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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sikos, I am Dan Favalley coming

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at you for a third consecutive episode with more gentsen

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of the NBA podcast of Yahoo's Sports of Sports Illustrated.

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What else did I forget of? Legend?

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Speaker 2: I don't think you've forgotten anything. Look, it's too many things.

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It's too many things. It's fine. You can just say

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one thing that is completely acceptable. So thank you as

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always for the very very kind introduction. Dan and I

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love how we pivot always from our off the camera,

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off the microphone chat and going straight into analysis. Because

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if people knew for how long you and I would

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chat before we started recording, and what we would chat about,

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they'd be like, that's a podcast in enough itself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look it's behind the NBA podcast the only fans paywall.

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Go check that out link link bio. We could use

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another word in bio two. So we're here to do.

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We did our Eastern Conference teams that we think are

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worth monitoring the most closely. As NBA trade season kicks

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off December fifteenth, when a bunch of dudes who signed

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contracts could be traded. Guess what happens after the Eastern

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Conference One go check out that podcast if you haven't already.

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It's on both the NBA podcast Feed and Hardwood Knocks.

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We talk about the Western Conference, so we're gonna follow

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the same format. We're looking for teams that we think

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are going to define the deadline, or that we have

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the most questions about, or we think that need to

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make moves, whether they're buyers or sellers. Will alternate picks.

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I don't know whom more it's gonna pick. He doesn't

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know who I'm gonna pick. It's gonna be super fun.

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Do you have any additional thoughts before we get off

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and rolling here?

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Speaker 2: No, No, let's get let's get the show on the road,

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because you and I we can go long on every

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what what would we agree on last time that we

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that each episode would take forty five minutes and then

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we bring exact we were going to.

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Speaker 1: Do this entire exercise east and west in about ninety minutes,

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and we did about ninety minutes on just.

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Speaker 3: The east, right exactly, So let's not.

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Speaker 1: Let's only do three minutes on the west to really

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make those specific mountain time zone people feel like shit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, there we go. So no, no, let's not

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waste any time. Let's get right into it.

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Speaker 1: I did the intro, which means that Moret is the

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guest and so more gets to go first again. More

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Which Western Conference team should we be watching ahead of

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NBA and into NBA trade season?

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Speaker 2: I would like to start with the San Antonio Spurs

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because I think they are so interesting, not just because

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they have Wempy. Well, that's part of it. Let's yeah,

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who is that? I think he's French? I haven't I do.

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I think he's French. Maybe he could be from a

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different planet. I'm not like I still, to this day,

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Dan think that the matrix might be real.

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Speaker 3: And sometimes it's testing us.

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Speaker 2: Wemby is sort of like one of those elements where

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it's sort of like just feeling it out, like, are

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you guys paying attention? Are you seeing what's happening right now?

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why this team is interesting because he is they need

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to trade him, you think, yes, preferably preferably for for

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a second rounder and like cash considerations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that.

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Speaker 2: That'd be a good Bulls hashtag pulls right by the way,

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fun story, the Bulls decided they're not gonna tank that year.

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Then they kind of tank that like last year when

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the when the draft was very shitty, and then apparently

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they're not gonna not gonna tank again this year when

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it's Cooper Flak and Ace Bailey and Dylan Harber and stuff.

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It's very funny.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean control them, but they got Josh Giddy

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their set, so they don't.

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Speaker 3: Worry about that. Julian Phillips, come on down.

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Speaker 1: They're Gucci, as I think the kids say, or maybe

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they're adults now, they're Gucci.

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Speaker 2: They're Gucci. See I don't I don't get that reference

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outside of like the the actual back, the Gucci back.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what it's implying, is that they're on

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the level of Gucci because they're just so well off

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Speaker 2: Well the furst r in real if we go back

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to reality, the Spurs are because they have their superstar,

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they have their guy who's going to lead them into

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to everything, and Dan they might also have the best

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rookie of this draft class. And Stefan Castle. I mean,

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this guy is extraordinarily good, and I think people tend

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to overlook him because of the lack of the scoring efficiency.

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and he's fantastic. So they have so many chips that

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they can move forward with. They have tradable contracts like

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Kelton Johnson for example, if they determine he's not a

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part of the future, he's only earning nineteen million this year.

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and again seventeen and a half million the year after,

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which is like ten percent of the salary cap, so

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he's movable. They only have Harrison Barnes and Zach Collins

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who can make an argument are their quote unquote worst

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contracts for through next season, so they're tradable. Chris Paul

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he retires. If he returns for a cheaper salary, that's

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also good. Everything for their sake is pretty well aligned.

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so they can go in and make moves, like if

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they decide Calton Johnson should go somewhere and they can

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get another piece in, they can do that. They have

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a lot of draft equity if they want who they

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own Atlantis unprotected first round for this year. They have

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their own. They might have Chicago's as well, just to

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bury the Bulls fully. So they just have so much

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flexibility that the world's their oyster. They can do whatever.

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and they can be proactive and do something that they'd

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win too. It's very hard to see this team coming

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out as losers in any way, shape or form. Right now.

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Speaker 1: Here's my thing? Would I mean, I just never find

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this burs interesting around the trade deadline. They're not these

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teams that typically make many moves, and I do feel

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like they've telegraphed, especially what they did over the offseason,

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where they move the pick that becomes Rob Dilleham for

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distant first round considerations to swap and the outright pick

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as to say like, no, we're still slow rolling this,

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but we're not punting on now because we know Wemby's

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too good. We're gonna bring in Chris paul I. They

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are fascinating though, because there has to be at least

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some impetus to be no, we don't need to go

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make if like we don't need to go get Brandon

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Ingram or Jimmy Butler or one of those names, but

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let's add some shooting or like someone who's a little

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bit more dynamic on the ball as a floor space

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or two or just another Do we think that there's

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a better front court partner for Wemby out there or

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even right now? Like the offense has been twelve in

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points per possession the past like month over the month,

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past month, I believe they might decide, like, maybe we

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want to ski even a little bit more with defense.

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and now you know we have Sohan, but they don't

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he's been on the trade block since he signed his

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extension a couple of years ago. I do think they

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have some stuff Jeremy Sohan. It's very clear what he

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can be on defense, and then it's very clear how

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he's best used on offense. I am curious about his

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long term fit. All of which is to say I

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would be a little bit surprised if a Keldon Johnson

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or Jeremy Sohan, or really anything even Harrison Barnes. I'd

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be surprised if any of those moves happened in season.

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you only give up a little bit of equity, what

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can you do? We already talked about, like could you

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get the Raptors to give you Bruce Brown? So we

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don't need to go back into that, But that seems

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like it might be their not their best course, because

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their best course is Wendy's so good now, Wenby's so good. Now,

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we have enough assets to create our own trade market.

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like they are what they should do given their direction.

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What they actually want to do long term is but's

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in fiddle here, like don't let the trade deadline go

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by and do nothing and be content with contending for

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playing consideration. And so that's why they're interesting to me,

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because I think Wemby's good enough not to make them

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entirely buck their trend of they're more conservative approach. But

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I do think he's good enough, and they've been good

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enough that you even Devin Vesel since coming back and

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the starting five that they have, I think Devin Vessel

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should start. But you look at the results of their

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starting five right now, and they're winning the minutes by

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last time I checked, so I would like to see

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them they have a net rating of eighteen point one.

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I was wrong. So they suck clearly, there's like the

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bones at the top of their rosters, specifically, like there

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are intuitive fits, there's some upside. I just want to

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just gonna repitch my own trade and

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I did this a couple episodes ago. Again with the Bulls.

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We still have to like finacle the parimeters there. But

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if you could go out and get Kobe White or

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Iodosumu or even both for example, that's what I pitched

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over at Forbes. I sent both of them for Malachi

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from Atlanta plus the Bull's Owe pickback. You said that's

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not enough for Chicago. Well, I agree with you. It's

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at least worth a shot, because if you see how

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the Bulls negotiate, it might be it might be enough.

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Speaker 3: That's fine, it's it's well deserved.

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Speaker 2: But like, that's a call that I would like to

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make because there are several components of this, And there's

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the reason why I keep sinkling out Kobe White for

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the Spur, specifically one him and Chris Paul. They have

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this very deep rooted relationship. They know each other very

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very well. So if he can come in and and

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actually have like the mentorship of Chris Paul for at

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least a half a season maybe another season going on,

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I don't think he's going to be long for their showster.

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Speaker 3: You'd need guards who can shoot next to wenby yea.

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Speaker 1: If he could shoot like Tius Jones maybe and be

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having a different.

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Speaker 2: Goals right exactly. Tias was a guy who I also

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thought would be interesting for them, but they then they

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went out and got Chris, which, okay, you know, you

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get that that was that was the perfect move for them.

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fits the Strawster. So perfectly because he can play on ball,

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he can play off ball. He's become a better defender,

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throw line, he can playmake there is this element of

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grabbing go that he has that I don't think a

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lot of their guards have as currently speaking. And you

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can really set up a really nice spacing element around

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Wemby if Kobe White and Devin Missel are on the

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floor together alongside Wemby. So and and you and I

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talked over the last part that the Bull should be

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open to trading Kobe White because of the one hundred

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and forty percent extension limit. He's gonna eventually see himself

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an unrestricted free agency because he's impossible to extend. So

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I think I agree with you that the Spurs aren't

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in a rush. They're not inclined to make a deadline

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deal because they rarely do. If they were so inclined

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this year, I think that's the name. I think it's

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Kobe White.

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gonna or I guess the flexibility of having Covie that's

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being one of the best backcourts in the league in

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a couple of years. Like, look, they're both big. Castle

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is six to six, Kobe is like six ' five.

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Obviously Castle is like his his defensive upside is way bigger.

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But then you have the off ball capabilities of Kobe White,

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the scoring neck for him, You're also just gonna meet

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a guy who can get into the paint consistently and

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just score to open things up for Wimby. Like I

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love Devin Vessel, but he's not necessarily that player. Kobe

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White is a little a little bit more inclined to drive.

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I feel like, so that's that's a weapon. I would

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love to see them go get and I think they

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can get him.

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Speaker 1: I think they. I mean they, Like I said at

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the top, I think they have the assets to where

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they could pretty much create their own trade market if

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they wanted to. They're just even Kobe White seems like

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a name that would be a little too high end

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for the Spurs to go after mid season, but I

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think he's a fantastic fit. I probably still I think,

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what do you view as their bigger need? Do you

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want them to get that type of player or would

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it be we kind of want to upgrade from the

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Jeremy Sohan, Keldon Johnson, Julian Champennie, Harrison Barnes like primary

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front court partner for Wemby.

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Speaker 2: Lot Dan, you and I like each other, so we're

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not gonna be We're not gonna be fighting right now.

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I don't want to hear any upgrade from Julian champennee

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slander right here. I won't hear about it. He's really

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good man.

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Speaker 1: You don want to talk me into Champagney. I love Champenny.

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I'm just saying, so you view the bigger needs like, well,

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let's get that kind of like more dynamic.

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Speaker 2: You need a card So because it's a ripple effect,

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it's a ripple effract, you need to have guys move

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the ball. Like So there was this idea that Wemby

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could just consistently create his own shot off the dripple

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in getting inside of the paint, and there's he can

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to some extent, but he's so tall, Dan, Like he's

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so tall that guy guards posting defenders are they just know,

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like there's so much ground to go in and go

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for the steal because the ball has to travel from

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his hands down to the floor and that's a pretty

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far distance. Like he'll get better, of course, but he

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will need someone who can actually penetrate the defense. And

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if he runs as a trailer or he pops as

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the free point shooter, I think that opens it up

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a little bit more. They need someone who can just

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kind of create some attention for themselves and thus alleviating

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some attention from Wemby, and that is a Kobe White

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esque player. And given Kobe's contract is brilliant, that's why

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I singled him.

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Speaker 1: Out, I think that's a good point to move on.

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I'm going to go with the Sacramento Kings here.

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Speaker 2: Love.

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Speaker 1: I want to know one if they're gonna do anything,

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because they've kind of They did make waves over the

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off season. They got to Martin Rose and we saw

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that happen, but they've kind of punted on making any

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meaningful mid season additions. And I think this is weird.

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It's very rare that I am higher on a team

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than their fan base, and it seems like I might

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be higher on the Kings than their fan base at

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this point because there are very there are issues there,

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but I just feel like they're on the cusp of something.

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They've had some I don't want to call it. They've

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just not played well in net during crunch time. They

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have more losses in the clutch than any team outside

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Charlotte right now. You've also had we've seen it normalize

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a little bit, Kevin Herder in his new role, shooting better.

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Keyan Murray shot a little bit better lately, I believe,

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But like those cold stretches from them, you were missing

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Demart de Rozen, you were missing Malik Monk. I would

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argue the fact that, and I know that there have

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been some extremes on both ends of the spectrum, that

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they have a league average defense relative to the personnel

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that they have. They're still in like a fairly good position.

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And I think if you can go out and if

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you want to try and consolidate, what could we get

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someone who might be more of a consistent shot maker

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and than a Kevin Herder who's been riding highs and

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lows for a long time. We want to go out

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and get a Larry Nance junior or Dorian Finney Smith

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just to maybe boost our front line optionality alongside Domasa

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Bonis or even behind him if you wanted to play

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Larry Nance at the five. They definitely look their defense.

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A lot of it is prided on getting set. They

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they're doing an excellent job of getting back after they're

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missing kind of threes or jumpers, but like when they

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get into kind of the if they're getting looks at

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the rim or they're getting into that short mid range area,

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those guys they need to do a better job of

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getting back on defense. Like they've gotten burned on at

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least a lot of the possessions that I've seen from there.

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And you can quibble again about their shot profile, which

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is I really think think it wouldn't be as it's

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not cataclysmic, it wouldn't be as stark if you didn't

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have those starts that you did from Keegan Murray and

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Kevin Herder. But if you get someone who's gonna help you,

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maybe even out that shot profile. But we talked about

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this team when it came to most confusing, that might

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be more of a matter of lineup staggering at this point,

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so I think they have a couple needs. I wouldn't

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say no to them just getting kind of another wing

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defender since Kean Ellis doesn't seem to be guaranteed necessarily

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any set minutes. They definitely need though, And part of this,

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I know is a function of how they're gonna try

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and limit looks at the rim. And I think that

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this might be solvable with the personnel they have, although

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with some of the lineup is probably not like someone

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who could get out and contest other teams jump shots

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would be really huge for them. And I know that

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like if you're a Keegan Murray for example, like you're

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also trying to concern yourself with helping and you know,

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uh walling off those excuse me as I choke here

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those pathways to the basket. So they're in a tricky situation,

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but I think they need to just get someone. There's

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probably like two or three archetypes that would fit that

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just make the jobs or the makeup of their team

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makes so much more sense. And it's gettable with the

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assets they have, like they have future first that they

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can trade. If you look at Kevin Herder's money, that

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you're willing to move like they have the ability to

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salary match, and I think they could go up and

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down the spectrum of do we get a rental someone onexpiring,

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do we get someone that we view as more of

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a long term piece. I am just curious though, if

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they'll make any significant acquisitions when they're may be still

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trying to figure out, well, what is our big picture

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arc for this DeMar Derozen Malik Monk, the Aaron Fox

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Domonte Bonis quartet.

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Speaker 2: The fact that there are almost six million under the

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first aprint is such a huge win for him. It

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might be their biggest asset. The fact that they can

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aggregate contracts and they can do this, So I want

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to know what they can get if they package Kevin

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Hurd or Trey Lyles in a first. I want to

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know what that what that gets you. I'm not really sure.

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Speaker 1: That their first this year is going to Atlanta unless

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it falls in the top ten, right, so that would

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be a twenty six first. That's a twenty seven first,

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That's I mean, that's attractive. I wonder what front office

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would be thinking in those long term like ames like

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maybe a Brooklyn But are you know I wouldn't want

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to give up a twenty seven first for I. Honestly,

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if I'm the Kings, I know Cam Johnson has been

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mentioned a lot. I don't mind him there. I think

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I want someone who's better on defense than him, or

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at least a better rebounder in general than him. But

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in a nutshell, you would give up that package for him,

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I think. But I just don't think that he's the answer.

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And that's also why the Kings are confusing, is I

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almost prefer them to make a like a like hit

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a double rather than go for the triple or the

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home run that like in That would be a Larry

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Nance Junior. That would be a Dori Infinny Smith. We're

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just going to recycle the same names here. So but

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that's what makes it tough, is that I don't know

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if they're not If you're not getting some who profiles

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as part of your closing lineup, it very much complicates

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with what type of impact are they gonna end up

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having on this overall product.

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Speaker 2: Right, it doesn't have to be one player either, Like

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it doesn't have to be a two for one. You

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could just find a guy who you like and then

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take on a secondary guy like with a mint deal

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for example, so it's a two for two deal. I

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feel as though they have options here though, it's just

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what kind of arget type should we look for it.

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I actually think that camp Johnson idea is interesting. Even

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though he's not the best defender and the best rebounder.

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He comes in and gives you the off ball stuff

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that you so so sorryly need right now.

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Speaker 1: You definitely help. I think Kegan Murray's role specifically, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I think I think he moves the needle more,

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okay a little bit more than maybe you do. I'm

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not sure, but like I I like him. I think

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I think camp Johnson's offense unlocks a lot of things.

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And you know me, I lean more offense than night

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lean defense. I don't, I don't, I don't. I love defense,

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but I worry more about like offensive fifth than defense.

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And for the sacrament of Kingston particular, who needs to

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like recapture this idea that hey, we're one of the

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most potent offensive his offenses in the league. Adding Cam

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Johnston and his what forty three forty four percent from

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three on high volume, I don't hate it, man, I mean,

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he will come in playoff like playoff other guys. He

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won't utilize possessions with the ball in his hands as much.

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That's so you can kind of leave that up to DeMar.

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What's a good deal? Like? What what kind of like

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do we need to look for a specific arget type.

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Speaker 3: Or specifical position.

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Speaker 1: I don't This won't help the rebounding, and I don't

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know if he helps the defense, and what about like

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a and he's playing well right now, so I don't

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know why the team wul necessarily want to trade him.

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What about DeAndre Hunter for this team?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I love DeAndre Hunter season.

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Speaker 1: This year, Buddy Robert Atlanta want Kevin Herder play. I

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mean they probably want it first, but why would they

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want Kevin Herder back? But that's where you rope in

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other teams like they're the Rockets. Could imagine Kevin Herder

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on the Rockets. That'd be a good like like you

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just rope in third and fourteen like the.

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Speaker 2: Red Rocket on the Rockets. That's that's where you're going

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for it. Yeah, Okay, I see the logic there. So

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DeAndre Hunter is interesting, right, That's so funny because he's

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a guy who when he signed that deal a lot

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of people are like, oh, that's a little rich, and

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then over the past couple of years, it was like, oh,

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that's way too rich, Like he's overpaid, and now he's

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sort of harassing barnstaying like in his prime, like he's

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just cleaning up his own his own shot diet, and

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now he's on the cusp of actually being underpaid. So

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like it's a real predicament for Atlanta too, like do

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we believe in this is this new DeAndre Hunter moving forward?

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Or should we cash the fuck in right now? That

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has to be a conversation Atlanta. So like, if I'm

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the Kings, I at least call them and to listen, like, yeah, what.

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Speaker 3: Would it take for DeAndre Hunter? Like what would it take?

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Speaker 1: Do you know? He would be great for this team specifically?

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And I think people don't realize how big he is.

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I don't. I don't think his team would trade him.

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To be clear, Aaron Wiggins would look really good here

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addressing basically everything that we want them to do. And well,

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like that's the closest it comes to, all, Right, this

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player isn't a megaitar. He'll check mostly everybody, like not fully,

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but he'll partially check a lot of the boxes they need.

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He would be fun that he can play wing minutes.

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Speaker 3: That's a good shout. That's a good shout because he

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can play.

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Speaker 2: Four.

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Speaker 1: I think this is futile in the sense that they're

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probably just gonna end up trading for like a Jay

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Shante or a Cody Martin or Larry Nance, which all

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those names would be fine. I would like to see

473
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,039
them aim well. Honestly, I would love Larry Nance Junior

474
00:22:35,079 --> 00:22:37,440
in Sacramento playing with Sabonis or kind of behind them

475
00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:41,079
is a different look instead of Trey Lyles. But I

476
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,359
don't I think they should because like you wouldn't got

477
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,799
the Marta Rozen who's thirty five? Like now is now

478
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,559
is the time? And so I would like to see

479
00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:52,599
them be more aggressive. I'm just I'm hard pressed to believe.

480
00:22:52,839 --> 00:22:55,279
I'm at the I think it's possible because what we

481
00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:56,839
saw them do over the offseason, but I need to

482
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:57,839
see it to believe it.

483
00:22:58,839 --> 00:23:01,160
Speaker 2: What about Bruce Brown and we'll move on Bless the

484
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,079
last guy we brought. We brought him as like as

485
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,680
a possible Spurs target. What about Bruce Brown as a

486
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:07,599
King's target?

487
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,839
Speaker 1: So there, We're just gonna see how many non non

488
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,559
plus shooters they could play at once and just still

489
00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:14,839
make it.

490
00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: Well, well, I think he's a decent shooter when the

491
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,799
personnel around him fits though, Like you can count on

492
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,759
him to make the open ones and you can.

493
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,799
Speaker 1: Go downhill and make he can make passes out of that.

494
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,799
Speaker 2: He can make passes like look, he I don't understand

495
00:23:28,839 --> 00:23:31,119
why this this isn't a guy Grant has a heart

496
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,880
on for because he can pass on the move.

497
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure Grant has gotten an erection over

498
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,240
some Bruce Brown.

499
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,039
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, great, I just want to make sure that

500
00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:41,599
we're not forgetting Grant's erection.

501
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: I'll have to confirm with him next time we speak.

502
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,720
But I would say, I would say that's a Grant

503
00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:48,240
huge player at his peak, for.

504
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: Sure, exactly Like but but that's also it opens up

505
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,359
the floor, like he's a little bit of.

506
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 3: A wild card.

507
00:23:54,319 --> 00:23:56,039
Speaker 1: My old thing is, like, you don't think that's someone

508
00:23:56,039 --> 00:23:59,799
who's for offense specifically is two on balie like he

509
00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:03,559
can some of like the big man stuff off the ball.

510
00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:06,119
But then you've now decided, well, he can't play with

511
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,480
both de Rozan and some like that just can't happen, right.

512
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:10,519
Speaker 3: And you know what, that's fair.

513
00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 2: That's a fair point because Malik Monk has developed as

514
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,880
a playmaker so much in recent years, so we have

515
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,519
to facture him in as well, like he needs the

516
00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:19,319
ball in his hands a little bit more, you know what,

517
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,279
You're right, we have to lean into like off ball guys.

518
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,599
Oh you know what, there's there's there's a guy in Detroit,

519
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,559
Like he's not earning a whole lot.

520
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate on this team, FYI.

521
00:24:31,079 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: I'm I'm thinking a much lower salary.

522
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: Oh can I try and guess?

523
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: Yes?

524
00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: Uh smon Fontechio No, although.

525
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,079
Speaker 2: I will like sold it's it's in that same preath

526
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,519
Malik Beastley. I wouldn't hate a Malik Beastley there high

527
00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:50,440
vall your three point shooter off the catch.

528
00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: What do you give up for him when you're not

529
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,480
gonna have bird rights? You can give him one hundred

530
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,640
and twenty percent raise off of six million. So he's

531
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,680
gonna leave that's the problem, well is he though?

532
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,039
Speaker 2: Like remember last year he got like the the mid

533
00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:03,519
deal for.

534
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,319
Speaker 1: It really doesn't get more then, Like if he doesn't

535
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:09,079
get closer to the mid level than not next year,

536
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:11,759
I will someone needs to start a gofund me for

537
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:12,440
that bro.

538
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 2: Right, But I agree, I saw. I thought he would

539
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,920
be a non taximlits target for the past two years

540
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,119
since he signed for like a min deal in Milwaukee

541
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,880
and then he got six million this year. Like, yeah,

542
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,839
sure he's trending up, training upwards, but like it's he's

543
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:29,400
it seems like he's gettable every single year. So like,

544
00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:32,599
I wouldn't hate half your rental with Beastley on that

545
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,119
team and then just Hole paying that he stays, Yeah.

546
00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: Just what do you give up for that? So it's

547
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,000
Trey Lyles and then you're gonna get smaller. So you're

548
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,839
gonna need to get a big at some point Trey

549
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:43,920
Lyles and six.

550
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: And the deal.

551
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,519
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they can get Isia Stewart.

552
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: And that changes the calculus for sure. Then that gets

553
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,680
you a caps lock rim protector in there as well.

554
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:57,079
I like that. So Isaiah Stewart and Emilie Beasley are

555
00:25:57,079 --> 00:25:59,200
gonna be making about twenty one million combined. I think

556
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,039
Isaiah Stewart did fifteen. I should pull up a salary page.

557
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,720
That's that's a doable number for them if you're gonna

558
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,359
get and look. But so, but at that point, like,

559
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,559
going from Kevin Herder to Malik Beasley, do you view

560
00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:15,720
that as an upgrade because of the contract because Kevin

561
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:17,119
Herder has to go out in this deal less you're

562
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,759
trading right, you.

563
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: Probably have to relinquish some draft capital to get this done.

564
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: So would you prefer just forget about any of the

565
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,680
capital that's going there. Would you prefer having Herder and

566
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,359
Lyles or Stuart and Beasley, knowing that Stuart and Beasley

567
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,640
would come at the cost of some type of draft equity.

568
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,599
Speaker 2: I would rather have Stuart and Beastly at the cost

569
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,880
of some draft equity, because again, it doesn't like that

570
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,599
package doesn't justify an unprotected draft pick for example, like

571
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,319
you would have to protect the first and as soon

572
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,359
as first are protected in this league, I feel pretty good,

573
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,880
like most teams are pretty smart about protections, so I

574
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,480
would roll the dice on that. Plus, like, let's be

575
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:57,039
real about this, the Kings are win now team, Like

576
00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:00,319
they even though most of their core is pretty young,

577
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,440
they're in it to win it right now, like the

578
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:04,960
Mars thirty five, Like they want to get shit done

579
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:08,440
right now. This Malik beast I say a Stewart trade

580
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,720
even if you relinquish some level of draft capsule. That's

581
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,039
a that's an that's a move for now, that's a

582
00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:15,680
win now move, which.

583
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,759
Speaker 1: I know there, I know we have Kings fans that

584
00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:21,400
list to us. I really want to know if you're

585
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,079
doing as the Kings, just assuming this year's pick conveys,

586
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,200
it's twenty twenty seven is the first plus Herder and

587
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:31,880
Lyles for Stewart and Malik Beasley.

588
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 3: With the caveat that is not an unprotected twenty twenty seven.

589
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, I mean, and I

590
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:39,519
want to know what the I think Detroit would have

591
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:42,680
to depending on if it's heavily protected, Detroit has to.

592
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,599
Speaker 2: Say no, oh yeah, yeah, no it like it has

593
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,240
to be like protected at the right place. This is

594
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,240
something that I feel is forgotten in most trade conversations

595
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:54,200
when we talk about protected picks, right everyone is like

596
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:57,079
slinging this out, like, oh, it has to be protected, yes, sir,

597
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,640
that's cool, but at wanted, Like something could be one

598
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:02,759
top one protected could be top twenty protected. That's a

599
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:06,079
major fucking difference right there in those two. So like

600
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:09,240
lottery protection top ten.

601
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: I don't think if I'm Detroit, I don't know I

602
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,920
from that. I Meann Herder makes a lot of sense there,

603
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,880
But you're giving away two players who've been really good

604
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,279
for you for a lottery protected first, I'm probably not

605
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:23,720
doing it.

606
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 3: If top ten, then all right, fine, here's here's what

607
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,319
you can do.

608
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,039
Speaker 2: Top ten protected first year, top eight protected next year,

609
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:37,880
and then I wonder if you should just from there,

610
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,240
like basically say, if it hasn't conveyed, then it transforms

611
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:42,880
into two seconds or something. I don't know.

612
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,599
Speaker 1: I still think I like it for Sacramento, and maybe

613
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,640
if you could you include another swap like in twenty

614
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:50,279
twenty six.

615
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:53,119
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, so lottery pick lottery

616
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,000
protected and then a swap option.

617
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: I honestly, I think it has to be top ten

618
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,200
protected at most and a swap not even just do.

619
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,279
I hate that for both sides. We need to move on.

620
00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,240
But that's a that's an interesting framework. Oh.

621
00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:06,839
Speaker 3: I will say this.

622
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: On the final note, I will say this. Mark Stein

623
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:11,519
reported in the summer that the Pistons were trying to

624
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:13,559
shop I say, a stewart and couldn't find takers. So

625
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:15,279
maybe we're overestimating his trade.

626
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:17,039
Speaker 1: Pat that's true. I mean, he's someone do you can

627
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:20,039
Isaiah Stewart. Here's the question, can he play twenty five

628
00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:22,079
plus minutes per game on a consistent basis? And we

629
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,400
still don't really have the answer to that question.

630
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: Then maybe that answers whether or not we should really

631
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:30,519
like give them top ten protection. Maybe it's just a

632
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:32,759
lot of protection detection, take it or leave it.

633
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,559
Speaker 1: Well, I mean so if they just have to haggle

634
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:37,559
over their protections, if you get yeah, it's just it's

635
00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:40,119
weird because what did Stu play last year? He played

636
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:40,720
over thirty.

637
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:44,279
Speaker 2: He was pretty good, I feel like. But but the

638
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:48,960
thing is Detroit fans are a little bit like, in

639
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,359
my opinion, it seems like he's very up and down

640
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,359
in terms of the fan base, Like some love him,

641
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:54,079
some hate him.

642
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:57,279
Speaker 1: He's like I think he's great, and we don't have

643
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:00,839
the evidence of can he play heavy minute on it?

644
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,480
Like the pistons are better and I don't think this

645
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,960
is a symptom of it, but like he's playing less.

646
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,240
So it's just I'm just kidding. And it's also in

647
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:11,200
the King's instance, like how many minutes are you actually

648
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,359
playing him? Because he's some bonuses backup slash, maybe you

649
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,480
pair them together a little bit. I forgot he averaged

650
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,000
thirty last year over thirty minutes per game only in

651
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,200
forty six appearances. But yeah, I love that deal, the

652
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,440
framework of it. But a first and those two for Stewart,

653
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:29,960
and then you would have to work back. What are

654
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,640
the protections there any swaps that would make Detroit like,

655
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,440
what is Detroit's terms on that?

656
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:38,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting at the very least, but we should

657
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:39,599
move on. You're right, But like, I think we have

658
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:43,240
a framework here at the very least. All right, So

659
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:48,960
I think it's my turn. I hate to bring this

660
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,279
this team up, Dan, but I think we have to.

661
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:54,880
They're just constantly in the rumor mill, the Houston Rockets,

662
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:58,039
And I'm not a big proponent of, hey, let's accelerate

663
00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:00,880
the rebuild because I think they're doing pretty good as

664
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,920
currently constructed, and I like the young core.

665
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: I think I think you're one Josh Giddy away from

666
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,400
being something really special.

667
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,319
Speaker 2: Smart. Yes that look, that is every Bulls fan on

668
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,079
Earth is nodding along with you right now. Yes, that

669
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,160
is that they need specifically Josh Giddy. That is right.

670
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:19,680
They can't trade Jaillen Green. That's the big one. Like,

671
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,839
because and this I feel it's necessary to say because

672
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,039
I see on a daily basis, way way too many

673
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,920
like trade deadline Jalen Green trades where I'm just like,

674
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,839
it's poison pill status. It's not gonna happen. He's just no,

675
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:38,759
it won't work, So he's not going to be able

676
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:41,519
to be moved. What are we looking for here? Because

677
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:44,000
if they are to make some sort of move, it

678
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:46,480
has to be a consolidation thing. They're so good right

679
00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:49,759
now that I just I'm not in like the Jimmy

680
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:54,000
Butler territory of adding a guy who's thirty five. I

681
00:31:54,079 --> 00:31:55,799
want to say, if you have to go for someone,

682
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,880
it has to be someone who is in like, at

683
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,640
the most in his midst twenties.

684
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: And I just don't know if that guy's out there.

685
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just if I'm them, I'm not consolidating

686
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,039
until the off like real consolidation. The trade that I've

687
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:10,759
been kind of proposing for them is Jay Shawn Tate

688
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,599
and jaqu Landelle And then do you need seconds for

689
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,319
Duncan Robinson? Right, that's the type of player. And then

690
00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:19,440
you have a contract that you can move like a

691
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,880
bigger salary anchor as part of another deal and I

692
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,720
think he'll be expiring next year too, But someone along

693
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:26,799
those lines where it's a shooter who I think is

694
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:28,839
good enough to crack their Because that's the other thing

695
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,200
is it's cool if you could trade two guys that

696
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,160
you aren't super heavy heavily relying on, but like you

697
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,400
already have too many good players and so that might

698
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,240
exacerbate the issue a little bit. But if i'm if

699
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:45,079
I'm the Rockets, like they've been so good as constructed

700
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,319
this year and they have the bigger picture in mind,

701
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:50,720
I'm just looking to bring in someone who's not gonna

702
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:52,880
cost a ton of equity because the consolidation trade is

703
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,160
coming later. And is this someone who stretches the floor

704
00:32:56,759 --> 00:33:00,880
and we actually envisioned him cracking the rotation regularly. And

705
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,440
I do believe though one of the counters to that

706
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,319
would be right, if you're giving up non core assets

707
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,240
for a shooter, can't you just are you just gonna

708
00:33:10,279 --> 00:33:13,119
eat into the very few minutes that read Shepherd's already playing?

709
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:15,720
Why don't you just play read Shepherd more? At that point,

710
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,640
I think Duncan Robinson as the example that we're using,

711
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,359
definitely has the benefit of just being bigger. U so

712
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:24,920
there's that going for him, and but I also when

713
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,640
you look at what the team would be like with

714
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,480
him in its rotation. I don't know how many minutes

715
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:30,839
he's gonna play, but I think for certain matchups, if

716
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,559
you need three point shooting, they always need three point

717
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,799
volume and accuracy. But if you're looking to open up

718
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:37,839
the half court more so on a certain night, you

719
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:41,279
can you can futs around with his minutes. And that's like,

720
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:43,200
that's not the only name out there. They could certainly

721
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:46,119
they could go after Lindy Waters or something would be

722
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,480
the type I'm talking about. I think Duncan Robinson is

723
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:51,960
capable of shouldering the heavy workload obviously, but that's the

724
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,400
scale I'm kind of looking at. If on them, would

725
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,359
you agree or would you be more open minded to

726
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,839
if player X or what you deem is the right

727
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:07,680
consolid consolidatory player becomes available that you would go after him.

728
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: I again, it has to be the right one, as

729
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,519
you say, and I don't know who the right one is,

730
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:17,679
so like, there isn't that one guy who stands out well, ironically,

731
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:19,960
there there kind of is, but we've already shipped his

732
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,480
ass off to San Antonio. Kobe White would be fun

733
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,880
on this team took he.

734
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, but at that point it's yeah, he would, and

735
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,519
that things in terms of too, Like we know Fred

736
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:32,599
van Vliet, even if they pick up his team option

737
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,400
he's there next season, he's probably not going to be

738
00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:36,719
there that much. Maybe they didn't want and he goes

739
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,559
back on a smaller deal. But yeah, that seems to

740
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:43,360
be the position where if you were really gonna go

741
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,480
for it, it's can we just get more of a

742
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,920
primary I don't I won't even say it doesn't have

743
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,559
to be a primary scorer, but close to an alpha

744
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:52,320
option who can also play off the ball.

745
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: Yep. But then, of course, do you envision long term

746
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,679
a Kobe White Jalen Green back court because probably.

747
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: Not right, it's not there.

748
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,639
Speaker 2: He's yeah.

749
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: I still don't understand. I guess I understand a little

750
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,880
bit from their perspective, but I don't view his extension

751
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,079
as eminently true. I kind of view it in the

752
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:13,880
vein of had they let remember what the Pacers did

753
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,079
with Obi toppin in restricted for agency, who was giving

754
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:19,079
him that deal? If you let Jaleen Green go to

755
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:22,840
restricted free agency, who was giving him even this deal?

756
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,079
I understand the cap hold of it all. But so

757
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,880
I I I'll say this, if the Rockets are going

758
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,719
to make any move, however dramatic or nondescript, I am

759
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,760
not considering the future of Jalen Green in Iota.

760
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

761
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: No, I agree with that. So here's the question.

762
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: Jeff Green, Steven Adams, that's twenty point six million in

763
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:48,360
total potential outgoing salary. If you add some draft picks

764
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,199
to that, what can you get. I know that that's

765
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,800
not a consolidation move. That's is just me spitballing the

766
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,239
hell out of it.

767
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,039
Speaker 1: But I mean, technically it could be a two for one.

768
00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:59,440
It's just not you know, when you when you think consolidation,

769
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,719
it's like, what like main part of their rotation.

770
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,639
Speaker 2: Right, but like, well maybe there is space for another guy,

771
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:09,079
but like Jeff Green and Steven Adams don't really play

772
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:10,159
a whole lot obviously.

773
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,639
Speaker 1: It's kind of like their Garrett Temple.

774
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,119
Speaker 2: It seems so yeah, but okay, then it could be

775
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:22,960
Chuck Landale for all I care, like Dale trade already exactly,

776
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,239
but like if you combine it with Steven Adams, well

777
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,039
then that you lose a lot of size though, and

778
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:29,079
you have no backup sinners left.

779
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, one, I don't hate that just because

780
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,159
then you could continue to ratchet up the jabbari at

781
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:36,400
the five minutes when Shenglu's not on the court. So

782
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,360
I'll make the rocket smaller up front if they get

783
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,800
to more of those looks.

784
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 3: But like, what can you get though, Like, just just

785
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,559
to wrap that up, what can you get?

786
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: What do you think you think they could get brook Lopez?

787
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:51,519
Speaker 2: God, I mean that would be funny as hell, like

788
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,679
Milwaukee though, just I don't know, you know what Milwaukee is.

789
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: You're not gonna I mean, I guess you get a

790
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,320
little bigger on the wings. But probably they would be

791
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,480
we keep measuring. They'd be an interesting Cam Johnson team.

792
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:08,679
Speaker 2: Right, yes, yes, okay, yeah, no, no, but that's all

793
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,039
that's also that's almost a cheat guilt, right because virtually

794
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,800
any guy who can hit threes at a high rate

795
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,599
and play off ball fits at for like ninety percent

796
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:22,320
of all NBA teams, Like, find me a place where

797
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,880
Cam Johnson wouldn't be a good fit.

798
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: No, but he's well, but like for them specifically, because

799
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,280
we're talking about he has a little bit of stuff

800
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,320
he could do off on the ball, but he's more

801
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,679
company working away from the ball, and he probably does

802
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,719
just enough defensively that you could view him as being

803
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,760
a main part of the rotation, because yeah, he fits everywhere.

804
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,119
But we could say that about a bunch of guys.

805
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:43,639
Would they be Let's say they fit on the rockets,

806
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:45,519
but is this Are they good enough to get minutes

807
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:47,679
on this rockets team? Because they are so deep? And

808
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,760
I think Cam Johnson probably is like, if you're not

809
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,639
a center, you have to be really good to get

810
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:55,199
minutes on the rockets.

811
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, Yeah that's true.

812
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:01,559
Speaker 1: Would you look at like that, No, that's a stupid

813
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,920
like would you look at maybe trying to upgrade the

814
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,920
backup big situation a little bit? Like what this would be?

815
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,280
Would to reunite Ema Udoka with Robert Williams the third

816
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,880
what if it gallery and just bring in Robert Williams

817
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,519
and some pick equity and like that's the route you go,

818
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:18,639
and it's okay, we have Barsmith Junior, Alpern schangundin r

819
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,800
W three. Life is over for the opposing offense.

820
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:28,199
Speaker 2: So I have an idea. It's it's very ambitious and

821
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,079
he would hate it, the guy who comes in because

822
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,199
he's a starter right now, and he would hate it.

823
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:35,440
And it's a lot of money for a guy who's

824
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,880
gonna be a backup big but at least you'd know.

825
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 3: That he'd be there.

826
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: If you ship off Steven Adams and Jock Landale for

827
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:52,440
Nikola Vucevich, you at least have I mean, I know,

828
00:38:53,039 --> 00:38:56,239
I know it's twenty million this year. It's like.

829
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: Summer a lot in that scenario, and you could use

830
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,480
this should just be that, it should just be the

831
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:08,960
contract of And maybe it's the Bulls.

832
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:12,599
Speaker 2: They didn't didn't take a Picacko.

833
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,599
Speaker 1: Poor Bulls fans. Oh shout out to any Bulls fans

834
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,360
still listening to this podcast. We love you guys.

835
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: Look they didn't even take the pickback for for Alex Caruso. Look,

836
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,320
look this is a dump.

837
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: No, no, I'm saying I would make if I'm the Bulls,

838
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,159
I'm just getting off of Voochs for two reasons. I

839
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:30,039
don't have that final year of his contract, and then

840
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,760
this year specifically, you should be worse, which has to

841
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,679
be the goal. I just if you're Houston, I'm not

842
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,639
afraid of taking on money just because I'll turn around

843
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:40,079
and trade it, especially if they're going to be on

844
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:43,960
expiring contract. That seems like a terrible allocation of money. Though,

845
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,199
like you have I know Shane who's not making a

846
00:39:46,199 --> 00:39:49,960
ton this year, so maybe you consider it. But what

847
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:50,599
is that and then.

848
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: Clipping him in the summer? You could flip boochily.

849
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:58,079
Speaker 1: I guess if he should if he's hitting shots like this,

850
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:04,679
I get it. But right Smith, why are you getting no?

851
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,119
Speaker 2: And so it was just to to illustrate that there

852
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:09,840
is a deal out there. I would feel so much

853
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,119
better about it if Bush was on unexpiring Let me

854
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:13,599
just put it that way, if like this was his

855
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,559
last year on his contract.

856
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,679
Speaker 1: They probably they thought feel a lot better about it. It's

857
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:18,280
gone right now.

858
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: Well then you could argue, hey, give us a couple

859
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,920
of seconds or something like But but I do like

860
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,199
the idea of actually giving Houston another offensive option at

861
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,920
the fund would.

862
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:32,039
Speaker 1: Oh man, you know who? He's a little small though

863
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:33,679
I was gonna say Norman Powell would be good on

864
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,519
this team. I don't think the Clippers should trade him,

865
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:37,360
but that would be What.

866
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,039
Speaker 2: About the last name before we move on? How about

867
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:42,800
trying to figure out a trade for on Ygo Congo?

868
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: Sure? Why he trying? They got look there. Well, so

869
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,159
now you're gonna have Jabari Smith Junior, on y Echo

870
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,079
Kungou and Alpern Shango.

871
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: Is Jabari long for this roster necessarily.

872
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: Again, but that's I'm not don't make any decision that

873
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:03,079
exascer debates that one. That you're right, that's fair, fair,

874
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,039
we met. I did mention Kevin Herder before. I don't

875
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:08,199
know what the cost would be to get him. I

876
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,360
don't think the Kings just want your empty salaries. I

877
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,760
guess that gets complicated, but he'd be interesting here.

878
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: You're about one second away from pitching. I say a

879
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,400
stewart to this team as well, aren't you?

880
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: Well you want them to get a big so badly.

881
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,360
That wasn't really what I was targeting, but they just

882
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,119
like Aman Thompson's a point guard center. Basically, it's just

883
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:27,960
like a hybrid big wing player.

884
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,679
Speaker 2: You know what. He's a power forward. He's a real

885
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,199
four like he you know what he is. He is

886
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:36,599
a six to sixth version of a Mars Stademmeier. I

887
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:38,760
finally figured his ass out.

888
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: Oh I don't know that I love that comp No, no,

889
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,480
just just.

890
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: Just when just as a score, like when he attacks

891
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,039
the rim, like he's so explosive. He can play some

892
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:52,280
devastating pig and roll basketball. When the vision of him

893
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,159
is coming into score, he can do more than a

894
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,440
Mari like when he gets the ball virtually anywhere. He's

895
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,400
also a threat to make a pass and make a play.

896
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,679
Amari wasn't that well when it comes to just scoring

897
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,639
the rocket attacking the rim that minset is one to one.

898
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,679
Speaker 1: What do you think about them still trying to get

899
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,360
some of them? Would you trade any of like the

900
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,840
stuff that you have that's real to try and you know,

901
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,639
co opt even more of the Phoenix Stuns draft they

902
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,400
just came holme like, who are you giving up? If

903
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,679
they came with their twenty thirty one first and a salary,

904
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,559
whether it's Grays and Allen or I'm not taking back

905
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:27,760
nurkice if I'm this team but right, or if it's

906
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,599
a cot the human trade exception.

907
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: Right, just just basically rending out cap space for the

908
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,920
price of picks. Yeah, I do that. I always do

909
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,719
that if I'm a team, I don't care if I'm good,

910
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,639
Like if I have you know, expiring drying.

911
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: A roster, are you trading it? Are you willing to

912
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,320
trade if you're Houston because the twenty thirty one first

913
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,079
the player you're sending out probably has to be good.

914
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: Oh oh, okay, so it's it's an upgrade situation for Phoenix.

915
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,719
I thought you were talking about like a salary dump.

916
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 1: Well, so you're Phoenix gives up a twenty thirty one

917
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,800
first round picked to dump salary and not get any

918
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:58,760
value in return.

919
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:02,679
Speaker 2: I'm no, yeah, right, but I was also weirded out

920
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:04,800
by your question. Now, I kept if you're asking, so,

921
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,360
who are they targeting here?

922
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: I don't know the roster. I just I don't know.

923
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,559
It would have to be tari Esan but him and

924
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:12,280
Aman Thompson you can't.

925
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,159
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no no no. I don't even

926
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:16,320
know what.

927
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,559
Speaker 1: I need to see them own so much of Phoenix's

928
00:43:18,639 --> 00:43:22,079
draft or when that yeah, Devin Booker trade request invariably

929
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:23,199
comes down the pipeline.

930
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:27,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dylan Brooks earning too much. I don't even know

931
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:28,679
who the player is.

932
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: Like Brooks was earning like matched up with Allan or Nurkic, like,

933
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,840
then that would be down interesting discussion.

934
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

935
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: Well, more of the story is I don't think the

936
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,360
Rockets need to think big and if they are saved.

937
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:44,880
I still think you save it for the other. This

938
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,440
team is really good. This team is really really good.

939
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:50,199
But since we're talking about them, I'm gonna pick the

940
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:54,000
Phoenix Suns. I'm just here's why they're They're a second

941
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:57,320
apron team. So for anyone who I'm trying to be

942
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,280
like more like less complex about this, they cannot send

943
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,599
out multiple players in any trade, and they cannot take

944
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:06,320
back more money than they send out, So it has

945
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,880
to be a one for one in which they're taking

946
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,480
back the same amount of money or less. That's effectively

947
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,119
what they're looking at do. And do you think they're

948
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:15,519
the team? Like when you consider all the teams that

949
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:19,559
are theoretically on the timeline that could the Lakers, the Suns,

950
00:44:20,159 --> 00:44:22,599
maybe you loop the Bucks into there. Are they the

951
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:25,360
team that's most likely to trade a twenty thirty or

952
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,880
later in their cases, twenty thirty one first round pick.

953
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,760
They have to be the team most likely to do that, right?

954
00:44:30,199 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely so. Two years ago when I went on

955
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,760
the big if LUMPERG trip, I spoke with a lot

956
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:41,760
of sums people obviously, and what I really the thing

957
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,159
I took away from that was the draft is just

958
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,360
not a priority. It's never been a priority for them. Well,

959
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:49,400
I mean not never, say never. When they won the

960
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,800
draft lottery, of course they were looking at it, But like,

961
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:55,960
they don't look at draft picks the same way as

962
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,280
the vast majority of NBA teams do. They look at

963
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,679
it as a currency to be us to be spent.

964
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,679
They they aren't necessarily big on drafting guys. I mean

965
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,280
they did this year. They brought in Ryan Dunne, they

966
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:12,360
brought on ohso Egodora. I mean, so uh, Ecodoro, keep

967
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,440
killing Odoro. But like they brought in some guys. Yeah, yeah,

968
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,360
so they brought in some guys. But usually they're very

969
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,440
much inclined to not use draft picks. I think right

970
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,440
now they kind of needed to because they find themselves

971
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,760
in salary hell, so they had to bring in cost

972
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,159
controlled assets. So it's it's a question of is the

973
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,800
question is have they matured to the point where they

974
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,400
realize the value of draft pick now or are they

975
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,679
still you know, yolo, let's spend it. I don't know.

976
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: I I think you're I guess it depends on what's

977
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,559
out there. You're not just trading it. If you trade

978
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:52,400
that just to get out of the nrkage contract again questions,

979
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,000
but if you have the chance to, I think get

980
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,119
a better wing to properly sized wing type in there.

981
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,400
Or Isaiah Stewart is a really good name. It's just you,

982
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:03,199
I think in that.

983
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: I haven't heard that this podcast at all. Dan great, great,

984
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,840
what's a great name. I hadn't heard that name all podcasts.

985
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,000
That's a great name. I say, A Stewart, fantastic.

986
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: I think what's really difficult for me is that if

987
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,519
you're trading Nurkic with your twenty thirty one first and

988
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:21,760
then getting someone back you're going to play, it's almost

989
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,719
easier to make that deal. And in theory you aim

990
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,840
a little bit because in my head, would you give

991
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,199
up twenty thirty one and Nurkic for Isaiah Stewart?

992
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,119
Speaker 2: I would nod, but I don't. I wouldn't need you.

993
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: And that's what makes this so difficult is what are

994
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:37,559
you so?

995
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 4: Then?

996
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: Are you looking to attach twenty thirty one to who

997
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:42,360
that gets you a better player?

998
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Grayson Allen and the pick for I say a Stewart,

999
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:48,920
I probably do that because it's stream staring. You're saying.

1000
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: Detroit would be the team to say no to that.

1001
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 2: No, I'm yeah, no, I'm saying if it's if it's Nurkic,

1002
00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:57,559
and like, if you're spending the pick to get off

1003
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:02,280
of Nurkic for for for I say a Stewart, that's

1004
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,800
the deal where I think they're just relinquishing too much

1005
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:05,960
size as is.

1006
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 3: If you look at this roster, it's super small.

1007
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,039
Speaker 2: Like I had. I had Gerald Boorga on the on

1008
00:47:11,079 --> 00:47:13,960
the on the podcast I think about a month ago,

1009
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:16,800
and he and I just kind of harped on the whole.

1010
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,119
They're not a big team, like they have so many

1011
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:22,840
off guards, they have so many of the small wings.

1012
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,960
So I just wouldn't even consider the Nurkic trade. I

1013
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,360
would consider the Grayson Allen plus the pick for for

1014
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,719
I say a Stewart, that's the pick or sorry, that's

1015
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,639
the trade. I would look at it.

1016
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if that just seems like if I'm Phoenix,

1017
00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:34,440
I'm not doing it.

1018
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 2: Why not?

1019
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: I understand Grayson Allen's redundant on this team and it

1020
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:42,079
hasn't had the best year, but like he's a better

1021
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:45,239
I'm I just don't. You can't talk me into I'd

1022
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,880
rather trade Grayson Allen and my twenty thirty one pick

1023
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:49,719
for a player that I think I can get for

1024
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,840
Nurkic and my twenty thirty one pick. Now, if you

1025
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:54,400
if you're saying Detroit won't do it, now we can

1026
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,079
have a different discussion. But I'm I'm just keeping like

1027
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,000
Grayson Allen to me is still someone who has stabed

1028
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:00,880
the loan value.

1029
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,159
Speaker 2: Nurkic does not, right, But would you So let let's

1030
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,880
take the pick out of the equation. Who's who do

1031
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,000
you think it's the most attractive created asset here, Grayson

1032
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,400
Allen or Isaia Stewart?

1033
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: Oh, Isaiah's Stewart?

1034
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it might not have to be like an

1035
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,920
unprotected situation here either. Like that. That again, that's where

1036
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,800
the currency comes in, right, Like, what would you have

1037
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,840
to add to the Grayson Allen deal to get you

1038
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,920
is say a Steward? And now we're just putting use

1039
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,119
of nrkics on ice here for a second. Let's just

1040
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:36,800
focus on Grayson Allen. What would you need to add

1041
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,800
to Grayson Allen to get is say a story in there.

1042
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: I mean you would probably you need to add your

1043
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,920
twenty You don't think else to add more? Right, that's

1044
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,360
the problem, right, I think it's like you could probably

1045
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,000
work it because what does Grace and now making he's

1046
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,079
at fifteen six, which is actually that's probably right on

1047
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:56,119
the nose of Isaiah Stewart, right, yeah, Stewart is you're

1048
00:48:56,119 --> 00:48:58,079
not getting anything else back that Troy's not gonna give you,

1049
00:48:58,079 --> 00:48:59,960
Like they might give you a second back or something.

1050
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,920
What about doing something like you might not like the

1051
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,159
influx of players that are coming in in this, but

1052
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,320
I'm doing quick math in my head to see the

1053
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,039
money would even work. What about Nurkic and that first

1054
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,679
for Dorian Phinney Smith and Dayron Sharp.

1055
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so now it gets interesting because you're adding size.

1056
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:26,760
Like if you just said Dorian Phiney Smith, I would

1057
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:27,159
have been.

1058
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:29,159
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know what. I don't even think that's

1059
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:31,400
too much money coming back to Phoenix, right, yeah, you're's

1060
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,639
only had an eighteen Oh my god, he is impossible.

1061
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:39,679
Speaker 2: Like they just eat size. That's that's my focus for them.

1062
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:40,599
I would like to get them.

1063
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,519
Speaker 1: Why not do something like can you just go and

1064
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:46,079
get Nick Richards from Charlotte? And now you're aiming smaller?

1065
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:49,280
Where's that's where the Josha Kobe salary comes into play?

1066
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 2: Oh, wait, there might be a different option here. You said,

1067
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,000
Dayron Sharp, right.

1068
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm making four million. You could definitely do like that.

1069
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 3: But how if you replaced him with Trent and Watford.

1070
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,639
Speaker 1: For the Suns? Mm hmmm, uh, I think I'd want

1071
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,840
more like heft out of my size.

1072
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,199
Speaker 2: That's fair. I mean, look, he can grab him go.

1073
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,159
He can play the four and the five, well more

1074
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:16,679
of the four than the five. Yeah, I don't hate it.

1075
00:50:17,679 --> 00:50:19,159
Speaker 1: So, I mean, if you're you can just get both

1076
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:21,199
of those players for Joshua Koge, but I don't know

1077
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,360
like how many, Like you're not giving up a first

1078
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:28,119
in that deal. Jor would makes sense on this team,

1079
00:50:28,159 --> 00:50:30,119
but you don't have a good outgoing salary to send

1080
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:33,119
for him. They're in a tough spot like they need it.

1081
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:35,960
Feels like either a combo wing or a combo big or.

1082
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:38,199
They probably need both if we're being honest.

1083
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:40,559
Speaker 2: But and we and we can't even get Booch there

1084
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:42,679
because they don't have the salary.

1085
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: You don't want to trade Bradley Beal for Oh I

1086
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:49,840
do want to throw some cold water on this, just

1087
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,559
because it was reported Jimmy Butler may want to go

1088
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:55,639
to Phoenix. Jimmy Butler cannot go to Phoenix. You have

1089
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,039
to trade Bradley Beal. But like you're you're not trade,

1090
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:00,760
like you have to try. I'm not even looking at

1091
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,119
the salaries of those players, but you would have to

1092
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:05,280
trade one of the Big three, and the only member

1093
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,159
of the Big Three you would be open to trading

1094
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:09,960
is Bradley Beal, and he's at fifteen point two million.

1095
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,960
Bradley Beial's a no trade clause. Why would he sign

1096
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,360
off on going to a Miami team that no longer

1097
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,559
has Jimmy Butler. So he's not going to He's not

1098
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:22,320
going to Phoenix. I just found that. I found that hysterical.

1099
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 2: Agreed, agreed, that was always very dumb. Be careful, Bernie

1100
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,679
Lee's gonna come after you. He's gonna be in the

1101
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:29,159
comment section any second now.

1102
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna care about that. I did not even know

1103
00:51:32,679 --> 00:51:35,960
who Jimmy Butler's agent was until that whole thing happened.

1104
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:39,280
So that's the degree to which I care about that.

1105
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 4: That's great, that's stand out for this team going the

1106
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,559
flyer big somewhere that we're not kind of thinking of, like, oh,

1107
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:51,639
can you just go get go get someone, go get

1108
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,639
Jay Huff right now, let's do this.

1109
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 2: Oh that'd be interesting, like what can you even what

1110
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,440
can you get for Roys O'Neil.

1111
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,599
Speaker 1: Uh, probably someone who's worse than Roy Zonia, right.

1112
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 3: See that's and that's the challenge, right because.

1113
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,679
Speaker 1: Look, if he's your salary though, so a lot of

1114
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,519
it comes back to you can vary the levels of

1115
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:17,480
how attractive your twenty thirty one plus salary offer is,

1116
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:20,280
because if you're giving up Royce O'Neill or Grayson Allen,

1117
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:22,599
I'm aiming for a better player in return than if

1118
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:25,719
I'm giving up use of Nurkic as an example.

1119
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:32,599
Speaker 5: I don't Yeah, I don't have a I don't like

1120
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:34,599
Walker Kesler on this team, and I'm not giving up

1121
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:38,119
twenty thirty one for him.

1122
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 2: Nobody becoming a little bit underrated by the way. I

1123
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:43,880
think people are crabbing on him a little bit too

1124
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:44,440
much recently.

1125
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:46,199
Speaker 1: But no, I think I would agree with you. I

1126
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,719
just I'm not giving up twenty thirty one for Walker Kessler.

1127
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: What is what is valentiunis on Valanchiunis is on nine

1128
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,320
point nine? Oh right, so wh yella at nine point eight?

1129
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,199
See this is where this is where the new Apron

1130
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,400
just comes to and screws you over.

1131
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,199
Speaker 1: What about I don't know if they would do this,

1132
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:08,920
and maybe this feels like a bad trade for everybody.

1133
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,920
So I'm gonna propose it. Use of Nurkic to Toronto, yes,

1134
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,039
for and that pick So use of Nurkice and that

1135
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:21,199
picked in Toronto for Akbaji and you could pick between

1136
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:22,440
O Linok and Chris Bouchet.

1137
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't hate that. It's a it's

1138
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,159
another wing though. It's another wing in there, and another

1139
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:34,880
shooting guard. Yeah, and a big but like you Knowshi

1140
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:37,880
is good. Like it feels like when he would come

1141
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,519
to Phoenix he wouldn't play as much. It all like

1142
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:41,760
the gated trade value.

1143
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,599
Speaker 1: What about could you? I mean you would have to

1144
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:48,239
be if you're the Hawks, you're saying, we're gonna keep

1145
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,400
Clint Copel, We're gonna keep wearing hands. There's probably like

1146
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,159
mechanisms where on Yekkakungu on this team with that twenty

1147
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:57,079
thirty one first you're thinking about that.

1148
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, fort forty million, let's see, that's so the Grayson.

1149
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get Vig Crachie somewhere. That's gonna I mean,

1150
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,920
he was he played against the Knicks the other right,

1151
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,360
but you could do You could probably get someone else

1152
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,360
from the Hawks because the Kongo's at fourteen's at eighteen

1153
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:11,840
point one.

1154
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: So oh, you keep trying to send out Nurkic. Okay,

1155
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,079
I thought we were still on Grayson Allen.

1156
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,039
Speaker 1: Well, you could do Grayson Allen too. I mean, if

1157
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:20,119
I'm a Hawks, I'm pouncing on I'm not gonna well,

1158
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,679
pouncing is probably a strong word, but I would certainly

1159
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:23,360
consider it.

1160
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:27,639
Speaker 2: I mean, you eventually need someone to come in and

1161
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,519
take over the book don Bogdanovich minutes, because I have

1162
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,119
to assume that he's soon is going to ask, you know,

1163
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,119
for a better situation. Given his age, I have.

1164
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:40,199
Speaker 1: To assume the Hawks are playing well right now.

1165
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, look, he he is very competitive,

1166
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,119
very very competed.

1167
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 3: He likes the situation. You'll never complain publicly.

1168
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if there is a part of

1169
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,320
him that kind of goes like, all right, eventually, I'll

1170
00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:55,880
I'll have to I'll have to go to somewhere.

1171
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 3: And I have heard some rumplings over here.

1172
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: That that aggregator alert that he might have had.

1173
00:55:03,199 --> 00:55:07,039
Speaker 2: Some interest in joining up with his his best friend

1174
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:07,480
in Denver.

1175
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:12,679
Speaker 1: Oh wow, he's really that tight with Locko Chanshar.

1176
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: There we go that that was exactly the name. Yeah,

1177
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:17,440
that was a good read. Yeah.

1178
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,039
Speaker 1: So to wrap it up on Phoenix, they'll have options.

1179
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:23,519
But do you ultimately think they will trade their twenty

1180
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:27,119
thirty one pick for the right Well, no, that's not

1181
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:28,639
the question. That's or no, that's.

1182
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Then I'm gonna say no because I don't

1183
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,440
think that trade is going to be out there. That's

1184
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:35,360
interesting enough.

1185
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 1: Most of me agrees with you, but I'm going to

1186
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,159
manifest an interesting trade deadline and just say.

1187
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:44,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So the Blazers are next.

1188
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying the team. By the way, this, I mean

1189
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,519
this ties into the trade deadline them in the heat.

1190
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:51,639
I just have like probably the two teams that I

1191
00:55:51,679 --> 00:55:53,519
have the least feel for the time.

1192
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,559
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, saying so, here's the thing.

1193
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 2: I keep getting told that they loved you Aiden so

1194
00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:04,039
and that despite the fact that he's involved in very

1195
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:09,960
very many online trade rumors, I kind of get why

1196
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,440
they wouldn't pivot off of him so soon. But also

1197
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:16,639
they have Donovan Klingen. Eventually they're gonna have to make

1198
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:19,840
a call there. Given how high they drafted him, Robert

1199
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,280
Williams is probably the center they're looking to shed.

1200
00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 3: Jeremy Grant doesn't really fit the time.

1201
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,199
Speaker 1: I bet you the center they're looking to shed is

1202
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:28,039
DeAndre Aiden.

1203
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: Well, I mean again, depending on whether what I've heard

1204
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:33,159
is right or wrong.

1205
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. That's just what i've heard.

1206
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,199
Speaker 2: I've heard that they love him, So if that's true,

1207
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:42,320
I said I would I would consider the possibility that

1208
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:45,559
time Lord is the guide's to be moved off. But like, look,

1209
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:47,559
that could all be smoked. That could be smoked. They

1210
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:49,760
could be sitting there going yeah, we love da and

1211
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,000
just trying to pump up his value. So we'll see.

1212
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,800
But like there are so many movable pieces here. Jeremy

1213
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,960
Grant doesn't fit the timeline. But by the way, good

1214
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,960
on Dame to get his boy paid. Man, Like, seriously,

1215
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,440
I love that. Just on his way out, just sign

1216
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:06,519
my guy, get him all the money in the world,

1217
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:10,239
and then maybe I'll consider staying here. They do that,

1218
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,639
and he's just like laters, it's love it. It's just

1219
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:18,000
masterful play by Dame. But Jammi Grant, I'm super surprised

1220
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,119
he's still on the roster. Honestly, I thought they trade

1221
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:22,400
over the summer. He's still there.

1222
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: Love him that I know.

1223
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yep, they do that.

1224
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, they like him too that they're may.

1225
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:32,239
Speaker 1: More getable following the Denny Avvia trade, though, I would think,

1226
00:57:32,239 --> 00:57:35,519
and like Tiamani Kamara has become so integral everything they

1227
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:38,239
do that I would think Jeremy Grant is more gettable

1228
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:38,639
than ever.

1229
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:44,719
Speaker 3: I definitely think they're listening to offers for virtually everyone here.

1230
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: I mean. The thing for me, right, and I keep

1231
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,159
falling back on this is they don't have, you know,

1232
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,400
that guy they thought Schoot Henderson would be that guy.

1233
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:57,760
We're you know, a year and a half soon ish

1234
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,840
into his career. So far nothing should have he's gonna

1235
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,320
be that guy. I don't mean to be like a

1236
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,280
negative about it, but like, has he shown anything that

1237
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:07,800
makes you suggest he's ever going to.

1238
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 3: Be that guy?

1239
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:11,119
Speaker 2: So I don't think there's any player currently on the

1240
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:13,400
roster where you just kind of go, oh, yeah, this

1241
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:17,039
is like a lock. This guy is just maybe maybe clinging, but.

1242
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: No, he's I mean he's I think Donovan Clingan's really good,

1243
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,519
and I missed on him. He was not a draft

1244
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:24,320
pick that I thought was smart. I was clearly wrong,

1245
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,760
but he, like, that's just not the player you build around.

1246
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,639
I think Shade and Sharp probably has the best portfolio

1247
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,840
like type of right now, but I don't think either

1248
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,599
he or Scoot has shown nearly enough like to drive

1249
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:41,079
offense for both themselves and everybody else in an efficient matter.

1250
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:44,320
And that's what makes them really difficult because also moret

1251
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,119
I think we can point to names and say, like

1252
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:50,639
all these, anyone on their roster should theoretically be gettable,

1253
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:53,760
like lockdown clinging. I think Tomati Kamara is just so

1254
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,880
cheap that, yeah, someone overwhelmed you with an offer, you

1255
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,159
listen on anyone, So there are players you're not. I

1256
00:58:58,159 --> 00:59:00,239
don't think you give up on Scoot, and definitely give

1257
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,039
up on Shade and Sharp, but I think will still

1258
00:59:02,039 --> 00:59:05,559
be an excellent player and is an excellent player. But like,

1259
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,920
I think they probably need to be or more open

1260
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,719
minded than they ultimately will be. And I'm just wondering

1261
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,559
if part of that is because what are you targeting?

1262
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,639
Like do you how much appeal for a roster that

1263
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:19,639
already has so many dudes? Like does future draft picks

1264
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:22,679
have for you when your your most valuable draft pick

1265
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,559
is always going to be your own anyway.

1266
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 2: No, it's it like, are you asking me whether they

1267
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,119
should go out and prioritize draft picks because I think

1268
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:32,559
they should, Yes, even if they have their own fault.

1269
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:34,559
Speaker 1: It's just and then you also, if you're doing that

1270
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:36,480
by trading for guys that really aren't going to play,

1271
00:59:36,519 --> 00:59:41,639
you simplify and streamline some of your rotation. I'm just like, who, Like,

1272
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:44,679
who are you itching to move though in exchange for

1273
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:46,960
draft picks. I think a lot of people singled out

1274
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,599
Anthony Simons. I think if this team was to target

1275
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:53,559
an archetype that they need, it's just Capslocks shooting, and

1276
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:56,400
so yeah, his percentage is I think he's around thirty

1277
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,119
two percent this year. But like as a threat level,

1278
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,880
as someone that that's drawing like defenses out, they need

1279
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,519
more of those types of guys, right, But you're also

1280
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,360
at a phase where That's why I found the Dennyavvia

1281
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,239
trade weird, just because if you see this team giving

1282
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,239
up future draft equity to bring in this player who

1283
01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:16,039
he's starting to find himself on offense. I think he's

1284
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:18,599
been good defensively, as a rebounder still really physical, can

1285
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:22,559
get up the floor, but they confuse the hell out

1286
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:22,719
of me.

1287
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:25,599
Speaker 3: I actually liked the trade. I liked that trade for.

1288
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: One I'm just saying it was it was just it

1289
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,480
was weird. It was weird. This team was weird.

1290
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: It is weird.

1291
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 3: But I like the trade because of his contract.

1292
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,599
Speaker 2: I mean, look, they got him on what is probably

1293
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:43,519
a top five quality contract based on his production last year. Like,

1294
01:00:43,519 --> 01:00:45,760
we didn't see that, I don't want to say declined.

1295
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,840
We didn't see the slump or whatever we want to

1296
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,280
call it this year. Last year we saw a guy

1297
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,599
at average fifteen seven and four on decent percentages on

1298
01:00:53,639 --> 01:00:56,280
It seemed that was pretty bad. I thought it was

1299
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,679
noteworthy that he was able to sustain those percentages and

1300
01:00:59,719 --> 01:01:02,880
that iffficiency on a team that was so bad. So

1301
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:05,519
I bought into it. I bought into like the playmaking

1302
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:09,239
for upside. If he's not that guy, then yes, you're right,

1303
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:10,559
then that was a portraite.

1304
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:12,599
Speaker 1: I think, well, I don't think it was a poor trade.

1305
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:14,119
I think it was a weird trade. And I would

1306
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:16,400
ask you now and I'm not I won't deliver a

1307
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,519
verdict on this trade, specifically for like I've talked about it,

1308
01:01:19,519 --> 01:01:21,360
and we'll continue to talk about it, but this is

1309
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:23,000
something that we're going to look back on, like two

1310
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,360
three years down the line and have to wonder how,

1311
01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:27,639
like see how it panned out. I just if you

1312
01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:30,719
traded Denny Avvia right now, are you getting a lottery

1313
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,880
pick plus a distant first round pick and then salary

1314
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:38,239
filler that is as good or as appealing and so

1315
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,239
far as he's even appealing as Malcolm Brogden.

1316
01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so that's it depends on what kind of

1317
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,320
player you're you're you're looking at here, like, are you

1318
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,639
talking about Deny Avdriva in the way that he's played

1319
01:01:48,639 --> 01:01:51,199
this year or are we talking about Like My.

1320
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: Point is they value Denny Avdya, which I think again

1321
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:57,039
it's not unforgivable. I'm not even saying it was wrong.

1322
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:01,440
They valued him like he is going to be part

1323
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,760
of the bedrock upon which they built.

1324
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:06,719
Speaker 6: Right and I and look, I could see the pathways

1325
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,000
that last year, couldn't you?

1326
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: I could? But you know, we we laud what his

1327
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:15,639
contract is in terms of team friendly, but by the

1328
01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:18,559
time the Blazers are good, that deal is no longer

1329
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:21,039
going to be team friendly because he's not going to

1330
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:23,559
extend off it. You have to deal with his So again,

1331
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,119
I don't think it was the wrong move. I think Dennyavi.

1332
01:02:26,519 --> 01:02:29,000
I think Dennyavia still is one of the more underrated

1333
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,760
basketball players in the NBA. I just found it curious

1334
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:34,800
and it makes it harder for me to discern what

1335
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,280
I think this team will do at the deadline. If

1336
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,320
I had to guess, at minimum, I think they trade

1337
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:43,119
like a reserve wing type. Maybe we see Matis Stible

1338
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:45,440
go on the move, and I think they'll move one

1339
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,280
of their bigs that's not Donovan Klingen, but that big.

1340
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,000
It might just be Duop Wreath. By the way, there's

1341
01:02:51,039 --> 01:02:52,599
like those teams. Any team that needs a big just

1342
01:02:52,599 --> 01:02:53,480
call Abat dwap Wreath.

1343
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true. No, he can play.

1344
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 3: We saw it last year.

1345
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: He's not played a lot this year, but like there's

1346
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:00,840
there's a player in there.

1347
01:03:01,239 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: I think he's like this, Well, this is like I

1348
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,840
guess this, This is like the he's like the straight

1349
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:09,440
to DVD rim protecting floor spacing center.

1350
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah he is. Guess he is.

1351
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 3: And they're worth in that for sure.

1352
01:03:14,199 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 2: As to just wrap up the after thing, I think

1353
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,840
what really screwed them over on everything is they were

1354
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,800
hoping for a big year two of Scoot. They were

1355
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,519
hoping that that rookie season was.

1356
01:03:25,519 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: Just he showed signs to be fair for like the

1357
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:31,079
latter half, and I don't know how much of his

1358
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:33,679
rookie season was messed up by the ankle injury he

1359
01:03:33,719 --> 01:03:37,800
started with. I still find it curious though, that they're like,

1360
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,559
he's mostly come off the bench still this season, and

1361
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:43,239
maybe I'm assuming that's not the plan long term. And

1362
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,760
he's missed a bunch of games recently and only played

1363
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,079
into both of which he came off the bench for.

1364
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,159
I Again, this team is weird. It's just it's just

1365
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:54,079
weird to me. You know what, It would be good for

1366
01:03:54,119 --> 01:03:57,920
them though, Delano Banton. If I'm a team, they might

1367
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,199
just want to pay him at this point. But if

1368
01:03:59,239 --> 01:04:00,960
I'm a team and I got seconds, just like that's

1369
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,440
a name that I'm circling. Yeah, So my question, I

1370
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,599
have two questions for you about this team. Who is

1371
01:04:07,639 --> 01:04:09,599
the player that you think is most likely to be

1372
01:04:09,679 --> 01:04:13,000
traded the one player will start there? Because then I

1373
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:13,880
have a separate question.

1374
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,559
Speaker 2: I think you Seremon Grant really yeah, yeah, I mean

1375
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:20,159
it should be.

1376
01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:24,199
Speaker 1: I feel like it's Robert Williams the third or I mean, honestly,

1377
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:25,199
the answer is dwap brief.

1378
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:29,519
Speaker 2: But but but when we're talking about like players, who

1379
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:30,920
are you know playing?

1380
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:36,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I just Jeremy Grant's money is I don't

1381
01:04:36,159 --> 01:04:38,159
think he's on a terrible deal. I do know that

1382
01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:39,880
people around the league still view it as a net

1383
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,519
negative deal, but it's not. You know, I don't think

1384
01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:44,400
it's aged any worse than it looked in the moment.

1385
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:48,000
It's just I feel like for non stars, we don't

1386
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:51,000
see someone with such massive salaries moved midseason that often.

1387
01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:54,159
Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Uh My follow up question, though,

1388
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:59,000
that was of the players that you consider likely to

1389
01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:02,199
be traded, so not Shadon Sharp, not Scooted, not Clinging.

1390
01:05:02,599 --> 01:05:05,559
Who could they get the most for in a trade?

1391
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:10,559
Is it Jeremy Grant or is it someone else Shayden Sharp? No, No,

1392
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:12,159
I said, so you think they would move him?

1393
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:12,639
Speaker 3: Ill?

1394
01:05:12,719 --> 01:05:14,719
Speaker 2: No, you were asking, didn't you ask me what you think?

1395
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:18,400
What player of the non movers, whom.

1396
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: The one that Scold get moved?

1397
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,559
Speaker 3: I man I could get moved.

1398
01:05:20,599 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 2: Okay, my apologies. Then I didn't understand the question.

1399
01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: That is weird.

1400
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,719
Speaker 2: I guess Simon's I think could because he's just so seamless,

1401
01:05:31,719 --> 01:05:36,320
a fit virtually everywhere, and he's young. Yeah, yeah, twenty five,

1402
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,719
twenty six something somewhere along those area.

1403
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: So he's actually my I don't know that he's he's yeah,

1404
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,519
this is an age twenty five season. I think he's

1405
01:05:43,519 --> 01:05:47,199
my answer for the most trade value. I honestly, I

1406
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,000
feel like because there are some teams that are just

1407
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:51,800
in need of bigs, and I know Robert Williams have

1408
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,400
been playing lately. I think he's the I view him

1409
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,119
as the player most likely to get traded. But maybe

1410
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:59,320
I look, if Clington is still injured at that point,

1411
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,119
I know he's a post to be back. Or did

1412
01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:03,400
he already return? What was his status? I couldn't remember.

1413
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:06,519
Speaker 2: I mean, look, even even if he's playing right now,

1414
01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:10,559
he's he's a walking injury. And I think that's what

1415
01:06:10,679 --> 01:06:13,719
seems are very very aware of, Like they know that

1416
01:06:14,199 --> 01:06:16,280
you can't rely on Robert Williams to play a lot

1417
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,039
of games. You just you can't. And I think that

1418
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:24,440
I think there are certainly some some level of hesitancy there.

1419
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to talk over you there. Clinging is

1420
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,079
day to day at the moment, so he's been upgraded.

1421
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:30,039
So yeah, he didn't return. I haven't remember all good,

1422
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,320
but yeah, if he's back, I think it makes because

1423
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,239
right now it's you kind of need, not that you need,

1424
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,679
but like Robert Williams is serving an even bigger purpose

1425
01:06:38,719 --> 01:06:40,880
than he would if you had Clingon and Aighton and

1426
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,760
himself all available ones.

1427
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:45,119
Speaker 2: M we'll see.

1428
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:47,199
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a team that definitely needs to do something.

1429
01:06:47,239 --> 01:06:50,519
Speaker 2: I think we might disagree on where they land specifically,

1430
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:52,639
but this is a team that needs to do something.

1431
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: I hope whatever they do brings in some shooting too.

1432
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,039
I'm not saying view that as the primary inbound value.

1433
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:01,239
I think you're right with the draft picks. I'm gonna

1434
01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:03,920
set the over under though, of all the tradable names

1435
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,000
at one point five of being moved, are you taking

1436
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,760
the over of the under? So at least you're saying

1437
01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:14,159
are yeah, is it at least two players of the

1438
01:07:14,159 --> 01:07:17,599
one Yeah, I think they consider being traded, get moved

1439
01:07:17,719 --> 01:07:18,039
or is it.

1440
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,719
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say under. I'm gonna say under. It's

1441
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:21,440
gonna be one guy.

1442
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: I think again, I'm just gonna go counter even though

1443
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,679
I don't believe it and say over manifest they yeah,

1444
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:27,280
nice trade.

1445
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,559
Speaker 2: Look, I would love that. I'm hoping for Over because

1446
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:32,639
that would make for more entertaining trade. That line, give

1447
01:07:32,639 --> 01:07:36,400
me trades man. Yeah, absolutely, my turn to pick. I'm

1448
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:36,960
gonna go with.

1449
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's be Massachiss. The New Orleans Pelicans.

1450
01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a feeling you to go there.

1451
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:50,079
Speaker 1: So many I have been so high relative consensus on

1452
01:07:50,119 --> 01:07:52,440
the Pelicans entering each and every season, and I just

1453
01:07:52,519 --> 01:07:55,440
don't learn my lesson. It's like me betting the Grizzlies

1454
01:07:55,519 --> 01:07:58,639
under when fewer than twelve players are injured, like they're

1455
01:07:58,719 --> 01:08:01,199
just gonna clear the over unless their entire roster is

1456
01:08:01,239 --> 01:08:05,360
abducted by aliens. For the most part, now, I don't

1457
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,559
know what mad like, what are you supposed to do?

1458
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,920
You're not. Here's what I'll say. This is what you

1459
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,679
absolutely shouldn't do at the trade deadline attempt to salvage

1460
01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:19,399
this season it is over, Like you're screwed, Like this

1461
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:20,039
year it's over.

1462
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:22,159
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, yes.

1463
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: You need to do like this is just I don't

1464
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:28,800
want to hear. What aggravates me so much about them

1465
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,640
is that they've repeatedly done these I would call them

1466
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,960
half measures, even if you think they're smart measures, like

1467
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,920
to the Jente Murray trade. But they've constantly viewed themselves

1468
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,640
as we're building around Zion Williamson, but in the image

1469
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,640
of a team that can coexist without him, and by

1470
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,880
attempting to do that, not only have they failed on

1471
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,399
a number of occasions to exist without Zion Williams in

1472
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:55,239
but they've assembled what is a very counterintuitive roster. Even

1473
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,439
at full strength, you could talk yourself into a lot

1474
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:00,520
of elements of what they have, but there's always just

1475
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,600
so many functional trade offs and oddities that it's confusing

1476
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,439
as hell. And even now this season, they're second to last.

1477
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:11,640
Last time I checked, I should probably recheck that in

1478
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:15,479
rim and three frequency. So like, this is just a

1479
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,119
team that, even at full strength, I don't think is

1480
01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:21,520
ever built to be the best version of itself. So

1481
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,239
now you go into this trade deadline, and I think

1482
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,640
the actual move is just get whatever you can for

1483
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,960
brandon Ingram to take this idea that you could extend

1484
01:09:31,039 --> 01:09:34,520
him and delay what feels like an inevitable trade, even

1485
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,560
if you think the number is more palatable this off season,

1486
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,840
just this should have been made the decision on brandon

1487
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,640
Ingram should have been made already. It should have happened

1488
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,119
at the latest over the offseason. And so I really

1489
01:09:44,119 --> 01:09:46,399
do think that they screwed up there because I don't

1490
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:47,920
know what value they thought they were going to get

1491
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,399
back fro him in a trade. And then from there

1492
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,319
you need to work your way back and say, well,

1493
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:54,079
what are we trying to do from here? We know

1494
01:09:54,079 --> 01:09:56,680
we're going to get a high draft pick this year

1495
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,199
from our own draft picks. Dash are we continuing to

1496
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:03,880
try and move forward with I guess Zion and Trey

1497
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,399
and Herb and de Jente Murray and Eve's mecie who's

1498
01:10:06,399 --> 01:10:09,880
emerged as your core or more? Should they be thinking

1499
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,279
more nuclear than that? But are they even in a

1500
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:14,000
position to think more nuclear and say, well, we're going

1501
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:17,720
to take steps back? Who's training for CJ. McCollum or

1502
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,439
Zion Williamson at this point? So even that feels unrealistic.

1503
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,319
Speaker 2: So I wrote a major article over at yah who

1504
01:10:25,319 --> 01:10:28,000
basically saying Simon Williamson is the toughest player to build

1505
01:10:28,039 --> 01:10:32,600
around in the league. And I still firmly believe that

1506
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,720
because of the archetype that he is, this team should

1507
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,560
blow it to bits like there should be. I'm going

1508
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:42,720
to reverse engineer this in a way. There are three

1509
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,000
players currently on the roster who I think should be

1510
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,119
locked in as guys you want to retain. I'm not

1511
01:10:49,159 --> 01:10:51,920
saying you should build around them, but like Eve, Missy,

1512
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,319
Herb Jones and Trey Murphy are the three guys that

1513
01:10:55,359 --> 01:10:57,319
I want to roll into next season. And I'm very

1514
01:10:57,319 --> 01:11:00,479
open to Jordan Hawkins as well. So like three four,

1515
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:04,399
everyone else is fair game. Like you can get something

1516
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:07,800
for deonce during the summer, I'm not sure what you

1517
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,399
can get for CG. I'm not sure what you can

1518
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,159
get for Sion. I agree with you on the brandon Ingram.

1519
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:13,960
Just get him out of there as soon as possible,

1520
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,079
preferably this trade deadline. Like you, I'm at that point

1521
01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:20,960
where whatever you can get is more or less fine,

1522
01:11:21,039 --> 01:11:23,960
because then he can start his new career elsewhere.

1523
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:26,560
Speaker 3: If you can get some level of draft capital in,

1524
01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:27,479
take it.

1525
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,399
Speaker 2: Like I'm not even looking at how can we improve

1526
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,479
the course of this roster for this year. No screw that.

1527
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,039
You have entered into one of those situations where you

1528
01:11:37,159 --> 01:11:39,800
have to think three years down the line. Whatever move

1529
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,079
they make now and throughout the course of the offseason.

1530
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:46,880
It can be with the mindset of within the next

1531
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,079
twelve months or twenty four months. It has to be

1532
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:53,159
forty six months, forty eight months. They have to look

1533
01:11:53,239 --> 01:11:57,920
long term. So nuclear option for virtually every single player

1534
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,199
on this roster outside of the guys that I outlined before,

1535
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,359
just blow it all to bits.

1536
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: Do you think that's realistic to do? Though, because most

1537
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:09,560
of these guys that you're trading would be close to

1538
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,399
the n any deer of their value. I mean CEG

1539
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,119
mccollins probably the closest to not being at the nay deer.

1540
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:17,800
But his contract is so people don't love it. I

1541
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:19,920
didn't hate it when they signed him to it, and

1542
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:23,000
I still don't think it's some albatross. And he's done

1543
01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:25,239
a very good job, like over the past couple of

1544
01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:28,000
seasons of upping his three point volume. I just don't

1545
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,920
I understand to blow it to smithereens slant for sure.

1546
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,479
I just don't know if that's actually feasible.

1547
01:12:35,239 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 2: No, And see that's the challenge, right, I mean, you

1548
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,960
can't do it over the course of just this trade deadline.

1549
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,399
This trade deadline for them is sort of like a

1550
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,039
little bit of a mood point, like they Brandon Ingram

1551
01:12:45,079 --> 01:12:46,520
is the guy. I think they should pivot off this

1552
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,479
trade deadline, and then it's going to be the summer.

1553
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,920
It could be that they just say screw it, like

1554
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,520
we will not make any moves. Who'll just play it

1555
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,359
out and then we make everything happen in the summer.

1556
01:12:57,399 --> 01:13:02,039
Brandon can leave whatever, But I mean, I would try

1557
01:13:02,119 --> 01:13:05,479
my best before this trade deadline to make something happen.

1558
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,840
And then I'm just gonna push it to summer because

1559
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:11,720
they're gonna lose regardless. Like I'm not afraid of Sion

1560
01:13:12,039 --> 01:13:14,840
or an Ingram something returning and suddenly they're playing, you know.

1561
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,119
Speaker 3: Sixty five basketball. That's not gonna happen.

1562
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,319
Speaker 2: Like they're not gonna play six six fifty basketball the

1563
01:13:20,319 --> 01:13:21,760
rest of the years. That're gonna happen. They're not.

1564
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 1: Zion's still out. Brandingram just got injured, and that also

1565
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:30,039
that might make a branded Ingram trade tougher. Yeah, this

1566
01:13:30,079 --> 01:13:32,920
seems in a rough spot. They do have options at least,

1567
01:13:33,039 --> 01:13:35,520
like their assets stashes in the stale. It's just the

1568
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,479
even if you could blow it to smithereens, it's still

1569
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:40,359
a tough call. Like let's just say they could get

1570
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:42,800
deals lined up for McCallum and Ingram that they like.

1571
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:47,079
It's tough to make that call because then you've decided, Okay,

1572
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:51,600
are we quasi rebuilding? Is the plan to rejigger around

1573
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,439
Zion for next year? Is he gonna be? Are we

1574
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:55,239
hoping he comes back and builds up his trade? Guys,

1575
01:13:55,279 --> 01:13:56,119
we can move over the Austin.

1576
01:13:56,279 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 2: It's done. It's done. It's done, it's done. Many I

1577
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:01,319
don't think.

1578
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 1: You can make You can't make his Ion Williamson trade.

1579
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,279
Speaker 3: Now I would no, no, no, you can't.

1580
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:10,520
Speaker 2: And look if we even make that inall.

1581
01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: Because I'm thinking higher on Zion Williamson then majority. So

1582
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,199
I'm just like, at this point, he's not ruining any

1583
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:20,399
tank because he's either hurt all the time. And then

1584
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:21,960
it's like, but if you do ever get like a

1585
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:26,600
transcendent Zion for just fifty seven games plus the playoffs,

1586
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:30,359
like you could do some real damage. So it's it's

1587
01:14:30,359 --> 01:14:32,000
a tough I don't have answers for this team. That's

1588
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,479
why I think they're a team to watch. But there

1589
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,640
I don't expect them to be. They're not gonna buy

1590
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,039
and if they do that'll be my practice. I just

1591
01:14:39,079 --> 01:14:42,119
don't think they're gonna be the sellers that people expect

1592
01:14:42,119 --> 01:14:45,039
them to be. And so do you do you think

1593
01:14:45,039 --> 01:14:48,159
they trade who's the most ingram, the most likely player

1594
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:50,239
to be traded just because of the contract situation or no?

1595
01:14:50,399 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 2: Yes, yes I would. I would think so, just to

1596
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,079
see if you can get anything out of him, absolutely,

1597
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:56,000
like bullet.

1598
01:14:56,359 --> 01:14:59,159
Speaker 1: Do you believe that they will move at least one

1599
01:14:59,159 --> 01:15:01,560
of him or McCullum by the deadline?

1600
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah? See that's now you're putting me on the spot,

1601
01:15:05,119 --> 01:15:06,840
Like yes, Like what is.

1602
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:08,399
Speaker 1: TJ shooting from three? And this year? I know he

1603
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:08,680
was in.

1604
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,560
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, CJ is like at like thirty one

1605
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,880
I think last time I checked, Yeah, thirty one point four.

1606
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 3: Also, I will say this this.

1607
01:15:19,079 --> 01:15:23,119
Speaker 1: This works the second highest three point percentage, honest team.

1608
01:15:23,159 --> 01:15:24,039
Speaker 3: That's so funny.

1609
01:15:25,159 --> 01:15:27,399
Speaker 2: And and look he even though he takes like six

1610
01:15:27,399 --> 01:15:31,000
and sevens per game, like, he's still very low on

1611
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:33,880
like the the threesome layups, like he's still a lot

1612
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,159
of twos. But I will say they.

1613
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 1: Are second to last in rimon threes. By the way,

1614
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,600
only we just talked about the Kings. Only the Kings

1615
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,119
are lower than them, and it's it's by a preposterous amount,

1616
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:46,359
by the way, but not surprised.

1617
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,520
Speaker 2: So c J. I want to just wrap up CJ

1618
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:54,199
here because he's got a very good reputation within the league,

1619
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,359
Like he is a standout locker room guy, great teammate,

1620
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,319
and and he's one of those guards who can play

1621
01:16:01,359 --> 01:16:03,960
like the one and two. So I wouldn't be shocked

1622
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:05,720
if they do find it taken for him this summer.

1623
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:08,039
I don't think they find it now because like right now,

1624
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:11,800
especially with the aprons active and everything, just finding a

1625
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,000
spot for a guy who's going to earn you know,

1626
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:17,039
thirty zero point six million next year and forty three

1627
01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:20,079
point three this year, that's not going to be easy.

1628
01:16:20,279 --> 01:16:22,039
Speaker 3: But I do think they can move him in the summer.

1629
01:16:22,279 --> 01:16:24,359
Speaker 2: I do think that there are team's out there that

1630
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,880
value who he is and what he gives you. So

1631
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:29,960
I don't think this is I don't I think he's

1632
01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:32,520
very unlikely to get traded here at the trade headline,

1633
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,880
Brandon seems like the only one just like, squeeze everything

1634
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:37,000
you can out of that contract.

1635
01:16:37,039 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 1: I just don't have the team for Brandon Ingram. I've

1636
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,079
gone through that exercise. Buck I thought that he might

1637
01:16:42,119 --> 01:16:43,920
be like a flyer on there, But now if they're

1638
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,960
looking at trade Jimmy Butler, that's gonna be yeah, no

1639
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:47,039
non starter.

1640
01:16:48,079 --> 01:16:48,399
Speaker 2: Can I.

1641
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 3: So So here's the thing. This, this surprised me.

1642
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 2: I've had a couple of Pells fans like who I

1643
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,680
speak to occasionally reach out and just basically ask about

1644
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,960
science future. This isn't trade that I'm related. But he

1645
01:17:02,079 --> 01:17:05,439
was like they were basically telling me, you know what,

1646
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,840
I would just let him go. I would just let

1647
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:12,079
him walk. And I'm just like that, that's super aggressive.

1648
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,319
And then they hit me back with but what trades

1649
01:17:15,359 --> 01:17:18,960
are out there? And like, I'm kind of stumped. I'm

1650
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,960
not gonna say that I agree with letting him walk,

1651
01:17:22,039 --> 01:17:24,960
like just wave his ass. I'm not there. But I

1652
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,000
also think it's a reasonable counter Like what the hell

1653
01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:30,319
type of deal is out there for him?

1654
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:33,159
Speaker 1: I don't know. But at that point, even let's just

1655
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:34,960
say there's no trade out there for him, right now,

1656
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,640
what do you gain by just letting him go? You're

1657
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,039
not using that money to hit home runs in free

1658
01:17:41,039 --> 01:17:43,960
agency from there, assuming you even open up cap space

1659
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,960
when Trey Murphy's extension is gonna kick in, and you

1660
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:47,880
have CJ on the books to maybe get him off too.

1661
01:17:48,199 --> 01:17:51,279
So it's I would rather just now he could be

1662
01:17:51,399 --> 01:17:53,439
viewed as the salary anchored to trade. Maybe he comes

1663
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:55,319
back next season plays well enough where he ups his

1664
01:17:55,359 --> 01:17:57,960
trade value. I still the thing I want to say,

1665
01:17:58,359 --> 01:18:00,880
but I can't, Like we aren't prepared to talk about

1666
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,279
di on Williams and trades. I still bet they would

1667
01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:05,560
get two first round picks for him. I don't know

1668
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,880
that they'd be elite, but you don't think the team

1669
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,199
would just especially if they have like some extra tospair,

1670
01:18:11,239 --> 01:18:13,680
would just say fuck it and try it. Maybe maybe

1671
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:14,800
on my deal Hornets.

1672
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,039
Speaker 3: The Hornets would do it in an instant.

1673
01:18:17,399 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 1: They technically don't even own this year's first round pick,

1674
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,760
even though they do because it's lottery protected before it

1675
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:22,720
turns into two seconds.

1676
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 2: But then future, the future like they would do it.

1677
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,600
Speaker 1: That would be the Sato and zye on building your

1678
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:30,520
team around man would be.

1679
01:18:31,159 --> 01:18:35,399
Speaker 2: Who like, honestly, who cares about the Hornets outside of

1680
01:18:35,399 --> 01:18:38,159
Hornets fans, no one? At least this would get them

1681
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:40,039
on the radar a little bit like this is a

1682
01:18:40,119 --> 01:18:41,640
team that's that's.

1683
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,520
Speaker 1: Il fan short. Some of our best standalone. When we

1684
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:49,039
do standalone team content has been the Hornet stuff. People

1685
01:18:49,079 --> 01:18:52,039
care they have Cody Martin. He's the best basketball player

1686
01:18:52,079 --> 01:18:52,520
in the world.

1687
01:18:54,119 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 2: All right, fair enough, I'm not seeing.

1688
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:02,039
Speaker 1: Which is basically just like a code Martin fans.

1689
01:19:02,319 --> 01:19:06,560
Speaker 2: Okay, that's very niche, though, that's very niche.

1690
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 3: But I'm saying I would.

1691
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 2: I would be shocked if the Hornets weren't, like, oh.

1692
01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 1: Well, here's my thing is, like the Hornets picks would

1693
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:16,159
be too valuable to give up too. If I'm Charlotte

1694
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,720
like you, I bet you they would give up Jon

1695
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,680
Salon in a first plus that, I bet you they

1696
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:22,239
would do that.

1697
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:25,359
Speaker 3: I think there are some Pelicans fans that would take that.

1698
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:31,560
Speaker 2: Really, I think there are based on my interactions with people, again, fans,

1699
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,039
I want to I want to reemphasize that fans fans,

1700
01:19:35,119 --> 01:19:38,039
not decision makers fans. But there are absolutely fans out

1701
01:19:38,039 --> 01:19:40,800
there who are like totally fed up with this thing,

1702
01:19:41,119 --> 01:19:42,920
just like to the point where I don't care.

1703
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:46,359
Speaker 1: Just I get it. I blame the organization more than

1704
01:19:46,359 --> 01:19:47,399
I do Zion at this point.

1705
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:51,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, agree, oh agreed, absolutely, yeah, yeah, But but the

1706
01:19:51,279 --> 01:19:53,119
thing is if you keep him though, that's the thing.

1707
01:19:53,159 --> 01:19:55,279
Then this is this is the challenge. If you keep

1708
01:19:55,359 --> 01:19:58,720
sign around, you sort of still have to build around

1709
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:02,760
him from an on courtp because well, I mean you

1710
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,720
kind of do because you have to factor in lineups

1711
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:09,319
with him on the floor, and he's so difficult to

1712
01:20:09,399 --> 01:20:10,399
play around here.

1713
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 1: So here's what I'll say. I don't know. He is

1714
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,199
very unique in a specific talent. One hundred percent agree

1715
01:20:15,239 --> 01:20:19,199
with that. And I think also, and this is a compliment,

1716
01:20:19,239 --> 01:20:21,840
your take is rooted kind of in the reality. But

1717
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,680
they have him under contract, he has not been healthy.

1718
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:29,600
If they decide to make him a glorified reserve who's

1719
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:31,520
not going to impact just the makeup, they can do that.

1720
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 3: That's true.

1721
01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, But what I will say is I understand that

1722
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:39,079
he's a specific talent. You have never once said, let's

1723
01:20:39,319 --> 01:20:42,960
surround him with as much rim protection and floor spacing

1724
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,119
as possible. I'm not even saying from the same player,

1725
01:20:45,159 --> 01:20:48,039
because we know that those are like they're real unicorns.

1726
01:20:48,119 --> 01:20:50,359
Name the players who fit the bill of plus rim

1727
01:20:50,399 --> 01:20:53,039
protectors and real floor spacers. The list is very short.

1728
01:20:53,319 --> 01:20:56,560
You have never ever, ever, ever committed to that. You've

1729
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,159
never even put yourself in a position to have the

1730
01:20:59,239 --> 01:21:01,560
kind of personnel. Well maybe that was the plan with

1731
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,760
Dejonta Murray this season is to where it's, wow, how

1732
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,560
many screens de Zion William said, to where it's like

1733
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,800
we're trying to figure out how to get him moving

1734
01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:13,560
or used without the ball. I I just I accept

1735
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,199
what you're saying, and there it's definitely rooted in fact,

1736
01:21:16,359 --> 01:21:20,079
But I reject this notion that the Pelicans have done

1737
01:21:20,119 --> 01:21:23,439
a good enough job attempting to properly build around Zion.

1738
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:25,960
I agree that we could even say that, and I

1739
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,760
think they got caught up in as Look, I understand

1740
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,720
the temptation there. They were trying to juggle too many

1741
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:36,520
different agendas because it's we want Zion to be a

1742
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,279
big part of our team, but we can't count on

1743
01:21:38,359 --> 01:21:40,800
him to be there. And so that's why brandon Ingram

1744
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,399
is important. That's why a CG. Mccoum's important. That's why

1745
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:45,640
de Jonta Murray is important. That's why it took so long.

1746
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,239
Remember how long it took, Like it happened in two

1747
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,720
we know by now, but like it even took up

1748
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:53,239
until some point last year for them to just say, Okay, yeah,

1749
01:21:53,279 --> 01:21:55,159
we'll put the ball on Zion's hands and let him

1750
01:21:55,159 --> 01:21:57,319
go like there was even when he comes back from injury,

1751
01:21:57,319 --> 01:21:59,520
there was always this like, maybe we should vary up

1752
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,520
the pecking a little bit. So the one thing I

1753
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,760
will say, just to go back to it, I don't

1754
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,000
even think I'll listen to it. I will entertain any

1755
01:22:07,119 --> 01:22:10,560
argument that is made genuinely and without making fun of

1756
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,119
the size of my nose, and even I'll maybe the

1757
01:22:13,159 --> 01:22:15,920
latter I'll listen to. You can't. I don't think you

1758
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,840
could sell me on any universe in which it makes

1759
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:19,760
sense to just let.

1760
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 2: No no, no no. And I agree, I'm not a proponent of that.

1761
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:28,359
I found it interesting that that some members of the

1762
01:22:28,359 --> 01:22:30,960
Fame base are there. That's kind of that was like

1763
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:33,800
one of those Whoa moments for me, because I didn't

1764
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:35,800
think that it was that bad. But I've seen it

1765
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,199
and I've heard it, and it's like whoa that they

1766
01:22:38,199 --> 01:22:40,560
were pretty far along to your point about sign I

1767
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,520
think you hit it right on the head there in

1768
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:47,479
terms of they had to balance building around Sion with

1769
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,520
the fact that his lack of availability right and I

1770
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:54,880
think nowadays availability has become such a huge element that

1771
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:58,039
you just if you have a guy who you just

1772
01:22:58,119 --> 01:23:02,520
don't know miss a half a season or a full

1773
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,239
season any given time. Like you can't trust Kawhi, you

1774
01:23:05,239 --> 01:23:07,640
can't trust Joel Empeede, you can't trust Sion Williamson. In

1775
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:11,520
that sense, they're great, great players, and I'm emphasizing great

1776
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:15,600
because they truly are when they're healthy and in shape

1777
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:19,560
and everything. But if they're only playing forty percent of

1778
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,640
their games, eventually you'll have to make a tough ass call.

1779
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,199
And I understand why Pels fans and even the Pels

1780
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:32,800
themselves might be thinking about, Hey, let's actually maybe lean

1781
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:39,039
in towards availability, consistency, something else. I will say this

1782
01:23:39,399 --> 01:23:42,680
to wrap it up. If they win the lottery and

1783
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,920
they go Cooper Flag, that at least gives them a

1784
01:23:46,039 --> 01:23:47,800
legitimate argument to just start over.

1785
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,039
Speaker 3: But that'd be fun as hell.

1786
01:23:49,239 --> 01:23:53,319
Speaker 2: They'd go from Anthony Davis, a big man, you know,

1787
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,279
a big man power forward there, to sign Williamson, a

1788
01:23:56,319 --> 01:23:58,720
pseudo power forward slash center, and then again to Cooper

1789
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:01,199
Flag with three first That would be amazing.

1790
01:24:01,239 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 3: I would love that just for the storytelling of it all.

1791
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 1: Their their off season, I think is going to be

1792
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:07,640
their trade inline will be interesting because of the brand

1793
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,039
and ingram of it. All Right, their off season, even

1794
01:24:10,039 --> 01:24:12,000
if he's gone, is going to be so fascinating. If

1795
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,399
he's still imagine they don't trade him, think about how

1796
01:24:14,399 --> 01:24:16,680
interesting their off season is then.

1797
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,600
Speaker 2: Right right? Oh yeah, no, no, no, they're They're on my

1798
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:21,000
short list there more.

1799
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,159
Speaker 1: We only have two teams left, and you only have

1800
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:25,840
one pick left. Who are you gonna go with? Uh?

1801
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:30,119
Speaker 2: So, my I think it's either the Warriors or the Lakers.

1802
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:33,520
Definitely a California team, And you know what, I'm tired

1803
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,760
of talking about the Lakers. I'm just going to go

1804
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:36,640
into the Warriors here.

1805
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:38,399
Speaker 1: You want to talk about the Kings again instead? We

1806
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:39,439
had some fun there.

1807
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 2: That's fun. Yeah, no, yeah, that's true. Now I want

1808
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:46,039
to I want to go to a different part of California. Look,

1809
01:24:47,319 --> 01:24:50,840
I'm not sure what this team really is, but it

1810
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,439
seems like they are constantly in the rumor mail to

1811
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:57,880
make a significant upgrade. I don't know for them what

1812
01:24:58,039 --> 01:25:01,159
constitute is the significant upgrade, but I'm I'm interested. Like

1813
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:02,960
the Anthony Malton is is out for the rest of

1814
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,840
the year. He's at twelve point eight million. It's it's

1815
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,720
debt money, but he's in on an expiring. Some teams

1816
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,279
would actually find that interesting if they can get off

1817
01:25:12,319 --> 01:25:13,159
long term money.

1818
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:16,680
Speaker 3: Gary Payton Junior, Okay, not sorry, Gary Payton. The second,

1819
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:20,800
of course, is also on an expiring. They don't really

1820
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,119
know what's gonna happen with Jonathan Kamena, like he's gonna.

1821
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:27,119
Speaker 1: Be I'm sorry, because the Warriors are the king of

1822
01:25:27,159 --> 01:25:30,239
the ramp up leaps or leaks. Excuse me, do you

1823
01:25:30,279 --> 01:25:33,119
remember the James Wiseman ramp ups? And then they basically

1824
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,720
Brian Windhorse, who I love, I love Wendy. But he

1825
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:39,560
reported that this was not verbatim, but he basically reported

1826
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,640
that the Warriors are ramping up to make a decision

1827
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:44,960
on whether they're going to keep forri trades.

1828
01:25:46,199 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 2: It's just so excuse me.

1829
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: Jonathan KAMINGA, Yeah, maybe the Warriors trade for Zion.

1830
01:25:52,039 --> 01:25:54,640
Speaker 2: I was about to say that'd be interesting, that'd be interesting. No,

1831
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:56,560
but yeah, So what do you think about Kamena? Is

1832
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,760
he a long term fit there? Or is he just is? Is?

1833
01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 3: Are we kissing him goodbye?

1834
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 1: This is hopefully Grant doesn't listen to the episodes that

1835
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:05,840
he's not on too often. I don't. I still don't

1836
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:07,880
see it with Kaminga, and I think he needs to

1837
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,520
be too heavily featured to make his best impact, and

1838
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,840
maybe the Warriors don't have enough spacing to explore the

1839
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,720
full breath of what he does as a complimentary offensive option.

1840
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:19,439
I don't see it enough consistently from him at either

1841
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:21,479
end of the floor and especially on defense, to say

1842
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,199
this is someone that can he be on a team

1843
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:27,079
and a good team. Absolutely, because I think the Warriors

1844
01:26:27,119 --> 01:26:29,520
are good team. I think they're better than a lot

1845
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:31,880
of people expected. You look at the defense six to

1846
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,960
allowed in points per possession when danfy Melton hasn't played

1847
01:26:35,239 --> 01:26:37,079
a ton. When you look at how small they are,

1848
01:26:37,159 --> 01:26:39,960
they're they're oh no, they're fourth in point slot per possession,

1849
01:26:40,039 --> 01:26:43,640
sixth in defensive rebounding without even being that huge. I

1850
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,279
think Draymond Green, the job he does defensively is still

1851
01:26:46,319 --> 01:26:48,119
just so underappreciated for some reason.

1852
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 2: M hm.

1853
01:26:49,319 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: Just with Kaminga. I'm not saying I'm actively looking to

1854
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:53,920
move him, but if it's you need to pay you,

1855
01:26:54,039 --> 01:26:57,920
they offered him reportedly between twenty five and thirty million dollars.

1856
01:26:58,159 --> 01:27:00,760
I don't feel comfortable paying Jonathan Kamena yet based off

1857
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:02,319
anything I've seen this season. I know he had the

1858
01:27:02,359 --> 01:27:06,000
great run to close last year. The preseason, you might

1859
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,319
have been able to convince me on it when he

1860
01:27:07,399 --> 01:27:09,399
was just bombing and making threes, just like the I

1861
01:27:09,399 --> 01:27:12,720
guess the rest of the team, So I think what

1862
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,319
this team needs, and then it spills into yes, he

1863
01:27:15,359 --> 01:27:19,399
should be available. They still need to be a number

1864
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:23,359
two option, and it's I think they've shown, though, what's interesting,

1865
01:27:23,359 --> 01:27:25,279
because this isn't a novel concept. I think what is

1866
01:27:25,319 --> 01:27:28,479
new about them is that they have shown their defense

1867
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,239
is so good and that their rotation is so deep

1868
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,760
that they won maybe have more players to spare than

1869
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,600
you initially thought. But my other thing is I can't

1870
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,720
name an exact archetype of player that they need to

1871
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,159
go after, but I think that they've now made their

1872
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:50,319
possibilities less finite because there's more options there to where

1873
01:27:50,319 --> 01:27:52,159
I think they're good enough. Like I'll use this as

1874
01:27:52,199 --> 01:27:53,720
an example. I think it's one that we've used in

1875
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,920
the past. I'm not saying this should be their primary target,

1876
01:27:57,359 --> 01:28:01,079
but if you ended up with Norman Powell or Anthony Simons,

1877
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:05,479
I think that's enough to say you add that type

1878
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:09,239
of offense into this equation and Okay, maybe the Warriors

1879
01:28:09,279 --> 01:28:11,159
are good enough, because I really think the thing that

1880
01:28:11,159 --> 01:28:13,800
they need to do Steph is gonna be on the court.

1881
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:16,319
In the regular season, You're gonna have an offense that

1882
01:28:16,399 --> 01:28:19,199
rates in the nine ninety nine percent tile. When he

1883
01:28:19,279 --> 01:28:22,600
is off, they're in like the fourth percentile. You want

1884
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:24,560
someone who can bring that number up a little bit,

1885
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,720
and then you want someone who can at least steal

1886
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,800
minutes alongside Steph during the playoffs, where I'm not saying

1887
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:34,720
Steph is less valuable, but defenses are gonna force you

1888
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,119
to have your supporting cast make more decisions, and so

1889
01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:40,399
you need that second I'll say, frum scratch creator or

1890
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,840
shot maker, however you want to frame it. So, yeah,

1891
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,560
do I think that Do I think they should be

1892
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:48,279
a Jimmy Butler team depending on the asking price. Absolutely?

1893
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:50,199
Do I think that they should be a Zach Lavine

1894
01:28:50,279 --> 01:28:52,079
team if the price had dropped a lot where it's

1895
01:28:52,119 --> 01:28:54,960
just money. Yeah, I'm throwing out I would like Zack

1896
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,600
Lvine on this team. But I think that they've opened

1897
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:01,119
up the world where Steph is still clearly good enough

1898
01:29:01,119 --> 01:29:04,760
to be the best player on a contender, that you

1899
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:07,359
can go get someone who is good enough to be

1900
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:11,399
let's say, a regular season second option and can at

1901
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:13,880
least scale a little bit to the playoffs and still

1902
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,720
be mostly fine. And that's why before I throw back

1903
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,880
to you, I as a Warriors fan, and just as

1904
01:29:20,079 --> 01:29:22,199
I'm not a Warriors fan. If I was a Warriors fan,

1905
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:24,439
but just as someone who covers the league and wants

1906
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:28,159
teams to actualize the best possible versions of themselves, I

1907
01:29:28,199 --> 01:29:30,640
will be absolutely livid if this trade deadline goes by

1908
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,159
and they do jack shit. And I recognize that the

1909
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:35,000
market has a lot to do with it because we

1910
01:29:35,039 --> 01:29:37,880
can't identify the one player go out and get that guy.

1911
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,239
Because look, even with Jimmy Butler, and you say the

1912
01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:42,840
same thing with any like a Zach Lvine salary player,

1913
01:29:43,399 --> 01:29:45,199
do you really want to give up Andrew Wiggins with

1914
01:29:45,239 --> 01:29:47,399
what he's done this season where he's facing the floor

1915
01:29:47,399 --> 01:29:50,560
playing good defense. With Jimmy Butler, it's probably easier to

1916
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,479
make that call, even though Butler doesn't necessarily stretch the floor.

1917
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,720
You want his creation. But like there are tough decisions

1918
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,960
to make, I just think that there are enough potential

1919
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:03,239
upgrades out there, even if it's not the star that

1920
01:30:03,359 --> 01:30:06,399
this team has established it is good enough, decent enough.

1921
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,199
It needs to think in those immediate terms.

1922
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:11,319
Speaker 2: Is that player Brandon.

1923
01:30:11,159 --> 01:30:17,119
Speaker 1: Ingram Again, if you're telling me the call the salary,

1924
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:22,479
if you're telling me the cost is Wiggins Melton and something,

1925
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:24,680
is it Moses Moody you're putting in there? Is it

1926
01:30:25,159 --> 01:30:30,000
a protected first round pick? If that's the maximum cost,

1927
01:30:30,319 --> 01:30:34,119
I would try it just because what Brandon Ingram does

1928
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,600
is not very warriors y, but it's definitely something that

1929
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:39,479
would help them during the non Steff minutes and then

1930
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,239
the playoffs, I think right.

1931
01:30:41,319 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 2: And there's also the component that guys seem to gravitate

1932
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:50,800
towards Steph Curry to the point where I wouldn't rule

1933
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:56,039
out a change and shot diet for Brandon becomes a warrior,

1934
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,680
Like I know that he's like, you know, a Midi

1935
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:04,720
law were you know, once a Kobe disciple and all that. Uh, yeah,

1936
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:06,319
that came out wrong. You know what I mean?

1937
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,079
Speaker 1: A mini is the Chicago Bulls. Well they're a bottom

1938
01:31:10,079 --> 01:31:12,359
of the MIDI lover, They're like the bottom of the middle.

1939
01:31:13,359 --> 01:31:16,640
Speaker 2: And well they they up their threes this year though.

1940
01:31:17,039 --> 01:31:19,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, we've throwed the Bulls a lot.

1941
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,760
They've been They've been entertaining to watch this year. They

1942
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:24,920
have quite faster, like they're fun.

1943
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:30,039
Speaker 2: They they they actually improved their shot profile, but they

1944
01:31:30,079 --> 01:31:31,680
did in the worst possible timing.

1945
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,119
Speaker 3: Like it just it doesn't make sense. They didn't now

1946
01:31:34,399 --> 01:31:35,039
but yeah.

1947
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: Which decides to have the most efficiencies in the career.

1948
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,199
Speaker 2: Of his career right now? It just makes no sense. Booch.

1949
01:31:40,279 --> 01:31:43,479
By the way, an interesting option for for the Warriors

1950
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:44,359
that I'm not even kidding.

1951
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 3: I don't hate that type of upgrade for them at

1952
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:47,119
the center.

1953
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 1: So I guess you can get to that money without

1954
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:53,359
giving up brandon Ingram. Excuse me, I'm just assigning players

1955
01:31:53,399 --> 01:31:57,239
to the Warriors that have Zion brandon Ingram Pelicans apparently too.

1956
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,399
Would the Warriors trade herb Jones to get food? Is

1957
01:32:00,399 --> 01:32:04,359
the question? So for real though, so Vouch's money is

1958
01:32:04,359 --> 01:32:06,880
at around like twenty million, so you could get there

1959
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:10,600
with Melton other and keep wigging. So if you could

1960
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,920
do that, but what is the other money going out?

1961
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:15,760
Because I really I think they need Garret Payton.

1962
01:32:17,399 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 2: Well, that might be the sacrifice that they have to make.

1963
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:25,680
I'm not okay, okay, So how about this? How about this,

1964
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:27,960
Like we need to expand the trade. Is there any

1965
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:31,039
way that they that they can then get Tory Craig

1966
01:32:31,079 --> 01:32:33,680
in return to sort of alleviate the loss of gear.

1967
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be I don't think that would be

1968
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:40,319
hard at all, right for you consider I know he's

1969
01:32:40,359 --> 01:32:45,560
had a good year, but like using Kevon Looney as

1970
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,159
the filler there instead of GP two.

1971
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean, look, I yeah, sure if it works,

1972
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,760
and it could be let's see, come on, Luoney is

1973
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:59,680
at eight and Melton Yeah, and yeah because straight twenty.

1974
01:33:00,079 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 1: Honestly, I hate this because he's such like an idiosyncratic

1975
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:06,640
player and he's had some like really interesting stretches for them.

1976
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,199
But if you're getting vouch, you are eliminating your need

1977
01:33:10,279 --> 01:33:13,039
for Kyle Anderson, right, So you could throw him in there.

1978
01:33:13,359 --> 01:33:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could.

1979
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,119
Speaker 1: If it's Melton and then take your pick of the

1980
01:33:17,159 --> 01:33:18,840
non Wiggans play. I think you could talk me into

1981
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,479
GP two as well, but I really think they need

1982
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,199
what he brings in the absence of Melton.

1983
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 2: The larger point here is then you won't have to

1984
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:28,920
give up Wickens. That's kind of my point here, the

1985
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:30,119
fact that you can think out.

1986
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,039
Speaker 1: And get the kudos to Andrew Wiggins by the way

1987
01:33:32,119 --> 01:33:34,800
we wouldn't be having this discussion a few months ago,

1988
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,399
and now, well, how can the Warriors figure out how

1989
01:33:36,399 --> 01:33:36,880
to keebook?

1990
01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:38,279
Speaker 3: I can't.

1991
01:33:38,399 --> 01:33:40,319
Speaker 2: I want to. I want to say that something about that.

1992
01:33:40,359 --> 01:33:46,800
By the way, I found the constant criticism last year

1993
01:33:47,279 --> 01:33:52,279
just hurled at Wickens so distasteful because it was reported

1994
01:33:52,359 --> 01:33:55,359
early on that there was, you know, a family emergency

1995
01:33:55,399 --> 01:33:57,239
and there there was like he was going through it,

1996
01:33:58,119 --> 01:34:01,399
and everyone were like, no, he's he's washed, he's done,

1997
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,640
He's not this, he's not that. Like. It was the

1998
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:07,720
perfect example of when people forget the basketball players are

1999
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:12,039
humans too, And his father unfortunately passed, and you can

2000
01:34:12,079 --> 01:34:15,279
see that him getting closer on that allowed him to

2001
01:34:15,319 --> 01:34:19,920
return to his workplace and actually perform at the level

2002
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:22,920
that he expects of himself. So kudos to Wickens for

2003
01:34:23,039 --> 01:34:26,560
also just having the patience and the with withal to

2004
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:30,920
actually block out all the stupid shit from the outside

2005
01:34:31,399 --> 01:34:34,119
and focus on himself and now focus on hoops. I

2006
01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:37,319
think that just he earned so many points with me

2007
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:39,960
for being able to do that. That's so good on him.

2008
01:34:40,199 --> 01:34:42,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely time where lines are crossed, but I

2009
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:46,359
also would point out everybody deals with stuff and still

2010
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:47,439
us to do their job, and it is going to

2011
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:49,520
get pretre, and especially when you don't have their wars.

2012
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,159
They weren't as open about it, like this was all

2013
01:34:51,239 --> 01:34:53,800
kind of known within league circles. But when he's entitled

2014
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:56,640
to his privacy, I get why fans could be frustrated

2015
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:58,119
with his play, but there's a point where you go

2016
01:34:58,159 --> 01:34:59,520
when you're attacking players.

2017
01:34:59,159 --> 01:35:00,359
Speaker 3: Personally, it's just right.

2018
01:35:00,359 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 2: So I totally agree with that, and that that was

2019
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,640
the thing it bothered me a lot. Like again, people

2020
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,760
were throwing him into trades all the time, like and

2021
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:10,239
calling him washed and he'll never return, and it.

2022
01:35:10,279 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 3: Was just it was too much. So I'm loving this

2023
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,720
season from him. I'm love you're seeing the passion that

2024
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,000
he plays with. So I think kudos to you as

2025
01:35:19,039 --> 01:35:21,159
well for saying, hey, let's let's try to find a

2026
01:35:21,159 --> 01:35:25,159
way to keep bench wickens here because I think he

2027
01:35:25,239 --> 01:35:27,439
loves being in Golden State and playing next to Steph.

2028
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:28,840
He certainly looks like it.

2029
01:35:29,159 --> 01:35:31,560
Speaker 1: So if you playing next to Steph, I very much

2030
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:34,119
I'm gonna question your right like general like.

2031
01:35:34,199 --> 01:35:37,239
Speaker 2: You right exactly. No, it's a fair point. It's a

2032
01:35:37,239 --> 01:35:39,520
fair point. So if you can hang on to Steph

2033
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,399
to Wiggs to Draymond, and you can add a guy

2034
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:44,640
like Booch. I mean, I know he's not the guy

2035
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,720
you talked about as the second option, and I fully

2036
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:48,840
understand that.

2037
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,039
Speaker 1: You could run stuff through him though yes you can,

2038
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:52,039
Yes you can.

2039
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:55,079
Speaker 2: You can run high post low posts. You know he

2040
01:35:55,119 --> 01:35:58,439
can give you roughly eighteen twenty points per night. I

2041
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:01,520
mean I don't hate it in the in the accurate

2042
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:03,079
come production of the Warriors?

2043
01:36:03,319 --> 01:36:06,159
Speaker 1: Do you like it better than the idea of because

2044
01:36:06,199 --> 01:36:08,199
then this does cost you Wiggans unless you're really going

2045
01:36:08,279 --> 01:36:10,680
like what four or five for one? Do you like

2046
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:12,479
him in Golden State more than you like Zach Levine?

2047
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:13,680
Speaker 2: No?

2048
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:17,600
Speaker 3: I mean sac Lavine would be just ridiculous, But.

2049
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 1: Like, do you make that trade? Though you can figure

2050
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:21,800
out a way to keep GP two, but like you're

2051
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:24,399
gonna have to give up a lot Andrew. No, you're

2052
01:36:24,439 --> 01:36:26,079
gonna have to give Amanrew Wiggins as the player that

2053
01:36:26,079 --> 01:36:29,760
we were identifying as. Yeah, exactly, that's a very different

2054
01:36:31,159 --> 01:36:35,079
cost benefit analysis there, because Wiggins is more plug and play,

2055
01:36:35,159 --> 01:36:37,399
but Levine gives you the better space and the better creation.

2056
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:39,079
Your defense is gonna suffer. But do you have the

2057
01:36:39,119 --> 01:36:41,880
depth to pick that up. And then of course there's

2058
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:45,880
Levine's contract, and if you're gonna pay Kaminga, you might

2059
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:47,560
not want it on your books. But I think Levine

2060
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,439
would help out Golden State quite a bit.

2061
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:54,239
Speaker 2: Oh oh, he would. Lavine has become drastically underrated, and

2062
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:57,199
and that's a drum that I've been banging for years now.

2063
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,800
He's really good. He is offensively speaking. He I feel

2064
01:37:02,840 --> 01:37:05,159
as though you need to put him next to an

2065
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:08,079
elite player, like truly elite player, because he's never had that.

2066
01:37:08,359 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 3: He's never had that.

2067
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:14,399
Speaker 1: Do you think in terms of if they're not thinking, well,

2068
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:15,920
I guess one of these names of people like would

2069
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,119
you do? Could you see them doing like sort of

2070
01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:21,039
a contingency plan where it's, okay, we're using Melton to

2071
01:37:21,079 --> 01:37:23,359
get Dennis Shrewder for the rest of the year.

2072
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:27,039
Speaker 2: Oh like a stop gap. Would that worked?

2073
01:37:27,079 --> 01:37:30,119
Speaker 3: Let's see, because they're they're five hundred and thirty three

2074
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:32,439
thousand under the first apron.

2075
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd have to be like a dead match. I

2076
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,119
thought Shrewder was making less than twelve eight, but maybe

2077
01:37:38,119 --> 01:37:38,560
I'm wrong.

2078
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,359
Speaker 2: He's making a little bit more. I think he's thirteen something.

2079
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:45,159
That's it's I can't remember them. Yeah, so like I have.

2080
01:37:45,239 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 1: Naim, my spreadsheet has Dennis Shrewder at thirteen. It would

2081
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:50,399
just work.

2082
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:52,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would just work.

2083
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 2: It.

2084
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:55,319
Speaker 3: Well, that's interesting, that is interesting.

2085
01:37:56,399 --> 01:37:57,039
Speaker 2: What would what do?

2086
01:37:57,159 --> 01:38:00,279
Speaker 3: What do the Warriors have to relinquish? Additionally, like seconds can.

2087
01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:02,039
Speaker 1: Also give out other month Like would you give up

2088
01:38:02,079 --> 01:38:04,199
I'm not giving up kaminga in that deal? And I'm

2089
01:38:04,199 --> 01:38:05,479
not I'm probably not giving up a.

2090
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 3: First for Shrewder. No, no, no, but like seconds, right, if

2091
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:09,680
do they have seconds?

2092
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:10,600
Speaker 2: I don't even know they have.

2093
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have some seconds they could give up. Would

2094
01:38:12,279 --> 01:38:15,039
you consider giving up? No? Not as I mean they

2095
01:38:15,039 --> 01:38:17,399
never use him though I know he got hurt. But

2096
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:20,079
Moses Moody like, is that if you could structure the

2097
01:38:20,079 --> 01:38:21,399
deal where he's.

2098
01:38:22,079 --> 01:38:24,279
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a poison pill status, we need to

2099
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:24,720
but it.

2100
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 1: Is like it counts as ten point five for the Nets,

2101
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,800
so it's easily workable.

2102
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:33,199
Speaker 2: It is. You're right, yeah, because he's he's earning less

2103
01:38:33,239 --> 01:38:35,800
than six million next you know, six six million more

2104
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,000
on his deal next year, so that's definitely manageable.

2105
01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:41,000
Speaker 1: Oh, here's another name. Yeah, what do you think about

2106
01:38:41,039 --> 01:38:42,520
Colin Sexton for this team?

2107
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:46,119
Speaker 2: Oh? That's a good shout. Colin Sexton gets talked about

2108
01:38:46,159 --> 01:38:48,279
too little in terms of the Tree Kennedy. That dude

2109
01:38:48,319 --> 01:38:48,680
gets right.

2110
01:38:49,039 --> 01:38:51,079
Speaker 1: He can obviously shoot, but when he gets going downhill,

2111
01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:52,960
he is such a Yeah, he created playmaker.

2112
01:38:53,039 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 3: He puts pressure on a defense. So that's to Anthony

2113
01:38:55,039 --> 01:38:55,920
Melton and what.

2114
01:38:57,039 --> 01:38:59,640
Speaker 1: Uh probably need another what six million? How much is

2115
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:02,600
he making? Eighteen something that I ever thought I was

2116
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:04,840
going to talk about Colin Sexton on the Golden State Warriors.

2117
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:08,119
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie, but that'd be fun. So he

2118
01:39:08,199 --> 01:39:10,119
makes eighteen point three.

2119
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:14,079
Speaker 1: So that's a you need another like five million going

2120
01:39:14,079 --> 01:39:16,439
out from right states, and so that's Kevon Looney, you

2121
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:19,760
have GP two. That's the you're trading Kyle Anderson in

2122
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:25,000
that right that's that's you look at a lot of

2123
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:29,159
these players and you say they're not necessarily expendable, and

2124
01:39:29,239 --> 01:39:31,720
so it's do you want to give up if you're

2125
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,960
a Golden State? Okay, yeah, Danthy Moultain, I guess relinquishing

2126
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:36,680
his non bird rights is kind of a bummer. But

2127
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:38,760
if you get into the conversation of well, do you

2128
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:41,479
want to give up Slow Mo or GP two or

2129
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:45,560
Kevon Looney to get a Colin Sexton. Honestly, I don't

2130
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,000
think they do this for alone, but you can probably

2131
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:51,399
work with Utah where if it's Moody and Melton like that,

2132
01:39:52,039 --> 01:39:54,520
probably his framework that would work or come close to it.

2133
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,520
Speaker 2: Who would you go for if you're the Golden State Warriors,

2134
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:00,439
So you go for Colin Sexton or nic Vi.

2135
01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:04,039
Speaker 1: I go for Colin Sexton personally, I know him and

2136
01:40:04,079 --> 01:40:07,840
Steph would be small, but YO, already I guess you

2137
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:10,439
trust Booch to like he'll help float your defensive rebounding

2138
01:40:10,439 --> 01:40:13,640
into the playoffs. But look at how well a lot

2139
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:15,479
of their bigs have played this year. When you look

2140
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:17,520
at you and you look at Draymond even tj D,

2141
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,920
and I say bigs even though they're knowing they're all undersized, Right,

2142
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,680
I just I think I prefer Sexton. What about you?

2143
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 2: I'm torn. I'm honestly torn, because I do think size

2144
01:40:28,039 --> 01:40:31,000
in today's NBA has become more of a factor than

2145
01:40:31,079 --> 01:40:35,000
has been recently. And I love Colin Sexton. He's six

2146
01:40:35,079 --> 01:40:38,239
' one, He's a small dude, but he's explosive as hell.

2147
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:43,199
Supremely underrated. I could see like I need to bring

2148
01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:45,279
out like the yellow legal pad and just go pro

2149
01:40:45,359 --> 01:40:48,479
some cons for like a day before I really make

2150
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:52,920
my mind up. There I my insuition, says Vouch. But

2151
01:40:53,319 --> 01:41:03,760
I'm I could absolutely see a world wherein But like overall,

2152
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:07,279
it's a really good question, Dan, I don't know Sexton

2153
01:41:07,399 --> 01:41:09,319
or Voot like both of them would be an upgrade.

2154
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:11,760
So it's it's stealer's choice.

2155
01:41:13,319 --> 01:41:15,119
Speaker 1: Can I know we said we're gonna wrap this up.

2156
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:17,800
Can I just ask you, is there like, forget about

2157
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,520
the I'm not talking about one of the top ten players,

2158
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:22,239
but is there just a name whether they're gonna become

2159
01:41:22,239 --> 01:41:25,319
available actually or not that you actually view would be

2160
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:28,119
as an ideal get for the Warriors because Butler might

2161
01:41:28,119 --> 01:41:30,359
be realistic. I don't know if you call him my deal.

2162
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:32,960
I think he definitely helps them. Is they're like you

2163
01:41:33,039 --> 01:41:35,079
look it up and like if you said if you

2164
01:41:35,079 --> 01:41:36,920
said you thought it was Gianness, like, that's fine if

2165
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:38,319
you think that's the level of the type of player

2166
01:41:38,359 --> 01:41:42,760
they need. That's what I struggle most with Anthony Davis. Really,

2167
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:44,520
that's not going to help your offense with that's Steph

2168
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,399
at all. I don't think he's been driving more, but.

2169
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:51,039
Speaker 2: Well, I mean he's he's leveling it up with the

2170
01:41:51,039 --> 01:41:53,439
defense as well, and the rebounding, the playmaking, the high

2171
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:56,720
post the thing. I just think overall, you can get

2172
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:00,279
away with that offense with him in there, Like, do

2173
01:42:00,359 --> 01:42:00,920
you want.

2174
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 3: It to be primarily perimeter created?

2175
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:03,560
Speaker 2: That is that?

2176
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:05,319
Speaker 3: Why do you think you need a playmaker?

2177
01:42:05,399 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 2: Is that why you bring up you feel like the playoffs?

2178
01:42:07,800 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 1: Is where I'm at in my head. It feels like

2179
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:13,199
that outside egg creation right would be super valuable unless

2180
01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:15,000
you because I feel I feel like if you really

2181
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:17,319
wanted to, you could do a lot of the stuff

2182
01:42:17,359 --> 01:42:20,119
we're talking about using Draymond.

2183
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:23,520
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, then let's go Lebron. Let's go Lebron.

2184
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:28,359
Speaker 1: Honestly, the money there is so like, so Wiggins is gone, Melton.

2185
01:42:28,119 --> 01:42:31,159
Speaker 6: You just told me that even if it's you could like,

2186
01:42:31,439 --> 01:42:33,600
I'm pretty bron Bron makes sense.

2187
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:35,039
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever gonna want to leave LA,

2188
01:42:35,079 --> 01:42:37,159
but I would love to see him and Steph play together.

2189
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,880
Speaker 2: Right exactly, Like, let's go Broun.

2190
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 1: How do you just get it? How many players do

2191
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:44,039
you end up having to give up to get to

2192
01:42:44,119 --> 01:42:47,600
his number, which is he's at forty eight point seven

2193
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:50,560
this year and that's basically the number the Lakers can't. Like,

2194
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:53,079
you probably need another team because the Lakers can't take

2195
01:42:53,159 --> 01:42:55,720
back a shit ton more money because they're so close

2196
01:42:56,079 --> 01:42:58,640
to the second apron. Uh and the Warriors, we know

2197
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:00,239
they can't take back a ton more money. So how

2198
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:02,880
do you get to the forty eight point seven? Wiggins

2199
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:06,159
is twenty six point three. If we throw Melton in there,

2200
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:10,319
we're at thirty eight. We're about a thirty nine million

2201
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:14,000
at that point. So I guess, kevon Looney, I guess

2202
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,720
that gets you there? Did I just math it out?

2203
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:21,600
Speaker 2: I think you did twenty six? Let's see twelve, that's

2204
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,960
forty eight. That's forty nine. Actually yeah, and then.

2205
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:27,760
Speaker 1: Code they get you to forty seven. It's close. Yeah,

2206
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:30,399
you for another team, and you might have to send

2207
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:32,159
out another small seat three.

2208
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,720
Speaker 2: Because again you know, they're hard capped at the first

2209
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:38,039
aprins they only have five hundred and thirty three thousand

2210
01:43:39,239 --> 01:43:42,600
dollars to work with under the first apron. And then

2211
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:45,439
the problem is if you trade three for one, you

2212
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:47,399
have a roster issue as well.

2213
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 3: Well, do you?

2214
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,720
Speaker 1: So here, look at this, I think this three for

2215
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:56,439
one would work. It would so slow mo plus Melton

2216
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,359
plus Wiggins for Lebron because those three salaries amount to

2217
01:43:59,359 --> 01:44:00,760
forty seven point nine million.

2218
01:44:01,239 --> 01:44:01,720
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

2219
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:04,239
Speaker 1: So then you have the Lakers, like that's enough to

2220
01:44:04,359 --> 01:44:06,279
bring in. Oh, wait, is Lebron at forty eight or

2221
01:44:06,279 --> 01:44:06,960
is he at forty seven?

2222
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 3: I already forgot he is at forty eight point seven.

2223
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:11,159
Speaker 1: All right, So I didn't get there, So you need

2224
01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:13,720
to give up like you could do Lindy Waters get

2225
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:17,560
you there? Does that damage your rotation? You might even

2226
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:21,479
be able to, like say G. Santos would get you there,

2227
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:25,760
So that would do it like G. Santos, Slow Mo

2228
01:44:26,359 --> 01:44:30,000
Melton and Wiggins for Lebron. I don't think that guts.

2229
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:32,079
Speaker 2: Your rotation, No, no, no. But it got from a

2230
01:44:32,199 --> 01:44:36,319
roster spot perspective, because if you're so close to the

2231
01:44:36,359 --> 01:44:39,279
first apron and you're hard tapped, you can't go sign

2232
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:40,119
min deals.

2233
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:42,279
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that was a good point. Good point.

2234
01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm referring referencing. It's it's basically a

2235
01:44:46,079 --> 01:44:51,239
roster spot issue. Yeah, you'll have to I mean, you

2236
01:44:51,319 --> 01:44:53,640
still have to do it right right, but you'll have

2237
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,159
to expand it like you it has to be sort

2238
01:44:56,159 --> 01:44:57,920
of an enormous deal, like you have to give up

2239
01:44:58,319 --> 01:45:04,760
Wiggins Melting, probably Gary Payton the second Kevon Looney something else,

2240
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:09,800
and then Lebron and like two guys earning like you know,

2241
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:13,680
Cam Reddish and Jackson Hayes for example, like a three

2242
01:45:13,720 --> 01:45:14,920
for four, like a four.

2243
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:19,159
Speaker 1: For three, and you have to bring Brownie back probably

2244
01:45:19,159 --> 01:45:20,840
two in that deal. We got to fit him in there.

2245
01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:26,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep my mouth shut about that whole thing.

2246
01:45:27,279 --> 01:45:29,359
Speaker 1: Would you what if he became would you look at

2247
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:33,119
LaMelo ball if you were the Warriors?

2248
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:37,239
Speaker 2: Uh? Well it might be the one place where you

2249
01:45:37,279 --> 01:45:42,640
can mature, so sure, sure can can I ask you? Like,

2250
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:45,399
how how does he get to Post Trade? How does

2251
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:48,199
he get to to San Francisco? Is he driving or flying?

2252
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,279
If he's flying, it's cool, but it might be quicker

2253
01:45:51,279 --> 01:45:53,479
for him to just drive the way he drives.

2254
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:57,920
Speaker 1: Still, I haven't heard anything about that in a little bit, so, I.

2255
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:01,680
Speaker 2: Mean it might be outdated, It might be an outdated reference.

2256
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:06,119
Still no, But like, I still think he needs some maturity.

2257
01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:09,159
I think there are a lot of empty calories with

2258
01:46:09,239 --> 01:46:11,920
his play. But like playing next to Steph, if that

2259
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:16,760
doesn't if that doesn't give you an NPAH education, nothing does, so, Yeah,

2260
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:18,039
i'd be I'd be open to it.

2261
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 1: Any other names stand out for you before I move

2262
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:21,399
on to my final pick.

2263
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:23,159
Speaker 2: No, you brought up Cycle of Being, which was the

2264
01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:25,439
guy I bring up because I I you know.

2265
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,560
Speaker 3: Him and Steph in the same backcourt.

2266
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:31,800
Speaker 2: I mean, let's let's be real, that would be arguably

2267
01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:35,520
one of the most entertaining backcourt duoes over the past

2268
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:36,199
ten years.

2269
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:38,039
Speaker 1: You're not looking at if you're the Dubs, you're not

2270
01:46:38,039 --> 01:46:41,640
looking at CJ. McCollum, right, M.

2271
01:46:43,239 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 2: Probably not.

2272
01:46:44,199 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 1: No, you're not giving up. You don't have to go

2273
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:48,039
any picks in that scenario, I'm assuming right, Like, I

2274
01:46:48,039 --> 01:46:49,920
probably wouldn't do it. I was just curious.

2275
01:46:50,119 --> 01:46:52,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look again, if the price is right,

2276
01:46:52,119 --> 01:46:52,760
I wouldn't hate it.

2277
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 2: But he's not a guy.

2278
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:58,199
Speaker 1: What if the price is just salary no Wiggins.

2279
01:46:58,279 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, then I probably do it. Yeah, that's interesting.

2280
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:03,439
Speaker 1: I think they have good to the point and they

2281
01:47:03,479 --> 01:47:06,600
better do something, is my other pointed. So my final

2282
01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:09,680
pick came down to three teams. More the Nuggets, who

2283
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:11,600
I just really don't think can do anything. They're just

2284
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:14,600
they seem kind of desperate right now. The Jazz will

2285
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,319
do stuff, but they're bad enough, and so aside from

2286
01:47:17,359 --> 01:47:19,479
Colin Sexton, I don't find any of I don't think

2287
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:21,279
Walker Kestler gets moved. I don't find any of their

2288
01:47:21,319 --> 01:47:24,600
trade candidates that appealing between Clarkson and Collins. And again,

2289
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:27,359
they're also bad enough. So I'm going to settle on

2290
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:29,840
a small market team that I think deserves a little

2291
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:32,239
bit more shine. The Los Angeles Lakers.

2292
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:35,560
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, Mom and Pop shop for sure. Yeah.

2293
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:39,039
Speaker 1: Well they did a triple p loan Lakers. There you go.

2294
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:42,960
Look they got the I mean, I guess they don't

2295
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:44,920
have to do anything because they've proven time and again

2296
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:48,399
that they won't do anything. Aside from blame Darvin Ham,

2297
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:54,159
I just what does this team need? They're like, I

2298
01:47:54,159 --> 01:47:57,680
think it's it almost feels like they need more floor spacing.

2299
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,560
They could use kind of another creator type that's going

2300
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,479
to be more liable than Dan Russell. But they also

2301
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:04,560
they just need wings and those ways need to play

2302
01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:06,479
defense because their transition defense has.

2303
01:48:06,359 --> 01:48:08,520
Speaker 2: Been oh, you're going way too into the weeds here.

2304
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:11,159
They need something that you can you can simplify this

2305
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:13,720
by saying in a different way, they need two way guys.

2306
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:17,439
They they have so many one way players there's just

2307
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:18,760
no way that they.

2308
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:20,880
Speaker 1: There two way players. There's Anthony Davis.

2309
01:48:22,039 --> 01:48:24,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said they have so many one way players?

2310
01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:27,039
Did I say two way players? I meant they how

2311
01:48:27,039 --> 01:48:30,079
many two way players? Do they even to have one? Yeah? One,

2312
01:48:30,319 --> 01:48:33,000
that's the problem. They have so many one way players,

2313
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:35,520
and that's that's the problem. That's the issue. Like Lebron

2314
01:48:36,119 --> 01:48:37,760
for some reason, By the way, I need to address

2315
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:39,800
this because it's it's it's frustrating as sells to me.

2316
01:48:40,079 --> 01:48:42,439
So there are a lot of Lebron fans out in

2317
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:46,239
the world. They keep referencing him and his defense as

2318
01:48:46,279 --> 01:48:50,319
if you know, he's Miami Lebron defensively, which is just

2319
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:54,119
can we can we please move on? Like I get

2320
01:48:54,159 --> 01:48:56,760
that there is the occasional chase down block. That's cool,

2321
01:48:57,000 --> 01:49:01,319
love that. But he's forty. It's totally fine that he's

2322
01:49:01,319 --> 01:49:03,439
not the defender that he was at age twenty five

2323
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:06,319
to twenty six. Like for him to focus on offense,

2324
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:08,720
no worries whatsoever.

2325
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:11,319
Speaker 3: Let's just run with it. But he's not the defender

2326
01:49:11,359 --> 01:49:11,960
that he used to be.

2327
01:49:12,119 --> 01:49:16,760
Speaker 2: Let's just get that out of the way. Yeah, they

2328
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:19,079
need to wait, guys, they need guys who can defend

2329
01:49:19,079 --> 01:49:21,000
the point of attack. They need guys who can hit

2330
01:49:21,039 --> 01:49:23,199
the three. They need three and D players more or

2331
01:49:23,279 --> 01:49:26,439
less just to surround a D and Lebron. Do they

2332
01:49:26,439 --> 01:49:31,199
have those guys like circled with some of their current players.

2333
01:49:31,239 --> 01:49:33,640
I don't know, because how many teams out there would

2334
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:35,960
be like, yes, I would like to relinquish a two

2335
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:38,399
way player for your one way player. Thank you, Like

2336
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:41,119
that's not gonna happen. I don't know who that is.

2337
01:49:41,159 --> 01:49:45,640
Like are the nets open to taking on something me?

2338
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:47,800
For Dori and Phinney Smith, I don't see it.

2339
01:49:49,239 --> 01:49:51,359
Speaker 1: I think one of their problems is even though I

2340
01:49:51,359 --> 01:49:54,880
think when he's healthy, like a Jared Vanderbilt could have

2341
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:58,079
some value in that contract is in terrible when you

2342
01:49:58,079 --> 01:50:02,600
look at their salary filler, whether it's Gabe Vincent Vanderbilt,

2343
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:05,119
D'Angelo Russell on the expiring, they just don't have a

2344
01:50:05,119 --> 01:50:09,239
ton of standalone value. And so if you want standalone value, yeah,

2345
01:50:09,319 --> 01:50:11,920
Austin Reeves, I don't even like Ruy Hotchimore. Appli doesn't

2346
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:14,279
have a ton of standalone values because he doesn't give

2347
01:50:14,279 --> 01:50:18,239
you enough defensively, that is the battle they're fighting, and

2348
01:50:18,239 --> 01:50:20,800
when you get into that realm where so yes, we

2349
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:23,159
know that if they wanted to, they have swaps they

2350
01:50:23,159 --> 01:50:25,399
could give, but they can trade up to outright just

2351
01:50:25,399 --> 01:50:28,239
two first round picks, right, and those first round picks

2352
01:50:28,239 --> 01:50:31,319
are far out enough that they're they're intriguing. So you

2353
01:50:31,359 --> 01:50:34,359
would go a twenty twenty nine first and you could

2354
01:50:34,399 --> 01:50:37,199
trade a twenty thirty thirty one first right now, I

2355
01:50:37,239 --> 01:50:40,319
believe is what they have available, assuming that the Utah

2356
01:50:40,319 --> 01:50:42,600
pick the top. Yeah, it's only protected from one year,

2357
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:45,800
so you go twenty twenty nine twenty thirty one. Now

2358
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:48,800
you vary up the levels of protection. That's intriguing. But

2359
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:51,920
because you're not sending unless you're sending out someone who's

2360
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:57,960
also intriguing. People front offices. I mean, teams are gonna view, oh,

2361
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:00,359
we're taking back Gabe Vincent who only has a year left.

2362
01:51:00,399 --> 01:51:02,119
But that's part of the value the trade for you.

2363
01:51:02,119 --> 01:51:04,079
It's not doing anything for us. They might even feel

2364
01:51:04,079 --> 01:51:07,159
that way about Jared Vanderbilt. D'Angelo Russell. Yeah, I think

2365
01:51:07,159 --> 01:51:09,199
that's easy to say. Okay, he's just the salary filler

2366
01:51:09,159 --> 01:51:10,319
to make it work. He's coming off right.

2367
01:51:10,359 --> 01:51:10,640
Speaker 2: Books.

2368
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:15,039
Speaker 1: When you're at that point, though, it makes it harder

2369
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:19,199
to find someone or a package, that's com measure it.

2370
01:51:19,399 --> 01:51:23,439
That's worth giving up your last best two trade ships.

2371
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:25,680
And so a deal I came up with more was

2372
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:27,760
it's the salary filler route. I think it's like Gabe

2373
01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:32,000
Vincent d Low Vanderbilt like it's it's three for two,

2374
01:51:32,079 --> 01:51:33,880
four for two, but you have to give up your

2375
01:51:33,880 --> 01:51:36,840
two first round picks and you get back Jeremy Grant

2376
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:41,039
and Robert Williams. The third is that even so from Portland. Actually,

2377
01:51:41,039 --> 01:51:43,239
Portland's fans did not like this. If I'm Portland, I'm

2378
01:51:43,239 --> 01:51:46,319
just jumping at the opportunity two guys who aren't factoring

2379
01:51:46,359 --> 01:51:49,560
into the I would say the three years from now

2380
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:51,800
part of my program, and I can get two Lakers

2381
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:54,319
picks in twenty nine and thirty one, I do leap it.

2382
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:57,680
Portland fans generally disagreed. I think that's fine. People could disagree.

2383
01:51:57,680 --> 01:51:58,880
If you won't do what, you won't do it right.

2384
01:51:59,159 --> 01:52:01,239
I'm curious what you from both ends of the spectrum.

2385
01:52:01,319 --> 01:52:03,279
Not just would Portland do it, but is that enough

2386
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:05,520
for the Lake because you're not getting both those I

2387
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:07,319
would be shocked if you get both those players with

2388
01:52:07,359 --> 01:52:10,720
one pick, given the outgoing salary that you're sending out.

2389
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:14,439
Speaker 2: I mean, it does give them some two way pressing's upfront.

2390
01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:17,680
Now the question to me becomes what's the role because

2391
01:52:18,119 --> 01:52:21,359
Anthony Davis has not shut up over the past four

2392
01:52:21,439 --> 01:52:24,600
years about not wanting to play center, like I'm a four.

2393
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:28,039
Speaker 3: Which is just I'm still not there with it, but like.

2394
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:31,039
Speaker 2: Is he gonna expect tiy More to come in and

2395
01:52:31,079 --> 01:52:33,079
be the starting center so he can finally play the

2396
01:52:33,079 --> 01:52:35,239
four or is it going to be Jerry mc grant

2397
01:52:35,279 --> 01:52:38,560
and that starting lineup because whatever you choose there that

2398
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:39,600
might piss him off.

2399
01:52:40,199 --> 01:52:44,279
Speaker 1: Well, so no, I really, first of all, he's playing

2400
01:52:44,359 --> 01:52:46,119
enough center at this point where even if he's mad,

2401
01:52:46,199 --> 01:52:48,920
he's not pouting about it. He said stuff about it.

2402
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:52,479
But what he's doing every year eventually like he's not

2403
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:56,000
demanding the trade because of it, though true. And if

2404
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:59,439
you're getting Robert Williams the third, start him, don't start him.

2405
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:03,720
That's still let's say up to what another So Anthony

2406
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:05,520
games will sit for some, but then they'll be ten

2407
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:07,479
to twelve minutes. He could play with r W three

2408
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:08,119
where he's not.

2409
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:10,159
Speaker 2: The fun yeah, and then they can sell him on.

2410
01:53:10,199 --> 01:53:12,399
See we're actually trying to help you Okay, cool, Yeah

2411
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:14,479
I would. I don't the.

2412
01:53:14,399 --> 01:53:17,560
Speaker 1: Way I'm not above like, just throw me the two

2413
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:21,800
way guys in there. You just be super huge start Lebron,

2414
01:53:22,079 --> 01:53:25,479
Austin Reeves, Jeremy Grant, r W three, and Davis. Fuck it.

2415
01:53:26,720 --> 01:53:32,600
If your offense suffers, that's fine. Your defense would certainly be better, right, I.

2416
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:35,720
Speaker 2: Mean, that might be the kryptonite to Phoenix at the

2417
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:38,119
very least if they met in the playoffs, because they

2418
01:53:38,159 --> 01:53:39,319
don't have kryptonite.

2419
01:53:39,399 --> 01:53:41,039
Speaker 1: Is playing without Kevin Durant, so.

2420
01:53:41,319 --> 01:53:43,760
Speaker 2: That too, that too, but like they just don't have

2421
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:46,159
the size. That would at least be a major advantage

2422
01:53:46,199 --> 01:53:50,199
for the Lakers. Yeah, look, whatever gets the more two

2423
01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:53,760
way guys. I mean I was asking you if.

2424
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:56,279
Speaker 1: You think I'm sorry I'm talking over you again. No,

2425
01:53:56,279 --> 01:53:59,359
do you think that's enough for the Lakers to say

2426
01:53:59,359 --> 01:54:02,319
we will get Like it's those distant first round picks

2427
01:54:02,319 --> 01:54:05,000
are interesting, right because they have so much value to

2428
01:54:05,119 --> 01:54:07,399
both the team that is trading them and the team

2429
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:10,760
acquiring them, but also because they're so far out. If

2430
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:13,960
that is the only form of compensation, other teams can

2431
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:17,199
downplay it because those front offices know we're probably not

2432
01:54:17,199 --> 01:54:18,760
gonna be the ones making these picks.

2433
01:54:19,159 --> 01:54:20,600
Speaker 3: So, but are they unprotected?

2434
01:54:21,319 --> 01:54:24,479
Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying if they're unprotected, that's fantastic, But is

2435
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:27,079
that so From the Lakers end, it's we just gave

2436
01:54:27,119 --> 01:54:29,800
up two unprotected first round picks that are a half

2437
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:31,920
decade away, the first the soonest one's coming a half

2438
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:35,800
decade away for non stars. But from the other side

2439
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:38,520
of the spectrum, the Blazers could say, you haven't given

2440
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:41,800
up a single asset that helps us right now.

2441
01:54:42,039 --> 01:54:45,520
Speaker 2: Right again, it comes down to what the Lakers are

2442
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:48,720
thinking about their own chances, Like, if they genuinely are

2443
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:52,399
going forward to try to win a championship, yeah, you

2444
01:54:52,479 --> 01:54:54,159
probably do that deal, you probably do.

2445
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:59,000
Speaker 3: But again, are they realistic enough to know that they're.

2446
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:01,319
Speaker 2: Not getting passed? Okay, they're probably going to have a

2447
01:55:01,359 --> 01:55:05,079
pretty hard time against the Suns, the Mavericks, like even

2448
01:55:05,119 --> 01:55:08,439
the Nuggets, Like, are are we looking at a situation

2449
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:11,000
where they're self aware enough to say we have to

2450
01:55:11,039 --> 01:55:14,319
look down the line, because if they are, yeah, don't

2451
01:55:14,319 --> 01:55:15,279
trake those picks.

2452
01:55:15,399 --> 01:55:18,199
Speaker 3: But I would I would prefer, like in a nutshell,

2453
01:55:18,239 --> 01:55:18,720
I would.

2454
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:21,359
Speaker 2: Prefer more than what your return, like what you suggested,

2455
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:24,600
I would prefer more than time Lord and Jeremy Grant.

2456
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:28,000
Speaker 3: The thing is can you get more? I don't know

2457
01:55:28,079 --> 01:55:28,800
the answers to that.

2458
01:55:29,039 --> 01:55:30,760
Speaker 1: I don't know out of Portland. I mean they might

2459
01:55:30,800 --> 01:55:34,279
be willing to throw in like Repair or Chris Murray

2460
01:55:34,319 --> 01:55:35,960
and that they're not going to give you to money Kamara.

2461
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:38,560
I don't think that if that was and Blazer fans,

2462
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:39,840
this is what they were mad at. I didn't put

2463
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:41,840
this in the trade, but I mentioned could you get

2464
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:45,279
to money Kamara as well? Maybe if the Lakers included swaps. Now,

2465
01:55:45,279 --> 01:55:47,640
if he's on the table, that changes the complexion of

2466
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:50,039
everything for me because it's we're just loading up on

2467
01:55:50,119 --> 01:55:52,079
guys who play both ends of the floor. Now, I

2468
01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:53,680
just if I'm the Blazers, I need more than those

2469
01:55:53,720 --> 01:55:56,079
two first round picks to make that three parts right

2470
01:55:56,119 --> 01:55:56,399
right right?

2471
01:55:56,479 --> 01:56:01,600
Speaker 2: With Kamara? For sure, I think there might that has

2472
01:56:01,640 --> 01:56:03,159
to be a better deal out there for the Lakers.

2473
01:56:03,239 --> 01:56:05,479
But if they're giving up those picks, it feels like

2474
01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:07,079
it I.

2475
01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:09,159
Speaker 1: Feel like I agree, but it's wouldn't bring as much

2476
01:56:09,239 --> 01:56:11,359
because I think you can also get into discussion, would

2477
01:56:11,359 --> 01:56:13,000
you rather make that deal or give up one first

2478
01:56:13,039 --> 01:56:14,159
round pick and get Zack.

2479
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:21,119
Speaker 3: Lvine at least I then lean into offense.

2480
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:23,520
Speaker 1: And you figure out and that deal you mentioned his

2481
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:25,000
name before, you just figure out a way to get

2482
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:29,720
Torrey Craig back as well. Right, I don't know. I

2483
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,520
think I prefer the Blazers deal. I understand that it's

2484
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:37,520
less splashy, but I still think the best way to

2485
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:40,319
build around Lebron and Ad is to surround them with

2486
01:56:40,359 --> 01:56:43,279
a combination of as much spacing and defense as possible,

2487
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:47,319
or let's say, complimentary offense and defense as possible. Right,

2488
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:50,760
You're not gonna get a lot more complimentary than Robert

2489
01:56:50,760 --> 01:56:53,439
Willing's the third and Jeremy Grant the appeal of keeping

2490
01:56:53,479 --> 01:56:56,840
some first round equity and getting zach Lvine, but like, like,

2491
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:59,039
do the Bulls even do that trade because of all

2492
01:56:59,079 --> 01:57:01,039
the like the players that they're having to take back

2493
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:02,640
to get zach Lavine.

2494
01:57:02,640 --> 01:57:04,840
Speaker 2: There, Yeah, I was. I was actually about to say

2495
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:07,399
we even sure the Bulls would ask for a first

2496
01:57:07,479 --> 01:57:08,479
round draft pick back.

2497
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:10,680
Speaker 1: Then you should then you go to the zach Lavine route.

2498
01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:13,199
Speaker 2: But the exactly, But That's what I'm thinking, because if

2499
01:57:13,239 --> 01:57:16,079
you look at like you and I've said this during

2500
01:57:16,119 --> 01:57:19,000
the last episode, and this, like the Bulls should basically

2501
01:57:19,079 --> 01:57:19,760
just be looking to.

2502
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:22,439
Speaker 3: Get out of those steals like Sack and Booch.

2503
01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:25,399
Speaker 1: Right, you would do it if you're the Bulls, But

2504
01:57:25,479 --> 01:57:28,359
how I guess doesn't that become less realistic if you're

2505
01:57:28,399 --> 01:57:30,520
not getting back expiring like if the bull if the

2506
01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:35,399
Lakers come calling with so d Lo and Ruey get

2507
01:57:35,439 --> 01:57:38,640
you to what thirty seven about? So you need to

2508
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:40,720
come up with another. What is Zachlvine at forty eight

2509
01:57:41,159 --> 01:57:41,920
this year? No?

2510
01:57:42,039 --> 01:57:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty six, right, thirty six?

2511
01:57:45,239 --> 01:57:45,760
Speaker 1: Thirty six?

2512
01:57:46,319 --> 01:57:48,720
Speaker 2: No, no, no, thirty six for for d Lo and

2513
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:52,880
RUI roughly because it's eighteen zero point seven.

2514
01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 1: Oh so thirty all right, thirty six, you're right, I

2515
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:57,960
had I thought Ruby was making more. So that's thirty

2516
01:57:58,079 --> 01:58:02,600
five point six. Which So to get to zach Lavine's number, Oh.

2517
01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:05,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you at gate Vincent, you at Gabe Vincent, and

2518
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:09,239
then it's Sack and it's Javon Carter for example, or

2519
01:58:09,319 --> 01:58:10,119
you know Tory Kreek.

2520
01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:14,960
Speaker 1: Yes, do the Bulls do they look without a pick?

2521
01:58:15,039 --> 01:58:17,039
I mean you could throw seconds if you go ahead,

2522
01:58:17,039 --> 01:58:18,199
throw seconds and there I propose.

2523
01:58:18,199 --> 01:58:20,479
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, look, I don't know the answer to that,

2524
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:22,640
but they are getting off of the money. For d Lo,

2525
01:58:23,039 --> 01:58:26,000
so like you are saving that chunk of the cash.

2526
01:58:25,800 --> 01:58:30,319
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Now the other name on the Bulls,

2527
01:58:30,680 --> 01:58:35,279
what about vouch d Lo, Jalen Chafino and seconds for Vooch?

2528
01:58:35,279 --> 01:58:35,800
Would you do it?

2529
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why not?

2530
01:58:37,239 --> 01:58:39,239
Speaker 3: Why not just get off the contract for Vooch? Yeah,

2531
01:58:39,279 --> 01:58:41,039
for sure it should.

2532
01:58:41,039 --> 01:58:43,680
Speaker 1: The Lakers consider that Vouchin Davis could probably play together.

2533
01:58:44,039 --> 01:58:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's a spacing option, and then you keep

2534
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:48,800
all your first round picks there as well.

2535
01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:50,640
Speaker 1: Look, if you can get Zachlebe without giving up first

2536
01:58:50,720 --> 01:58:53,560
round picks, as the Lakers, I really don't think they can.

2537
01:58:54,359 --> 01:58:56,319
I would do it like that shouldn't even be a question.

2538
01:58:56,359 --> 01:58:58,399
Speaker 2: Then at that point, I wouldn't be.

2539
01:58:58,399 --> 01:58:59,520
Speaker 3: Surprised if they could.

2540
01:59:00,359 --> 01:59:04,039
Speaker 2: Again, I cannot overemphasise this is enough. The Bulls are

2541
01:59:04,159 --> 01:59:07,800
horrible negotiators. I'm not even trying to bury them.

2542
01:59:08,399 --> 01:59:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to They haven't traded zach Lavine yet though.

2543
01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:13,920
They might be terrible negotiators, but they're not gonna then

2544
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:17,000
they'll trade him for you know, Josh Giddy Junior when

2545
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:18,119
he's at the end of his contract.

2546
01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 2: Is what Well, No, you're looking at it from the

2547
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:22,479
other way around. The reason they haven't traded Sack yet

2548
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:25,039
is because they just refuse to give up assets to

2549
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:25,800
dump him.

2550
01:59:26,079 --> 01:59:26,800
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

2551
01:59:27,600 --> 01:59:30,079
Speaker 2: I think they'd be very open minded to trading him

2552
01:59:30,159 --> 01:59:31,359
as long as what they.

2553
01:59:31,239 --> 01:59:33,920
Speaker 3: Got back was just less salary.

2554
01:59:34,520 --> 01:59:37,760
Speaker 1: That counters what Wendy was reporting recently though, that there

2555
01:59:37,880 --> 01:59:40,479
there's nothing more. So you think teams still want something

2556
01:59:40,479 --> 01:59:42,640
to take on Zach because then that's not a bulls thing.

2557
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:44,800
That feels like a landscape thing, because if you want

2558
01:59:44,840 --> 01:59:48,640
an asset to take back zach Lavine right now, like

2559
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:51,159
why do you want zach Lavine? Then but there's no

2560
01:59:51,239 --> 01:59:52,119
like you know what I mean?

2561
01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:55,640
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, if teams can get away with it,

2562
01:59:55,640 --> 01:59:57,439
they're going to. I think there are a lot of

2563
01:59:57,439 --> 01:59:59,399
teams out there that are just kind of playing this

2564
01:59:59,439 --> 02:00:02,720
slowly and looking at it, going look, eventually, the bulls

2565
02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:04,039
are going to come to that point where it just

2566
02:00:04,079 --> 02:00:05,880
they're just going to salary dump him, and that's when

2567
02:00:05,880 --> 02:00:09,600
we'll be ready. I do think again, it's been so

2568
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:12,039
negative that this course around him has been so nigaanive

2569
02:00:12,039 --> 02:00:15,920
like Winty himself has also been saying for a long

2570
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:19,479
time that teams are expecting the bulls to relinquish assets

2571
02:00:19,479 --> 02:00:23,840
to get off of him. If that's changed now, I'm

2572
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:27,079
not sure what's happened. He you know, he's more available

2573
02:00:27,079 --> 02:00:29,279
this year, sure, but it is.

2574
02:00:29,359 --> 02:00:31,720
Speaker 1: A contract that bad I understand, So it's I look

2575
02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:33,680
at it. I don't think so it's two years and

2576
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:36,199
ninety million is how I kind of view it, because

2577
02:00:36,199 --> 02:00:38,039
this year, you know, by the time he gets moved,

2578
02:00:38,039 --> 02:00:40,359
it's going to be halfway over. I understand. That's a

2579
02:00:40,359 --> 02:00:43,439
lot of money. Like it's just two more years. I'm

2580
02:00:43,479 --> 02:00:46,239
just if teams are still expecting the bulls to like

2581
02:00:46,359 --> 02:00:48,960
trade an asset to get off him. And to be fair,

2582
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:51,039
it is more than ninety million. It's forty six and

2583
02:00:51,079 --> 02:00:54,319
forty nine, so ninety five million, but that's a lot

2584
02:00:54,319 --> 02:00:55,920
of money.

2585
02:00:56,039 --> 02:00:59,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look, I don't know if the mark has

2586
02:00:59,159 --> 02:01:01,079
changed in terms of that, but I do know that

2587
02:01:01,239 --> 02:01:03,960
what was what the bulls didn't want to do. They

2588
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:06,680
didn't want to relinquish assets. That's why they didn't trade him.

2589
02:01:07,079 --> 02:01:09,720
I'm not sure what his market is right now. I mean,

2590
02:01:10,319 --> 02:01:12,560
we'll see, but like if they if they even if

2591
02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:15,000
they gave up, like if the Lakers then gave up

2592
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:19,239
a protected first, that would morph into two seconds if

2593
02:01:19,239 --> 02:01:22,760
it hadn't been conveyed by a certain year. I think

2594
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:25,520
that would also be very acceptable for the Bulls.

2595
02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:27,800
Speaker 1: No, I think it would. I think my problem then

2596
02:01:27,880 --> 02:01:30,960
is the Lakers, though, is like it still limits other

2597
02:01:31,039 --> 02:01:33,560
stuff that you could go do. And you're also limited

2598
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:37,119
because you're consolidating into zach Lavine, which gives you very

2599
02:01:37,159 --> 02:01:39,960
few salary anchors unless you're going to go ahead and trade.

2600
02:01:40,159 --> 02:01:42,279
I guess you're still a Vanderbilt and Reeve, so it

2601
02:01:42,279 --> 02:01:44,560
doesn't completely strip you of optionality. But if you ever

2602
02:01:44,600 --> 02:01:48,760
want to go get two way players, that's an interesting

2603
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:51,960
that's a fascinating discussion though. That's and by the way,

2604
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:54,520
you don't view them as a potential another guy who's, oh,

2605
02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:57,319
we're giving up minimal equity to get beyond salary. You

2606
02:01:57,319 --> 02:01:59,520
don't view them as a brandon Ingram team, right. I

2607
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:01,439
don't really like his fit here.

2608
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:05,840
Speaker 2: No, no, I I mean again, he would have to space,

2609
02:02:05,880 --> 02:02:09,039
he would have to be more at a defender like he has.

2610
02:02:09,159 --> 02:02:11,880
You have to be either overpowering as a as an

2611
02:02:11,880 --> 02:02:15,199
outside scorer like Sakis so you can lean into offense

2612
02:02:15,239 --> 02:02:18,920
if anything. Yeah, I think Brandon is just he's not

2613
02:02:19,159 --> 02:02:22,640
good enough offensively, so you can create an offensive by

2614
02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:24,399
didentity off of that, even though he does give you

2615
02:02:24,439 --> 02:02:28,760
some playmaking that sack, don't I would prefer the off

2616
02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:30,640
ball spacing element instead.

2617
02:02:31,359 --> 02:02:33,640
Speaker 1: Would you give up the kit and kaboot? Well, I

2618
02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:35,279
don't know if it would take the kitten kaboodle, but

2619
02:02:36,159 --> 02:02:37,760
would you go after Jimmy Butler?

2620
02:02:39,399 --> 02:02:42,600
Speaker 2: I love Jimmy, I really do. But we talked about

2621
02:02:42,600 --> 02:02:50,600
this before the spacing of Davis Lebron Jimmy. I mean

2622
02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:53,039
there's a lot of quality in that lineup, but the.

2623
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:56,479
Speaker 1: Space basically just a screen and diver and spot up

2624
02:02:56,479 --> 02:02:57,319
shooter on that team.

2625
02:02:57,359 --> 02:02:58,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

2626
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:02,279
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. No, but like you also have

2627
02:03:02,319 --> 02:03:06,199
to give up picks for and that shrinks your window incredibly.

2628
02:03:05,640 --> 02:03:14,399
Speaker 2: Right this, No, No, not, Look, that's think because I

2629
02:03:14,399 --> 02:03:16,800
don't know where the Lakers are. That's kind of my

2630
02:03:17,079 --> 02:03:20,079
issue here. Like I don't think that there is a

2631
02:03:20,119 --> 02:03:22,439
clear cut destination for them. I don't think there's a

2632
02:03:22,479 --> 02:03:25,399
clear cut path for them towards the title. I don't

2633
02:03:25,439 --> 02:03:28,119
know if they're if they're basically just kind of treading

2634
02:03:28,199 --> 02:03:31,159
water until Lebron is retiring and then they kind of

2635
02:03:31,159 --> 02:03:33,960
pivot off into something else from there, because it just

2636
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:37,680
seems as though right now, as current construction constructed, I

2637
02:03:37,720 --> 02:03:39,760
don't believe in them to win the title at all.

2638
02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:43,239
Speaker 1: I just don't, and I don't do you view them

2639
02:03:43,279 --> 02:03:45,600
any of the names we mentioned or trades do you

2640
02:03:45,600 --> 02:03:47,520
think make them?

2641
02:03:48,920 --> 02:03:51,680
Speaker 2: So there is all right, So there is an upside

2642
02:03:51,880 --> 02:03:54,680
in in sac. I'm not gonna lie here because again,

2643
02:03:54,720 --> 02:03:56,760
if they lean into the offense, you still have the

2644
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:59,520
defensive anchor of of Anthony Davis who takes away shots

2645
02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:01,720
at the rim, which I still to this day prioritize.

2646
02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:06,039
In a playoff context, you can have a guy like

2647
02:04:06,199 --> 02:04:09,840
Sack who finally is that off ball like very dynamic

2648
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:13,920
off ball guy who you've needed for years alongside Lebron

2649
02:04:14,479 --> 02:04:19,359
like I like Austin Reeves. But people mislabel him as

2650
02:04:19,399 --> 02:04:21,560
you know, an off ball guy. He's better with the

2651
02:04:21,600 --> 02:04:23,880
ball in his hands, he's better at as a creator,

2652
02:04:24,079 --> 02:04:27,439
like a secondary creator. If you bring Sack Lavine in there,

2653
02:04:27,479 --> 02:04:29,680
and he and this is the most important thing, that

2654
02:04:29,800 --> 02:04:32,479
he accepts his role. That he's like, you know what,

2655
02:04:32,560 --> 02:04:36,039
I'm not gonna pound the ball into the floor seven

2656
02:04:36,119 --> 02:04:39,479
times per per possession. I Am just basically grab and

2657
02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:42,159
go I'm gonna take a ton of spot up. I'm

2658
02:04:42,199 --> 02:04:45,159
gonna cut, I'm gonna, you know, back cut off guys

2659
02:04:45,199 --> 02:04:47,960
as well. I'm gonna do everything off ball, Like eighty

2660
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:49,800
percent of my stuff is gonna be off ball movement.

2661
02:04:50,399 --> 02:04:52,800
Speaker 3: If he embraces that, yeah, I.

2662
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:54,520
Speaker 2: Kind of think that moves the needle enough to the

2663
02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:56,760
point where we can't rule out that they can make

2664
02:04:56,760 --> 02:04:57,159
a run.

2665
02:04:57,840 --> 02:04:59,119
Speaker 1: Do you think they'll do something?

2666
02:05:00,319 --> 02:05:01,880
Speaker 2: Yes, but I have no idea what.

2667
02:05:03,319 --> 02:05:05,520
Speaker 1: Like end up moving just a minimum contract to give

2668
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:06,600
themselves right exactly.

2669
02:05:06,760 --> 02:05:08,920
Speaker 2: They could do a small thing, they could do a

2670
02:05:08,920 --> 02:05:11,199
big thing. I have no idea where the leaguers are going.

2671
02:05:12,119 --> 02:05:14,319
Speaker 1: I will say, if they don't do something that's like

2672
02:05:14,359 --> 02:05:18,760
an actual upgrade, it's time to I'll be on Anthony

2673
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:22,199
Davis watch leading into the off season because what are

2674
02:05:22,199 --> 02:05:23,720
you doing at that point? What's the plan?

2675
02:05:24,319 --> 02:05:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's funny you asked that.

2676
02:05:25,960 --> 02:05:28,479
Speaker 2: I just wrote an article of Forbes about basically that

2677
02:05:28,479 --> 02:05:30,319
that they need to figure out a plan because I

2678
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:31,960
have no idea where they go from here.

2679
02:05:31,960 --> 02:05:36,840
Speaker 1: With Ad, I have none. Again, I think if you want,

2680
02:05:37,119 --> 02:05:40,520
if Lebron and Ad are players, you view as good

2681
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:43,520
as they are the centerpieces of your team. You are obligated,

2682
02:05:43,560 --> 02:05:45,640
and you have been obligated, and you have failed on

2683
02:05:45,680 --> 02:05:49,720
those obligations to better optimize and upgrade the roster around, right.

2684
02:05:50,520 --> 02:05:55,279
Speaker 2: I will say this, if Anthony Davis gets available in Atlanta, Dallas,

2685
02:05:55,479 --> 02:05:59,000
Dallas should be looking at every option available under the

2686
02:05:59,079 --> 02:05:59,920
sun to go get them.

2687
02:06:00,279 --> 02:06:04,000
Speaker 3: No, get out of here, oh Luca Davis, Yes, sir.

2688
02:06:04,439 --> 02:06:05,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not doing that.

2689
02:06:06,119 --> 02:06:06,439
Speaker 3: I don't.

2690
02:06:06,479 --> 02:06:08,279
Speaker 1: I think the setup they have now is better for

2691
02:06:08,319 --> 02:06:09,560
the playoffs.

2692
02:06:10,640 --> 02:06:13,199
Speaker 2: I think they need like a dominant big I love

2693
02:06:13,279 --> 02:06:15,720
Derek Lively and I don't think they should necessarily give

2694
02:06:15,800 --> 02:06:19,239
him up, but I absolutely think they need a super

2695
02:06:19,319 --> 02:06:21,159
versatile big man next to Luca.

2696
02:06:21,399 --> 02:06:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate that idea.

2697
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:23,399
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think.

2698
02:06:23,479 --> 02:06:25,359
Speaker 1: I don't hate it, But you're like, how are you

2699
02:06:25,399 --> 02:06:26,520
getting there without Kayrie?

2700
02:06:26,760 --> 02:06:29,880
Speaker 2: That's the thing that's and that's that therein lies the issue.

2701
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:31,840
It's how to get there. But that, like, that's one

2702
02:06:31,880 --> 02:06:35,720
scene that should just basically go into brainstorm.

2703
02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:37,800
Speaker 3: Mode and go, Okay, how can we get him here.

2704
02:06:38,079 --> 02:06:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't think these are two teams he would want

2705
02:06:39,800 --> 02:06:41,039
to go to, but you know where he would be

2706
02:06:41,119 --> 02:06:44,279
fun as hell. I was being serious about Atlanta and

2707
02:06:44,279 --> 02:06:46,199
maybe he would want to go there. But Atlanta with

2708
02:06:46,279 --> 02:06:52,760
him and Dyson and Trey Young, that's like you. I

2709
02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:55,399
wouldn't move Zachary Resche either for a d I don't

2710
02:06:55,439 --> 02:06:57,399
think so you would have that would be a team,

2711
02:06:57,560 --> 02:06:59,119
but you are to be really fun.

2712
02:06:59,399 --> 02:07:03,640
Speaker 3: Detroit, Oh kid? Yeah, Kate and Ivy?

2713
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:06,800
Speaker 1: All right about Ivy to get a D on. I

2714
02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:08,760
think Ivy's been better this year, but I would consider it.

2715
02:07:10,199 --> 02:07:14,159
Speaker 3: So just like the caid A, d ron Holland Core long.

2716
02:07:14,079 --> 02:07:19,720
Speaker 1: Term, Yeah, I lo I or Asaar Thompson insert one

2717
02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:20,600
of those guys there.

2718
02:07:21,239 --> 02:07:23,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, the timelines are a little bit off, but I

2719
02:07:23,199 --> 02:07:24,640
don't hate it. I don't know.

2720
02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:26,880
Speaker 1: I don't hate it either. What about they would never

2721
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:29,319
do it? Indiana would be really fun? Him in Siakam

2722
02:07:29,359 --> 02:07:29,960
with Hallie.

2723
02:07:30,239 --> 02:07:35,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So you're bringing up these elite playmakers and stray.

2724
02:07:36,279 --> 02:07:43,239
I'm almost counting Kate Cunningham in there. Yeah, but not Luca.

2725
02:07:43,600 --> 02:07:44,159
Speaker 3: What's up?

2726
02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:47,560
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm looking at the cost benefit analysis of this.

2727
02:07:47,720 --> 02:07:49,520
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, I'm just looking at you.

2728
02:07:50,319 --> 02:07:52,880
Speaker 1: And also, the teams I just mentioned are nowhere near

2729
02:07:52,920 --> 02:07:54,880
as good as Dallas at their peak, and so my

2730
02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:57,640
belief would be that what it takes to get Davis

2731
02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:01,920
would leave you inferior and also probably more fragile, if

2732
02:08:01,960 --> 02:08:04,279
we're being honest right getting into the playoffs than what

2733
02:08:04,319 --> 02:08:05,119
you have right now.

2734
02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:08,720
Speaker 2: But we agree though that Luca and ad would be ridiculous.

2735
02:08:09,079 --> 02:08:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, good Luca and insert any Luca you

2736
02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:16,560
know what, you know what would suck. Luca and Jokic,

2737
02:08:16,840 --> 02:08:17,920
they'd be awful together.

2738
02:08:18,479 --> 02:08:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, just yeah, we have to we actually have to

2739
02:08:21,000 --> 02:08:22,680
see it. We have to see it so we can

2740
02:08:22,680 --> 02:08:25,960
see how awful that would be. Yes, again, I'm leaning

2741
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:28,960
into that that is the biggest wettest dream there is

2742
02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:31,680
from Danish basketball fans right now.

2743
02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:33,560
Speaker 3: That is the Luka Yoki.

2744
02:08:33,640 --> 02:08:35,560
Speaker 2: I get at least a question a week about this,

2745
02:08:35,760 --> 02:08:38,680
and I love answering it every single time because the question,

2746
02:08:39,079 --> 02:08:41,640
even though it's worded differently every single week.

2747
02:08:41,479 --> 02:08:43,600
Speaker 3: It's basically how sick would this be?

2748
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:46,880
Speaker 2: And I'm just like very I love that it has

2749
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:49,880
to happen for Europeans everywhere. It just has to happen.

2750
02:08:50,039 --> 02:08:52,520
Speaker 1: Any other anti Damish trade destinations to mention that might

2751
02:08:52,520 --> 02:08:53,359
be fun before.

2752
02:08:53,079 --> 02:08:55,560
Speaker 2: We no, no, not now, but like when he gets

2753
02:08:55,840 --> 02:08:58,680
to the age of thirty four thirty five. He's bound

2754
02:08:58,760 --> 02:09:00,880
to become a bull, right, That's just what they do.

2755
02:09:01,000 --> 02:09:02,359
They bring their their guys home.

2756
02:09:02,720 --> 02:09:06,920
Speaker 1: Think Davis hate himself? No, I mean, will pay him

2757
02:09:06,960 --> 02:09:08,399
a bunch of money, That's what.

2758
02:09:08,319 --> 02:09:11,640
Speaker 2: I'm saying, because and then they'll have the from Chicago

2759
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:15,199
introduction and he'll be scoring like sixteen points per game

2760
02:09:15,239 --> 02:09:17,199
by then, be a defensive ability.

2761
02:09:17,640 --> 02:09:19,760
Speaker 1: They'll trade him where he wants for his age, like

2762
02:09:19,800 --> 02:09:20,800
thirty six or thirty seven.

2763
02:09:21,319 --> 02:09:24,359
Speaker 2: A year and a half into the Bulls tendre, they'll

2764
02:09:24,399 --> 02:09:27,640
trade him. Yep, exactly, Yeah, it is written.

2765
02:09:28,159 --> 02:09:30,800
Speaker 1: Do you know where he'd be really fun? And maybe

2766
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:32,680
he would wait, like would be a wave his no

2767
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:36,119
trade clause to just go to the Lakers bil Wait yeah,

2768
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:38,479
like if you did a bill for a d swap,

2769
02:09:38,520 --> 02:09:40,680
which I think a third team might need to be involved.

2770
02:09:40,680 --> 02:09:43,640
I know Ad makes less than Beal, right, unless I'm wrong, Yeah,

2771
02:09:43,720 --> 02:09:44,880
no he does, he does, but he.

2772
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:47,000
Speaker 3: Makes too much next year though, right not next year?

2773
02:09:47,119 --> 02:09:50,159
Speaker 1: No, not next year, so right now, so you'd have

2774
02:09:50,199 --> 02:09:54,640
to involve other teams here. But an ad for beal swap,

2775
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I don't know, Like, is there any appeal for bal

2776
02:09:56,720 --> 02:09:58,720
just being in Los Angeles in the face of a

2777
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:00,560
thirty four win Lakers scene next.

2778
02:10:00,479 --> 02:10:05,960
Speaker 2: Season, So so book Kati Davis, Oh my god.

2779
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:07,199
Speaker 1: That'd be nasty shit.

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02:10:07,359 --> 02:10:07,600
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2781
02:10:07,720 --> 02:10:10,279
Speaker 3: No, look, I'm gonna go on the.

2782
02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:14,359
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing. Would you get if you're the Sons,

2783
02:10:14,640 --> 02:10:16,600
You're giving up your twenty thirty one pick if they

2784
02:10:16,640 --> 02:10:18,399
asked for it? Right to make that happen.

2785
02:10:18,520 --> 02:10:23,479
Speaker 6: For Davis, Dude, I'm look, I if I'm James Jones,

2786
02:10:23,800 --> 02:10:26,119
I even go to Bradley Beale and I'm not doing

2787
02:10:26,159 --> 02:10:28,880
this like in the fake way.

2788
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:31,560
Speaker 2: I'm actually telling Bradley pel listen, I'm gonna drive you

2789
02:10:31,600 --> 02:10:33,079
to Los Angeles my damn self.

2790
02:10:33,399 --> 02:10:34,199
Speaker 1: We gotta get them away.

2791
02:10:34,279 --> 02:10:36,279
Speaker 2: We're gonna listen to n Ya all the way, on

2792
02:10:36,319 --> 02:10:38,359
the way, all the way, and we're just gonna do that.

2793
02:10:38,920 --> 02:10:41,680
Speaker 3: I don't care. I will help you move if you

2794
02:10:41,720 --> 02:10:42,359
agree to this.

2795
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't Why would you if you're Bradley Beal, why

2796
02:10:44,640 --> 02:10:46,760
would you wave your no trade clause the playof it's

2797
02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:51,960
your scenario. We've gone off the rails. I think it's

2798
02:10:51,960 --> 02:10:54,600
time to wrap it up unless you have anything to add. Uh,

2799
02:10:54,720 --> 02:10:57,479
can you tell the listeners to both of our podcasts

2800
02:10:57,479 --> 02:10:58,520
where they could find you more.

2801
02:10:59,560 --> 02:11:02,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're doing a lot of crisscross lately. Maybe

2802
02:11:02,279 --> 02:11:04,960
maybe we should just tell the listeners what that's all about,

2803
02:11:05,159 --> 02:11:08,079
because I don't think we've been too transparent about that,

2804
02:11:08,159 --> 02:11:09,680
because I know there are people who are like so,

2805
02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:11,600
so the same pot is in your feet and your

2806
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:12,279
your feet.

2807
02:11:13,359 --> 02:11:16,960
Speaker 1: Grant has decided he hates speaking with me for more

2808
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:19,720
than ten minutes at a time. Right we are recording

2809
02:11:19,760 --> 02:11:23,159
in twelve minute increment sessions, so you'll be getting one

2810
02:11:23,159 --> 02:11:27,039
full episode from myself and Grant every other month right now.

2811
02:11:27,079 --> 02:11:29,000
Speaker 2: But we're helping each other out a little bit just

2812
02:11:29,039 --> 02:11:31,359
to keep our feeds active and like we're giving grand

2813
02:11:31,359 --> 02:11:31,840
a break.

2814
02:11:32,159 --> 02:11:34,279
Speaker 3: Obviously, I lost Brian to Porik.

2815
02:11:34,039 --> 02:11:36,560
Speaker 2: As my my co host because you know, he's enjoying

2816
02:11:36,600 --> 02:11:40,199
life as she should. It was. It's it's hard on me,

2817
02:11:40,239 --> 02:11:43,239
it's good for him, so all the best luck to him.

2818
02:11:43,640 --> 02:11:45,800
So we're helping each other out a little bit, you know,

2819
02:11:45,960 --> 02:11:48,079
and and giving us some.

2820
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:49,640
Speaker 3: Flexibility in terms of the publishing.

2821
02:11:49,760 --> 02:11:51,840
Speaker 2: So I love it. You get a chance to talk

2822
02:11:51,880 --> 02:11:52,800
to you, which I joined.

2823
02:11:53,119 --> 02:11:54,920
Speaker 1: I don't think any of our listeners have complained about

2824
02:11:54,920 --> 02:11:56,720
the crossovers, But if you don't like the crossovers, I

2825
02:11:56,760 --> 02:11:58,319
will tell you the alternative is that you're going to

2826
02:11:58,359 --> 02:12:01,159
get instead of like three four episodes a week, you're

2827
02:12:01,199 --> 02:12:04,279
gonna get two. So this is just like I don't

2828
02:12:04,319 --> 02:12:06,279
think I haven't heard any complaints about it, being like

2829
02:12:06,279 --> 02:12:08,800
that's what creators do. Now, there's we probably have some

2830
02:12:08,840 --> 02:12:11,920
crossover and listenership, but you're not on YouTube. We're on YouTube,

2831
02:12:11,960 --> 02:12:12,800
so that works out well.

2832
02:12:12,720 --> 02:12:16,119
Speaker 3: Too, exactly exactly. So that's that's the way it is.

2833
02:12:16,199 --> 02:12:18,680
Speaker 2: And so if people want to listen to this podcast,

2834
02:12:19,199 --> 02:12:21,560
they can also find it over at the NBA podcast,

2835
02:12:21,560 --> 02:12:22,800
Like you can listen to it twice.

2836
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:24,880
Speaker 1: We would love so if we listen to everything we

2837
02:12:25,560 --> 02:12:28,199
publish at least four times.

2838
02:12:27,960 --> 02:12:32,359
Speaker 7: At least yes, if you're really leading team twice there

2839
02:12:32,359 --> 02:12:36,199
you go, right, But yeah, you can find my work

2840
02:12:36,239 --> 02:12:38,000
over at the NBA Podcast.

2841
02:12:38,039 --> 02:12:40,279
Speaker 2: You can also find it at a at a pope

2842
02:12:40,319 --> 02:12:44,920
carerie of different sites across the intro Wips, Yahoo.

2843
02:12:44,479 --> 02:12:47,560
Speaker 3: Sports, Forbes, Sports Illustrated.

2844
02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:52,119
Speaker 2: I think that's it, fortunately, Yeah, absolutely absolutely top fifty

2845
02:12:52,479 --> 02:12:54,239
in terms of like, yep.

2846
02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:58,640
Speaker 1: Until next time, And as always, if you've not subscribed

2847
02:12:58,640 --> 02:13:00,560
to us or the NBA podcast, what are you doing

2848
02:13:00,600 --> 02:13:03,039
with your life? We go for over two hours on

2849
02:13:03,560 --> 02:13:07,119
Western Conference teams to monitor during trade season. I hope

2850
02:13:07,119 --> 02:13:09,399
you enjoyed this. A lot of fun with mort this week,

2851
02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:12,119
and we'll be talking to you again in the future,

2852
02:13:12,279 --> 02:13:14,079
as you know. Thanks a lot more and shout out

2853
02:13:14,399 --> 02:13:17,199
the one, the Only, Grant Hughes. Of course, I really mean,

2854
02:13:17,359 --> 02:13:19,680
I really do love Grant. Yeah, and I hope, I

2855
02:13:19,680 --> 02:13:21,439
hope he doesn't hate me. But I'm still trying to

2856
02:13:21,439 --> 02:13:24,079
figure it out. We're only like five years into this partnership,

2857
02:13:24,159 --> 02:13:25,399
so try and figure that out.

2858
02:13:25,439 --> 02:13:27,399
Speaker 2: But he's a sweetheart. He's a sweetheart.

2859
02:13:27,560 --> 02:13:30,640
Speaker 1: Grant is a maze. Is the most underrated content creator

2860
02:13:30,680 --> 02:13:32,760
in this business. It's like, well there's a ton of

2861
02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:35,800
he's up there. He's a fantastic writer. H go follow

2862
02:13:35,880 --> 02:13:39,159
him to force him back on social media at Chief Hughes,

2863
02:13:39,199 --> 02:13:41,880
at GT Hughes whatever. Until next time. It is always

2864
02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:44,039
I get the shout out to one though, the only,

2865
02:13:44,359 --> 02:13:48,199
the indelible, the only truly untouchable player in trade Dawks,

2866
02:13:48,319 --> 02:13:49,520
not the least of which because he's not in the

2867
02:13:49,600 --> 02:13:50,960
NBA right now. Mister Frank Bolts