Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a stream going
Speaker 1: on here. Something just kiss my dog. Something killed your dog?
Speaker 1: My dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Are you
Speaker 1: putting we got some wonder or something probably around out here?
Speaker 2: Did you see what it was?
Speaker 1: Or was it was? Stand enough. I'm out here looking
Speaker 1: through the window now and I don't see anything. I
Speaker 1: don't want to go outside. Jesus quiet you better hello,
Speaker 1: get someboddy out here. What quin I'm out there? It's
Speaker 1: thought of a bitch of about second fort nine. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Easy an out there? Yeah, I'm walking right.
Speaker 3: Hey, are folks want to welcome our guest to the show.
Speaker 3: It is Chris from my old stomping grounds up in Georgia.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Man, Hey, thank you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I am glad to have you. So let's get right
Speaker 3: into it. Let's talk about this bigfoot thing. What guy
Speaker 3: you interested in the subject to begin with.
Speaker 4: I never really was.
Speaker 5: I was probably like most people, skeptical but optimistic. There's
Speaker 5: got to be something that somebody's seeing. You can't have
Speaker 5: this many reports and not be something. I've always been
Speaker 5: a fan of paranormal and I know there's some theories
Speaker 5: out there that maybe Bigfoot is a paranormal bean or
Speaker 5: a pair of universe type being that bounces between universes,
Speaker 5: or what have you. I believe now, but in the past,
Speaker 5: I was like, there's got to be something to it.
Speaker 4: Hopefully optimistic.
Speaker 5: I can't possibly imagine that all of these sightings are
Speaker 5: just crazy people out there making stuff up, especially all.
Speaker 4: Over the world.
Speaker 5: The whole premise behind my experience a hunter. I didn't
Speaker 5: hunt very much when I was in my early adult years.
Speaker 5: I hunted when I was teenager, squirrel stuff like that
Speaker 5: with buddies when we were teenagers, and did some deer hunting.
Speaker 5: Went into the military. I was in the Marines. Of course,
Speaker 5: now I didn't have the privilege to be one of
Speaker 5: those badass marine corpse snipers, but as everybody knows, marine
Speaker 5: is a rifleman first, so when they taught us how
Speaker 5: to shoot at people, I lost my taste for hunting
Speaker 5: in general became something that you would do out of necessity.
Speaker 4: Didn't fast forward. I'd gotten out of the Marines in
Speaker 4: ninety six.
Speaker 5: In two thousand and six, joined the Army, the National Guard.
Speaker 5: In two thousand and nine, went to Afghanistan. I was
Speaker 5: there for a year and I was privileged to meet
Speaker 5: a lot of just outstanding people. One of these colonel
Speaker 5: that I met, he was an executive officer for my unit,
Speaker 5: introduced me to a group of people. When I got
Speaker 5: back from Afghanistan, I actually became really good friends with
Speaker 5: this fella.
Speaker 4: I went to work for him.
Speaker 5: I didn't have a job when I came back from Afghanistan,
Speaker 5: so I went basically on active duty at that point,
Speaker 5: active duty.
Speaker 4: With the state.
Speaker 5: Became really good friends with the warrant officer that I
Speaker 5: worked with or worked for, and subsequently he to kind
Speaker 5: of lend a little bit of credibility here, not that
Speaker 5: I really felt like I need to, but as part
Speaker 5: of the story, this gentleman ended up being a CW five. So,
Speaker 5: if you're familiar with the military ranks, C five is
Speaker 5: the highest warrant officer rank that you can get.
Speaker 4: They don't hand that out lightly.
Speaker 5: C W five is the you have a full bird
Speaker 5: colonel respond to a CW five with yes, sir.
Speaker 4: We became friends.
Speaker 5: He's got a place in North Georgia in Blairsville, which
Speaker 5: stits right on the edge or is really surrounded by
Speaker 5: the Chattyhoochie National Forest. That's roughly I think, close to
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand acres of forestland.
Speaker 4: There's not a whole lot out there.
Speaker 5: We were lucky that his place set real close to
Speaker 5: some National Forest property short drive and we hunted there
Speaker 5: from yes, probably starting around twenty eleven until he yes,
Speaker 5: maybe two thousand and sixteen.
Speaker 4: I had gotten injured prior to the.
Speaker 5: Deployment is steering deployment, and I've got bad knees, so
Speaker 5: I draw a little bit of disability from the VA
Speaker 5: for my knees. So I got to a point where
Speaker 5: I just couldn't do it anymore. I can climb up
Speaker 5: a ladder stand and sit in a ladder stand, but
Speaker 5: I can't climb up and down mountains. About twenty sixteen
Speaker 5: is when I stopped hunting up.
Speaker 4: There in North Georgia.
Speaker 5: This experience that I had probably happened around twenty thirteen
Speaker 5: twenty fourteen, and the way it all happened. I've never
Speaker 5: been afraid really to be in the woods. There's something
Speaker 5: about nature that is peaceful all the time. So when
Speaker 5: this chaos to me happened, it scared me to a
Speaker 5: point that it made my blood would just run cold.
Speaker 5: Where I hunted at this particular area, my buddy would
Speaker 5: drop me off and then he would commute about another
Speaker 5: mile and a half down.
Speaker 4: The forestry road and go to his stand. My stand
Speaker 4: I had to go up. I don't want to guess
Speaker 4: at the incline.
Speaker 5: It wasn't quite forty five degree, but it was pretty
Speaker 5: dagon steep incline, and it's zig zagged. It had switchbacks
Speaker 5: on it, but it was probably about eight hundred, maybe
Speaker 5: a thousand yards of.
Speaker 4: Switchbacks up the side to get to the ridge line.
Speaker 5: When you get to the top of the ridge line,
Speaker 5: you can go right and continue up the ridge towards
Speaker 5: the top of the mountain, or you could turn left
Speaker 5: and there was like a hedge of laurel and some hardwoods.
Speaker 5: Anybody that's ever been fishing, and you get into that
Speaker 5: swampy area where you got a lot of those dead
Speaker 5: sticks stick it up out of the ground, which probably
Speaker 5: would have been a tree at some point before it
Speaker 5: became a swamp. That's why I caught them stick ups
Speaker 5: because they weren't very big, probably none of them taller
Speaker 5: than me.
Speaker 4: I'm six foot.
Speaker 5: They didn't have any in the winter time, they han't
Speaker 5: having leaves on them, so all the greenery was like
Speaker 5: this hedge of mountain laurels that ran off to the left,
Speaker 5: and then a game trail that weaved in and out.
Speaker 4: Of these little stick ups. So I followed the way,
Speaker 4: or where I put my sand.
Speaker 5: I followed that little game trail, and then went down
Speaker 5: the other side of the ridge about ten yards maybe,
Speaker 5: and climbed a tree with my climbing stand, climbed up
Speaker 5: to the level of the ridge, so that anything I
Speaker 5: was shooting at was pretty much at eye level. I
Speaker 5: wasn't shooting up and I wasn't shooting down. Because this
Speaker 5: was a well used game trail. I figured I got
Speaker 5: a good chance, and this is where I always put
Speaker 5: my stand. For the whole time that we hunted there,
Speaker 5: all ever saw were turkeys. But I knew something was
Speaker 5: using that trail because it was well worn. On this
Speaker 5: particular evening, I thought I'm gonna get out. I always
Speaker 5: tried to get out before dark. Now I know a
Speaker 5: lot of people. They are hardcore hunters. They're gonna sit
Speaker 5: there until legal shooting light. If you've been in the mountains,
Speaker 5: you know that it may be bright up tap, but
Speaker 5: when you start getting down low it gets dark quick.
Speaker 5: So having bad knees and trying to negotiate that, I
Speaker 5: said it was about five five point.
Speaker 4: Fifteen or so, so I'm gonna go ahead and get down.
Speaker 5: I scared a deer when I was coming back through
Speaker 5: the laurel and the stick ups. I scared a deer.
Speaker 5: I heard it run off to my right. I knew
Speaker 5: that it was a deer. Now i'll get to how
Speaker 5: I knew it was a deer, But you know what
Speaker 5: a deer sounds like when they run. Part of my
Speaker 5: story has to do with sounds, so I don't want
Speaker 5: to get too much into that. But I knew it
Speaker 5: was a deer, and I checked my app. I've got
Speaker 5: one of those apps that you used to find the
Speaker 5: feeding times, right, same for fishing and whatever. They've got
Speaker 5: a major time and a minor time throughout the day
Speaker 5: in that twenty four hour period where they're going.
Speaker 4: To feed they're somewhat accurate. It's not one hundred percent.
Speaker 5: But I checked it and according to the time, it
Speaker 5: was a minor feeding time, and I had said in
Speaker 5: the evening. What I meant was lunchtime that day. The
Speaker 5: evening part comes back to the story. So I scared
Speaker 5: the deer off lunchtime getting down, and I checked and
Speaker 5: that was about right feeding time. So I said, okay, tonight,
Speaker 5: I will sit until there's no shooting light. Because the
Speaker 5: feeding time, the major feeding time, was six PM. So
Speaker 5: it's okay, I'm sit. I'm gonna sit in this tree
Speaker 5: until it gets dark. Hopefully i'll kill something. It'll be
Speaker 5: worth falling down the mountain. So that night I gave
Speaker 5: him my stand. That afternoon, I guess it was probably
Speaker 5: we had lunch and got back in there about one
Speaker 5: o'clock one thirty and I sat.
Speaker 4: I sat the whole time. It was dark. I couldn't
Speaker 4: see nothing.
Speaker 5: When I climbed down, even the horizon was just barely purple.
Speaker 4: I climbed down.
Speaker 5: Unloaded my rifle like I always do, threw it over
Speaker 5: my shoulder, climbed up to the ridgeline, and started walking
Speaker 5: up the trail to get to the head of where
Speaker 5: I would walk back down. I got through those stick
Speaker 5: ups about halfway and I couldn't see because of the laurel.
Speaker 5: But what I heard, and it's weird to even talk
Speaker 5: about it now. First I heard a kind of a sound,
Speaker 5: and there were a lot of hunters out there are
Speaker 5: going to go, oh, you guys just got picked off.
Speaker 5: Deer just blue at you. Now, I know what a
Speaker 5: deer sounds like when it blows. This wasn't a deer.
Speaker 5: This sounded like somebody was ticked off. But it was
Speaker 5: real deep and real powerful. Then what I heard next
Speaker 5: is what made my blood run cold, because it was
Speaker 5: this combination of sounds that I've heard before, like a
Speaker 5: pig squill, a screech owl, just a combination of animals
Speaker 5: just to scream. I drew my pistol, immediately drew my pistol,
Speaker 5: just reflux and hit my flashlight.
Speaker 4: This is where I'm going to talk about those sounds
Speaker 4: of animals moving around. You know, deer.
Speaker 5: What a deer sounds like. It's very light footed, it
Speaker 5: sounds like it's.
Speaker 4: On four legs. You can hear it run.
Speaker 5: And you know what a bear sounds like when a
Speaker 5: bear runs. A bear doesn't really pick up its legs
Speaker 5: and shuff If you've ever seen one running through the
Speaker 5: woods or through the mountains, everything that grows on that
Speaker 5: mountain that is dead in the wintertime sticks to his fur.
Speaker 5: Everything sticks to it. It's like he's bringing a pile
Speaker 5: of leaves. Right, It's just a sound coming down the mountain.
Speaker 5: That's not what I heard. What I heard were heavy footsteps,
Speaker 5: just thuds, running away from me in the opposite direction.
Speaker 4: They died after that scream. And it wasn't a whoop.
Speaker 5: I know people talk about whoops or they even sometimes
Speaker 5: hear what sounds like a lady screaming. It was like
Speaker 5: that sound, but it was deeper. It was more from
Speaker 5: the gut. I didn't really feel it. I know people
Speaker 5: talk about they have heard the experiences where people say
Speaker 5: that they have these up close encounters, that these screams,
Speaker 5: that they can feel them like infrasound or whatever. I
Speaker 5: didn't really feel it as much that I can remember.
Speaker 5: But it may be that I was just scared out
Speaker 5: of my mind. But I heard it running away from me,
Speaker 5: and it wasn't a bear bear shuffles and drags everything
Speaker 5: with him. This was heavy footed and it was moving at.
Speaker 4: A pretty good clip.
Speaker 5: Just from the sound of moving away from me, I
Speaker 5: could tell that whatever it was in my mind, it
Speaker 5: was a bigfoot, but it was very long strides, so
Speaker 5: it would take a step. He would hear it like
Speaker 5: landing it by like a sledgehammer pounding on the dirt.
Speaker 5: That's just the best way I can describe it. So
Speaker 5: I gathered myself it's gone at this point because I
Speaker 5: don't hear anything else. What I think happened was what
Speaker 5: I was hoping would happen. Is there was a deer
Speaker 5: or some wildlife that was going to come down that
Speaker 5: game trail and give.
Speaker 4: Me a shot. But he got it, or at least
Speaker 4: tried to get it, and maybe he did.
Speaker 5: Maybe he drug it off with him because I adn't
Speaker 5: see anything, so maybe he took it with him. I
Speaker 5: get down the trail and my buddy standing in front
Speaker 5: of his truck, and I said, did you hear that?
Speaker 5: And he said no, I just got out of the truck,
Speaker 5: he says, I just pulled up. I thought he had
Speaker 5: been sitting there because he was standing in front of
Speaker 5: the truck.
Speaker 4: He's no, I didn't hear anything. I tell him the story.
Speaker 4: I just told you, and he laughs.
Speaker 5: Of course this is a big it's plenty to him,
Speaker 5: because I'm scared at this point.
Speaker 4: And I'm not one to normally be scared.
Speaker 5: Not that I'm some sort of badass or anything, but
Speaker 5: I'm I'm six foot tall, i was at that time
Speaker 5: probably two hundred and eighty pounds. I've been in the military,
Speaker 5: I've been in combat zone, I've been all over the world.
Speaker 5: Just being in the Marines, we like to beat on
Speaker 5: each other. I've never been one to really be scared
Speaker 5: of anything, and this scared me. And he could tell
Speaker 5: that I was scared. Maybe he was trying to make
Speaker 5: light of it.
Speaker 4: And make me feel better, but it didn't.
Speaker 5: It really irritated me, pissed me off a little bit
Speaker 5: because I felt he wasn't taken me seriously. Of course,
Speaker 5: hell I probably wouldn't have taken me seriously either. But
Speaker 5: to tie that in to a visual experience, the way
Speaker 5: I can describe this area where we hunt is there
Speaker 5: are two roads that split this ridge line. One road
Speaker 5: to the left, it's called Low Gap, and there's some
Speaker 5: houses and large tracks of land that are fenced off.
Speaker 5: I never saw any horses or anything out there. Maybe
Speaker 5: at one point they did, or maybe they've just fenced
Speaker 5: off their property, but large tracks of land, several maybe
Speaker 5: as much as ten acres. And I never liked hunting
Speaker 5: on the low Gap side of the mountain, mainly because
Speaker 5: there's a stream that runs through there. I know everybody's oh,
Speaker 5: a stream, animal's got to come and drink. Maybe it's
Speaker 5: military training.
Speaker 4: To what you.
Speaker 5: I didn't like it because the stream was too loud.
Speaker 5: I couldn't hear anything going on around me. The stream
Speaker 5: made too much noise.
Speaker 3: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 3: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: So I never hunted over there. Always hunted on the
Speaker 4: other side of the ridge.
Speaker 5: And basically if you were where those roads split off,
Speaker 5: if you were to start walking up the mountain there,
Speaker 5: that would take you right to where they were like these.
Speaker 5: You'd climb up and they'd be a flat spot, and
Speaker 5: then you'd climb over another ridge and there'd be a
Speaker 5: flat spot. And so there was probably like maybe six
Speaker 5: slap spots like that all the way up to the top.
Speaker 4: Of the mountain. So I left and went home.
Speaker 5: My friend called me the next evening and said, listen
Speaker 5: I want to tell you a story, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: here we go. He's about poke fun at me. That's like, okay,
Speaker 5: what is it? He said, I ran into I can't
Speaker 5: remember what his name is right off.
Speaker 4: But he's a local to the Blairsville area. My buddy
Speaker 4: told me.
Speaker 5: He says, when I came out of the woods this morning,
Speaker 5: this truck was sitting there by my truck. So I
Speaker 5: waited for him to come out of the woods to
Speaker 5: talk with him, get some insight on what's going on
Speaker 5: with the deer and.
Speaker 4: Stuff like that. I said, okay. He says, this is
Speaker 4: what he told me.
Speaker 5: I told him the story that you told me. I'm
Speaker 5: going to try and speak like this guy. The gentleman
Speaker 5: is not slow or mentally ill or anything like that.
Speaker 4: He's just country.
Speaker 5: So Alvin tells him, my friend tells him this story,
Speaker 5: and the guy says, let.
Speaker 4: Me tell you something. Don't be too quick to laugh.
Speaker 5: He said, I was hunting Low Gap Road by the
Speaker 5: stream over there on that fence line. He said, I
Speaker 5: saw two of something walking across that field. He said, buddy,
Speaker 5: they weren't human, but they were walking up right.
Speaker 4: I said, really. Alvin said, yeah, I just thought that
Speaker 4: I should tell you that story.
Speaker 5: That kind of lended credibility to me, because first of all,
Speaker 5: this guy's a local, he lives there. I don't want
Speaker 5: to say he's seen that type of stuff all the time,
Speaker 5: he sees stuff in the woods all the time, because
Speaker 5: he's always.
Speaker 4: In the woods in that area, he lives there.
Speaker 5: For me, that kind of settled in my mind that
Speaker 5: what I heard, even though I didn't see it, that
Speaker 5: what I heard was what I thought it was.
Speaker 4: After that, I've just stuck with it.
Speaker 5: Started watching the big Foot shows on TV and that
Speaker 5: kind of thing. And one night my wife and I
Speaker 5: and they made fun of me that Christmas was funny
Speaker 5: actually that Christmas because I told the family the story
Speaker 5: that Christmas, my daughter had gotten me a magnet for
Speaker 5: the refrigerator that said a Bigfoot Hide and Seek champion.
Speaker 4: Everybody thought it was real funny.
Speaker 5: But my wife and I we were laying in bed one night,
Speaker 5: she was reading her on her phone or something, and
Speaker 5: I was watching one.
Speaker 4: Of the Bigfoot shows they were doing.
Speaker 5: They call them the town hall meetings to talk to
Speaker 5: people and get their experiences.
Speaker 4: This person they stood up and described hearing what I heard.
Speaker 5: They described it just like I described it, and my
Speaker 5: wife looks over at me and she goes, that's exactly
Speaker 5: what you said you heard, and I said, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 5: that's what I'm trying to tell you. Then after that,
Speaker 5: I started noticing things in the woods.
Speaker 4: More than normal.
Speaker 5: So something I learned going to Afghanistan when we did
Speaker 5: our training to go to Afghanistan was being able to
Speaker 5: spot potential id's roadside bombs and stuff like that. One
Speaker 5: of the ways you could do that was the trigger
Speaker 5: men for these ied They'll stack rocks on the side
Speaker 5: of the road and that's their visual so they know
Speaker 5: that when the vehicle gets to those rocks, that's when
Speaker 5: they want to detonate it. And you know that because
Speaker 5: rocks don't stack themselves, right, somebody had to stack them.
Speaker 5: I started noticing then in the woods. I wouldn't always
Speaker 5: be on a trail. Sometimes you go places where nobody's
Speaker 5: ever been before, and I'll notice rocks are stacked up
Speaker 5: and you start looking around.
Speaker 4: There's no sign.
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying that Bigfoot stacked rocks, because I
Speaker 5: don't know that. I didn't see it, But rocks don't
Speaker 5: stack themselves in the middle of nowhere. In the North
Speaker 5: Georgia Mountains where there's ninety six thousand acres and I
Speaker 5: just happened to walk upon the same site that somebody
Speaker 5: else came through.
Speaker 4: It felt like stacking rocks. I just find that hard
Speaker 4: to believe.
Speaker 5: And I know that there are experiences people have with
Speaker 5: like trees being crossed over and made into these like
Speaker 5: egg shapes or what have you to note either danger
Speaker 5: or it's an arrow it's pointing this way, or hey,
Speaker 5: this is the spot or whatever, and not figuring rocks.
Speaker 4: It's the same thing.
Speaker 5: Anybody could stack a rock, but why in the hell
Speaker 5: would they do it in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 4: Out in the woods. It's weird. It's just weird stuff
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 5: That kind of covers my experience with that. So the
Speaker 5: trail camera pictures, I'm will send them to you as
Speaker 5: soon as I can find them. We keep cameras out
Speaker 5: on the property. I have sixty five acres here in
Speaker 5: Middle Georgia that we hunt on. There's a lot of
Speaker 5: there's turkey, pig and deer, so we keep trail cameras
Speaker 5: on there pretty regular And it's not just me that
Speaker 5: hunts down there. My wife's cousin hunts down there and
Speaker 5: his family. So I had this trail camera. I pulled
Speaker 5: the footage on. I want to say this was probably
Speaker 5: twenty twelve. Somebody else that was on one of your
Speaker 5: earlier episodes had talked about seeing like beams of light.
Speaker 5: So here's the short of it. You know how trail
Speaker 5: camera takes pictures, just takes them.
Speaker 4: As long as there's movement in front of them, they're going.
Speaker 5: To take a picture, and it might be every ten seconds,
Speaker 5: twenty seconds, whatever. So the first picture is a deer
Speaker 5: and a raccoon, and I want to say it was
Speaker 5: a squirrel, but it might not have been a squirrel
Speaker 5: because of us at night, and usually squirrels are bedded
Speaker 5: down at night. But it seems like there were three
Speaker 5: animals there on a pile of.
Speaker 4: Corn that I had put out.
Speaker 5: That's the best way to see what's on the property,
Speaker 5: especially before hunting season, because you used to not be
Speaker 5: able to.
Speaker 4: Use corn from one understand now it's completely legal.
Speaker 5: But I dunked out this corn, and so the first
Speaker 5: picture is these three animals on this corn. The next picture,
Speaker 5: all three animals are looking up and not just like
Speaker 5: looking up eye level, but they're looking up up towards
Speaker 5: the sky, and they're all looking the same direction. The
Speaker 5: next picture is a beam of light that's entering from
Speaker 5: I guess when you're looking at it from the top
Speaker 5: left of the frame coming down. The next picture, the
Speaker 5: animals are gone. I guess it's possible in.
Speaker 4: Ten or fifteen seconds for them to disappear.
Speaker 5: But then the next picture, that beam of light comes
Speaker 5: again from the right side of the frame. And it
Speaker 5: was strange because they were gone in between the light
Speaker 5: showing up the first time and the light showing up
Speaker 5: the second time. So the light showed up the second time.
Speaker 5: Whatever the timeframe is that it takes those pictures, let's
Speaker 5: just say that it's twenty seconds in between. There there's
Speaker 5: a frame where they're gone. Yeah, they probably just ran off.
Speaker 5: But where this property is and what surrounds this property.
Speaker 5: In all the years, probably twenty years that we've had
Speaker 5: this property, and all the years that I've been out there,
Speaker 5: and I've got a camper down there that I stay
Speaker 5: in some nights to hunt, I've never heard of hell helicopter.
Speaker 5: That was my first thought is maybe this is just
Speaker 5: a bee from a helicopter. I but it's like, why
Speaker 5: in the world would it be in the woods out here,
Speaker 5: in the middle of nowhere. The other strange thing about
Speaker 5: it is just that the rest of the time that
Speaker 5: corn pile was there, I'll swap out my sim cards
Speaker 5: or memory cards, so it wasn't without one.
Speaker 4: I just took that one out, put another one in.
Speaker 5: Nothing ever came back to that pile, just sat there
Speaker 5: until it went it started to ferment, it started to
Speaker 5: smell bad, so I just took a shovel and dug
Speaker 5: a hole and put it in the ground, because not
Speaker 5: even the hogs. Normally that smell, that ferment and sour
Speaker 5: smell will draw in the pig pigs never even came
Speaker 5: over there. We've taken a couple of pigs off the property.
Speaker 5: I know there's pigs there. Will even sometimes dump dog
Speaker 5: food into a shallow hole that maybe got some water
Speaker 5: in it so that it will sour start to ferment
Speaker 5: because the hogs don't care, they're going to eat it.
Speaker 5: But nothing ever came back to that corner pile after that,
Speaker 5: So that was really weird.
Speaker 4: Then.
Speaker 5: The only other real paranormal experience that I've got took
Speaker 5: place when I was I don't know, I guess I
Speaker 5: was fifteen years old, maybe fourteen. I had a friend
Speaker 5: of mine whose family had a home on Saint Simon's Island.
Speaker 5: And I don't know how familiar you are with the
Speaker 5: Georgia Islands, but beautiful place and a lot of history.
Speaker 5: And one of the places on Saint Simon's Island that's
Speaker 5: just got tons of history.
Speaker 4: It's a place called christ Church.
Speaker 5: That beautiful old church has spurned a couple of times
Speaker 5: and been rebuilt, but it's got this graveyard that surrounds
Speaker 5: the two sides and the back half of it, and
Speaker 5: old graves. There's graves that date back to seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 5: I'm sure there's probably some that are older than that,
Speaker 5: but there are stories of particular ghosts. So my buddy
Speaker 5: and I and his mom, we'd go and take the dogs.
Speaker 5: Dogs are supposed to be sensitive, and they were little
Speaker 5: yappy dogs, not Doberman's or anything.
Speaker 4: They were a little like hackapoos.
Speaker 5: Or something maybe, And we walked all over the graveyard
Speaker 5: on this particular night, we walked all over it, and
Speaker 5: the dogs it's like they were just out for a walk,
Speaker 5: no reaction to anything. We went to this one place
Speaker 5: where the story is that the girls whose grave it is,
Speaker 5: was still afraid of the dark when she got married,
Speaker 5: and she was still young. She was thirteen, which wasn't
Speaker 5: that unusual two hundred years ago, but she was still
Speaker 5: afraid of the dark. So the story goes that she
Speaker 5: got sick and died, and on her deathbed she asked
Speaker 5: her husband, please don't ever leave me in the dark,
Speaker 5: and so every night he would go to her headstone
Speaker 5: and leave a candle on her headstone every night until
Speaker 5: he died. So the story is supposedly, you can go
Speaker 5: out there and see this light floating above headstone.
Speaker 4: So we walked all over it.
Speaker 5: Dogs didn't react to anything, and we go back and
Speaker 5: get in the car.
Speaker 4: And there's been the history of christ Church.
Speaker 5: Satanic groups used to go out there have their little rituals.
Speaker 5: There's one grave that's an unusual grave because the headstone
Speaker 5: is like a table. Supposedly there was sacrifices and all
Speaker 5: this stuff, and probably to some extent there probably was,
Speaker 5: but it probably was just a small group of misunderstood
Speaker 5: goth youth. But a lot of these stories persist and
Speaker 5: they're continued on because there's people that go out there
Speaker 5: looking for this stuff. My personal belief, because I believe
Speaker 5: in Christ, is that any spirit that's here on earth
Speaker 5: that's not alive is demonic.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: I don't believe that Christ leaves any of his chill
Speaker 5: here on earth after they died, So whatever it is
Speaker 5: has to be demonic. That's my belief now Now, at
Speaker 5: the time, it was just a ghost.
Speaker 4: Anyway, we give up. We're going back to the car.
Speaker 5: We didn't see anything, The dogs didn't get all freaked out.
Speaker 5: We get in the car and the parking lot's really
Speaker 5: just a dirt pull off across the street from the church,
Speaker 5: and it's probably, I don't know, twenty five or thirty
Speaker 5: yards deep, so you could get a couple of rows
Speaker 5: of cars in there if you want to, but we
Speaker 5: were the only ones out there on this particular night.
Speaker 5: We get in the car and the way she's parked,
Speaker 5: she does circle back around, like the back end of
Speaker 5: the car is facing the church right, so shee pulls
Speaker 5: around so that she's nosed into the road facing the
Speaker 5: church at an angle.
Speaker 4: There's no traffic. She was moving at a speed that.
Speaker 5: Indicated to me she wasn't planning on stopping or yielding.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: This is probably three o'clock in the morning at this point,
Speaker 5: and there's nobody out on that side of the island
Speaker 5: at three o'clock in the morning. So the speed she
Speaker 5: was at, my guest, was she was not going to yield.
Speaker 4: She was just going to keep rolling onto the blacktop
Speaker 4: and head on back to the house.
Speaker 5: At the same time that I started to say the
Speaker 5: word stop, she was already on the brakes and the
Speaker 5: car was already skiddy, and she looked back at me
Speaker 5: and she said, did you see that?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I did see that. And my buddy,
Speaker 4: he goes, whatd y'all see? He wasn't paying attention. What'd
Speaker 4: y'all see? And I said, yeah, Judy, what did you see?
Speaker 5: She said, I saw a light over there on the
Speaker 5: right side of the church and those trees.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, yep, let's go home. She saw what
Speaker 4: I saw. That's all I needed to know. Let's get
Speaker 4: out of here. That was creepy. And there's a lot
Speaker 4: of ghost stories about places like that.
Speaker 5: Like Savannah and Saint Simon's Island, Jackal Island, that whole
Speaker 5: area in Charles, South Carolina, but those are the only
Speaker 5: real what I feel like, are real experiences that I've had,
Speaker 5: and now what that was on the trail camera, I
Speaker 5: don't know, but I don't think that animals would run
Speaker 5: off from a helicopter passing over. I mean, maybe they would,
Speaker 5: I don't know. It was just really weird how.
Speaker 4: That demon light showed up. Creepy.
Speaker 3: It definitely sounds creepy. I want to go back to
Speaker 3: the bigfoot stuff for a second and ask you a
Speaker 3: couple of questions here. Obviously you didn't get to see it. It
Speaker 3: sounds very much like my experience when I was a
Speaker 3: boy in the North Georgia Mountains, hearing something that you
Speaker 3: can't explain, knowing that something's off. It's not a bear,
Speaker 3: it's not a coyote, it's not a deer, it's not
Speaker 3: any of these things, and process of elimination leaves you
Speaker 3: with this one thing and having that visual experience. That's
Speaker 3: certainly not the only visual that I've documented in and
Speaker 3: around the Blairsville area. There's other reports on other databases
Speaker 3: that people have shared over the years. Having had that
Speaker 3: experience and then getting into the subject, obviously it didn't
Speaker 3: push you away from it. You started watching some shows
Speaker 3: and getting into the subjects a little deeper. I know,
Speaker 3: it's a subjective thing. But getting into this subject and
Speaker 3: looking into these creatures, have you given any thought to
Speaker 3: some of the supernatural or the paranormal aspects of these
Speaker 3: creatures that people describe. I know you listen to other
Speaker 3: people tell their stories over the years. I used to
Speaker 3: separate the things like the weird lights that you experience
Speaker 3: on the trail cam and big fun activity. I used
Speaker 3: to say, those are completely separate, they have nothing to
Speaker 3: do with each other. But the deeper I've gotten into
Speaker 3: this and my own experience is just as recently as
Speaker 3: this past year. This past summer changed my thought process
Speaker 3: a little bit on what these creatures may be at
Speaker 3: least capable of. I still think they're a flesh and
Speaker 3: blood creature. I think there's some sort of possible realic tomanoid,
Speaker 3: something along the lines very close to us.
Speaker 4: Right could be.
Speaker 3: Wrong, that could be aliens, that could be interdimensional.
Speaker 4: I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I don't think they are. But some of the things
Speaker 3: that I saw self illuminating eyes last year, and I'd
Speaker 3: heard so many people tell those stories on the podcast,
Speaker 3: and I used to roll my eyes all the time,
Speaker 3: thinking there's no way that these things have self illuminating
Speaker 3: eyes that would, in my opinion at least back then,
Speaker 3: would give them some sort of ability that I can't
Speaker 3: put into a box or understand. So I just didn't
Speaker 3: want to deal with it. But then I saw it myself,
Speaker 3: and now I can't explain it. So, given what you've
Speaker 3: learned about these things and looked into where are you
Speaker 3: on the spectrum between? Completely?
Speaker 4: In one camp?
Speaker 3: You're the apor, You're the flesh and blood guy. These
Speaker 3: are just big apes in the woods two. Can there
Speaker 3: be or possibly be some sort of maybe not even
Speaker 3: a paranormal connection, but at least some sort of abilities
Speaker 3: that these things have that maybe we don't understand. Where
Speaker 3: are you on the whole spectrum between the two?
Speaker 4: And stay tuned for.
Speaker 3: More Sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 5: So I think that I'm going to be somewhere in
Speaker 5: the middle. We're specifically talking about Bigfoot. I think I'll
Speaker 5: probably be somewhere in the middle there. Now, there's a
Speaker 5: scene from the Expedition Bigfoot, that show that's on TV.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: A lot of that stuff is really cool. I like
Speaker 5: to believe that some of that stuff is real. I
Speaker 5: know that Obviously TV sells right drama cells, so I
Speaker 5: know that there's got to be some level of drama
Speaker 5: added into these shows. But there's this one scene where
Speaker 5: two of the individuals from the show are on the
Speaker 5: bank of a river and on the other side of
Speaker 5: the river it's a cliff. It's not super high, but
Speaker 5: there's a flat wall on the other side, kind of
Speaker 5: something that maybe you'd see like in the Grand Canyon
Speaker 5: or something.
Speaker 4: Right where the river flows real close to there's.
Speaker 5: This rock face and if there's nothing between them and
Speaker 5: the rock except for the river, right, there's no trees,
Speaker 5: there's nothing like that. And in this scene, before they
Speaker 5: even said, oh did you see that and run it back,
Speaker 5: you can see.
Speaker 4: What looks like a cloaked figure, the shadow.
Speaker 5: First there is the shadow figure running from right to
Speaker 5: left across the scene.
Speaker 4: On the other side of the river, there's shadows on
Speaker 4: the face of the wall.
Speaker 5: So first you see the shadow, but then when they
Speaker 5: go back and they play it multiple times, it almost
Speaker 5: looks like you can see a cloak. I don't know
Speaker 5: how to describe a predator the movie Predator, know how
Speaker 5: you could see through him, but you could still see.
Speaker 4: Him like it was liquid or something. That's what this
Speaker 4: looked like. So when I see that, and then you
Speaker 4: hear these other stories, you've got to think, okay.
Speaker 5: And then he just vanished. It didn't continue any further.
Speaker 5: He vanished almost like a door open and he walked
Speaker 5: through it. So you got to wonder, are they interdimensional?
Speaker 5: Are they enter time? Are they from another time? And
Speaker 5: if it is another time, is it from the future
Speaker 5: or is it from the past. Then there's these other
Speaker 5: discoveries and I listened to I try to educate myself.
Speaker 5: I don't want to discount what anybody has to say.
Speaker 5: Just at the face of it, I have some issues
Speaker 5: with some of it. I find it hard to believe
Speaker 5: respect or no respect that if you live someplace and
Speaker 5: you believe that there are thirty families a bigfoot living
Speaker 5: on your property and you don't have a single picture,
Speaker 5: that bothers me, right, I have a hard time reconciling
Speaker 5: that in my brain. The other side of it, too,
Speaker 5: is I listened to a lot of different podcasts, but
Speaker 5: I was listening to one that I listen to every day.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I could mention these other shows
Speaker 5: or not by name, and he might not appreciate it.
Speaker 5: But the Joe Rogan experience, I don't know if you
Speaker 5: listen to that at all. But he has people from
Speaker 5: all over the spectrum of entertainment and science and different
Speaker 5: people like that. And on the show that I was
Speaker 5: listening to yesterday, it was an older show, not too old,
Speaker 5: but he.
Speaker 4: Had Mike Waddell, who's a famous hunter.
Speaker 5: He's from Georgia, the Bone Collectors, and they were talking
Speaker 5: about it, and one of the issues that they had
Speaker 5: drawn on was that the number of people that hunt,
Speaker 5: especially in the South, the Carolinas, Georgia, Tennessee.
Speaker 4: We're good old boys. We like to be in the woods.
Speaker 5: We loved the taste of good meat, right, that's not
Speaker 5: taining it. So we're in the woods and part of
Speaker 5: our plan is to find those the best place we
Speaker 5: can go. So we've got trail cameras, right, So there's
Speaker 5: trail cameras everywhere. Find it hard to believe that not
Speaker 5: a single trip camera has ever picked up photograph. Now
Speaker 5: that could lend to being educated. I know one thing
Speaker 5: that I have been told and have experienced before, is
Speaker 5: that alkaline batteries bear it smell it. I don't know
Speaker 5: if it's because it's that sweet smell in the alkaline
Speaker 5: battery or whatever. But they can smell it. And I've
Speaker 5: seen bear walk up to a trail camera and literally
Speaker 5: pull it off the tree and it's been torn When
Speaker 5: we've got to it, it's been torn open where they're
Speaker 5: trying to go after the batteries.
Speaker 4: So I've heard that so can sasquatch smell alkaline batteries?
Speaker 4: Is that how he's able to avoid it?
Speaker 5: Because first he can smell it, and then he's smart
Speaker 5: enough to look around to spot it and then avoid it.
Speaker 4: The other thing too, I was listening. I don't know if.
Speaker 5: You're aware of these structures that they have found underneath
Speaker 5: the pyramids in Egypt.
Speaker 4: That's something new. I don't know if you've heard that
Speaker 4: or not. But they found these.
Speaker 5: Structures that shouldn't be there, that run very deep beneath
Speaker 5: the Great Pyramids and Giza. So to me, that says
Speaker 5: that we don't know squat about squat. Right, We've been
Speaker 5: researching these pyramids, they've been there for five thousand years,
Speaker 5: we've been researching them, and we're just now finding out
Speaker 5: there's these structures under them, and maybe we really are
Speaker 5: just this tiny, little speck, when this giant universe, galaxy,
Speaker 5: whatever you want. When you hear about stuff like that,
Speaker 5: and then the theory is about the evolution, which I
Speaker 5: don't buy into it all because I believe in God.
Speaker 5: I believe in God, but I believe in the Big
Speaker 5: Bang because I believe that God could have very easily
Speaker 5: spoken that into an existence. He could have easily said, Okay,
Speaker 5: this is how we're going to do it. And I
Speaker 5: believe the reason why I believe that is because they
Speaker 5: can plot these locations in space and then run it
Speaker 5: backwards in a computer and.
Speaker 4: See where they are.
Speaker 5: These theories about the Moon being hollow and it's an
Speaker 5: alien base, no, because you can literally run it backwards
Speaker 5: in the computer simulation and see that it was another
Speaker 5: earthly body that hit the Earth and then broke off
Speaker 5: and ended up dying and being or moon. Science and
Speaker 5: religion can go side by side. I do one hundred
Speaker 5: percent believe that they can go side by side.
Speaker 4: But when you hear about.
Speaker 5: These structures under the pyramids and then the temple or
Speaker 5: what they believe may be a temple that's thirteen thousand
Speaker 5: years old, potentially, that kind of kills the whole idea
Speaker 5: that societies or civilizations didn't happen until eight thousand years
Speaker 5: ago or six thousand years ago or whatever it was
Speaker 5: with the Samerians or what have you.
Speaker 4: It's like it happened a lot sooner than that. And
Speaker 4: then when you.
Speaker 5: Start getting into DNA research and they can research and
Speaker 5: find out that my DNA can be traced to a
Speaker 5: single individual out of Africa two hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 5: years ago. Okay, So now you're really stepping outside the
Speaker 5: realm of what's possible when you look at things like that.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I think that we really don't know
Speaker 4: squat about squad.
Speaker 5: And of course there's also my belief and because my
Speaker 5: belief in Christ is that I believe that part of
Speaker 5: our journey, it says in the Bible that we're supposed
Speaker 5: to strive to be christ Like, right to ever transform
Speaker 5: ourselves into the image of Christ.
Speaker 4: So we're supposed to always be striving to fit into
Speaker 4: that image.
Speaker 5: And then in someplace else it tells us that when
Speaker 5: we get there, we'll be given all the knowledge of
Speaker 5: the heavens. And what I believe is that we were
Speaker 5: with God, we were sent here, and we'll go back
Speaker 5: to be with God, and when we do, that's when
Speaker 5: we'll be enlightened. Right when we finally go back, and
Speaker 5: I think that's when we'll find out if Bigfoot is
Speaker 5: real or not, or what Bigfoot is, the whole idea
Speaker 5: something is alive, or if it's just spiritual, or if
Speaker 5: it's interdimensional. Maybe it's not really the question we need
Speaker 5: to be asking. Maybe the question is it our business?
Speaker 5: How would you feel if somebody started tracking around in
Speaker 5: your backyard setting up all kinds of equipment going.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Brian's real.
Speaker 5: Let me see, let me send it this equipment and
Speaker 5: see if Brian's real. I think they we'll find out
Speaker 5: the answers when it's time. I don't think that there's
Speaker 5: anything that we're going to be enlightened to before then.
Speaker 3: I can't disagree with that, Chris. I've had a blast
Speaker 3: talking to you. Thanks so much for coming on and
Speaker 3: sharing your experiences and having the conversation.
Speaker 4: Absolutely I enjoyed it.
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