1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Okay, picture this July sixth, twenty twenty two, about four 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,000 in the morning, dead quiet and Elberton, Georgia, right, and 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,880 then boom, an explosion. It rips through this huge granite monument, 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,960 something that had been standing there for what over forty years? 5 00:00:15,039 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, since nineteen eighty, the Georgia Guidestones exactly. 6 00:00:17,519 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: And this wasn't just you know, a stack of boulders. 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,079 It was polished, massive and carved with this really cryptic, 8 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:26,800 very controversial message for all of. 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: Humanity, super conversial. So the big questions are what was 10 00:00:30,039 --> 00:00:33,280 this thing? Yeah, what did it actually say? And who 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,960 on Earth builds something. 12 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: Like that only for someone else to blow it up 13 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:39,119 decades later. It's a fascinating story, it really is. 14 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to the deep dive today. We're digging into a 15 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,880 whole stack of sources on the Georgia guidestones. We're going 16 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,039 to unpack the mystery of how they were built. Look 17 00:00:48,119 --> 00:00:52,039 closely at those intriguing, sometimes kind of disturbing messages m HM, 18 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:54,640 trace the long hunt for the guy who commissioned them, 19 00:00:55,039 --> 00:00:58,240 and then get into the really strange circumstances around their 20 00:00:58,240 --> 00:00:59,719 destruction just recently. 21 00:01:00,159 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: Right. Our goal here, our mission for this deep dive 22 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:05,719 is to walk you through all those details. We want 23 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,879 to understand the different layers here, the meaning, the controversy, everything, 24 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,079 the source is present, and. 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: See what insights we can maybe pull from this really unique, 26 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,319 kind of weird piece of history in its message. 27 00:01:17,359 --> 00:01:21,239 Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into it. Part one, the monument itself. 28 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,480 How did this whole thing even start? 29 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,719 Speaker 2: Well, the story really kicks off back in June of 30 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:32,439 nineteen seventy nine. This very well dressed, articulate man shows 31 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:36,000 up in Elberton, Georgia. Now Elberton calls himself the granite 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:36,959 capital of the world. 33 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,079 Speaker 1: Makes sense to go there then, exactly. 34 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: He introduces himself using a pseudonym Robert C. Christian RC 35 00:01:43,439 --> 00:01:45,719 Christian RC Christian. Okay, and he goes straight to the 36 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:49,719 top to Joe Finley, president of the Elberton Granite Finishing Company, 37 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:53,599 with this well extraordinary request. He wants to build a monument, 38 00:01:53,719 --> 00:01:56,599 something huge, something on the scale of like Stonehenge. 39 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: Wow, and the sources mentioned he'd actually been to Stonehenge, right, 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,000 but it was missing something. 41 00:02:01,319 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. He was impressed, sure, but he felt it 42 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,400 lacked a clear message. His monument, this monument was going 43 00:02:09,439 --> 00:02:13,199 to speak loudly, yeah, to future generations. 44 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:15,879 Speaker 1: Okay, so not just big rocks. It had a purpose 45 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,039 from the start, a. 46 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,159 Speaker 2: Very specific purpose. RC Christian claimed he was representing a 47 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,000 quote small group of loyal Americans said they've been planning 48 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,479 this whole thing in secret for twenty years. 49 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: Twenty years. That's dedication or. 50 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: Something, right. And he came with incredibly detailed plans. Four 51 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:37,159 massive granite slabs, kind of like spokes on a wheel, 52 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,080 the central stone, big capstone on top. The whole thing. 53 00:02:40,159 --> 00:02:42,919 Foundation included nearly two hundred and forty thousand pounds. 54 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: That's hard to even picture. Sixteen feet tall. You say, 55 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,120 sixteen feet. 56 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 2: Tall, Yeah, just enormous, and like you said, not just 57 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,960 big rocks. The message was key. He specified ten guidelines 58 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,280 and they had to be inscribed in eight modern languages. 59 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:55,879 Speaker 1: Eight which ones let's see. 60 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,719 Speaker 2: English, Spanish, Russian, Chinese, Arabic, Hebrew, Hindi, and Swahili global reach. 61 00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:03,360 And that wasn't all. He also insisted on having parts 62 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:08,199 of the message in four dead languages, dead languages like Babylonian, Cuneiform, 63 00:03:08,599 --> 00:03:12,240 Egyptian hieroglyphics, Sanskrit, and classical Greek. 64 00:03:12,319 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: Okay, This guy wasn't messing around. He wanted this message 65 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,000 scene understood maybe across time and cultures. 66 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, But maybe the most fascinating part, the thing that 67 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:24,800 really hints at the deeper purpose, according to the sources, 68 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,080 were the astronomical requirements. 69 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: Ah yes, the alignments tell us about those. 70 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: He demanded incredible precision. The four big outer stones had 71 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,639 to be positioned to track the migration of the Moon 72 00:03:35,759 --> 00:03:39,280 through the year. Okay. Then a little hole drilled to 73 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,639 the center stone, angled just so so it always pointed 74 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,719 directly at the north star Polaris, no matter of the season. 75 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: Like a permanent gidepost exactly, and. 76 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,479 Speaker 2: A slot cut through the capstone lined up perfectly with 77 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:53,719 the sunrise on the solstices winter and summer, and it 78 00:03:53,759 --> 00:03:56,960 would mark noon on the equinoxes. Plus another hole straight 79 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,800 through the capstone, designed so a beam of sunlight would 80 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,000 hit the central pillar at noon each day, indicating the 81 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:03,680 day of the year. 82 00:04:03,919 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: So it wasn't just a monument. It was a clock, 83 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:12,039 a calendar, a compass, all rolled into one massive engineering challenge. 84 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: Huge precision work. And then Arci Christian adds this final 85 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:21,079 kind of chilling request to Joe Finley. The granite guy. 86 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:23,560 What was that He said the stones needed to be 87 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,120 built to a stand the end of the world. 88 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: Wow, okay, that definitely ups the NTY. What did Finley 89 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:31,199 think of all this? 90 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 2: Well, Finley's company mostly did things like statues, tombstones, you know, 91 00:04:36,079 --> 00:04:39,639 nothing like this. The sources say he initially thought Christian 92 00:04:39,759 --> 00:04:43,959 was well, a bit eccentric, maybe nuts, yeah, blame him. So. Reportedly, 93 00:04:44,199 --> 00:04:47,959 Finley quoted this ridiculously high price way more than usual, 94 00:04:48,319 --> 00:04:52,720 probably hoping to just scare Christian off, mentioned needing special equipment, consultants, 95 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:53,519 the works. 96 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: And did it work. 97 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,879 Speaker 2: Nope. Christian apparently just nodded calmly and asked how long 98 00:04:57,879 --> 00:04:58,360 it would take. 99 00:04:58,399 --> 00:04:59,639 Speaker 1: He wasn't phased at all. 100 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: Not a bit. Finley said maybe six months, maybe more, 101 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,519 but first he needed to prove Christian actually had the money, 102 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,839 serious money, which led Christian to ask Finley for a 103 00:05:08,879 --> 00:05:11,319 recommendation a trustworthy. 104 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: Local banker, and Finley sent him to. 105 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,759 Speaker 2: Wyatt Martin, president of the Granite City Bank. 106 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,439 Speaker 1: Finley might have even been slightly amused sending him over there. 107 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,279 And this is where the secrecy really locks in, right 108 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:21,720 with the banker exactly. 109 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 2: This is crucial. Martin tells Christian, look, I can't handle 110 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,680 these funds under a fake name. The account has to 111 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:30,720 be in your real name. 112 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: Makes sense, banking regulations and all that. 113 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: Right, Christian agrees, according to the sources, but only on 114 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,399 one condition. Martin had to swear he would never tell 115 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:43,800 anyone Christian's true identity ever or the names of the 116 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,240 group he supposedly represented a secret pact, and Wyatt Martin 117 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:51,199 kept that promise for thirty five years, the sources say, 118 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,000 right up until he died. 119 00:05:53,319 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: Incredible. So the money gets transferred, Christian buys the land. 120 00:05:57,399 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 2: Yep five acres, highest point in the county, specially chosen 121 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,800 so it could be seen from all around, and then 122 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,759 poof arci, Christian basically vanishes. Construction starts, but he never 123 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:07,399 comes back to. 124 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: The site, just disappears after setting this whole, massive, mysterious 125 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,480 project in motion, just like that. 126 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 2: The guidestones were eventually finished and unveiled publicly on March 127 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:17,319 twenty second, nineteen eighty. 128 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,319 Speaker 1: Which is the vernal equinox, right, fitting, very fitting, tying 129 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:22,959 into those astronomical features. 130 00:06:23,399 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 2: Hundreds of people showed up, media, locals, even the congressman. 131 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,959 It was a big deal. The structure itself was undeniably impressive, 132 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,680 sixteen feet high slabs huge capstone, and. 133 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: Over time it became this weird tourist attraction, drawing people 134 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:42,800 who were curious about the stones themselves, but maybe more 135 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,519 about the message carved into them. 136 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:46,439 Speaker 2: That's really the core of it, isn't it. The ten 137 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,639 rules sam blasted right onto the granite, sometimes called the 138 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:50,560 New Ten Commandments. 139 00:06:50,759 --> 00:06:52,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get into those. What did they actually say? 140 00:06:52,959 --> 00:06:55,639 Speaker 2: Okay? Here are the ten guidelines, straight from the stones. 141 00:06:55,959 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: Number one, maintain humanity under five hundred million in PA 142 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,439 actual balance with nature. 143 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 2: Two guide reproduction wisely improving fitness and diversity. 144 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: Three unite humanity with a living new language. 145 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,959 Speaker 2: Four rule passion, faith, tradition, and all things with tempered reason. 146 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,439 Speaker 1: Five Protect people in nations with fair laws and just courts. 147 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,839 Speaker 2: Six let all nations rule internally, resolving external disputes in 148 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:21,560 a world court. 149 00:07:21,839 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: Seven avoid petty laws and useless officials. 150 00:07:24,839 --> 00:07:27,639 Speaker 2: Eight balance personal rights with social duties. 151 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: Nine prize truth, beauty, love, seeking, harmony with the infinite. 152 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: And ten be not a cancer on the earth. Leave 153 00:07:37,199 --> 00:07:39,639 room for nature, Leave room for nature. 154 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,199 Speaker 1: Okay, So reading those, some of them sound, you know, 155 00:07:44,399 --> 00:07:49,279 pretty reasonable on the surface balance with nature, prize, truth, beauty, love, 156 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:53,519 fair laws, stuff most people might not along with. 157 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, at first glance, some seem quite positive, almost sage like, 158 00:07:57,639 --> 00:08:00,199 right like guiding principles for a better world. 159 00:08:00,279 --> 00:08:02,439 Speaker 1: But there's always a butt with this story. 160 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: There definitely is, because, as the sources we looked at 161 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,399 really emphasize, when you start digging a bit deeper, looking 162 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:10,399 at the implications, well that's when things get unsettling for 163 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:12,959 a lot of people. That's the root of all the controversy, right. 164 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: This is where the interpretations start flying, the ones that 165 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,759 fuel debate for decades, and the sources highlight one major 166 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,519 interpretation that these aren't friendly suggestions. They're instructions, a blueprint 167 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,079 for a quote new world order. 168 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:28,759 Speaker 2: Exactly, and within that view, the rules are seen as 169 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:34,519 calling for some pretty extreme things eugenics, massive depopulation, basically genocide, 170 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:35,799 and a one world government. 171 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: Now, the sources do note this is often called a 172 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,879 conspiracy theory, but they immediately follow up by saying the 173 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,519 rules themselves offer quote plenty of evidence for that interpretation. 174 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: Let's break that down, starting with rule number one, that's 175 00:08:49,159 --> 00:08:52,879 the big one. Maintain humanity under five hundred. 176 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:56,039 Speaker 1: Million under five hundred million. Okay. Current world population is 177 00:08:56,039 --> 00:08:57,519 pushing eight billion. 178 00:08:57,279 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: Right, so getting down to five hundred million that means 179 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:03,600 eliminating something like ninety four percent of all people on Earth. 180 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: That's horrifying, just unimaginable. 181 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 2: It's a staggering number. And the sources immediately start connecting 182 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,639 this idea to certain groups often mentioned in these kinds 183 00:09:12,639 --> 00:09:14,559 of discussions, like the Club of Rome. 184 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:15,639 Speaker 1: The Club of Rome, who are? 185 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: They describe to the sources as intellectuals, business leaders discussing 186 00:09:19,759 --> 00:09:23,240 global problems, but the sources stressed that its origins aren't 187 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,279 widely publicized. Allegedly started in nineteen sixty eight at a 188 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,440 secret meeting on Rockefeller's private estate. 189 00:09:29,639 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: Rockefeller again, okay, And this idea of population reduction wasn't 190 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,000 unique to the guidestones, according to the. 191 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,919 Speaker 2: Sources, apparently not. Just months after the guidestones went up 192 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,720 August nineteen eighty, the sources quote a Club of Rome member, 193 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,159 Howard Odom, saying the US needed to cut its population 194 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:47,919 by two thirds in fifty years. 195 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: Two thirds did he say how? 196 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,759 Speaker 2: The sources say he didn't specify how, but some interpretations 197 00:09:53,799 --> 00:09:57,080 involved things like well stopping breeding to cut the population 198 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,559 drastically in one generation. 199 00:09:59,039 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: Yikes. The sources also mentioned another group, right, the Builderberg. 200 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 2: Group, Yeah, formed back in fifty four. Publicly it was 201 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,159 about preventing war, but they're famous for their super secret meetings, 202 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,559 which fuels a lot of speculation. 203 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: And the theory presented in the sources. 204 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: The theory is that Dilderberg members think population growth is 205 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,000 out of control, unsustainable, and one alleged method they might 206 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:23,159 consider causing pandemics. 207 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, that's a huge claim. 208 00:10:25,799 --> 00:10:27,799 Speaker 2: It is. The sources go on to suggest that this 209 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,279 group tries to keep its planned secret, maybe by consolidating media, 210 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,919 using government censorship sup pressing opposing views. 211 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: Do the sources offer proof for that Builderberg connection. 212 00:10:38,039 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: They acknowledge that government pressure on media has happened, they 213 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:46,480 say examples involving Trump, Biden, Twitter, but they're clear that 214 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:52,000 a direct link proving Builderberg is specifically behind that censorship 215 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,919 hasn't been established. It's presented as part of the theory. 216 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,799 Speaker 1: But the connections get tighter, according to the sources. Yeah, 217 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:58,799 between these groups. 218 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. The sources claim the Club of Rome essentially writes 219 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,720 foreign policy for the Bildberg Group, and that the Club 220 00:11:04,759 --> 00:11:11,120 of Rome supposedly supports massive depopulation by any means necessary. 221 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: Any means necessary. That's ominous. And the sources bring up 222 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,799 World War II connections here, too, don't. 223 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: They They do. It's a point that sources make sure 224 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,840 to include. They highlight that the founder of the Builderberg Group, 225 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:24,159 Prince Bernard, was actually a Naziss officer at the start 226 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:25,960 of WWII. 227 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,399 Speaker 1: A Naziss officers. 228 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,279 Speaker 2: That's what the sources state. They do add he switched 229 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,840 sides later and fought for the Allies, but his initial 230 00:11:32,879 --> 00:11:36,399 Nazi affiliation is presented as you know, significant context within 231 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:37,240 this whole narrative. 232 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: Definitely a heavy connection to draw. Okay, let's move to 233 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:44,519 the second rule, guide reproduction wisely improving fitness and diversity. 234 00:11:44,639 --> 00:11:47,399 The sounds loaded, very loaded. 235 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,759 Speaker 2: The sources say this point straight at eugenics, and apparently 236 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,919 arc Christian himself wrote more about this. He wrote a 237 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:57,039 book yeah reportedly sent it to Congress in nineteen eighty 238 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,759 six called Common Sense Renewed. The source is analyze this 239 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:01,480 text and. 240 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: What did it say about guiding reproduction? 241 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:07,159 Speaker 2: According to the analysis and the sources, Christian argued for 242 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:12,080 urgent government population policies taking priority even over national defense. 243 00:12:12,639 --> 00:12:14,879 He believed the government should have a say and who has. 244 00:12:14,879 --> 00:12:17,279 Speaker 1: Kids, government deciding who breeds. 245 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,039 Speaker 2: Essentially yeah, emphasizing responsible parenting based on genetics and environment. 246 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,440 The stated goal, according to the sources reading his text, 247 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,519 was creating a generation that was slightly superior intellectually, physically. 248 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: Socially slightly superior. 249 00:12:30,799 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 2: His writings apparently pushed for single child families for dramatic improvements, 250 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,720 discouraging irresponsible childbearing with legal and social pressure. The sources 251 00:12:40,759 --> 00:12:44,879 say his text suggested only worthy people should reproduce, aiming 252 00:12:44,919 --> 00:12:47,159 for genetically superior children. 253 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,399 Speaker 1: That sounds exactly like eugenics. 254 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,639 Speaker 2: The sources flat out called eugenics. They say it's what 255 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,320 the Nazis did or tried to do, and note that 256 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,399 while it's usually considered a war crime. 257 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,639 Speaker 1: The sources add that chilling bit, Yeah, not a crime 258 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,600 in the new World order exactly. 259 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 2: And this thread eugenics and population control is linked back 260 00:13:06,639 --> 00:13:09,600 again to Rockefeller. In the sources, he founded something called 261 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,879 the Population Council in nineteen fifty four. 262 00:13:11,919 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: And its purpose, according to the sources, its stated. 263 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 2: Purpose as presented was funding research into birth control and 264 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:24,720 an early pregnancy termination, specifically targeting people with undesirable genetics. 265 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:27,879 Speaker 1: Undesirable genetics. Who decides that that's. 266 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: The terrifying question, isn't it. The sources even quote Rockefeller 267 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,759 worrying about modern society undermining natural selection leading to a 268 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,720 downward trend in genetic quality. He wanted an organization focused 269 00:13:40,759 --> 00:13:46,159 on reducing fertility among weaker individuals with undesirable genetics. 270 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: This is disturbing stuff. And the sources say this council is. 271 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,759 Speaker 2: Still active, very active, And there's a claim mentioned that 272 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:56,799 a member supported forced sterilization as recently as twenty twenty. 273 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,759 The sources also point out where the council works today, Asia, 274 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,120 Latin America, the. 275 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: Middle East, and the observation is. 276 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: North America and Europe aren't on that list. The focus 277 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,519 seems to be largely on non white populations. 278 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:08,759 Speaker 1: Yeh. 279 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,039 Speaker 2: And the biggest funder reportedly the US government. 280 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:15,039 Speaker 1: Wow. There's also a kind of paradox the sources touch 281 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,639 on right about population. 282 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. While you have these groups allegedly worried 283 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,759 about overpopulation, global public health efforts over the same decades 284 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:27,200 were dramatically increasing life expectancy, decreasing infant deaths worldwide. So 285 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,399 there's this tension. 286 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: Improving lives while simultaneously wanting fewer people. Okay, so we 287 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:38,240 have population control eugenics. What about the one world government idea? 288 00:14:38,279 --> 00:14:39,240 Where does that come from? 289 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,679 Speaker 2: And the rules mostly from Rules three and six. According 290 00:14:42,679 --> 00:14:43,639 to the sources. 291 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:48,799 Speaker 1: Analysis, Rule three unite humanity with a living new language, and. 292 00:14:48,759 --> 00:14:53,279 Speaker 2: Rule six let all nations rule internally, resolving external disputes 293 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,240 in a world court. 294 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,759 Speaker 1: A world court and a new language. 295 00:14:57,039 --> 00:15:00,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, interpreted by some, as the sources explain, as clear 296 00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:03,039 steps toward getting rid of nations as we know them 297 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,480 and setting up a single global authority, the New World Order. 298 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: And for religious people this triggered different alarms. 299 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:12,639 Speaker 2: It did. The sources mentioned. Local ministers saw this a 300 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:14,960 common language, a world government, and thought of the Book 301 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,080 of Revelation warnings about the Antichrist. 302 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: Which brings us to Rule four rule passion, faith, tradition, 303 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,679 and all things with tempered reason. That must have ruffled 304 00:15:23,759 --> 00:15:24,639 some feathers. 305 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,039 Speaker 2: Big time, especially for Christians. The sources say. Elevating tempered 306 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,000 reason above faith seemed like a direct challenge to the 307 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,519 first commandment, you know no other gods before me. 308 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: So these perceived anti faith messages had consequences at the 309 00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:39,120 site itself. 310 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: Apparently so, the sources report that the guidestones became a magnet. 311 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:48,039 Four well other kinds of activities, alleged satanic worship, witchcraft, 312 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:54,799 pagan rituals. Locals reported seeing strange lights, hearing chanting, melted candles, 313 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:57,080 even reports of animal sacrifices were found there. 314 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,679 Speaker 1: Just get stranger and stranger? Are there other theories? The 315 00:15:59,679 --> 00:16:01,080 source mentioned a few. 316 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: Others get a brief mention claims it was built on 317 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,120 sacred hopey land, tied to a hope prophecy theories about 318 00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:10,039 it sitting on late lines, these alleged energy lines connecting 319 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,919 places like the Pyramids, Stonehenge, the Great wall. 320 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:15,039 Speaker 1: Ah, the mystical energy grid idea. 321 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: Right, and connections to the Rosicrucians, that old mystical society. 322 00:16:18,399 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: Lots of layers, definitely, But for so long the biggest 323 00:16:21,679 --> 00:16:25,159 question mark hung over RC Christian himself. Who was this guy? 324 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,200 Wyatt Martin the banker held that secret? 325 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,399 Speaker 2: Type? He really did? For thirty five years apparently, they 326 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,240 supposedly wrote letters back and forth, Christian checking In Martin 327 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,559 got hounded by reporters everyone, but never cracked the truth 328 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,360 or what the sources present as the truth only really 329 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:46,960 surfaced after Martin died in late twenty twenty. 330 00:16:46,679 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: One, but Martin had dropped some hints over the years, 331 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,240 maybe unintentionally. 332 00:16:50,559 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: Seems like it. He'd confirmed Christian died sometime after two thousand, 333 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,600 that he had a daughter, did basic training in Georgia 334 00:16:57,639 --> 00:17:01,440 during WWII, gave her the Midwest, worked in construction at 335 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,480 some point, little breadcrumbs, and the. 336 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: Big break came during that documentary filming in two thousand 337 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,720 and five, Dark Clouds over Elberton. 338 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,839 Speaker 2: That was apparently the turning point. The film crew, sources say, 339 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,319 pressured Martin, who was quite ill by then, to show 340 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,559 them the letters from Christian. He was hesitant but agreed. 341 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,880 Tried to cover the return addresses. 342 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: But the camera call one. 343 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, the cameraman got a close up of a return address. 344 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,680 The sources note this was maybe ethically questionable taking advantage. 345 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:28,799 Speaker 1: Of them, but it yielded the clue. 346 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: It yielded the clue. Internet detectives, as the sources call them, 347 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,079 took that address and ran with it. 348 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: And who did they trace it back to? Who was 349 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,119 RC Christian? According to these sources. 350 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 2: Doctor Herbert Hinsey Kirsten, a surgeon reportedly from Fort Dodge, Iowa. 351 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,559 Speaker 1: Doctor Herbert Hinsey Kirsten does his life match the clues 352 00:17:47,559 --> 00:17:48,599 Martin dropped. 353 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: Pretty closely, according to the sources. First off, Kirsten is 354 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,039 an Old German form of Christian Ah. 355 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: Interesting. 356 00:17:54,799 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 2: His obituary, referenced in the sources says he died in 357 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,000 two thousand and five. That fits the after two thousand 358 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,640 clue he served in WWII. Another match. His oh bit 359 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,200 apparently described him as a conservationist, a naturalist involved in 360 00:18:08,319 --> 00:18:10,720 environmental and world population issues. 361 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: That lines up perfectly with the guidestone steams big time. 362 00:18:14,039 --> 00:18:16,599 Speaker 2: And he'd work construction younger in life. Another hit. 363 00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:19,039 Speaker 1: So the pieces seem to fit. But the sources point 364 00:18:19,079 --> 00:18:21,000 out a contradiction, don't they about his family? 365 00:18:21,079 --> 00:18:24,279 Speaker 2: They do. The man whose monument advocated for potentially limiting 366 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,839 humanity to five hundred million, maybe through things like one 367 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,119 child policies, reportedly had four children himself four children. 368 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: The sources flag that as potential hypocrisy. Right rules for 369 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,880 thee but not for me kind of thing exactly. 370 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,599 Speaker 2: That perceived hypocrisy comes up, And then the sources dig 371 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,680 into doctor Kirston's connections, and this is where it gets 372 00:18:43,759 --> 00:18:47,440 well even more disturbing. According to the material we reviewed. 373 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: Well, kind of connections. 374 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,759 Speaker 2: The sources mentioned he was friends with William Shockley. 375 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: Shockley, the Nobel Prize winner physics. 376 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,279 Speaker 2: That's the one, but the sources emphasize Shockley's other side. 377 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,559 He was apparently infamous for being a racist and a 378 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,160 huge opponent of eugenics. 379 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: Really, what were his views? 380 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 2: Detailed in the sources? Shockley believed less intelligent people were 381 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,079 having too many kids, lowering overall intelligence. He believed some 382 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,240 races were just inherently smarter than others. Awful stuff. 383 00:19:15,279 --> 00:19:18,279 Speaker 1: And doctor Kuston aka Arc Christian. 384 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 2: According to the source material, Kirsten reportedly shared similar eugenic views, 385 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,039 and maybe the most shocking claim presented in the sources, 386 00:19:25,599 --> 00:19:28,519 doctor Custon was apparently a supporter of David Duke to 387 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:29,519 the Duke. 388 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: The former KKK Grand Wizard. 389 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:34,039 Speaker 2: That's what the sources state. A supporter of David Duke. 390 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,079 Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, that casts the guidestones in an even darker light. 391 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and the sources acknowledge how serious and controversial these 392 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:46,839 lings are. Then reflecting a viewpoint within the source material itself, 393 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,680 the question is almost immediately posed, maybe it's not so 394 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,079 bad that somebody blew these things up. 395 00:19:52,079 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: Eh, that's a stark reaction presented in the source, basically 396 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,720 suggesting these connections might justify the destruction for some people. 397 00:19:58,839 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: It really captures the intent city of feeling around this, 398 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,000 which brings us finally to the end of the guidestones. 399 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,119 That explosion July sixth, twenty twenty two four am. 400 00:20:09,079 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: Surveillance video shows someone approaching placing something than The blast 401 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:17,240 destroys one whole monolith and a car speeds away. 402 00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:19,759 Speaker 2: Right and the aftermath is where the sources raise more questions. 403 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:21,400 Things they find strange. 404 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,559 Speaker 1: Like the cleanup exactly. 405 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 2: Heavy equipment comes in, removes the damage, monument cleans the 406 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,279 site within hours. The question post is why wasn't it 407 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:32,319 treated like a major crime scene for longer preserving evidence? 408 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: Good question, The ATF was there right, beer of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, 409 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,720 and explosives. 410 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 2: They were reportedly on site right away, But the sources 411 00:20:41,559 --> 00:20:44,759 question the lack of public information since then. What kind 412 00:20:44,799 --> 00:20:48,079 of explosive was it? What about the trigger? They point 413 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,440 to the quick removal of debris as highly unusual for an. 414 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,559 Speaker 1: Investigation, and the getaway car. 415 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,039 Speaker 2: Caught leaving the site on camera middle of the night. 416 00:20:56,319 --> 00:20:58,799 But apparently no footage of it further down the road, 417 00:20:58,880 --> 00:20:59,880 even in that remote area. 418 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,839 Speaker 1: Strange, So who would do it? What are the motivations 419 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,559 suggested in the sources. 420 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,599 Speaker 2: Could be strongly anti government, seeing the Stones as that 421 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,039 New World Order blueprint, or maybe just someone fed up 422 00:21:12,039 --> 00:21:13,559 with the perceived hypocrisy. 423 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: That hypocrisy angle. Again, the sources really emphasize that, don't they. 424 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: They do, highlighting people linked to population control ideas having 425 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:26,039 large families themselves Rockefeller with six kids, shockly with three, 426 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,519 kirsed in with four. 427 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: And the sources connect this to wealth and power too. 428 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. The perspective presented is that these figures often gained 429 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,839 wealth through the various systems of human growth in industry 430 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,160 they later seem to want to limit for others. 431 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: They also mentioned the climate change angle. 432 00:21:40,759 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: Right that many elites pushing for controls on cars energy 433 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:51,039 pollution historically benefited from things like oil like JD. Rockefeller's family, 434 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,839 or big manufacturing like Aurelio Pitchy, co founder of the 435 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,599 Club of Rome, who's tied to FIAT. 436 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: So the argument presented is to kind of do as 437 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,519 I say, not as I did on a grand scale. 438 00:22:01,559 --> 00:22:03,799 Speaker 2: That seems to be the core of the critique presented 439 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:07,720 in the sources. There's this idea that global problems could 440 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:11,200 be solved by everyone working together innovation, etc. But the 441 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,920 sources suggest these elites, maybe thinking they're genetically superior or 442 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,400 others aren't smart enough, opt for control. 443 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:20,839 Speaker 1: Instead, And it's plausible the sources suggest that whoever blew 444 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,759 up the guidestones knew about all this. The hypocrisy, the 445 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:25,519 controversial connections. 446 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: Very possible, maybe even likely, according to the sources. 447 00:22:28,079 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: How does the source speaker wrap up their feelings on 448 00:22:30,519 --> 00:22:31,119 the destruction. 449 00:22:31,279 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 2: It's really mixed. They explicitly condemn the bombing as vandalism, vigilantism, 450 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:40,319 say decisions about monuments should be democratic, involved voting. Hope 451 00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:44,000 the person responsible is caught and jailed. But despite condemning 452 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:46,359 the act, now that the guide zones are gone, the 453 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,839 final sentiment expressed is essentially good riddance. 454 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: Wow. What a journey from this mysterious commission, this massive 455 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,640 monument with its cryptic. 456 00:22:56,319 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 2: Rules, through decades of really dark interpretations about depopulation, eugenics, 457 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:02,920 world control. 458 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,319 Speaker 1: To unmasking the builder with these deeply troubling connections. 459 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: And finally this violent end which itself raises a whole 460 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:12,720 new set of questions about the investigation or lack they're 461 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:14,400 all presented in the sources. 462 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: The guidestones definitely forced a conversation, didn't they about humanity's 463 00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:21,119 future population control belief? 464 00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:23,519 Speaker 2: No question, they were a lightning rod for debate. 465 00:23:23,759 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: So wrapping up our deep dive through these sources, here's 466 00:23:26,759 --> 00:23:28,960 a final thought for you, the listener, to chew on. 467 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,759 What was the primary role of something like the Georgia Guidestones. 468 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,559 Were they meant as a serious warning, a dangerous blueprint, 469 00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:39,440 or maybe just a weird reflection of some pretty unsettling 470 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,440 ideas already floating around in society 471 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 2: And maybe more pressingly now, what does their destruction and 472 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,079 all the questions swirling around it tell us about the tensions, 473 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,160 the divisions, and the battles over ideas happening in our 474 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,720 world today.