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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season four,

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episode fourteen of Clips in dipp weird week. Since we've

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last talked to you, I have Chuck Blackler joined by

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Adam Austin and William Updyke. I think we last came

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at you on Tuesday before seemingly all hell broke loose

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in Clippers. I asked if things could get worse, and

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it seemed like management may have heard that. But we're

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gonna talk about the back to back. We're gona talk

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about the Chris Paul stuff. There's a game against a

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team that has built pretty well to beat the Clippers

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against Houston on Thursday. How are we doing? Guys? What

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a interesting couple of days since we've last spoken. Will

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how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing all right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I had some time now to process the Chris Paul stuff.

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I know it was a little it's a little raw

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there for everybody, it seemed like and uh for a

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little bit, but yeah, working through it. I think I

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think I had texted that we would win one game

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and then lose at least the next two, probably the

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next However after that looks like it's on track to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got that post CP three boost against a

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short handed I didn't even know who it was, Grizzly team.

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I think, Adam, you've been in the trenches more with

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all this stuff. How how are you?

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Speaker 3: Uh? I'm okay.

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Speaker 4: I tend to think it was more the benching that

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happened with the starters in Miami for the reason they

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won in Atlanta against a team that was missing some

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really key guys. Should should have probably won the last

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two games, and uh, they have forgotten how to win

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out games, which is pretty frustrating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna talk some second half stat stuff that

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was on display. Uh in this back to back I

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feel like the CP three stuff obviously, if you're listening

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to this podcast, we're assuming you know what happened, or

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if you're watching us at YouTube College Zack Clippers podcast,

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it feels like it's breaking people's brains a bit. In

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my it's just such a two ways. It's I'm confused

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why management thought Chris Paul would be different than what

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his normal self is.

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Speaker 4: I think they thought they wouldn't be six and eighteen

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so they wouldn't have to deal with right CP three

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possibly showing his worst side.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I like that you said worst side too, because

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there obviously are good sides to Chris Paul, of course,

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but it's like we got Paul Sheer calling him the

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Chevy Chase of basketball. Chris Haynes is working very hard

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to help Chris Paul all seem you know, I would

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problematic as possible in this whole scenario.

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Speaker 4: I would advise people to check out how Kendrick Perkins

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first responded to it and then how he changed things

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up after he was getting text messages and be like, oh,

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he's undermining the coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: That's that's what it was.

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Speaker 4: Like Kendrick Perkins somehow saw the light on this, which is.

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Speaker 2: Like what it had to be though, right, Like I

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think to your point, Charles, I think this goes beyond

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just Chris Paul being a competitor, Chris Paul getting on

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guys' asses, like you expect all that, and I don't think, like,

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I don't think that was stuff like that is any

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sort of surprise. But when you have a team that's

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struggling like the Clippers are, and you have a guy

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who's it seems like or what I would assume the

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situation is kind of thinks that maybe they could do

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a better job or is kind of attempting to pull

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some strings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not wrong about like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I I can see how that

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would rapidly uh, how like the situation would rapidly decline.

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Speaker 4: Yes, his style obviously wasn't being very productive or effective.

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And if what happened at the end of the game

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in Dallas a week or so agoing into it Dome

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with Klay Thompson in the fourth quarter, and he's having

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guys switch, and I think everybody at least needs to

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try to get on the same page and not have

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you know, different mixed messaging out there between the coaching

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staff and a player at the age of forty.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's already so disorganized, Like how can you have

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another dissenting voice, like somebody else trying to coach the

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team that's not even in line with the coaching staff,

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and like the guys already aren't on the same page.

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It's like it's not gonna work. And I like it

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is a bummer as a as a fan, as a

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fan of CPS, as a fan of the Clippers, that

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this is the way this is all going down. I

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think the way this is being talked about though, like

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this is like I you know, like they're absolutely Look,

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I think that there were conversations if they had eroded

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to the point where Tyleru like was no longer willing

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to be like taking meetings with Yeah, like with Chris Paul, Like,

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I don't know what you do with that situation other

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than austim.

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Speaker 3: He was not blindsided.

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Speaker 4: You know how We know that because the report from

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Lou Williams about him already apologizing to the team for

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doing some of this stuff. I think that's been double

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sourced at this point. And I like, this.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't a one time thing.

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Speaker 4: This was something that had been bubbling for a while

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and he had been warned about and then it kept

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going and we all knew something was up by what

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he put out on Instagram with Leeway, And now they're

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trying to explain what that was about. Even even if

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that is accurate what Chris Haynes said about it, does

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him putting that out on social media help anything?

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Speaker 1: Right? Like we're talking about a forty year old VET

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who is known for his you know, competitiveness, professionality, for

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lack of you know, like, dude, that's a PJ. Tucker

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move right like that. It was surprising, and it's kind

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of one of those things where you're just like, dude, like,

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so you're posting like a wide receiver now, like or

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what we're going on?

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Speaker 4: What about the posts of just found out I got

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let go of peace?

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Speaker 3: It's like, okay, right.

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Speaker 4: The full context of that was he had a three

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hour conversation with Lawrence Franke. It wasn't they texted him, Hey,

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you're out by That's I think there's been some interesting framing.

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Speaker 3: I love CP three.

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Speaker 4: We love him because he's a hard ass and a

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self proclaimed ahole and all these things, because he only

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knows one way and it's been effective throughout his career,

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and he may go on to be a great head coach,

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he may go on to have a great rest of

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the season with some other team. Just wasn't a good

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fit for this team at this time, apparently because I

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don't think they also would have done this to all

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the other players, like they wouldn't have checked the pulse

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of the locker room to see how everybody else was

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feeling about CP three at this time. This This wasn't

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one thing, and it wasn't one person. It wasn't just

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him and coach lou. I think it was much bigger

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than that.

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Speaker 1: And it is. Will you kind of mentioned it too.

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It sucks. It's an ugly situation. We're not trying to

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say that. It's like, what's the bfd.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, I just that's upset. Yeah, And I

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feel like the way that it was kind of spun

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initially is it was like it sounded like, you know.

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Speaker 1: Well he broke it, like Adams said, right, he put

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the post out like I guess something. All yeah, but

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I feel like someone with that vibe where you're like, okay, dude.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like fans interpretations or something was it

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was like he was calling guys out for you know,

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like not playing hard or whatever, and the locker room

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got mad some specific you know, Marquee players got mad

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and one in them out, And I just I don't

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think that that's the situation at all.

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Speaker 1: After the about leeway with the Van Gundy thing where

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it's like, oh, he told Kawhi that he needed to

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switch assignments or something because he couldn't keep up with

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Klay Thompson, first of all, I was like, all right,

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that's making me think about Kawhi's defensive stuff. But that's

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a different conversation. But then Ben Gunny saying, you don't

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have the leeway to do that. Yeah, man, in the

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middle of the game, you probably don't have leeway if

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you're not playing to tell Kawi to do that.

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Speaker 2: Let the coaches make that decision. For God's sakes, just

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let them. Just let the coaches make that decision.

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Speaker 4: And now people are showing a video of coach lou

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when he was out, when he had those five straight

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games where he was dnped, and they were like, what

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do you want from Chris And he was like, I

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want input, I want accountability and him helping people.

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Speaker 3: People are like, well, that's what he was doing.

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Speaker 4: It's like, input is not the same as directing guys

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what to do out there on the floor like you're

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an actual coach and making those decisions.

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Speaker 3: You knowilaterally Uh.

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Speaker 4: I think everybody has tendency to like because they're losing,

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and because so many people are against coach lo and

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Lawrence Frank right now, they would take anybody else's side,

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and it's easy to say, well, he.

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Speaker 3: Was the one holding them accountable. And that's what we

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need with this group. We need some fire and brimstone.

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We need some of that. If it's not productive though,

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if it's not helping, which clearly it's not, yes, if

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it's not received the right way, there is tact that

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has to be used in knowing how to address guys

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to get more on of them. And I love CP three,

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but it's like it's it's an awkward situation because he

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is the franchise goat. But then you see the social

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media post ride afterwards with him and Blake laughing with DJ,

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and it's like, hey, great, I wish we could have

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had some of that during the Lob City days and

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the locker room wasn't so dysfunctional then because guys then

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didn't take well to some of the stuff that CP

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three was doing when he was in his prime and

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he was teaching young guys. Now he's well removed from

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his prime and he's apparently using the same type of

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tactics with an older veteran group that is losing consistently

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right now, how is that going to work? Like?

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Speaker 4: I hope they can mend the relationship just the way

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apparently CP three and Blake and DJ have with the

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Clippers organization. CP three at some point and hopefully time

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heals all wounds. That's the goal here. It just right now.

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It's been a difficult week, and I wish everybody wouldn't

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just take one side or the other. I think there's

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plenty of blame to go around. It's obviously not CP

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three's fault. For the record they have had. Laurence Frank

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made that clear as well. Things happen't turned around. They're

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one and two sins him. They're a bad ball club

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and this stuff may not have been helping them turn

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a corner.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if that ever happens here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Blake CP three, DeAndre stuff. Blake had

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that kind of like pretty eloquent. I think he was

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kind of raw about what happened, like his explanation of

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kind of how Balmber maybe you know, he said something

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basically to the effect of he goes to the games,

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he cheers, which is great, but they're obviously is Some

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of ex players have kind of said like there feels

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like a disconnect a little bit when your time is

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no longer you know needed. With the Clippers, the way

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that maybe Balmer doesn't reach out or do certain things

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has rubbed those guys the wrong way. So hopefully something

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can happen with that. I don't think it's going to

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happen anytime soon because I think they're respectfully more worried

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about how to not be six in whatever the hell

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we are right now that Like, yeah, it's just messy

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all around, Like the ORG needs to be a little

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better with how they with how they do that, like,

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respect these guys. The retirement thing is super weird from

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the toe Mayer piece where he was like asking Chris

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Paul if it really was his last And I'm not

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saying Chris Paul is not going to retire, but that

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those anecdotes where Chris Paul was like, oh yeah, uh

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huh and like walking away and answering the question. And

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I can just picture Tom Air being like what the

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hell is going on with all that stuff? So that's

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kind of weird too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was unclear.

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Speaker 4: The post came about it came out about it being

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his last game back in North Carolina taken on Charlotte,

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so we all assume that means it's his last season,

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but it wasn't exactly clear that those two things are

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the same.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how they couldn't be. I don't I

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don't get it.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we'll find out more, we'll get more clarity.

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Speaker 2: On the ID. He can't go there anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the real ID.

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Speaker 4: I just went straight for the passport and bypassed the

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real ID. Now, yeah, I think you're good. But yeah,

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I it's difficult, Like, can we can we like the

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Clippers and CP three at the same time.

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Speaker 3: I think that's possible to do. I think it. I

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think it's possible.

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Speaker 1: I also think the whole like I used to be

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the Clippers ball boy, and I'm I'm denouncing my fandom

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of the Clippers. It's like, you're nineteen years old. You

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have seen nothing but for the most part, a well

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run organization. So like, whatever, dude, defect to the other

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team in the city, and I guess enjoy your life.

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But like, what a weird Like how much CP three

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did you even really watch? And remember as a nineteen

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year old in twenty twenty five. Well, it's also a

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bit on the team in a meaningful way.

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Speaker 4: For a minute, dude, do you remember this summer it

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was still a little bit divided with the fan base

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on whether or not they should bring him back. There

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were people that still had hard feelings towards him. Now

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it's like, well, the enemy of my enemy is my

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friend because they're mad at they're mad at Lawrence Frank

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and they're mad at Coach Lou and I totally get

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all that, but like, look, this is a collective failure

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going on. It's not CB three, it's not just that,

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it's not just Coach Lou, it's not just Lawrence Flank.

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It's not just the players to everybody, it's all of them.

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Like this is when you're six and eighteen and you

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can't figure out how to win basketball games when you're

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up by eighteen, or you can't score a point in

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the last four minutes of a game in.

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Speaker 3: Memphis, this is this is just brutal. There's blame to

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go around everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And like there's just there's no right

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like the situation alroading to the point, there's no right answer.

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And obviously TYLERU and Lawrence Frank are gonna be on

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the hot seat from the fans because no matter what

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they do, like unless we rattle off a ten game

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win streak, that's where they're at. And you know, we've

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heard I'm sure we'll talk about like we've heard some

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different things about What's what's going to happen there with

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that front office. I mean, it seems like the likeliness

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of the scenarios is L Frank is probably gonna get extended.

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But yeah, I don't know. I still think though, too,

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like fans would have a less visceral experience if the

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team was even five hundred, If the team was even

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five hundred and these and these same reports for coming out,

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they'd be like, man, this sucks, but like you got

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to do it for you know, you got to do

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it for the betterment of the ball club. But with

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where they're at right now, it's just it's all bad.

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There's no there's no right answer, there's no right there's

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no winning situation.

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Speaker 4: There are a couple of games away from being last

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in the Western Conference.

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Speaker 3: They're six and eighteen.

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Speaker 4: The only team behind them is the New Orleans Pelicans

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at three and twenty one. They also don't have their

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first round pick this year, Yes, but they.

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Speaker 1: Do have Derrick Queen. The extension talk, yeah, the sources

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said he's probably gonna Lawrence Frank excuse me, said he's

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probably going to get one, but nothing is imminent, and

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it was kind of saying like it'd be premature to

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assume that he's going to get one. Yeah, but Balmer

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has said he values, you know, stability. You look at

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orgs that have a lot of turnover, and you usually

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look at an organization that's not doing very well. And

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I think this season, people were excited about the season. Obviously,

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being five hundred right now is maybe the worst that

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people thought it would be a couple months ago before

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the season started. If you were like, how bad do

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you think it'll be first week of December for five hundred,

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I think that would probably be worst case scenario is

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when I think a lot of people felt.

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Speaker 2: But now how much kaw I miss?

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, but like any not no one would say

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I think we'll probably be six and eighteen or something

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like that. So the l Frank thing people freaked out.

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Speaker 4: That looked like click hate bait in some ways. Yeah,

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totally red meat for everybody that's already upset.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: And the last line of it does say in quote premature,

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I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean as a fan of a team at a

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different sport who kept a GM for a really long

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time with zero success to it, I do think it

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can be frustrating if you've had a guy in that position,

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you haven't won a championship or something like that. But

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I still agree with the Kawhi and PG trade. Obviously

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the moves this year didn't work out like we wanted

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him to. But like, I don't know, could he be

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better with people? Sure? Probably every GM could would be

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my guess. I just don't know who You're going out

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there to replace Lawrence Frank for a team that's going

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to have eight hundred million dollars in cap space in

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two years, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, the

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work again, I guess with the everyone was saying, you know,

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Lawrence Frank had a great off season. We love these additions.

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Sometimes shit doesn't work. Guys get hurt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were all wrong.

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Speaker 4: I do wonder if it's rare. Do they want him

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to see the vision through? Because as you mentioned, they're

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going to have so much Capron coming up. Are you

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going to bring in somebody else midway through the workings

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of this next era that they have set up and

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laid out over the past two years. We've known about

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this for at least two years. What they're ultimate land

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was that's hard.

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Speaker 2: Well, Adam, you said you also on Twitter you were

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saying that you predict that there could be some significant

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roster shake up.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I said, I wonder, yeah, because this week,

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because they have four days off, if they were going

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to make a move based upon what he said about

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being really aggressive, if I think, I think the quote

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is something to the effect of, if I'm wrong and

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we're not here, it is quote if I'm wrong and

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this roster isn't capable of doing more, as always, we'll

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be aggressive and trying to fix it. We'll explore every

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avenue to make this team better. And I said, based

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off this comment from l Frank, I wonder if we

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see the same roster in four days when the Clippers

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play again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we got to wait until the fifteenth to

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trade a couple guys, I think, but not anyone huge.

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I will say, if we do something like trade for

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Demart Rosen, I would be like, God damn it. I

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don't like that move at all, because I so, I

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don't know if the season's a lost cause yet they

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are six and eighteen or something like. It's not going well.

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So I guess I wonder what those moves look like. Yeah,

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that's where things could go sideways if they make some

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absurd like let's trade for Zach Levine like some people want.

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Speaker 4: I'd imagine they're just trading expiring contracts that they have

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for different types of inspiring contracts. That's not gonna hurt

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their twenty six twenty seven plans. It could be lateral move,

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but a move nonetheless just to try something different. I

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don't know, or that maybe they stand pat maybe maybe

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they feel like they're not gonna be able to get

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enough anyways. Maybe they don't want to give okay See

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a higher pick, but they don't want to do that

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now and it's not exactly helping their standing.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think I'm in the if you're gonna trade, Like,

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if you're gonna trade everybody, I'm almost in the like,

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let's just do everybody, Like let's just there's like a

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fake report about Zoo commanding two first, which I was like,

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I think this report is just fake.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so Laurence frank is extension eligible, like his

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he's his contract is up at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: Let me look it up.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I like, if you're on the like, if

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you're of the opinion that you think this team could

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use a significant roster shakeup, which it could is that

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the time to bring in a new GM.

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Speaker 1: I think right, like it's like vision Like.

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Speaker 2: I think that that is like a pretty that seems

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like a knee jerk reaction that could compromise a future goal.

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Speaker 4: Others will argue, though, do you let Laurence Frank clean

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up the mess? Like if if you feel like he's

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set the place on fire, you're gonna let him be

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the one to put it out. Like I understand that

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perspective to some degree.

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Speaker 1: I see the flip side of saying, why are you

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giving the guy holding the gas and the matches to

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supplies to clean the house up?

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Speaker 4: But I also don't know what he said this summer

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he had the gas and the matches when he made

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those moves, we were like, yeah, cook it all right,

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But he's said he's not very the house down, He's

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just cooking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird again. Weird week. And then the Clippers

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followed that up by losing both of their games in

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a back to back, got outscored by thirteen in the

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second half. First, the Grizzlies got outscored by seventeen in

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the second half versus the Wolves. What is wrong with

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the second half, the Clippers are minus eleven almost minus

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twelve and net rating in the second half. They're the

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second worst team in the league in the second half.

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Speaker 3: I think it's two things.

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Speaker 1: Can I give you two stats real quickly? Yeah, you

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got some.

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Speaker 2: You got some pretty good indicators here.

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Speaker 1: I have one stat. They're third in the second half.

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They are third and assist a turnover ratio while being

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twenty ninth in pace, which is a recipe for a

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lot of free buckets for the other team in transition, Adam,

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what do you think?

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: Part of their age shows in the second half. They

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start to slow down. They're not moving, they're not cutting.

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The hard things that they were doing earlier in the

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game become much more difficult. Because they have been getting

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off to better starts. They have looked like they've been

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playing hard. The effort has been there. For people that say, oh,

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they're quitting on coach Lou, I have not seen that.

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You would not come out and playing that as hard

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as they have the last few games.

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Speaker 3: You would not get up by eighteen if you're trying to.

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Speaker 1: Why I would play on the backs if you quit

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on coach Lou.

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Speaker 4: Right, I don't think that stuff has much evidence to it.

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I just don't think they've been good enough in closing

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out games because their two best players are on the

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older side, and teams also are giving a maximum effort

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in second halves that they aren't in first halves, Like

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the Clippers make it the jump on them by playing

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with great effort to start, but the rest the teams

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are going up against were like, cool, we still got

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more left in the tank. And when we play hard,

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everything you're doing right now, that's working. When we play hard,

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we're gonna be able to stop that and shut it down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Will, where are you on the second half? Was

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it is frustrating that it really is just like, well,

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guys seem to run faster and harder than the old guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I think that's like, what's it

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just seems like a very difficult issue to fix without

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some sort of roster reshuffling.

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul Yeah, yeah, because I was looking at their

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shooting stats too in the second half, and they're not

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like elite, but they're like fifteenth. You know, they're in

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the middle of the road for a lot of I

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don't know if normal stats is right, but you know

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what I mean, like you're not like, oh, we're shooting

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twenty two in the second half. That sucks your problem,

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actually because those would probably go in, uh you.

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Speaker 4: Said, twenty ninth and assist a turnover ratio in the

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second half.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, thirty nine, thirtieth and thirtieth racial twenty ninth

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in pace. They averaged nine turnovers in the second half.

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Speaker 4: So they're just losing out on a ton of possessions. Yes,

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even though they're not shooting at that poorly, they're not

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even getting shots up.

477
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Speaker 1: It's a math problem. Like it's just and like, you know,

478
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,519
the faster pace of everyone else for the most part.

479
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:34,319
Speaker 4: Also, there still seems to be some fluky stuff them

480
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,599
going the last four minutes of the game against Memphis

481
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,440
gorrelss after they were tied at ninety eight, and then

482
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,359
Minnesota going six of eight from three, and some of

483
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,000
those were really well defended. Really was Zoo and drop coverage,

484
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,960
Like man, I just saw him out on the perimeter

485
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:53,200
guarding dos Reid and he had a step back three

486
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,599
in his face. That is a really difficult shot.

487
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,279
Speaker 3: That's not I they hit.

488
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 4: Some crazy shots, but I do think teams gain confidence

489
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,880
is the game goes along against them. They know the

490
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,640
reputation and the Clippers are the worst clutch team in

491
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,440
the league, I think, or at least tied.

492
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Speaker 1: The reputation is what gets me. That's what frustrates me

493
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:15,960
the most. I think of it, because teams are like,

494
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,960
all right, we're down to eight at half. We know

495
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,279
what to do, Like, we know what this team's gonna do.

496
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,119
We've got to run at them. It's just like we

497
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don't foul a bunch even like we're just.

498
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Speaker 3: Like they did against Minnesota yesterday in the second.

499
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

500
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Speaker 3: That hurt them.

501
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: Nasrit is also so good.

502
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's a pretty simple formula

503
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,480
to beat the Clippers right now. And when it's you know,

504
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,880
when it's that easy, is you know, just play a

505
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,559
little harder, you know, be a guard who.

506
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Speaker 1: Can shoot threes and you'll be fine. Yeah. I don't know.

507
00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:53,200
If we get a couple more thirty and two runs,

508
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I think my tune might change on personnel changes. But

509
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I don't know.

510
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Speaker 3: The defense, whoe.

511
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Speaker 4: The defense the last three games has been much better.

512
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,839
There's seventh defensively the last three games. Yeah, that that

513
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,039
matches the eye test. There's still twenty first offensively during

514
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that time.

515
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Speaker 1: And you look at uh, I think it was the

516
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:19,599
Timberwolves game. They shot horribly from the free throw line,

517
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something they're the best at in the league. So even

518
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if that was going well, you got that other thing

519
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,079
that comes up. It's just like, oh, well, now you're

520
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:28,319
gonna miss nine free throwsers. Not that that would have

521
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,720
been the whole difference, obviously, but just like another thing

522
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:34,799
that we can't have it all go right except for

523
00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:38,839
one once every how many games we want once every

524
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,640
six games, we can like get this ship locked in.

525
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But yeah, it's not consistent right now.

526
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the free throw points a good one.

527
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:54,039
Speaker 4: Zoom missed maybe five yesterday, but other guys were missing

528
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uncharacteristically out there.

529
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Speaker 3: And yes, if it's not one thing, it's another.

530
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Speaker 4: And when your margin of error is that small where

531
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you have to get all these boxes checked to win

532
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,079
the game, and just one of them unchecked, and it

533
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,519
comes back to haunt you, even with an eighteen point lead,

534
00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:12,720
like missing free throws that could have made the difference.

535
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Speaker 3: It's tough.

536
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 4: It's hard to win your bad basketball team. That's the

537
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,000
bottom line.

538
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: Because Adam Oslin said, so.

539
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,559
Speaker 2: Gotta gotta get a lawyer and start looking into invoking

540
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:31,240
some takebacks with the yes.

541
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Speaker 1: We're taking back, we're taking back this uston, someone tweeted,

542
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,799
I can't remember what it was. I can't worret There's

543
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:43,200
been a lot of Clippers content recently where they were like,

544
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:47,480
people need to stop pretending that the Shade trade like

545
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:50,440
the context of it. Now they're like, just was it

546
00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:54,480
Richard Jefferson who said no, it was Perk who said

547
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,359
that the Kawhi contract extension was the worst signing of

548
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,920
all time. And Richard Jefferson compared the Kawhi trade, the

549
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,160
Kai MPG trade to the Luca trade from the MAVs,

550
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:08,359
and it's like, we get it, we get it. Shit

551
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,880
on the Clippers all but like that is insane, Like

552
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,119
have legitimate criticisms, go for it. Don't sit here and

553
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,079
try and tell me that that trade was as bad

554
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,160
like that, Lawrence Frank is as bad of a GM

555
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,599
as Nico fucking Harrison.

556
00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:23,759
Speaker 4: The Luca trade was dead on arrival. We all knew

557
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,160
it was a bad trade. There was one guy in

558
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,160
the universe that thought it was a good trade, and

559
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,240
he happened to be the GM for the Dallas Mavericks.

560
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,160
Where on the other end, everybody was saying it was

561
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:34,960
a good trade.

562
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 3: It was a good move by the Clippers.

563
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,519
Speaker 4: How do I know that because I got the video

564
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:42,960
pinned on end and it's five minutes long at follow

565
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:45,720
out of May, and everybody said how great it was,

566
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:48,960
and most didn't even bring up Sga, didn't even know

567
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,440
who he was, didn't care.

568
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: Like.

569
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Speaker 4: What they talked about was, yeah, it's a lot of picks.

570
00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: Nobody was even mentioning.

571
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 4: SGA pack right, he averaged ten points a game.

572
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,319
Speaker 3: He can team rookie.

573
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:06,079
Speaker 4: It's just, yeah, it's a hindsight bias with that trade.

574
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:09,640
Where Lucas was that was the first guess.

575
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Speaker 1: This is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life.

576
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,759
Speaker 4: There's no comparison. One was good process, it didn't work out.

577
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:18,680
The other was awful process and result.

578
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: Yes, right, anything else on this saga before we get

579
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into previewing the game against the Rockets on Thursday.

580
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:33,839
Speaker 2: No, there's nothing more to say.

581
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:38,559
Speaker 1: There's nothing, hopefully god Yeah, anyway, we need Carl toard

582
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,519
On here to talk about it because we know for

583
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:42,640
a fact he has some fiery takes about Chris Paul.

584
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,960
All right, coming up, Oh, Joseph I award. Also maybe

585
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,480
we waited a couple of months to bring him because

586
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:55,759
he was fire he was five years Yeah, shout out Joseph.

587
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:58,920
Coming up, we're talking the game against the Rockets on Thursday.

588
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,240
Clipt a lot of rest. It's for me an ad break.

589
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593
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: Two one, All right, welcome back in talk to Chris

594
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,000
Paul Saga. The ship storm that has been the season.

595
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,400
We luckily get a bit of a reprieve here, a

596
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,319
little four day break before taking on a very difficult

597
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:34,359
opponent in the Rockets. But I don't even know what

598
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,960
to say about this one. It's a bad matchup. It's

599
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,319
a bad matchup for the Clippers.

600
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:43,839
Speaker 1: They get a bunch of rest too, which sucks. They

601
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:46,440
played yesterday and then they don't play again until they

602
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,920
play us, which let's get where's the lawyer, but where's

603
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,279
the take backsis lawyer? Does he do rest stuff too?

604
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,759
I know, I know his specialty is take back sies,

605
00:30:57,799 --> 00:31:01,279
but surely he does some judges on the NBA scheduling

606
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:06,440
disputes too. Last year, we had issues with their youth,

607
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,599
their defensive chops, and their bench Adam haggle, No haggle.

608
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,000
Not a single thing has changed except they've now added

609
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:16,000
Kevin Durant to that equation of things to be worried about.

610
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,599
Speaker 4: You know, their average age went up a little bit,

611
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:23,000
but their overall talent also went up quite a bit.

612
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,519
Speaker 3: So they're a problem.

613
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:27,839
Speaker 4: They're one of the best teams in the West. It's them,

614
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,039
okay see on top and Denver and the Lakers somewhere

615
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:35,960
in there for being the top four teams. And they

616
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,839
play a brand of basketball that has been problematic for

617
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,720
the Clippers even when they were good. Yeah, because of

618
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:48,200
their size, because of their rebounding out there. Last season,

619
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,279
the joke was a possession doesn't start for the Rockets

620
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,279
offensively until they missed the shot. Like, that's when the

621
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,400
possession starts. Getting the offensive rebound, that's when it gets real.

622
00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:01,640
Because their offense was not very good. But when you

623
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:06,519
get multiple opportunities. Yeah, and I just looked up the

624
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:10,519
last three games, so post CP three trade, I'm not

625
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:13,039
making about CP three but I would actually say it's

626
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,960
post the starters being bench was the big difference post

627
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,400
what happened in Miami.

628
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: The benching.

629
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Speaker 3: The last three games, where.

630
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: We talk about the tail of two halves, they are

631
00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:25,000
fifth in net rating and first halves last three games

632
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,920
and twenty seventh and second halves, and I mean it

633
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,799
looks like that they look like one of the best

634
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:33,039
teams in the league in first halves the last three

635
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:36,200
games and then the worst down the stretch of those games.

636
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,640
One of those was a win, by the way, one

637
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,039
of those was a win, and still twenty seven and

638
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,759
second halves net rating.

639
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:45,319
Speaker 1: I would kill if our win percentage went up to

640
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:48,319
point three three three. We're point two to five right now.

641
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 4: We went from at best now probably a sixth seed

642
00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:58,640
at best. At best I have to be like eighth

643
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,759
or ninth at best, tenth just getting the plan.

644
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,319
Speaker 3: Is that what we're talking about? I think?

645
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: So, yeah, the winning season is also probably not happening.

646
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:17,079
They're not winning. They're gonna win forty two, they're gonna

647
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:21,640
win thirty six more games.

648
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:23,039
Speaker 3: Well, what was the end?

649
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,279
Speaker 4: What was the tenth seed last year in terms of record?

650
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,640
You know, did they have a winning record I would

651
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,680
imagine they know it was down. I guess would be

652
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:40,880
Dallas thirty nine and forty three, so close. That's that's

653
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,480
pretty bad. And Sacramento in front of them was forty

654
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and forty two.

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Speaker 3: So the ninth and ten seeds were under five hundred.

656
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 4: So yeah, you're you're not wrong, Shock, that's very realistic.

657
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: I will say the Rockets play at a slower pace

658
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:01,200
than the Clippers, So put those running shoes on James.

659
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: That's why when people.

660
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,799
Speaker 1: We need you to make it happen.

661
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: But I think people put too much into pace. That's

662
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,480
indicative of what type of team you are. It's like,

663
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,079
not really, guys, because you know, the Utah Jazz played

664
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,559
a fast pace, the Washington Whizzards, the Sacramento Kings.

665
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of bad teams the top playing fast.

666
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Speaker 4: There's a lot of good teams at the bottom playing slow,

667
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:33,559
like Houston, like the Knicks, like the Lakers. Phoenix Suns

668
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:36,440
have been good so far this season. The Boston Celtics

669
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,079
play at the slowest pace and they're fifteen to nine.

670
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's your style exactly. The Rockets do have some

671
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,400
good stats though, third and offensive rating, fourth and defensive

672
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,519
ratings second in that fifth, in points per game second

673
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:52,719
and opponents points per games.

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Speaker 3: Allowed first, and rebounding percentage.

675
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Speaker 1: That's I was the Clippers of drops. Dude. The rebounding

676
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,239
is so bad. It feels like this year Collins can't

677
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,440
grab boards. So the starting five, obviously Kawhi and Harden

678
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:12,239
have to combine for what is the Kawhian hardened line?

679
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,760
Do we think for the Clippers to be competitive in games?

680
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,039
Do they need to combine for at least fifty sixteen

681
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:25,119
and twelve for the Clippers to be in the convo

682
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:25,719
of the game.

683
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Speaker 2: I think how many times the zoo geame?

684
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, not enough? How about that?

685
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,119
Speaker 4: Did you guys see the stat There was something about

686
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:43,360
James Harden in games that he scored thirty points in

687
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,840
this season, they've lost three or four already where he

688
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:51,239
scored for thirty or more. Yeah, and in his time

689
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,320
previously with the Clippers it happened like once where he

690
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,559
scored thirty and they lost the game.

691
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: What was the score when he put up fifty? Wasn't

692
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,679
that one? Like we needed the fifty five?

693
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: That was the Charlotte game.

694
00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I'm we need the same offensive

695
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,559
output from Kwhi and Harden. John Collins is going to

696
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:18,159
get put into the ringer against the Rockets. On the

697
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:19,119
defensive side of the.

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00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 4: Ball, Collins has been rough on defense. He could not

699
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,519
handle Julius Randall. Nobody could. But before before the season started,

700
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:33,280
most would have said, this is why you get John

701
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,360
Collins for a matchup like this, and.

702
00:36:37,199 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 3: He had nothing for him?

703
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:42,079
Speaker 1: Certainly, why you get a guy like Derek Jones who

704
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,679
is coming back at some point which you really need. Well,

705
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,079
have you felt about the John Collins experience. I think

706
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:50,679
Robert flam tweeted he's one of the most frustrating Clippers

707
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:54,000
ever already, and I think I might be on that track.

708
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I mean, hopefully some of the shooting

709
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,960
stuff is an anomaly. You know, we knew defensively he

710
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:04,800
would be a liability, but.

711
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,159
Speaker 3: Not that bad.

712
00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: Not that I did not think it would be this bad,

713
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,480
but that can I mean, you know, if if you

714
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:16,840
were gonna blame uh L Frank for something, I mean,

715
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:19,079
that would be that would be one to look at.

716
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:22,199
It's another trade, I mean, like the norm, like the

717
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,320
norm trade isn't is another one that, like everybody was

718
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:36,320
pretty on board with it when it happened.

719
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: John Collins for years.

720
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: Myself and myself included like, sure it was a great deal.

721
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,039
Obviously you can't predict the Bradley Beal thing. Well I

722
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:46,320
could have, uh, but the the Collins miss step. I mean,

723
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,199
I don't know, is this like should we just don't.

724
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,599
Speaker 1: Think the defense is gonna be that bad because the

725
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:58,320
defense is like surprisingly bad while we are seeing Kawhi

726
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,280
lose a step on the defensive end, which makes things

727
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,039
harder for Collins, right, because the whole thing was like, well,

728
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:05,079
if Collins is in the starting lineup and he's next

729
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:08,760
to guys like Zoo and Kawhi, life should be easier.

730
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,719
But the point of attack defense has been rough. He's

731
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,079
I don't know if regressed is the word, if he's

732
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,840
always been this much of a sieve on defense. But

733
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,920
it's just like it's a perfect storm for every guy's

734
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:24,000
flaws to be on display.

735
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean that's another thing like if you're

736
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,360
looking at if you're looking at trades and rebuilding this roster,

737
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,199
I mean you have bottomed out the value of like

738
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,440
some of these pieces.

739
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 4: I will say though the last three games, the defense

740
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,840
has not been the reason they have lost.

741
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: They've been good in four minutes yea, even.

742
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 4: With John Collins out there, I think his defense has

743
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:50,760
been better. They've been seventh over all the last three games,

744
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,880
and they easily could be fifth. It's like fractions of

745
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,719
a point away. The offense struggling that bad when they

746
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,599
need to get points against the other team's defense. Who

747
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,239
seems like when they ramp up and they're playing harder,

748
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,519
the Clippers just cannot match them.

749
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:11,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm worried about the bench in this game. The

750
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:15,519
Rocket's best three point shooters are on the bench. Tarry

751
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:18,920
Easton is shooting fifty five three point attempts a year.

752
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:22,840
I think Reed Shepherd is shooting like mid or high

753
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,639
forties on like eight a game, like he's and he is,

754
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,679
he is such a goddamn good shooter. And he's a guard.

755
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,880
And this team has let guards enjoy their time behind

756
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:42,440
the three point line. So I'm like, Bogie, you just

757
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,719
gotta try and Matt just keep up with them a

758
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,480
little bit with three point percentage in this game if

759
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,559
we're gonna have any chance. In addition to Kawhi and

760
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,440
Harden putting up sixty to forty five and one hundred

761
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:55,360
or what I said.

762
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: Was the Miami flight so delayed because they were trying

763
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,559
to do a TAKESI backsies with pat Riley.

764
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that added a whole that added such a

765
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,480
weird ranch to the timing of the whole thing too. No,

766
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:13,880
you're fine, because before I heard that, before we knew

767
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:19,320
about the plane things, before we knew about the plane issue,

768
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,320
it was like, wait, why did this happen at two

769
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:22,679
in the morning, And it was like, oh, there was

770
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,639
a horrible plane delay. All right, that's a pretty good excuse,

771
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:28,519
billble hours.

772
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:29,559
Speaker 2: So it takes you.

773
00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: Back to the attorney.

774
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,079
Speaker 3: I just would again.

775
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 1: He gets paid in Goosebucks.

776
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 4: Well, I don't like seeing CP three go and like

777
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,519
that either. I am pretty sure the Clippers were aware

778
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:45,800
of the blowback the pr hit and they still felt

779
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,559
like they had to do it, And that should tell

780
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,280
you something about how bad things could have been behind

781
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:50,719
the scenes.

782
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: But in a season where like they can't buy any goodwill,

783
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,280
like you know, like that, like public perception of the

784
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,559
Clippers could not be lower, and they still opted to

785
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:00,480
do it.

786
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: Really could not be like.

787
00:41:03,639 --> 00:41:08,079
Speaker 4: They hold my beer aspiration investigation, like we got these

788
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:12,280
other problems, we're bad and now CB three's gone to that.

789
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,400
That's one way to distract from the aspiration stuff. It's

790
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,880
like it's just been it's just been a disasters for

791
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,280
four months or so now.

792
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: But hey, turn around with the win against the Rockets, right, Oh,

793
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,880
I'd be seeing in a very different tune.

794
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:27,599
Speaker 2: If we beat the.

795
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 1: Rockets, you're getting the championship year tune.

796
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: I'm getting to play in.

797
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,519
Speaker 1: What what tangible things can the Clippers do to keep

798
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:46,719
this one close?

799
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:49,679
Speaker 4: They want they better hit shots because they're not going

800
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,760
to be able to get many rebounds. They need a

801
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,400
hot shooting night badly.

802
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Dune was out their last game, but he

803
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,440
was sick, so I think he'll probably be better by Thursday.

804
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:05,159
Steven Adams was out because of an ankle. He's day

805
00:42:05,199 --> 00:42:08,639
to day, but again four days off, so I think

806
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:09,679
he'll probably play.

807
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

808
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,639
Speaker 2: I expect that, like the the possession battle to be

809
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,920
so lopsided in this one that I in way efficient

810
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:21,480
efficiency is like their only way out.

811
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:26,199
Speaker 1: I guess, well, the two stars have been efficient, so

812
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:26,880
that's good.

813
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 4: I think the analysis of hit shots, I mean, it's

814
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,199
tough to beat.

815
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 3: Make shots.

816
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:41,079
Speaker 1: Even when you're winning. It's good advice, Right, all right,

817
00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:42,639
do we because they're to.

818
00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 2: Be optimistically, like, optimistically, how many more possessions than clickers

819
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:47,760
in this one?

820
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: Optimistically?

821
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me see what they're averaging.

822
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 4: What's the lowest amount of possessions they'll win by?

823
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: Yes, oh, I would say.

824
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,559
Speaker 1: So they're averaging they're averaging ninety point five field goal

825
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:09,239
attempts per game, and the Clippers are averaging that's good

826
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:14,400
for seventh. The Clippers are averaging eighty four and a half,

827
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:23,000
which is twenty ninth. So we're already we're looking at man.

828
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 3: I think they're the best offensive rebounding team. They're the

829
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:27,280
best rebounding team.

830
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:33,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and their percentages are crazy good too. Yeah, clips

831
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:34,440
by three.

832
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: Could be their year.

833
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:42,559
Speaker 2: Fuck you guys, too many cookies, play too much cod

834
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:44,880
or whatever kids play whatever?

835
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: You know, Maybe it's too much cod.

836
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,519
Speaker 4: First game back, over confident at home against the Clippers.

837
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: Sounds like a trap game for the old Rockets.

838
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 2: Where are we going to be the draft? Like? When

839
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,360
can we be the trap team?

840
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: Now? It's literally on Thursday is when it starts. Dude.

841
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,639
If you lose to the Clippers now at this point,

842
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,880
is it's it's a trap it's like, okay, yeah, well

843
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,239
we I did something fucked up in the past life.

844
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,599
We lost to the Clippers.

845
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 4: That's what that could be why they were up by

846
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:17,880
eighteen on Minnesota.

847
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: We haven't had dude wacky outings. I'm telling you, We're

848
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,360
still scraping the bottom of the barrel of wacky outings

849
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,719
that this team needs to do to come together. Have

850
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:33,119
they been to golf and stuff? We don't know. That's

851
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:36,039
where Lawrence Frank needs to work on more ball pits,

852
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,320
you know, more like goofy shit.

853
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 3: Do you guys think there could be a move before Thursday?

854
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,920
Do you do? You also wonder, like me, if there

855
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,599
could be a move.

856
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,599
Speaker 1: I do, and I think this sounds weird. I think

857
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:54,960
it would maybe try and be for a backup center

858
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,840
because our current backup senter situation is despite again a

859
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,880
preseason guy who every commentator in their uncle was saying

860
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,480
was somehow the most impressive guy in camp, which I'm like,

861
00:45:08,599 --> 00:45:10,599
was this just to be nice to Robin Lopez and

862
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:13,639
he's like getting yammed on like Kobe's Sanders or something

863
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:17,480
like that. But like, we needed backup five that can

864
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,360
play every night. Small ball doesn't really work with this

865
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,960
old team in long stretches because it can't. So like,

866
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:27,840
we do the sexiest thing in the world and trade

867
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,280
away an old Lopez for a weird backup five because

868
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,119
ONI's not ready.

869
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,039
Speaker 4: I don't think is he on a player option for

870
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:37,360
next year or is he expiring this year?

871
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,679
Speaker 3: I guess just a one year deal. I couldn't remember that.

872
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 4: Look two years a little less appealing.

873
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: Then, huh club option?

874
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I was gonna saying, isn't it a club option?

875
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:51,599
Speaker 1: Great?

876
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's basically an expiring Oh.

877
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:57,159
Speaker 1: I do like here's been a good example of Google

878
00:45:57,199 --> 00:46:01,760
AI really pulling its weight for me. Disregard by spelling.

879
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:10,400
That's Brook Lopez, right, do you have a B Yeah?

880
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,159
And I think it's a Samoan linebackers.

881
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 4: It's not even Robin, It's it's a.

882
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:22,119
Speaker 1: Football player, got it. Yeah? That being said, though, a

883
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:24,920
good lesson. If you search Lipez contract you'll get Brock

884
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,880
Lopez contract. Good job on Google for making that correction.

885
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,480
I guess, Okay, you think.

886
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: That's the biggest need or just the easiest.

887
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: I do. I do not think that's the biggest need.

888
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 3: What's biggest need?

889
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,559
Speaker 1: Forty year old point guard who plays twelve minutes a

890
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:48,920
game and yells the coaches no, uh, this sounds shitty,

891
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,400
but I'm in the headspace where the biggest need is picks.

892
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,559
I think we're not dude, we just talked about how

893
00:46:56,559 --> 00:46:58,800
we might not go five hundred. I don't think there's

894
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,199
a I don't think there's a player movement's big enough

895
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:02,079
that gets us to.

896
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:04,599
Speaker 4: That.

897
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, playing competent basketball is the biggest need, and we

898
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:09,679
need to have a guy who can play back up

899
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:10,280
five minutes.

900
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm fully open to a full sell off.

901
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:14,920
I have been for weeks.

902
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 3: I think there's something too.

903
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 4: Worrying about okay See getting a higher pick could be

904
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,159
cutting off your nose to spice your face a little bit.

905
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:27,519
Speaker 3: Worry about ourselves.

906
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they don't care about okay Sees. But I

907
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:35,159
mean that not like they don't. If they don't, they

908
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:38,199
made a move. But yeah, yeah, you think Lawrence Franks

909
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:40,960
getting clowned on now if he said what everyone else

910
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,039
has already been setting saying, of like, we just did this,

911
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:45,719
so we want to make sure that okay See doesn't

912
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:50,239
get a good draft pick, people would crucify him, even

913
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,800
though they all agree with it. That would be an

914
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,159
insane thing to hear a GM say, has a coach

915
00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:58,000
ever said anything like that or like anything in any

916
00:47:58,039 --> 00:47:59,840
sport of like, well, we just want to win these

917
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,639
games to prevent our pick that we gave this other

918
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:04,679
guy from being good. Like that would be taken in

919
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,480
the wrong way, would be my guess. It's also yeah,

920
00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:13,840
not how it works. Will Do you think it trades made? No?

921
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 4: Not?

922
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,599
Speaker 2: The next word is but I mean I think they're

923
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:18,440
I think they're on the phone. I think they're exploring.

924
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: After the fifteenth, I think something maybe happens.

925
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, before the end of this calendar year, something is

926
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:26,960
going to happen.

927
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is what I say every year on

928
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:33,159
New Year's Eve, I say, guys, something before the end

929
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:39,360
of this year, something's gonna happen. And then this happened

930
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,239
and the Clippers suck. So yeah, I think I think

931
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,679
a trade is is probably likely. Do you think they

932
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,320
get anybody? Because it feels like it's either small trade

933
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,119
or big trade because the small trade does.

934
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 2: Could happen in the next four it is.

935
00:48:56,679 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 3: That's true, all trade, big trade one, not both.

936
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, that'd be cool. Oh, we didn't pick a

937
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,880
player of the game for the Houston game. So you

938
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,280
guys think's gonna you guys think is gonna catch fire

939
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,360
for the clips.

940
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: Like everyone's available for this player of the game.

941
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,679
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm going uh Kobe. I think Kobe Sanders

942
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,159
is gonna have a great game. He's been kind of

943
00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:23,880
fun to watch. Yes, he's a rookie and there's some

944
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,000
bad stuff, but hey, if you wanted youth to play

945
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,320
watch Kobe, you put up some good tape earlier.

946
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:35,599
Speaker 2: In the week going big Zoo the only chance at

947
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saving our season trading him for two first But if

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we have a losing season but Zoo rows his hair out,

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Oh oh, I'm okay with that.

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Speaker 4: You know what, So you're saying not a losing season,

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Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Those are.

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Speaker 2: Zoom. Until we break off a win streak of ten games,

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you can't cut your hair, dude.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it is that I'm open to Visa Zoo bots

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being traded and I hate saying that statement. Oh yeah,

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if that happens, I mean, that's such an admission of

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a failed season. If you have to trade a Visa

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Zoo bots, that's just.

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Speaker 2: I mean, or you just really get the right price,

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you know, if if something is looking like a McCall

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esque deal.

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Speaker 1: Who's looking for I love Zoo, but what contender is

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because it's someone with a bunch of picks, right like.

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Speaker 4: The you don't but it's not a rental and he's

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on a good contract, and it does make sense for Boston.

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I I think I think that's just reading tea leaves.

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I've been talking about Anthony Simon's for a while. Oh

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that's who they're getting back by.

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Speaker 1: That will You're an Anthony Simons one of them. Yeah,

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some picks and Anthony Simon.

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Speaker 3: Sure, it's not trading Zoo, is I I understood it.

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Speaker 4: Trading Zoo is an admission of a failed season. That's

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an admission of a failed era. If you are trading

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a beatsa Zuper.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, or like I said though, or

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just the really right price.

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Speaker 3: No, but it's even with the right price.

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Speaker 4: It's like this era is over to the point where

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the only way we can get picks back was trading

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our best asset that is going to be good, that

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may win with somebody else.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's hard. It's hard to think about our longest.

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Speaker 4: Tenured clipper, the guy who understands the fan base the most,

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that really relates.

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Speaker 3: I would hate that.

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Speaker 1: If we trade Zoo for a good haul, I would

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be sad, but I would understand why. Sure, if we

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trade Zoo for a good haul and he grows his

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hair out on his new team, I will genuinely feel scorned. Yes,

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I'd burned my Zoo wig. It's a bald cap with

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a number one. All right, do we have anything else

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we want to add about this Clippers team. We're talking

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about bald caps, which senses that things might be going

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off the rails, not as far as they could go. Oh,

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when do we bring dips back? We said five and twenty,

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which that's not happening. Sorry, fellas, We're not going to Applebee's.

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But six and twenty eight, six and twenty four. If

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we're at thirty losses before we get to ten wins,

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oh oh god, damn man, I was looking their stephal two.

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We might.

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Speaker 2: If we get to thirty losses, rememb where we get

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to ten wins. This might become a Dips and Movies show.

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Speaker 1: Dude, we're gonna talk about dips. We're gonna talk about movies.

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We're gonna talk about all.

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Speaker 2: The Patreon content you've ever wanted to be available.

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Speaker 1: On the main free they go, Rockets on the eleventh,

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Grizzlies on the fifteenth, Thunder on the seventeenth, Lakers on

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the twentieth, Rockets again on the twenty third, Blazers on

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the twenty six, Pistons on the twenty eighth, Kings on

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the thirtieth.

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Speaker 2: Fellas jacq Lavine could be a Clipper by then, Oh.

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Speaker 3: My revenge game for zach Lavine.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what if you.

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Speaker 2: Don't give up draft capital and you get zach Lavine

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and just keep him as a rental, Like you don't.

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Speaker 1: Know, But I would say that we're there, We're the

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Los Angeles Kings. I would say that is a Sacramento

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Kings ass move because we're also matching salary, aren't we

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sort of like trading James Harden or Kwai No, it's

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John Collins and a bunch of Olier stuff.

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Speaker 3: I would say, the Los Angeles I like that.

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Speaker 1: We're talking like we're Lakers fans with these trades. No,

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I know, I know, I know, I'm being yeah, yeah,

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what were we saying at him?

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Speaker 4: They're like, because the Kings were the new Chicago Bulls

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on the West coast, so you're like the La Kings.

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Speaker 3: Bulls or Chicago La Chicago Kings.

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Speaker 4: Like it's something that's an amalgamation of things that probably

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wouldn't make people.

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Speaker 1: Let's go baby, let's do a rebrand. What if they

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did a rebrand before Thursday? Do you think that would

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get people to forget about the season going poorly?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: We become the Cabby Euros. All right.

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Speaker 2: Paul George appearing in the rebranded jerseys for the promotional

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stuff and never playing in one is one of my favorite.

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Speaker 4: I got a question, who do Clippers fans root for

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more tonight or root against more tonight? I should say,

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do you harder against Paul George or harder against the Lakers?

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When Philly's taking on the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: I think you root harder against the Lakers. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't want Paul George, but I want Paul George

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to suck in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want him to remain healthy, but be bad.

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Him getting hurt so much makes it hard to kind

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of hate watch because I'm like, he just might get

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hurt while I'm watching this, and I don't want to

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put the energy out. All right, Well, I think it's Lakers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely is for me.

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Speaker 1: Hope they flip their bike and nuck their two front

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teeth out a traditional arrival so you can never see

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them one. Yeah, wait, are we are we mathematically eliminated

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from winning the division? We need a big meter behind

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will that says X amount of games until we're mathematically

1056
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,639
all right. We're gonna maybe Happy Hour stream on Friday

1057
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:45,639
to talk the Rockets game and whatever new insane bullshit

1058
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:50,519
will be happening. Episode out for next week on Sunday,

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most likely. Will I think we do a better job

1060
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,400
with this podcast than the Clippers are maybe doing playing

1061
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,639
basketball right now? Where could people share similar or differing

1062
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,920
thoughts as to that? Yeah, give us your praise, we

1063
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,880
need it right now, we all need it. You can

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do that.

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Speaker 2: You can shower with praise over on Apple Podcasts or Spotify,

1066
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,639
and of course listen wherever you get your podcast. The

1067
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:16,559
best way to shower us with praise is over on

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00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:20,039
YouTube dot com at Clippers Podcast, where you can watch

1069
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:23,440
this show. You can tune in for those Friday live streams.

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Comment you know, but however, you listen wherever you watch. Hey,

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I hope we're making it more enjoyable than the Clipper seasons.

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Speaker 1: Bet we hope we can be a small beacon of

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light in these choppy waters. That is the oceans of hell.

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Speaker 2: The egg in these trying times, Yes.

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Speaker 1: Man, eggs for days. Adam continues to be this is

1076
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the hardest part of every episode. We need you to

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say something positive for Clippers fans to get us ready

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for this for Rockets week.

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Speaker 4: You know, I saw.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a lot of murray that put

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it up.

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Speaker 4: Clippers winds loss is depending on how many days off

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they've had before that game, and I don't think we

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know yet their win loss record before having four days

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off and how that next game goes. So I mean,

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I'm taking that as a positive. It could it could

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definitely be a victory.

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Speaker 3: There's no trend.

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Speaker 4: There's no bad trend that says that they lose or

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they're zero to three every time they have four days

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off before a game.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm going with.

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Speaker 1: They can put up two undred points. We don't know.

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Speaker 3: This is on turn of territory.

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Speaker 1: Shit, let's do it. Let's put up two hundred all right,

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Let's hope. Let's just hope there's a good process. We'll

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be back with y'all if something weird happens between now

1098
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and the game, we'll have some content for you. If

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they re signed Chris Paul just to cut them again,

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we'll go live. We'll make sure to get all that

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on there. Thank you for hanging out as always, let's

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go clips