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Speaker 1: And hello, how are you happy Wednesday? Yep, today's the

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second day of July, year of our Lord, twenty twenty five.

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My name is Tom Sullivan. And well we had it's

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courtroom day today. Apparently that's kind of the dominance of

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what happened in the world today. We've got the Brian

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Coberger pleading guilty to the murders of the four college

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students in Moscow, Idaho, actually two and a half years ago,

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and the Sean diddy Combe's trial. They went back and

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basically have wrapped up up all the business there. It's

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amazing how jury's seem to be more efficient on getting

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their decisions made as they're coming up on a holiday weekend. Yeah,

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they're people. They've they've got plans they want. They don't

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want to sit in the courtroom for they've already been

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there for a long time. Big case for women's sports

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coming out of you, Penn. The budget. The House is

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still debating it. The Senate passed it yesterday. Now the

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House has got it back there, going back and forth.

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We'll get you up to date on that. We've got

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a peak at the jobs report. It's all different. We've

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got the ADP Jobs Report came out today. The monthly

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jobs report normally first Friday the month, it's going to

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be released tomorrow because of the holiday on Friday. And

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we've got some tariff news to update you one. So

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let's let me get to the trials in a minute,

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because there's a lot to go over there. Let me

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start today. We'll just get the update on the House

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budget situation. There's nothing really different other than there's still

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bickering back and forth. The Yeah, the White House is

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supposed to meet with the House Freedom Coccus today. I

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don't know if they did. I presume they did. The

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head of the House Freedom Caucus is a guy by

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the name of Andy Harris, and he is a congressman

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from he's Republican from Maryland, and he's the head of

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the Freedom Caucus that is demanding that they don't spend

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so much.

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Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say. Well, we're down to

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an artificial deadline wire, no question about that. The bottom

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line as we could take another week to get this

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thing right. The Senate bill moved way far away from

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the House bill added about seven hundred and fifty billion

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dollars to an already large federal deficit and debt. You know,

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it did things like it has stripped away the blocking

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funding for transgender surgery from It's stripped away, you know,

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effectively stopping illegal aliens from getting medicaid. It scaled back

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the green new scam provisions from the House bill. We

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should take the time to get this right. I think

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there are enough people who say, you know, the House

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took a position, the Senate took a position. Now it's

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time to get somewhere between those two positions and send

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something to the President's desk. Well, the President's already indicated

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this may slip by a few days. I think again,

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our goal is to get this done by the middle

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of next week. I think it's easily done to get

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a compromise version between the two chambers, and I think

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that's important for the American people. Again, you know, adding

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seven hundred and fifty billion dollars to an already a

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large federal deficit and debt is probably not a good idea. Well, look,

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I mean, the Speaker says that this may be the

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best deal we can get. You know, I've just been

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around the legislative process long enough to know when two

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chambers disagree like this, you usually can compromise somewhere in

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the middle, and somewhere in the middle could save one

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hundreds of billions of dollars from the federal debt and deficit.

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I don't like negotiating with myself, but the bottom line

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is that usually these end up as a compromise between

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the two chambers. So yes, if we found another three four,

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five hundred billion dollars to apply to the deficit growth

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to stop it, then I think that would be a

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very reasonable thing to do, and I think that can

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be done. The bottom line is, the Senate pretty easily

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added seven hundred and fifty billion. I think we can

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whack a considerable percent of that out and associate hard

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work of banging out a negotiation between the House and

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the Senate. It can be done. It can be done

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in the next few days, but I don't think it's

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going to be done by July fourth.

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Speaker 1: So as we record this podcast today, they're still going

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back and forth, and like you heard from Andy Harris,

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it maybe next week. There was an interesting comment came

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out earlier today about Jeb Bush when he was governor

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of Florida. There's all this fight about medicaid and medicaid

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benefits and are there a lot of malingerers that are

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basically helking the system or is it going to hurt

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grandmas and babies. Well, Jeb Bush apparently was successful in

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reforming Medicaid in the state of Florida back in two

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thousand and five, and a lot of people threatened that

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they were going to vote against Jeb Bush because of

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the fact that he was trying to reform Medicaid. And

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what they found out, sorry, it's rather yeah, it's just

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raw politics. What they found out was the Medicaid recipient

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crowd or the crew that basically promotes for Medicaid. The

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people that get Medicaid apparently don't vote because nothing happened.

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Jeb Bush reformed Medicaid in Florida and it's been much

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better ever since it was costing the state too much

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money and now things are much much better. And apparently

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the political outcome was Medicaid recipients they don't vote, so

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the politician, I don't want to say they don't care.

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But kind of the issue about women's sports and about

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Title nine and about transgender male athletes or transgender athletes

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on women's teams got a big, big setback today the

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University of pennsylvani You, Penn, they're the ones that's where

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Leah Thomas was a swimmer and set all kinds of

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swimming records for you, Penn, well you. Penn today announced

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that they are erasing all of Leah Thomas's swimming records.

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Riley Gaines has something to say about it. Linda McMahon basically,

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the University of Pennsylvania said, not only are we racing

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Leah Thomas's swimming records, but we're also banning trans athletes

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from participating in women's sports. Here's Riley games.

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Speaker 3: I feel vindicated. I feel like pigs are flying. I

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feel like Hell has frozen over. So it is a

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fantastic day, of course for sanity, for common sense, but

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I think more broadly for women, for humanity.

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Speaker 1: Yes, of course she's thrilled and I am too good

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for you. Penn. Took him a while, but they finally

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got around to it, letting the McMahon, the Education secretary.

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Speaker 4: We are just very pleased with the outcome that we had.

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Today is an utter triumph for President Trump and for

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the administration, but mostly for the women and girls who

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will come behind the Riley Gains and the Paula Scanlons

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and others, and they've really laid the groundwork for them

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to be successful.

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Speaker 1: One of the other swimmers on the UPEN team women

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by the name of Paula Scanlon. She also chimed in,

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Speaker 5: Actually the letter that was sent out was the formal

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update on the policy. I'm hoping that we get a

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personalized individual email or letter or handwritten.

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Speaker 6: Letter in cursive.

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Speaker 5: I feel like that's what we deserve, so I will

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keep you guys posted on that. But we were given

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a blanket statement. What I did not like about this

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apology was that they just simply said, well, we were

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following the rules. To my question, title nine has always

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been what it is. How is it just changing the

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rules that men can magically be women for a couple

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of years and then went back to reality. I still

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they've been given no justification for that.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. She brought up the fact that a number of

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these transgender athletes switched to become a female from a

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male did their sports, and then she implied, you know,

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she said her directly, that they then went back to

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being men. So total abuse of the trans process and

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total abuse of women's sports in my humble opinion, you

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want to talk about Israel and the Palestinian movement because

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it comes up a couple different ways. One is President

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Trump is saying that there are ceasefire talks going to

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take place next week. Hamas says, well, we're not so sure.

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Israel says, yeah, we're on board for a knoughty day

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cease fire, so we'll see where that goes. But the

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other part about the Palestinian issue is rising its ugly

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head in the New York City mayor's race. The guy

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who won the Democrat primary, Zoran Man Danny. He that's

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his thing. He was the guy who started one of

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the most aggressive pro Palestinian movements on college campuses when

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he was a college kid. What wasn't that long ago.

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He's thirty three years old, and so he is very

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much pro Palestinian, and he won the New York City

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primary for Democrats, and he's being accused of being anti semi.

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So Harry Enton looked into the whole business about how

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Democrats feel about Israel versus the Palestinian pro Palestinian movement.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely true. I mean, look, Andrew during the primary

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attack Mandania as being insufficiently pro Israel. I'm not quite

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sure the former governor understood how much the politics have

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changed around this issue among Democrats. What are we talking

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about here, all right? Who Democrats sympathized more with Israelis

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or Palestinians. In twenty seventeen, the Democratic Party was a

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pro Israeli party. Look at this. They sympathized with the

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Israelis by thirteen points, more with the Israelis than the Palestines.

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But look at this sea change. Now Democrats sympathize one

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with the Palestinians by forty three points. Oh my god,

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that is a change in the margin of fifty six

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points over the course of just eight years. So all

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of a sudden, it's the pro Palestinian position that actually

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reigns supreme in democratic politics, not the Israeli position. And

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that is part of the reason why Mandani was able

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to do so well in this primary, because those attacks

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over Israel, simply put, did not ring true for Democrats.

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the Israelis. So you know, you see this, you see

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this among Democrats overall, right, But we know that Mandani's

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base was younger voters within the Democratic Party. And so

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Speaker 2: Down for you with younger Democrats.

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Speaker 7: Correct, So take a look here who age eighteen to

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forty nine Democrats sympathize more of the Israelis of the Palestinians. Again,

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in twenty seventeen, younger Democrats sympathize more with the Israelis

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by fourteen points. Look at this shift now Palestinians. They

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sympathized more at the Palestinians by fifty seven points. That

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is an over seventy point shift in the margin in

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just a matter of eight years. So the bottom line

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is Mandani's base within the Democratic Party and the base

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of the Democratic Party of younger voters. Younger Democrats have

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changed tremendously on this issue in eight years time. I

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rarely ever see shifts like this in which you see

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one side of the equation leading by fourteen points eight

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years ago, and then all of a sudden, the other

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side of the equation leading by fifty seven points. The

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bottom line is the politics around the Israelis and the

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Palestinians have shifted tremendously among Democrats, and they've shifted specifically

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tremendously among Democrats who are under the age of fifty

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younger Democrats from Mondani and he's based and also the

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base of Democratic Socialists like himself, like Bernie Sanders, like AOC.

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They have just shifted more so than I think that

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anyone could possibly have imagined, say eight years ago.

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Speaker 1: That amazing. I find it absolutely shocking. I've always thought

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that Democrats were supportive of Israel, but apparently within the

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Jewish community, younger Democrats are not pro Israel. They are

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pro Palestinian. And that is why AOC, who has very

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successful in her political career in New York City, it's

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another reason why this man Danny has been so successful,

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at least in his attempt to become the mayor of

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the City of New York. But it says something about Democrats.

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It says something about who was it the other day

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that was talking about the fact that Hamas used and

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Iran has two used public relations PR firms to basically

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get people on their side, and it looks like it's

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working for Democrats. Under the age of fifty, younger people

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are buying into whatever the PR pitch is is that

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Israel's bad and the Palestinians are good because it seems

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to be working, and it's working so far on this

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New York City mayor's race. I told you there's something

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going on here. It's much deeper than just oh he's

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just a communist and oh he doesn't know what he's doing. No,

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there's something. There's a movement among the people. And this

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isn't just a New York thing. There are younger people

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are tired of the old school politicians, and I don't

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even think they care about what they stand for. They

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just want to get rid of the old politicians. Some

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of us that have a few more birthdays under our bilt,

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we've talked endlessly about throw the bums out if they're

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an incumbent, vote for somebody else, but it never happens.

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And I can't help but wonder if this maybe is

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a sea change where younger voters are actually doing what

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 1: See I mean again the marriage race. It was a

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very small turnout and he was elected. Fifty six percent

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of the people that turned out voted for him. But

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the fact that the Democrat Party for under fifty are

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heavily pro Palestinian when they used to be having a

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decent group of them were pro Israel in the past,

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big sea change going on there. Tariffs. You want to

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talk to tariffs, of course, you do. The deadline for

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the temporary pause that Donald Trump put on the tariffs,

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he said, I'm going to go until I forget if

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it was sixty days or notty days. In any case,

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the date is next Wednesday, July ninth. That's when all

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of us is supposed to come to ahead. So the

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reporters are asking the President today about the whole idea

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of extending the deadline, and you know, I mean, he's

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mister negotiator, so he's never going to give you a

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straight answer in some of this stuff. But he said, nope, no,

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I'm not interested in extending the deadline. And oh, by

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the way, we seem to have a real problem with

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trying to reach any kind of agreement with Japan. And

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I don't know if you'd noticed, but Japan is one

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of our biggest trading partners in the world. China's number one,

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but Japan's I think number three. So the fact that

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we're not doing any deal with Japan anytime soon. And

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the President said he's thinking of putting a thirty or

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twenty five percent tariff on everything coming from Japan. So

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for those of you that are business people, small business,

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big business, whatever, and you buy things from Japan, brings

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up Toyota, brings up Nissan. Oh, by the way, so

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have you seen the Nissan ads lately on television? A

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typical ad. They've got a shiny automobile running down the

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street and going around some dirt road and doing all

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the typical Madison Avenue advertising of a new automobile. It's

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the Nissan, I don't know, SUVs something like that. There's

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a couple of models, and in prominent letters on the

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ad it says no tariffs involved, made in the USA.

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So I don't have a scorecard to keep track of

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all the foreign automakers that have moved to the United

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States and built manufacturing plants, mostly in the South. But

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apparently Nissan is one of them, and they're making it

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very clear that their cars, at least these models that

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they were advertising, there were two of them. I know

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they have many more models in that, but these two

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apparently are made in the USA and will not be

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subject to any tariffs. So they're already pitching that that

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was Nissan. Now I don't know Toyota, haven't seen anything

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from Toyota about that. And the other night I was

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watching sadly because the Yankees are not doing great lately.

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But the Yankees were up in Toronto playing the Toronto

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Blue Jays and they're at Rogers Stadium up in Toronto,

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big beautiful stadium, beautiful city. And it was interesting because

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they have these big the walls around by the field

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are all big electronic advertising billboards, if you will. And

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it was one company after another that they obviously paid

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to get their advertising on the walls in Roger Stadium

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in Toronto, and it was every single one of them

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was promoting made in Canada, Canadian company whatever. It was,

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a beer company, a shoe company. There were all kinds

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of varieties of companies and they were all making a

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huge point that this is a Canadian company and the

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products are made in Canada. I'm trying to remember. There

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was a oh yeah, it was they were advertising Heinz

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ketchup and I thought, Heinz, that's that's a Pennsylvania company.

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But they said, no, Heinz by Heinz Ketchup, that tomatoes

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are all grown in Canada. Now I doubt that they're

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grown for all of Heine's products everywhere in Canada, but

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they were making it clear that if you are in

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a grocery store in Canada and you want to get

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a bottle of ketchup, you better choose the Hindz Ketchup

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because the tomatoes that they made the ketchup with were

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all Canadian tomatoes. But it was it stood out because

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it was so in your face. Watching the baseball game

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and again sadly, now Toronto's always had a good team

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and they just yeah, Yankees are having trouble. But that's

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another whole story. So the tariffs, the deadline is next Wednesday.

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President said he's not going to extend. It doesn't look

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like Japan is going to sign a deal. He'll raise

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the tariffs on them to thirty or thirty five percent,

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and he said he's not going to extend the terriffs

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and it's for all the other countries in the world.

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I don't know what he's going to do, but basically

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keep an eye on out on next Wednesday. My bet

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is he will extend him he'll do something. It seems

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like he's looking for an off ramp. But that's just

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my humble observation. And jobs won't talk jobs jobs were

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today the ADP Jobs Report. It's a private sector jobs report.

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More times than not, they're fairly close to what the

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government numbers turn out to be a couple of days later,

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but they can be off. But this one was way off.

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The ADP Private Jobs Report or the month of June

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came out this morning and they were expecting one hundred

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and ten thousand jobs as an estimate of how many

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were created last month. Well it wasn't one hundred and

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ten thousand. They I'll gain one hundred and ten thousand.

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It was a loss of thirty three thousand, So it

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was a huge miss. They said that there were thirty

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three thousand private sector jobs that went out the door

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in the month of June. And the question that everybody's

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watching closely is everybody you know, we've been talking about

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the economists who have been predicting recessions now for a

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couple of years, and they've been predicting that the job

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market is going to slow down and it hasn't. So

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at this point, is this the beginning of a slowdown

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or is it just a hiccup. And it's important because

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the Fed has said that the job market's strength, the

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fact that it's been resilient has kept them from lowering

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interest rates. The other thing that they're saying, we talked

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briefly about this yesterday. The President keeps badgering Jay Powell,

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the chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. But again, it's

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a board. There's other members of the board. I think

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there's twelve, So if he wants to throw Palell out,

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there's still eleven others that are probably going to think

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exactly the same. But he Pal has made it clear

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that they were about ready to lower interest rates until

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Liberation Day came along, and when President Trump announced the tariffs,

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they sat on their hands at the FED said, wait

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a minute, we can't be lowering interest rates because tariffs

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are generally inflationary and we don't know yet what the

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impact will be because the pricing of products is still

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of inflationary. Prices are still kind of working their way

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into the beginning of the supply chain. So the more

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Donald Trump badgers the Fed to lower rates, they're not

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going to say it out loud, but I'll bet you

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they're going he keeps telling us to do it, we're

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probably not going to do it despite him. But in

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addition to that. In addition to that, the the fat

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is worried about tariffs, and we again still don't know

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what the impact of the tariffs will be. And with

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Donald Trump talking about next Wednesday and what he's going

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to do and what the race will be, nobody knows.

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So uncertainty does not live well on anybody's desk on

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Wall Street. By the way, the jobs report, the government

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job support usually the first Friday of the month. That

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would be this Friday, but Friday, this Friday is a holiday,

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so the government job support will be out at eight

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thirty Eastern tomorrow morning. We'll see if they match or

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come close to what the ADP report was that came

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out today. Under the trials, there's really well the Ditty

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trial Sean Ditty Combs. I've seen more lawyers basically raise

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their eyebrows on this because they think that the federal

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prosecutor in New York City overcharged Sean Ditty Combs. They

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put a rico charge in there, and the rico charge

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takes a lot more work to be able to explain,

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let alone convict on rico charge. It was designed for

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the mob. That's what the rico charge was originally about.

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It you have the godfather, and then you have the

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lieutenants and the captains and everybody else that answer to

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him and enforce all of the mob boss's rules. And

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in the Sean Ditty Comb's trial, there wasn't any lieutenants

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or captains. Sean Ditty Combs was the bad guy. He

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was the guy that was accused of doing all these

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terrible things. So did the rico charge even fit? And

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a lot of lawyers are saying no. So it makes

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you wonder about these prosecutors, especially a high profile trial.

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Why would you go in and try and prosecute for

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some difficult charge that doesn't really apply. So, out of

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the five counts against Combs, he was found not guilty

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on three of them and two of them he was

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found guilty on. Now, as we're recording this, the judge

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is trying to figure out. Combs says, fine, let me out.

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I'll see you on sentencing day, but I want out

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of this Metropolitan the detention center. And the judge says, well,

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let me look this over and i'll let you know.

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So we'll find out sometime this evening whether Sean Ditty

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Combs is back on the street or not. But two

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out of five charges and the big one the jury said, nope,

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you didn't prove that case. It does make you wonder

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about prosecutors. I don't know what makes them tick, but

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it would be a lot simpler just to go with

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a regular charge rather than doing these rico charges. It's

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the same thing. We never got to it. But remember

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what's her name? The DA in Fulton County, Georgia who

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went after President Trump and she charged him and his

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people under rico statutes and a lot of people thought

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at the time, what is she doing. That whole thing

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has gone away, But in the meantime, question about prosecutors

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is another whole story, and that brings us to Idaho.

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I told you I'm not fixated on it, but I've

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been following it ever since. The story out of the

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four college kids being stabbed to death in the middle

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of the night in this little college town in Moscow,

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Idaho made you wonder what was this all about? And

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that was back in November, like a week before Thanksgiving,

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November of two thy twenty two. Yep, it's been that long,

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and that's where you go. Are the wheels of justice broken?

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If it's taken this long to get a murder case.

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They arrested the guy, this Brian Coberger. They arrested him

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in December of twenty twenty two. It took him a

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few weeks to figure out who it was, and they've

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arrested him. But I'm going this is this is not

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right that they have not been able to bring this

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to a jury, bring it to a judge, even I mean,

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I know judges have been involved, but I mean, the process,

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the legal process is a is a terribly broken game.

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If the defense lawyers are basically been trying to keep

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him from going to trial because they knew that they

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had had a guy who was guilty, and he pleaded

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guilty to four counts of murder and one count of

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felony burglary to commit murder. So there's a written plea

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agreement that they brought to the judge today. The judge

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said that he heard of the change in the plea

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from not guilty to guilty. He heard about that yesterday

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Monday afternoon. Said I was ready to start a big,

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giant jury trial, and jury's selection was supposed to start

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in mid July, and they were looking at maybe ten

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thousand people that they were going to have to go

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through to find an impartial jury. So the burglary charge

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ten years fixed for that and a fifty thousand dollars

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fine plus restitution. How do you how do you even

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say restitution to the families of the four people that

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had their young daughters and son murder. You can't restore, restitution, restore,

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So that sentencing is going to come up in another

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July twenty third, they set a date for sentencing. But

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what it looks like is he's going to get life

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without the possibility of parole consecutively. In other words, he

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has to serve. There's four murder trials, four murder charges,

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guilty on all four, plus the fenerty burglary, so that's

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life times four that he has to weigh the right

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to appeal, that the court is not bound to the

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agreement and could change it at sentencing. Can't imagine the

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Judg's going to change anything. I was watching this today,

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and I forgive me it's a little out there, but

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I wonder as they were arguing, and the families were

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sitting in the courtroom, and the judge was there, and

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Coburger and his lawyers were there, and the prosecutor was there,

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and the prosecutor there. The families are just ripping him

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up one side and the other some of them are.

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But I kept I thought, I wonder if when you

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pass away, especially if you're murdered, can you look down

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on what's going on on the trial. Do they know?

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Do they care? Do they even care? Coburger sat. Coburger,

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who seems very nerdy, sat at the table with his

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He had three lawyers with him. He was very stoic.

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The judge would ask him a question, he would very

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loudly and quickly, very directly, say yes or no. And

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that was what didn't said nothing else, no answers. The

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families would like the answers. But I have to tell you,

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I know people wanted to have the trial, not let

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him plead guilty. But there was one lawyer who was

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talking about the fact that it probably wouldn't have changed anything.

478
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:40,839
That he's still if he's not going to tell the

479
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,039
dirty details now and in a trial, I don't care

480
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,319
if there's a jury there, whatever, he's not the details

481
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,400
he's probably not would not testify, and so you still

482
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,119
would not find out what he knows about why he

483
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,839
did it. That's the big question all of these cases here.

484
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:06,480
Donna Rotuno, she's a defense lawyer. This is what she

485
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,440
had to say about the fact that the families have

486
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,000
probably never ever ever find out what really happened to

487
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:16,519
their sons, their son and daughters. One of the victim's father,

488
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:20,200
Steve Gunkalvas, talked about the fact that he was basically

489
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,640
told to shut up and get along with the rest

490
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,279
of the program, that they were going to do the

491
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,119
guilty play, regardless of the fact that he did not

492
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:28,880
want that, he wanted a trial.

493
00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:34,119
Speaker 6: It's my daughter, it's our children. How can you how

494
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,319
can you say it's just when you haven't even talked

495
00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:39,960
to us. They told me it's not really about us,

496
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,440
it's about their process. To shut up and get on

497
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:47,839
board and deal with it. That's really what they told us.

498
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,920
IDAH Hosts failed. They failed me, They failed my whole family.

499
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,519
Speaker 1: The defense lawyer, a Donna Rotuno, was asked about whether

500
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or not they're ever going to really hear from Coburger

501
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,000
about what happened.

502
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:02,759
Speaker 9: I really don't think so, and I know that that's

503
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:06,200
an awful answer for the families of this horrific crime.

504
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,839
But I agree with Josh, those may be the only

505
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,000
words we ever hear him say are the ones he

506
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:14,599
spoke today, And unless the prosecutor is going to come

507
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,039
out and try to get into his mind about why

508
00:33:18,119 --> 00:33:21,440
he did something and explain it that way, I think

509
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,519
this plea may have been a good opportunity for them

510
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:28,200
to say we believe he acted in this manner because

511
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:30,720
but they didn't do that today. I really think that

512
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:32,960
part of the plea agreement and the way that they

513
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,920
did that today and the resuscitation of the facts is

514
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,079
really more about justifying why they did not go forward

515
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,200
with the death penalty rather than giving anyone any answers today.

516
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: Tell you one person who doesn't like anything about the

517
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,119
fact that this is a plea deal for guilty as

518
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,319
opposed to putting the guy through the grinder at the

519
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,880
trial is Nancy Grace. Here's what she had to say.

520
00:33:58,039 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 8: Technical legal term. It's bs. I'm a crime victim, and

521
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,599
a lot of what happened at my fiance's murder trial

522
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:09,079
is really blurry to me. I think I just I'm

523
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,159
not allowing myself to remember it because it was so painful.

524
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,199
But I do remember the felony prosecutor coming and speaking

525
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,960
to me and Keith's family before he went forward with

526
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:24,480
a trial or any potential sentencing, and spoke to us

527
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,800
and had agreement with us. Long story short, I feel

528
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,960
that the family was left out of the equation. I've

529
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,920
got the letter that they sent the family, a letter,

530
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,639
really a letter instead of a meeting. Listen, there is

531
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:44,320
DNA deoxuri, Boni klay acid on the murder weapons she

532
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:50,760
found under the dead body. What more do you really need?

533
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,239
I find this week sounds to me like somebody didn't

534
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,800
have the spine to take the case to trial. And

535
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,079
I agree with Gon solve us. Else would you take

536
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:03,840
the easy ray out. Yes, it's going to be a

537
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,400
long trial. It's going to be a battle start to finish,

538
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,400
and you don't know the outcome. You're rolling the dice.

539
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,800
But that's what trial work is. Man up, get in there,

540
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:17,400
do it. That's what they're paid to do. They have

541
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:21,719
an incredible treasure trove of evidence and all this business

542
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,400
about the family gets to look him at the eye

543
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,360
at sentencing, he probably won't even look at them. And

544
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,199
at sentencing they speak, he doesn't. We will never know

545
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:35,039
what really happened. We would learn that at trial, but

546
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:37,239
there's not going to be a trial. He will be

547
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,760
forever shrouded in the mystique like Ted Bundy and Rex

548
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,000
Hureman a BTK. You know what, you know what's gonna happen.

549
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,880
He's gonna take this deal. He's going to go to jail,

550
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:49,199
and then one day we're going to see him on

551
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,920
a zoom as some big symposium where he tells his side.

552
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:59,440
It's total there is. It's called the Fifth Amendment, right

553
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,280
to remain silent. Now, the state could have made it

554
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,800
a condition him speak, but boy, they didn't. He is

555
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,320
not allocuting and he doesn't have to that's right, and

556
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,639
they didn't. That's what I'm screaming here. It's not fair

557
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,920
to the victims' families. They're going away empty after this

558
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:22,199
without any answers. I know what happened to Keith. They

559
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,559
will never know what happened to their children. And let

560
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:27,559
me tell you one more thing. I thought I knew

561
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:30,239
all about grief in mourning when he was murdered. Until

562
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,400
I had the twins, I knew nothing. I cannot imagine

563
00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:37,079
what this families, these families are going through, and I

564
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:40,760
even feel guilty talking about it because we don't know

565
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,440
the suffering they've had. And now this there's a remote

566
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:47,199
chance the Feds could step in the way they did

567
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:50,239
with Luigi Mangioni and Rodney King. Do I think it's

568
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,360
gonna happen. It would not be double jeopardy, It would not.

569
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:58,960
Could it happen? Yes, because Coburger crossed state lines to

570
00:36:59,039 --> 00:36:59,400
do this.

571
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: So today at the plea the change of plea hearing

572
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:10,840
in Boise, Idaho, the prosecutor did go through all the details.

573
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:17,960
They talked about the evidence that they had that he

574
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:21,800
bought a knife and a sharpener on March of twenty

575
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,679
twenty two while he was living in Pennsylvania, so we

576
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:30,679
hadn't picked out his target yet. They talked about the

577
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:34,719
self tower connections. On July twenty second, they found him

578
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,840
driving around the area where these four victims lived. On

579
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:45,719
July ninth, they had Colberger's cell phone connected with the

580
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:51,440
cell towers twenty two times late at night. On August

581
00:37:51,519 --> 00:37:55,920
twenty second. This happened in November. Remember, so back in

582
00:37:56,079 --> 00:38:00,599
August twenty second of twenty twenty two, there was a

583
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:03,960
local police officer that made a traffic stop on Brian

584
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:07,079
Colberger at eleven o'clock at night, and that he was

585
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:11,920
in Moscow in the area of the victims' homes. November

586
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:16,719
thirteenth is when the crime took place. The prosecutor said

587
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,559
early morning hours. The phone his phone tracking left pull

588
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:26,599
the Pullman apartment where he lived. It turned off at

589
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:29,039
two point fifty four am. It turned back on at

590
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:35,280
four forty eight am. Remember, Colberger studied criminology, so he thought, ah,

591
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,920
I'll turn my phone off and they won't know that

592
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:39,880
my phone was here. At the scene of the crime.

593
00:38:43,679 --> 00:38:48,800
A camera traffic camera showed Colberger entering Moscow, Idaho, at

594
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,199
three two am. He circled the home at three point

595
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:57,280
thirty and at four five he finally parked behind the house.

596
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,440
He entered the kitchen sliding door, went to the third floor,

597
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,199
killed Madison and Kaylee. And then as he was leaving

598
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,639
and by the way, he left the k bar sheath

599
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:14,840
on the bed under one of the girl's bodies. He

600
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,840
didn't know it was lost yet. So he's got the

601
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:25,480
knife that had the single single source male DNA found

602
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:31,880
on the snap. He was leaving and Xanta Cardoodle. He Noodle,

603
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:38,519
one of the victims. She apparently was awake and encountered him.

604
00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:43,320
He killed her. She was found dead in her bedroom

605
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,880
and her boyfriend Ethan was sleeping in the bed and

606
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,960
that he was killed. They think he was killed while

607
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,119
he was in the bed. There was no sexual assault.

608
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,760
The two other roommates one woke up, looked out the door,

609
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,800
saw him leave the house out through the kitchen door.

610
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,239
At four to twenty am, surveillance cameras next door to

611
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,400
a building right next to the house where these kids

612
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,159
lived showed the car leaving at a very high rate

613
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:16,840
of speed, actually almost crashed as he was leaving the area,

614
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,280
drove the back roads. His phone came back on at

615
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,760
four forty eight am, located just south of Moscow, Idaho.

616
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,639
They tracked him back to Pullman, Washington. At five twenty

617
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:33,360
six am. A camera in Pullman, Washington showed him pulling

618
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:39,000
in to his apartment. Nine am. He returned to the

619
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:42,159
scene of the crime and then returned to his apartment,

620
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:46,599
cell phone tracking him the entire way. Then he took

621
00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:50,079
his selfie when he got back to his apartment with

622
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:56,679
the thumbs up. So this they tried to delete his

623
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,639
Amazon searches. He went to the DMV to change his

624
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:05,119
license plates on his car. The law enforcement was aware

625
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:07,719
of him. They located him in Pennsylvania. They did a

626
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:11,880
FBI did what's called a trash pull where they went

627
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,239
to the contents of the of the garbage can and

628
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,679
they found not only at his but the neighbor's garbage

629
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,039
where he was seen putting garbage into his neighbor's garbage can.

630
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:28,480
In that garbage was the DNA on a queue tip

631
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:32,679
of his father, and through genetic DNA, they said that

632
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,960
he's the father of the person who did the crime.

633
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,199
When they arrested him brought him back to Idaho, they

634
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,559
gave him a DNA test and it matched perfectly with

635
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:48,440
the knife and the father's DNA. They said the apartment

636
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:52,199
was spartan. There was no evidence in his apartment that

637
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:59,199
the car was meticulously cleaned inside. Again, he studied crime

638
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,480
scene scene, so it was it was an interesting hearing.

639
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,800
But that's it until the sentencing, which will be a

640
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,440
gag order stays in effect by the way the judge said,

641
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,960
until the sentencing that will be July twenty third at

642
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:20,639
nine am. So that's the Kohlberger case involving the murder

643
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:23,880
of the four college kids in Moscow, Idaho, two and

644
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,840
a half years ago. Why did it take that long

645
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,159
to get here? If they've got so much evidence. So

646
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,760
that's it for the news of the day as far

647
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:42,119
as Wall Street is concerned. We had so so on

648
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,280
most of the market. The Dow was down ten to

649
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,400
forty four thousand and four eighty four s and P

650
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:53,199
was up twenty nine. The Nasdaq up one hundred ninety.

651
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,920
I believe that's a new record for the Nasdaq. The

652
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,719
price of gold up eighteen dollars at thirty three sixty eight,

653
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,960
and oil went up two dollars today up to sixty

654
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,760
seven dollars in some change. So thank you for coming

655
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,000
by today, have yourself a wonderful rest of your day,

656
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:11,559
and we'll try this again tomorrow