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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ Leaves all.

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Speaker 2: Right, we get ready, believe it or not. For the

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first weekend in August, there is is should I say,

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decently significant card coming in Chicago. The Golden Boy Deson

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Speaker 1: We've got some news.

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Speaker 2: We've also got a fight recap from the Japanese Card

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Championship upset in Japan on Wednesday morning, US time. We're

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going to go over all of it as part of

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our coverage here on the Big Fight Weekend preview show

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and on this podcast feed. I am merely the somewhat

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capable host. Hello to our insider, Happy August Dan Rayfield.

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Fight Weeks Unite is the substack and the newsletter. We

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gotta be honest, we don't have a ton to preview

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this weekend. We do have a fight card to preview.

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Speaker 1: We've got a little bit of a recap, we got plenty,

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we got a lot to go over.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, some deaths in boxing, which is a bit of

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a downer, but you're gonna You're gonna give us some

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good nostalgia on the different people that are.

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Speaker 3: Involved, and then I've been right, nobies.

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Speaker 2: I know it is a sobering thing to take a

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look at. I mean, look, we'll digress for just a second.

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We got podcast, we got YouTube. We got plenty of

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But I mean, this was a sobering week with the

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lunatic driving all the way across the country and shooting

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up the office building on Park Avenue in Manhattan, New

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York that houses the NFL and Big Dan. He intended

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idiotically and insanely to go into the NFL offices with

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an automatic weapon. So that has shaken, obviously the pro

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football community to its core, which I am part of.

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I'm part of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Radio broadcast. It

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has just been another reminder of what kind of lunacy

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can be out there when this guy drove all the

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way from Las Vegas, Nevada for three straight days to

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come shoot up an office building in New York with

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complete innocent people and a New York City police officer,

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et cetera. So it has been a week for sure.

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Let's lighten it up. Let's talk some fights, shall we,

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You and me. Let's begin with what happened to our

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guy kin shiro Taji in the main event for the

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unified flyweight title as Ricardo Sandoval gets off the canvas

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and pulls the upset. So let's get to recapping.

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Speaker 3: This was a dynamite card. This was one of the

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teake In Promotions cards that normally we would have saw

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on ESPM plus Breakfast in Boxing, at least here on

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the East Coast in the United States. But because of

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top Ranks SI expiration of their deal with ESPN, and

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that was the conduit that they went through. It wasn't

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on ESPN Plus, but his own acquired the rights and

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did it in the United States and in the UK,

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and so we could still watch a live which I did.

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I did my normal routine. I didn't see the earlier

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fights live. I got up, like as the co feature

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was wrapping up the post fight interview, was able to

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watch the full Taraji A. Sand the Bull fight live

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in bed. Thank you very much. But this was a

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hell And then I went back and watch the other

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fights later, obviously, but this this was a highly entertaining

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card and this made event was was really excellent. Taraji,

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you know, he did lose it. It was a close decision.

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particular fight was a split decision. One of the judges

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that at one fourteen, one thirteen in favor of Taraji, reasonable.

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favor of Sandibal reasonable. One judge had a won seventeen

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to one ten in favor of Sandoval. Didn't really like

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that one, but I can't but but put that aside.

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he was traveling from the United States to fight in Japan,

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in the home country of the champion who was a

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popular figure there. But the judges, they got it right.

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and that he and he eked it out even though

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cards out and the fight was clearly in the balance

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on two of the cards, but that to matter one

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it didn't end up mattering, but the other one. He

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won the fight and kept it from being a split

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decision loss or whatever by winning all those rounds on

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very nice, real sharp right hand that landed right on

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eye opener. Put it to you like that. In other words, Taraji,

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he realized very quickly after the knockdown. That okay, I

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it was a good shot. But the fact he was

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able to overcome not only the knockdown in terms of

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physically to maintain himself and keep himself together, but to

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come back and then win rounds late and do the

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job in you know, not only does he win the

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WBA and the WBC Flyway titles, but he is a

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very very rare in boxing history, a rare American flyweight champion.

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I should have done a little research on it before

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this show, but there aren't a lot. I mean, I

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think of Mark Johnson. You got to go back into

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like the late nineties, early two.

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Speaker 2: Thousands, Sharp Johnson, right, and you attended a too sharp

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Johnson fight.

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Speaker 1: Always tell us that story as a former champions.

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Speaker 3: The very first world championship fight that I ever covered

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was Amark Johnson Flyway title defense. He's obviously an American

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from Washington, DC, actually lives probably twenty minutes from me.

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the day. This is in like the mid nineties, and

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maybe I'm missing somebody, but I'm here's the point though,

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it's extremely rare, and so for Sandoval, you know who's

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a California fighter. You know boxes for Golden Boy Promotions.

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huge win. He's now twenty seven and two, but you know,

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hadn't fought top, top guys. But I have to say,

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and I'm not gonna I'm not detracting it any way

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from what Sandival did, because it's hard to go on

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the road. It's hard to come back from a knockdown,

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it's hard to do what you did on the enemy

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turf like that against your best opponent by far. But

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so called trap fight. And I say that because earlier

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this year he was in World War three hillatious, hillatious,

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hillatious battle with a Koui in that unification fight that

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he barely survived and took a tremendous amount of damage

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in that fight. I mean I can't overestimate or or

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underestimate I guess the amount of damage he took in

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that fight. He was down, he rallied. We've discussed before

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about the rarity of coming back and scoring a knockout,

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a stoppage and a fight you're losing in the final

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round of a world championship fight. That's what he did.

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you know, eighty nine seconds left in the fight. But

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that fight took a tremendous amount out of him, and

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so for him to come back again, not against you know,

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a superstar opponent, but against you know, a good, solid professional.

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like he came back too quickly. This fight was in

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to end of July. You know, in America, guys would

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of that. You know, in today's modern boxing, you know,

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six months off after that kind of fight would not

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be out of the realm. He came back even quicker

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than That's only been about four months, so you know,

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if you ask me, you know, Taraji ain't getting any younger.

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There's a guy that's been in a lot of hard fights.

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He's into his early thirties, and that may not sound old,

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but when you're fighting as a flyweight or a juni flywaight,

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that's ancient.

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of the fight on, much like it was in the

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Akui fight.

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Speaker 3: It was Sandabal was all marked up. Also, he had

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ruse under his eye and he had marks on his forehead.

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I mean, this was a heavy hitting, a rough, tough fight.

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be happy for the kid. I mean, that's the lifetime

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achievement right there, to not only win one of the belts,

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but two of the belts, do it on the road,

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do it in a hell of a fight on top

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of what was an outstanding card, and then, uh, you know,

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there'll be opportunities. Most likely, he's gonna probably wind up

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going back to Japan because that's where the action is

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in the flyweight division, in the smaller weight classes, as

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where you can make money by going to places like Japan.

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I don't know if there's a rematch clause. I would

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think there might be. This was not a mandatory fight.

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that Taraji had suffered, if he go back to twenty

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twenty one, this is when he was the WBC's junior

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flyweight champion. He fought Masamichik Yabuki, his countryman, and he

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got stopped in the tenth round of that fight. He

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took an immediate rematch a few months later and he

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scored a third round knockout to regain the title and

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went on what has been an excellent run since then.

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Because listen, Taraji has not you know, he may not

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be everybody's on their tip of everybody's tongue if you're

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a boxing van, but if you follow the sport, you

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know this dude, and he's folled good guys. The rematch

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with Yabuki that he scored the knockout, had a big

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knockout against Kayagucci that was an outstanding with victory Olaskagua,

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who went on to become a champion a former champion,

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Hecki Butler, who was a good fighter for many years, Kenazalis.

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He scored a close win against Rosales, who was a

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former champion. Then the big, big comeback and great fight

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against a Koui, which again for me, there's only two

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fights that are in the conversation right now for literal

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fight of the year for twenty twenty five. One of

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them is Taraji Akui. One of them is Connor ben

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and Chris Eubank. But it's gonna be one of those

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two unless we see something, you know, big time in

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the second half of the year. So I just say

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props to Sandable and we'll see if they do a rematch.

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a really a good way to end what I thought

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was a great show.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Interesting that that was the upset in the main event.

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a drawl with Diigo Higa for the WBA bantamweight title. Again,

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a couple of the recaps of that fight. What do

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because he had an eye injury he was dealing with,

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so he kind of backed into to the full title.

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a nobody. Antonio Vargas was a United States Olympian. I mean,

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he comes with some credentials and he's done a good

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job getting to this point. And he showed a lot

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of grit because you know, he didn't maybe know it,

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but he's down on the cards going into the twelfth round,

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and he pulled out the draw because he scored a

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knockdown in the last round. That's what got on the draw.

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So he doesn't get the knockdown, he loses the title.

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So that's a huge, huge thing, and you know he's like, well,

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I guess it counts as a defense. It's not the

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outcome I wanted. But at the end of the day,

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when you're the champion and you get the draw, at

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the very least you get to keep the belt, which

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means he got another nice payday coming after that. So

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he did retain the title. On the draw. He is

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a guy who's now been in multiple draws. He's got

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three draws in his records. It's a second draw in

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a row. He had the draw with Satsumi when he challenged.

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When Susumi he still had the title. So now this

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is interesting. So while Vargas said he'd be willing to fight,

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he get in a rematch. The real fight is against

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assuming now's ASSUMEI, like I said, he was made champion

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recess because of the eye injury, but apparently he is

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healed and he got into the ring afterwards very respectfully.

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He had his title belt, and he was the woman

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that does the translation for a teaking who was very funny.

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She's like, there's something weird going on in the WBA.

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There's two title belts that are identical here in this ring.

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Speaker 1: Because it's the WBA.

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Speaker 3: This is me talking the WBA doing the WBA things

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where there's multiple belts. So their perspective was we got

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to unify the recess title and the actual title. So

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I can't say for sure what the Japanese folks are

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gonna do with taking promotions, but it seems to me

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the bigger fight for both guys financially for Vargas. In

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terms of what the level of the win would mean,

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I would imagine that you'll take a rest, he'll come

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back in next fight. He'll be back in Japan, probably

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against Assumi, who will be out of recess, and they'll

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have that fight and that'll be a heck of a fight.

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So good job by Vargas. You know, another kind of

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hard luck as draw for he got it was a

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legit draw, like and there was not even like, it

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wasn't a split draw, it wasn't majority. This was all

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three judges had at one thirteen to one thirteen, so

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everybody was on the same page. And he rescued the

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title with the last round knockdown, so also dramatic, a

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dramatic situation, and it was kind of a weird knockdown

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because it was it was legit, but it wasn't like

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a devastating knockdown. He didn't have him really badly hurt,

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but it still counts. He get the extra point and

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it was a It was another good fight, and again,

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like I said, on an overall outstanding card. All right.

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Speaker 2: Then the final fight of those cards of that card

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and championship fights was Kazuki Takami winning the Junior Flyway

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WBA title beating Eric Rosa.

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Speaker 1: That was a technical knockout. Anything else, well.

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Speaker 3: This was the opening. This was the first of the

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three world title bouts. Then. Rosa has been a guy

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that has been around for a while. He had had

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a second tier WBA belt in the lower weight class,

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but he got screwed around by your boy Neim Trong

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for so long. We're not able to get that mandatory

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done and blah blah blah. So he went up and

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wait and he got the belt. There they were. These

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guys are both undefeated, but they were very few professional fights.

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Rosa was eight and oh coming into the fight and

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Tokami was nine and o coming into the fight. But

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that happens a lot when you're in the little, tiny,

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little white classes. They move offully quickly, and uh, you know,

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got to get the most out of their early part

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of their careers. But to Kami was like a revelation.

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Like Rosa, I mean, he may only have had eight fights,

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but I've seen like probably you know, seven of them

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going into this fight. I mean to me anyway, he

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was pretty well known. Uh to Kami, I I only

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had heard about had never seen before, and uh, he

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he looks like a very another one of these Japan

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has got so much talent right now. Uh, it's just ridiculous.

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And he just a very dynamic fighter, exciting, good style

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of watch and he just took a to Rosa, who

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played it a little bit safe, I thought, and in

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the end, you know, he got to win a well

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deserved victory. He had him. He was pounding them around

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in the tenth round and was just kind of out

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of gas when the fight was stopped by the referee.

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He had been down earlier in the round. Mark Nelson

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was a referee, and he's a well known, you know,

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top level world championship referee, so he had gotten the

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knockdown earlier in the round, and later in the round

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when he went down again, I'm not even sure if

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they ruled it a knockdown, but he was so gassed

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out and could barely like pull himself up off the

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ropes that Mark Nelson just stop to fight, which you know,

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there was a little bit of a protest from Rosa,

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but I feel like it was kind of like a

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half hearted protest, like it was a good stoppage, and

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you know what, Takami if that's the kind of style

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he's gonna fight, and you bring him on my TV screen,

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on my computer screen any day a week, I'll watch

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him all day.

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Speaker 2: Long, breakfast in Japanese boxing for another week.

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Speaker 3: That was hard. Just upset, Yeah, that I mean the

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Kami from my way of thinking, was a mild upset Vargas.

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I can't say an upset with the draw, but a

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heck of a fight in the main event, a tremendous

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fight and definitely an upset. I mean that what do

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you want that's competitive fights? You may not have a

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position for star names, but that was a really fun

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show to watch.

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Speaker 1: Ticket all right.

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, there's only really one prominent fight card

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in the United States for this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I'd said that.

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Speaker 2: Aren't fight cards all over the globe, but that is

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the Golden Boy Desonne card in Chicago. Oscar Duarte Kenneth

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Simms junior. They are junior welterweights. We touched on this before,

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but it is now fight week for them. Tell me

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more about this contender battle that is going on at

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one hundred and forty pounds in the preview mode.

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Speaker 3: I have said this TJ from the moment, this fight

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was made. I love this fight. I think it's a

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tremendous matchup. I know it's not sexy names, and it's

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not big world championship fight, and it's not pound for

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pound stuff, but this is quality matchmaking. This is a

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good fight. Two golden boy guys, both look going to

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take the next step in the division one hundred and

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forty pounds. Both guys have been involved in some significant

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bouts relative to titles and names a face, but they

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this is important for both of these guys. So it's

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not like an official eliminator. I refer to it as

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like the facto eliminator because the guy that wins is

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definitely in position to fight for a title in my mind,

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maybe not as a mandatory, but certainly somebody that one

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of the guys with a belt may look to. You

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know Duarte, we know a Mexican banger. He's twenty nine

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and two with a draw, twenty three knockouts. He comes

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to fight my man and most people. Unfortunately, he's probably

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best known because back in twenty twenty three he got

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stopped in the eighth round by Ryan Garcia. But he

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has won three fights in a row since then, one

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of them that he defeated was Achmadov. That was a

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good win where he got a ten round victory. The

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reason I mentioned Acmandoff is because that's a common opponent

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that he has with Kenny Simms, and Simms had a

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battle royale against Akmandoff, which I believe was like a

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title eliminator in the WBA, and they went to absolute

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freaking battle on showtime. This is back in May of

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twenty twenty three. Spectacular fight. I had it on my

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list of like it was in the top three or four,

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let's say, or five of the fight of the year

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for that calendar year of twenty twenty three. So they

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both have the win against him, but good style matchup.

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Like I said, one guy is the consonant Mexican slugger

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brawler Nnis Simms is an American. He's a good boxer,

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but he has no problem standing and fighting, which is

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the kind of style that I like to watch. He's

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twenty two, two in one with an eight knockouts, not

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a big puncher, but he can definitely box out a

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good amateur pedigree. And the thing that's interesting is that

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I love the fact that Golden Boy is getting out

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of its comfort zone, like they're so used to doing

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their fights in southern California every single time. You know,

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they've gone elsewhere here and there in recent times, like

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they've gone to Vegas. They did there, Ryan Garcia, Devin

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Hainey fight in New York. But most of the time

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they're in they're either in Vegas that they're in California.

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They're taking the fight to Chicago, which is a very

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very good fight town, but has been so neglected for

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years and years and years for this type of level

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of a fight. I mean, I'll just put it in perspective,

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like I've been covering boxing twenty five, twenty six years,

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I've been to Chicago for boxing maybe like six times.

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I mean, it's very rare because there just hasn't been

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big type events. But the reason why they're doing this

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in Chicago is Kenneth Simms is from Chicago. There you

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go and but more also, but part of the equation

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is that Duarte, who is a Mexican. People may not

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realize this, but Chicago has a very good Mexican community.

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Like they turn out their Mexican fan base. So you're

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gonna have the Chicago fans who are gonna be rooting

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for the local guy and Zim's. But I'm pretty sure

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you'll see a smattering or a good group of the

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Mexican community turnout for this fight. Also, which which matches

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up well make it exciting. And I think I think

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these guys are gonna put on a hell of a fight.

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I mean, I'd be really disappointed in surprise if we're

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back here taping our podcast night on Sunday night and somehow,

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some way we're saying, now, this was a terrible fight.

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I just don't see it. I don't know how that's

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going to be the case.

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Speaker 2: All right, And again, Sims lost to Samuel Taya and

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has now since won nine fights in a row.

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Speaker 1: Not all of them are household names.

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Speaker 2: You did mention the ACMA Dolph win an A recently

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won a decision with Kindo Castaneda back in February. So

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this will be an intriguing I'll use the word intriguing

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main event, co feature. I don't know if I'll use

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the word intriguing. Who's got anything left? Regius Pro, Gray,

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Jojo Diaz Junior welterweights And this is a fairly laid

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ad in the last week or two to this card,

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am I correct with Pro Gray uh and Diaz both

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basically here almost at the end.

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Speaker 1: Does anybody have.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Golden Golden Boy probably knew they were going

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to do the fight. It was just that they hadn't

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announced it, I guess. But this is like the loser

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leaves town kind of fight.

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Speaker 1: Get a little Leafs Town match. I like it, Yes,

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so so.

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Speaker 3: Pro Gray is obviously the guy that's more conditioned for

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this weight class. He's been fighting in the junior welterweight

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division for a very long time. He is a former

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champion in the weight class two times as a matter

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of fact, and at one time was considered you know,

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number one, two or three for a for a while

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in the division. But he's coming off three really terrible

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performances in a row. I mean when he won the

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vacant WBC title looked really good. He got an eleventh

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round knockout against Josees Paid, who's been in the ring

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with everybody always give guys tough fights. That was back

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in November of twenty twenty two, and since then it's

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been all downhill. We've discus the hometown fight he had

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in his next out June of twenty three against Dan

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alitos Aia. He want to barely want a split decision.

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Lookap in that fight, he blamed it on you know,

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the hometown pressures and the distractions, and okay, some guys

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don't thrive at home like others. You know why you

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chalked it up till I had a bad night, even

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though you got the win and you got out of

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dodge and he got that split decision barely and he

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had actually scored a knockdown in the fight. Now, Devin

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Haney goes from being undisputed lightweight champion moves up to

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one forty to challenge Progra for his title in the

473
00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:34,920
one forty division. This is in December of twenty twenty three,

474
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,960
and Regis Prograd goes into the ring and loses every

475
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,279
single minute, every single second of the fight, gets dropped

476
00:21:41,279 --> 00:21:43,559
in the third round and literally loses one hundred to

477
00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:45,519
one hundred and twenty tow one hundred and seven and

478
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,960
all three scorecards. An absolutely future performance and a great

479
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,359
performance from Hane. At that point, you're like, man, pro Gray,

480
00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:54,799
he might be done, but maybe you give him the

481
00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:57,359
benefit of the doubt because Hany is a really good fighter,

482
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,000
and maybe the styles weren't right. He's a great boxer

483
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,359
and whatever. But then he goes to England and this

484
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,720
is back in October and he fights Jack Catterau, a

485
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,599
very winnable fight and he looks like trash again. And

486
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,119
yeah fight he loses a pretty clear decision, you know,

487
00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:16,839
eight to four, uh, you know, nine to three types

488
00:22:16,839 --> 00:22:20,559
of scores. He got knocked down twice in the ninth

489
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:21,200
round of that fight.

490
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: I mean, let's keep it real.

491
00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 2: He doesn't look, he didn't look in these last two

492
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,519
fights like he has anything left. Oh, and that's what

493
00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:28,839
he's got to dispel Saturday night, that does he have

494
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:29,599
anything left?

495
00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 3: Program look between Zuria, Haney and Catau. You know once

496
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,759
you know, okay, it happens twice. Three is like a trend.

497
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,720
So he's trending in the wrong direction. He is thirty

498
00:22:39,759 --> 00:22:41,559
six years old. He's been in some hard fights. I mean,

499
00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:43,920
if you go back, i mean the Josh Taylor fight

500
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,559
was life and death. He's been in some tough ones

501
00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:49,519
through the years. So this is this is like a

502
00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:51,920
do or die. In my mind, you can't beat Jojo Diaz.

503
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,759
You need to retire for really now. Joseph Diaz is

504
00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:57,599
a disaster. Okay, Joseph Diaz for a little he was

505
00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:00,279
an olympian, had a great amateur background. He won a

506
00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:03,119
title at one hundred and thirty pounds, and then he

507
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,480
had all kinds of issues making weight, had a lot

508
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,920
of issues outside during had substance abuse issues, just just

509
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,640
a complete fucking mess. Went from being like, you know,

510
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,079
a nice, sweet guy, sweet kid, to a real fucking preck.

511
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,319
To be quite honest with you, I got no love

512
00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:20,519
for Joseph Diaz as the human being. I think he

513
00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:23,240
was a bad guy. I don't wish bad on him.

514
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,519
I'm just being real. But he went on a brutal

515
00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:27,839
skid there. He lost like what three in a row.

516
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,599
He got an easy win and then he lost another

517
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,200
three in a row. He's coming off a win where

518
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,880
he actually made the one hundred and thirty five pound

519
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,559
weight limit. He won an eight rounder. This is back

520
00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:39,279
in June. But now he's going up to one forty

521
00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:44,160
to fight Regis Progray. And to me, anyway, Diaz has

522
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,039
been long done. Abused himself way too much, didn't take

523
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,400
his training seriously. Loss to just you know, Jimoke type opponents.

524
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:54,960
One of the good opponents that he did lose to

525
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:56,920
and one of the things about Jojo Diaz is that

526
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,880
he was always whether he won or lost, always knowing

527
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,680
to have a great chin, just a really outstanding ability

528
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,960
to take the shot. Well, your boy Deuarte, he was

529
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,079
in the main event, knocked him out clean in the

530
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,319
in the ninth round. This is in April of twenty

531
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,720
twenty four. That's the only knockout loss that Jojo Diaz

532
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,920
has suffered in his career. And then he lost his

533
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,400
next fight, and then, like I said, he got to

534
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,119
win in June. So this is definitely the loser leaves

535
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,400
town like he is hanging on by a string. You know,

536
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,160
he is a a journeyman at this point. You know,

537
00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:28,599
you can't take away the Olympic berth, you can't take

538
00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:31,440
away the world title. But he's done absolutely nothing that

539
00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:35,200
mattered since like two thousand.

540
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:34,759
Speaker 1: In a while.

541
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: On the pod feed, what are we doing here? Co

542
00:24:37,319 --> 00:24:39,799
features somebody somebody no problem.

543
00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 3: With the fight. I got no problem with the fight.

544
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,319
Speaker 2: I mean, somebody's got to get well here. Hopefully we

545
00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:46,720
don't get a dull dance off. Nobody can land anything,

546
00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:49,200
dear God, for ten rounds.

547
00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:51,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe the guys are a little shotski and like

548
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:53,279
they're gonna have some trouble. But the other thing is

549
00:24:53,319 --> 00:24:55,720
when guys are not what they were. And I'm gonna

550
00:24:55,799 --> 00:24:59,400
use an extreme example when Muhammad Ali and Joe Fraser

551
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,880
fought to third. Both guys were shot and they couldn't

552
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,359
move anymore, and so they stood right in the set

553
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,720
of the ring. They beat the libait out of each

554
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,920
other and it turned out to be one of the

555
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:06,559
great And.

556
00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: Just compare the potential pro Gray Jojo fight.

557
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,279
Speaker 3: You miss what I said?

558
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: No, I didn't miss what you said.

559
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 3: Bring it up in the same example, an extreme example.

560
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,400
So maybe because both guys are not what they were

561
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,759
and can't move like they once did, they will stand

562
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:24,279
in the middle of the ring and slug it out,

563
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:26,240
knowing that their careers are on the line.

564
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: All right. Maybe.

565
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 2: Uh, there's also a heavyweight on this card in Joshua Edwards. Well,

566
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:36,119
tell me more about the fight that he has on

567
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,200
this Golden Boy dezzone Saturday night, Chicago.

568
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:40,039
Speaker 3: You know what, it's not so much about the matchup.

569
00:25:40,039 --> 00:25:41,799
He's fighting guy named came in Audi. I don't know

570
00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:43,680
anything about him. He's like four and one. I mean,

571
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,559
they just found him, I suppose. But the thing about

572
00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,160
Joshua Edwards is he's three and oh with three knockouts,

573
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,519
and why he is notable. He's on the young side

574
00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:52,960
as a heavyweight, twenty five years old from Houston. He

575
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,000
was the United States Olympian UH in the most recent

576
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,880
Olympic Games. And so when we talk about the lack

577
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,759
of American heavyweights, and we mainly focus on, you know,

578
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,039
a couple of guys that are there. Maybe you know,

579
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,000
there's Jared Anderson, whose star has dibbed in recent times.

580
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,519
You know, some of the guys that are that that

581
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:15,440
were there, that were contenders that maybe aren't necessarily going

582
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:16,079
to be come cham.

583
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,559
Speaker 2: Richard Torres is out there lurking as an unbeaten Torres

584
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:20,319
is the prospect.

585
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 3: And in terms of like the contenders, like you know,

586
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,359
there's Jerald Miller and a couple other guys. Andy Ruiz

587
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,200
is still hanging around, even though he's not a young

588
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,920
guy anymore. But if you're looking for besides Torres on

589
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,680
the younger side, who might be able to make a splash,

590
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,839
who who's worth keeping an eye on, it's Joshua Edwards.

591
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,200
Like I said, Olympic pedigree signed with Golden Boy, going

592
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,920
into a fourth pro fight, twenty five years old, has

593
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,920
shown good punching power, seems to have good work ethic

594
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,799
by all accounts, and so again it's not about who

595
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:51,359
he's fighting. This is the very early days of his

596
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,359
pro career. He only turned professional back in April of

597
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,920
this year, so it's his FOURTS fight so far in

598
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,119
twenty twenty five. It's just I'm just putting it out

599
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,599
there if you're if you're looking for a heavyweight to follow,

600
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,400
who's American that might have a chance to do something.

601
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:06,440
I think Joshua Edwards might be her guy.

602
00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 2: All Right, stay tuned Saturday night onto his own. That's

603
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,519
the most prominent fight card that's out there. Will at

604
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:16,240
least have something to recap on on Sunday, coming off

605
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:19,640
the weekend going into Monday. All Right, fight news, And

606
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,119
it's been a rough week with deaths in the sport.

607
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:25,519
First of all, you and I have great affinity for

608
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:27,880
the eighties the nineties of the nostalgia and the name

609
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,759
Dwight Braxton which became the name Dwight Mohammed Kawi, and

610
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:36,039
he passed away earlier this week after a long illness.

611
00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:37,559
Speaker 1: Let's begin with that.

612
00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: On Friday, Actually, Wes Yeah, he was seventy two years old.

613
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,480
And if you liked relentless action fighters who threw a

614
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:49,680
lot of punches, who didn't mind taking a couple of

615
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,519
shots to land their own, and Dwight Mohammed Kawie was

616
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:54,920
your guy. And he's got a fascinating backstory because here

617
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,240
is a man who was not an amateur boxer, who

618
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:01,559
was a guy that was like a lot of young guys,

619
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:04,640
got in trouble on the streets, got arrested, got sentenced

620
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,559
to prison for armed robbery, went away to Rahway State

621
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:09,440
Prison in New Jersey, where you know he was from

622
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,119
New Jersey. And in the prison they had a boxing

623
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,240
program and he learned a box and he did well.

624
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:16,759
And when he came out of prison, he was twenty

625
00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:19,039
five years old, looking for a direction in his life,

626
00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:21,359
probably hoping not to go back to the can and

627
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,200
turned professional. But had learned enough as a as a

628
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,799
prisoner and had shown toughness and I guess somebody saw

629
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,440
enough in him to have him turn pro and that's

630
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,319
what happened. He started.

631
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: I can't remember off Tom did he fight on one

632
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,200
of those televised cards on NBC that they would have

633
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:41,000
at It was Rallway Prison right in New Jersey.

634
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: He was not the prisoner at that time. He went

635
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,279
and fought James Scott, who was the prisoner.

636
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: He went back to you are the wealth of nostalgia.

637
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:51,960
I thought that I remembered him fighting a fight in prison.

638
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,759
And again, for those that think that were making this

639
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:56,480
crap up, YouTube it up, go back and look at

640
00:28:56,519 --> 00:29:01,200
it that they actually had Saturday US Network TV live

641
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:03,839
boxing from the prison and Kawee fought in one of

642
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,200
the fights. I think he was Dwight Braxton still at

643
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:06,559
that point.

644
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, he didn't.

645
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: It was wild.

646
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,559
Speaker 2: They're standing there with security guards obviously with shotguns standing

647
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:15,960
around the perimeter of everybody watching and all the prisoners,

648
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,279
it's wild, are all dressed the same, sitting like it's

649
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:22,359
a bad B movie and it's actually going on and

650
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,480
it's an actual fight. That's that's the environment that he

651
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,839
learned to box in.

652
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:28,799
Speaker 1: Is your point?

653
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think I think, if I'm not mistaken,

654
00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:34,000
that one of his uh, one of his one of

655
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,759
those fights might have even done an HBO, but definitely

656
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:38,319
on the networks. But the point is he fought at

657
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,559
back at the prison where he was had been an inmate. Uh.

658
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:43,640
But he started off his career like you know a

659
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,160
lot of guys, you know, you start off you see

660
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,680
guy that's won one and one and at least in

661
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,839
today's day in age, I'll give you pause and be like, okay,

662
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:51,960
well how far can the guy go? But he was

663
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,039
a guy, like I said, no amateur career. Uh, and

664
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,240
built himself up and you know, and didn't look like

665
00:29:58,279 --> 00:29:59,880
you know. He was fighting in the light heavyweight division

666
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,920
at that time. He later fought as a cruiserweight and

667
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,640
as a heavyweight. But he was a stocky guy five

668
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,359
foot seven, you know, always undersize is usually compared to

669
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:11,200
his opponents. But heart of a line, big heart, you know,

670
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,319
maybe maybe small stature, but big heart.

671
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:14,279
Speaker 1: Uh.

672
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:16,759
Speaker 3: And then he had the big breakthrough where he beat

673
00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:18,680
a couple of name guys, Mike Rossman who was a

674
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,400
former champion, the James Scott fight that I just mentioned,

675
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,839
who was the fight that took place in Rahway And.

676
00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: There was a year, what month and what year was that? Well,

677
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,599
we make ourselves fiel even older. It was something like this.

678
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,279
Speaker 3: No. No, those two fights I mentioned in between Rossman

679
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:34,200
and uh and Scott, those were in nineteen eighty one.

680
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: Eighty one. My god.

681
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: But the thing that was so crazy about the Scott

682
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,079
fight is Scott had been in prison and was ranked

683
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:44,720
by the WBA, and so he fought him in the

684
00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:46,720
prison and you know.

685
00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: Trying to work his way up to his title shot.

686
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 3: So he gets so he gets those two big victories,

687
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,839
and that paved the way, you know, for him to

688
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,960
get the shot against Matthew Sad Muhammad, who was a

689
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,759
Hall of Famer who was the WBC light heavyweight champion.

690
00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:03,640
They that was an HBO fight they fought at in Philadelphia,

691
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,839
and he when he won the title. I mean, it

692
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,599
was a great story. Sad. It was always in fucking

693
00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:12,039
great fights. I mean, I mean, if you never saw that,

694
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:14,119
I mean, I'm not saying that's like an all time classic,

695
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:16,519
but it's worth watching. He stopped them in the tenth round.

696
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:19,039
This is December of eighty one. He wins a WBC

697
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,559
light heavyweight title. He takes one title defense a few

698
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:26,319
months later, and then later in eighty two, him and

699
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:28,160
Sod have a rematch and he knocks him out again

700
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,240
in the sixth round, and he made one more defense.

701
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:33,480
But then this was a huge deal. Now there had

702
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,160
not been an undisputed light heavyweight champion in terms of

703
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,200
the unification of the belts and forever of the two

704
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,680
beltyer we're talking about. This is nineteen eighty three. The

705
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,200
IBF has still not become into a fact yet. And

706
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,279
it was a huge deal. Michael Spinx was the was

707
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:55,599
the WBA champion. Yeah, WBA champion, and anyway, they did

708
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,160
a unification fight and it was a big, big deal

709
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,319
on HBO. Now, the fight itself, unfortunately not to be

710
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,480
a stinker. That's one where I would tell you not

711
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,640
to go YouTube it up. But Spinx ended up winning

712
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,720
the decision to become the undisputed champion in the light

713
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:14,000
heavyweight division at that point after Dwight Mohammad. Now he

714
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:16,200
had changed his name. Actually, it's interesting, when he was

715
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,960
fighting the Sphinx fight, he had already converted to Islam

716
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,680
and had changed his name to Dwight Mohammed Khahwei. But

717
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:25,480
as a favorite to the promotion, to help sell tickets

718
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,160
and the awareness, he was known to the public as

719
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,000
Dwight Braxton, so they referred to him and promoted the

720
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,599
fight as him being Dwight Braxton, just because that was

721
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,799
already that was important to the so after the fight

722
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,559
was over though, he then became you know, in terms

723
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:43,880
of his public persona, promotion, etc. He was now Dwight

724
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,400
Mohammed Kahwei. And you know, like a lot of guys,

725
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,079
they lose the light heavyweight. Cruiserweight was a new division.

726
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,279
He moved up to the cruiserweight division. He fought you know,

727
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,400
a handful of fights, but he went over to South

728
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,519
Africa and he won by eleventh round knockouts. This is

729
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:00,200
a fifteen rounder. Nineteen eighty five, he stops the South

730
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,200
African pet Krauss in South Africa to win. H win

731
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,960
the win one of the titles. Uh had a had

732
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,720
a non title fight and then uh, you know, Leon Spinks,

733
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,480
who had been the heavyweight champion was now fighting a cruiserway.

734
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:15,440
He absolutely beat the living shit out of him in

735
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:19,039
nineteen eighty six and retained the title. And then yeah

736
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:23,079
comes the Now he's still a WBA champion. Now they

737
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:25,119
called it the w BA. It wasn't really called cruiserweight

738
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,759
by the WBA. It was referred to in television shows.

739
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:30,519
If you saw a newspaper article, junior heavyweight is what

740
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:35,000
they called it. He gets the opportunity to go to Atlanta, Georgia,

741
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,559
live on absa wide world of sports, and the up

742
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,880
and coming undefeated eleven to zero Olympian Evander Holyfield big prospect,

743
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:45,079
is now challenging Dwight Muhammad Kahwei. A huge step off

744
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,720
for holy Field. And we've discussed this before.

745
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: This this fight.

746
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: This is arguably, in my opinion, there are there's a

747
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,559
lot of great cruiserweight fights that have happened in the

748
00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:58,279
division's history since it was created in the eighties. The

749
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:00,720
two best fights in the division history for my money

750
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,720
are the first fight between Evander and Dwight Mohamed Kawei

751
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:05,640
and the and the fight which I was fortunate to

752
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,440
be ringside for, which was James Tony against Vasili Jiroff.

753
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,039
But Holyfield Kawe won a sick one of the last

754
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:17,039
great fifteen rounders. Holyfield wins a split decision. Phenomenal fight.

755
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:19,719
You can find it easily on YouTube. Just an outstanding battle.

756
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,480
Holyfield won the title. That was the first title of

757
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,840
Evander's career.

758
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: The fight, as I like to say, on a bathroom rug,

759
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,679
toe to toe, no mystery, just brawling.

760
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,559
Speaker 3: Like I've heard stories from Holyfield about how dehydrated he was,

761
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:36,079
Like I forget what I was like. He went in

762
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,119
the ring, you know, at one weight, and when he

763
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,159
came out, he was like, you know, twelve pounds.

764
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,159
Speaker 2: Lazing hot in the summer in Atlanta, no air in

765
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,519
the Omni the arena where the Hawks played basketball.

766
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,079
Speaker 3: So wow. This is the moment in the podcast where

767
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:50,840
we we talking about Dwight, Momma and Kawei, where I

768
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,880
tell you that I have in my collection an immaculately

769
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,280
mint condition program from the first fight between Holyfield and

770
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,440
Kawe which is not an inexpensive program.

771
00:34:59,480 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: How do you know?

772
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: How do you how do you know that you have

773
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,440
that program? Because I have I'm joking with you, how

774
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,519
do you know that you have that program? The Dwight

775
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:09,599
Muhammad Kawe ev.

776
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 3: I just can't fucking find it.

777
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: You haven't been able to find it for how long?

778
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,519
Confess to the audience.

779
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 3: The last when I looked for it was probably like

780
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:19,880
a year and a half, two years ago, and I

781
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,239
can't find it. So I'm in you know, you only

782
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,719
see what you see on the screen. I'm in my

783
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,039
office in my house. I know, I know, and I

784
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:28,000
have buy boxing shit.

785
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: I went stacked stacked or boxes files.

786
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,079
Speaker 3: I got ship all over the place here and it's

787
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:37,880
actually not it's it's it's it's not organized, but it's

788
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,519
not messy. But the point is, somewhere in this room

789
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:44,679
is that program, and I will find it someday. But

790
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,000
it's a beautiful program. And Dwight Man mount Kawe was

791
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,079
in great fights. So he had a rematch with a

792
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:52,920
Vander seventeen months later. He lost by a knockout. Uh

793
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,880
And at that point, you know, he then moved up

794
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,679
to heavyweight. This was the comebacking George Foreman. He got

795
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,440
knocked out in the seventh round, and at that your life,

796
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:03,320
he's pretty much done. He got one more title shot

797
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,159
at the cruiserweight title back in eighty nine. He challenged

798
00:36:06,199 --> 00:36:09,159
Robert Daniels, who was a middling champion. He actually fought

799
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:12,039
him to a split decision loss. That was his last

800
00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:13,639
time he got a chance fight for attle. He still

801
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:15,760
fought a number of more times after that. You know,

802
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,159
he didn't retire till nineteen ninety eight, but you know,

803
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:20,480
it was pretty much after the George Foreman fight probably

804
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:23,199
that most people considered him done. But you know, for

805
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,000
a guy that had no amateur career, you know, he

806
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:29,800
reached the heights by beating guys like Sad Muhammad and

807
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,719
having some great battles and even you know the destruction

808
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,920
of Sphinx going to South Africa to win.

809
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:37,599
Speaker 1: As you laid out, he was a big deal.

810
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 2: And you can't write the history of the eighties and

811
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,199
the light heavyweight division or the cruiserweight division without talking

812
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:42,800
about this guy.

813
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,199
Speaker 3: And he had a great nickname, the Camden buzzz Up.

814
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,800
Yes from Camden, New Jersey. And we know. One thing

815
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,159
I love about that is so Camden has produced some

816
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:53,559
fighters Jersey Joe Walcott. So one of the one of

817
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:55,679
the younger fighters of today is Raymond Ford, the junior

818
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,079
lightweight and tender former feather with that older and I

819
00:36:58,079 --> 00:36:59,679
think it was on our podcast. I was doing an

820
00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:02,239
interview with him. Maybe it was in person somewhere else,

821
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,079
but anyway, I remember talking about like going to following

822
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,639
the footsteps of the great fighters that have come from Camden,

823
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,599
and he actually knew the history in reference to White Mohammakahi,

824
00:37:10,639 --> 00:37:13,239
and I found that to be heartwarming because a lot

825
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,280
of the younger fighters that I did, I talked to

826
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:20,079
and interview, they're very knowledgeable about what's happening now in

827
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:21,920
their own division and who they might want to fight,

828
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,800
But they often lacked the perspective of who came before them,

829
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,559
whether it's in their weight class or maybe from their hometown.

830
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,000
But I love the fact that ray For was well

831
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,679
aware of who' d white Mohammed KAUI.

832
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: Was love that.

833
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:37,639
Speaker 2: Unfortunately we continue with the rips the next one. I

834
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:40,400
did not really know this name very much, but I

835
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,760
rely on you. Don Elbaum is the name a Hall

836
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,320
of Fame promoter and matchmaker. Tell us more about him,

837
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,480
educating me and the audience.

838
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: If you stick around boxing long enough, you'lls inevitably you'll

839
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:56,320
hear somebody describe somebody as a boxing character like and

840
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,679
somebody that that just is I can't even describe it,

841
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,800
just has a lot of stories, might not, may have

842
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,000
a challenge with the truth at times.

843
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:10,679
Speaker 2: Ah different, funny maybe conniving.

844
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: All the above never dun.

845
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,559
Speaker 3: The epitome of that guy. A boxing lifer. He had

846
00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:20,039
a handful of amateur fights and he had a handful

847
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:23,480
of pro fights, but his real calling was matchmaking and promotion.

848
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,199
He you know, if you look at the bio from

849
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:28,840
the Boxing Hall of Fame, he was inducted in twenty nineteen.

850
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,760
He had promoted. He started match making age fifteen, started promoting,

851
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,360
you know, at age eighteen. He did a lot of

852
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,679
shows in like Cleveland area, Ohio, Erie, Pennsylvania, Buffalo, New York,

853
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:44,400
you know that that part of the country. All in

854
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,000
all that, the Hall of Fame says he was the

855
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:50,280
matchmaker for around ten thousand fights, promoted over a thousand cards,

856
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:52,840
including during a five year stretch at the at the

857
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,480
Tropicana in Atlantic City. Remember in the nineteen eighties there

858
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:58,159
was thousands, zillions of cards in Atlantic City all the time.

859
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,800
He did about close to two hundred shows just at

860
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,639
the Tropicana over a five year period. And here and

861
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:08,360
then he also, like I said, promotion manager, advisor, you know,

862
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:11,880
jack of all trades, boxing lifer. But just to give

863
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,519
you an idea of the types of people that he

864
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,679
was involved with at one time or another, these are

865
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,440
fighters that either matched or promoted at one time or another,

866
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,840
Muhammad Ali, Sonny Listen, Floyd Patterson, Willie Pep, Aaron Pryor,

867
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,559
Roberto Durant or Sugar Ray Robinson, and then others who

868
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:30,159
were not necessarily Hall of Famers, Ernie Shavers, Nikolai valuevs.

869
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,159
Simon Brown, Tony Tubbs, Maurice Blocker, all guys you know

870
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,960
that were well known at their times, Lots of those

871
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,400
guys who had won titles. I came to know Don

872
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,920
at the early days of my time at USA today.

873
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,719
We're talking around two thousand and two thousand and one. Somehow,

874
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,239
some way he got my phone number. He used to

875
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,840
call me at the office at USA Today. And as

876
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,360
I wrote in the obituary, always had a grand plan,

877
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,239
always had a fight to sell, always had a story

878
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,280
to tell, and always had a twinkle in his eye.

879
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:02,119
And as I posted in my my story on social media,

880
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:04,320
I said, he had a million stories and some of

881
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,519
them were even true, Like he would tell you all

882
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:08,719
kinds of you took a minute to get there.

883
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 2: And then you and then you take a second and go, okay,

884
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,559
all that's crap.

885
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,199
Speaker 3: But he was also the kind of guy that again

886
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,599
he would call me. This is back when he was

887
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:21,000
working with the VALUEV. This is before VALUEV the WBA

888
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,920
heavyweight Champion. He was really more of an idle curiosity

889
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,679
to a lot of people. Remember this is this is

890
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,079
pre YouTube. There was no real footage of the guy.

891
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,000
He was just got this reputations. There's this seven foot

892
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:35,039
two Russian. It was a heavyweight that's, you know, bigger

893
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:37,280
than Drego who was gonna be the next heavyweight champion.

894
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:41,239
And and he was helping uh to to carry him along.

895
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:43,599
And so he would call me to scuss VALUEV and

896
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:44,880
I was like, all I'd like to see the guy.

897
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,880
But Don was the kind of guy. He'd call me

898
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,079
like ten times in a week and then I wouldn't

899
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:51,480
here from him for like six months. And when he

900
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,480
would call you the next time, it was like nothing

901
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:55,079
ever happened. You just pick up where you left up.

902
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:57,079
I could have gone ten years without talking to the guy,

903
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,639
and you talk to me and be like nothing ever happened.

904
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,159
So that was that. Now he has two other important

905
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,519
aspects of his time in boxing besides what I was

906
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:07,960
just talking about, the fighters who worked with for better

907
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,159
or for worse. He brought Don King to boxing. Don

908
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:13,360
Albaum was doing shows in the Cleveland area where Don

909
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,360
was from, and Don was trying to get in with

910
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,559
Muhammad Ali. Don was out of prison. Don didn't know

911
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:20,840
a lot about boxing, but he was looking to do

912
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,880
some kind of actually a charitable thing with a hospital

913
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,480
a black hospital that was having financial problems. They were

914
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,599
going to put on an event to help raise money

915
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,639
to save the hospital. He wanted to do an exhibition

916
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,360
and bring Ali. And the way the story goes is

917
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,119
that he didn't do boxing in Cleveland, that he didn't

918
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,400
go through Don Elbaum, and so he got in touch

919
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,440
with Don Elbaum and Don brought him in and they

920
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:42,280
ended up doing the event. And so as he says,

921
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:45,679
you know, I brought Don King into boxing. You know,

922
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,280
I'm sorry. Maybe I'm not sorry, but that's that's how

923
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,079
Don became entrenched in the sport.

924
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,519
Speaker 1: And have him to blame or praise.

925
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: So this is like nineteen seventy two, you know, he

926
00:41:56,039 --> 00:41:59,280
facilitates this event with King. Two years later King is

927
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,480
fucking promoting the Rumble and the Jungle in that was

928
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:04,960
the way that went and the other thing that was notable,

929
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,280
And you can look on in his Twitter feed and

930
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,320
the great ring announcer Michael Buffer, you know, who had

931
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,239
never done a ring announcing thing in his entire life,

932
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,880
who was basically working as a model at that point. Yeah,

933
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,239
for some reason, this is like forty three years ago

934
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,039
this summer, Buffer said that Elbaum, who was doing all

935
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,360
these shows in Atlantic City, asked him to announce fighters

936
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,159
from a ring in a shopping center parking lot in

937
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:30,760
Atlantic City to help promote an upcoming event he had

938
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,280
at the Tropicana. And that was the very first time

939
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,039
the Buffer ever did any ring announcing. And as Michael said,

940
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:38,599
he didn't pay me anything but a compliment, but it

941
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,239
allowed me to go to the next gig and tell

942
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,599
them I had some experience. And then he got hired,

943
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,079
and ultimately Bob Aram hired him and he became the

944
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:49,679
ring announcer on the old top ranked ESPN series back

945
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,599
in the eighties, and Michael Buffer became one of the

946
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,440
most not one of the single famous ring announcer of

947
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,239
all time. So Lbaum gave us don King gave us

948
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,719
Michael Buffer all the fighters. I mentioned a lot of

949
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,599
great stories and you know, again described I many as

950
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:08,239
a run and esque character. But in my opinion, and

951
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,079
I didn't do business with the guy, but my interactions

952
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:13,679
with him through the years were always hilarious and fun

953
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,360
and pleasant. Are really well known to everybody within the business.

954
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,039
Colorful character, you know, and he would do promotions like

955
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:26,599
he won stage an event to let's determine who's the

956
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:29,119
world's worst boxer is and the loser has to retire.

957
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,119
He sold advertising on the souls of fighters shoes, so

958
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:35,840
what they got knocked out, people would see the advertisements.

959
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,519
He one time did an event where they had one

960
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:40,639
of the fighters on the card. They put him in

961
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:43,039
the ring before the show and he got married and

962
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:45,119
then a little later in the night he got you know,

963
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:47,360
he had his boxing match. Like those are the types

964
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,159
of crazy fucking things that he promoted and thought of,

965
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:53,159
and those were things that weren't done at that point.

966
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:57,159
And so again a boxing lifer from fifteen to ninety four,

967
00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:59,199
he was in the business.

968
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: Love it.

969
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: And then unfortunately one more and that is famed trainer

970
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,559
Tommy Brooks, who worked with a lot of different fighters

971
00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:08,800
and championship fighters, most notably near the end of the

972
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,599
career working with Mike Tyson. But say some more fill

973
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,400
in the blanks here on Tommy Brooks's passing.

974
00:44:13,639 --> 00:44:15,199
Speaker 3: Well, Tommy is a guy who is in the New

975
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,480
Jersey Boxing Hall of Fame, but really should be at

976
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,360
the very very least should be on the International Boxing

977
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,440
Hall of Fame ballot, which he has not been on.

978
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:26,000
I'm hopeful that he will someday. I knew Tommy for

979
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,519
many years, hadn't talked to me in a few years.

980
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:30,199
Last time I spoke to Tommy, I was doing a

981
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,360
piece for the Ring magazine. They were doing a Mike

982
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,639
Tyson tribute issue, and my assignment for that piece was

983
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:37,920
to do like the tail end of Mike's career, like

984
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,960
they were broke up Tyson's career into different segments. I

985
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:44,039
was doing the post earbiting, which was sort of like

986
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:47,039
the end game of Tyson's career, of which I had covered,

987
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:49,360
And Tommy was Mike's trainer for six of those fights,

988
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,840
so I'd gotten to know Tommy pretty well during those years.

989
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,760
Tommy was in the room when I had that fateful

990
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,320
first ever interview that I've discussed with Tyson. Tommy was

991
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,079
in the limousine with me when I got thrown out

992
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:04,199
of that interview. Going back to the hotel, I had

993
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,360
a good relationship with Tommy. Tommy was an amateur boxer.

994
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:10,920
Tommy has two wins and the amateurs against Michael Spinks.

995
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,880
He beat him twice in significant tournaments in nineteen seventy five,

996
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,760
and then Michael Spinks went on in seventy six to

997
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,159
become the Olympic champion. Obviously, he went on to become

998
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:23,440
the light heavyweight world champion as a pro and the

999
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,639
heavyweight champion as a pro. But Tommy, he turned pro.

1000
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:31,000
He had a middling career as a professional, but he

1001
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,280
turned to training and he got as he said, this

1002
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,960
is a quote from him talking about how he got

1003
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,159
his you know, his knowledge about becoming a trainer. You

1004
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:42,760
couldn't learned from better icons. And then he says, this

1005
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,960
is his quote. I always say in boxing. He got

1006
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,800
my AA and BA degrees from Archie Moore, I got

1007
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,239
my MA from George Benton. I got my PhD from

1008
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,639
Eddie Futch and Lou Duva taught me at a stand

1009
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:56,039
up for by guy. So he worked with Archie Moore,

1010
00:45:56,159 --> 00:46:00,440
famous trainer and also all time great champion, George Benton,

1011
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,719
who was you know, partners with Lou Duva on a

1012
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,840
ton of guys. Eddie Fudge one of the great trainers

1013
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,239
also of all time, and ultimately he married into the

1014
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,039
Dua family boxing and royalty. He married Donna Duva, who

1015
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:14,880
was the daughter of Lou Duva, the famous manager and

1016
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,280
trainer who was so his brother in law was Dan Duva,

1017
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,000
who founded main events, which was the nineteen eighties starting

1018
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:26,000
when they founded a promotional powerhouse. His widow is Tommy's

1019
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,079
sister in law, Kathy Duva still runs the company, so

1020
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,199
he was involved in that family and worked with tons

1021
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:35,960
of great fighters. Now he's most known probably because of

1022
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,519
the six fights didn't with Tyson. But the interesting thing

1023
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:42,320
is he trained was an assistant trainer or head trainer

1024
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,920
with the vander Holyfield for many years before that. After

1025
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,599
the earbiting fight with Tyson, he got hired by Tyson,

1026
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:50,880
So he went from working holy Fields corner for the

1027
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,920
ear biting fight and now he's working with the guy

1028
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,920
that bit the guy's ear for the next six fights.

1029
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,039
But him and Tommy had a good relationship. But here

1030
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:00,000
are some other guys he worked with as a trainer.

1031
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,360
I mean, all of these guys are Hall of famers.

1032
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:07,000
Pernol Whittaker, Mike McCallum, Vladimir Klitchkow, Vitally Clitchkow, Vinnie Pazienza.

1033
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,400
He also trained. They're not Hall of famers, but he

1034
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,719
trained Freddie Pendleton and Charles Murray when they won world titles.

1035
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,360
He worked with Larry Donald, Hassim Rockman, Uri Foreman, Samuel Peter,

1036
00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:19,599
Monty Barrett, Junior Jones. He was with Junior Jones when

1037
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:21,920
he beat Barrera at Marco and Tony barrat twice. He

1038
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,039
trained the light heavyweight Sean George, who ultimately married Tommy's daughter,

1039
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,119
and as a trainer in his own right who trained

1040
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:30,559
Zang Zule and some mothers. So, I mean, it was

1041
00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:34,400
like the boxing tentacles, you know what I mean? What

1042
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,599
can I say? A tremendous boxing guy, uh served in

1043
00:47:37,639 --> 00:47:39,719
the Air Force, and a really good dude.

1044
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 2: You did a tremendous job with all three of those.

1045
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,039
It's it's sad, but time does march on.

1046
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:48,159
Speaker 3: And that because like I never knew Cowie, but I

1047
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,239
knew Tommy for year. Yeah, and I used to I

1048
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,599
talk to album all the time.

1049
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,679
Speaker 2: You know, rip, rip to all of those. All right,

1050
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,519
let's finish it up with a couple of news items.

1051
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,559
The w UBC did do what we figured would happen,

1052
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:05,960
which is they have stripped Francisco Rodriguez of the interim

1053
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,920
flyweight title after his post fight positive drug test after

1054
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,880
he beat the daylights out of Gallia Phi back last month.

1055
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: All right, not unexpected here?

1056
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: Where I mean, where do we go next with this

1057
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,360
and the British the British Boxing Board have controlled it ruled.

1058
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,199
Speaker 1: This is the WBC taking their action, but go ahead.

1059
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 3: Right, I mean the British Boxing Board. If you look

1060
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,400
at the box wreck notation, he is on a temporary suspension.

1061
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,480
But I think that's why they go through the process

1062
00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:35,199
of doing whatever their adjudication is going to wind up being.

1063
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:39,480
The WBC says that they are changing the result of

1064
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:41,519
the five fight to an ozer contest, which is all

1065
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:43,760
well and good, but it doesn't really mean anything because,

1066
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,239
as I've said many times, the sanctioning body controls the belt,

1067
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:50,960
the sanctioning body controls the rankings, The sanctioning body is

1068
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,679
in control of who can fight for their titles or

1069
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:55,920
be involved in their rankings, et cetera. But it is

1070
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,159
the regulatory agency in the area where the fight took

1071
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:01,320
place to ask control over what the result of the

1072
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,719
fight's going to be and if there's going to be

1073
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,519
an actual suspension where you can't fight. So the WBC

1074
00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:08,400
did that. They said they're going to recommend to the

1075
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,840
British Boxing Board to change it to a no contest.

1076
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,719
They don't have to do that. The British Boxing board

1077
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,039
probably will just do that unto themselves when they get

1078
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:15,360
to it.

1079
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,599
Speaker 2: And they already did that with the Mongia drug suspension, right,

1080
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:22,400
the British Boxing Board Control already ruled that in no contest.

1081
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: Am I not right? Or am I not remembering? Recently?

1082
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 3: I'm not sure about that. I know they haven't done that.

1083
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: Maybe they haven't done it yet, but they've already.

1084
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 3: Done anything as far as if he's going to see

1085
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,320
see suspend or not. But you gotta figure both Mogia

1086
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,039
as well as UH, as well as Rodriguez ros right,

1087
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,159
not sarassing won't get suspended, but Mogia will be.

1088
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:42,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mangia right, But.

1089
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 3: Anyway, as far as UH, but they didn't really give

1090
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,800
any other punishment. They ordered a rematch with you five,

1091
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,280
which I thought was weird. And if the British Boxing

1092
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,079
Board does what it's supposed to do, which is suspend

1093
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:53,840
Rodriguez for an indefinite time or a year or two

1094
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,320
years or whatever it's going to be, it's going to

1095
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,719
render that ruling of a rematch irrelevant. They they if

1096
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,920
you read the ruling that the WBC put out, it

1097
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,199
bothers me because they said that he admitted the taking

1098
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:08,639
and over the counter, uh, some type of like energy supplement.

1099
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,800
But then on the label it listed two banned substances

1100
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,760
and he took it anyway. But they say it was

1101
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,400
by accident. He didn't do it on purpose. He wasn't

1102
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:19,800
trying to get a boost. I'm like, can both at

1103
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,960
the same time in that case. So the substance we

1104
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,719
didn't know this originally when the when the announcement was

1105
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,400
made of what he failed for. Uh, the the substance

1106
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:32,440
was not public. They put this out the WBC in

1107
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,760
their in their announcement of what they were doing. He

1108
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,039
failed for something called heptomenol, which is a cardiac stimulant

1109
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:42,119
that also increases coronary blood flow. If you want to

1110
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:44,039
have stamina late in a boxing match, wouldn't you want

1111
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:46,280
to ask a blood flow in your heart? I mean,

1112
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:47,480
that seems pretty logical.

1113
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 2: And the other thing that I would be concerned about

1114
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,639
is if you abuse that take it for a long time, that.

1115
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:54,199
Speaker 1: Could kill you heart attack. You got to be careful.

1116
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:54,840
That true.

1117
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:55,639
Speaker 3: I wouldn't think about that.

1118
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 1: You're right, I mean, it's crazy, all right.

1119
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 2: So that's and by the way, I did look on

1120
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,480
the fly while we're doing this, they did.

1121
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: Set for the.

1122
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: Ruling on on Mangia, but they haven't done anything with

1123
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:08,840
the no contest, so it may take a little while

1124
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,199
for the BBBOC to rule no contest. But he ain't

1125
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:14,760
got the bell. What are the chances that it's going

1126
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,880
to be a rematch. What are the chances that they

1127
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:17,639
will have a remach?

1128
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 3: Well, w the BC ordered the rematch, and I guess

1129
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,760
it could happen. But if the British Boxing words suspend,

1130
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,159
spends them or suspend them for two years, like I

1131
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:28,800
guess they could do a rematch, but I mean are

1132
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,360
they going to be around in two years? I mean

1133
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,840
who that knows. So to me, the the WBC order

1134
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,960
was sort of a paper tiger because I don't think

1135
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,360
it's going to come to pass because he should be suspended,

1136
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:43,480
but I feel like the WBC went a bit light

1137
00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:46,360
on him. I mean, you know, they they they they

1138
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,519
don't really And the thing that bothers me about the

1139
00:51:48,599 --> 00:51:51,119
WBC and when they deal with their drug testing. And

1140
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,519
I'll praise them because they're the one organization that, even

1141
00:51:53,519 --> 00:51:56,199
though it's underfunded and not used enough, they do have

1142
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,119
the Clean Boxing program which does at least do some

1143
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,599
testing even if it's not enough. But they're the only

1144
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:03,920
ones that do it. The problem is, if you actually

1145
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,760
read the rules, they don't use the concept of strict

1146
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,559
liability in those rules. The concept of strict liability is

1147
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,719
regardless of how it got in your system, the mere

1148
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,440
fact that it's in your system and you're in trouble.

1149
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,960
But they are able to go because it says in

1150
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,239
their rules that they don't adhere to the strict liability notion,

1151
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:26,880
that they can determine if it's accidental. And if they

1152
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,760
say it's accidentally, you get a slap on their so

1153
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,079
and nothing happens. And okay, he did get stripped to

1154
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:32,719
the belt, but other than that, it feels like it

1155
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,880
was a slap on the wrist in my mind. So

1156
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,840
I'm waiting what's really The belt was significant in one sense,

1157
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,920
but what really is going to matter is what the

1158
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,559
British Boxing Board of Control does.

1159
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 2: And like you said, you may mention of it a

1160
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,000
couple of times during this part of the conversation. He

1161
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:53,519
might get two years from them and Connor bind a reference. Essentially,

1162
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:55,559
they froze him out whatever you want to call it,

1163
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:57,559
for two years of being able to fight in Europe.

1164
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:59,159
He got around it fighting in the US.

1165
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,159
Speaker 3: But stay, that was a technicality, correct, But that was

1166
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,519
really by the way, Just not to digress, but the

1167
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:08,199
reason why Ben was able to fight in America was

1168
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,639
on the technicality because there was the British Boxing Board

1169
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:14,079
of Control's fault because when the Association of Boxing Commissions

1170
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:16,719
went to the British Boxing or to get an update

1171
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,079
on the case to determine whether or not they were

1172
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:21,480
going to give him the license, the British Boxing Board

1173
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,000
of Control never bothered to get back to the ABC

1174
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:26,840
and their perspectives. We've asked multiple times. We're not just

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gonna sit here and wait and let them ignore us.

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So as far as we're concerned, he's good to go.

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He can get a license if he applies.

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Speaker 2: He's not in the US, but still he was prosen

1179
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,760
out for a year in and around that time anyway,

1180
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and this.

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Speaker 1: May be two years. All right.

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Speaker 2: One more news item before we depart, and that is

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Liam Parrow, who once held the IBF one hundred and

1184
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,159
forty pound title, has now announced that he will move up.

1185
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He will not fight an eliminator that he was scheduled

1186
00:53:51,679 --> 00:53:53,440
to have. Give us the details on why he's moving

1187
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:54,119
up to welterway.

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Speaker 3: Well, the IBF had ordered the eliminator between him and

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00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,639
the Mexican on the field he did Olympian Lindelfhel Delgado,

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00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,079
which would have been a pretty good fight. And you know,

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00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,559
they had ordered that fight and he decided and that

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00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:09,239
would have been for the winner of that fight if

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00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,920
if it had happened, would have become the mandatory challenger

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00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,400
for the IBM champion, which is Richards and Hitchins. And

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00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,079
of course, if we go back to December of last year,

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that is when Paro lost a split decision and the

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bell to Richardson Hitchins, so would have been a rematch

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had he defeated Delgado, but he decided. He announced this.

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His promoter now is No Limit Boxing. They're one of

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the big outfits in Australia promote Tim Zoo and Tim's

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00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,679
brother and some others. They did a boxing show on

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00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,159
Wednesday in Australia and on the broadcast he was sitting

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00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:40,440
in as one of the commentators and announced that he

1204
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:43,599
was going to move up to the welterweight division and

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not not obviously go through with this eliminator because he

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00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,719
you know, he had come back from the Hitchens fight.

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He had won his most recent fight that took place

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just a few weeks ago, back in June. And then

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after that fight he didn announce that he had signed

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with no limit. He had been remembered. He had been

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00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:04,800
with mattrom for a little while, and so they're trying

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to figure out what he's gonna do. He wants to

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go to one hundred and forty seven pounds, and he

1214
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,719
started calling out you know, any champion. He's called out

1215
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Manny Pac Yell, and then he called out Keith Thurman.

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Call that Keith Thurman said he would fight Keith Thurman

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00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,199
one hundred fifty pounds. Now Thurman, of course is looking

1218
00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:21,760
for a dance partner. He got some notoriety in Australia

1219
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,639
when he went there and knocked out Brock Jarvis, which

1220
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was supposed to help facilitate a fight between Keith and

1221
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Tim Zoo. And then suddenly tim Zoo was taking the

1222
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:33,960
rematch with Fondora, and so Thurman didn't get the fight.

1223
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,159
So he's got the name recognition in Australia. And I mean,

1224
00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:40,719
to me, Keith doesn't have like And I saw Keith

1225
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,440
and hung out with him a little bit when I

1226
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,719
was in Vegas at the pac Yao fight and Keith's

1227
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,599
sort of been lamenting, like you know, he's got he's

1228
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:49,199
trying to get a fight, and so far nothing has

1229
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,480
really happened at this point. So while perhaps Fondora might

1230
00:55:52,519 --> 00:55:55,199
give him a shot after having defeated Tim Zoo, which

1231
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,000
wouldn't be so bad. He did put on a good

1232
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:01,360
performance in the return Astralia for a change, he came

1233
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,639
away not injured. It wasn't like he didn't fight because

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00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:05,840
he got hurt again. So he's looking for a fight

1235
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and he probably can make good money in Australia against

1236
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par and being honest, I mean nothing against Part was

1237
00:56:11,199 --> 00:56:14,280
a lot younger and fresher. But I feel like at

1238
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,679
one hundred and fifty four pounds, or even if they

1239
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:18,440
did it at one fifty, if Keith could make that weight,

1240
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,440
I would still think that Keith would be a favorite

1241
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,239
in that matchup. So we'll see if they can actually

1242
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,119
make that happen. But well, he was very nice and

1243
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:27,280
talking about pak Yea, what a legend he is and

1244
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,440
how great he is, and you know, maybe Manny wants

1245
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,199
to come back to Australia. Remember he got pretty much

1246
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,239
robbed there in Brisbane against Jeff Horn in twenty seventeen,

1247
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,519
and in the Paro comments, he's like, you know, I'm

1248
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:39,440
sure he wants to try to get one back here

1249
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,920
in Australia, so you know, I'd be happy to fight him,

1250
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,599
would be exciting, blah blah blah. But when it came

1251
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:45,880
to Thurman, he was ripping him, like, you know, he

1252
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,519
doesn't he doesn't want me. You know. He says that

1253
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:51,880
the team approached Thurman and he doesn't want it. Blah

1254
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,360
blah blah. He says, you know he called him at Chouah,

1255
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,199
I'll bark, no bite whatever, I'll go up ten pounds.

1256
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:02,559
Speaker 2: Better watch my man one time, Thurman from Clearwater, Florida,

1257
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:04,800
because he's a good talker and they may not actually fight,

1258
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,360
but they'll have some great back and forth over social

1259
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,679
media about who's well.

1260
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 3: I guess we'll see what happened with that. But look,

1261
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,159
Paro's going to forty seven. At the very least, he

1262
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,000
injects on former championship name into a weight class that

1263
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:20,320
could use a little injection of talent after the the lead,

1264
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,199
you know, after lots of guys have left their you know,

1265
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,480
the previous year sort of dissipated, Crawford moving up, Spence

1266
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:29,679
pretty much done, others, you know, Sean Porter retiring.

1267
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:30,639
Speaker 1: And is moving up, right.

1268
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you bring a Paro in and he just

1269
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:34,960
adds a little depth to a division. You know. We

1270
00:57:35,119 --> 00:57:37,880
just seem like Han's moved up, and Rosy Ramirez has

1271
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,559
moved up, and ran Garcia has moved up. So there's

1272
00:57:40,639 --> 00:57:44,000
there's there's some new people happening in that division. Boots

1273
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:46,559
Ennis has left, so Paro can come in and then

1274
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:49,079
maybe join that party. It could make for a couple

1275
00:57:49,159 --> 00:57:51,760
of interesting matchups. Frankly, I wouldn't mind seeing him against

1276
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,599
Thurman at one fifty. They get a little spice going

1277
00:57:53,639 --> 00:57:54,519
on already.

1278
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:59,239
Speaker 2: All right, Uh, Spice is the variety of life here.

1279
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,280
Variety is the spy supply or something like that. On

1280
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,320
the metaphor, I think we are good in the preview

1281
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:09,679
mode again. The Duarte Simms headlining fight for Golden Boy

1282
00:58:09,719 --> 00:58:11,760
des Own is Saturday night in Chicago. That is the

1283
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,119
most prominent card it's going to be going on. We'll

1284
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:17,159
come back and do a recap pod. Should we let

1285
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:20,000
them in on what else we have coming off the weekend?

1286
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,199
Speaker 1: Shall we do that?

1287
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,039
Speaker 2: How about Terrence Crawford, Bud Crawford, Dan Rayfield One on

1288
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:30,800
one with Bud Crawford coming exclusively first on the Pod

1289
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,159
Sunday night into Monday. It's why you got to be

1290
00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:36,719
following and subscribing. You'll hear from Terrence Crawford about the

1291
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:40,239
upcoming matchup with Canelo Lalvarez. I'm not moving up on

1292
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,679
all that weight, the fight being an Allegiant Stadium, the

1293
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home of the Las Vegas Raiders, and more.

1294
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:47,199
Speaker 1: This was when we rejoined.

1295
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:49,079
Speaker 2: I know you were looking forward to talking to him,

1296
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:50,800
and you said to me, you don't say this all

1297
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,760
the time. He was great. I'm not saying just Crawford.

1298
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,599
I'm saying some of these interviews. You're like, I was

1299
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:57,280
okay on this one. You said, hey, he was great.

1300
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:58,079
We look forward to it.

1301
00:58:58,199 --> 00:59:00,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look at Crawford is not as he's

1302
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:02,280
been the greatest interview, but I feel like, you know,

1303
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,079
he's done a lot of them now, so once he's

1304
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:06,920
gotten more used to it. I've always had a perfectly

1305
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,119
good rapport with Crawford when I've talked to him, and

1306
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,519
I feel like he was attentive and he was taking

1307
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:13,480
it seriously. He was in a good mood, and he

1308
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:16,519
was on time, and you know, there was a spring

1309
00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:17,960
and a step, if you will, and I thought he

1310
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:20,199
was thoughtful with his answers. We had a nice discussion.

1311
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,559
I was really happy with the way it came out.

1312
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And frankly, when I when I listened to what he

1313
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,280
had to say, it made me. I mean, not that

1314
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,000
I wasn't already interested in seeing the Canelo fight, you know,

1315
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:32,800
even without having spoken to Terrence Crawford, but it made

1316
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,960
me even more sort of interested in the match and

1317
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:37,519
the types of things he's planning ondoing and how he

1318
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:39,400
plans to attack him, and it was it was good

1319
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,960
to talk to me. Headn't had a one on one

1320
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,159
with Button a little bit, So I hope people tune

1321
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:43,880
in and listen to it.

1322
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: We look forward to hearing from him here coming off

1323
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,119
the weekend and again engage with us.

1324
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:49,679
Speaker 1: Not only this.

1325
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: Podcast feed, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify, go find our YouTube page.

1326
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,159
I will share with you that we have a preliminary

1327
00:59:56,639 --> 01:00:00,159
heads up, Yes, sir, we will do it with a

1328
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:03,480
conversation with Todd Grisham of his own. He's on the

1329
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:07,760
call with Sergio Moura and Chris Mannix. This weekend in Chicago. Grisham,

1330
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:13,119
of course called the Alexander Ussik Tyson Fury Heavyweight Showdowns,

1331
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:14,840
and it's called a lot of big prominent fights called

1332
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,880
the Jake Paul Chavez card, not just that fight, etc.

1333
01:00:18,159 --> 01:00:19,880
You have a long relationship with him. We look forward

1334
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,360
to talking with Todd Grisham live on the YouTube page

1335
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,679
when we can make that happen, hopefully like midweek next week.

1336
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,800
Stand by while we promote things. Get to the YouTube page, subscribe,

1337
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,559
get the notification there, and stay engaged with us because

1338
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:36,320
we're gonna have plenty more on the YouTube page and

1339
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,119
the preview mode, the recap mode, etc.

1340
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: But we look forward to that as well. For now, though,

1341
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:42,800
I think we are good. Are we not? Are we good?

1342
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:43,760
With everything for the weekend?

1343
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:44,719
Speaker 3: I think we're good?

1344
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: All right?

1345
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 2: Fair enough again? Follow Subscribe, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify. You've been

1346
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,320
with us here for Dan Rayfield.

1347
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Speaker 1: I'm TJ. Reeves on the Big Fight Weekend Preview