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Speaker 2: Do you want to report a UFO hanging in? We
Speaker 2: don't want to report every thirty one. Do you wish
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Speaker 3: If it was anybody as above us to pass us,
Speaker 3: like thirty.
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Speaker 4: OFFI the UFO.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, if you passed over,
Speaker 2: I got I don't know what it was.
Speaker 5: But it's from at least to three thousand feet above us.
Speaker 2: See, I passed right over the top of us.
Speaker 6: Ninety one one. You just called both to be be fours.
Speaker 2: They're after staying the airplanes.
Speaker 6: He is to God on an unidentified object every liberty
Speaker 6: or call or calm on an unidentified flying object.
Speaker 4: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share
Speaker 4: their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had
Speaker 4: an encounter, I would like to be on the show.
Speaker 4: You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.
Speaker 5: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 7: How are you all.
Speaker 1: I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast.
Speaker 1: In this episode, we are joined by Jason, a private investigator,
Speaker 1: former Phoenix police officer, and Air Force veteran, and he
Speaker 1: comes to us from the state of Arizona. Jason is
Speaker 1: the creator of the nine one eight Files, a project
Speaker 1: dedicated to chronicling the strange, the unexplained, and the downright
Speaker 1: bizarre happenings across the Grand Canyon State. From UFO science
Speaker 1: to unsolved mysteries. Jason will be sharing his first hand
Speaker 1: insights into Arizona's weird underbelly. This one's dedicated to all
Speaker 1: those who are fought to be crazy. Jason is up.
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Speaker 1: Good evening, Jason, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 7: You are more than welcoming.
Speaker 1: It is great to have you with us tonight. And
Speaker 1: you're calling from the Arizona.
Speaker 2: Yes, the getting warm warmer by the day, state of Arizona.
Speaker 7: Get informer by the day.
Speaker 1: Okay, now, Jason, you have some experiences to share with us,
Speaker 1: But would you like to start by letting the listeners
Speaker 1: know a little bit about yourself?
Speaker 7: Please?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, Well, I was My mom is originally from England.
Speaker 2: So this is why I kind of gravitated towards your show,
Speaker 2: because you know, the English accident has always been kind
Speaker 2: of comforting. But my dad was military, so we grew
Speaker 2: up all I grew up all over the States. We
Speaker 2: lived in England for a little bit. After high school,
Speaker 2: I joined the military, did a little bit of time
Speaker 2: on active duty, and then I left in two thousand
Speaker 2: and five. And then I became a police officer here
Speaker 2: in Arizona. Did that for a little bit, and then
Speaker 2: I got tired of dealing with all the nonsense that
Speaker 2: comes with law enforcement work, so started my own security business.
Speaker 2: And then I also started a private investigation business, which
Speaker 2: has kind of led me to this podcast. So and
Speaker 2: with that the private investigation business, what I've done. Is
Speaker 2: kind of also started a series of books based on
Speaker 2: you know, like, over the years, I've had a couple
Speaker 2: of odd cases that or you know, people have reported
Speaker 2: different odd or odd things to me. So I decided
Speaker 2: to turn some of those stories into stories in a book.
Speaker 2: And then I also read other books that I kind
Speaker 2: of made up, you know, using my own imagination. So
Speaker 2: but yeah, and then so here we are today, so
Speaker 2: great stuff.
Speaker 1: Would you like to stop by sharing some of the
Speaker 1: things you've experienced please, Jason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. So Basically, the way my private investigation business
Speaker 2: works is we primarily focus on you know, like missing persons,
Speaker 2: or we will do like a lot of surveillance work. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have a couple of friends that I work with
Speaker 2: that are retired law enforcement and we kind of team
Speaker 2: up with them. But you know, over the years I've
Speaker 2: had I started getting people that would start requesting our
Speaker 2: services for you know, odd things like hey, do you
Speaker 2: investigate you know, ghosts or you know, lights moving or
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And initially I said, no, I don't
Speaker 2: want to get involved with that. I want to be
Speaker 2: professional and I want to focus on these key things.
Speaker 2: I want to stick to the law enforcement type things.
Speaker 2: But then you know, over the years again, I just
Speaker 2: started I've always been kind of curious about the paranormal
Speaker 2: UFOs and just things outside the box, right cause this,
Speaker 2: like we were talking earlier about, you know, my mom,
Speaker 2: and she was the type of person that kind of
Speaker 2: taught me to always keep an open mind. So when
Speaker 2: these a couple of them kind of caught my interest
Speaker 2: in regards to things that they were reporting. And one
Speaker 2: of them was there was a lady here in the
Speaker 2: Phoenix area. She had called me and said, you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of do a brief interview with them to
Speaker 2: see what's going on. But she seemed, I don't want
Speaker 2: to say normal, but she came across as very like,
Speaker 2: you know, like a nice, normal lady, Like there's nothing,
Speaker 2: there's no mental health issues. It didn't seem like that.
Speaker 2: It was just like a legitimate issue that she was
Speaker 2: trying to figure out. So basically what she was reporting
Speaker 2: was is that she was saying that there was things
Speaker 2: that were she lived alone by herself. She had no pets,
Speaker 2: no nothing, and she had a standalone, single home. So
Speaker 2: she was saying that stuff was being moved in her house.
Speaker 2: And then every now and then she would come home
Speaker 2: to lights being turned on, or she would wake up
Speaker 2: and then she'd go downstairs and like the living room
Speaker 2: light would be on. So I went to her house
Speaker 2: kind of did an assessment during the daytime. We didn't
Speaker 2: find anything weird. You know, I'm not an electrician or
Speaker 2: anything like that, but we kind of checked, you know,
Speaker 2: the power outlets and you know, different things, and you know,
Speaker 2: there's nothing. Came back about a week later at night.
Speaker 2: This time we were there around I think it was
Speaker 2: like seven o'clock, eight o'clock, and I had a little
Speaker 2: device it kind of measures for like electro magnetic stuff.
Speaker 2: And I remember I was walking up the stairs and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna before I say anything else, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 2: you that I'm not a paranormal investigator. Like I don't.
Speaker 2: The stuff creeped me out. I was doing this to
Speaker 2: kind of help the lady, To hopefully help the lady,
Speaker 2: you know, say hey, look there's nothing here to kind
Speaker 2: of ease your mind. But anyway, so I start walking
Speaker 2: up the stairs and I get halfway up the stairs
Speaker 2: and I kid you not the light switch. It's one
Speaker 2: of those toggle switches where you kind of it's flat,
Speaker 2: but it kind of you can push it down and
Speaker 2: it moves and it makes a click sound. I'm halfway
Speaker 2: up the stairs and then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 2: hear a click and then yep, sure enough, the light
Speaker 2: switch had literally like clicked down on his own. And
Speaker 2: I was like, yep, I'm out. I terminated the investigation
Speaker 2: right there, and I said, man, yes, you have some
Speaker 2: issues going on in your home. I don't know what
Speaker 2: just happened there, but you need to contact someone that
Speaker 2: deals with this stuff directly. So then I got some
Speaker 2: slack forward on social media because you know, people were
Speaker 2: kind of like, weren't you they're investigating, and I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was there investigating it. But I investigated and I said, yep,
Speaker 2: there's some some weirdness going on. So but yeah, that
Speaker 2: was an interesting one because that was the first one
Speaker 2: to kind of pique my interest more in this type
Speaker 2: of stuff. But yeah, it was. It was interesting, to
Speaker 2: say the least. And then the second one that we
Speaker 2: had it was about a This one was about six
Speaker 2: months later. We had a a gentleman call us and
Speaker 2: he just moved into the home and he said that
Speaker 2: he hears tapping so in the in the attics in
Speaker 2: the area where I live. It's kind of like the
Speaker 2: only thing that's up because it's too hot. You can't
Speaker 2: have stuff in these atticts up here. It's basically the
Speaker 2: He had the furnace up in his attic and that
Speaker 2: was it. So and he had this little square cut out,
Speaker 2: you know, entry into the attic and it was like
Speaker 2: just a little piece of you know, piece of wood.
Speaker 2: So he said that, you know, he would every night,
Speaker 2: during random or actually during the day and the night,
Speaker 2: he was here tapping coming from his ceiling. He couldn't
Speaker 2: figure it out, didn't know what it was. And it
Speaker 2: would be at random times, two o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 2: three in the afternoon, you know whatever. So we went
Speaker 2: over to his house because you know, this sounded interesting
Speaker 2: to me. I was like, okay, I'll go check it out.
Speaker 2: Because again the individual sounded like a normal, level headed
Speaker 2: guy and he was just trying to figure stuff out.
Speaker 2: So we go over there. We went over there, I
Speaker 2: think two or three times at different times during you know,
Speaker 2: at night, during the day, whatever, and one time. Two
Speaker 2: of the times we didn't hear anything. We didn't hear
Speaker 2: any tapping or anything. And I was like, okay, this
Speaker 2: this guy's probably just hearing stuff and you know, I'm
Speaker 2: not hearing it, so but I think it was the
Speaker 2: second or third time we went there. We were checking out.
Speaker 2: We were actually in the it's like a big, huge
Speaker 2: walking closet is where the attic entry way is, and
Speaker 2: we're in there, and then you start hearing the you know,
Speaker 2: it was kind of like I don't know if you
Speaker 2: can hear the tapping sound, but it was. It was
Speaker 2: kind of like that where it sounded like someone was
Speaker 2: tapping inside the attic, you know, like a human was tapping.
Speaker 2: And I was like, man, that is some not normal stuff.
Speaker 2: So we went up into the attic. I checked around,
Speaker 2: look for you know, the basics, you know, like rodents,
Speaker 2: this and that and the other. He called a friend
Speaker 2: of his that is in construction that deals with you know,
Speaker 2: home and stuff like that. Maybe there was a draft,
Speaker 2: maybe there was wind that was moving something. But we
Speaker 2: found nothing after that that could explain the tapping. But
Speaker 2: it was just incredibly creepy because, like I said, it
Speaker 2: was you know, there's nothing. We set up cameras up
Speaker 2: in the attic as well during different times, and we
Speaker 2: saw nothing, no movement. There is absolutely nothing that was
Speaker 2: explaining in this noise. But you know, we we caught
Speaker 2: it on when we were in the in the closet,
Speaker 2: We caught we recorded it, and it was just it
Speaker 2: was just one of those weird things where again we
Speaker 2: couldn't I had no idea what it was though. And
Speaker 2: then the third thing that kind of was me personally
Speaker 2: that I kind of experienced it myself and it kind
Speaker 2: of fits with the the UFO aspects of your show,
Speaker 2: and this one was kind of weird and it kind
Speaker 2: of Arizona. I don't know if you know or not,
Speaker 2: but Arizona has a lot of UFO UAP type activity,
Speaker 2: I think if I don't know if you're familiar with
Speaker 2: the National UFO Reporting Center, but since their inception, I
Speaker 2: think they've had something like over five thousand sightings of
Speaker 2: unidentified like objects in the air, and just in Arizona,
Speaker 2: and there's been like nineteen twenty something like that already
Speaker 2: this year alone all over the state. So but anyway,
Speaker 2: so I think it was a Christmas Day or Christmas Eve,
Speaker 2: I can't remember. I was outside and I was walking
Speaker 2: with my wife and her younger brother. He was like
Speaker 2: fifteen or sixteen at the time, but we're outside, is nighttime,
Speaker 2: we're walking, walking my dog, and this kind of fits
Speaker 2: into the line of you know, people are always you know,
Speaker 2: when people report seeing unidentified objects in the sky, they
Speaker 2: were like, well, why didn't you take your phone out?
Speaker 2: Why didn't you record it? You know, they're always getting
Speaker 2: slacked for that. None of us had our phones because
Speaker 2: we were just walking the dog, you know, two hundred
Speaker 2: and three hundred feet in front of our house. You know,
Speaker 2: we were out the funds not attached to our head.
Speaker 2: So we're out walking the dog. Up in the sky
Speaker 2: to the south. I don't know if you're familiar, but
Speaker 2: so I'm prior military and I've done a lot of
Speaker 2: work around, like you know, I've deployed. I've done a
Speaker 2: lot of work around, like black hawks, helicopters and whatnot.
Speaker 2: To the south, I see three lights that are flying
Speaker 2: in Unison going eastbound, and they taught my attention. So
Speaker 2: in our area where we live, there's always black hawks
Speaker 2: in the sky. They're always doing a lot of training
Speaker 2: because there's military facilities in our area and they're always
Speaker 2: in the sky. So it's nothing new. But what caught
Speaker 2: me on this incident, though, is the color of the
Speaker 2: lights that were orange, like a very dark orange, which
Speaker 2: I've never seen before ever. And I've been in the
Speaker 2: military active duty reserves for like over twenty six years.
Speaker 2: I've never seen helicopters with orange lights. So anyway, I
Speaker 2: see three lights going at the altitude of blackhawks, going
Speaker 2: at the speed of what black hawks normally go at,
Speaker 2: and then they're traveling. They're going eastbound, and then the
Speaker 2: first the lead vehicle, the lead light, disappears. The second
Speaker 2: one gets to that same spot, like ten seconds later
Speaker 2: it disappears, and then the third one gets to that
Speaker 2: spot and then disappears. So I look at my wife
Speaker 2: and I'm like, did you see that? And she said, no,
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. And then her brother,
Speaker 2: though I said, I looked at him and he looked
Speaker 2: at me like he knew what I was going to
Speaker 2: ask him, and he was like, yeah, what was that?
Speaker 2: And I said, I don't know, dude. So then I
Speaker 2: kid you not. Maybe about fifteen seconds later we look
Speaker 2: over to east. Now, so about ninety degrees to the east,
Speaker 2: the lights reappear. So the distance that they traveled in
Speaker 2: that amount of time, there's no way that they could
Speaker 2: have been going that fast. So they reappear out of
Speaker 2: nowhere and they're in the sky doing the same speed
Speaker 2: fly unison, and then they get to a certain spot
Speaker 2: in the sky and the first one it kind of
Speaker 2: like this time, it just didn't disappear. Did the old
Speaker 2: you know growing up watching Star Wars were kind of
Speaker 2: like that or Star Trek, that warp speed thing. It
Speaker 2: just kind of like went really small, really fast, and
Speaker 2: it just disappeared. Second one did the same thing, third
Speaker 2: one did the same thing and then gone. So what
Speaker 2: was weird is that there's no like I said, there's
Speaker 2: no sound. I've never seen a color like that for
Speaker 2: an aircraft. Nothing. So a little while later I talked
Speaker 2: to some individuals from MUFON and they do a lot
Speaker 2: of investigation for UFOs and ups went on and I
Speaker 2: was explaining them what I'd seen and they kind of
Speaker 2: told me that, nah, it's probably just flares. And it's
Speaker 2: frustrating because it was like they were not flares, And
Speaker 2: like I said, I've been in the military for long
Speaker 2: enough to know what flares look like, and it was
Speaker 2: just kind of like that was not that. So, but
Speaker 2: that's that's kind of the gist of some of the
Speaker 2: things that I experienced over the years, and it kind
Speaker 2: of goes along with my mentality though of why when
Speaker 2: people report stuff to me, I don't blow them off
Speaker 2: because it's kind of like So in the books that
Speaker 2: that I wrote, the very beginning of every book I
Speaker 2: dedicated I'll back up a little bit. So the books
Speaker 2: are called the ninety eighteen Files, and ninet eighteen comes
Speaker 2: from when I was a police officer. The radio code
Speaker 2: for mental health pickup was nine eighteen, So if you
Speaker 2: were going to go do you get dispatched to it,
Speaker 2: you know, a ninet eighteen call that was to go
Speaker 2: pick up someone that was having some sort of mental
Speaker 2: health issue. So the reason why we came up with
Speaker 2: I called it the ninetyeen Files is because you would
Speaker 2: be talking to someone on the street. We kind of
Speaker 2: used the code ninet eighteen as a way to, like,
Speaker 2: if you're dealing with a suspect or you know, someone
Speaker 2: citizen or whatever that that had some sort of mental
Speaker 2: health issue, you could say, hey, you know there, you
Speaker 2: could use ninety teen in a coded way to let
Speaker 2: other officers know that you're dealing with someone that's that's
Speaker 2: not gonna respond in the same way that, you know,
Speaker 2: a person without mental health issues is going to respond.
Speaker 2: But anyway, the reason why I came up with the
Speaker 2: nine eighteen files is because and we dedicated the beginning
Speaker 2: of the book to it says dedicated to those thought
Speaker 2: to be crazy. And I did that because there are
Speaker 2: times when you're going to report things like paranormal or
Speaker 2: you're going to report seeing UFO, or you're going to
Speaker 2: report some sort of experience that is totally unusual and odd,
Speaker 2: and when you tell people what you experience, they're going
Speaker 2: to think you're crazy. So the beginning of the book,
Speaker 2: the reason why I dedicated to those thought to be
Speaker 2: crazy is to kind of remind people that, you know,
Speaker 2: if someone is reporting something to you, you know, it's
Speaker 2: just kind of like the kild be telling the truth
Speaker 2: and just kind of take it for what it is,
Speaker 2: so kind of give them the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 2: and kind of listen.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, and that makes complete sense. You know, I've
Speaker 1: said this on the show a few times where one
Speaker 1: of the most frequent subject titles I get is You're
Speaker 1: going to think I'm crazy. And even sometimes in people's audio,
Speaker 1: you know, when they're sharing their account, that's that you know,
Speaker 1: they keep doubling back and say, yeah, this is this
Speaker 1: is going to sound crazy, this is going to sound crazy.
Speaker 1: But you know, normal people have these experiences, as you've
Speaker 1: found out now, Jason.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's the thing too, So the cop and me,
Speaker 2: it's like when you go to a scene and you
Speaker 2: see fifteen people all talking, it's no, that's a tainted
Speaker 2: witness bol right, because you could have one witness in
Speaker 2: a group of thirty is now thirty witnesses because everyone
Speaker 2: wants to be a part of what's going on. So
Speaker 2: what I like to do when it comes to certain incidents,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure you're familiar with like the phoenix lice
Speaker 2: for instance, right, I think it was back in ninety seven,
Speaker 2: late nineties. The reason why the validity of that incident
Speaker 2: is the fact that you have witnesses different parts of
Speaker 2: the state, different parts of different states. Because as these
Speaker 2: lights traveled, they're all reporting the same thing. But these
Speaker 2: are people that are disconnected from each other, so they're
Speaker 2: not talking, but they're reporting the same thing where they
Speaker 2: reporting seeing the same stuff. So and it's also kind
Speaker 2: of like the we can talk too, Like one of
Speaker 2: the bigger things that happened here in Arizona. Was do
Speaker 2: you remember the movie Fire in the Sky? I sure do, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So what's kind of funny is we went I totally forgot.
Speaker 2: I knew about the movie, but I didn't know where
Speaker 2: it was filmed that in Arizona. So we were up
Speaker 2: in Hebrew where that whole incident took place, and we
Speaker 2: were going camping, of all places, and my wife picked
Speaker 2: this spot by the way, So we're going camping and
Speaker 2: we get up there and there's this wood shop. This
Speaker 2: guy does all these wood carvings and whatnot and whatever,
Speaker 2: and I noticed a lot of the alien He had
Speaker 2: a lot of alien figures that he's got all over
Speaker 2: the place, and I was like, what is going on
Speaker 2: with these aliens? So then I asked him, I said, Hey,
Speaker 2: why do you have all these alien figures in this
Speaker 2: wood shop? And he's like, oh, you never heard of
Speaker 2: Fired in the Sky. And I was like, it's like,
Speaker 2: you kidding me? That was here and the guy was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was, you didn't know. And he's like, what are
Speaker 2: you What are you doing up here? And I said,
Speaker 2: we're camping, and he kind of just gave me this
Speaker 2: weird look, and I was like that's great. Well let's
Speaker 2: let's just sat and sleep very well for the for
Speaker 2: the two nights that we were there. So but the
Speaker 2: cool thing about that story, that incident, again going back
Speaker 2: to the cop part of me, is those individuals again,
Speaker 2: they everyone said they were crazy. They they thought they
Speaker 2: were up to no good and thought they're plotting, planning, doing,
Speaker 2: coming up with some sort of you know whatever. But
Speaker 2: all of those individuals, I think they all passed polygraphs
Speaker 2: multiple times. So yeah, it's just one of those since,
Speaker 2: like I said, Arizona has had so many different unusual
Speaker 2: incidents over the years, so it's a state that's that's
Speaker 2: just ripe with unusual activity. And we border New Mexico,
Speaker 2: which is home to the famous the Roswell incident.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I must have been. I do get a
Speaker 1: lot of guests from those regions, and I did have
Speaker 1: Mike Rogers. I had him as a guest so several
Speaker 1: years ago. Now, of course he was brother in law
Speaker 1: of Travis Waltin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's a I've been trying to I would
Speaker 2: love to talk to him because he'd be an interesting interview.
Speaker 1: So he's an interesting guy.
Speaker 2: And then we also had a forgetting the name of
Speaker 2: there was an incident over in the UK at one
Speaker 2: of the one of the military bases during the eighties.
Speaker 2: I'm sure familiar with the lights that were off the
Speaker 2: installation out in the forest Renders from forest, Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the one of the guys from that incident, he lives
Speaker 2: down here. I think he lives down somewhere in southern Arizona.
Speaker 2: But he's another one that would be kind of interesting
Speaker 2: to talk to. And it goes back to the thing
Speaker 2: of you know, when they were reporting stuff, it was
Speaker 2: kind of like, oh, you're you're crazy and again because
Speaker 2: you know, you're reporting things that you know, but we
Speaker 2: live in a world where it wasn't you know back
Speaker 2: in the day if you if you said the world
Speaker 2: was round and not flat, you know, you were called crazy.
Speaker 1: So but indeed, yeah, you work all crazy private investigations. Now,
Speaker 1: initially you were just doing i say, rather than mill
Speaker 1: You're just doing tating adulterers and missing persons and serving
Speaker 1: papers that type of thing. So you didn't really set
Speaker 1: out to get involved in the more more power normal
Speaker 1: side of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when I first started out, it was basically
Speaker 2: just to I was trying to get into the professional
Speaker 2: lane of cop work, but from a civilian standpoint, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So it's just kind of like
Speaker 2: doing the missing persons, doing the surveillance work and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. I didn't set out to be, and even
Speaker 2: even now not necessarily like investigators for paranormal because, like
Speaker 2: I said, with that lady with the light switch, you know,
Speaker 2: we went out there and as soon as that light switched,
Speaker 2: I was like, no, this is not me. I can't.
Speaker 2: I was like, we documented it, and we turned the
Speaker 2: information over to her and we said, hey, you can
Speaker 2: you can take this video because we were recording it
Speaker 2: as we were going up, and I was like, you
Speaker 2: can take this and you can contact several different paranormal
Speaker 2: investigators and see what they can do for you. But
Speaker 2: you know, I don't have the resources or the expertise
Speaker 2: to do that type of stuff. But it does interest
Speaker 2: me though, because, like we were talking before, you know,
Speaker 2: my mom originally from England, from Northampton, and actually the
Speaker 2: main character in the book, the Private Investigator is he
Speaker 2: is basically it's Charles Bullum, which is my great grandfather
Speaker 2: who was from Northampton. So it's kind of I tied
Speaker 2: it all back to England because you know, it's my
Speaker 2: homeboy from home. But my mom is the one that
Speaker 2: kind of like, like I said, she passed away a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and but before that she had
Speaker 2: always taught me to kind of keep an open mind
Speaker 2: about stuff, you know, she was She's the type of
Speaker 2: person that sometimes you have to reel her in. You're
Speaker 2: kind of like, I don't want to call people crazy,
Speaker 2: but sometimes I'll be Mom, you're kind of you're skirting
Speaker 2: the realm, you're skirting the the weirdness levels here. But
Speaker 2: God bless her. She was the type that would be like,
Speaker 2: you know, unless someone can tell you, give you definitive
Speaker 2: proof that this is what something is, She's like, keep
Speaker 2: an open mind about it. So if someone tells you
Speaker 2: that that pen that you're holding is blue, if it
Speaker 2: is blue, then you know, sure it's blue. But if
Speaker 2: there is no facts or something that can definitively prove
Speaker 2: that something is something, you know, keep them open open
Speaker 2: mind about you know, what's going on. So, but it's
Speaker 2: kind of like when you talk about UFOs and UAPs
Speaker 2: and ghosts, and you know, I've had conversations over the
Speaker 2: years of people where you know, they'll say oh, don't exist,
Speaker 2: and you'd be like, well, how do you know that
Speaker 2: they don't exist? Like, show me proof that they don't exist,
Speaker 2: because I have thousands of people that are experiencing things
Speaker 2: that would say otherwise.
Speaker 1: So so your mother, really she she fought outside the box,
Speaker 1: but she was also.
Speaker 2: Grinded grounded as a I would say loosely grounded. So
Speaker 2: she was still grounded, but she was kind of like,
Speaker 2: like I said, if if you were to, because she
Speaker 2: she was always watching ancient aliens and there's you know,
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that's on there. The majority of
Speaker 2: it is kind of like eye opening where you're just
Speaker 2: kind of like, that's interesting. But you know, she was
Speaker 2: we would be talking about the moon, and the moon
Speaker 2: is kind of what reminds me of her now because
Speaker 2: that was one of the last episodes that we talked about.
Speaker 2: You know, so whenever I looked at the moon, I
Speaker 2: always kind of think of my mom. But when she
Speaker 2: would talk about how the the moon, she would say, no,
Speaker 2: the Moon's a satellite. It's yeah, I think it's fake.
Speaker 2: She's like that was that was put there. And that's
Speaker 2: a perfect example of what I'm talking about, because you
Speaker 2: will have people that will say, no, the moon is
Speaker 2: a natural object in space and it just naturally occurred there.
Speaker 2: But then there's other people that'll be like, well, explain.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever watched the episode where
Speaker 2: they talk about how they landed something on the moon,
Speaker 2: or they crashed one of the something back down to
Speaker 2: the Moon and when it hit it kind of echoed
Speaker 2: and it was not normal, or you know, they talk
Speaker 2: about how it's too weird of a coincidence, how the Sun,
Speaker 2: the Moon, and the Earth all kind of line up
Speaker 2: and they can block each other out and it's just
Speaker 2: kind of weird stuff. But yeah, my mom was like definitely,
Speaker 2: she had a big influence on me, and it was
Speaker 2: kind of you know, there arecs, like I said, having
Speaker 2: worked the streets of Phoenix, and there's a lot of
Speaker 2: mental on this out in the world, and I'm sure
Speaker 2: you've probably had your fair share of interacting with people
Speaker 2: that have legitimate mental health issues. You know. I've gone
Speaker 2: to calls where a lady had put tinfoil all over
Speaker 2: her walls. She had it on the ceiling, on the walls,
Speaker 2: and she was she swore to us up and down
Speaker 2: that the FBI was out together, and you know this
Speaker 2: type of stuff, and I felt horrible for her because
Speaker 2: she had genuine mental health issues. But there are also
Speaker 2: people out there that are legitimately reporting things and seeing
Speaker 2: things and experiencing things that are real, and there sometimes
Speaker 2: their cast is crazy because of the stuff that they're reporting,
Speaker 2: and it's a shame because you know, there needs to
Speaker 2: be more research and openness about the stuff that goes
Speaker 2: on because the world is a very, very very weird place,
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of things that can't be explained,
Speaker 2: and you know, to shut people down and just to
Speaker 2: say Nope, that's not normal, that's that's not it can't happen,
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's a shame. And my mom she
Speaker 2: taught me otherwise.
Speaker 1: So yeah, of course, I mean the mental health side
Speaker 1: of it, I mean, yeah, that's a given. It is
Speaker 1: pretty much widespread. But yeah, you certainly have to go
Speaker 1: in with an open mind. Normally people do reprove some
Speaker 1: very strange things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a touchy issue because mental health is
Speaker 2: kind of an odd thing. But it's kind of I
Speaker 2: did the police work for eleven years and you kind
Speaker 2: of get to identifying. It's kind of like if I
Speaker 2: go back to when I was active duty. I remember
Speaker 2: I was working in one of the front entry control
Speaker 2: areas for the base and the lady had walked up
Speaker 2: from the outside community, walked up to the base and
Speaker 2: she was reporting stuff. I think she was trying to
Speaker 2: say she was a spy or she was an informant
Speaker 2: for Russia or something like that. And I believe her
Speaker 2: because I had never really interacted with anyone, you know,
Speaker 2: with a legitimate mental health issue. And then we called
Speaker 2: the local police department and they showed up and they
Speaker 2: were familiar with her, and they were like, no, she
Speaker 2: doesn't know she's talking about you know, she's got issues X,
Speaker 2: Y and Z, And it kind of like I was like, oh, man, well,
Speaker 2: I really believed her. So fast forward now, after having
Speaker 2: all that time with you know, with Phoenix and we
Speaker 2: have we have a lot of people in Phoenix that
Speaker 2: have mental health issues, you kind of learn to identify
Speaker 2: different things. But you know, like I said, there's been
Speaker 2: a couple of times where when I've talked to people
Speaker 2: and they're reporting things, I kind of look for cues,
Speaker 2: like trying to look for certain things to kind of
Speaker 2: to see if there's that mental health issue. But there's
Speaker 2: been a handful of people that have are legitimate, normal
Speaker 2: saying they come across as someone that that I don't
Speaker 2: see anything wrong or just there's no there's nothing going
Speaker 2: on other than you know, they're just your average person,
Speaker 2: but they're reporting something and you can tell there's stress
Speaker 2: from it because the whatever they experienced was troublesome. But
Speaker 2: then they got to turn around and try to tell
Speaker 2: people what they experience, and you know, they don't, you know,
Speaker 2: then they get hit with the you know, you're crazy
Speaker 2: or you're you know what did you what? That's those
Speaker 2: aren't real that type of stuff. But yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: like I said, it's unfortunate, But there are plenty of
Speaker 2: people out there though, like like you and myself, and
Speaker 2: there's thousands of millions of other people though they have
Speaker 2: open minds about different things. But not to go too
Speaker 2: off topic, but it's kind of like the stuff that
Speaker 2: you're seeing over that gets reported on Mars right when
Speaker 2: you because we actually we were talking about this, that's
Speaker 2: probably about three or four months ago. I was talking
Speaker 2: with a girl I worked with and they were talking
Speaker 2: about some of the structures that they were seeing on
Speaker 2: the planet, and she was saying that's not true. That
Speaker 2: can't happen because humans are only on Earth and that's it.
Speaker 2: And I said, well, that's kind of the evidence that
Speaker 2: they got there. Like some of those struggles, some of
Speaker 2: the stuff that they're that they're showing is kind of
Speaker 2: you know, it's not normal, it's not it's not nature.
Speaker 2: And but she immediately shut it down, is saying, hey,
Speaker 2: that's not you know, they can't be because humans have
Speaker 2: never been there, and it's just kind of like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: but it's just a shame that you have that type
Speaker 2: of mentality.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you get that, right, Anything where there's more
Speaker 1: questions and answers should always be into, you know, definitely.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Jason, you know you served with the Police
Speaker 1: Department for quite a while. You're a veteran of the
Speaker 1: US Air Force, and thank you for your servicer in
Speaker 1: both the police force and on the military.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I kind of give a little shout out
Speaker 2: to my to my brother John as well as I mean,
Speaker 2: he served forty years in the in the Royal Army.
Speaker 2: So and I kind of tease him a little bit
Speaker 2: sometimes because I kind of tell me he's JB. But
Speaker 2: but yeah, he did. He did forty years. My dad
Speaker 2: did twenty years. I did twenty six. I lose count sometimes,
Speaker 2: but you know, it's just it's kind of like I'd
Speaker 2: like to think of myself as a credible person, you know,
Speaker 2: when I when I see stuff, it's kind of like
Speaker 2: I said, with with those lights that I was seeing,
Speaker 2: it was it was one of those things where it's like,
Speaker 2: for the first time in my life, you know, I'd
Speaker 2: seen something that was kind of like extremely odd and
Speaker 2: I could not explain it. It was different. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean even you know, it's kind of like when
Speaker 2: I talk to people though, is you can still be
Speaker 2: a credible person and be a gas station attendant. It's
Speaker 2: just being human and just kind of like it's the
Speaker 2: way that you report things is what I look for.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I couldn't agree more. When you look at
Speaker 1: the guests I've had on I mean we've been running
Speaker 1: for I think nearly seven years now. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you look at the guests we've had on over the years,
Speaker 1: they are such a broad spectrum of people in all
Speaker 1: different occupations. You know, I've had police, officers, fire and
Speaker 1: a lot of military on here. You know, gas station attendant, waitresses, waiters,
Speaker 1: you name it, I've had it on it. And that now,
Speaker 1: they don't always share what their profession is for auther's reasons.
Speaker 1: If it may conflict with their job in any way,
Speaker 1: you know, which is fine. If it's not really about
Speaker 1: their experience, then you know, that's fine. But we get
Speaker 1: such a broad spectrum of people on here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then that's the thing too, because like I said,
Speaker 2: there there is an incident. I think it was in Michigan.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the exact dates. You're probably familiar with it,
Speaker 2: but there was an incident where the guy was working
Speaker 2: I think he was a meteorologist and he was seeing
Speaker 2: stuff on radar over Lake, Michigan. That's an interesting situation
Speaker 2: as well, because you had anyone and everyone that was
Speaker 2: reporting the weird unusual objects in the sky and the
Speaker 2: lights and they were talking about kids, a police officer,
Speaker 2: a meteorologist, just all over the place. But it's just
Speaker 2: kind of like I wish hopefully some of the people
Speaker 2: listening to this, to this podcast can kind of you know,
Speaker 2: know that, like I said, you don't need to be
Speaker 2: a thirty year veteran or a former cop or you
Speaker 2: know whatever to be a credible person, a credible witness.
Speaker 2: You just need to you know, just kind of just
Speaker 2: be honest and open and normal about how when you
Speaker 2: talk to people about what you've seen.
Speaker 1: So oh indeed, yeah, if you're refering to the UFO
Speaker 1: flapp it and nothing ninety four ninety five, right, Michigan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the those are the incidents. Like, there's
Speaker 2: so many different incidents that have happened over the years.
Speaker 2: People were reporting stuff were but it's like the interest
Speaker 2: the incidents that intrigue me the most are the ones
Speaker 2: that have the key aspects of that. I always try
Speaker 2: to look for of witnesses that are that are separated
Speaker 2: and have no contact with each other and they're reporting
Speaker 2: the same thing, you know, Like I said, go back
Speaker 2: to the Phoenix lights, you had people that were because
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, it was you had witnesses that
Speaker 2: were coming from like the Vada, you know, and then
Speaker 2: northern Arizona and then the Phoenix and these people did
Speaker 2: not talk. It was not the world that we live
Speaker 2: in now where I can see something in Arizona and
Speaker 2: within two seconds people in England are no, They're going
Speaker 2: to know about it. So you know, it was in
Speaker 2: It was in a world where people had no communication
Speaker 2: with each other at all, but they were reporting the
Speaker 2: exact same thing. Those things, those types of incidents absolutely
Speaker 2: intrigue me the most, and it is just mind blowing
Speaker 2: and it's a headache when people discredit incidents like that
Speaker 2: and say no, it's nothing, and you're just kind of like, okay,
Speaker 2: you can, you can think that, but you have X,
Speaker 2: Y and Z saying otherwise.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it goes back to what you were
Speaker 1: saying earlier about turning up on a crime scene and
Speaker 1: there's a big group of people or conversed with themselves,
Speaker 1: and all it takes is for one person to say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the assailant had a green hat, and then someone will
Speaker 1: say did he Oh, okay, yeah he had a green hat,
Speaker 1: and then before you.
Speaker 2: Know it, it's a tainted witness pool. But it's it's like,
Speaker 2: but if you can get a situation where you have
Speaker 2: multiple people saying the same thing but they didn't talk
Speaker 2: to each other, and it's I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: just I don't want to get too off topic, but
Speaker 2: that's that's one of the things where when you talk
Speaker 2: about Bigfoot and Yetti and Arizona, we have the muggy
Speaker 2: on monster. But that topic is another one where or
Speaker 2: you have geographically separated cultures that have the same stories
Speaker 2: that go back thousands of years. People in Asia and
Speaker 2: North America and you know, different parts all over the
Speaker 2: globe that never talk to each other, but they're reporting
Speaker 2: they have similar stories about that thing. And that's what
Speaker 2: that's what I'm talking about. So it's just kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, when people say, oh, Bigfoot's not real, you
Speaker 2: can be like, okay, well, explain to me, why you
Speaker 2: have people that are geographically separated and have stories that
Speaker 2: go back thousands of years describing this thing and they're
Speaker 2: all pretty similar. It's like, explain that so and people can't.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, It's a bit like how can they're building
Speaker 1: pyramids all over the world, you know, and all the
Speaker 1: all these different continents all went for the pyramid structures.
Speaker 2: We were actually just talking about that two days ago.
Speaker 2: We were at work and we were kind of talking
Speaker 2: about there's that new that new story that came out
Speaker 2: saying how they believe there's pillars now onto these pyramids
Speaker 2: and you know, because originally that they thought that they
Speaker 2: were like tombs or you know, hey, they're just probably
Speaker 2: just burial whatever. But yeah, we were talking about that
Speaker 2: exact thing where the pyramids and all over the world
Speaker 2: are built in very the same in very similar fashion.
Speaker 2: So I get it. We're all human, right, The all
Speaker 2: human brain kind of works in similar ways. So you know,
Speaker 2: if you separate humans, you're probably gonna, like if you
Speaker 2: separate tigers, they're probably going to act in the same
Speaker 2: way in a different area, you know, just like humans would.
Speaker 2: But you know, pyramids are another thing where you know
Speaker 2: you're building those pyramids that they built are perfectly built there.
Speaker 2: I think they're like what off by like a seimeter
Speaker 2: or something like that, and it's the technology to do that.
Speaker 2: It's amazing to me how the pyramids are. You know,
Speaker 2: they had the manual labor to build them back in
Speaker 2: the day, right, that's not the issue. The issue to
Speaker 2: me and what intrigues me about the pyramids is the
Speaker 2: fact that the precision that they were built, Like how
Speaker 2: do they do that such a large, massive structure to
Speaker 2: build them as precisely as they did, Because it's like
Speaker 2: if you tried to do that today, that would be
Speaker 2: an extremely hard feat even with today's technology.
Speaker 1: Ah, history, there's so many questions left unanswered to our history.
Speaker 1: I think there was such a bulk of information that's missing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I mean you could you go all over
Speaker 2: the globe and find different things, like even in the
Speaker 2: UK was Stonehenge, you know, I mean those rocks that
Speaker 2: were they were brought in from like such a far distance.
Speaker 2: And it's I think when you talk about like what's
Speaker 2: the afterlife or whatever, like what happens when you pass away?
Speaker 2: One thing always thought about it's like they better explode,
Speaker 2: Like if there is a heaven. They better be able
Speaker 2: to sit down. The first thing I want to do
Speaker 2: when I get there is I'm gonna say, hey, I
Speaker 2: want to know. I want to know what happened, Like,
Speaker 2: explain the pyramids to me, please, Like, explain this to me.
Speaker 2: Explain that to me. I'm gonna be asking a lot
Speaker 2: of questions. So and I know my Mom's going to
Speaker 2: be there and be like, hey, you'll never believe.
Speaker 1: It's a bit like there's a there's a temple over
Speaker 1: in Cambodia and as a stone convent on one of
Speaker 1: the wolves and it's a it's a dinosaur. Did you
Speaker 1: ever hear of this?
Speaker 2: No? That, but Google as soon as I hang up
Speaker 2: the phone with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this temple was built I think in the
Speaker 1: twelfth century.
Speaker 2: I believe that's that's weird.
Speaker 7: It's very weird.
Speaker 1: How did they know about dinosaurs?
Speaker 2: Then? Yeah, because someone said once they were talking about
Speaker 2: George Washington and they said that he never even knew
Speaker 2: what a dinosaur was and he kind of which kind
Speaker 2: of is kind of the interesting thing to think about.
Speaker 2: But when you talk about that's another thing too, When
Speaker 2: you talk about like the stuff that early humans were drawing,
Speaker 2: you take what they draw and then you compare it
Speaker 2: to technology that you see today. You know, a lot
Speaker 2: of that stuff is And before I say anything else, like,
Speaker 2: I believe in God and Heaven and Jesus and all
Speaker 2: that stuff too, But I believe in God and Heaven
Speaker 2: and all that because for different reasons, reasons other than
Speaker 2: you know, someone in church told me what to believe.
Speaker 2: But it's kind of like, and I think that you
Speaker 2: can believe in aliens and extrastial life and all this
Speaker 2: other stuff and still believe in God because I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of man's interpretation that misinterpretation mixed in.
Speaker 2: But it's like when you look at like you said earlier,
Speaker 2: with the cave drawings, there's so many things where what
Speaker 2: these early humans are depicting you can actually translate that
Speaker 2: into you can explain that with the technology of today.
Speaker 2: When they talk about these gods that came from the sky,
Speaker 2: you know, and they had the way that they depict
Speaker 2: some of these what they're wearing is basically like a spacesuit,
Speaker 2: and it's just kind of like, again, it's just kind
Speaker 2: of like when you try to explain that to someone
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, no, that's not it, and you're like, well,
Speaker 2: you weren't there and you don't know what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: So how can you say definitively that this is what
Speaker 2: it is when you have no idea?
Speaker 1: So sixteen seventy seven, the first dinosaur bones were dug
Speaker 1: up by a Robert plot. He did actually believe it
Speaker 1: belonged to a giant human time, and there was a
Speaker 1: professor at the Oxford University which which then further identified it.
Speaker 1: So I mean even still sixteen seventy seven and eleven eighty,
Speaker 1: you know, that's still a big difference in time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, could you imagine being that person
Speaker 2: just trying to explain that whole situation too.
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, I could certainly understand why I
Speaker 1: would think it would be a giant human being bones
Speaker 1: to a giant human beings, especially if you know, you
Speaker 1: go back and look at the Bible.
Speaker 7: And what kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, and like I said,
Speaker 2: you're gonna I mean, like I said, there's all these
Speaker 2: stories that are coming out of Egypt now where of
Speaker 2: different things that they're finding using the I don't want
Speaker 2: to say the wrong word, but like this sonar type technology.
Speaker 2: I think they're just going to keep finding more and
Speaker 2: more stuff that's just gonna kind of open eyes up
Speaker 2: a little bit. And I'm telling you, once they send
Speaker 2: people to different place, like once they send humans to Mars,
Speaker 2: I think you're going to have some very interesting things
Speaker 2: that that are going to be found.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm looking forward to that. And I kind
Speaker 1: of wish I was younger and you know, would have
Speaker 1: that opportunity to go there. I wouldn't admittedly, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to go on the first the first four waves
Speaker 1: of people going, you know, I let people get get
Speaker 1: a customer acclimatized to the place first. But yeah, that
Speaker 1: is even though it was a kid, that was something
Speaker 1: I was always fascinated in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's interesting too when like I said,
Speaker 2: I don't get too much off topic, but it's I
Speaker 2: find it very interesting that, you know, we have the
Speaker 2: rover is on Mars, and it's there's all these different
Speaker 2: images and that have been sent back, and so many
Speaker 2: people don't even pay attention to it, Like it's just
Speaker 2: kind of like it's just it's mind blowing to me
Speaker 2: that in some ways, like the the curiosity of man
Speaker 2: is just kind of diminished a little bit over the
Speaker 2: years for for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think these days, you know, we've been
Speaker 1: bombarded by so much information on the internet, social media
Speaker 1: and all that. When something you know potentially is grain breaking,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, next new story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's I just like, like I said, going
Speaker 2: back to my mom, it's just kind of like I
Speaker 2: love being able to just talk to her and just
Speaker 2: kind up I could think of stuff. I always like
Speaker 2: to look at the stars and just kind of just
Speaker 2: imagine what's out there. But there's so many people that don't.
Speaker 1: But now going back, going back on to topic with
Speaker 1: the private investigations, Yeah, do you actively invite more cases
Speaker 1: of the strange to come your way?
Speaker 2: Yeah. We started doing that a little bit, saying hey,
Speaker 2: if you've had some unusual incidents, you know, let us know,
Speaker 2: because like I said, I'm curious about what people are reporting,
Speaker 2: and what I'll do is and we haven't had any
Speaker 2: for a little bit, but you know, when they when
Speaker 2: I do get them again, what the process is going
Speaker 2: to be is kind of do that initial interview, kind
Speaker 2: of see if the person is legitimate or not, and
Speaker 2: kind of get a feel of what's going on and
Speaker 2: then try to help them get to the right people.
Speaker 2: And there are investigators out there that that are I
Speaker 2: don't want to call them frauds, but they're kind of
Speaker 2: they're not professional. So it's just kind of like I
Speaker 2: want to try to find ways to connect with people
Speaker 2: that are valid and they're going to actually help people
Speaker 2: try to get get answers to some of the stuff
Speaker 2: that they're experiencing. So but it's kind of like I
Speaker 2: grew up, like I said, it was an eighties kid,
Speaker 2: and they grew up in the nineties. X Files was
Speaker 2: a big thing, and that's kind of what I based
Speaker 2: a lot of the book off of was that type
Speaker 2: of scenario. It's private investigator but from our X Files,
Speaker 2: but from a private investigator standpoint. So, but you know that,
Speaker 2: and that's kind of way I look at it to
Speaker 2: where because remember I don't know if you remember the
Speaker 2: show X Files with with Molder and for the other girl,
Speaker 2: the right girl, old.
Speaker 7: Name, but the gorgeous Scully.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's what exactly. But they'll look at they'll
Speaker 2: look into things and they kind of look into things
Speaker 2: with an open mind, right where it's kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not going to go to a ghost
Speaker 2: investigation looking for ghosts. I'm going to treat it just
Speaker 2: like law enforcement when I talk to I go to
Speaker 2: a domestic violence situation, and you know, I'm talking to
Speaker 2: a man and a woman. I'm not going to immediately
Speaker 2: think that the the man's the suspect and the woman's
Speaker 2: the victim. I'm going to go in there with an
Speaker 2: open mind and say, Okay, what's going on and try
Speaker 2: to fact find and then figure stuff out. So but yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of looking forward to it. Twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: is where I'm kinda like I said, after my mom passed.
Speaker 2: Before she passed away, she would always kind of tell
Speaker 2: me like, you know, hey, do do what makes you happy.
Speaker 2: And I do enjoy the private investigation work with missing
Speaker 2: persons and stuff like that, because it's, you know, you
Speaker 2: can try to find enclosure a little bit for people.
Speaker 2: But the stuff that is interesting to me the most, though,
Speaker 2: is it is the you know, the unidentified things, the
Speaker 2: unexplained things, and you know, it's always been something that's
Speaker 2: been curious to me. And I think I'm gonna delve
Speaker 2: a little bit more into that this year and next
Speaker 2: they kind of see where it leads.
Speaker 1: So what I always liked to buy Scully was that
Speaker 1: one week she'd see something extraordinary, and then the following
Speaker 1: week she's back to being a skeptic again.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And those are the people, though, that you kind
Speaker 2: of need in your life because they kind of keep
Speaker 2: your grounded a little bit, because you don't want to
Speaker 2: go down that rabbit hole of thinking that everything that
Speaker 2: you see is you know, paranormal, or that's the UFO
Speaker 2: and that's got to be an alien. It's like, and
Speaker 2: I've told my son, because we were talking about this,
Speaker 2: you know, a little while back, where I told him,
Speaker 2: he said something about, oh, that's an alien. I go, hey, buddy, no,
Speaker 2: I go, you got to think of it with an
Speaker 2: open mind. I go, just because you see something in
Speaker 2: the sky that you can't identify doesn't necessarily mean that
Speaker 2: it's an alien or you know, not of this world.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like, I don't know if you
Speaker 2: remember the incident. It was off the coast of I
Speaker 2: think it was San Diego with the navy with the
Speaker 2: the U A P. That's the famous one. Were another
Speaker 2: there's one that was off the coast of the Atlantic,
Speaker 2: and then there's one off the coast in the Pacific
Speaker 2: where it was you know, they were messing around with
Speaker 2: the Navy, the Navy fleet that was in those those areas.
Speaker 2: But those are those are interesting cases too, and those
Speaker 2: go back to what I was talking about earlier, were
Speaker 2: the validity of the people that you're talking to, because
Speaker 2: you know, you had squadron commander that your fighter pilots
Speaker 2: that were seeing this stuff and reporting it.
Speaker 1: So of course, yeah, we had Gary Vohees on the
Speaker 1: air a few years ago from the you know, from
Speaker 1: the such case.
Speaker 7: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Okay, during your investigations, have you have you ever done
Speaker 1: any missing persons that are very very difficult to to
Speaker 1: explain what happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've had somewhere, I mean, nothing that
Speaker 2: was you know, extraordinary, but we've had some that you know,
Speaker 2: just kind of like just kind of dead ended and
Speaker 2: they just kind of like gone, and even from police
Speaker 2: work where And that's the interesting thing too. Where the
Speaker 2: first book I talked about we did, it's focused on
Speaker 2: the occurrence of time slips. I don't know if you've
Speaker 2: ever heard of those, but they're one of the most
Speaker 2: interesting things that I've ever read about, and they they're
Speaker 2: extremely intriguing to me. But I always kind of think,
Speaker 2: you know, when you're you're doing a missing person case
Speaker 2: and you just can't find them, like it just seems
Speaker 2: like they just just disappeared, and it kind of makes
Speaker 2: you wonder sometimes like what happened to them? Because even
Speaker 2: in today's world, you have missing person cases where you know,
Speaker 2: everyone's got some sort of imprint on social media or something,
Speaker 2: especially in twenty twenty five. This stuff's been around for
Speaker 2: twenty years, twenty almost thirty years now, and so when
Speaker 2: you have a missing person's case where you're looking for
Speaker 2: them and the trail just runs cold and you can't
Speaker 2: find them and there's just nothing explains why they went away,
Speaker 2: kind of makes you wonder the small part of your brain.
Speaker 2: You know, I can hear my mom talking to me, like, hey,
Speaker 2: maybe you know something out of the ordinary happened to them.
Speaker 2: It kind of always makes you wonder. But none stick
Speaker 2: out off the top of my head. But I've I
Speaker 2: definitely had some over the years that have, like I said,
Speaker 2: just rank cold. And if you ever, if your listeners
Speaker 2: want to take the time, you can actually go to
Speaker 2: like different police departments websites and you know, google the
Speaker 2: county that you live in and say, you know, google
Speaker 2: the Maricopa County and missing persons and then it'll show
Speaker 2: all the different people that are missing, and it's kind
Speaker 2: of it's sad in a way. But like I said,
Speaker 2: there's there's times where there's just people that just seem
Speaker 2: to have vanished, and it's kind of it's extremely odd.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is some some in which happens all over
Speaker 1: the world. A lot of people go missing every year,
Speaker 1: and it is, like you said, literally into thin air.
Speaker 1: I know in Japan. I'm not saying this is predominantly
Speaker 1: the case in the West of this. I like this,
Speaker 1: but I know in Japan there are certain agencies and
Speaker 1: companies which which specialize in making people vanish. To say,
Speaker 1: for some forever reason people want to get lost, they
Speaker 1: will help you vanish. Basically, I'm talking about probably more
Speaker 1: in an identity type way as that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but that is a thing. It's a very
Speaker 1: different culture over there, obviously when it comes to life
Speaker 1: and success. But yeah, people do that, which is sad.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Obviously obviously anytime someone goes missing for whatever reason is
Speaker 1: you know, is tragic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, it's just it's interesting because what
Speaker 2: you're talking about where people that those are usually people
Speaker 2: with resources and they have the you know aka money,
Speaker 2: and they can kind of do those things. But there's
Speaker 2: just plenty of of cases where John Doe just ends
Speaker 2: up becoming you know, just just gone, and the family
Speaker 2: will be like, yeah, there was no I don't know
Speaker 2: what happened, and it just kind of they're just there's
Speaker 2: no reason whatsoever. They just kind of like they just disappear. So, yeah, we.
Speaker 1: Had we had an internet in my time. That was
Speaker 1: back in the night. As this lady went went missing
Speaker 1: in the finite, she completely vanished. Even psychics were used
Speaker 1: and they got to one point where they found her
Speaker 1: car and glasses, you know, which she was never without,
Speaker 1: but that was it. There was no trace of it
Speaker 1: ever found. It was very sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like I said, it's it's missing. That's
Speaker 2: part of the reason why I do the missing person
Speaker 2: cases because you know, from cop work, it's just kind
Speaker 2: of you can usually you can find people, it's especially
Speaker 2: in today's world, but it's just those ones that they
Speaker 2: just kind of they just seem to disappear. That just
Speaker 2: intrigued me. Like I said, it kind of you have
Speaker 2: to have an open mind about stuff.
Speaker 1: So that's why it's sort about an open mind. Okay,
Speaker 1: now you looks Jason, the nine one eight files are
Speaker 1: these actual cases, and what you've done is you've built
Speaker 1: a story around them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So so I have I have four books that
Speaker 2: are out. So the main books they are the three
Speaker 2: of them. There's one that's one it's in Gilbert, Arizona,
Speaker 2: focuses on time slips and it kind of the main
Speaker 2: books are their fiction. I just kind of created them
Speaker 2: and just use my creative mind and just kind of
Speaker 2: took topics that I find interesting. But what I did
Speaker 2: with the book that's called The Shortcases just to kind
Speaker 2: of entertain readers a little bit. Some of the stories
Speaker 2: are absolutely just pure fiction where I created them sitting
Speaker 2: down thinking of weird stuff and just kind of came
Speaker 2: up with the ideas of my own. Some of the
Speaker 2: stories are based in reality, so what happened. There will
Speaker 2: be situations where there it's certain things happened, and then
Speaker 2: I created the story off of that incident. And then
Speaker 2: so it's kind of like quasi. It's a mixture of
Speaker 2: fiction and nonfiction. And then there's a couple in there
Speaker 2: that are actually legitimate stories that actually happened that we
Speaker 2: kind of kind of ran across and kind of investigated.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, it was. It was fun writing the
Speaker 2: books because, like I said, it kind of it allows
Speaker 2: me to to kind of take some of the all
Speaker 2: the stuff that's in my brain and kind of put
Speaker 2: into writing. So it's just it was fun. And the
Speaker 2: thing that sucked is that I was so close to
Speaker 2: finishing the first book and I had made my mom
Speaker 2: my character in the first book, and then she passed away,
Speaker 2: like right before we finished it. But she used to
Speaker 2: be a cab driver in England back in the day,
Speaker 2: and I always say she was. She wasn't a very
Speaker 2: good one, but she was, you know, she was a
Speaker 2: cab driver. I'll give her that. But that's part of
Speaker 2: the story. Is where in the first book, where the
Speaker 2: the guy that did the time clip, he ended up
Speaker 2: coming back to today's time and he almost gets hit
Speaker 2: by a cab driver, which is you know, my mom,
Speaker 2: that's that's your character.
Speaker 7: So oh good stuff.
Speaker 1: What I'll do is, Jason, you know, I'll put the
Speaker 1: links to your books down below in a description and
Speaker 1: I do think it would be they would be wonderful
Speaker 1: additions to anyone's bookshelf. Things like that fascinate me when
Speaker 1: it comes to missing persons, the paranormal, you know, or
Speaker 1: all wrapped up like this.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to find the time to write the next one,
Speaker 2: and I want to base it in England because, like
Speaker 2: I said earlier, the main character is it's based kind
Speaker 2: of loosely off of me and then one of my
Speaker 2: old one of my my friends that that's retired Phoenix
Speaker 2: police officer. And then but the physicality is the description
Speaker 2: of the of the the investigator is based off of
Speaker 2: my great grandpa. So but yeah, he was a shorter
Speaker 2: guy and he just World War One veteran and just
Speaker 2: as British as you could be. Everything my mom tells me,
Speaker 2: and you know, kind of my my brother because he's
Speaker 2: a little bit older than me. He got to grow
Speaker 2: up with him a little bit. But he's just you know,
Speaker 2: if you think of an English gentleman, that's that's kind
Speaker 2: of what I think of, you know, papcuoram so.
Speaker 1: So we may have elements of short homes in.
Speaker 2: There, yeah, a little bit. Yeah, So when I do
Speaker 2: the the next one, that's kind of what I was
Speaker 2: thinking of because kind of throwing a little little shirtlock
Speaker 2: stuff in there, and you know, kind of mixed in
Speaker 2: some British history with the investigative aspects of it.
Speaker 7: So good stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, And would you also like us to ads your
Speaker 1: investigation business as well, where people can maybe contact you
Speaker 1: and it might not necessarily be to do with the paranormal,
Speaker 1: it might just be you know, running the mail type cases.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's Zona Investigations and that's z o NA
Speaker 2: and then Investigations dot Com because yeah, because like I said,
Speaker 2: it's the odd unusual stuff. I always do those for
Speaker 2: free because the payment is just in it's it's in
Speaker 2: the work itself, you know. So but like I said,
Speaker 2: the world is a extremely weird place and I just
Speaker 2: kind of like it's just very intriguing, you know, I
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was going to ask, what would you
Speaker 1: put on the invoice for say, a haunting.
Speaker 2: That's a good question. But I just I still remember
Speaker 2: that the light switch one where I was just kind
Speaker 2: of like I'm out and the lady was just kind
Speaker 2: of like looked at me, and I said, no, I'm not,
Speaker 2: I'm out. There's no fee, We're good. Whatever you're saying
Speaker 2: happening it's valid, so.
Speaker 1: Good stuff, Jason. Fascinating that, Jason. I really appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming on sharing all that for our listeners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was an absolute pleasure.
Speaker 1: It was wonderful meeting you. Okay, keep in contact Jason,
Speaker 1: all right, and we will speak soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get you remember now, so we'll stay in
Speaker 2: touch definitely.
Speaker 1: And a new friend is made. Enjoyed a Russian night, Jason,
Speaker 1: and take care to you. Well that's all for this week.
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Speaker 1: reach out to me via the contact page on my
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Speaker 1: adjacent for sharing tonight, and as always, thank you all
Speaker 1: for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,
Speaker 1: stay safe and keep watching the skies.
Speaker 7: Goodbye, built
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