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Speaker 1: dot org. Steve gorm a well respected speaker and expert
Speaker 1: in a bunch of different important areas energy industry, agriculture, environment,
Speaker 1: sustainable development, economic trends, climate change, corporate environmental policy. He's
Speaker 1: written a heapload of books on it, most recently I
Speaker 1: can't go the whole list. I want to talk to him,
Speaker 1: but a green breakdown the coming renewable energy failure gotten
Speaker 1: five star reviews on Amazon. Welcome to the fifty five
Speaker 1: Carsy Morning Show, Steve Gorman. It is a real pleasure
Speaker 1: to have you on today.
Speaker 2: Hey Brian, great to join you again.
Speaker 1: We were having a conversation earlier with the man called
Speaker 1: Abe Williams. He's with the Taxpayer Protection Alliance, and I
Speaker 1: was joking around. I have always screamed out loud in
Speaker 1: the face of all of the people who say no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Ins far as nuclear power is concerned, I do not
Speaker 1: believe carbon dioxide is a problem. It's plant food. I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm exhaling my planet into oblivion, although there
Speaker 1: are people on the other side to say it's a
Speaker 1: real problem. Nuclear power seems to me the answer small
Speaker 1: modular power plants, brand new, modern technology, not your three
Speaker 1: mile islands with your giant cooling tower. They have a
Speaker 1: very small footprint, They are amazingly efficient to producing energy
Speaker 1: and don't produce any of the bad exhalation things that
Speaker 1: we're also worried about allegedly, how come we can't have those?
Speaker 1: Can you answer that question of front, Steve.
Speaker 2: Well, Brian, we all have hopes for these new innovations
Speaker 2: in nuclear power. The problem with nuclear power, really, the
Speaker 2: biggest thing is it's been just too expensive the large
Speaker 2: plants over the last few years. They just put a
Speaker 2: couple of plants in in Georgia that are working now,
Speaker 2: but they up costing over thirty billion dollars and took
Speaker 2: a decade to do.
Speaker 1: You know why that is, though, don't you, Steve Well?
Speaker 2: A lot of it's regulation. I talked to Yeah, I
Speaker 2: talked to the guy at the plastic pipe Institute. He
Speaker 2: said that when he produces pipe for a customer, it
Speaker 2: usually takes a couple of pages of of background. If
Speaker 2: he does something for a nuclear plant, it takes, you know,
Speaker 2: like about a half inch full of paperwork. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just the regulations are really an issue. So we
Speaker 2: do need the relief from regulations, but we need some
Speaker 2: we need some technological breakthroughs as well. We're hoping these
Speaker 2: new smaller power plants will do that, and it is needed.
Speaker 2: And we have a lot of guys want to go
Speaker 2: nuclear now, a lot of the big guys to support
Speaker 2: the demand for artificial intelligence. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's and that's the other component that is
Speaker 1: so damn insulting to me, Steve, is that you know, Alphabet,
Speaker 1: Google and all these massive artificial intelligence global multi billion
Speaker 1: corps they start talking about it. Most recently, Hey, we
Speaker 1: can build a small nuclear plant and we can get
Speaker 1: all the power we need for our artificial intelligence needs.
Speaker 1: No one seemed to be screaming out loud and objecting
Speaker 1: to it. Yet if some city wanted to do it,
Speaker 1: then oh my god, oh it's going to take ten years.
Speaker 1: It's going to be billions of dollars. Every single plan
Speaker 1: under modern regulations has to be individually designed and created,
Speaker 1: talking about massive increase. That's why it cost so much.
Speaker 1: In Georgia. These modular plants are like legos, one size
Speaker 1: fits all. They're small. You build one exactly the same
Speaker 1: as the other. And we certainly can manage the waste.
Speaker 1: The nuclear waste that's produced by all these plants is
Speaker 1: just not I mean, it's totally manageable with a place
Speaker 1: like Yacka Mountain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. So we really need to depository for waste.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of it in each plant. All
Speaker 2: the plants today are storing it on site because it
Speaker 2: doesn't require a lot of room. But we need a
Speaker 2: better solution. So yeah, we're hoping these small nuclear plants.
Speaker 2: Are something like fifty companies in the United States now
Speaker 2: they're trying to produce small nuclear plants. So we're hoping
Speaker 2: these will have some breakthroughs. And as you say, the
Speaker 2: big guys Meta, Google, Amazon, to support these artificial intelligence processors,
Speaker 2: they need reliable twenty four hour power and wind and
Speaker 2: solar can't do that. So they're looking at nuclear to
Speaker 2: try and do.
Speaker 1: That, okay, and recognize okay, and I'm obviously I think
Speaker 1: it comes across pretty pretty clearly that I am not
Speaker 1: a believer that we are personally responsible for all the
Speaker 1: changes and the temperatures in the world. I do agree
Speaker 1: that climate does change, because in the state of Ohio,
Speaker 1: once you had a glacier covering the whole state. Thankfully
Speaker 1: it warmed up. There have been times like the Mini
Speaker 1: Ice Age and different ebbs and flows in the global
Speaker 1: temperatures that went on for hundreds of years, and then
Speaker 1: we gradually shifted back. We all know that how come
Speaker 1: that happened Before the Industrial Revolution we weren't responsible, But
Speaker 1: now we're responsible literally for every hurricane that comes in.
Speaker 2: Well, we're actually in the midst of the biggest modern
Speaker 2: superstition in history. I call it climatism, the fear that
Speaker 2: humans are causing dangerous global warming. Actually, our new President
Speaker 2: Trump has used that term on the campaign tree of
Speaker 2: climatism in the past. But you're right, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to talk about that in the Empower You podcast. But
Speaker 2: two bottom lines. A, Today's temperatures are not particularly warm.
Speaker 2: We've had many times in the last ten thousand years
Speaker 2: when it was warmer today, when we didn't have cars
Speaker 2: and power plants and b Human industry is responsible for
Speaker 2: only a very small part of the greenhouse effect and
Speaker 2: a very small part of global temperatures, maybe one or
Speaker 2: two percent, which means if we eliminate all emissions, all
Speaker 2: carbon dioxide emissions, we probably won't be able to measure
Speaker 2: the difference in global temperatures. Nevertheless, the world is spent
Speaker 2: one point eight trillion dollars last year on renewables trying
Speaker 2: to control the global temperatures. People say, if we all
Speaker 2: drive electric vehicles, we can stop the oceans from rising.
Speaker 2: That's really the closest thing to modern superstition that you
Speaker 2: can consider.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and before we might dive into some of the
Speaker 1: subtler details about that component, let me ask you this question.
Speaker 1: Recognizing what you just said, and I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1: We get a couple of volcanos or up during some
Speaker 1: massive wildfires, it negates any effort by us to get
Speaker 1: particulate out of the air. The question is, then, why
Speaker 1: are they shoving this down our throat. There clearly was
Speaker 1: no demand for it within the market. They can't make
Speaker 1: us buy electric vehicles, even though they're shoving them down
Speaker 1: our throats. It's only market manipulation that has brought this around,
Speaker 1: regulatory mandates and edicts. So behind the scenes, though, do
Speaker 1: you know why they are insisting that we do this?
Speaker 2: Well? I think the first of the world jumped to
Speaker 2: a conclusion on this. A bunch of computer modelers back
Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies and nineteen eighty saw that climate
Speaker 2: carbon dioxide was rising in the atmosphere, and doctor James Hansen,
Speaker 2: for example, testified before the Senate in nineteen eighty eight
Speaker 2: he said he was ninety eight percent sure the planet
Speaker 2: was warming and humans were causing it. And the United
Speaker 2: Nations that very next year formed the Intergovernmental Panel on
Speaker 2: Climate Change, which concluded humans were causing dangerous warming. And
Speaker 2: then by nineteen ninety two, only four years later, forty
Speaker 2: five nations in the European Union signed a treaty saying
Speaker 2: we would reduce greenhouse gases. They've been arguing about it
Speaker 2: for the last fifty years. But the temperature rise, we've
Speaker 2: had a little bit of a rise, but it's far
Speaker 2: below what the climate models are predicting. And we've had
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of groups that have seized on this.
Speaker 2: We have whole new industries. We have biofuels and wind
Speaker 2: and solar, we have deans of sustainability at universities and
Speaker 2: vice presence of sustainability at corporations. It's become the center
Speaker 2: of every environmental group in the world, the central issue.
Speaker 2: And so we have tremendous momentum behind this. But if
Speaker 2: you're really look at the data, the storms aren't getting stronger.
Speaker 2: The ocean has been rising for twenty thousand years, and
Speaker 2: it just doesn't The science doesn't support the concern.
Speaker 1: Right, and they have adjusted their projections. They have moved
Speaker 1: back the deadline by which we're all gonna die. I mean,
Speaker 1: al Gore is screaming about in ten years that New
Speaker 1: York City is going to be underwater. We know that
Speaker 1: was more than twenty years ago. So none of it
Speaker 1: has come true, and yet we continue to chase down
Speaker 1: this ridiculous path. So again, why, if we know so
Speaker 1: much more, are they continuing to shove this down our
Speaker 1: throats in the face of all the evidence to the
Speaker 1: contrary of what they're preaching. This has got to be
Speaker 1: about something more than saving the planet. And when you
Speaker 1: talk about the UN embracing something that immediately raises a
Speaker 1: John Decid of skepticism in my mind, because the UN
Speaker 1: is seemingly the most incompetent organization that exists on the
Speaker 1: planet in terms of what they're able to accomplish.
Speaker 2: Well. Certainly, many, many groups use the fear of man
Speaker 2: made warming for all sorts of objectives. Nations is one example.
Speaker 2: The United Nations has had three big objectives for many
Speaker 2: years and the fear man made warming has served those.
Speaker 2: One is they want to become an environmental leader globally.
Speaker 2: The second is they want to redistribute wealth from the
Speaker 2: wealthy nations to the poor nations, and the fear man
Speaker 2: made warming does that. And the third is they wanted
Speaker 2: a global a world government for many years and Jacques Schirock,
Speaker 2: President of France, said that the Climate Treaty Group was
Speaker 2: the first example of world government. So we have we
Speaker 2: have many groups that want to do that. Another one
Speaker 2: is computer modeling. As I talk about in my second book,
Speaker 2: The Mad Mad World of Climatism, a scientist told us
Speaker 2: that to set up a computer modeling team to run
Speaker 2: climate models on a supercomputer costs fifty million dollars and
Speaker 2: it costs twenty million dollars a year to run. There
Speaker 2: are thirty of these teams across the world that are
Speaker 2: running me, so there's a vast amount of money involved.
Speaker 2: And by the way, if one of those teams says,
Speaker 2: well we think climate is driven by natural not man
Speaker 2: made factors, well then their funding isn't going to come through.
Speaker 2: So there's a tremendous amount of value that various groups
Speaker 2: get from this. And you know, we have tens of
Speaker 2: thousands of consultants across the world that are vising companies
Speaker 2: how to reduce their greenhouse gases. But again, I think
Speaker 2: most people are sincere. It's just that they're mistake and
Speaker 2: the science and the economics don't support what we're trying
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: Right now, well suffer the little children come unto me.
Speaker 1: They start teaching this man is responsible nonsense to children
Speaker 1: in elementary school, and it begins from there and people
Speaker 1: can't turn their back on it. It's like turning your
Speaker 1: back on your lifelong religion. You know, there must be
Speaker 1: a Christian out there in the audience. Ask them to
Speaker 1: renounce Christ and they be like, oh my god, are
Speaker 1: you crazy? That would never happen. That's kind of this
Speaker 1: what this has become. It's just this, it's a new religion.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's out the schools. As you mentioned, University
Speaker 2: of California, San Diego has just made a climate course
Speaker 2: a requirement to graduate. We have instances in Washington State
Speaker 2: and in Utah where teachers are feeding kids insects in
Speaker 2: class with the lesson that they shouldn't be eating beef
Speaker 2: because of the climate. So you know, this is this
Speaker 2: is not a good thing. But it is all going
Speaker 2: to come down. That's what green breakdown is about. It's
Speaker 2: going to take a decade or two, but the world's
Speaker 2: going to get back to sensible policy again.
Speaker 1: So you are optimistic along those lines.
Speaker 2: Well, I am, and I hope I am. I'm around
Speaker 2: long enough to see this turnaround. But we see a
Speaker 2: lot of signs that this is changing already. We have
Speaker 2: this big speed bump that electric cars have hit. Electric
Speaker 2: car shares in the US and Europe have fallen this
Speaker 2: last year. We have all sorts of problems with offshore wind,
Speaker 2: and we now have mister Trump elected and he's going
Speaker 2: to change a whole bunch of things, maybe even restarting
Speaker 2: the Keystone pipeline. He said he's going to get rid
Speaker 2: of a government mandates, to get rid of gesine cars.
Speaker 2: That's going to be difficult though. He's got to get
Speaker 2: the EPA to change their policies. We'll see if he
Speaker 2: can do that. But we see this around the world.
Speaker 2: By the way, Europe is pulled back as well from
Speaker 2: a lot of agriculture and climate measures, and a lot
Speaker 2: of conservatives were elected this last year in Europe and
Speaker 2: they oppose these policies. So I think things are starting
Speaker 2: to shift, but we'll just have to see.
Speaker 1: Steve Gorham is going to be doing this empower you
Speaker 1: somear on this topic next Tuesday, beginning at seven pm.
Speaker 1: It is a virtual class only. He's going to empower
Speaker 1: you America dot organ log in. I encourage you to
Speaker 1: do that. And the other elephant in that room going
Speaker 1: back to the UN and it wanting to be the
Speaker 1: global dominance and establish this one world government and wealth
Speaker 1: free distribution. I get all that and agree with that
Speaker 1: being the probably core motive. What of China and India
Speaker 1: and other countries who continue to build coal plants dirtier
Speaker 1: than ours, belching out more pollution than we retract from
Speaker 1: the planet with all of our unbelievably costly efforts. They
Speaker 1: don't seem to carol wit and no one seems to
Speaker 1: be pointing to them and saying, well, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: what about what about India? They're not doing anything and
Speaker 1: they're polluting more than anybody on the globe.
Speaker 2: Well it really we have many many nations developing right
Speaker 2: now and they use hydrocarbon fuels. Earlier this year, John
Speaker 2: Carey called for the end to all coal fire power
Speaker 2: plants across the world, said none should be allowed. But
Speaker 2: that's an amazing statement. Today coal provides thirty five percent
Speaker 2: of the world's electricity, Yet we still have seven hundred
Speaker 2: million people that don't have access to electricity, and there's
Speaker 2: another two billion people who have blackouts and brownouts every
Speaker 2: other day because they don't have enough power. So if
Speaker 2: you're running an air conditioner in Cincinnati, you use more
Speaker 2: electricity than the third of the people in the world.
Speaker 2: That one appliance uses more electricity than a third of
Speaker 2: the world's people get to use on any given day.
Speaker 2: And mister Carey saying that let's get rid of coal
Speaker 2: fired power plants is like Marie Antoinette saying if the
Speaker 2: poor don't have food, let them take. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: it's really crazy. So there's going to be a need.
Speaker 2: And what you do in Ohio as far as the
Speaker 2: greenhouse gases, it's going to have no effect. The rest
Speaker 2: of the world is going to go and do what
Speaker 2: they're going to do. But the great news again is
Speaker 2: that CO two, as you say, is.
Speaker 1: Make plans to grow.
Speaker 2: It isn't buzzing dangerous warming. So that's that's a real
Speaker 2: powerful and possible positive note of it all.
Speaker 1: I didn't even scratch the surface for everything I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk with you about today, Steve, and sadly we're
Speaker 1: out of time. We're going to get more time with
Speaker 1: you though. Empower you America dot or log in virtually
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Speaker 1: seven pm Tuesday. Steve, thanks for the time he spent
Speaker 1: with me today. And I also encourage my listeners to
Speaker 1: get a copy of your book, Green Breakdown the Coming
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Speaker 1: of that. Steve, thanks again for everything that you do.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Brian.
Speaker 1: My pleasure