Speaker 1: You're listening to Big for Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
Speaker 1: In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to
Speaker 1: bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've
Speaker 1: seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers
Speaker 1: to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
Speaker 1: So stay with us, all right, Welcome back to another
Speaker 1: episode of the Big for Society podcast. We have the
Speaker 1: privilege of talking to a new friend today. His name
Speaker 1: is Filthy, and if you've seen the Instagram account Sasquatch,
Speaker 1: Underscore Reanimated, this is the individual that's in charge of
Speaker 1: that and who does all the artwork you're seeing on there.
Speaker 1: Is one of my favorites. A lot of really cool
Speaker 1: stuff on there, and we'll probably be talking talking about
Speaker 1: that later and a little bit of other info about
Speaker 1: Filthy today, so you know he he hangs out with
Speaker 1: individuals like you remember me talking to backwoods Bigfoot in
Speaker 1: episode six forty eight, and he's also research partners and
Speaker 1: bandmates with Chris from episode eight fifty one, both of
Speaker 1: those super Great Oregon episodes. I would recommend you check
Speaker 1: those out as well. But you know, we're going to
Speaker 1: be talking to Filthy about the things that he's experienced
Speaker 1: over the years. It's going to be a good chat.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, Filthy. How are you doing today?
Speaker 2: Man? Thanks Jeremiah. I'm good. I'm real good. How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I just I always have a few
Speaker 1: interviews in the afternoon and getting ready for the summer
Speaker 1: to hit dudes, so cannot complain. And man, so let's
Speaker 1: what before we do? I want to make sure that
Speaker 1: we talk a little bit about Sasquatch Underscore Reanimated is
Speaker 1: really really cool stuff. So what's the story behind what
Speaker 1: you're doing over there?
Speaker 2: Well, at first, it just started out me just drawing
Speaker 2: some of the things that I experience out in the field,
Speaker 2: some things that I've experienced in life, and I started
Speaker 2: getting uh, I started posting it and then getting contacted
Speaker 2: by people telling as soon as I started posting it,
Speaker 2: I'm getting hit up by people like, hey, this is
Speaker 2: what happened to me, you know, telling me all about
Speaker 2: their own bigfoot encounters and their sasquatch encounters or whatever.
Speaker 2: So I started, you know, drawing other people's encounters and
Speaker 2: then I actually even like send them the original art
Speaker 2: and sign it and everything. For me, it's just fun.
Speaker 2: It gives me something to draw. I'm drawing all the
Speaker 2: time anyway, So it's also another way of giving back
Speaker 2: to that to the community where someone can have like
Speaker 2: an illustrated piece of art to remember their own encounter.
Speaker 2: They can show their family and friends. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not gonna be you know, an exact interpretation. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be my my artist rendition, but it's gonna be cool.
Speaker 2: You know, it's gonna be like something that they can
Speaker 2: hold on to for the rest of their lives. And
Speaker 2: for me, like I said, I'm willing to do it,
Speaker 2: and it's just it's just fun for me.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've met a lot of really really cool
Speaker 2: people through the whole process too, people who you know,
Speaker 2: I've been you know, sharing notes with I've got people,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm telling you, I've got people all over
Speaker 2: the world who are out in the field doing the
Speaker 2: same thing I'm doing, and it's really cool to hear
Speaker 2: these stories, you know, from Scotland, you know, and from
Speaker 2: Australia and Vermont and Oregon, and you know, I talk
Speaker 2: to people all over the place that are dealing with
Speaker 2: these things and I met them all through that through
Speaker 2: Sasqutch Reanimated.
Speaker 1: That's so cool, Filthy, what is your main medium that
Speaker 1: you're using to create this art?
Speaker 2: Colored pencils on black like card stock paper.
Speaker 1: That blows my mind because when I'm looking at this artwork,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have no idea how he is doing this,
Speaker 1: but it is the coolest thing ever, and like just
Speaker 1: to know that it is like it's it's colored pencils
Speaker 1: and like something that I mean, I feel like anyone
Speaker 1: can use colored pencils, but to use them in a
Speaker 1: way to create art like this like that, that takes
Speaker 1: a special talent. So hats hats off to you man,
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing about that. So I'll have out
Speaker 1: of the link down in the show notes, so you know,
Speaker 1: listeners can definitely go over throw you follow check out
Speaker 1: your work. You'll definitely want to to keep up to
Speaker 1: date with with what Filthy is doing over there. But
Speaker 1: you know, so so filthy. Let's let's get into it. So,
Speaker 1: what was it that first introduced you to the world
Speaker 1: of Bigfoot? Was an experience you had, or maybe a
Speaker 1: TV show or.
Speaker 2: Well, for me, it was a long time ago, a
Speaker 2: couple of decades ago. It was an experience I had.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, I didn't know that just had
Speaker 2: anything to do with saft watch up until you know,
Speaker 2: two decades later. Almost I had no idea what I
Speaker 2: dealt with back in what the early two thousands. It
Speaker 2: was just so trippy and so out there at the time,
Speaker 2: I had no idea about any of the stuff I
Speaker 2: know now. So to me, I just wrote it off
Speaker 2: as like possible, paranormal or even possible. I thought I
Speaker 2: was having like a an insane trip. I didn't know
Speaker 2: what was going on. And it was years later that
Speaker 2: the puzzle started coming together. And it was in a
Speaker 2: funny way too. It was like, you know, I kind
Speaker 2: of forgot about it. I kind of just like put
Speaker 2: it in the back of my mind. And one day
Speaker 2: me and my wife were sitting in a living room
Speaker 2: and it was like during the time of like Finding
Speaker 2: Bigfoot was coming out and stuff. So you would see
Speaker 2: those commercials on TV all the time, the Finding Bigfoot commercials,
Speaker 2: and there was that one that was like Matt Moneymaker,
Speaker 2: He's like, I think there's a squatch in these woods.
Speaker 2: And me and my wife thought that was super hilarious
Speaker 2: at the time. Yeah, we were laughing. I guess I
Speaker 2: think there's a squatch in these woods. And it showed like,
Speaker 2: you know, the whole group of the guys in the
Speaker 2: woods that night, banging trees and screaming, and oh, I
Speaker 2: thought it was hilarious. So, you know, I didn't even
Speaker 2: watch it then. I just kept seeing the commercial though
Speaker 2: over and over, and one day I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I don't watch this seeing what the hell this is
Speaker 2: all about. And then as I'm watching the show and
Speaker 2: hearing you know, encounters and people talking about you know,
Speaker 2: just tasquatch. Yeah, the puzzle pieces started coming together and
Speaker 2: it like hit me like a ton of bricks. Like
Speaker 2: So my first encounter, which I've already talked about on
Speaker 2: a couple other podcasts, best place to really hear like
Speaker 2: the full encounter super detailed would be on The Bigfoot
Speaker 2: Crossroads episode one sixty two. They destroyed our camp with Matt.
Speaker 2: That's where I got really super detailed about that encounter.
Speaker 2: If you want to hear it, I'll go over a
Speaker 2: little bit about it today, but I want to stick
Speaker 2: more to like the stuff that's going on in the
Speaker 2: recent years. But yeah, I started watching the show and
Speaker 2: as I'm watching it, people are starting to say things
Speaker 2: verbatim of what happened to me, and I'm like, holy crap,
Speaker 2: this is what this was, you know. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I went like making fun of the whole thing,
Speaker 2: and you know, laughing about it and running around the
Speaker 2: house like peeking around corners to my wife, you know,
Speaker 2: I think there's a squatch in here, you know, like
Speaker 2: totally making a freaking mockery of it to like, holy nikes, man,
Speaker 2: this is what happened to me. So first thing I
Speaker 2: heard was the scream. Someone had mentioned that they heard
Speaker 2: a scream, and when they said it sounded like a
Speaker 2: woman getting murdered in the woods with like a lion
Speaker 2: roar in the background at the same time. That's what
Speaker 2: really hit me. I was like, Wow, that's the first
Speaker 2: thing that happens and in our really terrifying night me
Speaker 2: and my friend years ago, was this scream that stopped
Speaker 2: us in our place and vibrated through our body. I've
Speaker 2: said in the past the only thing that could compare
Speaker 2: to that level of noise was when I was at
Speaker 2: a Motorhead show and I was standing literally like two
Speaker 2: feet from Lemmy's bass amp and he came on and
Speaker 2: started playing overkill and the sound of the bass amp
Speaker 2: mixed with the double kick drum, like that vibration is
Speaker 2: what I felt in that screen, like just like that
Speaker 2: just penetrating my whole body. So that was the first thing.
Speaker 2: Second thing someone mentioned the trees started shaking, exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: Next it was the screen and then it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, the tree shaking. Someone else on Finding Bigfoot
Speaker 2: said something about them pushing trees over, which is also
Speaker 2: something that happened. Someone was mentioning that they were camping
Speaker 2: and getting like pine cones and rocks thrown at them.
Speaker 2: That also happened. So yeah, I just started putting all
Speaker 2: these pieces together, and slowly over time was like it
Speaker 2: came to the realization of what actually happened to me
Speaker 2: years ago. And we actually did put eyes on the creature,
Speaker 2: but at the time it was on all fours, like
Speaker 2: we didn't know what that thing was. So, I, who's
Speaker 2: gonna think Bigfoot when you see this thing that looks
Speaker 2: like a eight foot spider on the ground, running at
Speaker 2: full speed on its like hands and bent all weird,
Speaker 2: you know, like it just looked like something out of
Speaker 2: a nightmare. So I didn't put I didn't put all
Speaker 2: that together. Then, you know, I hear something about it
Speaker 2: could have been on maybe maybe like an old Sasquatch
Speaker 2: Chronicles podcast where someone was talking about the spider crawl,
Speaker 2: and yeah, that's when I was like, holy crap, that's
Speaker 2: exactly what I saw, you know. So that's how I
Speaker 2: got introduced to.
Speaker 1: The whole things that yeah, incredible, Wow this happened. Did
Speaker 1: you say in New Jersey?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm okay? Was so was this in the pine
Speaker 1: bearings then?
Speaker 2: Or yes? Okay, So there's multiple pine barrens in New Jersey.
Speaker 2: There's multiple sections. You know, over the years, I've noticed
Speaker 2: on maps those sections getting smaller and smaller, with you know,
Speaker 2: everything in New Jersey being so built up. Every everything,
Speaker 2: there's always construction going on. There's always you know, complexes
Speaker 2: being built, and it's it's really sad because New Jersey
Speaker 2: is the small state and it used to be like
Speaker 2: heavily wooded. But you know, it's sad to see those
Speaker 2: woods going bye by as the years go on, I
Speaker 2: know it. But yeah, I mean there's multiple sections of
Speaker 2: pine barren areas in New Jersey and they're all kind
Speaker 2: of connected from like south to North Jersey. I mean,
Speaker 2: you could probably get through that whole area without being detected.
Speaker 2: Got it's got some pretty thick forested areas, especially towards
Speaker 2: West New Jersey, south west New Jersey, and I mean
Speaker 2: I'm talking like the thickest of thick you know, Appalachia
Speaker 2: style kind of forests. You know.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's some wild stuff. And New Jersey's come
Speaker 1: up a few times on the show, the areas where
Speaker 1: Filthy is talking about. But so we're that's where you
Speaker 1: started out, and we're gonna say, I'm going to have
Speaker 1: the description to Bigfoot Crossroads down in the description of
Speaker 1: the show the episode, So after this, if you want
Speaker 1: to hear a little bit more and hear the whole story,
Speaker 1: go over there. But we want to focus on there's
Speaker 1: some some some wild stuff you've been happening or you've
Speaker 1: been into the last few years, So feel free to
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll talk a little about the New Jersey County,
Speaker 2: just like a little summary of what happened, so new
Speaker 2: people can that haven't heard it can just get a
Speaker 2: little understanding of what happened. So I was a kid.
Speaker 2: I ran away from home at a really really young age.
Speaker 2: I grew up in an abusive house. So I left,
Speaker 2: went to New York City, lived on the streets, was
Speaker 2: hiding from the law. I was ripping down posters of
Speaker 2: my face on the on buildings and walls because you know,
Speaker 2: I was on the missing person's list and I didn't
Speaker 2: want anyone to find me. And it ended up just
Speaker 2: being super stressful. So me and my a friend who
Speaker 2: also ran away, decided that we were going to go
Speaker 2: live in the woods. And I had some experience in
Speaker 2: the woods growing up. My dad lived in the Pine
Speaker 2: Barrens growing up, so I knew the I knew the
Speaker 2: Pine Barrens pretty well. I also had some books, one
Speaker 2: in particular, like the Sas Survival Book that I was
Speaker 2: super into bushcraft and all that kind of stuff. Was
Speaker 2: always fun for me when I was really young, learning
Speaker 2: like little stuff like that. So I had some experience.
Speaker 2: So either way, we ended up, you know, going out
Speaker 2: into the woods and making a camp pretty pretty far in,
Speaker 2: and we had a friend that lived kind of close
Speaker 2: by and we were able to like walk to his
Speaker 2: house sometimes in the shower if we wanted to, and
Speaker 2: get on AOL and chat with our friends and all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff and eat all his food. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we ended up living in the woods and had these
Speaker 2: things start happening that we noticed but didn't have any
Speaker 2: idea what it was like. We had pine cones thrown
Speaker 2: at the tent and little pebbles tossed all the like.
Speaker 2: We'd always find him on top of our tent. We
Speaker 2: built like a perimeter fence around the camp just as
Speaker 2: a precaution. We didn't know what was out there. We
Speaker 2: heard walking bipedal walking, like literally walking in like a
Speaker 2: circle around our camp from like fifty yards out like
Speaker 2: all night, that swish noise like of leaves all night,
Speaker 2: just in a big circle around their tent, you know,
Speaker 2: stuff like that, whistles. We were out there for about
Speaker 2: a year and a half or so, a long time,
Speaker 2: and we were pretty obnoxious kids too. We were we
Speaker 2: were like street punks. We had like lots of loud music,
Speaker 2: going on big fires, breaking stuff, you know, so I'm
Speaker 2: sure whoever was living there wasn't too happy with us,
Speaker 2: just put it that way. So, yeah, it kind of
Speaker 2: accelerated as the longer we stayed there, things started getting weirder.
Speaker 2: We had no idea what was going on. We thought
Speaker 2: it was haunted. We thought so many different things, like
Speaker 2: maybe there's like a hermit living near us. We didn't
Speaker 2: know what was going on, but you know, we just
Speaker 2: dealt with it, and you're, you know, like a year
Speaker 2: or so later, one night, we were hanging out with
Speaker 2: our friends in New York City and having fun and
Speaker 2: he drops us off later that night and we're doing
Speaker 2: our same normal walk into the woods like we always did,
Speaker 2: and that's when we were stopped with that insane screen that,
Speaker 2: like I said, sounded like a woman getting murdered and
Speaker 2: like a t rex or like a lion. You know.
Speaker 2: It's got that crazy like double sound to it, the
Speaker 2: high pitched screen with like the the basy growl kind
Speaker 2: of sound as well, and both of us stopped in
Speaker 2: our tracks and kind of looked at each other like
Speaker 2: what was that. So we just started running, you know,
Speaker 2: toward our camp, and that scream happened a few more times.
Speaker 2: We heard walking, we heard tree shape. It was terrifying,
Speaker 2: and we finally were running full speed. We finally get
Speaker 2: to like this little opening to where we can walk
Speaker 2: into our camp, which was pretty hidden chucked away in
Speaker 2: like a thick, thick part of the woods. And we
Speaker 2: get to our camp and the whole camp is completely gone.
Speaker 2: There's trees piled on top of it, big trees that
Speaker 2: were pushed over like a lot too. I mean, it
Speaker 2: was destroyed. So we had we were like freaking out.
Speaker 2: We were like, holy s, what do we do? So
Speaker 2: we were like we ran out. We saw more tree shaking,
Speaker 2: we saw a giant root ball getting smacked between two trees,
Speaker 2: and dirt just flying everywhere, and it was just like
Speaker 2: this loud, insane, crackling, thumping noise. That's when we like
Speaker 2: dove into like this dug out ditch that was built
Speaker 2: by I believe, like dirt bikers or BMX kind of dudes.
Speaker 2: They had some like you know, an area back there
Speaker 2: where they would go and do that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So we literally dove into this like giant hole and
Speaker 2: we're just sitting in there like shaking, like terrified, hearing
Speaker 2: all this stuff around us and we peek out of
Speaker 2: the hole and we're looking around and one of us
Speaker 2: noticed is a figure that's standing in this dead oak
Speaker 2: tree far away. It was probably like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: seventy five yards or so. I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 2: great with that kind of stuff, but it's standing there.
Speaker 2: I thought it looked like someone like hanging on on
Speaker 2: like a branch of this tree. And I'm like, what
Speaker 2: is that? And both of us saw it drop down
Speaker 2: onto the ground where it kind of looked like that
Speaker 2: giant spider.
Speaker 1: My goodness, Filter you're still there.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's weird.
Speaker 1: Hello, hey dude, Sorry, I don't know what happened there, Man,
Speaker 1: that was weird.
Speaker 2: I know. I don't know how long I was talking
Speaker 2: to myself for.
Speaker 1: It could have been a while. The last thing I
Speaker 1: heard was like you had just started to talk about
Speaker 1: how it it looked like a spider.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been Forbes.
Speaker 1: Weird stuff happens, like I don't know, man, there's a
Speaker 1: weird text stuff all the time on this jazz. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. Yeah, So sorry about that.
Speaker 1: We're still.
Speaker 2: Okay cool. Yeah, So so we're back to the spider
Speaker 2: crawl Okay, So this thing whatever it was, dropped out
Speaker 2: of the tree, got to the ground, like hit the
Speaker 2: ground on all fours like a spider, and was running
Speaker 2: around us. But it was doing like a weird kind
Speaker 2: of laugh, like a mix between like a hyena and
Speaker 2: like a howler monkey, like coming through a speaker. It
Speaker 2: was very bizarre, not natural kind of sound. So we're
Speaker 2: in this hole that we found, this dugout hole from
Speaker 2: these dart bikers, and we're shaking, we're pissing ourselves, we're
Speaker 2: freaking out. We don't know what's going on. One thing
Speaker 2: I left out was my uh my buddy was getting
Speaker 2: messages in his head. I don't think I've ever mentioned that.
Speaker 2: I might have, I don't know. He was getting messages
Speaker 2: in his head to leave now. I could kill you.
Speaker 2: All this weird stuff, and I was just like, what
Speaker 2: the hell is going on? This is why I thought
Speaker 2: we were like tripping on acid or something. For years,
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know, someone slipped us something like.
Speaker 2: It just felt so bizarre because when you grew up
Speaker 2: in New Jersey and New York City, you don't hear
Speaker 2: about any of this kind of stuff. You don't you
Speaker 2: don't know that this stuff is so close to home,
Speaker 2: like you don't just you just don't picture it happening.
Speaker 2: Just sounds like rubbish in my opinion, like back then,
Speaker 2: you know, like but yeah, all this stuff is happening.
Speaker 2: The thing's running around us, kicking sand, kicking dirt rocks, whatever,
Speaker 2: and we're just like freaking out in this hole. Another
Speaker 2: thing I never mentioned was there was like a weird
Speaker 2: chunk of time just missing. I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: know why. It's just like the sun just started coming up.
Speaker 2: It was just so weird how trauma just affects you.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was that. But then once
Speaker 2: the sun came up, we were just we looked out
Speaker 2: of that hole that we were in and I thought
Speaker 2: it was a good time to make a run for it,
Speaker 2: and we just started running. And as we're running out,
Speaker 2: we're getting paralleled by something. And we crossed this road
Speaker 2: into another section of woods goes down into this ravine area,
Speaker 2: and we hear this car that was coming down the
Speaker 2: road just screech and skid and go off the road
Speaker 2: into like trees and bushes. I don't know if that
Speaker 2: was related to the creatures that were chasing us. But
Speaker 2: we didn't stick around to find out. We just kept
Speaker 2: going and we found some railroad tracks and we just
Speaker 2: followed them out and we did not stop moving our
Speaker 2: feet for about eighteen to twenty miles. We were just going.
Speaker 2: We were just gone. We wanted nothing to do with that.
Speaker 2: We left all our stuff. We never went back for it.
Speaker 2: It's probably still sitting there today under a pile of lumber.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was That was the summary of that
Speaker 2: encounter that got me into this whole subject. It was horrifying,
Speaker 2: to be honest, like, and like I said, I had
Speaker 2: no idea what it was. Like, what what are you
Speaker 2: gonna think when you see an eight foot Harry spider
Speaker 2: that's laughing? Like what? Like makes no sense.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you're still in the subject after that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know most people would would just not even run
Speaker 1: away physically, they'd run away mentally from that and never
Speaker 1: have anything to do with Bigfoot again. I mean, that
Speaker 1: would just destroy him.
Speaker 2: Dude. Yeah, well, I didn't know what it was up
Speaker 2: like until years later, so I didn't know. But you know,
Speaker 2: when I did come to that realization, one thing that
Speaker 2: I that really hit hard was the fact that they
Speaker 2: never hurt us ever. They never threw a rock at
Speaker 2: our head. They never did any of that. They could
Speaker 2: have knocked trees down on top of us while we
Speaker 2: were sleeping and just ended us quickly. No one would
Speaker 2: have ever found us. You know, they never did any
Speaker 2: of that. It's a level of advanced thought, and I've
Speaker 2: used that to get over my fear of the woods,
Speaker 2: because I was terrified of the woods for years. After that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I went down a road of self destruction
Speaker 2: after that. I was just I didn't know what to
Speaker 2: think I was. I ended up getting addicted to drugs
Speaker 2: and I was having freaking sleep issues, Like I would
Speaker 2: be up for days, I couldn't sleep. Whenever I did sleep,
Speaker 2: I would have like sleep paralysis and like see these
Speaker 2: like I would see like these, you know, figures like
Speaker 2: on the end of my bed, like walking toward me
Speaker 2: and like choking me while I was like having this
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis, Like I was going through some crazy trauma.
Speaker 2: I was having issues for years. You know. I ended
Speaker 2: up getting clean and you know, getting my life together eventually,
Speaker 2: but I went through a really, really, really rough period
Speaker 2: where I was seeing the darkest of dark sides of
Speaker 2: this this world. And it was. It was no fun.
Speaker 2: But that's all in the past. Years later I found
Speaker 2: out what actually happened through watching these shows and listening
Speaker 2: to podcasts and stuff and then doing my own research,
Speaker 2: and I lost. I lost the fear. I just don't
Speaker 2: have the fear anymore of them. I kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: came to the realization that I was in I was
Speaker 2: the invader in that situation, and they were just scaring
Speaker 2: me out. They didn't they didn't wan anything to do
Speaker 2: with us. We did not belong. So you know, I
Speaker 2: find that so fascinating, you know, because any other animal
Speaker 2: would have freaking killed us. You know, if you're in,
Speaker 2: if you're if you're around like a black bear or
Speaker 2: a grizzly, a brown bear, grizzly bear, wolves, any kind
Speaker 2: of creature that has young nearby, you're going to die
Speaker 2: or you're not going to want to live after you're
Speaker 2: done to dealing with that. But these guys aren't like that.
Speaker 2: They'll just scare you out. You know. It takes a
Speaker 2: lot for the to really physically harm someone, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: so yeah, it definitely helped years later in my in
Speaker 2: the field work, I do. Having no fear of them
Speaker 2: really really helps, and I'll listen to the signs I
Speaker 2: have been told not to keep going in certain directions,
Speaker 2: and I will listen to it every time. You just
Speaker 2: have to be smart, you know. When I'm out there,
Speaker 2: I kind of it kind of have more of like
Speaker 2: a Tom Cantrell kind of approach. Rest in peace, Tom, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: amazing person right there. Someone God, I mean, I've I don't.
Speaker 2: I've learned so much from Tom. It's it's like the
Speaker 2: way he approaches the whole situation makes the most sense
Speaker 2: to me. And once once I heard Tom tell his stories,
Speaker 2: it was like a game changer for me. And that's
Speaker 2: when I started really getting the footage. I mean, I'm talking.
Speaker 2: I have endless, endless pictures of young ones, little ones, infants,
Speaker 2: full grown I have, I mean, I am They are
Speaker 2: constantly around me out here. And one thing I was
Speaker 2: saying before, when I was talking to myself, I was
Speaker 2: asking you if you got many reports from southern California.
Speaker 2: It's not really in my opinion, hotspot, Like whenever I
Speaker 2: listen to podcast or watch anything, I never see anyone
Speaker 2: from this far down south on the West coast.
Speaker 1: So when you say southern California. What areas would you
Speaker 1: be looking into them?
Speaker 2: The eastern Mountains of southern California.
Speaker 1: Okay, like San Bernardino, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And San Bernardino Cleveland National Forest. I know there's more insane.
Speaker 2: There's there's quite a few reports in San Bernardino area
Speaker 2: and Big Bear and I and I've even gotten plenty
Speaker 2: of very very detailed photos of sasquatch in those areas.
Speaker 2: So I go there all the time. Oh okay, well
Speaker 2: I'm living It's even a couple hours south of there.
Speaker 2: I'm like twenty I am like twenty five minutes from
Speaker 2: the Tijuana border.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Okay, So going off of so, I
Speaker 1: have like a sighting map where and it's still in progress.
Speaker 1: It's still got to go through all the episodes. But
Speaker 1: there's over a thousand pins on there of people I've
Speaker 1: talked to you so far. It's big for Society podcast
Speaker 1: dot com. So a lot of my witnesses in that
Speaker 1: area are going to be from places like Lake Arrowhead, Crestline.
Speaker 1: Let's see what else we've got a little bit in
Speaker 1: like the Joshua Tree, Yucca Valley area, but nothing really,
Speaker 1: I think I have one pin I actually have one
Speaker 1: pin down in the Tijuana River Valley from ten thirty nine.
Speaker 1: But that's more of like animals removed from enclosures, large footprints,
Speaker 1: so like some type B type things, not so much
Speaker 1: like a type A visual. But yeah, that's the one
Speaker 1: pin I have documented down by Tijuana in your area.
Speaker 2: And that surprises me. Well not really, so I'll tell
Speaker 2: you why it surprises me and why it doesn't. Okay,
Speaker 2: So where I am here down here, I have and
Speaker 2: I've been all over. I have been all up and
Speaker 2: down the West coast from VC Vancouver area all the
Speaker 2: way down here. I've been all up and down the
Speaker 2: East coast in areas, and I have never ever seen
Speaker 2: a more concentrated area as I'm dealing with where I live.
Speaker 2: And I think why. It's because places like Oregon and
Speaker 2: Washington State it's just vast. I mean, the trees are endless.
Speaker 2: I've been out to Mountain Hood. I've been out. I mean,
Speaker 2: you can be driving for two hours in any direction
Speaker 2: and you're gonna see nothing but trees. I mean, it
Speaker 2: is just so spread out. They have so much room
Speaker 2: out there just to do whatever they want. Out Here,
Speaker 2: it's a little different. There's more canyon lands. It's more
Speaker 2: desert y. It's lots of really really big canyons, and
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna get like lots of like stage brush,
Speaker 2: and even like some of the forests out here, like
Speaker 2: you'll see like signs like you're in whatever national forest
Speaker 2: and you're looking around, You're like, where are all the trees?
Speaker 2: I don't say, like this is not a forest. This
Speaker 2: is like like bushes, you know. And so the places
Speaker 2: out here that do actually have forests and trees are
Speaker 2: loaded with families of sasquatch that are it's an active
Speaker 2: breeding area. Like I said, I have pictures of infants,
Speaker 2: pictures of little ones on their parents' shoulders hanging on,
Speaker 2: and pictures of little ones in trees like thirty forty
Speaker 2: feet up. But they have such crazy abilities to hide,
Speaker 2: and I have been uncovering all kinds of really cool
Speaker 2: stuff out here with that, and I feel like that
Speaker 2: is a big part of the reason why they have
Speaker 2: been able to avoid detection out here. They are, I mean,
Speaker 2: so there's a few things that like really like rang
Speaker 2: the alarm bell for me like that with their camouflaging abilities.
Speaker 2: I have a photo of I was going through my
Speaker 2: pictures and it's it's just like crazy, I have this
Speaker 2: photo and I feel like I've got I took as
Speaker 2: that shutter hit. I feel like I caught a sasquatch
Speaker 2: that was just going into I don't know. I hate
Speaker 2: using that word cloak, but there's no other word to
Speaker 2: describe it. Really. Yeah, And you can see his head,
Speaker 2: you can see the side of his face, and you
Speaker 2: can see his shoulder, and then literally it just starts
Speaker 2: disappearing as you go down and it's like all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, it turns like almost like opaque or see
Speaker 2: through translucent, and you could still see the hair texture,
Speaker 2: almost some of the muscular features, and then it just
Speaker 2: goes to nothing. It just disappears as you get toward
Speaker 2: the legs, and it's that just blew my mind. It's
Speaker 2: like the way they they're able to use the environment
Speaker 2: to hide out here is mind blowing to me, because
Speaker 2: even the trees out here, I mean, even our forests
Speaker 2: in southern California aren't like the thickest forest. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's they have they have to they have to
Speaker 2: be able to have insane abilities to hide out here,
Speaker 2: and I've seen it. The way they use like the
Speaker 2: way they can like bend light. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they're bending light or whatever, but the way they use
Speaker 2: light and shadows to hide is just mind blowing to me.
Speaker 2: I've got so many photos of them just doing the
Speaker 2: most incredible things, holding just like holding sticks up like
Speaker 2: in front of their features, or like using like their
Speaker 2: arms to like cover each other's faces. I'll see, I'll
Speaker 2: see some of these photos I have of them where
Speaker 2: they're completely like grouped up in like a ball, and
Speaker 2: you'll see like six of them just like in a
Speaker 2: shadow under a tree. One will be on its belly,
Speaker 2: one of them will be like you know, grasping that
Speaker 2: one's neck, and then another one will be like laid
Speaker 2: across that one, and they just hide, they like pile
Speaker 2: it up on each other. And then just like one
Speaker 2: will be holding like a stick with some branches in
Speaker 2: front of them. And it's just so cool watch like
Speaker 2: seeing how they hide from me. And I know that
Speaker 2: like sometimes I am so close to these things, like
Speaker 2: I mean within feet of them. It's just amazing out here.
Speaker 2: It's I've been finding so much cool stuff footprints over
Speaker 2: by there's like a little, uh like a little lake.
Speaker 2: I think it's like probably the most fresh water in
Speaker 2: that area. And I'll see like very deep impressions in
Speaker 2: like the uh, I don't know what kind of grass like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's sawgrass or some sort of
Speaker 2: like long grass. It could even be cattails or something,
Speaker 2: you know, like just the grass from the cattails. You'll
Speaker 2: see it just like really pushed in indented in. They're
Speaker 2: definitely coming around that to drink at night. I believe
Speaker 2: I kind of do like I have like a very
Speaker 2: Tom Cantrell kind of approach to doing what I do now.
Speaker 2: I used to go trekking deep in and like see
Speaker 2: how far I can get off trail and go hunting
Speaker 2: them down. I don't do that anymore. I literally I'll
Speaker 2: grab my my notebook, a bunch of color pencils, and
Speaker 2: I'll just bring a chair and I'll just go in,
Speaker 2: you know, set up where I think they are or
Speaker 2: where I've seen them in my pictures before. I'll just
Speaker 2: set up and I'll just chill. I'll have you know,
Speaker 2: my pad, I'll just be drawing, taking some pictures, you
Speaker 2: know whatever, just chilling, and that's when they start coming
Speaker 2: to it, like around me to check me out. I
Speaker 2: also have been doing quite a bit of gifting to
Speaker 2: them in this in in all these areas in southern California,
Speaker 2: and they've taken damn near everything I've left, and I've
Speaker 2: been trying to come up with all kinds of different
Speaker 2: things to leave them. We leave them shark teeth, we
Speaker 2: leave them crystals, geodes, toys, because I know there's a
Speaker 2: lot of young ones. I leave these like glow in
Speaker 2: the dark, like balls, light up things like you name it.
Speaker 2: Like my son gets like National Geographic magazine, so he
Speaker 2: always takes the little they all come with, like I
Speaker 2: don't know, like a half a dozen little like Matt
Speaker 2: Geo cards, and each card has like a different animal
Speaker 2: on it. My son left one that had a silverback
Speaker 2: gorilla and one that had a chimpanzee in a tree,
Speaker 2: and they took those two. And we're leaving them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're leaving them in places that no one goes to.
Speaker 2: I mean, I make sure that whenever I have an
Speaker 2: area that I'm doing any kind of gifting, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be pretty well hidden. In fact, even like some of
Speaker 2: the pictures that I'll bring, I'll even put them under
Speaker 2: under some pine some pine boughs, some leaves, whatever kind
Speaker 2: of foliage. I'll tuck it under. They know they're watching
Speaker 2: you all the time. They know what you're doing, they
Speaker 2: know what you're leaving. I believe they could probably even
Speaker 2: read our minds, if that doesn't sound too crazy. I
Speaker 2: know a few people have that theory, but I think
Speaker 2: they can. But yeah, they take everything they looked, they took.
Speaker 2: They I bought them this giant glass ball and it
Speaker 2: had planets on the inside. It was like this like
Speaker 2: really cool glass ball and when you like hold it
Speaker 2: up to the sun inside the glass ball, there's like
Speaker 2: you can see Saturn and you know, a few different planets.
Speaker 2: It was really cool looking. But I hid that and
Speaker 2: they took that. It's it's just fascinating. I've I've even
Speaker 2: so I'll find them in my pictures and I will
Speaker 2: actually draw them in my picture, like exactly the scene
Speaker 2: that was in my pick. I'll draw it and laminate
Speaker 2: it and then I leave it for them. I'll bury
Speaker 2: it under some pine boughs and they take it. It's
Speaker 2: pretty funny cool, it's pretty cool. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 2: anyone else is taking it, because I mean, I'm hiding
Speaker 2: it pretty well. And usually I'll leave like some bananas,
Speaker 2: they love bananas. I leave avocados. They love those apples
Speaker 2: of course, the classic favorite. Yeah, they take it all.
Speaker 2: I've left them watermelons full, watermelons, gone, completely gone, Like
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there for a couple of days and
Speaker 2: I'll go back and check. Never any scraps or anything.
Speaker 2: There's no That's that's the fascinating part. Like if it's
Speaker 2: any other animal, they're gonna eat whatever they eat right there,
Speaker 2: then they're gonna move on. That's not the case. It's gone.
Speaker 1: So this is this is all down down there in
Speaker 1: you know, south south California. Southwest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so where where I am. So there's a road
Speaker 2: that goes up the mountain and on the west side
Speaker 2: of the road is where I go. That's like my
Speaker 2: main area where I kind of have the most success
Speaker 2: interacting with them. That's on the west side of the road,
Speaker 2: and the east side that's gonna be the Pacific Crest Trail,
Speaker 2: the bottom the very damn near the very beginning of
Speaker 2: the Pacific Crest Trail. So if anyone's ever been on
Speaker 2: the whole Pacific Crest Trail, you know this area. It's
Speaker 2: it's it's amazing because they have a they have a
Speaker 2: highway basically to get them all the way up and
Speaker 2: down the west coast, and they're coming all the way
Speaker 2: down here. It's it's insane. I've even seen evidence of
Speaker 2: them in the winter coming down into the valleys of
Speaker 2: like on the Brago. Usually in the summer it gets
Speaker 2: a little too hot for them down there, I believe,
Speaker 2: and they come up the mountain. So spring summer and
Speaker 2: winter or spring summer, sorry, spring summer and fall, they're
Speaker 2: usually like all the way up on top of the mountain.
Speaker 2: There's lots of evidence. And then during winter when it
Speaker 2: snows up there, I feel like they start heading down
Speaker 2: the mountain to work. It's a little warmer, it gets
Speaker 2: pretty freaking cold up on that mountain. It's almost a
Speaker 2: bit I think it's about seven thousand feet elevation where
Speaker 2: I'm at. It gets up to about eight in some areas,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's around six seven hundred to seven thousand
Speaker 2: feet elevation on top of the mountain pretty much.
Speaker 1: That's perfect, man, that's like, yeah, that's excellent condition. That's
Speaker 1: the elevation that you're gonna have stuff happen. I mean,
Speaker 1: I learned that out in the Cascades where I was,
Speaker 1: they're not quite that high, but I mean I was
Speaker 1: like in five thousand and six thousand area. This is
Speaker 1: a wild, wild area. So these I wanted to also
Speaker 1: point out the photos that you've been talking about. Those
Speaker 1: are also on the Sasquatch Underscore animated, so you're putting
Speaker 1: them up there.
Speaker 2: Everything anything I find I post, and including stuff from Nick,
Speaker 2: stuff from Chris, stuff from some of my other friends
Speaker 2: around the world. Yeah, I'm constantly posting everything I find.
Speaker 2: And it's that's why I don't I try not to
Speaker 2: call myself like a researcher or something, you know, I
Speaker 2: just I just I'm interested in it. I know other
Speaker 2: people are. I don't care whether anyone thinks they're real
Speaker 2: or whatever. I don't care. I know they're real. I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to prove anything. I'm not on like a mission.
Speaker 2: All I'm doing is sharing my observations and that is it.
Speaker 2: And uh, yeah, I've got some insane stuff. If you
Speaker 2: really take the time to look through these pictures, you
Speaker 2: will see some incredible things on my page that no
Speaker 2: one else has. And not trying to brag or anything,
Speaker 2: but there is some stuff that I have that I
Speaker 2: don't think has ever been documented before that I have
Speaker 2: just about a month ago. It was actually, wow, it
Speaker 2: was a few months ago. It was like right before Thanksgiving. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm out there and I did like three days that
Speaker 2: week out there and the most I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's it's so funny because it was right before Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: right and I'm taking pictures, I'm taking videos. I'm out there,
Speaker 2: I'm drawing and hanging out and in one of my
Speaker 2: pictures is a sasquatch with a whole small turkey, wild
Speaker 2: turkey in its mouth and it's chewing it. You can
Speaker 2: see the legs coming out of the mouth, the feathers,
Speaker 2: the feet like those those big like those big turkey feet.
Speaker 2: It was it was munching on this this turkey like
Speaker 2: it was like a drumstick. I mean, it was just
Speaker 2: going ham on that thing. And then you could see
Speaker 2: his cheek. You could see everything so detailed, and I
Speaker 2: don't think that's ever been captured before, like one actually eating.
Speaker 2: I've got another one of one holding an infant with
Speaker 2: its one arm almost like they were to me, it
Speaker 2: looked like they were out there playing or whatever. And
Speaker 2: got wind of me coming, so they all kind of
Speaker 2: went into the the trees to hide, and I guess
Speaker 2: they like went and grabbed the infant with their one arm.
Speaker 2: It was cradled in their arm, the head in the hand,
Speaker 2: and they were pulling it into the bushes. And I
Speaker 2: got the picture of the hand, the big arm hanging
Speaker 2: out with the freaking infant just laying on his back,
Speaker 2: like just chilling. I mean, it's just like incredible, the
Speaker 2: like the some of the footage I get out here
Speaker 2: in this area. I've got another one of a small
Speaker 2: one on the shoulder of I think I think it's
Speaker 2: its father. It looks it looks like a male, and
Speaker 2: he's just chilling on the shoulder. He's so young, he
Speaker 2: doesn't even have all his hair yet. I mean, he
Speaker 2: looks like it. He looks almost like a It almost
Speaker 2: looks like a mix between like a gray alien and
Speaker 2: a sasquatch. It was kind of creepy looking. And I've
Speaker 2: gotten even to the point where I'm photographing multiple the
Speaker 2: same individual multiple times. I'm starting to recognize the same
Speaker 2: individuals from older pictures in my recent pictures. There's one
Speaker 2: I've even named a couple of them. There's one out there.
Speaker 2: I named him Charlie. And you're gonna laugh at why
Speaker 2: because this one, literally his face looks like Charles Manson.
Speaker 2: It's creepy. He's got he looks like Charles Manson like
Speaker 2: and he's he's constantly like creeping on me. I've got
Speaker 2: a few different picks. I've got one of him on
Speaker 2: his belly. He's belly crawling and he's got his hand
Speaker 2: up like almost like in like a monster movie or
Speaker 2: something like you'd see like a monster with his hand
Speaker 2: up like he's got about to grab you. Like I
Speaker 2: got this picture of who I named Charlie. He's on
Speaker 2: his belly and he's got his hand up like he's
Speaker 2: like about to He's not, he's just hiding. But you
Speaker 2: can see his fingers. You can see the details of
Speaker 2: his beard, I mean, and it's it's so cool. There's
Speaker 2: another one that's out there that I keep getting photos of,
Speaker 2: like he has he has a very unique shaped face.
Speaker 2: He's got like a very long face. I believe he's
Speaker 2: probably younger. He's probably like a teenager because he's only
Speaker 2: about I don't know, six six and a half feet tall,
Speaker 2: and he's got a very long face, like a longer
Speaker 2: nose and no hair on the face. And I've I've
Speaker 2: got multiple pictures of that guy. Yeah, I'm just starting
Speaker 2: to recognize him or even like a young one. So
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, I got this picture of
Speaker 2: a little one on its on its I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's its parent, but probably one of its parents
Speaker 2: shoulders or hanging on its arm or something. Years later later,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at this picture I got of this one
Speaker 2: that was literally just walking in broad daylight from one
Speaker 2: bush to another bush. I caught him, and it's it's
Speaker 2: the same photo. It's it's it's the same face as
Speaker 2: the one that I got a couple of years earlier
Speaker 2: of hanging on his uh on his parents shoulder. And
Speaker 2: now he's like six feet tall and walking through the
Speaker 2: bushes like and I recognize the face, like he has
Speaker 2: this little round, boldest nose. It was just so cool,
Speaker 2: Like I'm starting to really like recognize these guys, and
Speaker 2: like they're coming around me. They know when I come,
Speaker 2: I always wear the same thing. I do this, you know,
Speaker 2: I I talk to them the whole time I'm out there.
Speaker 2: As soon as I get out there, I start talking
Speaker 2: to them. I know it sounds crazy, but I do.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they understand me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if they understand me,
Speaker 2: but some somehow I think they can. And I just
Speaker 2: talk to them like they're people. I thank them for
Speaker 2: letting me come to their home. I tell them how
Speaker 2: beautiful it is there, and I respect their home. If
Speaker 2: I see garbage anywhere, I pick it up and put
Speaker 2: it in a bag and I take it with me
Speaker 2: and throw it out like they know I have. I
Speaker 2: have respect for them and where they live. And I'm
Speaker 2: not I even tell them. I'm like, yeah, I get
Speaker 2: pictures of you guys, but you know, I'm not out
Speaker 2: here to I'm just out here to hang out. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm just out here to hang out with you. And
Speaker 2: if you guys want to talk to me or come
Speaker 2: near me, or you know, show yourselves to me, I'm open.
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid of you, right, I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, you do zero harm. I haven't
Speaker 2: eaten meat in thirteen years or dairy. I'm also vegan.
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, I tell them this, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't eat animals. I don't you know. I do my
Speaker 2: own beach cleans too, like I have. You know, I
Speaker 2: used to do them like once a month that I
Speaker 2: live right on the beach. I do. I like host
Speaker 2: beach cleans with my friends and get like ten guys
Speaker 2: out there and gals and we like have buckets and
Speaker 2: we clean hundreds and hundreds of pounds of trash off
Speaker 2: the beach. I tell them about this stuff. I just
Speaker 2: talked to them, and I feel like it's kind of
Speaker 2: helping me because I've gotten a couple good views of them,
Speaker 2: face to face views of them since I started doing that,
Speaker 2: and it's and it's absolutely incredible. There was one about
Speaker 2: probably a year ago or so. I was walking and
Speaker 2: I saw something in my peripheral on the side, on
Speaker 2: the right side, and it was probably about fifty yards
Speaker 2: up this the it kind of goes up pretty steep
Speaker 2: and it's just all trees and giant boulders, and I
Speaker 2: kind of saw something follow me and I look and
Speaker 2: I see this guy. He's like probably only five and
Speaker 2: a half feet tall. He knew he got caught, he
Speaker 2: knew I caught him, and he it was so funny.
Speaker 2: He literally saw me and then he goes he looks
Speaker 2: and he sees this rock, this big giant boulder that
Speaker 2: had shadows on it from the trees, and he literally
Speaker 2: just went up to it and laid on his belly
Speaker 2: over the rock in the shadow and just stayed there
Speaker 2: and stopped. And I was watching the whole thing, and
Speaker 2: I was laughing. I even said, I see you. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm like talking to this dude, like, I see you.
Speaker 2: You don't have to hide from me. I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: hurt you. And you just stayed there. And I just
Speaker 2: saw his butt and his in the back of his
Speaker 2: legs just bent over this, uh, this rock. I've got
Speaker 2: pictures of that too. You can see his fur or
Speaker 2: enough fur hair. You can see his like you can
Speaker 2: see the hair texture. You can see how his like
Speaker 2: shoulders up and his arms up from him like bent
Speaker 2: over this rock. And he was just he thought he
Speaker 2: was so clever. He was just he knew he was
Speaker 2: like he's like, I just got caught exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, there, Filthy. There is one thing that
Speaker 1: you said earlier that I really wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: you about and get your thoughts on. Yeah, because it's
Speaker 1: something that I've experienced as well. I also what I'm
Speaker 1: doing right now is very similar to what you're doing.
Speaker 1: And I think it's kind of based on on what
Speaker 1: I learned from Tom Cantreill as well. But what I
Speaker 1: have found is, so let's say I'm in an area,
Speaker 1: it's an active area, and I'm in just sitting in
Speaker 1: a chair, hanging out. The activity really doesn't start until
Speaker 1: let's say I have some some kind of thing with me,
Speaker 1: either a book or a phone, or or as you said,
Speaker 1: you're drawing. And once I start messing around with that,
Speaker 1: and my attention goes to that, like you're drying, or
Speaker 1: you're on your phone, or you're playing like a game
Speaker 1: boy or something, or reading a book, that's when the activity.
Speaker 1: Have you noticed that or maybe that's just something that's
Speaker 1: happened to me in Iowa?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's I think you when you do that,
Speaker 2: you like totally let your guard down, right, You're not
Speaker 2: you're just like totally chilling. You're focused. They see that
Speaker 2: you're focused on something, so I feel like they kind
Speaker 2: of take that take advantage of that. They're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: he's looking at that thing, whatever that is. Now we
Speaker 2: can sneak up on him, you know, let's see what
Speaker 2: he's doing, you know.
Speaker 1: Good point.
Speaker 2: I feel like once we take our focus off what's
Speaker 2: around us and we're kind of just chill and we're
Speaker 2: drawing or we're reading or whatever, that's when they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: let's go in. We have we have we have you know,
Speaker 2: we can sneak up behind him and he won't even know, you.
Speaker 1: Know, oh absolutely. I think. I think what I'll try
Speaker 1: next time is even instead of having my phone with me,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll have some non electronics thing like you're doing
Speaker 1: and see if maybe that even you.
Speaker 2: Know, yep, the phone off and just put it in
Speaker 2: my bag. Yeah, that's what I do. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't get reception up there anyway, so my phone is
Speaker 2: useless besides the camera. Yeah, I just turned the phone
Speaker 2: off and just you know, throw it at my bag. Just chill.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I don't think they're out there
Speaker 2: to hurt anyone. I think they're just very curious and
Speaker 2: possibly even looking for people that they can you know,
Speaker 2: trust to. I don't know if they I'm hoping one
Speaker 2: day I'm able to you know, actually have some cool
Speaker 2: interactions like back and forth interactions with them. You never know,
Speaker 2: not all of us are as lucky as you know,
Speaker 2: how Tom Cantrell was with ake Nisha or whatever, his
Speaker 2: teacher who he was able to talk with constantly and
Speaker 2: all that that says so amazing to me. It's it's
Speaker 2: just mind. It's the relationship they had. Yeah, I even
Speaker 2: say his name too when I'm out there. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I've even asked them, like, do you guys know Akenesia?
Speaker 2: You know, like I don't know if they all know
Speaker 2: each other, Like I talk to them, you know, it's
Speaker 2: all I do. And I think it's just super non threatening.
Speaker 2: I don't have guns on me, I don't have crossbows
Speaker 2: or you know, compound bows on me. I'm not a hunter.
Speaker 2: I'm not threatening. I'm not fishing. I'm not taking away
Speaker 2: from their land. I feel like that's where you can
Speaker 2: get into some trouble, you know, when you're coming into
Speaker 2: to fish, when they're like trying to trying to eat.
Speaker 2: You know, they're like, you know, we can't come out now. Now,
Speaker 2: we can't eat because you have to sit there and
Speaker 2: fish all day, and you're gonna fish, and you're gonna
Speaker 2: steal all the fish out of here that we could
Speaker 2: be eating. You know. It's it's rude if you think
Speaker 2: about it. To us, it's not because we're just going
Speaker 2: into the woods and fishing, But to them, we're coming
Speaker 2: into their home and taking food out of their refrigerator.
Speaker 2: You know, it's pretty freaking rude. Yeah, I would be
Speaker 2: pissed too. And you know, like hunters too, like they
Speaker 2: get they get there. They usually get the nuts on
Speaker 2: nice ends. You know, when when one of these guys
Speaker 2: comes walking through and see the guy in the tree
Speaker 2: with a gun, it's hard not to react to that.
Speaker 2: If I saw some guy and like living them with
Speaker 2: a gun, I would lose my I would lose it.
Speaker 2: So it's the same thing. You just got to really
Speaker 2: think about respecting their home. That's all you have to do.
Speaker 2: Just respect their home. Talk to them and they'll tell you.
Speaker 2: They really will tell you when it's not cool. In fact,
Speaker 2: it was no more than a few months ago, probably
Speaker 2: like four or five months ago. I was having a
Speaker 2: rough day. Me and my wife had an argument. I
Speaker 2: was not in a great place mentally, and the only
Speaker 2: place that makes me feel calm, well, one of the
Speaker 2: best places for me to feel calm is up there.
Speaker 2: So I took a drive up there, and I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: I was there for like ten minutes. I got ten
Speaker 2: minutes in on this hike into the woods, and they
Speaker 2: did not want me there. They told me to leave,
Speaker 2: and I felt it so hard. I was like, I
Speaker 2: gotta go. They do not want me here. I first,
Speaker 2: I came with nothing. I didn't bring anything for them.
Speaker 2: I usually bring stuff for them, like a whole bag
Speaker 2: I bring. I don't know if you know those big
Speaker 2: Trader Joe's, like those like cooler bags that they have,
Speaker 2: but I packed those things full. I packed them full
Speaker 2: usually and just drop stuff all over, you know, Like
Speaker 2: I have a few different spots where I go and
Speaker 2: just drop, you know, I'll drop like apples at want spot,
Speaker 2: pairs at another spot, some bananas way up in a
Speaker 2: tree in another spot. You know. This day I came
Speaker 2: with nothing. I came with a really negative mindset. I
Speaker 2: was just a ball of negative energy pretty much that day.
Speaker 2: It was just like and they did not like it.
Speaker 2: And they knew that. I'm telling you. I got stopped
Speaker 2: in my tracks, like I got stuck. I couldn't walk.
Speaker 2: It's like I hit a wall. And it was like,
Speaker 2: go turn around and leave, Just go, we don't want
Speaker 2: you here. Just walk the boat and I left. I drove,
Speaker 2: I drove almost an hour, stayed for ten minutes, and
Speaker 2: just left. I just drove back home. I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I get it. I'm sorry, and I apologized
Speaker 2: and I left. Yeah, And I've gotten stopped a couple
Speaker 2: times there. There was another time I was checking out
Speaker 2: this area that I was always kind of afraid to
Speaker 2: check out for some reason. I just got weird vibes
Speaker 2: around there. And one day I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm going to go in and check that out. And
Speaker 2: I'm like trekking into there, feeling really really uneasy. And
Speaker 2: again I got probably like fifty yards into this area
Speaker 2: and I got stopped again, and I just got this
Speaker 2: feeling of like just leave now, go back home. Turn around,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, why am I getting that? Like what
Speaker 2: is going on? I'm looking around and then I hear
Speaker 2: something behind me and I look behind me. No wind
Speaker 2: that day, right, there's no wind. The trees movement moving,
Speaker 2: and I see this little pine sapling shaking like something
Speaker 2: just walked right over it. And the thing was shaking
Speaker 2: back and forth like left to right, and it was
Speaker 2: the only thing moving in my vision. So something had
Speaker 2: just run right past there, and I was like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm out. I left. I just had to.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, no, no, no, I think I'm
Speaker 2: getting too close to something. Which is why I like
Speaker 2: this new approach. I have a lot better because I'm
Speaker 2: not going to risk going into areas where they don't
Speaker 2: want me. And I just don't want I don't want that,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't. I don't want to upset them.
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to piss them off.
Speaker 2: I want to have a good standing with them. So
Speaker 2: this way they come to me, I'm not doing anything.
Speaker 2: They're coming to me at this point, you know. So
Speaker 2: I just kind of changed it in that that little
Speaker 2: tweak just did a lot of good for my observations.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not gonna be trekking in anymore like
Speaker 2: I used to. It's just a lot I'm I'm over that. Uh,
Speaker 2: I'm over it. I'm just gonna go and find a
Speaker 2: good spot and chill. I feel like it's the best approach.
Speaker 2: They all know when you're there, they know you're coming,
Speaker 2: they know when you're there. They all they have eyes
Speaker 2: on you. I mean, anytime you're gonna be out in
Speaker 2: the wilderness area. I feel like you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 2: have some eyes on you from these guys. I agree.
Speaker 1: Uh, man, there's if if you there are a lot
Speaker 1: of really good things listeners can take away from what
Speaker 1: you're doing. And then if they combine that with listening
Speaker 1: to a Tom Cantrell interview, I mean, they're going to
Speaker 1: be in a good place to try something a lot
Speaker 1: different than as you were saying, you know, trekking into
Speaker 1: the woods and being invasive like that. You know, really
Speaker 1: it's it's what I do. Just kind of chill out
Speaker 1: and uh and see what happens. And man, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's such a cool thing when you start looking at
Speaker 1: it from from that viewpoint. But filthy, man, you are
Speaker 1: doing some really cool stuff out there, and we don't
Speaker 1: hear a lot about southern California, so it's it's good
Speaker 1: to hear that you're doing stuff down there. But man,
Speaker 1: thank you for for hanging out and for for sharing
Speaker 1: what your experiences have been. And I'm sure there's way
Speaker 1: more going on as well.
Speaker 2: I can go on and on and on. I mean,
Speaker 2: there is so much things that we've uncovered real quick.
Speaker 2: If you, if you'll let me there's another thing I
Speaker 2: really wanted to share with you that I that I
Speaker 2: thought was super super fascinating. One of my other friends
Speaker 2: who I've met through Sasquatch Reanimated is a researcher from
Speaker 2: out on the east, the north east in Vermont, and
Speaker 2: we uncovered something super cool. So she was she was
Speaker 2: finding loads and loads of tree structures where she was
Speaker 2: and glyphs on the ground. And one day she sends
Speaker 2: me this picture of this crazy glyph of sticks and rocks,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at it and I'm just like, ah,
Speaker 2: what is it? It's what's it mean? And We're going
Speaker 2: back and forth and I'm like, you know, what, do
Speaker 2: you know exactly where you took that that picture of
Speaker 2: that glyph? And she's like, yeah, yeah, exactly all right.
Speaker 2: So I had her Google maps and image of that
Speaker 2: area from above, and what that glyph was was a
Speaker 2: primitive map of the area. The glyph showed the two
Speaker 2: roads that came in and met like a V almost
Speaker 2: and veered off, and in the middle of that v
Speaker 2: there was two clear cut areas. There was a small
Speaker 2: clear cut area and a large clear cut area. There
Speaker 2: was a small rock and a large rock in the
Speaker 2: same exact area as those clearcuts in the middle of
Speaker 2: the V of sticks on the ground, and there was
Speaker 2: also at the bottom of the V there was another
Speaker 2: road that came and met up with the one on
Speaker 2: the right side, and there was a stick right there too.
Speaker 2: It was literally an exact image of the map of
Speaker 2: the roads up from the Google Earth. So we uncovered
Speaker 2: something so cool. It's something you know, it's not I
Speaker 2: think it's just a piece of a small, small piece
Speaker 2: of the puzzle. But some of these glyphs are literally
Speaker 2: primitive maps. It's unreal. It's so cool how intelligent something
Speaker 2: is to literally make that as a as a marker, like, okay,
Speaker 2: that's there. Okay, now we know that that clear cut
Speaker 2: area there, there's another one there. Maybe at night we
Speaker 2: can come in and, you know, do some hunting. You know,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be like deer grazing in there. You know.
Speaker 2: It's just so cool that they're communicating with each other
Speaker 2: and in a way that is so foreign to us.
Speaker 1: It's so cool, and I think that's a cool thing
Speaker 1: for listeners to try too. Maybe if you find a
Speaker 1: glyph like that, combine it with a Google Map screenshot
Speaker 1: and see if there's maybe a pattern that you guys
Speaker 1: found there and maybe that can be found in different areas.
Speaker 1: That'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, please, I hope everyone tries it out because
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are finding these and
Speaker 2: wondering what they mean.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so, well, filthy, it has been awesome to have
Speaker 1: you on the show. I want to well, I'll ask you, so,
Speaker 1: what would be the best way for people to keep
Speaker 1: up to date with what you're doing And if someone
Speaker 1: wanted to reach out and share with you something as
Speaker 1: you said other people around the world have done with
Speaker 1: you in the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just shoot me a DM. I'm always I'm always
Speaker 2: open to anything. Shoot me a d M. Tell me
Speaker 2: your encounter. I will draw it for you as best
Speaker 2: I can, and I will send you the original art
Speaker 2: so you can have it. You don't have to pay
Speaker 2: me anything. I'll cover any expenses of shipping. I don't
Speaker 2: really care. I'm just I just it's my little way
Speaker 2: of giving back to a community that is been nothing
Speaker 2: but you know, accepting and amazing to me. It's just
Speaker 2: my little way of giving back. Shoot me a d M,
Speaker 2: tell me your encounter, talk to me about whatever. If
Speaker 2: you're taking pictures, send me pictures. I'd love to. I
Speaker 2: love to go back and forth with people. If you're
Speaker 2: doing any research anywhere, it's always good to have peop,
Speaker 2: but to you know, talk back and forth with about
Speaker 2: you know, about findings or observation. So yeah, oh I'm
Speaker 2: an open book. Just hit me up.
Speaker 1: Awesome, So definitely over on instagram Sasquatch Underscore reanimated. It'll
Speaker 1: be in the show notes for or the description for
Speaker 1: this episode. But man, Filthy, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: hanging out with me. It has been a great conversation
Speaker 1: and we will definitely keep in touch with you to
Speaker 1: see what happens to you in the future.
Speaker 2: Man for sure. Thanks Jeremiah.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard all the accounts of bigfoot activity
Speaker 1: around Oakridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, Man, I
Speaker 1: would love to get out in those woods and experience
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Speaker 1: It is an incredible time. You're not going to want
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Speaker 1: wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to
Speaker 1: a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military,
Speaker 1: any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that
Speaker 1: no one can explain, or if you're a National park
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Speaker 2: See you in the woods.
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