Speaker 1: If you do have KCB talk station. Happy Tuesday to
Speaker 1: you return of Steve Gooden at bottom of the enread
Speaker 1: to give us some breakdown on the Supreme Court decision
Speaker 1: about the Venezuelan prisoners. But in the meantime, welcome back
Speaker 1: from the Taxpayer Protection Alliance, Dave Williams. Always good to
Speaker 1: have you on the phone, Dave, Welcome.
Speaker 2: Good morning, Brian, a belated happy Easter and hope you
Speaker 2: had a really nice, quiet Easter.
Speaker 1: I did, and at the end of my I had
Speaker 1: a week off last week, which mental health week off
Speaker 1: is kind of what I was calling it, because every
Speaker 1: once in a while you got to take some time
Speaker 1: to exhale, and so I was able to do that
Speaker 1: and really was enjoyable. Getting back into the gear of
Speaker 1: things has been a little challenging for me, though, Dave.
Speaker 1: It's like you need a vacation, a week of vacation
Speaker 1: to come off your week of vacation.
Speaker 3: So wait, did you go to Al Savador last week? No?
Speaker 1: I did, Yeah, trying to bring some gang members in
Speaker 1: El Salvador. Yeah, Sea Coat Prison. Anyhow, Now I stayed
Speaker 1: at home and slept and stared at the back of
Speaker 1: my eyelids, for the Lextra, like the time Dave I
Speaker 1: got the biggest kick because Joe Strecker does what we
Speaker 1: call the rundown and it shows me who's going to
Speaker 1: be on the program and also the topics that we
Speaker 1: will be discussing. Dave Williams at seven oh five, Congress
Speaker 1: utter disregard for fiscal responsibility. That's making making me laugh
Speaker 1: all morning, because you know, as long as I've been
Speaker 1: alive and I'll be sixty in September, Man, it's just
Speaker 1: been the order of business. They always disregard fiscal responsibility.
Speaker 1: But this is you're gonna have to break this down
Speaker 1: for my listeners and me because they're in the process
Speaker 1: of doing this reconciliation thing. So the Senate's got a version,
Speaker 1: their houses got a version. The Senate only is requiring
Speaker 1: four billion dollars in spending cuts. Is that four billions
Speaker 1: is the Congressional Budget Office does its budget and that's
Speaker 1: four billion over ten years.
Speaker 2: That's four billion over ten years. And that's not a cut, No,
Speaker 2: it's not. It's it's a flesh wound as money. Python
Speaker 2: would say. You know, this is something that is very
Speaker 2: problematic because reconciliation is key to getting back to tax
Speaker 2: cuts and extending the tax cuts. So they have to
Speaker 2: do this, They have to come up with some sort
Speaker 2: of agreement. And you're right, the Senate is talking about
Speaker 2: four billion dollars over ten years now. Listen, I was
Speaker 2: offended when I saw the House was only cutting one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty billion a year. Wow, I mean compared
Speaker 2: to the Senate, this is this is incredible. But again,
Speaker 2: you know, so much more has to be done here.
Speaker 1: Okay, So as you right in in it's protecting taxpayers
Speaker 1: Dot Org folks, bookmarkt and pay attention with Dave and
Speaker 1: the team are doing over the taxpayer protection lines. But
Speaker 1: as you point out, it only requires four billion of
Speaker 1: minimum spending on the Senate side, in stark contrast to
Speaker 1: the House's one point five trillion requirement, which you know,
Speaker 1: if you just compare the two numbers, this is a
Speaker 1: substantial difference. But we e blow through about two trillion
Speaker 1: dollars more annually than they take in, am I right
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 2: There in lies the problem is that they're not even
Speaker 2: making a dent in the deficit. And let's not even
Speaker 2: talk about the debt, because the debt is going to
Speaker 2: continually increase over the next five, ten, fifteen, I mean
Speaker 2: until you know, as far down the road as we
Speaker 2: can see.
Speaker 3: And this is the time to do it, Brian.
Speaker 2: We have a Republican House, a Republican Senate, and obviously
Speaker 2: a Republican in the White House. This is the time
Speaker 2: to cut spending because we have no idea what twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six is going to look like for the House
Speaker 2: or the Senate. We may never see these conditions again.
Speaker 2: And you know, listen, I like Speaker Johnson. I think
Speaker 2: he's a decent guy. He's just not bold enough. Remember
Speaker 2: back to the days of nuke Gingrich and you know,
Speaker 2: we had such stronger Speakers of the House and I
Speaker 2: just don't see that with Mike Johnson. And again, he's
Speaker 2: a nice guy, and I think he's trying to do
Speaker 2: the right thing. But we need, you know, more leadership
Speaker 2: and then stronger leadership in the House and the Senate.
Speaker 2: Four billion dollars over ten years. That's embarrassing, that's absolutely embarrassing.
Speaker 1: It is embarrassing. So you know, what I really am
Speaker 1: always looking for is what is the explanation. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Republican Party always pays lip service to being the
Speaker 1: party of fiscal responsibility. It's in their platform. They talk
Speaker 1: about it. They complain about deficits, if they complain about
Speaker 1: outrageous spending, of course, thank god for doge. At least
Speaker 1: we're getting an eye full of all the crazy crap
Speaker 1: that we labor for every day and have that money
Speaker 1: removed from our paychecks and go off to like I
Speaker 1: don't know, Sesame Street programs in Iraq or whatever. But
Speaker 1: that's just tiny little bits and pieces. I know, mind
Speaker 1: the pennies and the dollars will mind themselves. But I mean,
Speaker 1: we've got trillions of additional dollars that are spent. And
Speaker 1: with all that and all that being said, what's the
Speaker 1: explanation from at least the Republican side of the Ledger
Speaker 1: in the Senate for why they were only willing to
Speaker 1: consider cutting four billion over ten years.
Speaker 2: So John fun who's the leader of the Senate right now, said,
Speaker 2: this is the best deal that they can get that
Speaker 2: they can that can pass the Senate.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is what the Republicans.
Speaker 2: Because the Republicans don't have the I can't say it
Speaker 2: on the air, but they don't have the intestinal fortitudevos
Speaker 2: exactly exactly, Well.
Speaker 1: Why not that.
Speaker 2: There's so many moderate Republicans that are afraid to cut
Speaker 2: spending because they think that it's going to hurt them
Speaker 2: in the polls. Now, this is the crazy part, Brian.
Speaker 2: I think that if they were bold, people would appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Look at the you mentioned DOGE. Look at the support
Speaker 2: that DOGE is getting. Look at what it's doing going
Speaker 2: through every milk and cranny of the budget and of
Speaker 2: these agencies and finding just disgusting examples of waste, fraud
Speaker 2: and abuse. And listen, this is something that Rand Paul
Speaker 2: has been doing for years. Yeah, now we actually hear
Speaker 2: about it on a daily basis, and now is the
Speaker 2: time to do this. And you know, we're potentially talking
Speaker 2: about trillions of dollars that could be cut from the
Speaker 2: federal government and.
Speaker 3: Nobody would notice.
Speaker 2: Like you said, you know, Sesame Street in Iraq, all
Speaker 2: these crazy research programs, No one will notice if these
Speaker 2: programs go bye bye.
Speaker 1: I'm just I mean, i feel like I'm getting rid
Speaker 1: of boil over with anger because when you see this
Speaker 1: on paper, as you have it on your Taxpayer Protection
Speaker 1: Lines web page. Yeah, I just want to start, you know,
Speaker 1: slapping these people across the face metaphorically speaking. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a man of violence, but you know, it's like,
Speaker 1: what in God's name are you thinking? Just as you
Speaker 1: point out, this is like the only opportunity you may
Speaker 1: ever have to stop us and save us from ourselves,
Speaker 1: and you are the ones that are supposed to be
Speaker 1: saving us from ourselves, and in fact you're the one
Speaker 1: that can't save You can't save yourself. You're addicted to
Speaker 1: the spending is it pet projects in Republican states that
Speaker 1: they're worried about losing? I mean what, I just don't
Speaker 1: get any There's no rationale behind letting this opportunity pass
Speaker 1: up that I can figure out.
Speaker 3: No, and the American public is ready for this.
Speaker 2: I mean, you looked at the election last year, you
Speaker 2: look at what's happening with doose is.
Speaker 3: That people are ready for this. They're ready for spending cuts.
Speaker 2: And you know, the last time we had this, it
Speaker 2: was called the Tea Party, right, and I think we
Speaker 2: have a bit of a resurgence of it. We're not
Speaker 2: calling it the tea Party anymore. But I think people
Speaker 2: are fed up with Washington.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: You have a lot of these agencies that are letting
Speaker 2: people go and the only people that are complaining about
Speaker 2: this are the people in the agencies. Yeah, and inside
Speaker 2: the Beltway. Everyone else is like so what so what
Speaker 2: if these people, you know, they have been doing nothing
Speaker 2: for years? You know a lot of these bureaucrafts. Now
Speaker 2: it has to be done in a way where you know,
Speaker 2: you don't fire everyone an agency.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. That's a little tempting it is.
Speaker 3: Let me get back to you on that.
Speaker 1: But depends on.
Speaker 2: Massive savings because if if you get rid of someone
Speaker 2: who's making one hundred thousand dollars a year, that actually
Speaker 2: multiplies over years because of their benefits and uh and
Speaker 2: down the road. So I think again, they're missing this opportunity.
Speaker 2: And I'm just I'm as frustrated as you are, because
Speaker 2: now it's the time to do it.
Speaker 1: Well, does the Taxpayer Protection Lines reach out to individual
Speaker 1: senators and and and give them a tongue lashing or
Speaker 1: try to encourage them.
Speaker 2: On hundred percent, we are calling out the Republicans and
Speaker 2: we're saying, listen, this is the time to do it.
Speaker 2: And we you know, we are writing letters, we are
Speaker 2: going up and visiting with these offices, and we're getting
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3: And you know, people may not know this, but so
Speaker 3: we get a.
Speaker 2: Lot of pressure from Republicans to support the budget, to
Speaker 2: support these bills, and we refuse to. You look at
Speaker 2: the statement we made. It was a scathing statement, you know,
Speaker 2: against the Senate and now you know, looking at the House,
Speaker 2: what they're going to do. So you know, we're taking
Speaker 2: no prisoners here and listen, we want to support the
Speaker 2: Republicans because they say the right.
Speaker 3: Thing, but they don't do the right thing.
Speaker 1: That's it, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So no, we've been very.
Speaker 2: Active and very vocal on Capitol Hill trying to uh
Speaker 2: figure out what to do to have more spending cuts
Speaker 2: and really some more fiscal responsibility.
Speaker 1: It's frustrated, well, is this a call to action for
Speaker 1: my listeners? Disagreement their senators and we haven't even pivoted
Speaker 1: over to the Republican side, where it's only one point
Speaker 1: four trillion over ten years, that's not going to put
Speaker 1: really much of a dent in the in the in
Speaker 1: the fiscal reality of what's going on in the spending
Speaker 1: and the spending levels of Washington. I mean, both sides
Speaker 1: need to be get a tounne lashing.
Speaker 2: People should be calling their member of Congress, whether it's
Speaker 2: they're member of the House and a member of the Senate,
Speaker 2: they need to be calling because that's the only way
Speaker 2: this is going to change. And this is something now
Speaker 2: we've been talking for a number of years and I
Speaker 2: always say, see something, say something.
Speaker 3: You have to all your member of Congress.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get on that, folks. It's easy to do.
Speaker 1: Just get in touch with your elected officials Senate and Republicans.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't mince my words, be quite candid with you.
Speaker 1: This is the only, maybe the only opportunity in our
Speaker 1: lifetime where we can actually bring some fiscal responsibility and
Speaker 1: stop well, well, it's like a death by a thousand cuts.
Speaker 1: Eventually we're not going to be able to afford what
Speaker 1: we've what what our credit card tab and we're already
Speaker 1: a trillion dollars annually in interest Dave.
Speaker 2: Well and Brian think about this is if we, you know,
Speaker 2: have this problem with China so much, well, this is
Speaker 2: even more of a reason to cut spending and not
Speaker 2: be beholden to China to prop up our deficites.
Speaker 1: Prop it up. Yeah, and that's the other compounding worry,
Speaker 1: because what if they quit buying our bonds.
Speaker 2: That's a whole other conversation that's not going to be
Speaker 2: pretty at all that Congress and the President will have
Speaker 2: to have. And that's why all these things are interconnected
Speaker 2: and it has to start.
Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: Care see the talk station seven twenty fifty have KRCIT
Speaker 1: talk station find them online. Protecting Taxpayers dot org. It
Speaker 1: is Day Williams from the taxpayer Protection lines all right,
Speaker 1: pivoting over from the spineless Republicans in the House and
Speaker 1: Senate who refused to cut spending adequately enough to save
Speaker 1: us in the future of our country. Pivoting over to
Speaker 1: taxpayers and the taxes we pay. The Donald Trump tax
Speaker 1: cuts in Job Act of twenty seventeen's getting set to
Speaker 1: expire because the spineless idiots refused to ever enact something permanent.
Speaker 1: It's an opportunity to make these cuts permanent and everyone
Speaker 1: will benefit from this. Am I wrong, Dave Williams?
Speaker 2: So have you noticed, Brian, that whenever there's an increase
Speaker 2: in spending, that's permanent, right, that never expires. Whenever we
Speaker 2: cut taxes, there's always an expiration day. Tisnt I mean
Speaker 2: it should be the exact opposite. And listen, what happened
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen was amazing because we saw the economy
Speaker 2: take off. We saw thousand dollars bonuses going out to
Speaker 2: people from corporations. And remember Nancy Pelissi mocked this thousand
Speaker 2: dollars bonuses and said, what's a thousand dollars for somebody?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean talk about out of touch?
Speaker 1: Yeah, said the woman with a twenty five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: refrigerator freezer during COVID eating twelve fourteen dollars a pint
Speaker 1: ice cream. That woman is so out of touch anyhow, whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that's why we need to make these
Speaker 2: things permanent. These tax cuts permanent for individuals and businesses.
Speaker 2: Right now, if you're an individual in twenty seventeen, you
Speaker 2: got a tax cut. It made taxes a little bit simple. Listen,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you and say taxes are simple.
Speaker 2: But it increased the standard deduction, so a lot of
Speaker 2: people didn't have to put all the itemized deductions in
Speaker 2: to get you know, the bigger tax cut for businesses,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. We went from a forty percent corporate
Speaker 2: tax rate to a twenty one percent corporate tax rate,
Speaker 2: and you had companies flooding back into the country. Remember
Speaker 2: oh nineties and two thousands, the inversions where companies would
Speaker 2: leave this country basically on paper, right is that Tim
Speaker 2: Horton's bought Burger King. There's a lot of different inversions
Speaker 2: that happened. Corporations left this country. They came back in
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen because of the tax code, and we saw
Speaker 2: unemployment go down. It really was I mean twenty eighteen
Speaker 2: and twenty nineteen to great years. Obviously twenty twenty was COVID,
Speaker 2: but it's the tax cuts have to be permanent for
Speaker 2: this economy to get going.
Speaker 1: Well, I couldn't agree with you more. And and if
Speaker 1: the tax if these tax cuts go away, I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody's going to get hit. I mean you keep hearing
Speaker 1: the Democrats scream about, you know, billionaire tax coaches, taxcoachs
Speaker 1: for millionaires, and then it's not I mean, everyone gets
Speaker 1: the benefit from this, including regular working stiffs that are
Speaker 1: out there on the lower end of the pay scale.
Speaker 1: They've benefit from this. But what about the the salt deduction?
Speaker 1: My understanding is because I saw the article written by
Speaker 1: Faith Gibluco over a Taxpayer Protection Alliance about the corporate salt,
Speaker 1: which she points out would be welcome. Is there a
Speaker 1: standard deduction that they did enjoy or should rather be
Speaker 1: subjected to that might benefit us or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think there's you know, we are not
Speaker 2: being hypocrites here because do you have salt, which is
Speaker 2: a state and local tax taxes, you get to deduct
Speaker 2: a certain amount that was capped at ten thousand dollars
Speaker 2: right twenty seven.
Speaker 1: Because all we were doing was subsidizing high rent or
Speaker 1: high taxation states like California, New York, and New Jersey exactly.
Speaker 2: So what they're trying to do for the personal salt
Speaker 2: is to raise it to one hundred thousand dollars, which
Speaker 2: is insane.
Speaker 3: Absolutely insane, would would bust the budget. Now.
Speaker 2: Corporations are looking for what they call sea salt, the
Speaker 2: corporate state and local tax deduction. And no, if you're
Speaker 2: not going to give it to individuals, you can't give
Speaker 2: it to business. It has the same effect. And listen,
Speaker 2: we want businesses to grow. We want to give them
Speaker 2: an opportunity to grow in this country. But this is
Speaker 2: not the right way to do it. And there are
Speaker 2: so many things in the tax code right now that
Speaker 2: are disincentivizing business, and we need for business to stay here.
Speaker 2: And listen, businesses employee people. I remember I remember Mitt
Speaker 2: Romney saying corporations are people, right, I mean, and he
Speaker 2: wasn't wrong though, I mean they employ you know, you
Speaker 2: look at these big tech companies that everyone hates, Well,
Speaker 2: they employ millions of people, They pay property taxes, they
Speaker 2: pay you know, I fight, could they pay all of
Speaker 2: these taxes that are actually helping the country.
Speaker 3: So we want, but it has to start with individuals.
Speaker 2: It has to start with the individual tax cuts and
Speaker 2: making sure that like you said, you know, these middle
Speaker 2: income folks that they can still enjoy these tax cuts.
Speaker 1: Well, cost of everything's going up, and of course every
Speaker 1: little bit counts, and I like to keep more money
Speaker 1: in my pocket, particularly right and.
Speaker 2: Brian, and Brian remember the IRS they want to prepare your.
Speaker 3: Taxes now with direct files.
Speaker 2: They they want to get all of your financial information
Speaker 2: and say, you know, don't worry about filling this out.
Speaker 2: We'll fill it out for you. We'll tell you how
Speaker 2: much you owe or how much of a refund. So
Speaker 2: this is what the IRS is. What they want to
Speaker 2: do is prepare your taxes, which you know, I'd rather
Speaker 2: have the guy down the street that knows nothing about
Speaker 2: taxes prepare my taxes in the irons. I would trust
Speaker 2: him a lot more than bureau right in DC.
Speaker 1: Amen to that, brother, Amen. They can't even keep their
Speaker 1: own house in order. How many SOUS security numbers are
Speaker 1: still active for dead people, just among all the other
Speaker 1: things that Doges figured out. Anyhow, Dave Oyams, appreciate what
Speaker 1: you do each and every day. I'll encourage my listeners
Speaker 1: again to book mark your site Protecting Taxpayers dot org
Speaker 1: and again call to arms, call your senator and your
Speaker 1: representative and scream at them and tell them to quit
Speaker 1: or cut back on spending. You can get our house
Speaker 1: in order or we're all going to collapse under the
Speaker 1: weight of our debt. Dave, keep up the great work.
Speaker 1: We'll talk again soon, I hope. Thanks.
Speaker 3: Brian, have a great day you.
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