speaker 2: slightly buzzed now, but like the'se Like I'm looking at
Speaker 2: him like it's a fucking cloud, But I'm like, that's
Speaker 2: also on the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's low.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like the fog on the ground.
Speaker 2: But like as you're looking at it here, like one
Speaker 2: could think like that does just look like.
Speaker 1: A cloud in the sky. Yeah, no, those are that's
Speaker 1: literally on the ground. It's wild. Yes, So this is
Speaker 1: someone in there, I guess a condo or a building
Speaker 1: fifty floors up in the air. Look at that blanket, jeez,
Speaker 1: and it was like that, like all the way down
Speaker 1: to the ground you could not see.
Speaker 2: You imagine, ha something like it. How do you get
Speaker 2: to work?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Anyway, So I think this is just a screenshot that
Speaker 1: Adrian Alexander had shared proving that, you know, weather modification
Speaker 1: in Canada is a thing. It's there's laws about it.
Speaker 1: It's not you know, it's not a conspiracy. They can't
Speaker 1: legally modify the weather. And I know some people had
Speaker 1: I put in a Freedom of Information Act request about
Speaker 1: like if someone was actively like experimenting around that time.
Speaker 1: So I haven't heard any call.
Speaker 2: Up to that, but I hope I'm not wrong, But
Speaker 2: I do actually think, like I think even the US
Speaker 2: government has like kind of admitted yeah, and the.
Speaker 3: Same thing to an extent. I could be wrong, but
Speaker 3: I'm almost positive they have.
Speaker 2: It's like when people are like so surprised about the
Speaker 2: idea of it, I'm like, well, they've already mentioned totally.
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny that we're recording this today.
Speaker 1: Just this morning, I woke up to like a slew
Speaker 1: of text messages from my parents, and my dad had
Speaker 1: sent a video about HARP, like the weather modification technology,
Speaker 1: and like even like six months ago, my parents didn't
Speaker 1: even think keemtrails were real, and then today he's sending
Speaker 1: a video about HARP, and I was like, I told
Speaker 1: you so, So I was like, wow, people are getting
Speaker 1: more aware of it. You know, this is pretty cool. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this one the person said tasted metallic to me,
Speaker 1: couldn't get the taste out of my mouth last night
Speaker 1: and I was in my car rolled in downtown Toronto
Speaker 1: around five thirty pm. I live in Stouville. When I
Speaker 1: got past the four oh seven, which is a highway,
Speaker 1: it magically disappeared. It was here this morning though, So
Speaker 1: it seems like there's like these cutoff points where just
Speaker 1: like the cloud of fog like stops and then you're
Speaker 1: in the clear.
Speaker 2: It's the.
Speaker 1: Uh Okay. I also live in Colonna, and I'd add
Speaker 1: to this. My son has asthma and it's having a
Speaker 1: very hard time breathing at times. He says it's painful
Speaker 1: and almost feels like he's gasping. I do have very
Speaker 1: sensitive skin, but I am having an almost allergic reactive
Speaker 1: flare right now, swelling in my eyes, et cetera. So kologna,
Speaker 1: I'm just okay, I'm like an ignorant Torontonian right now.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Colonna is in BC or this isn No,
Speaker 1: it's BC. Yeah, British Columbia. So that's on the west
Speaker 1: side of the country. And I did hear some people
Speaker 1: in like BC in California talking about the fog as well.
Speaker 2: Oh so, so.
Speaker 1: Was it on both sides both ends of the continent.
Speaker 1: Cloth edges right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I unless it's something I didn't include,
Speaker 2: I do think I might actually, you know, thinking about
Speaker 2: it now, I do think I may actually have some government.
Speaker 5: Experiments that were done you know on you know, on
Speaker 5: the citizens.
Speaker 2: They don't even deny that we're done by It may
Speaker 2: have actually had to do with the coastlines as well.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong though, or I left it out
Speaker 2: and I don't have it.
Speaker 1: But that's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is interesting to think about the coastlines
Speaker 2: being specifically targeted maybe m or just weird stuff happens.
Speaker 2: That's the coast for that.
Speaker 1: Okay. So another person wrote in about their experience. So
Speaker 1: my chest has been so tight today and having trouble breathing.
Speaker 1: Suddenly the fog came out of nowhere today. Also in Hamilton.
Speaker 1: This is fucking wild man. So Hamilton is a city
Speaker 1: our west of Toronto, so again that following the west
Speaker 1: to east would make sense. Weird this this stuff is
Speaker 1: rolling in thick tonight, leaves a sweet taste in your mouth,
Speaker 1: super super weird. Never seen anything like this Newcastle, Ontario.
Speaker 3: Laughing gas right, well, okay.
Speaker 1: So interesting you brings up laughing gas. So not laughing
Speaker 1: gas that.
Speaker 3: Knocks you out. What's that stuff they always put in
Speaker 3: the rags in the movies.
Speaker 1: For like you're getting like your wisdom teeth out.
Speaker 2: You're like, like, if some bad guy wants to knock
Speaker 2: someone out in the kidnapping.
Speaker 1: The chloroform chloroform, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Sweet taste the chloroform.
Speaker 1: Sweet sweet chloroform. Who the fuck knows, honestly, But it's
Speaker 1: funny you bring that up because a friend of mine
Speaker 1: that I was talking with her, someone she knows, is
Speaker 1: a biofeedback practitioner. Okay, So biofeedback is like measuring energetic
Speaker 1: levels in your body and like your bio energetic resonance
Speaker 1: and stuff. And she ran a scan on her son
Speaker 1: because her scan her son is super sensitive to chemicals
Speaker 1: and allergies and all this kind of stuff. So when
Speaker 1: the fog happened, she ran a scan on her son
Speaker 1: because he got very sick and his breathing was terrible,
Speaker 1: And she picked up in her biofeedback report a chemical
Speaker 1: called false gene phos g e n E, which she
Speaker 1: thought was super weird, so she looked up the name
Speaker 1: of it. Turns out foss gene is responsible for like
Speaker 1: eighty five percent of the deaths in World War One
Speaker 1: due to chemical warfare. Oh yeah, so was the gas
Speaker 1: used by the Germans. And I did tell you.
Speaker 2: I'm like, because I'm thinking in my head, I was like,
Speaker 2: I know I've heard of this before.
Speaker 3: I was like, is this in my notes?
Speaker 1: And I forgot No, No, that's okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, but I'm wondering if maybe that even comes up
Speaker 2: in my stuff and I just didn't remember.
Speaker 1: It might yeah, maybe you have it too. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so fog gene came up for her, and uh, we
Speaker 1: just thought it was super weird, like that's a chemical
Speaker 1: agent used in warfare and World War One, the Germans
Speaker 1: used it, but then also was a favorite of the
Speaker 1: Allies as well, so not just the Germans. So a
Speaker 1: lot of people died due to fog gene exposure in
Speaker 1: World War One. And it irritates the lungs. It can
Speaker 1: cause like pulmonary problems, eye irritation, and skin irritation. Is
Speaker 1: that why my kid has been coughing for two fucking weeks?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you've been telling me about your
Speaker 2: kids being I think it's even like a I don't know,
Speaker 2: has it been convenienced I just feel like it might
Speaker 2: have been like a worry for us. Even recording that,
Speaker 2: I just feel like I'm like, didn't I say something recently?
Speaker 2: I was like, I feel like your kids had just
Speaker 2: been constantly sick for the the last two weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to the last two weeks has been a lot.
Speaker 1: And so what we're December now, But that would have
Speaker 1: happened about two weeks after the fog was sprayed, two
Speaker 1: three weeks after what's this one? Whitney, Ontario. All right,
Speaker 1: so this person said, I don't know about the taste,
Speaker 1: but the smell tells it all, like crushed antibiotic pills,
Speaker 1: sour and bitter, such a foul, unnatural smell, especially where
Speaker 1: I live. This is not normal Whitby, Ontario. And that's
Speaker 1: a view from the car. That's what I remember, driving
Speaker 1: in a blanket like that. This is my residential neighborhood.
Speaker 1: You can't even see the houses. There's supposed to be
Speaker 1: houses on the side, you can't see them. Peterborough, Okay, Peterborough, Ontario.
Speaker 1: Is this is Peterborough, mid day, three point thirty pm.
Speaker 1: I have been patrol now, I have been, I guessed
Speaker 1: it for two days sneezing, blowing my nose. Head feels
Speaker 1: stuffy and irritated for sure. So another weird thing about
Speaker 1: this mystery fog was that it would last like all day.
Speaker 1: Like you'd think regular fog would clear around like lunchtime,
Speaker 1: you know, the sun starts coming up kind of like
Speaker 1: burns it away. This would last all day, clear up
Speaker 1: for ten minutes at like four pm, and then come back.
Speaker 1: Like the timing of the fog doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1: It's not like a naturally occurring pattern, all right. So
Speaker 1: this one, this person said, this pairs perfectly with the
Speaker 1: fact that China has rolled out inhalable jabberwockies.
Speaker 3: Sure, I haven't heard of that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have heard of that as well as for
Speaker 1: livestock to do that. So this is a picture of
Speaker 1: someone's I guess a light outside of their porch and
Speaker 1: you can see there's like little particles. It looks like
Speaker 1: it's snowing, but it's not snowing. That's what yeh, it's creepy.
Speaker 1: This is Washington, Washington State. It says last what they
Speaker 1: say last pick was from a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: in North Bend, Washington, a smothering, smelly smoke that was
Speaker 1: supposed to be from a Canadian wildfire. We had this
Speaker 1: for almost a month, not normal. So they also did
Speaker 1: that here during Dwally. I have to look up when
Speaker 1: exactly d Wally is, but there was like an alert
Speaker 1: on our weather app at the time saying due to
Speaker 1: excessive fireworks from Dwally, there would be lung irritants in
Speaker 1: the atmosphere, so be careful how much fireworks do like,
Speaker 1: just see how many fireworks are expecting. It's not Canada Day, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, some people celebrate it, but it's not like.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I've never seen that on the news here
Speaker 2: for fourth of July.
Speaker 1: So I feel like they do they do these little
Speaker 1: alerts to cover up what they're doing or like, excuse it,
Speaker 1: that's weird, Like did they tell these people there was
Speaker 1: a wildfire and then just fray the shit out of them?
Speaker 2: You would think if New York hasn't pulled some scientific
Speaker 2: fear shit with that.
Speaker 3: You know, like if they haven't tried that yet, is
Speaker 3: it really true?
Speaker 2: I don't know, right, I just feel like, you know,
Speaker 2: even with the amount of fireworks that have done even
Speaker 2: though they were legal in New York, but still like
Speaker 2: even done. You know, they do fireworks professionally here in
Speaker 2: New York for the fourth of July. I've never seen
Speaker 2: no shit like that ever.
Speaker 5: Mentioned, No, never because of the fireworks.
Speaker 1: Right, sorry my dog? All right, So someone took a
Speaker 1: little piece of it, so they said they wiped the
Speaker 1: fog off of their windshields, and the paper towel was
Speaker 1: full of dust size tiny metallic particles, very very tiny.
Speaker 1: The video doesn't capture it, but the paper towel was sparkling,
Speaker 1: which makes me think of smart dust. That is, you
Speaker 1: don't know what smart dust is? No, okay, so smart
Speaker 1: dust is like a darkba creation, right and if people
Speaker 1: don't know, Like the acronym for smart, like your smartphone
Speaker 1: or your smart TV or your smart whatever house, like
Speaker 1: smart actually stands for specific, measurable, achievable, relevant, and time bound.
Speaker 1: So when they call it smart, it's not because it
Speaker 1: does a lot of stuff. It's not because it's cool.
Speaker 1: They call it that because it's to measure things and
Speaker 1: like track things. So smart dust probably I'm gonna assume
Speaker 1: contains graphene and other toxic elements, so wouldn't surprise me
Speaker 1: that they're just trying to blanket, you know, the world
Speaker 1: stuff for whatever functions they want. Right, what does this
Speaker 1: one say? Is this from Michigan. I was waiting to
Speaker 1: see one from Michigan. I'm near Lansing and the fog
Speaker 1: we've had the last week is unreal. I thought I
Speaker 1: was getting sick, but it was never full blown, which
Speaker 1: is odd. I also work with the public in a
Speaker 1: chiropractic office, and almost every patient we have had in
Speaker 1: the office has this weird and nasal throat cough thing
Speaker 1: going on. Okay, Saskatoon, Saskatuean, so that's in the middle
Speaker 1: of Canada like this, not close to any coast at all,
Speaker 1: so it says Saskatoon. Here we have the same thing happening.
Speaker 1: Not snow, not fog, not rain, floating particles. My husband
Speaker 1: came in first thing in the morning and mentioned it.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what he was talking about, since
Speaker 1: I've been inside all day. I showed him your stories
Speaker 1: and he said, that's what I was telling you, slide
Speaker 1: and now that you mentioned smell in your stories, I
Speaker 1: was out with my sister on Halloween and she said
Speaker 1: it smelled like spray paint, and I said, it smelled
Speaker 1: like burning rubber or something chemical. I thought it bizarre.
Speaker 1: We were smelling such a bad smell walking in a
Speaker 1: residential area. Weird. Look at that friggin wall.
Speaker 3: It's a wall.
Speaker 1: It's fucking game of throws man. So this is Grimsby, Ontario.
Speaker 1: Fog coming in over Grimsby four days ago. Bad taste
Speaker 1: in my mouth, I can't get rid of it. And
Speaker 1: multiple absence seizures in a day. Since that person was
Speaker 1: having seizures, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure, yeah, they may already have a condition,
Speaker 2: but to trigger them.
Speaker 1: So this person said, I don't one hundred percent agree
Speaker 1: with similar symptoms. I'm very in tune with my body,
Speaker 1: doing power yoga five times a week. Good for you.
Speaker 1: When it's day and Thursday, there's seemingly this pulse or
Speaker 1: electro energy making it more difficult to breathe. My chest
Speaker 1: cavity seems like it's vibrating, and I am generally unsettled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: British Columbia. So the West Coast again, y SBC was
Speaker 1: like this two weeks ago when everyone I know got sick.
Speaker 1: I'm talking a lot of people suddenly on the Thursday
Speaker 1: and Friday. Yes, my kids got sick that weekend with
Speaker 1: like a cold, I would say, before they started their
Speaker 1: coughing fits. So this person talked about the animals. Yes,
Speaker 1: so my cat has been acting real strange the past
Speaker 1: three days too, crying all the time and doesn't want
Speaker 1: to stay outside like she usually does. So kind of
Speaker 1: like what happened to my dog. This is yes, So
Speaker 1: this is Belleville, Ontario. It looks like someone's barbecue cover.
Speaker 1: So they said their barbecue cover was covered in dew
Speaker 1: this morning finally dried and I see these tiny little
Speaker 1: white particles only on the top. I think this is
Speaker 1: what's really floating around and congesting people.
Speaker 2: Up.
Speaker 1: They are working on another wave one way or another
Speaker 1: detox people. Scary shit. Yeah. My friend showed me a
Speaker 1: picture of her lawn furniture as well. She had like
Speaker 1: pillows outside and it was covered in white.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is another screenshot from Adrian's stories rainmakers
Speaker 1: dot org. This is a company working in conjunction with
Speaker 1: the UN. They are one of the players in the
Speaker 1: weather modification business. So technology to mitigate climate change. Interesting.
Speaker 1: So this person, oh yeah, talked about their animals. So again,
Speaker 1: my dog has been acting weird since last night seems
Speaker 1: scared for no reason, was hiding in the closet. This
Speaker 1: person says, I have a long term carbon dioxide detector
Speaker 1: in my home. We normally see around six hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty ppm parts per million. I guess these last four
Speaker 1: days it's been well above one thousand ppm. The Canadian
Speaker 1: Indoor Air Quality recommends mechanical ventilation if over one thousand ppm.
Speaker 1: This is not normal. I've been doing indoor air quality
Speaker 1: audits for fifteen years and I've never seen ratings go
Speaker 1: up everywhere this fast. That's crazy. Where is this one? Michigan?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: We are in White Lake, Michigan, and the fog has
Speaker 1: been unreal here too, and I've been waking up super
Speaker 1: congested and having shortness of breath this entire week. My
Speaker 1: husband also smelled the metallic substance in the air today
Speaker 1: while we were at a park in Pontiac Lake. Crazy.
Speaker 1: Another one from Vaughn, just north of Toronto. Damn, this
Speaker 1: is really my and I thought something was wrong with
Speaker 1: me until I started seeing all the messages in your story.
Speaker 1: I'm up in Vaughan and I thought the fog seemed
Speaker 1: really strange. I've been feeling chest pressure and difficulty breathing.
Speaker 1: I work out five days a week, eat well and
Speaker 1: in great shape. I am also on jabbed because there
Speaker 1: was a theory that that Adrian Alexander guy was proposing
Speaker 1: that like maybe the whatever's in this fog, a mystery fog,
Speaker 1: would affect jabs and un jabbed differently, and that maybe
Speaker 1: jab people couldn't really spell it. Gotcha If they're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's just a wild theory, you know, not,
Speaker 1: I'm the same. I do agree or disagree. It's possible.
Speaker 1: So this person's pictures, they said, Saudi's tonight. Never have
Speaker 1: I seen it this thick before. I'm in rural water Down,
Speaker 1: water Down, Ontario. It always gets foggy and cool mornings,
Speaker 1: of course, so I know what real fog looks like,
Speaker 1: right and what time it comes. That's the thing. The
Speaker 1: timing what we've been seeing recently isn't real at all.
Speaker 2: With that.
Speaker 1: Oh, also, everyone around me, including myself, got sick since
Speaker 1: it started with flu like symptoms.
Speaker 2: Ha ha.
Speaker 1: One more from Chatham, Ontario. I'm in Chatham, kent Ontario.
Speaker 1: I began to feel chest pain and congestion. Immediately after
Speaker 1: the first fog day, we had three heavy days in
Speaker 1: a row. Yes, after flipping through your stories, I messaged
Speaker 1: all of my friends that are unjabbed like myself, all
Speaker 1: the same stories. We are all currently sick. So is
Speaker 1: this some sort of attempt to like inoculate the rest
Speaker 1: of us? Who knows? That's your picture? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was right off the TV.
Speaker 2: Showing the next day after you were telling me about yours.
Speaker 2: This was on the TV the next day for New
Speaker 2: York City.
Speaker 1: That is crazy? Have you ever seen it like that before?
Speaker 2: No, That's what I was saying, Like, not this, I mean,
Speaker 2: not that I remember. I mean, I mean, could it
Speaker 2: have happened when I was younger and I just didn't
Speaker 2: think anything of it and not pay attention because I wasn't, like,
Speaker 2: you know, interested.
Speaker 3: In it, but questioning why does the fog look like that?
Speaker 2: But you know, not that I can remember.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, well, and look how sunny it is
Speaker 1: in that picture too, right, Yeah, it's so sunny. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't be that foggy at that moment. Where's that? That's
Speaker 1: what bridge I forgot.
Speaker 3: Now I should probably know just from looking at.
Speaker 2: It, but.
Speaker 1: So foggy right, that's creepy.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: That's all I have for my photos.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it was definitely like I had
Speaker 2: seen it on the news and I was just like,
Speaker 2: oh shit. I probably could have looked online and granted
Speaker 2: more pictures, but I thought that was just enough to
Speaker 2: show like it did make it here too, And I
Speaker 2: was even like, yo, that shit is thick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the furthest away I heard. So we had a
Speaker 1: couple of people from BC, Saskatchewan and even Florida. So
Speaker 1: this is like a wide area, right, like, all in
Speaker 1: the same week. It's really bizarre, all with different climates too.
Speaker 1: It's not like we all have the exact same weather.
Speaker 2: Well. I also find it interesting that I mean it
Speaker 2: was being seen on other coasts, like both sides of
Speaker 2: your country.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, very weird stuff. So I think we
Speaker 1: have enough testimony there to gather that something was afoot
Speaker 1: something why we can't say for sure. Definitely weird. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it gave us the idea, Like, you know, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if the government is up to some shady
Speaker 1: ship as they have been in the past, right, I guess.
Speaker 2: And I guess maybe we can get up to some
Speaker 2: of the cities stuff in the past.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's look at it.
Speaker 2: And after talking about it, and after talking about the fog,
Speaker 2: what other better way to start it off with.
Speaker 3: Operation Sea Spray BINGO.
Speaker 2: Was the US Navy sere biological wolf air experiment using Sarascia.
Speaker 3: And Marcus enns.
Speaker 2: And Baccalus or whatever whatever. You look at the screen,
Speaker 2: there's some type of bacteria. I thought I was talking
Speaker 2: about Sarachia, So yeah, I'm just not even trying. Operation
Speaker 2: Sea Spray was a nineteen fifty US Navy secret biological
Speaker 2: warfare experiment in which this bacteria was sprayed over the
Speaker 2: San Francisco Bay area in California in order to determine
Speaker 2: how vulnerable a city like San Francisco may be to
Speaker 2: wait bio weapon attack. Starting on September twentieth, nineteen fifty
Speaker 2: and continuing until September twenty seventh, the US Navy released
Speaker 2: two types of bacteria from a ship off the shore
Speaker 2: of San Francisco, believing them to be harmless to humans
Speaker 2: based on results from my enterering equipment at forty three
Speaker 2: locations around the city.
Speaker 3: I mean, just think about that.
Speaker 2: They set up forty three monitoring locations around the city.
Speaker 2: The Army determined that San Francisco had received enough of
Speaker 2: a dose for nearly all of the city's eight thousand
Speaker 2: residents to inhale at least five thousand of the particles
Speaker 2: the Senate Subcommittee hearings. In nineteen seventy seven, the un
Speaker 2: US Senate Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research held a
Speaker 2: series of hearings at which the US Army disclosed the
Speaker 2: existence of the tests. Army officials noted that the pneumonia
Speaker 2: outbreak in their testimony, but said any link to their
Speaker 2: experiments was totally coincidental. The Army pointed out that no
Speaker 2: other hospitals reported similar outbreaks, and all eleven victims had
Speaker 2: urinary tract infections following medical procedures, suggesting that the source
Speaker 2: of their infections lay inside the hospital. Law strouit. In
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, Nevin's surviving family members filed lost IT
Speaker 2: against the federal government, alleging negligence and responsibility for the
Speaker 2: death of Edward J. Nevin, as well as financial and
Speaker 2: emotional harm cause to the Nevin's wife from the medical
Speaker 2: course blah blah blah, but uh and that also got overturned.
Speaker 2: They did lose that, but somebody has tried taking them
Speaker 2: to court because of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this might be more about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Between nineteen forty nine and nineteen sixty nine, open
Speaker 2: air tests of biological agents were conducted two hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty nine times. In eighty of those experiments, the Army
Speaker 2: said it used live bacteria that its researchers at the
Speaker 2: time thought were harmless.
Speaker 5: So again they thought this secres harmless.
Speaker 2: Then again it's like, well, why the fuck are you
Speaker 2: even testing it? Like did you think it was going
Speaker 2: to give positive? Uh?
Speaker 3: What am I looking for side effects?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like what kind of like if you're
Speaker 2: looking for side effects, if you're looking for reactions to it,
Speaker 2: I mean, is that actually is that positive at all?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Or like if they want to.
Speaker 2: Just take cured people of illnesses, like, there's nothing positive
Speaker 2: I think about that at all.
Speaker 1: Right, Or like if they just want to test particle inhalation,
Speaker 1: why don't they just use like water vapor? Then yeah,
Speaker 1: something like really safe.
Speaker 2: In the nineteen fifties, Army researchers dispersed zinc cadmium sulfide,
Speaker 2: known as a known cancer causing agent, over Minnesota and
Speaker 2: other Midwestern states to see how far they would spread
Speaker 2: in the atmosphere. The particles were detected more than one
Speaker 2: thousand miles away in New York State. And then this
Speaker 2: bacalus or Vassalus whatever, the same thing that was mentioned
Speaker 2: to here, never shown to be harmful to people, was
Speaker 2: released in San Francisco.
Speaker 3: Again that I just mentioned, New.
Speaker 2: York, Washington, DC, and along the Pennsylvania Turnpike, among other places.
Speaker 2: In New York, military researchers in nineteen sixty six again
Speaker 2: spread that stuff, also believed to be harmless, in the
Speaker 2: subway system, by dropping light bulbs filled with bacteria onto
Speaker 2: tracks in stations in midtown Manhattan.
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 2: The bacteria were carried from miles throughout the subway system.
Speaker 2: Army officials concluded in a January nineteen sixty eight report
Speaker 2: that similar covert attacks with a pathogenic disease causing agent
Speaker 2: during peak traffic periods could be expected to expose large
Speaker 2: numbers of people to infection and subsequent illness or death.
Speaker 2: In a May nineteen sixty five secret release of that
Speaker 2: baculous little big gie or whatever whatever, at Washington's National
Speaker 2: Airport and its Greyhound Lines bus terminal. More than one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty passengers were exposed to the bacteria, traveling
Speaker 2: to thirty nine cities in seven states in two weeks
Speaker 2: following the Marck attack.
Speaker 1: What what the hell? Just the way thing reminds me
Speaker 1: of like teenage mutant ninja turtles.
Speaker 2: And of course of course there's a rat involved, Master
Speaker 2: splinter man that you know what, and you know even
Speaker 2: my whole thing. Wow, mister Splinter, that really does go
Speaker 2: more into my whole idea of like when I say
Speaker 2: that when I use the light bulb, explain you know,
Speaker 2: putting the light bulb and then putting a like a
Speaker 2: spaghetti strainer over it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: When I say that, like every man and every woman
Speaker 2: is a star, Like at that point, that's when we're
Speaker 2: separated from the source and turned into a star. You
Speaker 2: could say we're splintered away from me.
Speaker 3: So I'm starry, would be rats, I don't know.
Speaker 2: The time. Allegations of violin the warfare in the Korean War.
Speaker 2: Now again this is allegations. It's even saying allegations, but
Speaker 2: I threw this in there anyway. Allegations that the United
Speaker 2: States military used biological weapons in the Korean War between
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty In June to July of nineteen fifty three,
Speaker 2: were raised by the governments of People's Republic of China,
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union, and North Korea. The claims were first
Speaker 2: raised in nineteen fifty one. The story was covered by
Speaker 2: the worldwide press and led to highly publicized international investigation.
Speaker 2: In nineteen fifty two, Secretary of State Dan Akison, Atchison
Speaker 2: and other American and Allied government officials denounced the allegations
Speaker 2: as a hoax. Subsequent scholars are split about the truth
Speaker 2: of the claims. Until the end of World War II,
Speaker 2: Japan operated a covert biological and chemical warfare research and
Speaker 2: development unit called Unit thirty seven three to one in Harbon,
Speaker 2: now China. The unit's activities, including human experimentation, were documented
Speaker 2: by the Kabarovsk war crime trials conducted by the Soviet
Speaker 2: Union in December of nineteen forty nine. However, at that time,
Speaker 2: the US government described the trials as a vicious and
Speaker 2: unfounded propaganda. It was later revealed that the accusations made
Speaker 2: against the Japanese military were correct. The West government had
Speaker 2: taken over the research at the end of the war
Speaker 2: and had covered up the program. Leaders of the Unit
Speaker 2: seven thirty one were exempted from war crimes prosecution by
Speaker 2: the United States and then placed on the payroll of
Speaker 2: the United.
Speaker 1: States come On.
Speaker 2: The thirtieth of June nineteen fifties, soon after the outbreak
Speaker 2: of the Korean War, the US Defense Secretary George Marshall
Speaker 2: received the report of the Committee on Chemical, Biological and
Speaker 2: Radiological Warfare and recommend Nations, which advocated urgent development of
Speaker 2: a biological weapons program. The Biological Weapons Research Facility at
Speaker 2: Fort Dietrich, Maryland was expanded, and a new one in
Speaker 2: Pine Bluffs, Arkansas was developed.
Speaker 1: So wow, yeah, the sixties were jump in time. Jeez, like, well.
Speaker 2: You know what too, And I think, to be totally
Speaker 2: honest with you, a lot of this stuff probably all
Speaker 2: flew under the whole guys of World War two. We
Speaker 2: have to become military aust you know, Matila, we have
Speaker 2: to grow our military. We need all this shit. You know,
Speaker 2: it's all done under the guise of we need to
Speaker 2: protect ourselves and make sure we're ready for the bad
Speaker 2: guy when it comes, right, So you actually get people
Speaker 2: like probably okay with oh yeah, we need to do
Speaker 2: all this stuff, you know. But yeah, I feel like
Speaker 2: after World War two was even like yeah, like I
Speaker 2: think we kind of blew up when it came to
Speaker 2: even I don't know if we had this stuff prior
Speaker 2: or you know what I'm saying, and then coming out
Speaker 2: admitting we have it, but whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be right. I just feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of technology.
Speaker 3: And starts and booming around then.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nas media, like a lot of stuff really just
Speaker 1: ramped up exponentially like post World War two, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure we could speculate on Jesus for that.
Speaker 2: This is the fact that the Nazis came over here bringing
Speaker 2: their magic and electricity.
Speaker 1: Nazis never died. My favorite hashtag that I used ironically
Speaker 1: on Instagram, He's never died.
Speaker 2: I still hear some of the allegations from that too.
Speaker 2: During nineteen fifty one, as the war turned against the
Speaker 2: United States, the Chinese and North Koreans made vague allegations of.
Speaker 3: Biological warfare, but these were not pursued.
Speaker 2: General Matthew Ridgeway, the United States come into their Korea
Speaker 2: denounced the initial charges as early as May nineteen fifty one.
Speaker 2: He accused the Communists of spreading lies, and a few
Speaker 2: days later, Vice Admiral Charles Turner Joy repeated the denials.
Speaker 2: On January twenty eighth, nineteen fifty two, the Chinese People's
Speaker 2: Volunteer Army Headquarters received the report of a smallpox outbreak
Speaker 2: southeast of Incheon. From February to March nineteen fifty two,
Speaker 2: more bulletins reported disease outbreaks in the area of corn.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to say this one Yang
Speaker 2: Yang kim hua.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, maybe I can't see your screens, cha.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The Chinese soon became concerned that when thirteen Korean
Speaker 2: and sixteen Chinese soldiers contracted kolaria in the plague, while
Speaker 2: another forty four recently deceased were tested positive for meningitis.
Speaker 2: Although the Chinese and North Koreans did not know exactly
Speaker 2: how the soldiers contacted the diseases, the suspicions soon.
Speaker 5: Fought on the Americans.
Speaker 2: So whatever, there was just some sage shady shit going
Speaker 2: on with that. When the International Red Cross and the
Speaker 2: World Health Walk Organization ruled out biological warfare, the Chinese
Speaker 2: government denounced them as being biased by the influence of
Speaker 2: the US and arranged and arranged an investigation by the
Speaker 2: Soviet affiliated World Peace Council. It's just funny, how like,
Speaker 2: you know, then somebody else was even saying that to
Speaker 2: who was being biased?
Speaker 3: But now, yeah, now forget about that exactly.
Speaker 2: The World Peace Council set up the International Scientific Commission
Speaker 2: for the Facts concerning Bacterial Warfare in China and Korea.
Speaker 2: The main reason I even just wanted to pull this
Speaker 2: up is because I just wanted to point out that
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting, how you know, other countries
Speaker 2: in the past have said that maybe that who was
Speaker 2: just talking shit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, playing things out to their own game.
Speaker 2: Right, And I'm not reading this office just showing that
Speaker 2: the counter claims, you know, the US the whole time
Speaker 2: basically always just said this as a hoax or it's propaganda,
Speaker 2: you know. So like again, that's why I said, it's
Speaker 2: just an allegation. Actually spend too much time on that
Speaker 2: to make shured. But this from Minneapolis to Saint Louis.
Speaker 2: The military tested how biological or chemical weapon would spread
Speaker 2: throughout the country by spraying bacteria as well as various
Speaker 2: chemical powders, including an especially controversial one called zinc cadmium sulfide.
Speaker 2: I think it was part of this. I think does
Speaker 2: go into what I read before. Low flying airplanes would
Speaker 2: take off sometimes near the Canadian border and they would
Speaker 2: fly down through the Midwest, dropping their payloads over cities.
Speaker 2: The sprayers were tested on the ground too, with machines
Speaker 2: that would release clouds from city rooftops or intersections to
Speaker 2: see how they spread.
Speaker 1: Wow, so releasing clouds from the tops of buildings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what prevent suspicion?
Speaker 2: That military pretended that they were testing a way to
Speaker 2: mask the whole city in order to protect it. They
Speaker 2: told city officials that the tests involved efforts to measure
Speaker 2: ability to lay smoke screens about the city to hide
Speaker 2: in case of a nuclear attack. According to Cole's account,
Speaker 2: was this like Spy Hunter when you throw out the
Speaker 2: smoke screen to lose the guy behind you. Remember that
Speaker 2: video you can throw Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, But imagine if you're like in a plane
Speaker 1: and you want to bomb a city, wouldn't you have
Speaker 1: like radar or a map at the least, like you
Speaker 1: know where the city is, even if it's covered in
Speaker 1: a blanket of fog. You still know if you drop
Speaker 1: a bomb it's gonna hit that city.
Speaker 3: Oh well, now you just notice to go where the
Speaker 3: fog is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2: The potential toxicity of that controversial compound, zincadmi in sulfate
Speaker 2: is debated, but some people say it can cause cancer.
Speaker 2: The air tests were conducted around the country as part
Speaker 2: as an operation Large Area Coverage. There was evidence that
Speaker 2: the powder, after it was released, would be then located
Speaker 2: a day or two later as far away as twelve
Speaker 2: hundred miles. There was a sense that you could really
Speaker 2: blanket the country with a similar agent. In nineteen sixty six,
Speaker 2: his study of the vulnerability vulnerability of the subway passengers
Speaker 2: in New York City to covert attack with biological agents,
Speaker 2: and I mentioned this before. The New York subway system
Speaker 2: experiments are among the most shocking in terms of the
Speaker 2: numbers of people exposed. To call a Guy's writing this
Speaker 2: and a field tests called a Study of the Vulnerability
Speaker 2: of Subway Passengers in New York City to Covert attack
Speaker 2: with Biological agents. Military officials tried to see how easy
Speaker 2: it would be to unleash biological weapons using the New
Speaker 2: York City subway.
Speaker 3: Again, they would.
Speaker 2: Break light bulbs full of bacteria on the tracks to
Speaker 2: see how they would spread through the city.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: If you can get trillions of bacteria into a light
Speaker 2: bulb and throw it on the track as a train
Speaker 2: pulls into a station, they'll get pulled through the air
Speaker 2: as the.
Speaker 5: Train leaves, which makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even if you I think if anybody saw that
Speaker 2: movie Morbius that came out not too long ago. I
Speaker 2: even think when the guy's like flying around, he even
Speaker 2: uses like the trainer. I think he might be in
Speaker 2: front of the train, but like using the air pressure
Speaker 2: from the machine to actually help him travel.
Speaker 1: The force.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the force, because when golf people as trains pulled away,
Speaker 2: but documents say that they brushed their clothing, looked up
Speaker 2: at the grating apron and walked on, nobody was concerned.
Speaker 2: In a nineteen ninety five Newsday's story, reporter Dennis Duggan
Speaker 2: contacted a retired Army scientist, Charles Sinsony, who had testified
Speaker 2: about the experiments to his Senate to subcommittee in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy five. In his testimony, he explained that one light
Speaker 2: bulb full of bacteria dropped at fourteenth Street easily spread
Speaker 2: the bacteria to at least fifty eighth Street, it's forty
Speaker 2: four fucking streets. That shit traveled through the fucking subway system. Wow,
Speaker 2: that's what And if what is that? What if that's
Speaker 2: only that one light bulb, one lip bulb?
Speaker 3: What do you need? Like a dozen and you just
Speaker 3: have the whole subway done?
Speaker 2: But he declined to reveal anything to the newsday reporter.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get near this, And he said
Speaker 2: to the guy, I testified because I was told I
Speaker 2: had to by the people at the Department of Defense.
Speaker 2: So suppose this guy's even told I was told to
Speaker 2: shut up. Experiments continued in New York for six days,
Speaker 2: again using that bacillus known as the Basilli's globbagie. A
Speaker 2: paper from the National Academy of Sciences analyzing military experiments
Speaker 2: noted that the be globigie is now considered a pathogen
Speaker 2: and is often a cause of food poisoning. Infections are
Speaker 2: rarely known to be fatal. The reporter said, though fatal
Speaker 2: cases have occurred. Yeah, I think I went back that
Speaker 2: one because I had a little bit more than like
Speaker 2: what I originally had. Now on through something completely new,
Speaker 2: we have Operation top Hat. Operation top Hat was a
Speaker 2: local field exercise conducted by the United States Army Chemical
Speaker 2: Corps in nineteen fifty three. The exercise involved the use
Speaker 2: of Chemical Corps personnel to test biological and chemical warfare
Speaker 2: decontamination methods. These personnel were deliberately exposed to these contaminants
Speaker 2: so as to test decontamination background. In nineteen fifty three,
Speaker 2: the United States formally adopted guidelines regarding the regarding the
Speaker 2: use of human subjects and chemical, biological, or radio testing
Speaker 2: and research. The guidelines were adopted per and Army Chief
Speaker 2: of Staff Memo MM three eighty five and closely mirrored
Speaker 2: their Nerve code. These guidelines also required that all research
Speaker 2: projects involving human subjects receive approval from the Secretary of
Speaker 2: the Army. The guidelines, however, left a loophole. They did
Speaker 2: not define what types of experiments and tests required such
Speaker 2: approval for the Secretary, thus encouraging selective compliance with the guidelines.
Speaker 1: Oh wow ye the.
Speaker 3: Tests under the test.
Speaker 2: Under the guidelines, seven research projects involving chemical weapons and
Speaker 2: human subjects were submitted by the Chemical Corps for Secretary
Speaker 2: or the Army approval in August of nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 2: One project involved vesicants and one involved bosgen phos g
Speaker 2: E n E.
Speaker 1: That's what you mentioned before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and five were experiments which involved nerve agents. All
Speaker 2: seven were approved. Operation top Hat, however, was not among
Speaker 2: the projects submitted to the Secretary of the Army for approval.
Speaker 2: For approval, Operation top Hat was turned as a local
Speaker 2: field exercise by the Army and took place from September
Speaker 2: fifteenth to the nineteenth nineteen fifty three at the Army
Speaker 2: Chemical School at Fort McLain, Alabama. In nineteen seventy five
Speaker 2: Pentagon Inspector General's report, the military maintained top Hat was
Speaker 2: not subject to the guidelines requiring approval because it was
Speaker 2: in a line of duty exercise in the Chemical Corps.
Speaker 2: The experiments used chemical corpse personnel to test decontamination methods
Speaker 2: for biological and chemical weapons, including mustard gas and nerve agents.
Speaker 2: Chemical corpse personnel participating in the tests were not volunteers
Speaker 2: and were not informed of the tests.
Speaker 1: Wow, it seems to be a common theme a lack
Speaker 1: of informed consent.
Speaker 2: Here we have the Holmesburg program from approximate nineteen fifty
Speaker 2: one to nineteen seventy four, the Holmesburg Prison in Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: was the site of extensive dermatological research operations using prisoners
Speaker 2: as subjects, led by doctor Albert N. Kligman of the
Speaker 2: University of Pennsylvania. The studies were performed on behalf of
Speaker 2: Dow Chemical Company, the US Army and Johnson and Johnson
Speaker 2: oh WOW. Dow Chemical wanted to study the health effects
Speaker 2: of dioxin and other herbicides to discover how they affect
Speaker 2: human skin because workers at its chemical plants.
Speaker 3: Were developing chloracne.
Speaker 2: In the study, Clingman applied about the same amount of
Speaker 2: dioxin as to which down ployees were being exposed. In
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty and nineteen eighty one, some of the people
Speaker 2: who were used in the study sued Professor Kligman because
Speaker 2: they were suffering from a variety of health problems, including
Speaker 2: lupus and psychological damage WOW. Kligman later continued his dioxin studies,
Speaker 2: increasing the dosage of diaxin which he applied to the
Speaker 2: skin of ten prisoners to seventy five hundred milligrams of diaxin,
Speaker 2: which is four hundred and sixty times the dosage that
Speaker 2: the that the Dow Chemical official Jared Krow had authorized
Speaker 2: him to administer. So like now they're even like, you know,
Speaker 2: four hundred and sixty eight times the allowed you know dosage.
Speaker 1: It's not not only are you experimenting now taking it
Speaker 1: into your own hands and jacking it up right.
Speaker 2: The Holmesburg program paid hundreds of inmates and nominal stipend
Speaker 2: to test a wide range of cosmetic products and chemical
Speaker 2: compounds whose health effects were unknown at the time.
Speaker 5: So yeah, a lot of people, uh weird, very weird, and.
Speaker 2: We have some expire experiments involving other radioactive materials. Again,
Speaker 2: immediately after World War Two, researchers at Vanderbilt University gave
Speaker 2: eight hundred and twenty nine pregnant mothers in Tennessee what
Speaker 2: they were told were vitamin drinks that would improve the
Speaker 2: health of their babies.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: The mixtures contained radioactive iron, and researchers were determining how
Speaker 2: fast the radio radio, radio sotope or whatever crossed into
Speaker 2: the placenta.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: For the women's babies died from cancers as a result
Speaker 2: of experiments, and women experienced rashes, bruises, anemia, hair and
Speaker 2: tooth loss, and cancer. From nineteen forty six to nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty three, the Walter E. Fernald State School in Massachusetts
Speaker 2: and an experimental sponsored an experiment. In an experiment sponsored
Speaker 2: by the US Atomic Energy Commission and the Quaker Oats Corporation,
Speaker 2: seventy three mentally disabled children were fed oatmeal containing radioactive
Speaker 2: calcium and other radiotopes to track how nutrients were digested.
Speaker 2: The children were not told they were being fed radioactive chemicals.
Speaker 2: They were told by hospital staff and researchers. Researchers that
Speaker 2: they were joining a science club.
Speaker 1: Oh my God.
Speaker 2: The University of California Hospital in San Francisco and exposed
Speaker 2: twenty nine patients with the rheumatoid arthritis to total body
Speaker 2: irritation one to three hundred rad dose to attain to
Speaker 2: obtain data for the military. In the nineteen fifties, researchers
Speaker 2: at the Medical College of Virginia performed the experiments on
Speaker 2: severe burn victims, most of them pour and black, without
Speaker 2: their knowledge of consent, with funding from the Army and
Speaker 2: in collaboration with the AEC. In the experiments, the subjects
Speaker 2: were exposed to additional burning, experimental antibiotic treatment, and in
Speaker 2: injections of radioactive isotopes. The amount of radioactive phosphorus thirty
Speaker 2: two injected into some of these patients five hundred microcuries.
Speaker 5: In parentheses nineteen MBq.
Speaker 2: No idea what any of that means, but it was
Speaker 2: fifty times the acceptable dose for a healthy individual. For
Speaker 2: people with severe burns, this likely led to significantly increased
Speaker 2: death rates. Between nineteen forty eight and nineteen fifty four,
Speaker 2: funded by the federal government, researchers at the John Hopkins
Speaker 2: Hospital inserted radium rods into the noses of five hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty two Baltimore, Maryland school children as an alternative
Speaker 2: as an alternative to I don't even know what this
Speaker 2: word was, I had anoidectomy.
Speaker 1: Oh, add an activity when you get your adenoids removed.
Speaker 2: Similar experiments were performed over seven thousand US Army and
Speaker 2: Navy personal personnel during World War Two. Nasal radium irridation
Speaker 2: became a standard medical treatment and was used in over
Speaker 2: two and a half million Americans. In another study, at
Speaker 2: the Walter E. Fernald State School in nineteen fifty six,
Speaker 2: researchers gave mentally disabled children radioactive calcium orally and intravenously.
Speaker 2: They also injected radioactive chemicals into malnourished babies and then
Speaker 2: collected cerebrospinal fluid for analysis and their brains and spines.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Jesus.
Speaker 2: Nineteen sixty one and nineteen sixty two, ten Utah State
Speaker 2: Prison inmates had blood samples taken which were mixed with
Speaker 2: radioactive chemicals and reinjected back into their bodies.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: The US Atomic Energy Commission funded the Massachusets Institute of
Speaker 2: Technology to administer radium twenty two two four and thorium
Speaker 2: two three four to twenty people between nineteen sixty one
Speaker 2: and nineteen sixty five. Many were chosen from the Age
Speaker 2: Center of New England and had volunteered for research projects
Speaker 2: on the aging. Doses were zero point two to two
Speaker 2: point four microcuries. Then that has seven point four dish crazy
Speaker 2: eights eight eight point eight of course for radium and
Speaker 2: one point two whatever.
Speaker 5: That's just tonya. How much was given. Yeah, that's some
Speaker 5: weird stuff. I just wanted to to us in very weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the stuff with kids, honestly, and like you know
Speaker 1: disabled or like mentally you know, challenged people. It really
Speaker 1: bothers me, like, not nothing, none of it, it all
Speaker 1: bothers me. But you know that part, it's like it's
Speaker 1: hard to hear honestly.
Speaker 2: And then I have here. Early in the evening of
Speaker 2: December two, nineteen forty nine, General Electric officials, in conjunction
Speaker 2: with representatives from the Department of Defense and the Atomic
Speaker 2: Energy Commission AEC, unleashed the largest single known incident of
Speaker 2: intentional radioactive contamination at the Hanford site, known as the
Speaker 2: Green Run. This fuel processing experiment utilized raw irritated uranium
Speaker 2: fuel elements cooled for only about sixteen days only before
Speaker 2: dissolving in acid. Under normal conditions, irritated fuel would be
Speaker 2: cold for at least eighty three to two hundred and
Speaker 2: one days to allow short lived radioactive materials such as
Speaker 2: iodine one to three to one to sufficiently decay before
Speaker 2: processing and subsequent release.
Speaker 5: Into the environment.
Speaker 2: The formerly classified classified report Dissolving of twenty Day Metal
Speaker 2: at Hanford states that the Hanford officials initially planned to
Speaker 2: release approximately four thousand curies of iodine thirty one and
Speaker 2: seventy nine hundred curies of xenon one thirty three, but
Speaker 2: ended up releasing in actuality seven thousand, seven hundred and
Speaker 2: eighty kurons of iodine one thirty one, along with twenty
Speaker 2: thousand kurons a quries of xenon one thirty three into
Speaker 2: the surrounding area's atmosphere with a seven hour period. In comparison,
Speaker 2: the March nineteen seventy nine Three Mile Island incident released
Speaker 2: between fifteen and twenty four curies of radioactive iodine the
Speaker 2: Green Operation. The Green Run Operation remained classified and unspinnownst
Speaker 2: to the public until nineteen eighty six, the release of
Speaker 2: nineteen hundred formally classified documents became available due to their Freedom
Speaker 2: of Information Act. So at the beginning of the release,
Speaker 2: air scrubbers used to filter an estimated ninety percent of
Speaker 2: the radio ad radioiodine from the affluent gas were intentionally
Speaker 2: deactivated to minimize No, sorry, we were intentionally deactivated to
Speaker 2: maximize So even in here, I think what they're saying
Speaker 2: is that they even took out some of their filters
Speaker 2: and stuff to make sure that this stuff spread the best. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the g's released into the atmosphere. Air Force planes equipped
Speaker 2: with air sampling radiological measuring devices monitored the movement of
Speaker 2: the radiation until late in the afternoon on December third, WOW.
Speaker 2: The overall pattern of deposited iodine one thirty one on
Speaker 2: ground vegetation extended in a long gated shape about forty
Speaker 2: miles wide and two hot one hundred miles long, lying
Speaker 2: northeast and southwest of the Hanford site.
Speaker 5: So this shit spread pretty far.
Speaker 2: They really knew what they were doing, and they're trying
Speaker 2: to as best as they could.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Uh, here we have the cloak of concealment about busted
Speaker 2: gas exposure experienced by World War II servicemen continue for decades.
Speaker 2: Department of Veteran Affairs the VA noted on their website
Speaker 2: that volunteers, soldiers, and sailors were participants in Department of
Speaker 2: War experiments during the war. The experiments were for purposes
Speaker 2: of testing clothing, skin ointments, and other protective apparatus to
Speaker 2: determine their efficiency well they worked. In the event of
Speaker 2: enemy mustard gas attacks, more than sixty thousand servicemen were affected,
Speaker 2: some seriously. In The National Toxicology Program of Health and
Speaker 2: Human Services has outlined three types of mustard guess experiments
Speaker 2: on the military and World War two patch or drop
Speaker 2: tests on the skin, closed chamber tests, and open field tests.
Speaker 2: The greatest amount of full body system exposure occurred in
Speaker 2: the chamber in field tests outfitted with protective clothing. Participants
Speaker 2: were placed in a guest chamber for an hour or
Speaker 2: more until penetration of the clothing occurred. This penetration often
Speaker 2: resulted in moderate to severe chemical burns. The protocol for
Speaker 2: the field test consisted of placing men in open ground
Speaker 2: areas that became saturated with mustard gas. Some more protective
Speaker 2: clothing and apparatus, but others were left exposed. Experimentation took
Speaker 2: place in numerous sites across America. A variety of the
Speaker 2: tests were performed at arsenals and bases. Edgewood Arsenal and
Speaker 2: MD Camp Sibert, Alabama, and Bushnell Field, Florida, I know,
Speaker 2: and doug Way Proving Grounds, Utah. Yeah. Well, with the
Speaker 2: Florida and Utah, I find that interesting, that is it
Speaker 2: could connect to moments. But the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. And some universities, including the University of Chicago.
Speaker 2: One open field test on Puerto Ricans was done outside
Speaker 2: the United States and remote San Jose Island, Panama Canal Zone.
Speaker 2: You know, And I think I left it out, but
Speaker 2: I will mention it here. Damn. I don't know why
Speaker 2: I left it out because I thought it was a
Speaker 2: really interesting one you can even look up to. I
Speaker 2: can't remember the year it happened, it was a while ago,
Speaker 2: you can look up. The Pentagon at one point even
Speaker 2: went to go test something and they literally tested it
Speaker 2: in their own building. What They pumped the stuff through
Speaker 2: the air systems and one of the wings of the
Speaker 2: Pentagon to see how the people would react to whatever
Speaker 2: thet So like, the government literally tested it on inside
Speaker 2: one of their own places. They pushed it through the
Speaker 2: air vents system and one wing of the Pentagon to
Speaker 2: test something. I was just like, yo, they even did
Speaker 2: it to like in their.
Speaker 1: Own building themselves. Yeah, right, ruthless, that's crazy. That's a
Speaker 1: lot and there's probably more than what you found.
Speaker 2: No, there was, Yeah, there was, But I just honestly,
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure how long you would take, and I
Speaker 2: didn't want to go on too long. But I said,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that they were going to do a
Speaker 2: part two, so if there was any.
Speaker 5: Anything interesting, maybe I would edit in in the next one.
Speaker 3: But I think just I mean this, you.
Speaker 1: Know, well, yeah, it just gives us an idea that
Speaker 1: obviously they're not afraid to experiment on us.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, so all that stuff I happened to come
Speaker 2: across because of being inspired by this weird fog that rolled.
Speaker 3: It made me thinks the mist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's funny too, So the fog, you know,
Speaker 1: the mystery fog we're talking about, was beginning of November,
Speaker 1: and then shortly after. I remember because that Netflix show
Speaker 1: that I'm obsessed with, eighteen ninety nine, it came out
Speaker 1: November seventeenth, the same of course, on the seventeenth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something I looking for my seventeenth series movies coming
Speaker 2: in on the seventeenth.
Speaker 1: Yes, and the third episode is called the Fog, and
Speaker 1: that's the episode where people start dying.
Speaker 2: Well that would make sense with the number three as well.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I know, I was just looking it up
Speaker 1: as you were talking because I'm like, I know there's
Speaker 1: an episode called the Fog, but I couldn't remember which
Speaker 1: one or what happens in it specifically. So yeah, there's that.
Speaker 1: And then also how you were talking about so much
Speaker 1: like radioactive experiments, right, like with radiation and isotopes. Also
Speaker 1: by the same people who made eighteen ninety nine, they
Speaker 1: also made a series called Dark which is from like
Speaker 1: a few years ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's how you connected the books. I know you
Speaker 2: were both. You were telling me that because I know, yeah,
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety nine, and then you mentioned Dark and I
Speaker 2: was like, I think I tried watching it. I'll have
Speaker 2: to try it again because I'm really not big into
Speaker 2: the subtitles, but I gotta try it.
Speaker 1: It's I mail. The subtitles are a bit annoying. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I like subtitles because I can fully like capture the
Speaker 1: dialogue sometimes, like the dialogue is so quiet, but.
Speaker 2: The voices don't match though either.
Speaker 1: Right, Sometimes, Yeah, that's true. That's true, except.
Speaker 3: Which I thoroughly enjoyed.
Speaker 2: For some reason, I guess maybe I dealt with it
Speaker 2: for that show.
Speaker 3: Because I really like that show.
Speaker 2: But a lot of times when I find something on
Speaker 2: Netflix like that, I just I don't know. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: because it's like I have to pay attention and it
Speaker 2: can't be doing this.
Speaker 1: Both the shows are dubbed in English, so you have
Speaker 1: the audio too, but the subtitles are there, which I
Speaker 1: find helpful. But I bring up Dark as well, but
Speaker 1: made by the same people as eighteen ninety nine, because
Speaker 1: the whole thing takes place in a small German town
Speaker 1: that has a nuclear power plant. And all like the
Speaker 1: weird stuff that happens. Because it was a radiation in
Speaker 1: their tunnels, they can like time travel in thirty three
Speaker 1: year cycles before backwards or forwards three years. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you need to watch the show, and we
Speaker 1: need to cover it. It's pretty intense. But I just
Speaker 1: found it weird that, you know, we've got fog and
Speaker 1: radiation in those two shows made by the same people.
Speaker 1: So interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a whole yeah, might have might have that,
Speaker 2: so we tried to check that out. Now I have
Speaker 2: those two where I'm keep keep being told I got
Speaker 2: to watch oh.
Speaker 1: A, yeah, yeah, Liza told me about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been having me tell me that probably after
Speaker 2: like six months of podcasting.
Speaker 3: When somebody actually wanted to talk to me.
Speaker 2: After that, you know, when somebody actually finally hit me
Speaker 2: up and actually was listening to my shit, I've been
Speaker 2: probably been told since then, like you have to check
Speaker 2: out oh way, and I have just not, like I know,
Speaker 2: for at least a year, I've been being told that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was the first time someone told me to
Speaker 1: watch it, So I was like, all right, I'll have
Speaker 1: to check it out. But yeah, so Canadian government does
Speaker 1: some shady shit as well, so we can go into
Speaker 1: that a little bit. I just thought of a few examples.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's more, you know, but some big ones
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me, going along the lines with
Speaker 1: the chemical warfare. I don't know if a lot of
Speaker 1: people know this, but there's a small town about two
Speaker 1: hours from Toronto called Elmira, Ontario, and they actually manufactured
Speaker 1: agent orange there for the Vietnam Wars. Yeah. Really weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And interestingly, when I was looking it up, I found
Speaker 1: that there was a film made in twenty twenty called
Speaker 1: Toxic time Bomb, which goes into like the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I was trying to be able to watch it, but
Speaker 1: I couldn't access it online just from what I found,
Speaker 1: but maybe the on like bitchoot or rumble, it's on there.
Speaker 2: Who knows they were making it in Canada, but for
Speaker 2: who though to use in Vietnam.
Speaker 1: For the US government. Yeah, so apparently August tenth.
Speaker 2: Is you do want to make that here?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah? It's like, oh, well, just let the lowly
Speaker 1: Canadians make this toxic shit for us. You guys can
Speaker 1: poison yourself when we go spray it on the Vietnamese.
Speaker 2: Fifty years from now, when everybody's dying or the crops
Speaker 2: don't grow there anymore, maybe they'll forget.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the problem, right. So apparently, like August
Speaker 1: tenth is Agent Orange Day. I did not know that,
Speaker 1: because that's the day that the United States sprayed the
Speaker 1: aerial spray first Innam Vietnam. So it is an herbicide,
Speaker 1: like you were mentioning, like experimenting with herbicides and whatnot.
Speaker 1: So from nineteen sixty one to seventy one, seventy five
Speaker 1: million leaders of Asian orange herbicide were sprayed on approximately
Speaker 1: twelve percent of South and Central Vietnam and also in
Speaker 1: neighboring islands like Laos, Cambodia and Thailand. So the damage
Speaker 1: it does, nearly five million people were affected by the
Speaker 1: spraying during the war, and children are still to this
Speaker 1: day being born with birth defects linked to the herbicides.
Speaker 1: So that's a long time. Yeah. Today in Vietnam, more
Speaker 1: than one hundred thousand children are the third and fourth
Speaker 1: generations of victims. Sadly, a lot of the Asian orange
Speaker 1: es in Vietnam was produced in Canada, and the legacy
Speaker 1: of its production still haunts us. Today, So that film
Speaker 1: Toxic time Bomb if anyone can find it details this,
Speaker 1: but the agent was made by Uniroyal Canada in Almira,
Speaker 1: which is a small farming community just outside Waterloo. More
Speaker 1: people might know where Waterloo is because there's a university there.
Speaker 1: So even into late nineteen eighty nine, seventeen years seventeen,
Speaker 1: after production had already stopped, Elmira was obliged to shut
Speaker 1: down its water supply because of the discovery of high
Speaker 1: levels of dangerous chemicals in their aquifer that flows under
Speaker 1: the town. So maybe not a direct experiment on Elmira citizens,
Speaker 1: but intended for citizen damage to foreigners. But I do
Speaker 1: have a friend who grew up in Elmira and she's
Speaker 1: very into like holistic health, you know all that. And
Speaker 1: she's convinced that like her brother is autistic because of
Speaker 1: the water in their town. She's convinced is like a
Speaker 1: lot of kids like have like you know, learning issues
Speaker 1: or like behavioral stuff. So she's she's convinced that that
Speaker 1: has something to do with it. And I'm like, maybe
Speaker 1: you never know, right, So Agent Orange was also widely
Speaker 1: used in Ontario as an herbicide for decades. I did
Speaker 1: not know that, and it may have also been used
Speaker 1: in other provinces and territories. And the Ontario government has
Speaker 1: admitted this itself. Wow yeah right, yeah, they admitted at
Speaker 1: some point when people have kind of forgotten about it,
Speaker 1: and then when people right, yeah, people like okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's true.
Speaker 2: So slipped that out when like gases at five dollars
Speaker 2: a gallon, So everybody's pissed off about that, and just whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't care what you totally, but by the way,
Speaker 1: you did this.
Speaker 2: What our government poison people on purpose, fucked the gases science.
Speaker 1: We can't afford electricity and gas, so we don't care.
Speaker 1: It's true, right. Apparently in two thousand and seven, the
Speaker 1: Canadian federal government made some payments to people whose health
Speaker 1: was affected by spraying Agent orange at a Canadian Air
Speaker 1: Force base engaged town, New Brunswick, so apparently engaged town
Speaker 1: at this uh you know, army base or whatever. Agent
Speaker 1: orange was sprayed as an experiment in June nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: six and June nineteen sixty seven. They also sprayed Agent
Speaker 1: purple and Agent white, which are other herbicides, and this
Speaker 1: was ordered by the US military to experiment on what
Speaker 1: would happen they sprayed on Canadian military.
Speaker 3: That you're talking about for a second, Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, that will be so fune.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a Twin Peaks season four.
Speaker 1: Maybe so they got the names from who knows, right, jeez. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But they have never found like disposed you know how
Speaker 1: they used to like dispose of radioactive wasted barrels or
Speaker 1: like environmental wasted barrels and they like bury it. So
Speaker 1: people are saying that, you know, they can't find evidence
Speaker 1: of anything being buried at Age Town. But apparently this
Speaker 1: did occur because people haven't paid out for damage front it,
Speaker 1: so it's not just a rumor. So weird. The Almira
Speaker 1: agent Orange thing, I found that really bizarre, and I
Speaker 1: had never heard of that till I met a girl
Speaker 1: who was from there and she had told me about
Speaker 1: it a couple of years back. Really weird shit. Another
Speaker 1: crazy thing that well in Orange is I believe one
Speaker 1: of the colors associated with freemasonry because it's the only
Speaker 1: color word that reduces to thirty three in Jamatria. Something
Speaker 1: like that. That's what I've heard. So I'm sure some
Speaker 1: people are probably familiar with abuses against the indigenous peoples
Speaker 1: of Canada by our lovely federal government, a lot of
Speaker 1: which occurred under our current Prime Minister Trudeau's father, Pierre
Speaker 1: Elliott Trudeau. A lot of that occurred under him and
Speaker 1: still continues today. But a big thing that happened, and
Speaker 1: you could classify the whole system as an experiment, was
Speaker 1: the residential school system. So that was when Indigenous children
Speaker 1: were put in these like boarding schools because they will
Speaker 1: often live in very remote reserve areas, you know, not
Speaker 1: easily accessible for teachers or like logistically it was hard
Speaker 1: to send them to school. So they set up under
Speaker 1: the guise of educating children, these residential schools, in part
Speaker 1: with the Catholic Church and other Christian churches, to educate
Speaker 1: Native children, but it was admitted much later by the
Speaker 1: government that it was to remove them from their indigenous roots,
Speaker 1: remove their language heritage and like their cultural heritage, so
Speaker 1: they become you know, like like whitified, I guess, you know, Canadianized,
Speaker 1: I suppose, and to kind of like train the native
Speaker 1: out of them.
Speaker 2: That sounds terrible that it sounds like honestly like even
Speaker 2: like you know, like luckstep ways of like you know,
Speaker 2: to tiptoe to change people. You get to change the
Speaker 2: family and religion, and you'll start changing totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so apparently, you know, the residential school thing is
Speaker 1: a huge topic all on its own. But some things
Speaker 1: that did happen in the residential schools pretending to like
Speaker 1: experimentation specifically was that they did malnutrition studies on children
Speaker 1: in the schools because these schools were notoriously underfunded by
Speaker 1: the govern on purpose and didn't have like proper nutrition
Speaker 1: even for the children at these boarding schools. Right. And
Speaker 1: it's funny because a friend of mine, she told me
Speaker 1: this story where she's from here, like from Toronto, and honestly,
Speaker 1: in Toronto, you don't see a lot of Native people
Speaker 1: like just walking around. It's mostly in like more rural
Speaker 1: areas of Canada. But she was walking by Lake Ontario
Speaker 1: and there was a group of Native men doing like
Speaker 1: a fire ceremony like just around this like small fire pit,
Speaker 1: and she kind of like walked past and was like
Speaker 1: kind of like looking at them curiously. So they struck
Speaker 1: up a conversation with her. And it was in like
Speaker 1: March twenty twenty, like when everything just started happening with
Speaker 1: COVID and whatnot, and they told her they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: the government is doing what they did to us, now
Speaker 1: they're going to do it to everyone. And that's what
Speaker 1: they told her back then, and she was like she
Speaker 1: didn't like really fully understand like what they were talking
Speaker 1: about yet, you know, but it's just like got goosebumps,
Speaker 1: like thinking back to that story. Pretty fucked up. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So the First Nation Nutrition experiments they were called. They
Speaker 1: were run by Health Canada from nineteen forty two to
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two and they were conducted on thirteen hundred
Speaker 1: Native people, one thousand of which were children. So deaths
Speaker 1: did occur in this program, and they're considered part of
Speaker 1: the genocide of the Indigenous people by the Government of Canada.
Speaker 1: They occurred in nutrient poor communities and included six residential
Speaker 1: schools in Alberta, Ontario, Nova Scotia, NBC, and also in
Speaker 1: a small community in Northern Manitoba. So the government of
Speaker 1: Canada was aware of the malnourishment in its residential schools
Speaker 1: and granted approval for the execution of nutritional experiments on children.
Speaker 1: It is now known that the primary cause of malnutrition
Speaker 1: in the schools was a direct cause of underfunding from
Speaker 1: the Canadian government. And it is interestingly enough, the experiments
Speaker 1: done on these children didn't provide a conclusion anyway. Uh,
Speaker 1: and nothing, no knowledge was gained from this other than
Speaker 1: you know, BS malnutrition causes death. Great, like we needed
Speaker 1: a study for that.
Speaker 2: Beestff on malnutrition kids too.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, you were mentioning.
Speaker 2: That advantage of people in like screwed up situations too.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah. So these experiments were conducted in sorry what
Speaker 1: I said in forty two to fifty two, but not
Speaker 1: brought to light in public till twenty thirteen by the
Speaker 1: research of a food historian. His name is doctor Ian Moseby.
Speaker 1: So really weird honestly, because I you know, I went
Speaker 1: to high school, university here. We didn't learn any of
Speaker 1: this in school. There's no mention. Maybe we mentioned residential
Speaker 1: schools like briefly in like grade ten history in like
Speaker 1: a paragraph, and that's it. I think children start to
Speaker 1: learn more about this now. I see it even in
Speaker 1: my kids curriculum, But we really don't know what the
Speaker 1: fuck was going on back then. So yeah, it occurred
Speaker 1: in these rural communities, and they were led by doctor
Speaker 1: Percy Moore and doctor Frederick Tisdale, and the research was
Speaker 1: sponsored by Indian Affairs, the Millbank Memorial Fund, the Royal
Speaker 1: Canadian Air Force, and the Hudson's Bay Company, which is
Speaker 1: like a huge department store.
Speaker 2: I've actually heard of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a big department store here. Why would a
Speaker 1: store be funding that? But okay, So apparently the initial
Speaker 1: goal of the survey was to investigate sustenance patterns and
Speaker 1: nutritional states of the indigenous people in these communities by
Speaker 1: administering physical examinations, blood tests, and X rays, so lo
Speaker 1: and behold. They found that there was grave malnutrition and
Speaker 1: people were of medical attention but did not receive it. Amazing.
Speaker 1: They noticed that, you know, this led to more tuberculosis
Speaker 1: stats and amongst like the Cree nation for example, compared
Speaker 1: to the non indigenous populations, and there were yeah, widespread
Speaker 1: Manutrician from the nineteen forties onwards. I wasn't gonna say,
Speaker 1: lost my spot here, so I just saiedit this out after.
Speaker 2: My bad No, sorry.
Speaker 1: Happens. I just want to see where I should pick
Speaker 1: up from.
Speaker 2: Oh an Orange, I was looking it up. It's one
Speaker 2: eighty three, three sixty and sixty, But I I don't know,
Speaker 2: like maybe running in a different way. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know there is plenty of ways of checking over in Jamatria.
Speaker 1: But I'm just going by what I heard. Honestly, I've
Speaker 1: never done it myself. I think Susan. Susan talks about
Speaker 1: it sometimes. Yeah. Okay, y'all pick up from here, ready, okay.
Speaker 1: So other experiments with indigenous children included deliberate withholding of
Speaker 1: milk rations to less than half the recommended amount for
Speaker 1: two years, providing some children with vitamins, iodine, and iron
Speaker 1: supplements but not others, the suppression of vitamin B one
Speaker 1: levels and students, and one school did not provide any
Speaker 1: supplements to kids at all in order to establish a
Speaker 1: baseline against switch. To compare the other results, some children
Speaker 1: were provided nutritional supplements such as riboflavin, thiamine, and ascorbic acid,
Speaker 1: some not at all, and of course no one knew
Speaker 1: who was getting what. The children didn't know who was
Speaker 1: getting what, nor their parents. Of course, a lot of
Speaker 1: children admitted later on as adults to stealing food elsewhere
Speaker 1: because they were so starved. They would like literally like
Speaker 1: run for mile to like steal food from farms, even
Speaker 1: go to the dump and take like rotting food and
Speaker 1: eat it. Yeah, And one person gave their testimony saying
Speaker 1: that their little sister would just cry when it was
Speaker 1: meal time at the residential school because the food was
Speaker 1: so disgusting. They even fed them some like mix of
Speaker 1: like flower but it like was like had toxic shit
Speaker 1: in it, and like it just tasted so bad. Like
Speaker 1: the kids did just cry, didn't even want to eat it.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's just terrible. Yeah. So in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight, this thing called the Truth and Reconciliation Commission
Speaker 1: was established. So that's supposed to like investigate, you know,
Speaker 1: these atrocities against the Indigenous people, especially the children in
Speaker 1: the residential school system, and it provided a space for
Speaker 1: people to give their testimony. Even the Pope had come,
Speaker 1: you know, and recently, I think this year he came
Speaker 1: to apologize on behalf of the Catholic Church for their
Speaker 1: role in the residential school system. Very interesting, but I
Speaker 1: think because of the commission, what's apologizing.
Speaker 2: For their role?
Speaker 3: Okay, what your role in that?
Speaker 1: Well that day were the ones the educators. But then
Speaker 1: also of course there was numerous sexual abuses and physical
Speaker 1: abuses detailed by a lot of the survivors of the
Speaker 1: school system. So not just nutritional abuses, yes, and that
Speaker 1: has you know, caused generations of trauma among the indigenous
Speaker 1: peoples of Canada and in their culture, it's torn families apart.
Speaker 1: Many children have died. It's terrible, honestly, and we truly
Speaker 1: don't learn about any of it in school. I think
Speaker 1: because now of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, kids will
Speaker 1: start learning about it a bit more. Like even my
Speaker 1: son who's in grade five, he knows about it a
Speaker 1: little bit. And I had never heard of it, you know,
Speaker 1: till like as an adult. So that's I guess good,
Speaker 1: you know, exposing it for what it is. So the
Speaker 1: last experiment I wanted to touch on in Canadian history
Speaker 1: is mk ultra, everyone's favorite conspiracy topic, and of course
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people listening are already familiar
Speaker 1: with what it is, so I won't go into it
Speaker 1: like in huge detail, but just to talk about it
Speaker 1: a little bit. We don't not only have the chemical attacks,
Speaker 1: physical food attacks. Now we have attacks on the mind, right,
Speaker 1: So these were called the Montreal experiments. So in the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, the US and Canada became more interested in
Speaker 1: mind control after the Korean war because North Korea, China,
Speaker 1: and the Soviet Union all used mind control techniques and
Speaker 1: drugs on American prisoners of war, and they felt that
Speaker 1: they needed to like catch up in this area. So
Speaker 1: they had a series of experiments initially aimed to treat
Speaker 1: schizophrenia through what's called deep patterning, which is basically erasing
Speaker 1: someone's memory and bringing them back to a childlike state
Speaker 1: in order to then build their personality back up through
Speaker 1: a process called psychic driving. Yeah. So basically a lot
Speaker 1: of the patients would have be forced to listen to
Speaker 1: repeated audio messages while given paralytic drugs so they couldn't
Speaker 1: move for up to sixteen hours a day. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely right. Yeah, so they had drug induce sleep electroconvulsive
Speaker 1: therapy for up to act seventy five times the normal intensity.
Speaker 1: Very intense, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Extremely That seems to go hand in hand with experiments
Speaker 2: besides taking advantage of people like oh really doing what's
Speaker 2: the recommend?
Speaker 1: Right, It's like, give this mad scientist who is just
Speaker 1: like more more like, at what.
Speaker 2: Point did you think, like, I mean, did you did
Speaker 2: you go from like we'll go a little bit over
Speaker 2: did you just straight gophers seventy five times, more like
Speaker 2: like yeah, you say, let's just.
Speaker 1: Start that, Like did I just want to see how
Speaker 1: high you can go about killing someone? Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I guess, Like what are you even testing for at
Speaker 1: that point? Anyways, They patients also experience sensory deprivation and
Speaker 1: drugs like LSD and thor zane thorsine, an antipsychotic drug. So,
Speaker 1: for example, through the process of depatterning and then psychic driving,
Speaker 1: a patient could get up to ten days sixteen hours
Speaker 1: a day of negative messages aimed at attacking a personality problem,
Speaker 1: followed by ten days of positive messaging to rebuild the personality.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah uh. All These experiments were conducted at McGill University
Speaker 1: between nineteen fifty seven to nineteen sixty four by Scottish
Speaker 1: psychiatrist Donald Ewen Cameron. It was funded by the Canadian
Speaker 1: government and the CIA as part of Project mk Ultra,
Speaker 1: and this was revealed to the public in nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 1: There is controversy though if doctor Cameron knew who was
Speaker 1: funding his experiments or not. Some people say, like he
Speaker 1: might not have known that it was CIA backed. What
Speaker 1: does it really matter? You're electric shocking people at like
Speaker 1: seventy five times the norm. So even still today, the
Speaker 1: topic of the Montreal experiments has been kept quiet by
Speaker 1: the CIA through destruction of files and non disclosure agreements.
Speaker 1: Of course, there are still people and families who have
Speaker 1: tried to like claim damages against the government, and I
Speaker 1: think I've read around three hundred claimants, but about two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty have been denied outright because they either
Speaker 1: didn't suffer enough or they couldn't provide like sufficient evidence
Speaker 1: of their suffering. Sounds ridiculous, honestly. Some of the patients
Speaker 1: did experience positive improvements in their schizophrenia, but then also
Speaker 1: suffered in extremely non humane ways. A lot of patients
Speaker 1: also developed retrograde amnesia, so they couldn't remember anything prior
Speaker 1: to the experiments, and I.
Speaker 2: Would actually think that might go along with actually wiping someone's.
Speaker 1: Brain totally I remember before. So the experiment was a
Speaker 1: big success.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, going by what you were just saying before,
Speaker 2: that sounds like what that would be a side effective
Speaker 2: at going correct, right, right, but.
Speaker 1: Then not being able to rebuild it properly would be
Speaker 1: a problem.
Speaker 2: Right. Oh yeah, to the person that the experimented on
Speaker 2: to them. This is all just information and figuring out
Speaker 2: how to make it better.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, like people were some some some cases so impaired
Speaker 1: that they couldn't even like take care of themselves anymore,
Speaker 1: like basic stuff.
Speaker 2: And of course at the end of one flew over
Speaker 2: the end of Jack Nicholson, Yeah, sort of like a
Speaker 2: vegetable yep, fried out and what happens the Indian escapes
Speaker 2: something to Oh shit, the indigenous people's story.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's such a good connection. Honestly, that's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It obviously had lasting effects on patients and families. And
Speaker 1: this was actually the topic of the nineteen sixty eight
Speaker 1: movie called The Sleep Room. It was these experiments. So
Speaker 1: I have not seen that movie of it, but I've
Speaker 1: heard of it. Yes, And of course similar methods were
Speaker 1: used by others to refine torture techniques, so some great
Speaker 1: therapeutics there.
Speaker 2: I wonder if the stuff that they did at Waco,
Speaker 2: if that would be considered like mk ultra torture technique,
Speaker 2: you know, like when they were like lasting music and
Speaker 2: like shining shit into the house to try to I
Speaker 2: think so like mentally break. I wonder if that would
Speaker 2: be considered kind of like kay culture in a sense,
Speaker 2: I try to psychologically break them down into submission.
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, absolutely, I think it's probably you know,
Speaker 1: they might have taken that information then applied the electromagnetic
Speaker 1: stuff to media like TV, phones or like.
Speaker 2: Just using Waco as an an example. I know they
Speaker 2: have done stuff like that to uh, you know, other
Speaker 2: other situations, but that's just a prime example, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I think you know, we even talked
Speaker 1: about that, I think a long time ago on the
Speaker 1: Spiritual Gangsters was like Jamie, we talked about like narcissism
Speaker 1: and like you know, developing like personalities through in like
Speaker 1: mass society and like forming like public opinion and thought
Speaker 1: through like trauma on TV. And fear is like a
Speaker 1: big source of trauma, right, So I wonder, yeah, if
Speaker 1: they take their the findings that they have in these experiments, right,
Speaker 1: and they study you know, like the human behavioral reactions
Speaker 1: to it, and then they can apply them on like
Speaker 1: a mass scale.
Speaker 2: And not even saying I even I even think that,
Speaker 2: like not even saying again, this is if everything we've
Speaker 2: been told is true, even in the last two years.
Speaker 3: If nothing, I don't know how to say this the
Speaker 3: right way.
Speaker 2: But if that shit is actually real, just by the
Speaker 2: way society had acted to that, you could easily consider
Speaker 2: that like experiment to where there was a lot of
Speaker 2: information to study on how humans act during a crisis
Speaker 2: like that, you know what I'm saying, Like, even if
Speaker 2: that was real, I'm sure that handed a lot of
Speaker 2: fucking smart people and power ideas of how humans react
Speaker 2: to shit.
Speaker 1: Absolutely well things you know what nine to eleven was
Speaker 1: largely about and the last few years has been about.
Speaker 1: Absolutely definitely. But yeah, that's all I got for Canada
Speaker 1: so far. I'm sure there's way more, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm sure there is.
Speaker 2: Just you know, how long we were gonna make this.
Speaker 2: I think it's almost going on to Unfortunately we had
Speaker 2: you know, technical issues. I think we're close to about
Speaker 2: two hours by now. I think, yeah, this is like
Speaker 2: two recordings. I think the first we got into like
Speaker 2: fourteen minutes and then.
Speaker 1: Yes, shut off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, okay, she's dropped out. Yeah, if if
Speaker 2: anybody uses stream Yard that new beta version to record
Speaker 2: people separately, it's going to pull off of your Internet
Speaker 2: connection and it probably won't run as smooth. So that's
Speaker 2: just connection stream yard uses No, then if you go
Speaker 2: to use that new beta thing, it's probably gonna pull
Speaker 2: tug on your internet a little bit and might close problems.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so that is that's the end of this one.
Speaker 2: I think we did good enough, and I think that
Speaker 2: was very interesting. It's uh again, you know, not saying
Speaker 2: that that's what happened with the fog, but that is
Speaker 2: how all of that came together, the whole idea of
Speaker 2: the fog and just something weird with that to begin with.
Speaker 2: Then just gave us the idea of impossible government experiments
Speaker 2: and started looking into the past and seeing how, you know,
Speaker 2: what could we find out about that found it interesting
Speaker 2: and again you know, it's probably stuff in the past
Speaker 2: that maybe people don't know. So I was like, fucking
Speaker 2: covered It's informational to me. I thought was kind of interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 2: gives me a gives me a reference point to maybe the.
Speaker 1: Future exactly where clear we can see your history. They're
Speaker 1: not afraid to pull super shady shit. Background check failed
Speaker 1: government failed.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's the best way to put it.
Speaker 2: Failed your background check. Thank you so much Teresa for
Speaker 2: covering that with me, and I look forward to doing
Speaker 2: the next one with you.
Speaker 3: Would you like to let everybody know your show that
Speaker 3: I co host with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So our other show is called The Spiritual Gangsters.
Speaker 1: It's like more not lighthearted than this one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, sometimes it is very serious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very personal to people's experiences and stories. But
Speaker 1: then we sort of to always tie it back to,
Speaker 1: you know, the Conspiracy and the Bigger Picture. Actually have
Speaker 1: an episode coming out really soon. I don't know when
Speaker 1: this is going to drop, but if it hasn't already
Speaker 1: dropped yet, look out for the episode that I just
Speaker 1: recorded with my girl Melanie, because we do talk about
Speaker 1: Canadian healthcare malpractice, so another you know, kind of experimental
Speaker 1: shit on citizens. Uh Canada not such a great country perhaps,
Speaker 1: so anyways, look out for that. It's really interesting what
Speaker 1: happened to her and her grandmother, So keep an eye
Speaker 1: out for it. And there's lots of great conversations on
Speaker 1: all different kinds of topics on there, so please check
Speaker 1: it out. Yeah YouTube and all the major podcast pos.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh, and we do. Uh also want to mention
Speaker 2: that sometimes I think it's going to be Unfortunately I
Speaker 2: wasn't there.
Speaker 3: I was having technical issues yesterday too.
Speaker 2: So I wasn't there for Melanie, but uh that and
Speaker 2: like when we had hippoleron those obviously are not YouTube
Speaker 2: friendly podcast it shows. You know, when you start getting
Speaker 2: into medical Ship, holy fuck YouTube.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, we won't even put on YouTube. So
Speaker 1: if you are.
Speaker 2: Somebody who normally catches the videos because of YouTube, there
Speaker 2: is going to be more shows on her, on her
Speaker 2: podcast and mine that don't drop on YouTube. Unfortunately, if
Speaker 2: we want to have a casual conversation and I have
Speaker 2: to censor ourselves, more than likely it won't be unless
Speaker 2: we try real hard or just present the specific thing.
Speaker 2: And I know, and you know, to be totally honest
Speaker 2: with you, the horrible thing about YouTube is that, like really,
Speaker 2: if you're not talking about medical Ship, I feel like
Speaker 2: anything else will fucking fly, even ship that they shouldn't allow.
Speaker 1: In my totally stuff, they shouldn't like that fly.
Speaker 2: But as soon as you get into medical shiit I
Speaker 2: mentioned you know whatever.
Speaker 1: Eh, you know Jesus exactly.
Speaker 3: And the horrible thing is that.
Speaker 2: He could come out of your mouth in one second
Speaker 2: and just be a joke, a random joco for something else,
Speaker 2: and they'll hit you for that. It's like it's not
Speaker 2: even really on the topic. It was just like we
Speaker 2: had a random combo bantering for two minutes. I mentioned
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Speaker 2: now I'm sure people have noticed the rumble. I'm not
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Speaker 2: You just share your mic on your phone, you took
Speaker 2: through your headset. You don't need a marketphone anything, talking
Speaker 2: nay off your camera.
Speaker 3: Nobody has any idea what's going on.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you could be sitting on the couch like
Speaker 2: al Bundi with his hands down his pants, so we
Speaker 2: will have any So yeah, it's just uh and it's
Speaker 2: fun and I you know, the other shows that I've
Speaker 2: talked about and mentioned it too, they thought it was
Speaker 2: a cool idea, So it'll be nice. This evening just
Speaker 2: probably be like a cool roundtable with topic themes. At least,
Speaker 2: that's awesome. Yeah, so definitely check all that stuff out.
Speaker 2: Check out all the links in the bottom. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: done running my mouth. Yeah, so check out all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Everything's in the bottom. And until the next one, everybody
Speaker 2: be well.
Speaker 1: O