Speaker 1: Okay, picture this July sixth, twenty twenty two, about four
in the morning, dead quiet and Elberton, Georgia, right, and
then boom, an explosion. It rips through this huge granite monument,
something that had been standing there for what over forty years?
Speaker 2: Yeah, since nineteen eighty, the Georgia Guidestones exactly.
Speaker 1: And this wasn't just you know, a stack of boulders.
It was polished, massive and carved with this really cryptic,
very controversial message for all of.
Speaker 2: Humanity, super conversial. So the big questions are what was
this thing? Yeah, what did it actually say? And who
on Earth builds something.
Speaker 1: Like that only for someone else to blow it up
decades later. It's a fascinating story, it really is.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the deep dive today. We're digging into a
whole stack of sources on the Georgia guidestones. We're going
to unpack the mystery of how they were built. Look
closely at those intriguing, sometimes kind of disturbing messages m HM,
trace the long hunt for the guy who commissioned them,
and then get into the really strange circumstances around their
destruction just recently.
Speaker 1: Right. Our goal here, our mission for this deep dive
is to walk you through all those details. We want
to understand the different layers here, the meaning, the controversy, everything,
the source is present, and.
Speaker 2: See what insights we can maybe pull from this really unique,
kind of weird piece of history in its message.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into it. Part one, the monument itself.
How did this whole thing even start?
Speaker 2: Well, the story really kicks off back in June of
nineteen seventy nine. This very well dressed, articulate man shows
up in Elberton, Georgia. Now Elberton calls himself the granite
capital of the world.
Speaker 1: Makes sense to go there then, exactly.
Speaker 2: He introduces himself using a pseudonym Robert C. Christian RC
Christian RC Christian. Okay, and he goes straight to the
top to Joe Finley, president of the Elberton Granite Finishing Company,
with this well extraordinary request. He wants to build a monument,
something huge, something on the scale of like Stonehenge.
Speaker 1: Wow, and the sources mentioned he'd actually been to Stonehenge, right,
but it was missing something.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. He was impressed, sure, but he felt it
lacked a clear message. His monument, this monument was going
to speak loudly, yeah, to future generations.
Speaker 1: Okay, so not just big rocks. It had a purpose
from the start, a.
Speaker 2: Very specific purpose. RC Christian claimed he was representing a
quote small group of loyal Americans said they've been planning
this whole thing in secret for twenty years.
Speaker 1: Twenty years. That's dedication or.
Speaker 2: Something, right. And he came with incredibly detailed plans. Four
massive granite slabs, kind of like spokes on a wheel,
the central stone, big capstone on top. The whole thing.
Foundation included nearly two hundred and forty thousand pounds.
Speaker 1: That's hard to even picture. Sixteen feet tall. You say,
sixteen feet.
Speaker 2: Tall, Yeah, just enormous, and like you said, not just
big rocks. The message was key. He specified ten guidelines
and they had to be inscribed in eight modern languages.
Speaker 1: Eight which ones let's see.
Speaker 2: English, Spanish, Russian, Chinese, Arabic, Hebrew, Hindi, and Swahili global reach.
And that wasn't all. He also insisted on having parts
of the message in four dead languages, dead languages like Babylonian, Cuneiform,
Egyptian hieroglyphics, Sanskrit, and classical Greek.
Speaker 1: Okay, This guy wasn't messing around. He wanted this message
scene understood maybe across time and cultures.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But maybe the most fascinating part, the thing that
really hints at the deeper purpose, according to the sources,
were the astronomical requirements.
Speaker 1: Ah yes, the alignments tell us about those.
Speaker 2: He demanded incredible precision. The four big outer stones had
to be positioned to track the migration of the Moon
through the year. Okay. Then a little hole drilled to
the center stone, angled just so so it always pointed
directly at the north star Polaris, no matter of the season.
Speaker 1: Like a permanent gidepost exactly, and.
Speaker 2: A slot cut through the capstone lined up perfectly with
the sunrise on the solstices winter and summer, and it
would mark noon on the equinoxes. Plus another hole straight
through the capstone, designed so a beam of sunlight would
hit the central pillar at noon each day, indicating the
day of the year.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't just a monument. It was a clock,
a calendar, a compass, all rolled into one massive engineering challenge.
Speaker 2: Huge precision work. And then Arci Christian adds this final
kind of chilling request to Joe Finley. The granite guy.
What was that He said the stones needed to be
built to a stand the end of the world.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, that definitely ups the NTY. What did Finley
think of all this?
Speaker 2: Well, Finley's company mostly did things like statues, tombstones, you know,
nothing like this. The sources say he initially thought Christian
was well, a bit eccentric, maybe nuts, yeah, blame him. So. Reportedly,
Finley quoted this ridiculously high price way more than usual,
probably hoping to just scare Christian off, mentioned needing special equipment, consultants,
the works.
Speaker 1: And did it work.
Speaker 2: Nope. Christian apparently just nodded calmly and asked how long
it would take.
Speaker 1: He wasn't phased at all.
Speaker 2: Not a bit. Finley said maybe six months, maybe more,
but first he needed to prove Christian actually had the money,
serious money, which led Christian to ask Finley for a
recommendation a trustworthy.
Speaker 1: Local banker, and Finley sent him to.
Speaker 2: Wyatt Martin, president of the Granite City Bank.
Speaker 1: Finley might have even been slightly amused sending him over there.
And this is where the secrecy really locks in, right
with the banker exactly.
Speaker 2: This is crucial. Martin tells Christian, look, I can't handle
these funds under a fake name. The account has to
be in your real name.
Speaker 1: Makes sense, banking regulations and all that.
Speaker 2: Right, Christian agrees, according to the sources, but only on
one condition. Martin had to swear he would never tell
anyone Christian's true identity ever or the names of the
group he supposedly represented a secret pact, and Wyatt Martin
kept that promise for thirty five years, the sources say,
right up until he died.
Speaker 1: Incredible. So the money gets transferred, Christian buys the land.
Speaker 2: Yep five acres, highest point in the county, specially chosen
so it could be seen from all around, and then
poof arci, Christian basically vanishes. Construction starts, but he never
comes back to.
Speaker 1: The site, just disappears after setting this whole, massive, mysterious
project in motion, just like that.
Speaker 2: The guidestones were eventually finished and unveiled publicly on March
twenty second, nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: Which is the vernal equinox, right, fitting, very fitting, tying
into those astronomical features.
Speaker 2: Hundreds of people showed up, media, locals, even the congressman.
It was a big deal. The structure itself was undeniably impressive,
sixteen feet high slabs huge capstone, and.
Speaker 1: Over time it became this weird tourist attraction, drawing people
who were curious about the stones themselves, but maybe more
about the message carved into them.
Speaker 2: That's really the core of it, isn't it. The ten
rules sam blasted right onto the granite, sometimes called the
New Ten Commandments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get into those. What did they actually say?
Speaker 2: Okay? Here are the ten guidelines, straight from the stones.
Speaker 1: Number one, maintain humanity under five hundred million in PA
actual balance with nature.
Speaker 2: Two guide reproduction wisely improving fitness and diversity.
Speaker 1: Three unite humanity with a living new language.
Speaker 2: Four rule passion, faith, tradition, and all things with tempered reason.
Speaker 1: Five Protect people in nations with fair laws and just courts.
Speaker 2: Six let all nations rule internally, resolving external disputes in
a world court.
Speaker 1: Seven avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Speaker 2: Eight balance personal rights with social duties.
Speaker 1: Nine prize truth, beauty, love, seeking, harmony with the infinite.
Speaker 2: And ten be not a cancer on the earth. Leave
room for nature, Leave room for nature.
Speaker 1: Okay, So reading those, some of them sound, you know,
pretty reasonable on the surface balance with nature, prize, truth, beauty, love,
fair laws, stuff most people might not along with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at first glance, some seem quite positive, almost sage like,
right like guiding principles for a better world.
Speaker 1: But there's always a butt with this story.
Speaker 2: There definitely is, because, as the sources we looked at
really emphasize, when you start digging a bit deeper, looking
at the implications, well that's when things get unsettling for
a lot of people. That's the root of all the controversy, right.
Speaker 1: This is where the interpretations start flying, the ones that
fuel debate for decades, and the sources highlight one major
interpretation that these aren't friendly suggestions. They're instructions, a blueprint
for a quote new world order.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and within that view, the rules are seen as
calling for some pretty extreme things eugenics, massive depopulation, basically genocide,
and a one world government.
Speaker 1: Now, the sources do note this is often called a
conspiracy theory, but they immediately follow up by saying the
rules themselves offer quote plenty of evidence for that interpretation.
Speaker 2: Let's break that down, starting with rule number one, that's
the big one. Maintain humanity under five hundred.
Speaker 1: Million under five hundred million. Okay. Current world population is
pushing eight billion.
Speaker 2: Right, so getting down to five hundred million that means
eliminating something like ninety four percent of all people on Earth.
Speaker 1: That's horrifying, just unimaginable.
Speaker 2: It's a staggering number. And the sources immediately start connecting
this idea to certain groups often mentioned in these kinds
of discussions, like the Club of Rome.
Speaker 1: The Club of Rome, who are?
Speaker 2: They describe to the sources as intellectuals, business leaders discussing
global problems, but the sources stressed that its origins aren't
widely publicized. Allegedly started in nineteen sixty eight at a
secret meeting on Rockefeller's private estate.
Speaker 1: Rockefeller again, okay, And this idea of population reduction wasn't
unique to the guidestones, according to the.
Speaker 2: Sources, apparently not. Just months after the guidestones went up
August nineteen eighty, the sources quote a Club of Rome member,
Howard Odom, saying the US needed to cut its population
by two thirds in fifty years.
Speaker 1: Two thirds did he say how?
Speaker 2: The sources say he didn't specify how, but some interpretations
involved things like well stopping breeding to cut the population
drastically in one generation.
Speaker 1: Yikes. The sources also mentioned another group, right, the Builderberg.
Speaker 2: Group, Yeah, formed back in fifty four. Publicly it was
about preventing war, but they're famous for their super secret meetings,
which fuels a lot of speculation.
Speaker 1: And the theory presented in the sources.
Speaker 2: The theory is that Dilderberg members think population growth is
out of control, unsustainable, and one alleged method they might
consider causing pandemics.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, that's a huge claim.
Speaker 2: It is. The sources go on to suggest that this
group tries to keep its planned secret, maybe by consolidating media,
using government censorship sup pressing opposing views.
Speaker 1: Do the sources offer proof for that Builderberg connection.
Speaker 2: They acknowledge that government pressure on media has happened, they
say examples involving Trump, Biden, Twitter, but they're clear that
a direct link proving Builderberg is specifically behind that censorship
hasn't been established. It's presented as part of the theory.
Speaker 1: But the connections get tighter, according to the sources. Yeah,
between these groups.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The sources claim the Club of Rome essentially writes
foreign policy for the Bildberg Group, and that the Club
of Rome supposedly supports massive depopulation by any means necessary.
Speaker 1: Any means necessary. That's ominous. And the sources bring up
World War II connections here, too, don't.
Speaker 2: They They do. It's a point that sources make sure
to include. They highlight that the founder of the Builderberg Group,
Prince Bernard, was actually a Naziss officer at the start
of WWII.
Speaker 1: A Naziss officers.
Speaker 2: That's what the sources state. They do add he switched
sides later and fought for the Allies, but his initial
Nazi affiliation is presented as you know, significant context within
this whole narrative.
Speaker 1: Definitely a heavy connection to draw. Okay, let's move to
the second rule, guide reproduction wisely improving fitness and diversity.
The sounds loaded, very loaded.
Speaker 2: The sources say this point straight at eugenics, and apparently
arc Christian himself wrote more about this. He wrote a
book yeah reportedly sent it to Congress in nineteen eighty
six called Common Sense Renewed. The source is analyze this
text and.
Speaker 1: What did it say about guiding reproduction?
Speaker 2: According to the analysis and the sources, Christian argued for
urgent government population policies taking priority even over national defense.
He believed the government should have a say and who has.
Speaker 1: Kids, government deciding who breeds.
Speaker 2: Essentially yeah, emphasizing responsible parenting based on genetics and environment.
The stated goal, according to the sources reading his text,
was creating a generation that was slightly superior intellectually, physically.
Speaker 1: Socially slightly superior.
Speaker 2: His writings apparently pushed for single child families for dramatic improvements,
discouraging irresponsible childbearing with legal and social pressure. The sources
say his text suggested only worthy people should reproduce, aiming
for genetically superior children.
Speaker 1: That sounds exactly like eugenics.
Speaker 2: The sources flat out called eugenics. They say it's what
the Nazis did or tried to do, and note that
while it's usually considered a war crime.
Speaker 1: The sources add that chilling bit, Yeah, not a crime
in the new World order exactly.
Speaker 2: And this thread eugenics and population control is linked back
again to Rockefeller. In the sources, he founded something called
the Population Council in nineteen fifty four.
Speaker 1: And its purpose, according to the sources, its stated.
Speaker 2: Purpose as presented was funding research into birth control and
an early pregnancy termination, specifically targeting people with undesirable genetics.
Speaker 1: Undesirable genetics. Who decides that that's.
Speaker 2: The terrifying question, isn't it. The sources even quote Rockefeller
worrying about modern society undermining natural selection leading to a
downward trend in genetic quality. He wanted an organization focused
on reducing fertility among weaker individuals with undesirable genetics.
Speaker 1: This is disturbing stuff. And the sources say this council is.
Speaker 2: Still active, very active, And there's a claim mentioned that
a member supported forced sterilization as recently as twenty twenty.
The sources also point out where the council works today, Asia,
Latin America, the.
Speaker 1: Middle East, and the observation is.
Speaker 2: North America and Europe aren't on that list. The focus
seems to be largely on non white populations.
Speaker 1: Yeh.
Speaker 2: And the biggest funder reportedly the US government.
Speaker 1: Wow. There's also a kind of paradox the sources touch
on right about population.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. While you have these groups allegedly worried
about overpopulation, global public health efforts over the same decades
were dramatically increasing life expectancy, decreasing infant deaths worldwide. So
there's this tension.
Speaker 1: Improving lives while simultaneously wanting fewer people. Okay, so we
have population control eugenics. What about the one world government idea?
Where does that come from?
Speaker 2: And the rules mostly from Rules three and six. According
to the sources.
Speaker 1: Analysis, Rule three unite humanity with a living new language, and.
Speaker 2: Rule six let all nations rule internally, resolving external disputes
in a world court.
Speaker 1: A world court and a new language.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interpreted by some, as the sources explain, as clear
steps toward getting rid of nations as we know them
and setting up a single global authority, the New World Order.
Speaker 1: And for religious people this triggered different alarms.
Speaker 2: It did. The sources mentioned. Local ministers saw this a
common language, a world government, and thought of the Book
of Revelation warnings about the Antichrist.
Speaker 1: Which brings us to Rule four rule passion, faith, tradition,
and all things with tempered reason. That must have ruffled
some feathers.
Speaker 2: Big time, especially for Christians. The sources say. Elevating tempered
reason above faith seemed like a direct challenge to the
first commandment, you know no other gods before me.
Speaker 1: So these perceived anti faith messages had consequences at the
site itself.
Speaker 2: Apparently so, the sources report that the guidestones became a magnet.
Four well other kinds of activities, alleged satanic worship, witchcraft,
pagan rituals. Locals reported seeing strange lights, hearing chanting, melted candles,
even reports of animal sacrifices were found there.
Speaker 1: Just get stranger and stranger? Are there other theories? The
source mentioned a few.
Speaker 2: Others get a brief mention claims it was built on
sacred hopey land, tied to a hope prophecy theories about
it sitting on late lines, these alleged energy lines connecting
places like the Pyramids, Stonehenge, the Great wall.
Speaker 1: Ah, the mystical energy grid idea.
Speaker 2: Right, and connections to the Rosicrucians, that old mystical society.
Speaker 1: Lots of layers, definitely, But for so long the biggest
question mark hung over RC Christian himself. Who was this guy?
Wyatt Martin the banker held that secret?
Speaker 2: Type? He really did? For thirty five years apparently, they
supposedly wrote letters back and forth, Christian checking In Martin
got hounded by reporters everyone, but never cracked the truth
or what the sources present as the truth only really
surfaced after Martin died in late twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: One, but Martin had dropped some hints over the years,
maybe unintentionally.
Speaker 2: Seems like it. He'd confirmed Christian died sometime after two thousand,
that he had a daughter, did basic training in Georgia
during WWII, gave her the Midwest, worked in construction at
some point, little breadcrumbs, and the.
Speaker 1: Big break came during that documentary filming in two thousand
and five, Dark Clouds over Elberton.
Speaker 2: That was apparently the turning point. The film crew, sources say,
pressured Martin, who was quite ill by then, to show
them the letters from Christian. He was hesitant but agreed.
Tried to cover the return addresses.
Speaker 1: But the camera call one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the cameraman got a close up of a return address.
The sources note this was maybe ethically questionable taking advantage.
Speaker 1: Of them, but it yielded the clue.
Speaker 2: It yielded the clue. Internet detectives, as the sources call them,
took that address and ran with it.
Speaker 1: And who did they trace it back to? Who was
RC Christian? According to these sources.
Speaker 2: Doctor Herbert Hinsey Kirsten, a surgeon reportedly from Fort Dodge, Iowa.
Speaker 1: Doctor Herbert Hinsey Kirsten does his life match the clues
Martin dropped.
Speaker 2: Pretty closely, according to the sources. First off, Kirsten is
an Old German form of Christian Ah.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: His obituary, referenced in the sources says he died in
two thousand and five. That fits the after two thousand
clue he served in WWII. Another match. His oh bit
apparently described him as a conservationist, a naturalist involved in
environmental and world population issues.
Speaker 1: That lines up perfectly with the guidestone steams big time.
Speaker 2: And he'd work construction younger in life. Another hit.
Speaker 1: So the pieces seem to fit. But the sources point
out a contradiction, don't they about his family?
Speaker 2: They do. The man whose monument advocated for potentially limiting
humanity to five hundred million, maybe through things like one
child policies, reportedly had four children himself four children.
Speaker 1: The sources flag that as potential hypocrisy. Right rules for
thee but not for me kind of thing exactly.
Speaker 2: That perceived hypocrisy comes up, And then the sources dig
into doctor Kirston's connections, and this is where it gets
well even more disturbing. According to the material we reviewed.
Speaker 1: Well, kind of connections.
Speaker 2: The sources mentioned he was friends with William Shockley.
Speaker 1: Shockley, the Nobel Prize winner physics.
Speaker 2: That's the one, but the sources emphasize Shockley's other side.
He was apparently infamous for being a racist and a
huge opponent of eugenics.
Speaker 1: Really, what were his views?
Speaker 2: Detailed in the sources? Shockley believed less intelligent people were
having too many kids, lowering overall intelligence. He believed some
races were just inherently smarter than others. Awful stuff.
Speaker 1: And doctor Kuston aka Arc Christian.
Speaker 2: According to the source material, Kirsten reportedly shared similar eugenic views,
and maybe the most shocking claim presented in the sources,
doctor Custon was apparently a supporter of David Duke to
the Duke.
Speaker 1: The former KKK Grand Wizard.
Speaker 2: That's what the sources state. A supporter of David Duke.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, that casts the guidestones in an even darker light.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and the sources acknowledge how serious and controversial these
lings are. Then reflecting a viewpoint within the source material itself,
the question is almost immediately posed, maybe it's not so
bad that somebody blew these things up.
Speaker 1: Eh, that's a stark reaction presented in the source, basically
suggesting these connections might justify the destruction for some people.
Speaker 2: It really captures the intent city of feeling around this,
which brings us finally to the end of the guidestones.
That explosion July sixth, twenty twenty two four am.
Speaker 1: Surveillance video shows someone approaching placing something than The blast
destroys one whole monolith and a car speeds away.
Speaker 2: Right and the aftermath is where the sources raise more questions.
Things they find strange.
Speaker 1: Like the cleanup exactly.
Speaker 2: Heavy equipment comes in, removes the damage, monument cleans the
site within hours. The question post is why wasn't it
treated like a major crime scene for longer preserving evidence?
Speaker 1: Good question, The ATF was there right, beer of alcohol, tobacco, firearms,
and explosives.
Speaker 2: They were reportedly on site right away, But the sources
question the lack of public information since then. What kind
of explosive was it? What about the trigger? They point
to the quick removal of debris as highly unusual for an.
Speaker 1: Investigation, and the getaway car.
Speaker 2: Caught leaving the site on camera middle of the night.
But apparently no footage of it further down the road,
even in that remote area.
Speaker 1: Strange, So who would do it? What are the motivations
suggested in the sources.
Speaker 2: Could be strongly anti government, seeing the Stones as that
New World Order blueprint, or maybe just someone fed up
with the perceived hypocrisy.
Speaker 1: That hypocrisy angle. Again, the sources really emphasize that, don't they.
Speaker 2: They do, highlighting people linked to population control ideas having
large families themselves Rockefeller with six kids, shockly with three,
kirsed in with four.
Speaker 1: And the sources connect this to wealth and power too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The perspective presented is that these figures often gained
wealth through the various systems of human growth in industry
they later seem to want to limit for others.
Speaker 1: They also mentioned the climate change angle.
Speaker 2: Right that many elites pushing for controls on cars energy
pollution historically benefited from things like oil like JD. Rockefeller's family,
or big manufacturing like Aurelio Pitchy, co founder of the
Club of Rome, who's tied to FIAT.
Speaker 1: So the argument presented is to kind of do as
I say, not as I did on a grand scale.
Speaker 2: That seems to be the core of the critique presented
in the sources. There's this idea that global problems could
be solved by everyone working together innovation, etc. But the
sources suggest these elites, maybe thinking they're genetically superior or
others aren't smart enough, opt for control.
Speaker 1: Instead, And it's plausible the sources suggest that whoever blew
up the guidestones knew about all this. The hypocrisy, the
controversial connections.
Speaker 2: Very possible, maybe even likely, according to the sources.
Speaker 1: How does the source speaker wrap up their feelings on
the destruction.
Speaker 2: It's really mixed. They explicitly condemn the bombing as vandalism, vigilantism,
say decisions about monuments should be democratic, involved voting. Hope
the person responsible is caught and jailed. But despite condemning
the act, now that the guide zones are gone, the
final sentiment expressed is essentially good riddance.
Speaker 1: Wow. What a journey from this mysterious commission, this massive
monument with its cryptic.
Speaker 2: Rules, through decades of really dark interpretations about depopulation, eugenics,
world control.
Speaker 1: To unmasking the builder with these deeply troubling connections.
Speaker 2: And finally this violent end which itself raises a whole
new set of questions about the investigation or lack they're
all presented in the sources.
Speaker 1: The guidestones definitely forced a conversation, didn't they about humanity's
future population control belief?
Speaker 2: No question, they were a lightning rod for debate.
Speaker 1: So wrapping up our deep dive through these sources, here's
a final thought for you, the listener, to chew on.
What was the primary role of something like the Georgia Guidestones.
Were they meant as a serious warning, a dangerous blueprint,
or maybe just a weird reflection of some pretty unsettling
ideas already floating around in society
Speaker 2: And maybe more pressingly now, what does their destruction and
all the questions swirling around it tell us about the tensions,
the divisions, and the battles over ideas happening in our
world today.