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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor and chief for The Federalist

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and David Harsani, senior writer at the Washington Examiner. Just

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as a reminder, if you'd like to email the show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com.

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We love to hear from you. This week, Molly, I

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think we'll start with Tulca Gabbard's declassification of documents related

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to the Russia collusion claims from the twenty sixteen election,

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specifically a January twenty seventeenth intelligence community assessment and the

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debate over it, which we didn't hear about originally, or

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initially where there is a senior intelligence official or it

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might be officials, you let us know who kind of disagreed,

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not kind of like pretty vehemently, I think, disagreed with

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the assessment or it said that there was no evidence

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to say that Russians had even changed certainly tallies, but

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had enough power to change the results of the elections.

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So I have that right.

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, I think it's actually helpful because the story

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is so old to kind of go back and just

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remember what it is that we know and what we

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don't know. We have interns working at the Federalist who

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were in their very young like they weren't even teenagers

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yet when this whole thing happened.

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Speaker 1: And so it's crazy. I know.

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Speaker 2: It's so weird, by the way, when you're I teach

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college students and I remember the first year, which was

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a long time ago now that people didn't remember nine

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to eleven. And now I'm like, they don't even remember

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the Russia hoax, Like this is crazy. How time marches on. Anyway,

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So yeah, we all know about about how there were

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these claims that Trump had colluded with Russia to steal

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the twenty sixteen election. It wasn't a big story. It

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was the biggest story that the country had ever gone through.

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It led the news every night for eighteen months. It

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was at the front page of every paper every day,

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and every show.

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Speaker 3: Was obsessed about it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was this thing that delegitimized, as was

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the intent the entire first presidency of Trump.

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Speaker 3: It led to the opening of a special.

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Speaker 2: Council which further constrained him, put allies of Trump in prison.

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Speaker 3: It was just it was horrific.

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Speaker 2: And a lot of Americans kind of knew from the

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beginning that it was also horsepucky, but it has been

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a long, hard fought battle to really understand what went

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on there. And not only did Tulci Gabbard release information,

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so did CIA director John Ratcliffe, and so there are

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two different buckets of information here. But what we learned

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that I think is just absolutely fascinating from this document

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dump is how involved Obama was in the creation of

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the Russia collusion hoax. Now you could say, oh, of

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course he was, but we didn't really understand exactly how

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it worked. And what these documents have shown that have

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gotten people who know a lot about the Russia collusion

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hoaks so interested is that after the twenty sixteen election,

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there were you know, you're doing presidential daily briefings, right,

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and these briefings are delivered not just to President Obama,

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the current president at the time, but they also start

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being delivered to the incoming president, Donald Trump and his

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national security advisor who was coming in, Mike Flynn, and

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they have one based on a bunch of different intelligence that,

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you know, just to kind of sum up, Yeah, Russia

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was trying to meddle, but as with previous efforts, it

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was no big deal and it didn't really affect the election.

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So that is going to be briefed to both the

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President and President elect I in early December, and all

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of a sudden, the FBI says, we're not going to

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support this, and they pull the intelligence. They pull the

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intelligence from the tampered or not tamper, but like they

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take it away so that it can't be given to

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the Trump administration. And then in the place of that,

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Barack Obama says, how about we do an intelligence assessment

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that gets into everything you know about Russia.

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Speaker 3: Uh uh wink wink, nudge, nudge.

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Speaker 2: And they decide to rush out in a matter of

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just a few short weeks an intelligence assessment that says

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that Russia basically that Russia was including with Trump to

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steal the election.

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Speaker 1: And I asked you a quick question on timeline. Was

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this by this point, was the Steele dossier in the

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hands of the FBI and stuff like, what did that

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have anything to do with this? How what's the timeline here?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Steele dossier is getting injected into the government

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months prior, right, So, the FBI had been working with Steel.

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They'd actually already fired him for being a liar and

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for talking to the media, like already that had happened

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right before I think this meeting to set up the assessment,

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and so, yeah, they'd been playing around with it for

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months and then you know, people, the operation to paint

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Trump as a Russian stooge had many elements, and the Steele.

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Speaker 3: Dossier was one of them. But yeah, it had been

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going on, but nobody.

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Speaker 2: Else knew it but the FBI at that time, and

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it wasn't even an official FBI product or it didn't

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have like a number or anything. But once Barack Obama

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asks for people to put together this intelligence assessment, the

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FBI then shares it with the CIA and says, we

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want this to be we want a summary of this

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to be in there, including the claims that that Russia

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had sexual compromise. Okay, we now know the Steele dossier

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is like completely made up and manufactured. They actually should

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have known it at that time too, whether you know so, Okay,

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so then yeah, so they say Barack Obama's like, get

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me an intelligence assessment, rush it out. They put it together,

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They throw it together, and there's lots of interesting stuff

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that we're learning about how they threw it together. And

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how they threw it together over the objections of career

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officers in the intelligence community and experts in Russia. So

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that's what the documents are really about. But then they

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brief it to President Obama and President elect Trump, and

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within hours it's leaked to CNN and it gets the

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whole Russia collusion hoax going. So, yeah, you know, people

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like a few hundred people had the dossier, including John

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McCain and people like that. But this was the means

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by which they inserted the dossier into the general conversation

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and really launched the intelligence community assessment that included This

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was how they launched the Russia collusion hoax. The other

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thing that's interesting is that when Obama has a meeting

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to start this conspiracy again, within hours leaks are placed

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in the Washington Post and New York Times falsely claiming

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that they have a high degree of confidence that Russia

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interfered in the election to help Trump. So this is

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what kind of lays the groundwork for the collusion narrative.

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You can't have Trump colluding with Russia if Russia doesn't want.

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Speaker 3: To collude with Trump, right, So this is the means that.

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Speaker 2: By which they do it, and the leaks are all lies,

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by the way, like they're all like CIA has determined

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with a high degree of confidence that Russia was trying

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to help Trump, and the media like the Washington Post

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just immediately runs with it uncritically, as does the New

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York Times and I think a few other places.

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Speaker 1: Is it true though? And I'm going to just play

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Devil's advocate a little? Is it true though that any

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kind of assessment like this will always have people actually

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who are playing Devil's advocate who are unsure? Is there

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always an argument? And then the CIA director has to

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or whoever's in charge of the FBI or wherever, has

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to decide we're going to go forward with it. Is

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it typically include or do you know if it's typically

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or this kind of kind of dallas typically included in

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the report? Or how does it work?

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Speaker 2: I just first off want to say that I talked

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to someone.

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Speaker 3: About this.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to a source about like we were

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kind of going down memory lane about this whole assessment.

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separate one I think, put out by DHS and FBI,

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and it was about Russian hacks. It sort of like

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laying the groundwork that Russia had hacked the election, and

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this guy was saying that the poor quality of that report,

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like that just had it was so bad that even

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left wing media were kind of making fun of it.

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I don't know if you remember it at the time.

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It was late December or early January, after the first

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Trump election, But seeing that, he was like, wow, is

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all the intelligence that our agencies do this bad?

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Speaker 3: Because it's just laughably bad.

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Speaker 2: He's just a corporate guy anyway. Normally, if you were

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going to do an analysis of an election, you would

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understand that this was a highly politically charged analysis. You

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would work really hard to make sure it did not

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seem political. As a result, you might spend many months,

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months and months and months and months. You would actually

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survey the intelligence community about everything that they had. You

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would have, you know, a large group of people working

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on it. They would be independently chosen, They would spend

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a lot of time, and then, yes, you would characterize

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the degree of confidence accurately, which would mean mentioning both

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why some people thought it was valid and why other

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people didn't. Okay, none of that happens with this ica,

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none of it.

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Speaker 3: It's rushed.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's literally thrown together in a matter of weeks.

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What we're seeing in these documents is that the actual

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office officers working on it. So, oh, the other thing

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is Brennan and company do this very like small, hand

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selected group of people working on it, and then even

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those people that the hand select are like, what the

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heck are you talking about here?

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Speaker 3: Like this is what are you talk like?

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Speaker 2: There's no you know when I have a story about this,

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about the objections of senior senior officials telling Brennan, we

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have no evidence to support your claim that Russia was

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trying to help Trump and.

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Speaker 1: Did we know that from the Ratcliffe files the other

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week that were released.

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Speaker 2: So the Ratcliffe files the other way, do say that, right,

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they say it. But one of the things that's been

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a problem with all this is government. The Ratclife files

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are actually great. The summary that was done by career

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CIA officers, like he released it, but he had nothing

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to do with the analysis. It's great and it really

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does say, you know, all of this stuff was rushed,

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it was inappropriate the degrees of confidence.

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Speaker 3: But it's kind of dry.

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Speaker 2: What my story about kind of shows how viscerally opposed

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these people were because I exclusively reviewed some information showing

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that it wasn't just that they opposed it. They were

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screaming from the rooftops like this is not good. And

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then they were brought in to Brennan's office, they make

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their claims. He tells them he has secret knowledge that

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they don't have access to, which is not how you

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do an intelligence assessment, by.

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Speaker 3: The way, and then at the end he's like, we're

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going to keep it how we have it.

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Speaker 2: So you kind of wondered when this was going on,

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like why did nobody do anything and why did nobody

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in the government say anything? Well, when you did have

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people doing it, and these are not the only ones,

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like there are more documents coming out, and I have

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another story that I'm working on that'll be out tomorrow

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about additional information like this, okay, But when that happened,

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when people would say what you're doing is wrong and

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this is ridiculous and all that, you would have Obama

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officials shutting them up, overruling them, telling them that they

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didn't know what they were talking about and that there

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was secret knowledge that they did not have access to,

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and then later Brennan publicly defames them. I mean, he

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does it in that very Brennan way. He's like, these

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are good men, but they just didn't have the secret

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knowledge had they weren't.

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Speaker 3: Up to speed on everything.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is once the dossier gets injected into

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the rest of the intelligence community, they start compartmentalizing it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The reason why that's key is as everyone who's read

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the dossier knows the moment you read it, the moment

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you know it's horse Pockey like, you have to be

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an absolute idiot to think this is real. So the

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more that they could they could hide it from people,

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the less they were able to fight it. As you know,

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they were less able to say this is illegitimate intelligence.

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You have someone saying like I was working on the assessment.

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I have been working on these topics since twenty fifteen,

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and I have you know, I am really concerned if

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the dossier were being used, meaning it was kept from

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this person too. So sorry, there's so much to cover here,

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but do you see why.

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Speaker 3: It's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Is like a It shows that Obama engineered the conspiracy. Now,

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probably Brennan brought the idea to him and said, what

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if we kill the intelligence that says the opposite of

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what we want to say, and what if we create

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a new intelligence product will put the right stuff in there.

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So Brennan really pushes for this claim that Trump was

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trying that Russia was trying to help Trump. Komy pushes

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to include the dossier, and they do. They always say,

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we never actually made it, we never actually got it

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included in the assessment. That's not true on two fronts. One,

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who the heck cares if it's an appendix or in

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the body of the assessment. The whole point of having

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it as an appendix was to make sure it was

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briefed to Trump and leaked to CNN. But also it's

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not true that it wasn't in the body because when

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they say we assess with a high degree of confidence

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that Russia was trying not just to like sow chaos

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or even harm Hillary Clinton, things that.

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Speaker 3: We've known for a long time, but they.

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Speaker 2: Were actually trying to hurt or to help Trump, which

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is like the cornerstone of the collusion claim. One of

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the reasons they give for the substantiation is the Steele dossier.

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Speaker 1: Well, hold on the collusion. The crux of the collusion

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claim was not that Russia tried to help, because maybe

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they did on the edges in some way, right, but

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that someone in the Trump campaign that the campaigners had

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some kind of colluded collusion with Russian whoever, right.

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Speaker 3: Which is what the Steele dossier claims.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right. I just wanted to go back to the

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hacking claim. You mentioned the hacking word, and people today

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I've seen saying no one ever said that they hack

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this or hack that. Well, I went back to a

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story I wrote right when Trump became president for the

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Federalists twenty seventeen, where I have a quote from Adam

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Schiff saying, mister President, the Russians hacked our election and interfered.

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No one disputes this now, but you this is what's

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called fact. So, I mean, obviously he's an incredible liar

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and he knew he was lying at that point, but

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plenty of people in the media immediately use the word hacking.

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I just want to stress that which is a lot

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different than oh, you know, some low level even though

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that might not have been true, but that some low

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level Trump campaign official had once spoken to a Russian

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ambassador or something.

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Speaker 2: And remember the intelligence that they smothered and conspired to

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hide from Trump was that essentially Russia hadn't hacked the election.

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Speaker 1: Right, And one other thing, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They were always doing what the Russians always do, but

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like it didn't matter, right, That's what they suppressed before

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they put out this other narrative. And I just want

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to say also, yes, in November, December, and early January,

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that is the main narrative of the Russia collusion hoaxers.

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Speaker 3: It's that Russia hacked the election.

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Speaker 2: You see such a you can go into Google trends

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and look at the phrase hacked election or hacked the election.

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It's almost never used before or after. But this is

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what gets it going. People are like, wait, did they

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actually hack our election? And you might have thousands of

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examples of Democrats and the media saying they did so

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when people say, we never said that, are you kidding me?

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I remember being on TV and being.

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Speaker 3: Like, what the heck are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Like I think he just won because people voted for

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him and didn't like Hillary Clinton, And they're like.

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Speaker 3: No, it's because the Russians hacked the election.

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Speaker 2: So you also see in I don't know if it's

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late twenty sixteen or early twenty seventeen, a significant number

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of Democrats believed that Russia tampered with the vote totals

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in the election. By twenty eighteen, it's not just a

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majority of Democrats, it's sixty six percent believe that Russia

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didn't just hack the election, changed the voting tallies. Like

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the belief that Russia stole Russia and Trump conspired to

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steal the election is widely held among Democrats. And when

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you're like why because it's completely made up, Well, this

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is how it starts. And again, learning that it starts

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through a meaning of Obama and his high level intel chiefs, Well,

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that's that's a conspiracy. That's a seditious conspiracy. I mean,

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it's it's a really big deal.

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Speaker 1: Some of that was driven by the hacking of Podesta's email.

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I don't know, if you want to dive into that.

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I don't think there's ever been any connection. Obviously the

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Russians might have done it, I don't know. I don't

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know do we know who did that?

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Speaker 2: In the end, so I think and I need to

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kind of go back and refresh on all of this.

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But you have a couple of different situations. The Podesta email,

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I believe was just him getting spearfished, like you know

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when people say, click on this link and you get

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a million dollars. He clicked on the link and exposed

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his email. The hack of the DNC is separate, and

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that is we've never had the high rigor of analysis

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that you would like to have. Like I have no

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problem believing that Russia or another country might have hacked

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the or you know, tried to hack these things or

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get this information. It also probably even more likely was

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just as these things usually are, a rando on the internet.

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Speaker 3: You know who does it.

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Speaker 2: The reason for why they think it's Russia is considered

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by many people to be laughable. I am not in

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any way enough an cybersecurity person or someone who's read

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enough on this to know whether the experts who doubt

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this claim are legitimate or not.

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Speaker 1: I assume rando's do it and then sell it to

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nations or sell it to agencies, or yeah.

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Speaker 2: To corporations or any number. Yeah so, But frequently when

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we see hacks of this nature, they are people who

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are interested parties, but not necessarily you know, Russia, Israel

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or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Let me touch on an another thing here, Obama. Now

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Trump put out sort of an AI video Obama being

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arrested or something. I think he has completely plausible deniability here,

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or even better than that, in the sense that CIA

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director comes with you. We don't know how he phrased it.

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any evidence. And again, just asking doesn't seem like there's

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any evidence that Obama was like, yeah, let's set him up,

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let's ruin his presidency or anything like that. He's saying, Hey,

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the CIA director is the guy I have to trust

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on this, and he says there's something here or not

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or whatever. How do you what do you make of

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Obama's role here or what do we know?

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Speaker 2: So let's also just kind of get cut to the end,

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which is the Supreme Court ruled, after a bunch of

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Democrat law fair against Trump that presidents have a lot

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of immunity for anything that's done in office. Sure, so

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these people who are like we got it, you know,

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probably not. But there are a few problems for Obama.

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One is that he is briefed in late July by

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Brennan about how they have knowledge that Russia knows about

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Hillary Clinton's hoax for Russia hoax, and he is personally

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briefed by Brennan that the Russia hoax is like a

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thing and that Russia knows about it.

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Speaker 1: At this point, what does that mean? Russia hoax? He's

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briefed on the Russia hoax. He knows it's untrue.

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Speaker 2: So Hillary Clinton, well, Hillary Clinton, I have this thing

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that probably would make some people mad, which is believing

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that all not that all is fair in love and

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warn campaign campaigns. But people do dirty tricks in campaigns.

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It's just a fact. What makes the Russia collusion hoax

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so horrific is that the dirty trick is completely adopted

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by our government. That's where it's like, okay, So the

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dirty trick that Hillary conspired to do was to create

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a narrative that would be released during the campaign that

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Trump had problematic ties to Russia. And as part of this,

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she secretly hires and I say secretly because she funnels

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the purchase of this of this plot through Perkins Cooey,

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a big Democrat law firm, and Mark Elias, who at

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the time worked at that law firm, to hire people

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will who will run this operation. And the people hired

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to run the operation are Fusion GPS. Hillary Clinton hires

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Fusion GPS through a cutout, which is a law firm,

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to hide what she's doing. And they hire Christopher Steele,

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who for years is presented as like a superspy. It

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turns out that he's not at all, you know, like

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not at all. His information is minimal corroborated, even when

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it's not about Russia. And the Fusion GPS doesn't just collect.

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Speaker 3: The information, they also disseminate it, and so.

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Speaker 2: They are briefing people, they are also inserting it into

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the FBI. They're spreading it around to all sorts of

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people in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the first Steel Dossier Again, I can't remember what

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I've forgotten, you know, but.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the first Steel Dossier product isn't even

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issued until late July, if I recall correctly, But on

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I think it's July twenty eight. Brennan goes to the

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White House and tells Obama the Russians know what the

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Russians know, Hillary is trying to collect information wo on Trump,

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and so at that point they then decide to start

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an investigation into Trump, and I say.

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Speaker 3: They loosely like this is when the FBI.

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Speaker 2: Is launching it's investigation into Trump, not Hillary, but Trump,

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and not like, hey, Trump, you need to know that

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Hillary is going to is like doing this thing, like

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we need to give you a defensive briefing because Russia.

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Speaker 3: Might do things to you.

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Speaker 2: Now, No, they just start like spying on Trump and

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his people and running an investigation. So by the time

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of early December, when when Obama conspires with his intel

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chiefs to suppress the real truth and put out a

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fake product, He's known for months what's going on. Also,

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Brennan starts running around the Hill in August telling, you know,

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telling the Gang of Eight, just you guys know, we

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have reason to believe that Russia is trying to help Trump.

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He briefs Harry Reid. Harry Reid issues a public letter

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to Komy saying like, we really want you to start

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an investigation into Trump. And my favorite thing, I actually

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bought Brennan's book to do some research on this. And

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Brennan says that when he tells Mitch McConnell this, Mitch

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McConnell just looks at him and says huh, this sounds

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like something Obama and his CIA might say to hurt

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Trump's chances in the election, Like he's no dummy. He

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knows right away what Brennan is doing with the briefing. Now,

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I thought it was a And Brennan writes up that

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he was just so personally insulted that Mitch McConnell thought

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he was playing games. It's like, well, he'd known you

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for a long time, John Brennan. But disappointing for people

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on the right is that how could Mitch McConnell have

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known this in late August or early September and then

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been so impotent in fighting the russiacclusion hoax. Once it

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gets going, he tells the Democrats like Kerry read as

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I mentioned, and they start running.

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Speaker 3: Wild with it.

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Speaker 2: But he also tells Devin Newness. Now, he writes in

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his book that he tells all of these people that

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he has you know that Russia's trying to help Trump.

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I'm pretty sure that he didn't actually tell everybody what

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he claimed he did. He says Devin Nunez, who is

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known as at this time as perhaps the biggest Russia

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hawk in the entire Congress, and that he just wasn't interested. Now, again,

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by this point nunes knew not to trust Brennan about anything.

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I'm sure he did not react to anything he was told,

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but also I am curious about what he was really told.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if that.

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Speaker 1: And just for contexts, Brennan had spied on a senator,

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so do you know what I'm saying while he was

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a CIA chief. Also just for timeline purposes, in July

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of that year was when Calemy let Hillary go even

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though she had broken the law with the servers and

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all that. Exactly the same month.

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Speaker 2: And also this week, we get information about how crazy

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the effort to suppress a real investigation into that was. Grassley.

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Senator Grassley from Iowa had been asking for little early

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eight years for a classified annex to the I guess

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not for that entire time, because it didn't come out

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until a couple of years later, but for you know,

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there's like a classified annex or something to that report

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that gave more detail. And it turns out they basically

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never did the investigation into Hillary server, and they had

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real information about like foreign access to the server that

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they just never investigated. And the report from the Inspector

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General Michael Horwitz is like, yeah, they just said that.

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Speaker 3: They just didn't. They just didn't.

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Speaker 2: They just decided not to look into how foreigners had

477
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a lot of knowledge from Hillary Clinton, and they.

478
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Speaker 1: Get preemptive immunities to virtually everyone who had access to that,

479
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so no one had any kind of incentive to tell

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anyone anything. You remember that, I mean, it's insane.

481
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Speaker 2: It's a really interesting document for people who want to

482
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go back down that rabbit hole. But one of the

483
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things that's interesting that was just released is that they

484
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have information and they're not sure it's real. They're really

485
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not sure it's real, but it's kind of information.

486
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Speaker 3: In saying that.

487
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Speaker 2: They have information that Loretta Lynch was corresponding with the

488
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Hillary Clinton campaign and when they present her with the information,

489
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she just kind of doesn't really respond.

490
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Speaker 3: But they don't really like going to it.

491
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Speaker 2: Again, the FBI clearly did not want to in.

492
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Speaker 3: Any way get involved in.

493
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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton's in the scandal involving Hillary Clinton, they I'm

494
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sure thought she would win and they wanted her to

495
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like them. And it's a real contrast to how they

496
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treated Donald Trump, who they did not think would win,

497
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and then how they freaked out what he did win.

498
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There are other things with Obama about what he knew,

499
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but this information shows that that that when he ordered

500
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the Intelligence community assessment, the end of the assessment was already.

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Speaker 3: Like baked in.

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Speaker 2: And this gives us insight into into the conspiracy that

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we just didn't have before. We have spent a lot

504
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of time focused on the FBI and their use of

505
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the Steele dossier, but that was just one part of

506
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the hoax, and so this this info is very helpful.

507
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Speaker 3: I think.

508
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Speaker 4: The Federal Reserve Offices in DC are getting an extreme

509
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Soviet makeover.

510
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Speaker 5: The Watched Out on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski.

511
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Every day Chris helps unpack the connection between politics and

512
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the economy and how it.

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Speaker 1: Affects your wallet.

514
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Speaker 4: The Federal Reserve Offices are getting a two point five

515
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billion dollar renovation. For perspective, Jerry Jones built Cowboys Stadium

516
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for one point one five billion.

517
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Speaker 5: Whether it's happening in DC or down on Wall Street,

518
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it's affecting you financially.

519
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Speaker 1: Be informed.

520
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Speaker 5: Check out the Watched Out on Wall Street podcast with

521
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Chris Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

522
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Speaker 1: I feel from what I've read so far, you have

523
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,880
much more expertise on this that the folks who think

524
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someone's going to jail over this, I think that that's

525
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not going to happen. I mean, Telsea Gabbert's claim seems

526
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to be that the argument over whether Russia had the

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capability to do, you know, to change election results and

528
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kind of putting that aside as Brandon did and maybe

529
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Obama did, is criminal. And it just seems to me

530
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that it's corruption that is very going to be very

531
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difficult to charge anyone with any kind of crime. How

532
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do you feel about what we know? Do you think

533
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there's enough there or not?

534
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Speaker 2: So what I think about as someone who has covered

535
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this story quite a bit. I've written before about how

536
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I kind of got into this story. It was around

537
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this time I was starting to do more TV. Everybody

538
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was saying that Russia had hacked the election, and I

539
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,599
was pushing back against it. But I was pushing back

540
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in like a tsunami. Everybody in DC was saying the opposite,

541
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And if you pushed back at all, they'd be like,

542
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you disagree with the intelligence community, the United intelligence community,

543
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,279
where there's not a drip of disagreement about anything, like

544
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you're an election denier and an Intel denier. Now I

545
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:12,640
didn't really have a problem with this because I sort

546
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of started getting interested in the topic through my lack

547
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,000
of belief in the intel community's weapons of mass destruction

548
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:24,319
claim during the Iraq War. So saying like, you don't

549
00:31:24,359 --> 00:31:27,000
believe John Brennan, how dare you like? It didn't work

550
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on me because I had been not believing outlandish claims

551
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from the ICA for a while or from the intelligence community.

552
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But then we get these reports giving government reports into

553
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what happened, and that includes Michael Horowitz, the former Department

554
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,000
of Justice Inspector General. He puts out like a four

555
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:53,240
hundred and fifty page report on the FBI's participation in

556
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:57,279
aspects of the Russia collusion hoax it is. And then

557
00:31:57,319 --> 00:32:02,039
you have the John Durham in thestigation and report. And

558
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what I find interesting about these reports is how dryly

559
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everything is described. So, for instance, in a story I'm

560
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working on right now, he says that there were people

561
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who were quote unquote concerned about the use of the

562
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dossier and the level at which it would be used.

563
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Speaker 3: I mean, is so dry.

564
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Speaker 2: And then you look at what they were actually thinking

565
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about it, and they are again screaming from the rooftops,

566
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are you kidding me? This does not mean even our lowest,

567
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barest minimum standards for inclusion in an intelligence product. You

568
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,640
have in mid December people being like, wait, you're telling

569
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me that this product was paid for first by an

570
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anti Trump Republican and then which is not true, but

571
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:54,519
that's what they were told, and then by a Democrat.

572
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And you don't think that that incentivized the source to

573
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give material that would keep them getting p Like.

574
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Speaker 3: Are you kids?

575
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Speaker 2: So they figure out, like immediately, Christopher Steele is not

576
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to be trusted, something the FBI still has not admitted.

577
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And the way that it's written up by Horowitz is

578
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they expressed concern that's not accurate. They were like, this

579
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cannot be included, and they are what do they say?

580
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They say it's extremely sketchy sourcing, that it is poor

581
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source tradecraft, that you know that, it's just they're they're

582
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:30,759
like shocked that they're even being asked to consider it

583
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as anything real. And so when you say, like why

584
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you know, well, the Horowitz report came out and nobody

585
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,519
went to jail. Well, I'm sorry, you're not going to

586
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like go after people because someone said that some people

587
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:45,279
expressed concern and other people didn't. You know, you have

588
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the Durham Report, which I think says that the everything,

589
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according to what he knows, the intelligence community assessment was

590
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put together brilliantly and without any contradiction or concern, which

591
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,119
just is all of these documents, hundreds of pages of

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documents show is not true.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

594
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Speaker 2: And so when it comes to actual prosecution for this conspiracy,

595
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and it is a seditious conspiracy, I mean, they were

596
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trying to keep Trump from being inaugurated, and then when

597
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that failed, they just decided to destroy his presidency. That

598
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,079
type of conspiracy is maybe the worst crime of a

599
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,440
government official of government officials in our history. And so

600
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the idea that like nobody goes to jail is hard

601
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for a lot of people to stomach. Having said that,

602
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part of the conspiracy was to suppress the ability to

603
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learn of their conspiracy. That's what the Molar probe was

604
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all about. It was not about finding out more info

605
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on how Trump and Russia colluded, that's what they claimed

606
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it was about. It was about keeping anybody from which

607
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,239
it was bad enough, by the way, but it was

608
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about keeping anyone from figuring out what they had done,

609
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and then you've got statutes of limitations running out, although

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the fact that the conspiracy is ongoing, like to this day,

611
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Obama yesterday saying.

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Speaker 3: I didn't do anything you know you have, which is

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not true.

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Speaker 2: He did, you know, And you have people making claims

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publicly to this day that they believe Trump and Russia

616
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colluded based on their you know, how they had pushed

617
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out this false intelligence, and so it would be very,

618
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very tricky. But it's also true that if you can't

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prosecute people for sedition when you've kind of got them

620
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dead to rights, that's not a good thing for the

621
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country either.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you had the UH, I

623
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forgot what your report it was, but you have, for instance,

624
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,519
we know that every FISA application was fake, right, I

625
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:44,320
think all of them, maybe you know, that started this thing,

626
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and yet no one was even reprimanded for that. Really,

627
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,159
I don't think maybe one person was slightly. But like so,

628
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the idea that someone's going to jail who is running

629
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the CIA or running you know, the FBI, it just

630
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seems implausible to me.

631
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Speaker 3: David.

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Speaker 2: There's one more aspect to this that I think needs

633
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to be discussed, which is the role the media played

634
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in this seditious conspiracy. We mentioned that on the day

635
00:36:08,599 --> 00:36:11,960
they hatch the plot to do this ica, there are

636
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these leaks that immediately go out to the Washington Post

637
00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:19,000
in New York Times. The reporters who uncritically posted those

638
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:23,280
that leaked information would later receive Pulitzers for their role

639
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in pushing the Russia collusion hoax. Let's skip all the

640
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way forward to this last weekend. Tulca Gabbert releases all

641
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this information, just objectively speaking, learning about Obama's involvement and

642
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,119
just how it all got started and how much objection

643
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there was within the intelligence community to what the Obama

644
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chiefs were doing.

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Speaker 3: This is all just.

646
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Speaker 2: Objectively speaking, massive, massive, massive story, and our corporate media

647
00:36:54,719 --> 00:37:01,639
either completely failed to mention it, completely ignored it, or

648
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,159
continued perpetuating the hoax as Margaret Brennan did. She did

649
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:09,079
not cover the she did not journalistically cover the story,

650
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she pushed to protect the hoaxers.

651
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Speaker 3: Themselves of what she is one or they just like

652
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:17,719
downplayed it because I mean, I think there's like got to.

653
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:19,679
Speaker 2: Be room, at least partly in here for just people

654
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,480
who are stupid or don't understand the significance of this

655
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:26,440
reporting or too lazy to look into it. But for

656
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:31,000
those people who are knowingly perpetuating the Russia collusion hoax,

657
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a seditious conspiracy against the United States? Against US, should

658
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:42,760
is claiming to be a journalist protection from involvement.

659
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 3: In this conspiracy? Like is there anything that should be

660
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looked into here?

661
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:52,519
Speaker 2: Like it's actually quite frustrating how much people who present

662
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themselves as journalists are really just partisans pushing Democrat talking points,

663
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Like we see it all the time, but when it

664
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actually goes from your partisan hackery into a conspiracy against

665
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the United States, Does being a journalist protect you from

666
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,960
the crimes being committed or from investigation for the crimes

667
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:11,559
being committed?

668
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Speaker 3: What do you think?

669
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Speaker 1: Yes, I think it does? Does it?

670
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,199
Speaker 2: Like if do you think that being a journalist should

671
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protect you from a conspiracy involving murder? Like an investigation

672
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into murder.

673
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Speaker 1: If you know there's been a murder and you cover

674
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it up?

675
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Speaker 2: Okay, we know these people know that this is a hoax,

676
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Like we can't keep playing like, oh maybe they don't know,

677
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,639
they know, they know it's a hoax, and they're still

678
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continuing to perpetuate it.

679
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Speaker 3: Like, at what point, Well, if.

680
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: There's a predicate, like there's no one, no one's even to.

681
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Speaker 2: Protect their buddy who committed the murder, they might not

682
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know that he committed the murder. At what point do

683
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you sort of go that we know that Jake Tapper

684
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,760
knows there was a murder here, you know.

685
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was no one even who's been prosecuted,

686
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who perpetuated the hoax itself, initially meaning from the government.

687
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,360
So now you're going to start aiming at journalists. I

688
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,079
just don't I think it's a slippery slope in the

689
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,679
sense also like how do we know who's stupid and

690
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,519
who's in on it? Or like I think it began

691
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:12,440
like this. Someone in the CIA tells you something's going

692
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,920
on in the old days, you believe them right now.

693
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,199
I'm not saying all everyone did right away or whatever,

694
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but I think some of these people did. And then

695
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,960
when they realized it was probably BS, they they were

696
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,280
in already the incentive, you know, there was a culture

697
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,639
of panic. The incentive was to keep it going. They

698
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:32,519
started lying. Now, journalists have done this before. I just

699
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:36,159
don't know what you start prosecuting journalists for sending bad

700
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:38,800
information out I mean, they do it all the time.

701
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,360
I think the punishment here is that you should be

702
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,760
going out of business. People don't trust them, you know,

703
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,159
and all of that. I don't Pulitzer Prize is nice

704
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:51,199
for them, but their industry is tanking, right and well,

705
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:51,559
I don't know.

706
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,599
Speaker 2: Take the situation right now, which is you've got this

707
00:39:54,719 --> 00:40:00,239
release of just really important information and you have people

708
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saying it's not a big deal, like yes, okay, or

709
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here's another way of thinking about it. When you look

710
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at the people involved in the conspiracy to spread the

711
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:13,159
lie that Donald Trump was an agent of Russia, a

712
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lot of them are gone, right Obama, Biden, Brennan, Comy Clapper,

713
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and I think Clapper is like the least of those.

714
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It must be acknowledged, you know, not that we're fans

715
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:27,960
of him. All the other people who were involved in

716
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,000
the conspiracy, who were in the government, they are, you know,

717
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,039
all the big ones, they're gone. When you look at

718
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:39,239
the media who were in on the conspiracy and who

719
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,280
perpetuated the conspiracy, they're all still there, Like Jake Tapper

720
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,760
is still there. And I want to remind you I

721
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,440
wrote a piece about how I knew the Russia collusion

722
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,559
hoax was a hoax because of information that was given

723
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:57,760
to me in Jake Tapper's presence, and I have very

724
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,840
strong reason to believe, and I write about it in

725
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,159
the piece about how Jake Tapper lied about the Russia

726
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:05,559
collusion thing, and he of course was the original author

727
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,320
of the piece on the intelligence community assessment. So if

728
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:14,239
I stupid Molly know based on things that I'm learning

729
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,119
in Jake Tapper's presence, that it's a hoax, which give

730
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:20,400
me the courage to fight all of Washington DC calling

731
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,719
me horrible, horrible names and pressuring me to shut up.

732
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,320
If that information I get in Jake Tapper's presence is

733
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:33,639
enough for me to fight the intelligence community's hoax. Certainly,

734
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:37,599
the very smart and talented Jake Tapper, you know, knows

735
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:41,719
what's going on. And he's still there. Margaret Brennan is

736
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,159
still there. The Washington Post and New York Times are

737
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:45,920
still there. So we could be like, oh, this is

738
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,800
in the past. It's not in the past. They are

739
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,960
continuing the hoax right now. They are covering for like

740
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:54,400
they're not going to be honest about the crimes committed

741
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,800
because they're complicit in the crimes and what do we

742
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,440
do about that, like saying just.

743
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:03,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's not just that there's the Kavanaugh

744
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:05,800
hoax right, or there will be a hoax tomorrow. It's

745
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,280
not over the auto pen stuff. I mean, I'm just

746
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,000
saying that you start going after journalists in that way.

747
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:14,559
That's a precedent you said for others to go after

748
00:42:14,639 --> 00:42:18,159
journalists for reporting that bad stories are being in on conspiracies.

749
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:20,679
I just I think that the others officials need to

750
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:21,320
be punished.

751
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 2: Conspiracies isn't journalism, It's not.

752
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think they're involved in journalism. I

753
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,719
think they're propaganda's for the most part. But propagandists aren't

754
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,440
the I don't know. I mean, I'm I need a

755
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,519
lot of evidence that someone you know, to say that

756
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:41,000
a journalist should be prosecuted for something like that. Though

757
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,360
now that you're talking about I just hadn't really thought

758
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,960
this through. Journalists do go to jail for protecting sources

759
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,239
for instance, you know, which which is because there might

760
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,440
be criminality there, right, and things like that, and the

761
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,039
court says you have to reveal your sources. So maybe

762
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:57,760
the better way to go to a journalist is that

763
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:00,639
show me your notes on this, tell me what happened here,

764
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:02,480
you know, Like I don't know. I mean, if they're

765
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:04,280
part of a conspiracy in a larger trial.

766
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: But I also am concerned about targeting of real journalists

767
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,880
of real journalism, like that's a bad thing.

768
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: I just think there should be some creative.

769
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:19,519
Speaker 2: Lawyerly minds, lawyer minds thinking about whether there's anything that

770
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:23,519
can be done to make sure that this type of.

771
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 3: I mean, it is amazing that we haven't been.

772
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: In a hotter war with Russia because of the lies

773
00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:33,480
that these people spread. And yes, part of it is

774
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:36,119
partisans in the government part of it, but part of

775
00:43:36,119 --> 00:43:42,039
it is this really horrifically shoddy propaganda that was put

776
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:46,039
out willingly and knowingly and like easily by lots of

777
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,360
bad people who won awards for what they were doing.

778
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:54,199
And some I don't think it's right that they can say, oh,

779
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,480
I took part in a seditious conspiracy, but I have

780
00:43:56,519 --> 00:43:58,840
a get out of jail free card. It's that I'm

781
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,119
a journalist. Like that's that's just not how you could

782
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,639
but by that to the mob or whatever.

783
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:06,079
Speaker 1: No one's been Yeah, you could do a racketeering truck,

784
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:08,400
no one, No one is no one has been prosecuted

785
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,440
in the government, So I mean, you can't you know,

786
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,039
if you prosecute people in the government, they tell you. Yeah.

787
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,599
Jake Tapper was in on this, you know, we talked

788
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:18,840
about it. This that I mean, I think you can't

789
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,000
start backwards with the journalists. I just don't. I think

790
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,079
that that's a dangerous precedent in the sense that you know,

791
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:26,400
there'll be a next Biden or Hillary or Obama.

792
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: Well, the dangerous president is the other one actually, which

793
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,760
is also they or they could continue to try to

794
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,280
destroy the country through the next hoax. And so that's

795
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,679
what I'm concerned about, thinking of ways that we can

796
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:47,400
encourage people not to lie or knowingly spread lies in

797
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:48,920
their propaganda.

798
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: Well, the fight against this is the best way to

799
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,599
fight against this is there is Molly Hemingway, who has

800
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:57,480
one point whatever million followers on Twitter, who is bigger

801
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,760
than Jake Tapper's audience every night, by men many times

802
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,079
over fighting back and throwing out you know, her facts.

803
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:08,639
I realize it's imperfect and these people are still on

804
00:45:08,679 --> 00:45:12,320
a perched in positions of authority, But I don't know,

805
00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:12,880
I don't know.

806
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,639
Speaker 2: You just brought it and here's what I want to say.

807
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:19,440
This information operation involves so many aspects. Part of it

808
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,719
involves this conspiracy to frame Trump as having included with Russia.

809
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: When this works without journalism, I get that none. I mean,

810
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,239
none of this works without CNN and MS and all

811
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:30,000
these people spread.

812
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: It doesn't work without a corrupt censorship environment. And of

813
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,039
course I've been a victim of censorship, and the Federalist

814
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:39,920
has been a victim of censorship for years. And it

815
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,679
involves like corporations subsidizing the propaganda too. Like there's so

816
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,719
many angles to this. So saying like, oh, you've got

817
00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:49,559
one point four million followers on Twitter, like, yeah, I do,

818
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,079
and that is not a reflection of what it should

819
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:55,199
be outside of censorship environment.

820
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: I want those I want those institutions destroyed. I think

821
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,440
NBC News, ABC News, CBS, all of them. I mean,

822
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:06,280
I just think that they are propaganda's for one political

823
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,400
party and it's bad for the country. They're beyond biased.

824
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,800
I think Trump broke them, you know that. I just

825
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,960
I worry when you start getting the state involved deciding

826
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,239
deciding these things and deciding who is targeted, it's just

827
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:28,320
a dangerous precedent. And anyway we'll see. That's obviously, there's

828
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,960
so many facets to this story that are interesting, so

829
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:33,480
we just covered some of them, but there are others,

830
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,960
and we'll probably going back to it. It's incredible how

831
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:41,639
I remember this sort of breaking and I never thought

832
00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:44,400
it would consume my life ten years later. Do you

833
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,480
know what I'm saying? Yeah, all right, let's talk about

834
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,639
something funnier. Okay, I was gonna say funnier like Stephen Colbert,

835
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,760
but that's not very funny. Let's talk about Hunter Hunter

836
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,000
Biden's interview the other day. Did you see this?

837
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,079
Speaker 2: I haven't watch it in its entirety, but I did

838
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:05,920
watch a few clips and I thought it was super interesting.

839
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,519
I know you're supposed to say, like Hunter Biden is

840
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:11,840
the devil or whatever, but I thought I thought his

841
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,719
loyalty to his father was impressive. Obviously, we already knew

842
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,679
that there was a lot of family loyalty there, given

843
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,559
their business and.

844
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 3: How they make money.

845
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 2: But what he was saying, like all the people he

846
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,519
was throwing under the bus, I thought was interesting. And

847
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:28,440
it kind of needs to be said again because of

848
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,599
this propaganda environment in we never get people speaking freely

849
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,400
about problems in the Democrat Party like it can literally

850
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,880
be on fire and people are like, the Republicans are

851
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,639
in disarray when it's you know, Democrats are having all

852
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:42,559
this trouble. So I thought it was super interesting. What

853
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:43,119
did you think?

854
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: It made me want to interview him so badly because

855
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,719
I think it would be interesting to ask him actually

856
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,880
tougher questions and see how you reacted. So let's go

857
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,199
through some of the big Let's go through some of

858
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:58,559
the highlights. He was dropping f bounds between like every

859
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:01,320
second word. I think that was just acting, but he

860
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,280
was so I can't really read full quotes, but he

861
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,519
went after Jake Tapper essentially said no one listens to him,

862
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:11,679
and that that he has that he made, that he

863
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:15,039
sort of cat he cashed in on on stuff that

864
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:16,800
he should have been covering. Was to me the subs

865
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:18,920
text of that. I liked when he went off on

866
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,119
George Clooney. Now if people remember it was George Clooney

867
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,760
who wrote that was it in the New York Times?

868
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,599
Off ed yes, asking Biden to get out, and he's like,

869
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:30,039
who is he? Do you think in Middle America anyone

870
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,679
cares about him? In Green Bay, Wisconsin, anyone cares about

871
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,960
him what does he know about the real world? And

872
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,039
he kept saying f him of everyone. So I like

873
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:41,960
that that was a good point. And in that rant,

874
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,280
I think he started to go after Obama's speech writers

875
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,559
who were dining out on being what do he say,

876
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:50,199
like low level speech writers. He talking about the pod

877
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,400
saves What is it, pod Saves America or something? Podcasts? Yeah,

878
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:55,480
that was fun.

879
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: Well done.

880
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: David just went over the most interesting part about the

881
00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:59,920
Coney stuff.

882
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:01,559
Speaker 1: What was that?

883
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: Okay?

884
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: So the story Clooney tells is that he was motivated

885
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,679
to express concern about Biden solely because at this fundraiser

886
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,519
where everybody saw Biden kind of wander off stage or

887
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:19,679
need to be helped off stage by Obama. Well, at

888
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,880
that fundraiser, he didn't know who George Clooney was. Do

889
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,840
you remember that story? So Hunter says, that's not it

890
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,599
at all. He says, leading up to that fundraiser, Clooney

891
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,719
was really trying to pressure Biden and became enraged that

892
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,119
Biden wasn't supporting the What is the like you know,

893
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:43,920
the cord that had gone after net and.

894
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: Yahoo International ICC is it or Yeah?

895
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: So he his wife was part of the group that

896
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:58,440
tried to get net and Yahoo jailed or whatever, and

897
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,559
he didn't think that Biden was being properly responsive. So

898
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:04,480
they're having fights leading up to this event, so things

899
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,800
are already kind of cold.

900
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,639
Speaker 3: Also, this speaks to motivation, right, he.

901
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,559
Speaker 2: Was angry with Biden on behalf of his wife over

902
00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:15,840
a disagreement on Netanyahu, which he does not mention in

903
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,000
his piece, saying, oh, he's just throwing Biden under the

904
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,760
bus out of like concern now that everybody can talk

905
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,920
about it. And the other thing is that Hunter says,

906
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,000
and this is very very true. I say this is

907
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,639
someone who has like tasted a little tiny tiny bit

908
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:32,559
of this that when you're doing a photo line, someone

909
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,800
will say to you who the person walking up is.

910
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: And that's true.

911
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,679
Speaker 2: So someone will say, Molly, this is John Blickensterfer. He's

912
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,559
a state senator from whatever, you know, And so you

913
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:45,280
kind of get like even half the time you actually

914
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,519
know who's being introduced to you, but someone still does it.

915
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,199
And so when Clooney said he didn't know who I was,

916
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,760
he's referencing, according to Hunter, someone saying mister President George Clooney,

917
00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:59,159
you know.

918
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:01,119
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

919
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:01,559
Speaker 1: Yeah?

920
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And that is a very different story than

921
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,599
the one Clooney told, and it's a it actually makes

922
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:10,639
sense more. Not that we don't think Biden also is

923
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:15,679
seen now we've seen that. But I mean, this is

924
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:17,719
why I'm saying the Hunter Biden interview was interesting.

925
00:51:18,119 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Still, there were so many other instances where Joe

926
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,360
Biden was clearly not aware of his surroundings that it's plausible.

927
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:31,480
Then I like that he was said he was against

928
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,320
having the debate at all, and his reasoning was quite sound.

929
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,239
I don't know if it was true at the time,

930
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,719
but he you know, he said that why are we

931
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,119
rushing to debate someone who has just been indicted? Right,

932
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,079
But then he talks about how they'd given him his

933
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:52,760
dad ambient and that's why he performed poorly. I don't

934
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,880
believe that's true. I mean, it could have been part

935
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,119
of it, but obviously he was not up for it.

936
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,519
He also I liked that he went out after David

937
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:03,480
Axelrod and said his like, his one accomplishment was just

938
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,920
kind of being there for you know, with Obomber early on,

939
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,199
he never did anything. And then he went after James Carville,

940
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:14,039
who hasn't run an election twenty years or whatever talked

941
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,760
about cocaine in his own you know, they claimed he

942
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,400
was cleaning sober since twenty nineteen, hadn't touched anything.

943
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,519
Speaker 2: That part was kind of clipped out of context if

944
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:25,840
people saw it where he's talking about how pure crack

945
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,000
cocaine is and people are like, he's making the case

946
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:28,840
for crack cocaine.

947
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,039
Speaker 3: If you watch it in context.

948
00:52:30,519 --> 00:52:32,519
Speaker 2: He's actually like, I don't even like talking about it

949
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:35,239
because I don't want to, you know, make people think

950
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,000
it's good.

951
00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:38,559
Speaker 1: Why would I bring cocaine into the White House and

952
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:40,760
stick it into a cubby outside the situation room in

953
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,320
the West Wing. Listen. I don't know if it was

954
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,119
his or not. It's not crazy to think it would

955
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:47,039
have been. And he's a liar, he's been known to lie.

956
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,239
But I'm sure there are plenty of people who were

957
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,639
doing cocaine who went into the White House.

958
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 3: I loved like that. By the way, why would I

959
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:57,159
do that?

960
00:52:57,199 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: Did he say he didn't do it? Or did he

961
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,559
say why would I do that? It's like when your

962
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:03,760
kids get in trouble and they're like, well, yeah.

963
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: But you did Yeah. Anyway, it was it was interesting.

964
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,719
They should give that guy a podcast would be interesting.

965
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,440
I mean, he said a lot of idiotic things as

966
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:22,480
well about politics, but it was interesting. Happy to hear

967
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,519
from him, nice to hear from him. He went on

968
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:28,599
his whole rant on illegal immigrants and how we need

969
00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:31,840
them to clean our toilets and our hotel rooms and stuff.

970
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:33,960
Now I'm on two minds of this. I hate when

971
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:35,960
we pretend that people who do things that are not

972
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:38,760
glamorous or slave labor. I mean, this is a lot

973
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,840
how a lot of people have part time jobs and whatever.

974
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:42,920
But the idea that we have to import people just

975
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,519
to do that under the radar or whatever, it's just

976
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:46,440
it's idiotic.

977
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,639
Speaker 2: I think when people refer to it that way, they're

978
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:54,079
referencing how when you're illegal, your wages are much lower

979
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:57,719
than if you're not, and that is, you know, and

980
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,679
the way people just celebrate it, like he's out there

981
00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:00,000
being like.

982
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 3: Oh, who's changing your sheets?

983
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I oh, I come from a

984
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,639
different background than Hunter Biden, but I know people. I

985
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:14,760
know people in my life who who currently work as maids,

986
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:19,079
you know, and have worked as maids at hotels, and

987
00:54:22,119 --> 00:54:25,360
the way that they don't get paid well is because

988
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,440
there's this influx of illegal labor that enables some payments

989
00:54:29,519 --> 00:54:32,039
that are below what they should be.

990
00:54:33,519 --> 00:54:35,199
Speaker 1: I don't want to argue about that part. I think

991
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,599
that there are minimums.

992
00:54:36,639 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 2: Arguing about whether illegal immigrants decrease wages, because that's just

993
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:40,480
a fact.

994
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: I am arguing, No, it's not a fact. I mean

995
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,360
it is. I do not affect the wage rate. Like

996
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,360
you're going to fight, yes, I am, if you let

997
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,679
me finish. I'm not saying that it doesn't affect the

998
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,559
wage rate in any industry. I'm saying it doesn't affect

999
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,960
the wage rate in other industries, in other industries. For instance,

1000
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,679
it's in a hotel. People who work in big hotel

1001
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,519
chains are not illegal immigrants. They don't hire illegal immigrants.

1002
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:11,440
Those are for smaller businesses. Well, all the minimum.

1003
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: Waights ways you can hire illegal immigrants, even at big companies,

1004
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:19,320
and we've had recent prosecutions involving that, including document thefts

1005
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:19,920
and otherwise.

1006
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 1: But go on, I don't want I know this is

1007
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:26,360
we'll talk about this and other I'm against illegal immigration.

1008
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,400
Whether it lowers rates or doesn't row weights, I don't care.

1009
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,480
I don't like lawlessness, and I want Americans to work

1010
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,599
in America unless they have a visa, but I just

1011
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:39,960
don't like when people talk about work like that in

1012
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,000
the way that Frankly, I hear some people on the

1013
00:55:42,039 --> 00:55:46,159
right talk about it where they call people slaves who

1014
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:48,159
don't make a lot of money. Well, my parents started

1015
00:55:48,199 --> 00:55:50,000
out with bad jobs and then they got better jobs.

1016
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:52,159
Young people started out with bad jobs, they get better jobs.

1017
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,239
So anyway, it was interesting. We both agree right that

1018
00:55:57,559 --> 00:55:58,760
we need to hear more from Hunter.

1019
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: Biden would I would listen to a podcast. Also, if

1020
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,320
I were Democrats, I would just use him to clean

1021
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,559
out some of their mess because they are in this

1022
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:13,599
information propaganda environment that doesn't allow open criticism of what's

1023
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:17,519
happening in the Democrat Party. They struggled to fix what

1024
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:21,400
they need to fix. And not just Hunter, but other

1025
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,039
people should be speaking more if they want to help

1026
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:26,000
out the Democrat Party, I think.

1027
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,639
Speaker 1: And he's right about something. I wrote about it at

1028
00:56:27,639 --> 00:56:29,039
the time and I got a lot of blowback, but

1029
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:32,400
I thought that Biden would do better than Kamala. I mean,

1030
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,079
I just think that people in general, he seems to them,

1031
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:38,920
even though I don't know that it's true, more moderate

1032
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,079
and more reasonable.

1033
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:41,039
Speaker 3: I agree.

1034
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 2: I've said it, and people I've also gotten blowback into it.

1035
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: Now we have to go move on to something less funny,

1036
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:52,320
and that's Stephen Colbert's cancelation at CBS, which left took

1037
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:58,480
very hard and immediately conspiracized that it was a sacrifice.

1038
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:01,599
His show had been said sacrifice because Paramount's trying to

1039
00:57:01,639 --> 00:57:05,400
merge with this company called Skydance where it was run

1040
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:09,199
by David Ellison. I forgot Larry Ellison's son who is

1041
00:57:09,519 --> 00:57:11,280
and his dad's a Republican donor in this and that

1042
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,599
the whole thing reeks to me of the entitlement that

1043
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,719
is like a core characteristic of the Democratic Party right now,

1044
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:26,000
like that we or CBS stockholders or whoever would think

1045
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,880
about MPR and PBS, that we have some responsibility to

1046
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,840
make sure that lefties are on television or in our

1047
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,639
ear all the time. And I am so happy that

1048
00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:40,960
after twenty years of writing about politics, we have finally

1049
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:43,519
defunded PBS and MPR. I never thought it was going

1050
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:47,599
to happen. People have talked about it forever. But here's

1051
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:52,800
a Christopher Hayes at MSNBC quote. Not really an overstatement

1052
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,159
to say that a test of a free society is

1053
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:58,079
whether or not. Comedians can make fun of the country's

1054
00:57:58,159 --> 00:58:02,639
leader on TV without repercussion. And now the idea that

1055
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:07,079
making Trump hurts your career is just literally not.

1056
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:08,079
Speaker 3: Backed by evidence.

1057
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: Right, No, not back by evidence does not mesh with reality.

1058
00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:15,199
Colbert was making fifteen million a year and he did

1059
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,960
it for a decade.

1060
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 2: Right, and he was horrifically angry and attacking Trump every

1061
00:58:23,519 --> 00:58:25,840
single day of that. So the idea that after ten

1062
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,440
years of it, you getting fired because you haven't been

1063
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,719
able to make the show profitable in a long time,

1064
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:34,559
saying it's actually the ten years of hysteria I've been doing.

1065
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,960
I mean, it just doesn't make sense. So I'm getting

1066
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,480
punished for the ten years of hysteria.

1067
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: Right. Here's Jim Hemes's Connecticut house member. He was a

1068
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,840
guest on Colbert because people are just clamoring for him

1069
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,840
to be on late night TV, right, Like, I wonder

1070
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,880
why that show didn't do well. But anyway, he says

1071
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,360
that freedom of expression is fundamental to any democracy in

1072
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,320
America deserves more hosts like Stephen who asked the tough questions.

1073
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:01,519
Edward R. Murraw is rolling in his grave. So now

1074
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:04,920
Colbert was a journalist, he had Ilhan omar On, He

1075
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,159
had Stacy abrams On, Tim Walltz Kamala Harris never asked

1076
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:11,480
them a single tough question. Okay, so they that idea

1077
00:59:11,519 --> 00:59:15,199
is nonsense, but mostly it's clear that this was capitalism.

1078
00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:16,760
I'm going to just read you these numbers. You might

1079
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,079
have heard them, but his audience had fallen thirty percent.

1080
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:24,800
It started like eight million. Fewer than two hundred thousand

1081
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,840
nightly people who watched him were from the eighteen to

1082
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,960
forty nine demographic, which is a one year.

1083
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 3: Really after because that's the advertising demo.

1084
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:35,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, his average reviewer was sixty eight years old. This

1085
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,880
is obviously antiquated. I used to watch letter.

1086
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:40,519
Speaker 2: Not just that his average viewer was sixty eight years old,

1087
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:43,519
it's that when they hired him, they hoped he would

1088
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,960
lower the average age from what it was then, which

1089
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:48,719
was below sixty eight years old.

1090
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: It was sixty and it went to sixty eight over

1091
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,079
the time he was there. But Jimmy Kimmel, everyone says

1092
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:59,199
Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon had lower ratings than he did,

1093
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,320
but there revenue was high, and now now they're I

1094
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,840
wouldn't be surprised at the cancel all of this stuff.

1095
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,199
It's very expensive to produce for the outcome, right, But

1096
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:12,159
so here it is. Late night shows on major networks

1097
01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:15,000
earned four hundred and thirty nine million in AD revenue

1098
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,440
in twenty eighteen. Now they are in two twenty, so

1099
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:22,280
basically half that's not sustainable. I could when I I

1100
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:26,039
am not a big like celebrity watcher, but if I

1101
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:28,159
do want to hear from a celebrity, I go to

1102
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:30,599
a podcast and hear in our conversation with them. It's

1103
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:34,840
far more interesting than watching these, you know, watching Colbert

1104
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,239
or whoever interject constantly, and more than that, I get

1105
01:00:38,239 --> 01:00:40,880
a real sense of the person. And the podcasts cost

1106
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,719
a fraction of the you know, of the of the

1107
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,880
of the amount to produce, so they're just much better.

1108
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,719
I just think this is a dying medium.

1109
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,079
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, and some of that is his fault

1110
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:54,400
and a lot of it isn't. But it does seem

1111
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,840
that the scandal is not that he is going to

1112
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,639
be let go in May of twenty ten, twenty six,

1113
01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:04,800
which is an interminably long time away. Yeah, it's that

1114
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,360
he wasn't let go in like twenty fifteen when he

1115
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,920
started getting unwatchable that's the scandal to me. How could

1116
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:19,559
they afford to keep an unfunny, hate filled rantfest show

1117
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,119
for ten years if it weren't for some other reason,

1118
01:01:23,159 --> 01:01:26,119
Like they weren't making money, so why were they doing it?

1119
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:30,960
It wasn't funny. He'd replaced celebrities with Democrat officials, Like

1120
01:01:31,679 --> 01:01:34,039
why was it going on for the last ten years?

1121
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:35,679
That's the scandal to me.

1122
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I thought he was a mildly entertaining,

1123
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:44,199
satirical conservative blowhard on Comedy Central, but then he turned

1124
01:01:44,239 --> 01:01:50,320
into a blowhard, you know, didactic, unbearable, you know, unfunny,

1125
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:53,719
actual liberal on CBS. I think the part of it

1126
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,840
is probably that the Late Show is kind of a

1127
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,760
legacy show for that network, so they kept him on

1128
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:02,119
because they'd a bad choice obviously. Now I'll tell you,

1129
01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:05,440
we know that it is still viable maybe if you

1130
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:09,119
find someone funny, who doesn't take them selves that seriously,

1131
01:02:09,159 --> 01:02:13,320
who has funny guests and smart guests, because Gutfeld beats

1132
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,480
all these shows and it has only access which you

1133
01:02:16,519 --> 01:02:19,599
appear on, and it has only access to half the audience.

1134
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's on cable, and it's on cable, So I

1135
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:27,119
do I uh two quick thoughts on it. One is

1136
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:30,559
when they showed that the day after he'd been told

1137
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:33,119
he was let go, he all the different late night

1138
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:39,800
hosts came and sat in his audience. Apparently Colbert is

1139
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:44,280
particularly bad. Okay, and so is Kimmel's pretty bad. But like,

1140
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,119
in general, it does make me feel that Hollywood is

1141
01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:54,159
racist that they chose all these very unfunny white men

1142
01:02:55,039 --> 01:02:57,920
to host their late night shows when there are like

1143
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:04,800
zins of better choices who are black. They are even

1144
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,119
funnier women than we are being subjected to in these

1145
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:10,519
late night shows. How is it that they're all white

1146
01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:12,880
men and so bad at their jobs? Like it feels

1147
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:13,760
a little racist.

1148
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,199
Speaker 3: I'm maybe I'm run.

1149
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: Okay, here's how I get. I don't think Jimmy Kimmel

1150
01:03:19,079 --> 01:03:21,480
is not to me not funny. But also Jon Stewart,

1151
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:25,239
I understand. I used to understand this popularity somewhat in

1152
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,159
the past, but not anymore. He's just unbearable. And then

1153
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,079
John Oliver, like, I can't even watch that show. Jimmy

1154
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:34,960
Fallon to me seems like a nice enough guy, right,

1155
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,400
so you're not feeling like he's When when I was young,

1156
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:39,800
I watched Letterman, I used to watch him on the

1157
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,519
Late Late Show. I love that show. You know, I'd

1158
01:03:41,519 --> 01:03:44,840
watched Johnny Carson's. I never felt excluded. I never felt like, oh,

1159
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,679
here we go again with the with the preaching, so

1160
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:48,440
the other.

1161
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 3: Thing, and this will make me out to be a

1162
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:50,599
fuddy duddy.

1163
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 2: But when Trump first came on the scene, one of

1164
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:59,440
the more effective criticisms of him, I felt was that

1165
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:04,119
he was impolite in how he spoke, that he was

1166
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,199
he was cussing a lot, he was he just he

1167
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:11,400
did not have the dignity that you would want for

1168
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:16,599
the presidential office. And Colbert his whole reason for existence

1169
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,519
is to is to oppose Trump, and that's one thing.

1170
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,559
But he also began with some of those criticisms, and

1171
01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:26,679
by his last show that they were shown, you know

1172
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,519
that everyone was talking about he was literally just saying

1173
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:35,480
F Trump or no, F yourself. He confused about who

1174
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:36,960
was saying yeah, yeah, yeah.

1175
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: Just by the way, is twenty writers and that's the

1176
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,159
best comeback you could do.

1177
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:45,039
Speaker 2: You can come up with us so full of hate

1178
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,760
and it's so you know, it's the anger, but it's

1179
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,400
also just like the inappropriate language that you couldn't show

1180
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:55,239
a chill child and what happened to the like when

1181
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,119
you can't even do your legitimate Trump criticism because you've

1182
01:04:58,159 --> 01:05:02,199
become a gazillion times worse than him on on whatever

1183
01:05:02,239 --> 01:05:04,039
score you're going for.

1184
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Speaker 3: It's just ridiculous.

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01:05:06,519 --> 01:05:10,119
Speaker 1: And there's nothing wrong with making fun of the president, right,

1186
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:12,000
I mean, but you can tell when something is just

1187
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:15,039
angry and mean spirit in when something is funny. And

1188
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:17,840
I'm sure that Johnny Carson made fun of whoever was

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01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,960
president when he came out plenty, right, But there's just

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a difference, And listen, that's all. That's all I was

1191
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:26,719
going to say. Everyone you know talks about censor SHABOLDI

1192
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,599
celebrities came out on that. There would be nothing wrong

1193
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:36,280
actually with CBS firing Stephen Colbert because he's too political.

1194
01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:39,679
That is not that. That's not a political show you

1195
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,920
want it. It's a it's a mass culture I don't

1196
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,840
know that there's much mass culture left anymore, mostly because

1197
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,480
Democrats have to inject politics into everything all the time.

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01:05:47,719 --> 01:05:52,960
But it's a mass culture show. You don't want to

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turn off half your audience. I mean, it's completely legitimate

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01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,039
reason to get rid of someone. There's no nothing that

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01:05:58,039 --> 01:05:59,800
says you have to be anti Trump all the time,

1202
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,400
and it's ridiculous something's supposed to be a political show

1203
01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:04,920
NBC News. We have for that already. I mean, what

1204
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,679
do we need that you know, this show to be

1205
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:07,079
that way.

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01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 3: And then just on that point of all these people.

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01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 2: Saying you can't live in a free country if you

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01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,199
can't attack the president, I agree with that we have

1209
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,519
no shortage like we have. Our problem right now isn't

1210
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:23,280
that we have too few attacks on Trump, but like

1211
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:27,079
too many people just deranged and unable to process information

1212
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:32,079
without their anti Trump hysteria. But also Ace of Spades

1213
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:35,400
had a really great point that is, you know, during

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01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,079
the Clinton or during the Obama administration, you might recall

1215
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:43,679
that the so called comedians openly said that Obama was

1216
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:48,519
impossible to make fun of. The culture was such that

1217
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:52,440
you weren't allowed to make fun of him. Supposed comedy

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01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,119
shows took eight years off from comedy because of it.

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01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:57,599
Speaker 3: You also have I think this.

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Speaker 2: Is when Colbert and John's to where it say that

1221
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:02,880
there's just nothing to do, there's nothing to make fun of.

1222
01:07:03,519 --> 01:07:07,559
Do you remember when a literal rodeo clown was fired

1223
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:13,320
from making fun of Obama at a rodeo, and did

1224
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,360
these people say, gosh, that seems very bad that you're

1225
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,679
not allowed to make fun of the most powerful man

1226
01:07:18,719 --> 01:07:21,639
in the world when it was a rodeo clown. But

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01:07:21,719 --> 01:07:24,880
all of a sudden, after a decade of losing money

1228
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:30,920
and poisoning discourse, finally in a year Colbert is going

1229
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,679
to go. And that's a threat to democracy.

1230
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:42,639
Speaker 1: Oh all right about culture, real culture, not Colbert culture.

1231
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 2: I think you're going to need to carry this part.

1232
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:48,480
I am very busy. I did go to Chicago with

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01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:52,559
my husband to the Issues et Cetera conference, where I

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01:07:52,599 --> 01:07:54,360
talked to a bunch of people who are just I

1235
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,039
love David Hersani, Hi, Molly, I love David Harsani.

1236
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: I never meet these people in the real world. I

1237
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:00,840
don't know.

1238
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,639
Speaker 2: Oh, you should come, you should come next year. It's

1239
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:07,480
it's the best conference. And Scott Jennings from CNN was

1240
01:08:07,519 --> 01:08:11,559
also there, Carl Truman, who's a great uh, a great

1241
01:08:12,119 --> 01:08:16,760
public intellectual. So we went there and I like Chicago.

1242
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:20,079
There's something about Chicago. We were out in Forest Park

1243
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:24,640
at Concordia Chicago, but that's actually in Forest Park and

1244
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,520
in Oak Park, and there is good food there and

1245
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,399
just good, Like the men are really manly and the

1246
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:38,920
women are womanly. You know they even yeah masculine, the

1247
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:39,960
woman womanly.

1248
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're doing they're doing their thing.

1249
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just nice to be in a city like that,

1250
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:48,720
even if it's kind of losing some of its charm.

1251
01:08:49,039 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always kind of liked Chicago. Maybe I'll go

1252
01:08:53,119 --> 01:08:55,439
if I'm invited. At one point, it's funny when my

1253
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,520
sibling was someone when it's getting in touch with me

1254
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,960
and he's like, you can you know, here's his email,

1255
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:03,000
But he's a recluse. I'm like, you called me a recluse?

1256
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:07,239
Am I really a recluse? It seems kind of harsh.

1257
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:09,119
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree.

1258
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:15,159
Speaker 1: Not very social, maybe introverted slightly, but recluse. Well, what

1259
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:18,159
did I do here? I forgot to mention last week

1260
01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:21,479
when we were talking about books, that I'm also reading

1261
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:25,720
a really good book I wanted to recommend. It's a

1262
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,840
Mark Twain biography written by Ron Chernow who wrote the

1263
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,279
Hamilton Biography and the Washington Biography and many others. It's

1264
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:35,520
a door stop or it's quite a book. But he's

1265
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:42,479
just such a uniquely American character and interesting. I watched

1266
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,760
a documentary half of one now I think each half

1267
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,039
is around two and a half hours long. On Billy

1268
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:50,800
Joel on HBO. I'm not a fan.

1269
01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:52,039
Speaker 3: Mark wants to watch that.

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01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a fan of his, but I tend

1271
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,800
to watch all of these and they're really well done.

1272
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,000
I mean, I have to say, HBO does a really

1273
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:01,399
good job. It was a is one and another one.

1274
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,560
It's just that it's just really well done.

1275
01:10:04,119 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, Mark and I were talking about it. I

1276
01:10:06,079 --> 01:10:11,560
find okay. This is this is a surprisingly anger inducing discussion.

1277
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,119
What do you think about Billy Joel in my family

1278
01:10:14,199 --> 01:10:18,680
and friend set? I have family and friends who adure him,

1279
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:23,920
and I find him a bit schmaltzy. Also, Guy Benson

1280
01:10:24,199 --> 01:10:27,880
loves him, like went to his last show at Madison

1281
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:28,880
Square Garden and all that.

1282
01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 3: I think.

1283
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:33,600
Speaker 2: But Mark's point, because he's not a big Billy Joel

1284
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,680
fan either. It is just that objectively speaking, the man

1285
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,439
is an amazing songwriter. Like you might not like the

1286
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,600
end result, but there's no debate that he has mad

1287
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,600
skills and is and also that many people do love

1288
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,479
him and that he's had an interesting life. And so

1289
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,319
that was his case for why we should watch the

1290
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:55,079
documentary when we're done, right, I think.

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01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:58,239
Speaker 1: He makes a good point. I appreciate him much more

1292
01:10:58,359 --> 01:11:02,600
now seeing I sometimes when you watch a documentary, you

1293
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:04,880
know people are in your life, like I grew up

1294
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:06,560
on Long Island. He's from Long Island. He's it's a

1295
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:07,319
big deal there.

1296
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:09,239
Speaker 5: He uh.

1297
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,159
Speaker 1: But a lot of his songs come in and out

1298
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:13,199
of your life, but when you have them in a documentary,

1299
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:15,000
like wow, he wrote that too, and that too, and

1300
01:11:15,039 --> 01:11:17,159
that's like he wrote a lot of songs that are

1301
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:19,600
just I know and are part of my life despite

1302
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:20,520
my best efforts.

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01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 2: One of Mark's points for Billy Joel being a super

1304
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:26,800
impressive person was, of course he married Christy Brinkley.

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01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 1: He did, and his personal life is actually quite interesting.

1306
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,359
In fact, whatever has happened all his songs that we know,

1307
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,600
they're all just things that happen in his life, which

1308
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,239
made me laugh, like he's just literally writing down almost

1309
01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:43,039
exactly what's going on in his life. So like I

1310
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:46,279
even confuse songs like so there's Piano Man, which is

1311
01:11:46,279 --> 01:11:48,039
a very famous song, and there's like scenes from an

1312
01:11:48,079 --> 01:11:50,720
Italian restaurant or something. I thought those were that was

1313
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,680
the same song, because so now I'm like, oh, there

1314
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,239
are two different songs so on. So we haven't even

1315
01:11:55,279 --> 01:11:57,199
gotten to Christy Brinkley yet. And he had a very

1316
01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:03,079
interesting childhood and stuff worth watching if you're interested. I

1317
01:12:03,159 --> 01:12:05,800
just think it's interesting, even if you're not a big,

1318
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,159
a big fan. One other thing I watch, which I

1319
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,319
don't know. It's a guy named Justin Willman. Have you

1320
01:12:12,359 --> 01:12:14,960
heard of him. He's like a magician, used to be

1321
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:18,600
like a street magician, right, But so I don't enjoy

1322
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,920
watching magicians because all I do the whole time is

1323
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,359
think about how it was done and how they're cheating,

1324
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,079
you know, and fooling people. So this is more like

1325
01:12:27,119 --> 01:12:30,079
a it's an on stage like a comedy. He's kind

1326
01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:33,439
of a comedian also, and he talks about that. So

1327
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:36,840
the whole shows about people who actually are are nice

1328
01:12:37,079 --> 01:12:39,760
and normal and sit down and enjoy magic, and then

1329
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,439
the plus ones, which he calls like the cynical people,

1330
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,000
which like I am, And so he plays with that

1331
01:12:46,119 --> 01:12:50,039
a bit. He was mildly entertaining. I think it's on

1332
01:12:50,079 --> 01:12:52,199
Netflix if it's something you want to, you know, if

1333
01:12:52,199 --> 01:12:55,960
that interests you. Guys, So you have nothing or I'm

1334
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,640
so sorry, I no, no, it's okay.

1335
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,079
Speaker 3: I might also add.

1336
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 2: On the Brennan book, which I just there's so many

1337
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,119
of these books that come out from Washington figures, and

1338
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,479
unless there's a reason for me to read it at

1339
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,439
the time that it comes out, I frequently don't.

1340
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 3: But it's just a reminder.

1341
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,520
Speaker 2: This is like my number one reporting tip is just

1342
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,720
read the books of the people. You would not believe

1343
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:20,880
what you learn when you do. And nobody reads books

1344
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:22,800
like they might buy them, but nobody reads them, and

1345
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:27,039
so you get this like secret knowledge that nobody else has,

1346
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,119
and and ideas for how to you know, how to

1347
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:37,119
shape a story too. I just want to say when sorry,

1348
01:13:37,159 --> 01:13:37,640
do you mind.

1349
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,399
Speaker 1: If I no, No, that's what we're here for.

1350
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 2: We talked about how Brennan's top there were top people

1351
01:13:46,079 --> 01:13:48,640
that we're trying to push back against Brennan's effort to

1352
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:53,199
push his key Russia collusion hoax claim. And he says,

1353
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,000
you know, I talked to them, and I learned that

1354
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,239
they didn't actually know what they were talking about. And

1355
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,520
I told him that I wasn't going to change what

1356
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,840
the analysts had written. So he describes like what he did,

1357
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,439
which is overruling them, as if he were upholding the

1358
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:14,159
integrity product, and it's just great to see that written

1359
01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:16,560
down and then you can, you know, use it.

1360
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it's interesting to see what the public

1361
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,159
record is and later learn and then you know, as

1362
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:25,760
a kind of way of proving their liars. I just

1363
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,319
want to quickly say I was going to say that

1364
01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:31,720
in modern times, most political books are just so boring.

1365
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:35,279
They're just garbage, right, Like if candidates write books, they're

1366
01:14:35,359 --> 01:14:38,039
just so bad. And this is why I enjoy reading

1367
01:14:38,079 --> 01:14:40,600
the old ones, which are actually like Henry Kissinger books

1368
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:42,760
are really interesting if you're into that time period and

1369
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,840
stuff like that. But at some point they became like

1370
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:49,159
these self aggrandizing campaign things. You know.

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01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 2: John McCain's speech writer, I forget his name, wrote a

1372
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,960
book for Cassidy. Yeah, Mark Salter, he wrote a book

1373
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,279
for Cassidy Hutchinson under her name. I think that was

1374
01:15:00,279 --> 01:15:01,600
all about how she.

1375
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:03,039
Speaker 4: Was.

1376
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: That was.

1377
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 2: Included a lot of information that I knew personally not

1378
01:15:08,079 --> 01:15:11,279
to be true, including that like it said that I

1379
01:15:11,399 --> 01:15:16,479
had received illegally received classified documents from like a guy

1380
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:19,640
in a trench coat in Georgetown, And that was fun

1381
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,239
to read when you see someone just making up stories

1382
01:15:22,279 --> 01:15:26,319
about you that are completely untrue. And then I asked

1383
01:15:26,319 --> 01:15:26,840
her very.

1384
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,279
Speaker 3: Nicely to correct the air, and she refused.

1385
01:15:31,079 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 1: No, you know something's fake when it's so filmic. I

1386
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,079
think that's a word. And like in movies, spies are

1387
01:15:40,079 --> 01:15:43,720
always meeting, like on the Washington Mall at the mall, like, yeah,

1388
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,000
I'm going to go right next to the FBI building

1389
01:15:46,039 --> 01:15:48,000
to get my spy stuff, like not drive out to

1390
01:15:48,039 --> 01:15:51,079
Silver Springs to a diebar or something. Right, So what

1391
01:15:51,079 --> 01:15:53,960
I'm saying, so when you got that information, I'm sure

1392
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,319
you were in some other place, not Georgetown with the

1393
01:15:56,359 --> 01:15:57,279
guy with the trench code.

1394
01:15:57,319 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 3: He never got some information. So that's the actual you know,

1395
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:00,760
that's sting.

1396
01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 2: Although I did. I have talked with Sean Davis about this.

1397
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:07,079
How funny it would be if they ever wrote about

1398
01:16:07,119 --> 01:16:13,079
our roles on unspooling the Russia collusion hoax, because it's

1399
01:16:13,079 --> 01:16:15,359
not just that we did it, it's that we did

1400
01:16:15,399 --> 01:16:19,079
it while doing a million other things, including being parents

1401
01:16:19,119 --> 01:16:23,039
of young children. Like it would be you know, me

1402
01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:26,560
cooking while figuring out, you know, some next angle of

1403
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,079
the hoax. It's not at all like what you see

1404
01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:29,800
in spy movies.

1405
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:35,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, if people would like to contact us, they can

1406
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,720
do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. Would

1407
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,199
like to get your emails and we will be back

1408
01:16:41,239 --> 01:16:43,560
next week. Until them be Lovers of freedom.

1409
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:49,399
Speaker 3: And thiosu SS plans for some day

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01:16:56,319 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 4: Cont