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Speaker 1: What he's up, Fellow sick goes, I am Damn Valley

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coming at you with the one, the only, the lenary,

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Mister Grant, here's we are here to draft the NBA

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stars that are most likely to be traded. Next. I'm

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gonna throw it to Grant to basically just explain this.

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But this is an exercise that I think some people

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will consider a quickbait, and I guess it sort of is.

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But this is the convert These are the conversations that

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are happening around the league every single day. As Nate

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like this is the clickbaity, But shout out to think

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subscriber Tom or the one who asked for something like this.

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We're gonna put kind of a different spin on it.

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But these are the conversations that are just happening around

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the league NonStop. It doesn't matter what time of the

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year it is, right.

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Speaker 2: Grant, Well, I mean no, it doesn't matter what time

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of year it is. And like it's actually it's kind

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of you'd be so well, I'll put it this way, like,

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yespn's got an article out today. I think it's Windhorse

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and Bon Temps talking about like, yeah, the playoffs are coming,

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but everyone's just discussing free agency, and like the thrust

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of that article is that is that free agency is

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going to be terrible, But it just underscores the idea

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that like, oh right, yeah, the play we should be

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caring about who's going to avoid the play in and

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who's climbing into the sixth spot or whatever. It's like

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transactional side, which of course, but even now like this

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teams are trying to like you know, settle playoff position.

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top five stars in the comment section or in our

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discordinateks to the podcasting through the description that you think

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are going to be traded next. Before we do that, though,

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let's spend what do you think, like sixty or seventy

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five minutes on Lebron versus steven A. How long? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Could we could we that be rate just not enough

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oxygen has been given to to to the hottest beef round.

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Speaker 1: Would you be able to explain to the kids what

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it is that we're actually doing here though.

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Speaker 2: What are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, Basically we are going to go back and forth.

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Dan and I will each draft essentially five players. Hopefully

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there'll be some sniping like you know, oh that was

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my second pick and Dan took him, you know, before

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I was ready or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I by sending you my fake orders.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you really, you've been This has been a long

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con by you over the last thirty six hours to

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really throw off my draft strategy. So we are drafting stars.

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The definition for that is fairly loose, but it's like,

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if you have any doubt about whether this guy's a star,

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you probably shouldn't pick him. So it's like, yeah, he's

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been an All Star at some point. Actually we were

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joking before. You might just say, if he's subject to

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the player Participation policy, then it's a it's a safe

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pick because he's been an All Star or All NBA

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or an award winner or whatever at some point in

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the last what three years, So you know, it's it's

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a fairly loose definition, but it's like the names, as

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we didn't put a specific timeline on it. We are

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just trying to guess the next star to be traded.

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name that is the next name traded. So like, great,

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if it's this offseason, that that should be the goal.

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a couple of these will extend into you know, next

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next offseason or next trade deadline. Maybe neither. Some of

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these guys we pick and will not be traded at all.

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Speaker 1: I guess we should bookmark this because it'd be fun

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twenty sixth trade death who's still on the team. That

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he's coming up on a new deal or they got

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out of the second apron or shape and or shape

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their luxury tax bill. I default to just like the

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higher stakes or the higher profile situations than that.

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potentially the like a possibility of being moved like pretty

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a better pick, right, like if if anybody you think

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lighter on the star trades than others, and so like

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Speaker 2: Let's draft.

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Speaker 1: We didn't determine who gets the number one picks, and

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you did the explanation. I will allow you the number

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one pick. And since we're both going to have the

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same number one pick, I kind don't think that it matters.

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so it there's only one player in consideration here who

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speculation attached to him, which is which is Kevin Durant.

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the Suns. There were reports that the two parties will

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work together to find a destination after the season. So

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for us, like he's going to be moved, Like, I

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don't know what. I wouldn't put a percentage chance on it,

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should shock me. But I'd be pretty surprised if he

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is still a member of the Suns, given how openly

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not only that they shopped him, but how openly he

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talked about it and acknowledged that he was that he

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was surprised by it. And then I think the final

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clue is just Brian. We know it was one of

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the most plugging guys around the league, but he doesn't

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say things unless they're really gonna happen, or he'll let

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you know after the fact. He said that they're gonna

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work together to find a trade and so this was like,

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what what's the percent chance that you would give Kevin

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of my questions would be some version of like, well, god, damn,

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how did they trade for Lebron or like how how

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they're like what do we got to do to keep

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him happy or something? Or like what they get for

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Devin Booker when they shipped them out because they chose

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KD over you know, something completely like off the rails

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is it that hard? Because what they'll target, I guess

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is someone that's like in his prime or someone's that

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are in their primes now that can help the team

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win because there's no incentive to lose unless he goes

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back to where you actually do you know, you get

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something by by stripping the roster down and losing games

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like it. I just it's hard to envision the Suns

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interested in that. Like, it would be shocking to me

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a huge amount of salary anyway, So like I would

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productive players that could help you win now and keep

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Speaker 1: Which I think dovetails nicely with my number one overall pick.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: Here's my thing. All the reporting says he doesn't want

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to leave Phoenix. You just mentioned what Matti Spia says

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about their never trading Devin Booker. They're not going to rebuild.

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and say oh, they got a return off of Kevin

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Durant that makes it worthwhile for Devin Booker to stay

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in Phoenix. There is you need to get either someone

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but actually opens it right away because it's not open

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right now. That's with Kevin Rant, or you need to

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get a package of picks that you can then immediately

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flip and be prepared to outbid teams for a player

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that would open your title window. And I think this

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I think that Devin Booker is one hundred second retire

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in Phoenix. I'm sure he would prefer to never play

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for another team. I look at it more so through

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the contract where it's okay, he has three years, one

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seventy five point four million dollars left, so it feels

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like we'd have another season before. Maybe he just naturally

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applies pressure to the organization. And we know, based off

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to be the ones to initiate this. This isn't gonna

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be a Mavericks with Luka Danci or even kind of

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the Kings with Dearron Fox a little bit. So that's

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where the risk is. But if I'm Devin Booker, I'm

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in the thick of my prime. I watch how the

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past couple of seasons have gone. I like, short of

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them trading Kevin Durant for someone who is better than

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Kevin Durant, I don't know how that doesn't immediately start

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the Devin Booker clock. And so the risk might be, oh, again,

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that's a twenty twenty six offseason thing, not even a

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deadline thing. But the Sun situation is just so hopeless

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that this is the pick I'm going with. So I'm

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Speaker 2: I think that's totally difficult. Like I think there's a

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real scenario where the second Durant is traded, Booker goes

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to the front office and says, like, all right, I'm out,

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it's not at least as possible. Devin Booker, I think

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is the better. Is the player that's going to be

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more suited to getting you back your own picks from Houston,

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Devin Booker sooner after a Kevin Durant trade.

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Speaker 2: There's no scenario where this happens in the reverse order though,

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right where it's like, unless it's just the Suns had

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been planning to blow it up all along and the

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Booker move with Houston materializes first. But like, Booker is

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there until Durant is not, right, like Durant has to

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be the precursor move.

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Speaker 1: I think, what I I'm afraid of it this way. I

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think it's way more likely that Kevin Durant is on

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the Phoenix Suns next year than Devin Booker gets traded

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before Kevin Durant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, I think that's right. All right, So

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I got another pick here. I we've talked about this

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guy and and kind of well, I don't know him

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in hawt Is too. Maybe that's accurate. I got to picky, honest,

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and that depends largely on another playoff disappointment, and it

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depends on like most of the reporting not being wrong,

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but like the circumstances around it changing because he has

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basically like applied pressure in the off season, gotten the

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Bucks to make some moves. Doesn't really ever, you know,

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agitate during the year. I think we get into this offseason.

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I'm not sold on the Bucks being more than like

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maybe they sneak out of the first round or whatever.

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I think that's kind of realistically, I think that's just

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about as far as they can get, especially like who

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knows what Dame now, like maybe maybe even a winning

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around is is like ambitious and given how long he's

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been there, given just you know, you look at the

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flexibility for this team. We have talked about this recently

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is just like it's just diminishing, you know. They they

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have so much money wrapped up in a couple guys.

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I don't think Kuzma helps them. I think Brook Lopez'

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free agency is going to be interesting, so I think

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it has to be honest and and weirdly like I

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still feel like less certain about that. Then There's probably

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been three or three to five instances over the last

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couple of years where it seemed much more likely that

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he was gonna be gone, But I still feel like

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he has to be the pick, just because, like, I mean,

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how long is this going to go? Really like the

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Bucks are very much like tailing off, and I think

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he's gonna want to He's finally gonna, like, not politely,

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but like professionally make it clear to the front office, like, okay,

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guys that you had a long runway it's time.

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Speaker 1: I struggled with him for a couple of reasons, and

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I think the biggest one is, if I'm the Buck,

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I'm not even thinking about this until Yannis pushes for it,

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right And because you can't your draft picks are so

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kind of spread out. There's no Suns in Houston situation

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where you could trade Giannis, get back a good chunk

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of your own draft and rebuild that way. And I

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just wonder if unless and I also kind of wondered,

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wouldn't it be a chance that Damian Millard gets moved

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first because the Bucks are either trying to maximize what's

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going on with Giannis or just Dame just decide like

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it's not working out for we hear them approaching the

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end of my contract, and you know they're gonna get

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hosed in negotiations, but then that is the impetus for Yiannis.

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Then I really struggled with him because I think the

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Bucks are at a major inflection point following this Dame

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injury specifically, and I think you and I probably would

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have agreed that how likely were they to win a

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championship at full strength this year? Certainly more likely with if.

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Speaker 2: They was going to be healthy.

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Speaker 1: So this was always going to be tough. I just

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the timeline with me when we're trying when you factor

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in the imminence if we had said by twenty twenty seven,

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I'm not even like the twenty seven deadline. I won't

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even second guess this as things lay now. But because

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we're trying to focus on, like the the actual timeline

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of it, I didn't know where to put him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough, like you certainly should as the Bucks

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try to move Dame first, I just don't know. I

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don't know how much value he has. I'm gonna hopefully

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here we have the what are his years and dollars left?

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I know we get up into the sixties towards the

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end of this current contract, But like I given this

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you know, like this isn't necessarily a type of injury

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that's gonna be like recurring. So two years, one hundred

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and twelve point six million, gonna make fifty four next year,

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fifty eight and a half the following year. That's thirty

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basically thirty five percent of the cap both seasons, which

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is a player option that second that that last year,

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Like I'm not sure who's like kicking the door down

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for that, and so, like, while I agree that Dame,

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you should you should do everything before you trade Giannis

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as the Bucks, like Giannis being traded has to be

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the last resort and or the thing that happens when

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he tells you it needs to happen. I just don't

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know how feasible it is to move Dame. Like who's

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who's got fifty plus million dollars in contracts and picks

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and is willing to give up any of that stuff

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for Dame at this stage of the game, Like, I

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don't that's just a tough fit.

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Speaker 1: I've almost tried to view it through the lens of

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wood Milwaukee. What can like if it's just their distant

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first round pick and the swat plus Dame, who does

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that get you in the conversation for is it a

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bucket of players? Is there just a name that's a

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bigger name they've said that they want, like Milwaukee's on

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their list, and that gives you a little bit of leverage.

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But you're right that that also complicates the situation too,

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because what is especially coming off of he doesn't play

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again this year, you have the specter of, Okay, well

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what does he look like next season?

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Speaker 2: Right? I mean he's not He's not at a point

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in his career where it's like a next year will

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be better like that. This is very much like you're

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just incrementally losing you know, value effectiveness, productivity every year

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from now on.

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Speaker 1: I guess what would be my follow up? But I

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guess I should wait until your third pick to ask

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this question, because if you're gonna say that Giannis is

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going to be moved next like Damian Lillard should inherently

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be on your list, then because why keep Dame at

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that point.

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Speaker 2: Of well, it's a little like Booker and Durant. It's

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like if it's if it's one, it's probably both, and

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it's just a question of the order. So yeah, you

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could you could game it and say like, well, Dame

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actually should have been the pick before Giannis. I just don't.

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It's so much easier for me to if you put

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Giannis on the market and Dame on the market, it's

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just way easier to trade Jannis. So I think that

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that kind of nudged me that way while acknowledging like, yeah,

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you should, and I just said it, you should try

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to trade Dame first. I just don't know how easy

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that's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: I guess we got to get to my second pick,

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which I'm strugg I'm kind of struggling between two players

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at the moment. I'm actually really struggling between three, and

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I'm kind of afraid to say one of them. So

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I'm probably gonna steer clear of steer clear of that

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guy for now. I'm going to go with I'm gonna

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go with Domntesebonus.

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Speaker 2: Oh that that was my next pick.

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Speaker 1: Now this gets interesting because the Kings like they are

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so incompetent. It's I honestly feel terribly for King. Did

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you see Blody de hold on?

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Speaker 2: Are you reading off of my script right now?

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Speaker 1: Is that what's happening this team is just so they

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don't know what their decision makers don't know what they're doing.

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And I'm not talking about the Mike Brown extension and dismissal.

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I'm not talking about the lead up to the Diarron

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Fox breakup, the way like what they prioritize in a

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return for him. I'm not even talking about the DeMont

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Sigonis noise, which is part of this of Okay, he's

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gonna read this is someone that has a bunch of

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years left out his contract, and the reporting is he's

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going to re evaluate the situation this summer, and you

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know what, this predated the report. But I don't blame

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him when body DeVos is back in the fold, Grant,

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did you see that? That is I just I'm not

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talking about Vloddy DVCS as the person I know he's

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beloved by Kings fans or what he did there as

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a player. He is one of the worst executions in

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the history of like basketball ops at this point and

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that was a terrible time period for Kings fans. What

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are you doing here, Wes Wilcox, the assistant GM he

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left there. I'm just this team is hopeless. They're gonna

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have to blow it up at some point. The reason

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I'm hesitant to picks a bonus is because I don't

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know what his actual trade value is. He's a very

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specific fit, which is not to say that he's bet.

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I've had him on all NBA, but three years and

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one hundred and forty million dollars finishes up in his

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age thirty one season for someone who I think the

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benefit of him is that he's shown that he doesn't

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need to necessarily be your highest volume on ball guy,

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but that is very much tied to a lot of

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his value. And I think he gives you more value

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on defense because if you have someone who could grab

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defensive rebounds and bring the ball up the floor, that

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is helping your offense, but it's also helping end possessions

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on the defensive end. I think there'd be teams interested

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in him, but you almost need to tailor your entire

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squad around him or make sure that have that second

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star who is a good fit alongside him, and it's

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not the most intuitive thing to do, so I struggle

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to find a fit. And then the second part would be,

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because we know the Kings are just awful. If if

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Sabona says he wants out, are they gonna drag this

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out because they can't get a return that they deem

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helps them remain quote unquote in the playoff picture as

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part of his departure. And so if I trusted them

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to bring in new decision makers or just say, oh,

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we're actually gonna rebuild, I might have had Sibonis as

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my number one, well my number one picked aside from

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with Kevin Durant. But I don't trust the Kings that

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I think just even as we're talking, I'm trying to think, well,

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what's the team that could talk themselves into Dolma Sabonis

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and I don't really have one at the ready and

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that sort of so I'm just going on blind faith

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here that Sabonus is gonna want out and that there

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will be teams that kind of maybe he doesn't get

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a ton of value relative to some of the other

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guys that we've talked about and that we will continue

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to talk about. But I'm just the Kings are just

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a dumpster fire, and I don't think he's gonna want

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to stay there, And I think that that's sort of

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the next Domino to all Xacremento.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good pick. I think I think the

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fact that well, again it's it's hard to know. I

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was gonna say the Kings acted very quickly with the

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Fox situation, like you know, we were We had a

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lot of conversations about like is this gonna happen at

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this deadline? Probably not, It'll be the off season or

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maybe you know, before next year, and then boom he

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was gone. So if the bonus does seek clarity, uh,

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you know, I think you could very quickly. Like by

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the way he had there's ample clarity. It's very clear

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what's like, what what the trajectory of this franchise is

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like what you know, he he can't realistically have any

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questions about what's going on, So the search for clarity

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Will is basically already over. So when he goes to

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the front office and says, like, you know, some version

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of time for me to go, we should probably based

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on precedent and have faith that like that's gonna happen

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fairly quickly. So that's why it's a good it could

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happen this offseason. He's a great high high likelihood to

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move even with all the stuff you outlined, and that

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that's a version of like just my criticism of of

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his player type over the years is like you've got

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a tailor a whole bunch of things to fit him,

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and then even when you do that, your ceiling's low

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just because of the type of player that he is.

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So it is hard to find a destination. It is

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hard to find a team that like views him as, oh,

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he's the put us over the top kind of piece,

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which is how you would have to view him. Because

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he's making forty plus million up to almost fifty in

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the last year of that deal. It's like he's not

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a he's not a mid level, you know type acquisition

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where it's like, yeah, we'll fit him in, and you

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know we we don't. He can kind of work with

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whatever set up and personnel we have, and it's like, no,

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he's got to be a central fig the central figure

476
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really in a lot of places, and given the costs

477
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,400
and his game, like that just doesn't work.

478
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,039
Speaker 1: So you know what the team is is gonna be though, right,

479
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,640
they're gonna self vision. Well, what were you gonna.

480
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,319
Speaker 2: Say, I was? The team is going to be Chicago.

481
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: In Chicago's look at how Josh Giddy to play. At

482
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,079
the end of the year, We're gonna rebuild around him.

483
00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:11,680
In Domas and bonus and we're gonna you know, ride

484
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,279
them right to the to the nine.

485
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: Don't wish that the Bulls fans are having a good

486
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,400
time or conflicted good time right now. So please don't

487
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,079
please don't wish that that team is a heart attack.

488
00:23:21,599 --> 00:23:23,279
It's fun, They're fine. I mean, I don't know. That

489
00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:25,839
doesn't account for anything meaningful, but the point.

490
00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:28,079
Speaker 1: And I didn't get to watch like the Lakers Bulls

491
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,160
ending lives he went back and when I watched it

492
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,839
multiple times, just like, what the hell? How just how Yeah,

493
00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:36,759
you have fifteen nineteen in the fourth quarter, grant the.

494
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,079
Speaker 2: Balls and like and that's not even that's like the

495
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,880
fifth most exciting interesting thing about that quarter. It's just

496
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,559
like all the little isolated plays are are yeah, okay,

497
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,279
good pick. I'm I'm stalling because I don't know. He

498
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,960
was definitely clearly the next best guy on the board.

499
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,680
We've talked about Dame. I probably should consider him here

500
00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:58,079
since we just like kind of linked him to Gianness

501
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,440
in the interest of kind of I don't know, broadening

502
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,519
the discussion. I think I think I'm gonna go Lauri

503
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,920
Markininka couldn't be traded this year because he signed that

504
00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,119
new deal that kind of put any conversation about a

505
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,000
move on hiatus for a full season. So what he

506
00:24:18,079 --> 00:24:21,119
has left now is three more years, one hundred and

507
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,640
forty nine million. He'll make twenty seven percent of the

508
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,240
cap next year, that's forty six ish. He's gonna make

509
00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:30,240
just under fifty in twenty six twenty seven, fifty almost

510
00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:35,519
fifty four in twenty seven to twenty eight. So no

511
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,799
small amount of money hasn't looked great this year. Bigger

512
00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:44,319
picture still like, do you think he fits with whatever

513
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,480
it is is happening with the Jazz right now? Like,

514
00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:49,519
because we've spent the season talking, trying to talk ourselves

515
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:53,920
into this is rookie, your second year guy X a

516
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,079
cornerstone and so far the answer is a pretty resounding no. Like,

517
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:00,759
I guess Walker Kessler is probably the mo most accomplished

518
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:02,440
of that core and he's not a second year guy.

519
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,720
But we've we've we've liked what we've seen from Philipowski,

520
00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:08,519
Isaiah Collier is interesting, Caante George still has his merits.

521
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,359
Taylor Hendricks has been out all year. We still, I think,

522
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,079
are both on board with him. There's not like a

523
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,519
tent pole star there. So what so the rebuild continues.

524
00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:21,079
What kind of year is Marketing going to have next

525
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,480
year with this team? How valuable is that versus like

526
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,039
more shit that you could get for him. So that's

527
00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:28,119
the That's the approach I'm taking, is like, he doesn't

528
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,880
make sense on this team, and I think, unlike Sabonis,

529
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,359
the range of suitors should be pretty wide because everybody

530
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,880
wants a big guy that can shoot it and like

531
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,160
can fit as like a supplementary star. The money is

532
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,480
high for that type of player. But I think he's

533
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,039
got just much broader appeal.

534
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's more scalable than someone like Sabonas, even if

535
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,119
you believe that Sabonus is the better player. I always

536
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,079
viewed his extension and he was on I considered taking

537
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,480
him with my number two pick. I always consider his

538
00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:05,240
extension is Utah purchasing his complacence for two more seasons.

539
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 2: I think I've heard you say what that bought his silence?

540
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I but I'm wondering if there's more urgency from

541
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:18,559
their perspective after the season that he's currently having to

542
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:20,400
where it's just like this has not been even close

543
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,799
to his best year, and if he has another one

544
00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:28,279
like this this contract very clearly drifts underwater, and so

545
00:26:28,319 --> 00:26:30,480
I'm wondering if there'll be more urgency on their part

546
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:32,519
to do that this year. But the other thing I

547
00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:35,640
thought about is if they have a top four pick,

548
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,519
do you think it's let's say they get I don't

549
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:39,960
even want to call it lottery lucky. They have the

550
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,480
lowest winning percents in the league right now. But if

551
00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:44,519
they get the number one or the number two pick,

552
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,640
do you think it's less likely that they move in

553
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:49,640
because they want to, Like, it's not that they're trying

554
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,240
to accelerate their rebuild because they've been in a little

555
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,200
bit longer than some of these other teams, but they

556
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,640
can build back up his value if they're actually putting

557
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,519
more talent around him. Or is that too much of

558
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:01,799
a game? Because in my head, I was like, if

559
00:27:01,799 --> 00:27:04,200
they end up like slipping to fourth, slipping to fourth

560
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,519
in the lottery and like they're not really getting to

561
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:08,640
make their own they're making a decision, but they're not

562
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,599
getting to make the decision. I've wondered if they're going

563
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,839
to decide we need to move lowery because one we

564
00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:15,200
don't know I who we're bringing in is gonna be

565
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,880
able to ensure that they help optimize it or make

566
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,559
his life easier. And then two, we just flat out

567
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:21,680
we need to figure out a way to get more

568
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,319
bites at the Apple at this point.

569
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the fascinating thing, is like, other than

570
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,640
the thunder they've got, the Jazz have the most bites

571
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,279
at the Apple right in terms of like future draft

572
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,400
the future first. So that actually is kind of a

573
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,519
complicating factor for a marketing trade, is that if you're

574
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:42,480
a team in the Jazz's position, typically what you want

575
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:45,039
are what you're saying. It's like, we want more first,

576
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,680
we want more draft equity. We're starting over, we're in

577
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,640
the infancy of our rebuild somehow three plus years in.

578
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,960
But do they need that like that? So that makes

579
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,039
it tricky, Like I'm kind of arguing again, I still

580
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:00,559
would pick. I'm still taking marketing in, but like there

581
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,880
are complications with like one you pointed to, Like at

582
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,440
some point this deal might not be viewed as positive value,

583
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,000
like now that that might need another kind of ify

584
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:12,599
season from him, but like that's on the table. And

585
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,200
then it's like, well, as the Jazz, if you're not

586
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,960
gonna say we'd like three first somehow because we got

587
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,359
more than we can use anyway, what do you want? Like,

588
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,880
what's so maybe that narrows I said, alw he's got

589
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,920
a broad spectrum of teams would be interested. Maybe it's

590
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,160
narrower than that because Utah, just like I don't know

591
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,640
what the fifty ish million dollars in salary you want

592
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,279
coming back is going to look like, like if it's

593
00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:38,640
not going to be a pick heavy package, so it

594
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,480
could be tricky. It just I kind of go with

595
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:44,519
the like which one of these things doesn't belong logic

596
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:47,279
and marking in on this team for where it is

597
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:49,799
in its trajectory, how much he's making, where he's at

598
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:53,440
in his career, he's sneakily older than you think. Uh,

599
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,279
just it doesn't it doesn't square. And so that's kind

600
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:59,319
of the that's the most dumbed down version of like

601
00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:02,480
why I think he belongs on this or not list?

602
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:03,640
But like why I picked him?

603
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: Who I want to take with my third pick? This

604
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,000
is tough. Uh, I don't want to go there's I'm

605
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:12,079
still looking at a guy that I think I'm gonna

606
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:13,279
end up. Well, I don't know. I only have three

607
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:16,640
picks left. Do we go here. I think I might

608
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,440
go here. I'm going to say John Morant, Okay, i's

609
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,440
a good time to talk. Right before we jumped on,

610
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:26,799
the Grizzlies fired Taylor Jenkins as their head coach, which

611
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,200
just I don't know if you want to spend a

612
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,960
couple of minutes on that really quickly. We're gonna do

613
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,079
it at the end. But this is a wild time

614
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:35,000
of year. You are in the playoff picture, you've not

615
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,599
been performing too well over the past month and a

616
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,160
half or whatever. I get that, but wild timing. We

617
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,240
still haven't received additional reporting on it. I don't. I'm

618
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,000
not saying that this is going to inform why they

619
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:46,680
would want to get rid of Moran, but like, this

620
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,519
is sort of a This is not indicative of a

621
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:51,079
team that has it shipped together.

622
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: That is well well said.

623
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:57,039
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm going with John Moran. But I

624
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,759
want to talk about the Taylor Jenkins. I'll get into

625
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:02,240
my justification for John Morant here. The Taylor Jenkins firing.

626
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,960
What can you even think of? I asked you you

627
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,200
could have and I like, what is the justification behind

628
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,000
doing this? Now?

629
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 2: We I don't, I don't know. We were we were

630
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:14,599
trying to It's like, oh, the Quinn Snyder take over

631
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,440
and in Atlanta that seemed late, but like as you

632
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:20,839
remembered correctly, and I didn't, Joe Prunty was an interim

633
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,880
there for a while and so like they had fired

634
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,839
the coach long before Snyder. Snyder took over late, but

635
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,799
like it's not quite the same situation. I'm sure someone

636
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:34,079
out there will remember something that is like a precedent

637
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:38,119
for this, but it it's weird timing and I think

638
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,480
the only and nobody as we're recording this seems to

639
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:43,960
have any insight into the why of it all. It

640
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,759
just it does just seem like something happened or several

641
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:51,960
somethings happened over you know, in recent weeks because the

642
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,440
Grizzlies have been playing poorly. You know, Moran's missing time,

643
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:59,279
You've seen Desmond Bane shoving Santie all Dama on the bench.

644
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:05,240
Like it's not Kumbaya situation there, which is just let's

645
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,920
go step back, because I think for a lot of

646
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,559
this year, certainly early on, like Taylor Jenkins was a

647
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:12,720
Coach of the Year candidate. I think I stumped for

648
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:15,079
him in like a roundtable we did at some point.

649
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,799
You know, this might have been November, but still, and

650
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,640
we lauded the Oh this offense, nobody's sitting screens. That's amazing, Like, oh,

651
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,960
look at the look at how creative this coaching staff

652
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,599
has become. And now here we are, uh so to

653
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,839
tie it back? So I have no good explanation. This

654
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,440
is extremely strange. Why not just wait until presumably you

655
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,920
flame out in the playoffs and then nobody's asking questions

656
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,279
about why Jenkins got fired? You just have well, we underperformed,

657
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:42,160
So that's why, uh to tie it to the Ja

658
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,079
Moran thing? Like I think, I think that's a great

659
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,319
pick because I think anything's on the table now it's

660
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,960
it really does just feel like it's maybe maybe this

661
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,200
mix has it, just doesn't have it or this group

662
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,640
has run its course with like the Jenkins jaw, I

663
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:03,519
guess Bain and Jackson Corr and I don't know. I

664
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:05,960
think Morent's a good pick for a lot of reasons,

665
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,160
Memphis maybe like, look, he's missed a ton of time

666
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,680
again this year. That player type is not going to

667
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,240
age great, especially because he's shown no signs of being

668
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,839
able to shoot it well enough from deep to offset

669
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,440
athletic declines. I know, I harp on that all the time.

670
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,160
I just really believe it, Like some guys have short primes,

671
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,680
and he just like he's like exhibit A of the

672
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,519
type of player that has a short prime. So yeah,

673
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:33,920
so like I do think, actually, can you imagine if

674
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,759
morent were on the market, there would be a lot

675
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,960
of teams. I think that would because he's like your

676
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:41,400
you're on ball, first option guy, that's young enough, you

677
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,240
could talk yourself into a change of scenery being all

678
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,440
he needs, all the all the off court stuff that's

679
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,440
happened is like far enough in the rear view to

680
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,240
where maybe it's not a concern for an acquiring team.

681
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:54,079
I think that's a great pick. That was a great

682
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:56,440
pick before the Jenkins firing. It's even better now.

683
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I look. But just to wrap up on Jenkins,

684
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,759
I try to rationalize it with the front office can't

685
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:04,359
fire themselves, and I think that they're kind of the

686
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:09,279
biggest culprits of just you look at their transactional relative

687
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:12,279
inactivity over the like or they swam on Marcus Smart

688
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:14,519
and missed, and then it's just they don't do anything,

689
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:16,759
Like you couldn't even get Torrin Phinney Smith, you salary

690
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:20,079
dump Marcus Smart. I don't know that you've given Taylor

691
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,759
Jenkins the talent to be much better than this, especially

692
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:24,839
when you factor in all the injuries they've dealt with.

693
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,640
I will say, like some of his rotations, when you

694
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,559
look like how the minutes are spread out at full strength,

695
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,519
they feel curious. But I also just wonder how much

696
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:35,359
of that is just he's like, there's just more of

697
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:39,000
this carousel of availability than with other teams. I think

698
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:41,720
his most damning thing, aside from the most recent stretch,

699
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,240
they have one of the worst records amout playoff teams

700
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,720
against teams five hundred or better. I think they're eleven

701
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,359
and twenty. As we were like, that's like nixion and

702
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,759
that's a problem. So but again it's April basically like,

703
00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:56,799
this is not if if you're worried that he's not

704
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,599
the guy, Like, that's a decision you should have made,

705
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,279
probably closer to the trade deadline, if had a more

706
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:05,880
honest conversation about it over the offseason. But I do appreciate,

707
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,519
or at least I would like to think this way

708
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,039
that the way it was leaked, they are trolling the

709
00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:14,159
Kings because they said that Taylor Jenkins was fired in person,

710
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,639
and this was Mike Brown receiving a phone call on

711
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:21,360
the way to the airport. So I respect trolling the Kings.

712
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,119
I'm just gonna choose that's how I'm gonna read it.

713
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,760
I hope everyone's okay with that. The name Marina's three

714
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,400
years left on his deal. I think that we're at

715
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:31,880
least we have to say this. If he's on the

716
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,000
Grizzlies through next season, which is probably the most likely outcome,

717
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:37,199
we're still like a year away where if they didn't

718
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:38,960
go deep in the playoffs, you're now having the John

719
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,840
Mariana conversation this like this time next year or a

720
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,519
couple months excuse me, like the twenty twenty six offseason.

721
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:47,079
That's when he has two years left on his deal.

722
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,599
He doesn't have a player option, but that can increase

723
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,840
his trade value at that point. I think there's maybe value.

724
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,000
What makes this tough is when you have Jared Jackson junior,

725
00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:59,280
when you've paid Desmond Bane, you could say we're not

726
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,079
really in a position into where we take a step

727
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:03,559
back and sort of retool and take a gap year.

728
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:05,440
But at the same time, it's like, well, you could

729
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,639
be you're not especially old. Else you don't have a

730
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:09,760
bad deal on your books. You're about to either extend

731
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,079
or renegotiate and extend Jared Jackson Junior. This is a

732
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:15,559
team that I think could go a number of different

733
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:18,880
directions into trade package. And I also think, despite what

734
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,159
Zach Kleman said after the initial speculation came out about

735
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:25,119
John Morant, one, I know this, Brant. I know you're

736
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,559
sitting down and this is probably gonna break a ton

737
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:31,000
of illusions for you. NBA front offices sometimes don't tell

738
00:35:31,039 --> 00:35:34,559
the truth. No, yeah, I'm sorry to be the guy

739
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:37,960
that breaks that for you. So I could see this

740
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:42,000
being a front office that makes the decision before John

741
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,400
Morant goes to them and decides that he's unhappy when

742
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,400
you look at his availability, some of the functional limitations

743
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,760
that you laid out, and they might say it's not

744
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,840
about John Rant not be a good player, but if

745
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,960
they don't think that they can build, let's say, a

746
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:57,960
high caliber, playoff proof offense around him, which is the

747
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,480
question that we still have about the business. Again, I

748
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,960
think it's on the front office more than anyone. I

749
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,239
don't I guess what I'm struggling with now is I

750
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,880
almost liked this pick before the Town Jenkins fire firing,

751
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,320
because now I'm like, well, if you're Grizzlies ownership, are

752
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,119
you letting the front of this front office now handle

753
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:18,000
the Ja Morant? Like, you know, do you think that

754
00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:20,320
the Zach climb does he have the latitude to say

755
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,960
like it's time to sort of reorient this roster without

756
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:27,960
Jahn Morant because you have to imagine with their transactional

757
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,559
track record of late and now going through another coach.

758
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,519
Maybe that's why you make the move, because you know

759
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:35,800
you have that latitude. But I think that honestly, it's

760
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,880
easier to focus on the Grizzlies because of the Taylor

761
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,800
Jenkins fire, like oh, things are in disarray. But it

762
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,679
also makes me wonder, Okay, well now you don't have

763
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,639
like what is the cover for this front office? And

764
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:47,840
so if your ownership, why are they the ones that

765
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,679
are making a decision on Ja Moran at all?

766
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,679
Speaker 2: Could we could we be overthinking it a little bit?

767
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,840
And now I'm gonna like not quite play Devil's advocate,

768
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,159
but like it might this just be as simple as

769
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:02,639
it's It is a himmer, It's a him or me

770
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,400
thing and and like, well you've got to things aren't

771
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,440
going great. John Moran has been a problematic presence for

772
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:13,000
going on two plus years. The front office decided, well,

773
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,000
I mean we're not let's let's just move on from

774
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:19,559
Jenkins now, and well that that means we're gonna give

775
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:23,000
the whole Morant era another year or whatever. Like Could

776
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:25,159
it just be that where where it was kind of

777
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,840
a decision between now, Obviously you can't trade Moran today,

778
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,280
you have to wait till the off season. You could

779
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,360
have waited until the off season to fire Jenkins too.

780
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,199
The timing of that is still I can't wait to

781
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,000
hear what actually precipitated this. But could it just be that?

782
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:42,440
Could it just be a we don't love it, but

783
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,440
we're gonna go with Moran and see if another coach

784
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,559
can kind of get this thing figured out, just because

785
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,559
it's it's always easier, it's always easier to fire the coach.

786
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: And it's not to say that Joa. Moran isn't transcendent either,

787
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,280
Although I am begging the Orlando Magic to stay away,

788
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,920
that's not the that's the wrong, Yeah, that's the wrong,

789
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,760
that's the wrong face. See I'm going with him at

790
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,800
number three. Don't feel too great about that one, but

791
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,760
I feel like that's the territory ran three.

792
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got there's like two or three and Dame

793
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,320
is just sitting there, which is like, I feel like

794
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,920
you should take Dame because that could undercut my honest

795
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,119
pick because Dame could be taken first. But I'm gonna

796
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:24,239
leave Dame alone. Still, I'm gonna go, oh man, all right,

797
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,159
I'm just gonna do it. I Am going to select

798
00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:31,920
Anthony Davis. Uh And that has a chance to be

799
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:37,199
dead wrong if Dallas continues to employ Nico Harrison, whose

800
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,360
fate is like just as tied to Anthony Davis, as

801
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,880
is the fate as more tied to Davis than the

802
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,239
fate of any executive to any player throughout the league,

803
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,480
probably because like, this is the guy you targeted, This

804
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,400
is the guy you prioritized over a more open bidding

805
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,480
war for Luka Doncic, this is the guy you're cool

806
00:38:55,519 --> 00:39:00,599
with paying on his next deal potentially. So really, what

807
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,519
I'm drafting is that Nico Harrison is not gonna be

808
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:09,320
making decisions in Dallas for much longer. This will just

809
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,559
be wrong if he keeps the job through all of

810
00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:14,079
next year. I just don't know how likely that, Like,

811
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,599
it's just a title wave of negative fan sentiment and

812
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:24,440
just negative coverage and just incredulous writing speaking reporting about

813
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,559
like how in the world it is Dallas in this position.

814
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:30,519
The Kyrie Irving injury is bad luck, but it does

815
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:33,880
not make it likelier that Anthony Davis is still around

816
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,599
because whatever, you if anything, Kyrie getting hurt might provide

817
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:41,480
cover to say, like, well, you know that three to

818
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:44,559
four year window we were talking about is that's kind

819
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:47,039
of wrecked now, So we got to just cut our

820
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:49,320
losses and make the best of a bad situation. Trade

821
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,159
Davis for assets start all the way over. There are

822
00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:55,360
ways this pick goes very badly for me. I am

823
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,559
just prepared to bet on the possibility of Dallas. Nico

824
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,199
Harrison needs to go, and the next person in charge is, like,

825
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,159
what is Anthony Davis doing on this roster?

826
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,119
Speaker 1: I thought about Davis too, what I struggle with with him?

827
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:12,760
Doesn't it feel like because you're mentioning, Okay, what if

828
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,960
Nico Harrison isn't in charge anymore? The next GM will

829
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,199
strip it down? What is how does like what does

830
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:20,679
the spin look like from the Dumont's oh, if they

831
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:22,719
get rid of Nico Harrison, where it's you know, look,

832
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:26,280
we played the good soldiers then, but he said doncic

833
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,960
when he said what the trade was for, we thought

834
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,000
he said Dante or something, because it's just how do

835
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:33,159
you walk? Do you? You said that you were just

836
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:35,880
so on board with this and that like Nico was

837
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,760
so spot on, so just to it feels like you

838
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,639
would either need to one get rid of Nico and

839
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:42,840
then the next person would come in and move Anthony Davis,

840
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,760
or Anthony Davis needs to ask for it, which I

841
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,199
am curious. Maybe he would. He's wanted to play with Kyrie,

842
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,039
but when is Kyrie gonna return next season? And otherwise

843
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:55,079
the Mavericks I don't think they have the cover to

844
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:58,039
move Anthony Davis because of the Luka Dancich trade. And

845
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:00,719
it's sort of the it's not we're only good money

846
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,760
after bad but you're gonna be stubborn and try and

847
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,920
see this vision out because you made such a stink

848
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,679
about what will probably go down as one of the

849
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,840
most inexplicable trades in NBA history. So it felt like

850
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,199
the scope of realistic scenarios where he would be moved

851
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,320
in the near future, was it wide enough for me

852
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,039
to take But like I'm saying that, like I might

853
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:23,280
have taken him at number five, So it just I.

854
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: Mean, so do you think it Do you think it

855
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:31,719
would be the right decision for Dallas to trade Anthony Davis?

856
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,960
Forget the likelihood of it, Like, is that what they

857
00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:34,800
should do.

858
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: A sap, Yes, because if you were getting rid of Lukadancic,

859
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,280
you have to separate the return now. But if you

860
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,920
were ever getting Lukadancic, there's no scenario on which you

861
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,639
shouldn't be starting over if you were getting rid of

862
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:47,519
lukadovicch So.

863
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 2: I agree with that. The fact that it's the right

864
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,840
decision kind of makes it seem less likely that Dallas

865
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:57,079
might But maybe they see the light and maybe, like

866
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:00,519
sometimes with bad ownership, which like, let's so far that's

867
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:03,400
that's our assessment of what's happening in Dallas. Bad ownership

868
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:10,360
is so like so easily swayed by whether it's like

869
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,679
in Sacramento, like random advisors that just get to make

870
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,000
decisions or whatever. Like I could see fans sentiment actually

871
00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:21,559
pushing the Dumonts to be like, all right, well that

872
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,320
it's pretty clear nobody's happy with this. So if we

873
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,639
just trade Davis and start all the way over, maybe

874
00:42:26,639 --> 00:42:28,880
some of the fans we lost will come back, or

875
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:31,559
maybe we'll stop. Hey, at the very least, we're gonna

876
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:35,159
get fewer fire Nico chants if we actually fire Nico. Like,

877
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,440
maybe this is the way for the for the ownership

878
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,679
group to actually, like, you know, claw back a little

879
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,280
bit of like positive favor. Uh so. But yeah, like

880
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,159
because it's ultimately because it's the right decision, it's probably

881
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:50,199
not going to get made, but we'll see. I don't

882
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:52,519
love the pick. I feel like it's a it's a reach,

883
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,960
but I just I wanted him. I wanted him on

884
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:55,840
my on my board.

885
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: Are we ready for Mott? What is this my number

886
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:58,400
four pick?

887
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got two more I've got I'm.

888
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,079
Speaker 1: Gonna go with. And I've pushed back against this person

889
00:43:04,119 --> 00:43:07,920
being included on similar exercises. I'm gonna go with Zion Williamson.

890
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:08,599
Speaker 2: Okay.

891
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:11,559
Speaker 1: And I think there are a couple of things here

892
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:14,760
that the Pelicans, if they end up winning the lottery

893
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,639
or they get someone who they think is going to

894
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:19,119
be their best player of the future, it might be

895
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:24,119
difficult to envision Zion Williamson's scaling down into a certain role,

896
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:26,840
and that would then give them the gall to look

897
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,119
at moving him. And he's played well enough to close

898
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,880
the year that you could get and just the way

899
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,199
his contract is protected, where there's weight check ins and

900
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,840
there's games played threshold that you're never technically on the

901
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,400
hook for all of it, like right like for the

902
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,440
following season the other I think, and by the way,

903
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,079
you still hear rumblings, just like unofficially about how he

904
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:50,559
wanted to be in New York all along. I don't

905
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:52,199
see the PA. I mean, I guess the Nets have stuff.

906
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:54,639
Speaker 2: Oh, I see what you're doing here. You're gonna speak

907
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,480
Zion to the Knicks into existence now?

908
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I've watched the Knicks defense for the entire season.

909
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: What they need they need, you know, like the Zion

910
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:03,159
Cat front court.

911
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 1: They probably have to trade Cat to get them to

912
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,760
make because I'm gonna money. But so the other thing though,

913
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,639
that I'm looking at, is are we sure that like

914
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:15,800
this front office, the David Griffin lead for an office

915
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,159
is gonna be the one that's hanging around past this

916
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,840
draft pick. Maybe because we've seen him make these other decisions.

917
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,880
But like it does seem as if they'll let David

918
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,679
Griffin and co change the head coach first. But if

919
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,559
you bring a new front office in here at any point,

920
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:33,920
or even just if you're talking about David Griffin hiring

921
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,960
a new head coach and you have a top four

922
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,760
pick to Jean Deay Murray, we don't know what he's

923
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,679
gonna play next season. Yeah, you did play pay Trey Murphy,

924
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:42,760
but that's kind of it. But the first thing I

925
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,840
try to look at it as if a new executive

926
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,880
came in here, given the situation the Pelicans are in

927
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,280
right now, what's the first thing they're doing. They're trading

928
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,159
Zion Williamson, right, And so the fact that that possibility

929
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:56,280
is there, I think that and a coupled with New

930
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,000
Orleans going to have a really high pick up, I

931
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,599
would feel even much if you told me that they

932
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:02,840
finished like first or second in the lottery, I might

933
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,920
have even included Zion Williams in a little bit higher.

934
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:09,519
Speaker 2: Yeah that's interesting. I mean, now, if it's Cooper flag

935
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:13,239
somehow are you if it's Cooper Flag, are they more

936
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,039
or less likely to trade Zion? Because fit wise I

937
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:17,440
could see it a little bit.

938
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 1: But I'm going to the others Devil's advocate point is

939
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,559
Zion at his pinnacle when he's healthy, is just so

940
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,880
good that it's not over trading Zion with the hope

941
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,199
of we eventually are bad enough to draft someone as

942
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,639
good or even get picks back, or we could draft

943
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:36,480
someone as good as him. It's we're hoping we get

944
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,880
someone who's like fifty percent of peaks On Williamson or something.

945
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,199
So that kind of undermines my point here. But the

946
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,360
situation in New Orleans just feels it's been sitting like

947
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,760
this for too long, and philosophically, it feels like everything

948
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,159
needs a reset with the organization and maybe even new

949
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:54,880
front office came in, they might approach just building around

950
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,599
Zion and this year's picked differently and Trey Murphy of course,

951
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:01,800
But yeah, the flagst I think personally, I think it

952
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,079
would make it more likely that they trade Zion Williams

953
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:08,119
and just maybe not because Cooper Flag is this unknown quantity.

954
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:11,039
But aren't there questions about, well, how well can Cooper

955
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:13,159
Flag score from the perimeter? So you want sure all

956
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,000
dominate guys who aren't gonna stretch the floor to you.

957
00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: So I think I think you're so right about just

958
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:26,840
like whether it's right, whether it's smart or not. Some

959
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,320
sometimes when like I don't know, frame it this way.

960
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,880
The preseason questions about a team are the same year

961
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,159
after year after year. Now it's not like Zion's been

962
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:40,000
in the league for fifteen seasons, but like, just think

963
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,480
about what we do prior to every year it's like

964
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,639
what's the biggest question for the Pelicans or like what

965
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:47,679
do the Pelicans need? And it's it seems like it's

966
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:50,000
been forever. It's like, well, there's not really anything to

967
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,599
talk about beyond like is Zion going to be healthy

968
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:55,960
and hold up? Like that's just that's been the core

969
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:59,199
thing to discuss about the Pelicans for what seems like

970
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,559
a really long time, and that just gets stale, and

971
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:04,679
so that that might be that like that's a point

972
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:06,760
in your favor picking him to be traded because like,

973
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,199
especially if the same management is there, it's just like,

974
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,280
so if Zion is still on the Pelicans going into

975
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,320
next season, even after the way he's played for this

976
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,880
stretch lately, the question is gonna be can he stay healthy?

977
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:24,840
What kind of shape is he in? Like, man isn't

978
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,280
it difficult to build around a player like this, even

979
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,000
though the upside is like it'll be the same, and

980
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:33,360
like I can just imagine the Pelicans decide and David

981
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,360
Griffin deciding, like I wou'd be nice to like run

982
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,039
a normal team or a different question than the same

983
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:43,280
one we've you know, had to wrestle with every year.

984
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: Do you think what also could be? And I didn't

985
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,159
think of this until now, isn't this like their last

986
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,199
best chance to get real value for Zion because if

987
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:55,239
you're moving him after this, it's from a position of

988
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,920
weakness when you look at how much time is left

989
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,119
on his deal, or it's also it's that end or

990
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,920
something has now gone even more wrong and maybe that

991
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:04,880
thing that went wrong is Ion himself.

992
00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:07,559
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, that's just a flipped version of like

993
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:11,119
the reality that every time he plays really well for

994
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:13,280
a long stretch, it's like, I think we need to

995
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,880
sell high like that. You know that that's just what

996
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,320
you should be thinking about now that that changes if what,

997
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:23,559
like he plays this well for all of next season

998
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:25,880
and then you're just not trading him like because he's

999
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,760
just he's great. But yeah, you're always it's just the

1000
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,360
same thing like he's he's awesome until he's not, and

1001
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,440
and there's been a lot of not because he hasn't

1002
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,440
been healthier in shape, and you're just gonna be as

1003
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,599
the Pelicans, constantly worried that while we missed, we missed

1004
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:44,239
our last chance to move him for something really good.

1005
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,079
And now there's been enough laps around the like oh

1006
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,159
hamstring again that you just can't ever trade him for value.

1007
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,199
The non guarantees help, or the partials help, but still

1008
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:57,199
like it's yeah, you would be constantly thinking about, like, oh,

1009
00:48:57,199 --> 00:49:00,079
did we miss the window? If you're the Pelicans.

1010
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,039
Speaker 1: Cool, I have a final pick.

1011
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,639
Speaker 2: I have a final pick. Okay again, I'm gonna leave Dame. Uh.

1012
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,079
There's two guys to choose between. I suspect you'll pick

1013
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:16,400
the other one. I'm gonna go with LaMelo ball. Uh.

1014
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,559
Not quite the same amount of like actual you know,

1015
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,599
substance in terms of always gonna be traded as say

1016
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,599
certainly not as Duran and even as like Sabonis. What

1017
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:32,320
you do here is a lot of reporting, well, teams

1018
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,800
will be interested if the Hornets make him available, And

1019
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,119
you couple that with like what is Charlotte's timeline? Like

1020
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:44,280
they they to John Salon is still a teenager, massive

1021
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,840
project that was, and they reached for him in this

1022
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:49,840
most recent draft. Mark Williams is like an ancient twenty

1023
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,880
three and they tried to trade they they did trade him,

1024
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,840
uh so, and now he's back and what they tried

1025
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,480
to trade him for were first and another rookie. Like

1026
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:03,639
so that suggests to me that Charlotte, and we've praised

1027
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:08,280
them for this, it is looking real long term here.

1028
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:13,719
So it's just pretty easy for me to imagine Charlotte

1029
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:18,800
moving moving Williams again, or and or Ball and just

1030
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,159
saying like, yeah, Brandon Miller is the guy, or at

1031
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:24,679
least until we get the next guy that's even younger,

1032
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,800
and we build around those two and we're just gonna

1033
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,599
we're gonna operate like we're the Thunder or the Jazz

1034
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:33,239
or whatever where we hoard picks and we just you know,

1035
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,280
this thing will develop on its own time. And LaMelo's

1036
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,800
you know, already making a rookie Max and like he's

1037
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,519
he's not like you can't say he's too old for them,

1038
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,559
but I think like he does take up a fair

1039
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:48,960
amount of the oxygen and like kind of is a

1040
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,559
defining player and if you're not trying to win now,

1041
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,239
I'm not sure that type of player has more value

1042
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,079
to you, like in person than he does as what

1043
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,599
you could turn him into pick and young asset wise,

1044
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,800
So it's just kind of a standard. He's not quite

1045
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,000
in the timeline. His value I think is fairly high

1046
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,159
because he's young and he will just improve whoever's offense.

1047
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:13,400
He goes to Orlando, and so I've got to make

1048
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,159
him the last pick because I wouldn't have felt good

1049
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:17,480
about him staying unselected.

1050
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: It's interesting he was on my list, like to be

1051
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:24,679
in the top five. Two. He just hits four years

1052
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,079
on his deal after this one, and like it's gonna

1053
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:30,519
it continues to decline in terms of what it's gonna

1054
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:32,119
be worth the cap, like twenty two and a half

1055
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:34,800
percent of salary cap during what would be his age

1056
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,440
twenty seven season. I feel like if people weren't speculating

1057
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:40,639
so much, Like if I was just to remove myself

1058
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:44,960
from that discourse, I never would have considered him, because

1059
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,599
I think it would be batshit crazy for Charlotte to

1060
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:50,119
move someone who has not asked or indicated that he

1061
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:52,360
doesn't want to be there, and when everything you just

1062
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,280
said they're so far away. It's how does moving LaMelo

1063
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:58,719
get you any clote? He clearly hasn't ruined your tank.

1064
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,679
You're gonna a bottom four two this year, and so

1065
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,239
I just unless he agitates for it, I just won't.

1066
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,360
Or unless they think that his ankles are cooked.

1067
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: Well there's that too, yeah, which, by the way.

1068
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: Is a possibility, and you're right there definitely would get

1069
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,519
and I think would also make sure cases there will

1070
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:17,840
be a wide range of teams where it's like a Utah.

1071
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:19,840
They might be in unlamental Ball, even though they're not

1072
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,559
close to competing, but in Orlando, which is a team

1073
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:24,159
that wants to make the jump to contention, or maybe

1074
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:26,519
even Detroit like they would be teams that would talk

1075
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,239
about him. So I think that certainly helps him being included.

1076
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,480
I just when you're Charlotte and you look at this team,

1077
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,719
LaMelo and Brandon Miller are the only just building blocks

1078
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,800
that you have. When one of those building blocks has

1079
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,239
already made an All Star team and is still under

1080
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,719
contract for another four years, I look at it in

1081
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,119
my mind and say, I guess, if you get like

1082
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:51,000
an absurd offer, which is always possible, this is just

1083
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,320
something I'm not even discussing until least next like the

1084
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,679
summer twenty twenty six.

1085
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, it is weird because he is still

1086
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,719
young and he's like it's on the fun Max the

1087
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:06,719
team controls there. Like, you're right. If not for the rumblings,

1088
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,320
I don't think you'd point to what If not for

1089
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,079
the rumblings, we would just be talking about Charlotte as like, well,

1090
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,920
they got like, you know, forty percent of their you know,

1091
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,239
the next great starting lineup in place because you got

1092
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,119
Miller and you got LaMelo and you just figure out

1093
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,519
the rest. It's you know, it's not like LaMelo's already

1094
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:26,320
twenty eight or whatever azon his third deal, but it's

1095
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,519
just there. We're talking about it, so we got to

1096
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:31,800
talk about it. And it just sometimes these things, you know,

1097
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:36,159
snowball from speculation into reality, and it feels like there's

1098
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,360
just enough reality, especially with just the way Charlotte has

1099
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,159
conducted business that makes it seem more likely.

1100
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it buys you if you're the front office,

1101
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,239
and buys you time. Right, If Jeff it's like, hey,

1102
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,559
our timeline's like there's eleven year timeline you can keep

1103
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:51,679
out well.

1104
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,679
Speaker 2: And you've got the he's not our guy angle, like

1105
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:56,360
this front office didn't pick him. There's always that always matters.

1106
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, so again I consider him. I'm before we get

1107
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:02,599
to my player, do you want to guess, because you

1108
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:04,639
said I'm probably gonna pick one of these two, I

1109
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:06,039
think I know who you're gonna say, and I think

1110
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:06,480
you're wrong.

1111
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: Well, so I was gonna. I was choosing between LaMelo

1112
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,880
and Jalen Brown, and I thought you might take Jalen

1113
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,440
Brown just on the Well, I'll let you speak about

1114
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:16,719
it if that is who you're gonna take.

1115
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:19,559
Speaker 1: I'm not taking Jalen Brown, okay. And I think we

1116
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:21,199
should probably go through some of the names that people

1117
00:54:21,199 --> 00:54:25,280
were expecting quickly after my final pick. And I'm curious

1118
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,800
if we'd be surprised. I'm going with Alprin Shankun.

1119
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:31,519
Speaker 2: Okay, I would say, I'm mildly surprised.

1120
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: I was. I was aiming to shock you. Let me

1121
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:34,679
try another name, Steph Curry.

1122
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:36,159
Speaker 2: Stop it.

1123
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:40,599
Speaker 1: So his contract is gonna kick it next year, five years,

1124
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:43,199
one hundred and eighty five million dollars. That is just

1125
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,639
in terms of percentage of the salary cap. It begins

1126
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:48,440
at twenty two percent and it'll decline to seventeen percent

1127
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,559
in the final that it's a player option. So his

1128
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,480
Matt like by by the time he's about to become

1129
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,639
a free agent, he'll been under a contract at nineteen

1130
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:58,159
percent of the salary cap his player options for his

1131
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,320
age twenty seven season. The top timeline just works in Houston.

1132
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,639
He was their All Star this year. Whether you think

1133
00:55:03,639 --> 00:55:06,920
he's their best player right now, there's a debate over

1134
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,320
who is their best player of the future moving forward.

1135
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:12,000
It's not the same conversation we have about the Jazz

1136
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:15,000
because Houston just has a ton of viable Canada I

1137
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:17,239
would say, what three because I'm still that high on

1138
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,719
Reed Shepherd. The reason he's here for me is we've

1139
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,679
so often defaulted to Jalen Green is going to be

1140
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,480
the money he makes more like per year, is going

1141
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:29,199
to be the money that gets sent out any consolidation trade.

1142
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,199
I'm sitting here and I'm thinking, if the Rockets make

1143
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,239
a consolidation trade, Grant, they're either going to go after

1144
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,840
elite guard or they'll be in like the Yannis sweepstakes.

1145
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,400
And those are two types of players that arguably make

1146
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,480
Alpha and Shangun expendable to you. And I think you

1147
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,599
could look at Shangun more so than Jalen Green is

1148
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:50,840
another team. If you're entering a rebuilding phase, maybe you

1149
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,039
don't view him as your tempole in the future, but

1150
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:55,320
that's someone who's young you could start to build a round.

1151
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,679
I think he certainly can like elevate your floor as

1152
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,559
an offense. And then I also under from Houston standpoint,

1153
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:04,679
it's how well will he mesh with new incoming town.

1154
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,000
Like we've seen him play with Jabari Smith, We've seen

1155
00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:08,719
him play with Aman Thompson. They've been playing him and

1156
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,079
Steven Adams together lately and just absolutely like steamrolling opponents.

1157
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,800
So I'm not saying that he's too limiting. I just

1158
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,199
think that for what they need, and because they also

1159
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,039
have Aman Thompson on this team, like that's just the fit.

1160
00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:25,280
There's just not super intuitive. They've made it work. But

1161
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,039
if you're trying to build this top notch offense, I

1162
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,480
think at some point you end up marginalizing at least

1163
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:32,159
one of them because you're not gonna put them in

1164
00:56:32,199 --> 00:56:35,119
their optimal spot when they're on the floor together. And

1165
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:37,599
so I think Alpert and Shangun is a much more

1166
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:39,639
value like I would give up more for Shangun than

1167
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:41,800
I would for Jalen Green in a trade right now,

1168
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,039
and I think that helps the Rockets in their pursuit

1169
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:48,119
of another star. And maybe I just end up being

1170
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,480
this I think was my like bigger, biggest gamble I was.

1171
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:54,440
I've I've been thinking about him since number two because

1172
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,239
it's just he's he's such a he's on such a

1173
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,320
good contract, he's so good to that team. But I

1174
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,880
also just don't like he hasn't necessarily elevated this offense

1175
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:04,559
at points to where it needs to be. There's still

1176
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:08,159
questions about his jump shot. We've seen like honestly he

1177
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,199
had more room to improve defensively, but like his progression curve,

1178
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:14,920
it's been more impressive on defense than Yeah, he's the

1179
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,760
more impressive offensive player. But for maybe what they need,

1180
00:57:18,119 --> 00:57:21,639
like if you need him to compliment more like the

1181
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:23,639
players that you have or the player that you're going

1182
00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:26,079
to trade for, I just don't know that he's as

1183
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:29,760
bankable there. And I really think I'm just twisting myself

1184
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,159
into a pretzel saying it might also just be a

1185
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:35,440
way of teams won't want alprin Shangun and that'll be

1186
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,280
the cost of doing business if you want to get

1187
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,639
the next great player.

1188
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:44,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I I think like you. Oh, it's

1189
00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:47,480
hard to say, and we do this like I'm worried

1190
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:50,079
about how he's gonna scale We're just kind of really

1191
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,199
talking about the idea of he sort of puts he's

1192
00:57:52,199 --> 00:57:54,679
a little sabonacy. I know that's a lazy comp but

1193
00:57:54,719 --> 00:57:56,320
it's like just because of what he's good at and

1194
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,119
not good at, it's just a hard you've got to

1195
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:01,960
make concessions else where, Like Jabari Smith becomes like way

1196
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,280
too important because of what he might be able to

1197
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,639
do to offset what shang Gun doesn't. Like there's that

1198
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:10,079
whole thing he said, well, how good can the rockets get? Like, well,

1199
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:14,280
the rockets are by unanimous agreement, like way ahead of schedule,

1200
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:15,920
Like they're not supposed to be this good yet. And

1201
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,199
Shangoon has factored into that, you know, as much as

1202
00:58:18,199 --> 00:58:20,840
almost anybody, maybe more than anybody on the current roster.

1203
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,079
So all this stuff about can he scale up and

1204
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:24,880
how good can you be? On both ends with like,

1205
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,280
there's all that to it, But I hadn't thought of

1206
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,679
you really, I'm gonna steal this line of thinking because

1207
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:35,599
I hadn't thought of it. I just like the idea

1208
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:38,599
that if the Rockets are going to go get what

1209
00:58:38,639 --> 00:58:43,760
they need, those things will make Shangoon less valuable, and

1210
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,960
Shannggun is probably the best way to get those things.

1211
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,320
So it all just sort of aligns. I think, I

1212
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,280
think you're right, So lead ball handler, well, what do

1213
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,719
we need Shangun for? Like you know, like I really

1214
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:59,800
think that is a strong logical like trail to follow there,

1215
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,480
And I was just imagining, Oh, if it's honest, like,

1216
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:04,880
if I'm the Bucks, I'm feeling pretty good about Shangun

1217
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,880
being like, hey, he's young. We can run the offense

1218
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,599
through him, Like so if you're after a superstar, he

1219
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:12,559
is kind of the route to get there too. Yeah,

1220
00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:15,920
I think that's a good pick. I wasn't gonna take him.

1221
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:19,840
We discussed off air, like I don't know, it's Jalen

1222
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,119
green a fit. I think Shangun is the right is

1223
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:24,679
the right choice there. I applaud you. You give me

1224
00:59:24,719 --> 00:59:26,440
something to think about. I hadn't thought about before.

1225
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: And the other thing I did think about. Obviously the

1226
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,280
money matters here because shang Gun is going to make

1227
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,000
more than Alman Thompson. But if a team wants like who,

1228
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:36,599
if you're the Rockets, who are you more likely to

1229
00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:38,000
give up in a trade? Is it Shanguon or a

1230
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:41,400
men Thompson Shangun. That's not also because I think more

1231
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,119
teams might be in shant On tom just the rookie

1232
00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:45,639
scale of it all and ready does defensively, but like

1233
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:47,599
Shane Gun there's kind of well, we know what he's

1234
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:49,960
gonna make for the next half decade and there's proof

1235
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,239
of concept on the offensive end for him, So that

1236
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,480
like all that just sort of I'm glad. I'm glad

1237
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,159
at least one person supports this pick.

1238
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 2: I'm in you want to run through some names here,

1239
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:03,280
so we mentioned I mentioned Jalen Brown. It's just you

1240
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,400
could throw We may as well just discuss true holiday

1241
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,920
in Chris. That's porzingis here as well. Like you know,

1242
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,159
they they fall a little shorter of the star designation

1243
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,480
than Brown. But it's just a money thing. We talked

1244
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,400
about the sale of the Celtics. We don't know what

1245
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,840
the stomach for you know, a half a billion dollar

1246
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:22,519
payroll plus tax bill is going to be and Brown

1247
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,760
makes a ton and he's the guy that like, it's

1248
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,760
not none of those guys are expendable, but if you're

1249
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,159
really trying to make a huge dent in what this

1250
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:33,800
team costs, like that's that is the guy that you

1251
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,760
would move as Boston. They don't want to do it,

1252
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,360
but you know, financially, he's just the most obvious guy

1253
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:40,440
to go, right.

1254
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: And if I thought that there was even a chance

1255
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,440
that they would visit that this summer, he might have

1256
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,880
actually just made my list because of how like it's

1257
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,159
so easy to spind it that way.

1258
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, had I it was between him and Lamela for

1259
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,360
my last pick, and it would have just you can't

1260
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,280
choose Brown or I mean, and to a lesser extent,

1261
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,599
the other two guys Porzingis are Holiday unless you think

1262
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:03,559
maybe Boston gets knocked out, you know, pre conference finals

1263
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:05,760
or gets its ass kicked in the conference finals or

1264
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:06,480
something like that.

1265
01:01:06,679 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: And the other thing too is I really do think

1266
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,280
that they would try. If they do something this summer,

1267
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,159
it's gonna be to do it without moving Jailen Brown

1268
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:15,800
to where it's oh, will they use first Well, they

1269
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,599
include a first round pick to get off for Jowliday

1270
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:20,320
or they'll be a taker for Christops. So that factored

1271
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,880
in another name that I think people would be expecting

1272
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,159
to see Trey Young.

1273
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:25,599
Speaker 2: Yep, my whole thing.

1274
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:28,599
Speaker 1: There's definitely going to be that organic conversation this summer

1275
01:01:28,639 --> 01:01:30,760
because he's one year out from his option year, so

1276
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,400
two years until free agency. But the Hawks don't control

1277
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,840
their own draft picks until after twenty twenty seven. And

1278
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,320
I also, you know, similar to Sabonis, I don't know

1279
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,039
what Trey Young's market is. But if you're the Kings,

1280
01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:47,400
I think you can take not a king's ransom for

1281
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,039
do Masa Bonis and people are just like, oh, they'll

1282
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:52,239
be trolled because they gave Tyres Halbert to get him.

1283
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,119
But if you're the Hawks and you just accept whatever

1284
01:01:55,199 --> 01:01:58,199
package for Trey Young, that's just a tough press conference

1285
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,000
to win. And again, it'd be different if you can

1286
01:02:00,079 --> 01:02:02,719
trolled your own draft. You don't. And you've also now

1287
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,599
that dearon Fox is in San Antonio, that team that

1288
01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:07,519
owned your picks has now been taken off the board.

1289
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, who else would I throw out here at Shingoon

1290
01:02:10,679 --> 01:02:13,119
down there? We mentioned Jalen Green. I mean that you

1291
01:02:13,159 --> 01:02:16,039
can we can probably knock him off if he's not

1292
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:17,280
like a quote unquote star.

1293
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:20,159
Speaker 1: We should talk about the Philly guys.

1294
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:22,599
Speaker 2: Right, Well, yeah, like I get I mean I would

1295
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:25,559
just I had Embiid actually listed first, but you definitely,

1296
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:28,679
like Maxie and Paul George, Embiid is like almost impossible

1297
01:02:28,679 --> 01:02:30,840
to trade just because of the uncertainty surrounding his health

1298
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,840
and the amount of that deal going forward. But like

1299
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,920
that is the nuclear option for Philly, and we maybe

1300
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,239
we get another year close to this one, then you

1301
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,519
got to explore it that The problem is, like it

1302
01:02:40,519 --> 01:02:42,400
takes two sides to make a trade, and I don't

1303
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,599
like who's the team that is like willing to say

1304
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:46,039
we'll assume the Embiid risk.

1305
01:02:46,159 --> 01:02:49,239
Speaker 1: I don't know who is that. So again, Embiid's owed

1306
01:02:49,239 --> 01:02:52,000
four years and two hundred and forty eight point one million,

1307
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:54,639
that's what's left on his deal. Paul George has three

1308
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,440
years and about one hundred and sixty two point four

1309
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,559
Tyre's Maxie I thought was intriguing because if you're the

1310
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:06,559
Sixers and you are starting over, I understand he's young ish,

1311
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,800
but like this deal takes him through his age twenty

1312
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,000
eight season, and if you're really starting over, you wind

1313
01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:13,639
up winning the lottery for some reason. Wouldn't there be

1314
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:16,599
some sort of argument to like Tyre Spex has already

1315
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:18,320
been paid, he's on his max, Like, we're not trying

1316
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,440
to be good next season. I it just if they

1317
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,000
were to I'll say this, if they were to move

1318
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,000
in Beiid, it would not shock me. If it's a

1319
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,199
situation like we talked about with Phoenix and Devin Booker.

1320
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:29,199
I think Embiid would need to be the first domino

1321
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:32,199
to fall, But it wouldn't shock me if like they did,

1322
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,880
like visit the Maxi trade value if they do wind

1323
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,039
a movie in bid. But I don't know at this point,

1324
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:39,920
I don't even know if you could get Jen. There's

1325
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,639
nothing to do with the Bead's talent as a player.

1326
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:43,800
It's just the availability and the money. I don't I

1327
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,840
don't know that you can even get a shorter term contract.

1328
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,000
Like if you got a shorter term contract, I don't

1329
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,719
even know if it would just be pure expirings.

1330
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Maxi is Maxi doesn't feel like he

1331
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,679
fits in this discussion, But you have to concede that

1332
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,320
from the Sixers perspective, like that's the guy that you

1333
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,440
could rely ably get positive value for just because George

1334
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,159
and Embiid come with age and health and like cost

1335
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,320
concerns where MAXI it's like, you know, unless you run

1336
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,079
him into the ground because your whole team's hurt and

1337
01:04:11,079 --> 01:04:13,960
he pulls a hamstring, like he's gonna be relatively healthy

1338
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,719
and productive. And I get his shooting makes him fairly scalable.

1339
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,719
The defense isn't great, but like that's the guy that

1340
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,679
if you're the Sixers and you're trying to meaningfully I

1341
01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:26,639
don't know, inject your like acquire positive assets or whatever.

1342
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:29,599
Like he's just the easiest one to trade really right,

1343
01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:31,480
like the other two guys are, You're gonna have to

1344
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:32,400
talk somebody into it.

1345
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: It feels like, uh I what about Kawhi. He's on

1346
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:41,440
on that contract. I just the possibility that he would

1347
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,880
just retire if he ved. It's just like I couldn't

1348
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:44,480
think him.

1349
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Harden's there too, although he's got you know,

1350
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:48,920
he's probably gonna opt out and well, I don't know

1351
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:50,760
what he's gonna do because there's no free agent money

1352
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,679
to be had. But the Clippers just kind of feel like,

1353
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,760
first of all, we like, I don't know, we haven't

1354
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,440
done our Executive of the Year talk, but like at

1355
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,880
some point Ornce Frank is just gonna have to rate

1356
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,599
pretty high because kind of just made something out of

1357
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:07,119
nothing this year and made a lot of good decisions,

1358
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:11,480
but it doesn't feel like well certainly, like realistically the

1359
01:05:11,519 --> 01:05:16,840
hard and Kawhi core got what one two more good

1360
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,159
years in it realistically, just because of age and health

1361
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:21,719
and stuff. So that just the the idea of like

1362
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,519
the clock ticking on that is is a pretty big

1363
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:28,639
motivating factor for both of those two guys being moved to.

1364
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,119
Speaker 1: A couple other names here. I thought that the Timberwolves

1365
01:05:31,159 --> 01:05:34,159
guys Julius Randall has the player option, so that not

1366
01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:36,599
only whether he's gonna opt out or in made it tough.

1367
01:05:36,679 --> 01:05:39,000
And then I have Rudy Gobert as well, where he's

1368
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:42,079
about to start that three year extension next year, which

1369
01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:44,639
is it's running through his age thirty five season with

1370
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:46,880
a player option and a you know, sub twenty three

1371
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,719
percent of the salary cap three years, one hundred and

1372
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,679
ten million. I just if they're gonna enter the Kevin

1373
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,039
Durant sweepstake somehow, it's one of those guys I assume

1374
01:05:55,079 --> 01:05:58,480
would be the one of the primary like outgoing money.

1375
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,400
I just don't know, you know, if you're moving Julius,

1376
01:06:01,519 --> 01:06:03,679
the problem was with them. If you're moving Julius Randall

1377
01:06:03,719 --> 01:06:06,920
or Ruby Gobar in a vacuum, I don't know what

1378
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,320
actual value you're getting unless the team, like it would

1379
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,519
be Phoenix is painted into a corner somehow, or Phoenix

1380
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:15,079
is desperate to remain competitive. That's why Rudy Gobert, I think,

1381
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:18,000
is the better fit for this exercise that Julius Randall.

1382
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did have Randall. I didn't have go Bear

1383
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,679
on my list. Bradley Beal, like they really wanted to

1384
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:26,639
trade him, and all it would have taken was him

1385
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,119
waving the no trade maybe in the off season that gets,

1386
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,480
you know, we get some clarity and Beal is like

1387
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:37,679
relenting finally, I mean, like definitely the Suns don't want

1388
01:06:37,719 --> 01:06:42,039
to have Bradley Beal anymore. So that's a pretty big factor.

1389
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:43,480
And will a guy get traded or not?

1390
01:06:43,679 --> 01:06:45,519
Speaker 1: So I didn't have him on my list, And can

1391
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:46,559
I let you know why?

1392
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:47,159
Speaker 2: Please?

1393
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,159
Speaker 1: He hasn't made an All Star Game in a half decade.

1394
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 2: He's not a star, that's right, Oh man, Yeah, well

1395
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,840
he's got a big name still, I don't know, is

1396
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,920
a third option on a playing team that's pretty good.

1397
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: That people were wondering should he should they even bring

1398
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,119
him back from his hamstring injury, or they better off without him,

1399
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:07,039
and then they got trucked by the Celtics. Here's a

1400
01:07:07,159 --> 01:07:09,840
name that's I don't even know if we need to

1401
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,639
go through like any other more, but this would be

1402
01:07:11,639 --> 01:07:14,280
a it's a spicy one, but I thought, I legitimately

1403
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:18,719
thought about including him, Karl Anthony Towns with the Niggs. Yeah,

1404
01:07:18,719 --> 01:07:21,679
he has three years left on that contract, and I

1405
01:07:21,679 --> 01:07:23,480
don't think they can look at Mitchell Robinson say well,

1406
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,159
we're just we don't trust Connthie Town's defense. We're confident

1407
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:29,239
with Mitch moving forward. He's cheaper. But it's just the

1408
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,880
Knicks probably deserve more time because of the degree to

1409
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,400
which they've shaken up the roster, but they've done so

1410
01:07:34,639 --> 01:07:37,320
in a way where they don't really have any other options,

1411
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,400
and if their's they've been mentioned to Giannis, like if

1412
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,960
Jiannis wanted to go to New York and it's the

1413
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,280
player like, yeah, you have bridges in Atanobi and you

1414
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,039
could I guess you could step ladder that way to

1415
01:07:48,039 --> 01:07:50,239
get assets that would go to Milwaukee. But Karnthie Town's

1416
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,119
number is so big, and I think that if you

1417
01:07:52,159 --> 01:07:54,320
were going to do something, I know, his contract is massive,

1418
01:07:55,559 --> 01:07:57,679
paying him over he had three years left at like

1419
01:07:57,719 --> 01:08:00,960
one hundred and sixty eight million bucks, just a floor

1420
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,480
space if you believe you have the defensive infrastructure to

1421
01:08:03,559 --> 01:08:06,320
protect him, which the Nick clearly did not. I don't

1422
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,159
view his three year, seventy one million dollar commitment as

1423
01:08:10,639 --> 01:08:13,679
to taxing. I mean it's huge, but also he's you

1424
01:08:13,719 --> 01:08:17,560
talk about scalability, like his offense will just basically fit anywhere.

1425
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,840
And so that's just a name I kind of have circle,

1426
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,760
not because I think the Knicks are necessarily gonna blow

1427
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,279
it up, but if there's a way for them to

1428
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:25,920
get a bigger name, Karl Anthony Town's I think is

1429
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,840
good enough to fit. Oh we traded a star for star.

1430
01:08:29,039 --> 01:08:31,720
Maybe they need to attach something to said star. But

1431
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,920
then he's still good enough to carry that type of misteam.

1432
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that makes sense. We're getting pretty speculative here,

1433
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,239
but I don't think you should assume Jimmy Butler will

1434
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,680
continue to be happy forever. So like if the Warriors,

1435
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,279
you know, losing the plane or whatever, or he just

1436
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:51,960
doesn't turn into playoff Jimmy, and then you're a year

1437
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,479
down the road again and maybe you start getting some

1438
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,840
of the typical like you know, by the way they're

1439
01:08:58,119 --> 01:09:01,199
he's already like getting to fly separately and stay separately

1440
01:09:01,239 --> 01:09:04,199
from the team, and like that's all happening you. I

1441
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:06,760
can envision a scenario where the Warriors are looking at

1442
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,920
it like, well, Okay, you know we took a crack

1443
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,520
at it with him, but can we flip him for

1444
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:13,960
someone else in that price range? So just just just

1445
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,039
put a pin in that one?

1446
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: Can I put a pin in another name?

1447
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:17,239
Speaker 2: Please?

1448
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: Draymond Green? Yeah? I mean there's just you emotionally, you

1449
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,960
don't think that they were they're not gonna trade Steph.

1450
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:25,560
I right, Like, if we're being serious, they're not gonna

1451
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,600
trade Steph. But something could go sour between him and

1452
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,640
the organization more than ever would with Steph. And I

1453
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,239
also am just more open to the idea that I

1454
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:36,319
asked more this, if the sunset they trade you, like

1455
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,479
Kevin Durant for Jimmy Butler, would you do it? And

1456
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,960
I said that I probably wouldn't. But like I think

1457
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,680
if if you gave the Warriors truths to him, they

1458
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,960
might even though he's so important, especially when they're playing

1459
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,279
smaller that he feels that they're gonna go out and

1460
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:51,760
get another star. Maybe it's a younger star, Like you

1461
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,720
would rather trade Draymond Green than Jimmy Butler.

1462
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just if you took all of the

1463
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,319
stuff out out of it that you can't take out

1464
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:04,039
of it, I think that's right because it just age,

1465
01:10:05,239 --> 01:10:06,960
you know what I mean, if you took the emotion,

1466
01:10:07,079 --> 01:10:10,680
the sentiment, the history, and the Steph like that's the thing.

1467
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,239
Because of course they're not trading Steph. I'm not sure

1468
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:19,439
you could trade Draymond Green because Steph would say, do

1469
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,119
not trade Draymond Green, and you have to listen to him.

1470
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:25,000
But like as far as what he provides on the court,

1471
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:27,880
like his trajectory going forward, given his age, given the

1472
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,760
fit issues that persist, like it's hard to have. It's

1473
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,279
harder to have Jimmy Butler and Jonathan Kaminga in the

1474
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:35,520
game because Draymond Green doesn't you know, it's all the

1475
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,600
same stuff. But yeah, I think you're right, just like

1476
01:10:39,159 --> 01:10:42,319
it's that boy that's that's not the nuclear option, but

1477
01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:45,319
that's that's close because it would piss off Steph.

1478
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,039
Speaker 1: I will say, because we had Giannis and because we

1479
01:10:47,079 --> 01:10:50,359
had some bonus like Levine and Damian Lillard we already

1480
01:10:50,359 --> 01:10:53,159
talked about, like they just have their own cases. Then

1481
01:10:53,239 --> 01:10:54,840
I don't trust that the Kings would even if they

1482
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,520
move the bonus like I think that they would view

1483
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,399
if Levine is the primary building block of a contender,

1484
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,359
or they're still trying to be good and don't want

1485
01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:03,279
to get rid of him. The Dame is one where

1486
01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:05,399
it's because I didn't pick you, honest, I didn't feel

1487
01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:08,840
obligated to pick Dame. But like that's probably just one where, yeah,

1488
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,399
if we think Giannice is going to be traded Dame,

1489
01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:11,760
it's not going to be far behind if he's.

1490
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I probably should have taken him, but I

1491
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:17,520
thought you might just because like strategically you could, you

1492
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,840
could undercut my Giannis pick by taking Dame.

1493
01:11:20,039 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting now that this is over, and

1494
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,920
I'm sure that some people just haven't listened to this far.

1495
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:26,640
I didn't go in this this exercise necessarily trying to

1496
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,399
be the like to beat you, I want to be correct,

1497
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:31,600
But I went into it. I was like I want

1498
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,720
to have these discussions, and so like I want I

1499
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,760
would have picked you honest, to be clear, and then yeah,

1500
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:37,239
because I picked you honest, I might.

1501
01:11:37,079 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 2: Have then picked yeah, right, you're kind of committed that way.

1502
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 1: Any other name sort of stand out.

1503
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:47,319
Speaker 2: I think I'm about out. Yeah, you picked a little bit.

1504
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:49,399
Speaker 1: What if the Spurs just were going to flip him

1505
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,319
for more value than they got or they I was

1506
01:11:51,319 --> 01:11:53,359
trying to think of, like the lead play, like what

1507
01:11:53,399 --> 01:11:55,600
if they wont Let's say they win the draft lottery

1508
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,640
and get Cooper Flag. Do you want Daron Fox still

1509
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:03,840
or trying to like Parlay is expiring contract will better fit.

1510
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 2: And then and then if you think Castle is gonna

1511
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,199
be the guy that should be on the ball, like

1512
01:12:08,279 --> 01:12:10,720
that's the I mean, you can't. I don't think if

1513
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,279
you had like fifty more games this year and Castle

1514
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,960
could show you like he can't. I don't think he

1515
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,319
can convince them of that with what's remaining of this season.

1516
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,479
But it is a conversation. That was the thing about

1517
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:25,239
Fox is it's like you didn't pay a price that

1518
01:12:25,319 --> 01:12:28,479
made it so he has to be like a mainstay.

1519
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,039
He has to be our number two. You could let

1520
01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:33,680
him go or flip him like that, that's fine, Like

1521
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,119
it just you're early enough in the Wimby era while

1522
01:12:37,119 --> 01:12:39,039
you should be trying to compete when he's great, which

1523
01:12:39,039 --> 01:12:42,560
he already is. Like you're not married to Fox as

1524
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,079
your second option, like by any stretch. So yeah, I

1525
01:12:45,079 --> 01:12:46,319
think he's an interesting one.

1526
01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Steph Castle, He's uh, his efficiency has improved,

1527
01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:53,600
which means he's still shooting sub forty effective field goal

1528
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,439
percentage on jumpers. We were talking this conversation about how

1529
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,439
we need to put ourselves do a better job putting

1530
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,680
ourselves in fan shoes andunderstand why Spurs fans say that

1531
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,079
he is the only rookie of year option. But I

1532
01:13:04,199 --> 01:13:06,079
just it's just the justification. I'm looking at how much

1533
01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:07,840
more efficient he is since the All Star break, and

1534
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,119
I'm just gonna like the issue, the primary issue is

1535
01:13:11,119 --> 01:13:13,840
still the primary issue. That volume it is.

1536
01:13:14,359 --> 01:13:16,079
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I wrote something about him the other

1537
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:19,239
day and it was just like if you just take

1538
01:13:19,279 --> 01:13:22,039
his like per thirty six numbers, or take his numbers

1539
01:13:22,039 --> 01:13:25,119
as a starter or whatever you want, like they don't

1540
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,039
you know, he's still just like a net negative guy

1541
01:13:28,079 --> 01:13:31,800
because of the shooting. If you just pretend that he

1542
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,640
had like league average numbers from the field and from three,

1543
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,359
so like forty six thirty six, he's just like he's

1544
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,199
a superstar. Like it's not it's not like right today,

1545
01:13:42,279 --> 01:13:44,079
not like oh he projects as one. It's like, no,

1546
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:46,279
he just is a superstar. That's just that's where he

1547
01:13:46,279 --> 01:13:49,000
would be if you were a league average shooter, which

1548
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,640
shows you how bad I mean the shooting is just

1549
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,840
I mean, he's a He's gonna be someone we talk

1550
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,399
about for a long time in one way or the other,

1551
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:03,359
as like, man, remember when we thought all it would

1552
01:14:03,359 --> 01:14:05,640
take for Castle to be great was shooting, and like,

1553
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,920
of course guys never learned how to shoot well when

1554
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,800
they're that bad. Or it's like we'll always point to

1555
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,439
him as the guy that figured it out, and he'll

1556
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:17,239
be the reason we buy into every super good young

1557
01:14:17,279 --> 01:14:19,880
player that does everything but shoot because he figured it out,

1558
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,560
so that you know what I mean, He's gonna be

1559
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,279
like a real touchstone.

1560
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: I would say him, or like one of the Thompson

1561
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,239
brothers has the chance to change, like the way we

1562
01:14:27,319 --> 01:14:28,199
scollop for him.

1563
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,399
Speaker 2: One way or the other, We're gonna write off a

1564
01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:32,960
shit ton of really talented guys if none of those

1565
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,279
three ever figure out how to shoot, and if they do,

1566
01:14:35,399 --> 01:14:37,720
then we'll always buy in, like they're gonna change how

1567
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:38,920
we think for a long time.

1568
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 1: A couple of the this is very quickly. I would

1569
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,520
have probably picked one of the Miami guys Bam or

1570
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,039
Tyler Hero if they had any sort of control over

1571
01:14:47,079 --> 01:14:49,880
their picks, like they're two of their next three picks

1572
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,039
are just basically or two of their next four are gone.

1573
01:14:52,359 --> 01:14:54,439
That's just tough. And I don't think Tyler Hero doesn't

1574
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:56,439
have the cachet to say move me. And I just

1575
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,119
don't see Bam just signed the extension and the other one.

1576
01:14:59,239 --> 01:15:02,039
But I couldn't, even though I view him more highly

1577
01:15:02,039 --> 01:15:04,319
than Bradley Beal right now, he last made an All

1578
01:15:04,319 --> 01:15:07,479
Star Game earlier than Bradley Beal was twenty twenty, and

1579
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,960
Bal made one in twenty twenty one. Just brandon Ingram

1580
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,000
in Toronto. It just if they viewed him as a

1581
01:15:12,039 --> 01:15:14,600
salary placeholder that they plan to attach more stuff to

1582
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,119
try and big it bring in someone who might be

1583
01:15:17,119 --> 01:15:20,159
a better fit for that roster. But I just I

1584
01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:22,600
didn't know if he qualified. If I wasn't gonna put Beale,

1585
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,199
I didn't think I could put Ingram.

1586
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we've I think we've gone far enough down

1587
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,560
the list of if we're talking about Ingram and Beale, Do.

1588
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: You want to take us out of here unless you

1589
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:31,720
have anything else to say?

1590
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 2: No, thanks everybody for checking this episode out. Let us know.

1591
01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:37,880
I mean, this will be fun to keep track of,

1592
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:39,479
but let us know if we missed anybody, or who

1593
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,159
you would have had first, if you would have taken

1594
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:44,520
dame first, beheaded honest, I think that's an interest or

1595
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,479
before you're honis not first. As always, please rate, review,

1596
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,600
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1597
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,479
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01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,760
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1599
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:59,079
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1600
01:15:59,079 --> 01:16:00,560
we're going to close with the show to the Franklin

1601
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,439
Lakino An apologies to Jared Allen, neither of whom are

1602
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,439
on the trade block,