Speaker 1: Do you remember the golden days of summer when we
thought the days would never end, when we would play
scratch baseball with our friends in the park until the
street lights came on and it was time to go
home for dinner. Well, Jason inde do this week on
the Surely surely, surely you can't.
Speaker 2: Be serious podcast?
Speaker 1: It is the Standbot versus stand by Me in competition.
Here we go.
Speaker 3: All right, I've got a question for you. Yeah, when
we're talking Stephen King adaptations? Yes, what is your favorite
movie that was a Stephen King book or novella?
Speaker 2: One of my favorite movie of all time. It's Shoshank Redemption.
Speaker 3: Shoshank Redemption. Yes, okay, And where does stand by Me
fit on this list?
Speaker 2: It? It probably is number two, number two. It's probably
number two.
Speaker 3: I think we're in the ballpark with you know, most people. Yeah,
both of those came from the same book, correct different seasons.
You ever read that book?
Speaker 2: I have? Yes?
Speaker 3: Have you read?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 3: You've read The Body and Shashcredyption.
Speaker 2: And The Whistle Method and apt pupil.
Speaker 3: At pupil At Pupil scared the crap out of me
when I saw that.
Speaker 2: When I read that, I haven't actually seen that movie.
It's pretty good, okay.
Speaker 3: But the book, man, I was haunted by that one.
Speaker 2: All right, is this our introduction? I just are we
coming out with a bang here?
Speaker 3: We are talking about one of the greatest Stephen King
adaptations of all time.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's one of the things that we're talking about.
And I would also like to say a happy anniversary
to the country of the United States. And what do
we say? We're as American as apple Pie and Chevrolet Baseball.
Come on, Chevrolet, you know we we just ended the
National Championship for baseball and our team who I mean.
I gotta say, in many years of being a Norman,
Oklahoma resident, Oklahoma baseball has not been a thing. Oklahoma
softball has been a great, big deal. And I'm not
saying not a thing, but they just haven't been the
big contenders. And by golly, won the national championship this year.
Way to go, Norman, Sooner Smith.
Speaker 3: That's right, man, we were living and breathing baseball unlike
any summer for me in a long time.
Speaker 2: So then the next question is did you play pick
up baseball with your friends?
Speaker 3: I did play baseball. I play baseball and so we
still do that.
Speaker 2: We've gone out of together. Yeah, and I think it's
probably my favorite kind of baseball to play when you're all,
you know, that's it's kind of beer League, but it's
just that fun, little asolute. Let's just go have a game. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I call people, I say, you want to go hit?
Speaker 2: Right? Go ahead? Go ahead. If you didn't read the
title whenever you clicked on this link, we are talking
about two coming of age movies from our childhood. We
have stand By Me, which was released in nineteen eighty six,
and we have The sand Lot, which was released in
ninety three. Ninety three, that's right, okay, So fortieth anniversary
for stand by Me. I gotta say, I feel like
the Sandlot is kind of an underdog going into this competition. Okay,
but it's an iconic movie. We don't have a We
don't have the lopsided Groundhog Day versus Multiplicity. We don't
have the kind of lopsided the lopsided Adventures in Babysitting
versus Ferrispuler's Day Off. I think that Sandlot is just
a semi underdog in this one. But I think it's
an unappreciated gem. I know, that a lot of people
really love the movie. I love it. I'm excited to
talk about it.
Speaker 3: I will say this, I kind of agree with you,
although I was thinking to myself today, Yeah, the Sandlot
has an unquestioned impact on our culture. Like today, you said, hey,
I need to move the recording time.
Speaker 2: I was like, you're killing you kill Yes, I didn't
say that, I just said, hey, what are you doing tonight?
Like you're killing me? Could you do what was coming?
Speaker 3: That's right, that's it.
Speaker 2: I mean I ran all the way over here, I
ran all the way home. So which of these movies
is more quotable? That'll be a question we've got to
figure out. You know, there's there is a There are
a ton of great lines in both of these movies,
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Speaker 3: You know I can already hear Jeff Johnson saying, why
are we comparing these two movies?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Because one is about baseball and one is absolutely not
about baseball.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, here's the thing. They are both. They
are both told from the perspective of someone in the
present about a time in the past. They are both.
I mean, we're talking about nineteen fifty nine is whenever
stand By Me is supposed to have happened, and nineteen
sixty two is whenever Sandlot is supposed to have happened.
And I think in the book it's even nineteen sixty
So we're talking about like a two year part summer
experience of kids growing up, like, you know, thirteen fourteen
year old kids growing up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that's really easy to see. Also,
just off the cuff, both of these movies have a
scene with kind of a crazy dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: Both of these movies have a vomit scene.
Speaker 2: I mean a junkyard dog, like to be specific a
junkyard dog. Yeah. Yeah, you get the vomit scenes. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And then the time period kind of matches up between
these two as well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 3: When you came over to my house yesterday, yeah, my
dog greeted you at the door, and I said, choppersick balls.
Speaker 2: Another great quotable line.
Speaker 3: That's it, all right, So let's dive into it. What
do you want to start? You want to start with
stand by Me?
Speaker 2: Sure, Mickey's mouse Donald to Duck Pluto is a dog
what's Goofy?
Speaker 3: He's a dog.
Speaker 2: He's definitely a dog. Can't be a dog?
Speaker 3: Wears the hat and drives a car.
Speaker 2: That's weird. What the hell is Goofy? Yeah, it's the
first one to come out. Came out in nineteen eighty six,
so this is interesting. The book came out in nineteen
eighty two. It was a novella and the title of
the story and the novella was The Body, which was
the original title of the movie. Now, if you've read
The Body, you know that there are not just one,
but two other stories within a story in that novella. Right,
You've got the one that we get the largest story.
I believe it was called The Revenge of Largest Hogan. Okay,
you know, like Mike Hogan's brother if you had one, right,
And then the other one is stud City. Now stud
City didn't make it into the movie. It's another story
by Stephen King. But those stories both came out much earlier.
It came out stud City came out in sixty nine,
and The Revenge of lard Ass Hogan. Don't forget to
bleep me, by the way, since I'm somehow we're explicit
with stuff they say on TV anyway, it came out
in nineteen I six. It came out in nineteen seventy five.
So in the book, Stephen King puts a couple of
his old stories in to kind of show the progress
of Gordy as a writer, you know. And so the
book The Body comes out, the novella comes out, and
a guy named Bruce Evans, who is a screenwriter, sends
a gift to his writing partner's wife, Karen Evans for
her birthday, this novella, and quickly they all fall in
love with it. But they think, I mean it's Stephen King.
I'm sure somebody else has already got the option on this, right,
And so they're like, man, let's just let's see who's
got it. So they call up Stephen King's agent and
he's like, nope, nobody's got an option because Stephen King
doesn't do options. They're like, okay, is somebody talking to
him about the movie. He goes, listen, it's gonna be
one hundred thousand dollars for him plus ten percent of
the ten percent of the take, yeah, ten percent of
the gross. And they're like that's a lot. He's like, well,
he's Stephen King, so do your best bud.
Speaker 3: Remember when we talked about the Monster Squad Stephen.
Speaker 2: King Rules, So, as just a little bit of a backstory,
Evans and Gideon had been writing partners for a while.
Evans first credit is for Starman, which I think is
another movie we should cover. That's I think one that
people don't talk about enough and I think would be
a great Hey.
Speaker 3: Our buddy Robert Hayes was starting the TV spin off.
Speaker 2: Of that exactly right, exactly yes, So he does that
and then he but the first thing he works on
his writing partners is Raynold Gideon. The first thing he
works on with him is nineteen seventy nine's A Man,
a Woman and a Bank, which stars Donald Sutherland. Really yes,
and so then yes and so then of course, ironically
this movie that he's working on is ultimately going to
have Keefer in it. Now they realize, okay, listen, we
might be able to get this thing done, but this
is going to be some thing where we have a
bunch of no name actors. So we have to have
a director that people know in order to get a
studio to greenlight this project. Right, So do you know
who they.
Speaker 3: Get, well, Adrian Lyne or Lynn. I don't really know
how to pronounce his last.
Speaker 2: Name, right, it's Liner Lynn. Yes, who directed what Flash Dance?
Flash Dance?
Speaker 3: Hey, that's something.
Speaker 2: It's something. It's not bad. But like the rest of
his stuff is nine and a half weeks fale Attraction,
indecent proposal, Lolita, unfaithful. You see a pattern here? Boobs,
lots of boos, lots of sexy. Yes, I mean it's
not really goes screaming coming of age boys movie.
Speaker 3: Even Flash Dance, I would say, is a yeah for sure.
Speaker 2: It's just I mean she's working in a semi club. Yeah, yeah,
so an odd choice. But yes, he was a director,
and they didn't want to pay him. He was enough
of a guy they didn't want to pay him what
he was asking, and so Evans and Gideon both said, hey,
we'll give a half of what we're given to get him,
to get him on board. So it's really important. So
all of the studios that they approach turn them down,
except for Embassy Pictures Martin Schaeffer. Embassy Pictures is like,
you know what, I like this. He gets on the phone,
he negotiates and gets it down to fifty thousand dollars
for Stephen King and a smaller share of the profits.
And they spend eight weeks writing the script together and
then they're like, okay, we are ready to start filming
and we want to produce. And they're like, you guys
have no idea how to produce, your screenwriters, I'll tell
you what. We will let you produce, but we're going
to bring in a guy named Andrew Shyman because he's
done so, he's produced some movies and he's going to
help you with this process. Okay, And so they get
Lynn's salary under control, They've got Shyman helping them produce,
and then Lynn is like, okay, guys, I will be
ready to shoot right after my vacation and they're like
wait what He's like, yeah, I promised myself a six
month vacation after I finished filming this movie, so we
can we can start filming in eighty six, and they
and this is what's interesting. They go, listen, we don't
even know if this one studio who said yes is
gonna still exist in nineteen eighty six. Prophetic it is prophetic. Yeah,
So Lenn is out, but Shyman, the guy who came
on to produce, is Buddies with a young and upcoming
director named Rob Reiner.
Speaker 3: So this is where it gets interesting. Embassy is bought
out by Columbia Pictures.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Do you know who the parent company of Columbia Pictures is?
Speaker 2: Coca Cola?
Speaker 3: It's Coca Cola. Yes, And I told you Coca Cola
almost cost us the movie stand by Me. Yeah, because
they came in and said, eh, we're cutting this, we
don't want to do this, we're cutting production on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So do you know who stepped in as a friend
of Rob Ryaner?
Speaker 2: I do, But why don't you go ahead and tell me?
Speaker 3: It's Norman Lear. Yeah, the world renowned producer of all
in the family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy who yees. So Rob Reiner had been
meathead yet for people my age you probably might have
grown up seeing. But he was iconic director. I mean
because after stand by Me, you get when Harry met Sally,
you get Princess Bride, you get Misery, another great Stephen
King out of Pictures. Now, spinal Tap had come first,
but that was it's a mockumentary, low budget thing. He
had done spinal Tap, done this is spinal tap, and
he had done the sure thing.
Speaker 3: Sure thing which starred John Cusack.
Speaker 2: John Cusack, Yes, so, yes, he's making his way, but
this is a bigger deal.
Speaker 3: This is a step up in the real deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And so he comes to those, he comes
to the writers and he's like, listen, I can't really
get the feel on this. Let me look at it again.
And he's like, I feel like the story needs to
be Gordy's story because Gordy is the writer. Gordy is
the kid who I believe is going to grow up
and become Stephen King, and I think it needs to
be his story. They rewrite the script with that in mind,
and he's like, yes, this is something I can work with.
But then once they've got it, they've got all the
money to make it. Then they find out that Coca
Cola is like, well, yeah, but we're not going to
distribute it. Embassies out and so do you know what happens?
Do you know how it get finds a distributor? No? Okay,
So Columbia Pictures pulls the plug normally or steps in,
fills out the budget so that it gets financed. They
finish it, but they've got no distributor, and so Michael Ovitz,
who is the head of the creative artist agency says,
I think this is a good picture. I want to
help you guys, and so he sends it out to Paramount, no, Universal, no,
Warner Brothers, no, Columbia. Oh you already said no, And
so he sends it. He sends it to a guy
who is at Columbia and his name is Guy mcelwaine. Yes,
and he's sick. Yeah, he's sick. And he's like, geez,
I gotta watch this. You know, if Michael, if the
head of creative artist agency wants you to do something,
you're going to do it right and so sick or not, right,
sick or not. And he's like, Okay, I'll just go
I'll watch it at my house. Well, when he watches
it as his house, his little girl with him, and
they love it. Yea, And they say and he says,
you know what, if my kids love it, other kids
are going to love it. Let's do this thing.
Speaker 3: And he's dead on right.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: I have yet to meet a person who watched this
movie and said I don't like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I totally one agree.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I would say the same thing about the Sandlot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. So that's how we got to that's how
we get to stand by me, let's talk about how
we get to the sandlot sometime, Dame, my clause are
going out of style here, you are, please shut up? Okay, Okay,
who's our writer director on this thing?
Speaker 3: So the writer director is His name is David Mickey Evans.
Speaker 2: Okay. Had you heard of him before this? No, me either,
But he actually had done a decent amount of script
writing before this. It had kind of made him his
name as a spec screenwriter and something that a guy
that people could go to for screenwriting help. And he
wants to direct, right, and so he writes this script
that you might I've heard of called The Radio Flyer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was talking about this before we started recording. Yeah,
I've never seen that movie.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen. I think Tom Hanks is the narrator
in it.
Speaker 3: Tom Hanks is the uncredited narrator as older Mike in
that movie.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, and Mike was Elijah Wood's character in that thing. Yes, okay.
So it's this wonderful moment for him because he sells
that script for a million dollars and they allow him
to direct. Good for him for eight days? Oh no? Yeah?
So he's there, he's directing an eight days into the picture,
they fire him. They bring in Richard Donner to finish
the film because Richard's an experienced director and he wasn't.
And so he's like, of course. Crestfallen goes back to
his house and he's just thinking about like these apples,
these bullies, and it reminds him of his experience from
child hood when he and his brother, who helped him
with this movie, by the way, they moved to la
and they played sandlot ball and the kids, you know,
they're they're the new kids in town, and the other
kids were just all tolls to them, fully dumb. They
did their best to fit in, you know. And so
he sits down and he writes exterior the Sandlot. Those
are the first words that he writes.
Speaker 3: That's beautiful.
Speaker 2: I love it. And so what results a few months
later is the script for the Sandlot, which he again
sells for a million dollars, and this time he gets
to direct.
Speaker 4: Everybody gets one chance to do something great. Most people
never take the chance, either because they're too scared or
they don't recognize it when it spits on their shoes.
This is your big chance, and you shouldn't let it
go buy.
Speaker 3: I'm going to stand up for the studio here just
for a second. I hate to be the corporate guy.
But when Richard Donner wants to direct a movie and
you have a first timer, you go in and you say, sorry, kid,
bringing in the left hander Richard Donner to take over.
Speaker 2: Eight days in eight days?
Speaker 3: Well, Richard Donner off of leath a Weapon?
Speaker 2: Okay, I understand, But like, you make that decision before
you sign the guy, right, that's true? Yeah, I mean
they signed a contract with him, they did. Yeah, yeah,
it's yeah.
Speaker 3: It's a crappy thing to do, and it squashed his dreams.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: And if I may, you ask somebody on the street,
have you seen the Sandlot? Oh? Yeah, heck y? Have
you seen Radio Flyer? Uh? Is Frodo in that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Have you seen leitha Weapon? Goony's Superman?
Speaker 2: I know. Okay, but but that's not the movie he
got kicked oust. That's not the movie he got kicked out. True. Okay,
So there you go. There's there are origin stories for
these two movies. What have you got for me in casting? Okay?
Speaker 3: So let's go back to stand by me to talk
about casting.
Speaker 4: Just think I'm weird?
Speaker 2: Definitely?
Speaker 1: No, man, seriously, am I weird?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But so what everybody's weird? Okay.
Speaker 3: So I was reading up on it today. When Rob
Ryiner was hired, what he wanted to do is he
wanted to hire actors as close to the character as possible. Yeah,
which I think is smart when you're dealing with young
actors anyway, right of course. Yeah, so he auditions three
hundred young men YEP, interviews seventy of these YEP to
get down to these four.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now there's some interesting you know what ifs. I saw
a what if scenario like River Phoenix almost got the
part that.
Speaker 2: Will Wheaton got. Yeah, he was almost Gordy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ethan Hawk was supposed to be Chris Chris Chambers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I also saw the names Sean Aston, Stephen Dorf, Corey Ham.
All of those would have made sense for this time. Sure,
but I think they absolutely crushed this cast.
Speaker 2: It's the perfect cast for this movie. And he's and
Reiner what and did exactly what he set out to do,
Because if you look at Will Wheaton's history, his mother
was an aspiring actress who wasn't doing too well? Who
made him? He's a shy kid. She made him go
into her agent and say, I want to do what
mommy does. Yeah, but he's like painfully shy. He shouldn't.
He didn't have any desire to do it, but because
he did what his mom said. His dad, I guess,
is a medical salesperson of some kind. And he's got
two different siblings, both of whom are the golden child, right,
the children that are loved and he is unloved.
Speaker 3: Does that sound exactly on the nose for Gordy's character.
Speaker 2: That's right on the nose.
Speaker 3: His dad loved his siblings more than him.
Speaker 2: It should have been you will right. Yeah, why can't
you be more like Denny? Yeah?
Speaker 3: That's that just breaks my heart and adds to the reality.
Speaker 2: Of the character. Yeah. Absolutely, like a lot of what
you're seeing like his when he has that scene of
my dad hates me, My dad hates me, he's genuinely
got that going on.
Speaker 3: No good, my dad said it a look good doesn't
know you.
Speaker 4: He hates me.
Speaker 2: He doesn't hate you.
Speaker 3: It's no, he just doesn't know you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then you got Corey Feldman. How do you know
if Frenchman has been in your backyard.
Speaker 3: Damn French. Okay, your garbage chands are empty and your
dog's pregnant.
Speaker 2: Can I just say I was French? He's I mean,
he's been in he's been in movies since he was
a little kid.
Speaker 3: Corey Feldman played the young voice of Copper from Foxing
the Hound.
Speaker 2: I'm on the Players.
Speaker 1: Twelve.
Speaker 2: I don't know yet why it's it's you. What do
you do that for? We're supposed to do that when
we fund what we've been dragging. I'm a fox. My
name's Todd. What's your name? Kid?
Speaker 1: Man's Copper, I'm my own dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And he was on the I think the
series of Bad News Bears as a little kid. Yeah,
he had I mean, he was in.
Speaker 3: A town, he was in Gremlins, he was in Goonies
of course before this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Friday the thirteenth.
Speaker 3: He kills Jason.
Speaker 2: He killed Jason, right, And so he's I mean at
the point that he's coming up for this part. He's
kind of a veteran actor.
Speaker 3: He's the biggest name in this cast.
Speaker 2: He definitely is. Yeah, but again, his childhood is crap.
His mom is a little bit crazy. Yeah, to understate
it a little bit. His dad is this traveling the guy,
a musician who is in and out and is abusive
physically and mentally with him. You know, it's just and this,
and in this movie, it's his first time that they're
not there hovering over him. And he's like, it was
like summer camp. It was like I was finally free
of the weight of having them there on me.
Speaker 3: I saw that during this summer. This film was shot
the summer of.
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, first time he drank, first time he smoked pot,
first time he kissed a girl.
Speaker 2: Went to a nightclub. Yeah. And then that, of course
then brings us to River Phoenix. It's like, God gave
you something, man. All those stories that you can make up,
but he said, this is what we got for you. Kid.
Try not to lose it.
Speaker 1: Kids lose everything.
Speaker 3: Unless there's someone there will look out for them.
Speaker 2: Now he's got an interesting he's got an interesting history,
which I can't believe ties back to something in our
Fleetwood Mac episode. That's right. Yeah, So if you remember
our Fleetwood Mac episode, we had one I don't remember
his name, with one of the guitarists leaves to go
buy a magazine and then disappears, and they ultimately find
him in this cult called the Children of God. Right
well River Phoenix's parents joined the same cult.
Speaker 3: They could have been standing there chanting in the guy's face.
Speaker 2: It very, very very possibly could have. Yes, I have
to look at the year that that guy dropped out
and that they came in. But they and this Children
of God thing has been deemed a cult and sexually subversive,
no doubt about by court systems in the UK. I mean,
it's a weird deal. But his parents are hippies. He's
born nineteen seventy. He's got a half sibling who's older
than him, but for that family where his mom and
dad are married, he's the oldest child and so he,
very much like Chris Chambers, is the big brother figure
for all these guys. Right He's the confident protector of
everyone there. And it was his same role and so
he also has He's been auditioning over and over again
in these parts. He hasn't been in that much. He
hasn't been in as much stuff as Corey Feldman has.
But Corey Feldman says that they got along like that.
He there would be parents during auditions who saw them
reading lines, and they'd be like, go read lines loudly
next to that kid, like they were they were psychologically manipulating,
you know, the CA have the kids do things to
sabotage stuff. And he said, River Phoenix and I just
got along. We'll go outside and play until it was
our turn to come read, you know. And so River
Phoenix gets cast as the big brother figure for the group.
Perfect casting choice. He's got confidence, he's got swag, and
he's the only one of the four who lost his
virginity during filming. Who's watching these kids this Apparently he
went to stay at a friend's house, yeah day, and
he just had this big smile on his face. Oh
my gosh, yes, yeah, because yeah, they went off to
they went off the nightclubs. They were doing all this
other stuff, which again also will tie back into what
happens with the Sandlot cast too. And then finally you've
got Jerry O'Connell. I can only have one food for
the rest of my life. That's cheesy pest, cherry flavor pest.
Speaker 1: A question about it.
Speaker 2: Now, Jerry O'Connell is younger than the rest of the kids, yep,
and chubby than the rest of it has no acting experience.
He's not from California. He's from New York and he
is ADHD to the max. Right, He's just like all
over the place. And he said his whole life, you know,
growing up, he's always the kid that the teacher would
be like getting onto and he couldn't. You know. He's
always cracking jokes and always getting in trouble and always
out of his seat. And he does the audition. This
is my favorite part. He's like, I do the audition
and I leave and I forgot something, so I came
back in and got it, and I looked at Rob
Ryder and I'm like, are you that guy on Channel five? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I could just see him doing that, right, yeah,
he probably he probably has his fly undone and his
shoes on dyed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and probably lost all his pennies. Right, But
he's the son of a whore. So he said that
during filming, he's like cutting up during the while they're rolling, right,
and he's being silly and goofy and doing stupid stuff,
and he hears Rob Reiner, Y'll cut and start marching
towards him. He's like, oh gosh, here's where I get
told to sit on my hands and be quiet, thought
I'm gonna be in trouble, and Rob Reiner is like,
more of that, you guys, what he's just doing. I
want to see more of that. And he's like, oh
my gosh, this is my place. I get to be me,
I get to be crazy old Jerry. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I also heard a story where they were doing the
train scene and Vernon Gordy are supposed to be running scared,
like freaking out because his train's coming, and they just
weren't getting it. The emotion wasn't there, and Rob Reiner
called cut and he went over and he's like, you
guys are eving this whole thing up. And you see
these guys on the camera. I told them to run
your butts over because you guys are not getting it,
and like just laid into it so much so that
they started to cry action.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, sorry, guys, I just did that because
I needed to get your amped up there for this.
That's great, and I what is great is that these
guys are all still friends like they I'm sure you
have high school and college friends that you were still
in text group with. These guys still are in a
text group together. I'm watching them interview together and they're
talking about that scene because you know, the young interviewers like,
you know, there's no there's no computer effects. This is
all real stuff. And they're like, and Corey Feldman's like,
oh no, it's like a it was a CGI thing,
like we had a screen behind us with the train ye,
And and Jerry O'Connell's like, I don't I don't remember
that part, and they're like, oh, I think they had
a sub for you. I think it was like a
young John Stamos.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah. If you don't get that joke, look up who
Jerry O'Connell ended up marrying.
Speaker 3: Jerry O'Connell, the fat, chubby little vern goes up to
be a pretty muscular, good looking, like kind of hard trainer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When Mary's Rebecca Remain, I think he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was her. I think he was
a trainer. Yeah, let's go. That's awesome. Snuck that one
by the old Stamos man there. I guess you know.
Speaker 3: I did watch a video where they were given Jerry
O'Connell a hard time, and you see it in the movie.
Because Corey Filman's like, this is where you can see his.
Speaker 2: His mic is a mike box.
Speaker 3: He had the radio and he's flopping it around like
he's got a blown tie.
Speaker 2: And this scene where like, you know, they're like, let's
cut across when that before the leech is seen there,
Let's cut across this field. He's like, I don't think
it's a good idea, guy, And finally he like goes
and as he's going he falls. Yeah, he actually fell.
Speaker 1: That was not.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So all of these guys, it's just this perfect
thing where they're all the characters that they play. Yeah,
and Rob Reiner again another moment of genius. He has
them stay together for two weeks before filming starts, doing
these improvisational exercises for kids. Basically it's actors improvisational stuff,
these games they play, and so by the time that
they get to filming, they're all buddies. I mean, can
you imagine, like you go to camp, you meet these
people for the first time, but all the time when
I was a kid and go to camp, you would
make friends. I be like instantaneous, like these guys are
my people. And for two weeks that's what they do,
and so by the time they're there for filming. These
guys are all tight.
Speaker 3: I think both of these movies do a great job
remembering back when you were twelve, thirteen, fourteen. Everything is
new and everything is huge, right. Yeah, So in the
Sandlot when Squint smooches Wendy Peppercorn, that was like a
titan moment in his life.
Speaker 2: As an Adam Baum for a kid at twelve years old. Ye,
an Adam bomb, that's right.
Speaker 3: So I think the movies, both of these movies show
that pretty well. But as actors, I'm sure you know,
kissing the girl for the first time was a big deal,
and hanging out with other actors in a hotel room
and causing trouble and mischief and stuff.
Speaker 2: Figuring out what the hell goofy is anyway.
Speaker 3: The Pez cherry flavor Pez.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe of all of the lines in
the movie, that's the one that made the that's the
one that made the poster. That is weird to me that.
I mean, I love the line, but really, of all
of the lines, that's the one you're gonna put on
the movie poster. Yeah, I can have one food for
the rest of my life. Cherry flavor pess, cherry pees.
Speaker 3: Keifer Sutherland has never been scarier in his entire life
than he is.
Speaker 2: I really did not like Keifer Sutherland for a long
time because all that I knew him from he was
the bad guy, like he was the bad vampire in
The Lost Boys. He was the bully and stand by me.
I mean, he was just he was a jerk. The
brother's not very polite eyeball. Now, Christopher, I know you
didn't mean to insult my friend. I know I didn't
mean to him. That's why I'm going to give him
the opportunity of taking it back.
Speaker 3: He is so cool though, Like when there's a scene
in the beginning of the movie where Chris insults him,
so he takes him to the ground. He picks up
a cigarette. He's gonna put it out in his eye,
and he's like, take it back, take it back, yeah,
And it's calmly like, but you believe that he's going
to put this in his eye.
Speaker 2: You believe that he's got ice water in his veins.
You have the scene where they're playing chicken with the truck.
You have the scene where he's walking towards him as
he's getting a gun pointed at him, or when he's
walking toward him with the knife, you believe he's about
to cut him, You're dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when he's stands him back up after the cigarette thing,
he's like, there, I feel so much better, right, you know,
it's so cool.
Speaker 2: And River Phoenix was like, I really want you to
burn me with this thing, and he was like, no,
not going to do that, mister method actor. I'm not
going to do that.
Speaker 3: By the way, we haven't really talked about this, but
I know we're all over the place. But Key for
Sutherland and River Phoenix became friends over the course of
this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was deliberately cold to them, but
there is definitely a great origin story where he's being
friendly to River Phoenix. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: So River Phoenix is trying to teach himself how to
play the guitar and Keiver Solon walks by and says, oh,
you're learning to play a guitar, Well, let me show
you a song that I can play on the guitar
and I'll teach you how to do it. That song
is stand by Me. Rob Ryaner walks by at the
exact moment where Kiver Solon is teaching River Phoenix how
to play stand by Me? And rob Ryiner says, and
I really love that that song too, And they were
already looking for a title for this movie because the.
Speaker 2: Body sounds like a sex movie, right, or a horror movie.
Speaker 3: Or a weightlifting movie, right, And so that sparks something.
He's like, man, stand by Me, what a great title.
And then that song goes all the way to number
nine in December of nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 2: They use the song in the movie, along with a
bunch of other great songs they do. But yeah, it's
a fantastic story that that moment, that just kind of
nice moment where the bully and the hero offs off
camera are doing something, you know, like hey, let me
show you how to do this, and director happens to
walk by. They need a better title. Magic is made.
Speaker 3: That's right by the way. Side note, Kiev Sadlin is
currently playing rock venues in Europe.
Speaker 2: He's an actual musician.
Speaker 3: He is an actual musician. I did see that he
was having to cancel some of his American dates because
nobody knew he was a music and so nobody was
coming to see him. All right. You also have Casey simesco.
Speaker 2: In this movie. Yeah, and he's in three o'clock High.
He's three D in Back in the Future A clock High.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love Back in the Future. He also
plays Charlie in You Young Guns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Regulators Mount Up.
Speaker 3: Keiever is Doc Scirlock. Your brother said he was a
jerk though.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They went. He got certified scuba diving at the
same time my brother did, and he said he was
kind of an a hole. But you never know, you know,
they met for a few hours. Matter.
Speaker 3: You also have John Cusack who plays Denny, that's the
older brother.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Of course that connection comes from the sure thing with
Rob Reiner. Rob Reiner wanted somebody that could really hold,
that could really have a presence in the movie, despite
not being on screen very much. You look at him
and you go, I love that guy like he's a hero, right,
and a football hero.
Speaker 2: It's believable that's a quarterback. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3: You also have Popeye as Chopper, Andy Lindbergh as David
Hogan Lardass, Yeah, and Richard Dreyfuss as narrator or Old Gordy.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Here's the interesting thing. Rob Reiner had already hired a
guy named David Duke's to be the narrator, didn't like
his voice so much, and he thought to himself, who's
my friend? Who am I friends with? He and Richard
have been friends since they were fifteen years old.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, And.
Speaker 3: So he's like, did you Dreyfus?
Speaker 2: It's perfect? And he's a great narrator. He is a
he is a great adult gordy voice, he is.
Speaker 3: And the way he just stares at the computer, you
can just feel the emotion. Yeah, all right, can you
name the other Rob Ryan or movie that Richard Dreyfus
has a prominent role in.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, well, there may be more.
Speaker 3: But the American President he plays the other guy running
for president.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. I forgot.
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm senator blah blah blah and I'm running
for president.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, no, I forgot about that good one. Okay,
all right.
Speaker 3: That takes us through the cast of Stand by Me.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that brings us to say, we gotta call
it that, we gotta call it for the day.
Speaker 3: I don't care bacon like a toasted caesar here.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, we'll vote on him then, all right, anybody
who wants to be a can hack at panty waste
who wears his mama's bra raise your.
Speaker 3: Hand, Gotta call it, gotta call it for the day.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, be like that. That's what do you want
to do?
Speaker 3: Scampool honeys.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, we'll see you next week.
Speaker 3: See you next week.
Speaker 4: Remember, kid, there's heroes and there's legends. Heroes get remembered,
the legends never die. Full of your heart, kid, never
go wrong.