1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Do you remember the golden days of summer when we 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,599 thought the days would never end, when we would play 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:11,400 scratch baseball with our friends in the park until the 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,320 street lights came on and it was time to go 5 00:00:13,359 --> 00:00:19,280 home for dinner. Well, Jason inde do this week on 6 00:00:19,399 --> 00:00:22,079 the Surely surely, surely you can't. 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 2: Be serious podcast? 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: It is the Standbot versus stand by Me in competition. 9 00:00:32,359 --> 00:00:33,079 Here we go. 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,719 Speaker 3: All right, I've got a question for you. Yeah, when 11 00:00:36,719 --> 00:00:41,799 we're talking Stephen King adaptations? Yes, what is your favorite 12 00:00:42,039 --> 00:00:45,280 movie that was a Stephen King book or novella? 13 00:00:45,439 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 2: One of my favorite movie of all time. It's Shoshank Redemption. 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: Shoshank Redemption. Yes, okay, And where does stand by Me 15 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:52,920 fit on this list? 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,159 Speaker 2: It? It probably is number two, number two. It's probably 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:57,640 number two. 18 00:00:57,719 --> 00:01:01,079 Speaker 3: I think we're in the ballpark with you know, most people. Yeah, 19 00:01:01,159 --> 00:01:05,799 both of those came from the same book, correct different seasons. 20 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:06,599 You ever read that book? 21 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:07,439 Speaker 2: I have? Yes? 22 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:08,359 Speaker 3: Have you read? 23 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: So? 24 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,359 Speaker 3: You've read The Body and Shashcredyption. 25 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: And The Whistle Method and apt pupil. 26 00:01:14,719 --> 00:01:17,879 Speaker 3: At pupil At Pupil scared the crap out of me 27 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:18,560 when I saw that. 28 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:21,519 Speaker 2: When I read that, I haven't actually seen that movie. 29 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,079 It's pretty good, okay. 30 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: But the book, man, I was haunted by that one. 31 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,239 Speaker 2: All right, is this our introduction? I just are we 32 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,400 coming out with a bang here? 33 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 3: We are talking about one of the greatest Stephen King 34 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:37,280 adaptations of all time. 35 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: Okay, So that's one of the things that we're talking about. 36 00:01:39,879 --> 00:01:43,319 And I would also like to say a happy anniversary 37 00:01:43,359 --> 00:01:46,879 to the country of the United States. And what do 38 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:52,840 we say? We're as American as apple Pie and Chevrolet Baseball. 39 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:59,599 Come on, Chevrolet, you know we we just ended the 40 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:04,719 National Championship for baseball and our team who I mean. 41 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,719 I gotta say, in many years of being a Norman, 42 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,080 Oklahoma resident, Oklahoma baseball has not been a thing. Oklahoma 43 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:15,319 softball has been a great, big deal. And I'm not 44 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:17,199 saying not a thing, but they just haven't been the 45 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:21,360 big contenders. And by golly, won the national championship this year. 46 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,919 Way to go, Norman, Sooner Smith. 47 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,479 Speaker 3: That's right, man, we were living and breathing baseball unlike 48 00:02:26,599 --> 00:02:28,199 any summer for me in a long time. 49 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: So then the next question is did you play pick 50 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:33,879 up baseball with your friends? 51 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,319 Speaker 3: I did play baseball. I play baseball and so we 52 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:37,919 still do that. 53 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,039 Speaker 2: We've gone out of together. Yeah, and I think it's 54 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,680 probably my favorite kind of baseball to play when you're all, 55 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:46,319 you know, that's it's kind of beer League, but it's 56 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,599 just that fun, little asolute. Let's just go have a game. Yeah. 57 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 3: I call people, I say, you want to go hit? 58 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: Right? Go ahead? Go ahead. If you didn't read the 59 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,759 title whenever you clicked on this link, we are talking 60 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,680 about two coming of age movies from our childhood. We 61 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,439 have stand By Me, which was released in nineteen eighty six, 62 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,439 and we have The sand Lot, which was released in 63 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,840 ninety three. Ninety three, that's right, okay, So fortieth anniversary 64 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,800 for stand by Me. I gotta say, I feel like 65 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,199 the Sandlot is kind of an underdog going into this competition. Okay, 66 00:03:21,439 --> 00:03:24,120 but it's an iconic movie. We don't have a We 67 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,479 don't have the lopsided Groundhog Day versus Multiplicity. We don't 68 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,719 have the kind of lopsided the lopsided Adventures in Babysitting 69 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,840 versus Ferrispuler's Day Off. I think that Sandlot is just 70 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:39,120 a semi underdog in this one. But I think it's 71 00:03:39,159 --> 00:03:41,800 an unappreciated gem. I know, that a lot of people 72 00:03:41,919 --> 00:03:44,400 really love the movie. I love it. I'm excited to 73 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:45,000 talk about it. 74 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: I will say this, I kind of agree with you, 75 00:03:47,479 --> 00:03:50,599 although I was thinking to myself today, Yeah, the Sandlot 76 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:55,719 has an unquestioned impact on our culture. Like today, you said, hey, 77 00:03:55,759 --> 00:03:57,319 I need to move the recording time. 78 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: I was like, you're killing you kill Yes, I didn't 79 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,400 say that, I just said, hey, what are you doing tonight? 80 00:04:03,759 --> 00:04:05,319 Like you're killing me? Could you do what was coming? 81 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: That's right, that's it. 82 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: I mean I ran all the way over here, I 83 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:14,520 ran all the way home. So which of these movies 84 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,279 is more quotable? That'll be a question we've got to 85 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,160 figure out. You know, there's there is a There are 86 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:21,279 a ton of great lines in both of these movies, 87 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,199 both absolutely iconic and listener or YouTube watcher, if this 88 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,519 is your first time, what we do is we compare 89 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,920 a couple of greats and decide at the end which 90 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,439 one we think is the best. And if you are 91 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,399 listening or watching for the first time, hit that subscribe 92 00:04:36,439 --> 00:04:38,560 button or that follow button on whatever it is that 93 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:42,040 you're using to hear our voices and potentially see our faces. 94 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,240 And if you want to be an executive producer for 95 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:47,480 one of these things. 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You've 107 00:05:19,959 --> 00:05:21,959 got it. Now I'm going to leave you alone. Don't 108 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:24,879 hit the subscribe button, all right now, that's the last one, 109 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,160 I promise. That's right. That's right. 110 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 3: You know I can already hear Jeff Johnson saying, why 111 00:05:29,319 --> 00:05:30,639 are we comparing these two movies? 112 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:30,879 Speaker 2: Right? 113 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:34,399 Speaker 3: Because one is about baseball and one is absolutely not 114 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:35,199 about baseball. 115 00:05:35,319 --> 00:05:38,639 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, here's the thing. They are both. They 116 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:41,680 are both told from the perspective of someone in the 117 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,079 present about a time in the past. They are both. 118 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,040 I mean, we're talking about nineteen fifty nine is whenever 119 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,800 stand By Me is supposed to have happened, and nineteen 120 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,600 sixty two is whenever Sandlot is supposed to have happened. 121 00:05:56,639 --> 00:05:58,759 And I think in the book it's even nineteen sixty 122 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,439 So we're talking about like a two year part summer 123 00:06:01,959 --> 00:06:06,639 experience of kids growing up, like, you know, thirteen fourteen 124 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,199 year old kids growing up. 125 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:10,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that's really easy to see. Also, 126 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,519 just off the cuff, both of these movies have a 127 00:06:13,519 --> 00:06:16,079 scene with kind of a crazy dog. 128 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:17,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 129 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 3: Both of these movies have a vomit scene. 130 00:06:20,439 --> 00:06:23,879 Speaker 2: I mean a junkyard dog, like to be specific a 131 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,480 junkyard dog. Yeah. Yeah, you get the vomit scenes. Yeah yeah. 132 00:06:28,519 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: And then the time period kind of matches up between 133 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:31,560 these two as well. 134 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. 135 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: When you came over to my house yesterday, yeah, my 136 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:39,040 dog greeted you at the door, and I said, choppersick balls. 137 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: Another great quotable line. 138 00:06:42,879 --> 00:06:44,759 Speaker 3: That's it, all right, So let's dive into it. What 139 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:45,879 do you want to start? You want to start with 140 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:46,639 stand by Me? 141 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: Sure, Mickey's mouse Donald to Duck Pluto is a dog 142 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,199 what's Goofy? 143 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:53,879 Speaker 3: He's a dog. 144 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: He's definitely a dog. Can't be a dog? 145 00:06:57,519 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: Wears the hat and drives a car. 146 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 2: That's weird. What the hell is Goofy? Yeah, it's the 147 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,040 first one to come out. Came out in nineteen eighty six, 148 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,120 so this is interesting. The book came out in nineteen 149 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:11,959 eighty two. It was a novella and the title of 150 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,319 the story and the novella was The Body, which was 151 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,079 the original title of the movie. Now, if you've read 152 00:07:18,199 --> 00:07:21,399 The Body, you know that there are not just one, 153 00:07:21,519 --> 00:07:25,279 but two other stories within a story in that novella. Right, 154 00:07:25,639 --> 00:07:28,240 You've got the one that we get the largest story. 155 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,800 I believe it was called The Revenge of Largest Hogan. Okay, 156 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,279 you know, like Mike Hogan's brother if you had one, right, 157 00:07:36,879 --> 00:07:39,120 And then the other one is stud City. Now stud 158 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:42,279 City didn't make it into the movie. It's another story 159 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:45,480 by Stephen King. But those stories both came out much earlier. 160 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,000 It came out stud City came out in sixty nine, 161 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,360 and The Revenge of lard Ass Hogan. Don't forget to 162 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,120 bleep me, by the way, since I'm somehow we're explicit 163 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,399 with stuff they say on TV anyway, it came out 164 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:03,000 in nineteen I six. It came out in nineteen seventy five. 165 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,600 So in the book, Stephen King puts a couple of 166 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,079 his old stories in to kind of show the progress 167 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,199 of Gordy as a writer, you know. And so the 168 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,000 book The Body comes out, the novella comes out, and 169 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:19,000 a guy named Bruce Evans, who is a screenwriter, sends 170 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,800 a gift to his writing partner's wife, Karen Evans for 171 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,680 her birthday, this novella, and quickly they all fall in 172 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,160 love with it. But they think, I mean it's Stephen King. 173 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,000 I'm sure somebody else has already got the option on this, right, 174 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,480 And so they're like, man, let's just let's see who's 175 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,519 got it. So they call up Stephen King's agent and 176 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:41,320 he's like, nope, nobody's got an option because Stephen King 177 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,039 doesn't do options. They're like, okay, is somebody talking to 178 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,879 him about the movie. He goes, listen, it's gonna be 179 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:49,039 one hundred thousand dollars for him plus ten percent of 180 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,679 the ten percent of the take, yeah, ten percent of 181 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,559 the gross. And they're like that's a lot. He's like, well, 182 00:08:56,759 --> 00:08:59,399 he's Stephen King, so do your best bud. 183 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,639 Speaker 3: Remember when we talked about the Monster Squad Stephen. 184 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: King Rules, So, as just a little bit of a backstory, 185 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,399 Evans and Gideon had been writing partners for a while. 186 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,559 Evans first credit is for Starman, which I think is 187 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,919 another movie we should cover. That's I think one that 188 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,799 people don't talk about enough and I think would be 189 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:21,720 a great Hey. 190 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 3: Our buddy Robert Hayes was starting the TV spin off. 191 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: Of that exactly right, exactly yes, So he does that 192 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,360 and then he but the first thing he works on 193 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:34,559 his writing partners is Raynold Gideon. The first thing he 194 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:38,200 works on with him is nineteen seventy nine's A Man, 195 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:44,600 a Woman and a Bank, which stars Donald Sutherland. Really yes, 196 00:09:44,919 --> 00:09:48,240 and so then yes and so then of course, ironically 197 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:51,000 this movie that he's working on is ultimately going to 198 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,600 have Keefer in it. Now they realize, okay, listen, we 199 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,039 might be able to get this thing done, but this 200 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,759 is going to be some thing where we have a 201 00:10:00,799 --> 00:10:04,320 bunch of no name actors. So we have to have 202 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:07,759 a director that people know in order to get a 203 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:10,759 studio to greenlight this project. Right, So do you know 204 00:10:10,799 --> 00:10:11,120 who they. 205 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: Get, well, Adrian Lyne or Lynn. I don't really know 206 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,320 how to pronounce his last. 207 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:20,639 Speaker 2: Name, right, it's Liner Lynn. Yes, who directed what Flash Dance? 208 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:21,519 Flash Dance? 209 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:22,799 Speaker 3: Hey, that's something. 210 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: It's something. It's not bad. But like the rest of 211 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,480 his stuff is nine and a half weeks fale Attraction, 212 00:10:28,799 --> 00:10:33,600 indecent proposal, Lolita, unfaithful. You see a pattern here? Boobs, 213 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,720 lots of boos, lots of sexy. Yes, I mean it's 214 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:40,759 not really goes screaming coming of age boys movie. 215 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 3: Even Flash Dance, I would say, is a yeah for sure. 216 00:10:43,919 --> 00:10:46,799 Speaker 2: It's just I mean she's working in a semi club. Yeah, yeah, 217 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,720 so an odd choice. But yes, he was a director, 218 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,080 and they didn't want to pay him. He was enough 219 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:54,600 of a guy they didn't want to pay him what 220 00:10:54,639 --> 00:10:57,720 he was asking, and so Evans and Gideon both said, hey, 221 00:10:57,759 --> 00:10:59,799 we'll give a half of what we're given to get him, 222 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,519 to get him on board. So it's really important. So 223 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,399 all of the studios that they approach turn them down, 224 00:11:05,759 --> 00:11:09,759 except for Embassy Pictures Martin Schaeffer. Embassy Pictures is like, 225 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:12,120 you know what, I like this. He gets on the phone, 226 00:11:12,159 --> 00:11:15,080 he negotiates and gets it down to fifty thousand dollars 227 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,759 for Stephen King and a smaller share of the profits. 228 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,240 And they spend eight weeks writing the script together and 229 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,559 then they're like, okay, we are ready to start filming 230 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:27,759 and we want to produce. And they're like, you guys 231 00:11:27,799 --> 00:11:30,759 have no idea how to produce, your screenwriters, I'll tell 232 00:11:30,759 --> 00:11:32,759 you what. We will let you produce, but we're going 233 00:11:32,799 --> 00:11:36,159 to bring in a guy named Andrew Shyman because he's 234 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,279 done so, he's produced some movies and he's going to 235 00:11:38,279 --> 00:11:40,720 help you with this process. Okay, And so they get 236 00:11:40,799 --> 00:11:44,200 Lynn's salary under control, They've got Shyman helping them produce, 237 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,360 and then Lynn is like, okay, guys, I will be 238 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,440 ready to shoot right after my vacation and they're like 239 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,720 wait what He's like, yeah, I promised myself a six 240 00:11:53,759 --> 00:11:56,960 month vacation after I finished filming this movie, so we 241 00:11:57,039 --> 00:12:00,399 can we can start filming in eighty six, and they 242 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,799 and this is what's interesting. They go, listen, we don't 243 00:12:02,799 --> 00:12:05,519 even know if this one studio who said yes is 244 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:10,320 gonna still exist in nineteen eighty six. Prophetic it is prophetic. Yeah, 245 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:13,240 So Lenn is out, but Shyman, the guy who came 246 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:16,240 on to produce, is Buddies with a young and upcoming 247 00:12:16,279 --> 00:12:18,799 director named Rob Reiner. 248 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,879 Speaker 3: So this is where it gets interesting. Embassy is bought 249 00:12:21,879 --> 00:12:24,039 out by Columbia Pictures. 250 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: Yes. 251 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:26,879 Speaker 3: Do you know who the parent company of Columbia Pictures is? 252 00:12:27,039 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 2: Coca Cola? 253 00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 3: It's Coca Cola. Yes, And I told you Coca Cola 254 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,159 almost cost us the movie stand by Me. Yeah, because 255 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,960 they came in and said, eh, we're cutting this, we 256 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,799 don't want to do this, we're cutting production on this. 257 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 258 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: So do you know who stepped in as a friend 259 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:43,360 of Rob Ryaner? 260 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: I do, But why don't you go ahead and tell me? 261 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,879 Speaker 3: It's Norman Lear. Yeah, the world renowned producer of all 262 00:12:48,919 --> 00:12:49,480 in the family. 263 00:12:49,639 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy who yees. So Rob Reiner had been 264 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:56,440 meathead yet for people my age you probably might have 265 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,759 grown up seeing. But he was iconic director. I mean 266 00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:04,480 because after stand by Me, you get when Harry met Sally, 267 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:08,360 you get Princess Bride, you get Misery, another great Stephen 268 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:11,120 King out of Pictures. Now, spinal Tap had come first, 269 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,840 but that was it's a mockumentary, low budget thing. He 270 00:13:14,879 --> 00:13:17,720 had done spinal Tap, done this is spinal tap, and 271 00:13:17,759 --> 00:13:19,360 he had done the sure thing. 272 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 3: Sure thing which starred John Cusack. 273 00:13:21,279 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: John Cusack, Yes, so, yes, he's making his way, but 274 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:25,440 this is a bigger deal. 275 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 3: This is a step up in the real deal. 276 00:13:27,399 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And so he comes to those, he comes 277 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,600 to the writers and he's like, listen, I can't really 278 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,720 get the feel on this. Let me look at it again. 279 00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:38,080 And he's like, I feel like the story needs to 280 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,080 be Gordy's story because Gordy is the writer. Gordy is 281 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,799 the kid who I believe is going to grow up 282 00:13:44,799 --> 00:13:47,320 and become Stephen King, and I think it needs to 283 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,399 be his story. They rewrite the script with that in mind, 284 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,159 and he's like, yes, this is something I can work with. 285 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,960 But then once they've got it, they've got all the 286 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,919 money to make it. Then they find out that Coca 287 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,039 Cola is like, well, yeah, but we're not going to 288 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,080 distribute it. Embassies out and so do you know what happens? 289 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:07,639 Do you know how it get finds a distributor? No? Okay, 290 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,559 So Columbia Pictures pulls the plug normally or steps in, 291 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:14,320 fills out the budget so that it gets financed. They 292 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,559 finish it, but they've got no distributor, and so Michael Ovitz, 293 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:21,159 who is the head of the creative artist agency says, 294 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:22,799 I think this is a good picture. I want to 295 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:28,080 help you guys, and so he sends it out to Paramount, no, Universal, no, 296 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,039 Warner Brothers, no, Columbia. Oh you already said no, And 297 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:36,240 so he sends it. He sends it to a guy 298 00:14:36,559 --> 00:14:41,919 who is at Columbia and his name is Guy mcelwaine. Yes, 299 00:14:42,159 --> 00:14:45,919 and he's sick. Yeah, he's sick. And he's like, geez, 300 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:48,519 I gotta watch this. You know, if Michael, if the 301 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,039 head of creative artist agency wants you to do something, 302 00:14:51,039 --> 00:14:53,600 you're going to do it right and so sick or not, right, 303 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:55,360 sick or not. And he's like, Okay, I'll just go 304 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,080 I'll watch it at my house. Well, when he watches 305 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,399 it as his house, his little girl with him, and 306 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,799 they love it. Yea, And they say and he says, 307 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,720 you know what, if my kids love it, other kids 308 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,559 are going to love it. Let's do this thing. 309 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 3: And he's dead on right. 310 00:15:10,279 --> 00:15:10,519 Speaker 2: Yep. 311 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:12,519 Speaker 3: I have yet to meet a person who watched this 312 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:15,039 movie and said I don't like it. 313 00:15:15,159 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I totally one agree. 314 00:15:17,519 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: Yes, And I would say the same thing about the Sandlot. 315 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. So that's how we got to that's how 316 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,519 we get to stand by me, let's talk about how 317 00:15:25,559 --> 00:15:28,600 we get to the sandlot sometime, Dame, my clause are 318 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:33,360 going out of style here, you are, please shut up? Okay, Okay, 319 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,200 who's our writer director on this thing? 320 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 3: So the writer director is His name is David Mickey Evans. 321 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: Okay. Had you heard of him before this? No, me either, 322 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:45,279 But he actually had done a decent amount of script 323 00:15:45,279 --> 00:15:47,840 writing before this. It had kind of made him his 324 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,080 name as a spec screenwriter and something that a guy 325 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,480 that people could go to for screenwriting help. And he 326 00:15:56,519 --> 00:15:59,480 wants to direct, right, and so he writes this script 327 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:01,639 that you might I've heard of called The Radio Flyer. 328 00:16:01,799 --> 00:16:04,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was talking about this before we started recording. Yeah, 329 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:05,600 I've never seen that movie. 330 00:16:05,799 --> 00:16:08,039 Speaker 2: I haven't seen. I think Tom Hanks is the narrator 331 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:08,279 in it. 332 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 3: Tom Hanks is the uncredited narrator as older Mike in 333 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:12,919 that movie. 334 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,919 Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, and Mike was Elijah Wood's character in that thing. Yes, okay. 335 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,279 So it's this wonderful moment for him because he sells 336 00:16:20,279 --> 00:16:24,080 that script for a million dollars and they allow him 337 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:30,440 to direct. Good for him for eight days? Oh no? Yeah? 338 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:35,440 So he's there, he's directing an eight days into the picture, 339 00:16:36,159 --> 00:16:39,720 they fire him. They bring in Richard Donner to finish 340 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,600 the film because Richard's an experienced director and he wasn't. 341 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:47,559 And so he's like, of course. Crestfallen goes back to 342 00:16:47,639 --> 00:16:52,879 his house and he's just thinking about like these apples, 343 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:59,519 these bullies, and it reminds him of his experience from 344 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:02,320 child hood when he and his brother, who helped him 345 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,480 with this movie, by the way, they moved to la 346 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,759 and they played sandlot ball and the kids, you know, 347 00:17:09,799 --> 00:17:12,599 they're they're the new kids in town, and the other 348 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:18,039 kids were just all tolls to them, fully dumb. They 349 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:21,319 did their best to fit in, you know. And so 350 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:27,640 he sits down and he writes exterior the Sandlot. Those 351 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:28,799 are the first words that he writes. 352 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 3: That's beautiful. 353 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 2: I love it. And so what results a few months 354 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,960 later is the script for the Sandlot, which he again 355 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,079 sells for a million dollars, and this time he gets 356 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:40,640 to direct. 357 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,039 Speaker 4: Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people 358 00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:47,920 never take the chance, either because they're too scared or 359 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,039 they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes. 360 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,039 This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it 361 00:17:54,079 --> 00:17:54,519 go buy. 362 00:17:54,519 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 3: I'm going to stand up for the studio here just 363 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,359 for a second. I hate to be the corporate guy. 364 00:17:59,519 --> 00:18:02,960 But when Richard Donner wants to direct a movie and 365 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:06,319 you have a first timer, you go in and you say, sorry, kid, 366 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:09,839 bringing in the left hander Richard Donner to take over. 367 00:18:09,839 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: Eight days in eight days? 368 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 3: Well, Richard Donner off of leath a Weapon? 369 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,839 Speaker 2: Okay, I understand, But like, you make that decision before 370 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,160 you sign the guy, right, that's true? Yeah, I mean 371 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,039 they signed a contract with him, they did. Yeah, yeah, 372 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:25,519 it's yeah. 373 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,039 Speaker 3: It's a crappy thing to do, and it squashed his dreams. 374 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: I'm sure. 375 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: So. 376 00:18:29,599 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 2: And if I may, you ask somebody on the street, 377 00:18:32,039 --> 00:18:34,960 have you seen the Sandlot? Oh? Yeah, heck y? Have 378 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:39,759 you seen Radio Flyer? Uh? Is Frodo in that? 379 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:40,319 Speaker 4: Yeah? 380 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 381 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,559 Speaker 3: Have you seen leitha Weapon? Goony's Superman? 382 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 2: I know. Okay, but but that's not the movie he 383 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,839 got kicked oust. That's not the movie he got kicked out. True. Okay, 384 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,720 So there you go. There's there are origin stories for 385 00:18:56,079 --> 00:18:59,119 these two movies. What have you got for me in casting? Okay? 386 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 3: So let's go back to stand by me to talk 387 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:01,839 about casting. 388 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 4: Just think I'm weird? 389 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:04,559 Speaker 2: Definitely? 390 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: No, man, seriously, am I weird? 391 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? But so what everybody's weird? Okay. 392 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 3: So I was reading up on it today. When Rob 393 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,279 Ryiner was hired, what he wanted to do is he 394 00:19:16,319 --> 00:19:21,160 wanted to hire actors as close to the character as possible. Yeah, 395 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,079 which I think is smart when you're dealing with young 396 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,680 actors anyway, right of course. Yeah, so he auditions three 397 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:32,359 hundred young men YEP, interviews seventy of these YEP to 398 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:33,720 get down to these four. 399 00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 400 00:19:34,519 --> 00:19:37,279 Speaker 3: Now there's some interesting you know what ifs. I saw 401 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,720 a what if scenario like River Phoenix almost got the 402 00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:40,200 part that. 403 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: Will Wheaton got. Yeah, he was almost Gordy. 404 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:46,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, Ethan Hawk was supposed to be Chris Chris Chambers. 405 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 406 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,599 Speaker 3: I also saw the names Sean Aston, Stephen Dorf, Corey Ham. 407 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,400 All of those would have made sense for this time. Sure, 408 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,680 but I think they absolutely crushed this cast. 409 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 2: It's the perfect cast for this movie. And he's and 410 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:03,279 Reiner what and did exactly what he set out to do, 411 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,720 Because if you look at Will Wheaton's history, his mother 412 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,440 was an aspiring actress who wasn't doing too well? Who 413 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:14,480 made him? He's a shy kid. She made him go 414 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,160 into her agent and say, I want to do what 415 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,279 mommy does. Yeah, but he's like painfully shy. He shouldn't. 416 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,799 He didn't have any desire to do it, but because 417 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:26,680 he did what his mom said. His dad, I guess, 418 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:30,119 is a medical salesperson of some kind. And he's got 419 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,920 two different siblings, both of whom are the golden child, right, 420 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:37,359 the children that are loved and he is unloved. 421 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 3: Does that sound exactly on the nose for Gordy's character. 422 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,079 Speaker 2: That's right on the nose. 423 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 3: His dad loved his siblings more than him. 424 00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 2: It should have been you will right. Yeah, why can't 425 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,359 you be more like Denny? Yeah? 426 00:20:51,799 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 3: That's that just breaks my heart and adds to the reality. 427 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 2: Of the character. Yeah. Absolutely, like a lot of what 428 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,160 you're seeing like his when he has that scene of 429 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,319 my dad hates me, My dad hates me, he's genuinely 430 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:06,279 got that going on. 431 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:11,279 Speaker 3: No good, my dad said it a look good doesn't 432 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:11,759 know you. 433 00:21:13,759 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 4: He hates me. 434 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 2: He doesn't hate you. 435 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 3: It's no, he just doesn't know you. 436 00:21:25,079 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, then you got Corey Feldman. How do you know 437 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:29,359 if Frenchman has been in your backyard. 438 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 3: Damn French. Okay, your garbage chands are empty and your 439 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,200 dog's pregnant. 440 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,319 Speaker 2: Can I just say I was French? He's I mean, 441 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,960 he's been in he's been in movies since he was 442 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:40,559 a little kid. 443 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 3: Corey Feldman played the young voice of Copper from Foxing 444 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:45,880 the Hound. 445 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 2: I'm on the Players. 446 00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:53,839 Speaker 1: Twelve. 447 00:21:55,799 --> 00:22:07,519 Speaker 2: I don't know yet why it's it's you. What do 448 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,920 you do that for? We're supposed to do that when 449 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,880 we fund what we've been dragging. I'm a fox. My 450 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:17,160 name's Todd. What's your name? Kid? 451 00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:20,319 Speaker 1: Man's Copper, I'm my own dog. 452 00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And he was on the I think the 453 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,640 series of Bad News Bears as a little kid. Yeah, 454 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:27,720 he had I mean, he was in. 455 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:30,839 Speaker 3: A town, he was in Gremlins, he was in Goonies 456 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,880 of course before this. 457 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Friday the thirteenth. 458 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 3: He kills Jason. 459 00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:39,599 Speaker 2: He killed Jason, right, And so he's I mean at 460 00:22:39,599 --> 00:22:41,559 the point that he's coming up for this part. He's 461 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,759 kind of a veteran actor. 462 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 3: He's the biggest name in this cast. 463 00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 2: He definitely is. Yeah, but again, his childhood is crap. 464 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,720 His mom is a little bit crazy. Yeah, to understate 465 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,920 it a little bit. His dad is this traveling the guy, 466 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,240 a musician who is in and out and is abusive 467 00:23:01,319 --> 00:23:04,519 physically and mentally with him. You know, it's just and this, 468 00:23:04,759 --> 00:23:08,200 and in this movie, it's his first time that they're 469 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,519 not there hovering over him. And he's like, it was 470 00:23:11,599 --> 00:23:15,599 like summer camp. It was like I was finally free 471 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:18,799 of the weight of having them there on me. 472 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 3: I saw that during this summer. This film was shot 473 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:22,359 the summer of. 474 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty five. 475 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, first time he drank, first time he smoked pot, 476 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,759 first time he kissed a girl. 477 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,799 Speaker 2: Went to a nightclub. Yeah. And then that, of course 478 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:34,160 then brings us to River Phoenix. It's like, God gave 479 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,200 you something, man. All those stories that you can make up, 480 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,440 but he said, this is what we got for you. Kid. 481 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:40,359 Try not to lose it. 482 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,279 Speaker 1: Kids lose everything. 483 00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 3: Unless there's someone there will look out for them. 484 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,799 Speaker 2: Now he's got an interesting he's got an interesting history, 485 00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:52,920 which I can't believe ties back to something in our 486 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,079 Fleetwood Mac episode. That's right. Yeah, So if you remember 487 00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:58,519 our Fleetwood Mac episode, we had one I don't remember 488 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,000 his name, with one of the guitarists leaves to go 489 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:05,880 buy a magazine and then disappears, and they ultimately find 490 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,559 him in this cult called the Children of God. Right 491 00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:13,160 well River Phoenix's parents joined the same cult. 492 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 3: They could have been standing there chanting in the guy's face. 493 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,079 Speaker 2: It very, very very possibly could have. Yes, I have 494 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,920 to look at the year that that guy dropped out 495 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,119 and that they came in. But they and this Children 496 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,720 of God thing has been deemed a cult and sexually subversive, 497 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:33,400 no doubt about by court systems in the UK. I mean, 498 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,359 it's a weird deal. But his parents are hippies. He's 499 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,519 born nineteen seventy. He's got a half sibling who's older 500 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:43,079 than him, but for that family where his mom and 501 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,119 dad are married, he's the oldest child and so he, 502 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,359 very much like Chris Chambers, is the big brother figure 503 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,799 for all these guys. Right He's the confident protector of 504 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,440 everyone there. And it was his same role and so 505 00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:02,240 he also has He's been auditioning over and over again 506 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,160 in these parts. He hasn't been in that much. He 507 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,519 hasn't been in as much stuff as Corey Feldman has. 508 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:10,680 But Corey Feldman says that they got along like that. 509 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,960 He there would be parents during auditions who saw them 510 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,880 reading lines, and they'd be like, go read lines loudly 511 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,759 next to that kid, like they were they were psychologically manipulating, 512 00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:23,400 you know, the CA have the kids do things to 513 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,160 sabotage stuff. And he said, River Phoenix and I just 514 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,279 got along. We'll go outside and play until it was 515 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:32,359 our turn to come read, you know. And so River 516 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,440 Phoenix gets cast as the big brother figure for the group. 517 00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:39,680 Perfect casting choice. He's got confidence, he's got swag, and 518 00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:42,000 he's the only one of the four who lost his 519 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:47,759 virginity during filming. Who's watching these kids this Apparently he 520 00:25:47,839 --> 00:25:54,319 went to stay at a friend's house, yeah day, and 521 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,319 he just had this big smile on his face. Oh 522 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,680 my gosh, yes, yeah, because yeah, they went off to 523 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:02,759 they went off the nightclubs. They were doing all this 524 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:05,319 other stuff, which again also will tie back into what 525 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,039 happens with the Sandlot cast too. And then finally you've 526 00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:10,240 got Jerry O'Connell. I can only have one food for 527 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,440 the rest of my life. That's cheesy pest, cherry flavor pest. 528 00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:17,279 Speaker 1: A question about it. 529 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,279 Speaker 2: Now, Jerry O'Connell is younger than the rest of the kids, yep, 530 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,319 and chubby than the rest of it has no acting experience. 531 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,160 He's not from California. He's from New York and he 532 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,759 is ADHD to the max. Right, He's just like all 533 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:35,119 over the place. And he said his whole life, you know, 534 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,880 growing up, he's always the kid that the teacher would 535 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,119 be like getting onto and he couldn't. You know. He's 536 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,799 always cracking jokes and always getting in trouble and always 537 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:44,799 out of his seat. And he does the audition. This 538 00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:46,920 is my favorite part. He's like, I do the audition 539 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,319 and I leave and I forgot something, so I came 540 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,920 back in and got it, and I looked at Rob 541 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,400 Ryder and I'm like, are you that guy on Channel five? Yeah? 542 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:59,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I could just see him doing that, right, yeah, 543 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,559 he probably he probably has his fly undone and his 544 00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:02,200 shoes on dyed. 545 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and probably lost all his pennies. Right, But 546 00:27:06,839 --> 00:27:09,640 he's the son of a whore. So he said that 547 00:27:09,799 --> 00:27:15,240 during filming, he's like cutting up during the while they're rolling, right, 548 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,720 and he's being silly and goofy and doing stupid stuff, 549 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,480 and he hears Rob Reiner, Y'll cut and start marching 550 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,200 towards him. He's like, oh gosh, here's where I get 551 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,720 told to sit on my hands and be quiet, thought 552 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,279 I'm gonna be in trouble, and Rob Reiner is like, 553 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,920 more of that, you guys, what he's just doing. I 554 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,480 want to see more of that. And he's like, oh 555 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,119 my gosh, this is my place. I get to be me, 556 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,799 I get to be crazy old Jerry. Yeah. 557 00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:43,039 Speaker 3: I also heard a story where they were doing the 558 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,839 train scene and Vernon Gordy are supposed to be running scared, 559 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,240 like freaking out because his train's coming, and they just 560 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,200 weren't getting it. The emotion wasn't there, and Rob Reiner 561 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,960 called cut and he went over and he's like, you 562 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,559 guys are eving this whole thing up. And you see 563 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,880 these guys on the camera. I told them to run 564 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,799 your butts over because you guys are not getting it, 565 00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:04,160 and like just laid into it so much so that 566 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,680 they started to cry action. 567 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: It's like, okay, sorry, guys, I just did that because 568 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,279 I needed to get your amped up there for this. 569 00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:15,680 That's great, and I what is great is that these 570 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,319 guys are all still friends like they I'm sure you 571 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,160 have high school and college friends that you were still 572 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,160 in text group with. These guys still are in a 573 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,200 text group together. I'm watching them interview together and they're 574 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,160 talking about that scene because you know, the young interviewers like, 575 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,640 you know, there's no there's no computer effects. This is 576 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,400 all real stuff. And they're like, and Corey Feldman's like, 577 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,960 oh no, it's like a it was a CGI thing, 578 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,680 like we had a screen behind us with the train ye, 579 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:46,000 And and Jerry O'Connell's like, I don't I don't remember 580 00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:48,039 that part, and they're like, oh, I think they had 581 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:49,240 a sub for you. I think it was like a 582 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,200 young John Stamos. 583 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:52,839 Speaker 3: That's funny. 584 00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. If you don't get that joke, look up who 585 00:28:57,559 --> 00:28:59,240 Jerry O'Connell ended up marrying. 586 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: Jerry O'Connell, the fat, chubby little vern goes up to 587 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,480 be a pretty muscular, good looking, like kind of hard trainer. 588 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 589 00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:10,839 Speaker 3: When Mary's Rebecca Remain, I think he was. 590 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:14,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was her. I think he was 591 00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:18,119 a trainer. Yeah, let's go. That's awesome. Snuck that one 592 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,319 by the old Stamos man there. I guess you know. 593 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 3: I did watch a video where they were given Jerry 594 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,400 O'Connell a hard time, and you see it in the movie. 595 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:31,640 Because Corey Filman's like, this is where you can see his. 596 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: His mic is a mike box. 597 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,839 Speaker 3: He had the radio and he's flopping it around like 598 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,039 he's got a blown tie. 599 00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: And this scene where like, you know, they're like, let's 600 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,480 cut across when that before the leech is seen there, 601 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:44,319 Let's cut across this field. He's like, I don't think 602 00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:46,960 it's a good idea, guy, And finally he like goes 603 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,039 and as he's going he falls. Yeah, he actually fell. 604 00:29:50,119 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: That was not. 605 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 606 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. So all of these guys, it's just this perfect 607 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,920 thing where they're all the characters that they play. Yeah, 608 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,240 and Rob Reiner again another moment of genius. He has 609 00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:06,599 them stay together for two weeks before filming starts, doing 610 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,880 these improvisational exercises for kids. Basically it's actors improvisational stuff, 611 00:30:12,119 --> 00:30:14,640 these games they play, and so by the time that 612 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,799 they get to filming, they're all buddies. I mean, can 613 00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:19,119 you imagine, like you go to camp, you meet these 614 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,559 people for the first time, but all the time when 615 00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:23,319 I was a kid and go to camp, you would 616 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,440 make friends. I be like instantaneous, like these guys are 617 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,519 my people. And for two weeks that's what they do, 618 00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:30,799 and so by the time they're there for filming. These 619 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:32,119 guys are all tight. 620 00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:34,119 Speaker 3: I think both of these movies do a great job 621 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,519 remembering back when you were twelve, thirteen, fourteen. Everything is 622 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,440 new and everything is huge, right. Yeah, So in the 623 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,920 Sandlot when Squint smooches Wendy Peppercorn, that was like a 624 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,720 titan moment in his life. 625 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:51,559 Speaker 2: As an Adam Baum for a kid at twelve years old. Ye, 626 00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:52,559 an Adam bomb, that's right. 627 00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:55,759 Speaker 3: So I think the movies, both of these movies show 628 00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,319 that pretty well. But as actors, I'm sure you know, 629 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,319 kissing the girl for the first time was a big deal, 630 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,480 and hanging out with other actors in a hotel room 631 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:06,440 and causing trouble and mischief and stuff. 632 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: Figuring out what the hell goofy is anyway. 633 00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 3: The Pez cherry flavor Pez. 634 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe of all of the lines in 635 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,599 the movie, that's the one that made the that's the 636 00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:18,920 one that made the poster. That is weird to me that. 637 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,319 I mean, I love the line, but really, of all 638 00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:22,839 of the lines, that's the one you're gonna put on 639 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,440 the movie poster. Yeah, I can have one food for 640 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,720 the rest of my life. Cherry flavor pess, cherry pees. 641 00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:35,039 Speaker 3: Keifer Sutherland has never been scarier in his entire life 642 00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:35,440 than he is. 643 00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:38,119 Speaker 2: I really did not like Keifer Sutherland for a long 644 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,960 time because all that I knew him from he was 645 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:44,599 the bad guy, like he was the bad vampire in 646 00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,480 The Lost Boys. He was the bully and stand by me. 647 00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:51,680 I mean, he was just he was a jerk. The 648 00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:56,319 brother's not very polite eyeball. Now, Christopher, I know you 649 00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:59,559 didn't mean to insult my friend. I know I didn't 650 00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:02,640 mean to him. That's why I'm going to give him 651 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,440 the opportunity of taking it back. 652 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 3: He is so cool though, Like when there's a scene 653 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,079 in the beginning of the movie where Chris insults him, 654 00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:12,759 so he takes him to the ground. He picks up 655 00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:14,640 a cigarette. He's gonna put it out in his eye, 656 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,680 and he's like, take it back, take it back, yeah, 657 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,400 And it's calmly like, but you believe that he's going 658 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,359 to put this in his eye. 659 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: You believe that he's got ice water in his veins. 660 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,160 You have the scene where they're playing chicken with the truck. 661 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,799 You have the scene where he's walking towards him as 662 00:32:29,799 --> 00:32:31,880 he's getting a gun pointed at him, or when he's 663 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,519 walking toward him with the knife, you believe he's about 664 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:35,599 to cut him, You're dead. 665 00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, when he's stands him back up after the cigarette thing, 666 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:43,119 he's like, there, I feel so much better, right, you know, 667 00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:44,359 it's so cool. 668 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: And River Phoenix was like, I really want you to 669 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,039 burn me with this thing, and he was like, no, 670 00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,920 not going to do that, mister method actor. I'm not 671 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:53,599 going to do that. 672 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 3: By the way, we haven't really talked about this, but 673 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,920 I know we're all over the place. But Key for 674 00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,599 Sutherland and River Phoenix became friends over the course of 675 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,240 this movie. 676 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:05,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was deliberately cold to them, but 677 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,720 there is definitely a great origin story where he's being 678 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:11,480 friendly to River Phoenix. Go ahead. 679 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 3: So River Phoenix is trying to teach himself how to 680 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,480 play the guitar and Keiver Solon walks by and says, oh, 681 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:19,559 you're learning to play a guitar, Well, let me show 682 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:21,279 you a song that I can play on the guitar 683 00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:23,640 and I'll teach you how to do it. That song 684 00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:27,079 is stand by Me. Rob Ryaner walks by at the 685 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,000 exact moment where Kiver Solon is teaching River Phoenix how 686 00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:33,039 to play stand by Me? And rob Ryiner says, and 687 00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:35,920 I really love that that song too, And they were 688 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,400 already looking for a title for this movie because the. 689 00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:41,599 Speaker 2: Body sounds like a sex movie, right, or a horror movie. 690 00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 3: Or a weightlifting movie, right, And so that sparks something. 691 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,359 He's like, man, stand by Me, what a great title. 692 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,400 And then that song goes all the way to number 693 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,480 nine in December of nineteen eighty six. 694 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,559 Speaker 2: They use the song in the movie, along with a 695 00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:58,000 bunch of other great songs they do. But yeah, it's 696 00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:01,039 a fantastic story that that moment, that just kind of 697 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,000 nice moment where the bully and the hero offs off 698 00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:08,800 camera are doing something, you know, like hey, let me 699 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,360 show you how to do this, and director happens to 700 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,360 walk by. They need a better title. Magic is made. 701 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,679 Speaker 3: That's right by the way. Side note, Kiev Sadlin is 702 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,639 currently playing rock venues in Europe. 703 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 2: He's an actual musician. 704 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 3: He is an actual musician. I did see that he 705 00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:29,920 was having to cancel some of his American dates because 706 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,119 nobody knew he was a music and so nobody was 707 00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:36,079 coming to see him. All right. You also have Casey simesco. 708 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,280 Speaker 2: In this movie. Yeah, and he's in three o'clock High. 709 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,880 He's three D in Back in the Future A clock High. 710 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love Back in the Future. He also 711 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,360 plays Charlie in You Young Guns. 712 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Regulators Mount Up. 713 00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:52,159 Speaker 3: Keiever is Doc Scirlock. Your brother said he was a 714 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:52,639 jerk though. 715 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. They went. He got certified scuba diving at the 716 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:56,960 same time my brother did, and he said he was 717 00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:58,599 kind of an a hole. But you never know, you know, 718 00:34:58,599 --> 00:34:59,719 they met for a few hours. Matter. 719 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 3: You also have John Cusack who plays Denny, that's the 720 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,400 older brother. 721 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 2: Right. 722 00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 3: Of course that connection comes from the sure thing with 723 00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:13,760 Rob Reiner. Rob Reiner wanted somebody that could really hold, 724 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:16,960 that could really have a presence in the movie, despite 725 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:19,360 not being on screen very much. You look at him 726 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,840 and you go, I love that guy like he's a hero, right, 727 00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:26,480 and a football hero. 728 00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 2: It's believable that's a quarterback. Yeah, all right. 729 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 3: You also have Popeye as Chopper, Andy Lindbergh as David 730 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:46,719 Hogan Lardass, Yeah, and Richard Dreyfuss as narrator or Old Gordy. 731 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:47,639 Speaker 2: Right. 732 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 3: Here's the interesting thing. Rob Reiner had already hired a 733 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,880 guy named David Duke's to be the narrator, didn't like 734 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,639 his voice so much, and he thought to himself, who's 735 00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:59,880 my friend? Who am I friends with? He and Richard 736 00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:03,159 have been friends since they were fifteen years old. 737 00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:05,119 Speaker 2: Oh nice, And. 738 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:08,639 Speaker 3: So he's like, did you Dreyfus? 739 00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 2: It's perfect? And he's a great narrator. He is a 740 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,960 he is a great adult gordy voice, he is. 741 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 3: And the way he just stares at the computer, you 742 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,760 can just feel the emotion. Yeah, all right, can you 743 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:25,280 name the other Rob Ryan or movie that Richard Dreyfus 744 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,880 has a prominent role in. 745 00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:32,039 Speaker 2: Uh oh, well, there may be more. 746 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 3: But the American President he plays the other guy running 747 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,320 for president. 748 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,519 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. I forgot. 749 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 3: He's like, I'm senator blah blah blah and I'm running 750 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,480 for president. 751 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, no, I forgot about that good one. Okay, 752 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:46,760 all right. 753 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,039 Speaker 3: That takes us through the cast of Stand by Me. 754 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 2: Okay, so that brings us to say, we gotta call 755 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,440 it that, we gotta call it for the day. 756 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 3: I don't care bacon like a toasted caesar here. 757 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, we'll vote on him then, all right, anybody 758 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,239 who wants to be a can hack at panty waste 759 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,400 who wears his mama's bra raise your. 760 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 3: Hand, Gotta call it, gotta call it for the day. 761 00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 2: Okay, fine, be like that. That's what do you want 762 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,119 to do? 763 00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 3: Scampool honeys. 764 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,280 Speaker 2: All right, guys, we'll see you next week. 765 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,039 Speaker 3: See you next week. 766 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 4: Remember, kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered, 767 00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:34,599 the legends never die. Full of your heart, kid, never 768 00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:35,039 go wrong.