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<v Speaker 1>Callarogas shock media boy.

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<v Speaker 2>There is so much going on with podcasting and comedy

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<v Speaker 2>high I'm Johnny Mack in a busy Wednesday with your

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<v Speaker 2>daily comedy news. Is all right? The big one? Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Maren kind of shockingly announced that WTF with Mark Maren,

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<v Speaker 2>his podcast that's been around for sixteen years, will end

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<v Speaker 2>this fall. On Monday's episode with John mulaney and I

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<v Speaker 2>did pull some clips, Maren said, WTF is coming to

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<v Speaker 2>an end, and it's our decision. He made it quite

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<v Speaker 2>clear that this was a co decision with producer Brendan McDonald.

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<v Speaker 2>He was very very clear about that. Maren said, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have our final episode sometime in the fall. The podcast

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<v Speaker 2>turns sixteen years old on September first. More than sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>hundred episodes. Probably the most notable one was Barack Obama

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<v Speaker 2>in the Garage. I actually use that to teach my

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<v Speaker 2>college students on this is how you do it. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to miss the show a lot. I find Maren

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<v Speaker 2>very easy on the ears, the conversations always good. There

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of weeks where Maren has the same

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<v Speaker 2>guest as someone else, for example, John Maliney and the

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<v Speaker 2>Maren version of it is just better. Maren explained. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't some kind of difficult decision necessarily, neither me nor Brendan.

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<v Speaker 2>We're the only people in charge of this operation at

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<v Speaker 2>every level. We both realized together that we were done.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's listen to Mark Maren explain it.

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<v Speaker 3>And this started, you know, the old garage, the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just no one knew what a podcast was. I was

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<v Speaker 3>coming out of a horrendous divorce. I was wanting to

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<v Speaker 3>figure out how to continue living my life. Things were

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<v Speaker 3>not looking good for me. Brendan MacDonald my producer who

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<v Speaker 3>I'd worked with for years on other things radio and

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<v Speaker 3>streaming related. And when Brandon and I started this saying,

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<v Speaker 3>all we knew was we were going to do it

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<v Speaker 3>every Monday and Thursday, and there was no way to

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<v Speaker 3>make money. There was no way that we knew how

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<v Speaker 3>to build an audience or anything. And it was crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>We were doing it in a garage at the beginning

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<v Speaker 3>that was just a garage. It was filled with junk,

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<v Speaker 3>and it slowly evolved into the show that became what

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<v Speaker 3>you listened to twice a week. Sixteen years we've been

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<v Speaker 3>doing this and we've decided that we had a great

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<v Speaker 3>run and now basically it's time, folks, it's time WTF

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<v Speaker 3>is coming to an end, and it's our decision. We'll

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<v Speaker 3>have our final episode sometime in the fall.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I remember listening to the show. Podcasting has had

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<v Speaker 2>kind of two waves. The second wave everybody puts around

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen with Cereal, But there was that earlier wave

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<v Speaker 2>when we all first got phones and you would actually

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<v Speaker 2>have to connect to your phone to iTunes and manually

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<v Speaker 2>download a show. Before we left the house. He had

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<v Speaker 2>something to listen to, and I was out running, and

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<v Speaker 2>I remember Maren and Nerdiced were like two long form

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<v Speaker 2>pods that you would grabs. You would just have stuff

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<v Speaker 2>on your phone to listen to as your bran. Maren said,

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<v Speaker 2>we're tired, we're burnt out, and we are utterly satisfied

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<v Speaker 2>with the work we've done. We've done great work. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean I'll never have, you know, talks like I do

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<v Speaker 2>here or some kind of podcast at some point in time,

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<v Speaker 2>but for now, we're just wrapping things up. It's good

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<v Speaker 2>that he gets to go out on his own terms.

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<v Speaker 2>Maren said, it's okay for things to end. We started

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<v Speaker 2>the show on our terms. We grew it on our terms.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll end it on our terms.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the right decision for me, it's the right decision

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<v Speaker 3>for Brendan. It's okay, it's okay for things to end.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just time, folks. But again, we'll have a few

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<v Speaker 3>more months, so don't get all bummed out. Let's just

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<v Speaker 3>enjoy it. The world is on fire. I have the

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<v Speaker 3>people I want to talk to. We'll find a little joy,

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<v Speaker 3>We'll find a little connection, We'll find a little solid

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<v Speaker 3>in each other's company.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, notably, he never did video, and that's the big

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<v Speaker 2>thing in the industry right now was, oh, you gotta

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<v Speaker 2>have a video, and this has always been an audio podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Maren Show actually debuted a month after the Adam Carolla

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<v Speaker 2>Show and three months ahead of Rogan, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>got into the interview with John Mulaney, which was separately noteworthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now what rang my ears? Listen carefully to John Mulaney

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<v Speaker 2>commenting here, Maren asks him will there be another season

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<v Speaker 2>of Everybody's Live? And I had pointed out on this

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<v Speaker 2>podcast a few weeks back Robbie Prau, who heads up

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix Comedy, gave some sort of quote that made me go, huh,

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't the slam dunk we were led to believe. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>listen to m'laney here, I'm not sure this show's coming back.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen Have they said we're doing more yet we Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a plan to do more and we're figuring

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<v Speaker 4>it out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, are you gonna U?

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<v Speaker 4>I never know what to say to that.

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<v Speaker 2>I also like this clip from John mulaney. He's almost

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<v Speaker 2>defiant that if if something works, he's going to stop

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. Fair enough, respect the mindset, but it's why

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<v Speaker 2>the show doesn't work. But here's Mulini.

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<v Speaker 4>Anytime you say they're figuring it out not a bad set,

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<v Speaker 4>a side of me comes out, you know, like they've

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<v Speaker 4>they've found their groove. No, we haven't. I'll do it blindfolded.

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<v Speaker 3>And also when they say things like they're figuring out,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just a diplomatic way of saying if not.

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<v Speaker 4>Good, Oh, I think they just say it's not good

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<v Speaker 4>when they don't like yeah, I think we're no longer

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<v Speaker 4>living in the decent era of uh, well, they're figuring out.

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<v Speaker 3>I think people want the best for you, John, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Molini also talked about being offered the oscars he did

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<v Speaker 2>confirm that it was offered to him. He said, I

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<v Speaker 2>was very flattered. They came to me. Must have been

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<v Speaker 2>last summer, and I knew Jimmy Kimmel wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 2>do it, and they offered it, and it was honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>they had a lot going on, and it's months and

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<v Speaker 2>months of work. Both he and Maren praised Conan. Malini

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<v Speaker 2>said he came out and was not only funny, but

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<v Speaker 2>he elevated the show to the point I almost convinced

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<v Speaker 2>myself that I'd seen these movies and I han't seen

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<v Speaker 2>one of them. Mary makes some good points that Conan

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<v Speaker 2>will sometimes self erase when he's floundering, and in the

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<v Speaker 2>first few seconds of the Oscars, you could see Conan

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<v Speaker 2>was almost heading towards a flounder and then found himself.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a really good listen Maren and Malaney. But

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<v Speaker 2>I have plenty of more podcasts for you to listen to.

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Rogan had on Jimmy Carr a very good three hours.

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<v Speaker 2>I can listen to Jimmy Carr talk about comedy all

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<v Speaker 2>day every day. Here he talks about Heckler's and.

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<v Speaker 5>Then I'm trying, but then I'm trying to I've got

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<v Speaker 5>a good fastball, and then I'm trying to work on

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<v Speaker 5>the other bits. But that's kind of what I love

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<v Speaker 5>about the industry because.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's everything.

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<v Speaker 5>You go, yeah, I can get good at that, and

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<v Speaker 5>then I can I can do you like twenty minutes

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<v Speaker 5>of fastballs, and then do I've start About a year ago,

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<v Speaker 5>I started putting. I started working with a videographer and

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<v Speaker 5>putting stuff out of like Heckel videos and people talking

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<v Speaker 5>to me, yeah, I'll and you go. It's just such

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<v Speaker 5>a joyful thing because it's almost like doing the stuff

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<v Speaker 5>when you go, just hit me whatever you want. I'll

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<v Speaker 5>do anything. It's like seeing magician do real magic, because

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<v Speaker 5>you kind of go, right, yeah, I've worked this muscle

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<v Speaker 5>hot enough I can. I'll write jokes life for you now.

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Carr is also the guest on kil Tony. Haven't

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<v Speaker 2>gotten to that one yet. The podcast The Town had

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<v Speaker 2>on both Mulaney I'll maybe talk about that in a

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<v Speaker 2>few days and had on Mike Burbiglia. The clip I

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<v Speaker 2>pulled here Mike Burbiglia sounds to me like the Netflix

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<v Speaker 2>money isn't what the Netflix money used to be. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>for bigs.

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<v Speaker 3>Are they still paying top dollar though? Are you? I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have to give me numbers, but like they're

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<v Speaker 3>still treating you well because I've heard some pullbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there have been. I don't look at other

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<v Speaker 1>people's papers that much, but.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never, honestly, I've never made a ton of money

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<v Speaker 1>from comedy specials.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of it is just like marketing.

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<v Speaker 1>Getting well, yeah, and it's getting like, look, I do

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<v Speaker 1>a really specific thing, like I consider myself the luckiest

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<v Speaker 1>person in the world to have found Netflix. I shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even say this on record because it'll make my negotiation

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<v Speaker 1>for the next cringe exactly, but it's it's like Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>is the best thing that ever happened to me, because look.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I Mike Berg would turn this off.

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<v Speaker 1>I make shows that are combination of Broadway shows, theater, storytelling,

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<v Speaker 1>and sinup comedy, like nobody before Netflix. Nobody was like,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to get that on Comedy Central.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just now before I started recording, walked the

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<v Speaker 2>Dog for an hour and listen to Diary of a

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<v Speaker 2>CEO with Guess Jimmy Fallon. I really enjoyed it. It

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<v Speaker 2>was nice to hear Jimmy Fallon in real person mode.

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<v Speaker 2>But boy, the way he tells the story he was

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed and convinced he would be on SNL by age

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five. It almost sounds like hogwash, but you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to him say it over and over and he believes it.

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<v Speaker 2>The host even asked him, well, what would happen if

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't get SNL by twenty five, and Fallon like,

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<v Speaker 2>can't even entertain that as a premise of like, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you mean? Of course I was going to get

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<v Speaker 2>it very interesting. There one thing that was a little fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It got cleaned up at the end, But in the

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<v Speaker 2>first half of the podcast, they were making it sound

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<v Speaker 2>like by phrasing it this way that Fallon replaced Letterman,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean kinda sorta, But that's like saying Jay Leno

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<v Speaker 2>replaced Jack Parr, I mean kinda sorta. Later on, Fallon

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<v Speaker 2>said that he replaced Conan, which is factually accurate. A

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<v Speaker 2>note to everybody in the podcast industry, this is my

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<v Speaker 2>number one pet peeve, but I'm specifically calling you out

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<v Speaker 2>Diary of a CEO guy. So in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast, Jimmy Fallon is talking about dying, about what

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<v Speaker 2>it will be like when he dies, and it abruptly

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<v Speaker 2>cuts to a live read of the Diary of a CEO.

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<v Speaker 2>Guy trying to sell us an iced coffee. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>train wreck. People. You have to place these commercial breaks.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very easy. I do it on this podcast every day.

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<v Speaker 2>If you notice what I will do is I will

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<v Speaker 2>leend a story in a down inflection and I leave

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<v Speaker 2>a nice little hole there and that's where the commercial goes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very easy to do, and I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>people can't do. Whether there's so many train wrecks. The

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<v Speaker 2>worst train wrecker of all is Tim Dillon mid sentence

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<v Speaker 2>train wrecks. Joe Rogan is awful. Plus the reads come

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<v Speaker 2>mid sentence. Spotify do better anyway. Diary of a CEO

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<v Speaker 2>very very good. Listen with Jimmy Fallon. Fallon talks about

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<v Speaker 2>the highs and lows of his career and auditioning when

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<v Speaker 2>he was in his twenties. He says he wasn't the greatest,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm a pretty positive guy in general, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was probably my lowest moment. I remember like

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<v Speaker 2>on a down inflection. Late Night had some fun with

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<v Speaker 2>the notion that Joe Biden had been replaced by a

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<v Speaker 2>was replaced by a robot, a clone, it's Melania, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Gus Corner, Fortune Fiemester posted on Instagram about the call

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<v Speaker 2>moving forward. Andrew de Simuks got married. According to a

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<v Speaker 2>Late Nighter, Andrew has married fellow comedian Ellie Dixon this

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<v Speaker 2>Horrible story. King of the Hill voice actor Jonathan Joss murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>The voice actor was shot and killed on Sunday. According

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<v Speaker 2>cent premiere in August, had already begun recording. Just hours

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<v Speaker 2>fifty nine. Nick Offerman jumped on social media, hitting back

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<v Speaker 2>A man had shared a clip depicting nick Offerman's Parks

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<v Speaker 2>f hashtag happy Pride. Seth Meyers gave the commencement speech

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<v Speaker 2>to choate Rosemary Hall's class of twenty twenty five in Wallingford, Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 2>very uppity. He joked that the smartly just teenagers holding

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<v Speaker 2>For example, we didn't have a head of school. We

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<v Speaker 2>Not only did my school not of trustees, there was

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<v Speaker 2>barely anyone you could trust. Seth continued. Nothing that is

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<v Speaker 2>wrong in the world today is the fault of people

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<v Speaker 2>You should get it from late night talk shows. And

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<v Speaker 2>today it is the Women of Comedy Emmy Showcase. Eliza

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<v Speaker 2>Slussinger soshirs Amada will join host Whitney Cummings for the

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<v Speaker 2>Writing rule of three, fancy schmancy, It's a Decrescent Theater

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<v Speaker 2>four two panels. The event is presented in partnership with

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<v Speaker 2>offering financial crisis relief, mental health and substance abuse treatment sponsorship.

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<v Speaker 2>So I hope the people that are paying for those

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<v Speaker 2>Also today Loons on the Lake. The Loons on the

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<v Speaker 2>There is also a comedy competition with ten thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>up for grabs forty comedians. You get to do an

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<v Speaker 2>Where's that going? That's your comedy needs for today? All right,

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