1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: All right, is that time of year. It is finally 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,719 here Draft Day and we are here to talk about 3 00:00:07,719 --> 00:00:09,400 it with you folks on the Matt Thomas Show with 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,320 Ross with Shane Hallam. We oh, thank him draft Strucks. 5 00:00:13,359 --> 00:00:14,279 We do need to thank him. 6 00:00:14,679 --> 00:00:15,039 Speaker 2: Shane. 7 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: Is like, before we get to the nuts and bolts 8 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,800 of it, we have tried for many weeks to get 9 00:00:19,839 --> 00:00:22,039 people on the show and you are available nice enough 10 00:00:22,039 --> 00:00:24,239 to come out. So thank you to Houston from us 11 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,199 for coming on the show. I know you've been busy time. 12 00:00:26,399 --> 00:00:29,280 How are you, sir? Thank you for being on our program. 13 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: Oh no, I appreciate you guys having me. It's like 14 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:36,000 Christmas Eve here. You know. I'm just waiting to wake 15 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:38,240 up and open the Presence and in a couple hours 16 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:39,719 so I'm pumped up. All right. 17 00:00:39,759 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: So before we get to the to the nuts and 18 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,200 bolts of the Texans and what they should be doing, 19 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,000 how do you set up your day? You're in front 20 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,359 of a television, you are making some phone calls. First 21 00:00:49,359 --> 00:00:51,520 of all, just generally speaking, do you think there's going 22 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,000 to be a massive amount of up and down with 23 00:00:54,119 --> 00:00:57,240 guys and teams shifting draft oders or do you think 24 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:58,679 things will stay pretty much sedentary. 25 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: I think we're going to see some movements just because 26 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,519 this draft really falls off after the top three picks. 27 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,000 I think maybe teams have kind of a second tier 28 00:01:09,519 --> 00:01:12,799 there in that four through twelve range. I think it's 29 00:01:12,799 --> 00:01:15,560 where you'll see some teams that jump up from maybe 30 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,200 the late teams early twenties into that top twelve, and 31 00:01:19,239 --> 00:01:21,040 then I think it will kind of settle down. Then 32 00:01:21,079 --> 00:01:23,799 we get late in the first teams are going to 33 00:01:23,879 --> 00:01:25,760 be hitting the end of the who they great as 34 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,280 first round draft picks, and that's when you see those 35 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,599 teams popping. We saw last year the last two picks 36 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,519 the first round. We're trade ups from the second round, 37 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,879 so I think that might happen again tonight. 38 00:01:36,439 --> 00:01:38,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Shane, I'm also going to ask you just 39 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,359 in general this draft, how do you see it in 40 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,239 terms of it being top heavy players that you have 41 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:48,000 with the first round grade and some positions of strength 42 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,120 and weakness in this draft. 43 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: I think it's top heavy. I think there's kind of 44 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,480 a big three in this draft. We have cam Ward 45 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,840 who's obviously going to go number one, Travis Hunter, the 46 00:01:58,959 --> 00:02:02,200 receiver corner from Colorado who's probably going to go number two, 47 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:04,159 and then I'm dum Carter of the edge from Penn State. 48 00:02:04,239 --> 00:02:06,200 It's probably going to go number three. I think those 49 00:02:06,239 --> 00:02:10,159 guys are the elite prospects in this draft. And then honestly, 50 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:12,719 from there it really falls off. You know, Ashton Jt, 51 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:14,840 the running back from Boise State, if he wasn't a 52 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,280 running back, I think would be in that conversation. But 53 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,719 positional value, you know we're hearing he's probably going to 54 00:02:19,759 --> 00:02:22,240 go in the top five. Because after those big three 55 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,240 it kind of falls off. I mean, I think it's 56 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,840 a strong draft in certain areas. Running back, offensive line, 57 00:02:29,039 --> 00:02:33,120 corner are all pretty strong, but not you know, not 58 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:36,280 necessarily players that you look at and you say, wow, 59 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,319 this is a blue chip, can't miss prospect. Everyone kind 60 00:02:39,319 --> 00:02:41,479 of has flaws after those top three, and that's what 61 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,800 makes this draft difficult. 62 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: Shane, if the Texas day at twenty five, would you 63 00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:50,479 be satisfied with a potential tackle guard available to them 64 00:02:50,599 --> 00:02:52,520 or do you think if they really want to make 65 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,639 a difference maker get a guy that could start potentially 66 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,879 Week one, they've got to move up in the draft. 67 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: I think it's want that difference maker. He has to 68 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,319 move up probably for Kelvin Banks out of Texas or 69 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,759 Arma Membo out of Missouri, and those two are projected 70 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,919 to go in the top twelve. So I think if 71 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,000 Houston's probably making those calls gauging how much it would take. 72 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:18,639 And you know, we know that the next area has 73 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,199 been aggressive in the past, so it certainly could happen. 74 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,680 But I'm kind of comfortable with the choices they may have. 75 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,439 Josh Connery, the tackle from Oregon, maybe doesn't have this 76 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,879 kind of upside that those top guys have, but it 77 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,240 really rock solid in a major program going up against 78 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,000 pass rushers that are going to get drafted today and tomorrow. 79 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,800 I'd be comfortable with taking him. I think Josh Simmons, 80 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,719 the off stack of Ohio State, it really depends on 81 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:46,479 the medical on his knee that he injured this year 82 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,439 is a pretty devastating injury. So you could have those 83 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:51,840 options sitting there. The question is do you want to 84 00:03:51,879 --> 00:03:53,719 wait and maybe just see those off of the tackles 85 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:55,639 fly off the board and get stuck. Yeah. 86 00:03:55,639 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: And another position of need that the Texans a lot 87 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,280 of people have them getting mocked is wide receiver. How 88 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,560 do you have the top of your wide receiver board ordered, 89 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:07,639 and who do you think that the Texans could get 90 00:04:07,639 --> 00:04:08,400 around twenty five. 91 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: I have Teed McMillan, the receiver from Arizona, just after 92 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,199 Travis Hunter from Colorado. I think ket McMillan is going 93 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,519 to go in the top twelve. I'd be surprised if 94 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,279 he falls past the Dallas Cowboys. I think for the 95 00:04:22,319 --> 00:04:25,639 Texans at twenty five, you're looking at Anika Guka, the 96 00:04:25,639 --> 00:04:28,639 wide receiver from Ohio State. It's probably the staatest option. 97 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,759 He's going to be a solid pro slot receiver. He's 98 00:04:31,759 --> 00:04:33,720 not going to be a number one. Texans don't need 99 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,839 number one. They have Nico Collins, So I think that 100 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:37,720 buk would be a really good choice if he's there, 101 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,639 or do you swing for the upside Matthew Golden out 102 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:43,040 of Texas. I have Rayton as a second round pick. 103 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,240 I'm not a big fan, but he did run a 104 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,360 four two nine, did play with some inconsistency at quarterback 105 00:04:48,399 --> 00:04:50,879 with Queen Evers. The Texas had a great college football playoff. 106 00:04:51,079 --> 00:04:53,800 I think those are the first round possibilities at receiver. 107 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,000 If I was the Texans, I would wait. I like 108 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,240 DA two in that wide receiver mix just as much 109 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:00,000 as some of those ways. 110 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: First, guys, I'm curious, Yeah, you and a lot of 111 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,240 people are down on Matthew Gold and I guess is 112 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,920 it just the lack of consistent production that bothers you 113 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:09,879 or what else would it be. 114 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: I think the lack of consist of productions there. He's never 115 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:16,639 led his team in receptions in college, and you know, 116 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:20,120 played at Houston, so I think you wanted to see 117 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,040 a little bit more of that earlier in his career. 118 00:05:22,319 --> 00:05:25,800 The other thing is he doesn't separate really well for 119 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:29,560 his athleticism. I want to see a main coverage if 120 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,120 you have that kind of speed app lessons and that 121 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,839 you're getting away from these corners and slays on out 122 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:37,000 on ends, and he's not doing that. Too many contested 123 00:05:37,079 --> 00:05:39,800 catches for his speed. My other question with him is 124 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,759 I don't think he plays at four two nine. I mean, 125 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:44,240 he got caught multiple times this season. I think he's 126 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,639 more of a four to four speed player. So all 127 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,879 these things mixed, I would rather be more comfortable with 128 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:49,600 him in round two. 129 00:05:50,199 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: Shane Hallum joining US Shane P. Hallam on Twitter, Draft 130 00:05:53,519 --> 00:05:56,920 Sharks dot Com as the website, Shane shad Or Sanders 131 00:05:56,959 --> 00:05:58,519 everybody's got an opinion, what's yours. 132 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: I'm not there with with youador I have him. He's 133 00:06:03,399 --> 00:06:06,360 thirty ninth on my big board. I haven't readen this 134 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,160 the second round pick. I think he's I think he's good, 135 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,800 but it feels to me like this quarterback class outside 136 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,920 of cam Ward, is a lot of reaching for what 137 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:18,759 you hope can become a franchise quarterback instead of a 138 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,560 player with the traces of a franchise quarterback. I think 139 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,000 Sanders is really smart between the ears. He knows how 140 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,680 to manipulate safetyes. He does a lot of advanced things well, 141 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,720 but his arm is average. And in today's NFL, where 142 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,519 the defense is like the two deep safeties, you have 143 00:06:32,639 --> 00:06:34,600 to have a cover two beater on the sideline, you 144 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:36,839 have to have a cover three beater, and I don't 145 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,360 think he has the arm to do that at the 146 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,959 NFL level. And a lot of the just just tendencies 147 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,160 in the pocket, bad habits of drifting backwards when there's 148 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,240 no one wide open. I think there's a lot of 149 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,360 development that he needs. So if he goes in the 150 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,639 top ten, I think it's a mistake. Now he goes 151 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,720 late first, or we've seen some mocksers fall into the 152 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:57,560 second round, then I'm all for it. Draft them, developm 153 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,720 and sit them behind someone. But I don't think he's 154 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:01,319 ready to be an NFL quarterback yet. 155 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: So as you know, teams can find some good value 156 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:07,360 in the third and fourth rounds. I see you have 157 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:11,000 Jalen Royals of the Utah State mock to the Texans 158 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,240 in the third round. Who are some guys? Can you 159 00:07:13,279 --> 00:07:15,199 just tell us some more about him? And then some 160 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,160 other guys you think they could provide some value in 161 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,360 those middle rounds. 162 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: I'm a really big fan of Jalen Royals out of 163 00:07:21,639 --> 00:07:24,040 Utah State. I think he'll be a solid third round pick. 164 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,480 Turns into a running back with the ball in his hands. 165 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:28,800 Their whole offense was get the ball to him and 166 00:07:28,839 --> 00:07:31,920 let him do great things. I questioned his route running, 167 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,759 and then as a Senior Bowl he tore it up. 168 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,279 He beat first round corners in one on one route. 169 00:07:37,639 --> 00:07:39,920 So I think Runs could be a Rashi Rice type 170 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,279 of player that you're using in different ways and can 171 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:46,000 have a lot of production. I really like some of 172 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,480 the tight ends too. On Day two, which the Texans 173 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,519 could potentially look at. Terence Ferguson the tight end of 174 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:57,879 Organ is really interesting. He's explosive. Organ's offense doesn't really 175 00:07:57,959 --> 00:08:00,639 utilize the tight end. He was so good old stick 176 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,600 Jason Whitten route that they had to use him and 177 00:08:04,079 --> 00:08:06,240 force the passes that way. So I like him, and 178 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:09,079 I'll drop one more name, Charles Grant. You ot to 179 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,800 the tackle out of William and Mary is getting a 180 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,800 lot of push up the board. I played almost surely 181 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,079 its own blocking scheme of William and Mary added some weight. 182 00:08:17,279 --> 00:08:19,519 Looks really good in this offseason. So for a small 183 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:21,639 school player, I think he someone's going to go in 184 00:08:21,639 --> 00:08:23,319 the top one hundred and be a difference maker on 185 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,319 the office line through Day one. 186 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: Shane, Tonight will be the biggest night for at least 187 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,040 the casual fan to watch the draft, not so much 188 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,600 to the Friday and Saturday. So tonight, as we're sitting 189 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:35,879 back having a couple of cold pops and joining this thing, 190 00:08:36,639 --> 00:08:38,720 give me one or two names that you're going to 191 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,159 hear in the first round to night. But you're thinking 192 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:45,320 this is a mistake. Now maybe not well, maybe you'll 193 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,720 be in the NFL, but way overrated. Way shouldn't be 194 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,559 a Day one pick. And ultimately, remember if you if 195 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,799 you goof up on first round picks, it does cost you. 196 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:56,440 Are there one or two names on that list, or 197 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,799 maybe you don't have one that you go tonight? Better 198 00:08:58,879 --> 00:09:00,519 not hear those names of those hes are gonna be 199 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:00,840 in trouble. 200 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: I always have a couple of those things, so but 201 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,159 don't worry. Michel Williams, the edge rusher out of Georgia. 202 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,879 It looks like he's probably going to go in the 203 00:09:10,879 --> 00:09:13,480 top twelve. I think it's a big mistake. Never had 204 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,159 the production there with a five star recruit. Long, big, rangy, explosive, 205 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,480 but he gets pushed out of so many plays with 206 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,200 just bad technique. Often want to get their hands on him. 207 00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:25,679 He's down for the count. I think he's a rotational 208 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,240 pass rusher. At bet you're taking him that high. I 209 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,159 think it is a big mistake. And I'll mention another 210 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,600 name that may pop into the first round. We'll see 211 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:39,559 Trey Amos, who's a corner out of Mississippi. I have 212 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,320 rated more as a third round pick. He's big, he's physical, 213 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:44,720 he can jam up the line, but he's so stiff 214 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,480 turning and running. I think it's day's NFL. Some of 215 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,080 these smaller receivers. He's going to really struggle if he 216 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,480 doesn't get them at the line. I think that would 217 00:09:52,519 --> 00:09:54,080 end up being a mistake if he's drafted in the 218 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:54,639 first round. 219 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: Shanehallum draft sharks dot Com. Thanks for the time, Shane. 220 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,720 I'll just let the folks know where they can find 221 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,919 your stuff at. 222 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: Go to draftsharts dot com. You can see my seven 223 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,639 round mock draft pick for every single pick in the 224 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,240 NFL draft, so check that out before it launchess tonight, Shane. 225 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:13,279 Speaker 1: Thank you for the time and enjoy this evening. All 226 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:14,879 this hard workship pay off for you this evening. 227 00:10:14,879 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for the visit, No thanks, thanks for having me. 228 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: You got it, Shane Hallim Shane P. Hallim on Twitter 229 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:20,960 Follow him tonight.