1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: She said it was kind of mocking me, laughing and saying, 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,720 she thinks I'm gone and things might be better right now, 3 00:00:12,279 --> 00:00:15,279 but I will be back eventually. 4 00:00:15,919 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: For one woman, the paranormal began before she could even speak, 5 00:00:19,519 --> 00:00:22,039 and for another man, it started with footsteps circling a 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,199 tent deep in the Wasatch Mountains. Both believe that the 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,079 encounters would stop with time if they were wrong. My 8 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,920 name is Edwin, and here are Kayley's and Ethan It's 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,840 true scary stories. 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: One of my first memories of seeing a ghost was 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,679 when I was four or five years old at my 12 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:53,719 grandparents' house. I was spending the night with my aunt 13 00:00:53,840 --> 00:01:03,479 at the time. I remember laying in her bed and 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:08,599 looking down the hallway and seeing almost a cowboy like 15 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:13,599 shadow standing in the doorway down the hall a little bit. 16 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,680 It was just a shadow. I couldn't see a face 17 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:23,040 or clothing anything like that, just kind of like a silhouette. 18 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:27,120 I knew it wasn't anyone who was in the house 19 00:01:27,159 --> 00:01:31,400 at the time, so I automatically got scared and I 20 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,319 covered up my eyes at the blanket, and when I 21 00:01:34,359 --> 00:01:39,760 pulled the blanket back down, he was gone. I remember 22 00:01:40,519 --> 00:01:43,719 years later after that telling ghost stories kind of with 23 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,120 my aunt and my mom, and my aunt telling a 24 00:01:47,159 --> 00:01:51,159 story about how she saw that same cowboy silhouette in 25 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:59,280 that same house around the same time too. Another time 26 00:01:59,519 --> 00:02:03,840 was when I was ten years old. I was sleeping 27 00:02:03,879 --> 00:02:07,719 in my room. I remember just waking up in the 28 00:02:07,719 --> 00:02:10,280 middle of the night and there was a little boy 29 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:15,680 standing at the edge of my bed. He was dressed 30 00:02:15,719 --> 00:02:20,080 and all white, but he was all scraped up and 31 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,800 you could tell they were like fresh cuts and bruises 32 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,080 all over his face and arms. He didn't say anything, 33 00:02:27,159 --> 00:02:34,159 but I just remember him looking really sad. Same thing 34 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:37,840 kind of with the cowboy. I got super scared and 35 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:40,719 I covered up my eyes with my blanket, and then 36 00:02:42,599 --> 00:02:46,120 when I pulled him back down, he was gone. I 37 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:49,759 just remember I screamed and screamed to my mom and 38 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,639 made her come into my room for the rest of 39 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,919 the night after that because I was so scared. But 40 00:02:54,639 --> 00:03:03,360 I never saw him again. My really scary, serious paranormal experiences, 41 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,919 I guess you could say, started when I was about 42 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,400 sixteen or seventeen years old. I remember I was still 43 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:14,319 in high school and I was living with my grandma 44 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,599 at the time. When it first started, I remember I 45 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:23,800 was on her couch taking a nap. I had a 46 00:03:23,879 --> 00:03:29,520 really bad nightmare during the nap. In my nightmare, I 47 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:34,039 was in a church. The church was pretty much empty 48 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,319 except every inch of the wall I had a crucifix 49 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,680 on it. There was crucifixes everywhere, just one by one. 50 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:47,240 They started flying at me and hitting me in my dream, 51 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,000 really hard, like stabbing me, cutting me, hitting me. One 52 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:55,199 by one, they just would fly off the walls and 53 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:01,680 hit me until I was on the floor bleeding. I 54 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:04,520 woke up and I was just super shaken up by it. 55 00:04:04,599 --> 00:04:07,479 I remember being really scared, and I went to my 56 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,439 grandma and I told her about my nightmare. She told 57 00:04:11,479 --> 00:04:17,279 me that that was the devil trying to communicate with me, 58 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:20,920 that he reaches out to you and your dreams, and 59 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,759 he was reaching out to me. She said, you know 60 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,519 this Sunday, I'm going to take you to church. So 61 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,879 that Sunday I went to church with my grandma. The 62 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,800 whole time in church, I was it sounds weird, but 63 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:40,000 I could have swore the priest was staring at me 64 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,959 the whole time. And I just remember having a horrible 65 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,240 headache and being really nauseous, and just like wanting to 66 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:51,959 go home. We went home and I had a crucifix 67 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,079 that was on a shelf in my room that I 68 00:04:55,079 --> 00:05:00,959 had gotten from my first communion. And when I got home, 69 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,439 the crucifix was in the middle of the floor broken. 70 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:10,439 I have no idea how it would have fallen or move. 71 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:21,480 So that really scared me and I broke down. I 72 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,680 started crying, and my Grandmo then gave me across a 73 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,319 crucifix to where she told me to, you know, always 74 00:05:30,319 --> 00:05:32,399 wear it, wear it when you sleep, right before you 75 00:05:32,439 --> 00:05:37,879 go to bed, all this stuff, and I would except 76 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,639 every time I would sleep with a crucifix necklace, I 77 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,439 would wake up and it would be gone. I lost 78 00:05:45,879 --> 00:05:50,759 fifteen to twenty necklaces just sleeping and I could never 79 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,800 find them. I would pull my bed out, take all 80 00:05:52,839 --> 00:06:01,480 my sheets off, and they were just never anywhere. Also 81 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,079 during that time, I would wake up a lot in 82 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,720 the middle of the night and my bed would be shaking. 83 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:12,480 I would wake up and they would shake for a 84 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:18,759 minute and it would just stop. It's like almost when 85 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,959 I was awake. It knew I woke up and kind 86 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:25,000 of stopped. It was really strange, but I could feel 87 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,360 it while I was still sleeping. It's hard to explain. 88 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:39,839 There would also be dead birds, squirrels, rabbits, snakes outside 89 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,720 of my window almost daily, not all at the same time, 90 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,839 but once a day there would be some type of 91 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,399 dead animal outside of my window. When all this was happening, 92 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:58,439 another time in the house, I was taking a bath 93 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,279 and I was laying in the bath and I was 94 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:08,560 home alone. All of a sudden, someone bangs on the door, 95 00:07:08,639 --> 00:07:12,319 like really loud banging, and I like, sit up, and 96 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:15,600 of course I'm scared because I know I'm home alone. 97 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,079 And I just said, you know, who is it, Grandma 98 00:07:20,199 --> 00:07:24,079 my dad's name, and Noah answered, and then just one 99 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:29,480 more time playing bang bang, really loud on the door, 100 00:07:29,519 --> 00:07:33,800 and I we had a mirror, and the mirror even 101 00:07:33,879 --> 00:07:37,360 like rattled in the bathroom, how loud it knocking me. 102 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,199 So I got up out of the bath really fast, 103 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,079 you know, because I was like, someone's messing with me. 104 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,160 I'm like, this is it's not funny. So I got 105 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,920 up and slammed the door open, and no one was 106 00:07:49,959 --> 00:07:55,639 there for a while. I kind of thought I was 107 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,639 going crazy because my dad and my uncle, my grandma, 108 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,519 they all would just you know, oh, you watch too 109 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,959 many ghost shows, you watch too many scary movies. This 110 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:13,199 is you know, your imagination is running wild. I kind 111 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:15,240 of thought I was going crazy too, Like maybe I'm 112 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:18,879 just I'm stressed. I don't know what it was. But 113 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:24,360 I had a friend come over one day and we 114 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,399 were decorating our graduation caps. We were be dazzling them 115 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,200 for graduation. We're in my room and all of a sudden, 116 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,960 all the power goes out in the house, like the 117 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:41,600 fuse blows. Everything shuts off, and I'm like, what the heck. 118 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,480 So I'm home alone with I mean, I'm with my friend, 119 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:47,799 but we're there by ourselves. So I go on the basement, 120 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,080 I flip the braker back on. Everything's fine. We'd go 121 00:08:51,159 --> 00:08:56,080 upstairs and we're decorating our cap and then we both 122 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,840 hear a growl and it sounds like a dog growling almost, 123 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,360 or some type of like animal. It's just a really 124 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:09,759 deep growl. And she looks at me, and I look 125 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:13,480 at her, and at first I'm thinking, like, I'm just 126 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:16,279 going to ignore it, because I kind of got used 127 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:18,759 to ignoring things by then. Things would happen and I 128 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:23,399 would just brush it off. But she asked me if 129 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,399 I got a dog if I had gotten a dog, 130 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,840 and I said, no, I don't have any dogs or 131 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,919 cats or anything like that. And she's like, well, what 132 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,879 is that growling? And at that time when she asked, 133 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:40,799 my heart just sank and I was like, Okay, someone 134 00:09:40,799 --> 00:09:44,240 else hears this. Someone else is experiencing this too. And 135 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:48,000 I remember I stayed really calm, and I was like, 136 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,039 just get your things and let's go. And I just 137 00:09:51,759 --> 00:09:56,879 we left the house because I that was scary, because 138 00:09:56,879 --> 00:09:59,279 it kind of for me, made it seem like it 139 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:06,080 was all real. During this time, when I would sleep 140 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,759 at my mother's house, I would have sleep paralysis almost 141 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:20,279 every night. It was my eighteenth birthday and I had 142 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,399 three girls spending the night at my house for a sleepover. 143 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,559 We were all sleeping laying in the living room. We 144 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,840 had made like palettes on the floor because we all 145 00:10:32,879 --> 00:10:36,120 just slept together on the floor in the living room. 146 00:10:36,279 --> 00:10:38,519 I woke up in the middle of the night and 147 00:10:39,799 --> 00:10:43,919 I remember you could see my dining room from my 148 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,039 living room. It was kind of like a It was open, 149 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:53,279 so I could see somebody sitting at the dining room 150 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:58,200 table and I looked. I just kind of put my 151 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,399 head back down because I didn't think anything of it, 152 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,080 and then I looked again and they were still just 153 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,919 sitting there in that same position, and I thought it 154 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,639 was weird because they were sitting in the dark. There 155 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:13,639 was no lights on in the house, and so I said, Mom, 156 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:19,639 is that you Mom? And whatever it was, its head 157 00:11:19,759 --> 00:11:27,720 like turned towards me, and then it stood up from 158 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:32,759 the chair. But when it stood up, it was huge, 159 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,039 taller than the ceiling. It almost had to like bend 160 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,919 its head down when it got to its full height 161 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:45,039 because it was too tall for the ceiling. I couldn't 162 00:11:45,399 --> 00:11:50,039 see anything except just a figure. It was like ahead 163 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:57,840 and then all black, no face, just a huge black shadow, 164 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:03,279 almost just standing there and kind of similar to what 165 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,080 I typically do when I get super scared of Gosay 166 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,399 covered my eyes up with the blanket because I just 167 00:12:09,399 --> 00:12:13,159 remember being so scared, and I when I took it 168 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,639 back down, it was gone. And then I went and 169 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,519 I woke my mom up and I told her about it, 170 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,919 and she just said, I was imagining, you know, probably 171 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:25,159 had a bad dream something. Just go back to bed. 172 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:34,679 So I went back to bed. Things did stop, and 173 00:12:34,759 --> 00:12:37,879 it was when I went and I got a tattoo 174 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,480 of a cross on the back of my neck because 175 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:47,120 I got tired of losing all my jewelry, like my crucifixes, 176 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,200 and so I was like, you know, I'm just gonna 177 00:12:49,879 --> 00:12:53,639 put it on my body where it can't go missing, 178 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,399 it can't be removed. And after I got that tattoo, 179 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,480 everything kind of like I didn't have any more experiences 180 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,919 at my grandma's, I didn't have any more sleep paralysis. 181 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:17,320 Everything for me kind of stopped after that, probably three 182 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:22,759 or four years after all of my experiences stopped. After 183 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,080 I got that tattoo on the back of my neck, 184 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,159 I was working in a restaurant and I was the 185 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,639 manager at the time, and I was interviewing for a position, 186 00:13:33,799 --> 00:13:38,600 an open position, and I interviewed this one lady and 187 00:13:38,919 --> 00:13:42,480 she was telling me that she was a medium and 188 00:13:42,519 --> 00:13:50,320 that she read auras. She was saying how my aura 189 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,440 was really bright, but she said that she could see 190 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:59,919 a shadow in the corner. She asked my permission, She said, 191 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:01,799 you know, can I grab your hands? Do you mind 192 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:07,000 if I do a reading? And I'm like super interested 193 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:09,600 in all of that, always has been, so I was like, yeah, 194 00:14:09,639 --> 00:14:15,039 of course. So she was reading my aura and she 195 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,000 just telling me about the colors white and yellow, and 196 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:23,240 then she said that there was a black shadow and 197 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:28,440 that it was attached and it didn't feel good. And 198 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,960 then she said that whatever it was was talking to her. 199 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,000 She said it was kind of mocking me, laughing and 200 00:14:37,039 --> 00:14:41,360 saying she thinks I'm gone and things might be better 201 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:48,360 right now, but I will be back eventually. She kind 202 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,320 of got scared, and then I got scared, and I 203 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,360 was like, well, what does that mean, And she was like, well, 204 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:54,799 it's not talking to me anymore. Whatever it is isn't 205 00:14:54,799 --> 00:14:57,759 talking to me anymore, but it told me that it's 206 00:14:57,799 --> 00:15:01,360 going to come back. That's kind of always in the 207 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,120 back of my mind at all times, like to this day, 208 00:15:04,919 --> 00:15:07,639 there has to be a light somewhere otherwise I just 209 00:15:08,159 --> 00:15:12,559 get super uneasy and anxious, and that sentence always comes 210 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:22,360 back to me. I work in a super old brewery. 211 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,000 It was built in eighteen forty seven, so it's a 212 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,279 very very old building, so I have experiences there. I've 213 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:36,120 had experiences there pretty often in my house now it's 214 00:15:36,159 --> 00:15:39,840 not as much now, and when they are, I would 215 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:43,600 say there are more like ghost experiences where this thing 216 00:15:43,879 --> 00:15:47,679 I felt this was the only time where I've felt 217 00:15:47,679 --> 00:15:55,440 something evil and not just paranormal. When I drive to work, 218 00:15:55,879 --> 00:16:00,399 I drive past the cemetery every day, and probably one 219 00:16:00,519 --> 00:16:03,759 or two months ago, I was driving past, and I 220 00:16:04,559 --> 00:16:07,120 in my rear view mirror, I just got a glimpse 221 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,000 of someone in my rear view and I pulled over. 222 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:15,320 I swerved because just instantly I thought someone broke was 223 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:17,559 in my car from when I left for work, you know, 224 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:20,840 So I pull over, I swerve, and I turn around 225 00:16:20,879 --> 00:16:26,320 and there's no one there, and so I just rest 226 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:27,720 of the way to work. But I had a feeling 227 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:30,399 like I was driving past the cemetery when it happened, 228 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:36,960 and I wonder if it was just you know, now, 229 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,600 I remember my you know, I can remember a lot 230 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,120 of my prayers, but they'll be on occasion where I 231 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:47,240 just get a really like heavy feeling and I just 232 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:49,480 think to myself, I just need to say a prayer 233 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,240 really fast, and every once in a while I'll forget it. 234 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,000 I'm a big believer too, of like, your words are powerful, 235 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:05,759 and I think giving any type of energy to those 236 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:11,039 kind of evil things, they they definitely that's what they're 237 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:13,640 looking for, you know. I was, I was kind of 238 00:17:13,799 --> 00:17:16,680 nervous to even talk about it today, because I just 239 00:17:16,759 --> 00:17:20,079 get a little scared that if I do talk about it, 240 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,000 that it's giving it that attention. 241 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 3: I grew up in a southeast of Salt Lake City, Utah, 242 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,160 near the mountains. My parents still live up in that area, 243 00:17:51,319 --> 00:17:54,400 and I was blessed I grew up in this area 244 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,920 because I'm really close to these canyons and these mountains, 245 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,200 and I just a frequent this one particular canyon. I 246 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,119 still go there actually all the time. For this day, 247 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,880 I'm hiking up there. For over forty years. The canyon, 248 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,720 the Little Conwood Canyon, was actually formed by a glacier 249 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,400 back in the ice Age. 250 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,599 Speaker 4: They say it's still there. It's still like deep in 251 00:18:14,599 --> 00:18:15,079 the canyon. 252 00:18:21,759 --> 00:18:25,279 Speaker 3: Back in nineteen ninety two, when I was fourteen, my 253 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,160 parents let me and my friends go backpack camping up there, 254 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,640 and so we started hiking up in this canyon near their. 255 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:34,079 Speaker 4: House, about a. 256 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 3: Fifteen to twenty minute walk from their front door, and 257 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:39,119 we camped up there all summer at this one spot. Now, 258 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:43,519 this particular camp spot, it's very well hidden. It's way 259 00:18:43,519 --> 00:18:47,480 off the trail. Not very many people knew about it. 260 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,400 It's not very far when you're just walking down the street. 261 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,200 But when you're going up into the canyon with a 262 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,440 heavy pack, it takes a good time amount of time 263 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,000 to get up in there. This one particular night, my 264 00:18:57,039 --> 00:18:59,400 friend Dave and I, who I'm still very. 265 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:01,559 Speaker 4: Good friends with the notice we were really young. 266 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 3: We were up there camping and we'd gone to bed, 267 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,279 and we were in it just like a little two 268 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:12,079 man tent. Probably around one point thirty in the morning, 269 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:15,400 this big gust of wind came down the canyon and 270 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,000 just hit our. 271 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,079 Speaker 4: Tent, and it woke me up. 272 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:25,319 Speaker 3: I sat up and looking around and startled me so much, 273 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:27,640 and I looked over my friend Dave and he was out. 274 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:32,240 He was always a really deep sleeper bouldered the size 275 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,599 of a Volkswagen. Could have fallen off the cliff next 276 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:36,559 to us an explode, and probably wuldn't have woken him up. 277 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:42,920 As I'm sitting there, it got quiet again. There's a 278 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,400 stream nearby. During the spring it's really loud, but this 279 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:49,079 was late summer, so it wasn't very noisy. There's a 280 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:54,000 really bright moon out to the west, probably about where 281 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,119 the sun is about three or four o'clock in the afternoon, 282 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:03,799 and I started hearing something walking around our tent. The 283 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:07,039 ground around the tent is very packed hard dirt and 284 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:11,759 gravel and whatever. This was walking around our tent circled 285 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:15,119 it two or three, maybe four times, going really slow. 286 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,000 They might think, well, was it an animal? No, it 287 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:20,200 wasn't an animal, because there are mountain lions and black 288 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,519 bears up there, but you're not going to hear pause 289 00:20:23,079 --> 00:20:25,559 from those animals going around a tent, and they would 290 00:20:25,559 --> 00:20:28,519 probably be sniffing around and getting into our camp stuff outside. 291 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:34,880 Whoever or whatever this was circled our tent several times, 292 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,240 and I was just frozen. 293 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 4: It was kind of a fight or flight. So I 294 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:44,640 looked over my friend Dave. 295 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 3: He's still out and I'm kind of quietly trying to 296 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,039 wake him up. I just shake him a little bit 297 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:50,599 that he was not waking up, and I didn't want 298 00:20:50,599 --> 00:20:55,079 to make a lot of noise. This went on probably 299 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,799 three or four minutes, this thing just slowly circling our tent, 300 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,680 and I couldn't see anything, even though the moon was 301 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,160 out where our tent was, we were in the shadow 302 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,720 of these large pine trees and so that I couldn't 303 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:12,400 see any shape or anything, and it just felt really creepy. 304 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,039 What was happening outside. Well, after a few minutes, I 305 00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:19,839 didn't hear anything. Stupid me, and you know, age fourteen, 306 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:20,720 we had a BB gun. 307 00:21:20,759 --> 00:21:22,599 Speaker 4: That was the only thing we had. We brought up 308 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:24,359 there a sort of protection that's not going to protect 309 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:24,960 it from anything. 310 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 3: But I decided to slowly unzip the tent. 311 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 4: I kind of peeked out. I didn't see anything. 312 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 3: And it's like I said, about one thirty in the morning, 313 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,119 and I slowly stepped out, and I had this BB gun. 314 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,119 I had a flashlight, and back in the early nineties, 315 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,759 flashlights weren't nearly as good as they are now. And 316 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:50,599 I looked around, got out, checked everywhere, and I felt 317 00:21:50,599 --> 00:21:53,240 like I was being watched, and I didn't see anything. 318 00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:56,240 I looked all over our camp spot, looked in bushes, 319 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,359 looked behind trees, and I couldn't figure out who or 320 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,200 what this was. 321 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 4: Whatever it was was gone, and I just felt like 322 00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:02,920 I was being watched. 323 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,599 Speaker 3: Now, you might think that maybe somebody was hiking down 324 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,359 the canyon or hiking up the canyon and stumbled across 325 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,160 our camp spot, but this camp spot is. 326 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:12,799 Speaker 4: Very well hit. 327 00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 3: It's probably about seventy or eighty yards away from the 328 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,400 main trail and you have to kind of bushwhack and 329 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,039 go across the stream to get to it. 330 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:25,519 Speaker 4: And not many people know about this spot. So as 331 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:26,559 I was sitting. 332 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 3: There looking around, and I went back in the tent 333 00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:30,279 and just kind of sat there, had a really hard 334 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:38,880 time palm back and sleep. The next day we got 335 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,279 up and I told him about it. He just had 336 00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:43,799 a look of horror on his face, and I told 337 00:22:43,839 --> 00:22:45,880 him I couldn't wake him up to save my life, 338 00:22:46,319 --> 00:22:47,920 you know, if there was fight or flights, something was 339 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,440 going to happen. And we looked in the dirt, couldn't 340 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,799 see any tracks or anything, but there was something circling 341 00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:55,160 our tent. And if it was like a person, why 342 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,519 would this person be up there in the middle of 343 00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:58,480 the night creeping around our tent or I don't know 344 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,119 if it was what it was or who it was, 345 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,720 but it didn't seem like it was a person, just 346 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,880 because the feeling that I had wasn't good. It could 347 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,680 have been paranormal. I don't know whatever was walking around 348 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,559 our tent that night. 349 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,799 Speaker 4: It was heavy. We camped in that spot enough. 350 00:23:15,599 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 3: That we packed down all the dirt and the weeds, 351 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,119 and there was nothing there but just dirt and gravel. 352 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,359 Whatever it was made enough sound, but it was heavy 353 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,720 whatever it was walking around our tent, and it definitely 354 00:23:24,759 --> 00:23:29,000 wasn't an animal. That was the first experience that I 355 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:35,359 had in this canyon up at that spot. So I'll 356 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,400 give you a little bit of history that canyon though, 357 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,039 that whole area has a lot of mining history where 358 00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:45,160 there's gold mines and silver mines. They're all sealed up, 359 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,960 but it had a lot of mining history in that area. Also, 360 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:54,440 we found actual records of a pioneer cemetery down near 361 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,279 the mouth of the canyon. Wells still up in the 362 00:23:56,279 --> 00:24:02,160 canyon of ways, probably about seven or eight people are 363 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,680 buried in this one spot. A neighbor that I grew 364 00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:07,880 up with, who's now in his eighties, that still lives 365 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:12,480 up there, actual found records of this pioneer cemetery up there. 366 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,839 When he told me about it, I was about twelve 367 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,599 years old, and then he told us where it was at. 368 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,400 We went over there, this little clear spot, and I 369 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,119 just did, Yeah, you could tell there was something there. 370 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,799 It's odd that they would put this burial plot of 371 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,720 whoever is buried there next to this old silver mine. 372 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,480 These mines were operated from eighteen hundreds all the way 373 00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:33,559 up to the nineteen. 374 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:38,799 Speaker 4: Seventies, off and on. I'm not sure why they would 375 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:41,480 bury people up there, or like when exactly they did, 376 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,279 but he said it was probably around the eighteen eighties 377 00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:45,640 eighteen nineties that they bury people up there. Is what 378 00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:47,160 the records show. 379 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,839 Speaker 3: The Mormon settlers that settled there back in the eighteen 380 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,480 hundreds had a lot of classes with the native tribes. 381 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,119 There's a lot of fighting going on there, a lot 382 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,640 of deaths. That canyon may have had. Some of that 383 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,759 happen up there, a lot of mining operations where people 384 00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:08,799 might have been hurt or killed. There's a lot of 385 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,480 rich history up there, and a lot of it wasn't good. 386 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,680 About ten years ago, they found human remains in that 387 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:24,759 same canyon. They identified it as this forty year old 388 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:29,000 woman who lived in West Valley City, which west of 389 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:32,880 Salt Lake City. They found just human remains up there, 390 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,839 and they finally identified this person that had been up 391 00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:39,359 there for months in that very same canyon up kind 392 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,839 of where above where those mines are. They don't know 393 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,519 how she got up there. Somehow she got a ride, 394 00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:48,440 took a bus or something, and just they don't know 395 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,200 why she hiked up into this canyon and fell off 396 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,039 a cliff and died. 397 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 4: It was on the news and everything. 398 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 3: And it's really strange that like some hiker just went 399 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,480 off the trail and happened to find her bones out there. 400 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 4: Another instance that I have. 401 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 3: This happened in nineteen ninety six when I was eighteen. 402 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 4: My friend Mark and I went hiking up there. 403 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 3: It was really late when we were hiking, and we 404 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,960 were coming down the canyon and it just kind of 405 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,839 felt like something was off. 406 00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 4: I took him home, he lived about five minutes away. 407 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,559 Then I went home. 408 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 3: And when I went to bed, when as a teenager, 409 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,000 I couldn't sleep without having like music on, I would 410 00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:42,559 turn on. I had a like a Sony stereo receiver 411 00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:45,279 in one of those five to CD changers, and I 412 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:49,519 would just turn music on really low. I lay in bed, 413 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:53,519 I'm trying to go to sleep. The light from the 414 00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:57,200 stereo and the CD player just it kind of you know, 415 00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:59,319 emits a little bit of light like a nightlight, and 416 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,559 I'm laying in bed and I felt like something was 417 00:27:03,559 --> 00:27:05,400 in my room. I had my door shut. 418 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 4: And something. 419 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 3: I just felt like, something ominous was in my room. 420 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:14,240 I couldn't see my stereo, like it's something stepped in 421 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,559 front of it. And I'm thinking, I'm just tired. So 422 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,920 I decided to open my eyes, thinking maybe like one 423 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,640 of my family members came in, but they never did, 424 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,000 and I wouldn't hurt my door open. As soon as 425 00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:26,759 I opened my eyes, it was like a black mist 426 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,279 just banished, and whatever it was, it was not a 427 00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:34,599 good thing. The next day, I was talking to my 428 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,160 friend Mark, and I didn't really think much about it. 429 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,720 I thought me about I just tired, and it was 430 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:41,599 just it was the creepiest thing. But when I brought 431 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,880 it up, and his face just went completely pale and 432 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,720 he was just shocked. He said, he's like, what time 433 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:49,400 did that happen? And I said it was like eleven 434 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,279 forty five or something, and He's like, the exact same 435 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:58,440 thing happened to me last night. In his bedroom. He 436 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,119 has a bunk bed that he and his brother to 437 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,680 share a bedroom, and they just left the bunk bed 438 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,200 and there my friend Mark slept on the top bunk. 439 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,440 His bunk bed is really tall. I remember it being 440 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,000 like a really tall and I'm over. I've been over 441 00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:10,680 six feet. 442 00:28:10,519 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 4: Tall since I was like sixteen. His bed is like. 443 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,799 Speaker 3: This mattress is like the top of my head, he said. 444 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:24,279 He was laying in bed, felt like something was standing 445 00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:28,759 by his bed staring at him. He says he opened 446 00:28:28,759 --> 00:28:31,279 his eyes and there was about a seven to eight 447 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:38,000 foot tall shadow figure or dark figure standing staring at him. 448 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,480 He said it scared him so bad he threw a 449 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:42,920 punch and his arm just went through it, and then 450 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,880 it just evaporated. And he said he could make out 451 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,079 kind of eye sockets, sort of some facial features. 452 00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 4: But he said that whatever it was, it was not 453 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:53,599 a good thing. It was evil. 454 00:28:55,160 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 3: It felt like something following us down the canyon. And 455 00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:03,519 we think that something visited us at the exact same time, 456 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:12,000 and it wasn't good. It was malevolent. So this happened 457 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,759 in the summer of I believe twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen. 458 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,720 I was hiking solo. I was way up the canyon 459 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,839 and by the time I was coming down, it was 460 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,200 about ten thirty eleven o'clock at night. I wasn't anywhere 461 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,319 near this camp spot where we were back in the 462 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,680 nineties where I heard that whatever it was walking on 463 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:36,480 our ten. But I was coming down the canyon and 464 00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:39,119 it was just an absolutely gorgeous night. 465 00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 4: No wind, it was clear skies. 466 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 3: There was like a really bright I think a full 467 00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:45,039 moon just brought above me where the sun. 468 00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:45,519 Speaker 4: Is at noonday. 469 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,359 Speaker 3: And I'm coming down the trail and it was so 470 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,160 bright outside. I didn't have my headlamp on. I had 471 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,079 it on my head just because there's mountain lions up 472 00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:54,799 there and there's skungs you don't want to run into 473 00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:56,039 at night. 474 00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 4: But it was so bright. 475 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 3: I was just coming down the trail and as I 476 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,359 always got the creeps when I go went past where 477 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,039 this old pioneer cemetery or burial plot is from the 478 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:08,880 eighteen hundreds, that sits right next to these old band 479 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,720 and this old a band in gold and silver mine 480 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,200 and again this mine sealed up, but it was a 481 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,160 massive operation back in the day. And I heard voices 482 00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:21,400 over there, and I'm to hear people talking. So I 483 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,599 get down there. I'm like, okay, am I hearing this right? 484 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,400 And I stopped and I could hear people talking over that. 485 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,880 I didn't see any flashlights, I didn't see any campfire, 486 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:32,799 but I could hear a conversation going on, but I 487 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:35,359 couldn't quite make out what they were saying, and I 488 00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:37,000 thought it was kind of odd there would be people 489 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,279 over there because it's really overgrown and just completely bushwhacked. 490 00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:43,160 It's really hard to get over into that spot now, 491 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,400 So I decided I was going to just kind of 492 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,519 creep through the trees and go look over there. So 493 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,079 I went off the trail and you have to kind 494 00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:54,400 of cross the stream and go up this river bank 495 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,000 about fifteen twenty feet that's kind of steep, and the 496 00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,000 second I get to the off of this river bank, 497 00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:05,720 this voice has completely stopped. And I thought it was 498 00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:08,319 really odd, because the funny thing is I actually thought 499 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:09,720 it might be somebody I knew, and I was just 500 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,799 going to go over there and try to scare them 501 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:13,359 because I would run into people up there pretty often 502 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,480 that I knew that lived in the area. But the 503 00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:18,559 second I got to the top of that river bank, 504 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,319 the voice has stopped, and there's no way anybody if 505 00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:24,200 anybody was over there knew I was there because I 506 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,599 didn't make any sound, I didn't have my head lamp on. 507 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,519 I was kind of going through the shadows of the trees, 508 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,279 and so I stood there and the trees looking out 509 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,920 kind of into that area seemed like it's anybody moving 510 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,039 around because it was really bright with the moon, and 511 00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:40,039 I decided, okay, I'm going to turn my headlampon. So 512 00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:42,160 I turned my head lamp on and I stepped out there, 513 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,119 and there was nobody there, and I heard a conversation, 514 00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:48,400 multiple people talking. 515 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 4: Couldn't, like I said, I couldn't make out what they 516 00:31:50,279 --> 00:31:55,119 were saying. And again, I'm just like, this is really weird. 517 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 3: And so I started looking around, and I don't go 518 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,319 over there very often because it's just so overgrown and 519 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,119 I'm you know, kind of bushwhacking through the trees and 520 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:05,960 looking around, and again I just felt like I was 521 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,960 being watched. I felt like there was eyeballs on me, 522 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,759 and just there's something or somebody. 523 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,079 Speaker 4: Was watching me. 524 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 3: And it was really creepy. And I looked everywhere. So 525 00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:15,480 I decided, Okay, I'm just gonna hike down. I'm gonna 526 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,240 come back up the next day and see if there's 527 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:19,079 any way if there were people up here, if they 528 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,599 could have just taken off without me hearing them or 529 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:27,240 seeing them. I went up there the next day during 530 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,799 the day, and the only way to get into that 531 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,400 spot without just absolutely making a lot of noise and 532 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,759 bushwhacking through everything was the way I went. 533 00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:38,759 Speaker 4: It is the best way to get in. I couldn't, 534 00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:40,960 for live me figure out. 535 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 3: If somebody was up there, how they would just take 536 00:32:42,759 --> 00:32:45,880 off or be able to even hide, because I looked everywhere, 537 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,160 and I believe that possibly it was I don't know, 538 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,559 spirits or something over there, residual energy or something maybe, 539 00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:58,519 but there was a full blown conversation going on over there. 540 00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,279 And sometimes the sounds of the city come up into 541 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:04,480 the canyon, and I've heard that, but this definitely wasn't. 542 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:06,920 I thought that's what it was at first, until I 543 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,319 got close enough and I could still hear people talking. 544 00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:12,519 And it just gives me the goosebumps thinking about that 545 00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:15,599 right now, and it freaked me out. When I was 546 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,480 over there. One hundred percent there was people over there talking. 547 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,720 I don't know why it stopped as soon as I 548 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,119 got to the top of that river bank and then 549 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,559 went over there. And even if there were people there 550 00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:26,920 and they knew I was there and they went to 551 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,119 go hide, I would have for sure at least heard them, 552 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,480 and it would have been almost impossible for them not 553 00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:36,839 to make a lot of noise. There was a high 554 00:33:36,839 --> 00:33:40,200 school teacher of mine. He moved to Colorado and he 555 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,359 lived up the street and he hiked up in those 556 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,799 mountains all the time, and he's like, yeah, this area 557 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,200 is crazy haunted. He's like, I've seen and heard things 558 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,400 up in these canyons, but I've heard by myself a lot. 559 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:53,839 And he said that he avoided that area where these 560 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,359 pioneers are supposedly buried. 561 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 4: He just said it was really creepy. 562 00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 3: My friend Dale, he said that he was hiking down 563 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:10,320 from that canyon one night and there's an old another 564 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,280 old mine further up. But he said that he was 565 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,159 coming down that and he could see almost like a 566 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:16,320 shadow figure. 567 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,159 Speaker 4: Like standing near it when he's hiking down at night. 568 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,599 Speaker 3: He just took off running down the canyon and he 569 00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:24,159 said something was standing there and he could see it outlined. 570 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:30,519 Speaker 4: Against the rocks because he's coming down the trail. We 571 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,639 still camp in this spot to this day. We went 572 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:34,239 up there. 573 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 3: Last fall, my son and I when he got old. No, 574 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,199 we started camping up there by eight years ago. But 575 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,079 this last fall we camped up there in this same 576 00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:46,119 spot again. I was sleeping in a hammock. My son 577 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,239 was sleeping in a hammock and my friend Ryan. 578 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,599 Speaker 4: Had gone with us. Not twelve thirty night. 579 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 3: I got out of my hammock and that he's the 580 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,760 bathroom and relieved myself. When I got up and I walked, 581 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,639 you know, to go do my business, I heard a 582 00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:02,440 whisper in my ear that said hey. 583 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 4: I looked, I turned around. 584 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 3: I thought maybe my friend Ryan had gone out of 585 00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:10,480 his tent or something, and nobody was there, and it 586 00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:11,159 freaked me out. 587 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 4: So I looked over and I went over my friend's. 588 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 3: Tent and I was like, you know, Ryan, Ryan, you 589 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,320 no seeing if he was awake, if he said something 590 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,519 to me, he was out. 591 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,599 Speaker 4: My son was out. 592 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 3: I don't know what that was, but it was right 593 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,199 in my ear, and I was probably about thirty or 594 00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:30,079 forty feet away from him when I heard this, and it. 595 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 4: Was pitts black outside. There was no moon. 596 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: We've camped in this spot had probably eight to ten 597 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,159 times in the last seven or eight years, and this 598 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,199 is the most recent thing that happened. When I heard 599 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,960 that whisper in my ear, that voice was unrecognizable. I'm 600 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,400 not sure who it was or what it was, but 601 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,480 it startled me pretty bad, and it kind of brought 602 00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,599 back memories of the whatever it was. 603 00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:55,559 Speaker 4: Creeping around our tent. 604 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,119 Speaker 3: The canyon is pretty creepy at times, but I've never 605 00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:11,039 had fear of camping up there. I think there's something 606 00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:14,639 up there in that area unexplained. The things that I've 607 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:17,840 heard and seen. I mean, I've hiked up in this 608 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,599 area hundreds of times, and ninety nine percent a time 609 00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:21,519 it's nothing. 610 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 4: But it's a little spooky. When you're up there at night. 611 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,320 You hear things, and you'll hear some voices. And I've 612 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,280 heard laughing coming out of the trees. 613 00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 3: Before, like somebody laughing when I've been up there just 614 00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:36,320 camping with some of my friends when nobody was up there. 615 00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:40,880 So a lot of strange noises, a lot of unexplained 616 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:46,960 things go on up there in that area. There's an 617 00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:48,599 energy up there that I can't explain. 618 00:36:57,559 --> 00:36:59,639 Speaker 2: All Right, I really hope you enjoyed these stories. I 619 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,199 have a couple of notes here. We're gonna start off 620 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,719 with the Killy story, the very first one that we 621 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,960 heard tonight, this one when you were having the phone call. 622 00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:10,440 There was some very interesting things here that I thought about, 623 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,840 which were just how early she started experiencing all these things, 624 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,880 you know, before she could speak like she was. She 625 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,320 couldn't even understand death. At that moment, she was able 626 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,480 to communicate with somebody who wasn't there, you know. But 627 00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:29,239 then once we started finding out more about the details, 628 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,559 that's what makes these things more connected. 629 00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 4: Right. 630 00:37:34,039 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 2: It seems like at first or like we're hearing several 631 00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:40,800 experiences from her, and then they start connecting because she's 632 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,360 the one that has the ability to see this. Now, 633 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:48,159 did you get catch this the cowboy silhouette incident? Now 634 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,719 because her aunt saw that same figure years earlier, she 635 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,840 hadn't told her about it, doesn't that prove just how 636 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,360 much or how little we know about what else is 637 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,599 out there. It's what makes me think, right, because when 638 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,039 things get proven that like that, like when you see 639 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:11,119 something and somebody says, oh, I also saw that thing, 640 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,960 a person who's hearing this might be like, well, they 641 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,039 just probably made it up, or no, they're you know, 642 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,840 there's there's something else there. Maybe it was a coincidence, 643 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,039 and it's possible, yeah, but then it's also possible that 644 00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:29,360 it isn't. So I feel like it's a concept debate 645 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,079 here when we're talking about this, because there is this 646 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,719 level of skepticism that I try to keep as we're 647 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,320 listening to stories. But also we have to believe that 648 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,800 what a person saw that they believe that they saw 649 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,559 that they experienced also has their truth to it, right, 650 00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:48,559 So we can't just cancel out the parts that we 651 00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:51,159 want to believe because it makes sense. We also have 652 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,079 to accept everything, you know, because yeah, this is how 653 00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:58,639 it is. We can't just pick what we want. The 654 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:01,519 other note here is that I have of something about 655 00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:05,039 the medium. You know, the person who said, hey, you 656 00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:07,239 know they were interviewing somebody. I think it, Yeah, Kelly 657 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,800 was interviewing somebody and they said, hey, by the way, 658 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,000 you have this thing. It wants to talk to you 659 00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:17,360 or has a message, and that it's going to come back, 660 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:25,199 Like imagine you're hearing that, like goodness. Also if it 661 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,159 hasn't happened yet, is it going to happen? Is something 662 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:29,480 going to try to reach out to her? 663 00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 4: You know? 664 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,280 Speaker 2: When we're talking about scary stories and the person is 665 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,840 reliving the things that they're communicating to us, right like 666 00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:40,320 as they're telling us a story that they're thinking back 667 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,559 on it and everything. I do get several emails like 668 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,000 it's a common thing. We put an email me saying, hey, 669 00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:48,639 you know what, after I told you the story, this 670 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,760 thing happened or I thought of this other thing. Strange 671 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,440 little messages start coming by, and I feel like we 672 00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:59,639 open up in our minds back to that. And I'm 673 00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:03,960 curious to know if Kaylee you're listening, has anything happened, 674 00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:08,039 Has anything happened since? Very curious, you know, hopefully we 675 00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:11,559 don't trigger something here that we don't want. I talk 676 00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:13,880 a little bit about even story, right, because this is 677 00:40:14,159 --> 00:40:17,079 a whole different energy to it. This was not really 678 00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:20,639 a person but a location. And here we talk about 679 00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:25,039 pioneer activity, you know, mining and all that stuff, abandoned mines, 680 00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:26,880 and you know, I follow this YouTube channel. I'm not 681 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,679 sure what the name of it is, but it talks 682 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,519 about this guy who lives in the Sarah Gordo area 683 00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:38,079 in California where they had silver mines or something like that, 684 00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:40,639 and he's living there. He's trying to build out this town, 685 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,719 like reviving it and everything, and I find that very interesting. 686 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,760 But there's also a lot of crime and a lot 687 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,840 of stuff that you know, happens when you build out 688 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,400 these towns because there's money there and everybody's close with 689 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,360 each other, like as in everybody knows each other, they 690 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,599 know each other's dramas, they want each other. There's things 691 00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:04,400 and things can get a little crazy. Well, this one 692 00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:07,679 was about the cemetery area, and I don't know, it 693 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,039 just really got me thinking of a time that we 694 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:15,360 discovered this cemetery. I mean for us in college, you know, 695 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,840 back in the in the day in Pomona. I'm not 696 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,360 sure if any of you guys are familiar with this 697 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:23,280 southern California, the Pomona area. You know, it has it's 698 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,840 known for some of its dark side, right, it has 699 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,519 a lot of night activity. So we can leave it 700 00:41:30,559 --> 00:41:33,800 at that, you know, But there's this hill, there's this 701 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,599 mountain area. You know, as you're driving around southern California 702 00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:39,480 you see these hills sometimes you always wonder like who, 703 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,280 like like do they belong to anybody? Like what is that? Well, 704 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,440 we found a way to get in, and in order 705 00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:47,280 to get in, to climb up to the top and 706 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,519 just kind of sit there for a little bit, we 707 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:54,280 had to cross through this abandoned, really really old cemetery 708 00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:57,280 and I remember it was under a bridge. It's around 709 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:02,480 it's around Polypomona, around that universe city. When we stumbled 710 00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:04,599 upon it, We're like, whoa, this is so insane. We're 711 00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:08,239 seeing the years there, like earlier in nineteen hundreds, late 712 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,840 eighteen hundreds, I believe, not one hundred percent sure, but 713 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,599 that was ierie enough. I imagine a campground, a campsite 714 00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:18,360 being around somewhere around there. I think that would be 715 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:21,360 I don't know. I wouldn't stay there, but you know, 716 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,360 also the same the similar things here happen right where 717 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,000 he experienced these things. He told the stories to other people. 718 00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:30,559 Other person says, hey, you know what, me too. I 719 00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:32,840 try it to go that way. There's just something there, 720 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,119 something really eerie. So how many times has that happened? 721 00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:39,880 Where you experienced something you tell somebody, they're like, oh, yeah, 722 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,719 well I experienced that too. And I have one experience 723 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,760 something that happened with me back in I want to say, 724 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,719 like eight or so years ago, when I had arrived 725 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,480 to Ecuador. Now how that works. I used to make 726 00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:54,719 that trip often right, and I would have to stay 727 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,599 overnight in an airport before going to that city in 728 00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:01,719 the morning. So anyway, I was really tired, and as 729 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,039 I arrived at my wife's house like her family, like 730 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,880 they have this room, the next room in an area 731 00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:10,719 in their backyard, like as they have a separate little building. 732 00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:17,039 And I stayed there. I was sleeping and I get 733 00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:20,280 woken up by this and I'm not making this up 734 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,119 at all, okay, and I'm not trying to make this 735 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,239 a thing like this is genuinely, like, genuinely what I saw. 736 00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:29,119 It was a little boy who was standing at the 737 00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,559 foot of the bed, actually a little distance away, maybe 738 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,000 maybe about a meter away, like a yard away from 739 00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:37,039 the foot of the bed, and he was just standing 740 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:40,239 there staring at me. Now, I woke up and I 741 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,239 kind of looked his way and I saw him and 742 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:46,000 I'm like, oh no, like like some you know, some 743 00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:48,880 family member, somebody's kid is up here and I'm trying 744 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,039 to sleep, and I remember he was like really dirty, 745 00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:56,760 like covered in mud, like really really dirty, and I 746 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,800 looked at him, kind of dozed off again. I just 747 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,079 fell asleep. I'm like, if igno, he's just gonna go away. 748 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,480 And that was that. Right About a couple hours later, 749 00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:08,719 they called me to go get dinner and I go 750 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,880 down there and I'm like, you're not gonna believe what 751 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,800 I just saw. There was a little kid at the 752 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,840 foot of the bed, and everybody at the table looked 753 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,280 at each other and they were like, what room did 754 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,239 you stay in? And then one of the people that said, oh, 755 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,920 and et de la Bruca in the witch's room. I 756 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,719 was like what they said. You know, everybody has had 757 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,039 like an experience in that room, but usually it's like 758 00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:42,760 this this witch that comes as you're sleeping and like 759 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,679 sits on top of you, like kind of sleep proalyssis 760 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,400 kind of thing, old hag kind of thing. And I 761 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:51,920 was like, well, that's not what happens, Like, oh, well, 762 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,920 we've seen things there, you know, why would I see 763 00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,599 a little kid covered in mud? I don't know. And 764 00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:02,000 back to this thing, right, I saw something other people 765 00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:03,960 had seen that I had no idea that this was 766 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,760 a thing there, And I felt like, why didn't you 767 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,960 guys tell me, right, I was gonna be sleeping there. 768 00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:10,639 But anyway, I found that super interesting. Just kind of 769 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,719 little note there. If you have experienced something like this 770 00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:18,320 or any other paranormal kind of incidents, please reach out. 771 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,480 Go to true scarystory dot com. 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