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<v Speaker 1>You'll be away five seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to report a UFO hanging in? We

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to report every thirty one. Do you wish

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<v Speaker 2>to report a.

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<v Speaker 1>UFO over hey, we want to one of.

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<v Speaker 2>Those areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a

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<v Speaker 2>report of any kind of it? I wouldn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>kind of reports clouds areas thirty one me neither.

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<v Speaker 1>There were seven one golf.

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<v Speaker 3>If it was anybody as above us to pass us,

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<v Speaker 3>like thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>Seconds ago, we were sending one of golf negative, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>OFFI the UFO.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's murder ten nine o'clock. Yes, if you passed over,

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<v Speaker 2>I got I don't know what it was.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's from at least to three thousand feet above us.

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<v Speaker 2>See, I passed right over the top of us.

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<v Speaker 6>Ninety one one. You just called both to be be fours.

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<v Speaker 2>They're after staying the airplanes.

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<v Speaker 6>He is to God on an unidentified object every liberty

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<v Speaker 6>or call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

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<v Speaker 4>A Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share

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<v Speaker 4>their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had

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<v Speaker 4>an encounter, I would like to be on the show.

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<v Speaker 4>You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello everyone, and welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 7>How are you all.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>In this episode, we are joined by Jason, a private investigator,

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<v Speaker 1>former Phoenix police officer, and Air Force veteran, and he

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<v Speaker 1>comes to us from the state of Arizona. Jason is

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<v Speaker 1>the creator of the nine one eight Files, a project

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<v Speaker 1>dedicated to chronicling the strange, the unexplained, and the downright

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<v Speaker 1>bizarre happenings across the Grand Canyon State. From UFO science

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<v Speaker 1>to unsolved mysteries. Jason will be sharing his first hand

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<v Speaker 1>insights into Arizona's weird underbelly. This one's dedicated to all

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<v Speaker 1>those who are fought to be crazy. Jason is up.

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<v Speaker 5>Now on with the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Good evening, Jason, Welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 7>You are more than welcoming.

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<v Speaker 1>It is great to have you with us tonight. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're calling from the Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the getting warm warmer by the day, state of Arizona.

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<v Speaker 7>Get informer by the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, now, Jason, you have some experiences to share with us,

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<v Speaker 1>But would you like to start by letting the listeners

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<v Speaker 1>know a little bit about yourself?

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<v Speaker 7>Please?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Absolutely, Well, I was My mom is originally from England.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is why I kind of gravitated towards your show,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, the English accident has always been kind

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<v Speaker 2>of comforting. But my dad was military, so we grew

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<v Speaker 2>up all I grew up all over the States. We

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<v Speaker 2>lived in England for a little bit. After high school,

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<v Speaker 2>I joined the military, did a little bit of time

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<v Speaker 2>on active duty, and then I left in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and five. And then I became a police officer here

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<v Speaker 2>in Arizona. Did that for a little bit, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I got tired of dealing with all the nonsense that

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<v Speaker 2>comes with law enforcement work, so started my own security business.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I also started a private investigation business, which

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<v Speaker 2>has kind of led me to this podcast. So and

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<v Speaker 2>with that the private investigation business, what I've done. Is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of also started a series of books based on

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like, over the years, I've had a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of odd cases that or you know, people have reported

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<v Speaker 2>different odd or odd things to me. So I decided

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<v Speaker 2>to turn some of those stories into stories in a book.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I also read other books that I kind

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<v Speaker 2>of made up, you know, using my own imagination. So

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, and then so here we are today, so

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<v Speaker 2>great stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you like to stop by sharing some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things you've experienced please, Jason.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely. So Basically, the way my private investigation business

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<v Speaker 2>works is we primarily focus on you know, like missing persons,

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<v Speaker 2>or we will do like a lot of surveillance work. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a couple of friends that I work with

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<v Speaker 2>that are retired law enforcement and we kind of team

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<v Speaker 2>up with them. But you know, over the years I've

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<v Speaker 2>had I started getting people that would start requesting our

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<v Speaker 2>services for you know, odd things like hey, do you

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<v Speaker 2>investigate you know, ghosts or you know, lights moving or

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. And initially I said, no, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to get involved with that. I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>professional and I want to focus on these key things.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to stick to the law enforcement type things.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you know, over the years again, I just

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<v Speaker 2>started I've always been kind of curious about the paranormal

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<v Speaker 2>UFOs and just things outside the box, right cause this,

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<v Speaker 2>like we were talking earlier about, you know, my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was the type of person that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>these a couple of them kind of caught my interest

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<v Speaker 2>in regards to things that they were reporting. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of them was there was a lady here in the

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<v Speaker 2>Phoenix area. She had called me and said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of do a brief interview with them to

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<v Speaker 2>see what's going on. But she seemed, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to say normal, but she came across as very like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like a nice, normal lady, Like there's nothing,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no mental health issues. It didn't seem like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like a legitimate issue that she was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out. So basically what she was reporting

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<v Speaker 2>was is that she was saying that there was things

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<v Speaker 2>that were she lived alone by herself. She had no pets,

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<v Speaker 2>no nothing, and she had a standalone, single home. So

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<v Speaker 2>she was saying that stuff was being moved in her house.

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<v Speaker 2>And then every now and then she would come home

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<v Speaker 2>to lights being turned on, or she would wake up

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<v Speaker 2>and then she'd go downstairs and like the living room

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<v Speaker 2>light would be on. So I went to her house

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<v Speaker 2>kind of did an assessment during the daytime. We didn't

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<v Speaker 2>find anything weird. You know, I'm not an electrician or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that, but we kind of checked, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the power outlets and you know, different things, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing. Came back about a week later at night.

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<v Speaker 2>This time we were there around I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>like seven o'clock, eight o'clock, and I had a little

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<v Speaker 2>device it kind of measures for like electro magnetic stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember I was walking up the stairs and

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<v Speaker 2>you that I'm not a paranormal investigator. Like I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>The stuff creeped me out. I was doing this to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of help the lady, To hopefully help the lady,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, say hey, look there's nothing here to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of ease your mind. But anyway, so I start walking

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<v Speaker 2>and I kid you not the light switch. It's one

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<v Speaker 2>of those toggle switches where you kind of it's flat,

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<v Speaker 2>but it kind of you can push it down and

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<v Speaker 2>it moves and it makes a click sound. I'm halfway

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<v Speaker 2>up the stairs and then all of a sudden, I

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<v Speaker 2>hear a click and then yep, sure enough, the light

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<v Speaker 2>switch had literally like clicked down on his own. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, yep, I'm out. I terminated the investigation

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<v Speaker 2>right there, and I said, man, yes, you have some

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<v Speaker 2>issues going on in your home. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>just happened there, but you need to contact someone that

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<v Speaker 2>deals with this stuff directly. So then I got some

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<v Speaker 2>slack forward on social media because you know, people were

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, weren't you they're investigating, and I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was there investigating it. But I investigated and I said, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>there's some some weirdness going on. So but yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>was an interesting one because that was the first one

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of pique my interest more in this type

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. But yeah, it was. It was interesting, to

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<v Speaker 2>say the least. And then the second one that we

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<v Speaker 2>had it was about a This one was about six

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<v Speaker 2>months later. We had a a gentleman call us and

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<v Speaker 2>he just moved into the home and he said that

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<v Speaker 2>he hears tapping so in the in the attics in

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<v Speaker 2>the area where I live. It's kind of like the

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<v Speaker 2>only thing that's up because it's too hot. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>have stuff in these atticts up here. It's basically the

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<v Speaker 2>He had the furnace up in his attic and that

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<v Speaker 2>was it. So and he had this little square cut out,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, entry into the attic and it was like

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<v Speaker 2>just a little piece of you know, piece of wood.

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<v Speaker 2>So he said that, you know, he would every night,

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<v Speaker 2>during random or actually during the day and the night,

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<v Speaker 2>he was here tapping coming from his ceiling. He couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out, didn't know what it was. And it

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<v Speaker 2>would be at random times, two o'clock in the morning,

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<v Speaker 2>three in the afternoon, you know whatever. So we went

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<v Speaker 2>over to his house because you know, this sounded interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to me. I was like, okay, I'll go check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Because again the individual sounded like a normal, level headed

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<v Speaker 2>guy and he was just trying to figure stuff out.

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<v Speaker 2>So we go over there. We went over there, I

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<v Speaker 2>think two or three times at different times during you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at night, during the day, whatever, and one time. Two

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<v Speaker 2>of the times we didn't hear anything. We didn't hear

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<v Speaker 2>any tapping or anything. And I was like, okay, this

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's probably just hearing stuff and you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not hearing it, so but I think it was the

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<v Speaker 2>second or third time we went there. We were checking out.

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<v Speaker 2>We were actually in the it's like a big, huge

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<v Speaker 2>walking closet is where the attic entry way is, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're in there, and then you start hearing the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of like I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 2>can hear the tapping sound, but it was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like that where it sounded like someone was

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<v Speaker 2>tapping inside the attic, you know, like a human was tapping.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, man, that is some not normal stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So we went up into the attic. I checked around,

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<v Speaker 2>look for you know, the basics, you know, like rodents,

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<v Speaker 2>this and that and the other. He called a friend

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<v Speaker 2>of his that is in construction that deals with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>home and stuff like that. Maybe there was a draft,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe there was wind that was moving something. But we

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<v Speaker 2>found nothing after that that could explain the tapping. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was just incredibly creepy because, like I said, it

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, there's nothing. We set up cameras up

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<v Speaker 2>in the attic as well during different times, and we

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<v Speaker 2>saw nothing, no movement. There is absolutely nothing that was

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<v Speaker 2>explaining in this noise. But you know, we we caught

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<v Speaker 2>it on when we were in the in the closet,

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<v Speaker 2>We caught we recorded it, and it was just it

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<v Speaker 2>was just one of those weird things where again we

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't I had no idea what it was though. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the third thing that kind of was me personally

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<v Speaker 2>that I kind of experienced it myself and it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of fits with the the UFO aspects of your show,

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<v Speaker 2>and this one was kind of weird and it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of Arizona. I don't know if you know or not,

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<v Speaker 2>but Arizona has a lot of UFO UAP type activity,

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<v Speaker 2>I think if I don't know if you're familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>the National UFO Reporting Center, but since their inception, I

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<v Speaker 2>think they've had something like over five thousand sightings of

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<v Speaker 2>and there's been like nineteen twenty something like that already

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<v Speaker 2>this year alone all over the state. So but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think it was a Christmas Day or Christmas Eve,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen or sixteen at the time, but we're outside, is nighttime,

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<v Speaker 2>we're walking, walking my dog, and this kind of fits

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<v Speaker 2>into the line of you know, people are always you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when people report seeing unidentified objects in the sky, they

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<v Speaker 2>we were just walking the dog, you know, two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and three hundred feet in front of our house. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>So we're out walking the dog. Up in the sky

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<v Speaker 2>to the south. I don't know if you're familiar, but

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm prior military and I've done a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>work around, like you know, I've deployed. I've done a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of work around, like black hawks, helicopters and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>To the south, I see three lights that are flying

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<v Speaker 2>in Unison going eastbound, and they taught my attention. So

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<v Speaker 2>in our area where we live, there's always black hawks

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<v Speaker 2>in the sky. They're always doing a lot of training

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<v Speaker 2>because there's military facilities in our area and they're always

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<v Speaker 2>me on this incident, though, is the color of the

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<v Speaker 2>lights that were orange, like a very dark orange, which

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen helicopters with orange lights. So anyway, I

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<v Speaker 2>see three lights going at the altitude of blackhawks, going

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<v Speaker 2>and then they're traveling. They're going eastbound, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>first the lead vehicle, the lead light, disappears. The second

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, did you see that? And she said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>though I said, I looked at him and he looked

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<v Speaker 2>at me like he knew what I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>ask him, and he was like, yeah, what was that?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, I don't know, dude. So then I

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<v Speaker 2>kid you not. Maybe about fifteen seconds later we look

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<v Speaker 2>the lights reappear. So the distance that they traveled in

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<v Speaker 2>that amount of time, there's no way that they could

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<v Speaker 2>have been going that fast. So they reappear out of

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<v Speaker 2>nowhere and they're in the sky doing the same speed

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<v Speaker 2>fly unison, and then they get to a certain spot

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<v Speaker 2>in the sky and the first one it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like this time, it just didn't disappear. Did the old

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of like went really small, really fast, and

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<v Speaker 2>it just disappeared. Second one did the same thing, third

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<v Speaker 2>one did the same thing and then gone. So what

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<v Speaker 2>was weird is that there's no like I said, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no sound. I've never seen a color like that for

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<v Speaker 2>an aircraft. Nothing. So a little while later I talked

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<v Speaker 2>to some individuals from MUFON and they do a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of investigation for UFOs and ups went on and I

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<v Speaker 2>was explaining them what I'd seen and they kind of

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<v Speaker 2>frustrating because it was like they were not flares, And

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<v Speaker 2>enough to know what flares look like, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of like that was not that. So, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's kind of the gist of some of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that I experienced over the years, and it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of goes along with my mentality though of why when

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<v Speaker 2>people report stuff to me, I don't blow them off

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<v Speaker 2>because it's kind of like So in the books that

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<v Speaker 2>that I wrote, the very beginning of every book I

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<v Speaker 2>dedicated I'll back up a little bit. So the books

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<v Speaker 2>are called the ninety eighteen Files, and ninet eighteen comes

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<v Speaker 2>from when I was a police officer. The radio code

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<v Speaker 2>for mental health pickup was nine eighteen, So if you

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<v Speaker 2>were going to go do you get dispatched to it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a ninet eighteen call that was to go

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<v Speaker 2>if you're dealing with a suspect or you know, someone

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<v Speaker 2>citizen or whatever that that had some sort of mental

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<v Speaker 2>health issue, you could say, hey, you know there, you

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<v Speaker 2>could use ninety teen in a coded way to let

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<v Speaker 2>other officers know that you're dealing with someone that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>not gonna respond in the same way that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a person without mental health issues is going to respond.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, the reason why I came up with the

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<v Speaker 2>nine eighteen files is because and we dedicated the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the book to it says dedicated to those thought

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<v Speaker 2>to be crazy. And I did that because there are

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<v Speaker 2>times when you're going to report things like paranormal or

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to report seeing UFO, or you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>report some sort of experience that is totally unusual and odd,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you tell people what you experience, they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to think you're crazy. So the beginning of the book,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why I dedicated to those thought to be

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<v Speaker 2>if someone is reporting something to you, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of like the kild be telling the truth

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<v Speaker 2>and just kind of take it for what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>so kind of give them the benefit of the doubt

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, and that makes complete sense. You know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>of the most frequent subject titles I get is You're

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<v Speaker 1>going to think I'm crazy. And even sometimes in people's audio,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when they're sharing their account, that's that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they keep doubling back and say, yeah, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to sound crazy, this is going to sound crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, normal people have these experiences, as you've

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<v Speaker 1>found out now, Jason.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And that's the thing too, So the cop and me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like when you go to a scene and you

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<v Speaker 2>see fifteen people all talking, it's no, that's a tainted

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<v Speaker 2>witness bol right, because you could have one witness in

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<v Speaker 2>a group of thirty is now thirty witnesses because everyone

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<v Speaker 2>wants to be a part of what's going on. So

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<v Speaker 2>what I like to do when it comes to certain incidents,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure you're familiar with like the phoenix lice

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, right, I think it was back in ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 2>late nineties. The reason why the validity of that incident

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<v Speaker 2>is the fact that you have witnesses different parts of

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<v Speaker 2>the state, different parts of different states. Because as these

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<v Speaker 2>lights traveled, they're all reporting the same thing. But these

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<v Speaker 2>are people that are disconnected from each other, so they're

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<v Speaker 2>not talking, but they're reporting the same thing where they

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<v Speaker 2>reporting seeing the same stuff. So and it's also kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the we can talk too, Like one of

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<v Speaker 2>the bigger things that happened here in Arizona. Was do

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<v Speaker 2>you remember the movie Fire in the Sky? I sure do, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's kind of funny is we went I totally forgot.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew about the movie, but I didn't know where

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<v Speaker 2>it was filmed that in Arizona. So we were up

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<v Speaker 2>in Hebrew where that whole incident took place, and we

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<v Speaker 2>were going camping, of all places, and my wife picked

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<v Speaker 2>with these aliens? So then I asked him, I said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>why do you have all these alien figures in this

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<v Speaker 2>wood shop? And he's like, oh, you never heard of

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<v Speaker 2>Fired in the Sky. And I was like, it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you kidding me? That was here and the guy was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was, you didn't know. And he's like, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you What are you doing up here? And I said,

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<v Speaker 2>we're camping, and he kind of just gave me this

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<v Speaker 2>weird look, and I was like that's great. Well let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's just sat and sleep very well for the for

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<v Speaker 2>the two nights that we were there. So but the

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<v Speaker 2>cool thing about that story, that incident, again going back

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<v Speaker 2>to the cop part of me, is those individuals again,

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<v Speaker 2>they everyone said they were crazy. They they thought they

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<v Speaker 2>were up to no good and thought they're plotting, planning, doing,

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<v Speaker 2>coming up with some sort of you know whatever. But

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<v Speaker 2>all of those individuals, I think they all passed polygraphs

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times. So yeah, it's just one of those since,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, Arizona has had so many different unusual

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<v Speaker 2>incidents over the years, so it's a state that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>just ripe with unusual activity. And we border New Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>which is home to the famous the Roswell incident.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I must have been. I do get a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of guests from those regions, and I did have

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Rogers. I had him as a guest so several

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. Now, of course he was brother in law

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<v Speaker 1>of Travis Waltin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he's a I've been trying to I would

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<v Speaker 2>love to talk to him because he'd be an interesting interview.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's an interesting guy.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we also had a forgetting the name of

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<v Speaker 2>of the one of the military bases during the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>installation out in the forest Renders from forest, Yeah, exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the one of the guys from that incident, he lives

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<v Speaker 2>But he's another one that would be kind of interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to. And it goes back to the thing

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, when they were reporting stuff, it was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, oh, you're you're crazy and again because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're reporting things that you know, but we

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<v Speaker 2>live in a world where it wasn't you know back

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<v Speaker 2>in the day if you if you said the world

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<v Speaker 2>was round and not flat, you know, you were called crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So but indeed, yeah, you work all crazy private investigations. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>initially you were just doing i say, rather than mill

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<v Speaker 1>You're just doing tating adulterers and missing persons and serving

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<v Speaker 1>papers that type of thing. So you didn't really set

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So when I first started out, it was basically

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<v Speaker 2>just to I was trying to get into the professional

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<v Speaker 2>lane of cop work, but from a civilian standpoint, you

421
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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. So it's just kind of like

422
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<v Speaker 2>doing the missing persons, doing the surveillance work and stuff

423
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<v Speaker 2>like that. I didn't set out to be, and even

424
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<v Speaker 2>even now not necessarily like investigators for paranormal because, like

425
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<v Speaker 2>I said, with that lady with the light switch, you know,

426
00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:11.599
<v Speaker 2>we went out there and as soon as that light switched,

427
00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:14.039
<v Speaker 2>I was like, no, this is not me. I can't.

428
00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:16.720
<v Speaker 2>I was like, we documented it, and we turned the

429
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<v Speaker 2>information over to her and we said, hey, you can

430
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<v Speaker 2>you can take this video because we were recording it

431
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<v Speaker 2>as we were going up, and I was like, you

432
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<v Speaker 2>can take this and you can contact several different paranormal

433
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<v Speaker 2>investigators and see what they can do for you. But

434
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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't have the resources or the expertise

435
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<v Speaker 2>to do that type of stuff. But it does interest

436
00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:38.599
<v Speaker 2>me though, because, like we were talking before, you know,

437
00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:43.279
<v Speaker 2>my mom originally from England, from Northampton, and actually the

438
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<v Speaker 2>main character in the book, the Private Investigator is he

439
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<v Speaker 2>is basically it's Charles Bullum, which is my great grandfather

440
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:55.000
<v Speaker 2>who was from Northampton. So it's kind of I tied

441
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<v Speaker 2>it all back to England because you know, it's my

442
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<v Speaker 2>homeboy from home. But my mom is the one that

443
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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, like I said, she passed away a

444
00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:05.519
<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago, and but before that she had

445
00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:08.960
<v Speaker 2>always taught me to kind of keep an open mind

446
00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:11.359
<v Speaker 2>about stuff, you know, she was She's the type of

447
00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:13.680
<v Speaker 2>person that sometimes you have to reel her in. You're

448
00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:15.799
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, I don't want to call people crazy,

449
00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.440
<v Speaker 2>but sometimes I'll be Mom, you're kind of you're skirting

450
00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:21.720
<v Speaker 2>the realm, you're skirting the the weirdness levels here. But

451
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<v Speaker 2>God bless her. She was the type that would be like,

452
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<v Speaker 2>you know, unless someone can tell you, give you definitive

453
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<v Speaker 2>proof that this is what something is, She's like, keep

454
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<v Speaker 2>an open mind about it. So if someone tells you

455
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<v Speaker 2>that that pen that you're holding is blue, if it

456
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<v Speaker 2>is blue, then you know, sure it's blue. But if

457
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<v Speaker 2>there is no facts or something that can definitively prove

458
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<v Speaker 2>that something is something, you know, keep them open open

459
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<v Speaker 2>mind about you know, what's going on. So, but it's

460
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<v Speaker 2>kind of like when you talk about UFOs and UAPs

461
00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and ghosts, and you know, I've had conversations over the

462
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<v Speaker 2>years of people where you know, they'll say oh, don't exist,

463
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:02.759
<v Speaker 2>and you'd be like, well, how do you know that

464
00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:06.279
<v Speaker 2>they don't exist? Like, show me proof that they don't exist,

465
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:09.640
<v Speaker 2>because I have thousands of people that are experiencing things

466
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<v Speaker 2>that would say otherwise.

467
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<v Speaker 1>So so your mother, really she she fought outside the box,

468
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:16.920
<v Speaker 1>but she was also.

469
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<v Speaker 2>Grinded grounded as a I would say loosely grounded. So

470
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<v Speaker 2>she was still grounded, but she was kind of like,

471
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<v Speaker 2>like I said, if if you were to, because she

472
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<v Speaker 2>she was always watching ancient aliens and there's you know,

473
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<v Speaker 2>some of the stuff that's on there. The majority of

474
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:32.880
<v Speaker 2>it is kind of like eye opening where you're just

475
00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:35.799
<v Speaker 2>kind of like, that's interesting. But you know, she was

476
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:38.319
<v Speaker 2>we would be talking about the moon, and the moon

477
00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:40.359
<v Speaker 2>is kind of what reminds me of her now because

478
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<v Speaker 2>that was one of the last episodes that we talked about.

479
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<v Speaker 2>You know, so whenever I looked at the moon, I

480
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:48.079
<v Speaker 2>always kind of think of my mom. But when she

481
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:50.759
<v Speaker 2>would talk about how the the moon, she would say, no,

482
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:53.640
<v Speaker 2>the Moon's a satellite. It's yeah, I think it's fake.

483
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.480
<v Speaker 2>She's like that was that was put there. And that's

484
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<v Speaker 2>a perfect example of what I'm talking about, because you

485
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:03.759
<v Speaker 2>will have people that will say, no, the moon is

486
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<v Speaker 2>a natural object in space and it just naturally occurred there.

487
00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:10.400
<v Speaker 2>But then there's other people that'll be like, well, explain.

488
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you ever watched the episode where

489
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:16.480
<v Speaker 2>they talk about how they landed something on the moon,

490
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.599
<v Speaker 2>or they crashed one of the something back down to

491
00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:24.039
<v Speaker 2>the Moon and when it hit it kind of echoed

492
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.599
<v Speaker 2>and it was not normal, or you know, they talk

493
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<v Speaker 2>about how it's too weird of a coincidence, how the Sun,

494
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:33.359
<v Speaker 2>the Moon, and the Earth all kind of line up

495
00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:35.160
<v Speaker 2>and they can block each other out and it's just

496
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of weird stuff. But yeah, my mom was like definitely,

497
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:40.200
<v Speaker 2>she had a big influence on me, and it was

498
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:45.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of you know, there arecs, like I said, having

499
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:47.319
<v Speaker 2>worked the streets of Phoenix, and there's a lot of

500
00:26:47.359 --> 00:26:50.200
<v Speaker 2>mental on this out in the world, and I'm sure

501
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:53.319
<v Speaker 2>you've probably had your fair share of interacting with people

502
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.400
<v Speaker 2>that have legitimate mental health issues. You know. I've gone

503
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:59.839
<v Speaker 2>to calls where a lady had put tinfoil all over

504
00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:02.640
<v Speaker 2>her walls. She had it on the ceiling, on the walls,

505
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:04.960
<v Speaker 2>and she was she swore to us up and down

506
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:08.160
<v Speaker 2>that the FBI was out together, and you know this

507
00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:10.119
<v Speaker 2>type of stuff, and I felt horrible for her because

508
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:13.559
<v Speaker 2>she had genuine mental health issues. But there are also

509
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:18.440
<v Speaker 2>people out there that are legitimately reporting things and seeing

510
00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:24.160
<v Speaker 2>things and experiencing things that are real, and there sometimes

511
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:27.079
<v Speaker 2>their cast is crazy because of the stuff that they're reporting,

512
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:29.839
<v Speaker 2>and it's a shame because you know, there needs to

513
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:33.119
<v Speaker 2>be more research and openness about the stuff that goes

514
00:27:33.160 --> 00:27:35.839
<v Speaker 2>on because the world is a very, very very weird place,

515
00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.960
<v Speaker 2>so there's a lot of things that can't be explained,

516
00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and you know, to shut people down and just to

517
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:45.599
<v Speaker 2>say Nope, that's not normal, that's that's not it can't happen,

518
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:47.599
<v Speaker 2>it's you know, it's a shame. And my mom she

519
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:48.440
<v Speaker 2>taught me otherwise.

520
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:52.119
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, of course, I mean the mental health side

521
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:54.160
<v Speaker 1>of it, I mean, yeah, that's a given. It is

522
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:58.279
<v Speaker 1>pretty much widespread. But yeah, you certainly have to go

523
00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>in with an open mind. Normally people do reprove some

524
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:02.799
<v Speaker 1>very strange things.

525
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's a touchy issue because mental health is

526
00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:09.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of an odd thing. But it's kind of I

527
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>did the police work for eleven years and you kind

528
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:15.720
<v Speaker 2>of get to identifying. It's kind of like if I

529
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:18.400
<v Speaker 2>go back to when I was active duty. I remember

530
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 2>I was working in one of the front entry control

531
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.599
<v Speaker 2>areas for the base and the lady had walked up

532
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>from the outside community, walked up to the base and

533
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:29.440
<v Speaker 2>she was reporting stuff. I think she was trying to

534
00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:32.759
<v Speaker 2>say she was a spy or she was an informant

535
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:35.440
<v Speaker 2>for Russia or something like that. And I believe her

536
00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:39.079
<v Speaker 2>because I had never really interacted with anyone, you know,

537
00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 2>with a legitimate mental health issue. And then we called

538
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.519
<v Speaker 2>the local police department and they showed up and they

539
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:47.319
<v Speaker 2>were familiar with her, and they were like, no, she

540
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't know she's talking about you know, she's got issues X,

541
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:53.559
<v Speaker 2>Y and Z, And it kind of like I was like, oh, man, well,

542
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>I really believed her. So fast forward now, after having

543
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:00.680
<v Speaker 2>all that time with you know, with Phoenix and we

544
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:02.559
<v Speaker 2>have we have a lot of people in Phoenix that

545
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.759
<v Speaker 2>have mental health issues, you kind of learn to identify

546
00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:09.079
<v Speaker 2>different things. But you know, like I said, there's been

547
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times where when I've talked to people

548
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.039
<v Speaker 2>and they're reporting things, I kind of look for cues,

549
00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:16.279
<v Speaker 2>like trying to look for certain things to kind of

550
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.119
<v Speaker 2>to see if there's that mental health issue. But there's

551
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:24.680
<v Speaker 2>been a handful of people that have are legitimate, normal

552
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:28.920
<v Speaker 2>saying they come across as someone that that I don't

553
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:32.759
<v Speaker 2>see anything wrong or just there's no there's nothing going

554
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:35.440
<v Speaker 2>on other than you know, they're just your average person,

555
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.079
<v Speaker 2>but they're reporting something and you can tell there's stress

556
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:42.880
<v Speaker 2>from it because the whatever they experienced was troublesome. But

557
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:44.480
<v Speaker 2>then they got to turn around and try to tell

558
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:47.519
<v Speaker 2>people what they experience, and you know, they don't, you know,

559
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:49.759
<v Speaker 2>then they get hit with the you know, you're crazy

560
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:53.079
<v Speaker 2>or you're you know what did you what? That's those

561
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:55.839
<v Speaker 2>aren't real that type of stuff. But yeah, it's just

562
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.240
<v Speaker 2>like I said, it's unfortunate, But there are plenty of

563
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.119
<v Speaker 2>people out there though, like like you and myself, and

564
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>there's thousands of millions of other people though they have

565
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.000
<v Speaker 2>open minds about different things. But not to go too

566
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.279
<v Speaker 2>off topic, but it's kind of like the stuff that

567
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:15.200
<v Speaker 2>you're seeing over that gets reported on Mars right when

568
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.279
<v Speaker 2>you because we actually we were talking about this, that's

569
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:18.920
<v Speaker 2>probably about three or four months ago. I was talking

570
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:20.759
<v Speaker 2>with a girl I worked with and they were talking

571
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 2>about some of the structures that they were seeing on

572
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:26.279
<v Speaker 2>the planet, and she was saying that's not true. That

573
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.319
<v Speaker 2>can't happen because humans are only on Earth and that's it.

574
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.000
<v Speaker 2>And I said, well, that's kind of the evidence that

575
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:34.759
<v Speaker 2>they got there. Like some of those struggles, some of

576
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:37.000
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that they're that they're showing is kind of

577
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not normal, it's not it's not nature.

578
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.319
<v Speaker 2>And but she immediately shut it down, is saying, hey,

579
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:47.240
<v Speaker 2>that's not you know, they can't be because humans have

580
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:49.319
<v Speaker 2>never been there, and it's just kind of like, okay, well,

581
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:52.279
<v Speaker 2>but it's just a shame that you have that type

582
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:53.000
<v Speaker 2>of mentality.

583
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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you get that, right, Anything where there's more

584
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<v Speaker 1>questions and answers should always be into, you know, definitely.

585
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Jason, you know you served with the Police

597
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Department for quite a while. You're a veteran of the

598
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.000
<v Speaker 1>US Air Force, and thank you for your servicer in

599
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>both the police force and on the military.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I kind of give a little shout out

601
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:18.279
<v Speaker 2>to my to my brother John as well as I mean,

602
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:22.799
<v Speaker 2>he served forty years in the in the Royal Army.

603
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:25.240
<v Speaker 2>So and I kind of tease him a little bit

604
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:27.880
<v Speaker 2>sometimes because I kind of tell me he's JB. But

605
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:29.839
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, he did. He did forty years. My dad

606
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:34.480
<v Speaker 2>did twenty years. I did twenty six. I lose count sometimes,

607
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:38.880
<v Speaker 2>but you know, it's just it's kind of like I'd

608
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.440
<v Speaker 2>like to think of myself as a credible person, you know,

609
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:43.880
<v Speaker 2>when I when I see stuff, it's kind of like

610
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:46.319
<v Speaker 2>I said, with with those lights that I was seeing,

611
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.720
<v Speaker 2>it was it was one of those things where it's like,

612
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:51.960
<v Speaker 2>for the first time in my life, you know, I'd

613
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>seen something that was kind of like extremely odd and

614
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I could not explain it. It was different. But but yeah,

615
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean even you know, it's kind of like when

616
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:04.279
<v Speaker 2>I talk to people though, is you can still be

617
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:08.319
<v Speaker 2>a credible person and be a gas station attendant. It's

618
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:11.039
<v Speaker 2>just being human and just kind of like it's the

619
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.119
<v Speaker 2>way that you report things is what I look for.

620
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.359
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I couldn't agree more. When you look at

621
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<v Speaker 1>the guests I've had on I mean we've been running

622
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:20.799
<v Speaker 1>for I think nearly seven years now. I mean, if

623
00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>you look at the guests we've had on over the years,

624
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:27.000
<v Speaker 1>they are such a broad spectrum of people in all

625
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 1>different occupations. You know, I've had police, officers, fire and

626
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.599
<v Speaker 1>a lot of military on here. You know, gas station attendant, waitresses, waiters,

627
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:36.559
<v Speaker 1>you name it, I've had it on it. And that now,

628
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:41.279
<v Speaker 1>they don't always share what their profession is for auther's reasons.

629
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<v Speaker 1>If it may conflict with their job in any way,

630
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, which is fine. If it's not really about

631
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:51.799
<v Speaker 1>their experience, then you know, that's fine. But we get

632
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>such a broad spectrum of people on here.

633
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And then that's the thing too, because like I said,

634
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.519
<v Speaker 2>there there is an incident. I think it was in Michigan.

635
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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the exact dates. You're probably familiar with it,

636
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:07.319
<v Speaker 2>but there was an incident where the guy was working

637
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 2>I think he was a meteorologist and he was seeing

638
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.440
<v Speaker 2>stuff on radar over Lake, Michigan. That's an interesting situation

639
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.679
<v Speaker 2>as well, because you had anyone and everyone that was

640
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:21.280
<v Speaker 2>reporting the weird unusual objects in the sky and the

641
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.760
<v Speaker 2>lights and they were talking about kids, a police officer,

642
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:28.719
<v Speaker 2>a meteorologist, just all over the place. But it's just

643
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of like I wish hopefully some of the people

644
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:36.599
<v Speaker 2>listening to this, to this podcast can kind of you know,

645
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.639
<v Speaker 2>know that, like I said, you don't need to be

646
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:41.840
<v Speaker 2>a thirty year veteran or a former cop or you

647
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:44.679
<v Speaker 2>know whatever to be a credible person, a credible witness.

648
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:48.280
<v Speaker 2>You just need to you know, just kind of just

649
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:51.880
<v Speaker 2>be honest and open and normal about how when you

650
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:53.599
<v Speaker 2>talk to people about what you've seen.

651
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.800
<v Speaker 1>So oh indeed, yeah, if you're refering to the UFO

652
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.840
<v Speaker 1>flapp it and nothing ninety four ninety five, right, Michigan.

653
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those are the those are the incidents. Like, there's

654
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:07.840
<v Speaker 2>so many different incidents that have happened over the years.

655
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 2>People were reporting stuff were but it's like the interest

656
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>the incidents that intrigue me the most are the ones

657
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:17.199
<v Speaker 2>that have the key aspects of that. I always try

658
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:22.519
<v Speaker 2>to look for of witnesses that are that are separated

659
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.320
<v Speaker 2>and have no contact with each other and they're reporting

660
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:27.840
<v Speaker 2>the same thing, you know, Like I said, go back

661
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:31.360
<v Speaker 2>to the Phoenix lights, you had people that were because

662
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:34.199
<v Speaker 2>if I remember correctly, it was you had witnesses that

663
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:36.800
<v Speaker 2>were coming from like the Vada, you know, and then

664
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:39.639
<v Speaker 2>northern Arizona and then the Phoenix and these people did

665
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.360
<v Speaker 2>not talk. It was not the world that we live

666
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:47.400
<v Speaker 2>in now where I can see something in Arizona and

667
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 2>within two seconds people in England are no, They're going

668
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:52.440
<v Speaker 2>to know about it. So you know, it was in

669
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:56.239
<v Speaker 2>It was in a world where people had no communication

670
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.480
<v Speaker 2>with each other at all, but they were reporting the

671
00:35:59.559 --> 00:36:03.559
<v Speaker 2>exact same thing. Those things, those types of incidents absolutely

672
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:07.559
<v Speaker 2>intrigue me the most, and it is just mind blowing

673
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:11.719
<v Speaker 2>and it's a headache when people discredit incidents like that

674
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 2>and say no, it's nothing, and you're just kind of like, okay,

675
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:20.159
<v Speaker 2>you can, you can think that, but you have X,

676
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Y and Z saying otherwise.

677
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and it goes back to what you were

678
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:27.199
<v Speaker 1>saying earlier about turning up on a crime scene and

679
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.280
<v Speaker 1>there's a big group of people or conversed with themselves,

680
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.079
<v Speaker 1>and all it takes is for one person to say, oh, yeah,

681
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.159
<v Speaker 1>the assailant had a green hat, and then someone will

682
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 1>say did he Oh, okay, yeah he had a green hat,

683
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:37.920
<v Speaker 1>and then before you.

684
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:41.039
<v Speaker 2>Know it, it's a tainted witness pool. But it's it's like,

685
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:43.280
<v Speaker 2>but if you can get a situation where you have

686
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.519
<v Speaker 2>multiple people saying the same thing but they didn't talk

687
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:48.599
<v Speaker 2>to each other, and it's I don't know if it's

688
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:50.639
<v Speaker 2>just I don't want to get too off topic, but

689
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.119
<v Speaker 2>that's that's one of the things where when you talk

690
00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:56.119
<v Speaker 2>about Bigfoot and Yetti and Arizona, we have the muggy

691
00:36:56.119 --> 00:37:00.239
<v Speaker 2>on monster. But that topic is another one where or

692
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:06.119
<v Speaker 2>you have geographically separated cultures that have the same stories

693
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 2>that go back thousands of years. People in Asia and

694
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:11.880
<v Speaker 2>North America and you know, different parts all over the

695
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:15.159
<v Speaker 2>globe that never talk to each other, but they're reporting

696
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:18.760
<v Speaker 2>they have similar stories about that thing. And that's what

697
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.039
<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm talking about. So it's just kind of like,

698
00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, when people say, oh, Bigfoot's not real, you

699
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.559
<v Speaker 2>can be like, okay, well, explain to me, why you

700
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:31.199
<v Speaker 2>have people that are geographically separated and have stories that

701
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:34.920
<v Speaker 2>go back thousands of years describing this thing and they're

702
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:39.079
<v Speaker 2>all pretty similar. It's like, explain that so and people can't.

703
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.840
<v Speaker 1>So absolutely, It's a bit like how can they're building

704
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.760
<v Speaker 1>pyramids all over the world, you know, and all the

705
00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:47.199
<v Speaker 1>all these different continents all went for the pyramid structures.

706
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.159
<v Speaker 2>We were actually just talking about that two days ago.

707
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.280
<v Speaker 2>We were at work and we were kind of talking

708
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.960
<v Speaker 2>about there's that new that new story that came out

709
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:59.280
<v Speaker 2>saying how they believe there's pillars now onto these pyramids

710
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.480
<v Speaker 2>and you know, because originally that they thought that they

711
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:03.559
<v Speaker 2>were like tombs or you know, hey, they're just probably

712
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:06.800
<v Speaker 2>just burial whatever. But yeah, we were talking about that

713
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:10.480
<v Speaker 2>exact thing where the pyramids and all over the world

714
00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:13.079
<v Speaker 2>are built in very the same in very similar fashion.

715
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:16.599
<v Speaker 2>So I get it. We're all human, right, The all

716
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:19.199
<v Speaker 2>human brain kind of works in similar ways. So you know,

717
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:22.000
<v Speaker 2>if you separate humans, you're probably gonna, like if you

718
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:25.039
<v Speaker 2>separate tigers, they're probably going to act in the same

719
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:28.360
<v Speaker 2>way in a different area, you know, just like humans would.

720
00:38:28.360 --> 00:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>But you know, pyramids are another thing where you know

721
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:36.760
<v Speaker 2>you're building those pyramids that they built are perfectly built there.

722
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I think they're like what off by like a seimeter

723
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:42.440
<v Speaker 2>or something like that, and it's the technology to do that.

724
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:45.840
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing to me how the pyramids are. You know,

725
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:48.159
<v Speaker 2>they had the manual labor to build them back in

726
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 2>the day, right, that's not the issue. The issue to

727
00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:53.199
<v Speaker 2>me and what intrigues me about the pyramids is the

728
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:56.960
<v Speaker 2>fact that the precision that they were built, Like how

729
00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.159
<v Speaker 2>do they do that such a large, massive structure to

730
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.519
<v Speaker 2>build them as precisely as they did, Because it's like

731
00:39:03.559 --> 00:39:05.480
<v Speaker 2>if you tried to do that today, that would be

732
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:08.519
<v Speaker 2>an extremely hard feat even with today's technology.

733
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Ah, history, there's so many questions left unanswered to our history.

734
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.559
<v Speaker 1>I think there was such a bulk of information that's missing.

735
00:39:17.559 --> 00:39:19.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, I mean you could you go all over

736
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:21.519
<v Speaker 2>the globe and find different things, like even in the

737
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:24.480
<v Speaker 2>UK was Stonehenge, you know, I mean those rocks that

738
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:28.000
<v Speaker 2>were they were brought in from like such a far distance.

739
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:31.400
<v Speaker 2>And it's I think when you talk about like what's

740
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.079
<v Speaker 2>the afterlife or whatever, like what happens when you pass away?

741
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:36.800
<v Speaker 2>One thing always thought about it's like they better explode,

742
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Like if there is a heaven. They better be able

743
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 2>to sit down. The first thing I want to do

744
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:42.559
<v Speaker 2>when I get there is I'm gonna say, hey, I

745
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.639
<v Speaker 2>want to know. I want to know what happened, Like,

746
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.119
<v Speaker 2>explain the pyramids to me, please, Like, explain this to me.

747
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Explain that to me. I'm gonna be asking a lot

748
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.199
<v Speaker 2>of questions. So and I know my Mom's going to

749
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:55.559
<v Speaker 2>be there and be like, hey, you'll never believe.

750
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:57.840
<v Speaker 1>It's a bit like there's a there's a temple over

751
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:02.079
<v Speaker 1>in Cambodia and as a stone convent on one of

752
00:40:02.079 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 1>the wolves and it's a it's a dinosaur. Did you

753
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:05.360
<v Speaker 1>ever hear of this?

754
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.599
<v Speaker 2>No? That, but Google as soon as I hang up

755
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:09.360
<v Speaker 2>the phone with you.

756
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this temple was built I think in the

757
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>twelfth century.

758
00:40:14.559 --> 00:40:16.199
<v Speaker 2>I believe that's that's weird.

759
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:17.239
<v Speaker 7>It's very weird.

760
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.039
<v Speaker 1>How did they know about dinosaurs?

761
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Then? Yeah, because someone said once they were talking about

762
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:26.000
<v Speaker 2>George Washington and they said that he never even knew

763
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:28.440
<v Speaker 2>what a dinosaur was and he kind of which kind

764
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.360
<v Speaker 2>of is kind of the interesting thing to think about.

765
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.079
<v Speaker 2>But when you talk about that's another thing too, When

766
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:36.400
<v Speaker 2>you talk about like the stuff that early humans were drawing,

767
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:40.440
<v Speaker 2>you take what they draw and then you compare it

768
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:43.639
<v Speaker 2>to technology that you see today. You know, a lot

769
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:46.679
<v Speaker 2>of that stuff is And before I say anything else, like,

770
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:49.360
<v Speaker 2>I believe in God and Heaven and Jesus and all

771
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:51.719
<v Speaker 2>that stuff too, But I believe in God and Heaven

772
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 2>and all that because for different reasons, reasons other than

773
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:57.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, someone in church told me what to believe.

774
00:40:58.239 --> 00:40:59.880
<v Speaker 2>But it's kind of like, and I think that you

775
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:03.199
<v Speaker 2>can believe in aliens and extrastial life and all this

776
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:05.639
<v Speaker 2>other stuff and still believe in God because I think

777
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of man's interpretation that misinterpretation mixed in.

778
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.519
<v Speaker 2>But it's like when you look at like you said earlier,

779
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:16.880
<v Speaker 2>with the cave drawings, there's so many things where what

780
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.760
<v Speaker 2>these early humans are depicting you can actually translate that

781
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.679
<v Speaker 2>into you can explain that with the technology of today.

782
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.639
<v Speaker 2>When they talk about these gods that came from the sky,

783
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:30.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, and they had the way that they depict

784
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:34.719
<v Speaker 2>some of these what they're wearing is basically like a spacesuit,

785
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.000
<v Speaker 2>and it's just kind of like, again, it's just kind

786
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>of like when you try to explain that to someone

787
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:42.480
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, no, no, that's not it, and you're like, well,

788
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:44.639
<v Speaker 2>you weren't there and you don't know what you're talking about,

789
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:47.280
<v Speaker 2>So how can you say definitively that this is what

790
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:49.360
<v Speaker 2>it is when you have no idea?

791
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:54.159
<v Speaker 1>So sixteen seventy seven, the first dinosaur bones were dug

792
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:58.400
<v Speaker 1>up by a Robert plot. He did actually believe it

793
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:02.639
<v Speaker 1>belonged to a giant human time, and there was a

794
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:07.079
<v Speaker 1>professor at the Oxford University which which then further identified it.

795
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:11.000
<v Speaker 1>So I mean even still sixteen seventy seven and eleven eighty,

796
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:13.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's still a big difference in time.

797
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, could you imagine being that person

798
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.519
<v Speaker 2>just trying to explain that whole situation too.

799
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.480
<v Speaker 1>It's just, you know, I could certainly understand why I

800
00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:27.000
<v Speaker 1>would think it would be a giant human being bones

801
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.159
<v Speaker 1>to a giant human beings, especially if you know, you

802
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:30.599
<v Speaker 1>go back and look at the Bible.

803
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:31.320
<v Speaker 7>And what kind of stuff.

804
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, that's crazy. I mean, and like I said,

805
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna I mean, like I said, there's all these

806
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:42.280
<v Speaker 2>stories that are coming out of Egypt now where of

807
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:46.000
<v Speaker 2>different things that they're finding using the I don't want

808
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:48.960
<v Speaker 2>to say the wrong word, but like this sonar type technology.

809
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:51.519
<v Speaker 2>I think they're just going to keep finding more and

810
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:54.679
<v Speaker 2>more stuff that's just gonna kind of open eyes up

811
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:58.000
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. And I'm telling you, once they send

812
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:02.320
<v Speaker 2>people to different place, like once they send humans to Mars,

813
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I think you're going to have some very interesting things

814
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:07.199
<v Speaker 2>that that are going to be found.

815
00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:10.239
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'm looking forward to that. And I kind

816
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:12.480
<v Speaker 1>of wish I was younger and you know, would have

817
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:14.920
<v Speaker 1>that opportunity to go there. I wouldn't admittedly, I wouldn't

818
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.159
<v Speaker 1>want to go on the first the first four waves

819
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.360
<v Speaker 1>of people going, you know, I let people get get

820
00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:23.280
<v Speaker 1>a customer acclimatized to the place first. But yeah, that

821
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:25.119
<v Speaker 1>is even though it was a kid, that was something

822
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I was always fascinated in.

823
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's it's interesting too when like I said,

824
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:32.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't get too much off topic, but it's I

825
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:37.000
<v Speaker 2>find it very interesting that, you know, we have the

826
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:41.119
<v Speaker 2>rover is on Mars, and it's there's all these different

827
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.400
<v Speaker 2>images and that have been sent back, and so many

828
00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:47.920
<v Speaker 2>people don't even pay attention to it, Like it's just

829
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of like it's just it's mind blowing to me

830
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:54.639
<v Speaker 2>that in some ways, like the the curiosity of man

831
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:58.039
<v Speaker 2>is just kind of diminished a little bit over the

832
00:43:58.119 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>years for for whatever reason.

833
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:02.679
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think these days, you know, we've been

834
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:06.480
<v Speaker 1>bombarded by so much information on the internet, social media

835
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:10.440
<v Speaker 1>and all that. When something you know potentially is grain breaking,

836
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:12.239
<v Speaker 1>it's like, yeah, next new story.

837
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it's I just like, like I said, going

838
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.679
<v Speaker 2>back to my mom, it's just kind of like I

839
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:19.639
<v Speaker 2>love being able to just talk to her and just

840
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.119
<v Speaker 2>kind up I could think of stuff. I always like

841
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.000
<v Speaker 2>to look at the stars and just kind of just

842
00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:27.639
<v Speaker 2>imagine what's out there. But there's so many people that don't.

843
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:30.960
<v Speaker 1>But now going back, going back on to topic with

844
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:37.679
<v Speaker 1>the private investigations, Yeah, do you actively invite more cases

845
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.559
<v Speaker 1>of the strange to come your way?

846
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. We started doing that a little bit, saying hey,

847
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 2>if you've had some unusual incidents, you know, let us know,

848
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:51.880
<v Speaker 2>because like I said, I'm curious about what people are reporting,

849
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:55.039
<v Speaker 2>and what I'll do is and we haven't had any

850
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.480
<v Speaker 2>for a little bit, but you know, when they when

851
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.800
<v Speaker 2>I do get them again, what the process is going

852
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:04.039
<v Speaker 2>to be is kind of do that initial interview, kind

853
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.360
<v Speaker 2>of see if the person is legitimate or not, and

854
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of get a feel of what's going on and

855
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:12.880
<v Speaker 2>then try to help them get to the right people.

856
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.480
<v Speaker 2>And there are investigators out there that that are I

857
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:18.239
<v Speaker 2>don't want to call them frauds, but they're kind of

858
00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:20.719
<v Speaker 2>they're not professional. So it's just kind of like I

859
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:24.039
<v Speaker 2>want to try to find ways to connect with people

860
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:26.519
<v Speaker 2>that are valid and they're going to actually help people

861
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:29.400
<v Speaker 2>try to get get answers to some of the stuff

862
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.639
<v Speaker 2>that they're experiencing. So but it's kind of like I

863
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 2>grew up, like I said, it was an eighties kid,

864
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:38.119
<v Speaker 2>and they grew up in the nineties. X Files was

865
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:39.880
<v Speaker 2>a big thing, and that's kind of what I based

866
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the book off of was that type

867
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:46.199
<v Speaker 2>of scenario. It's private investigator but from our X Files,

868
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:51.000
<v Speaker 2>but from a private investigator standpoint. So, but you know that,

869
00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.199
<v Speaker 2>and that's kind of way I look at it to

870
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:55.199
<v Speaker 2>where because remember I don't know if you remember the

871
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:58.920
<v Speaker 2>show X Files with with Molder and for the other girl,

872
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:00.400
<v Speaker 2>the right girl, old.

873
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:02.000
<v Speaker 7>Name, but the gorgeous Scully.

874
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:07.679
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, that's what exactly. But they'll look at they'll

875
00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:10.000
<v Speaker 2>look into things and they kind of look into things

876
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:13.159
<v Speaker 2>with an open mind, right where it's kind of like,

877
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not going to go to a ghost

878
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:20.199
<v Speaker 2>investigation looking for ghosts. I'm going to treat it just

879
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:22.960
<v Speaker 2>like law enforcement when I talk to I go to

880
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:26.239
<v Speaker 2>a domestic violence situation, and you know, I'm talking to

881
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 2>a man and a woman. I'm not going to immediately

882
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:30.360
<v Speaker 2>think that the the man's the suspect and the woman's

883
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:33.039
<v Speaker 2>the victim. I'm going to go in there with an

884
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:36.639
<v Speaker 2>open mind and say, Okay, what's going on and try

885
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:39.920
<v Speaker 2>to fact find and then figure stuff out. So but yeah,

886
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:42.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of looking forward to it. Twenty twenty five

887
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:46.199
<v Speaker 2>is where I'm kinda like I said, after my mom passed.

888
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Before she passed away, she would always kind of tell

889
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.039
<v Speaker 2>me like, you know, hey, do do what makes you happy.

890
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.800
<v Speaker 2>And I do enjoy the private investigation work with missing

891
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.199
<v Speaker 2>persons and stuff like that, because it's, you know, you

892
00:46:57.239 --> 00:46:59.119
<v Speaker 2>can try to find enclosure a little bit for people.

893
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:03.760
<v Speaker 2>But the stuff that is interesting to me the most, though,

894
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:07.960
<v Speaker 2>is it is the you know, the unidentified things, the

895
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:12.239
<v Speaker 2>unexplained things, and you know, it's always been something that's

896
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.639
<v Speaker 2>been curious to me. And I think I'm gonna delve

897
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:17.880
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more into that this year and next

898
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:19.280
<v Speaker 2>they kind of see where it leads.

899
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:21.760
<v Speaker 1>So what I always liked to buy Scully was that

900
00:47:22.039 --> 00:47:26.320
<v Speaker 1>one week she'd see something extraordinary, and then the following

901
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.360
<v Speaker 1>week she's back to being a skeptic again.

902
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And those are the people, though, that you kind

903
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:33.239
<v Speaker 2>of need in your life because they kind of keep

904
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:35.800
<v Speaker 2>your grounded a little bit, because you don't want to

905
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.880
<v Speaker 2>go down that rabbit hole of thinking that everything that

906
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:43.079
<v Speaker 2>you see is you know, paranormal, or that's the UFO

907
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:44.800
<v Speaker 2>and that's got to be an alien. It's like, and

908
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:46.559
<v Speaker 2>I've told my son, because we were talking about this,

909
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:50.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, a little while back, where I told him,

910
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:54.079
<v Speaker 2>he said something about, oh, that's an alien. I go, hey, buddy, no,

911
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:55.599
<v Speaker 2>I go, you got to think of it with an

912
00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:57.639
<v Speaker 2>open mind. I go, just because you see something in

913
00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:01.360
<v Speaker 2>the sky that you can't identify doesn't necessarily mean that

914
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 2>it's an alien or you know, not of this world.

915
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:05.880
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of like, I don't know if you

916
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:08.639
<v Speaker 2>remember the incident. It was off the coast of I

917
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:12.239
<v Speaker 2>think it was San Diego with the navy with the

918
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:15.360
<v Speaker 2>the U A P. That's the famous one. Were another

919
00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:17.199
<v Speaker 2>there's one that was off the coast of the Atlantic,

920
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:18.960
<v Speaker 2>and then there's one off the coast in the Pacific

921
00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:21.199
<v Speaker 2>where it was you know, they were messing around with

922
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:24.719
<v Speaker 2>the Navy, the Navy fleet that was in those those areas.

923
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:27.239
<v Speaker 2>But those are those are interesting cases too, and those

924
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:29.079
<v Speaker 2>go back to what I was talking about earlier, were

925
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:32.840
<v Speaker 2>the validity of the people that you're talking to, because

926
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:35.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, you had squadron commander that your fighter pilots

927
00:48:35.920 --> 00:48:37.599
<v Speaker 2>that were seeing this stuff and reporting it.

928
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.719
<v Speaker 1>So of course, yeah, we had Gary Vohees on the

929
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.639
<v Speaker 1>air a few years ago from the you know, from

930
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 1>the such case.

931
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:45.039
<v Speaker 7>Interesting.

932
00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, during your investigations, have you have you ever done

933
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Speaker 1>any missing persons that are very very difficult to to

934
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:55.719
<v Speaker 1>explain what happened?

935
00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean we've had somewhere, I mean, nothing that

936
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:02.920
<v Speaker 2>was you know, extraordinary, but we've had some that you know,

937
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:05.440
<v Speaker 2>just kind of like just kind of dead ended and

938
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:08.559
<v Speaker 2>they just kind of like gone, and even from police

939
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:11.519
<v Speaker 2>work where And that's the interesting thing too. Where the

940
00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:15.480
<v Speaker 2>first book I talked about we did, it's focused on

941
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:18.199
<v Speaker 2>the occurrence of time slips. I don't know if you've

942
00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:20.440
<v Speaker 2>ever heard of those, but they're one of the most

943
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:24.119
<v Speaker 2>interesting things that I've ever read about, and they they're

944
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:27.119
<v Speaker 2>extremely intriguing to me. But I always kind of think,

945
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:29.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, when you're you're doing a missing person case

946
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:33.159
<v Speaker 2>and you just can't find them, like it just seems

947
00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:36.360
<v Speaker 2>like they just just disappeared, and it kind of makes

948
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:39.800
<v Speaker 2>you wonder sometimes like what happened to them? Because even

949
00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:44.079
<v Speaker 2>in today's world, you have missing person cases where you know,

950
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:49.599
<v Speaker 2>everyone's got some sort of imprint on social media or something,

951
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.239
<v Speaker 2>especially in twenty twenty five. This stuff's been around for

952
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:56.239
<v Speaker 2>twenty years, twenty almost thirty years now, and so when

953
00:49:56.320 --> 00:50:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you have a missing person's case where you're looking for

954
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.000
<v Speaker 2>them and the trail just runs cold and you can't

955
00:50:03.039 --> 00:50:05.920
<v Speaker 2>find them and there's just nothing explains why they went away,

956
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of makes you wonder the small part of your brain.

957
00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:12.159
<v Speaker 2>You know, I can hear my mom talking to me, like, hey,

958
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:16.639
<v Speaker 2>maybe you know something out of the ordinary happened to them.

959
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.559
<v Speaker 2>It kind of always makes you wonder. But none stick

960
00:50:19.599 --> 00:50:22.119
<v Speaker 2>out off the top of my head. But I've I

961
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:25.639
<v Speaker 2>definitely had some over the years that have, like I said,

962
00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:29.960
<v Speaker 2>just rank cold. And if you ever, if your listeners

963
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:33.840
<v Speaker 2>want to take the time, you can actually go to

964
00:50:33.920 --> 00:50:38.159
<v Speaker 2>like different police departments websites and you know, google the

965
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:40.480
<v Speaker 2>county that you live in and say, you know, google

966
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the Maricopa County and missing persons and then it'll show

967
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.719
<v Speaker 2>all the different people that are missing, and it's kind

968
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:50.960
<v Speaker 2>of it's sad in a way. But like I said,

969
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.280
<v Speaker 2>there's there's times where there's just people that just seem

970
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:56.840
<v Speaker 2>to have vanished, and it's kind of it's extremely odd.

971
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is some some in which happens all over

972
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:03.280
<v Speaker 1>the world. A lot of people go missing every year,

973
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:06.079
<v Speaker 1>and it is, like you said, literally into thin air.

974
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:10.199
<v Speaker 1>I know in Japan. I'm not saying this is predominantly

975
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:12.159
<v Speaker 1>the case in the West of this. I like this,

976
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.719
<v Speaker 1>but I know in Japan there are certain agencies and

977
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:20.039
<v Speaker 1>companies which which specialize in making people vanish. To say,

978
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:23.639
<v Speaker 1>for some forever reason people want to get lost, they

979
00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:27.360
<v Speaker 1>will help you vanish. Basically, I'm talking about probably more

980
00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:31.000
<v Speaker 1>in an identity type way as that kind of thing.

981
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:33.440
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but that is a thing. It's a very

982
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:36.719
<v Speaker 1>different culture over there, obviously when it comes to life

983
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:41.199
<v Speaker 1>and success. But yeah, people do that, which is sad.

984
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:41.440
<v Speaker 2>You know.

985
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Obviously obviously anytime someone goes missing for whatever reason is

986
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:46.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, is tragic.

987
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like I said, it's just it's interesting because what

988
00:51:49.880 --> 00:51:53.039
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about where people that those are usually people

989
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:56.400
<v Speaker 2>with resources and they have the you know aka money,

990
00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:59.440
<v Speaker 2>and they can kind of do those things. But there's

991
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:03.079
<v Speaker 2>just plenty of of cases where John Doe just ends

992
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:07.360
<v Speaker 2>up becoming you know, just just gone, and the family

993
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:09.960
<v Speaker 2>will be like, yeah, there was no I don't know

994
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:13.719
<v Speaker 2>what happened, and it just kind of they're just there's

995
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:18.159
<v Speaker 2>no reason whatsoever. They just kind of like they just disappear. So, yeah, we.

996
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Had we had an internet in my time. That was

997
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:22.800
<v Speaker 1>back in the night. As this lady went went missing

998
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:26.400
<v Speaker 1>in the finite, she completely vanished. Even psychics were used

999
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:29.679
<v Speaker 1>and they got to one point where they found her

1000
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.920
<v Speaker 1>car and glasses, you know, which she was never without,

1001
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:35.480
<v Speaker 1>but that was it. There was no trace of it

1002
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:37.519
<v Speaker 1>ever found. It was very sad.

1003
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then like I said, it's it's missing. That's

1004
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:41.920
<v Speaker 2>part of the reason why I do the missing person

1005
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:45.280
<v Speaker 2>cases because you know, from cop work, it's just kind

1006
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:50.079
<v Speaker 2>of you can usually you can find people, it's especially

1007
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:53.920
<v Speaker 2>in today's world, but it's just those ones that they

1008
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:57.239
<v Speaker 2>just kind of they just seem to disappear. That just

1009
00:52:57.320 --> 00:52:59.159
<v Speaker 2>intrigued me. Like I said, it kind of you have

1010
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:01.199
<v Speaker 2>to have an open mind about stuff.

1011
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:04.800
<v Speaker 1>So that's why it's sort about an open mind. Okay,

1012
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:08.559
<v Speaker 1>now you looks Jason, the nine one eight files are

1013
00:53:08.639 --> 00:53:12.119
<v Speaker 1>these actual cases, and what you've done is you've built

1014
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:13.599
<v Speaker 1>a story around them.

1015
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So so I have I have four books that

1016
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:19.880
<v Speaker 2>are out. So the main books they are the three

1017
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:23.480
<v Speaker 2>of them. There's one that's one it's in Gilbert, Arizona,

1018
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:27.239
<v Speaker 2>focuses on time slips and it kind of the main

1019
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:29.719
<v Speaker 2>books are their fiction. I just kind of created them

1020
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:31.840
<v Speaker 2>and just use my creative mind and just kind of

1021
00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:36.239
<v Speaker 2>took topics that I find interesting. But what I did

1022
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.039
<v Speaker 2>with the book that's called The Shortcases just to kind

1023
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:42.960
<v Speaker 2>of entertain readers a little bit. Some of the stories

1024
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:46.440
<v Speaker 2>are absolutely just pure fiction where I created them sitting

1025
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:49.119
<v Speaker 2>down thinking of weird stuff and just kind of came

1026
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.280
<v Speaker 2>up with the ideas of my own. Some of the

1027
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:55.440
<v Speaker 2>stories are based in reality, so what happened. There will

1028
00:53:55.480 --> 00:54:00.800
<v Speaker 2>be situations where there it's certain things happened, and then

1029
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I created the story off of that incident. And then

1030
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.960
<v Speaker 2>so it's kind of like quasi. It's a mixture of

1031
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.800
<v Speaker 2>fiction and nonfiction. And then there's a couple in there

1032
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:14.960
<v Speaker 2>that are actually legitimate stories that actually happened that we

1033
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:18.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of kind of ran across and kind of investigated.

1034
00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:21.199
<v Speaker 2>So but yeah, it was. It was fun writing the

1035
00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:24.440
<v Speaker 2>books because, like I said, it kind of it allows

1036
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:27.239
<v Speaker 2>me to to kind of take some of the all

1037
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:30.360
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that's in my brain and kind of put

1038
00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:34.000
<v Speaker 2>into writing. So it's just it was fun. And the

1039
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:36.159
<v Speaker 2>thing that sucked is that I was so close to

1040
00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:38.280
<v Speaker 2>finishing the first book and I had made my mom

1041
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:40.719
<v Speaker 2>my character in the first book, and then she passed away,

1042
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<v Speaker 2>like right before we finished it. But she used to

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<v Speaker 2>be a cab driver in England back in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>and I always say she was. She wasn't a very

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<v Speaker 2>good one, but she was, you know, she was a

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<v Speaker 2>cab driver. I'll give her that. But that's part of

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<v Speaker 2>the story. Is where in the first book, where the

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00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the guy that did the time clip, he ended up

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<v Speaker 2>coming back to today's time and he almost gets hit

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<v Speaker 2>by a cab driver, which is you know, my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's your character.

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<v Speaker 7>So oh good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'll do is, Jason, you know, I'll put the

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<v Speaker 1>links to your books down below in a description and

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it would be they would be wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>additions to anyone's bookshelf. Things like that fascinate me when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to missing persons, the paranormal, you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>all wrapped up like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to find the time to write the next one,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to base it in England because, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said earlier, the main character is it's based kind

1062
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:38.760
<v Speaker 2>of loosely off of me and then one of my

1063
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<v Speaker 2>old one of my my friends that that's retired Phoenix

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<v Speaker 2>police officer. And then but the physicality is the description

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<v Speaker 2>of the of the the investigator is based off of

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<v Speaker 2>my great grandpa. So but yeah, he was a shorter

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<v Speaker 2>guy and he just World War One veteran and just

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<v Speaker 2>as British as you could be. Everything my mom tells me,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, kind of my my brother because he's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit older than me. He got to grow

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<v Speaker 2>up with him a little bit. But he's just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you think of an English gentleman, that's that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what I think of, you know, papcuoram so.

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<v Speaker 1>So we may have elements of short homes in.

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<v Speaker 2>There, yeah, a little bit. Yeah, So when I do

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<v Speaker 2>the the next one, that's kind of what I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking of because kind of throwing a little little shirtlock

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00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:27.280
<v Speaker 2>stuff in there, and you know, kind of mixed in

1079
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<v Speaker 2>some British history with the investigative aspects of it.

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<v Speaker 7>So good stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And would you also like us to ads your

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<v Speaker 1>investigation business as well, where people can maybe contact you

1083
00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:43.760
<v Speaker 1>and it might not necessarily be to do with the paranormal,

1084
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:46.400
<v Speaker 1>it might just be you know, running the mail type cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's Zona Investigations and that's z o NA

1086
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:55.320
<v Speaker 2>and then Investigations dot Com because yeah, because like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the odd unusual stuff. I always do those for

1088
00:56:59.199 --> 00:57:02.400
<v Speaker 2>free because the payment is just in it's it's in

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00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:06.519
<v Speaker 2>the work itself, you know. So but like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>the world is a extremely weird place and I just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like it's just very intriguing, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>love it.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I was going to ask, what would you

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<v Speaker 1>put on the invoice for say, a haunting.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question. But I just I still remember

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<v Speaker 2>that the light switch one where I was just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like I'm out and the lady was just kind

1098
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:32.159
<v Speaker 2>of like looked at me, and I said, no, I'm not,

1099
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<v Speaker 2>I'm out. There's no fee, We're good. Whatever you're saying

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<v Speaker 2>happening it's valid, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Good stuff, Jason. Fascinating that, Jason. I really appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>coming on sharing all that for our listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was an absolute pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>It was wonderful meeting you. Okay, keep in contact Jason,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, and we will speak soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I get you remember now, so we'll stay in

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<v Speaker 2>touch definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>And a new friend is made. Enjoyed a Russian night, Jason,

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<v Speaker 1>and take care to you. Well that's all for this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep updated and connected with a show on x, Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>and Instagram. And if you have an encounter that you'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to share on the podcast, you can email me

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<v Speaker 1>at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you can

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<v Speaker 1>reach out to me via the contact page on my

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<v Speaker 1>website ufo Chronicles podcast dot com. A big fan, you

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<v Speaker 1>adjacent for sharing tonight, and as always, thank you all

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<v Speaker 1>for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,

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<v Speaker 1>stay safe and keep watching the skies.

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<v Speaker 7>Goodbye, built

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<v Speaker 6>Then