WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.160 Convicted felon. Donald Trump also should be known as the 2 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:08.400 draft dodging mysterious bone spurs guy. He's never served a 3 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:12.960 second in any honorable way in our United States Armed Forces. 4 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:15.880 But that soob certainly has a lot to say about 5 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:19.760 the recent reporting about the horrific and grotesque conditions on 6 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:24.440 the USS Lincoln that is forcing some sailors to jump overboard. 7 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:29.760 According to Trump, though they should actually suffer longer. Okay, 8 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:36.439 what else do I have to say? 9 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:38.039 Well, no, that ship is moving. 10 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:42.399 No not, that ship is moving right now or very shortly. 11 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:48.159 And it's being replaced with another very similar ship. No, no, no, 12 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:50.359 not nearly long enough. Thank you. 13 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:55.240 Everybody more lives from fellon Trump. But the real story 14 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:59.799 is not just what is happening on the Lincoln right 15 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:02.640 now and the fact that the Teddy Roosevelt has to 16 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:06.280 come in and save the Lincoln on its unprecedented deployment 17 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:09.719 of more than two hundred and fifty days without a 18 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:14.000 stop and a port. It's the mental toll it is 19 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:19.439 taken on the people who are serving an active duty 20 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:25.120 right now. We're talking people that are in an illegal war. 21 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:29.840 Can you imagine not having the basic necessities like hygiene 22 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:33.319 and food and potable water, and then you also have 23 00:01:33.480 --> 00:01:36.359 that compounded by the knowledge that you could be blown 24 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:38.719 up at any time because this is active combat. It 25 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:44.640 is unconscionable to me. And the Trump regime is dismissive 26 00:01:44.799 --> 00:01:50.159 and just flat out rude, and it's just so disrespectful 27 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:54.400 about how they are handling this. And there's also now 28 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:58.959 the toll that will take place on these veterans when 29 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:02.640 they are discharged and they leave. And I thought it 30 00:02:02.680 --> 00:02:05.719 was really important to talk about that. There is not 31 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.719 enough of a conversation on the regular about the mental 32 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:16.479 health toll from being in the military, let alone serving 33 00:02:16.800 --> 00:02:20.719 in this type of dysfunctional regime. That's why I invited 34 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:25.039 doctor Don Lanoville, clinical psychologist, who also has her own 35 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.159 personal and professional experience dealing with veterans, to be able 36 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:31.080 to have I think a very important conversation. Joining me 37 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:34.879 now is doctor Don Lanoville of Abamarle Psychology, Clinical and 38 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:38.520 Forensic Services. Doctor Lanivill, thank you so much for taking 39 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:40.879 the time to join me for what I think is 40 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:44.360 an important conversation we should always be having, but especially 41 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:46.960 in the context of what we're learning about the USS Lincoln. 42 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:48.960 Thank you I appreciate being here. 43 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:51.439 Yeah, so doctor Lannivill, first of all, I want to 44 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:55.439 thank you, and you're the members of your family. I 45 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:58.039 want to make sure that people understand exactly how much 46 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:00.400 context you have, because context is key it comes to 47 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:04.599 having this conversation about what is going on with these sailors, 48 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:07.680 these marines, and their kind of and their mental health. 49 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:10.800 You are the spouse of a retired sailor, the mother 50 00:03:10.919 --> 00:03:13.719 of an adult Navy veteran, the stepmother of an active 51 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:18.439 duty airman. Your father served in nom your former father 52 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:23.000 law served, and your Navy veterans in law parents both served, 53 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:27.319 and their sibling in law is active duty. I mean, yeah, 54 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:29.960 you should probably understand a lot of what's going on 55 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:32.840 in our armed forces right now, especially on a personal level. 56 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:35.919 I do, and I want to mention also, I've been 57 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:39.120 on the ship. I've taken what they call a tiger cruise, 58 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:42.400 So I've been out in the ocean on the USS 59 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:45.960 in Shawn, which is now sunk and it's decommissioned, and 60 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:48.000 it's sunken off the East coast. 61 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:52.240 So you know, there's been so much reporting out there 62 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:56.800 about what is happening with the USS Lincoln and The 63 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:04.639 point of our conversation is talking about how essential it 64 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:09.120 is to be providing mental health services not only during 65 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:13.800 active duty deployment, right during the in the midst of 66 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:16.959 all of it, they still need mental health support, and 67 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:21.199 then obviously the continued support once they leave and their 68 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:27.360 discharge and they're back in our communities. We are woefully inadequate, 69 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:30.199 I think in so many ways. But this is a 70 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:33.800 big part of what you do as a psychologist. 71 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:38.639 Yes it is. It's my understanding that they have mental 72 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:41.360 health out on the ship, but I don't know what 73 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.959 that equates to as far as a level of care. 74 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.759 That kind of came out after the fact from everything 75 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:53.399 that I've listened to or read. I don't know how 76 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:57.240 those mental health providers are doing. They could be experiencing 77 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.360 a degree of exhaustion themselves, that's across my mind. 78 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:02.560 That's a really good point. Oh wow, I didn't think 79 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:02.920 about that. 80 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:06.040 Yeah, that's just yes, yes, you. 81 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:10.439 Know, doctor Lanaville. I hear these reports of people either 82 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:14.240 attempting to jump overboard or at least one sailor successfully 83 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:18.879 making it overboard, and I have to think the level 84 00:05:18.879 --> 00:05:22.879 of desperation they must feel has to be so profound 85 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:27.279 talk about why being on more than I want to 86 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.560 make sure I get this right. They've been deployed for 87 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:34.240 more than eight months. They left San Diego in November 88 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:38.319 of last year, and they've had a record breaking two 89 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:41.360 hundred and fifty consecutive days at sea without and they 90 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:43.639 haven't had a port stop in more than forty days. 91 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.879 That's correct. Actually they haven't had a port stop. I 92 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:50.000 don't think in two hundred days. Oh my lord, I 93 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:52.720 think we're approaching two hundred and sixty if we haven't 94 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:57.199 passed that number. So it's the longest in known history, 95 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:01.240 the longest deployment that we've heard of. So it clearly 96 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:03.680 was not well planned, you. 97 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:07.600 Know, doctor Lanevel, Why is it so important for the 98 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:10.279 mental health of these sailors and marines to be able 99 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:11.759 to have a port stop. 100 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:15.120 As where they blow off their steam for a night 101 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:17.959 or two, they get a break. You're floating around on 102 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:23.279 the ocean and basically a heavily a heavy tin can. 103 00:06:23.519 --> 00:06:29.720 Basically the stairwells are extremely narrow and steep. The ships 104 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:33.680 are not built for comfort, they're built for functionality, and 105 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:36.560 so they get away from the ship, they get away 106 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:39.519 from those surroundings and those smells. They get off of 107 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:43.199 the water, they get to relax with their friends, maybe 108 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:46.000 drink too much, you know, laying on each other to 109 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:48.879 get back to the ship. It's just some time away. 110 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:52.120 It's the only break they get. They have long shifts, 111 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:56.480 they have frequent watches. When they're not doing a watch 112 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:00.439 or working, they're trying to fall asleep or trying to 113 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.000 get some rest. And that's their life. It's literally a 114 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:07.879 twenty four hour cycle every day, no weekends, no days off. 115 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:12.399 I read somewhere that one of the sailors inner was 116 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:16.720 saying that there's no delineation of dates. You don't really know. 117 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:19.279 A Monday could be a Wednesday as far as you're 118 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:21.879 concerned when you're out on this type of carrier, out 119 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:23.360 on the water like that. 120 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:26.000 That's correct. It's literally twenty four to seven. 121 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:31.319 So, doctor Lanovite, you know, when I heard that they 122 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.639 left San Diego, it was supposed to be for a 123 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:37.759 Pacific deployment, and they were supposed to end that deployment 124 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:39.839 in May of this year. So it had been it 125 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:42.480 would be about six months, right, you leave in November, 126 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:46.160 you come back in May. They left in November. Now 127 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:49.000 they have no idea when they're going to be able 128 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:49.600 to come back. 129 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:50.879 Talk about how. 130 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:55.839 That would weigh mentally on someone who's now, like you said, 131 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:58.079 logged more than two hundred and fifty days at sea 132 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:01.680 without a port stop. Now they have no idea when 133 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:02.839 this deployment's going to. 134 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:07.680 End, right, So that's really that's a tough one because 135 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.279 that's a long time away from family. They've got spotty internet, 136 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:15.160 so they can't make connections through FaceTime or cell phones 137 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:20.759 or even ship phones though they're completely unsupported by the 138 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:25.360 networks that they have at home. But it's really compounded 139 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:29.199 on this ship with food supplies being so critically low 140 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:36.879 and showers not working. Basic necessities like toothpaste, deodorant, showers, 141 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:42.759 working showers, working toilets, those things are gone, They're depleted. 142 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:46.480 So the mental health is compounded by the time away 143 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:51.799 from family and then without those basic living needs being met. 144 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:58.360 You have such deep background and experience with these with 145 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:03.200 these armed forces, is I mean, this sounds like just 146 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:07.639 a no brainer to me. Wouldn't you provide these basic, 147 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:11.639 even basic hygiene necessities. I've also read from my team 148 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:16.759 here at Midas that, for example, the female female active 149 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:19.559 service members they don't even have access to some of 150 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:23.200 the basic feminine hygiene needs that they need. I mean, 151 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:26.279 I can't imagine something even more demoralizing that you cannot 152 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.279 even be able to get some of these basic necessities. 153 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.639 Absolutely, and you know that's the point of port calls, right, 154 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:36.960 that's where they do get resupplied. But they've alienated so 155 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:40.279 many of the countries that are surrounding them that no 156 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:42.519 one will let them come into their ports, and so 157 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:46.000 that's where they would normally get those supplies, and that's 158 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:49.879 why they've run so critically low if not having it 159 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:50.720 all gone. 160 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.440 One thing you mentioned was an inability to be able 161 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:57.519 to maintain regular communication. That is something I'm hearing from 162 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:00.679 the families that are here stateside, and that they are 163 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:04.399 unable to be in constant contact or even regular or 164 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:08.320 even sporadic contact now with their loved ones. Why is 165 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:12.480 that connection so important off that ship, and even if 166 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:14.879 it isn't physically being able to see family, just being 167 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:16.960 able to maybe call or even write. 168 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:21.039 It's just so important because you know, you have your 169 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:24.240 ship buddies, your battle buddies, but there's nothing like a 170 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:28.639 wife or a husband. The young sailor that did jump 171 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:31.279 has a five month old child that he hasn't met yet. 172 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:34.440 I think he's met that child now because they they 173 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:38.039 metavecked him off of the ship. But not being able 174 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:42.840 to see pictures of your children, missing birthdays, missing anniversaries, 175 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:46.360 those are all kind of anticipated, you know, things that 176 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:51.360 they expect, but not with this kind of deployment with 177 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:54.360 no known end in sight, you. 178 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:57.159 Know, as a psychologist. I'm going to read to you 179 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:02.919 a portion of the Military Times article that was an 180 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:06.919 interview with Annabelle Loma, whose husband is the one who 181 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.240 attempted to jump overboard the Lincoln during his current deployment. 182 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:13.879 She said that he had been repeatedly overextended and now 183 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.879 he's really scared that he's going to get a dishonorable 184 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:20.799 discharge after a thirteen year career because he just mentally 185 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:24.960 was not able to process this anymore. On the Lincoln, 186 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:29.360 she says she was initially advised by a way of 187 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:32.799 a phone call from the ship's ombudsman, but then has 188 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:37.919 not heard from anyone with the United States Navy in weeks. 189 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:42.080 So there's a lot to unpack there, because you have 190 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:46.519 a terrified wife who learns of you know, over time, 191 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.120 building up the mental stress on her husband, and then 192 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:53.879 now she hasn't gotten any additional information from the US 193 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:56.440 Navy for week. So talk about why it's also taking 194 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.759 such a profound mental health toll on the loved ones 195 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:04.080 here are just wanting to make sure that their family, 196 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:07.000 their spouses, their sons, their daughters, that they're okay. 197 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:12.080 Well, we're really in uncharted waters for and not meant 198 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:15.039 to be a pun, but we've never seen this before. 199 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:18.360 We have not seen this before. The families haven't seen 200 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:21.519 this before. You know, they've probably got other service members 201 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:27.000 that they've dealt with. But it's terrifying if you know, 202 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:30.159 especially with a thirteen year marriage, you're you've been married 203 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:34.360 for a long time and that's that relationship is very solid, 204 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:36.480 and so the two of them are like one and 205 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:40.879 so it's hard to imagine, you know, your mind fills 206 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:43.279 in the blanks if you don't know what's going on 207 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:46.360 which may be happening with his wife. 208 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:53.120 In your experience, because of your exposure to especially the Navy, 209 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:58.039 I mean, and in talking to your family members that 210 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.679 have this experience, what are there were actions when they're 211 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.279 hearing this news. 212 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:06.519 We haven't really talked about it much within the family. 213 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:11.600 Everybody so far has been pretty safe, especially the brother 214 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:16.759 in law that came home. So I'm not sure what 215 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.159 kind of conversations they're having, but they're not positive ones. 216 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.159 No, I just wanted to know if you had gained 217 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.399 any reactions from anybody who has served, because this is 218 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:32.200 such an unusual, horribly unusual scenario now where we're hearing this, 219 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:34.679 because I know, in the time I've been on this planet, 220 00:13:35.200 --> 00:13:38.879 you know, I've never heard of people multiple attempts of 221 00:13:38.919 --> 00:13:41.440 people to jump overboard on a carrier, especially because of 222 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:44.080 their you know, prolonged deployment. 223 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:49.480 Yeah, it does happen, and they're really minimizing that. What 224 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:53.080 I can tell you, I did pull the text message 225 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:56.759 from that one sailor who tried to jump, and you 226 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:01.080 could tell that it was a realistic message that he 227 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:04.879 had sent his wife because he did say he felt hopeless. 228 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:08.399 That's not something that you can fabricate. So he mentioned 229 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:12.159 feeling hopeless, not knowing if he could finish the deployment. 230 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:16.200 Those things should have been in the forefront of the 231 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:20.440 commanders and the admirals and is just not being addressed. 232 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:23.480 I think people are a bit in shock and they're 233 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:26.519 not sure what to say or to think about this 234 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:30.600 particular issue. As I said, we've never seen it before. 235 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:34.440 There was a meeting that was done by some of 236 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:37.799 the higher ups in the military, right including the Undersecretary 237 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:42.200 of the Navy, to be able to meet with family 238 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:45.720 members to talk to them about what is going on. 239 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:49.879 And there was a quote I wanted to share with you. 240 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:54.360 One woman told these people, one of whom's a vice admiral, 241 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:59.399 a couple of vice admirals, right, she said that they 242 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:04.480 have broken trust between us and the leadership. I mean, 243 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:07.159 and I understand now it seems kind of like a 244 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:09.720 you know, afterthought. Now they're trying to send to Teddy 245 00:15:09.759 --> 00:15:14.080 Roosevelt to relieve the USS Lincoln. But what is the 246 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:17.639 nature of that trust that this woman is speaking about, 247 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:20.480 Because you know, I think we make a lot of 248 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:26.320 assumptions about sending our family members to serve, and it's 249 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.840 a voluntary thing when they sign up, and I think 250 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.679 we all understand there's a risk baked into this type 251 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:35.399 of job, but there has to be some type of 252 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:38.919 understanding that we can trust our leaders in this country 253 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:41.879 and of this government that they're going to do right 254 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:44.440 by our family members if they're in service. 255 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.559 I think we've seen broken trust from the beginning, right 256 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:52.480 because they went there without any authorization in the first place. 257 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.039 The sailors were sent over there without any clear mission, 258 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:59.679 and then the mission kept changing and the goalposts kept changing, 259 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:02.879 and then they lost access to the different ports. So 260 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:06.240 there have been multiple points of broken trust along the way, 261 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:09.759 and I don't see how they get that back because 262 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:13.399 the leadership isn't changing, it's staying the same. The same 263 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:17.480 people are making all of the decisions, and I think 264 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:21.240 with the person that visited over the weekend, it's an afterthought. 265 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:24.320 They should have been on this before. They shouldn't have 266 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:28.879 had to run out of food or water or soap 267 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:33.919 or toothput paste before they got attention. This should have 268 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:36.480 been done three months ago. They should have had them back. 269 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:38.960 But it just kind of speaks to the lack of planning. 270 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:42.120 So they can't re establish that trust because there has 271 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:46.360 been no planning and it's been consistent. So I don't 272 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:48.639 know how they build that without changing out some of 273 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:50.200 the players making the decisions. 274 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:54.120 I'm going to play for you some very short sound 275 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:57.360 from Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and ask you a question. 276 00:16:57.399 --> 00:17:00.879 All the other side. Take a quick Listen, he is represented. 277 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:05.720 Listen, we make sure at every ship, every crew, every 278 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:09.200 captain has everything we can provide them at every single moment. 279 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:12.440 I mean, doctor Laneville, that is the Secretary of Defense 280 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:18.039 reacting to this reporting about the absence of food and water, 281 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:23.160 basic hygiene, basic necessities, and the morale of these ships 282 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:25.960 being so bad. I mean, he's pretty much calling them 283 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:27.599 all liars. So I want to know what are your 284 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:28.279 thoughts about that. 285 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.240 It's reactionary. I mean, his whole statement was reactionary and false. 286 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:36.200 If they had planned then they wouldn't have run out 287 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:39.200 of food, they wouldn't have run out of good drinking 288 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:44.079 water or basic supplies. It's just reactionary, and it's you know, 289 00:17:45.000 --> 00:17:47.559 it's after the fact. You had to find out about 290 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:50.519 people trying to jump off of the ship before you acted, 291 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:53.000 and then you had to see all of these text 292 00:17:53.000 --> 00:17:58.319 messages coming in to family members about the absence of 293 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:03.799 basic needs. And for I don't think he's been on 294 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:06.160 a ship for any amount of time. I've never heard 295 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:08.279 that he's been on a ship for any amount of time. 296 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:12.039 And you know, just to go a little further with that, 297 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:15.240 the president hasn't spent any time on a ship, so 298 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:17.680 they don't know what it's like to try and you know, 299 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:20.880 move around those ships or you know, have a port call. 300 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.559 They don't know what it's like to live that life. 301 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:27.079 And so what he says just doesn't make any sense, 302 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:29.640 probably not to any of the family members either. 303 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:32.680 There's a I want to pull quickly on a thread 304 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.000 of something you said about good drinking water. So this 305 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:44.039 is five thousand, right, five five thousand of these service 306 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:48.119 members on it's a floating city. I mean, he doesn't 307 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:50.480 have amenities like you and I think of, you know, 308 00:18:50.559 --> 00:18:51.960 like you would think of maybe like a cruise ship, 309 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:54.559 right or something. Right, He doesn't have amenities that way, right. 310 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:59.000 How important is the good potable drinking water. I mean, 311 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:02.039 at the same time you don't have, you don't get 312 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:04.799 these things. And then in my mind, doctor Lanevel, I'm 313 00:19:04.839 --> 00:19:08.720 thinking to myself, this is active combat. You're not in 314 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:11.559 the You are in an active common situation. You don't 315 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:15.599 know you're in war, right, So you're at war, and 316 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:19.240 you also don't have even sometimes basic enough drinking podable 317 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:22.519 water to be drinking. That sounds just so mentally just 318 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:23.480 overwhelming to me. 319 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:29.920 It's reaching a level of cruel and inhumane. I mean water, 320 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:34.640 things floating in the water. Toilet's not working, that's another 321 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:37.759 thing that's been discussed. And then no end in sight, 322 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:40.599 like when are we going to get water? Nobody's coming 323 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:44.599 to save us. We're floating in this city that's empty. 324 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.640 You know, ships have stores in them, they have vending 325 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:51.039 machines at times where they can get things that they 326 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.799 want that they don't get in the galley, for example, 327 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:56.880 So those must be empty as well. Sure, and the 328 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:01.839 last week, as Lieutenant General Hartlingman, and they're not traveling alone. 329 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:04.119 I looked it up. There are seven vessels that are 330 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:07.880 traveling with the USS Lincoln. We haven't heard anything about 331 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.839 those conditions. What are they living under? Well, we have 332 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:16.839 eight vessels that may be under the same conditions. It's 333 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:19.960 a big picture. It's not just the USS Lincoln. It's 334 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:22.519 a much bigger story. 335 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.960 Doctor Laneville. Let's let's bring it back home. 336 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:26.559 Literally. 337 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:31.279 So you do veterans disability evaluations on the regular. That's 338 00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:34.799 a part of what your practice does. And you know, 339 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:37.880 I read because you wrote something on SOOBSEC I thought 340 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:41.279 was so important. You said, because you are in touch 341 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:44.759 on a weekly basis, multiple times with veterans, and you 342 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:49.440 wrote that the number of discharging service members substantially grows 343 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:54.079 in terms of working with veterans because of a perceived 344 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:57.960 lack of support that is worsening threats or alleged threats, 345 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:01.279 or perceived possibilities of deployment, maybe even again to this 346 00:21:01.400 --> 00:21:08.839 unauthorized illegal war, increased discrimination claims, increased verbal abuse. I mean, 347 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:12.680 we also have family members of active service members that 348 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:16.240 are getting deported by this federal government while they're in service. 349 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:17.599 It. 350 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:20.799 I know it's hard to serve and then come back 351 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:23.240 as a veteran, but this seems to be one of 352 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:26.160 the worst kind of perfect storms. It's like you don't 353 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:29.240 even get any support as a baseline, and now you 354 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:31.799 have even this fear even that somebody may get deported 355 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:35.039 while you're maybe on the USS Lincoln and you don't 356 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.200 have any of your basic necessities. 357 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:40.440 And you don't have any information coming in. So yes, 358 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:43.599 I have seen an increase in the discharges. And I 359 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:46.480 have met with veterans from all the conflicts back to 360 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:49.240 World War Two, and I've met a veteran from the 361 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:52.160 Korean War and then all of the people from Vietnam, 362 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:55.200 and I just want to make it very clear, no 363 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:57.640 one has ever told me that they ran out of 364 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:01.079 food while they were deployed. We have not heard this before. 365 00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:04.160 We've never heard before that they ran out of water. 366 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:08.359 You know, they didn't have great toilets in Afghanis Dan 367 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:11.519 or Iraq, but that's not what they went there for. 368 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:14.599 And they also knew what they were there for, and 369 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:18.440 they volunteered. These people have not So now I'm thinking 370 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:21.799 when they're coming back, they're going to get out and 371 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:24.960 we've got a whole different look to the post traumatic 372 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:30.000 stress disorder diagnosis. They're literally facing threats to their life 373 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:34.519 without food or without water, or without supplies. I think 374 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:37.279 I heard one report last week where they were doling 375 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:39.839 out half a cup of rice and a tortilla and 376 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:43.279 that was a meal. So we're going to have to 377 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:47.720 really review PTSD claims and they are going to earn 378 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:49.759 those benefits because of what they've been. 379 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:54.519 Through, assuming that this administration even preserves the right to 380 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:57.319 be able to even have these benefits at all. Wow, 381 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:01.359 Doctor don Lanoville, think thank you so much. I'd love 382 00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:04.599 to have another conversation with you as more develops, because 383 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:09.599 you know, there is so much going on all the time, 384 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:13.559 and people are obviously paying attention because of the recent headlines, 385 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:16.000 but there's still so much more to unpack to your 386 00:23:16.039 --> 00:23:19.720 point about the trauma that they are sustaining, and they're 387 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:23.039 doing it in service to our country, but they're doing 388 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:26.640 it because of an illegal war which we don't support. 389 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:29.759 So I'm just so grateful for your insight. Thank you 390 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:31.039 so much for taking the time. 391 00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:34.319 You're welcome. It was my pleasure and I'd be happy 392 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:36.640 to come on again anytime whatever you need. 393 00:23:37.240 --> 00:23:38.400 Thank you, Doctor Lanavill. 394 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:39.359 You're welcome. 395 00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:42.359 Katie Fang. Here, we launched the Katifang News Channel in 396 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:44.880 partnership with the Midas Touch Network, so we can bring 397 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:48.240 you the latest and legal and political news straight, no chaser. 398 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.319 So if you're a fellow truthteller, hit that subscribe button 399 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:54.039 and share the word about this channel so we can 400 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:57.440 build a high information America together. We talk a lot 401 00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:01.799