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<v Speaker 1>Eight o five, a fifty five carsd talk station. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>happy to welcome to the fifty five Carsey Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>The speaker that night again Tuesday, seven pm, empower Youamerica

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<v Speaker 1>dot org. Steve gorm a well respected speaker and expert

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<v Speaker 1>in a bunch of different important areas energy industry, agriculture, environment,

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<v Speaker 1>sustainable development, economic trends, climate change, corporate environmental policy. He's

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<v Speaker 1>written a heapload of books on it, most recently I

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<v Speaker 1>can't go the whole list. I want to talk to him,

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<v Speaker 1>but a green breakdown the coming renewable energy failure gotten

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<v Speaker 1>five star reviews on Amazon. Welcome to the fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>Carsy Morning Show, Steve Gorman. It is a real pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>to have you on today.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Brian, great to join you again.

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<v Speaker 1>We were having a conversation earlier with the man called

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<v Speaker 1>Abe Williams. He's with the Taxpayer Protection Alliance, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was joking around. I have always screamed out loud in

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<v Speaker 1>the face of all of the people who say no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Ins far as nuclear power is concerned, I do not

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<v Speaker 1>believe carbon dioxide is a problem. It's plant food. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I'm exhaling my planet into oblivion, although there

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<v Speaker 1>are people on the other side to say it's a

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<v Speaker 1>real problem. Nuclear power seems to me the answer small

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<v Speaker 1>modular power plants, brand new, modern technology, not your three

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<v Speaker 1>mile islands with your giant cooling tower. They have a

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<v Speaker 1>very small footprint, They are amazingly efficient to producing energy

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<v Speaker 1>and don't produce any of the bad exhalation things that

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<v Speaker 1>we're also worried about allegedly, how come we can't have those?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you answer that question of front, Steve.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Brian, we all have hopes for these new innovations

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<v Speaker 2>in nuclear power. The problem with nuclear power, really, the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest thing is it's been just too expensive the large

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<v Speaker 2>plants over the last few years. They just put a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of plants in in Georgia that are working now,

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<v Speaker 2>but they up costing over thirty billion dollars and took

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<v Speaker 2>a decade to do.

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<v Speaker 1>You know why that is, though, don't you, Steve Well?

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of it's regulation. I talked to Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>talked to the guy at the plastic pipe Institute. He

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<v Speaker 2>said that when he produces pipe for a customer, it

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<v Speaker 2>usually takes a couple of pages of of background. If

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<v Speaker 2>he does something for a nuclear plant, it takes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like about a half inch full of paperwork. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just the regulations are really an issue. So we

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<v Speaker 2>do need the relief from regulations, but we need some

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<v Speaker 2>we need some technological breakthroughs as well. We're hoping these

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<v Speaker 2>new smaller power plants will do that, and it is needed.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have a lot of guys want to go

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear now, a lot of the big guys to support

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<v Speaker 2>the demand for artificial intelligence. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and that's and that's the other component that is

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<v Speaker 1>so damn insulting to me, Steve, is that you know, Alphabet,

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<v Speaker 1>Google and all these massive artificial intelligence global multi billion

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<v Speaker 1>corps they start talking about it. Most recently, Hey, we

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<v Speaker 1>can build a small nuclear plant and we can get

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<v Speaker 1>all the power we need for our artificial intelligence needs.

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<v Speaker 1>No one seemed to be screaming out loud and objecting

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Yet if some city wanted to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>then oh my god, oh it's going to take ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be billions of dollars. Every single plan

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<v Speaker 1>under modern regulations has to be individually designed and created,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about massive increase. That's why it cost so much.

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<v Speaker 1>In Georgia. These modular plants are like legos, one size

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<v Speaker 1>fits all. They're small. You build one exactly the same

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<v Speaker 1>as the other. And we certainly can manage the waste.

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<v Speaker 1>The nuclear waste that's produced by all these plants is

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<v Speaker 1>just not I mean, it's totally manageable with a place

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<v Speaker 1>like Yacka Mountain.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think. So we really need to depository for waste.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not a lot of it in each plant. All

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<v Speaker 2>the plants today are storing it on site because it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't require a lot of room. But we need a

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<v Speaker 2>better solution. So yeah, we're hoping these small nuclear plants.

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<v Speaker 2>Are something like fifty companies in the United States now

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to produce small nuclear plants. So we're hoping

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<v Speaker 2>these will have some breakthroughs. And as you say, the

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<v Speaker 2>big guys Meta, Google, Amazon, to support these artificial intelligence processors,

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<v Speaker 2>they need reliable twenty four hour power and wind and

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<v Speaker 2>solar can't do that. So they're looking at nuclear to

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<v Speaker 1>That, okay, and recognize okay, and I'm obviously I think

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<v Speaker 1>it comes across pretty pretty clearly that I am not

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<v Speaker 1>a believer that we are personally responsible for all the

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<v Speaker 1>changes and the temperatures in the world. I do agree

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<v Speaker 1>that climate does change, because in the state of Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>once you had a glacier covering the whole state. Thankfully

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<v Speaker 1>it warmed up. There have been times like the Mini

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<v Speaker 1>Ice Age and different ebbs and flows in the global

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<v Speaker 1>temperatures that went on for hundreds of years, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we gradually shifted back. We all know that how come

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<v Speaker 1>that happened Before the Industrial Revolution we weren't responsible, But

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<v Speaker 1>now we're responsible literally for every hurricane that comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're actually in the midst of the biggest modern

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<v Speaker 2>superstition in history. I call it climatism, the fear that

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<v Speaker 2>humans are causing dangerous global warming. Actually, our new President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has used that term on the campaign tree of

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<v Speaker 2>climatism in the past. But you're right, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about that in the Empower You podcast. But

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<v Speaker 2>two bottom lines. A, Today's temperatures are not particularly warm.

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<v Speaker 2>We've had many times in the last ten thousand years

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<v Speaker 2>when it was warmer today, when we didn't have cars

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<v Speaker 2>and power plants and b Human industry is responsible for

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<v Speaker 2>only a very small part of the greenhouse effect and

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<v Speaker 2>a very small part of global temperatures, maybe one or

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<v Speaker 2>two percent, which means if we eliminate all emissions, all

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<v Speaker 2>carbon dioxide emissions, we probably won't be able to measure

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<v Speaker 2>the difference in global temperatures. Nevertheless, the world is spent

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<v Speaker 2>one point eight trillion dollars last year on renewables trying

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<v Speaker 2>to control the global temperatures. People say, if we all

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<v Speaker 2>drive electric vehicles, we can stop the oceans from rising.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really the closest thing to modern superstition that you

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<v Speaker 2>can consider.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and before we might dive into some of the

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<v Speaker 1>subtler details about that component, let me ask you this question.

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<v Speaker 1>Recognizing what you just said, and I agree with you wholeheartedly.

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<v Speaker 1>We get a couple of volcanos or up during some

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<v Speaker 1>massive wildfires, it negates any effort by us to get

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<v Speaker 1>particulate out of the air. The question is, then, why

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<v Speaker 1>are they shoving this down our throat. There clearly was

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<v Speaker 1>no demand for it within the market. They can't make

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<v Speaker 1>us buy electric vehicles, even though they're shoving them down

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<v Speaker 1>our throats. It's only market manipulation that has brought this around,

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<v Speaker 1>regulatory mandates and edicts. So behind the scenes, though, do

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<v Speaker 1>you know why they are insisting that we do this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I think the first of the world jumped to

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<v Speaker 2>a conclusion on this. A bunch of computer modelers back

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighty saw that climate

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<v Speaker 2>carbon dioxide was rising in the atmosphere, and doctor James Hansen,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, testified before the Senate in nineteen eighty eight

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<v Speaker 2>he said he was ninety eight percent sure the planet

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<v Speaker 2>was warming and humans were causing it. And the United

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<v Speaker 2>Nations that very next year formed the Intergovernmental Panel on

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<v Speaker 2>Climate Change, which concluded humans were causing dangerous warming. And

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<v Speaker 2>then by nineteen ninety two, only four years later, forty

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<v Speaker 2>five nations in the European Union signed a treaty saying

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<v Speaker 2>we would reduce greenhouse gases. They've been arguing about it

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<v Speaker 2>for the last fifty years. But the temperature rise, we've

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<v Speaker 2>had a little bit of a rise, but it's far

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<v Speaker 2>below what the climate models are predicting. And we've had

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<v Speaker 2>a whole bunch of groups that have seized on this.

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<v Speaker 2>We have whole new industries. We have biofuels and wind

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<v Speaker 2>and solar, we have deans of sustainability at universities and

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<v Speaker 2>vice presence of sustainability at corporations. It's become the center

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<v Speaker 2>of every environmental group in the world, the central issue.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we have tremendous momentum behind this. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you're really look at the data, the storms aren't getting stronger.

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<v Speaker 2>The ocean has been rising for twenty thousand years, and

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<v Speaker 2>it just doesn't The science doesn't support the concern.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and they have adjusted their projections. They have moved

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<v Speaker 1>back the deadline by which we're all gonna die. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>al Gore is screaming about in ten years that New

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<v Speaker 1>York City is going to be underwater. We know that

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<v Speaker 1>was more than twenty years ago. So none of it

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<v Speaker 1>has come true, and yet we continue to chase down

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<v Speaker 1>this ridiculous path. So again, why, if we know so

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<v Speaker 1>much more, are they continuing to shove this down our

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<v Speaker 1>throats in the face of all the evidence to the

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<v Speaker 1>contrary of what they're preaching. This has got to be

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<v Speaker 1>about something more than saving the planet. And when you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the UN embracing something that immediately raises a

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<v Speaker 1>John Decid of skepticism in my mind, because the UN

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<v Speaker 1>is seemingly the most incompetent organization that exists on the

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<v Speaker 1>planet in terms of what they're able to accomplish.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Certainly, many, many groups use the fear of man

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<v Speaker 2>made warming for all sorts of objectives. Nations is one example.

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<v Speaker 2>The United Nations has had three big objectives for many

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<v Speaker 2>years and the fear man made warming has served those.

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<v Speaker 2>One is they want to become an environmental leader globally.

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<v Speaker 2>The second is they want to redistribute wealth from the

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<v Speaker 2>wealthy nations to the poor nations, and the fear man

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<v Speaker 2>made warming does that. And the third is they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>a global a world government for many years and Jacques Schirock,

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<v Speaker 2>President of France, said that the Climate Treaty Group was

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<v Speaker 2>the first example of world government. So we have we

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<v Speaker 2>have many groups that want to do that. Another one

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<v Speaker 2>is computer modeling. As I talk about in my second book,

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<v Speaker 2>The Mad Mad World of Climatism, a scientist told us

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<v Speaker 2>that to set up a computer modeling team to run

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<v Speaker 2>climate models on a supercomputer costs fifty million dollars and

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<v Speaker 2>it costs twenty million dollars a year to run. There

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<v Speaker 2>are thirty of these teams across the world that are

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<v Speaker 2>running me, so there's a vast amount of money involved.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, if one of those teams says,

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<v Speaker 2>well we think climate is driven by natural not man

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<v Speaker 2>made factors, well then their funding isn't going to come through.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a tremendous amount of value that various groups

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<v Speaker 2>get from this. And you know, we have tens of

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of consultants across the world that are vising companies

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<v Speaker 2>how to reduce their greenhouse gases. But again, I think

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<v Speaker 2>most people are sincere. It's just that they're mistake and

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<v Speaker 2>the science and the economics don't support what we're trying

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, well suffer the little children come unto me.

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<v Speaker 1>They start teaching this man is responsible nonsense to children

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<v Speaker 1>in elementary school, and it begins from there and people

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<v Speaker 1>can't turn their back on it. It's like turning your

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<v Speaker 1>back on your lifelong religion. You know, there must be

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<v Speaker 1>a Christian out there in the audience. Ask them to

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<v Speaker 1>renounce Christ and they be like, oh my god, are

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<v Speaker 1>you crazy? That would never happen. That's kind of this

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<v Speaker 1>what this has become. It's just this, it's a new religion.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and it's out the schools. As you mentioned, University

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<v Speaker 2>of California, San Diego has just made a climate course

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<v Speaker 2>a requirement to graduate. We have instances in Washington State

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<v Speaker 2>and in Utah where teachers are feeding kids insects in

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<v Speaker 2>because of the climate. So you know, this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is not a good thing. But it is all going

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<v Speaker 2>to come down. That's what green breakdown is about. It's

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<v Speaker 2>going to take a decade or two, but the world's

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<v Speaker 2>going to get back to sensible policy again.

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<v Speaker 1>So you are optimistic along those lines.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I am, and I hope I am. I'm around

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<v Speaker 2>long enough to see this turnaround. But we see a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of signs that this is changing already. We have

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<v Speaker 2>this big speed bump that electric cars have hit. Electric

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<v Speaker 2>last year. We have all sorts of problems with offshore wind,

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<v Speaker 2>and we now have mister Trump elected and he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to change a whole bunch of things, maybe even restarting

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<v Speaker 2>the Keystone pipeline. He said he's going to get rid

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<v Speaker 2>of a government mandates, to get rid of gesine cars.

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<v Speaker 2>That's going to be difficult though. He's got to get

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<v Speaker 2>the EPA to change their policies. We'll see if he

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<v Speaker 2>can do that. But we see this around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, Europe is pulled back as well from

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of agriculture and climate measures, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of conservatives were elected this last year in Europe and

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<v Speaker 2>to shift, but we'll just have to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Gorham is going to be doing this empower you

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<v Speaker 1>somear on this topic next Tuesday, beginning at seven pm.

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<v Speaker 1>do that. And the other elephant in that room going

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<v Speaker 1>back to the UN and it wanting to be the

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<v Speaker 1>global dominance and establish this one world government and wealth

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<v Speaker 1>free distribution. I get all that and agree with that

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<v Speaker 1>being the probably core motive. What of China and India

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<v Speaker 1>and other countries who continue to build coal plants dirtier

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<v Speaker 1>than ours, belching out more pollution than we retract from

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<v Speaker 1>the planet with all of our unbelievably costly efforts. They

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<v Speaker 1>be pointing to them and saying, well, wait, wait, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>what about what about India? They're not doing anything and

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<v Speaker 1>they're polluting more than anybody on the globe.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it really we have many many nations developing right

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<v Speaker 2>now and they use hydrocarbon fuels. Earlier this year, John

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<v Speaker 2>Carey called for the end to all coal fire power

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<v Speaker 2>plants across the world, said none should be allowed. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's an amazing statement. Today coal provides thirty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of the world's electricity, Yet we still have seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>another two billion people who have blackouts and brownouts every

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<v Speaker 2>other day because they don't have enough power. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you're running an air conditioner in Cincinnati, you use more

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<v Speaker 2>electricity than the third of the people in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>That one appliance uses more electricity than a third of

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<v Speaker 2>And mister Carey saying that let's get rid of coal

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<v Speaker 2>fired power plants is like Marie Antoinette saying if the

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<v Speaker 2>poor don't have food, let them take. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's really crazy. So there's going to be a need.

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<v Speaker 2>And what you do in Ohio as far as the

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<v Speaker 2>greenhouse gases, it's going to have no effect. The rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the world is going to go and do what

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to do. But the great news again is

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<v Speaker 2>that CO two, as you say, is.

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<v Speaker 1>Make plans to grow.

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<v Speaker 2>It isn't buzzing dangerous warming. So that's that's a real

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<v Speaker 2>powerful and possible positive note of it all.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even scratch the surface for everything I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to talk with you about today, Steve, and sadly we're

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<v Speaker 1>out of time. We're going to get more time with

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<v Speaker 1>you though. Empower you America dot or log in virtually

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<v Speaker 1>or just click the little register. You'll be there at

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<v Speaker 1>seven pm Tuesday. Steve, thanks for the time he spent

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<v Speaker 1>with me today. And I also encourage my listeners to

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<v Speaker 1>get a copy of your book, Green Breakdown the Coming

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<v Speaker 1>Renewable Energy Failure. Just go to Amazon and order copy

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<v Speaker 1>of that. Steve, thanks again for everything that you do.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>My pleasure